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The Larry Bodnovich Files, Vol. 3

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Here’s something I’ve been obsessed with for years: If you look at old photos, you’ll see that starting pitchers used to do their pregame warm-ups in front of their respective dugouts, not in the bullpens. Check out this old photo of Shea Stadium, for example — as you can see, there were three dirt circles on each side of the plate: an on-deck circle, a fungo-hitting circle, and a flat “mound” where the starting pitchers warmed up. If you look at this shot, also from Shea, you can see that this flat mound had its own pitching rubber. There was a home plate on each side too, right in front of the “No Pepper” sign near the backstop.

The color shots in that sequence are screen shots from When It Was a Game. Larry Bodnovich has compiled several hundred of them. Here are some highlights:

• Smokin’ in the boys’ room clubhouse.

• I can never get enough of those stripe-o-rama stirrups that the Reds wore in 1956 and ’57.

• What’s the deal with this cap? Almost looks like he’s wearing two caps, or like there’s a pocket or fold in the cap. Anyone..?

• Boy, those KC A’s uniforms were purty.

• Larry got lots of great shots of Cincinnati’s subscript NOBs. Additional views here, here, and here.

• Not sure what’s going on here, but it’s an interesting shot.

• Dig those Cubbies jackets!

• Rare color shot of the Yankees wearing the trylon and perisphere sleeve patch to promote the 1939 World’s Fair (which was also worn by the Dodgers and Giants). Additional view here.

• And here’s a good shot of the WWII-era “Health” patch that so many teams wore in the 1940s.

Oh. My. God. SO much to like in that shot! And if that doesn’t melt you into a bag of sentimental mush, this one and this one probably will. Oh, and then there’s this one.

• Judging by past discussions, I’m the only one who likes this design. But c’mon, those sleeve stripes! And here’s a rare view of how this uni looked from behind.

• Man, that’s a thick armband that the 1940 Reds wore for teammate Willard Hershberger. Love those two-tone stirrups, too.

• The Reds had great usher’s attire, too.

And so on. Want to see more? Check out Larry’s three albums of When It Was a Game grabs here, here, and here, plus he’s also done an album of shots from FSN’s Golden Age of Baseball series, here.

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Uni Watch Calendar: Remember, I’ll be conducting a Mets uniform quiz contest next Tuesday, July 21st, 7pm, at Two Boots on Grand Street (plus there will also be readings by Mets by the Numbers webmaster Jon Springer, Faith and Fear in Flushing webmaster Greg Prince, and Mets historian/author Matt Silverman). The quiz will be a ball-buster, so start studying sending bribes to the teacher now. There will be a free prize for the winner, plenty of not-free pizza and beer for everyone else, and you’ll get to see Phil looking all frustrated during the quiz because he’ll know most of the answers but won’t be allowed to enter (sorry, buddy, but there’d be a riot if my right-hand man ended up winning). Oh, and Springer, Prince, and Silverman won’t be able to enter either, just to keep things fair. Looking forward to seeing lots of you there.

Meanwhile, the Cleveland Uni Watch party is now confirmed for July 30th, 7pm, at the Prosperity Social Club. Vince has promised to do his show-stopping improv routine about CC Sabathia’s man-tits, so you won’t wanna miss that.

Uni Watch News Ticker: Remember that little buggy they used to bring Stan Musial out onto the field on Tuesday night? Turns out the Ford logo on the front was taped over (great catch by Brendon Yarian). … The Colts are the latest NFL teams to sell ad space on their practice jerseys (with thanks to Rob Quigg). … Very good memorabilia/collectibles site here — lots of good stuff if you click around (with thanks to HHH). … Here’s the logo for next January’s Winter Classic, which will be played at Fenway Park (with thanks to John Muir). … Andrew Borders, who works I the sports communications dept. at Princeton, writes: “While cleaning out a closet, we found this old jacket here in the office. The only tag says, ‘Hodgman, Framingham, Mass.,’ which refers to a company that has since been bought by the Coleman outdoor company.” Anyone have any insights on this jacket’s origins, history, etc.? … The Indianapolis Newspaper Guild is urging its members to wear red for a meeting today. … Still more city flag jerseys from HHH. … Interesting note about Under Armour basketball sneakers here (good find by Cedric Padilla). … Some very nice vintage equipment catalogs from Rawlings, Spalding, Rawlings again, Wilson, Rawlings yet again, and some little brand I’ve never heard of. … Here’s something I’m almost positive you haven’t seen before: Oil Can Boyd in catcher’s gear. Roberto Santiago took that shot while working at Red Sox fantasy camp last year. … Alan Borock reports that these shoes “are becoming popular in the running world” (and look, there’s Matt Powers ordering seven pairs right now). … If a dimpled surface makes a golf ball go farther, why not apply the same principle to a car? (Thanks, Kirsten.) … Lots of intriguing info from Matt Ryburn, who writes: “Here is a photo of my great-great-great uncle Jim Son, standing at far left, with his baseball team from Clarkdale, Arizona. Uncle Jim as he is known in my family is standing on the far left. My grandfather gave me this photo last weekend and told me he had fond memories of running up and down the wooden grandstands at the stadium. I am curious about the man in the back row, whose jersey says ‘WOW’ [and note the gorgeous vertical arching on the underside of the Ws — PL]. I thought maybe Uni Watch readers might have some insight. The only thing my grandfather knew about him is that he was Native American and was sent up to try out for the Cleveland Indians in the ’30s but was sent back because his skin color was too dark.” … “Some athletes in Iraq are trying to start an Iraqi national baseball team for international competition,” writes Ryan Matthews. “But no one in Iraq sells baseball equipment and they currently have one jersey, from a Japanese team, nine gloves that they share, three balls, and an old softball bat. After hearing this, Rachel Maddow decided to organize a way to get them some gear. According to her show on Wednesday, Ebbets Field Flannels is making the uniforms and folks are working on getting them equipment.” I’ll check with Ebbets to learn more. … Coney Island babies, pre-Wilco on Monday evening. I had just gotten that shirt in the mail about three hours earlier (photo by the incomparable Liz Clayton).

 

371 comments to The Larry Bodnovich Files, Vol. 3

  • MPowers1634 | July 16, 2009 at 7:52 am |

    1. Ernie Banks looks as if he’s wearing an early prototype of the Elmer Fudd caps from last years’ series.

    2. The Cubs jerseys that only Paul likes seem as if they would have been precursors to today’s extremely busy, unnecessarily piped unis.

    3. The Reds Usher uniforms are the best example of cleaner and more crisp fashion…they are BEAUTIFUL.

    4. I have a pair of Crocs that I wear in the yard, to take the garbage out and to walk the dogs.
    My wife has threatened that if I wear them off of my street and out into the public she will confiscate those and one pair of my favorite sneaks fro one week.

    So to say that I will NOT be wearing those toesy-toes kicks is an understatement…maybe.

    Nice work, Larry!

  • scott | July 16, 2009 at 7:57 am |

    Isn’t that just a cap with a protective liner being worn by Ernie Banks? Even if he weren’t wearing a helmet at the plate in those days, he needed to have some protection for his head.

  • Peter Wunsch | July 16, 2009 at 8:26 am |

    I am not sure that the dimples on a golf ball make the ball farther; they make the ball more aero-dynamic and stay in the air longer. Not necessarily a trait I want in my car.

    I do believe that a pretty woman with dimples make me smile longer.

  • Chris O | July 16, 2009 at 8:34 am |

    Should be interesting to see what the Bruins and Flyers cook up for the Winter Classic Uni’s. Although the Flyers don’t have much to go with. Probably a white version of the Throwback they have. The Bruins on the other hand have plenty to draw from.

  • Steve | July 16, 2009 at 8:35 am |

    Does “improv routine” strike anyone else as an oxymoron? If it’s a routine, I don’t think it can be considered improv…which is generally made up on the spot. I dunno…

  • Scott Davis | July 16, 2009 at 8:38 am |

    [quote comment=”340232″]Should be interesting to see what the Bruins and Flyers cook up for the Winter Classic Uni’s. Although the Flyers don’t have much to go with. Probably a white version of the Throwback they have. The Bruins on the other hand have plenty to draw from.[/quote]

    Maybe Reebok will hire Dallas Hicks to make up some of his awesome throwbacks to wear on the ice.

  • TMD | July 16, 2009 at 8:40 am |

    There is so much to like in this photo. The two-toned hats, those wonderful Browns jerseys and of course, the stadium I grew up in.

    http://picasaweb.goo...

  • JTH | July 16, 2009 at 8:43 am |

    [quote comment=”340234″][quote comment=”340232″]Should be interesting to see what the Bruins and Flyers cook up for the Winter Classic Uni’s. Although the Flyers don’t have much to go with. Probably a white version of the Throwback they have. The Bruins on the other hand have plenty to draw from.[/quote]

    Maybe Reebok will hire Dallas Hicks to make up some of his awesome throwbacks to wear on the ice.[/quote]
    One word: Cooperalls!

  • LI Phil | July 16, 2009 at 8:45 am |

    when irony is not so delicious:

    [quote]The only thing my grandfather knew about him is that he was Native American and was sent up to try out for the Cleveland Indians in the ’30s but was sent back because his skin color was too dark.”[/quote]

    been said already, but mr. cub’s got a plastic (or whatever it was made from) cap liner in that shot (obviously this is a modern version, but something like this)

    great work larry! (even though i’d been privy to these shots for a while)

  • HungryHungryHipster | July 16, 2009 at 8:49 am |

    Hey guys, HHH here…

    Paul added the final batch of city flag jerseys to the Flickr set today. (Brace yourselves for teal and neon green Seahawks jerseys!) Just out of curiosity, I’d love to hear what your favorites are, and why. Thanx!

  • Scott Davis | July 16, 2009 at 8:53 am |

    [quote comment=”340238″]Hey guys, HHH here…

    Paul added the final batch of city flag jerseys to the Flickr set today. (Brace yourselves for teal and neon green Seahawks jerseys!) Just out of curiosity, I’d love to hear what your favorites are, and why. Thanx![/quote]

    Can’t explain. Guilty pleasure I suppose…

    http://farm4.static....

  • Chris O | July 16, 2009 at 8:54 am |

    [quote comment=”340236″][quote comment=”340234″][quote comment=”340232″]Should be interesting to see what the Bruins and Flyers cook up for the Winter Classic Uni’s. Although the Flyers don’t have much to go with. Probably a white version of the Throwback they have. The Bruins on the other hand have plenty to draw from.[/quote]

    Maybe Reebok will hire Dallas Hicks to make up some of his awesome throwbacks to wear on the ice.[/quote]
    One word: Cooperalls![/quote]

    Hahahahaha! Cooperalls would be great. But they could also go with a real retro Philly Quakers Uni set. That has plenty of potential.

  • Michael Churchill | July 16, 2009 at 8:57 am |

    If a dimpled surface makes a golf ball go father, why not apply the same principle to a car? (Thanks, Kirsten.)

    Golf balls for dad? I know that a spell-checker wouldn’t have caught that but still!

  • aflfan | July 16, 2009 at 9:04 am |

    Not sure what’s going on here, but it’s an interesting shot.

    My guess is it a tryout of some sort.

    I watched part of the Cal Ripkin Sr. League All-Star game on one of the sports channels. Almost everyone was in a colored jersey (on both sides). It is one of those collegiate summer leagues. Good news for the future, more than half the players were wearing their pants up around their knees. I will try to find pictures. It was on MASN (I think).

  • Beardface | July 16, 2009 at 9:07 am |

    [quote comment=”340232″]Should be interesting to see what the Bruins and Flyers cook up for the Winter Classic Uni’s. Although the Flyers don’t have much to go with. Probably a white version of the Throwback they have. The Bruins on the other hand have plenty to draw from.[/quote]
    Thats what I’m guessing, and I bet it’ll be the perfect lead-in to them using those as the full time aways in the 2010-2011 season like they’re planning to do with the orange jerseys this year at home.

  • War Damn Eagle | July 16, 2009 at 9:09 am |

    The writer is wrong about USF being a pioneer by wearing Under Armour basketball gear. Auburn has been wearing Under Armour hoops unis for 2 seasons now. They will also switch from Nike shoes to the new Under Armour shoes for the upcoming hoops season.

  • aflfan | July 16, 2009 at 9:10 am |

    Here is a shot of the Valley League’s bench

    http://www.valleylea...

  • Scott Davis | July 16, 2009 at 9:12 am |

    [quote comment=”340242″](I forgot to post the link to the city flag jersey Flickr set, so I am reposting this…)

    Hey guys, HHH here…

    Paul added the final batch of city flag jerseys to the Flickr set today. (Now included are the Cardinals, 49ers, Rams, L.A. Rams, L.A. Raiders, and I recommend bracing yourselves for teal and neon green Seahawks jerseys!)

    Just out of curiosity, I’d love to hear what your favorites are out of all of them, and why. Go to this link to see them:
    http://www.flickr.co...

    Those Phoenix ones are great. They should change the team name to the Phoenix Phoenixes.

  • TMD | July 16, 2009 at 9:13 am |

    I’m throwing down the gauntlet to Nike and Oregon to top this.

    http://www.cmuchippe...

    Wow!

  • Chris O | July 16, 2009 at 9:14 am |

    [quote comment=”340244″][quote comment=”340232″]Should be interesting to see what the Bruins and Flyers cook up for the Winter Classic Uni’s. Although the Flyers don’t have much to go with. Probably a white version of the Throwback they have. The Bruins on the other hand have plenty to draw from.[/quote]
    Thats what I’m guessing, and I bet it’ll be the perfect lead-in to them using those as the full time aways in the 2010-2011 season like they’re planning to do with the orange jerseys this year at home.[/quote]

    http://i250.photobuc...
    Or
    http://i250.photobuc...

  • aflfan | July 16, 2009 at 9:14 am |

    Here is a gallery of shots from the valley league website

    http://www.valleylea...

  • Beardface | July 16, 2009 at 9:15 am |

    [quote comment=”340245″]The writer is wrong about USF being a pioneer by wearing Under Armour basketball gear. Auburn has been wearing Under Armour hoops unis for 2 seasons now. They will also switch from Nike shoes to the new Under Armour shoes for the upcoming hoops season.[/quote]
    Well… to the writers credit, how was he supposed to know? Auburn is a rarely televised bottomfeeder in a pretty miserable basketball conference. As good as SEC football is, SEC basketball is bad. I would have only known about Auburn’s basketball team wearing UA if I assumed the UA contract was for all of Auburn and not just their football team.

  • Beardface | July 16, 2009 at 9:17 am |

    [quote comment=”340249″][quote comment=”340244″][quote comment=”340232″]Should be interesting to see what the Bruins and Flyers cook up for the Winter Classic Uni’s. Although the Flyers don’t have much to go with. Probably a white version of the Throwback they have. The Bruins on the other hand have plenty to draw from.[/quote]
    Thats what I’m guessing, and I bet it’ll be the perfect lead-in to them using those as the full time aways in the 2010-2011 season like they’re planning to do with the orange jerseys this year at home.[/quote]

    http://i250.photobuc...
    Or
    http://i250.photobuc...
    I highly, HIGHLY doubt they’ll go with Quakers unis. Not for the fact that the team was sooo bad that the city would like to forget they even existed, but for the fact that it wasn’t even the same franchise, and I don’t think the Flyers would own the rights to even be able to wear them. They’d have to ask for permission from whoever owns the rights and then probably split the proceeds of any sales, and you know that’ll never happen.

    They’re most likely going to go with their look from the 70s to match their current home orange jerseys.

  • War Damn Eagle | July 16, 2009 at 9:20 am |

    [quote comment=”340239″][quote comment=”340238″]Hey guys, HHH here…

    Paul added the final batch of city flag jerseys to the Flickr set today. (Brace yourselves for teal and neon green Seahawks jerseys!) Just out of curiosity, I’d love to hear what your favorites are, and why. Thanx![/quote]

    Can’t explain. Guilty pleasure I suppose…

    http://farm4.static....

    I think the horseman is supposed to represent Andrew Jackson, for whom the city is named.

  • Chris O | July 16, 2009 at 9:23 am |

    [quote comment=”340253″][quote comment=”340249″][quote comment=”340244″][quote comment=”340232″]Should be interesting to see what the Bruins and Flyers cook up for the Winter Classic Uni’s. Although the Flyers don’t have much to go with. Probably a white version of the Throwback they have. The Bruins on the other hand have plenty to draw from.[/quote]
    Thats what I’m guessing, and I bet it’ll be the perfect lead-in to them using those as the full time aways in the 2010-2011 season like they’re planning to do with the orange jerseys this year at home.[/quote]

    http://i250.photobuc...
    Or
    http://i250.photobuc...
    I highly, HIGHLY doubt they’ll go with Quakers unis. Not for the fact that the team was sooo bad that the city would like to forget they even existed, but for the fact that it wasn’t even the same franchise, and I don’t think the Flyers would own the rights to even be able to wear them. They’d have to ask for permission from whoever owns the rights and then probably split the proceeds of any sales, and you know that’ll never happen.

    They’re most likely going to go with their look from the 70s to match their current home orange jerseys.[/quote]

    True, but remember the Uni’s that Detriot wore this past WC were based on the Old Detriot Cougars.

  • aflfan | July 16, 2009 at 9:26 am |

    [quote comment=”340255″][quote comment=”340253″][quote comment=”340249″][quote comment=”340244″][quote comment=”340232″]Should be interesting to see what the Bruins and Flyers cook up for the Winter Classic Uni’s. Although the Flyers don’t have much to go with. Probably a white version of the Throwback they have. The Bruins on the other hand have plenty to draw from.[/quote]
    Thats what I’m guessing, and I bet it’ll be the perfect lead-in to them using those as the full time aways in the 2010-2011 season like they’re planning to do with the orange jerseys this year at home.[/quote]

    http://i250.photobuc...
    Or
    http://i250.photobuc...
    I highly, HIGHLY doubt they’ll go with Quakers unis. Not for the fact that the team was sooo bad that the city would like to forget they even existed, but for the fact that it wasn’t even the same franchise, and I don’t think the Flyers would own the rights to even be able to wear them. They’d have to ask for permission from whoever owns the rights and then probably split the proceeds of any sales, and you know that’ll never happen.

    They’re most likely going to go with their look from the 70s to match their current home orange jerseys.[/quote]

    True, but remember the Uni’s that Detriot wore this past WC were based on the Old Detriot Cougars.[/quote]

    Yes but the Cougars became the Falcons and the Falcons became the Wings. All one franchise. The Quakers did not become the Flyers. I would think the NHL would still have the rights to teams which have done out of business. I could be wrong but that would seem to be part of the deal of being a member.

  • War Damn Eagle | July 16, 2009 at 9:28 am |

    [quote comment=”340251″][quote comment=”340245″]The writer is wrong about USF being a pioneer by wearing Under Armour basketball gear. Auburn has been wearing Under Armour hoops unis for 2 seasons now. They will also switch from Nike shoes to the new Under Armour shoes for the upcoming hoops season.[/quote]
    Well… to the writers credit, how was he supposed to know? Auburn is a rarely televised bottomfeeder in a pretty miserable basketball conference. As good as SEC football is, SEC basketball is bad. I would have only known about Auburn’s basketball team wearing UA if I assumed the UA contract was for all of Auburn and not just their football team.[/quote]

    Yes, obviously, the SEC has no basketball tradition:

    http://ecx.images-am...

    http://www.lindysspo...

    http://images.footba...

    And Auburn has NEVER been any good in basketball.

    http://i.cdn.turner....

    And you know, Auburn even played a game in Tampa not too long ago. I guess that writer missed this story, because I know Wake Forest fans remember:

    http://www.cbssports...

  • Beardface | July 16, 2009 at 9:29 am |

    [quote comment=”340255″][quote comment=”340253″][quote comment=”340249″][quote comment=”340244″][quote comment=”340232″]Should be interesting to see what the Bruins and Flyers cook up for the Winter Classic Uni’s. Although the Flyers don’t have much to go with. Probably a white version of the Throwback they have. The Bruins on the other hand have plenty to draw from.[/quote]
    Thats what I’m guessing, and I bet it’ll be the perfect lead-in to them using those as the full time aways in the 2010-2011 season like they’re planning to do with the orange jerseys this year at home.[/quote]

    http://i250.photobuc...
    Or
    http://i250.photobuc...
    I highly, HIGHLY doubt they’ll go with Quakers unis. Not for the fact that the team was sooo bad that the city would like to forget they even existed, but for the fact that it wasn’t even the same franchise, and I don’t think the Flyers would own the rights to even be able to wear them. They’d have to ask for permission from whoever owns the rights and then probably split the proceeds of any sales, and you know that’ll never happen.

    They’re most likely going to go with their look from the 70s to match their current home orange jerseys.[/quote]

    True, but remember the Uni’s that Detriot wore this past WC were based on the Old Detriot Cougars.[/quote]
    The Red Wings used to be the Detroit Cougars. That was their original name. They were the Cougars from 1926-1930, the Falcons from 1930-1932, and the Red Wings from 1932-present.

    They still have the rights to any Cougars or Falcons merchandise because those were just previous names of the franchise.

  • Chris O | July 16, 2009 at 9:33 am |

    All true points on the Detriot Cougars, but still those Quakers Uni’s are sweet!

  • Beardface | July 16, 2009 at 9:34 am |

    [quote comment=”340257″][quote comment=”340251″][quote comment=”340245″]The writer is wrong about USF being a pioneer by wearing Under Armour basketball gear. Auburn has been wearing Under Armour hoops unis for 2 seasons now. They will also switch from Nike shoes to the new Under Armour shoes for the upcoming hoops season.[/quote]
    Well… to the writers credit, how was he supposed to know? Auburn is a rarely televised bottomfeeder in a pretty miserable basketball conference. As good as SEC football is, SEC basketball is bad. I would have only known about Auburn’s basketball team wearing UA if I assumed the UA contract was for all of Auburn and not just their football team.[/quote]

    Yes, obviously, the SEC has no basketball tradition:

    http://ecx.images-am...

    http://www.lindysspo...

    http://images.footba...

    And Auburn has NEVER been any good in basketball.

    http://i.cdn.turner....

    And you know, Auburn even played a game in Tampa not too long ago. I guess that writer missed this story, because I know Wake Forest fans remember:

    http://www.cbssports...
    So how does this mean that the SEC isn’t a bad basketball conference? Florida has been the only SEC program that has been consistently good over the last 5 years. Its been a 1 team show. Vandy, Kentucky, and Tennessee have all had their moments in recent years, but they haven’t been able to sustain it. Its a bad conference that, if not for 2 years of Florida basketball, would be considered by far the weakest of the BCS confereces in basketball. Even with Florida’s success, they’re still only slightly above average.

    Utah beat Alabama last year in the Sugar Bowl. Doesn’t mean the MWC is all that and a bag of chips.

