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Short(-named) People

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We all have our niche obsessions, and Noel Basnight has one that’s really, really specific, even by Uni Watch standards. I’ll let him explain:

I have my own opinions about uniforms from all sports, but there was something about pro football jerseys that caught my eye back in my heavy ball-watching days: last names that contained only three letters.

I don’t know if it was how diminutive they seemed, how infrequently they appeared on the screen, or just their sound. Ker, Ard, Kab, Nix, Jax. Terrific!

So the Three-Letter Name team was born. As with any elite organization, there are ground rules for membership. These were established by me and are fluid enough to be broken at my whim:

• Member surnames cannot exceed three letters (gotta be pretty strict with that one).

• Player has to have appeared in a pro football uniform that actually had his name on its back. I believe this became mandatory in the NFL starting in 1970, following the merger, and the AFL used NOBs from the league’s inception. So, if a player retired before these benchmarks, too bad.

• Player has to have played at least three full seasons. Arbitrary but works for me.

• Player has to have been retired at least three full seasons.

These rules were devised in an attempt to give the roster some air of exclusivity while still allowing for enough participants to sustain the team’s existence. For example: There were several players surnamed “Lee.” Establishing the above-state membership criteria whittled the pool down to a more manageable number.

Although I didn’t realize it until Basnight got in touch with me, I’ve always been a little intrigued by three-letter NOBs, too. Back in the day, there was something about Billy Ard’s jersey that always seemed inexplicably fascinating, for example. I’ve never had a similar feeling about short NOBs in other sports, maybe because NFL nameplates usually stretch the full length from shoulder to shoulder, even if the NOB is really short (well, usually), which just accentuates the shortness of the name.

Working within his above-stated parameters, Basnight has come up with the following roster of charter team members: Billy Ard, John Alt, Bryan Cox, Fred Cox, Tom Day, Bob Dee, Ernest Dye, Tim Fox, William Gay (not to be confused with this William Gay), Ray Guy, Jack Ham, Garth Jax, Billy Joe, Vyto Kab, Clarence Kay, Crawford Ker, Wade Key, Ernie Koy, Amp Lee, Jacky Lee, Charley Leo, Mark May, Ray May, Ron Mix, Kent Nix, Blaine Nye, Jimmy Orr, Bobby Ply, Johnnie Poe, Darrol Ray, Terry Ray, Don Shy, Les Shy, Mel Tom, and Charles Way.

As you can see, rear-view photos of these players are relatively rare and often of less-than-stellar quality. If you find pics of any of them (game pics, please, not just a photo of a disembodied jersey), you know what to do. Thanks.

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Uni Watch News Ticker: Wade Boggs wants his number to be retired. … With Matt Holliday no longer on the A’s roster, Nomar is reclaiming No. 5. … Cole Jones has posted the latest entry in his North Stars uni-history project. … Reggie Granados found a web site devoted to Phillies fans with personalized jerseys and also reports that the Jonas Brothers were presented with 76ers jerseys last week. … While researching something else I found some pics of Redskins lineman Mark May wearing an unusual face-protection rig (here’s another view). Anyone know more about this? … Luke Pellegra sends this passage from a Tennessee football site (I’m printing the excerpt because the site requires registration): “[T]here will be some changes in the [Vols’] road uniform, as Tennessee is expected to wear orange pants on the road like they did a year ago at UCLA. Now, it’s not clear whether or not they will wear them at Alabama, because it has been thought that Tennessee will wear orange jerseys this year on the road in Tuscaloosa.” … Graham Henry, head coach of the All Blacks, appears to be wearing Adidas eyeglasses. ” What’s next,” asks Caleb Borchers, “logos on wedding rings? Dentures?” … Add Curt Schilling to the underbill inscription club. … Here’s a new one: David Cone appears to have worn real stirrups over faux stirrups. … Remember the fuss over Marcin Gortat’s tattoo? Here’s the inevitable fallout (with thanks to Chris Flinn). … New gridiron surface for Kansas. … Assuming the UFL ever actually gets off the ground, their uniform outfitter will be GameWear. Never heard of them? Me neither, but here they are. … I had passed this along to Phil, since it was a follow-up on something from last weekend, but then it showed up in yesterday’s comments, so here it is: The Indians wearing navy tops and red pants. Now we just need to find a color version. … Good spot by Matt Edwards, who noticed Troy Tulowitzki wearing a camo-bodied undershirt last night. … And so it has come to this: a soccer team sponsored by a soccer video game (meta-thanks to Alan Borock). … Reprinted from yesterday’s comments: Yesterday I posted this photo of Bret Saberhagen with his sleeve cuffs rolled up. That prompted Larry Wiederecht to note that the rolled-sleeve look was common in KC in the 1980s, as seen in these pics of Bo, the Bull, Mark Gubicza, and Frank White. … Awesome find by Louis Griffel, who came up with this rare “Tony C” shot of Tony Conigliaro. … Remember Brian Harkless, who entered the KFC T-shirt contest (his design was No. 6)? He won second place, entitling him to free KFC for a year. The first place winner, of course, got free KFC for a month. … No. 99, No. 1, same difference (good catch by Blain Fowler). … The Giants unveiled their Sue Burns memorial patch last night.

 

227 comments to Short(-named) People

  • Bryan(Albany) | July 28, 2009 at 9:05 am |

    I think you have the KFC prizes backwards.

  • Geeman | July 28, 2009 at 9:06 am |

    Gents — Great work on finding the Indians’ blue-on-red uniform. Wonder if there is any visual evidence of white on red? And what about that blue-on-blue? It seems the Indians were engaged in Pirate-like mix-and-match in the mid-1970s too.

  • John | July 28, 2009 at 9:07 am |

    Mark May has a basic broken nose guard. He obviously broke his nose and wore that as protection during the games. Has it pulled up on his forehead while on the sideline

  • Scott Davis | July 28, 2009 at 9:10 am |

    [quote comment=”342489″]I think you have the KFC prizes backwards.[/quote]

    Part of the punishment of getting second prize is that you have to eat the chicken for a year. First prize gets the benefit of only having to eat it for a month.

  • LI Phil | July 28, 2009 at 9:18 am |

    [quote comment=”342490″]Gents — Great work on finding the Indians’ blue-on-red uniform. Wonder if there is any visual evidence of white on red? And what about that blue-on-blue? It seems the Indians were engaged in Pirate-like mix-and-match in the mid-1970s too.[/quote]

    when i put out that call for ricko’s “memory” of the blue horsey all blue uniform, i got three or four emails from “devout” indians followers, some who’ve been following the team since the early 1960s. EVERY single one of them denies the team EVER wore blue over blue … and no one ever remembered seeing blue pants at any time … the white jersey over red pants was a possibility (though unlikely) and several said they remembered seeing blue pullovers over red bottoms … but NEVER ANY BLUE PANTS

    so, like the mythical bronco helmut, unless we get photographic evidence of an all blue uniform (or even blue pants) … this goes down as “never happened”

    *on another note, someone mentioned they saw george hendrick in an all blue get up, but no proof has ever been offered — i’m putting this one in the UW “cold case” files, but if anyone can find a picture of him (or anyone with blue pants, much less, a fullblown monochrome blue uniform, i’ll owe you a coke)

  • denis | July 28, 2009 at 9:18 am |

    http://www.gameweart...

    Pretty cool uniform design site

  • Scott Davis | July 28, 2009 at 9:22 am |

    [quote comment=”342494″]And so it has come to this: a soccer team sponsored by a soccer video game[/quote]

    Ten bucks says S.S. Lazio is going to be the most stacked team in the game.

  • JRJR | July 28, 2009 at 9:33 am |

    Rubberized suits? Who knew?

    http://www.nytimes.c...

  • Roger Faso | July 28, 2009 at 9:38 am |

    According to the Wade Boggs link, Rollie Fingers wore a Red Sox uni for 3 days. ?

    There has to be a pic of this.

  • Geeman | July 28, 2009 at 9:38 am |

    [quote comment=”342493″][quote comment=”342490″]Gents — Great work on finding the Indians’ blue-on-red uniform. Wonder if there is any visual evidence of white on red? And what about that blue-on-blue? It seems the Indians were engaged in Pirate-like mix-and-match in the mid-1970s too.[/quote]

    when i put out that call for ricko’s “memory” of the blue horsey all blue uniform, i got three or four emails from “devout” indians followers, some who’ve been following the team since the early 1960s. EVERY single one of them denies the team EVER wore blue over blue … and no one ever remembered seeing blue pants at any time … the white jersey over red pants was a possibility (though unlikely) and several said they remembered seeing blue pullovers over red bottoms … but NEVER ANY BLUE PANTS

    so, like the mythical bronco helmut, unless we get photographic evidence of an all blue uniform (or even blue pants) … this goes down as “never happened”

    *on another note, someone mentioned they saw george hendrick in an all blue get up, but no proof has ever been offered — i’m putting this one in the UW “cold case” files, but if anyone can find a picture of him (or anyone with blue pants, much less, a fullblown monochrome blue uniform, i’ll owe you a coke)[/quote]

    O.K. — next project for anyone with time to burn: Find the game at Shea in the summer of 1977 or 1978 when the Pirates wore all-pinstripes against the Mets, who also wore all-pinstripes. My only proof is the mental picture in my mind from watching it on TV and hearing my dad say how bad it was. Pretty sure it was a Friday night in June or July 1977 (maybe around the time of the Great Blackout?).

  • Jeff | July 28, 2009 at 9:41 am |

    New minor-league hockey team in Wisconsin: The Madison Ice Muskies.
    Check out the logo.

  • mmwatkin | July 28, 2009 at 9:53 am |

    Never knew that the Kansas football stadium was so small.

    Also, I have never liked the track around the football field. It puts the fans too far away from the action and makes a stadium look even smaller.

  • Geeman | July 28, 2009 at 9:56 am |

    [quote comment=”342497″]According to the Wade Boggs link, Rollie Fingers wore a Red Sox uni for 3 days. ?

    There has to be a pic of this.[/quote]

    Remember he was traded from the A’s, along with Joe Rudi and cash, in 1976 as the defending A.L. champion Red Sox were trying to catch up with the Yankees.

  • TD | July 28, 2009 at 9:58 am |

    Its not a football NOB, but I always think of Pirates catcher Ed Ott, who had (‘Edward’ aside) the shortest program-name ever,

  • leon | July 28, 2009 at 9:59 am |

    Re: The North Stars uni-history project. Why does the Dino Ciccarelli uniform include pants?

  • HIJKMNOP | July 28, 2009 at 10:02 am |

    [quote comment=”342502″]Its not a football NOB, but I always think of Pirates catcher Ed Ott, who had (‘Edward’ aside) the shortest program-name ever,[/quote]

    Sadahuro Oh would disagree.

  • u2-horn | July 28, 2009 at 10:09 am |

    hmm, 5 letters vs. 10…

  • u2-horn | July 28, 2009 at 10:11 am |

    what about 2-letter NOBs?

    http://cache.daylife...

  • Namhob | July 28, 2009 at 10:11 am |

    [quote comment=”342501″][quote comment=”342497″]According to the Wade Boggs link, Rollie Fingers wore a Red Sox uni for 3 days. ?

    There has to be a pic of this.[/quote]

    Remember he was traded from the A’s, along with Joe Rudi and cash, in 1976 as the defending A.L. champion Red Sox were trying to catch up with the Yankees.[/quote]
    If I’m not mistaken, Commish Bowie Kuhn did not allow the trade to take place. Apparently Vida Blue was also supposed to end up a Yankee.

  • Ferdinand Cesarano | July 28, 2009 at 10:13 am |

    On Garciaparra returning to no. 5: reminds me of when Rusty Staub, who orignally wore no. 4 with the Mets, re-claimed the no. 10 he had worn with Houston and Montreal after the Mets traded Duffy Dyer away.

    On the Indians’ uniforms: how is it possible to determine from that black-&-white photo whether the jersey and the pants are red or blue?

  • Bernard Shakey | July 28, 2009 at 10:14 am |

    Here’s some information regarding the game from which the navy over red Indians uniform photo has surfaced:

    The game was played on July 14, 1977. I did find a couple of interesting facts while Googling like a fool for an online image of the game. In that game, Yaz passed Ted Williams for the all time Red Sox hits mark. New York City went dark that evening and the Cubs/Mets doubleheader was cancelled – lots of newspapers took advantage of the irony that the only team without lights on their park had a road game(s) called due to darkness. Also, the White Sox had a promotion in which a disco dancing contest brought in about 5,000 fans more than normal to their game that evening, which prompted Mike Veeck to believe that an anti-disco night might be a good promotion in the future….

  • Mark in Shiga | July 28, 2009 at 10:16 am |

    Fans of short NOBs might want to check out the names on Japanese baseball jerseys — they use three different widths for the lettering! I’ve seen extra-thin letters in MLB for long-named players – the Mets used to use them for Darry Strawberry — but never extra-thick letters.

