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And You Thought the War Was About WMDs Spreading Freedom Oil

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During last Tuesday’s Mets-themed shindig at Two Boots, Scott Turner (who’d been “accidentally” spilling beer and pizza on me all night in retaliation for my having declared him ineligible for the Mets uni quiz) sidled up to me and whispered, “I know what those Iraqi baseball uniforms are going to look like.”

He was referring, of course, to Iraq’s fledgling baseball team, whose inaugural uniforms are being made by Jerry Cohen of Ebbets Field Flannels.

“Oh,” I said, “Jerry showed you the design?”

“He didn’t show it to me — I worked on it myself.”

I raised an eyebrow, added a few more points to Scott’s column in the Coolest Guy on the Planet sweepstakes, and then got swept up in the rest of the evening’s frenzy (read: had several more beers). I’d forgotten all about our little exchange until Friday, when Jerry Cohen sent me this.

I sent Scott a quick note: “So you designed these?” Here’s his reponse:

Sort of. Jerry was given instructions — royal cap and jersey with new Iraq flag, gray pants, royal stirrups (check with Jerry on that, but yes, I think they asked for stirrups, or at least blue socks that would be visible). He passed that on to me with further instructions (general layout) and I put it all together. So I didn’t really design them, but what you see is me bringing instructions to fruition. I’m not the architect or developer here — I’m the contractor.

We both worked to make this as EFF Traditional as we could — the piping, the clean look, the lettering and numbers. We’d have preferred something in the national colors — red, black, green and white — and a shot at designing something timeless. But you work for your client. Ultimately, the only thing that matters is the Iraqi team feeling good about what they’re wearing. Jerry’s and my wishes don’t matter.

Not an earthshaking design from an aesthetic standpoint, natch, but it’s interesting to hear about the process, no?

Unfortunately, I then had to run upstate for the weekend (later on maybe I’ll tell you all how I had a chance to score free tickets to the induction ceremonies in Cooperstown and blew it because I forgot to bring my cell phone), so I didn’t get to ask Jerry about the socks, or follow up with Scott about the TNOB. I’ll try to get more info from them later. Meanwhile, look for a finished jersey to be unveiled shortly on The Rachel Maddow Show, which has been covering this story’s progression.

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Clevo Reminder: Remember, Uni Watch gathering in Cleveland this Thursday, 7pm, at the Prosperity Social Club. I believe one of our more prominent Pittsburgh-based readers may be in town for the proceedings, which should put the Rust Belt quotient into the red zone. Looking forward to it.

Uni Watch News Ticker: “Slight change” in store for Clemson’s football uniforms, according to a small item buried on this page — just search on the word “uniform” (with thanks to Benji Boyter). … Al Cummings attended a USA/Ireland rugby match way back in May. “One of the US players had his shorts ripped to shreds while pulling out of a tackle and needed to go to the bench for substitute shorts,” he says. … Back on Friday I mentioned that this softball helmet seemed to have a molded ponytail channel. I soon heard from Matt Savoie, who works for Schutt and informed me that the helmet in that photo was this Schutt model. The molded channel is called the Ponytail Port, a Schutt exclusive. … Vintage untucked-design hoops jersey here (thanks, Scott). … Nick Merklin notes that Joba Chamberlain didn’t have the Yankee Stadium cap patch on Friday night. … Did Brett Saberhagen always pitch with his sleeves rolled up, or just in that photo? … Those high-tech swimsuits that rewrote the record books have been banned. … Perfect gift for the Cowboys fan who has everything (with thanks to Brinke Guthrie). … Weird scene prior to Friday night’s Braves/Brewers game, as Ryan Church somehow ended up wearing Matt Diaz’s BP jersey (with thanks to Bo Brewer). … “I found an entire rack of baseball and softball jerseys at a vintage shop in Barcelona,” says Ed Westfield Jr. “I think they might be for Japanese corporate teams. Can anyone identify these further?” … Interesting report from Adam Chkautovich, who writes: “October 9-11, there will be a ‘world record’ baseball game. You know where this is going — they’re going to try to play 48-hour-long game here in St. Louis. Interesting thing about it is that they are going to re-create the 1944 World Series matchup with the St. Louis Cardinals and St. Louis Browns, including retro jerseys.” … The Giants will wear a memorial patch for owner Sue Burns today. … The Longhorns will wear throwbacks on Thanksgiving night. “The jerseys say ‘We Are Texas,'” says Ryder Kouba, “but the school’s famous Cronkite-narrated motto is ‘We’re Texas.’ Fuck Nike.” … John Wagner put his Uni Watch Stirrup Club hosiery to good use over the weekend. “The other teams went nuts for them,” he says. … Meanwhile, Greg Riffenburgh wore his new stirrups to an Angels game. … Some very unusual umpire attire on display here. Must have been a case of the umps’ luggage being lost — a topic we’ve covered before (screen shot courtesy of Chris Creamer). … Stomach-turning note from Tris Wykes, who writes: “During my time as a football student equipment manager at Minnesota, we used to give offensive tackle Mike Giovinetti a hard time about his hairy back. One day, he had a teammate shave his number into it (he’s posing there with running back Chuck Rios). The hirsute numerals were a big hit throughout the program.” … More Pat Patriot info here (with thanks to Mike Cooperman). … Lots of rumors about the Browns wearing brown pants this season (with thanks to Alex Kinkopf). … Andy Lasiewicz lives in China and took some baseball pics in Wuxi, Jiangsu Province. Among the more notable details: a uni number on the thigh, an unusual catcher’s helmet, and some team names in English, others in Chinese. … Here’s an awesome shot of a very long NOB. Bonus shot here (big thanks to Mako Mameli). … Andy Rawlings sent along a bunch of really great MISL pocket schedules. … The Twins’ new stadium will include bronze statues of Rod Carew and Harmon Killebrew, both of whom recently donned period uniforms and posed for photos that will be used by the sculptor (with thanks to Karl Anderson). … Despite my steadfast opposition to logo creep, I’d never complain about seeing the old ABC helmet logo anywhere, anytime. That scan, taken from an unused ABC logo decal, comes our way courtesy of Christopher Lampling. … Just what the world needed: DNOB — domain name on back. That’s from Saturday’s Burnley/Portland Timbers match (with thanks to Michael Orr). … New football uniforms for North Dakota. Key quote, from UND coach Chris Mussman: “Nike has a uniform builder; we played around with it and presented the uniform to the staff. That’s how we came up with it. It didn’t take that much time.” … Speaking of stirrups, check out this gorgeous pair of Colt .45 hose (awesome find by Paul Hirsch). … A new ACC rule change may lead to color-on-color football games (with thanks to Benji Boyter). … Let’s please have a round of applause for the incredible job Phil is doing on the weekends. Dude packs as much info into two days as I do into five. Kudos, buddy.

 

188 comments to And You Thought the War Was About WMDs Spreading Freedom Oil

  • Charlie | July 27, 2009 at 9:07 am |

    re: unusual Chinese catcher’s helmet

    Last week there was a softball tournament on ESPN (World Cup…or something?) and the Japanese catcher wore the same helmet. Couldn’t find a pic though.

  • mike | July 27, 2009 at 9:08 am |

    Chefs look to express themselves with uniforms http://www.boston.co...

  • Mark in Shiga | July 27, 2009 at 9:10 am |

    Those jerseys in Bo Brewer’s photo are definitely from Japanese amteur teams. Often they’ll put the city name on the sleeve; could you take some more photos of sleeves? Then we could tell where these teams are located.

    “Fujichu” could also be a junior high school. Fuji would be the name of the school (there are name cities and towns with names containing “Fuji” near that famous mountain), and “chu” means “middle”, as in middle school.

  • Jeremy Brahm | July 27, 2009 at 9:14 am |

    [quote comment=”342301″]Those jerseys in Bo Brewer’s photo are definitely from Japanese amteur teams. Often they’ll put the city name on the sleeve; could you take some more photos of sleeves? Then we could tell where these teams are located.

    “Fujichu” could also be a junior high school. Fuji would be the name of the school (there are name cities and towns with names containing “Fuji” near that famous mountain), and “chu” means “middle”, as in middle school.[/quote]

    We have seen these before, I am guessing that these maybe the samples that they make for teams so that they could show the players what they would look like from Mizuno, Asics and other Japanese manufacturers. With everything being computerized, I would expect to see fewer and fewer of these, but I guess sometimes in Japan they don’t update certain things.

    My guess is that the manufacturers keep these for a time and then just to clear inventory will sell them to vintage clothing exporters and say move them wherever you want. Hence Barcelona?

  • MPowers1634 | July 27, 2009 at 9:16 am |

    I am perhaps the biggest lover of anything Schutt on this site, however my daughter has had a ponytail helmet for some time now:

    http://i256.photobuc...

    Not a cool-flo…but this is what the ponytail mod looks like:

    http://www.premierat...

  • TMD | July 27, 2009 at 9:16 am |

    Considering that the quote had the words “Nike”, “uniform builder” and “played around”, the North Dakota jerseys are not that bad. I always hate those vertical stripes, but otherwise, it’s pretty nice.

    http://www.grandfork...

  • Hoolie | July 27, 2009 at 9:16 am |

    “Those high-tech swimsuits that rewrote the record books have been banned.” Really? Banned huh? So these dinosaurs must be all for wooden tennis rackets, wood drivers, straight hockey sticks and leather football helmets and canvas basketball shoes too I guess.

  • leon | July 27, 2009 at 9:20 am |

    I guess Harmon wore that uni at some time toward the end of his career, but I think it would look much less anachronistic if he were in baggy flannels. Also, no batting helmet, if they’re thinking of putting that on the sculpture. I saw him play with the Senators back in the day and the photo above just didn’t look right (not because he was in a Twins uniform; it was the sansabelt). I know alot of you out there are from ‘sota and even the Cities, so what do you think?

  • MPowers1634 | July 27, 2009 at 9:21 am |

    Check out this AWESOME sign that my friens snapped a picture of at the National Weather Service building:

    http://photos-f.ak.f...

    http://photos-c.ak.f...

  • Scott Davis | July 27, 2009 at 9:23 am |

    RE: “A new ACC rule change may lead to color-on-color football games”

    Is nothing sacred?

  • Dave | July 27, 2009 at 9:24 am |

    Hi there — a longtime uniwatch reader but first time poster — with a non-uni question, go figure.

    I’m visiting NYC from Toronto with 4 other couples and will be attending the Mets game next Sunday at ‘Shea’.

    Any suggestions on places to visit/eat/hang out etc. in the area after the game (other than the Candella Structures, natch)?

    Thanks — and keep up the great work, Paul & others.

  • Scott Davis | July 27, 2009 at 9:26 am |

    [quote comment=”342307″]Check out this AWESOME sign that my friens snapped a picture of at the National Weather Service building:

    http://photos-f.ak.f...

    http://photos-c.ak.f...

    It’s so hard to take that “Be hurricane prepared” sign seriously. He’s the most jovial killer I’ve ever seen.

  • another Josh | July 27, 2009 at 9:26 am |

    Possibly off-topic, but knowing this blog’s love of socks with logos on them I thought I would post this. While reading an article on the potential death of Croc shoes, I came across this photo of President Bush (II) wearing socks with what appears to be the presidential seal on them. Who knew that job came with custom hosiery?

  • LI Phil | July 27, 2009 at 9:26 am |

    WTF?

    im sure all the folks who went thru katrina appreciate the smiley face

    not sure what that has to do with unis, but i hope that sign is removed asap

    /sorry, the we geek in me coming thru
    //matt, any more vacation pics? surely the board wants some

  • Scott Davis | July 27, 2009 at 9:29 am |

    [quote comment=”342311″]Possibly off-topic, but knowing this blog’s love of socks with logos on them I thought I would post this. While reading an article on the potential death of Croc shoes, I came across this photo of President Bush (II) wearing socks with what appears to be the presidential seal on them. Who knew that job came with custom hosiery?[/quote]

    Do you have a link?