  • Chris | July 16, 2009 at 9:38 am |

    The Winter Classic seems like the perfect opportunity for the B’s to break out the 1926-31 style, but they will probably end up going with 1969-74 style whilst the Flyers wear their current thirds. On another note, baseball stadia are terrible venues for hockey, the NHL would have done the fans attending a service if they held the game at Harvard Stadium instead of Fenway, because it would not only provide decent viewpoints because of its design, but also because were they needed, temporary bleachers could be erected in the open end of the bowl.

  • Ricko | July 16, 2009 at 9:53 am |

    [quote comment=”340261″]The Winter Classic seems like the perfect opportunity for the B’s to break out the 1926-31 style, but they will probably end up going with 1969-74 style whilst the Flyers wear their current thirds. On another note, baseball stadia are terrible venues for hockey, the NHL would have done the fans attending a service if they held the game at Harvard Stadium instead of Fenway, because it would not only provide decent viewpoints because of its design, but also because were they needed, temporary bleachers could be erected in the open end of the bowl.[/quote]

    I think Teebz explained that because football fields are crowned there’s a major engineering issue with leveling the area where the ice will be to get a flat sheet. I believe it was after the Penguins-Sabres game in Buffalo that the NHL realized football stadia were virtually untenable. Time is money, and the record is showing that playing in ballparks doesn’t hurt ticket sales or TV revenue, so the whole “fill to get level” effort likely is seen as an unwarranted expense.

    Doesn’t make it right from a fans’ point of view, I know. But it sure makes sense from a business/promoter’s standpoint. Why spend (probably) six figures for something that is proving to be, in actuality, unnecessary.

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | July 16, 2009 at 9:55 am |

    Banks wore one of those internal liners for a long, long while.

    I believe Ted Williams did, too.

    Banks, however, did eventually switch to typical helmet. Williams did not.

    —Ricko

  • Teebz | July 16, 2009 at 9:57 am |

    [quote comment=”340261″]On another note, baseball stadia are terrible venues for hockey, the NHL would have done the fans attending a service if they held the game at Harvard Stadium instead of Fenway, because it would not only provide decent viewpoints because of its design, but also because were they needed, temporary bleachers could be erected in the open end of the bowl.[/quote]

    Tell that to the people of Chicago. They filled Wrigley pretty well last season, and appeared to have a phenomenal time.

    Limiting the tickets in a baseball stadium will allow them to charge more for these tickets. It’s always about supply and demand with the NHL because they are the one sport that relies heavily on walk-up ticket sales.

  • Ricko | July 16, 2009 at 9:58 am |

    Hey, Larry B, let us know when you post screengrabs of the PCL from either “When It Was A Game” or “Baseball’s Golden Age”, okay?

    Also, anyone know where to find photos of 1946 and/or ’47 Toledo MudHens unis, home and road?

    —Ricko

  • aflfan | July 16, 2009 at 9:58 am |

    [quote comment=”340261″]The Winter Classic seems like the perfect opportunity for the B’s to break out the 1926-31 style, but they will probably end up going with 1969-74 style whilst the Flyers wear their current thirds. On another note, baseball stadia are terrible venues for hockey, the NHL would have done the fans attending a service if they held the game at Harvard Stadium instead of Fenway, because it would not only provide decent viewpoints because of its design, but also because were they needed, temporary bleachers could be erected in the open end of the bowl.[/quote]

    I think that in every winter classic they have used the first jersey of the team or very close to the first jersey the team wore. I don’t see why they would not do that with the Bruins.

  • War Damn Eagle | July 16, 2009 at 9:59 am |

    [quote comment=”340260″][quote comment=”340257″][quote comment=”340251″][quote comment=”340245″]The writer is wrong about USF being a pioneer by wearing Under Armour basketball gear. Auburn has been wearing Under Armour hoops unis for 2 seasons now. They will also switch from Nike shoes to the new Under Armour shoes for the upcoming hoops season.[/quote]
    Well… to the writers credit, how was he supposed to know? Auburn is a rarely televised bottomfeeder in a pretty miserable basketball conference. As good as SEC football is, SEC basketball is bad. I would have only known about Auburn’s basketball team wearing UA if I assumed the UA contract was for all of Auburn and not just their football team.[/quote]

    Yes, obviously, the SEC has no basketball tradition:

    http://ecx.images-am...

    http://www.lindysspo...

    http://images.footba...

    And Auburn has NEVER been any good in basketball.

    http://i.cdn.turner....

    And you know, Auburn even played a game in Tampa not too long ago. I guess that writer missed this story, because I know Wake Forest fans remember:

    http://www.cbssports...
    So how does this mean that the SEC isn’t a bad basketball conference? Florida has been the only SEC program that has been consistently good over the last 5 years. Its been a 1 team show. Vandy, Kentucky, and Tennessee have all had their moments in recent years, but they haven’t been able to sustain it. Its a bad conference that, if not for 2 years of Florida basketball, would be considered by far the weakest of the BCS confereces in basketball. Even with Florida’s success, they’re still only slightly above average.

    Utah beat Alabama last year in the Sugar Bowl. Doesn’t mean the MWC is all that and a bag of chips.[/quote]

    When it comes to college football, I’m a playoff guy. I think more teams should have a shot to win the national title. Utah and Auburn were both screwed in 2004, and I think the Utes were somewhat screwed in 2008.

  • adam | July 16, 2009 at 10:00 am |

    “I’m calling it The Sears Tower”

    http://www.cnn.com/2...

  • chance michaels | July 16, 2009 at 10:01 am |

    [quote]Judging by past discussions, I’m the only one who likes this design. But c’mon, those sleeve stripes![/quote]

    I’m not a huge fan of the Starfleet shoulders on those vests, I freakin’ love the undersleeve stripes.

    The Milwaukee Brewers, who were loosely affiliated with the Cubs in the 1940s, wore something similar.

    Beautiful.

  • anthony | July 16, 2009 at 10:02 am |

    What’s the deal with this cap? Almost looks like he’s wearing two caps, or like there’s a pocket or fold in the cap. Anyone..?

    I think it’s simply just the leather band on the inside of the hat. Looks like he pulled it down and it got caught inside the band…

  • Ricko | July 16, 2009 at 10:03 am |

    re: Ted Williams internal helmet.
    There are photos that show it better, but knew I could find this quickly. The shape of the hat’s crown kinda indicates a hard shell liner under it.
    http://vault.sportsi...

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | July 16, 2009 at 10:04 am |

    [quote comment=”340270″]What’s the deal with this cap? Almost looks like he’s wearing two caps, or like there’s a pocket or fold in the cap. Anyone..?

    I think it’s simply just the leather band on the inside of the hat. Looks like he pulled it down and it got caught inside the band…[/quote]

    See post #33. :)

  • War Damn Eagle | July 16, 2009 at 10:04 am |

    [quote comment=”340262″][quote comment=”340261″]The Winter Classic seems like the perfect opportunity for the B’s to break out the 1926-31 style, but they will probably end up going with 1969-74 style whilst the Flyers wear their current thirds. On another note, baseball stadia are terrible venues for hockey, the NHL would have done the fans attending a service if they held the game at Harvard Stadium instead of Fenway, because it would not only provide decent viewpoints because of its design, but also because were they needed, temporary bleachers could be erected in the open end of the bowl.[/quote]

    I think Teebz explained that because football fields are crowned there’s a major engineering issue with leveling the area where the ice will be to get a flat sheet. I believe it was after the Penguins-Sabres game in Buffalo that the NHL realized football stadia were virtually untenable. Time is money, and the record is showing that playing in ballparks doesn’t hurt ticket sales or TV revenue, so the whole “fill to get level” effort likely is seen as an unwarranted expense.

    Doesn’t make it right from a fans’ point of view, I know. But it sure makes sense from a business/promoter’s standpoint. Why spend (probably) six figures for something that is proving to be, in actuality, unnecessary.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Aren’t a lot of the older baseball field sloped in the outfield to allow for better drainage. I thought Wrigley sloped downhill from the infield to the outfield wall. Am I wrong about that? Wouldn’t that be a problem for a flat ice surface, too?

  • leon | July 16, 2009 at 10:05 am |

    [quote comment=”340263″]Banks wore one of those internal liners for a long, long while.

    I believe Ted Williams did, too.

    Banks, however, did eventually switch to typical helmet. Williams did not.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Wonder if he will in the future?
    :)

  • leon | July 16, 2009 at 10:08 am |

    Re:Uniform with WOW on the front.
    All I could think is that I hope it doesn’t read “POW” on the back.

  • Teebz | July 16, 2009 at 10:08 am |

    [quote comment=”340273″]
    Aren’t a lot of the older baseball field sloped in the outfield to allow for better drainage. I thought Wrigley sloped downhill from the infield to the outfield wall. Am I wrong about that? Wouldn’t that be a problem for a flat ice surface, too?[/quote]

    That’s why the ice surface was built on the infield at Wrigley. Most MLB infields are built flat for truer bounces. I would expect that the ice at Fenway would be similar.

  • Chris | July 16, 2009 at 10:09 am |

    [quote comment=\”340266\”][quote comment=\”340261\”]The Winter Classic seems like the perfect opportunity for the B\’s to break out the 1926-31 style, but they will probably end up going with 1969-74 style whilst the Flyers wear their current thirds. On another note, baseball stadia are terrible venues for hockey, the NHL would have done the fans attending a service if they held the game at Harvard Stadium instead of Fenway, because it would not only provide decent viewpoints because of its design, but also because were they needed, temporary bleachers could be erected in the open end of the bowl.[/quote]

    I think that in every winter classic they have used the first jersey of the team or very close to the first jersey the team wore. I don\’t see why they would not do that with the Bruins.[/quote]
    One reason they may not, is the different eras of the teams. With the other classics, the sweaters were fairly close in years worn, but were both to wear the \’70s era sweaters, it would hearken back to the days of the Big Bad Bruins and the Broad Street Bullies.

  • Ricko | July 16, 2009 at 10:10 am |

    [quote comment=”340273″][quote comment=”340262″][quote comment=”340261″]The Winter Classic seems like the perfect opportunity for the B’s to break out the 1926-31 style, but they will probably end up going with 1969-74 style whilst the Flyers wear their current thirds. On another note, baseball stadia are terrible venues for hockey, the NHL would have done the fans attending a service if they held the game at Harvard Stadium instead of Fenway, because it would not only provide decent viewpoints because of its design, but also because were they needed, temporary bleachers could be erected in the open end of the bowl.[/quote]

    I think Teebz explained that because football fields are crowned there’s a major engineering issue with leveling the area where the ice will be to get a flat sheet. I believe it was after the Penguins-Sabres game in Buffalo that the NHL realized football stadia were virtually untenable. Time is money, and the record is showing that playing in ballparks doesn’t hurt ticket sales or TV revenue, so the whole “fill to get level” effort likely is seen as an unwarranted expense.

    Doesn’t make it right from a fans’ point of view, I know. But it sure makes sense from a business/promoter’s standpoint. Why spend (probably) six figures for something that is proving to be, in actuality, unnecessary.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Aren’t a lot of the older baseball field sloped in the outfield to allow for better drainage. I thought Wrigley sloped downhill from the infield to the outfield wall. Am I wrong about that? Wouldn’t that be a problem for a flat ice surface, too?[/quote]

    Have to ask Teebz, but I’m certain the angle isn’t as pronounced as a football field. I recall standing on the sidelines at one Big Ten stadium and you could see the team on the other sideline only from the waist up. There was a friggin’ HILL running from goal post to goal post. I asked one of the QB’s about it, and he said he had to adjust his throws on squareouts, etc., or the ball would sail over the receiver’s head, because the guy got so much lower as he ran the route.

    —Ricko

  • leon | July 16, 2009 at 10:13 am |

    The great-great-great nephew of a Native American wearing a shirt that reads “ARROWS”.

    Crazy world ain’t it?

  • Ricko | July 16, 2009 at 10:15 am |

    [quote comment=”340277″][quote comment=\”340266\”][quote comment=\”340261\”]The Winter Classic seems like the perfect opportunity for the B\’s to break out the 1926-31 style, but they will probably end up going with 1969-74 style whilst the Flyers wear their current thirds. On another note, baseball stadia are terrible venues for hockey, the NHL would have done the fans attending a service if they held the game at Harvard Stadium instead of Fenway, because it would not only provide decent viewpoints because of its design, but also because were they needed, temporary bleachers could be erected in the open end of the bowl.[/quote]

    I think that in every winter classic they have used the first jersey of the team or very close to the first jersey the team wore. I don\’t see why they would not do that with the Bruins.[/quote]
    One reason they may not, is the different eras of the teams. With the other classics, the sweaters were fairly close in years worn, but were both to wear the \’70s era sweaters, it would hearken back to the days of the Big Bad Bruins and the Broad Street Bullies.[/quote]

    I’d bet you’re right, Chris. After last year’s game several of us mentioned that for Flyers-Bruins they’d promote that great rivalry of the ’70s.

    —Ricko

  • Dustin | July 16, 2009 at 10:15 am |

    I’ve seen someone I with whom I work wear those Vibram shoes. I read an article that they should help our walking posture due to lack of padding that current shoes give us (and cause many of us to walk “heavy”). It’s interesting enough (though I’m not sure if I’ll be next one to try them out), and should would work well with Daisuke’s toe socks.

  • leon | July 16, 2009 at 10:17 am |

    I think I amy be missing something. Water seeks it’s own level, so theoretically the bed can be sloped, potholed, furrowed, whatever. so wouldn’t logic dictate that the ice is going to freeze level also? maybe i don’t get how the ice is created.

  • War Damn Eagle | July 16, 2009 at 10:17 am |

    [quote comment=”340276″][quote comment=”340273″]
    Aren’t a lot of the older baseball field sloped in the outfield to allow for better drainage. I thought Wrigley sloped downhill from the infield to the outfield wall. Am I wrong about that? Wouldn’t that be a problem for a flat ice surface, too?[/quote]

    That’s why the ice surface was built on the infield at Wrigley. Most MLB infields are built flat for truer bounces. I would expect that the ice at Fenway would be similar.[/quote]

    Teebz, dude, I want to believe you, but that rink has to be on part of the outfield, not just the infield:

    http://www.eteamz.co...

    http://www.listen2un...

    And there is definitely a slope to Wrigley’s outfield, or at least there was the last time I saw a game there, circa 2003:

    http://i.factmonster...

    But it looks like they made some changes to the slope for the 2008 season that may have lessened the severity:

    http://rangers.mlb.c...

  • Hott Rodd | July 16, 2009 at 10:17 am |

    Hey can anyone tell who the sponsor is for that hockey game? The writing is too small for me to make out.

  • Teebz | July 16, 2009 at 10:18 am |

    [quote comment=”340278″]
    Have to ask Teebz, but I’m certain the angle isn’t as pronounced as a football field. I recall standing on the sidelines at one Big Ten stadium and you could see the team on the other sideline only from the waist up. There was a friggin’ HILL running from goal post to goal post. I asked one of the QB’s about it, and he said he had to adjust his throws on squareouts, etc., or the ball would sail over the receiver’s head, because the guy got so much lower as he ran the route.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    The major problem with football fields being hill-like is that the new artificial arena has pipes that are supposed to lie flat. If the pipes are laid down on a hill, the ice around the boards will suffer heavily because of the summit of the hill. There would be more water to freeze along the boards for a flat ice surface, and the ice at the top along the boards wouldn’t be as strong unless it was a particularly cold day.

    Buffalo had this very problem since the ice wasn’t freezing uniformly across the entire ice surface because it was built on a hill. The ice makers were constantly patching holes around and near the boards because the pipes were lower than what they were near center ice, and the ice at the top was melting due to the warmer weather.

  • Ricko | July 16, 2009 at 10:20 am |

    http://picasaweb.goo...
    Harvey Haddix?

    http://picasaweb.goo...
    Cubs wore ’em, too. In ’57 only.

    http://picasaweb.goo...
    Look, Ma, seafoam green!!!!

    —Ricko

  • Scott Davis | July 16, 2009 at 10:20 am |

    [quote comment=”340284″]Hey can anyone tell who the sponsor is for that hockey game? The writing is too small for me to make out.[/quote]

    I’ll have to get glasses with better magnification. I can’t read it either.

  • Teebz | July 16, 2009 at 10:22 am |

    [quote comment=”340283″][quote comment=”340276″][quote comment=”340273″]
    Aren’t a lot of the older baseball field sloped in the outfield to allow for better drainage. I thought Wrigley sloped downhill from the infield to the outfield wall. Am I wrong about that? Wouldn’t that be a problem for a flat ice surface, too?[/quote]

    That’s why the ice surface was built on the infield at Wrigley. Most MLB infields are built flat for truer bounces. I would expect that the ice at Fenway would be similar.[/quote]

    Teebz, dude, I want to believe you, but that rink has to be on part of the outfield, not just the infield:

    http://www.eteamz.co...

    http://www.listen2un...

    And there is definitely a slope to Wrigley’s outfield, or at least there was the last time I saw a game there, circa 2003:

    http://i.factmonster...

    But it looks like they made some changes to the slope for the 2008 season that may have lessened the severity:

    http://rangers.mlb.c...

    The sloping is not as severe in football stadiums. If there is a slight slope, the pipes are still laid flat on the surface – exactly what one needs when making good ice. The ice freezes uniformly and is much, much stronger.

  • Jeff Scott | July 16, 2009 at 10:30 am |

    Paul, I noticed a few sponsorship conflicts at the All-Star game. Ford is a Cardinals sponsor. There’s “Ford Plaza” in center field and typically 3-4 vehicles on display around the stadium. But, the ASG was sponsored by Chevy, which explains why the Ford logo was covered on the Musial cart. My favorite sponsorship-conflict moment: While volunteering at the stadium on Thursday, I heard an MLB employee ask a team employee to remove the label from his bottle of Ice Mountain water. Ice Mountain is a Cardinals sponsor, but the ASG is sponsored by Pepsi, which markets Aquafina.

  • Chris | July 16, 2009 at 10:33 am |

    On another note about the logo, what’s the deal with the lamppost?

  • Beardface | July 16, 2009 at 10:40 am |

    [quote comment=”340285″][quote comment=”340278″]
    Have to ask Teebz, but I’m certain the angle isn’t as pronounced as a football field. I recall standing on the sidelines at one Big Ten stadium and you could see the team on the other sideline only from the waist up. There was a friggin’ HILL running from goal post to goal post. I asked one of the QB’s about it, and he said he had to adjust his throws on squareouts, etc., or the ball would sail over the receiver’s head, because the guy got so much lower as he ran the route.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    The major problem with football fields being hill-like is that the new artificial arena has pipes that are supposed to lie flat. If the pipes are laid down on a hill, the ice around the boards will suffer heavily because of the summit of the hill. There would be more water to freeze along the boards for a flat ice surface, and the ice at the top along the boards wouldn’t be as strong unless it was a particularly cold day.

    Buffalo had this very problem since the ice wasn’t freezing uniformly across the entire ice surface because it was built on a hill. The ice makers were constantly patching holes around and near the boards because the pipes were lower than what they were near center ice, and the ice at the top was melting due to the warmer weather.[/quote]
    And I don’t think they’ll have a problem this year, because if i’m not mistaken, Fenway uses the tray system to help with draining, which eliminates the need to crown or slope the field.

    I could be wrong on that, but I think they installed the system at Fenway after seeing how well it worked at VT’s Lane Stadium during the 2003 VT-Texas A&M game that was played in Hurricane Isabel.

  • Eriq Jaffe | July 16, 2009 at 10:47 am |

    If a dimpled surface makes a golf ball go farther, why not apply the same principle to a car?

    These are speed holes. They make the car go faster.

  • mako | July 16, 2009 at 10:51 am |

    [quote comment=”340238″]Hey guys, HHH here…

    Paul added the final batch of city flag jerseys to the Flickr set today. (Brace yourselves for teal and neon green Seahawks jerseys!) Just out of curiosity, I’d love to hear what your favorites are, and why. Thanx![/quote]

    Oooh, I love so many of these! The ones that just jumped right out at me (in no particular order):

    http://www.flickr.co...

    http://www.flickr.co...

    http://www.flickr.co...

    http://www.flickr.co...

    http://www.flickr.co...

    http://www.flickr.co...

    and, God help me, http://www.flickr.co...

    Somebody needs to start manufacturing these NOW.

  • JTH | July 16, 2009 at 10:51 am |

    [quote comment=”340288″][quote comment=”340283″][quote comment=”340276″][quote comment=”340273″]
    Aren’t a lot of the older baseball field sloped in the outfield to allow for better drainage. I thought Wrigley sloped downhill from the infield to the outfield wall. Am I wrong about that? Wouldn’t that be a problem for a flat ice surface, too?[/quote]

    That’s why the ice surface was built on the infield at Wrigley. Most MLB infields are built flat for truer bounces. I would expect that the ice at Fenway would be similar.[/quote]

    Teebz, dude, I want to believe you, but that rink has to be on part of the outfield, not just the infield:

    http://www.eteamz.co...

    http://www.listen2un...

    And there is definitely a slope to Wrigley’s outfield, or at least there was the last time I saw a game there, circa 2003:

    http://i.factmonster...

    But it looks like they made some changes to the slope for the 2008 season that may have lessened the severity:

    http://rangers.mlb.c...

    The sloping is not as severe in football stadiums. If there is a slight slope, the pipes are still laid flat on the surface – exactly what one needs when making good ice. The ice freezes uniformly and is much, much stronger.[/quote]
    The entire playing surface was redone at Wrigley after the 2007 season.

  • JTH | July 16, 2009 at 10:56 am |

    Yeah, may[quote comment=”340294″][quote comment=”340288″][quote comment=”340283″][quote comment=”340276″][quote comment=”340273″]
    Aren’t a lot of the older baseball field sloped in the outfield to allow for better drainage. I thought Wrigley sloped downhill from the infield to the outfield wall. Am I wrong about that? Wouldn’t that be a problem for a flat ice surface, too?[/quote]

    That’s why the ice surface was built on the infield at Wrigley. Most MLB infields are built flat for truer bounces. I would expect that the ice at Fenway would be similar.[/quote]

    Teebz, dude, I want to believe you, but that rink has to be on part of the outfield, not just the infield:

    http://www.eteamz.co...

    http://www.listen2un...

    And there is definitely a slope to Wrigley’s outfield, or at least there was the last time I saw a game there, circa 2003:

    http://i.factmonster...

    But it looks like they made some changes to the slope for the 2008 season that may have lessened the severity:

    http://rangers.mlb.c...

    The sloping is not as severe in football stadiums. If there is a slight slope, the pipes are still laid flat on the surface – exactly what one needs when making good ice. The ice freezes uniformly and is much, much stronger.[/quote]
    The entire playing surface was redone at Wrigley after the 2007 season.[/quote]
    Uh, yeah. Guess I should have clicked on some of those links in WDE’s comment.