    In Japan, on the other hand, most teams have an extra-wide font for names of four letters or fewer. Sadaharu Oh looked like this as a Yomiuri Giant, but then when he managed the Hawks down in Fukuoka, they gave him a more normal-looking font.

    Today the Giants have toned that down a little, but it still stands out. They also use extra-wide spacing, something that MLB teams almost never do (though I have a vague memory of Scott Karl’s name being widely spaced when he was with the Brewers).

    The Hanshin Tigers give Wei-tzu Lin a tiny bit of extra space. Contrast this with how they did things in 1985, with amssive letters and spaces.

    With #106 Kase-san here, you get extra-wide spacing and a 3-digit jersey number!

    Here’s the Seibu Lions giving a fat font to 6-letter Mitsui but a regular font to 6-letter Ohnuma. (You can also see that their single-digit numbers are wider than the two-digit guys.)

    Are there any US professional teams that use separate number fonts depending on how many digits are in a player’s number? Many teams in Japan do it; it looks kind of funny.

  • HIJKMNOP | July 28, 2009 at 10:17 am |

    [quote comment=”342505″]hmm, 5 letters vs. 10…[/quote]

    Sorry.
    I think I understand now.

  • skott daltonic | July 28, 2009 at 10:17 am |

    my favorite 3 letter name – bob dee from the patriots. 60s version. i’ll try to hunt down a pic.

  • flip | July 28, 2009 at 10:19 am |

    [quote comment=”342500″]Never knew that the Kansas football stadium was so small.

    Also, I have never liked the track around the football field. It puts the fans too far away from the action and makes a stadium look even smaller.[/quote]

    They had to replace the field to get the endzones in Trajen????

  • aflfan | July 28, 2009 at 10:21 am |

    [quote comment=”342506″]what about 2-letter NOBs?

    http://cache.daylife...

    I was just gonna mention Fu-Te Ni.

  • Geeman | July 28, 2009 at 10:23 am |

    [quote comment=”342507″][quote comment=”342501″][quote comment=”342497″]According to the Wade Boggs link, Rollie Fingers wore a Red Sox uni for 3 days. ?

    There has to be a pic of this.[/quote]

    Remember he was traded from the A’s, along with Joe Rudi and cash, in 1976 as the defending A.L. champion Red Sox were trying to catch up with the Yankees.[/quote]
    If I’m not mistaken, Commish Bowie Kuhn did not allow the trade to take place. Apparently Vida Blue was also supposed to end up a Yankee.[/quote]

    Correct. Fingers, Rudi, and Blue remained with the A’s, who finished second in the A.L. West that year, and then the whole A’s team, or just about, left in the first real wave of free agents at the end of the season. Reggie Jackson, who had been traded from the A’s to Baltimore earlier that year, was one of those free agents and ended up signing with the Yankees for 1977.

    If the Red Sox had claimed Fingers and Rudi, they MAY have caught the Yanks, though it would have been tough if the Yanks had Vida Blue.

  • HIJKMNOP | July 28, 2009 at 10:24 am |

    my favorite 3 letter name – bob dee from the patriots. 60s version.

    A charter member!

  • Geeman | July 28, 2009 at 10:25 am |

    [quote comment=”342509″]Here’s some information regarding the game from which the navy over red Indians uniform photo has surfaced:

    The game was played on July 14, 1977. I did find a couple of interesting facts while Googling like a fool for an online image of the game. In that game, Yaz passed Ted Williams for the all time Red Sox hits mark. New York City went dark that evening and the Cubs/Mets doubleheader was cancelled – lots of newspapers took advantage of the irony that the only team without lights on their park had a road game(s) called due to darkness. Also, the White Sox had a promotion in which a disco dancing contest brought in about 5,000 fans more than normal to their game that evening, which prompted Mike Veeck to believe that an anti-disco night might be a good promotion in the future….[/quote]

    Good stuff. Funny, but I think the Mets-Pirates game that weekend (July 15) was the all-pinstripe affair, though I rely only on a hazy memory.

  • Mark in Shiga | July 28, 2009 at 10:29 am |

    [quote comment=”342514″][quote comment=”342506″]what about 2-letter NOBs?

    http://cache.daylife...

    I was just gonna mention Fu-Te Ni.[/quote]

    OK, I’ll mention Chin-lung Hu.

  • jc | July 28, 2009 at 10:32 am |

    if i’m not mistaken, didn’t fisk re-sign with the bosox on a one-day contract before he retired so he could have his number retired as per team rules?

  • Steve | July 28, 2009 at 10:34 am |

    This isn’t quite three-letter NOB related, but, in the same ballpark. In the mid to late 90’s, these five guys were all in the NHL: Trent Klatt, Ken Klee, Robert Kron, Jon Klemm, and Uwe Krupp. Their careers spanned before and after that time, but, for a few years there they were all regular NHLers.

    How cool would it have been if Klatt, Klee, Klem, Kron, and Krupp were all on the same team? Three of them were defensemen – slide one up to LW and you could have Klatt-Klee-Klemm-Kron-Krupp on the ice at the same time. Now that’s badass.

  • mtjaws | July 28, 2009 at 10:39 am |

    I don’t know if Adidas had eyeglasses before them, but Nike has had them for many years now. They’re actually quite nice.

    http://www.nike.com/...

  • Ricko | July 28, 2009 at 10:40 am |

    [quote comment=”342493″][quote comment=”342490″]Gents — Great work on finding the Indians’ blue-on-red uniform. Wonder if there is any visual evidence of white on red? And what about that blue-on-blue? It seems the Indians were engaged in Pirate-like mix-and-match in the mid-1970s too.[/quote]

    when i put out that call for ricko’s “memory” of the blue horsey all blue uniform, i got three or four emails from “devout” indians followers, some who’ve been following the team since the early 1960s. EVERY single one of them denies the team EVER wore blue over blue … and no one ever remembered seeing blue pants at any time … the white jersey over red pants was a possibility (though unlikely) and several said they remembered seeing blue pullovers over red bottoms … but NEVER ANY BLUE PANTS

    so, like the mythical bronco helmut, unless we get photographic evidence of an all blue uniform (or even blue pants) … this goes down as “never happened”

    *on another note, someone mentioned they saw george hendrick in an all blue get up, but no proof has ever been offered — i’m putting this one in the UW “cold case” files, but if anyone can find a picture of him (or anyone with blue pants, much less, a fullblown monochrome blue uniform, i’ll owe you a coke)[/quote]

    I doubt the Indians ever wore navy pants in a regular season game, so I’m not jousting with devoted Indians followers. I remember when I saw Hendrick (apparently it was him) I figured the pants were an “All-Star Special” like Vida Blue’s all-gold look (not the previous sleeveless variety) about the same time. I know the A’s wore all-KELLY during the season at least once (photo is in Ricko Files, Vol.1, I think, and I also sent it to Phil again last weekend), but I don’t know that the gold sansabelt pants ever appeared anywhere but the ASG. I’ve always figured the same probably was the case with the Indians’ navy britches.

    I suppose we need to get hold of the video of whatever ASG that was that someone saw on MLB Network. Until then, we have only my reaction of a double-take (Whoa, navy pants!!!) while watching the ASG, or its highlights (I was playing softball almost every weeknight back then, so likely may not have seen the game live). Wanna say he was wearing red stirrups and red cleats, too…which was the Indians look at the time…but can’t be sure.

    —Ricko

  • Jeremy Brahm | July 28, 2009 at 10:42 am |

    Guys how could we forget YI?

    http://english.china...

    Sadly, the Korean, Chinese and Taiwanese teams in the WBO all went initials with last name, so there were more letters on the back of the uniform.

    Mark in Shiga, I have always wondered if the equipment guys for the NPB teams just have these different sized letters just laying around or do they have to get them printed on a special machine (that they own)?

    Tsuyoshi Shimoyanagi (who pitched with the Mets) and Yuuta Shimoshikiryoh (Chiba doesn’t put the last H) are the longest names I’ve ever seen in Japan for a native.

    Shimoyanagi
    http://tigers-is-no1...

    Shimoshikiryoh
    http://blog-imgs-30....

  • LI Phil | July 28, 2009 at 10:45 am |

    all green A’s (whoa) — lets keep that one in the closet

    all yellow vida — not so bad

  • anotherguy | July 28, 2009 at 10:45 am |

    [quote comment=”342500″]Never knew that the Kansas football stadium was so small.
    [quote]
    Mark Mangino thinks the stadium is very small.

  • Ricko | July 28, 2009 at 10:45 am |

    Doyle Nix played DB for the Dallas Texans in ’61.
    Must have had NOB.
    Finding a photo might be a real chore, though.

    —Ricko

  • Robert Eden (formerly Robert in Dallas) | July 28, 2009 at 10:46 am |

    What about Bob Lee? He meets all of the criteria, right?

    https://www.beckett....

  • Grundy | July 28, 2009 at 10:47 am |

    Doesn’t anyone else think that it’s odd that the UFL is supposed to start in a few months and they don’t have team names, uniforms, a schedule or even any players? They have recognizable coaches and JP Lossman, but that’s about it. Something doesn’t add up here.

  • mike 2 | July 28, 2009 at 10:47 am |

    Not a football player obviously, but I remember Ed Kea playing for the Atlanta Flames when I was a kid and thinking about his very short name (first and last).

    http://www.legendsof...

    Until I just went and looked it up, I had no idea his career and life had been cut so short.

  • Squiddie | July 28, 2009 at 10:48 am |

    [quote comment=”342499″]New minor-league hockey team in Wisconsin: The Madison Ice Muskies.
    Check out the logo.
    [/quote]
    My first reaction was they were basing their logo on the old Madison Muskies minor league baseball team, but really they aren’t that similar. I guess there are only so many things you can do with an angry fish logo.

  • Ricko | July 28, 2009 at 10:49 am |

    [quote comment=”342524″]all green A’s (whoa) — lets keep that one in the closet

    all yellow vida — not so bad[/quote]

    LOL. I have a pair of those gold pants. Not from A’s, just off the rack, but identical. I think I wore ’em for softball only once. In the late ’70s, it was.

    —Ricko

  • Andy11 | July 28, 2009 at 10:50 am |

    [quote comment=”342524″]all green A’s (whoa) — lets keep that one in the closet

    all yellow vida — not so bad[/quote]

    That green uni looks like a pajama set a kid would wear. Could be partly due to the elastic waist band and pullover jersey top. It probably wouldn’t look quite as pajama-like if the pants had a belt and the jersey had buttons.

  • LI Phil | July 28, 2009 at 10:52 am |

    [quote comment=”342531″][quote comment=”342524″]all green A’s (whoa) — lets keep that one in the closet

    all yellow vida — not so bad[/quote]

    LOL. I have a pair of those gold pants. Not from A’s, just off the rack, but identical. I think I wore ’em for softball only once. In the late ’70s, it was.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    these pants?

  • marc | July 28, 2009 at 10:55 am |

    [quote comment=”342493″]And what about that blue-on-blue? It seems the Indians were engaged in Pirate-like mix-and-match in the mid-1970s too.[/quote]

    put me down as another long-time tribe fan who has never seen blue pants. red over red yes, red over white yes, blue over white yes… never blue over blue. that being said, however, if i’d not seen visual evidence (even tho it’s b/w, you can still tell) of blue over red, i wouldn’t have believed it.

  • Andy11 | July 28, 2009 at 11:04 am |

    In that shot of “Tony C” ( http://farm4.static....), what’s the deal with Johnson sitting on a bat like that? That can’t be comfortable.

  • Ricko | July 28, 2009 at 11:05 am |

    [quote comment=”342533″][quote comment=”342531″][quote comment=”342524″]all green A’s (whoa) — lets keep that one in the closet

    all yellow vida — not so bad[/quote]

    LOL. I have a pair of those gold pants. Not from A’s, just off the rack, but identical. I think I wore ’em for softball only once. In the late ’70s, it was.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    these pants?[/quote]

    Nah, those are belted with a maroon stripe.
    I meant these…
    http://farm3.static....
    …EXACTLY these.

  • HIJKMNOP | July 28, 2009 at 11:05 am |

    [quote comment=”342527″]What about Bob Lee? He meets all of the criteria, right?

    The committee was torn on this one. Mr. Lee was primarily a backup QB, but did have a few moments. He was also a punter, but the members felt that there was room for only one and that would have to be Ray Guy. Mr. Lee’s acceptance will be considered again next year and we will be influenced no doubt by the clamor that may arise over his omission. Your mention of him has been duly noted.
    :)

  • Ricko | July 28, 2009 at 11:07 am |

    [quote comment=”342532″][quote comment=”342524″]all green A’s (whoa) — lets keep that one in the closet

    all yellow vida — not so bad[/quote]

    That green uni looks like a pajama set a kid would wear. Could be partly due to the elastic waist band and pullover jersey top. It probably wouldn’t look quite as pajama-like if the pants had a belt and the jersey had buttons.[/quote]

    Can tell they didn’t wear them often, too. Notice in bottom photo nobody’s pantlegs are tapered (which was everybody’s look back then). Those were pulled out of the box and distributed to the players without much advance planning.

