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Uni Watch Field Trip: An Afternoon at the Meadowlands

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Last Thursday I drove out to the Meadowlands to see Giants equipment director Joe Skiba, who wanted to show me a bunch of new gear and give me a tour of the team’s brand-new training facility. And lemme tell ya, he showed me some eye-opening stuff — almost none of which I’m allowed to share with you.

I know, nobody likes a tease, but Joe swore me to secrecy. Plus he bought me lunch. Plus-plus, no joke, he showed me this dumping ground near the training site and made lots of chatter about how “you could easily leave a body here and nobody would ever know.” Yikes — message received.

Here’s what I’ve been permitted to say:

• The red alternate jersey has been retired. The Giants will not be wearing any alternates or throwbacks in 2009 or 2010, but they have a doozy of a throwback slated for 2011 — which I can’t describe.

• Remember how some Giants players had a different jersey cut last season (no nameplate, lower placement of the NFL Equipment logo, etc.)? All Giants jerseys this season will feature that cut. One problem last year was that some players’ sleeve stripes looked sort of curvy instead of straight, but that has been addressed and should no longer be an issue.

• These new jerseys will be made of a new high-tech fabric. I usually roll my eyes at this kind of thing, but the new fabric really does look and feel different than the standard NFL material (or at least it does in person — I doubt you’ll be able to tell the difference on TV). Interestingly, the fabric is being made is Israel, which means the team’s game jerseys will carry “Made in Israel” tags — probably a first for an American pro sports team. And that’s all I can say about it for now.

• When the Giants wear blue jerseys on the road (in Dallas, say), Skiba plans to have them wear these pants (which are normally worn only with the white jersey), instead of these pants (which are normally worn with the blue jersey, whether at home or on the road). I like this idea.

• Skiba continues to tinker with the nose bumpers. Here’s what he has in mind for this season.

OK, I better stop there before Skeebs drives out and throttles me for giving too much away.

Fortunately, I have full clearance to show photos of the new training site, which is located maybe half a mile from Giants Stadium and looks pretty damn swank. Among the highlights:

• When the players enter the facility, this is the first thing they see. Too bad about the logo (a major turd in the punchbowl, no?), but that photo is a gem.

• There are also classic photos in the cafeteria and outside the film screening room (each of those photos represents one of the team’s championships; I didn’t have room to include the one for Super Bowl XLII).

• Speaking of the screening room, it’s basically a small theater. As you might expect, the seats are very wide. And hey, no cup holders!

• There’s a huge photo montage that was too big for me to capture. Skeebs was all excited to show me the last photo in the sequence, just to see if my head would explode.

• The “ny” logo is everywhere — on walls, on trash cans, even on this drainage plate.

• The new locker room is really nice. It’s shaped like a football, with a ring of honor along the top molding.

• The old practice bubble has been dismantled and replaced by a fancy new practice hangar. Interestingly, the goalposts are suspended from the ceiling by cables, so there’s no anchor post connected to the crossbar. Maybe that’s common for indoor practice fields, but I’d never seen it before and thought it was really neat.

That’s most of it. At one point we hopped in a high-tech vehicle and scooted back over to Giants Stadium, where Joe wanted to show me a few additional things. The best part: this impromptu photo gallery. Recognize anyone in those photos? According to Skeebs, this is Tom Coughlin and this is Jeff Feagles. And this? That’s a young Joe Skiba on the right, with his brother Ed (who works with Joe in the Giants’ equipment room) on the left. Look at those perfectly positioned pads and wristbands — no wonder they got into the equipment game.

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Membership Update: Kudos to Jason Bernard, who requested one of the coolest membership card treatments we’ve had so far: the Steelers’ “golden triangle” design. That’s one of several new designs you can see in the membership card gallery. As always, you can make the membership scene by signing up here.

Uni Watch News Ticker: Now that’s a tattoo (awesome find by Kirsten). … Decent article on MLB cap styles here (with thanks to Matt Shevin). … Brazilian soccer uni history broken down here (with thanks to Brett Fujisaki). … Doug McConnell was shopping for fetishwear innocently browsing at the mall and spotted these Phillies shirts being sold at Victoria’s Secret. “Is this specific to the Phillies or does Victoria’s Secret have an MLB-wide deal?” he asks. … New football uniforms for Baylor. … Some very nice vintage CFL video and photos (with thanks to Richard Musterer and Jim Vilk, respectively). … What’s worse than a soccer team with a Burger King-sponsored jersey? The underside of the jersey. Depressing details here (with thanks to Dave Tyrrell). … New jerseys for the Quad City Mallards of the IHL (with thanks to Matt Linder). … David Beckham wore short sleeves last night. “That’s notable because he NEVER wears short sleeves, no matter the weather,” notes Kenn Tomasch. “Don’t know if it was too hot, if the kit man didn’t bring a long sleeve shirt, or what.” … Colt Brennan of the Redskins is helping to provide uniforms for a Pop Warner team in Hawaii (with thanks to William P. Barrett). … God, I really hate those filled-in NOB letters. … Want to see just how far triple-A baseball is from the big leagues? The Lehigh Valley IronPigs are the Phillies’ top affiliate and dressed their players in tuxedo jerseys for last night’s game (with thanks to Ryan Harrington and Dan Stahl). … Very cool slideshow of Google logos here (nice find by Matt Carlson).

 

246 comments to Uni Watch Field Trip: An Afternoon at the Meadowlands

  • War Damn Eagle | July 17, 2009 at 9:07 am |

    Braves to retire Greg Maddux’s #31 tonight!

  • Dave | July 17, 2009 at 9:09 am |

    #4 in the Giants pictures was Tuffy Leemans, who after football retired to my home town in Maryland and ran a duckpin bowling alley there. I remember going there with my mom as a child and taking my son there when he was a pre-schooler. It just closed down a few years ago. What a shame.

  • mike | July 17, 2009 at 9:13 am |

    Very cool pictures of the practice facilty. I wonder why the seats in the fil room don’t have the folding desktops on them……

  • Dave | July 17, 2009 at 9:13 am |

    Tom Glavine, prima-donna a’hole supreme that he is, will skip the induction, partially because he knows the resultant waves and waves and waves of catcalls he will hear wouldn’t help the players’ union.

  • Beardface | July 17, 2009 at 9:15 am |

    Tell me about the Triple-A shit… Man, nothing bothers me more than going to a Durham Bulls game and seeing them in some horrid alternate jersey in some god awful color. (I’ve seen green for the Environmentalists, light blue for Autism, Stars & Stripes for July 4th, yellow for Livestrong, etc). Granted, each one of the jersey designs gets auctioned off online afterwards and the entire proceeds go to charity, but man, the look is not good.

  • MG12 | July 17, 2009 at 9:17 am |

    Great breakdown of the Brazilian national jerseys.

    I was curious if anyone knew why on the current Brazilian national jersys, the five stars (each representing a World Cup championship) featured on their socks are two different colors. Four stars are one color, while the fifth is a different color. What is the significance of this fifth star being a different color?

    http://www.switchima...

  • MG12 | July 17, 2009 at 9:18 am |

    [quote comment=”340611″]Great breakdown of the Brazilian national jerseys.

    I was curious if anyone knew why on the current Brazilian national jersys, the five stars (each representing a World Cup championship) featured on their socks are two different colors. Four stars are one color, while the fifth is a different color. What is the significance of this fifth star being a different color?

    http://www.switchima...

    You can see this detail a little better on their away kits.

    http://www.switchima...

  • Scott Davis | July 17, 2009 at 9:21 am |

    According to this blog post, there are six teams teaming up with Victoria’s Secret… the Red Sox, the Mets, the Yankees, the Phillies, the Cubs, and the White Sox
    http://mochisowner.b...

  • TMD | July 17, 2009 at 9:22 am |

    Those Mallards jerseys won’t be confused with anything else. That is for sure… except for maybe those new Seahawks jerseys that Yahoo was talking about. ;)

    http://bloximages.ch...

  • Beardface | July 17, 2009 at 9:27 am |

    [quote comment=”340612″][quote comment=”340611″]Great breakdown of the Brazilian national jerseys.

    I was curious if anyone knew why on the current Brazilian national jersys, the five stars (each representing a World Cup championship) featured on their socks are two different colors. Four stars are one color, while the fifth is a different color. What is the significance of this fifth star being a different color?

    http://www.switchima...

    You can see this detail a little better on their away kits.

    http://www.switchima...
    50th Anniversary of their 1st World Cup Title?

    Thats just a guess, by the way

  • War Damn Eagle | July 17, 2009 at 9:28 am |

    Paul,

    Thanks for the pics of the Giants practice facility. I’m always fascinated by that stuff. Their football-shaped locker room reminds me of the “oval” locker room at Nationals Park.

    http://farm4.static....

  • Alex | July 17, 2009 at 9:29 am |

    Awesome that Skiba showed you around like that. When are you meeting with Charlie Samuels so you can punch him in the face?

  • TMD | July 17, 2009 at 9:30 am |

    Here is a question for any of you old IHL fans. I was looking at some pictures of the Detroit Vipers, and came across this shot:

    http://2.bp.blogspot...

    It appears that the Vipers defenseman has his number on his pants, which would be new to me. I checked some other photos, and there was nothing there.

    http://www.hockeydb....

    http://www.bestsport...

    Was this something they tried for a while?

  • Ryan | July 17, 2009 at 9:38 am |

    Thanks to Paul and Skibs for an awesome Friday morning gift. That was awesome stuff!

  • THaines | July 17, 2009 at 9:41 am |

    the Steelers’ golden triangle design would be much cooler if (a) they hadn’t sucked so much when they wore them and (b) if Jason hadn’t picked the number of Kent Nix, one of the players that made the sucking even more painful than it already was. No Bill Nelsen, he.

  • Wade Harder | July 17, 2009 at 9:43 am |

    I’m very disappointed in the Baylor uniform changes. They went from a classic, clean look to a Nike template, adding black trim, and switching to white shoes.

  • Joe Hilseberg | July 17, 2009 at 9:46 am |

    The Lehigh Valley IronPigs are the Phillies’ top affiliate and dressed their players in tuxedo jerseys for last night’s game (with thanks to Ryan Harrington and Dan Stahl)

    Man- I wish I had those to go with my numbered vests for my wedding!!!!!

    http://jerseynamefra...

  • al | July 17, 2009 at 9:48 am |

    Skeebs has to have one of the coolest jobs.

    btw, the high tech vehicle has the old giants helmet.

    also, the kibbie dome in idaho also does not put its goal posts into the ground. you will need to look close, but it is into the wall.

    http://www.flickr.co...

  • Ian M | July 17, 2009 at 9:51 am |

    Love the CFL flashback. But how about last night’s game in Edmonton. Lots of striped socks and the Eskimos gold sleeves went all the way around (still looking for a good photo link to attach).

  • Teebz | July 17, 2009 at 9:53 am |

    [quote comment=”340614″]Those Mallards jerseys won’t be confused with anything else. That is for sure… except for maybe those new Seahawks jerseys that Yahoo was talking about. ;)

    http://bloximages.ch...

    “Quack To The Future”? Seriously? I guess with the Flames abandoning Moline, the IHL will fill the gap.

    I don’t mind the alternates, but that other logo is bound to give little kids nightmares.

  • j bub | July 17, 2009 at 9:53 am |

    Where can i get one of those NY Giants garbage pails? I need one….. BAD

  • War Damn Eagle | July 17, 2009 at 9:54 am |

    Here’s the #31 that will be placed on the plaza outside Turner Field:

    http://sports.yahoo....

    It will go alongside #3 (Dale Murphy), #21 (Warren Spahn), #35 (Phil Neikro), #41 (Eddie Matthews), #42 (Jackie Robinson), and #44 (Hank Aaron).

    http://mlb.mlb.com/a...

    Maddux’s number will also hang on the left field uppder deck facade, and will be in the number font currently used by the Braves.

    http://farm4.static....

    They’ll probably be adding quite a few numbers over the next couple years. Glavine’s #47, Smoltz’s #29, Bobby Cox’s #6, and Chipper Jones’ #10 will all be up there once they retire.

  • Cooper's Dad | July 17, 2009 at 9:54 am |

    [quote comment=”340621″]I’m very disappointed in the Baylor uniform changes. They went from a classic, clean look to a Nike template, adding black trim, and switching to white shoes.[/quote]
    Could not agree more. I am not a fan of Baylor, but I REALLY liked their old uni’s much, MUCH more. They looked classy and “clean” as you stated…now? They are Boise State without the BCS appearances

  • Teebz | July 17, 2009 at 9:55 am |

    [quote comment=”340618″]Here is a question for any of you old IHL fans. I was looking at some pictures of the Detroit Vipers, and came across this shot:

    http://2.bp.blogspot...

    It appears that the Vipers defenseman has his number on his pants, which would be new to me. I checked some other photos, and there was nothing there.

    http://www.hockeydb....

    http://www.bestsport...

    Was this something they tried for a while?[/quote]

    It’s not a number. Its the CCM logo on the pants.

  • Joe Hilseberg | July 17, 2009 at 9:58 am |

    “God, I really hate those filled-in NOB letters.”

    As someone who had to hand cut those letters out, by the time you got to the 3rd layer of color it’s a pain in the ass to get in there just to get the little hole cut out. Plus the seamstress can work faster without have to do “insides” as we called them.

    However now everything is machine cut, so they must just be holding true to the old style from back in the day?

  • David | July 17, 2009 at 9:59 am |

    The underside of the Burger King jerseys are genius!

  • Aram | July 17, 2009 at 10:03 am |

    Michigan’s soon-to-be-retired indoor practice facility, Oosterbaan Fieldhouse, also features suspended goalposts. They’re cool and all, but if you hit a post or crossbar, the damn thing shakes around for a minute or so until it stabilizes.