  • ClubMedSux | July 16, 2009 at 10:57 am |

    Coney Island babies, pre-Wilco…

    So if it’s pre-Wilco, does that mean you were at an Uncle Tupelo show? ;-)

  • Ricko | July 16, 2009 at 10:59 am |

    Please note that stirrups are not way up high on the calf. Stripes should go around the mid-calf and shin…not the upper calf, as in football socks of the day…and there should not be a huge gap between the stirrup and the lowest stripe.
    http://picasaweb.goo...
    (That’s if you subscribe to the theory that stirrups looked their best in the ’50 and early ’60s when at least SOME sanitary showed)

    —Ricko

  • Dave S | July 16, 2009 at 11:01 am |

    Here’s a new t-shirt for you. “I’m calling it Sears”

  • Ricko | July 16, 2009 at 11:01 am |

    Also note that, when standing, the player’s pants should blouse to somewhere near mid-calf.
    http://picasaweb.goo...

  • mako | July 16, 2009 at 11:02 am |

    [quote comment=”340261″]The Winter Classic seems like the perfect opportunity for the B’s to break out the 1926-31 style, but they will probably end up going with 1969-74 style whilst the Flyers wear their current thirds. On another note, baseball stadia are terrible venues for hockey, the NHL would have done the fans attending a service if they held the game at Harvard Stadium instead of Fenway, because it would not only provide decent viewpoints because of its design, but also because were they needed, temporary bleachers could be erected in the open end of the bowl.[/quote]

    I know brown can be a problematic uni color, but as an anal-retentive editor type, it has always bothered me that a team called the Bruins (derived from the Dutch word for brown) no longer features brown as one of its colors.

  • LI Phil | July 16, 2009 at 11:04 am |

    so..yeah

    was in DD getting joe this morning and i saw a dude wearing a sherwin williams t-shirt which was a takeoff on the mlb logo…didn’t get a cell grab (and im not too sure the fella would have appreciated it in a ‘uw sort of way’)…but was pretty cool … they replaced the batter with a dude holding a paintbrush

    did a quick google search and din’t find any examples…but it struck me — did we cover that one before on here?

    how many other examples are there out there of “takeoffs” on jerry dior’s graphic? there’s gotta be some, right?

  • leon | July 16, 2009 at 11:06 am |

    I know brown can be a problematic uni color, but as an anal-retentive editor type, it has always bothered me that a team called the Bruins (derived from the Dutch word for brown) no longer features brown as one of its colors.

    The UCLA colors must leave you downright apoplectic!

  • Ricko | July 16, 2009 at 11:09 am |

    [quote comment=”340300″][quote comment=”340261″]The Winter Classic seems like the perfect opportunity for the B’s to break out the 1926-31 style, but they will probably end up going with 1969-74 style whilst the Flyers wear their current thirds. On another note, baseball stadia are terrible venues for hockey, the NHL would have done the fans attending a service if they held the game at Harvard Stadium instead of Fenway, because it would not only provide decent viewpoints because of its design, but also because were they needed, temporary bleachers could be erected in the open end of the bowl.[/quote]

    I know brown can be a problematic uni color, but as an anal-retentive editor type, it has always bothered me that a team called the Bruins (derived from the Dutch word for brown) no longer features brown as one of its colors.[/quote]

    I imagine botanists can’t figure out why a team in the same league thinks a maple leaf is blue. LOL

    —Ricko

  • anotherguy | July 16, 2009 at 11:13 am |

    [quote comment=”340264″]
    Tell that to the people of Chicago. They filled Wrigley pretty well last season, and appeared to have a phenomenal time.[/quote]

    Yeah, but Teebz I have to think that a huge part of both Wrigley and Fenway is the “old time charm” of the oldest stadia around.

    Do they put the WC in Comiskey? No. When it was being proposed for New York, would they put it in Shea (new or old)? I’d say no again. For that matter, plenty of people here in Chicago said we had no chance of getting last year’s game: they thought the NHL would like to have the “last event ever” in Yankee Stadium.

    Flip the host site for this game from one city to the other: do they put it in the Phillies place as readily as they put it in Fenway? Or do they look more closely at the Eagles stadium?

  • JTH | July 16, 2009 at 11:14 am |

    [quote comment=”340298″]Here’s a new t-shirt for you. “I’m calling it Sears”[/quote]
    I still call it The Broken Building.

  • anotherguy | July 16, 2009 at 11:14 am |

    [quote comment=”340298″]Here’s a new t-shirt for you. “I’m calling it Sears”[/quote]The radio this morning had someone proposing a new nickname: Big Willy.

  • Teebz | July 16, 2009 at 11:15 am |

    [quote comment=”340303″][quote comment=”340300″][quote comment=”340261″]The Winter Classic seems like the perfect opportunity for the B’s to break out the 1926-31 style, but they will probably end up going with 1969-74 style whilst the Flyers wear their current thirds. On another note, baseball stadia are terrible venues for hockey, the NHL would have done the fans attending a service if they held the game at Harvard Stadium instead of Fenway, because it would not only provide decent viewpoints because of its design, but also because were they needed, temporary bleachers could be erected in the open end of the bowl.[/quote]

    I know brown can be a problematic uni color, but as an anal-retentive editor type, it has always bothered me that a team called the Bruins (derived from the Dutch word for brown) no longer features brown as one of its colors.[/quote]

    I imagine botanists can’t figure out why a team in the same league thinks a maple leaf is blue. LOL

    —Ricko[/quote]

    The Maple Leaf originally appeared as green on the St. Pats jerseys in 1927. When Conn Smythe bought the team officially, he opted to change the colours away from the green-and-white to the blue-and-white, even though the green leaf was more botanically-correct.

    There are stories that have been told in hockey circles that Smythe chose those colours to represent the white snow and the “free, blue skies” of Canada after he had fought in WW1, but the more plausible explanation is because he was heavily involved with the University of Toronto Varsity Blues hockey team who, as their name suggests, wore blue. He played for, coached, and managed the Varsity Blues before getting involved in the NHL.

  • Grundy | July 16, 2009 at 11:16 am |

    Ahh, the irony of racism…

    “The only thing my grandfather knew about him is that he was Native American and was sent up to try out for the Cleveland Indians in the ’30s but was sent back because his skin color was too dark.”

  • Teebz | July 16, 2009 at 11:16 am |

    [quote comment=”340304″][quote comment=”340264″]
    Tell that to the people of Chicago. They filled Wrigley pretty well last season, and appeared to have a phenomenal time.[/quote]

    Yeah, but Teebz I have to think that a huge part of both Wrigley and Fenway is the “old time charm” of the oldest stadia around.

    Do they put the WC in Comiskey? No. When it was being proposed for New York, would they put it in Shea (new or old)? I’d say no again. For that matter, plenty of people here in Chicago said we had no chance of getting last year’s game: they thought the NHL would like to have the “last event ever” in Yankee Stadium.

    Flip the host site for this game from one city to the other: do they put it in the Phillies place as readily as they put it in Fenway? Or do they look more closely at the Eagles stadium?[/quote]

    If you’re playing a throwback game, would you put the game in a brand-new stadium?

    The whole idea behind these games is history. They wear old jerseys, they play outdoors, they hype the NHL’s history. Putting the games in old venues like Wrigley, Fenway, and others only makes too much sense.

  • Ricko | July 16, 2009 at 11:17 am |

    [quote comment=”340300″][quote comment=”340261″]The Winter Classic seems like the perfect opportunity for the B’s to break out the 1926-31 style, but they will probably end up going with 1969-74 style whilst the Flyers wear their current thirds. On another note, baseball stadia are terrible venues for hockey, the NHL would have done the fans attending a service if they held the game at Harvard Stadium instead of Fenway, because it would not only provide decent viewpoints because of its design, but also because were they needed, temporary bleachers could be erected in the open end of the bowl.[/quote]

    I know brown can be a problematic uni color, but as an anal-retentive editor type, it has always bothered me that a team called the Bruins (derived from the Dutch word for brown) no longer features brown as one of its colors.[/quote]

    Origin of the word notwithstanding, isn’t the range of the brown bear pretty much limited to the western U.S, and the northeast is black bear country?

    —Ricko

  • anotherguy | July 16, 2009 at 11:18 am |

    [quote comment=”340295″]Uh, yeah. Guess I should have clicked on some of those links in WDE’s comment.[/quote]

    JTH, I’m surprised at you. How could you not remember that Wrigley brought in the best groundskeeper in baseball to fix that mudhole?

    ;-)

  • Teebz | July 16, 2009 at 11:19 am |

    [quote comment=”340310″][quote comment=”340300″][quote comment=”340261″]The Winter Classic seems like the perfect opportunity for the B’s to break out the 1926-31 style, but they will probably end up going with 1969-74 style whilst the Flyers wear their current thirds. On another note, baseball stadia are terrible venues for hockey, the NHL would have done the fans attending a service if they held the game at Harvard Stadium instead of Fenway, because it would not only provide decent viewpoints because of its design, but also because were they needed, temporary bleachers could be erected in the open end of the bowl.[/quote]

    I know brown can be a problematic uni color, but as an anal-retentive editor type, it has always bothered me that a team called the Bruins (derived from the Dutch word for brown) no longer features brown as one of its colors.[/quote]

    Origin of the word notwithstanding, isn’t the range of the brown bear pretty much limited to the western U.S, and the northeast is black bear country?

    —Ricko[/quote]

    When they wore brown, Art Ross was given the task of picking a name. Ross chose “Bruins” because of brown bears’ ferocious natures. It was quite suitable before the change to black-and-yellow.

  • anotherguy | July 16, 2009 at 11:20 am |

    [quote comment=”340307″]
    There are stories that have been told in hockey circles that Smythe chose those colours to represent the white snow and the “free, blue skies” of Canada after he had fought in WW1, but the more plausible explanation is because he was heavily involved with the University of Toronto Varsity Blues hockey team who, as their name suggests, wore blue. He played for, coached, and managed the Varsity Blues before getting involved in the NHL.[/quote]

    LOL. I think many of those early owners went cheap first, then invented history to justify their choices. :-)

  • Ricko | July 16, 2009 at 11:22 am |

    [quote comment=”340309″][quote comment=”340304″][quote comment=”340264″]
    Tell that to the people of Chicago. They filled Wrigley pretty well last season, and appeared to have a phenomenal time.[/quote]

    Yeah, but Teebz I have to think that a huge part of both Wrigley and Fenway is the “old time charm” of the oldest stadia around.

    Do they put the WC in Comiskey? No. When it was being proposed for New York, would they put it in Shea (new or old)? I’d say no again. For that matter, plenty of people here in Chicago said we had no chance of getting last year’s game: they thought the NHL would like to have the “last event ever” in Yankee Stadium.

    Flip the host site for this game from one city to the other: do they put it in the Phillies place as readily as they put it in Fenway? Or do they look more closely at the Eagles stadium?[/quote]

    If you’re playing a throwback game, would you put the game in a brand-new stadium?

    The whole idea behind these games is history. They wear old jerseys, they play outdoors, they hype the NHL’s history. Putting the games in old venues like Wrigley, Fenway, and others only makes too much sense.[/quote]

    Makes for a better TV attraction, too, and they certainly are entitled to consider that, especially since, as a TV event, they’re two years away or less from taking New Year’s Day away from the meaningless college bowl games (‘cept maybe Rose Bowl, but not an issue because it’s later in the day). Y’know, that may become the new tradition of the day: Watch the NHL game with everyone freezing their asses off but having a good time, take a break, watch the warm weather “Granddaddy of ’em all” on nice green grass.

    A nice contrast…a paradox, even…to start the New Year.

    —Ricko

  • anotherguy | July 16, 2009 at 11:23 am |

    [quote comment=”340309″]

    If you’re playing a throwback game, would you put the game in a brand-new stadium?

    The whole idea behind these games is history. They wear old jerseys, they play outdoors, they hype the NHL’s history. Putting the games in old venues like Wrigley, Fenway, and others only makes too much sense.[/quote]

    Well, that Buffalo stadium isn’t exactly OLD, is it?

    Anyway, the point isn’t so much old vs. new but rather baseball stadium vs. football stadium. When they have a choice of new baseball vs. new football, let’s see what happens.

    I don’t know the answer to this question but I’ll throw it out anyway: does War Memorial still exist?

  • JTH | July 16, 2009 at 11:26 am |

    [quote comment=”340311″][quote comment=”340295″]Uh, yeah. Guess I should have clicked on some of those links in WDE’s comment.[/quote]

    JTH, I’m surprised at you. How could you not remember that Wrigley brought in the best groundskeeper in baseball to fix that mudhole?

    ;-)[/quote]
    The Sodfather is mentioned in the first sentence of the article that WarDamnEagle and I both linked.

  • anotherguy | July 16, 2009 at 11:27 am |

    [quote comment=”340290″]On another note about the logo, what’s the deal with the lamppost?[/quote]
    Thanks! I had that question yesterday.

    Any Bah-stun experts here today?

  • Ricko | July 16, 2009 at 11:30 am |

    [quote comment=”340315″][quote comment=”340309″]

    If you’re playing a throwback game, would you put the game in a brand-new stadium?

    The whole idea behind these games is history. They wear old jerseys, they play outdoors, they hype the NHL’s history. Putting the games in old venues like Wrigley, Fenway, and others only makes too much sense.[/quote]

    Well, that Buffalo stadium isn’t exactly OLD, is it?

    Anyway, the point isn’t so much old vs. new but rather baseball stadium vs. football stadium. When they have a choice of new baseball vs. new football, let’s see what happens.

    I don’t know the answer to this question but I’ll throw it out anyway: does War Memorial still exist?[/quote]

    All about the “draw”.
    2011? If things stay as they are today, it’ll be AO and the Capitals against the Rangers at one of the new NY ballparks, probably Yankee Stadium.
    Not necessarily what I think they should do, but what I think they will do.
    Write it down.

    —Ricko

  • leon | July 16, 2009 at 11:30 am |

    [quote comment=”340317″][quote comment=”340290″]On another note about the logo, what’s the deal with the lamppost?[/quote]
    Thanks! I had that question yesterday.

    Any Bah-stun experts here today?[/quote]

    One if by land, two if by sea?

    :)

  • Joe Barrie | July 16, 2009 at 11:32 am |

    [quote comment=”340261″]The Winter Classic seems like the perfect opportunity for the B’s to break out the 1926-31 style, but they will probably end up going with 1969-74 style whilst the Flyers wear their current thirds. On another note, baseball stadia are terrible venues for hockey, the NHL would have done the fans attending a service if they held the game at Harvard Stadium instead of Fenway, because it would not only provide decent viewpoints because of its design, but also because were they needed, temporary bleachers could be erected in the open end of the bowl.[/quote]

    Harvard Stadium is miserable in November; January would be awful, especially on those concrete seats.

  • mako | July 16, 2009 at 11:32 am |

    [quote comment=”340302″]I know brown can be a problematic uni color, but as an anal-retentive editor type, it has always bothered me that a team called the Bruins (derived from the Dutch word for brown) no longer features brown as one of its colors.

    The UCLA colors must leave you downright apoplectic![/quote]

    Not really; as a San Francisco native I was taught early to spit on all things L.A., so their stupid colors have never bothered me. :-) And I went to college in Massachusetts, which only reinforced my early (Orr-Espo era) attachment to the Boston Bruins.

    But, yeah, Ricko, while we’re at it, blue maple leaves? And then there’s the whole “Leaf” vs. “Leaves” thing. The club website ( http://mapleleafs.nh... ) claims it’s because they were named after the Maple Leaf Regiment (which others dispute), and English grammar dictates that you form the plural of most proper nouns simply by adding “S,” but I’m willing to bet most people don’t know/care about the Maple Leaf Regiment now, and – no offense – I still think it looks, you know, kind of stupid.

  • anotherguy | July 16, 2009 at 11:32 am |

    [quote comment=”340316″]
    The Sodfather is mentioned in the first sentence of the article that WarDamnEagle and I both linked.[/quote]
    Gotcha! I was working my way up the comment list and responded to #65; then after I posted I got to #64 and I was a bit confused as to why you were responding to yourself.

    Confused; and to be honest, I was a bit concerned too. ;-)

  • Ricko | July 16, 2009 at 11:33 am |

    esp. now that Gaborik is a Rangers. If he stays healthy his name will be heard much more, which would make him an attraction of some renown for the NHL to pair against AO in a HUGE national spotlight.

  • anotherguy | July 16, 2009 at 11:34 am |

    [quote comment=”340319″]One if by land, two if by sea?
    :)[/quote]
    Well, I guess it COULD be a lantern… with a long base.

    And no handle.

    :-)

  • Teebz | July 16, 2009 at 11:34 am |

    [quote comment=”340315″][quote comment=”340309″]

    If you’re playing a throwback game, would you put the game in a brand-new stadium?

    The whole idea behind these games is history. They wear old jerseys, they play outdoors, they hype the NHL’s history. Putting the games in old venues like Wrigley, Fenway, and others only makes too much sense.[/quote]

    Well, that Buffalo stadium isn’t exactly OLD, is it?

    Anyway, the point isn’t so much old vs. new but rather baseball stadium vs. football stadium. When they have a choice of new baseball vs. new football, let’s see what happens.

    I don’t know the answer to this question but I’ll throw it out anyway: does War Memorial still exist?[/quote]

    Buffalo was the testing ground, though. The NHL basically admitted that. They wanted to see if it worked, and what didn’t work.

    Artificial football fields didn’t work because of the hill, so they went out and looked for a flatter surface. The reason the ice held up so well in the Heritage Classic in Edmonton was because the temperature was around -30 C, and the nautral grass field had some give to it.

    If you notice, they have yet to play the game on an artificial baseball surface as well.

  • Seth H | July 16, 2009 at 11:39 am |

    “On another note, baseball stadia are terrible venues for hockey, the NHL would have done the fans attending a service if they held the game at Harvard Stadium instead of Fenway, because it would not only provide decent viewpoints because of its design, but also because were they needed, temporary bleachers could be erected in the open end of the bowl.”

    While it will not be toasty at Fenway, it would be hard to pick a worse place to watch an event on January 1 than Harvard Stadium. No seats; just concrete risers to sit on. Lots of wind blowing in from the river (although it is better now that they built the new squash courts at the open end). I froze my butt off there many Saturdays in October and November. January would be ridiculous.

    However, it is true that hockey has been played at Harvard Stadium in the past. (Scroll down the page): http://images.google...

  • LI Phil | July 16, 2009 at 11:39 am |

    i don’t know much, but i do know this…

    at least for the third thursday in july, 2009, argyle rocks

    how about that watson fella? he’s older than ricko and he’s leading the open

  • anotherguy | July 16, 2009 at 11:41 am |

    [quote comment=”340318″]
    All about the “draw”.
    2011? If things stay as they are today, it’ll be AO and the Capitals against the Rangers at one of the new NY ballparks, probably Yankee Stadium.
    Not necessarily what I think they should do, but what I think they will do.
    Write it down.[/quote]
    After I started thinking about Teebz’ posting, I was thinking about new old and who might also have an open date for their football team/stadium then. The list seems to be short: NY, Boston, Philly, Pittsburgh, all no. We seem to be in an up cycle for some of the northern NFL teams right now.

    At least for northern cities with a classic NHL franchise AND an outdoor football stadium.

  • Ricko | July 16, 2009 at 11:42 am |

    [quote comment=”340319″][quote comment=”340317″][quote comment=”340290″]On another note about the logo, what’s the deal with the lamppost?[/quote]
    Thanks! I had that question yesterday.

    Any Bah-stun experts here today?[/quote]

    One if by land, two if by sea?

    :)[/quote]

    Kinda just represents historic Boston, doesn’t it? Y’know. Boston Commons and all?

  • Teebz | July 16, 2009 at 11:43 am |

    [quote comment=”340328″][quote comment=”340318″]
    All about the “draw”.
    2011? If things stay as they are today, it’ll be AO and the Capitals against the Rangers at one of the new NY ballparks, probably Yankee Stadium.
    Not necessarily what I think they should do, but what I think they will do.
    Write it down.[/quote]
    After I started thinking about Teebz’ posting, I was thinking about new old and who might also have an open date for their football team/stadium then. The list seems to be short: NY, Boston, Philly, Pittsburgh, all no. We seem to be in an up cycle for some of the northern NFL teams right now.

    At least for northern cities with a classic NHL franchise AND an outdoor football stadium.[/quote]

    I’m guaranteeing you that the NHL goes west for the next one. Don’t book your flights to the east coast for next season just yet.

  • Beardface | July 16, 2009 at 11:44 am |

    [quote comment=”340304″]Flip the host site for this game from one city to the other: do they put it in the Phillies place as readily as they put it in Fenway? Or do they look more closely at the Eagles stadium?[/quote]
    Franklin Field in Philly or Beaver Stadium in College Park.

  • anotherguy | July 16, 2009 at 11:45 am |

    [quote comment=”340325″]If you notice, they have yet to play the game on an artificial baseball surface as well.[/quote]
    Outdoor fake grass baseball stadiums seem to be getting rarer and rarer, don’t they?

    Even Green Bay valiently tries to stick with natural grass. Personally, I like it.

  • LI Phil | July 16, 2009 at 11:46 am |

    [quote]I’m guaranteeing you that the NHL goes west for the next one. Don’t book your flights to the east coast for next season just yet.[/quote]

    unless they want to exhaust the last of the original six

    then you’re setting up rangers v. canadiens/leafs, unfortunately…and probably at new meadowlands

  • Beardface | July 16, 2009 at 11:48 am |

    [quote comment=”340318″]All about the “draw”.
    2011? If things stay as they are today, it’ll be AO and the Capitals against the Rangers at one of the new NY ballparks, probably Yankee Stadium.
    Not necessarily what I think they should do, but what I think they will do.
    Write it down.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Not sure if Washington will ever get a Winter Classic. Not that the NHL doesn’t drool over wanting AO in the game, but he’s quite literally the only piece of that team that people would care to see, and if were to ever get hurt and miss the game, the whole event would blow up in their face. Its too much of a gamble for the NHL to schedule the Caps for a 1 night event like that.

    Washington was supposed to get this one against Boston, but NBC steadfastly demanded for Philly to be included over Washington. My guess is for the exact reason stated above.

  • anotherguy | July 16, 2009 at 11:48 am |

    [quote comment=”340331″]… Beaver Stadium in College Park.[/quote]
    Now that would be something.

    A place that’s famed for being the epitome of “you can’t get there from here” hosting a game during a short daylight time…

    Anyway, the NHL wants that press buildup. You aren’t getting that in SC, PA.

  • aflfan | July 16, 2009 at 11:48 am |

    [quote comment=”340333″][quote]I’m guaranteeing you that the NHL goes west for the next one. Don’t book your flights to the east coast for next season just yet.[/quote]

    unless they want to exhaust the last of the original six

    then you’re setting up rangers v. canadiens, unfortunately…and probably at new meadowlands[/quote]

    The Canadiens already played an outdoor game. The Leafs have yet to play outdoors.