  • Ricko | July 28, 2009 at 11:12 am |

    [quote comment=”342537″][quote comment=”342527″]What about Bob Lee? He meets all of the criteria, right?

    The committee was torn on this one. Mr. Lee was primarily a backup QB, but did have a few moments. He was also a punter, but the members felt that there was room for only one and that would have to be Ray Guy. Mr. Lee’s acceptance will be considered again next year and we will be influenced no doubt by the clamor that may arise over his omission. Your mention of him has been duly noted.
    :)[/quote]

    Yes, but he was O.J. Simpson’s QB at City College of San Francisco before they moved on to bigger and better things! Lee went to University of Pacific; Simpson to Court TV…or something like that.

  • Mike Miller | July 28, 2009 at 11:12 am |

    [quote comment=”342528″]Doesn’t anyone else think that it’s odd that the UFL is supposed to start in a few months and they don’t have team names, uniforms, a schedule or even any players? They have recognizable coaches and JP Lossman, but that’s about it. Something doesn’t add up here.[/quote]

    Team names and uniforms, yes. Players, not really. This will be a league full of NFL training camp cuts, so I wouldn’t expect anything player wise until about the final NFL preseason game.

  • Ricko | July 28, 2009 at 11:15 am |

    UCWFL (United Cleared Waivers Football League) ?

  • HIJKMNOP | July 28, 2009 at 11:15 am |

    [quote comment=”342526″]Doyle Nix played DB for the Dallas Texans in ’61.
    Must have had NOB.
    Finding a photo might be a real chore, though.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Ricko, the committee suspected that you would probably present them with a name that was given consideration but eventually rejected for charter membership. It is a technicality, but Nix did not play 3 full seasons with a NOB. Further, in only 2 of his 5 pro seasons did he play in every game. This being said, he will not be removed from future consideration, especially if a photgraphic provenance can be discovered.
    :)

  • Ricko | July 28, 2009 at 11:16 am |

    Quote we can expect…
    “I still got some football left in me.”

  • anotherguy | July 28, 2009 at 11:20 am |

    [quote comment=”342535″]“[T]here will be some changes in the [Vols’] road uniform, as Tennessee is expected to wear orange pants on the road like they did a year ago at UCLA. [/quote]
    Who else remembers “Winston tastes good like as a cigarette should”? :-))

  • anotherguy | July 28, 2009 at 11:21 am |

    [quote comment=”342543″]”I still got some football left in me.”[/quote]
    Sounds like a personal problem.

  • Ricko | July 28, 2009 at 11:21 am |

    [quote comment=”342542″][quote comment=”342526″]Doyle Nix played DB for the Dallas Texans in ’61.
    Must have had NOB.
    Finding a photo might be a real chore, though.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Ricko, the committee suspected that you would probably present them with a name that was given consideration but eventually rejected for charter membership. It is a technicality, but Nix did not play 3 full seasons with a NOB. Further, in only 2 of his 5 pro seasons did he play in every game. This being said, he will not be removed from future consideration, especially if a photgraphic provenance can be discovered.
    :)[/quote]

    Grandfather Rule! Grandfather Rule! His last two years were ’60 and ’61. Most of his illustrious, um…career was prior to that time, when the only name a player got was magic-marker-on-training-tape across the front of his helmet in training camp. Maybe.

    (NOTE: If you ever try that coaching kids football and they have white helmets…write the name on the tape first. The marker kinda, sorta, soaks right through the tape and kinda sorta writes the name directly on the helmet and it takes a while to disappear…if ever. Grumble, grumble. Trust me, first-hand experience. LOL)

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | July 28, 2009 at 11:22 am |

    [quote comment=”342545″][quote comment=”342543″]”I still got some football left in me.”[/quote]
    Sounds like a personal problem.[/quote]

    That also may be a UFL quote we hear.

  • Big Al | July 28, 2009 at 11:23 am |

    As a Yankee, Tartabull would roll his sleeves up while exposing the sleeves of his solid midnight blue (channeling Michael Kay there, sorry) t-shirt underneath.

    I’m not afraid to admit that I borrowed that look for my final season in high school.

  • anotherguy | July 28, 2009 at 11:23 am |

    [quote comment=”342542″]…especially if a photgraphic provenance can be discovered…[/quote]When did this blog turn into “Uni Roadshow”??

  • anotherguy | July 28, 2009 at 11:25 am |

    [quote comment=”342547″]That also may be a UFL quote we hear.[/quote]Yeah, well let him do that. It will make me specifically dislike the UFL (as opposed to my current status of not even knowing who the hell they are).

  • anotherguy | July 28, 2009 at 11:26 am |

    [quote comment=”342546]Grandfather Rule! Grandfather Rule!

    —Ricko[/quote]
    It’s too easy. I refuse to even think about posting anything in response to a Ricko message containing the word “grandfather”.

  • JIMC | July 28, 2009 at 11:27 am |

    Houston Astros C Ivan Rodriguez was wearing #77 last nite. I don’t have a screen grab. Cubs ‘caster Kasper said he wanted #7, but, it was Biggio’s.

  • Berto | July 28, 2009 at 11:27 am |

    [quote comment=”342497″]According to the Wade Boggs link, Rollie Fingers wore a Red Sox uni for 3 days. ?

    There has to be a pic of this.[/quote]

    I might. I’ll have to wait til I get home to check.

  • leon | July 28, 2009 at 11:29 am |

    [/quote]
    Who else remembers “Winston tastes good like as a cigarette should”? :-))[/quote]

    I do!

    In informal contexts, “like” often sounds more natural than “as if,” especially with verbs involving perception, like “look,” “feel,” “sound,” “seem,” or “taste”: “It looks like it’s getting ready to rain” or “It feels like spring.”

    :)

  • Brian | July 28, 2009 at 11:29 am |

    Something that caught my attention while watching SportsCenter this morning. They were talking about LaRoche since he was traded to Boston, but they said that his batting average was such-and-such “since becoming a Red Sox.”

    That can’t be correct. I’ve heard a couple times a single Boston player referred to as a “Red Sock.” What is the proper singular form of a player who plays for either the Red Sox or White Sox?

  • JIMC | July 28, 2009 at 11:29 am |

    Did anyone else see the StL-LAD 1b(3b?) ump wearing a sun visor last nite? – Pretty sure I saw it on ESPN hilites – (I don’t have a screengrab)..

    Is this a first or since when have they been doing this?

  • HIJKMNOP | July 28, 2009 at 11:33 am |

    Grandfather Rule! Grandfather Rule! His last two years were ‘60 and ‘61.

    Alas, he was still nixed.

    :)

  • Berto | July 28, 2009 at 11:34 am |

    [quote comment=”342502″]Its not a football NOB, but I always think of Pirates catcher Ed Ott, who had (‘Edward’ aside) the shortest program-name ever,[/quote]

    How about Sadahru Oh? (Sadaharu aside)

  • anotherguy | July 28, 2009 at 11:34 am |

    [quote comment=”342554″]
    I do!

    In informal contexts, “like” often sounds more natural than “as if,” especially with verbs involving perception, like “look,” “feel,” “sound,” “seem,” or “taste”: “It looks like it’s getting ready to rain” or “It feels like spring.”[/quote]
    For me, this was one of the early examples of turning a negative into a positive in advertising.

    I guess Volkswagen did it even earlier than that, but I don’t have personal knowledge.

  • Ricko | July 28, 2009 at 11:36 am |

    [quote comment=”342557″]Grandfather Rule! Grandfather Rule! His last two years were ‘60 and ‘61.

    Alas, he was still nixed.

    :)[/quote]

    Oh…oh…kay (digs toe in dirt). He was the first one that came to mind, that’s all. Thought he played later (and more) than he did.

    Shucks.

  • anotherguy | July 28, 2009 at 11:36 am |

    [quote comment=”342555″]What is the proper singular form of a player who plays for either the Red Sox or White Sox?[/quote]I’m open to suggestions.

    How about “since becoming a member of the White Sox” or “since joining the White Sox”?

    That sounds slightly more natural.

  • aflfan | July 28, 2009 at 11:38 am |

    [quote comment=”342525″][quote comment=”342500″]Never knew that the Kansas football stadium was so small.
    [quote]
    Mark Mangino thinks the stadium is very small.[/quote]

    Compared to Mangino, the universe is small

  • Ferdinand Cesarano | July 28, 2009 at 11:42 am |

    Sorry to be a noodge, but I am wondering how it can be determined from that black-&-white photo whether the Indians’ jersey and pants are red or blue.

  • HIJKMNOP | July 28, 2009 at 11:43 am |

    Oh…oh…kay (digs toe in dirt). He was the first one that came to mind, that’s all. Thought he played later (and more) than he did.

    Shucks.

    Despair not! You did not disappoint. The first name that came to me was George Izo. (I can’t reveal more but there may be auxiliaries in the works).

    :)

  • leon | July 28, 2009 at 11:45 am |

    What is the proper singular form of a player who plays for either the Red Sox or White Sox?

    “pudge”

  • u2-horn | July 28, 2009 at 11:49 am |

    [quote comment=”342521″]I don’t know if Adidas had eyeglasses before them, but Nike has had them for many years now. They’re actually quite nice.

    http://www.nike.com/...

    I wear Nike eyeglasses. They are super light and fit my large gourd well. Bought them at my optometrist’s office.

  • Bruce | July 28, 2009 at 11:49 am |

    I used to play a similar “short name” game with MLB players, except I included their first names as well….Mel Ott, Bob Lee, Rob Nen, etc… My fave, and I think this might be the shortest name in all of sports (5 letters), is Ed Ott.

  • Berto | July 28, 2009 at 11:51 am |

    [quote comment=”342567″]I used to play a similar “short name” game with MLB players, except I included their first names as well….Mel Ott, Bob Lee, Rob Nen, etc… My fave, and I think this might be the shortest name in all of sports (5 letters), is Ed Ott.[/quote]

    I think it’s “Robb Nen”

  • Ricko | July 28, 2009 at 11:53 am |

    [quote comment=”342568″][quote comment=”342567″]I used to play a similar “short name” game with MLB players, except I included their first names as well….Mel Ott, Bob Lee, Rob Nen, etc… My fave, and I think this might be the shortest name in all of sports (5 letters), is Ed Ott.[/quote]

    I think it’s “Robb Nen”[/quote]

    In the late ’50s Dodgers had a 1B prospect named Dick Nen, who spent a little time in the bigs, I think. Always wondered if Robb was related to him.

  • LI Phil | July 28, 2009 at 11:54 am |

    not football, of course, but does this count as a 3 letter NOB?

  • Berto | July 28, 2009 at 11:55 am |

    [quote comment=”342569″][quote comment=”342568″][quote comment=”342567″]I used to play a similar “short name” game with MLB players, except I included their first names as well….Mel Ott, Bob Lee, Rob Nen, etc… My fave, and I think this might be the shortest name in all of sports (5 letters), is Ed Ott.[/quote]

    I think it’s “Robb Nen”[/quote]

    In the late ’50s Dodgers had a 1B prospect named Dick Nen, who spent a little time in the bigs, I think. Always wondered if Robb was related to him.[/quote]

    From Wikipedia:

    “He is the son of former major league first baseman Dick Nen”

  • Berto | July 28, 2009 at 11:59 am |

    [quote comment=”342507″][quote comment=”342501″][quote comment=”342497″]According to the Wade Boggs link, Rollie Fingers wore a Red Sox uni for 3 days. ?

    There has to be a pic of this.[/quote]

    Remember he was traded from the A’s, along with Joe Rudi and cash, in 1976 as the defending A.L. champion Red Sox were trying to catch up with the Yankees.[/quote]
    If I’m not mistaken, Commish Bowie Kuhn did not allow the trade to take place. Apparently Vida Blue was also supposed to end up a Yankee.[/quote]

    Yup. But the players were held in limbo for a few days while the decision was being made. I think I have a newspaper that shows Rollie in the locker room putting on his Sox togs. I think Vida and Rudi are in the pic too. If I have it I’ll post it tonight.

  • Ricko | July 28, 2009 at 12:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”342571″][quote comment=”342569″][quote comment=”342568″][quote comment=”342567″]I used to play a similar “short name” game with MLB players, except I included their first names as well….Mel Ott, Bob Lee, Rob Nen, etc… My fave, and I think this might be the shortest name in all of sports (5 letters), is Ed Ott.[/quote]

    I think it’s “Robb Nen”[/quote]

    Ta-da! I keep forgetting about this InterWeb thing.

    ;)

    In the late ’50s Dodgers had a 1B prospect named Dick Nen, who spent a little time in the bigs, I think. Always wondered if Robb was related to him.[/quote]

    From Wikipedia:

    “He is the son of former major league first baseman Dick Nen”[/quote]

  • Steve May | July 28, 2009 at 12:01 pm |

    As someone with a three letter last name – I’m getting a kick out of these replies.

    I guess my time with the 100 Mile House Marmot Ridge Raiders wouldn’t count…(flag football with mill workers, lumberjacks and surveyors could get suprisingly physical).