  • leon | July 17, 2009 at 10:07 am |

    • The “ny” logo is everywhere — on walls, on trash cans, even on drainage plate.

    http://www.flickr.co...

    :)

  • George | July 17, 2009 at 10:11 am |

    [quote comment=”340631″]The underside of the Burger King jerseys are genius![/quote]

    Agreed. Considering some of the monstrosities that come through here those Burger King jerseys are pretty sweet.

  • WSCopic | July 17, 2009 at 10:13 am |

    Absolutely LOVIN the Gnts photos. That is some great stuff. Looking forward to seeing the new jerseys and no red, thank the lord.

    Also, is it me, or does Coughlin look like he could rip your arms off and beat you with them in that old photo? I mean, he looks tough. Never would have thought of him in that light, compared to the elderly lookin guy he is now.

    (Note to self: Don’t piss off Coughlin….)

    :D

  • tosaman | July 17, 2009 at 10:14 am |

    Becks is still playing in LA? I thought he signed a contract with one of the big European teams.

  • anotherguy | July 17, 2009 at 10:26 am |

    Question for the lawyerly-types: regarding the proposed noseguards, why the R with a circle for Riddell, but not for the Giants symbol?

    Is it that the Giants symbol is assumed to be trademarked, but the word Riddell is not?

  • tosaman | July 17, 2009 at 10:28 am |

    [quote comment=”340636″]Becks is still playing in LA? I thought he signed a contract with one of the big European teams.[/quote]

    never mind:
    http://www.google.co...

  • WSCopic | July 17, 2009 at 10:29 am |

    Also, regarding the Triple-A jerseys. That’s one nice thing about the I-Cubs…..almost never see stuff like that. It’s like baseball uniform goodiness almost every time you attend.

    (Now, the beers and dogs that cost more than Wrigley is another thing, all together….)

    ;)

  • Bernard | July 17, 2009 at 10:31 am |

    [quote comment=”340620″]the Steelers’ golden triangle design would be much cooler if (a) they hadn’t sucked so much when they wore them and (b) if Jason hadn’t picked the number of Kent Nix, one of the players that made the sucking even more painful than it already was. No Bill Nelsen, he.[/quote]

    Haha- yes, they sucked pretty bad when they wore these. But I love the story and inspiration for the design, and it’s rather unique. Plus, I think it looks cool.

    Oh, and the number definitely isn’t for Nix. :)

  • Christopher | July 17, 2009 at 10:32 am |

    Paul,

    Maybe tell us *why* you can’t tell us most things?

    Is it marketing (i.e. its something that will be unveiled later).

    Is it a trade secret (i.e. something they don’t want other teams to hear about, ever).

  • Christopher | July 17, 2009 at 10:34 am |

    [quote comment=”340637″]Question for the lawyerly-types: regarding the proposed noseguards, why the R with a circle for Riddell, but not for the Giants symbol?

    Is it that the Giants symbol is assumed to be trademarked, but the word Riddell is not?[/quote]

    I’m not a lawyer, but from what I know the “circle R” or “circle C” are fairly irrelevant. If its copywritten, its copywritten.

    Every now and then a lawyer will get picky and insist on it.

    I’ve never once heard of someone stealing a brand identity, getting sued, and winning because the owner didn’t use circle r.

  • Paul Lukas | July 17, 2009 at 10:35 am |

    [quote comment=”340626″]Where can i get one of those NY Giants garbage pails? I need one….. BAD[/quote]

    There’s about 60 gazillion of them around the facility. Just go in and grab one — I’m sure they won’t miss it.

  • Scott Davis | July 17, 2009 at 10:36 am |

    Those “face under the jersey” things must be a common thing now.
    http://www.joystiq.c...

  • Paul Lukas | July 17, 2009 at 10:38 am |

    [quote comment=”340641″]Paul,

    Maybe tell us *why* you can’t tell us most things?

    Is it marketing (i.e. its something that will be unveiled later).

    Is it a trade secret (i.e. something they don’t want other teams to hear about, ever).[/quote]

    Some of it is marketing/embargo/etc. — will be revealed later.

    In the case of the 2011 throwback, it hasn’t been officially approved by the league yet (although my impression is that that’s just a formality).

  • War Damn Eagle | July 17, 2009 at 10:40 am |

    D-Wade switching from Converse to Nike. Although I guess that’s just a change in name only, since Nike owns Converse. Why wouldn’t Nike want to have a big-name sporting the Converse label? Doesn’t that hurt their asset?

    http://sportsillustr...

  • Josh Petty | July 17, 2009 at 10:47 am |

    [quote comment=”340614″]Those Mallards jerseys won’t be confused with anything else. That is for sure… except for maybe those new Seahawks jerseys that Yahoo was talking about. ;)

    http://bloximages.ch...

    I had a friend at the Mallards’ jersey unveiling press conference and he said the new jerseys really aren’t lime green. He said it’s just the lighting in the pictures that makes them look that way.

  • oilfan | July 17, 2009 at 10:48 am |

    [quote comment=”340630″]”God, I really hate those filled-in NOB letters.”

    As someone who had to hand cut those letters out, by the time you got to the 3rd layer of color it’s a pain in the ass to get in there just to get the little hole cut out. Plus the seamstress can work faster without have to do “insides” as we called them.

    However now everything is machine cut, so they must just be holding true to the old style from back in the day?[/quote]

    It’s probably white on black on silver or vice versa. In photos and on TV it looks like it’s filled in, but when you see it up close it becomes very apparent.

    The Canucks had the same kind of setup in the previous incarnation of their jerseys before they went the old style blue/green/white palette. The road jerseys were silver/maroon/white. The silver though was not your standard pro twill, but almost seemed like a layer of silver cloth.

  • LI Phil | July 17, 2009 at 10:49 am |

    [quote]Why wouldn’t Nike want to have a big-name sporting the Converse label?[/quote]

    probably the reason they dumped d-wade from converse

  • Ricko | July 17, 2009 at 10:49 am |

    [quote comment=”340646″]D-Wade switching from Converse to Nike. Although I guess that’s just a change in name only, since Nike owns Converse. Why wouldn’t Nike want to have a big-name sporting the Converse label? Doesn’t that hurt their asset?

    http://sportsillustr...

    They about to pull the plug on Converse, maybe?
    In this economy, sales could be way, way down on second-tier brands.

    —Ricko

  • joe | July 17, 2009 at 10:51 am |

    the Kibbie dome in Moscow, Wyoming has the goalposts attached to the end walls and thats there they play there games at, not a practice facility

  • leon | July 17, 2009 at 10:53 am |

    [quote comment=”340651″]the Kibbie dome in Moscow, Wyoming has the goalposts attached to the end walls and thats there they play there games at, not a practice facility[/quote]

    there’s a moscow, wyoming?
    does cheney know this?

  • bourbon soaked idiot | July 17, 2009 at 10:55 am |

    [quote comment=”340631″]The underside of the Burger King jerseys are genius![/quote]

    I don’t understand why Paul seems to find Burger King jersey sponsorship more offensive than other shirt sponsorships. Yes I understand that no sponsorship is the ideal, but is Burger King worse than Fly Emirates or T-Mobile?

  • Ricko | July 17, 2009 at 10:56 am |

    Obama’s “jeaneology” under scrutiny.
    http://www.asylum.co...|wbml-aol|dl2|link5|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.asylum.com%2F2009%2F07%2F16%2Fobamas-all-star-jeans-and-more-presidential-denim%2F

    —Ricko

  • Josh Petty | July 17, 2009 at 10:56 am |

    [quote comment=”340625″][quote comment=”340614″]Those Mallards jerseys won’t be confused with anything else. That is for sure… except for maybe those new Seahawks jerseys that Yahoo was talking about. ;)

    http://bloximages.ch...

    “Quack To The Future”? Seriously? I guess with the Flames abandoning Moline, the IHL will fill the gap.

    I don’t mind the alternates, but that other logo is bound to give little kids nightmares.[/quote]

    Yeah, “Quack to the Future” is not the best slogan. Team wise though, they had to return to the Mallards name in the QCs. There were a great deal of fans that wouldn’t go to games just becasue the team wasn’t the Mallards anymore.

    I honestly think the Flames abandoned the QCs before the franchise played its first game. They really never did much to much to make that work at all. I think they used the QCs, as well as Omaha before, as a stepping stone for greener pastures. Of course local management didn’t help the cause either. They never advertised the team or had any big time promotions to bring in the crowds.

    I was walking around one of the QC malls in a Flames jersey prior to a game last year (the teams 2nd season in the QCs) and got stopped by somebody asking me what team jersey that was. I told them and asked them where they were from, expecting an out of towner, the person was from MOLINE. They’re next question was, “The Mallards are gone, when did that happen?”

    People there won’t know what they had until it’s gone. Tickets for Mallards games this year is actually higher than what tickets were to Flames games last season.

  • PCFriarsDan | July 17, 2009 at 11:01 am |

    [quote comment=”340645″][quote comment=”340641″]Paul,

    Maybe tell us *why* you can’t tell us most things?

    Is it marketing (i.e. its something that will be unveiled later).

    Is it a trade secret (i.e. something they don’t want other teams to hear about, ever).[/quote]

    Some of it is marketing/embargo/etc. — will be revealed later.

    In the case of the 2011 throwback, it hasn’t been officially approved by the league yet (although my impression is that that’s just a formality).[/quote]

    I know Paul can’t reveal the throwback, but who wants to venture some guesses as to what the throwback will look like?

    I think it’s gotta be a jersey celebrating the 25th anniversary of the 86 Super Bowl champs.

    Thoughts?

  • Johnny O | July 17, 2009 at 11:08 am |

    Looking at all those practice facility photos for the Giants reminds me A LOT of Lambeau Field.

    Indoor practice center (Don Hutson Center):
    http://www.befccombi...

    http://farm4.static....

    Shaped like a football locker room:
    http://graphics2.jso...

    —————

    Anyways, I am not saying they copied the Pack, just that there are a lot of facilities that look similar. A lot of people around the league (since the 2003 renovation) have said the packers have some of the best facilites people have ever seen. So if you are going to copy something, copy from the best. And again, I am not accusing the Giant of copying from the Pack, just saying it is similar.

    And while looking for something else:
    http://www.syracuse....

  • diz | July 17, 2009 at 11:09 am |

    Brazil’s odd star out might be due to the fact they’ve only won four World Cup finals in their classic yellow shirts – in the first one, in 1958, they wore blue and white to beat the hosts Sweden…

  • War Damn Eagle | July 17, 2009 at 11:11 am |

    [quote comment=”340656″][quote comment=”340645″][quote comment=”340641″]Paul,

    Maybe tell us *why* you can’t tell us most things?

    Is it marketing (i.e. its something that will be unveiled later).

    Is it a trade secret (i.e. something they don’t want other teams to hear about, ever).[/quote]

    Some of it is marketing/embargo/etc. — will be revealed later.

    In the case of the 2011 throwback, it hasn’t been officially approved by the league yet (although my impression is that that’s just a formality).[/quote]

    I know Paul can’t reveal the throwback, but who wants to venture some guesses as to what the throwback will look like?

    I think it’s gotta be a jersey celebrating the 25th anniversary of the 86 Super Bowl champs.

    Thoughts?[/quote]

    The 1975 look?

    http://www.onlinespo...

  • The Ghost of Ross Gload | July 17, 2009 at 11:11 am |

    The Getafe jerseys are ugly all by themselves. The BK logo just adds an extra layer of busy to a shirt that already has waaaaay too much going on.

    Slap that BK logo on something more understated, and you wouldn’t give it a second thought. (Well, OK, Paul would, that’s his thing.)

  • EricRomain | July 17, 2009 at 11:12 am |

    Those Quad City Mallards sweaters are BAD. but it is the IHL, so it goes with the quality of hockey.

  • Teebz | July 17, 2009 at 11:12 am |

    [quote comment=”340655″][quote comment=”340625″][quote comment=”340614″]Those Mallards jerseys won’t be confused with anything else. That is for sure… except for maybe those new Seahawks jerseys that Yahoo was talking about. ;)

    http://bloximages.ch...

    “Quack To The Future”? Seriously? I guess with the Flames abandoning Moline, the IHL will fill the gap.

    I don’t mind the alternates, but that other logo is bound to give little kids nightmares.[/quote]

    Yeah, “Quack to the Future” is not the best slogan. Team wise though, they had to return to the Mallards name in the QCs. There were a great deal of fans that wouldn’t go to games just becasue the team wasn’t the Mallards anymore.

    I honestly think the Flames abandoned the QCs before the franchise played its first game. They really never did much to much to make that work at all. I think they used the QCs, as well as Omaha before, as a stepping stone for greener pastures. Of course local management didn’t help the cause either. They never advertised the team or had any big time promotions to bring in the crowds.

    I was walking around one of the QC malls in a Flames jersey prior to a game last year (the teams 2nd season in the QCs) and got stopped by somebody asking me what team jersey that was. I told them and asked them where they were from, expecting an out of towner, the person was from MOLINE. They’re next question was, “The Mallards are gone, when did that happen?”

    People there won’t know what they had until it’s gone. Tickets for Mallards games this year is actually higher than what tickets were to Flames games last season.[/quote]

    I don’t doubt that, Josh. The Mallards were a solid team, despite their constant barrage of promotional jerseys they wore yearly.

    I’m all for the Mallards returning. They give me lots of jersey fodder for my blog. I just think their logo is, excuse the pun, a lame duck logo. LOL

  • Johnny O | July 17, 2009 at 11:16 am |

    John Daly at The Open, Round Two:

    http://d.yimg.com/a/...

    http://d.yimg.com/a/...