  • Berto | July 16, 2009 at 11:48 am |

    -I love the collar on the Pirates uni

    -Who is that kid? He’s adorable.

    -Great shot of Musial’s driver looking pissed.

  • anotherguy | July 16, 2009 at 11:49 am |

    [quote comment=”340330″]I’m guaranteeing you that the NHL goes west for the next one. Don’t book your flights to the east coast for next season just yet.[/quote]
    Someone on the ice crew was asked about LA. He said that anything is possible in theory.

  • mmwatkin | July 16, 2009 at 11:51 am |

    [quote comment=”340314″][quote comment=”340309″][quote comment=”340304″][quote comment=”340264″]
    Tell that to the people of Chicago. They filled Wrigley pretty well last season, and appeared to have a phenomenal time.[/quote]

    Yeah, but Teebz I have to think that a huge part of both Wrigley and Fenway is the “old time charm” of the oldest stadia around.

    Do they put the WC in Comiskey? No. When it was being proposed for New York, would they put it in Shea (new or old)? I’d say no again. For that matter, plenty of people here in Chicago said we had no chance of getting last year’s game: they thought the NHL would like to have the “last event ever” in Yankee Stadium.

    Flip the host site for this game from one city to the other: do they put it in the Phillies place as readily as they put it in Fenway? Or do they look more closely at the Eagles stadium?[/quote]

    If you’re playing a throwback game, would you put the game in a brand-new stadium?

    The whole idea behind these games is history. They wear old jerseys, they play outdoors, they hype the NHL’s history. Putting the games in old venues like Wrigley, Fenway, and others only makes too much sense.[/quote]

    Makes for a better TV attraction, too, and they certainly are entitled to consider that, especially since, as a TV event, they’re two years away or less from taking New Year’s Day away from the meaningless college bowl games (‘cept maybe Rose Bowl, but not an issue because it’s later in the day). Y’know, that may become the new tradition of the day: Watch the NHL game with everyone freezing their asses off but having a good time, take a break, watch the warm weather “Granddaddy of ’em all” on nice green grass.

    A nice contrast…a paradox, even…to start the New Year.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I can’t imagine that the NCAA is too worried about losing viewers to the WC (at least in the U.S., anyway). I like the WC and can see it’s popularity in the Midwest and Northeast, but I would imagine that the majority of the U.S. viewers would rather watch the “meaningless” Capital One Bowl over a regular season NHL game. The big attraction to the WC is the curiosity level…and I think that will begin the shrink once people get a steady diet of it.

    I haven’t been to either of the WC’s (but did go to the UM-MSU “cold war”). I hope they have success with it in the future but I don’t think it has the fire power in the long run to outshine a college football tradition.

  • Mark K | July 16, 2009 at 11:51 am |

    [quote comment=”340315″]
    I don’t know the answer to this question but I’ll throw it out anyway: does War Memorial still exist?[/quote]

    Nope. It was torn down soon after the ball team moved downtown [was it really 20 years ago?].

    I think a large corner of it still stands at the corner of Jefferson and Best over a neglected park.

  • Chris | July 16, 2009 at 11:53 am |

    [quote comment=\”340329\”][quote comment=\”340319\”][quote comment=\”340317\”][quote comment=\”340290\”]On another note about the logo, what\’s the deal with the lamppost?[/quote]
    Thanks! I had that question yesterday.

    Any Bah-stun experts here today?[/quote]

    One if by land, two if by sea?

    :)[/quote]

    Kinda just represents historic Boston, doesn\’t it? Y\’know. Boston Commons and all?[/quote]
    It\’s Common, but after a quick google search of \”boston lamp post\” a pic of a lamppost on beacon hill looked like the one in the logo, so it could be that

  • Greenie | July 16, 2009 at 11:53 am |

    [quote comment=”340301″]so..yeah

    was in DD getting joe this morning and i saw a dude wearing a sherwin williams t-shirt which was a takeoff on the mlb logo…didn’t get a cell grab (and im not too sure the fella would have appreciated it in a ‘uw sort of way’)…but was pretty cool … they replaced the batter with a dude holding a paintbrush

    did a quick google search and din’t find any examples…but it struck me — did we cover that one before on here?

    how many other examples are there out there of “takeoffs” on jerry dior’s graphic? there’s gotta be some, right?[/quote]

    I used to have a Less Than Jake (band) t-shirt a while back that was a take off on the MLB logo. Found one old picture where you can barely see it – but found another shirt on their website that has the same figure on a maple leaf instead of the MLB logo. Here’s a pic side to side.

    http://farm4.static....

  • Beardface | July 16, 2009 at 11:53 am |

    [quote comment=”340335″][quote comment=”340331″]… Beaver Stadium in College Park.[/quote]
    Now that would be something.

    A place that’s famed for being the epitome of “you can’t get there from here” hosting a game during a short daylight time…

    Anyway, the NHL wants that press buildup. You aren’t getting that in SC, PA.[/quote]
    If you played a Pens-Flyers game in Beaver Stadium, the event alone would be enough of a press buildup. The game would sell out and it would be one heck of an atmosphere. Give it 5 years, I could see it happening.

  • anotherguy | July 16, 2009 at 11:54 am |

    [quote comment=”340339″]…I don’t think it has the fire power in the long run to outshine a college football tradition.[/quote]
    Good choice of words: sitting here freezing my butt off on NYD, I sort of look forward to seeing some sunshine, football and cheerleaders.

  • anotherguy | July 16, 2009 at 11:56 am |

    [quote comment=”340343″]If you played a Pens-Flyers game in Beaver Stadium, the event alone would be enough of a press buildup. The game would sell out and it would be one heck of an atmosphere. Give it 5 years, I could see it happening.[/quote]
    Could be.

    Maybe I’m wrong, maybe both the Philly and Pittsburgh NBC stations will send crews to SC for two-three days prior. Who knows.

  • TMcLaughlin | July 16, 2009 at 11:56 am |

    [quote comment=”340317″][quote comment=”340290″]On another note about the logo, what’s the deal with the lamppost?[/quote]
    Thanks! I had that question yesterday.

    Any Bah-stun experts here today?[/quote]

    Go walking around some of your more historic neighborhoods (North End, Beacon Hill, etc.) and you’ll still see gaslights everywhere. Where they are not is anywhere around Fenway Park, so why they chose that is beyond me. I was expecting to see something like this.

    And if they had it in Phila., maybe Franklin Field would’ve been a good choice.

  • Ricko | July 16, 2009 at 11:57 am |

    [quote comment=”340330″][quote comment=”340328″][quote comment=”340318″]
    All about the “draw”.
    2011? If things stay as they are today, it’ll be AO and the Capitals against the Rangers at one of the new NY ballparks, probably Yankee Stadium.
    Not necessarily what I think they should do, but what I think they will do.
    Write it down.[/quote]
    After I started thinking about Teebz’ posting, I was thinking about new old and who might also have an open date for their football team/stadium then. The list seems to be short: NY, Boston, Philly, Pittsburgh, all no. We seem to be in an up cycle for some of the northern NFL teams right now.

    At least for northern cities with a classic NHL franchise AND an outdoor football stadium.[/quote]

    I’m guaranteeing you that the NHL goes west for the next one. Don’t book your flights to the east coast for next season just yet.[/quote]

    Geography irrelevant. It’s all about the best showcasing of the league without repeating a team that’s been in it…in a cold weather city…that will make the best TV event and garner the largest TV audience. NHL would gain much, much more out of AO/Capitals vs. Gaborik/Rangers at Yankee Stadium than any other three-way combo I can come up with that fits the criteria I mentioned.

    This isn’t about reaching people who have already been sold, remember.

    —Ricko

  • TMcLaughlin | July 16, 2009 at 11:58 am |

    Damnit! I gotta type faster!

  • Teebz | July 16, 2009 at 11:58 am |

    [quote comment=”340338″][quote comment=”340330″]I’m guaranteeing you that the NHL goes west for the next one. Don’t book your flights to the east coast for next season just yet.[/quote]
    Someone on the ice crew was asked about LA. He said that anything is possible in theory.[/quote]

    I’ll say this: Calgary wants one badly. They tried to get a second one this year. The rumour was Calgary vs. Toronto which would satisfy both Toronto’s outdoor game, and Calgary’s wish to host one.

  • LI Phil | July 16, 2009 at 12:00 pm |

    [quote]The Canadiens already played an outdoor game. The Leafs have yet to play outdoors.[/quote]

    yeah, i meant to put that in my original post which i amended shortly afterwards…you prolly caught it (and quoted it) before the edit

    i remember that heritage classic game (and if memory serves, the damn thing wasn’t broadcast live in my viewing area–which pissed me off)…but the idea of nightime puck in -30 temps was awesome

  • Teebz | July 16, 2009 at 12:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”340347″][quote comment=”340330″][quote comment=”340328″][quote comment=”340318″]
    All about the “draw”.
    2011? If things stay as they are today, it’ll be AO and the Capitals against the Rangers at one of the new NY ballparks, probably Yankee Stadium.
    Not necessarily what I think they should do, but what I think they will do.
    Write it down.[/quote]
    After I started thinking about Teebz’ posting, I was thinking about new old and who might also have an open date for their football team/stadium then. The list seems to be short: NY, Boston, Philly, Pittsburgh, all no. We seem to be in an up cycle for some of the northern NFL teams right now.

    At least for northern cities with a classic NHL franchise AND an outdoor football stadium.[/quote]

    I’m guaranteeing you that the NHL goes west for the next one. Don’t book your flights to the east coast for next season just yet.[/quote]

    Geography irrelevant. It’s all about the best showcasing of the league without repeating a team that’s been in it…in a cold weather city…that will make the best TV event and garner the largest TV audience. NHL would gain much, much more out of AO/Capitals vs. Gaborik/Rangers at Yankee Stadium than any other three-way combo I can come up with that fits the criteria I mentioned.

    This isn’t about reaching people who have already been sold, remember.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Geography is entirely relevant.

    If the games are continually played in the Eastern Time Zone with teams that have no effect on the Western Conference, you’re going to start having leisurely hockey fans in the West start tuning out.

    All you’re doing is dangling carrots with this game every season. Throw the West a carrot once in a while, and then hammer away on the East Coast again.

  • Hibbs | July 16, 2009 at 12:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”340301″]so..yeah

    was in DD getting joe this morning and i saw a dude wearing a sherwin williams t-shirt which was a takeoff on the mlb logo…didn’t get a cell grab (and im not too sure the fella would have appreciated it in a ‘uw sort of way’)…but was pretty cool … they replaced the batter with a dude holding a paintbrush

    did a quick google search and din’t find any examples…but it struck me — did we cover that one before on here?

    how many other examples are there out there of “takeoffs” on jerry dior’s graphic? there’s gotta be some, right?[/quote]

    I brought it up over a year ago, but nobody bit. Per usual.
    The logo I saw, however, wasn’t a guy holding a brush. The one I saw was the mlb logo with only a brush.

  • LI Phil | July 16, 2009 at 12:03 pm |

    [quote]you’re going to start having leisurely hockey fans in the West start tuning out[/quote]

    all three of them?

  • Ricko | July 16, 2009 at 12:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”340343″][quote comment=”340335″][quote comment=”340331″]… Beaver Stadium in College Park.[/quote]
    Now that would be something.

    A place that’s famed for being the epitome of “you can’t get there from here” hosting a game during a short daylight time…

    Anyway, the NHL wants that press buildup. You aren’t getting that in SC, PA.[/quote]
    If you played a Pens-Flyers game in Beaver Stadium, the event alone would be enough of a press buildup. The game would sell out and it would be one heck of an atmosphere. Give it 5 years, I could see it happening.[/quote]

    Yeah, will be awhile before a team repeats…or there’s a Canadian team in it. This is a U.S. show, don’t forget that. Not about attracting Canadian viewers, not first and foremost, anyway. They’ll be there. They’re a given.

    Anyone have the TV ratings comparing the 2009 Winter Classic to the bowl games it was up against?

    It thought it was “Common” but a mess of websites came up with “Commons” and I figured I had it wrong.

    –Ricko

  • EL | July 16, 2009 at 12:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”340306″][quote comment=”340298″]Here’s a new t-shirt for you. “I’m calling it Sears”[/quote]The radio this morning had someone proposing a new nickname: Big Willy.[/quote]

    I’m sitting inside “Big Willie” as we speak and would love to have a “I’m calling it Sears” shirt, if not for the bus casual requirement!!!!

  • anotherguy | July 16, 2009 at 12:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”340349″]
    I’ll say this: Calgary wants one badly. They tried to get a second one this year. The rumour was Calgary vs. Toronto which would satisfy both Toronto’s outdoor game, and Calgary’s wish to host one.[/quote]
    Oh hell, I don’t blame anyone in Canada for wanting this: and I can sure see how it would REALLY piss them off if it suddenly went to anywhere outside the northern US. The entire idea is the kids-on-a-rink-with-stocking-hats look, not the “can someone get me a cold beer, I’m boiling in the sun” look.

    With all that said, TV rules the roost. The number of TV’s in Calgary vs the number of TV’s in LA is a hard sell.

  • aflfan | July 16, 2009 at 12:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”340354″][quote comment=”340343″][quote comment=”340335″][quote comment=”340331″]… Beaver Stadium in College Park.[/quote]
    Now that would be something.

    A place that’s famed for being the epitome of “you can’t get there from here” hosting a game during a short daylight time…

    Anyway, the NHL wants that press buildup. You aren’t getting that in SC, PA.[/quote]
    If you played a Pens-Flyers game in Beaver Stadium, the event alone would be enough of a press buildup. The game would sell out and it would be one heck of an atmosphere. Give it 5 years, I could see it happening.[/quote]

    Yeah, will be awhile before a team repeats…or there’s a Canadian team in it. This is a U.S. show, don’t forget that. Not about attracting Canadian viewers, not first and foremost, anyway. They’ll be there. They’re a given.

    Anyone have the TV ratings comparing the 2009 Winter Classic to the bowl games it was up against?

    It thought it was “Common” but a mess of websites came up with “Commons” and I figured I had it wrong.

    –Ricko[/quote]

    I know that in the Detroit area, the first WC went up against the Michigan Bowl game. I am a hockey fan but also a Michigan fan so I watch the Michigan game. Last year, the WC went up against MSU but it was the Wings so I watched the WC. I think it depends who is in the WC and the bowl games that conflict that will dictates who watches the WC.

  • Teebz | July 16, 2009 at 12:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”340353″][quote]you’re going to start having leisurely hockey fans in the West start tuning out[/quote]

    all three of them?[/quote]

    I’m quite certain that you would sell out a game in Calgary at McMahon Stadium, holding 40000+, in mere minutes.

    Denver at Mile High, Minneapolis at the new “olde-tyme” Target baseball complex, St. Louis at Busch Stadium… there are a number of places to hold it.

    The difference is that there just are so many more teams on the East Coast, so all the NHL has to do is toss one out west once in a while.

  • Ricko | July 16, 2009 at 12:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”340351″][quote comment=”340347″][quote comment=”340330″][quote comment=”340328″][quote comment=”340318″]
    All about the “draw”.
    2011? If things stay as they are today, it’ll be AO and the Capitals against the Rangers at one of the new NY ballparks, probably Yankee Stadium.
    Not necessarily what I think they should do, but what I think they will do.
    Write it down.[/quote]
    After I started thinking about Teebz’ posting, I was thinking about new old and who might also have an open date for their football team/stadium then. The list seems to be short: NY, Boston, Philly, Pittsburgh, all no. We seem to be in an up cycle for some of the northern NFL teams right now.

    At least for northern cities with a classic NHL franchise AND an outdoor football stadium.[/quote]

    I’m guaranteeing you that the NHL goes west for the next one. Don’t book your flights to the east coast for next season just yet.[/quote]

    Geography irrelevant. It’s all about the best showcasing of the league without repeating a team that’s been in it…in a cold weather city…that will make the best TV event and garner the largest TV audience. NHL would gain much, much more out of AO/Capitals vs. Gaborik/Rangers at Yankee Stadium than any other three-way combo I can come up with that fits the criteria I mentioned.

    This isn’t about reaching people who have already been sold, remember.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Geography is entirely relevant.

    If the games are continually played in the Eastern Time Zone with teams that have no effect on the Western Conference, you’re going to start having leisurely hockey fans in the West start tuning out.

    All you’re doing is dangling carrots with this game every season. Throw the West a carrot once in a while, and then hammer away on the East Coast again.[/quote]

    They won’t change the time slot. Would be suicide to give up a daypart they are on the verge of owning. They would be seriously brain dead to go up against the Rose Bowl. The early New Year’s Day Bowls have lost much of their oomph and the NHL’s early start is a perfect way to trump them. Not totally, but in that time slot…and that’s all that matters. Who cares what’s on at 4:30, NHL wants to own noonish on New Year’s Day…and they’re just about there. Why would they be so stupid as to surrender it?

    —Ricko

  • Bernard | July 16, 2009 at 12:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”340301″]so..yeah

    was in DD getting joe this morning and i saw a dude wearing a sherwin williams t-shirt which was a takeoff on the mlb logo…didn’t get a cell grab (and im not too sure the fella would have appreciated it in a ‘uw sort of way’)…but was pretty cool … they replaced the batter with a dude holding a paintbrush

    did a quick google search and din’t find any examples…but it struck me — did we cover that one before on here?

    how many other examples are there out there of “takeoffs” on jerry dior’s graphic? there’s gotta be some, right?[/quote]

    http://media.photobu...

  • mmwatkin | July 16, 2009 at 12:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”340354″][quote comment=”340343″][quote comment=”340335″][quote comment=”340331″]… Beaver Stadium in College Park.[/quote]
    Now that would be something.

    A place that’s famed for being the epitome of “you can’t get there from here” hosting a game during a short daylight time…

    Anyway, the NHL wants that press buildup. You aren’t getting that in SC, PA.[/quote]
    If you played a Pens-Flyers game in Beaver Stadium, the event alone would be enough of a press buildup. The game would sell out and it would be one heck of an atmosphere. Give it 5 years, I could see it happening.[/quote]

    Yeah, will be awhile before a team repeats…or there’s a Canadian team in it. This is a U.S. show, don’t forget that. Not about attracting Canadian viewers, not first and foremost, anyway. They’ll be there. They’re a given.

    Anyone have the TV ratings comparing the 2009 Winter Classic to the bowl games it was up against?

    It thought it was “Common” but a mess of websites came up with “Commons” and I figured I had it wrong.

    –Ricko[/quote]

    IIRC, the WC was up against the Capital One Bowl. I only remember because I was visiting my parents in FL and was switching back and forth. All of their neighbors were stunned that I would want to watch a hockey game on New Years, lol.

    This is the best I can do:

    http://sportsmediawa...

  • JTH | July 16, 2009 at 12:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”340351″]If the games are continually played in the Eastern Time Zone with teams that have no effect on the Western Conference, you’re going to start having leisurely hockey fans in the West start tuning out.[/quote]
    Continually? This year’s game was played in the Central Time Zone between two Western Conference teams.

  • Ricko | July 16, 2009 at 12:15 pm |

    Said it before. A big part of the appeal of the WC is the contrast on that day…for the viewers. Start with Bob Costas in a topcoat in the snow, finish with cheerleaders in sunshine.

    Just great TV all the way around, folks. Think like an NHL or network exec, not like a fan, and it gets much easier to see how it all hangs together, why it works, and where it’s headed.

    —Ricko

  • Jerry | July 16, 2009 at 12:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”340278″][quote comment=”340273″][quote comment=”340262″][quote comment=”340261″]The Winter Classic seems like the perfect opportunity for the B’s to break out the 1926-31 style, but they will probably end up going with 1969-74 style whilst the Flyers wear their current thirds. On another note, baseball stadia are terrible venues for hockey, the NHL would have done the fans attending a service if they held the game at Harvard Stadium instead of Fenway, because it would not only provide decent viewpoints because of its design, but also because were they needed, temporary bleachers could be erected in the open end of the bowl.[/quote]

    I think Teebz explained that because football fields are crowned there’s a major engineering issue with leveling the area where the ice will be to get a flat sheet. I believe it was after the Penguins-Sabres game in Buffalo that the NHL realized football stadia were virtually untenable. Time is money, and the record is showing that playing in ballparks doesn’t hurt ticket sales or TV revenue, so the whole “fill to get level” effort likely is seen as an unwarranted expense.

    Doesn’t make it right from a fans’ point of view, I know. But it sure makes sense from a business/promoter’s standpoint. Why spend (probably) six figures for something that is proving to be, in actuality, unnecessary.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Aren’t a lot of the older baseball field sloped in the outfield to allow for better drainage. I thought Wrigley sloped downhill from the infield to the outfield wall. Am I wrong about that? Wouldn’t that be a problem for a flat ice surface, too?[/quote]

    Have to ask Teebz, but I’m certain the angle isn’t as pronounced as a football field. I recall standing on the sidelines at one Big Ten stadium and you could see the team on the other sideline only from the waist up. There was a friggin’ HILL running from goal post to goal post. I asked one of the QB’s about it, and he said he had to adjust his throws on squareouts, etc., or the ball would sail over the receiver’s head, because the guy got so much lower as he ran the route.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    So it should be interesting in February when the Badgers host Michigan outdoors at Camp Randall Stadium.

  • Teebz | July 16, 2009 at 12:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”340359″]
    They won’t change the time slot. Would be suicide to give up a daypart they are on the verge of owning. They would be seriously brain dead to go up against the Rose Bowl. The early New Year’s Day Bowls have lost much of their oomph and the NHL’s early start is a perfect way to trump them. Not totally, but in that time slot…and that’s all that matters. Who cares what’s on at 4:30, NHL wants to own noonish on New Year’s Day…and they’re just about there. Why would they be so stupid as to surrender it?

    —Ricko[/quote]

    They can still own the timeslot. Have a double-header of a regular game at noon, and follow-up with the later Winter Classic at 4:00pm (which would be 1pm in the west).

    I fail to see how this is a problem.

  • Jerry | July 16, 2009 at 12:20 pm |

    Also Ford Field hosts the Frozen Four next year, so that should be interesting as well

  • Teebz | July 16, 2009 at 12:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”340362″][quote comment=”340351″]If the games are continually played in the Eastern Time Zone with teams that have no effect on the Western Conference, you’re going to start having leisurely hockey fans in the West start tuning out.[/quote]
    Continually? This year’s game was played in the Central Time Zone between two Western Conference teams.[/quote]

    The broadcast started at noon Central time (or earlier in Canada), which means it started at 10am in Vancouver at the latest. It’s still too far east for leisurely western fans to care.