    As noted earlier – Ed Kea with the Blues and Flames always interested me. And then of course, Bobby Orr, Brad May, Alan May, etc. I think because of their general sizes – this project works best for NFL, though.

  • Hal | July 28, 2009 at 12:02 pm |

    The three-letter team would be pretty tough to beat. Three HOF-ers (that I can count) plus a lot of other guys who were Pro Bowlers at least once.

  • Ricko | July 28, 2009 at 12:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”342573″][quote comment=”342571″][quote comment=”342569″][quote comment=”342568″][quote comment=”342567″]I used to play a similar “short name” game with MLB players, except I included their first names as well….Mel Ott, Bob Lee, Rob Nen, etc… My fave, and I think this might be the shortest name in all of sports (5 letters), is Ed Ott.[/quote]

    I think it’s “Robb Nen”[/quote]

    Ta-da! I keep forgetting about this InterWeb thing.

    ;)

    In the late ’50s Dodgers had a 1B prospect named Dick Nen, who spent a little time in the bigs, I think. Always wondered if Robb was related to him.[/quote]

    From Wikipedia:

    “He is the son of former major league first baseman Dick Nen”[/quote][/quote]

    Was supposed to say, “Thanks. I keep forgetting about this Interweb thing.”

  • leon | July 28, 2009 at 12:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”342571″][quote comment=”342569″][quote comment=”342568″][quote comment=”342567″]I used to play a similar “short name” game with MLB players, except I included their first names as well….Mel Ott, Bob Lee, Rob Nen, etc… My fave, and I think this might be the shortest name in all of sports (5 letters), is Ed Ott.[/quote]

    I think it’s “Robb Nen”[/quote]

    In the late ’50s Dodgers had a 1B prospect named Dick Nen, who spent a little time in the bigs, I think. Always wondered if Robb was related to him.[/quote]

    From Wikipedia:

    “He is the son of former major league first baseman Dick Nen”[/quote]
    I know that the elder Nen played for the expansion Senators.

  • Noelski y que! | July 28, 2009 at 12:04 pm |

    2 thumbs down on the Phillie fan website…BOOOO!

  • Ferdinand Cesarano | July 28, 2009 at 12:09 pm |

    How about Ted Cox of the Red Sox!

    (No NOB with the Red Sox, of course, as they are one of the very few teams to resist that bit of superfluous nonsense — even, in Cox’s day, on the road jersey. But if this guy somehow resisted the urge to order up a specially-made Red Sox jersey that said “TED COX” on the front, well, then he’s a stronger man than I would be in his shoes.)

  • Ricko | July 28, 2009 at 12:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”342577″][quote comment=”342571″][quote comment=”342569″][quote comment=”342568″][quote comment=”342567″]I used to play a similar “short name” game with MLB players, except I included their first names as well….Mel Ott, Bob Lee, Rob Nen, etc… My fave, and I think this might be the shortest name in all of sports (5 letters), is Ed Ott.[/quote]

    I think it’s “Robb Nen”[/quote]

    In the late ’50s Dodgers had a 1B prospect named Dick Nen, who spent a little time in the bigs, I think. Always wondered if Robb was related to him.[/quote]

    From Wikipedia:

    “He is the son of former major league first baseman Dick Nen”[/quote]
    I know that the elder Nen played for the expansion Senators.[/quote]

    You’re absolutely right. Was thinking about a photo of him in a Spokane Indians uni (Dodger farm at the time) and didn’t remember his Senators gig til after I posted.

  • JimV19 | July 28, 2009 at 12:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”342537″][quote comment=”342527″]What about Bob Lee? He meets all of the criteria, right?

    The committee was torn on this one. Mr. Lee was primarily a backup QB, but did have a few moments. He was also a punter, but the members felt that there was room for only one and that would have to be Ray Guy. Mr. Lee’s acceptance will be considered again next year and we will be influenced no doubt by the clamor that may arise over his omission. Your mention of him has been duly noted.
    :)[/quote]

    If there isn’t a three-letter-surnamed placekicker, would you consider Mr. Lee then? Besides, you gotta have depth at every position, especially when there’s no salary cap involved…

  • leon | July 28, 2009 at 12:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”342579″]How about Ted Cox of the Red Sox!

    (No NOB with the Red Sox, of course, as they are one of the very few teams to resist that bit of superfluous nonsense — even, in Cox’s day, on the road jersey. But if this guy somehow resisted the urge to order up a specially-made Red Sox jersey that said “TED COX” on the front, well, then he’s a stronger man than I would be in his shoes.)[/quote]

    In a similar vein, I always wanted to see a certain punter wear F Eagles as his NOB.
    :)

  • Stuby | July 28, 2009 at 12:13 pm |

    Future members of the team: Ty Law & Dre’ Bly

  • JimV19 | July 28, 2009 at 12:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”342581″][quote comment=”342537″][quote comment=”342527″]What about Bob Lee? He meets all of the criteria, right?

    The committee was torn on this one. Mr. Lee was primarily a backup QB, but did have a few moments. He was also a punter, but the members felt that there was room for only one and that would have to be Ray Guy. Mr. Lee’s acceptance will be considered again next year and we will be influenced no doubt by the clamor that may arise over his omission. Your mention of him has been duly noted.
    :)[/quote]

    If there isn’t a three-letter-surnamed placekicker, would you consider Mr. Lee then? Besides, you gotta have depth at every position, especially when there’s no salary cap involved…[/quote]

    Duh, forgot Fred Cox…and his picture’s on my basement wall. It’s a frontal shot, BTW.

  • gr_spur | July 28, 2009 at 12:14 pm |

    Too bad he falls outside the parameters, the Detroit Lions’ Cloyce Box was always one of my favourite football names.

  • HIJKMNOP | July 28, 2009 at 12:17 pm |

    there isn’t a three-letter-surnamed placekicker, would you consider Mr. Lee then? Besides, you gotta have depth at every position, especially when there’s no salary cap involved…

    Good try, JimV19.
    We felt that Fred Cox was the man for that positon. Also considered was Steve Cox (no relaton).

    As previously mentioned, we’ll note any groundswell of support.
    :)

  • JimV19 | July 28, 2009 at 12:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”342547″][quote comment=”342545″][quote comment=”342543″]”I still got some football left in me.”[/quote]
    Sounds like a personal problem.[/quote]

    That also may be a UFL quote we hear.[/quote]

    Just make it the league’s marketing slogan…

  • David | July 28, 2009 at 12:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”342492″][quote comment=”342489″]I think you have the KFC prizes backwards.[/quote]

    Part of the punishment of getting second prize is that you have to eat the chicken for a year. First prize gets the benefit of only having to eat it for a month.[/quote]

    Kind of like the old joke in which the first prize in a contest is a week’s vacation in Cleveland. Second prize is two weeks.

  • JimV19 | July 28, 2009 at 12:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”342555″]Something that caught my attention while watching SportsCenter this morning. They were talking about LaRoche since he was traded to Boston, but they said that his batting average was such-and-such “since becoming a Red Sox.”

    That can’t be correct. I’ve heard a couple times a single Boston player referred to as a “Red Sock.” What is the proper singular form of a player who plays for either the Red Sox or White Sox?[/quote]

    How ’bout a Red Socker or White Socker?

  • Ricko | July 28, 2009 at 12:20 pm |

    Redskins QB Eagle Day?
    Nah, played a bit too early…and not nearly enough.

  • HIJKMNOP | July 28, 2009 at 12:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”342583″]Future members of the team: Ty Law & Dre’ Bly[/quote]

    The committee is also dusting off spots for Randall Gay, Corey Ivy, and Bhawoh Jue.

    :)

  • Bernard Shakey | July 28, 2009 at 12:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”342563″]Sorry to be a noodge, but I am wondering how it can be determined from that black-&-white photo whether the Indians’ jersey and pants are red or blue.[/quote]

    The stripe pattern on the pants is white/navy/white and the jersey is red/white/red. You can also see a difference in shade if you look closely (particularly on Buddy Bell in the background). Additionally, I knew this combo existed from memory – so it was just a matter of sitting in the Fairview Park library pouring over microfilm until I found photographic evidence. The other reason we know that the pants are not blue is because the team never had blue pants.

  • HIJKMNOP | July 28, 2009 at 12:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”342585″]Too bad he falls outside the parameters, the Detroit Lions’ Cloyce Box was always one of my favourite football names.[/quote]

    Terrific name! We think it should be honored (or honoured) in some way in the future.

    :)

  • anotherguy | July 28, 2009 at 12:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”342589″]… White Socker?[/quote]
    Jerry Quarry?
    Chuck Wepner, aka “the Bayonne Bleeder”?

  • Bernard | July 28, 2009 at 12:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”342561″][quote comment=”342555″]What is the proper singular form of a player who plays for either the Red Sox or White Sox?[/quote]I’m open to suggestions.

    How about “since becoming a member of the White Sox” or “since joining the White Sox”?

    That sounds slightly more natural.[/quote]

    That definitely sounds more natural. But I, too, wonder what the proper singular form should be. How do you finish this sentence?

    He plays for Chicago, therefore he is a (blank).

    (Keep it clean, folks.)

    Somewhat off topic, but I’ve always wondered the same thing about players for teams like the Stanford Cardinal, Alabama Crimson Tide, Orlando Magic, etc. What is Vince Carter? A new Magician?

  • HIJKMNOP | July 28, 2009 at 12:29 pm |

    Redskins QB Eagle Day?

    Another dynamite name. Perhaps there is a place for him on a CFL 3 LTR NOB? If only such an entity existed…… (srokes chin).

  • anotherguy | July 28, 2009 at 12:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”342593″]Terrific name! We think it should be honored (or honoured) in some way in the future.[/quote]
    Okay, if we don’t need to obey the three year NFL rule:

    http://www.cbssports...

    Matt Ng.

  • anotherguy | July 28, 2009 at 12:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”342596″] (srokes chin).[/quote]
    You’re taking that “the fewer letters the better” concept a bit too far.

  • aflfan | July 28, 2009 at 12:33 pm |

    It is a stretch but this is kinda uni related as I suspect most of these have their nicknames on their uniforms, but sporcle had a quiz today about the most common High School nicknames.

    http://www.sporcle.c...

    WARNING, WARNING, WARNING: This site is HIGHLY adictive. I speak from personal experience.

  • JimV19 | July 28, 2009 at 12:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”342586″]there isn’t a three-letter-surnamed placekicker, would you consider Mr. Lee then? Besides, you gotta have depth at every position, especially when there’s no salary cap involved…

    Good try, JimV19.
    We felt that Fred Cox was the man for that positon. Also considered was Steve Cox (no relaton).

    As previously mentioned, we’ll note any groundswell of support.
    :)[/quote]

    Both Cox and Lee were featured in the 1970 Punt Pass and Kick instructional booklet. I know this because I just gave it to Paul and he scanned the pages. An honor like that should get Lee inducted, plus his versatility as QB and P should get him in as a journeyman player.

    Still can’t believe I temporarily forgot Fred Cox earlier. Time for the 2nd coffee of the day. BTW, I also have a picture of Steve Cox, but it’s a frontal shot.

    Now we need Robert Marshall to whip up some “We Want Lee!” t-shirts so we can hit the campaign trail for his induction.

  • Bernard | July 28, 2009 at 12:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”342591″][quote comment=”342583″]Future members of the team: Ty Law & Dre’ Bly[/quote]

    The committee is also dusting off spots for Randall Gay, Corey Ivy, and Bhawoh Jue.

    :)[/quote]

    Surely you can’t mean this Corey Ivy…

    http://www.youtube.c...

  • Dave K | July 28, 2009 at 12:36 pm |

    The all time short-name champ, however, is former Dayton Bomber/Syracuse Crunch Robert Ek. Naturally there are no pictures that I can find.

  • LI Phil | July 28, 2009 at 12:37 pm |

    [quote] I also have a picture of Steve Cox, but it’s a frontal shot.[/quote]

    aren’t they all

  • JimV19 | July 28, 2009 at 12:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”342594″][quote comment=”342589″]… White Socker?[/quote]
    Jerry Quarry?
    Chuck Wepner, aka “the Bayonne Bleeder”?[/quote]

    Chuck Wepner http://www.cleveland... at the Richfield Coliseum vs. Ali. That fight was the inspiration for Rocky.
    That building was where I worked. I’ll be sharing some pics of that place eventually.

  • HIJKMNOP | July 28, 2009 at 12:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”342598″][quote comment=”342596″] (srokes chin).[/quote]
    You’re taking that “the fewer letters the better” concept a bit too far.[/quote]

    Ltr lft out in err
    :)
    Tnx

  • JimV19 | July 28, 2009 at 12:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”342603″][quote] I also have a picture of Steve Cox, but it’s a frontal shot.[/quote]

    aren’t they all[/quote]

    Actually there’s this one scene in Ace Ventura, Pet Detective…

    And at least the one I have isn’t a full-frontal shot.