    He even switches jackets:
    http://d.yimg.com/a/...

    CLASSIC DALY:
    http://d.yimg.com/a/...

    http://d.yimg.com/a/...

  • chance michaels | July 17, 2009 at 11:18 am |

    [quote comment=”340630″]”God, I really hate those filled-in NOB letters.”

    As someone who had to hand cut those letters out, by the time you got to the 3rd layer of color it’s a pain in the ass to get in there just to get the little hole cut out. Plus the seamstress can work faster without have to do “insides” as we called them.

    However now everything is machine cut, so they must just be holding true to the old style from back in the day?[/quote]

    I don’t think you had that many multiple-multiple outlines “back in the day.”

    That’s the problem – if the Rockies stuck to numbers with one outline, the letters would look fine.

  • War Damn Eagle | July 17, 2009 at 11:18 am |

    Or maybe the unis will be more navy, like the old days:

    http://i.cdn.turner....

    The ’76 Csonka blue pants and striped socks look?

    http://images.market...

    http://johnsymank.co...

    I kinda think it’s too soon to bring back the 80s look, because it was also the 90s look. They wore these as recently as 1999, so that’s just too recent for a throwback.

    http://assets.espn.g...

  • Jeff P | July 17, 2009 at 11:22 am |

    [quote comment=”340656″][quote comment=”340645″][quote comment=”340641″]Paul,

    Maybe tell us *why* you can’t tell us most things?

    Is it marketing (i.e. its something that will be unveiled later).

    Is it a trade secret (i.e. something they don’t want other teams to hear about, ever).[/quote]

    Some of it is marketing/embargo/etc. — will be revealed later.

    In the case of the 2011 throwback, it hasn’t been officially approved by the league yet (although my impression is that that’s just a formality).[/quote]

    I know Paul can’t reveal the throwback, but who wants to venture some guesses as to what the throwback will look like?

    I think it’s gotta be a jersey celebrating the 25th anniversary of the 86 Super Bowl champs.

    Thoughts?[/quote]
    I’m gonna guess 1933 or 34. 86 is too recent, and a part from the helmet logo, too similar.

  • Jeff P | July 17, 2009 at 11:23 am |
  • al | July 17, 2009 at 11:23 am |

    take a look at the size of the steelers rings:
    http://sportsillustr...

    as for the gmen, 1986 sounds right.

  • Ricko | July 17, 2009 at 11:28 am |

    Perfect, considering he’s wearing pants from the H.R. Pufnstuf era.
    http://d.yimg.com/a/...

  • anotherguy | July 17, 2009 at 11:29 am |

    [quote comment=”340641″]
    Maybe tell us *why* you can’t tell us most things?…

    …Is it a trade secret (i.e. something they don’t want other teams to hear about, ever).[/quote]
    This would be interesting.

    “Okay Paul, I’ll show you the new stickers for the helmets, but if the Bears ever find out that they’re 2 7/8 inches tall instead of the 2 3/4 inches that we told the league: well, we’ll know who they got their information from, and your house will be burned to the ground.”

    :-)

  • leon | July 17, 2009 at 11:30 am |

    http://d.yimg.com/a/...

    What’s up with the grip it and rip it bracelet?

  • anotherguy | July 17, 2009 at 11:32 am |

    [quote comment=”340669″]Perfect, considering he’s wearing pants from the H.R. Pufnstuf era.
    http://d.yimg.com/a/...
    This is kind of like that “guess the date of the game by a scoreboard shot” contest, right?

    Whoever could that be???

    :-)

    Seriously, you wonder what significance his personal ball mark carries. You’d think maybe he’d go for a Marlboro or Kool insignia.

  • Berto | July 17, 2009 at 11:32 am |

    [quote comment=”340650″][quote comment=”340646″]D-Wade switching from Converse to Nike. Although I guess that’s just a change in name only, since Nike owns Converse. Why wouldn’t Nike want to have a big-name sporting the Converse label? Doesn’t that hurt their asset?

    http://sportsillustr...

    They about to pull the plug on Converse, maybe?
    In this economy, sales could be way, way down on second-tier brands.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    People love the Chucks though.

  • leon | July 17, 2009 at 11:33 am |

    n/m
    my curiousity got the best of me.

    “hip, must-have”

    http://estore.websit...

  • Ricko | July 17, 2009 at 11:34 am |

    [quote comment=”340668″]take a look at the size of the steelers rings:
    http://sportsillustr...

    as for the gmen, 1986 sounds right.[/quote]

    Not these, complete with high white socks striped to match jerseys?
    http://www.helmethut...(8).jpg

    —Ricko

  • LI Phil | July 17, 2009 at 11:35 am |

    [quote comment=”340671″]http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20090717/capt.tby15307171201.britain_open_golf_tby153.jpg

    What’s up with the grip it and rip it bracelet?[/quote]

    not sure what your question is but “grip it and rip it” is a common phrase big hitters use — literally, no thinking about the shot, just tee it up and hit it as far as you can

    or are you asking if the bracelet “stands” for something, like golfers against bad golf attire

  • denis | July 17, 2009 at 11:36 am |

    New unifroms announced for the IHL’s Quad City Mallards.
    http://www.myqcmalla...

  • Shaggy | July 17, 2009 at 11:36 am |

    Anyone want to bet me a Frozen Custard at Culver’s, that Marquette will be getting new basketball Uniforms this fall, since Mr. Wade is now a Jordan Brand employee?

    I just hope the shorts are at least 25 inches in length!

  • Ricko | July 17, 2009 at 11:36 am |

    [quote comment=”340675″][quote comment=”340668″]take a look at the size of the steelers rings:
    http://sportsillustr...

    as for the gmen, 1986 sounds right.[/quote]

    Not these, complete with high white socks striped to match jerseys?
    http://www.helmethut...(8).jpg

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Let’s try that again.
    http://www.helmethut...(8).jpg

    Homer Jones. He invented the spike, you know.

    —Ricko

  • denis | July 17, 2009 at 11:37 am |

    I posted before I read the entry.

  • leon | July 17, 2009 at 11:38 am |

    or are you asking if the bracelet “stands” for something, like golfers against bad golf attire

    the latter.

    looks like it stands for a way to pay his alimonies.

    and why a lion? shouldn’t it be a razorback or flintstone?

  • LI Phil | July 17, 2009 at 11:38 am |

    this one ricko?

  • anotherguy | July 17, 2009 at 11:39 am |

    [quote comment=”340657″]
    Anyways, I am not saying they copied the Pack, just that there are a lot of facilities that look similar. A lot of people around the league (since the 2003 renovation) have said the packers have some of the best facilites people have ever seen. So if you are going to copy something, copy from the best. And again, I am not accusing the Giant of copying from the Pack, just saying it is similar.[/quote]
    Yeah, you have to admit that there’s only so much you can do with a steel-columned building.

    Logically though, Packers, Vikings, Bills etc. should have been some of the first with an indoor building. So more than likely some of the architects for the rest of the teams went up to see what worked/didn’t work for the Pack when they built their buildings.

  • Ricko | July 17, 2009 at 11:39 am |

    Okay, another image of Homer Jones then.
    http://4.bp.blogspot...

  • chance michaels | July 17, 2009 at 11:39 am |

    Paul,

    Any word on the other teams testing the new high-tech fabric? Namely the Packers?

  • Ricko | July 17, 2009 at 11:39 am |

    [quote comment=”340682″]this one ricko?[/quote]

    Yessir.

  • anotherguy | July 17, 2009 at 11:40 am |

    [quote comment=”340678″]Anyone want to bet me a Frozen Custard at Culver’s, that Marquette will be getting new basketball Uniforms this fall, since Mr. Wade is now a Jordan Brand employee?[/quote]
    What, you aren’t willing to go for the full Butterburger Super Value Meal? :-)

  • leon | July 17, 2009 at 11:46 am |

    Logically though, Packers, Vikings, Bills etc. should have been some of the first with an indoor building. So more than likely some of the architects for the rest of the teams went up to see what worked/didn’t work for the Pack when they built their buildings.

    Cowboys must have chosen what didn’t work.

  • Berto | July 17, 2009 at 11:47 am |

    [quote comment=”340659″][quote comment=”340656″][quote comment=”340645″][quote comment=”340641″]Paul,

    Maybe tell us *why* you can’t tell us most things?

    Is it marketing (i.e. its something that will be unveiled later).

    Is it a trade secret (i.e. something they don’t want other teams to hear about, ever).[/quote]

    Some of it is marketing/embargo/etc. — will be revealed later.

    In the case of the 2011 throwback, it hasn’t been officially approved by the league yet (although my impression is that that’s just a formality).[/quote]

    I know Paul can’t reveal the throwback, but who wants to venture some guesses as to what the throwback will look like?

    I think it’s gotta be a jersey celebrating the 25th anniversary of the 86 Super Bowl champs.

    Thoughts?[/quote]

    The 1975 look?

    http://www.onlinespo...

    Oooooh…I’d like that.

  • interlockingtc | July 17, 2009 at 11:53 am |

    A: “What if we put the logo on…you know…a drainage plate?”

    B: ” A what?”

    C: “A drainage plate.”

    B: “Hmmm. Let me think about that….”

    :)

  • slam | July 17, 2009 at 11:55 am |

    [quote comment=”340618″]Here is a question for any of you old IHL fans. I was looking at some pictures of the Detroit Vipers, and came across this shot:

    http://2.bp.blogspot...

    It appears that the Vipers defenseman has his number on his pants, which would be new to me. I checked some other photos, and there was nothing there.

    http://www.hockeydb....

    http://www.bestsport...

    Was this something they tried for a while?[/quote]

    He is wearing CCM pants. Back then the logo was on the side of the leg.

  • JTH | July 17, 2009 at 11:58 am |

    [quote comment=”340686″][quote comment=”340682″]this one ricko?[/quote]

    Yessir.[/quote]
    Was this the specific image?

  • Keith | July 17, 2009 at 11:59 am |

    Grip it and Rip it is John Daly’s slogan…so a marketing decision

  • Ricko | July 17, 2009 at 12:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”340692″][quote comment=”340686″][quote comment=”340682″]this one ricko?[/quote]

    Yessir.[/quote]
    Was this the specific image?[/quote]

    Yup. Too bad it’s cropped. Pretty sure the original shows his feet and, hence, the socks. It’s from an SI Pro Football Preview issue, I think.

    —Ricko

  • anotherguy | July 17, 2009 at 12:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”340688″]Cowboys…[/quote]
    The ‘Pokes don’t need a very “permanent” building for the most part.

    I’m guessing that the Florida Georgia, Carolina group aren’t springing for a building in the same style as the Packers, Bears & Browns.

  • Hibbs | July 17, 2009 at 12:02 pm |

    A little advice for the Mallard “models”…
    don’t keep your arms behind your back. I couldn’t see the stripe combos on two of the jerseys.

    I didn’t know Beckham always wore sleeves. Is it because he is hiding his “sleeves”?

    What a disgraceful move by Baylor. I’ve had to watch Mizzou wear that hideous concept for some time.

  • Johnny O | July 17, 2009 at 12:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”340681″]or are you asking if the bracelet “stands” for something, like golfers against bad golf attire

    the latter.

    looks like it stands for a way to pay his alimonies.

    and why a lion? shouldn’t it be a razorback or flintstone?[/quote]

    For a while now (7-10 years?) people have called John Daly “The Lion”, or “Lion Heart”. The reason for it is after his stint with alcoholism and all that stuff, he came back, got his life together, and has been playing decent golf. So they say he has the “heart of a lion”.

    I’m pretty sure that is it, but I could do some more digging on the interweb.

  • Johnny O | July 17, 2009 at 12:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”340687″][quote comment=”340678″]Anyone want to bet me a Frozen Custard at Culver’s, that Marquette will be getting new basketball Uniforms this fall, since Mr. Wade is now a Jordan Brand employee?[/quote]
    What, you aren’t willing to go for the full Butterburger Super Value Meal? :-)[/quote]

    I believe they call them “Value Baskets”.

    And the first UWer to visit me in Janesville, WI gets a free lunch from me since I live right next to a Culver’s!

  • Juggernaut | July 17, 2009 at 12:09 pm |

    The pics of those tuxedo unis should come with a huge warning. Maybe NSFTWT (Not Safe For Those With Taste) or something along those lines. That was BRUTAL!

  • Dwayne | July 17, 2009 at 12:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”340618″]Here is a question for any of you old IHL fans. I was looking at some pictures of the Detroit Vipers, and came across this shot:

    http://2.bp.blogspot...

    It appears that the Vipers defenseman has his number on his pants, which would be new to me. I checked some other photos, and there was nothing there.

    http://www.hockeydb....

    http://www.bestsport...

    Was this something they tried for a while?[/quote]

    No, that is the CCM logo sewn on the pants.

  • leon | July 17, 2009 at 12:13 pm |

    The ‘Pokes don’t need a very “permanent” building for the most part.

    Just one that doesn’t collapse on them (sigh).

  • Dwayne | July 17, 2009 at 12:19 pm |

    There were two all-time lows today in Uniwatchland.

    Those IronPigs jerseys & those Mallards jerseys.

    Hideous……

  • amanda | July 17, 2009 at 12:20 pm |

    I didn’t know Beckham always wore sleeves. Is it because he is hiding his “sleeves”?

    He says that it’s because he grew up (in London) wearing long sleeves and has always found it more comfortable. The competitive season in Europe is fall-to-spring, though, and I wouldn’t be surprised if the heat and humidity at the Meadowlands last night was just too much for him.

    I also wouldn’t be surprised if Landon bribed the kitman to “forget” Beckham’s preferred shirt.