    The east and central time zones watched, but if you were partying on NYE until 1am/2am on the west coast, would you have been up for 9:30am?

  • Ricko | July 16, 2009 at 12:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”340365″][quote comment=”340359″]
    They won’t change the time slot. Would be suicide to give up a daypart they are on the verge of owning. They would be seriously brain dead to go up against the Rose Bowl. The early New Year’s Day Bowls have lost much of their oomph and the NHL’s early start is a perfect way to trump them. Not totally, but in that time slot…and that’s all that matters. Who cares what’s on at 4:30, NHL wants to own noonish on New Year’s Day…and they’re just about there. Why would they be so stupid as to surrender it?

    —Ricko[/quote]

    They can still own the timeslot. Have a double-header of a regular game at noon, and follow-up with the later Winter Classic at 4:00pm (which would be 1pm in the west).

    I fail to see how this is a problem.[/quote]

    Doubleheader? Never get the number to justify the expense, nor would a network devote that much time to hockey on New Year’s Day. Maybe one of the games CBC or something, but what’s the point, Canada’s already a customer. And again, no way they’d be dumb enough to take on the Rose Bowl head-to-head. They’d lose. Or not win enough.

    Interesting article, including something of a look at TV ratings in non-northeast US markets…
    http://www.populatio...

    —Ricko

  • LarenR | July 16, 2009 at 12:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”340365″][quote comment=”340359″]
    They won’t change the time slot. Would be suicide to give up a daypart they are on the verge of owning. They would be seriously brain dead to go up against the Rose Bowl. The early New Year’s Day Bowls have lost much of their oomph and the NHL’s early start is a perfect way to trump them. Not totally, but in that time slot…and that’s all that matters. Who cares what’s on at 4:30, NHL wants to own noonish on New Year’s Day…and they’re just about there. Why would they be so stupid as to surrender it?

    —Ricko[/quote]

    They can still own the timeslot. Have a double-header of a regular game at noon, and follow-up with the later Winter Classic at 4:00pm (which would be 1pm in the west).

    I fail to see how this is a problem.[/quote]
    I’m exactly the sort of “casual” fan this event is designed to capture. I live in the Bay Area and watch a handful of regular season Sharks games and most of the playoffs (my wife always complains, “why do you need to watch the playoffs, you don’t even like hockey!”). I’ve always wanted to watch the Winter Classic, but noon-ish EST is nine-ish out here and there’s just no way I’m getting up that early on the morning after New Years Eve to watch a hockey game. Moving it later in the day would certainly add at least one West Coast viewer.

  • mmwatkin | July 16, 2009 at 12:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”340365″][quote comment=”340359″]
    They won’t change the time slot. Would be suicide to give up a daypart they are on the verge of owning. They would be seriously brain dead to go up against the Rose Bowl. The early New Year’s Day Bowls have lost much of their oomph and the NHL’s early start is a perfect way to trump them. Not totally, but in that time slot…and that’s all that matters. Who cares what’s on at 4:30, NHL wants to own noonish on New Year’s Day…and they’re just about there. Why would they be so stupid as to surrender it?

    —Ricko[/quote]

    They can still own the timeslot. Have a double-header of a regular game at noon, and follow-up with the later Winter Classic at 4:00pm (which would be 1pm in the west).

    I fail to see how this is a problem.[/quote]

    I am going to have to agree with Ricko on this one. If the WC is getting outdrawn by the likes of the Gator Bowl and the Capital One Bowl…I would hate to see it against the Rose Bowl. And it isn’t like no one cares about the Rose Bowl out west. I like the WC in the 1:00 time slot.

  • Berto | July 16, 2009 at 12:28 pm |

    Re Willie Mays cap from yesterday the Giants flagship station out here had Giants radio voice Duane Kuiper lamenting Willie wearing the BP lid while hanging with Obama on Air Force One.

    Morning Host: “He’s been wearing that spring training lid form a couple years ago. A hat with a suit.”

    DK: “We gotta get him in an SF hat.”

  • Jerry | July 16, 2009 at 12:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”340351″][quote comment=”340347″][quote comment=”340330″][quote comment=”340328″][quote comment=”340318″]
    All about the “draw”.
    2011? If things stay as they are today, it’ll be AO and the Capitals against the Rangers at one of the new NY ballparks, probably Yankee Stadium.
    Not necessarily what I think they should do, but what I think they will do.
    Write it down.[/quote]
    After I started thinking about Teebz’ posting, I was thinking about new old and who might also have an open date for their football team/stadium then. The list seems to be short: NY, Boston, Philly, Pittsburgh, all no. We seem to be in an up cycle for some of the northern NFL teams right now.

    At least for northern cities with a classic NHL franchise AND an outdoor football stadium.[/quote]

    I’m guaranteeing you that the NHL goes west for the next one. Don’t book your flights to the east coast for next season just yet.[/quote]

    Geography irrelevant. It’s all about the best showcasing of the league without repeating a team that’s been in it…in a cold weather city…that will make the best TV event and garner the largest TV audience. NHL would gain much, much more out of AO/Capitals vs. Gaborik/Rangers at Yankee Stadium than any other three-way combo I can come up with that fits the criteria I mentioned.

    This isn’t about reaching people who have already been sold, remember.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Geography is entirely relevant.

    If the games are continually played in the Eastern Time Zone with teams that have no effect on the Western Conference, you’re going to start having leisurely hockey fans in the West start tuning out.

    All you’re doing is dangling carrots with this game every season. Throw the West a carrot once in a while, and then hammer away on the East Coast again.[/quote]

    Wings/Balackhawks last year was a Western Conference matchup, played in the CTZ

  • Squiddie | July 16, 2009 at 12:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”340298″]Here’s a new t-shirt for you. “I’m calling it Sears”[/quote]

    Someone suggested that it’s short for the Wesley Willis Tower.

    Rock over London, Rock on Chicago.

  • Beardface | July 16, 2009 at 12:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”340369″]I’m exactly the sort of “casual” fan this event is designed to capture. I live in the Bay Area and watch a handful of regular season Sharks games and most of the playoffs (my wife always complains, “why do you need to watch the playoffs, you don’t even like hockey!”). I’ve always wanted to watch the Winter Classic, but noon-ish EST is nine-ish out here and there’s just no way I’m getting up that early on the morning after New Years Eve to watch a hockey game. Moving it later in the day would certainly add at least one West Coast viewer.[/quote]
    With the Rose Bowl being played in the afternoon just minutes outside of LA every NYD, I highly doubt the Winter Classic will really make any dent in the West Coast audience regardless of what they do on NYD.

  • Teebz | July 16, 2009 at 12:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”340368″]
    Doubleheader? Never get the number to justify the expense, nor would a network devote that much time to hockey on New Year’s Day. Maybe one of the games CBC or something, but what’s the point, Canada’s already a customer. And again, no way they’d be dumb enough to take on the Rose Bowl head-to-head. They’d lose. Or not win enough.

    Interesting article, including something of a look at TV ratings in non-northeast US markets…
    http://www.populatio...

    —Ricko[/quote]

    It’s that kind of attitude that angers hockey fans in the west. Eff the west because the NHL caters to the east. The east coast bias that the NHL claims it doesn’t have is entirely apparent when they continually schedule these games in the Eastern half of the country.

    All I’m suggesting is to toss the west a bone, and then play the next six in the east. If NBC doesn’t want to show it, it’s their loss in advertising dollars. Let them show the Westminster Dog Show in that time slot.

  • Jerry | July 16, 2009 at 12:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”340318″][quote comment=”340315″][quote comment=”340309″]

    If you’re playing a throwback game, would you put the game in a brand-new stadium?

    The whole idea behind these games is history. They wear old jerseys, they play outdoors, they hype the NHL’s history. Putting the games in old venues like Wrigley, Fenway, and others only makes too much sense.[/quote]

    Well, that Buffalo stadium isn’t exactly OLD, is it?

    Anyway, the point isn’t so much old vs. new but rather baseball stadium vs. football stadium. When they have a choice of new baseball vs. new football, let’s see what happens.

    I don’t know the answer to this question but I’ll throw it out anyway: does War Memorial still exist?[/quote]

    All about the “draw”.
    2011? If things stay as they are today, it’ll be AO and the Capitals against the Rangers at one of the new NY ballparks, probably Yankee Stadium.
    Not necessarily what I think they should do, but what I think they will do.
    Write it down.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Ricko

    When do you think they will put a game at Target Field?? Wild vs. Stars, perhaps??

  • Jerry | July 16, 2009 at 12:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”340325″][quote comment=”340315″][quote comment=”340309″]

    If you’re playing a throwback game, would you put the game in a brand-new stadium?

    The whole idea behind these games is history. They wear old jerseys, they play outdoors, they hype the NHL’s history. Putting the games in old venues like Wrigley, Fenway, and others only makes too much sense.[/quote]

    Well, that Buffalo stadium isn’t exactly OLD, is it?

    Anyway, the point isn’t so much old vs. new but rather baseball stadium vs. football stadium. When they have a choice of new baseball vs. new football, let’s see what happens.

    I don’t know the answer to this question but I’ll throw it out anyway: does War Memorial still exist?[/quote]

    Buffalo was the testing ground, though. The NHL basically admitted that. They wanted to see if it worked, and what didn’t work.

    Artificial football fields didn’t work because of the hill, so they went out and looked for a flatter surface. The reason the ice held up so well in the Heritage Classic in Edmonton was because the temperature was around -30 C, and the nautral grass field had some give to it.

    If you notice, they have yet to play the game on an artificial baseball surface as well.[/quote]

    That’s also because after this year there will only be two artificial surfaces left in baseball (Toronto, St. Pete)

  • Ricko | July 16, 2009 at 12:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”340370″][quote comment=”340365″][quote comment=”340359″]
    They won’t change the time slot. Would be suicide to give up a daypart they are on the verge of owning. They would be seriously brain dead to go up against the Rose Bowl. The early New Year’s Day Bowls have lost much of their oomph and the NHL’s early start is a perfect way to trump them. Not totally, but in that time slot…and that’s all that matters. Who cares what’s on at 4:30, NHL wants to own noonish on New Year’s Day…and they’re just about there. Why would they be so stupid as to surrender it?

    —Ricko[/quote]

    They can still own the timeslot. Have a double-header of a regular game at noon, and follow-up with the later Winter Classic at 4:00pm (which would be 1pm in the west).

    I fail to see how this is a problem.[/quote]

    I am going to have to agree with Ricko on this one. If the WC is getting outdrawn by the likes of the Gator Bowl and the Capital One Bowl…I would hate to see it against the Rose Bowl. And it isn’t like no one cares about the Rose Bowl out west. I like the WC in the 1:00 time slot.[/quote]

    1 pm EST seems to work okay for the NFL..and the NHL’s target audience for the WC isn’t those who are too hung over to watch. This is their mass appeal showcase game in the US. Young adult males aren’t that hard to reach; they’re a slam dunk, comparatively speaking. This is about moms, dads, famillies, grandma and grandpa.

    I’m trying to explain how the execs think. I’m sure some fans in LA thinks it would be “totally awesome” to lay a sheet of ice in Dodger Stadium. But it ain’t gonna happen. Not for a while, anyway. Too artificial, too gimmicky (has NOTHING to do with the pond hockey tradition that even players love; you can see it in their faces)…and lacks the cold, inclement weather possibilities that make for better TV.

    If someone doesn’t think the snow in Buffalo in 2008 had a lot to do with the way that game was received and didn’t help set up the 2009 game, they really don’t understand packaging.

    —Ricko

  • Jerry | July 16, 2009 at 12:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”340333″][quote]I’m guaranteeing you that the NHL goes west for the next one. Don’t book your flights to the east coast for next season just yet.[/quote]

    unless they want to exhaust the last of the original six

    then you’re setting up rangers v. canadiens/leafs, unfortunately…and probably at new meadowlands[/quote]

    Or Stade Olympique, perhaps?? Use Ford Field as a test case next spring.

  • JTH | July 16, 2009 at 12:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”340367″][quote comment=”340362″][quote comment=”340351″]If the games are continually played in the Eastern Time Zone with teams that have no effect on the Western Conference, you’re going to start having leisurely hockey fans in the West start tuning out.[/quote]
    Continually? This year’s game was played in the Central Time Zone between two Western Conference teams.[/quote]

    The broadcast started at noon Central time (or earlier in Canada), which means it started at 10am in Vancouver at the latest. It’s still too far east for leisurely western fans to care.

    The east and central time zones watched, but if you were partying on NYE until 1am/2am on the west coast, would you have been up for 9:30am?[/quote]
    Yeah, well I was just sayin’ that the two teams most certainly had an effect on the Western Conference, seeing as how they played each other in its final playoff series.

    East of the Mississipi? Yes. Eastern Conference/Time Zone? No.

    And my kids would see to it that I was up well before 9:30.

  • Zack K | July 16, 2009 at 12:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”340317″][quote comment=”340290″]On another note about the logo, what’s the deal with the lamppost?[/quote]
    Thanks! I had that question yesterday.

    Any Bah-stun experts here today?[/quote]

    Here’s the link to that photo of Beacon Hill… actually Acorn Street.. http://www.ronsaari....

    Those gaslights are all over Beacon Hill.

  • Ricko | July 16, 2009 at 12:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”340376″][quote comment=”340318″][quote comment=”340315″][quote comment=”340309″]

    If you’re playing a throwback game, would you put the game in a brand-new stadium?

    The whole idea behind these games is history. They wear old jerseys, they play outdoors, they hype the NHL’s history. Putting the games in old venues like Wrigley, Fenway, and others only makes too much sense.[/quote]

    Well, that Buffalo stadium isn’t exactly OLD, is it?

    Anyway, the point isn’t so much old vs. new but rather baseball stadium vs. football stadium. When they have a choice of new baseball vs. new football, let’s see what happens.

    I don’t know the answer to this question but I’ll throw it out anyway: does War Memorial still exist?[/quote]

    All about the “draw”.
    2011? If things stay as they are today, it’ll be AO and the Capitals against the Rangers at one of the new NY ballparks, probably Yankee Stadium.
    Not necessarily what I think they should do, but what I think they will do.
    Write it down.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Ricko

    When do you think they will put a game at Target Field?? Wild vs. Stars, perhaps??[/quote]

    2012, maybe. That’s what I’m thinking now, but hate to envision THAT far out. But it would be pretty logical, assuming 2011 did turn out to be Capitals/Rangers, or some similar matchup.

    —Roclkp

  • Teebz | July 16, 2009 at 12:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”340380″]
    And my kids would see to it that I was up well before 9:30.[/quote]

    Blood-shot eyes, a serious hangover, a gallon of water, two aspirin, and you’d be ready for the WC? LOL

  • LI Phil | July 16, 2009 at 12:45 pm |

    [quote]Have a double-header…I fail to see how this is a problem[/quote]

    that in and of itself is a problem

    it’s hard enough to get people, even those who used to love hockey (like myself)and those who still do but aren’t rabid fans, to watch one game

    seriously, i loved the idea of the game at noon…no way in hell am i watching 6 hours of hockey in NYD…but keeping it right where it is, before the football, is basically perfect

    and as to the “it’s too early” argument? 9:00 (even if you participate in amateur night) is too early? don’t most people have to be to work (granted, not on new years day) by 9:00? aren’t a lot of left-coasters pretty much already used to seeing eastern sporting events earlier anyway?

    nope…one game…12:00 EST…perfect

    any more, and any later, and the dropoff in viewership will be precipitious

    /and while we’re at it…you complain the games for left-coasters are too early … how’s about moving the world series games (and MNF games) up a couple of hours? not gonna happen either, because tv dictates those times, and the noon timeslot (EST) is perfect for tv

    no matter where you play the game, that’s when it’s going to be played

  • slam | July 16, 2009 at 12:47 pm |

    A main reason to host the Winter Classic in a baseball stadium is that there is no chance that the stadium will be in use at that time of year. That gives plenty of time for set-up and tear down. They can play the WC game on Saturday and the local football team can still host their game on Sunday.

  • Ricko | July 16, 2009 at 12:48 pm |

    LOL…that’s what I get for typing “Ricko” while someone was talking to me.

    –Ricko

  • MPowers1634 | July 16, 2009 at 12:48 pm |

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    I have been on fields where the height difference between the central ridge and the sidelines is drastic.

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  • Squiddie | July 16, 2009 at 12:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”340376″]

    When do you think they will put a game at Target Field?? Wild vs. Stars, perhaps??[/quote]

    I swear someone was pushing for an outdoor game right after Edmonton in 2003.

    I think they’ve played an outdoor high school game every year as part of Hockey Day Minnesota.

  • MPowers1634 | July 16, 2009 at 12:52 pm |

    The Winter Classic formula seems to be working.
    Bettman should not meddle with it.
    If it can draw normal, well-adjusted,non-hockey watching people such as myself, then leave it alone.

  • Teebz | July 16, 2009 at 12:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”340384″]
    /and while we’re at it…you complain the games for left-coasters are too early … how’s about moving the world series games (and MNF games) up a couple of hours? not gonna happen either, because tv dictates those times, and the noon timeslot (EST) is perfect for tv

    no matter where you play the game, that’s when it’s going to be played[/quote]

    So when the WS games are starting at 4pm for the east coasters’ 7pm timeslot, you’re telling me that there isn’t an east coast bias, Phil?

    Notice how the west coast games for the NFL always take the middle time slot as the earliest they’ll be shown? Do you think there’s a reason for that? I’m quite certain NFL players aren’t playing the game at 9am on Sunday for the noon timeslot on the east coast.

    Basically, what you’re saying is that Denver, Calgary, and Vancouver will forever be prohibited from hosting a Winter Classic because you, the viewer, live in NYC.

    Essentially, it’s “too effing bad for them for living where they do, and eff those teams who want to earn the windfall of that immediate cash infusion”. And you wonder why teams in the west bitch and complain about east coast biases?

  • Chris O | July 16, 2009 at 12:53 pm |

    The Bruins Color History is below.

    “Charles Adams was the first owner of the Bruins. He hired Art Ross to run the club. Adams directed Ross to come up with a nickname that would portray an untamed animal displaying speed, agility, and cunning. Ross came up with “Bruins”, (Although I have heard his secretary came up with the name.)an Old English word used for brown bears in classic folk-tales. The team’s bearlike nickname also went along with the team’s original uniform colors of brown and yellow, which came from Adams’ grocery chain, First National Stores.”

  • Wes | July 16, 2009 at 12:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”340301″]so..yeah

    was in DD getting joe this morning and i saw a dude wearing a sherwin williams t-shirt which was a takeoff on the mlb logo…didn’t get a cell grab (and im not too sure the fella would have appreciated it in a ‘uw sort of way’)…but was pretty cool … they replaced the batter with a dude holding a paintbrush

    did a quick google search and din’t find any examples…but it struck me — did we cover that one before on here?

    how many other examples are there out there of “takeoffs” on jerry dior’s graphic? there’s gotta be some, right?[/quote]

    This reminded me of a shirt I saw over the weekend. The Hold Steady are originally from Mpls and their lead singer is a big Twins fan. They played a concert in Mpls on Saturday and a fan was wearing this shirt. Not an MLB logo takeoff, but a takeoff of a (classic) MLB team logo. I’m not a huge HS fan, but I thought it was pretty damn cool…

    http://www.bluecolla...

  • LI Phil | July 16, 2009 at 12:58 pm |

    [quote]Basically, what you’re saying is that Denver, Calgary, and Vancouver will forever be prohibited from hosting a Winter Classic because you, the viewer, live in NYC.

    Essentially, it’s “too effing bad for them for living where they do, and eff those teams who want to earn the windfall of that immediate cash infusion”. And you wonder why teams in the west bitch and complain about east coast biases? [/quote]

    no, i’m NOT saying they can’t have a game…i would HOPE they do get a game

    it will just be played at 12:00 EST, that’s all

    surely, you could find 60K hockey fans who are willing to be up and in their seats by 9:00 am (WST)

    it’s all about the tv, not the actual fans in those cities teebz, you know that

    has nothing to do with east coast bias, but tv time bias

  • Teebz | July 16, 2009 at 12:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”340393″][quote]Basically, what you’re saying is that Denver, Calgary, and Vancouver will forever be prohibited from hosting a Winter Classic because you, the viewer, live in NYC.

    Essentially, it’s “too effing bad for them for living where they do, and eff those teams who want to earn the windfall of that immediate cash infusion”. And you wonder why teams in the west bitch and complain about east coast biases? [/quote]

    no, i’m saying they can’t have a game…i would HOPE they do get a game

    it will just be played at 12:00 EST, that’s all

    surely, you could find 60K hockey fans who are willing to be up and in their seats by 9:00 am (WST)

    it’s all about the tv, not the actual fans in those cities teebz, you know that

    has nothing to do with east coast bias, but tv time bias[/quote]

    Hate to tell you this, but TV is east coast biased. That’s why they are broadcast in ET and replayed in PT. Live events are ALWAYS given an ET billing because, surprisingly, all the networks are based there.

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  • Timothy Omalley | July 16, 2009 at 1:00 pm |

    http://www.itsthesea...

    can we get a ” I’m calling it the Sears Tower” shirt

  • mmwatkin | July 16, 2009 at 1:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”340394″][quote comment=”340393″][quote]Basically, what you’re saying is that Denver, Calgary, and Vancouver will forever be prohibited from hosting a Winter Classic because you, the viewer, live in NYC.

    Essentially, it’s “too effing bad for them for living where they do, and eff those teams who want to earn the windfall of that immediate cash infusion”. And you wonder why teams in the west bitch and complain about east coast biases? [/quote]

    no, i’m saying they can’t have a game…i would HOPE they do get a game

    it will just be played at 12:00 EST, that’s all

    surely, you could find 60K hockey fans who are willing to be up and in their seats by 9:00 am (WST)

    it’s all about the tv, not the actual fans in those cities teebz, you know that

    has nothing to do with east coast bias, but tv time bias[/quote]

    Hate to tell you this, but TV is east coast biased. That’s why they are broadcast in ET and replayed in PT. Live events are ALWAYS given an ET billing because, surprisingly, all the networks are based there.[/quote]

    So would you prefer the NHL to have a game out west, move the time to 4:00? If you do this I can almost guarantee NBC will drop out and the game will end up being on Versus.

    Not too good for the sport, IMO.

  • Wes | July 16, 2009 at 1:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”340388″][quote comment=”340376″]

    When do you think they will put a game at Target Field?? Wild vs. Stars, perhaps??[/quote]

    I swear someone was pushing for an outdoor game right after Edmonton in 2003.

    I think they’ve played an outdoor high school game every year as part of Hockey Day Minnesota.[/quote]

    A friend of mine works on for the U of MN athletic department. He told me there has been talk of trying to expand Hockey Day to more of a hockey weekend. The idea would be to set up ice at the new TCF Bank Stadium and play all weekend. Maybe some high school games on Friday and Saturday. Gophers women’s and men’s games on Saturday, Wild game on Sunday. I don’t think it has gotten past the idea stage, and I’m not sure it ever will (the logistics of scheduling, financial terms, etc, etc would make it a huge undertaking), but it’s a cool concept. If you’re going to go to the trouble of building temporary ice, might as well get as much use out of it as possible.