  • MPowers1634 | July 28, 2009 at 12:43 pm |

    Gents — Great work on finding the Indians’ blue-on-red uniform. Wonder if there is any visual evidence of white on red? And what about that blue-on-blue? It seems the Indians were engaged in Pirate-like mix-and-match in the mid-1970s too.

    when i put out that call for ricko’s “memory” of the blue horsey all blue uniform, i got three or four emails from “devout” indians followers, some who’ve been following the team since the early 1960s. EVERY single one of them denies the team EVER wore blue over blue … and no one ever remembered seeing blue pants at any time … the white jersey over red pants was a possibility (though unlikely) and several said they remembered seeing blue pullovers over red bottoms … but NEVER ANY BLUE PANTS

    so, like the mythical bronco helmut, unless we get photographic evidence of an all blue uniform (or even blue pants) … this goes down as “never happened”

    *on another note, someone mentioned they saw george hendrick in an all blue get up, but no proof has ever been offered — i’m putting this one in the UW “cold case” files, but if anyone can find a picture of him (or anyone with blue pants, much less, a fullblown monochrome blue uniform, i’ll owe you a coke)

    End of quote…

    Who is George Hendrick now coaching for and Phil,

    That’s a great offer, cuz I ain’t payin 50 cents for no coke.

  • HIJKMNOP | July 28, 2009 at 12:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”342597″][quote comment=”342593″]Terrific name! We think it should be honored (or honoured) in some way in the future.[/quote]
    Okay, if we don’t need to obey the three year NFL rule:

    http://www.cbssports...

    Matt Ng.[/quote]

    He could receive extra consideration if he played NG.

    :)

  • LI Phil | July 28, 2009 at 12:46 pm |

    [quote]Who is George Hendrick now coaching for and Phil,

    That’s a great offer, cuz I ain’t payin 50 cents for no coke.[/quote]

    i think he’s the rays 1B coach, no?

  • HIJKMNOP | July 28, 2009 at 12:46 pm |

    Surely you can’t mean this Corey Ivy…

    Remember, qualifications for this team have nothing to do with talent. The fact that many members are talented is purely coincidental.

    (But yes, that Corey Ivy)

  • ken | July 28, 2009 at 12:51 pm |

    “Add Curt Schilling to the underbill inscription club.”

    I think if you look closely at the message..it says.. “NEED MORE KETCHUP”

  • JimV19 | July 28, 2009 at 12:57 pm |

    Okay, I really need that 2nd cup of coffee, because it was David Lee, not Bob Lee, on the PP&K book http://farm4.static....
    According to the wiki site:
    “After graduation from Tech in 1965, Lee joined the Cleveland Browns. They signed the papers in Ruston at the home of the parents of football star Bert Jones. He was transferred after a year to the Colts. As a rookie, Lee won the National Football League punting title.

    In 1969, the Colts lost Super Bowl III to the New York Jets, but Lee again won the NFL punting title. In 1971, the year in which the Colts defeated the Dallas Cowboys to win Super Bowl V, Lee uncorked a 76-yard punt, the longest in Colts history.”

    We want both Lees!

  • JimV19 | July 28, 2009 at 1:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”342612″]Okay, I really need that 2nd cup of coffee, because it was David Lee, not Bob Lee, on the PP&K book http://farm4.static....
    According to the wiki site:
    “After graduation from Tech in 1965, Lee joined the Cleveland Browns. They signed the papers in Ruston at the home of the parents of football star Bert Jones. He was transferred after a year to the Colts. As a rookie, Lee won the National Football League punting title.

    In 1969, the Colts lost Super Bowl III to the New York Jets, but Lee again won the NFL punting title. In 1971, the year in which the Colts defeated the Dallas Cowboys to win Super Bowl V, Lee uncorked a 76-yard punt, the longest in Colts history.”

    We want both Lees![/quote]

    Besides, shouldn’t the Three-Letter Name team’s roster be three deep??? (not the three question marks for emphasis)

  • ScottyJ | July 28, 2009 at 1:21 pm |

    New member to the 3-letter HOF….Vikings CB Carl Lee.

    Played 12 seasons, 11 with the Vikings, 3 time Pro Bowler.

  • Puff | July 28, 2009 at 1:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”342589″][quote comment=”342555″]Something that caught my attention while watching SportsCenter this morning. They were talking about LaRoche since he was traded to Boston, but they said that his batting average was such-and-such “since becoming a Red Sox.”

    That can’t be correct. I’ve heard a couple times a single Boston player referred to as a “Red Sock.” What is the proper singular form of a player who plays for either the Red Sox or White Sox?[/quote]

    How ’bout a Red Socker or White Socker?[/quote]

    Pale Hoser? Crimson Hoser?

  • Fight | July 28, 2009 at 1:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”342506″]what about 2-letter NOBs?

    http://cache.daylife...
    Correct me if I am wrong, but isn’t he a Knight?

  • Ferdinand Cesarano | July 28, 2009 at 1:29 pm |

    At the risk of breaking the all-time record for noodginess, I reluctantly ask again: how can anyone determine from that black-&-white photo whether the Indians’ jersey and pants are red or blue?

  • Ricko | July 28, 2009 at 1:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”342617″]At the risk of breaking the all-time record for noodginess, I reluctantly ask again: how can anyone determine from that black-&-white photo whether the Indians’ jersey and pants are red or blue?[/quote]
    [quote comment=”342617″]At the risk of breaking the all-time record for noodginess, I reluctantly ask again: how can anyone determine from that black-&-white photo whether the Indians’ jersey and pants are red or blue?[/quote]

    Well, even beyond stripe patterns, etc., in a decent B&W photo (esp. from a day game), navy tracks unmistakably darker than red. They go virtually to black and gray. See ’50s Braves, Indians, Cardinals, Red Sox, Senators, original Angels and many, many others. Most times, it’s a piece of cake.

    Royal/red, not so easy. But navy/red is most times a slam dunk. Assuming the photo is halfway decent, of course.

    (Been doing this a long time.)

    —Ricko

  • LI Phil | July 28, 2009 at 1:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”342617″]At the risk of breaking the all-time record for noodginess, I reluctantly ask again: how can anyone determine from that black-&-white photo whether the Indians’ jersey and pants are red or blue?[/quote]

    see comment # 104

  • Bernard | July 28, 2009 at 1:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”342610″]Surely you can’t mean this Corey Ivy…

    Remember, qualifications for this team have nothing to do with talent. The fact that many members are talented is purely coincidental.

    (But yes, that Corey Ivy)[/quote]

    Haha, yes, I know. I just wanted an excuse to post that clip.

  • HIJKMNOP | July 28, 2009 at 1:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”342614″]New member to the 3-letter HOF….Vikings CB Carl Lee.

    Played 12 seasons, 11 with the Vikings, 3 time Pro Bowler.[/quote]

    Carl Lee voted in July 28, 2009. Official enshrinement upcoming. ScottyJ; would you be available to pen some appropriate words on Carl’s behalf? We regret this omission and the appropriate heads have rolled. Thank You.

  • Ricko | July 28, 2009 at 1:53 pm |

    Not real tough to tell the navy from the red in this, for example.
    http://i.cdn.turner....

  • mao | July 28, 2009 at 1:59 pm |

    Ha, thanks for the shout-out on the Uni Watch card. I always thought it looked weird when I created myself on sports video games because Orr is such a short one. Though I did appreciate both Terry Orr, tight end for the Redskins back in the day, and Jonathan Orr, wideout at Wisconsin recently.

  • Ricko | July 28, 2009 at 2:02 pm |

    What’s navy? What’s red?
    Piece of cake.
    http://images.ulib.c...

  • Namhob | July 28, 2009 at 2:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”342579″]How about Ted Cox of the Red Sox!

    (No NOB with the Red Sox, of course, as they are one of the very few teams to resist that bit of superfluous nonsense — even, in Cox’s day, on the road jersey. But if this guy somehow resisted the urge to order up a specially-made Red Sox jersey that said “TED COX” on the front, well, then he’s a stronger man than I would be in his shoes.)[/quote]
    Sorry, I couldn’t resist.

    http://i400.photobuc...

  • Squiddie | July 28, 2009 at 2:04 pm |

    I was watching the trailer to Funny People and one scene features a framed St. Kilda guernsey.

    Eric Bana’s character must be a Saints fan.

  • Jim BC | July 28, 2009 at 2:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”342574″]As someone with a three letter last name – I’m getting a kick out of these replies.

    I guess my time with the 100 Mile House Marmot Ridge Raiders wouldn’t count…(flag football with mill workers, lumberjacks and surveyors could get suprisingly physical).

    As noted earlier – Ed Kea with the Blues and Flames always interested me. And then of course, Bobby Orr, Brad May, Alan May, etc. I think because of their general sizes – this project works best for NFL, though.[/quote]
    MayDay, MayDay, MayDay….

    Sorry Steve, I’m sure you’ve heard that a few times…

  • Ferdinand Cesarano | July 28, 2009 at 2:09 pm |

    Thanks to Bernard, to LIPhil, and to Ricko for clarifying about the black-&-white photos. (And sorry for having missed Bernard\’s post.) I can see what you mean!

    And great job on that jersey, Namhob! Ted Cox *must* have one like that in his closet somewhere!

  • Namhob | July 28, 2009 at 2:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”342595″][quote comment=”342561″][quote comment=”342555″]What is the proper singular form of a player who plays for either the Red Sox or White Sox?[/quote]I’m open to suggestions.

    How about “since becoming a member of the White Sox” or “since joining the White Sox”?

    That sounds slightly more natural.[/quote]

    That definitely sounds more natural. But I, too, wonder what the proper singular form should be. How do you finish this sentence?

    He plays for Chicago, therefore he is a (blank).[/quote]
    Cub?

  • HIJKMNOP | July 28, 2009 at 2:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”342613″][quote comment=”342612″]Okay, I really need that 2nd cup of coffee, because it was David Lee, not Bob Lee, on the PP&K book http://farm4.static....
    According to the wiki site:
    “After graduation from Tech in 1965, Lee joined the Cleveland Browns. They signed the papers in Ruston at the home of the parents of football star Bert Jones. He was transferred after a year to the Colts. As a rookie, Lee won the National Football League punting title.

    In 1969, the Colts lost Super Bowl III to the New York Jets, but Lee again won the NFL punting title. In 1971, the year in which the Colts defeated the Dallas Cowboys to win Super Bowl V, Lee uncorked a 76-yard punt, the longest in Colts history.”

    We want both Lees![/quote]

    Besides, shouldn’t the Three-Letter Name team’s roster be three deep??? (not the three question marks for emphasis)[/quote]

    “Or should the Team be compromised of no more than 3 players having the same surname”? This rule was considered but rejected by a slim margin. However, with the roster already containing Amp Lee, Jacky Lee and Carl Lee it may have to be reviewed. But it may become confusing if we allow too much lee-way. You yourself had Bob and Dave mixed up. But we will review it. We’re nothing if not reasonable and think your t-shirt idea has merit. (XL)

    :)

  • LI Phil | July 28, 2009 at 2:14 pm |

    in re: red vs. blue…

    this may not be a fair comparison, but look at the sleeve stripes, and also the color gradations:

    photo in question

    versus

    B & W photo of all red uni

    now compare a color shot of the red jersey to the blue jersey

    for additional comparison…check out this color shot of red shirt & blue cap & sleeve stripes versus this black and white…the dark blue appears darker in the B&W

    now…does any of that conclusively prove the jersey was blue and the pants were red? i don’t think 100%, but if someone who saw the game says it was so, and ricko’s trained eye agrees with it, then i’ll have to agree it’s blue top/red pants (the top definitely appears slightly darker)

  • HIJKMNOP | July 28, 2009 at 2:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”342623″]Ha, thanks for the shout-out on the Uni Watch card. I always thought it looked weird when I created myself on sports video games because Orr is such a short one. Though I did appreciate both Terry Orr, tight end for the Redskins back in the day, and Jonathan Orr, wideout at Wisconsin recently.[/quote]

    Terry was considered for membership, but no photos or cards could be found to place alongside his bio. Likewise Ben Utt of the Colts, Mark Lee (another Lee) of the Packers and Derrick Ned of the Saints. We’re still looking.

    :)

    Jimmy Orr (no relation), however, did make it.

  • JimV19 | July 28, 2009 at 2:22 pm |

    You almost could field an All-Lee football team vs. a non-Lee All-Three-Letter team.

  • jim finks | July 28, 2009 at 2:23 pm |

    Don’t forget Viking kicker Fred Cox

  • ken | July 28, 2009 at 2:32 pm |

    short names and pictures.
    I wish I could find the picture but there was a Hockey News cover from the early 80’s that showed 5’8″ Reijo Ruotsalainen standing next to 6’3″ Barry Beck.
    The thing that stands out from the photo is the fact the Rexi’s name went arch from sholder to sholder and Bubba’s was straight & short between the sholders.

  • Mike Engle | July 28, 2009 at 2:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”342634″]Don’t forget Viking kicker Fred Cox[/quote]
    I nominate former UC-Davis/Saints tight end Onome Ojo.