  • Berto | July 17, 2009 at 12:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”340696″]A little advice for the Mallard “models”…
    don’t keep your arms behind your back. I couldn’t see the stripe combos on two of the jerseys.

    I didn’t know Beckham always wore sleeves. Is it because he is hiding his “sleeves”?

    What a disgraceful move by Baylor. I’ve had to watch Mizzou wear that hideous concept for some time.[/quote]

    Reverse Jerry Rice.

  • Berto | July 17, 2009 at 12:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”340704″][quote comment=”340696″]
    I didn’t know Beckham always wore sleeves. [/quote]

    Reverse Jerry Rice.[/quote]

    Beckham, that is.

  • Wade Harder | July 17, 2009 at 12:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”340652″][quote comment=”340651″]the Kibbie dome in Moscow, Wyoming has the goalposts attached to the end walls and thats there they play there games at, not a practice facility[/quote]

    there’s a moscow, wyoming?
    does cheney know this?[/quote]

    It’s Moscow, Idaho.

  • Fuzzy Dunlop | July 17, 2009 at 12:31 pm |

    The Iron Pigs were in tuxedo jerseys because there was a wedding at the stadium before the game.

  • Scott Davis | July 17, 2009 at 12:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”340699″]The pics of those tuxedo unis should come with a huge warning. Maybe NSFTWT (Not Safe For Those With Taste) or something along those lines. That was BRUTAL![/quote]

    They weren’t THAT bad. As an everyday jersey, yes they would be brutal, but as a promotional jersey, I think it was all in good fun and quite humorous.

  • Ricko | July 17, 2009 at 12:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”340696″]A little advice for the Mallard “models”…
    don’t keep your arms behind your back. I couldn’t see the stripe combos on two of the jerseys.

    I didn’t know Beckham always wore sleeves. Is it because he is hiding his “sleeves”?

    What a disgraceful move by Baylor. I’ve had to watch Mizzou wear that hideous concept for some time.[/quote]

    I’ve been paying attention to football since the 1950s and don’t remember a white Baylor helmet. When was the last time they wore a white helmet? Did they ever?

    —Ricko

  • David | July 17, 2009 at 12:34 pm |

    Not exactly uni-related – more branding-related … what is the opinion of the term “New York Football Giants”? Isn’t that just a bit redundant? I can understand when the city had two teams in different sports with the same name, but that was … 50 years ago. Do we really need to hear “New York Football Giants?”

    I don’t see or hear “The St. Louis Baseball Cardinals” – so why do the Giants feel the need to emphasize their sport?

    Just curious …

  • Ricko | July 17, 2009 at 12:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”340710″]Not exactly uni-related – more branding-related … what is the opinion of the term “New York Football Giants”? Isn’t that just a bit redundant? I can understand when the city had two teams in different sports with the same name, but that was … 50 years ago. Do we really need to hear “New York Football Giants?”

    I don’t see or hear “The St. Louis Baseball Cardinals” – so why do the Giants feel the need to emphasize their sport?

    Just curious …[/quote]

    Is it a formal designation? I always took it that guys like Berman were saying it for the nostalgia value, to sort of indicate how long the team’s been around, cuz it was just…fun.

    But whaddo I know.

    —Ricko

  • Namhob | July 17, 2009 at 12:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”340710″]Not exactly uni-related – more branding-related … what is the opinion of the term “New York Football Giants”? Isn’t that just a bit redundant? I can understand when the city had two teams in different sports with the same name, but that was … 50 years ago. Do we really need to hear “New York Football Giants?”

    I don’t see or hear “The St. Louis Baseball Cardinals” – so why do the Giants feel the need to emphasize their sport?

    Just curious …[/quote]
    I would say tradition, but they could have also bought a sh*t load of stationary with that name on it and are waiting for their supply to run out.

  • LI Phil | July 17, 2009 at 12:40 pm |

    [quote] what is the opinion of the term “New York Football Giants”? Isn’t that just a bit redundant?[/quote]

    they were incorporated as the NYFG, so it’s more of a legal than a practical term

    plus, who doesn’t have visions (echoes?) of john facenda’s beautiful “the New York Football Giants” when describing the teams earlier days?

    yeah…stoneham pulled the baseball giants out of NY long ago…but they’ve ALWAYS been the NYFG

  • Ricko | July 17, 2009 at 12:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”340713″][quote] what is the opinion of the term “New York Football Giants”? Isn’t that just a bit redundant?[/quote]

    they were incorporated as the NYFG, so it’s more of a legal than a practical term

    plus, who doesn’t have visions (echoes?) of john facenda’s beautiful “the New York Football Giants” when describing the teams earlier days?

    yeah…stoneham pulled the baseball giants out of NY long ago…but they’ve ALWAYS been the NYFG[/quote]

    So it’s both. An official designation, and a bit of nostalgia.

    Now we know.

  • LI Phil | July 17, 2009 at 12:43 pm |

    [quote]guys like Berman were saying it for the nostalgia value[/quote]

    “guys like berman” … meaning douchebags … were merely mimicking EVERY PREVIOUS broadcaster who ever used a particular ‘term’ or ‘influxation'(such as the NYFG i spoke of above)

    even “back back back” is a ripoff of someone (forget who)

    he may view it as an homage…i view it as unnecessary and incessant

    berman should be forced to come up with his OWN catchphrases … oh wait… he can’t

  • Big Al | July 17, 2009 at 12:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”340689″][quote comment=”340659″]The 1975 look?
    http://www.onlinespo...
    Oooooh…I’d like that.[/quote]
    I know I’m in the minority, but I love that logo. Distant Replays once had a hat with the italicized NY logo on it, but it was one of their hideous New Era fitted thug jobs with piping on every panel. Yecch.

  • Teebz | July 17, 2009 at 12:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”340714″][quote comment=”340713″][quote] what is the opinion of the term “New York Football Giants”? Isn’t that just a bit redundant?[/quote]

    they were incorporated as the NYFG, so it’s more of a legal than a practical term

    plus, who doesn’t have visions (echoes?) of john facenda’s beautiful “the New York Football Giants” when describing the teams earlier days?

    yeah…stoneham pulled the baseball giants out of NY long ago…but they’ve ALWAYS been the NYFG[/quote]

    So it’s both. An official designation, and a bit of nostalgia.

    Now we know.[/quote]

    [sarcasm]I’m going with the more contemporary answer. It’s the height of our society’s advancement.

    When you consider the number of people who say “ATM machine” and “PIN number”, it’s clear that we’re stuck in the midst of the redundant era.[/sarcasm]

  • Oakville Endive | July 17, 2009 at 12:48 pm |

    i quite liked the BC Lions retro look last night. Orange is a great accent colour.

  • aflfan | July 17, 2009 at 12:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”340618″]Here is a question for any of you old IHL fans. I was looking at some pictures of the Detroit Vipers, and came across this shot:

    http://2.bp.blogspot...

    It appears that the Vipers defenseman has his number on his pants, which would be new to me. I checked some other photos, and there was nothing there.

    http://www.hockeydb....

    http://www.bestsport...

    Was this something they tried for a while?[/quote]

    Not to my knowledge and I attended A LOT of Vipers games.

  • JTH | July 17, 2009 at 12:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”340715″][quote]guys like Berman were saying it for the nostalgia value[/quote]

    “guys like berman” … meaning douchebags … were merely mimicking EVERY PREVIOUS broadcaster who ever used a particular ‘term’ or ‘influxation'(such as the NYFG i spoke of above)

    even “back back back” is a ripoff of someone (forget who)

    he may view it as an homage…i view it as unnecessary and incessant

    berman should be forced to come up with his OWN catchphrases … oh wait… he can’t[/quote]
    I can’t stand “New York Football Giants” and I just want that term to go away.

    It’s probably because of the way Berman says it. Same goes for Frozen Tundra, Da Raidahs, NFC Norris, and… well, every term he’s driven into the ground. So in other words, pretty much everything that comes out of his mouth.

  • LI Phil | July 17, 2009 at 12:54 pm |

    nike just released the updated list of tiger’s open outfits

  • joe | July 17, 2009 at 12:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”340706″][quote comment=”340652″][quote comment=”340651″]the Kibbie dome in Moscow, Wyoming has the goalposts attached to the end walls and thats there they play there games at, not a practice facility[/quote]

    there’s a moscow, wyoming?
    does cheney know this?[/quote]

    It’s Moscow, Idaho.[/quote]

    Doh, what a dumb mistype I made there.

  • Big Al | July 17, 2009 at 12:56 pm |

    Paul —

    Coming from a huge NYG fan, fantastic stuff.

    Did Joe take you offsite for lunch? Rutt’s? I would have suggested Annabella’s or the Thursday General Tso’s special at Village Gourmet (frequented by Lawrence Frank, Rod Thorn and a bunch of NJSEA d-bags).

    Love the Paramus Spartans gear. The Skibas are good people, as are most of the NYG support staff; played softball against them for years…

  • Kek | July 17, 2009 at 12:58 pm |

    “An Afternoon at the Meadowlands”

    Wow, before this post, that phrase would have meant bettin’ on some ponies.

    Not that that’s bad, but this is much better!

    Very cool to get that inside look. Neat post.

  • anotherguy | July 17, 2009 at 12:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”340715″]even “back back back” is a ripoff of someone (forget who)[/quote]
    Maybe Jack Brickhouse.

    Now if Brick ripped it off from someone else, well then we’d really have a story.

  • leon | July 17, 2009 at 1:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”340722″][quote comment=”340706″][quote comment=”340652″][quote comment=”340651″]the Kibbie dome in Moscow, Wyoming has the goalposts attached to the end walls and thats there they play there games at, not a practice facility[/quote]

    there’s a moscow, wyoming?
    does cheney know this?[/quote]

    It’s Moscow, Idaho.[/quote]

    Doh, what a dumb mistype I made there.[/quote]

    Don’t you mean “their”.

  • leon | July 17, 2009 at 1:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”340721″]nike just released the updated list of tiger’s open outfits[/quote]

    Good one!

    Wonder what John Daly will be wearing Sunday?

  • Lee | July 17, 2009 at 1:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”340726″][quote comment=”340722″][quote comment=”340706″][quote comment=”340652″][quote comment=”340651″]the Kibbie dome in Moscow, Wyoming has the goalposts attached to the end walls and thats there they play there games at, not a practice facility[/quote]

    there’s a moscow, wyoming?
    does cheney know this?[/quote]

    It’s Moscow, Idaho.[/quote]

    Doh, what a dumb mistype I made there.[/quote]

    Don’t you mean “their”.[/quote]

    No, “they’re”.

    Lee

  • Mike Engle | July 17, 2009 at 1:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”340703″]I didn’t know Beckham always wore sleeves. Is it because he is hiding his “sleeves”?

    He says that it’s because he grew up (in London) wearing long sleeves and has always found it more comfortable. The competitive season in Europe is fall-to-spring, though, and I wouldn’t be surprised if the heat and humidity at the Meadowlands last night was just too much for him.

    I also wouldn’t be surprised if Landon bribed the kitman to “forget” Beckham’s preferred shirt.[/quote]
    That, and I also heard that while he likes his tattoos, he realizes some spectators will not, so he opts for the cover-up shirt every time.

  • anotherdouche | July 17, 2009 at 1:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”340725″][quote comment=”340715″]even “back back back” is a ripoff of someone (forget who)[/quote]
    Maybe Jack Brickhouse.

    Now if Brick ripped it off from someone else, well then we’d really have a story.[/quote]
    I guess we do, because Berman is disgracing the memory of paying homage to Red Barber.

    How often did Brickhouse even say “back, back”? Granted, I was a kid when I was listening to him call Cubs games, but I don’t remember hearing him say it at all.

    The only time I remember hearing it is when I’ve seen replays of Ernie Banks’ 500th home run.

  • KT | July 17, 2009 at 1:19 pm |

    No, that’s not it.

    He has always stated it’s tradition/superstition/preference, not because he wants to hide tattoos. He wore long sleeves MOST of the time even early in his career (you can find the occasional shot of him in short sleeves, though).

  • KT | July 17, 2009 at 1:22 pm |

    Beckham at 17 (long sleeves).

  • Ricko | July 17, 2009 at 1:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”340717″][quote comment=”340714″][quote comment=”340713″][quote] what is the opinion of the term “New York Football Giants”? Isn’t that just a bit redundant?[/quote]

    they were incorporated as the NYFG, so it’s more of a legal than a practical term

    plus, who doesn’t have visions (echoes?) of john facenda’s beautiful “the New York Football Giants” when describing the teams earlier days?

    yeah…stoneham pulled the baseball giants out of NY long ago…but they’ve ALWAYS been the NYFG[/quote]

    So it’s both. An official designation, and a bit of nostalgia.

    Now we know.[/quote]

    [sarcasm]I’m going with the more contemporary answer. It’s the height of our society’s advancement.

    When you consider the number of people who say “ATM machine” and “PIN number”, it’s clear that we’re stuck in the midst of the redundant era.[/sarcasm][/quote]

    Yup, that’s the general consensus.
    (smirk)

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | July 17, 2009 at 1:34 pm |

    I’d also like to order a great big huge hamburger.

  • JTH | July 17, 2009 at 1:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”340734″]I’d also like to order a great big huge hamburger.[/quote]
    Those are best at about 3 a.m. in the morning.

  • Ricko | July 17, 2009 at 1:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”340735″][quote comment=”340734″]I’d also like to order a great big huge hamburger.[/quote]
    Those are best at about 3 a.m. in the morning.[/quote]

    I completely totally agree with you.

  • Mark K | July 17, 2009 at 2:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”340709″][quote comment=”340696″]A little advice for the Mallard “models”…
    don’t keep your arms behind your back. I couldn’t see the stripe combos on two of the jerseys.