  • Teebz | July 16, 2009 at 1:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”340394″]
    Hate to tell you this, but TV is east coast biased. That’s why they are broadcast in ET and replayed in PT. Live events are ALWAYS given an ET billing because, surprisingly, all the networks are based there.[/quote]

    I should qualify that. Live, nationally-broadcast events are ALWAYS given an ET time.

    Don’t forget that this event is about the CASUAL fan. It was designed to attract the leisurely fans to the game. I’m guaranteeing you that the 60,000 that show up at 9am are die-hards and not the people the NHL are trying to reach.

  • Ricko | July 16, 2009 at 1:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”340390″][quote comment=”340384″]
    /and while we’re at it…you complain the games for left-coasters are too early … how’s about moving the world series games (and MNF games) up a couple of hours? not gonna happen either, because tv dictates those times, and the noon timeslot (EST) is perfect for tv

    no matter where you play the game, that’s when it’s going to be played[/quote]

    So when the WS games are starting at 4pm for the east coasters’ 7pm timeslot, you’re telling me that there isn’t an east coast bias, Phil?

    Notice how the west coast games for the NFL always take the middle time slot as the earliest they’ll be shown? Do you think there’s a reason for that? I’m quite certain NFL players aren’t playing the game at 9am on Sunday for the noon timeslot on the east coast.

    Basically, what you’re saying is that Denver, Calgary, and Vancouver will forever be prohibited from hosting a Winter Classic because you, the viewer, live in NYC.

    Essentially, it’s “too effing bad for them for living where they do, and eff those teams who want to earn the windfall of that immediate cash infusion”. And you wonder why teams in the west bitch and complain about east coast biases?[/quote]

    Teebz, you’re thinking like a fan, and that’s not wrong.
    But we need to remember that the WC exists because there was an incredible soft spot in the New Year’s Day broadcast schedule. The NHL and NBC have created something that draws far better than virtually any other NHL telecast and blows away anything else NBC can imagine putting in that time slot.

    Now, by those criteria, it is a resounding—though still young and brittle— success. If ever the phrase “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” applied to something, it’s the WC. Outside that particular, quirky time slot the WC loses pretty much all its clout…and much of it audience…an audience that’s just sitting there early on New Year’s Day looking for something different and entertaining on TV that most everyone in the house might find enjoyable…for one reason or another.

    Anywhere but that time slot, the WC might not even exist. All we know for sure is that right there, on that day, it works.

    —Ricko

  • Teebz | July 16, 2009 at 1:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”340397″]
    So would you prefer the NHL to have a game out west, move the time to 4:00? If you do this I can almost guarantee NBC will drop out and the game will end up being on Versus.

    Not too good for the sport, IMO.[/quote]

    So you’d prefer only to have the east coast leisurely fan attracted. Forget national growth altogether for a national league? Wow. Great business plan.

    Your time zone should not dictate how the game is marketed. Right now, it does. If that’s the case, move the Winter Classic to the Central Time Zone permanently. That way, everyone is happy.

  • Teebz | July 16, 2009 at 1:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”340400″]
    Teebz, you’re thinking like a fan, and that’s not wrong.[/quote]

    You mean, I’m thinking like the people this game is for? I’m thinking about the demographic that the NHL is trying to earn?

    [quote comment=”340400″]But we need to remember that the WC exists because there was an incredible soft spot in the New Year’s Day broadcast schedule. The NHL and NBC have created something that draws far better than virtually any other NHL telecast and blows away anything else NBC can imagine putting in that time slot.

    Now, by those criteria, it is a resounding—though still young and brittle— success. If ever the phrase “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” applied to something, it’s the WC. Outside that particular, quirky time slot the WC loses pretty much all its clout…and much of it audience…an audience that’s just sitting there early on New Year’s Day looking for something different and entertaining on TV that most everyone in the house might find enjoyable…for one reason or another.

    Anywhere but that time slot, the WC might not even exist. All we know for sure is that right there, on that day, it works.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I’m not saying they have to change the strategy. I’m simply suggesting that they throw the west coast fans a bone. Otherwise, the business model sucks. If I was an owner of a Western Conference team, I’d would be adamant that any future games include a Western Conference team that is situated in a city west of St. Louis for every game going forward – no exceptions.

  • aflfan | July 16, 2009 at 1:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”340400″][quote comment=”340390″][quote comment=”340384″]
    /and while we’re at it…you complain the games for left-coasters are too early … how’s about moving the world series games (and MNF games) up a couple of hours? not gonna happen either, because tv dictates those times, and the noon timeslot (EST) is perfect for tv

    no matter where you play the game, that’s when it’s going to be played[/quote]

    So when the WS games are starting at 4pm for the east coasters’ 7pm timeslot, you’re telling me that there isn’t an east coast bias, Phil?

    Notice how the west coast games for the NFL always take the middle time slot as the earliest they’ll be shown? Do you think there’s a reason for that? I’m quite certain NFL players aren’t playing the game at 9am on Sunday for the noon timeslot on the east coast.

    Basically, what you’re saying is that Denver, Calgary, and Vancouver will forever be prohibited from hosting a Winter Classic because you, the viewer, live in NYC.

    Essentially, it’s “too effing bad for them for living where they do, and eff those teams who want to earn the windfall of that immediate cash infusion”. And you wonder why teams in the west bitch and complain about east coast biases?[/quote]

    Teebz, you’re thinking like a fan, and that’s not wrong.
    But we need to remember that the WC exists because there was an incredible soft spot in the New Year’s Day broadcast schedule. The NHL and NBC have created something that draws far better than virtually any other NHL telecast and blows away anything else NBC can imagine putting in that time slot.

    Now, by those criteria, it is a resounding—though still young and brittle— success. If ever the phrase “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” applied to something, it’s the WC. Outside that particular, quirky time slot the WC loses pretty much all its clout…and much of it audience…an audience that’s just sitting there early on New Year’s Day looking for something different and entertaining on TV that most everyone in the house might find enjoyable…for one reason or another.

    Anywhere but that time slot, the WC might not even exist. All we know for sure is that right there, on that day, it works.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I am a big hockey fan but the only way I am watching the WC if it is up against the Rose Bowl is if Detroit is in it.

  • anotherguy | July 16, 2009 at 1:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”340394″]Hate to tell you this, but TV is east coast biased. That’s why they are broadcast in ET and replayed in PT. Live events are ALWAYS given an ET billing because, surprisingly, all the networks are based there.[/quote]

    Growing up you would hear things like “Nine, eight Central time”. No longer. When was the last time Jay or Dave ever said that they were on at anything BUT 11:30?

    What really teed me off was when ESPN started a college network. All sorts of opportunities to get out to somewhere else for balance in their coverage, and they went to North Carolina.

  • Scott Davis | July 16, 2009 at 1:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”340301″]so..yeah

    was in DD getting joe this morning and i saw a dude wearing a sherwin williams t-shirt which was a takeoff on the mlb logo…didn’t get a cell grab (and im not too sure the fella would have appreciated it in a ‘uw sort of way’)…but was pretty cool … they replaced the batter with a dude holding a paintbrush

    did a quick google search and din’t find any examples…but it struck me — did we cover that one before on here?

    how many other examples are there out there of “takeoffs” on jerry dior’s graphic? there’s gotta be some, right?[/quote]

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  • LI Phil | July 16, 2009 at 1:15 pm |

    [quote] this event is about the CASUAL fan. It was designed to attract the leisurely fans to the game. I’m guaranteeing you that the 60,000 that show up at 9am are die-hards and not the people the NHL are trying to reach.[/quote]

    exactly…do you think the tv execs or bettman give a shit about the 60K?

    no…they care about the millions (they hope) will be watching…those are the “casual” fans the game is aimed at

    that’s why you can HAVE the game out west, but it will be played at NOON EST

    i dragged my ass out of bed early (for me) to watch the open at 7 am this morning, and i will do so tomorrow (which is a vacation day for me) because i’m a golf fan…i fail to see why this event (which should attract even casual fans) is such a “chore” for left coasters to do at 9 AM (even on NYD)…seriously, is it THAT big a deal to be up (not showered, shaved and dressed, but merely awake) at 9:00 am on NYD?

  • anotherguy | July 16, 2009 at 1:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”340402″]I’m not saying they have to change the strategy. I’m simply suggesting that they throw the west coast fans a bone. Otherwise, the business model sucks. If I was an owner of a Western Conference team, I’d would be adamant that any future games include a Western Conference team that is situated in a city west of St. Louis for every game going forward – no exceptions.[/quote]
    Teebz, would you like to see a WC game in Phoenix?

    (I mean, it even sounds silly: “Winter” and “Phoenix”.)

  • Teebz | July 16, 2009 at 1:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”340406″][quote] this event is about the CASUAL fan. It was designed to attract the leisurely fans to the game. I’m guaranteeing you that the 60,000 that show up at 9am are die-hards and not the people the NHL are trying to reach.[/quote]

    exactly…do you think the tv execs or bettman give a shit about the 60K?

    no…they care about the millions (they hope) will be watching…those are the “casual” fans the game is aimed at

    that’s why you can HAVE the game out west, but it will be played at NOON EST

    i dragged my ass out of bed early (for me) to watch the open at 7 am this morning, and i will do so tomorrow (which is a vacation day for me) because i’m a golf fan…i fail to see why this event (which should attract even casual fans) is such a “chore” for left coasters to do at 9 AM (even on NYD)…seriously, is it THAT big a deal to be up (not showered, shaved and dressed, but merely awake) at 9:00 am on NYD?[/quote]

    You entirely contradicted yourself.

    You dragged your ass out of bed to watch the Open because you’re a die-hard fan. Your time zone is forced to adapt if they want to watch the live event being played at normal hours in Britian.

    What you’re suggesting is that the West Coasters change THEIR scheduling for your time zone. That’s entirely the point of my diatribe against the east coast bias.

    Would you prefer if the British Open was played in the dark so you can watch it in primetime?

  • Ricko | July 16, 2009 at 1:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”340402″][quote comment=”340400″]
    Teebz, you’re thinking like a fan, and that’s not wrong.[/quote]

    You mean, I’m thinking like the people this game is for? I’m thinking about the demographic that the NHL is trying to earn?

    [quote comment=”340400″]But we need to remember that the WC exists because there was an incredible soft spot in the New Year’s Day broadcast schedule. The NHL and NBC have created something that draws far better than virtually any other NHL telecast and blows away anything else NBC can imagine putting in that time slot.

    Now, by those criteria, it is a resounding—though still young and brittle— success. If ever the phrase “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” applied to something, it’s the WC. Outside that particular, quirky time slot the WC loses pretty much all its clout…and much of it audience…an audience that’s just sitting there early on New Year’s Day looking for something different and entertaining on TV that most everyone in the house might find enjoyable…for one reason or another.

    Anywhere but that time slot, the WC might not even exist. All we know for sure is that right there, on that day, it works.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I’m not saying they have to change the strategy. I’m simply suggesting that they throw the west coast fans a bone. Otherwise, the business model sucks. If I was an owner of a Western Conference team, I’d would be adamant that any future games include a Western Conference team that is situated in a city west of St. Louis for every game going forward – no exceptions.[/quote]

    Again, the WC isn’t for the fans they already have. This is a recruiting game, an advertising/marketing vehicle

    And, shoot, I think St. Louis and Denver are totally viable candidates (assuming only U.S. venues remain what they want)…I’m just saying the WC will stay in that time slot. NHL wants to owe noonish on New Year’s Day, and that should be their end game goal, to be come a tradition. That was my point. That, and they should hope it snows a little every year. LOL

    —Ricko

  • Teebz | July 16, 2009 at 1:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”340407″][quote comment=”340402″]I’m not saying they have to change the strategy. I’m simply suggesting that they throw the west coast fans a bone. Otherwise, the business model sucks. If I was an owner of a Western Conference team, I’d would be adamant that any future games include a Western Conference team that is situated in a city west of St. Louis for every game going forward – no exceptions.[/quote]
    Teebz, would you like to see a WC game in Phoenix?

    (I mean, it even sounds silly: “Winter” and “Phoenix”.)[/quote]

    No, but if you aren’t going to drop the east coast bias, then bring the Western teams to you.

    Problem solved, rivalries be damned.

  • Ben | July 16, 2009 at 1:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”340379″][quote comment=”340333″][quote]I’m guaranteeing you that the NHL goes west for the next one. Don’t book your flights to the east coast for next season just yet.[/quote]

    unless they want to exhaust the last of the original six

    then you’re setting up rangers v. canadiens/leafs, unfortunately…and probably at new meadowlands[/quote]

    Or Stade Olympique, perhaps?? Use Ford Field as a test case next spring.[/quote]

    There are a ton of rumours up here (in Canada) that the Canadians were/are pushing hard for a game at the big O on December 4th. That is their official 100th birthday.
    We’ll see what happens.

  • Teebz | July 16, 2009 at 1:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”340409″]
    And, shoot, I think St. Louis and Denver are totally viable candidates (assuming only U.S. venues remain what they want)…I’m just saying the WC will stay in that time slot. NHL wants to owe noonish on New Year’s Day, and that should be their end game goal, to be come a tradition. That was my point. That, and they should hope it snows a little every year. LOL

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I get the noon timeslot. I’m not saying that part of it doesn’t work.

    I’m saying that I’d be pissed if I owned a team west of the St. Louis Arch because the NHL is catering to a densely-populated area despite them having a national business model.

    So bring the Western Conference teams east for the game, and forget nurturing the natural rivalries. Otherwise, the national business model is failing teams like LA, Anaheim, San Jose, Phoenix, etc, etc.

  • aflfan | July 16, 2009 at 1:25 pm |

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  • Beardface | July 16, 2009 at 1:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”340402″][quote comment=”340400″]
    Teebz, you’re thinking like a fan, and that’s not wrong.[/quote]

    You mean, I’m thinking like the people this game is for? I’m thinking about the demographic that the NHL is trying to earn?

    [quote comment=”340400″]But we need to remember that the WC exists because there was an incredible soft spot in the New Year’s Day broadcast schedule. The NHL and NBC have created something that draws far better than virtually any other NHL telecast and blows away anything else NBC can imagine putting in that time slot.

    Now, by those criteria, it is a resounding—though still young and brittle— success. If ever the phrase “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” applied to something, it’s the WC. Outside that particular, quirky time slot the WC loses pretty much all its clout…and much of it audience…an audience that’s just sitting there early on New Year’s Day looking for something different and entertaining on TV that most everyone in the house might find enjoyable…for one reason or another.

    Anywhere but that time slot, the WC might not even exist. All we know for sure is that right there, on that day, it works.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I’m not saying they have to change the strategy. I’m simply suggesting that they throw the west coast fans a bone. Otherwise, the business model sucks. If I was an owner of a Western Conference team, I’d would be adamant that any future games include a Western Conference team that is situated in a city west of St. Louis for every game going forward – no exceptions.[/quote]
    Teebz…

    The NHL simply can’t delay the playing of the game to 4pm to accommodate the West Coast fans if they plan to play the game on New Years Day. They cannot go back-to-back with the Rose Bowl. If they try, they’re going to shoot themselves in the foot, especially if they try to pull the game off on the West Coast in the heart of the Pac-10. They will not win that battle, and they know that. Play it at 4, and you’ll have the stadium half empty before the 3rd period starts so people can get home and prepare their Rose Bowl parties, or worse yet, they might not even show at all, especially if the home town team makes the Rose Bowl.

  • Teebz | July 16, 2009 at 1:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”340414″]
    Teebz…

    The NHL simply can’t delay the playing of the game to 4pm to accommodate the West Coast fans if they plan to play the game on New Years Day. They cannot go back-to-back with the Rose Bowl. If they try, they’re going to shoot themselves in the foot, especially if they try to pull the game off on the West Coast in the heart of the Pac-10. They will not win that battle, and they know that. Play it at 4, and you’ll have the stadium half empty before the 3rd period starts so people can get home and prepare their Rose Bowl parties, or worse yet, they might not even show at all, especially if the home town team makes the Rose Bowl.[/quote]

    Again, I get this. See above for additional solutions.

  • LI Phil | July 16, 2009 at 1:36 pm |

    [quote]You entirely contradicted yourself.

    You dragged your ass out of bed to watch the Open because you’re a die-hard fan.[/quote]

    no…i dragged my ass out of bed because im a sports fan and it’s a major event…i do happen to like golf, but if it’s a world cup match and that’s on at 6:00 am (or when MLB played in japan and the games started at 5:00 am)…i woke up for those too[/quote]

    [quote]Your time zone is forced to adapt if they want to watch the live event being played at normal hours in Britian.[/quote]

    that is correct — im sure the tv ratings for the open on tnt aren’t what drives the event…but that’s apples and oranges…we’re talking WHY THE GAME (WINTER CLASSIC) MUST KEEP IT’S CURRENT TIME SLOT…

    [quote]What you’re suggesting is that the West Coasters change THEIR scheduling for your time zone. That’s entirely the point of my diatribe against the east coast bias.[/quote]

    call it what you want…but the way games are set up on new years day (what with the huge football games beginning at 4:00 EST), what we’re ALL ARGUING is that the classic is best suited to a NOON time slot

    is that ECB? maybe…deal with it, because that’s what’s driving this particular game in this particular slot — you’re not going to get the rose bowl moved to 7:00, and if you want to attract the “casual fan”, you’re not going to do it when you put the game up against the granddaddy

    [quote]Would you prefer if the British Open was played in the dark so you can watch it in primetime?[/quote]

    now you’re just being silly

    i adapt to the game, i don’t ask the game to adapt to me…plus, you can play hockey at night (they have lights), but you can’t play golf in the dark *(unless we’re talking about that ‘battle at big horn’ or whatever it’s called where they truck in spot lights for the final few holes)

    i don’t think its being unreasonable to ask fans to be awake at 9:00 am … i really don’t…an later for about 80% of the country (maybe not canada, but in the us)

    im ALL FOR a west coast game, i’m all for west coast teams (or western division teams) to play in it

    what im saying, for the 200th time, is that the way new year’s day television is set up, the ONLY good time to PLAY the game is at noon, est

  • Teebz | July 16, 2009 at 1:38 pm |

    In getting away from my rant…

    If you’re a female high school athlete, apparently the NCAA favors you going to school over your male counterparts. At least according to the CSC, they do. LOL

  • joe | July 16, 2009 at 1:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”340262″][quote comment=”340261″]The Winter Classic seems like the perfect opportunity for the B’s to break out the 1926-31 style, but they will probably end up going with 1969-74 style whilst the Flyers wear their current thirds. On another note, baseball stadia are terrible venues for hockey, the NHL would have done the fans attending a service if they held the game at Harvard Stadium instead of Fenway, because it would not only provide decent viewpoints because of its design, but also because were they needed, temporary bleachers could be erected in the open end of the bowl.[/quote]

    I think Teebz explained that because football fields are crowned there’s a major engineering issue with leveling the area where the ice will be to get a flat sheet. I believe it was after the Penguins-Sabres game in Buffalo that the NHL realized football stadia were virtually untenable. Time is money, and the record is showing that playing in ballparks doesn’t hurt ticket sales or TV revenue, so the whole “fill to get level” effort likely is seen as an unwarranted expense.

    Doesn’t make it right from a fans’ point of view, I know. But it sure makes sense from a business/promoter’s standpoint. Why spend (probably) six figures for something that is proving to be, in actuality, unnecessary.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    not all football fields are crowned, as they have moved to the new turf, or have redone the natural surface w/ better drainage thye have removed a lot of the crowns. Wrigley had been crowned until last year, when they redid it. NIU’s football field was also frowned until they went to the fieldturf, the old astroturf was crowned but not the new stuff.

  • Teebz | July 16, 2009 at 1:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”340416″]
    what im saying, for the 200th time, is that the way new year’s day television is set up, the ONLY good time to PLAY the game is at noon, est[/quote]

    What I’m saying is that the noon time slot works. I’m not disagreeing with that. I am proving that 9am is not attracting leisurely west coast fans to the game unless they have a vested interest.

    Featuring Boston vs. Philly at 9am on LA’s NBC stations means that the Los Angeles Kings see nothing in terms of a benefit for their team.

  • Johnny O | July 16, 2009 at 1:42 pm |

    John Daly is at it again. Here is a picture from today’s Open Championship:

    http://d.yimg.com/a/...

    Here is another one. Check out his cool blue (or green? or teal?) grips as well:

    http://d.yimg.com/a/...

    Hand here is a pic from earlier in the week. Note his partner’s attire:

    http://sports.yahoo....
    —————————

    And just to make sure Daly wouldn’t upstage him… here is what Ian Poulter is wearing:

    http://d.yimg.com/a/...

    http://d.yimg.com/a/...
    (that logo on his right pant leg is Ian’s own logo)
    http://www.ianpoulte...

    Just one more:
    http://d.yimg.com/a/...

    One more of Big John’s pants:
    http://d.yimg.com/a/...

  • Teebz | July 16, 2009 at 1:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”340419″][quote comment=”340416″]
    what im saying, for the 200th time, is that the way new year’s day television is set up, the ONLY good time to PLAY the game is at noon, est[/quote]

    What I’m saying is that the noon time slot works. I’m not disagreeing with that. I am proving that 9am is not attracting leisurely west coast fans to the game unless they have a vested interest.

    Featuring Boston vs. Philly at 9am on LA’s NBC stations means that the Los Angeles Kings see nothing in terms of a benefit for their team…[/quote]

    … unless you have Kings-Bruins tickets on Saturday, January 16, 2010. The NE Division teams swing through the Pacific Division this season.

  • joe | July 16, 2009 at 1:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”340276″][quote comment=”340273″]
    Aren’t a lot of the older baseball field sloped in the outfield to allow for better drainage. I thought Wrigley sloped downhill from the infield to the outfield wall. Am I wrong about that? Wouldn’t that be a problem for a flat ice surface, too?[/quote]

    That’s why the ice surface was built on the infield at Wrigley. Most MLB infields are built flat for truer bounces. I would expect that the ice at Fenway would be similar.[/quote]

    wrigley had a HUGE infield crown until they redid it 2 winters ago. players literally complained about almost falling going around 3rd base at full speed the drop was so bad.

  • JTH | July 16, 2009 at 1:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”340417″]In getting away from my rant…

    If you’re a female high school athlete, apparently the NCAA favors you going to school over your male counterparts. At least according to the CSC, they do. LOL[/quote]
    Thanks a lot, Teebz. If I get fired, it’s because of you and this filth, you filthy filthmongering filthmonger.