  • M.Princip | July 28, 2009 at 2:40 pm |

    Here ya go Noel, straight from the archives of the Illustrated NFL, one of my favorite illos, and to your delight three letter surname; Jack Ham.

  • Dane | July 28, 2009 at 2:54 pm |

    Today was my introduction to the awesome total branding package that is the Omaha Beef:
    http://www.beeffootb...
    Uniforms:
    http://www.calexphot...
    Merchandise:
    http://nsg.soccerzon...

    Nebraska, I salute you!

  • Adam_T | July 28, 2009 at 2:56 pm |

    Actually, the UFL already has rosters set. http://en.wikipedia....

  • Bernard Shakey | July 28, 2009 at 2:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”342631″]in re: red vs. blue…

    this may not be a fair comparison, but look at the sleeve stripes, and also the color gradations:

    photo in question

    versus

    B & W photo of all red uni

    now compare a color shot of the red jersey to the blue jersey

    for additional comparison…check out this color shot of red shirt & blue cap & sleeve stripes versus this black and white…the dark blue appears darker in the B&W

    now…does any of that conclusively prove the jersey was blue and the pants were red? i don’t think 100%, but if someone who saw the game says it was so, and ricko’s trained eye agrees with it, then i’ll have to agree it’s blue top/red pants (the top definitely appears slightly darker)[/quote]

    Also remember, it was much clearer on the microfilm machine at the library – quality similar to the b & w photos linked aboved. By the time it made it to this website, it had been through a copy machine, a scanner, and “teh internets.” It is without question navy above red, the copy machine treatment hurt the clarity.

    Somebody has to have the Daly’s Fruit Drink poster of the 1977 Indians. Full color versions of that combo. (Heading into the attic tonight to dig through dusty boxes – maybe I’m that guy).

  • HIJKMNOP | July 28, 2009 at 2:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”342637″]Here ya go Noel, straight from the archives of the Illustrated NFL, one of my favorite illos, and to your delight three letter surname; Jack Ham.[/quote]

    Thank you, M.

    And if my eyes don’t deceive me one of the players in the first illustration is charter member Blaine Nye !

  • Mark in Shiga | July 28, 2009 at 2:58 pm |

    Ivan Rodrriguez, in his new #77 jersey, is yet another member of the unbalanced-jersey-back club, where the NOB and/or number are placed too far downward. If I-Rod were a few inches shorter, that 77 would be tucked into his pants!

    It seems like the Astros are particular violators of this.

  • Ricko | July 28, 2009 at 3:00 pm |

    Losta ASG’s here. For, y’know, odd-uni searches.
    http://www.buysellco...

    —Ricko

  • M.Princip | July 28, 2009 at 3:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”342641″][quote comment=”342637″]Here ya go Noel, straight from the archives of the Illustrated NFL, one of my favorite illos, and to your delight three letter surname; Jack Ham.[/quote]

    Thank you, M.

    And if my eyes don’t deceive me one of the players in the first illustration is charter member Blaine Nye ![/quote]

    You are correct, Cowboys Blaine Nye in that Chuck Ren illustration. Good eye!

  • Will S | July 28, 2009 at 3:19 pm |

    Don’t know if this has already been posted, or whether anyone will even find it interesting, but I thought it was kind of funny.

    http://img507.images...

  • leon | July 28, 2009 at 3:23 pm |

    The inner crowd today agrees
    those who think young say “Pepsi, please”.
    Now it’s Pepsi: for those who think young.

  • Geeman | July 28, 2009 at 3:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”342640″][quote comment=”342631″]in re: red vs. blue…

    this may not be a fair comparison, but look at the sleeve stripes, and also the color gradations:

    photo in question

    versus

    B & W photo of all red uni

    now compare a color shot of the red jersey to the blue jersey

    for additional comparison…check out this color shot of red shirt & blue cap & sleeve stripes versus this black and white…the dark blue appears darker in the B&W

    now…does any of that conclusively prove the jersey was blue and the pants were red? i don’t think 100%, but if someone who saw the game says it was so, and ricko’s trained eye agrees with it, then i’ll have to agree it’s blue top/red pants (the top definitely appears slightly darker)[/quote]

    Also remember, it was much clearer on the microfilm machine at the library – quality similar to the b & w photos linked aboved. By the time it made it to this website, it had been through a copy machine, a scanner, and “teh internets.” It is without question navy above red, the copy machine treatment hurt the clarity.

    Somebody has to have the Daly’s Fruit Drink poster of the 1977 Indians. Full color versions of that combo. (Heading into the attic tonight to dig through dusty boxes – maybe I’m that guy).[/quote]

    Shake — I’ve got the baseball cards with the team pics of the Indians of that era, but they’re always wearing white pants with either red, blue, or white jerseys.

    By the way, I think the Indians (along with maybe the A’s) were the first team to wear a colored jersey on gray pants as a road uniform when they switched the blue jersey from an alternate home uniform to a road uniform in 1983. As you know, that is now the common practice, but for years teams wore white pants with their colored jerseys on the road.

  • Bob A | July 28, 2009 at 3:34 pm |

    ex-Cleveland rb Ben Gay. Tried googling a pic with NOB but came up ‘short’.

    Sorry

  • timmy b | July 28, 2009 at 3:37 pm |

    Found a photo (but cannot post, sorry) from the NYTimes archives via ProQuest. This is the 7/18/77 edition. There are several photos on page 19 from a 7/17/77 DH with the Mets at Shea and there is one shot of Pirates manager Chuck Tanner and he is wearing the striped (I can’t bring myself to call them “pins” as they don’t truly define pins) top AND striped pants. They have the black accessories with them.

    Page 22 of same paper shows a couple of more shots, including trainer Tony Bartirome wearing the same top as the players toweling off John Candelaria. It was 97 degrees that day in Flushing.

  • Ricko | July 28, 2009 at 3:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”342640″][quote comment=”342631″]in re: red vs. blue…

    this may not be a fair comparison, but look at the sleeve stripes, and also the color gradations:

    photo in question

    versus

    B & W photo of all red uni

    now compare a color shot of the red jersey to the blue jersey

    for additional comparison…check out this color shot of red shirt & blue cap & sleeve stripes versus this black and white…the dark blue appears darker in the B&W

    now…does any of that conclusively prove the jersey was blue and the pants were red? i don’t think 100%, but if someone who saw the game says it was so, and ricko’s trained eye agrees with it, then i’ll have to agree it’s blue top/red pants (the top definitely appears slightly darker)[/quote]

    Also remember, it was much clearer on the microfilm machine at the library – quality similar to the b & w photos linked aboved. By the time it made it to this website, it had been through a copy machine, a scanner, and “teh internets.” It is without question navy above red, the copy machine treatment hurt the clarity.

    Somebody has to have the Daly’s Fruit Drink poster of the 1977 Indians. Full color versions of that combo. (Heading into the attic tonight to dig through dusty boxes – maybe I’m that guy).[/quote]

    Yeah, the umpteeth generation reproduction loses a little, doesn’t it.

    I’ll look at the photo when I get home, where I can download it and mess around with the brightness and contrast a bit; see if I can see more differentiation between the colors (so to speak) in question.

    (Of course I’m still remembering—and stuck on—that brief moment on-screen of an Indian in all-navy with red stirrups and red shoes. Wasn’t ’75, btw; found pre-game and extensive highlights online and saw Hendrick both in player intros and at bat. Vida started…lotsa footage of him in all yellow-gold. Yikes. Great look at unis of that era, esp. in player intros.)

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | July 28, 2009 at 3:43 pm |

    For ’75 ASG player intros, go here and click on “pregame show”
    http://mlb.com/mlb/b...

    Helluva lot more color in unis than these days, that’s for sure.

    —Ricko

  • anotherguy | July 28, 2009 at 3:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”342616″]
    Correct me if I am wrong, but isn’t he a Knight?[/quote]No, but on a nightly basis many a Knight said his name.

    Including Brave Sir Robin.

    :-)

  • anotherguy | July 28, 2009 at 3:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”342588″]… first prize in a contest is a week’s vacation in Cleveland. Second prize is two weeks.[/quote]Also works with Philadelphia.

  • anotherguy | July 28, 2009 at 3:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”342608″]
    He could receive extra consideration if he played NG.[/quote]
    Oh, this just raises a lot of questions about a three-man front….

  • LI Phil | July 28, 2009 at 3:52 pm |

    [quote](Of course I’m still remembering—and stuck on—that brief moment on-screen of an Indian in all-navy with red stirrups and red shoes. Wasn’t ‘75, btw;[/quote]

    well…definitely NOT ’75 since the AL was the home team — and hendrick wasn’t ON the 1976 AS team (although that home team — the NL — did pose with the pillboxes… but that game was in philly, where an ALer might have appeared in all blue

    when you find that pic, i’ll show you a blue horsey ;)

  • anotherguy | July 28, 2009 at 3:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”342602″]The all time short-name champ, however, is former Dayton Bomber/Syracuse Crunch Robert Ek. [/quote]Now if somehow, someway he had played for Georgia Southern head coach Erk Russell; and been such an admirer that he had chosen to name his son after Russell, then we’d have….

    Erk Ek.

  • anotherguy | July 28, 2009 at 3:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”342649″]…including trainer Tony Bartirome…[/quote]Any relation to the Money Honey, Maria Bartirome?

  • Ricko | July 28, 2009 at 3:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”342655″][quote](Of course I’m still remembering—and stuck on—that brief moment on-screen of an Indian in all-navy with red stirrups and red shoes. Wasn’t ‘75, btw;[/quote]

    well…definitely NOT ’75 since the AL was the home team — and hendrick wasn’t ON the 1976 AS team (although that home team — the NL — did pose with the pillboxes… but that game was in philly, where an ALer might have appeared in all blue

    when you find that pic, i’ll show you a blue horsey ;)[/quote]

    Home doesn’t mean shit. In ’75 game, in Milwaukee, Hendrick wears a navy jersey; Reggie wears kelly.

    As to Horseys…
    No, see, parallel thinking would be that an Indian player in an ASG decided to wear BROWN pants. There has be an absence of color logic for a truly positive negative correlation.

    —Ricko

  • HIJKMNOP | July 28, 2009 at 4:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”342654″][quote comment=”342608″]
    He could receive extra consideration if he played NG.[/quote]
    Oh, this just raises a lot of questions about a three-man front….[/quote]

    Bless you. (sneeze not necessary)

  • anotherguy | July 28, 2009 at 4:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”342658″]Home doesn’t mean shit.[/quote]Let’s not tell Dorthy that, okay?

  • leon | July 28, 2009 at 4:05 pm |

    Any chance Hendrick was a member of one of those Civil War re-creation groups? On the Union side of course.

  • ScottyJ | July 28, 2009 at 4:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”342621″][quote comment=”342614″]New member to the 3-letter HOF….Vikings CB Carl Lee.

    Played 12 seasons, 11 with the Vikings, 3 time Pro Bowler.[/quote]

    Carl Lee voted in July 28, 2009. Official enshrinement upcoming. ScottyJ; would you be available to pen some appropriate words on Carl’s behalf? We regret this omission and the appropriate heads have rolled. Thank You.[/quote]

    Congratulations to Carl! A great player and a genuinely good guy!

    I found a little write up for Mr. Lee from the Huntington (WV) Herald-Dispatch. I don’t think I could do much better, so here goes….

    From South Charleston High School to Marshall University all the way to the National Football League.

    That’s the career path followed by Carl Lee, a Thundering Herd defensive back from 1979 to 1982. As a Herd player, Lee’s position coach was Bobby Pruett, who later became the Marshall head coach.

    Lee was named to All-Southern Conference teams in 1981 and 1982. He was later recognized as a member of the SC’s all-time team. Lee became a member of the Marshall Athletic Hall of Fame with the Class of 1995.

    He played in the NFL for 12 seasons — 11 with the Minnesota Vikings and one with the New Orleans Saints. He was selected for the Pro Bowl three times and was the NFC’s defensive back of the year in 1988.

  • aflfan | July 28, 2009 at 4:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”342658″][quote comment=”342655″][quote](Of course I’m still remembering—and stuck on—that brief moment on-screen of an Indian in all-navy with red stirrups and red shoes. Wasn’t ‘75, btw;[/quote]

    well…definitely NOT ’75 since the AL was the home team — and hendrick wasn’t ON the 1976 AS team (although that home team — the NL — did pose with the pillboxes… but that game was in philly, where an ALer might have appeared in all blue

    when you find that pic, i’ll show you a blue horsey ;)[/quote]

    Home doesn’t mean shit. In ’75 game, in Milwaukee, Hendrick wears a navy jersey; Reggie wears kelly.

    As to Horseys…
    No, see, parallel thinking would be that an Indian player in an ASG decided to wear BROWN pants. There has be an absence of color logic for a truly positive negative correlation.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    No kidding about that, Palmer was in an orange top, Oakland players wearing three different tops and Hendricks wearing blue.