    I didn’t know Beckham always wore sleeves. Is it because he is hiding his “sleeves”?

    What a disgraceful move by Baylor. I’ve had to watch Mizzou wear that hideous concept for some time.[/quote]

    I’ve been paying attention to football since the 1950s and don’t remember a white Baylor helmet. When was the last time they wore a white helmet? Did they ever?

    —Ricko[/quote]

    1969 – 1971

  • Greenie | July 17, 2009 at 2:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”340631″]The underside of the Burger King jerseys are genius![/quote]

    Should be listed in Sports Illustrated as “This Week’s Sign Of The Apocalypse”.

  • Ricko | July 17, 2009 at 2:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”340738″][quote comment=”340631″]The underside of the Burger King jerseys are genius![/quote]

    Should be listed in Sports Illustrated as “This Week’s Sign Of The Apocalypse”.[/quote]

    Indeed. One the most strangely disquieting ad campaigns in years can now be encountered at any moment, anywhere (and you may have to look at some guy’s stomach at the same time).

    —Ricko

  • rpm | July 17, 2009 at 2:17 pm |

    guess what came in today 5 days early. new instructions posted soon. that is all.

  • Greenie | July 17, 2009 at 2:21 pm |

    [quote comment=\”340698\”][quote comment=\”340687\”][quote comment=\”340678\”]Anyone want to bet me a Frozen Custard at Culver\’s, that Marquette will be getting new basketball Uniforms this fall, since Mr. Wade is now a Jordan Brand employee?[/quote]
    What, you aren\’t willing to go for the full Butterburger Super Value Meal? :-)[/quote]

    I believe they call them \”Value Baskets\”.

    And the first UWer to visit me in Janesville, WI gets a free lunch from me since I live right next to a Culver\’s![/quote]

    How do you feel about dinner on the 31st? I\’ll be moving to Louisiana for grad school and will be heading down 39 to avoid 294 around Chicago.

    -Greenie

  • Paul Lukas | July 17, 2009 at 2:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”340685″]Paul,

    Any word on the other teams testing the new high-tech fabric? Namely the Packers?[/quote]

    Yes.

  • Berto | July 17, 2009 at 2:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”340740″]guess what came in today 5 days early. new instructions posted soon. that is all.[/quote]

    DIY BK jersey?

  • BlueH2o | July 17, 2009 at 2:27 pm |

    [quote comment=\”340721\”]nike just released the updated list of tiger\’s open outfits[/quote]

    Looks like he won\’t be wearing the Saturday/Sunday outfit as he\’s most likely going to miss the cut!!

  • Big Al | July 17, 2009 at 2:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”340740″]guess what came in today 5 days early. new instructions posted soon. that is all.[/quote]
    If I had a dollar for every time I heard that re: a menstrual cycle…

  • fran fried | July 17, 2009 at 2:31 pm |

    My 37 cents:

    * I’m guessing the 2011 New York Football Giants throwbacks will be something from the 1934 era — Mel Hein, Tuffy Leemans, Ken Strong, Ed Danowski — with at least as much red as blue mixed in with the white … hopefully with those old Fenway numbers, like the ’34 Giants …

    * I’ve never followed the CFL closely, but I would probably drop some plastic someday for a throwback of those white Toronto Argos jerseys from the ’60s (see the top row, center foto of the retro gallery on the linked CFL page). Multi-striping, two shades of blue, light blue-on-dark blue numbers — I’m there. That’s a classic look …

    * The “back back back” call as we know it (via Chris “Beast Of” Berman) was Red Barber’s call of Al Gionfriddo tracking down Joe DiMaggio’s long drive in the ’47 Series …

    That’s all — and, oh yeah, the Ironpigs’ tuxes look sharp …

  • Paul Lukas | July 17, 2009 at 2:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”340723″]Did Joe take you offsite for lunch? Rutt’s?[/quote]

    I wish. Love Rutt’s. But we just ordered delivery from a local deli.

  • J-Dub | July 17, 2009 at 2:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”340698″][quote comment=”340687″][quote comment=”340678″]Anyone want to bet me a Frozen Custard at Culver’s, that Marquette will be getting new basketball Uniforms this fall, since Mr. Wade is now a Jordan Brand employee?[/quote]
    What, you aren’t willing to go for the full Butterburger Super Value Meal? :-)[/quote]

    I believe they call them “Value Baskets”.

    And the first UWer to visit me in Janesville, WI gets a free lunch from me since I live right next to a Culver’s![/quote]
    Throw in a six-pack of Gray’s and you’ve got a deal ;-)
    BTW – I’m a FIB in DuPage County

  • silentfrank | July 17, 2009 at 2:43 pm |

    Regarding the Getafe jerseys-

    Reading from the footballshirtculture.com message boards, there’s some doubt if the King’s really on the underside of the shirt. Take it for what’s it worth :-S

    Yes I understand that no sponsorship is the ideal, but is Burger King worse than Fly Emirates or T-Mobile?

    I’m guessing fast food sponsorships rank “worse” than airlines and cell phones because the bad health perception of the first one. I’ll agree to disagree, but hopefully I interpreted that right.

  • Carl Dagger | July 17, 2009 at 2:54 pm |

    looks like little joe had an excellent taste in uniform numbers as well

  • anotherguy | July 17, 2009 at 2:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”340698″]I believe they call them “Value Baskets”.[/quote]
    LOL! Yeah they certainly do. ;-)

    There’s one not more than 2-3 miles from me. I first experienced them on a trip to Mad-town a while back. One thing I’ve noticed (and maybe it’s because this is getting more important to me in my old age) is that they’re about as hyper as any restaurant in terms of cleanliness and cleaning up the dining room.

  • anotherguy | July 17, 2009 at 2:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”340741″]..to avoid 294 around Chicago.[/quote]
    You make it sound as if our tollway system is congested and wildly inefficient.

  • anotherguy | July 17, 2009 at 3:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”340735″]Those are best at about 3 a.m. in the morning.[/quote]
    JTH, I’m sure you know that White Castle is about the only 24 hour restaurant that’s open at 3:00 am in the morning.

  • Namhob | July 17, 2009 at 3:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”340753″][quote comment=”340735″]Those are best at about 3 a.m. in the morning.[/quote]
    JTH, I’m sure you know that White Castle is about the only 24 hour restaurant that’s open at 3:00 am in the morning.[/quote]
    If I’m not mistaken, shouldn’t all 24-hour restaurants be open at 3:00 in the morning?

  • JSS | July 17, 2009 at 3:08 pm |

    I am also very disappointed in Baylor’s decision here….not so much with the white helmet…much more so with the black….

  • anotherguy | July 17, 2009 at 3:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”340730″]
    I guess we do, because Berman is disgracing the memory of paying homage to Red Barber.

    How often did Brickhouse even say “back, back”? Granted, I was a kid when I was listening to him call Cubs games, but I don’t remember hearing him say it at all.

    The only time I remember hearing it is when I’ve seen replays of Ernie Banks’ 500th home run.[/quote]

    I recall Jack saying it on a regular basis.

    I suppose Brickhouse could have ripped it off from Red Barber. Barber started doing MLB six years before Jack (if you believe Wikipedia).

    It’s hard to tell how much time Brick might have had to listen to either Reds or Dodgers broadcasts growing up in central Illinois, it’s not outside the realm of possiblity. Improbable? Yes. Impossible? No.

    (BTW, just because Berman says he got it from Barber doesn’t mean that Brick also took it from Barber.)

  • Ricko | July 17, 2009 at 3:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”340753″][quote comment=”340735″]Those are best at about 3 a.m. in the morning.[/quote]
    JTH, I’m sure you know that White Castle is about the only 24 hour restaurant that’s open at 3:00 am in the morning.[/quote]

    Ah, yes, fine dining in the world famous Porcelain Room.

  • anotherguy | July 17, 2009 at 3:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”340754″]If I’m not mistaken, shouldn’t all 24-hour restaurants be open at 3:00 in the morning?[/quote]Well sure, if you want to be technically accurate about the legal details…

    (Actually I’m just yanking JTH’s chain from a continuing joke that started in today’s comments and has run on for about an hour or so now.)

  • anotherguy | July 17, 2009 at 3:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”340757″]Ah, yes, fine dining in the world famous Porcelain Room.[/quote]
    Well a different Porcelain room is needed later.

    Don’t forget to get the Sunday paper if you’ve been to Whitey’s on Saturday night.

  • Namhob | July 17, 2009 at 3:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”340758″][quote comment=”340754″]If I’m not mistaken, shouldn’t all 24-hour restaurants be open at 3:00 in the morning?[/quote]Well sure, if you want to be technically accurate about the legal details…

    (Actually I’m just yanking JTH’s chain from a continuing joke that started in today’s comments and has run on for about an hour or so now.)[/quote]
    S’ok, I’m just being a smart ass for no good reason.

  • anotherguy | July 17, 2009 at 3:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”340760″]S’ok, I’m just being a smart ass for no good reason.[/quote]
    Okay. It took me quite a while to catch on to some of the running jokes around here. :-)

  • bujellis | July 17, 2009 at 3:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”340709″][quote comment=”340696″]A little advice for the Mallard “models”…
    don’t keep your arms behind your back. I couldn’t see the stripe combos on two of the jerseys.

    I didn’t know Beckham always wore sleeves. Is it because he is hiding his “sleeves”?

    What a disgraceful move by Baylor. I’ve had to watch Mizzou wear that hideous concept for some time.[/quote]

    I’ve been paying attention to football since the 1950s and don’t remember a white Baylor helmet. When was the last time they wore a white helmet? Did they ever?

    —Ricko[/quote]

    They wore them for three seasons from 69-71 and won 3 games in those seasons. Baylor plays Mizzou and Wake Forest who share the same Nike template. Don’t like the black.

    http://swchelmets.tr...

  • =bg= | July 17, 2009 at 3:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”340715″][quote]guys like Berman were saying it for the nostalgia value[/quote]

    “guys like berman” … meaning douchebags … were merely mimicking EVERY PREVIOUS broadcaster who ever used a particular ‘term’ or ‘influxation'(such as the NYFG i spoke of above)

    even “back back back” is a ripoff of someone (forget who)

    he may view it as an homage…i view it as unnecessary and incessant

    berman should be forced to come up with his OWN catchphrases … oh wait… he can’t[/quote]

    Proud to say I have my own Berman nickname, bestowed upon me in a leetter he wrote me after we did a phoner interview. I called around to various sports figures toget audio for an Anthony Munoz tribute thing I was making for our station.

    “Brinke’s Robbery.”

  • Oakville Endive | July 17, 2009 at 3:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”340614″]Those Mallards jerseys won’t be confused with anything else. That is for sure… except for maybe those new Seahawks jerseys that Yahoo was talking about. ;)

    http://bloximages.ch...

    They’re not the worst things I’ve seen – I think it’s only a matter of time, before there will be a team in the big four (NFL, NBA, MLB and the NHL) to legitimately break the lime green colour barrier – i.e have it as a predominant colour on at least an alternative uniform.

    I think the Mallards crest would be better – if there was something hockey about it – even if it was simply a case of the mallard carrying a puck in it’s mouth, otherwise it looks more like a logo your grandmother would have on her knit sweater.

  • bourbon soaked idiot | July 17, 2009 at 3:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”340749″]Regarding the Getafe jerseys-

    Reading from the footballshirtculture.com message boards, there’s some doubt if the King’s really on the underside of the shirt. Take it for what’s it worth :-S

    Yes I understand that no sponsorship is the ideal, but is Burger King worse than Fly Emirates or T-Mobile?

    I’m guessing fast food sponsorships rank “worse” than airlines and cell phones because the bad health perception of the first one. I’ll agree to disagree, but hopefully I interpreted that right.[/quote]

    so toothpaste sponsorship would rank ahead of airlines and cell phones then?

  • LarryB | July 17, 2009 at 4:02 pm |

    Great CFL link for the 60’s clips and pictures. I did watch some of the Edmonton. BC Lions game last night online.

    Both of the throwback unis were sharp. Those Eskimo unis are better than the ones they have used for a long time

  • Nick Cristiano | July 17, 2009 at 4:13 pm |

    As for the Giants, I’m hoping for the Homer Jones era white throwback, too. Would bring back memories of seeing the Giants at Yankee Stadium as a kid. They wore the all-white uni for all home games in ’67, and it looked damn sharp with the stripes on the white socks matching the stripes on the jersey.

  • Dwayne | July 17, 2009 at 4:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”340716″][quote comment=”340689″][quote comment=”340659″]The 1975 look?
    http://www.onlinespo...
    Oooooh…I’d like that.[/quote]
    I know I’m in the minority, but I love that logo. Distant Replays once had a hat with the italicized NY logo on it, but it was one of their hideous New Era fitted thug jobs with piping on every panel. Yecch.[/quote]
    [quote comment=”340716″][quote comment=”340689″][quote comment=”340659″]The 1975 look?
    http://www.onlinespo...
    Oooooh…I’d like that.[/quote]
    I know I’m in the minority, but I love that logo. Distant Replays once had a hat with the italicized NY logo on it, but it was one of their hideous New Era fitted thug jobs with piping on every panel. Yecch.[/quote]

    I too, love that helmet logo.

  • Kevin | July 17, 2009 at 4:40 pm |

    Yet another team copying from the greatest franchise in sports, the Green Bay Packers. Trend setters. The rubes in NY like Lukas will think they are doing something unique, lol.

  • Teebz | July 17, 2009 at 4:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”340769″]Yet another team copying from the greatest franchise in sports, the Green Bay Packers. Trend setters. The rubes in NY like Lukas will think they are doing something unique, lol.[/quote]

    “greatest franchise in sports”?