  • MPowers1634 | July 27, 2009 at 9:33 am |

    [quote comment=”342312″]WTF?

    im sure all the folks who went thru katrina appreciate the smiley face

    not sure what that has to do with unis, but i hope that sign is removed asap

    /sorry, the we geek in me coming thru
    //matt, any more vacation pics? surely the board wants some[/quote]

    It is uni-related because of our frequent discussions regarding these:

    http://www.tulsahurr...

    http://shop.nhl.com/...

    And no, vacation pics would definitely not be uni-banter, especially bikini pics on the beach.

  • another Josh | July 27, 2009 at 9:36 am |

    [quote comment=”342313″][quote comment=”342311″]Possibly off-topic, but knowing this blog’s love of socks with logos on them I thought I would post this. While reading an article on the potential death of Croc shoes, I came across this photo of President Bush (II) wearing socks with what appears to be the presidential seal on them. Who knew that job came with custom hosiery?[/quote]

    Do you have a link?[/quote]

    Sorry, messed up posting the link. Here’s the URL: http://www.littlerub...

  • Ricko | July 27, 2009 at 9:40 am |

    [quote comment=”342306″]I guess Harmon wore that uni at some time toward the end of his career, but I think it would look much less anachronistic if he were in baggy flannels. Also, no batting helmet, if they’re thinking of putting that on the sculpture. I saw him play with the Senators back in the day and the photo above just didn’t look right (not because he was in a Twins uniform; it was the sansabelt). I know alot of you out there are from ‘sota and even the Cities, so what do you think?[/quote]

    Only took a quick look at the photos, but my first thought was, “What the hell, why did they have Killebrew pose in the double knits???”

    As to the batting helmet, Killebrew wore an internal liner ala Ernie Banks and Ted Williams during all, or most of, the time the team was the Senators. Once they became the Twins, though, he used the typical hard hat.

    Second thought was that Carew’s pantlegs never bunched/bloused like that around the elastic bottoms. In the double knits, he was a taped pants, high-stirrups guy.

    —Ricko

  • MatZamboni | July 27, 2009 at 9:41 am |

    Re: Colt .45 stirrups…

    In the pic, notice the white elastic “extenders” on the bottom? That’s how we used to make stirrups longer during the “hot dog era” of the late ’70s.

  • leon | July 27, 2009 at 9:43 am |

    Possibly off-topic, but knowing this blog’s love of socks with logos on them I thought I would post this. While reading an article on the potential death of Croc shoes, I came across this photo of President Bush (II) wearing socks with what appears to be the presidential seal on them. Who knew that job came with custom hosiery?

    That helps explain this:

    http://money.cnn.com...

  • Ricko | July 27, 2009 at 9:44 am |

    [quote comment=”342315″][quote comment=”342313″][quote comment=”342311″]Possibly off-topic, but knowing this blog’s love of socks with logos on them I thought I would post this. While reading an article on the potential death of Croc shoes, I came across this photo of President Bush (II) wearing socks with what appears to be the presidential seal on them. Who knew that job came with custom hosiery?[/quote]

    Do you have a link?[/quote]

    Sorry, messed up posting the link. Here’s the URL: http://www.littlerub...

    Oh yeah, black low socks is a great look, isn’t it.

    Okay, okay, maybe for shaking the dew off the peonies.

    —Ricko

  • Namhob | July 27, 2009 at 9:47 am |

    [quote comment=”342314″][quote comment=”342312″]WTF?

    im sure all the folks who went thru katrina appreciate the smiley face

    not sure what that has to do with unis, but i hope that sign is removed asap

    /sorry, the we geek in me coming thru
    //matt, any more vacation pics? surely the board wants some[/quote]

    And no, vacation pics would definitely not be uni-banter, especially bikini pics on the beach.[/quote]
    I’m going to have to argue against that if any beach volleyball was played…

  • Ricko | July 27, 2009 at 9:50 am |

    [quote comment=”342317″]Re: Colt .45 stirrups…

    In the pic, notice the white elastic “extenders” on the bottom? That’s how we used to make stirrups longer during the “hot dog era” of the late ’70s.[/quote]

    We sure did.
    btw, I’ve been gently lobbying Robert Marshall to get those Colt .45s socks put on the list for the Stirrup Society (we’ll have to add our own elastic, of course).

    —Ricko

  • M.Princip | July 27, 2009 at 9:50 am |

    Hey Paul, might be too soon, however, do you foresee a Uniwatch gathering in Seattle this Fall? I’m workin’ up a new DYI ensemble to wear on Seahawks gameday, and would love to wear it at a Uniwatch gathering.

  • Scott Davis | July 27, 2009 at 9:51 am |

    [quote comment=”342318″]Possibly off-topic, but knowing this blog’s love of socks with logos on them I thought I would post this. While reading an article on the potential death of Croc shoes, I came across this photo of President Bush (II) wearing socks with what appears to be the presidential seal on them. Who knew that job came with custom hosiery?

    That helps explain this:

    http://money.cnn.com...

    He’s got the reverse-Midas touch. Everything he touches turns to crap.

  • Ricko | July 27, 2009 at 9:51 am |

    In my case, late ’60s.

    —Ricko

  • Paul Lukas | July 27, 2009 at 9:53 am |

    [quote comment=”342322″]Hey Paul, might be too soon, however, do you foresee a Uniwatch gathering in Seattle this Fall? I’m workin’ up a new DYI ensemble to wear on Seahawks gameday, and would love to wear it at a Uniwatch gathering.[/quote]

    I have no current travel plans for Seattle, sorry. But as I’ve always said, you don’t need me on hand to have a UW gathering — pick a time and place and I’ll promote it here on the site. You won’t get to meet me, but all the local readers will get to meet each other.

  • Scott Davis | July 27, 2009 at 9:56 am |

    [quote comment=”342324″]In my case, late ’60s.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    BTW, Ricko, nice get-up on Saturday ;^P

  • mike 2 | July 27, 2009 at 9:57 am |

    The very long NOB is coach Marty Schottenheimer, from when he played with the Buffalo Bills.

  • M.Princip | July 27, 2009 at 9:57 am |

    [quote comment=”342325″][quote comment=”342322″]Hey Paul, might be too soon, however, do you foresee a Uniwatch gathering in Seattle this Fall? I’m workin’ up a new DYI ensemble to wear on Seahawks gameday, and would love to wear it at a Uniwatch gathering.[/quote]

    I have no current travel plans for Seattle, sorry. But as I’ve always said, you don’t need me on hand to have a UW gathering — pick a time and place and I’ll promote it here on the site. You won’t get to meet me, but all the local readers will get to meet each other.[/quote]

    True true, will do.

  • leon | July 27, 2009 at 9:59 am |

    [quote comment=”342327″]The very long NOB is coach Marty Schottenheimer, from when he played with the Buffalo Bills.[/quote]

    Oooh.! I was thinking he had a lot of teammates named “Bill”.

    :)

  • Ricko | July 27, 2009 at 10:01 am |

    [quote comment=”342326″][quote comment=”342324″]In my case, late ’60s.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    BTW, Ricko, nice get-up on Saturday ;^P[/quote]

    Hey, it was my birthday. Plus, was playing 1b and wanted to make sure all those old farts on my team could see me okay.

    —Ricko

  • Mark in Shiga | July 27, 2009 at 10:04 am |

    Jeremy, I hadn’t thought of that; those could indeed be samples. We really need to see those sleeves! They do look well-worn, though…

    Or, come to think of it, the backs. Sample jerseys don’t often have numbers on the backs, but jerseys actually used in leagues always do.

  • Ricko | July 27, 2009 at 10:10 am |

    [quote comment=”342331″]Jeremy, I hadn’t thought of that; those could indeed be samples. We really need to see those sleeves! They do look well-worn, though…

    Or, come to think of it, the backs. Sample jerseys don’t often have numbers on the backs, but jerseys actually used in leagues always do.[/quote]

    And, of course, if they were all small sizes. Most samples are. Take up less room–and weigh less–in the sample case. Likewise for shipping to prospective customers.

  • JTH | July 27, 2009 at 10:11 am |
  • Mark in Shiga | July 27, 2009 at 10:13 am |

    I just noticed the link to the Iraq baseball jersey designs!

    I like them, but I’m not a fan of the two-line IRAQ BASEBALL above the number. It really looks unbalanced. IRAQ, then the number, then BASEBALL would be much better.

  • Brandon | July 27, 2009 at 10:15 am |

    [quote comment=”342304″]Considering that the quote had the words “Nike”, “uniform builder” and “played around”, the North Dakota jerseys are not that bad. I always hate those vertical stripes, but otherwise, it’s pretty nice.

    http://www.grandfork...

    In addition to the new football unis, the University of North Dakota has also released a “New Artwork” document that highlights new logos, workdmarks and a new font for all UND athletics. This all seems to be in an effort to distance themselves form the controversial “Fighting Sioux” nickname and confusion with Notre Dame’s interlocking ND. (Story goes: We had it first, they trademarked it first, they allow us to use it.)

    On the new uniforms, as a player on the football team I’m pretty disappointed in what appears to be screen printed numbers, especially considering we’ve had tackle twill stitched numbers for the past 7 years or so with our old unis. I’m excited to compare the feel and fit of the new ones though.

    New Artwork: http://www.und.edu/d...

    Old Helmet: http://www.siouxpix....

    Old Unis: Home: http://www.siouxpix....
    Away: http://www.siouxpix....

  • Ricko | July 27, 2009 at 10:18 am |

    [quote comment=”342333″]NoooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

    YeeeeeeessSSSSSSSSSSSSS![/quote]

    The rare No. 2 Pencil-Nosed Japanese Woodpecker?

  • Prexy Hater | July 27, 2009 at 10:19 am |

    Color on Color. Another reason that the ACC and ALL college conferences should be disbanded, and have college sports organized by one centralized body…

  • JTH | July 27, 2009 at 10:19 am |

    (Stupid?) question: what material are those Iraq unis made from? They’re not actually wool flannel, are they? I’m betting that’s a negative, but I have to ask.

  • Ricko | July 27, 2009 at 10:19 am |

    [quote comment=”342336″][quote comment=”342333″]NoooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

    YeeeeeeessSSSSSSSSSSSSS![/quote]

    The rare No. 2 Pencil-Nosed Japanese Woodpecker?[/quote]

    (The second link, that is)

  • Geeman | July 27, 2009 at 10:23 am |

    Very interesting discussion on this site over the weekend about the Indians’ mid-1970s uniforms (all-blue, blue on red, white on red). I’d love to see follow up with visuals.

    Here’s the accepted history, but as we know it is not always correct (e.g., Pirates aren’t shown in all nine combos):

    http://exhibits.base...

  • Ricko | July 27, 2009 at 10:31 am |

    [quote comment=”342335″][quote comment=”342304″]Considering that the quote had the words “Nike”, “uniform builder” and “played around”, the North Dakota jerseys are not that bad. I always hate those vertical stripes, but otherwise, it’s pretty nice.

    http://www.grandfork...

    In addition to the new football unis, the University of North Dakota has also released a “New Artwork” document that highlights new logos, workdmarks and a new font for all UND athletics. This all seems to be in an effort to distance themselves form the controversial “Fighting Sioux” nickname and confusion with Notre Dame’s interlocking ND. (Story goes: We had it first, they trademarked it first, they allow us to use it.)

    On the new uniforms, as a player on the football team I’m pretty disappointed in what appears to be screen printed numbers, especially considering we’ve had tackle twill stitched numbers for the past 7 years or so with our old unis. I’m excited to compare the feel and fit of the new ones though.