  • anotherguy | July 28, 2009 at 4:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”342646″]The inner crowd today agrees
    those who think young say “Pepsi, please”.
    Now it’s Pepsi: for those who think young.[/quote]
    We’re the Pepsi Generation-coming at you, feeling strong….

  • Geeman | July 28, 2009 at 4:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”342649″]Found a photo (but cannot post, sorry) from the NYTimes archives via ProQuest. This is the 7/18/77 edition. There are several photos on page 19 from a 7/17/77 DH with the Mets at Shea and there is one shot of Pirates manager Chuck Tanner and he is wearing the striped (I can’t bring myself to call them “pins” as they don’t truly define pins) top AND striped pants. They have the black accessories with them.

    Page 22 of same paper shows a couple of more shots, including trainer Tony Bartirome wearing the same top as the players toweling off John Candelaria. It was 97 degrees that day in Flushing.[/quote]

    Sweet!

    My memory was correct. Found that white whale. Now if we can only get the pic on-line.

  • Geeman | July 28, 2009 at 4:15 pm |

    Way to go on the above, Timmy B.

  • Bernard Shakey | July 28, 2009 at 4:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”342647″][quote comment=”342640″][quote comment=”342631″]in re: red vs. blue…

    this may not be a fair comparison, but look at the sleeve stripes, and also the color gradations:

    photo in question

    versus

    B & W photo of all red uni

    now compare a color shot of the red jersey to the blue jersey

    for additional comparison…check out this color shot of red shirt & blue cap & sleeve stripes versus this black and white…the dark blue appears darker in the B&W

    now…does any of that conclusively prove the jersey was blue and the pants were red? i don’t think 100%, but if someone who saw the game says it was so, and ricko’s trained eye agrees with it, then i’ll have to agree it’s blue top/red pants (the top definitely appears slightly darker)[/quote]

    Also remember, it was much clearer on the microfilm machine at the library – quality similar to the b & w photos linked aboved. By the time it made it to this website, it had been through a copy machine, a scanner, and “teh internets.” It is without question navy above red, the copy machine treatment hurt the clarity.

    Somebody has to have the Daly’s Fruit Drink poster of the 1977 Indians. Full color versions of that combo. (Heading into the attic tonight to dig through dusty boxes – maybe I’m that guy).[/quote]

    Shake — I’ve got the baseball cards with the team pics of the Indians of that era, but they’re always wearing white pants with either red, blue, or white jerseys.

    By the way, I think the Indians (along with maybe the A’s) were the first team to wear a colored jersey on gray pants as a road uniform when they switched the blue jersey from an alternate home uniform to a road uniform in 1983. As you know, that is now the common practice, but for years teams wore white pants with their colored jerseys on the road.[/quote]

    No doubt, this combo made only fleeting appearances. My favorite was the white over white with the red shoes – very rare in 76/77.

    //has a four letter last name in real life.

  • LI Phil | July 28, 2009 at 4:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”342663″][quote comment=”342658″][quote comment=”342655″][quote](Of course I’m still remembering—and stuck on—that brief moment on-screen of an Indian in all-navy with red stirrups and red shoes. Wasn’t ‘75, btw;[/quote]

    well…definitely NOT ’75 since the AL was the home team — and hendrick wasn’t ON the 1976 AS team (although that home team — the NL — did pose with the pillboxes… but that game was in philly, where an ALer might have appeared in all blue

    when you find that pic, i’ll show you a blue horsey ;)[/quote]

    Home doesn’t mean shit. In ’75 game, in Milwaukee, Hendrick wears a navy jersey; Reggie wears kelly.

    As to Horseys…
    No, see, parallel thinking would be that an Indian player in an ASG decided to wear BROWN pants. There has be an absence of color logic for a truly positive negative correlation.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    No kidding about that, Palmer was in an orange top, Oakland players wearing three different tops and Hendricks wearing blue.[/quote]

    i know “home don’t mean shit” when we’re talking all star JERSEYS, particularly in that era when the brighter colors were in vogue

    im talkin about the pants

    i highly doubt ANYONE on the home team would have been wearing dark (whether it be gray, red, blue or green) pants for a home game

    if anything, teams from that decade would have been wearing white pants for an away game, since a few teams didn’t even have “dark” pants to wear

    btw…if anyone can actually POST a pic of the 1976 AL all star squad, that’d be great…googled for one for 10 minutes (albeit, being interrupted a copule times) and came up empty…color photo preferably

  • HIJKMNOP | July 28, 2009 at 4:26 pm |

    New member to the 3-letter HOF….Vikings CB Carl Lee.

    Kudos on the find and tribute.

  • John E | July 28, 2009 at 4:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”342578″]2 thumbs down on the Phillie fan website…BOOOO![/quote]

    I agree. I’ll do what I damn want with my team jersey. My money. Only “rules” I personally defer to are I won’t put my name above a retired number. And that’s just personal preference – someone else wants to if 42’s their lucky number that’s fine.

    I won’t govern my fandom based on some d-bag’s personal peeve, and neither should you.

  • Geeman | July 28, 2009 at 4:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”342668″][quote comment=”342663″][quote comment=”342658″][quote comment=”342655″][quote](Of course I’m still remembering—and stuck on—that brief moment on-screen of an Indian in all-navy with red stirrups and red shoes. Wasn’t ‘75, btw;[/quote]

    well…definitely NOT ’75 since the AL was the home team — and hendrick wasn’t ON the 1976 AS team (although that home team — the NL — did pose with the pillboxes… but that game was in philly, where an ALer might have appeared in all blue

    when you find that pic, i’ll show you a blue horsey ;)[/quote]

    Home doesn’t mean shit. In ’75 game, in Milwaukee, Hendrick wears a navy jersey; Reggie wears kelly.

    As to Horseys…
    No, see, parallel thinking would be that an Indian player in an ASG decided to wear BROWN pants. There has be an absence of color logic for a truly positive negative correlation.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    No kidding about that, Palmer was in an orange top, Oakland players wearing three different tops and Hendricks wearing blue.[/quote]

    i know “home don’t mean shit” when we’re talking all star JERSEYS, particularly in that era when the brighter colors were in vogue

    im talkin about the pants

    i highly doubt ANYONE on the home team would have been wearing dark (whether it be gray, red, blue or green) pants for a home game

    if anything, teams from that decade would have been wearing white pants for an away game, since a few teams didn’t even have “dark” pants to wear

    btw…if anyone can actually POST a pic of the 1976 AL all star squad, that’d be great…googled for one for 10 minutes (albeit, being interrupted a copule times) and came up empty…color photo preferably[/quote]

  • Geeman | July 28, 2009 at 4:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”342671″][quote comment=”342668″][quote comment=”342663″][quote comment=”342658″][quote comment=”342655″][quote](Of course I’m still remembering—and stuck on—that brief moment on-screen of an Indian in all-navy with red stirrups and red shoes. Wasn’t ‘75, btw;[/quote]

    well…definitely NOT ’75 since the AL was the home team — and hendrick wasn’t ON the 1976 AS team (although that home team — the NL — did pose with the pillboxes… but that game was in philly, where an ALer might have appeared in all blue

    when you find that pic, i’ll show you a blue horsey ;)[/quote]

    Home doesn’t mean shit. In ’75 game, in Milwaukee, Hendrick wears a navy jersey; Reggie wears kelly.

    As to Horseys…
    No, see, parallel thinking would be that an Indian player in an ASG decided to wear BROWN pants. There has be an absence of color logic for a truly positive negative correlation.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    No kidding about that, Palmer was in an orange top, Oakland players wearing three different tops and Hendricks wearing blue.[/quote]

    i know “home don’t mean shit” when we’re talking all star JERSEYS, particularly in that era when the brighter colors were in vogue

    im talkin about the pants

    i highly doubt ANYONE on the home team would have been wearing dark (whether it be gray, red, blue or green) pants for a home game

    if anything, teams from that decade would have been wearing white pants for an away game, since a few teams didn’t even have “dark” pants to wear

    btw…if anyone can actually POST a pic of the 1976 AL all star squad, that’d be great…googled for one for 10 minutes (albeit, being interrupted a copule times) and came up empty…color photo preferably[/quote][/quote]

    Mostly true, but the Indians wore all-red at home.

  • Brian | July 28, 2009 at 4:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”342595″]Somewhat off topic, but I’ve always wondered the same thing about players for teams like the Stanford Cardinal, Alabama Crimson Tide, Orlando Magic, etc. What is Vince Carter? A new Magician?[/quote]
    I don’t have the answer, but I just cannot fathom what Stanford was thinking when it came time to pick an athletic nickname. They’re named after a color, which is dumb enough, but the color itself is named after a garment that catholic cardinals wear.

    And their mascot is a tree.

  • Stuby | July 28, 2009 at 4:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”342673″][quote comment=”342595″]Somewhat off topic, but I’ve always wondered the same thing about players for teams like the Stanford Cardinal, Alabama Crimson Tide, Orlando Magic, etc. What is Vince Carter? A new Magician?[/quote]
    I don’t have the answer, but I just cannot fathom what Stanford was thinking when it came time to pick an athletic nickname. They’re named after a color, which is dumb enough, but the color itself is named after a garment that catholic cardinals wear.

    And their mascot is a tree.[/quote]
    They started out as the Indians, then went to Cardinals to be P.C., then for some unknown reason dropped the plural-ness. The tree comes from the school logo…

    http://tbn0.google.c...

  • Berto | July 28, 2009 at 4:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”342670″][quote comment=”342578″]2 thumbs down on the Phillie fan website…BOOOO![/quote]

    I agree. I’ll do what I damn want with my team jersey. My money. Only “rules” I personally defer to are I won’t put my name above a retired number. And that’s just personal preference – someone else wants to if 42’s their lucky number that’s fine.

    I won’t govern my fandom based on some d-bag’s personal peeve, and neither should you.[/quote]

    Yeah, I found it all a bit mean spirited. If you want to go out and get your own name then go for it. And get whatever number your want while your at it.

    Of course my favorite is when I can get a jersey for a player that also happens to have my name. I find that also makes for a fun gift for friends.

  • Nick | July 28, 2009 at 5:06 pm |

    What about Randall Gay ?? The Former Patriot and now Saint. He meets the criteria above.

  • timmy b | July 28, 2009 at 5:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”342666″]Way to go on the above, Timmy B.[/quote]

    yerrrrrrrr welcome! :-)

  • HIJKMNOP | July 28, 2009 at 5:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”342676″]What about Randall Gay ?? The Former Patriot and now Saint. He meets the criteria above.[/quote]

    Hasn’t been retired 3 years. Please see membership rules above.

    :)

  • LI Phil | July 28, 2009 at 5:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”342671″]In ’75 game, in Milwaukee, Hendrick wears a navy jersey; Reggie wears kelly.[/quote]

    indeed…he’s also in white pants (they’re all in white pants)

    larry and i wrote about it

    rick…not trying to pick a fight…i WANT there to be a all blue uni pic somewhere out there…i just think, like the blue bronco, it doesn’t exist

  • LI Phil | July 28, 2009 at 5:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”342679″][quote comment=”342671″]In ’75 game, in Milwaukee, Hendrick wears a navy jersey; Reggie wears kelly.[/quote]

    indeed…he’s also in white pants (they’re all in white pants)

    larry and i wrote about it

    rick…not trying to pick a fight…i WANT there to be a all blue uni pic somewhere out there…i just think, like the blue bronco, it doesn’t exist[/quote]

    hmmm…interestingly enough, reggie wore gold for the team photo but kelly for the game…

  • aflfan | July 28, 2009 at 6:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”342679″][quote comment=”342671″]In ’75 game, in Milwaukee, Hendrick wears a navy jersey; Reggie wears kelly.[/quote]

    indeed…he’s also in white pants (they’re all in white pants)

    larry and i wrote about it

    rick…not trying to pick a fight…i WANT there to be a all blue uni pic somewhere out there…i just think, like the blue bronco, it doesn’t exist[/quote]

    Would have been nice if Hammerin’ Hank would have faced forward for that photo.

  • flip | July 28, 2009 at 6:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”342500″]Never knew that the Kansas football stadium was so small.

    Also, I have never liked the track around the football field. It puts the fans too far away from the action and makes a stadium look even smaller.[/quote]

    Obviously, KU needed the new field because the old one wouldn’t support Trajan. http://farm4.static....

    http://www2.kusports...

    http://en.wikipedia....(typeface)

  • aflfan | July 28, 2009 at 6:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”342680″][quote comment=”342679″][quote comment=”342671″]In ’75 game, in Milwaukee, Hendrick wears a navy jersey; Reggie wears kelly.[/quote]

    indeed…he’s also in white pants (they’re all in white pants)

    larry and i wrote about it

    rick…not trying to pick a fight…i WANT there to be a all blue uni pic somewhere out there…i just think, like the blue bronco, it doesn’t exist[/quote]

    hmmm…interestingly enough, reggie wore gold for the team photo but kelly for the game…[/quote]

    Alvin Dark was in all white, a few were in Kelly and a couple were in gold.