    That’s a lofty title for a team that has some history, but nowhere near the success of others.

  • Hibbs | July 17, 2009 at 4:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”340762″][quote comment=”340709″][quote comment=”340696″]A little advice for the Mallard “models”…
    don’t keep your arms behind your back. I couldn’t see the stripe combos on two of the jerseys.

    I didn’t know Beckham always wore sleeves. Is it because he is hiding his “sleeves”?

    What a disgraceful move by Baylor. I’ve had to watch Mizzou wear that hideous concept for some time.[/quote]

    I’ve been paying attention to football since the 1950s and don’t remember a white Baylor helmet. When was the last time they wore a white helmet? Did they ever?

    —Ricko[/quote]

    They wore them for three seasons from 69-71 and won 3 games in those seasons. Baylor plays Mizzou and Wake Forest who share the same Nike template. Don’t like the black.

    http://swchelmets.tr...

    I hate the whole kitten and caboodle.

  • Teebz | July 17, 2009 at 5:28 pm |

    For those of you interested in the short-lived Starter “fan” jerseys of NHL teams, there is a Panthers jersey on eBay right now.

    Yellow Panthers? Maybe in the bizarro-NHL.

  • anotherguy | July 17, 2009 at 5:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”340770″]

    “greatest franchise in sports”?

    That’s a lofty title for a team that has some history, but nowhere near the success of others.[/quote]
    Teebz, that should say “greatest franchise in the universe”.

  • Teebz | July 17, 2009 at 5:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”340773″][quote comment=”340770″]

    “greatest franchise in sports”?

    That’s a lofty title for a team that has some history, but nowhere near the success of others.[/quote]
    Teebz, that should say “greatest franchise in the universe”.[/quote]

    Much more appropriate! LOL

  • J.Skiba | July 17, 2009 at 5:59 pm |

    Trust me, we aren’t copying anyone Kevin…

  • Berto | July 17, 2009 at 6:02 pm |

    Just checked out the Google gallery. There’s an interesting bitterness infused through those captions.

  • M.Princip | July 17, 2009 at 6:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”340768″][quote comment=”340716″][quote comment=”340689″][quote comment=”340659″]The 1975 look?
    http://www.onlinespo...
    Oooooh…I’d like that.[/quote]
    I know I’m in the minority, but I love that logo. Distant Replays once had a hat with the italicized NY logo on it, but it was one of their hideous New Era fitted thug jobs with piping on every panel. Yecch.[/quote]
    [quote comment=”340716″][quote comment=”340689″][quote comment=”340659″]The 1975 look?
    http://www.onlinespo...
    Oooooh…I’d like that.[/quote]
    I know I’m in the minority, but I love that logo. Distant Replays once had a hat with the italicized NY logo on it, but it was one of their hideous New Era fitted thug jobs with piping on every panel. Yecch.[/quote]

    I too, love that helmet logo.[/quote]

    Add me to the love for that logo.

    Thanks to Paul and Joe for the awesome Giants facility tour. Those vintage wall coverings are brilliant.

  • J.Skiba | July 17, 2009 at 6:14 pm |

    Paul and I thought it would be great for everyone to see the pictures that are up on the walls…there’s a lot of great history in this organization and these pictures capture the tradition…I wish I could give everyone a tour, let’s have Paul rent a bus…

  • M.Princip | July 17, 2009 at 6:20 pm |

    Paul, did you get any word back from the Seahawks about them wearing the alt. green jersey this season? Lots of green at the Pro Shop, and some employees are saying they will be wearing the green jersey for a couple games? eek……….I fear the worst, hope for the best.

  • Ricko | July 17, 2009 at 6:23 pm |

    Here’s that full shot of Homer Jones…
    http://farm3.static....

    And Tarkenton in same uni…
    http://farm3.static....

    Although, based on Paul’s description, sounds like those unis with the white panels (’34?) might be more likely.

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | July 17, 2009 at 6:25 pm |

    oops, HERE’s Tarkenton…
    http://farm4.static....

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | July 17, 2009 at 6:31 pm |

    Why Giants wear red numbers, stripes and socks with their white jerseys…
    http://farm3.static....

    They haven’t ALWAYS been known as the “Big Blue.” That’s relatively recent.

    —Ricko

  • M.Princip | July 17, 2009 at 6:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”340782″]Why Giants wear red numbers, stripes and socks with their white jerseys…
    http://farm3.static....

    They haven’t ALWAYS been known as the “Big Blue.” That’s relatively recent.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    “Big Blue” heads(helmets)….heh heh.

  • Ricko | July 17, 2009 at 6:52 pm |

    A lonnnnnnng time ago, the White Sox were pondering a move to St. Petersburg. So I designed some unis adding yellow for brightness, that could be used for White Sox, I pondered, if they changed their name to “Sun Sox”.

    Messed around with a logo, too. Turned out…interesting. Sometimes I think it’s a lefthanded hitter driving one toward the palm trees in the distance…or a righty pulling one toward the viewer.

    http://farm3.static....
    http://farm3.static....

    —Ricko

  • Johnny O | July 17, 2009 at 6:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”340770″][quote comment=”340769″]Yet another team copying from the greatest franchise in sports, the Green Bay Packers. Trend setters. The rubes in NY like Lukas will think they are doing something unique, lol.[/quote]

    “greatest franchise in sports”?

    That’s a lofty title for a team that has some history, but nowhere near the success of others.[/quote]

    I knew my earlier comments might turn into this type of discussion. *sigh* Again, I am not accusing the Giants of copying the Packers. I just wanted to point out some similarities the two teams had, nothing more.

    Quick question for Mr. Skiba… have you ever been to Lambeau Field (since renovation) for pleasure and were able to really look around and at least kind of see where I am coming from with my comments? I obviously know you were there for the ’07 NFC Championship, but you probably had other things to worry about while in Title Town.

  • Michael Emody | July 17, 2009 at 6:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”340613″]According to this blog post, there are six teams teaming up with Victoria’s Secret… the Red Sox, the Mets, the Yankees, the Phillies, the Cubs, and the White Sox
    http://mochisowner.b...

    Ebbets Field Flannels could team up with Victoria’s Secret
    rather easily.
    Very easy.
    Too easy.
    An exciting merge.
    Ok, insert
    your own innuendo
    here,
    more
    or less.
    I’m finished.

  • =bg= | July 17, 2009 at 6:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”340753″][quote comment=”340735″]Those are best at about 3 a.m. in the morning.[/quote]
    JTH, I’m sure you know that White Castle is about the only 24 hour restaurant that’s open at 3:00 am in the morning.[/quote]

    I wish we had White Castle’s on the West Coast. Grew up goin’ there.

    But…

    we have IN and OUT BURGER.

    You all on the East Coast have no idea what you’re missing..

  • Scott Davis | July 17, 2009 at 7:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”340784″]A lonnnnnnng time ago, the White Sox were pondering a move to St. Petersburg. So I designed some unis adding yellow for brightness, that could be used for White Sox, I pondered, if they changed their name to “Sun Sox”.

    Messed around with a logo, too. Turned out…interesting. Sometimes I think it’s a lefthanded hitter driving one toward the palm trees in the distance…or a righty pulling one toward the viewer.

    http://farm3.static....
    http://farm3.static....

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Nice work! That was a real treat. Thanks for that, Ricko.

  • Scott Davis | July 17, 2009 at 7:10 pm |

    Blue on Blue match-up tonight in Toronto. Toronto with their powder blue throwbacks and the Sox with their (seldom used) blue alts.

  • Hibbs | July 17, 2009 at 7:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”340782″]Why Giants wear red numbers, stripes and socks with their white jerseys…
    http://farm3.static....

    They haven’t ALWAYS been known as the “Big Blue.” That’s relatively recent.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    That is damn near flawless.

  • Hibbs | July 17, 2009 at 7:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”340781″]oops, HERE’s Tarkenton…
    http://farm4.static....

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Oopsies.
    I meant this is damn near flawless.

  • Hibbs | July 17, 2009 at 7:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”340784″]A lonnnnnnng time ago, the White Sox were pondering a move to St. Petersburg. So I designed some unis adding yellow for brightness, that could be used for White Sox, I pondered, if they changed their name to “Sun Sox”.

    Messed around with a logo, too. Turned out…interesting. Sometimes I think it’s a lefthanded hitter driving one toward the palm trees in the distance…or a righty pulling one toward the viewer.

    http://farm3.static....
    http://farm3.static....

    —Ricko[/quote]

    When was that? Late 80’s? Early 90’s?
    I believe I drew something as well. I think I changed their names to the Sun Rays.
    Come to think of it, did the Giants threaten to move to St. Pete in the late 80’s?

  • M.Princip | July 17, 2009 at 7:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”340788″][quote comment=”340784″]A lonnnnnnng time ago, the White Sox were pondering a move to St. Petersburg. So I designed some unis adding yellow for brightness, that could be used for White Sox, I pondered, if they changed their name to “Sun Sox”.

    Messed around with a logo, too. Turned out…interesting. Sometimes I think it’s a lefthanded hitter driving one toward the palm trees in the distance…or a righty pulling one toward the viewer.

    http://farm3.static....
    http://farm3.static....

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Nice work! That was a real treat. Thanks for that, Ricko.[/quote]

    Yep, I second that. Nice!

  • Ricko | July 17, 2009 at 7:17 pm |

    What the College All Stars wore when there still was a College All-Star game.
    Note how high the striping is on the socks.
    http://farm3.static....

    —Ricko

  • ASM | July 17, 2009 at 7:21 pm |

    no screen shot but the Royals are having a hall of fame game right now before their game with the Rays. Im looking at George Brett in powder blues right now!

    Granted its the “new”powder blues but they got pants and everything. Hopefully this is a good thing and the boys are wearing the same.

  • Berto | July 17, 2009 at 7:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”340794″]What the College All Stars wore when there still was a College All-Star game.
    Note how high the striping is on the socks.
    http://farm3.static....

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Those uni designs are nice. I like the logo on the sock.

    college stars playing an NFL team? Wow. Imagine the issues you’d have to clear to do that today. My friends and I always thought it would be a great exhibition to have the college national champ play the worst NFL team.

  • Ricko | July 17, 2009 at 7:31 pm |

    Hope nobody thinks I’m wasting space, but I’m sitting here looking for something in particular and finding lots of oddball stuff, or things mentioned here in the past.

    Here’s a shot of Mike Phipps showing…
    a) Those black Ohio State TV numbers.
    b) That one-year special Purdue helmet decal that’s been discussed.
    http://farm3.static....

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | July 17, 2009 at 7:37 pm |

    Here’s Dick Butkus in the vastly different Illinois home and road unis…
    http://vault.sportsi...
    Roads looking esp. good vs. Michigan State’s kelly green.
    http://farm4.static....

    —Ricko

  • Oakville Endive | July 17, 2009 at 7:38 pm |

    Good decision the White Sox made not moving to Tampa Bay. While they’ll always be the 2nd baseball team in the 2nd city, Tampa Bay has proven to be a horrible baseball market, with one asterix.

    The asterix being how much does what appear to be the most gloomy non-astmospheric stadium in baseball – come into their poor support. Atmosphere counts !! – as the restaurant industry knows – and such events as the Winter Classic prove out.

    I realize someone going to say, well their attendance has improved. I would argue, the fact that they made the World Series last year and truly have an exciting team, and yet still draw some very low crowds – must really be alarming to the owners – who appear to be some of the better owners a team can have

  • dave r | July 17, 2009 at 7:38 pm |

    This might have been posted here before, but here are all of the special Google logos.

  • JimV19 | July 17, 2009 at 7:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”340640″][quote comment=”340620″]the Steelers’ golden triangle design would be much cooler if (a) they hadn’t sucked so much when they wore them and (b) if Jason hadn’t picked the number of Kent Nix, one of the players that made the sucking even more painful than it already was. No Bill Nelsen, he.[/quote]

    Haha- yes, they sucked pretty bad when they wore these. But I love the story and inspiration for the design, and it’s rather unique. Plus, I think it looks cool.

    Oh, and the number definitely isn’t for Nix. :)[/quote]

    Roy Gerela?

  • JimV19 | July 17, 2009 at 7:57 pm |

    The indoor football leagues that aren’t part of the patented Arena League use suspended goal posts, just like the ones at the Giants’ facility. I went to a game outside of Akron OH a couple of years ago, and the walls were nothing more than plastic highway dividers covered with padding. If the players ran into them they would separate and they’d have to help fix them. Didn’t look too safe to me.

    I prefer outdoor football, but I do like those mini-domes like the Kibbie Dome. I think Northern Arizona and Northern Iowa have those, too.

  • Ricko | July 17, 2009 at 8:01 pm |

    Strong-armed outfield prospect whose baseball career never amounted to much.
    http://farm3.static....

    —Ricko

  • Dave | July 17, 2009 at 8:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”340627″]Glavine’s #47, Smoltz’s #29, Bobby Cox’s #6, and Chipper Jones’ #10 will all be up there once they retire.[/quote]

    Smoltz probably. Chipper, probably. Never heard of a manager’s number being retired before. Glavine, definitely not. He was one of the most unpopular players on the team, left for a bucket of cash from the Mets, and has been a general jerk so far this season.

  • Cathy | July 17, 2009 at 8:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”340645″][quote comment=”340641″]Paul,

    Maybe tell us *why* you can’t tell us most things?

    Is it marketing (i.e. its something that will be unveiled later).

    Is it a trade secret (i.e. something they don’t want other teams to hear about, ever).[/quote]

    Some of it is marketing/embargo/etc. — will be revealed later.