    New Artwork: http://www.und.edu/d...

    Old Helmet: http://www.siouxpix....

    Old Unis: Home: http://www.siouxpix....
    Away: http://www.siouxpix....

    You there while Bowenkamp was still there?
    I was at his wedding in Tampa (girl friend was longtime friend of groom’s family).
    Not a bad life for John: QB at NDU, marry a former Dallas Cowboy cheerleader, sign as a free agent with your hometown Vikings and play a season in NFL Europe with the Rhein Fire backing up Drew Henson and Timmy Chang (John wore #4 during his one training camp with the Vikings, btw).
    Ben Utecht (former Gopher, Colt and now Bengal TE) sang at the wedding.

    Not name dropping at all, just remembering of the most fun weddings I ever attended (including my own two, LOL).

    —Ricko

  • JTH | July 27, 2009 at 10:31 am |

    [quote comment=”342303″]I am perhaps the biggest lover of anything Schutt on this site, however my daughter has had a ponytail helmet for some time now:

    http://i256.photobuc...

    Not a cool-flo…but this is what the ponytail mod looks like:

    http://www.premierat...
    It’s funny that Schutt refers to that trench thingy as a “ponytail port” because the hole in your daughter’s helmet is way more port-like than that thing. In fact, “ponytail port” is the term I’ve been using for the helmet holes since the first time I saw one a few years ago.

    It seems like the Schutt idea might make more sense than the hole, though. I’ve never seen a girl with a ponytail actually put it through one of those holes in the back of the helmet.

    And that’s way more than I ever thought I would be writing on the subject of ponytail-accommodating protective headwear.

  • We Got Ns In The Backfield | July 27, 2009 at 10:38 am |

    Oh I sure hope the Browns break out the brown pants again this season. They look awesome!

  • Ricko | July 27, 2009 at 10:40 am |

    [quote comment=”342343″]Oh I sure hope the Browns break out the brown pants again this season. They look awesome![/quote]

    And a long-haired guy will diagram their plays on a whiteboard?
    Thirty seconds at a time, of course.

  • Ricko | July 27, 2009 at 10:42 am |

    “Daddy, why do the players legs look like Tootsie Rolls?”

  • ren | July 27, 2009 at 10:44 am |

    does anyone know if MLB Game Worn Jerseys of the Double Knit Era (1970-2007), 4th edition by Bill Henderson is a book or a movie?

  • Robert Eden (formerly Robert in Dallas) | July 27, 2009 at 10:44 am |

    [quote comment=”342312″]WTF?

    im sure all the folks who went thru katrina appreciate the smiley face

    not sure what that has to do with unis, but i hope that sign is removed asap

    /sorry, the we geek in me coming thru
    //matt, any more vacation pics? surely the board wants some[/quote]

    1. You gotta lighten up, my man.

    2. Katrina is hardly the only hurricane that caused major damage and wrought havok in thousands of people’s lives.

  • leon | July 27, 2009 at 10:46 am |

    Oh I sure hope the Browns break out the brown pants again this season.

    Are you referring to those rowdy characters who wear the rubber masks?

  • leon | July 27, 2009 at 10:57 am |

    2. Katrina is hardly the only hurricane that caused major damage and wrought havok in thousands of people’s lives.

    Note: The word wrought is sometimes assumed to be the past tense of wreak, as the phrases wreak havoc and wrought havoc are both commonly used. In fact, wrought havoc is not as common as wreaked havoc. Whether wrought is considered as the past tense of wreak or of work, wrought havoc has essentially the same meaning, encouraging
    the confusion. Etymologically, however, wrought is only the past tense of work.

    :)

  • LI Phil | July 27, 2009 at 11:01 am |

    [quote comment=”342347″][quote comment=”342312″]WTF?

    im sure all the folks who went thru katrina appreciate the smiley face

    not sure what that has to do with unis, but i hope that sign is removed asap

    /sorry, the we geek in me coming thru
    //matt, any more vacation pics? surely the board wants some[/quote]

    1. You gotta lighten up, my man.

    2. Katrina is hardly the only hurricane that caused major damage and wrought havok in thousands of people’s lives.[/quote]

    sorry…i actually had written more than katrina when i first started that post, but shortened it

    and as a former mod of two wx boards, many of those in the affected areas (before, during and after a storm) don’t think little smiley faces on hurricanes are so funny

    im sure a lot of people thought this was hysterical until it leveled cancun, cozumel and headed for new orleans right after katrina

    but yes, im well aware of the many destructive and deadly canes to affect the us and elsewhere

  • Matt B | July 27, 2009 at 11:11 am |

    Re the ACC link:

    I have no objection to color-v-color per se. Now that B&W TVs are no longer a concern, the NEED for white-v-color has gone the way of the dodo. That said, the door is open for some really terrible combos to appear. I wouldn’t mind a change to the club soccer tradition of having Primary / Alternate / 3rd jerseys so that, more often than not, the schools get to wear their preferred gear (so long as it is distinct from the home team’s unis).

    Also, buried at the bottom of the link was a repeal of the 7-men-on-the-line rule. Get ready for a bunch of tackle-eligible plays in the ACC season.

  • TMD | July 27, 2009 at 11:11 am |

    I found this photo of the Bowling Green High School soccer team. I’ll say that the jersey idea is creative, but I’m not sure how I feel of copying Manchester United’s AIG logo. Even if this isn’t really a sponsor.

    http://sent-trib.com...

  • anotherguy | July 27, 2009 at 11:15 am |

    [quote comment=”342349″]Note: The word wrought is sometimes assumed to be the past tense of wreak, as the phrases wreak havoc and wrought havoc are both commonly used. In fact, wrought havoc is not as common as wreaked havoc. Whether wrought is considered as the past tense of wreak or of work, wrought havoc has essentially the same meaning, encouraging
    the confusion. Etymologically, however, wrought is only the past tense of work.[/quote]
    What hath Uniwatch wrought?

  • Ricko | July 27, 2009 at 11:18 am |

    Thank you for not saying,
    “When hath Uni Watch wreaked?’

  • mmwatkin | July 27, 2009 at 11:19 am |

    [quote comment=”342350″][quote comment=”342347″][quote comment=”342312″]WTF?

    im sure all the folks who went thru katrina appreciate the smiley face

    not sure what that has to do with unis, but i hope that sign is removed asap

    /sorry, the we geek in me coming thru
    //matt, any more vacation pics? surely the board wants some[/quote]

    1. You gotta lighten up, my man.

    2. Katrina is hardly the only hurricane that caused major damage and wrought havok in thousands of people’s lives.[/quote]

    sorry…i actually had written more than katrina when i first started that post, but shortened it

    and as a former mod of two wx boards, many of those in the affected areas (before, during and after a storm) don’t think little smiley faces on hurricanes are so funny

    im sure a lot of people thought this was hysterical until it leveled cancun, cozumel and headed for new orleans right after katrina

    but yes, im well aware of the many destructive and deadly canes to affect the us and elsewhere[/quote]

    http://i729.photobuc...

  • anotherguy | July 27, 2009 at 11:19 am |

    [quote comment=”342353″]…bronze statues of Rod Carew and Harmon Killebrew, both of whom recently donned period uniforms and posed for photos that will be used by the sculptor…[/quote]
    Compared to their playing days, both of them are still in great shape. But no matter what, we’re talking about two players who were in MLB in the late 1960’s; there should be a lot of readily available photographic evidence of their actual stances or follow-thru’s.

  • Geeman | July 27, 2009 at 11:20 am |

    [quote comment=”342351″]Re the ACC link:

    I have no objection to color-v-color per se. Now that B&W TVs are no longer a concern, the NEED for white-v-color has gone the way of the dodo. That said, the door is open for some really terrible combos to appear. I wouldn’t mind a change to the club soccer tradition of having Primary / Alternate / 3rd jerseys so that, more often than not, the schools get to wear their preferred gear (so long as it is distinct from the home team’s unis).

    Also, buried at the bottom of the link was a repeal of the 7-men-on-the-line rule. Get ready for a bunch of tackle-eligible plays in the ACC season.[/quote]

    I fell in love with the UCLA-USC game as a kid, and part of it had to do, I’m sure, with the color of USC cardinal vs. UCLA blue. But I think the whole color on color thing will get, like most everything with uniforms these days, out of hand quickly. With throwbacks, alternates, and mix-and-matches, it’s getting absurd. I say that as someone who likes an alternate jersey and a little color now and then, too.

  • anotherguy | July 27, 2009 at 11:22 am |

    [quote comment=”342354″]”When hath Uni Watch wreaked?'[/quote]Don’t thank me, thank that Morse guy.

    Speaking of which, there was some chatter about you and the telegraph scoreboard Saturday…. :-))

  • anotherguy | July 27, 2009 at 11:27 am |

    [quote comment=”342358″]New football uniforms for North Dakota…[/quote]Some of this may be caused by the University looking to migrate to their official name, losing the word “Sioux” as it is under fire from the NCAA.

  • Ricko | July 27, 2009 at 11:38 am |

    [quote comment=”342358″][quote comment=”342354″]”When hath Uni Watch wreaked?'[/quote]Don’t thank me, thank that Morse guy.

    Speaking of which, there was some chatter about you and the telegraph scoreboard Saturday…. :-))[/quote]

    Yup. In fact, I invented the concept of a “handle,” which would become popular with CB radios decades later.

    Mine was “One Long”.

    http://instantrimsho...

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | July 27, 2009 at 11:47 am |

    And then the Tour Guide said,
    “As you can see, it’s a slow day here at Uni Watch.
    And we’re walking, we’re walking…”

  • Berto | July 27, 2009 at 11:49 am |

    [quote comment=”342359″][quote comment=”342358″]New football uniforms for North Dakota…[/quote]Some of this may be caused by the University looking to migrate to their official name, losing the word “Sioux” as it is under fire from the NCAA.[/quote]

    Wouldn’t want to get “siouxed.” Or is it “siouxought?”

  • Geeman | July 27, 2009 at 11:56 am |

    A slow day, yes, which is why I tried to revive the discussion of the Indians’ mid-1970s uniform combinations. Anyone? Bueller?

  • Ricko | July 27, 2009 at 11:56 am |

    Hey, Teebz, run that Hockey Day in Minnesota date by everyone again. If you’re coming to Twin Cities, might as well get Squiddie and Tris Wykes and others ’round these parts and start planning a UW gathering at Nye’s or somewhere.

    (I’d definitely be open to suggestions regarding the place; mentioned Nye’s cuz the last one was there).

    —Ricko

  • Squiddie | July 27, 2009 at 11:58 am |

    Swindon Town FC will be sponsored by the video game FIFA 10 this season.

    Kotaku link

    Looking forward to beating Man U with Swindon Town. Every single time.

  • anotherguy | July 27, 2009 at 12:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”342360″]Mine was “One Long”.
    [/quote]
    Yes, in the same way as the way the obese guy is called Tiny, or the incredibly taciturn Russian hockey coach was called Chuckles…

    ;-)

  • Ricko | July 27, 2009 at 12:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”342363″]A slow day, yes, which is why I tried to revive the discussion of the Indians’ mid-1970s uniform combinations. Anyone? Bueller?[/quote]

    Well, to recap…
    I mentioned to Phil that I remember seeing a quick look at some Indian (an outfielder, I thought) in all-navy in an ASG.
    Later added might have (probably was?) George Hendrick, because he played very little and wasn’t on camera long.
    Someone else said they’d seen it—and it WAS Hendrick–during an ASG replay on MLB Network.
    I think that’s where we left off.
    Did we ever get the specific year?

    Also, someone else said they were pretty sure they’d seen navy-over-red.

    Anything new on either combo?