  • Ricko | July 28, 2009 at 6:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”342679″][quote comment=”342671″]In ’75 game, in Milwaukee, Hendrick wears a navy jersey; Reggie wears kelly.[/quote]

    indeed…he’s also in white pants (they’re all in white pants)

    larry and i wrote about it

    rick…not trying to pick a fight…i WANT there to be a all blue uni pic somewhere out there…i just think, like the blue bronco, it doesn’t exist[/quote]

    Got photographic evidence of a brown horsey?

    Anyone?

    And someone explain to me again that logic about it being a “tribute” to the brown. Cuz, y’know everyone so LOVED that brown. I mean, seeing as how virtually all the Broncos’ promotional material for ’62 prominently mentions the new orange and blue color scheme, it only makes sense that they’d suddenly veer away from it to wistfully hang onto a bit of brown.
    (eyeroll)

    I just don’t get how someone could look at a B&W photo of that helmet, knowing the team’s new marketing position at the time, and think, “Yeah, but I bet the helmet horse is brown.” My first question to them would be, “Based on what?”

    Just sayin’….
    (Head not exploding, either.) ;)

    Or did you mean a color photo, either brown or blue, doesn’t exist? Probably does. Unfortunately it’s in a shoebox full of old photos in a Colorado basement somewhere, all belonging to someone’s dad…who died 15 years ago…and the children don’t have clue that there are people out there looking for it.

    —Ricko

  • =bg= | July 28, 2009 at 6:30 pm |

    ALL GREEN A’s uni. never seen that before. That’s….quite horrible.

  • Ricko | July 28, 2009 at 6:36 pm |

    Oh, I sure you’ve all been waiting for my take on this photo…
    http://farm4.static....

    First off, it’s a Plain Dealer photo, meaning it’s almost certainly black and white, and not a b&w print from a color negative (which can really screw around with the light-dark look of colors).
    Almost no daily newspaper sports photograhers shot color back then, especially not at night.

    Okay, so look at the front and side of Fosse’s pants near the waistline. There’s enough light on them that an area on the side of the jersey behind the chest protector should show similar lighter highlights…if the pants and jersey are the same color. But there are none. The jersey looks to be almost black by comparison.

    Also, the teeshirt or short undersleeve on his right arm appears to be the same color as the jersey itself, contrasting to the sleeve stripes, which are noticeably lighter.

    What would have concluded from all this back in the day?

    Well, Indians only wore navy sleeves, so the jersey must be navy with the standard red-white-red sleeve ends they wore (which establish how red generally is going to look in that photo).

    And the pants are red. The navy-white-navy waistband matches the jersey it adjoins, and both are obviously darker than the pants.

    Yup. Navy over red.

    —Ricko

  • BurghFan | July 28, 2009 at 6:41 pm |

    I was watching the trailer to Funny People and one scene features a framed St. Kilda guernsey.

    Eric Bana’s character must be a Saints fan.

    Bana said on Letterman last night that he’s a Saints fan, so it’s no surprise that his character would be.

  • Ricko | July 28, 2009 at 6:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”342685″]ALL GREEN A’s uni. never seen that before. That’s….quite horrible.[/quote]

    Ain’t dat da troot.

  • Ricko | July 28, 2009 at 7:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”342680″][quote comment=”342679″][quote comment=”342671″]In ’75 game, in Milwaukee, Hendrick wears a navy jersey; Reggie wears kelly.[/quote]

    indeed…he’s also in white pants (they’re all in white pants)

    larry and i wrote about it

    rick…not trying to pick a fight…i WANT there to be a all blue uni pic somewhere out there…i just think, like the blue bronco, it doesn’t exist[/quote]

    hmmm…interestingly enough, reggie wore gold for the team photo but kelly for the game…[/quote]

    It appeared the only one of the A’s who actually wore white for the “home” game in Milwaukee in ’75 was Claudell Washington.

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | July 28, 2009 at 7:16 pm |

    Lotta white shoes here.
    http://www.expressfa...

  • Ricko | July 28, 2009 at 7:20 pm |

    How many others did HOB (Hometown On Back)?
    http://www.expressfa...

  • Mike Engle | July 28, 2009 at 7:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”342691″]How many others did HOB (Hometown On Back)?
    http://www.expressfa...
    Great question. Slightly related: we can’t not mention Bill Voiselle’s jersey number 96 for his hometown Ninety-Six, SC.

  • JimV19 | July 28, 2009 at 7:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”342675″][quote comment=”342670″][quote comment=”342578″]2 thumbs down on the Phillie fan website…BOOOO![/quote]

    I agree. I’ll do what I damn want with my team jersey. My money. Only “rules” I personally defer to are I won’t put my name above a retired number. And that’s just personal preference – someone else wants to if 42’s their lucky number that’s fine.

    I won’t govern my fandom based on some d-bag’s personal peeve, and neither should you.[/quote]

    Yeah, I found it all a bit mean spirited. If you want to go out and get your own name then go for it. And get whatever number your want while your at it.[/quote]

    What else did you expect from the fans who booed Santa Claus? Makes me want to get a Mike Schmidt jersey with my name on it, just to mess with the guy.

  • JimV19 | July 28, 2009 at 7:43 pm |

    By the way, Mr. Boggs, if you have to ask to have your number retired, maybe you’re not that deserving. There’s been no public outcry about it, so that should tell you something. Not everyone great player should automatically have his number retired, so be happy with being a Hall of Famer.

  • Lwiedy | July 28, 2009 at 7:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”342692″][quote comment=”342691″]How many others did HOB (Hometown On Back)?
    http://www.expressfa...
    Great question. Slightly related: we can’t not mention Bill Voiselle’s jersey number 96 for his hometown Ninety-Six, SC.[/quote]

    Here you go: http://i256.photobuc...

  • Berto | July 28, 2009 at 8:47 pm |

    So on the subject of Rollie in a Red Sox uni here’s what I got:

    (Sorry about the glare, I was too lazy to take it out of the frame.)

    http://i807.photobuc...

    http://i807.photobuc...

    Here’s the the article titles:

    http://i807.photobuc...

    http://i807.photobuc...

    Also from that day:

    http://i807.photobuc...

    And one last bit of trivia:

    http://i807.photobuc...

  • Johnny O | July 28, 2009 at 8:47 pm |

    Don’t know if it has been mentioned… but I believe that Felipe Lopez of the Brewers is still wearing his Diamondbacks Phiten necklace. His necklace is red, when the Crew’s Phiten necklace is blue. So I am pretty sure that is what is going down.

    Here is a pic from Wiki:
    http://en.wikipedia....

  • LI Phil | July 28, 2009 at 8:50 pm |

    [quote]did you mean a color photo, either brown or blue, doesn’t exist?[/quote]

    im pretty sure there is no photo of a brown pony…im CERTAIN there is no photo of a blue one ;)

  • Jefferson D | July 28, 2009 at 9:32 pm |

    I don’t know if it was mentioned last night at all, but when Shawn Johnson (appropriate my spam word was “fine”)sang the 7th inning stretch at the Cubs game, she wore a Cubs jersey with a United Airlines patch on it. I couldn’t grab a pic of it, but that’s the first time I’ve seen sponsorship on someone doing that.

  • Ricko | July 28, 2009 at 9:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”342698″][quote]did you mean a color photo, either brown or blue, doesn’t exist?[/quote]

    im pretty sure there is no photo of a brown pony…im CERTAIN there is no photo of a blue one ;)[/quote]

    Because some self-proclaimed helmet expert looked at a b&w photo 30+ years later and decided–based on thin air and no reasonable logic whatosever—that the horse was brown, mocked up helmet and posted a photo on the Internet?

    Just as valid as my pronouncement that the Saints’ alledged black helmet actually was forest and metallic powder blue, to “honor” Tulane.

    I mean, I’ve never seen a color game-action photo of it. Has anyone?

    (tongue firmly planted in cheek)

    –Ricko

  • Brian | July 28, 2009 at 10:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”342696″]And one last bit of trivia:

    http://i807.photobuc...
    Pardon me if it’s really obvious and I just don’t know, but what’s that all about?

  • Berto | July 28, 2009 at 10:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”342701″][quote comment=”342696″]And one last bit of trivia:

    http://i807.photobuc...
    Pardon me if it’s really obvious and I just don’t know, but what’s that all about?[/quote]

    Ah, sorry. The top headline, I didn’t know the Indians nearly (or at least threatened to) moved to Oakland in ’66.

  • Ricko | July 28, 2009 at 10:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”342702″][quote comment=”342701″][quote comment=”342696″]And one last bit of trivia:

    http://i807.photobuc...
    Pardon me if it’s really obvious and I just don’t know, but what’s that all about?[/quote]

    Ah, sorry. The top headline, I didn’t know the Indians nearly (or at least threatened to) moved to Oakland in ’66.[/quote]

    Yeah, Oakland was St. Petersburg before St. Petersburg was. If you know what I mean.

  • aflfan | July 28, 2009 at 10:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”342703″][quote comment=”342702″][quote comment=”342701″][quote comment=”342696″]And one last bit of trivia:

    http://i807.photobuc...
    Pardon me if it’s really obvious and I just don’t know, but what’s that all about?[/quote]

    Ah, sorry. The top headline, I didn’t know the Indians nearly (or at least threatened to) moved to Oakland in ’66.[/quote]

    Yeah, Oakland was St. Petersburg before St. Petersburg was. If you know what I mean.[/quote]

    Just like I have a few of these in my collection

    http://media.photobu...

  • Zach | July 28, 2009 at 10:58 pm |

    Paul,

    I don’t know if this has been posted yet but Iowa has also changed their turf this year at Kinnick Stadium..they are switching from the natural stuff to field turf and is going to look like this

    http://www.hawkeyesp...;

  • JTH | July 28, 2009 at 11:07 pm |

    Really late to the party on this one, but I’ve got another nominee for the team: Ron Cox. He played from 1990-97, so he meets the criteria.

    Unfortunately, the only pic I can find showing his NOB is from the season he and Bryan Cox were both on the Bears (′97), so his NOB was “R. COX”.

  • Lion Fan Dan | July 28, 2009 at 11:07 pm |

    you forgot to add the tragically deceased jeff alm to your group. he fits all of the criteria. couldn’t find a link with a picture, but here is his stat page.

    http://www.nfl.com/p...

  • LI Phil | July 28, 2009 at 11:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”342706″]Really late to the party on this one, but I’ve got another nominee for the team: Ron Cox. He played from 1990-97, so he meets the criteria.

    Unfortunately, the only pic I can find showing his NOB is from the season he and Bryan Cox were both on the Bears (′97), so his NOB was “R. COX”.[/quote]

    and you know we love it when you show us pics of R. COX

  • Matthew Robins | July 28, 2009 at 11:23 pm |

    By buddy posted this on Facebook. Easy way to make a little cash for all of those aspiring logo designers out there!

    Chhay Tea
    “I am looking for someone to design a logo for a fundraising event I will hosting. The fundraiser is for how income urban housing. The logo should be catchy and appealing.” Baseline: $80 http://en.mymuto.com...

  • Brian | July 28, 2009 at 11:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”342703″][quote comment=”342702″][quote comment=”342701″][quote comment=”342696″]And one last bit of trivia:

    http://i807.photobuc...
    Pardon me if it’s really obvious and I just don’t know, but what’s that all about?[/quote]

    Ah, sorry. The top headline, I didn’t know the Indians nearly (or at least threatened to) moved to Oakland in ’66.[/quote]

    Yeah, Oakland was St. Petersburg before St. Petersburg was. If you know what I mean.[/quote]
    As someone who has lived in St. Petersburg his entire life, I know what you mean all too well.

  • Mayer | July 29, 2009 at 12:31 am |

    Mark Loretta is pitching for the Dodgers. He wears #5. Does this count as the latest single-digit wearing pitcher?

  • Matthew Robins | July 29, 2009 at 2:35 am |

    Paul!!!!!!!!!

    Stripes…

    http://www.thesartor...

  • Big Al | July 29, 2009 at 10:05 am |

    [quote comment=”342704″]Just like I have a few of these in my collection

    http://media.photobu...
    Cito > Clarence

  • Big Al | July 29, 2009 at 10:32 am |

    [quote comment=”342675″][quote comment=”342670″][quote comment=”342578″]2 thumbs down on the Phillie fan website…BOOOO![/quote]

    I agree. I’ll do what I damn want with my team jersey. My money. Only “rules” I personally defer to are I won’t put my name above a retired number. And that’s just personal preference – someone else wants to if 42’s their lucky number that’s fine.

    I won’t govern my fandom based on some d-bag’s personal peeve, and neither should you.[/quote]

    Yeah, I found it all a bit mean spirited. If you want to go out and get your own name then go for it. And get whatever number your want while your at it.[/quote]
    I thought that website was fantastic.

  • Dave K | July 29, 2009 at 2:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”342648″]ex-Cleveland rb Ben Gay. Tried googling a pic with NOB but came up ‘short’.

    Sorry[/quote]

    Why do you do something like that to your kid?