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  • Ricko | July 16, 2009 at 1:46 pm |

    Gotta go with teams that get the biggest TV numbers.
    The success of this year gets them another WC next year. And so on.

    When they think the event can handle the Sharks against the Blues in St. Louis at new Busch, they’ll do it….but not if they think the numbers will go soft. They can’t afford a ratings dip just to placate a particular team or group of teams or, frankly, the fans of those teams.

    That’s just the fact of it. Isn’t like an All-Star Game where they can set up the rotation in advance. It’s isn’t that big yet. Not even close. It’s substantial and getting bigger but, as I said, it’s still brittle.

    —Ricko

  • Teebz | July 16, 2009 at 1:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”340423″][quote comment=”340417″]In getting away from my rant…

    If you’re a female high school athlete, apparently the NCAA favors you going to school over your male counterparts. At least according to the CSC, they do. LOL[/quote]
    Thanks a lot, Teebz. If I get fired, it’s because of you and this filth, you filthy filthmongering filthmonger.

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    [/quote]

    HUH? It’s a link directly to the CSC’s site with their report.

    http://www.collegesp...

  • joe | July 16, 2009 at 1:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”340282″]I think I amy be missing something. Water seeks it’s own level, so theoretically the bed can be sloped, potholed, furrowed, whatever. so wouldn’t logic dictate that the ice is going to freeze level also? maybe i don’t get how the ice is created.[/quote]

    yes it will be lever but it will also be at varying thicknesses which will cause havoc with keeping the ice temp a consistent 27 or so at teh surface.

  • Ricko | July 16, 2009 at 1:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”340419″][quote comment=”340416″]
    what im saying, for the 200th time, is that the way new year’s day television is set up, the ONLY good time to PLAY the game is at noon, est[/quote]

    What I’m saying is that the noon time slot works. I’m not disagreeing with that. I am proving that 9am is not attracting leisurely west coast fans to the game unless they have a vested interest.

    Featuring Boston vs. Philly at 9am on LA’s NBC stations means that the Los Angeles Kings see nothing in terms of a benefit for their team.[/quote]

    That’s a little like saying the Super Bowl telecast doesn’t benefit the Bengals.

  • DJ | July 16, 2009 at 1:50 pm |

    If you’re going to go to the trouble of building temporary ice, might as well get as much use out of it as possible.

    I believe that’s exactly what they’re going to do at Fenway, with Boston College playing Boston University there a few days after the Bruins and Flyers game.

  • Stuby | July 16, 2009 at 1:52 pm |

    Sadly, the marketing dude who brought us the Crazy Crab, the Croix de Candlestick and Humm Baby is leaving the Giants.

    http://www.sfgate.co...

  • leon | July 16, 2009 at 1:52 pm |

    As a member of the East Coast Elite I’d like to register my displeasure with all the sporting events that take place in the Mountain and Pacific time zones that I can’t stay up late enough to watch. It’s been a few years since I’ve witnessed an entire World Series game as well.

  • timmy b | July 16, 2009 at 1:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”340325″]If you notice, they have yet to play the game on an artificial baseball surface as well.[/quote]

    (Forgive me if this has been already addressed)

    Does Tropicana Field qualify?? (AKA the Thunderdome?) when the Lightning played there for several seasons??

  • Berto | July 16, 2009 at 1:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”340425″][quote comment=”340423″][quote comment=”340417″]In getting away from my rant…

    If you’re a female high school athlete, apparently the NCAA favors you going to school over your male counterparts. At least according to the CSC, they do. LOL[/quote]
    Thanks a lot, Teebz. If I get fired, it’s because of you and this filth, you filthy filthmongering filthmonger.

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    [/quote]

    HUH? It’s a link directly to the CSC’s site with their report.

    http://www.collegesp...

    Worked for me. But for some reason I’m blocked from MLB sites it seems by MLB so go figure.

  • Paul Lukas | July 16, 2009 at 1:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”340424″]Gotta go with teams that get the biggest TV numbers.[/quote]

    Did someone say “biggest TV numbers”?
    http://i.cnn.net/si/...

  • LI Phil | July 16, 2009 at 1:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”340423″]The URL is listed under categories (Pornography), which are not allowed by your administrator at this time[/quote]

    at this time?

    so there’s hope for the future, eh?

  • Teebz | July 16, 2009 at 1:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”340427″][quote comment=”340419″][quote comment=”340416″]
    what im saying, for the 200th time, is that the way new year’s day television is set up, the ONLY good time to PLAY the game is at noon, est[/quote]

    What I’m saying is that the noon time slot works. I’m not disagreeing with that. I am proving that 9am is not attracting leisurely west coast fans to the game unless they have a vested interest.

    Featuring Boston vs. Philly at 9am on LA’s NBC stations means that the Los Angeles Kings see nothing in terms of a benefit for their team.[/quote]

    That’s a little like saying the Super Bowl telecast doesn’t benefit the Bengals.[/quote]

    Nothing ever benefits the Bungles. LOL

  • Teebz | July 16, 2009 at 1:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”340434″][quote comment=”340423″]The URL is listed under categories (Pornography), which are not allowed by your administrator at this time[/quote]

    at this time?

    so there’s hope for the future, eh?[/quote]

    JTH is holding on to his Great White Hype. LOL

    (couldn’t resist the double entendre, JTH!)

  • LarryB | July 16, 2009 at 2:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”340265″]Hey, Larry B, let us know when you post screengrabs of the PCL from either “When It Was A Game” or “Baseball’s Golden Age”, okay?

    Also, anyone know where to find photos of 1946 and/or ’47 Toledo MudHens unis, home and road?

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Ricko, There are some mixed in the albums. WIWAG2 has some from this pic on

    http://lh6.ggpht.com...

    and Goldenage album in this area. Just go forward and back

    http://lh5.ggpht.com...

  • LarryB | July 16, 2009 at 2:02 pm |

    http://lh5.ggpht.com...

    I remember before Paul was one of the very few who liked this Cubs uni. But I was one the ones that also liked it.

    As a kid I loved the old Pirates and Reds look of the early 1960’s

  • Ricko | July 16, 2009 at 2:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”340437″][quote comment=”340265″]Hey, Larry B, let us know when you post screengrabs of the PCL from either “When It Was A Game” or “Baseball’s Golden Age”, okay?

    Also, anyone know where to find photos of 1946 and/or ’47 Toledo MudHens unis, home and road?

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Ricko, There are some mixed in the albums. WIWAG2 has some from this pic on

    http://lh6.ggpht.com...

    and Goldenage album in this area. Just go forward and back

    http://lh5.ggpht.com...

    thanks

  • JTH | July 16, 2009 at 2:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”340392″]
    This reminded me of a shirt I saw over the weekend. The Hold Steady are originally from Mpls and their lead singer is a big Twins fan. They played a concert in Mpls on Saturday and a fan was wearing this shirt. Not an MLB logo takeoff, but a takeoff of a (classic) MLB team logo. I’m not a huge HS fan, but I thought it was pretty damn cool…

    http://www.bluecolla...
    He was drunk and exhausted but he was critically acclaimed and respected.
    He loved the golden gophers but he hated all the drawn-out winters.

    I think I need that shirt.

    These Twin City kisses, they sound like clicks and hisses

  • Ricko | July 16, 2009 at 2:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”340433″][quote comment=”340424″]Gotta go with teams that get the biggest TV numbers.[/quote]

    Did someone say “biggest TV numbers”?
    http://i.cnn.net/si/...

    Or these, among the first NFL TV numbers….
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1240|293%3A1|294%3A50

    —Ricko

  • anotherguy | July 16, 2009 at 2:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”340423″]
    Thanks a lot, Teebz. If I get fired, it’s because of you and this filth, you filthy filthmongering filthmonger.

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    What’s going on here? I keep getting some report about the NCAA and scholarships.

    Can someone provide a link to the interesting website??

    :-)

  • anotherguy | July 16, 2009 at 2:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”340423″]
    Thanks a lot, Teebz. If I get fired, it’s because of you and this filth, you filthy filthmongering filthmonger.

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    [/quote]
    Okay, I tried to make a funny and the tags got all messed up.

    I was overexcited I guess.

  • Teebz | July 16, 2009 at 2:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”340442″][quote comment=”340423″]
    Thanks a lot, Teebz. If I get fired, it’s because of you and this filth, you filthy filthmongering filthmonger.

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    What’s going on here? I keep getting some report about the NCAA and scholarships.

    Can someone provide a link to the interesting website??

    :-)[/quote]

    I need to find where it’s hidden within the domain name. If I find it, I’ll post it here. LOL

  • anotherguy | July 16, 2009 at 2:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”340410″]No, but if you aren’t going to drop the east coast bias, then bring the Western teams to you.

    Problem solved, rivalries be damned.[/quote]Yeah, but at some point a throwback uniform from say, the Rangers doesn’t work against the throwback uni of the San Jose Sharks. :-)

  • Hott Rodd | July 16, 2009 at 2:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”340394″][quote comment=”340393″][quote]Basically, what you’re saying is that Denver, Calgary, and Vancouver will forever be prohibited from hosting a Winter Classic because you, the viewer, live in NYC.

    Essentially, it’s “too effing bad for them for living where they do, and eff those teams who want to earn the windfall of that immediate cash infusion”. And you wonder why teams in the west bitch and complain about east coast biases? [/quote]

    no, i’m saying they can’t have a game…i would HOPE they do get a game

    it will just be played at 12:00 EST, that’s all

    surely, you could find 60K hockey fans who are willing to be up and in their seats by 9:00 am (WST)

    it’s all about the tv, not the actual fans in those cities teebz, you know that

    has nothing to do with east coast bias, but tv time bias[/quote]

    Hate to tell you this, but TV is east coast biased. That’s why they are broadcast in ET and replayed in PT. Live events are ALWAYS given an ET billing because, surprisingly, all the networks are based there.[/quote]

    A. There is no WST. There is Pacific and Mountain.

    B. If you have never lived out West you have no idea what it is like to try to watch live sports at 9am after doing anything the night before.

    C. Phil, with all due respect, everything you are saying is only serving to reinforce the typical east coast bias.
    “aren’t a lot of left-coasters pretty much already used to seeing eastern sporting events earlier anyway?”

    Since we always have to watch games 3 hours earlier anyway, why should be be allowed to actually watch the games at noon. I am sure the players would love to show up for a game at 7 am.

    This is not to say that I think going against the Rose Bowl is a great idea, but rather that the east coast biased arguments are tired and insulting.

  • LI Phil | July 16, 2009 at 2:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”340444″][quote comment=”340442″]
    Thanks a lot, Teebz. If I get fired, it’s because of you and this filth, you filthy filthmongering filthmonger.

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    The URL is listed under categories (Pornography), which are not allowed by your administrator at this time. If you feel this site is categorized incorrectly, please contact the IT-Service Desk.What’s going on here? I keep getting some report about the NCAA and scholarships.

    What’s going on here? I keep getting some report about the NCAA and scholarships.Can someone provide a link to the interesting website??

    :-)[/quote]

    I need to find where it’s hidden within the domain name. If I find it, I’ll post it here. LOL[/quote]

    it’s probably easiest if we just paste the article:

    [quote]WASHINGTON, D.C. – July 15, 2009 – The findings of a first-of-a-kind study of NCAA participation and scholarship data conducted by the College Sports Council (CSC) shows that in NCAA Division I “gender symmetric sports” (teams where both male and female athletes participate), female students are accorded far more opportunities than male students to compete and earn scholarships.

    “Because only 119 schools, or less than 12% of all NCAA member institutions, offer the full 85 football scholarships, the NCAA can’t use football to tackle criticism of their discrimination against male athletes in gender symmetric sports,” said CSC Chairman Eric Pearson. “This new study appears to provide prima facie evidence of disparate treatment of male students by the 28% of NCAA Division I schools that don’t sponsor football teams.”

    Findings of the study, the first of its kind to compare scholarship opportunities for men and women in NCAA Division I using the organization’s own data, include:

    At the NCAA Division I level, there are far more womens teams (2,653) than mens teams (2,097). The study found the greatest gender disparities in favor of women in the sports of Volleyball (313 to 21) and Soccer (300 to 195).

    Overall in “gender symmetric” sports, there are far more scholarships available for women (32,656) than for men (20,206). This disparity is pronounced through virtually all “gender symmetric” sports because of NCAA scholarship limits. As a result, even in one of the only sports where there are more men’s teams, golf (285 to 228), there are still more athletic scholarships available for women (1,368 to 1,282.5).

    In every “gender symmetric” sport with the exception of gymnastics, men face longer odds against getting a scholarship than women. By far, the most difficult athletic scholarship to obtain at the Division I level is in men’s volleyball, where there are 489 high school athletes for every full NCAA scholarship. Similar long odds exist for men competing in Track and Field/Cross-Country (221 to 1), Soccer and Water Polo (196 to 1) and Tennis (136 to 1).

    Research Note: The underlying data from this study was obtained from the NCAA (“1981-82-2006-07 NCAA Sports Sponsorship and Participation Rate Report” and “2006-07 NCAA Division I Manual”) and the National Federation of State High School Associations using the 2006-07 academic year as a common baseline. The figure for NCAA Division I Maximum Allowable Scholarships in Gender Symmetric Sports was obtained by multiplying the number of Division I teams in which both men and women compete by the scholarship limits set out by the NCAA in the 2006-07 Division I Manual. Please note, not all NCAA institutions fully fund their programs to the NCAA Division I Scholarship Limits. For example, Ivy League institutions do not award athletic scholarships, though most athletes at those institutions do receive some form of financial aid. The final chart, “The Long Odds Against Athletic Scholarships,” was calculated by dividing the number of high school participants by the maximum number of scholarships available.[/quote]

    no pics, no porno…sorry

  • Teebz | July 16, 2009 at 2:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”340445″][quote comment=”340410″]No, but if you aren’t going to drop the east coast bias, then bring the Western teams to you.

    Problem solved, rivalries be damned.[/quote]Yeah, but at some point a throwback uniform from say, the Rangers doesn’t work against the throwback uni of the San Jose Sharks. :-)[/quote]

    Since all of the Western teams were incorporated into the NHL after 1967, you’re facing the same problem with this season’s Winter Classic. Philly, as a franchise, didn’t exist before 1967 either. There were teams who moved and setup shop there, but none are connected to the Flyers.

  • JTH | July 16, 2009 at 2:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”340436″][quote comment=”340434″][quote comment=”340423″]The URL is listed under categories (Pornography), which are not allowed by your administrator at this time[/quote]

    at this time?

    so there’s hope for the future, eh?[/quote]

    JTH is holding on to his Great White Hype. LOL

    (couldn’t resist the double entendre, JTH!)[/quote]
    The babysitter software here is a joke.

    Here’s what happens on a Google search of “beer can chicken recipe”

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  • Pretty Boy Paulie | July 16, 2009 at 2:14 pm |

    I’d like to put this into production myself…
    http://i667.photobuc...

  • Johnny O | July 16, 2009 at 2:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”340420″]John Daly is at it again. Here is a picture from today’s Open Championship:

    http://d.yimg.com/a/...

    Here is another one. Check out his cool blue (or green? or teal?) grips as well:

    http://d.yimg.com/a/...

    Hand here is a pic from earlier in the week. Note his partner’s attire:

    http://sports.yahoo....
    —————————

    And just to make sure Daly wouldn’t upstage him… here is what Ian Poulter is wearing:

    http://d.yimg.com/a/...

    http://d.yimg.com/a/...
    (that logo on his right pant leg is Ian’s own logo)
    http://www.ianpoulte...

    Just one more:
    http://d.yimg.com/a/...

    One more of Big John’s pants:
    http://d.yimg.com/a/...

    Check out John Daly’s bag:

    http://i147.photobuc...

    I gotta find out if he is indeed sponsored by Big Red gum, or if that is something else.

  • nettles | July 16, 2009 at 2:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”340263″]Banks wore one of those internal liners for a long, long while.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Which led to Bank’s less-than-famous quote, “Let’s wear two.” ;)

  • JTH | July 16, 2009 at 2:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”340452″]
    Check out John Daly’s bag:

    http://i147.photobuc...

    I gotta find out if he is indeed sponsored by Big Red gum, or if that is something else.[/quote]
    It’s a red cream soda, not the gum.

  • joe | July 16, 2009 at 2:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”340326″]”On another note, baseball stadia are terrible venues for hockey, the NHL would have done the fans attending a service if they held the game at Harvard Stadium instead of Fenway, because it would not only provide decent viewpoints because of its design, but also because were they needed, temporary bleachers could be erected in the open end of the bowl.”

    While it will not be toasty at Fenway, it would be hard to pick a worse place to watch an event on January 1 than Harvard Stadium. No seats; just concrete risers to sit on. Lots of wind blowing in from the river (although it is better now that they built the new squash courts at the open end). I froze my butt off there many Saturdays in October and November. January would be ridiculous.

    However, it is true that hockey has been played at Harvard Stadium in the past. (Scroll down the page): http://images.google...

    that image reinforces why a football field is not a good place for hockey. The rink is so much smaller than the football field there are not good seats anywhere near the game. At least in a smaller venue like a BB stadium you have some close seats. Granted it would have made much more sense to run teh field down 3rd base line at wrigely and for fenway down the 1st base line.

  • Ricko | July 16, 2009 at 2:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”340448″][quote comment=”340445″][quote comment=”340410″]No, but if you aren’t going to drop the east coast bias, then bring the Western teams to you.

    Problem solved, rivalries be damned.[/quote]Yeah, but at some point a throwback uniform from say, the Rangers doesn’t work against the throwback uni of the San Jose Sharks. :-)[/quote]

    Since all of the Western teams were incorporated into the NHL after 1967, you’re facing the same problem with this season’s Winter Classic. Philly, as a franchise, didn’t exist before 1967 either. There were teams who moved and setup shop there, but none are connected to the Flyers.[/quote]

    Isn’t there just a reasonable practicality that says better to have a game start at 5 pm in one part of country than have it end at 2 am in another part of the country? It know it’s about advertisers wanting big markets at key times, and not wanting a dwindling audience after midnight, but it’s also about which inconveniences the fewest people, and to what degree.

    Guess I’m saying that a bias is a bias, but time zones are what they are, and they are always going to have an affect, just by their very nature.

    —Ricko

  • JTH | July 16, 2009 at 2:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”340455″][quote comment=”340326″]”On another note, baseball stadia are terrible venues for hockey, the NHL would have done the fans attending a service if they held the game at Harvard Stadium instead of Fenway, because it would not only provide decent viewpoints because of its design, but also because were they needed, temporary bleachers could be erected in the open end of the bowl.”

    While it will not be toasty at Fenway, it would be hard to pick a worse place to watch an event on January 1 than Harvard Stadium. No seats; just concrete risers to sit on. Lots of wind blowing in from the river (although it is better now that they built the new squash courts at the open end). I froze my butt off there many Saturdays in October and November. January would be ridiculous.

    However, it is true that hockey has been played at Harvard Stadium in the past. (Scroll down the page): http://images.google...

    that image reinforces why a football field is not a good place for hockey. The rink is so much smaller than the football field there are not good seats anywhere near the game. At least in a smaller venue like a BB stadium you have some close seats. Granted it would have made much more sense to run teh field down 3rd base line at wrigely and for fenway down the 1st base line.[/quote]
    Baseball fields are even larger than football fields.

    And the closest seats to the ice at Wrigley Field were the “Youth Hockey Limited View” tickets.

  • JimV19 | July 16, 2009 at 2:29 pm |

    Don’t think these have been covered (running late so I had to skim to catch up):

    I haven’t seen anyone suggest PNC Park for a Winter Classic http://www.ballparkt...
    http://assets.espn.g...
    Picture THOSE shots on a beautiful gray, cloudy snowy Pittsburgh type of day.

    Or…just open up the Mellon Arena roof. When was the last time they did that for anything?

    Also, I know you’ve answered this: “What’s the deal with this cap? Almost looks like he’s wearing two caps, or like there’s a pocket or fold in the cap. Anyone..?” But it makes me want to say, “It’s a beautiful day for a game – let’s wear two caps…”

  • JimV19 | July 16, 2009 at 2:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”340453″][quote comment=”340263″]
    Which led to Bank’s less-than-famous quote, “Let’s wear two.” ;)[/quote]

    And you got that in while I was typing mine. Well played!

  • Ricko | July 16, 2009 at 2:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”340457″][quote comment=”340455″][quote comment=”340326″]”On another note, baseball stadia are terrible venues for hockey, the NHL would have done the fans attending a service if they held the game at Harvard Stadium instead of Fenway, because it would not only provide decent viewpoints because of its design, but also because were they needed, temporary bleachers could be erected in the open end of the bowl.”

    While it will not be toasty at Fenway, it would be hard to pick a worse place to watch an event on January 1 than Harvard Stadium. No seats; just concrete risers to sit on. Lots of wind blowing in from the river (although it is better now that they built the new squash courts at the open end). I froze my butt off there many Saturdays in October and November. January would be ridiculous.

    However, it is true that hockey has been played at Harvard Stadium in the past. (Scroll down the page): http://images.google...

    that image reinforces why a football field is not a good place for hockey. The rink is so much smaller than the football field there are not good seats anywhere near the game. At least in a smaller venue like a BB stadium you have some close seats. Granted it would have made much more sense to run teh field down 3rd base line at wrigely and for fenway down the 1st base line.[/quote]
    Baseball fields are even larger than football fields.

    And the closest seats to the ice at Wrigley Field were the “Youth Hockey Limited View” tickets.[/quote]

    Oh, now, let’s remember the WC exists first and foremost as a TV event, and an “experience” for those who attend. I don’t think anyone ever claimed you wouldn’t see the game better a regular indoor Sabres, Black Hawks or Bruins game.

    —Ricko

  • War Damn Eagle | July 16, 2009 at 2:36 pm |

    This guy has done some terrific work making these motorcycle helmets.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    One of the pics shows examples of his other work.

  • LI Phil | July 16, 2009 at 2:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”340458″]Don’t think these have been covered (running late so I had to skim to catch up):

    I haven’t seen anyone suggest PNC Park for a Winter Classic http://www.ballparkt...
    http://assets.espn.g...
    Picture THOSE shots on a beautiful gray, cloudy snowy Pittsburgh type of day.

    Or…just open up the Mellon Arena roof. When was the last time they did that for anything?

    Also, I know you’ve answered this: “What’s the deal with this cap? Almost looks like he’s wearing two caps, or like there’s a pocket or fold in the cap. Anyone..?” But it makes me want to say, “It’s a beautiful day for a game – let’s wear two caps…”[/quote]

    jim,

    i think we covered this before you started reading

    because the pens were already in a classic (albeit not at home), chances are slim and none that they’ll get in another one any time soon

    good idea, but, nat gahn happen

  • joe | July 16, 2009 at 2:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”340457″][quote comment=”340455″][quote comment=”340326″]”On another note, baseball stadia are terrible venues for hockey, the NHL would have done the fans attending a service if they held the game at Harvard Stadium instead of Fenway, because it would not only provide decent viewpoints because of its design, but also because were they needed, temporary bleachers could be erected in the open end of the bowl.”