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | July 27, 2009 at 12:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”342366″][quote comment=”342360″]Mine was “One Long”.
    [/quote]
    Yes, in the same way as the way the obese guy is called Tiny, or the incredibly taciturn Russian hockey coach was called Chuckles…

    ;-)[/quote]

    I left that up to conjecture.
    Made me a man of mystery.

  • interlockingtc | July 27, 2009 at 12:07 pm |

    The Carew and Killebrew photos made my day.

    Yeah, Killer should have been in the double knits…still, I think it’s great that those two are being memorialized.

  • Ricko | July 27, 2009 at 12:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”342369″]The Carew and Killebrew photos made my day.

    Yeah, Killer should have been in the double knits…still, I think it’s great that those two are being memorialized.[/quote]

    Hopefully, someone will KrazyGlue a Willie Norwood bobblehead at the foot of one of them.

  • anotherguy | July 27, 2009 at 12:09 pm |

    Ricko, I’ll ask a uni-related question while it’s quiet: During the late 1960’s/early 1970’s “red” phase for the White Sox, did their stirrups officially have a “White Sock within the diamond” design on them?

    I don’t recall seeing this on the field; but over the weekend I did see a Spring Training publicity-style picture (pretty sure it was Joel Horlen) and this seemed to be on the stirrup.

    I did a quick Google Image search for “horlen” and “white Sox” but couldn’t come up with anything either way.

  • Ricko | July 27, 2009 at 12:11 pm |

    Damn, I meant to include “interlocking tc” on the list of UWers to help drum up a Minnesota get-together.
    (Can you tell I’m having an all-time slow day at work today?)

    I’ll shut up for a while. LOL

    —ricko

  • JSS | July 27, 2009 at 12:12 pm |

    Here is what I have heard about the new Pitt football uniforms (unsure of a release date).

    Pitt will be adding white pants this year. Each Pant will have a strip down them (white pant have blue stripe with gold outline) Blue pant has gold stripe with white outline, and Gold pant has white stripe with blue outline.

    The jerseys are going to much more simplistic. Little “Pitt” at the “v” in the neck (similar to the “A” for Alabama. The Jerseys will not have drop shadowing or any other piping/stripes on the jerseys. They will also have either TV numbers or sleeve numbers. The blue jerseys will have gold numbers with white outline, the white jerseys will have blue numbers with gold outlines.

    I have heard they will have a stripe on the helmet down the middle, but am not sure of this either. Just an FYI.

    Has anyone else heard anything?

  • Kerry P | July 27, 2009 at 12:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”342350″][quote comment=”342347″][quote comment=”342312″]WTF?

    im sure all the folks who went thru katrina appreciate the smiley face

    not sure what that has to do with unis, but i hope that sign is removed asap

    /sorry, the we geek in me coming thru
    //matt, any more vacation pics? surely the board wants some[/quote]

    1. You gotta lighten up, my man.

    2. Katrina is hardly the only hurricane that caused major damage and wrought havok in thousands of people’s lives.[/quote]

    sorry…i actually had written more than katrina when i first started that post, but shortened it

    and as a former mod of two wx boards, many of those in the affected areas (before, during and after a storm) don’t think little smiley faces on hurricanes are so funny

    im sure a lot of people thought this was hysterical until it leveled cancun, cozumel and headed for new orleans right after katrina

    but yes, im well aware of the many destructive and deadly canes to affect the us and elsewhere[/quote]
    I’ve been through Andrew, Katrina and Gustav (last year). Living in south Louisiana or anywhere on the gulf coast – hurricanes are a fact of life. Personally, I don’t find anything wrong about the sign. It isn’t making fun of the victims or the storms.

  • Ricko | July 27, 2009 at 12:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”342371″]Ricko, I’ll ask a uni-related question while it’s quiet: During the late 1960’s/early 1970’s “red” phase for the White Sox, did their stirrups officially have a “White Sock within the diamond” design on them?

    I don’t recall seeing this on the field; but over the weekend I did see a Spring Training publicity-style picture (pretty sure it was Joel Horlen) and this seemed to be on the stirrup.

    I did a quick Google Image search for “horlen” and “white Sox” but couldn’t come up with anything either way.[/quote]

    Was a white sock in a CIRCLE, and yes was part of the uni. I posted a great color shot from SI of Gene “BeBe” Richard’s cleats and socks late Saturday night (can’t flickr at work). Otherwise, google “Wilbur Wood, White Sox” and I’ll bet you find photos that show them on his stirrups. Likewise, Dick Allen, Bill Melton…others of that era.

    —Ricko

  • anotherguy | July 27, 2009 at 12:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”342375″]
    Was a white sock in a CIRCLE, and yes was part of the uni. I posted a great color shot from SI of Gene “BeBe” Richard’s cleats and socks late Saturday night (can’t flickr at work). Otherwise, google “Wilbur Wood, White Sox” and I’ll bet you find photos that show them on his stirrups. Likewise, Dick Allen, Bill Melton…others of that era.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Thanks, I’ll have to google later: but to change the subject, I think it was “Bee Bee” and AFAIK his real name wasn’t Gene. Perhaps it was Lee???

  • Ricko | July 27, 2009 at 12:24 pm |

    Not so great, but can see the logo here…
    http://www.psacard.c...
    and here…
    http://www.gasolinea...
    Here…
    http://images.google...
    Here…
    http://www.expressfa...

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | July 27, 2009 at 12:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”342376″][quote comment=”342375″]
    Was a white sock in a CIRCLE, and yes was part of the uni. I posted a great color shot from SI of Gene “BeBe” Richard’s cleats and socks late Saturday night (can’t flickr at work). Otherwise, google “Wilbur Wood, White Sox” and I’ll bet you find photos that show them on his stirrups. Likewise, Dick Allen, Bill Melton…others of that era.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Thanks, I’ll have to google later: but to change the subject, I think it was “Bee Bee” and AFAIK his real name wasn’t Gene. Perhaps it was Lee???[/quote]

    Yup, my bad. Was Lee.

  • LI Phil | July 27, 2009 at 12:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”342375″][quote comment=”342371″]Ricko, I’ll ask a uni-related question while it’s quiet: During the late 1960’s/early 1970’s “red” phase for the White Sox, did their stirrups officially have a “White Sock within the diamond” design on them?

    I don’t recall seeing this on the field; but over the weekend I did see a Spring Training publicity-style picture (pretty sure it was Joel Horlen) and this seemed to be on the stirrup.

    I did a quick Google Image search for “horlen” and “white Sox” but couldn’t come up with anything either way.[/quote]

    Was a white sock in a CIRCLE, and yes was part of the uni. I posted a great color shot from SI of Gene “BeBe” Richard’s cleats and socks late Saturday night (can’t flickr at work). Otherwise, google “Wilbur Wood, White Sox” and I’ll bet you find photos that show them on his stirrups. Likewise, Dick Allen, Bill Melton…others of that era.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    here ya go

  • Ricko | July 27, 2009 at 12:31 pm |

    Specifically, doesn’t matter much except as a measure of time…
    1971…First MLBer I ever saw in adidas. Meaning first time anything but plain black cleats. Looked SOOOOO different.
    http://2.bp.blogspot...

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | July 27, 2009 at 12:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”342380″]Specifically, doesn’t matter much except as a measure of time…
    1971…First MLBer I ever saw in adidas. Meaning first time anything but plain black cleats. Looked SOOOOO different.
    http://2.bp.blogspot...

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Doesn’t mean he wore ’em first, just was first game I saw on TV that season.

  • MPowers1634 | July 27, 2009 at 12:41 pm |

    I am perhaps the biggest lover of anything Schutt on this site, however my daughter has had a ponytail helmet for some time now:

    http://i256.photobuc

    Not a cool-flo…but this is what the ponytail mod looks like:

    http://www.premierat

    It’s funny that Schutt refers to that trench thingy as a “ponytail port” because the hole in your daughter’s helmet is way more port-like than that thing. In fact, “ponytail port” is the term I’ve been using for the helmet holes since the first time I saw one a few years ago.

    It seems like the Schutt idea might make more sense than the hole, though. I’ve never seen a girl with a ponytail actually put it through one of those holes in the back of the helmet.

    And that’s way more than I ever thought I would be writing on the subject of ponytail-accommodating protective headwear.

    I must be your muse!

  • Kek | July 27, 2009 at 12:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”342373″]Here is what I have heard about the new Pitt football uniforms (unsure of a release date).

    Pitt will be adding white pants this year. Each Pant will have a strip down them (white pant have blue stripe with gold outline) Blue pant has gold stripe with white outline, and Gold pant has white stripe with blue outline.

    The jerseys are going to much more simplistic. Little “Pitt” at the “v” in the neck (similar to the “A” for Alabama. The Jerseys will not have drop shadowing or any other piping/stripes on the jerseys. They will also have either TV numbers or sleeve numbers. The blue jerseys will have gold numbers with white outline, the white jerseys will have blue numbers with gold outlines.

    I have heard they will have a stripe on the helmet down the middle, but am not sure of this either. Just an FYI.

    Has anyone else heard anything?[/quote]
    Thanks for passing on, I hadn’t heard anything about these yet.

    I think someone posted a general inquiry last week as to any release info but there is a Nike practice tee in the merch page on the Pitt site.

  • Hibbsy | July 27, 2009 at 12:57 pm |

    I don’t want the Browns to wear brown pants.

    But if they did…

    Put the socks from the third pair of pants from the left with the brown pants WITH stripes.

    http://farm2.static....

  • slam | July 27, 2009 at 1:08 pm |

    Why don’t the Browns try wearing a matte dark tan/ light brown pants (similar to old canvas pants)? It would be a neutral colour that could be used with both jerseys and still offer some contrast.

  • David T | July 27, 2009 at 1:09 pm |

    Wow, Killebrew looks like he could still knock one over the fence today. Too bad he can’t pitch, or else the Twins would sign him.

  • slam | July 27, 2009 at 1:11 pm |

    My daughter wears the Cool-Flo and, while it does not a “port” or “channel” built into the shell. There is a gap in the padding at the back of the head that allows for a ponytail to fit through somewhat.

  • Jonathan | July 27, 2009 at 1:17 pm |

    This is not Uni related… but i figure maybe someo of you could help me out. I am going to flying out to Philly this week for work, and wondered if anyone had any suggestions of places i should see while there?

  • Brandon | July 27, 2009 at 1:18 pm |

    Ricko-

    No, he graduated the year before I got there. We did follow his career pretty closely though. We now have three former players playing for the Saskatewan Roughriders as well as Kleinsasser for the Vikings which is exciting.

  • Greenie | July 27, 2009 at 1:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”342368″][quote comment=”342366″][quote comment=”342360″]Mine was “One Long”.
    [/quote]
    Yes, in the same way as the way the obese guy is called Tiny, or the incredibly taciturn Russian hockey coach was called Chuckles…

    ;-)[/quote]

    I left that up to conjecture.
    Made me a man of mystery.[/quote]

    My uncle is Tiny, and his little brother with polio they called Animal (never would sit down). And did I mention Animal’s white cat Blackie?

  • RS Rogers | July 27, 2009 at 1:22 pm |

    Regarding the Killebrew photo, Killer only ever wore that uniform in his final two seasons with the Twins. Killebrew is the most iconic player of the Twins’ first pinstripe era, so it just seems wrong to have him pose for sculptural immortality in the powder blues.

    Makes me wonder if this relates in any way to possible uniform redesigns for the Twins’ new ballpark next season.

  • anotherguy | July 27, 2009 at 1:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”342390″]
    My uncle is Tiny, and his little brother with polio they called Animal (never would sit down). And did I mention Animal’s white cat Blackie?[/quote]
    Where I grew up there was two overweight guys: one was “Slim” and the other was “Fatso”. No rhyme or reason to these things sometimes. :-)

    OTOH, I doubt those nicknames are handed out to kids today.