    In the case of the 2011 throwback, it hasn’t been officially approved by the league yet (although my impression is that that’s just a formality).[/quote]

    [quote comment=\”340645\”][quote comment=\”340641\”]Paul,

    Maybe tell us *why* you can\’t tell us most things?

    Is it marketing (i.e. its something that will be unveiled later).

    Is it a trade secret (i.e. something they don\’t want other teams to hear about, ever).[/quote]

    Some of it is marketing/embargo/etc. — will be revealed later.

    In the case of the 2011 throwback, it hasn\’t been officially approved by the league yet (although my impression is that that\’s just a formality).[/quote]
    [quote comment=\”340645\”][quote comment=\”340641\”]Paul,

    Maybe tell us *why* you can\’t tell us most things?

    Is it marketing (i.e. its something that will be unveiled later).

    Is it a trade secret (i.e. something they don\’t want other teams to hear about, ever).[/quote]

    Some of it is marketing/embargo/etc. — will be revealed later.

    In the case of the 2011 throwback, it hasn\’t been officially approved by the league yet (although my impression is that that\’s just a formality).[/quote]

    My Dad (81) is a retired journalist, and he always explained to me that if someone said, “off the record…” as a journalist you honored that no matter what, sort of like protecting our sources. One of the reasons I enjoy Paul’s blogs and other columns is that he displays a lot of the ideals of journalism that my Dad instilled upon us kids growing up. In today’s society with so called “TV New” and sensationalism, it is a real treat to read talented writer’s works! Okay, done kissing ass now.

  • TMD | July 17, 2009 at 8:03 pm |

    Thanks for the insight into those Vipers pants everyone. I probably went to 10 Vipers games a year growing up and it would have driven me nuts to miss a uni detail like numbers on the jersey. The CCM logo makes so much more sense.

  • Mike Engle | July 17, 2009 at 8:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”340803″]Strong-armed outfield prospect whose baseball career never amounted to much.
    http://farm3.static....

    —Ricko[/quote]
    The rare “good” BFBS.

  • Ricko | July 17, 2009 at 8:09 pm |

    Well, this has to be right up there with the “Most Generic Helmet Font of All Time” nominees…
    http://farm3.static....

    —Ricko

  • JimV19 | July 17, 2009 at 8:09 pm |

    Thanks for the tour of the Giants’ training site, Paul! I’m intrigued about the 2011 throwback – my vote is for the ’33 or ’34 unis. Those are as cool as the CFL ’60s retros we’re being treated to this week.

  • Ricko | July 17, 2009 at 8:17 pm |

    Some of the real-life people from WE ARE MARSHALL (didn’t Reggie Oliver play some QB for the Jacksonville Sharks in the WFL?).
    http://farm3.static....

    —Ricko

  • LI Phil | July 17, 2009 at 8:17 pm |

    [quote]It’s hard to tell how much time Brick might have had to listen to either Reds or Dodgers broadcasts growing up in central Illinois, it’s not outside the realm of possiblity. Improbable? Yes. Impossible? No.[/quote]

    in a year that has been so improbable, the impossible has happened

  • Hibbs | July 17, 2009 at 8:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”340806″]Thanks for the insight into those Vipers pants everyone. I probably went to 10 Vipers games a year growing up and it would have driven me nuts to miss a uni detail like numbers on the jersey. The CCM logo makes so much more sense.[/quote]

    Detroit Cobras

  • Johnny O | July 17, 2009 at 8:25 pm |

    Well, I finally got it. Phil, I think your gonna love this. This video is played on FS Wisconsin every once in a while showing the Batting Stance Guy. This particular version has the commentary in the background of Prince hitting a walk off home run from last year. It’s pretty awesome! A few notable things.. looks like BSG is wearing some sort of 1970 or ’71 Brewers throwback, and of course, he un-tucks his jersey like Prince, and it comes down to his feet. Pretty funny if you ask me.

    Enjoy:

    http://s147.photobuc...

  • SteveSmith | July 17, 2009 at 8:25 pm |

    No pic but Adam Everett still has the blue dot on the i on his road jersey missing.
    Does anybody know how long this has been going on for????

  • Ricko | July 17, 2009 at 8:27 pm |

    Craig Morton in a Bears-style helmet and Princeton stripes.
    http://farm3.static....

    —Ricko

  • Mike Engle | July 17, 2009 at 8:30 pm |

    Douche bag photo of the day
    (Ironically found on SI.com.)
    http://i.cdn.turner....

  • Scott Davis | July 17, 2009 at 8:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”340813″]Well, I finally got it. Phil, I think your gonna love this. This video is played on FS Wisconsin every once in a while showing the Batting Stance Guy. This particular version has the commentary in the background of Prince hitting a walk off home run from last year. It’s pretty awesome! A few notable things.. looks like BSG is wearing some sort of 1970 or ’71 Brewers throwback, and of course, he un-tucks his jersey like Prince, and it comes down to his feet. Pretty funny if you ask me.

    Enjoy:

    http://s147.photobuc...

    http://graphics.json...

    I just vomited.

  • Ricko | July 17, 2009 at 8:39 pm |

    Well, if the softcaps were more yellow than old gold, they sure picked the wrong color spray paint for the helmets. LOL
    http://farm3.static....

    —Ricko

  • JimV19 | July 17, 2009 at 8:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”340815″]Craig Morton in a Bears-style helmet and Princeton stripes.
    http://farm3.static....

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Veeeerrry nice! Both teams – so simple yet so veeerrry nice…

    What’s with the caption – “A nimrod quarterback, California’s Craig Morton…”

  • Ricko | July 17, 2009 at 8:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”340819″][quote comment=”340815″]Craig Morton in a Bears-style helmet and Princeton stripes.
    http://farm3.static....

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Veeeerrry nice! Both teams – so simple yet so veeerrry nice…

    What’s with the caption – “A nimrod quarterback, California’s Craig Morton…”[/quote]

    I wondered about that. Turns out first definition is “hunter”. Second is “fool”. Who knew.

    Does better explain existence of Nimrod, Minnesota, too.

    —Ricko

  • scott | July 17, 2009 at 8:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”340804″][quote comment=”340627″]Glavine’s #47, Smoltz’s #29, Bobby Cox’s #6, and Chipper Jones’ #10 will all be up there once they retire.[/quote]

    Smoltz probably. Chipper, probably. Never heard of a manager’s number being retired before. Glavine, definitely not. He was one of the most unpopular players on the team, left for a bucket of cash from the Mets, and has been a general jerk so far this season.[/quote]

    Glavine’s number will be retired in Atlanta. These hard feelings have a tendencey to disappear over time. His legendary performance in game 6 in 1995 all but assures it.

    You have never heard of a manager’s number being retired? Seriously? The Dodgers have 2 and 24 retired in honor of Lasorda and Alston.

  • JimV19 | July 17, 2009 at 8:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”340820″][quote comment=”340819″][quote comment=”340815″]Craig Morton in a Bears-style helmet and Princeton stripes.
    http://farm3.static....

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Veeeerrry nice! Both teams – so simple yet so veeerrry nice…

    What’s with the caption – “A nimrod quarterback, California’s Craig Morton…”[/quote]

    I wondered about that. Turns out first definition is “hunter”. Second is “fool”. Who knew.

    Does better explain existence of Nimrod, Minnesota, too.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    My sister always used the 2nd definition (sometimes at me). I thought another definition was a wanderer until I looked it up too. Hmmm.

  • Johnny O | July 17, 2009 at 9:04 pm |

    Just wanted to remind DirecTV subscribers that they are offering MLB Extra Innings for free from now until the 22nd. They do this once in a while, and it’s pretty sweet. You should check it out for sure.

  • Flip | July 17, 2009 at 9:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”340781″]oops, HERE’s Tarkenton…
    http://farm4.static....

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Sounding like a broken record here, but don’t the white shoelaces make a ton of difference?
    http://artfiles.art....

  • JimV19 | July 17, 2009 at 9:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”340823″]Just wanted to remind DirecTV subscribers that they are offering MLB Extra Innings for free from now until the 22nd. They do this once in a while, and it’s pretty sweet. You should check it out for sure.[/quote]

    Thanks! I assumed I wouldn’t get it because I only get local channels through DirecTV, but here it is on my screen…and of course as soon as I say that my Pirates blow another lead.

  • Dwayne | July 17, 2009 at 9:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”340792″][quote comment=”340784″]A lonnnnnnng time ago, the White Sox were pondering a move to St. Petersburg. So I designed some unis adding yellow for brightness, that could be used for White Sox, I pondered, if they changed their name to “Sun Sox”.

    Messed around with a logo, too. Turned out…interesting. Sometimes I think it’s a lefthanded hitter driving one toward the palm trees in the distance…or a righty pulling one toward the viewer.

    http://farm3.static....
    http://farm3.static....

    —Ricko[/quote]

    When was that? Late 80’s? Early 90’s?
    I believe I drew something as well. I think I changed their names to the Sun Rays.
    Come to think of it, did the Giants threaten to move to St. Pete in the late 80’s?[/quote]

    The White Sox were planning to move in 1988.

    The Giants were threatening to move in 1992. If it had not been for that weasel Bill White, they would have been the Tampa Bay Giants in 1993.

    Based on a uniform that I saw in a St. Petersburg sporting good store in 1988, this is what the Florida White Sox were going to look like. Very much like the Oakland A’s. Of course, it was just a proposed uniform.

    http://tinypic.com/r...

  • Dane | July 17, 2009 at 9:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”340718″]i quite liked the BC Lions retro look last night. Orange is a great accent colour.[/quote]

    And kudos for the Calgary Stampeders going NNOB with their ’60s throwbacks tonight.

  • LI Phil | July 17, 2009 at 9:53 pm |

    i don’t know whether to thank you or hate you johnny

    i get (with cable no less) the free MLB extra innings

    just turned on red sox vs. blue jays

    may possibly be the WORST uni matchup of the year

  • Scott Davis | July 17, 2009 at 10:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”340828″]i don’t know whether to thank you or hate you johnny

    i get (with cable no less) the free MLB extra innings

    just turned on red sox vs. blue jays

    may possibly be the WORST uni matchup of the year[/quote]

    Quite an eyesore.

  • aflfan | July 17, 2009 at 10:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”340802″]The indoor football leagues that aren’t part of the patented Arena League use suspended goal posts, just like the ones at the Giants’ facility. I went to a game outside of Akron OH a couple of years ago, and the walls were nothing more than plastic highway dividers covered with padding. If the players ran into them they would separate and they’d have to help fix them. Didn’t look too safe to me.

    I prefer outdoor football, but I do like those mini-domes like the Kibbie Dome. I think Northern Arizona and Northern Iowa have those, too.[/quote]

    When I was in college I work with the women’s softball team and we played a softball tournament in the Northern Iowa football stadium. It is and covered field.

  • =bg= | July 17, 2009 at 10:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”340826″][quote comment=”340792″][quote comment=”340784″]A lonnnnnnng time ago, the White Sox were pondering a move to St. Petersburg. So I designed some unis adding yellow for brightness, that could be used for White Sox, I pondered, if they changed their name to “Sun Sox”.

    Messed around with a logo, too. Turned out…interesting. Sometimes I think it’s a lefthanded hitter driving one toward the palm trees in the distance…or a righty pulling one toward the viewer.

    http://farm3.static....
    http://farm3.static....

    —Ricko[/quote]

    When was that? Late 80’s? Early 90’s?
    I believe I drew something as well. I think I changed their names to the Sun Rays.
    Come to think of it, did the Giants threaten to move to St. Pete in the late 80’s?[/quote]

    The White Sox were planning to move in 1988.

    The Giants were threatening to move in 1992. If it had not been for that weasel Bill White, they would have been the Tampa Bay Giants in 1993.

    Based on a uniform that I saw in a St. Petersburg sporting good store in 1988, this is what the Florida White Sox were going to look like. Very much like the Oakland A’s. Of course, it was just a proposed uniform.

    http://tinypic.com/r...

    I cannot even begin to tell you how horrible that is. The STATE OF FLA as the F. Just….bad, bad, bad.

    Meanwhile, watching the G-Men @ the Pirates, and I like those black Pirate alts. Why do teams make the logo up high, and then the number down low (on the jersey)- rather than symmetrical?

  • aflfan | July 17, 2009 at 10:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”340806″]Thanks for the insight into those Vipers pants everyone. I probably went to 10 Vipers games a year growing up and it would have driven me nuts to miss a uni detail like numbers on the jersey. The CCM logo makes so much more sense.[/quote]

    I went to about 30 a year. I miss them. Worst move ever was aligning with Tampa.

  • aflfan | July 17, 2009 at 10:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”340813″]Well, I finally got it. Phil, I think your gonna love this. This video is played on FS Wisconsin every once in a while showing the Batting Stance Guy. This particular version has the commentary in the background of Prince hitting a walk off home run from last year. It’s pretty awesome! A few notable things.. looks like BSG is wearing some sort of 1970 or ’71 Brewers throwback, and of course, he un-tucks his jersey like Prince, and it comes down to his feet. Pretty funny if you ask me.

    Enjoy:

    http://s147.photobuc...

    Fox Sport Detroit said tonight that he will be on everygame doing a difference stance.

  • aflfan | July 17, 2009 at 10:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”340814″]No pic but Adam Everett still has the blue dot on the i on his road jersey missing.
    Does anybody know how long this has been going on for????[/quote]

    Never noticed it before tonight and I have seen all but about 10 Tigers games this year

  • Dwayne | July 17, 2009 at 10:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”340799″]Good decision the White Sox made not moving to Tampa Bay. While they’ll always be the 2nd baseball team in the 2nd city, Tampa Bay has proven to be a horrible baseball market, with one asterix.