  • Michael Lewis | July 27, 2009 at 1:28 pm |

    The Saberhagen question. Sometimes yes…

    http://www.prosports...
    http://www.checkoutm...

    Sometimes no…

    http://thekellerworl...

    Sometimes no, but had really short sleeves…

    http://www.checkoutm...
    http://www.checkoutm...
    http://www.checkoutm...

    I haven’t found anything after 1995 with either shorter than normal sleeves or rolled up sleeves. To me, it looks like it ended upon his arrival in Colorado.

  • Valjean | July 27, 2009 at 1:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”342356″][quote comment=”342353″]…bronze statues of Rod Carew and Harmon Killebrew, both of whom recently donned period uniforms and posed for photos that will be used by the sculptor…[/quote]
    Compared to their playing days, both of them are still in great shape. But no matter what, we’re talking about two players who were in MLB in the late 1960’s; there should be a lot of readily available photographic evidence of their actual stances or follow-thru’s.[/quote]

    I was wondering about this too: why put them in uniforms (inaccurate ones at that, at least for Killebrew) and base the statues in some way on how they remember their stance (not to mention their current, um, physique)? But they probably remember well enough that this helps in gathering data for the 3D nature of a sculpture, e.g., photographing looks from various angles. Old photos would obviously be more accurate from (literally) one perspective, but perhaps sculpting from a series of 2D images requires too much extrapolation?

    This might also explain why Killebrew is in doubleknits (and no helmet): doesn’t matter what uni he’s wearing since it’s just being used for markers. One would hope the artist isn’t going to leave him in that — and ideally doesn’t even use it for drapery, fit, and even texture. Maybe something to check for when they unveil it …

  • anotherguy | July 27, 2009 at 1:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”342375″]
    Was a white sock in a CIRCLE, and yes was part of the uni. I posted a great color shot from SI of Gene “BeBe” Richard’s cleats and socks late Saturday night…[/quote]We were looking at those pictures only a few hours apart. Some sort of cosmic synch-up. :-)

    [quote comment=”342375″]…(can’t flickr at work)… [/quote]I think they told George Costanza not to flickr at work, correct?

    “Is that sort of thing frowned upon here?”

  • jon in b-lo | July 27, 2009 at 1:35 pm |

    T.O.’s nose bumper:
    http://sportsillustr...
    Never seen the Bills use those before. I never thought T.O. sported a shield either.

  • Philly Al in NoCal | July 27, 2009 at 1:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”342388″]This is not Uni related… but i figure maybe someo of you could help me out. I am going to flying out to Philly this week for work, and wondered if anyone had any suggestions of places i should see while there?[/quote]

    The historic sites around Independence Hall are obvious must-sees; I’m particularly fond of Washington Square.

    The Reading Terminal Market is a great spot for lunch (get your cheese steak there and skip Pat’s or Geno’s).

    Run up the steps at the Art Museum and pretend your Rocky.

  • Squiddie | July 27, 2009 at 1:40 pm |

    1967 Killebrew

    Keep hoping there are more of this set. At the moment there are only 3 and this is the only one where he’s batting in a game.

  • anotherguy | July 27, 2009 at 1:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”342394″]
    I was wondering about this too: why put them in uniforms (inaccurate ones at that, at least for Killebrew) and base the statues in some way on how they remember their stance (not to mention their current, um, physique)? But they probably remember well enough that this helps in gathering data for the 3D nature of a sculpture, e.g., photographing looks from various angles. Old photos would obviously be more accurate from (literally) one perspective, but perhaps sculpting from a series of 2D images requires too much extrapolation?[/quote]
    I see what you’re saying. But OTOH we have plenty of statues of say, Red Grange or Jim Thorpe or people like that; greats of their time, with the evidence solely pictorial.

    I’m sure a lot of this was publicity-I just think they could have gotten as much PR out of creating the models and bringing in Carew & Killebrew to view them, critique them, etc.

    It just seems that inevitably your clothes fit differently at age X than during your playing days. To me, posing them in uniform today seems counter-productive.

  • Teebz | July 27, 2009 at 1:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”342364″]Hey, Teebz, run that Hockey Day in Minnesota date by everyone again. If you’re coming to Twin Cities, might as well get Squiddie and Tris Wykes and others ’round these parts and start planning a UW gathering at Nye’s or somewhere.

    (I’d definitely be open to suggestions regarding the place; mentioned Nye’s cuz the last one was there).

    —Ricko[/quote]

    February 23, 2010 is the date, but the festivities leading up to that day go on all week. If I can swing it, I’m hoping to pull off a Thurs-Fri-Sat deal, and be back in the Great White North by Sunday afternoon.

    Personally, Nye’s was nice, but I could use something a little more hockey-ish or sportsy. The food was fantastic, but it’s a tight squeeze in that lounge.

    Of course, these dates may conflict with my new job (details to come on that one as I don’t want to jinx anything yet).

  • LI Phil | July 27, 2009 at 1:56 pm |

    [quote]these dates may conflict with my new job (details to come on that one)[/quote]

    a new zoo review?

  • Teebz | July 27, 2009 at 1:57 pm |

    The Toledo Walleyes, the newest ECHL team, have introduced Spike to their fans.

  • Teebz | July 27, 2009 at 1:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”342401″][quote]these dates may conflict with my new job (details to come on that one)[/quote]

    a new zoo review?[/quote]

    Much, much bigger than that (in my opinion). And it sticks with my undying passion for hockey.

  • Geeman | July 27, 2009 at 2:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”342367″][quote comment=”342363″]A slow day, yes, which is why I tried to revive the discussion of the Indians’ mid-1970s uniform combinations. Anyone? Bueller?[/quote]

    Well, to recap…
    I mentioned to Phil that I remember seeing a quick look at some Indian (an outfielder, I thought) in all-navy in an ASG.
    Later added might have (probably was?) George Hendrick, because he played very little and wasn’t on camera long.
    Someone else said they’d seen it—and it WAS Hendrick–during an ASG replay on MLB Network.
    I think that’s where we left off.
    Did we ever get the specific year?

    Also, someone else said they were pretty sure they’d seen navy-over-red.

    Anything new on either combo?

    —Ricko[/quote]

    The same source on the navy on red said there was also WHITE ON RED. Good gosh, that’s an awful thought. But I bet a lot of one-and-one unis went under the radar back then.

    As an aside, the uniform book does not show the Indians wearing white at all from 1975-77, but the web site Dressed to the Nines does.

    Calling all Indian fans from the Caveman lettering era. . . .

  • Geeman | July 27, 2009 at 2:03 pm |

    Make that “one-and-done,” above. Sorry for the fat fingers. — Tiny.

  • Berto | July 27, 2009 at 2:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”342397″][quote comment=”342388″]This is not Uni related… but i figure maybe someo of you could help me out. I am going to flying out to Philly this week for work, and wondered if anyone had any suggestions of places i should see while there?[/quote]

    The historic sites around Independence Hall are obvious must-sees; I’m particularly fond of Washington Square.

    The Reading Terminal Market is a great spot for lunch (get your cheese steak there and skip Pat’s or Geno’s).

    Run up the steps at the Art Museum and pretend your Rocky.[/quote]

    Save up an appetite and go to Pat’s get a cheesesteak. Eat it, then go across the street to Geno’s get a cheesesteak. Eat it and report back as to which one you like better.

  • Mark K | July 27, 2009 at 2:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”342351″]Re the ACC link:

    I have no objection to color-v-color per se. Now that B&W TVs are no longer a concern, the NEED for white-v-color has gone the way of the dodo. That said, the door is open for some really terrible combos to appear. I wouldn’t mind a change to the club soccer tradition of having Primary / Alternate / 3rd jerseys so that, more often than not, the schools get to wear their preferred gear (so long as it is distinct from the home team’s unis).

    Also, buried at the bottom of the link was a repeal of the 7-men-on-the-line rule. Get ready for a bunch of tackle-eligible plays in the ACC season.[/quote]

    First off, these rule changes are NCAA changes. They just happened to be mentioned during an ACC event. All the divisions of NCAA football play under the same rulebook.

    The rule not requiring 7 men on the line has been rewritten to say “no more than 4 in the backfield”. Essentially the same requirement with 11 players but it now removes the cases where the offense would be flagged when they only had 10 players in the game (some lineman was missing). It’s largely sematics.

    A player with an ineligible number (50-79) is always ineligible to receive an untouched forward pass in college football, regardless of position. There is no “reporting” to the referee as in the NFL. No tackle-eligible plays in NCAA.

  • Snowdan | July 27, 2009 at 2:27 pm |

    Count me in as someone who’d be interested in a Minnesota gathering – there are lots of great bars in North East (nordeast) Minneapolis, though if you dare cross the river a good place could be the Happy Gnome or Muddy Pig in Saint Paul!

  • Mark K | July 27, 2009 at 2:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”342406″]
    Save up an appetite and go to Pat’s get a cheesesteak. Eat it, then go across the street to Geno’s get a cheesesteak. Eat it and report back as to which one you like better.[/quote]

    For what it’s worth the last time I was in Philly I ate at Gino’s and there was a guy and his wife who were doing just that. He said Gino’s was by far the better choice- it wasn’t even close. I also prefer Gino’s but never had them both back-to-back.

  • JRJR | July 27, 2009 at 2:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”342406″][quote comment=”342397″][quote comment=”342388″]This is not Uni related… but i figure maybe someo of you could help me out. I am going to flying out to Philly this week for work, and wondered if anyone had any suggestions of places i should see while there?[/quote]

    The historic sites around Independence Hall are obvious must-sees; I’m particularly fond of Washington Square.

    The Reading Terminal Market is a great spot for lunch (get your cheese steak there and skip Pat’s or Geno’s).

    Run up the steps at the Art Museum and pretend your Rocky.[/quote]

    Save up an appetite and go to Pat’s get a cheesesteak. Eat it, then go across the street to Geno’s get a cheesesteak. Eat it and report back as to which one you like better.[/quote]

    Gotta say, DiNic’s at the Reading Terminal is going to be MUCH better than Pat’s or Geno’s. Try the pulled pork(watch ’em pull it) with sharp provolone and roasted hot peppers. I think they make a decent cheesesteak too, but the pork is where it’s at. You’ll see.

    Plus you can walk to the Terminal from the historic district.

    Washington Square and Old City have good dinner spots. Check this out.

    http://foobooz.com/

  • anotherguy | July 27, 2009 at 2:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”342403″] And it sticks with my undying passion for hockey.[/quote]
    Hockey in…. all locations?

    ;-)

    I’m just kidding with you Teebz. Good luck.

  • Ricko | July 27, 2009 at 2:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”342403″][quote comment=”342401″][quote]these dates may conflict with my new job (details to come on that one)[/quote]

    a new zoo review?[/quote]

    Much, much bigger than that (in my opinion). And it sticks with my undying passion for hockey.[/quote]

    You’re finally getting to drive the Zamboni??????

  • Ricko | July 27, 2009 at 2:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”342408″]Count me in as someone who’d be interested in a Minnesota gathering – there are lots of great bars in North East (nordeast) Minneapolis, though if you dare cross the river a good place could be the Happy Gnome or Muddy Pig in Saint Paul![/quote]

    Hold those thoughts. We’ll revisit them in, what, November or so? To make sure the place does go skitzy when they see a bunch of us show up looking we just debussed (that’s like deplaned).

    —Ricko

    —Ricko

  • Teebz | July 27, 2009 at 2:43 pm |

    That’s a negative to both previous guesses. But I will be inside an arena doing this potential new job with my laptop in front of me.

    And I personally have Paul and Phil to thank for their help in helping me get this position (if the PR manager okays my hiring).

    Since I’ve given away most of the secrets, I’ve been narrowed down as one of two people the local AHL team wants to speak to regarding their paid blogger position.

    I submitted my blog as proof of commitment, as well as the few articles on here that Phil has asked me to collaborate on. Because of Paul’s encouragement to start my own blog, I have a lot of material.

    The guys at the local AHL team were extremely impressed with the work (so they said), and I am competing against “a local celebrity” for the position. The production guy, however, said he was really looking for someone who know hockey inside and out for the position, and he thought I had a better advantage over this local D-list celeb.

    So I may be getting paid to cover the home games this year. I don’t want to mention the name of the team, however, out of pure superstition and fear of jinxing my chances. LOL

  • Jason | July 27, 2009 at 2:45 pm |

    This is a great sports blog you have. We sports bloggers have to stick together. Wondering if we can exchange links. Let me know what you think.

    Jason

  • Ricko | July 27, 2009 at 2:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”342414″]That’s a negative to both previous guesses. But I will be inside an arena doing this potential new job with my laptop in front of me.

    And I personally have Paul and Phil to thank for their help in helping me get this position (if the PR manager okays my hiring).

    Since I’ve given away most of the secrets, I’ve been narrowed down as one of two people the local AHL team wants to speak to regarding their paid blogger position.

    I submitted my blog as proof of commitment, as well as the few articles on here that Phil has asked me to collaborate on. Because of Paul’s encouragement to start my own blog, I have a lot of material.

    The guys at the local AHL team were extremely impressed with the work (so they said), and I am competing against “a local celebrity” for the position. The production guy, however, said he was really looking for someone who know hockey inside and out for the position, and he thought I had a better advantage over this local D-list celeb.

    So I may be getting paid to cover the home games this year. I don’t want to mention the name of the team, however, out of pure superstition and fear of jinxing my chances. LOL[/quote]

    AHL? So it’s, like, the Islanders?

  • Hott Rodd | July 27, 2009 at 2:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”342414″]That’s a negative to both previous guesses. But I will be inside an arena doing this potential new job with my laptop in front of me.

    And I personally have Paul and Phil to thank for their help in helping me get this position (if the PR manager okays my hiring).

    Since I’ve given away most of the secrets, I’ve been narrowed down as one of two people the local AHL team wants to speak to regarding their paid blogger position.

    I submitted my blog as proof of commitment, as well as the few articles on here that Phil has asked me to collaborate on. Because of Paul’s encouragement to start my own blog, I have a lot of material.

    The guys at the local AHL team were extremely impressed with the work (so they said), and I am competing against “a local celebrity” for the position. The production guy, however, said he was really looking for someone who know hockey inside and out for the position, and he thought I had a better advantage over this local D-list celeb.

    So I may be getting paid to cover the home games this year. I don’t want to mention the name of the team, however, out of pure superstition and fear of jinxing my chances. LOL[/quote]

    Wait.. so will your byline be Teebz? or will the man behind the curtain be revealed?

  • Teebz | July 27, 2009 at 2:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”342416″][quote comment=”342414″]That’s a negative to both previous guesses. But I will be inside an arena doing this potential new job with my laptop in front of me.

    And I personally have Paul and Phil to thank for their help in helping me get this position (if the PR manager okays my hiring).

    Since I’ve given away most of the secrets, I’ve been narrowed down as one of two people the local AHL team wants to speak to regarding their paid blogger position.

    I submitted my blog as proof of commitment, as well as the few articles on here that Phil has asked me to collaborate on. Because of Paul’s encouragement to start my own blog, I have a lot of material.

    The guys at the local AHL team were extremely impressed with the work (so they said), and I am competing against “a local celebrity” for the position. The production guy, however, said he was really looking for someone who know hockey inside and out for the position, and he thought I had a better advantage over this local D-list celeb.

    So I may be getting paid to cover the home games this year. I don’t want to mention the name of the team, however, out of pure superstition and fear of jinxing my chances. LOL[/quote]

    AHL? So it’s, like, the Islanders?[/quote]

    I’m hoping they roll through here. It would be the most fans they’ve seen since the late-1980s. LOL

  • LI Phil | July 27, 2009 at 2:51 pm |

    [quote]I am competing against “a local celebrity” for the position.[/quote]

    that narrows it down to anna paquin and chuckles the clown…

  • Teebz | July 27, 2009 at 2:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”342417″]
    Wait.. so will your byline be Teebz? or will the man behind the curtain be revealed?[/quote]

    No idea yet, but I’d prefer to keep things uniform. If they ask me to go by my real name, I’d do so. After all, opportunities like this only come along once in a blue moon (or whatever cliché you’d like to use).

  • Hott Rodd | July 27, 2009 at 2:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”342420″][quote comment=”342417″]
    Wait.. so will your byline be Teebz? or will the man behind the curtain be revealed?[/quote]

    No idea yet, but I’d prefer to keep things uniform. If they ask me to go by my real name, I’d do so. After all, opportunities like this only come along once in a blue moon (or whatever cliché you’d like to use).[/quote]

    Oh i’m sure. My comment was mostly tongue in cheek. I really do hope you can beat out Kathy Griffin for the job..

  • Teebz | July 27, 2009 at 2:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”342419″][quote]I am competing against “a local celebrity” for the position.[/quote]

    that narrows it down to anna paquin and chuckles the clown…[/quote]

    Anna hasn’t been back here in ages, and clowns scare too many people.

    My guess is that it’s some local personality looking for an additional payday. The previous guy was a comedian, and his blog entries were the opposite of funny.

    Oh, and he never spoke about hockey – which was kind of the whole point of working for a hockey team. LOL

  • Teebz | July 27, 2009 at 2:56 pm |

    Ok, I gotta get back to building a fence. I’m on holidays this week, so expect a fury of comments from me as the week progresses.

    Take it easy, everyone! I’ll be back later!

    … and yes, that’s your warning. LOL

  • Ricko | July 27, 2009 at 2:58 pm |

    Will there be unis for this soon?
    http://www.asylum.co...|wbml-aol|dl4|link3|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.asylum.com%2F2009%2F07%2F22%2Fman-breaks-record-by-skating-down-roller-coaster%2F

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | July 27, 2009 at 3:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”342424″]Will there be unis for this soon?
    http://www.asylum.co...|wbml-aol|dl4|link3|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.asylum.com%2F2009%2F07%2F22%2Fman-breaks-record-by-skating-down-roller-coaster%2F

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Kinda a version of my idea for the NRDDSPRL.
    National Roller Derby Down Spiral Parking Ramps League.

  • Dan Klempner | July 27, 2009 at 3:10 pm |

    Regarding the Japanese jerseys in Barcelona: I don’t have any info, but earlier this year I was visiting Minneapolis and found a similar rack at a place called Ragstock and came home with a couple of gems. If you live there, check it out.

  • interlockingtc | July 27, 2009 at 3:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”342372″]Damn, I meant to include “interlocking tc” on the list of UWers to help drum up a Minnesota get-together.
    (Can you tell I’m having an all-time slow day at work today?)

    I’ll shut up for a while. LOL

    —ricko[/quote]
    Thanks for thinking of me, Ricko. Afraid I couldn’t afford the travel expense, though, I’m on the west coast.

  • Hott Rodd | July 27, 2009 at 3:44 pm |

    Looks like Vick is back off the banned list for NFL Jerseys..

    http://www.nfl.com/

  • Matt B | July 27, 2009 at 3:46 pm |

    Mark K — thanks for setting me straight.

    Dan Klempner — There’s also a Ragstock in Madison with similar merch.

  • LI Phil | July 27, 2009 at 4:16 pm |

    and in a move sure to catapult the mets into first…the new favorite whipping boy is gone

  • aflfan | July 27, 2009 at 4:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”342431″]and in a move sure to catapult the mets into first…the new favorite whipping boy is gone[/quote]

    I thought for sure this was an article about the rest of the teams in the NL East folding as of today.

  • Teebz | July 27, 2009 at 4:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”342431″]and in a move sure to catapult the mets into first…the new favorite whipping boy is gone[/quote]

    Rumour has it that the Mets approached Dana White as their new VP of Player Development. Apparently, they weren’t happy with their prospects’ latest results from the last UFC. LOL

  • JoeS | July 27, 2009 at 4:58 pm |

    The geniuses at Homestarrunner.com advocate proper uniforms: http://www.homestarr...

  • Bob A | July 27, 2009 at 5:04 pm |

    [quote comment=\”342309\”]Hi there — a longtime uniwatch reader but first time poster — with a non-uni question, go figure.

    I\’m visiting NYC from Toronto with 4 other couples and will be attending the Mets game next Sunday at \’Shea\’.

    Any suggestions on places to visit/eat/hang out etc. in the area after the game (other than the Candella Structures, natch)?

    Thanks — and keep up the great work, Paul & others.[/quote]
    Agnanti Greek Restaurant. You can thank me later.

  • Bob A | July 27, 2009 at 5:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”342309″]Hi there — a longtime uniwatch reader but first time poster — with a non-uni question, go figure.

    I’m visiting NYC from Toronto with 4 other couples and will be attending the Mets game next Sunday at ‘Shea’.

    Any suggestions on places to visit/eat/hang out etc. in the area after the game (other than the Candella Structures, natch)?

    Thanks — and keep up the great work, Paul & others.[/quote]

    Here is the Agnanti website. Turn off your speakers before clicking. But it is a great place.

  • LarryB | July 27, 2009 at 5:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”342327″]The very long NOB is coach Marty Schottenheimer, from when he played with the Buffalo Bills.[/quote]

    http://lh4.ggpht.com...

    http://lh4.ggpht.com...

    http://lh5.ggpht.com...

  • Bernard Shakey | July 27, 2009 at 5:20 pm |

    Hey,

    I’m the guy from the Cleveland caveman era. I emailed Paul the photo of navy over red (it is a black and white photo of Ray Fosse in a game against the Red Sox). Although black and white, you can clearly spot the subtle difference in shade and definitely can spot the difference in the sleeve piping between the navy (red/white/red) and the red jerseys (white/navy/white). I was hoping that Paul would link the photo today for you guys, my computer abilities are limited due to school being out and therefore always last in line for the computer.

    I knew that I was a uniform geek in 1976, when I wrote repeated requests to the Indians to wear the all white unis more often. I was 7. Like many of you, I drew up my favorite uniform shirt on an old undershirt. I can still draw the caveman font very well.

    My memory of the white over red combination is very fleeting. We were staying with friends on a farm in Millersburg (Amish Country) and the only source of news was yesterday’s paper fetched from town. On morning, a photo of Rick Manning appeared and I was astonished that he was wearing white over red in the photo. I asked all of the adults to please save me that paper, or at least the photo because of the uniform. My sister didn’t get the memo as it was instead used to help start the bonfire that night. Everybody else thought it was funny, I still wish I had the photo. I have never found photographic evidence of this combination since. Additionally, the Indians of that era NEVER had navy pants. NEVER. Believe me, I was there and I was paying CLOSE attention.

    P.S. If anyone can track down a Daly’s (fruit drinks) poster showing individual photos of Indians players from 1977, you’ll find some examples of the navy over red in color. Fred Kendall is wearing that combo in the poster. No, my name is not Rainman and I have flown on other airlines than Qantas.

  • anotherguy | July 27, 2009 at 5:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”342412″]You’re finally getting to drive the Zamboni??????[/quote]
    Ricko!!! Quiet!

    Some people here don’t know that the last letter of Teebz’ handle stands for Zamboni. You’re going to blow his cover!

    [quote comment=”342414″]…paid blogger…[/quote]
    Good work in not letting on that you’d actually do it for free as long as you got to sit in the press box with access to the Internet.

    :-)

  • LI Phil | July 27, 2009 at 5:35 pm |

    [quote]…paid blogger…[/quote]

    wait…what the hell is that?