    The asterix being how much does what appear to be the most gloomy non-astmospheric stadium in baseball – come into their poor support. Atmosphere counts !! – as the restaurant industry knows – and such events as the Winter Classic prove out.

    I realize someone going to say, well their attendance has improved. I would argue, the fact that they made the World Series last year and truly have an exciting team, and yet still draw some very low crowds – must really be alarming to the owners – who appear to be some of the better owners a team can have[/quote]

    I must strongly disagree.

    While the Tampa Bay market was granted an expansion franchise to begin play as the Devil Rays in 1998, it would have been a totally different situation if the White Sox would have moved to St. Petersburg.

    While the Devil Rays were a franchise granted to Vince Namoli, the Florida White Sox were going to still be owned by Jerry Reinsdorf & Eddie Einhorn. And ther would not have made the same mistakes that have plagued the ownership of Namoli and hence passed along to the current owners.

    It would have been a different franchise with different owners and you can not equate the two. Because Jerry Reinsdorf & Eddie Einhorn would have taken a different approach to marketing a team with a history and proven players, not just castoffs and rejects.

    I can agree that if the S.F. Giants would have been sold to Namoli and moved to St. Petersburg, that would have turned out bad, but not even close to the White Sox if they would have moved.

    And, as far as The Trop, if you have not been there in the last three years, your opinion is out of date. Granted it is not The Jake, The Cell or even GABP, but it is not a dump that because it is old, it’s a classic like Wrigley, but it is not bad anymore.

    You really should read “Stadium For Rent” and it will tell you the whole story of how MLB has screwed the Tampa Bay market for years, and as a result, you have the plagued Tampa Bay (Devil) Rays.

    “Stadium For Rent” can be found and read online, as Google is your friend.

  • Kevin Z. | July 17, 2009 at 10:26 pm |

    Will the Giants wear blue socks with the blue jerseys on the road with road pants or red socks, as they usually do with the road-style pants?

  • Dwayne | July 17, 2009 at 10:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”340831″][quote comment=”340826″][quote comment=”340792″][quote comment=”340784″]A lonnnnnnng time ago, the White Sox were pondering a move to St. Petersburg. So I designed some unis adding yellow for brightness, that could be used for White Sox, I pondered, if they changed their name to “Sun Sox”.

    Messed around with a logo, too. Turned out…interesting. Sometimes I think it’s a lefthanded hitter driving one toward the palm trees in the distance…or a righty pulling one toward the viewer.

    http://farm3.static....
    http://farm3.static....

    —Ricko[/quote]

    When was that? Late 80’s? Early 90’s?
    I believe I drew something as well. I think I changed their names to the Sun Rays.
    Come to think of it, did the Giants threaten to move to St. Pete in the late 80’s?[/quote]

    The White Sox were planning to move in 1988.

    The Giants were threatening to move in 1992. If it had not been for that weasel Bill White, they would have been the Tampa Bay Giants in 1993.

    Based on a uniform that I saw in a St. Petersburg sporting good store in 1988, this is what the Florida White Sox were going to look like. Very much like the Oakland A’s. Of course, it was just a proposed uniform.

    http://tinypic.com/r...

    I cannot even begin to tell you how horrible that is. The STATE OF FLA as the F. Just….bad, bad, bad.
    [/quote]

    Check out this cartoon. It has the proposed Tampa Bay Mariners, Florida White Sox and the Tampa Bay Giants logos.

    http://tinypic.com/r...

  • Dwayne | July 17, 2009 at 10:36 pm |

    Sorry, just the White Sox logo.

  • Brian | July 17, 2009 at 10:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”340835″][quote comment=”340799″]Good decision the White Sox made not moving to Tampa Bay. While they’ll always be the 2nd baseball team in the 2nd city, Tampa Bay has proven to be a horrible baseball market, with one asterix.

    The asterix being how much does what appear to be the most gloomy non-astmospheric stadium in baseball – come into their poor support. Atmosphere counts !! – as the restaurant industry knows – and such events as the Winter Classic prove out.

    I realize someone going to say, well their attendance has improved. I would argue, the fact that they made the World Series last year and truly have an exciting team, and yet still draw some very low crowds – must really be alarming to the owners – who appear to be some of the better owners a team can have[/quote]

    I must strongly disagree.

    While the Tampa Bay market was granted an expansion franchise to begin play as the Devil Rays in 1998, it would have been a totally different situation if the White Sox would have moved to St. Petersburg.

    While the Devil Rays were a franchise granted to Vince Namoli, the Florida White Sox were going to still be owned by Jerry Reinsdorf & Eddie Einhorn. And ther would not have made the same mistakes that have plagued the ownership of Namoli and hence passed along to the current owners.

    It would have been a different franchise with different owners and you can not equate the two. Because Jerry Reinsdorf & Eddie Einhorn would have taken a different approach to marketing a team with a history and proven players, not just castoffs and rejects.

    I can agree that if the S.F. Giants would have been sold to Namoli and moved to St. Petersburg, that would have turned out bad, but not even close to the White Sox if they would have moved.

    And, as far as The Trop, if you have not been there in the last three years, your opinion is out of date. Granted it is not The Jake, The Cell or even GABP, but it is not a dump that because it is old, it’s a classic like Wrigley, but it is not bad anymore.

    You really should read “Stadium For Rent” and it will tell you the whole story of how MLB has screwed the Tampa Bay market for years, and as a result, you have the plagued Tampa Bay (Devil) Rays.

    “Stadium For Rent” can be found and read online, as Google is your friend.[/quote]
    Agreed. I found “Stadium For Rent” a few months ago while perusing Baseball Fever. Great read.

    And I also agree with your opinion about the Sox. You can’t really compare how the Rays have fared with what the plan would have been had the Sox moved here. Namoli is a dirty word around these parts for what he and his group did with the Devil Rays in their forming years. Since Stuart Sternberg took over, well, the results speak for themselves. It went from a perennial bottom feeder to a constant threat.

    I can’t help but think, even after last year, that it would be a completely different ballgame if we were placed in the National League instead of the American League and the Brewers stayed in the AL. Of course, that’s all because of selfishness on my part. Beating up on the Mets, Braves, Nationals and Marlins would be much easier than facing the Yankees and Red Sox.

  • Dwayne | July 18, 2009 at 12:23 am |

    [quote comment=”340821″]You have never heard of a manager’s number being retired? Seriously? The Dodgers have 2 and 24 retired in honor of Lasorda and Alston.[/quote]

    Managers with numbers retired:

    1 Fred Hutchinson Reds

    2 Tommy Lasorda Dodgers

    4 Earl Weaver Orioles

    10 Sparky Anderson Reds

    10 Dick Howser Royals

    14 Gil Hodges Mets

    24 Walter Alston Dodgers

    37 Casey Stengel Yankees & Mets

    40 Danny Murtaugh Pirates

    Looks like it is pretty common.

  • Dwayne | July 18, 2009 at 12:45 am |

    [quote comment=”340839″]I can’t help but think, even after last year, that it would be a completely different ballgame if we were placed in the National League instead of the American League and the Brewers stayed in the AL. Of course, that’s all because of selfishness on my part. Beating up on the Mets, Braves, Nationals and Marlins would be much easier than facing the Yankees and Red Sox.[/quote]

    Personally, I would have rather seem a National League Tampa Bay team also. It would have created a natural rivalry with the Marlins.

    But no way was the A.L. going to allow the whole south eastern part of the country be controlled by the N.L.

    A.L. teams closest to St. Petersburg:

    Texas – 953 miles
    Kansas City – 1,043 miles
    Chicago – 1,014 miles
    Detroit – 987 miles
    Cleveland – 942 miles
    Baltimore – 867 miles

    No way was the AL going to give up that much territory. Even if Bill White would have let them move.

  • Shane | July 18, 2009 at 1:52 am |

    [quote comment=”340716″][quote comment=”340689″][quote comment=”340659″]The 1975 look?
    http://www.onlinespo...
    Oooooh…I’d like that.[/quote]
    I know I’m in the minority, but I love that logo. Distant Replays once had a hat with the italicized NY logo on it, but it was one of their hideous New Era fitted thug jobs with piping on every panel. Yecch.[/quote]

    If you don’t like the “thug hats” then go on Ebay and buy one of those foam/mesh trucker hats all you hicks like so much.

  • fran fried | July 18, 2009 at 3:23 am |

    [quote comment=\”340822\”][quote comment=\”340820\”][quote comment=\”340819\”][quote comment=\”340815\”]Craig Morton in a Bears-style helmet and Princeton stripes.
    http://farm3.static....

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Veeeerrry nice! Both teams – so simple yet so veeerrry nice…

    What\’s with the caption – \”A nimrod quarterback, California\’s Craig Morton…\”[/quote]

    I wondered about that. Turns out first definition is \”hunter\”. Second is \”fool\”. Who knew.

    Does better explain existence of Nimrod, Minnesota, too.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    My sister always used the 2nd definition (sometimes at me). I thought another definition was a wanderer until I looked it up too. Hmmm.[/quote]

    Of course, the second definition was in effect by the time Morton got to the Giants :) … And speaking of …

    The ’75 jerseys/helmet would definitely be very cool as a throwback except for one small thing — they represent that one lousy season at Shea … well, it was a step up from the two miserable years of exile at the Yale Bowl (not to mention the first couple of seasons in the Meadowlands), but still, a loser team …

  • Hibbs | July 18, 2009 at 4:58 am |

    Lights out! Ugh huh! Flash flash flash!

  • Prentice | July 18, 2009 at 10:30 am |

    [quote comment=”340628″][quote comment=”340621″]I’m very disappointed in the Baylor uniform changes. They went from a classic, clean look to a Nike template, adding black trim, and switching to white shoes.[/quote]
    Could not agree more. I am not a fan of Baylor, but I REALLY liked their old uni’s much, MUCH more. They looked classy and “clean” as you stated…now? They are Boise State without the BCS appearances[/quote]

    Same here folks….here in Big 12 country outside of their QB the only other reason to watch Baylor was the classic uni. Loved the clean stripes, basic jersey, etc… Why the hell would you do this…..

  • ChillicotheCraig | July 18, 2009 at 5:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”340758″][quote comment=”340754″]If I’m not mistaken, shouldn’t all 24-hour restaurants be open at 3:00 in the morning?[/quote]Well sure, if you want to be technically accurate about the legal details…
    [/quote]

    Yeah, you can be open 24 hours, just not in a row.

    Credit Steven Wright for that one :)

  • Yeen | July 18, 2009 at 11:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”340625″][quote comment=”340614″]Those Mallards jerseys won’t be confused with anything else. That is for sure… except for maybe those new Seahawks jerseys that Yahoo was talking about. ;)

    http://bloximages.ch...

    “Quack To The Future”? Seriously? I guess with the Flames abandoning Moline, the IHL will fill the gap.

    I don’t mind the alternates, but that other logo is bound to give little kids nightmares.[/quote]

    As long as they don’t bring back the Sheriff jerseys …

  • Yeen | July 18, 2009 at 11:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”340659″][quote comment=”340656″][quote comment=”340645″][quote comment=”340641″]Paul,

    Maybe tell us *why* you can’t tell us most things?

    Is it marketing (i.e. its something that will be unveiled later).

    Is it a trade secret (i.e. something they don’t want other teams to hear about, ever).[/quote]

    Some of it is marketing/embargo/etc. — will be revealed later.

    In the case of the 2011 throwback, it hasn’t been officially approved by the league yet (although my impression is that that’s just a formality).[/quote]

    I know Paul can’t reveal the throwback, but who wants to venture some guesses as to what the throwback will look like?

    I think it’s gotta be a jersey celebrating the 25th anniversary of the 86 Super Bowl champs.

    Thoughts?[/quote]

    The 1975 look?

    http://www.onlinespo...

    He said “doozy.”

    Might it be something from The New York Football Yankees?

    Or 1925’s uniform?

  • Big Al | July 20, 2009 at 11:47 am |

    [quote comment=”340842″][quote comment=”340716″][quote comment=”340689″][quote comment=”340659″]The 1975 look?
    http://www.onlinespo...
    Oooooh…I’d like that.[/quote]
    I know I’m in the minority, but I love that logo. Distant Replays once had a hat with the italicized NY logo on it, but it was one of their hideous New Era fitted thug jobs with piping on every panel. Yecch.[/quote]

    If you don’t like the “thug hats” then go on Ebay and buy one of those foam/mesh trucker hats all you hicks like so much.[/quote]
    Wow — did I hit a sore spot, Shane?

    For the record, I don’t like those foam trucker hats either. And I’m the farthest thing from “hick” that you’ll find on this board.

  • chance michaels | July 20, 2009 at 2:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”340835″]You really should read “Stadium For Rent” and it will tell you the whole story of how MLB has screwed the Tampa Bay market for years, and as a result, you have the plagued Tampa Bay (Devil) Rays.[/quote]

    At some point, the people of the Tampa Bay area are just going to have to get over it.

    You have one of the best young ballclubs in the majors, and nobody cares. In first every single day last year, the AL pennant and the Rays end up 26th in attendance. And that’s WITH all those home games against the Yanks and Sox boosting the numbers.

    Ah, but the bump always happens in the following season, we are told. So how are the Rays drawing this year? Still a contending team, still chock-full of hot young players, and with that “next year” bump? Twenty-sixth.

    Time to leave the excuses behind. The area has to start supporting its team, even if they aren’t the Giants, Mariners or Sox.

  • Alex | July 20, 2009 at 2:39 pm |

    In early March, Football Fanatics pitched a St. Patrick’s special edition Giants cap, white with ‘ny’ in green, and I tried to buy four [4]. But Fanatics replied they were all out.

    I can’t believe every last one was sold before St. Pat’s Day; has to be some left-overs somewhere. Anybody know where I can find them? Thanks.