  • anotherguy | July 27, 2009 at 5:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”342437″]http://lh4.ggpht.com/_bQ-9YGBlBzs/Sm4Wu7AGCfI/AAAAAAAANwU/uAZq9lUmNAM/s512/vree.jpg

    http://lh4.ggpht.com...

    http://lh5.ggpht.com... even guess the game: I’ll settle for guess the stadium.

    It’s not War Memorial, and it’s cold…. doesn’t seem to be Denver, KC or NYC…so where?

  • anotherguy | July 27, 2009 at 5:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”342440″]wait…what the hell is that?[/quote]Today, it’s the same thing as a “successful job hunter”.

  • Teebz | July 27, 2009 at 5:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”342442″][quote comment=”342440″]wait…what the hell is that?[/quote]Today, it’s the same thing as a “successful job hunter”.[/quote]

    AKA… I have nothing to do at night in a city where it’s cold enough to freeze the balls off a brass monkey, and would prefer to be paid to watch hockey. LOL

  • Carl | July 27, 2009 at 5:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”342400″][quote comment=”342364″]Hey, Teebz, run that Hockey Day in Minnesota date by everyone again. If you’re coming to Twin Cities, might as well get Squiddie and Tris Wykes and others ’round these parts and start planning a UW gathering at Nye’s or somewhere.

    (I’d definitely be open to suggestions regarding the place; mentioned Nye’s cuz the last one was there).

    —Ricko[/quote]

    February 23, 2010 is the date, but the festivities leading up to that day go on all week. If I can swing it, I’m hoping to pull off a Thurs-Fri-Sat deal, and be back in the Great White North by Sunday afternoon.

    Personally, Nye’s was nice, but I could use something a little more hockey-ish or sportsy. The food was fantastic, but it’s a tight squeeze in that lounge.

    Of course, these dates may conflict with my new job (details to come on that one as I don’t want to jinx anything yet).[/quote]

    …why not one of the bars near the Xcel Center? Tom Reid’s is big enough, uber-hockey atmosphere and two blocks from the X. I’m sure that they’d swing some special treatment for an event too. Yea, West 7th Street isn’t as schwanky as St. Anthony Main, downtown Minneapolis, etc. but you’re not going to get a better hockey experience than the St. Paul pubs during winter.

  • joe | July 27, 2009 at 5:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”342441″][quote comment=”342437″]http://lh4.ggpht.com/_bQ-9YGBlBzs/Sm4Wu7AGCfI/AAAAAAAANwU/uAZq9lUmNAM/s512/vree.jpg

    http://lh4.ggpht.com...

    http://lh5.ggpht.com... even guess the game: I’ll settle for guess the stadium.

    It’s not War Memorial, and it’s cold…. doesn’t seem to be Denver, KC or NYC…so where?[/quote]

    looks like war memorial to me, home jerseys and the triangular bottom of the scoreboard can be seen in this pic
    http://www.forgotten...
    plus you can also see the same looking railings in the aisles.

  • Ricko | July 27, 2009 at 6:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”342444″][quote comment=”342400″][quote comment=”342364″]Hey, Teebz, run that Hockey Day in Minnesota date by everyone again. If you’re coming to Twin Cities, might as well get Squiddie and Tris Wykes and others ’round these parts and start planning a UW gathering at Nye’s or somewhere.

    (I’d definitely be open to suggestions regarding the place; mentioned Nye’s cuz the last one was there).

    —Ricko[/quote]

    February 23, 2010 is the date, but the festivities leading up to that day go on all week. If I can swing it, I’m hoping to pull off a Thurs-Fri-Sat deal, and be back in the Great White North by Sunday afternoon.

    Personally, Nye’s was nice, but I could use something a little more hockey-ish or sportsy. The food was fantastic, but it’s a tight squeeze in that lounge.

    Of course, these dates may conflict with my new job (details to come on that one as I don’t want to jinx anything yet).[/quote]

    …why not one of the bars near the Xcel Center? Tom Reid’s is big enough, uber-hockey atmosphere and two blocks from the X. I’m sure that they’d swing some special treatment for an event too. Yea, West 7th Street isn’t as schwanky as St. Anthony Main, downtown Minneapolis, etc. but you’re not going to get a better hockey experience than the St. Paul pubs during winter.[/quote]

    Thought about Reid’s, yes.

  • mmwatkin | July 27, 2009 at 6:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”342434″]The geniuses at Homestarrunner.com advocate proper uniforms: http://www.homestarr...

    I don’t know what the hell that was…was but it was most definitely not created by a “genius”

  • anotherguy | July 27, 2009 at 6:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”342445″]
    looks like war memorial to me, home jerseys and the triangular bottom of the scoreboard can be seen in this pic
    http://www.forgotten...
    plus you can also see the same looking railings in the aisles.[/quote]
    Okay.

    Somehow War Memorial in color seems less ancient. :-)

  • Lwiedy | July 27, 2009 at 6:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”342393″]The Saberhagen question. Sometimes yes…

    http://www.prosports...
    http://www.checkoutm...

    Sometimes no…

    http://thekellerworl...

    Sometimes no, but had really short sleeves…

    http://www.checkoutm...
    http://www.checkoutm...
    http://www.checkoutm...

    I haven’t found anything after 1995 with either shorter than normal sleeves or rolled up sleeves. To me, it looks like it ended upon his arrival in Colorado.[/quote]

    The sleeve flip was quite popular with the Royals in the late ‘80s:
    Bo: https://www.ecoupons...
    Danny Tartabull: http://www.mattspena...
    Mark Gubicza: http://image2.online...
    Frank White: http://spln.imageg.n...
    Frank was the first guy (on the Royals) to do this, as early as 1980 with the larger sleeve stripes. He would do a “half-fold”: http://www.checkoutm...

  • Chris | July 27, 2009 at 6:22 pm |

    We’re Texas, We are Texas, don’t they mean the same thing?

    What’s the big deal?

  • Kyle | July 27, 2009 at 6:43 pm |

    According to Dominic James’ Facebook and a Marquette message board, Marquette will be making the switch to Jumpman to follow Wade. This brings up the possibility of new uniforms.

    http://www.muscoop.c...

  • Mark | July 27, 2009 at 6:48 pm |

    The new UFL announced that their official jersey supplier will be GameWear Team Sports. Never heard of them, but their website has a snazy build your own jersey machine for multiple sports.

    Also, the UFL will unveil uniforms on Aug 4th and 5th, cant wait to see the rundown of these sure to be beauts! ;)

  • MPowers1634 | July 27, 2009 at 7:01 pm |

    According to Dominic James’ Facebook and a Marquette message board, Marquette will be making the switch to Jumpman to follow Wade. This brings up the possibility of new uniforms.

    http://www.muscoop.c

    For the past few years, at least since Nike acquired Converse, Marquette’s gear has been listed on sites like Eastbay alongside all of the other Nike NCAA swag.

    Some players have even been seen on court wearing Nike headbands during gameplay.

  • MPowers1634 | July 27, 2009 at 7:03 pm |

    The geniuses at Homestarrunner.com advocate proper uniforms: http://www.homestarr

    I don’t know what the hell that was…was but it was most definitely not created by a “genius”

    If you want a laugh…go to Strong Bad e-mails and look up “Office Dullard”…one of my favorite goof-off sites.

  • Joey Harvey | July 27, 2009 at 7:44 pm |

    The Huntsville Stars Minor League Baseball team are auctioning off game-used alternate blue jerseys to benefit charity.

    Some of these jerseys have been worn by Major Leaguers and top Brewers prospects. A link to the article is here:

    http://web.minorleag...

  • LI Phil | July 27, 2009 at 7:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”342438″]Hey,

    I’m the guy from the Cleveland caveman era. I emailed Paul the photo of navy over red (it is a black and white photo of Ray Fosse in a game against the Red Sox). Although black and white, you can clearly spot the subtle difference in shade and definitely can spot the difference in the sleeve piping between the navy (red/white/red) and the red jerseys (white/navy/white). I was hoping that Paul would link the photo today for you guys, my computer abilities are limited due to school being out and therefore always last in line for the computer.

    I knew that I was a uniform geek in 1976, when I wrote repeated requests to the Indians to wear the all white unis more often. I was 7. Like many of you, I drew up my favorite uniform shirt on an old undershirt. I can still draw the caveman font very well.

    My memory of the white over red combination is very fleeting. We were staying with friends on a farm in Millersburg (Amish Country) and the only source of news was yesterday’s paper fetched from town. On morning, a photo of Rick Manning appeared and I was astonished that he was wearing white over red in the photo. I asked all of the adults to please save me that paper, or at least the photo because of the uniform. My sister didn’t get the memo as it was instead used to help start the bonfire that night. Everybody else thought it was funny, I still wish I had the photo. I have never found photographic evidence of this combination since. Additionally, the Indians of that era NEVER had navy pants. NEVER. Believe me, I was there and I was paying CLOSE attention.

    P.S. If anyone can track down a Daly’s (fruit drinks) poster showing individual photos of Indians players from 1977, you’ll find some examples of the navy over red in color. Fred Kendall is wearing that combo in the poster. No, my name is not Rainman and I have flown on other airlines than Qantas.[/quote]

    hey…

    paul forwarded me the pic (it’s a great one) because i had wanted to save it for a future post (which is why i had asked if anyone had a color picture of any indian wearing all blue)

    but since you mentioned it in the comments, i’ll post it here now

    indians in b&w (wearing blue over red)

  • Bernard Shakey | July 27, 2009 at 7:56 pm |

    Thanks Phil,

    Go ahead and use it in a future post, this chat is probably winding down. Be sure to catch Buddy Bell behind Fosse and Fisk in that shot.

  • LI Phil | July 27, 2009 at 8:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”342457″]Thanks Phil,

    Go ahead and use it in a future post, this chat is probably winding down. Be sure to catch Buddy Bell behind Fosse and Fisk in that shot.[/quote]

    no worries…i’ll ask paul to put it in tomorrow’s ticker, for maximum viewage

  • Ben | July 27, 2009 at 9:09 pm |

    Adam Rubin does not want to ditch the black, nor does he call it Shea.

  • falcon09 | July 27, 2009 at 9:21 pm |

    On the Texas Thanksgiving unis…

    WTF? They are playing AT A&M in Kyle Field. Why not honor your favorite coach at your own damn stadium, that just happens to be named after the guy. Not to mention they’re doing it on the 10th anniversary of A&M largest tragedy, the ’99 bonfire collapse.

    Have teams worn special unis at other teams fields in the past? Or are the t-sips the only ones dumb enough to do it?
    -A disgruntled Aggie

  • JTH | July 27, 2009 at 9:21 pm |

    I can’t take much more of this. I flipped on the Cubs game. Zambrano’s pitching. Houston’s in town. I think you all know what that means, uni-wise. So I flip over to the Sox/Twins hoping for greener pastures (or at least whiter and grayer ones). NOPE — Black vs. Navy.

    I guess I’ll just watch the Cards & Dodgers.

  • Paul Lukas | July 27, 2009 at 9:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”342450″]We’re Texas, We are Texas, don’t they mean the same thing?

    What’s the big deal?[/quote]

    “God bless America” or “America, fuck yeah!” — don’t they mean the same thing? What’s the big deal?

  • Hibbsy | July 27, 2009 at 9:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”342461″]I can’t take much more of this. I flipped on the Cubs game. Zambrano’s pitching. Houston’s in town. I think you all know what that means, uni-wise. So I flip over to the Sox/Twins hoping for greener pastures (or at least whiter and grayer ones). NOPE — Black vs. Navy.

    I guess I’ll just watch the Cards & Dodgers.[/quote]

    Or…
    VH1 is re-airing The Daisy of Love and Riki Lake’s Charm School finales.

  • LI Phil | July 27, 2009 at 9:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”342462″]”God bless America” or “America, fuck yeah!” — don’t they mean the same thing? What’s the big deal?[/quote]

    well…one of those statements contains a word many people find highly objectionable

    the other has the word “fuck”

  • JTH | July 27, 2009 at 10:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”342463″][quote comment=”342461″]I can’t take much more of this. I flipped on the Cubs game. Zambrano’s pitching. Houston’s in town. I think you all know what that means, uni-wise. So I flip over to the Sox/Twins hoping for greener pastures (or at least whiter and grayer ones). NOPE — Black vs. Navy.

    I guess I’ll just watch the Cards & Dodgers.[/quote]

    Or…
    VH1 is re-airing The Daisy of Love and Riki Lake’s Charm School finales.[/quote]
    My wife just commandeered the telly and put on “Antiques Roadshow”. Problem solved.

  • mike 2 | July 27, 2009 at 10:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”342454″]The geniuses at Homestarrunner.com advocate proper uniforms: http://www.homestarr

    I don’t know what the hell that was…was but it was most definitely not created by a “genius”

    If you want a laugh…go to Strong Bad e-mails and look up “Office Dullard”…one of my favorite goof-off sites.[/quote]

    SB emails are a great way to murder a day or two.

    Trogdor the Burninator might be the funniest three minutes on the internet.

  • aflfan | July 27, 2009 at 10:43 pm |

    Watching Tigers/Rangers game with my dad. He said if Saltamatachia (sp?) name was any longer it would be on his butt.

  • JimV19 | July 27, 2009 at 10:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”342357″][quote comment=”342351″]Re the ACC link:

    I have no objection to color-v-color per se. Now that B&W TVs are no longer a concern, the NEED for white-v-color has gone the way of the dodo. That said, the door is open for some really terrible combos to appear. I wouldn’t mind a change to the club soccer tradition of having Primary / Alternate / 3rd jerseys so that, more often than not, the schools get to wear their preferred gear (so long as it is distinct from the home team’s unis).

    Also, buried at the bottom of the link was a repeal of the 7-men-on-the-line rule. Get ready for a bunch of tackle-eligible plays in the ACC season.[/quote]

    I fell in love with the UCLA-USC game as a kid, and part of it had to do, I’m sure, with the color of USC cardinal vs. UCLA blue. But I think the whole color on color thing will get, like most everything with uniforms these days, out of hand quickly. With throwbacks, alternates, and mix-and-matches, it’s getting absurd. I say that as someone who likes an alternate jersey and a little color now and then, too.[/quote]

    I used to love the USC/UCLA game for the same reason. It was such a novelty for me, but then I learned before television came along the color vs. color matchup was quite the norm.

    For instance: http://www.youtube.c...
    And it looks as if the Cards had a blue alternate way back then.

    I think, if handled properly (meaning between the heavy-handedness of the NFL and the permissiveness of MLB), the color vs. color matchups could be very cool.

  • JTH | July 27, 2009 at 10:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”342466″][quote comment=”342454″]The geniuses at Homestarrunner.com advocate proper uniforms: http://www.homestarr

    I don’t know what the hell that was…was but it was most definitely not created by a “genius”

    If you want a laugh…go to Strong Bad e-mails and look up “Office Dullard”…one of my favorite goof-off sites.[/quote]

    SB emails are a great way to murder a day or two.

    Trogdor the Burninator might be the funniest three minutes on the internet.[/quote]
    Do you mean this one?

    And hey, to keep this somewhat relevant to this blog, watch closely in this one for another apostrophe catastrophe example.

  • Paul | July 27, 2009 at 11:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”342306″]I guess Harmon wore that uni at some time toward the end of his career, but I think it would look much less anachronistic if he were in baggy flannels. Also, no batting helmet, if they’re thinking of putting that on the sculpture. I saw him play with the Senators back in the day and the photo above just didn’t look right (not because he was in a Twins uniform; it was the sansabelt). I know alot of you out there are from ‘sota and even the Cities, so what do you think?[/quote]

    I always thought both the Twins’ home and road uniforms in the 1960s were awesome and Harmon should be in one of those.

  • LI Phil | July 27, 2009 at 11:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”342469″]Do you mean this one?[/quote]

    was that a bavarian motor works lighter?

  • JimV19 | July 27, 2009 at 11:09 pm |

    Late to the game today, as I spent most of the day at a flea market. Got some interesting sports stuff, some of which you’ll be seeing soon.

    That reminds me – Paul, do you have a record player? If not, how ’bout you, Ricko?

    Phil, Paul’s right – great work! You guys are quite the winning team.

    Anyone else think of the Italian soccer team when they see the blue Iraqi jerseys? Not complaining, just curious as to why they didn’t use the national colors.

  • JTH | July 27, 2009 at 11:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”342471″][quote comment=”342469″]Do you mean this one?[/quote]

    was that a bavarian motor works lighter?[/quote]
    http://www.hrwiki.or...

  • mike 2 | July 27, 2009 at 11:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”342473″][quote comment=”342471″][quote comment=”342469″]Do you mean this one?[/quote]

    was that a bavarian motor works lighter?[/quote]
    http://www.hrwiki.or...

    Wow. I had no idea there was a homestarrunner wiki. I’m feeling a little better about how I’m wasting my days tracking Blue Jays uniform combinations and checking off the minutes until BSG season 4.5 comes out on DVD.

    (134 minutes)

  • Hibbsy | July 27, 2009 at 11:54 pm |

    Risky won Charm School.

  • Paul | July 27, 2009 at 11:58 pm |

    Not sure if any one has posted this but here is a site where you can generate custom hockey jerseys

    http://www.thesporti...

  • Bernard Shakey | July 28, 2009 at 12:00 am |

    [quote comment=”342462″][quote comment=”342450″]We’re Texas, We are Texas, don’t they mean the same thing?

    What’s the big deal?[/quote]

    “God bless America” or “America, fuck yeah!” — don’t they mean the same thing? What’s the big deal?[/quote]

    Go ahead and use my real name from the email. Screw it anyway, I might actually show up at the Cleveland gathering Thursday.

    If my 1986 Tribe jersey doesn’t fit anymore, can I wear it unbuttoned like Englebert?

  • Bernard Shakey | July 28, 2009 at 12:01 am |

    [quote comment=”342458″][quote comment=”342457″]Thanks Phil,

    Go ahead and use it in a future post, this chat is probably winding down. Be sure to catch Buddy Bell behind Fosse and Fisk in that shot.[/quote]

    no worries…i’ll ask paul to put it in tomorrow’s ticker, for maximum viewage[/quote]

    Oops, quoted the wrong post. Thank you Mr. Miller (Lite).

  • Nick | July 28, 2009 at 12:19 am |

    [quote comment=”342343″]Oh I sure hope the Browns break out the brown pants again this season. They look awesome![/quote]

    JC on the Cross !!!!! The Brown leotards are profoundly DISGUSTING !!!

    Why not just go borrow some 7 year old playground teams’ unis and throw out the class and traditional good look of the BROWNS … While we are at it, let’s play really loud RAP music between EVERY PLAY, and look at each other after every first down and say “We Bad, We Bad”, just like Gene Wilder and Richard Pryor did in that movie.

    I MEAN , AFTER ALL, THE CLEVELAND BROWNS REALLY HAVE NO HISTORY IN WHITE PANTS …. Why should
    they dress like the Cleveland Browns.

    I received my Saints season tickets this week and EVERY SINGLE TICKET for every game had a Saints player featured wearing White jerseys and Black leotard pants – the worst Saints uni combo EVER !!!!!

    DISGUSTING, DEPRESSING, AND CHEAP. YUK !!!

    Even the Robert Irsay Colts, and the 1990’s Lions, had the good sense to ditch the dark pants after one season each. Let’s hope the Chargers and the Rams and Dolphins and Jets follow suit.

    The Pats should too, but as I understand it the owner Craft let’s his kids dress the team.

    I say ditch all of these dark color, leotard monstrosities and let the NFL TEAMS dress like they are really NFL TEAMS, and not thus wannabe playground teams.

    Only ONE OR TWO TEAMS should EVER wear dark pants, and then only some of the time, and that is the KC Chiefs with White jerseys, and the TITANS with White jerseys and Light Blue pants.

    If the Vikes want to wear Purple pants with 1960’s throwbacks, then OK once in awhile.

    BUT THAT’S IT !!! THAT’S THE LIST !!!

  • JimV19 | July 28, 2009 at 12:44 am |

    [quote comment=”342477″][quote comment=”342462″][quote comment=”342450″]Go ahead and use my real name from the email. Screw it anyway, I might actually show up at the Cleveland gathering Thursday.

    If my 1986 Tribe jersey doesn’t fit anymore, can I wear it unbuttoned like Englebert?[/quote]

    If the Tribe jersey doesn’t fit, you must acquit.
    Wait, that’s not right…

    Wear it, and show up Thursday. Just don’t wear brown pants.

  • JTH | July 28, 2009 at 12:47 am |

    [quote comment=”342479″]
    Only ONE OR TWO TEAMS should EVER wear dark pants, and then only some of the time, and that is the KC Chiefs with White jerseys, and the TITANS with White jerseys and Light Blue pants.

    If the Vikes want to wear Purple pants with 1960’s throwbacks, then OK once in awhile.

    BUT THAT’S IT !!! THAT’S THE LIST !!![/quote]
    Bulldog Turner begs to differ.

  • Nick | July 28, 2009 at 1:34 am |

    [quote comment=”342481″][quote comment=”342479″]
    Only ONE OR TWO TEAMS should EVER wear dark pants, and then only some of the time, and that is the KC Chiefs with White jerseys, and the TITANS with White jerseys and Light Blue pants.

    If the Vikes want to wear Purple pants with 1960’s throwbacks, then OK once in awhile.

    BUT THAT’S IT !!! THAT’S THE LIST !!![/quote]
    Bulldog Turner begs to differ.[/quote]

    I stand corrected. Add the Bears ….

    BUT THAT’S IT !!!! THAT’S THE LIST !!!!

  • The Hemogoblin | July 28, 2009 at 2:20 am |

    Bret Saberhagen, one T.

  • Hibbsy | July 28, 2009 at 2:49 am |

    London was Daisy’s choice.

  • Hibbsy | July 28, 2009 at 3:43 am |

    http://www.nfl.com/p...

    That is a flask.

  • John Doodigian | July 28, 2009 at 9:02 am |

    [quote comment=”342332″][quote comment=”342331″]Jeremy, I hadn’t thought of that; those could indeed be samples. We really need to see those sleeves! They do look well-worn, though…

    Or, come to think of it, the backs. Sample jerseys don’t often have numbers on the backs, but jerseys actually used in leagues always do.[/quote]

    And, of course, if they were all small sizes. Most samples are. Take up less room–and weigh less–in the sample case. Likewise for shipping to prospective customers.[/quote]

    Samples or not, I recognized two of the logos and remembered one source both of which indicate these are from corporate teams.

    http://magazineworld...

    It’s from a fashion magazine and the mag logo clearly matches the arm patch. It is also interesting to see that the same corporation has a Brutus mag.

    Topper is also in my memory because of that woodpecker. Thought it to be sportswear and there is a Topper specialty sports shoe manufacturer here but the current logo is different although it is a bird. Could also be a defunct magazine.

    http://www.samurai-j...

    All I can on the others is that if anyone shows any interest I will research it more, however that would entail switching over to my Japanese OS and I always catch these threads late so I won’t bother now. A couple sport various Yomiuri Giants fonts through the years which leads me to think this is a Tokyo deal and living in the Kansai I am out of the loop on some of these names.

  • Frosty | July 30, 2009 at 8:55 pm |

    Now THIS is a baseball jersey:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    If I was only skinnier.