    While it will not be toasty at Fenway, it would be hard to pick a worse place to watch an event on January 1 than Harvard Stadium. No seats; just concrete risers to sit on. Lots of wind blowing in from the river (although it is better now that they built the new squash courts at the open end). I froze my butt off there many Saturdays in October and November. January would be ridiculous.

    However, it is true that hockey has been played at Harvard Stadium in the past. (Scroll down the page): http://images.google...

    that image reinforces why a football field is not a good place for hockey. The rink is so much smaller than the football field there are not good seats anywhere near the game. At least in a smaller venue like a BB stadium you have some close seats. Granted it would have made much more sense to run teh field down 3rd base line at wrigely and for fenway down the 1st base line.[/quote]
    Baseball fields are even larger than football fields.

    And the closest seats to the ice at Wrigley Field were the “Youth Hockey Limited View” tickets.[/quote]

    but as I stated they should have run teh rink up the 3rd base line then, everything from about the RF bullpen plate to behind the plate all they way up the left field side would actually be good seats. The only bad seats then would be the far RF corner and RF bleachers. A FB field is 53 yards wide not counting the sidelines a rink is only 85 feet wide. It looks like a postage stamp when centered on a football field. on a baseball field the rink run up a baseline would cover the entire infield base area and extend another 110 feet into the outfield.

  • joe | July 16, 2009 at 2:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”340457″][quote comment=”340455″][quote comment=”340326″]”On another note, baseball stadia are terrible venues for hockey, the NHL would have done the fans attending a service if they held the game at Harvard Stadium instead of Fenway, because it would not only provide decent viewpoints because of its design, but also because were they needed, temporary bleachers could be erected in the open end of the bowl.”

    While it will not be toasty at Fenway, it would be hard to pick a worse place to watch an event on January 1 than Harvard Stadium. No seats; just concrete risers to sit on. Lots of wind blowing in from the river (although it is better now that they built the new squash courts at the open end). I froze my butt off there many Saturdays in October and November. January would be ridiculous.

    However, it is true that hockey has been played at Harvard Stadium in the past. (Scroll down the page): http://images.google...

    that image reinforces why a football field is not a good place for hockey. The rink is so much smaller than the football field there are not good seats anywhere near the game. At least in a smaller venue like a BB stadium you have some close seats. Granted it would have made much more sense to run teh field down 3rd base line at wrigely and for fenway down the 1st base line.[/quote]
    Baseball fields are even larger than football fields.

    And the closest seats to the ice at Wrigley Field were the “Youth Hockey Limited View” tickets.[/quote]

    plus the reason the first rows were cheapest was that being low and far from the ice you had a limited view, move the boards toward the stands and that view improves dramatically.

  • Hott Rodd | July 16, 2009 at 2:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”340458″]
    Or…just open up the Mellon Arena roof. When was the last time they did that for anything?
    [/quote]

    Don’t quote me, but I think is was for Game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals in the all time classic “Sudden Death” starring Jean-Claude Van Damme

  • Ricko | July 16, 2009 at 2:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”340463″][quote comment=”340457″][quote comment=”340455″][quote comment=”340326″]”On another note, baseball stadia are terrible venues for hockey, the NHL would have done the fans attending a service if they held the game at Harvard Stadium instead of Fenway, because it would not only provide decent viewpoints because of its design, but also because were they needed, temporary bleachers could be erected in the open end of the bowl.”

    While it will not be toasty at Fenway, it would be hard to pick a worse place to watch an event on January 1 than Harvard Stadium. No seats; just concrete risers to sit on. Lots of wind blowing in from the river (although it is better now that they built the new squash courts at the open end). I froze my butt off there many Saturdays in October and November. January would be ridiculous.

    However, it is true that hockey has been played at Harvard Stadium in the past. (Scroll down the page): http://images.google...

    that image reinforces why a football field is not a good place for hockey. The rink is so much smaller than the football field there are not good seats anywhere near the game. At least in a smaller venue like a BB stadium you have some close seats. Granted it would have made much more sense to run teh field down 3rd base line at wrigely and for fenway down the 1st base line.[/quote]
    Baseball fields are even larger than football fields.

    And the closest seats to the ice at Wrigley Field were the “Youth Hockey Limited View” tickets.[/quote]

    but as I stated they should have run teh rink up the 3rd base line then, everything from about the RF bullpen plate to behind the plate all they way up the left field side would actually be good seats. The only bad seats then would be the far RF corner and RF bleachers. A FB field is 53 yards wide not counting the sidelines a rink is only 85 feet wide.

    It looks like a postage stamp when centered on a football field. on a baseball field the rink run up a baseline would cover the entire infield base area and extend another 110 feet into the outfield.[/quote]

    But that wouldn’t look as good on TV.
    And that’s one place where it does break down. Really would be better to configure things that way. But, they’re interested in “framing things” properly. The end result is that at least the fans get treated equally:They’re all way the hell away from the rink.

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | July 16, 2009 at 2:53 pm |

    An Art Director at work came back from his daily walk around the Mall of America at lunch and said there’s some kind of booth set up about the Negro Leagues.

    I can’t get over there today. Maybe tomorrow.

    Any Twin Cities folks here know anything about it?

    —Ricko

  • JTH | July 16, 2009 at 2:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”340466″][quote comment=”340463″][quote comment=”340457″][quote comment=”340455″][quote comment=”340326″]”On another note, baseball stadia are terrible venues for hockey, the NHL would have done the fans attending a service if they held the game at Harvard Stadium instead of Fenway, because it would not only provide decent viewpoints because of its design, but also because were they needed, temporary bleachers could be erected in the open end of the bowl.”

    While it will not be toasty at Fenway, it would be hard to pick a worse place to watch an event on January 1 than Harvard Stadium. No seats; just concrete risers to sit on. Lots of wind blowing in from the river (although it is better now that they built the new squash courts at the open end). I froze my butt off there many Saturdays in October and November. January would be ridiculous.

    However, it is true that hockey has been played at Harvard Stadium in the past. (Scroll down the page): http://images.google...

    that image reinforces why a football field is not a good place for hockey. The rink is so much smaller than the football field there are not good seats anywhere near the game. At least in a smaller venue like a BB stadium you have some close seats. Granted it would have made much more sense to run teh field down 3rd base line at wrigely and for fenway down the 1st base line.[/quote]
    Baseball fields are even larger than football fields.

    And the closest seats to the ice at Wrigley Field were the “Youth Hockey Limited View” tickets.[/quote]

    but as I stated they should have run teh rink up the 3rd base line then, everything from about the RF bullpen plate to behind the plate all they way up the left field side would actually be good seats. The only bad seats then would be the far RF corner and RF bleachers. A FB field is 53 yards wide not counting the sidelines a rink is only 85 feet wide.

    It looks like a postage stamp when centered on a football field. on a baseball field the rink run up a baseline would cover the entire infield base area and extend another 110 feet into the outfield.[/quote]

    But that wouldn’t look as good on TV.
    And that’s one place where it does break down. Really would be better to configure things that way. But, they’re interested in “framing things” properly. The end result is that at least the fans get treated equally:They’re all way the hell away from the rink.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Not really. Think about where the only “good” seats in Wrigley were: the upper-deck. Positioning the ice where they did made sense when you look at it that way. If they put the rink down the third base line, it might have improved the view for some of the people sitting on that side of the park, but it would have made it a whole lot worse for a greater number of the people sitting on the first base side.

    The lower deck and bleachers would have sucked no matter where they put the ice.

  • Hibbs | July 16, 2009 at 3:00 pm |

    Winter Classic in LA? Turn it into a giant bubble hockey game. Replica, that is. Put a plexy glass dome over the rink, and have giant rods/handles, whatever they’re called, coming out of the boards. They would be superfluous, but funny. The fans would be out in the beautiful Cali weather while the players skate in the frigid dome. I’d imagine it would have to be extra cold in there to counteract any greenhouse effect. Who wouldn’t watch that?

  • JimV19 | July 16, 2009 at 3:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”340462″][quote comment=”340458″]I haven’t seen anyone suggest PNC Park for a Winter Classic

    i think we covered this before you started reading

    because the pens were already in a classic (albeit not at home), chances are slim and none that they’ll get in another one any time soon

    good idea, but, nat gahn happen[/quote]

    Fair ‘nuf. I’ll stick with a sport I know more about anyway – how about doing a Fall or Spring Classic for what’s left of indoor soccer? The Baltimore Blast would be the obvious choice, and they could play at Camden Yards. Actually the stadium for the Orioles AA Bowie team would be a better fit – I am grounded somewhat in reality…

    Back to hockey, though. Did anyone mention Natinals Park for a Caps game?

  • LI Phil | July 16, 2009 at 3:02 pm |

    [quote]A. There is no WST. There is Pacific and Mountain.[/quote]

    my bad

    [quote]B. If you have never lived out West you have no idea what it is like to try to watch live sports at 9am after doing anything the night before.[/quote]

    no, i’ve never lived out west, but i have visited many times…while i know the ‘lifestyles’ are different (sorta ‘laid back’ vs. ‘hustle and bustle’), but i have to say, i really ENJOYED watching sporting events 3 hours earlier (although, i guess, technically i was still on east coast time) — but specifically i remember being at a wedding in death valley (furnace creek, to be specific) and watching the mets destroy the giants in the 2000 NLCS…and the game ended well before the wedding started…was great; every time in vegas was great to see “early” games

    and, while im sure i wouldn’t enjoy this, i remember in hawaii catching part of a mets espn telecast (so must have been an 8 pm game) at two in the afternoon — watched a couple innings before scuba, then another inning or so before luau

    maybe i just enjoyed the novelty of having games earlier than i was used to; i certainly won’t say i have any idea what it is like to watch live sports at 9am out there…i just know i can do it here (don’t want it every day of course, but for a big/special event…not a problem)

    [quote]C. Phil, with all due respect, everything you are saying is only serving to reinforce the typical east coast bias.
    “aren’t a lot of left-coasters pretty much already used to seeing eastern sporting events earlier anyway?”

    Since we always have to watch games 3 hours earlier anyway, why should be be allowed to actually watch the games at noon. I am sure the players would love to show up for a game at 7 am.[/quote]

    like i said, call it east coast bias if you want — but it’s all about pleasing the largest tv audience possible in a time slot that makes the most sense…if the pro bowl were still in hawai’i and it might please hawai’ians to no end to have the game at 8:00 hawai’i time, you’d have an even smaller audience for the game than already is in place…it’s not a slap at hawai’ians as much as it’s to accommodate a NATIONWIDE audience…and if 80% of that audience happens to reside in the eastern and central time zones, then that’s when they’re gonna dictate the game be played

    [quote]This is not to say that I think going against the Rose Bowl is a great idea, but rather that the east coast biased arguments are tired and insulting.[/quote]

    not trying to be insulting…just pragmatic

    if you move the game, or make it a double header (no matter WHERE it’s played or by WHOM), that will spell the death knell for the winter classic

  • Ricko | July 16, 2009 at 3:03 pm |

    You’re sure right about that, JTH.

    No doubt about it, second deck generally is WAY under-rated…even for plain old everyday regular season games.

    There’s a reason they put the TV cameras up there.

    –Ricko

  • JimV19 | July 16, 2009 at 3:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”340470″][quote comment=”340462″][quote comment=”340458″]I haven’t seen anyone suggest PNC Park for a Winter Classic

    i think we covered this before you started reading

    because the pens were already in a classic (albeit not at home), chances are slim and none that they’ll get in another one any time soon

    good idea, but, nat gahn happen[/quote]

    Fair ‘nuf. I’ll stick with a sport I know more about anyway – how about doing a Fall or Spring Classic for what’s left of indoor soccer? The Baltimore Blast would be the obvious choice, and they could play at Camden Yards. Actually the stadium for the Orioles AA Bowie team would be a better fit – I am grounded somewhat in reality…

    Back to hockey, though. Did anyone mention Natinals Park for a Caps game?[/quote]

    If the Arena Football League is coming back, maybe they could do a game outside as well? Might be the kick start they need to stay alive.

  • Teebz | July 16, 2009 at 3:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”340471″]like i said, call it east coast bias if you want — but it’s all about pleasing the largest tv audience possible in a time slot that makes the most sense…if the pro bowl were still in hawai’i and it might please hawai’ians to no end to have the game at 8:00 hawai’i time, you’d have an even smaller audience for the game than already is in place…it’s not a slap at hawai’ians as much as it’s to accommodate a NATIONWIDE audience…and if 80% of that audience happens to reside in the eastern and central time zones, then that’s when they’re gonna dictate the game be played[/quote]

    What Phil is saying is that there needs to be more communities set up in the mountains of Utah and the plains of Montana.

    Unabombers and polygamist colonies unite! LOL

  • LI Phil | July 16, 2009 at 3:19 pm |

    [quote] Did anyone mention Natinals Park for a Caps game?[/quote]

    i think the consensus is that anything south of philly (on the east coast anyway) is too far south for outdoor puck…something to do with temps likely above freezing…possibly having something to do with ice melt?

    [quote]If the Arena Football League is coming back, maybe they could do a game outside as well? Might be the kick start they need to stay alive.[/quote]

    that’s a good one

    wait…you were serious, right?

  • Teebz | July 16, 2009 at 3:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”340475″][quote] Did anyone mention Natinals Park for a Caps game?[/quote]

    i think the consensus is that anything south of philly (on the east coast anyway) is too far south for outdoor puck…something to do with temps likely above freezing…possibly having something to do with ice melt?

    [quote]If the Arena Football League is coming back, maybe they could do a game outside as well? Might be the kick start they need to stay alive.[/quote]

    that’s a good one

    wait…you were serious, right?[/quote]

    If you’re talking fringe sports, check out this news on the WWL today: WTF are they thinking?

  • mike | July 16, 2009 at 3:24 pm |

    Frankly, as a Californian I think most sporting events (although don’t get me started on how they screw us on Wimbeldon) on TV work out perfectly for us. I don’t know what those on the east coast do on Sunday morning and I know I’m going to see the end of World Series games and Monday night football.
    That being said, a live event that early would never fly. You would be asking players to be in at 6am. I don’t see that working.
    East coast for the WC it is.

  • JimV19 | July 16, 2009 at 3:25 pm |

    “If a dimpled surface makes a golf ball go farther, why not apply the same principle to a car? (Thanks, Kirsten.)”

    I like the idea, but I bet the dimples are hard to keep clean…unless you build a giant one of these http://farm3.static....

  • JimV19 | July 16, 2009 at 3:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”340476″][quote comment=”340475″][quote] Did anyone mention Natinals Park for a Caps game?[/quote]

    i think the consensus is that anything south of philly (on the east coast anyway) is too far south for outdoor puck…something to do with temps likely above freezing…possibly having something to do with ice melt?

    [quote]If the Arena Football League is coming back, maybe they could do a game outside as well? Might be the kick start they need to stay alive.[/quote]

    that’s a good one

    wait…you were serious, right?[/quote]

    If you’re talking fringe sports, check out this news on the WWL today: WTF are they thinking?[/quote]

    I might have been serious, Phil… ;)

    I’d watch Twenty20 cricket at least once, but with this little thing we have here called baseball, I don’t see it lasting. Good luck to them, though.

  • JimV19 | July 16, 2009 at 3:37 pm |

    Saw this coming, and he’s a good fit for the CFL: http://sports.espn.g...

  • Berto | July 16, 2009 at 3:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”340469″]Winter Classic in LA? Turn it into a giant bubble hockey game. Replica, that is. Put a plexy glass dome over the rink, and have giant rods/handles, whatever they’re called, coming out of the boards. They would be superfluous, but funny. The fans would be out in the beautiful Cali weather while the players skate in the frigid dome. I’d imagine it would have to be extra cold in there to counteract any greenhouse effect. Who wouldn’t watch that?[/quote]

    Brilliant!

  • Teebz | July 16, 2009 at 3:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”340481″][quote comment=”340469″]Winter Classic in LA? Turn it into a giant bubble hockey game. Replica, that is. Put a plexy glass dome over the rink, and have giant rods/handles, whatever they’re called, coming out of the boards. They would be superfluous, but funny. The fans would be out in the beautiful Cali weather while the players skate in the frigid dome. I’d imagine it would have to be extra cold in there to counteract any greenhouse effect. Who wouldn’t watch that?[/quote]

    Brilliant![/quote]

    You’d be stuck with this little issue called steam and/or condensation.

    Not so brilliant.

  • Berto | July 16, 2009 at 3:47 pm |

    Pro cricket before pro rugby? Really? We can’t sell 30 guys with no pads bashing each other but we can sell a guy in catcher’s gear running back and forth for three days?

    Yer killing me Larry.

  • Berto | July 16, 2009 at 3:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”340482″][quote comment=”340481″][quote comment=”340469″]Winter Classic in LA? Turn it into a giant bubble hockey game. Replica, that is. Put a plexy glass dome over the rink, and have giant rods/handles, whatever they’re called, coming out of the boards. They would be superfluous, but funny. The fans would be out in the beautiful Cali weather while the players skate in the frigid dome. I’d imagine it would have to be extra cold in there to counteract any greenhouse effect. Who wouldn’t watch that?[/quote]

    Brilliant![/quote]

    You’d be stuck with this little issue called steam and/or condensation.

    Not so brilliant.[/quote]

    Dang. But it would be cool if you could work it out. C’mon, man on the moon and what not.

  • JTH | July 16, 2009 at 3:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”340482″][quote comment=”340481″][quote comment=”340469″]Winter Classic in LA? Turn it into a giant bubble hockey game. Replica, that is. Put a plexy glass dome over the rink, and have giant rods/handles, whatever they’re called, coming out of the boards. They would be superfluous, but funny. The fans would be out in the beautiful Cali weather while the players skate in the frigid dome. I’d imagine it would have to be extra cold in there to counteract any greenhouse effect. Who wouldn’t watch that?[/quote]

    Brilliant![/quote]

    You’d be stuck with this little issue called steam and/or condensation.

    Not so brilliant.[/quote]
    But it’s a dry heat…

  • JimV19 | July 16, 2009 at 3:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”340482″][quote comment=”340481″][quote comment=”340469″]Winter Classic in LA? Turn it into a giant bubble hockey game. Replica, that is. Put a plexy glass dome over the rink, and have giant rods/handles, whatever they’re called, coming out of the boards. They would be superfluous, but funny. The fans would be out in the beautiful Cali weather while the players skate in the frigid dome. I’d imagine it would have to be extra cold in there to counteract any greenhouse effect. Who wouldn’t watch that?[/quote]

    Brilliant![/quote]

    You’d be stuck with this little issue called steam and/or condensation.

    Not so brilliant.[/quote]

    Or…..
    Keep the Winter Classic in the Northeast and have the All Star Game in LA…on roller blades. Some purists already figure the ASG isn’t real hockey – why not have it somewhere warm, and you might get some interest from the guys who fake injuries to skip the ASG. Only half-serious, but I’d watch it.

  • JimV19 | July 16, 2009 at 4:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”340483″]Pro cricket before pro rugby? Really? We can’t sell 30 guys with no pads bashing each other but we can sell a guy in catcher’s gear running back and forth for three days?

    Yer killing me Larry.[/quote]

    I think the only way to sell fringe sports on TV now is to bring back a “Wide World of Sports” type of show – either on ESPN or one of the major networks. All the leagues would chip in to buy the air time and a different league would be featured each week. They could even have a single management group with different branches. For example, you’d have the Wide World Cricket League, the Wide World Rugby League, etc. That way a network isn’t committed to a single sport and they all get some exposure they wouldn’t get on their own. Whaddaya think?

  • =bg= | July 16, 2009 at 4:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”340376″][quote comment=”340318″][quote comment=”340315″][quote comment=”340309″]

    If you’re playing a throwback game, would you put the game in a brand-new stadium?

    The whole idea behind these games is history. They wear old jerseys, they play outdoors, they hype the NHL’s history. Putting the games in old venues like Wrigley, Fenway, and others only makes too much sense.[/quote]

    Well, that Buffalo stadium isn’t exactly OLD, is it?

    Anyway, the point isn’t so much old vs. new but rather baseball stadium vs. football stadium. When they have a choice of new baseball vs. new football, let’s see what happens.

    I don’t know the answer to this question but I’ll throw it out anyway: does War Memorial still exist?[/quote]

    All about the “draw”.
    2011? If things stay as they are today, it’ll be AO and the Capitals against the Rangers at one of the new NY ballparks, probably Yankee Stadium.
    Not necessarily what I think they should do, but what I think they will do.
    Write it down.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Ricko

    When do you think they will put a game at Target Field?? Wild vs. Stars, perhaps??[/quote]

    I think Sharkies @ AT&T Park would be cool. Uh, make that cold. I live in the East Bay- it’s been around 100 here. Went into the City yesterday—it was like Siberia where we were. (Near the ocean, SFZoo.) So yeah, it’ll be cold enough Jan 1.

  • Ricko | July 16, 2009 at 4:09 pm |

    Cricket in the U.S.?
    Good idea, MLB and NFL games don’t run long enough for American tastes.

    —Ricko

  • JimV19 | July 16, 2009 at 4:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”340489″]Cricket in the U.S.?
    Good idea, MLB and NFL games don’t run long enough for American tastes.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Yeah, you’ll never hear anyone say, “It’s a beautiful day for cricket – let’s play two!” ;)

    Twenty20 cricket is a shortened version, but probably still too long for us.

  • Berto | July 16, 2009 at 4:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”340487″][quote comment=”340483″]Pro cricket before pro rugby? Really? We can’t sell 30 guys with no pads bashing each other but we can sell a guy in catcher’s gear running back and forth for three days?

    Yer killing me Larry.[/quote]

    I think the only way to sell fringe sports on TV now is to bring back a “Wide World of Sports” type of show – either on ESPN or one of the major networks. All the leagues would chip in to buy the air time and a different league would be featured each week. They could even have a single management group with different branches. For example, you’d have the Wide World Cricket League, the Wide World Rugby League, etc. That way a network isn’t committed to a single sport and they all get some exposure they wouldn’t get on their own. Whaddaya think?[/quote]

    Works for me. Anything to get more rugby on free TV or basic cable. I think if rugby were done right rugby could catch on. Not as a major sport, but on the level of MLS or something like that.

    Just one small point. It would be called Wide World Rugby Union. In rugby the term “League” refers to a different set of rules sort of like how arena football is different than just football.

  • Ricko | July 16, 2009 at 4:26 pm |

    Another part of the WC is the NHL telling (and harking back to) the history of the game, and the way players grew up playing it. I seriously believe there are those who think hockey was waiting around to be invented until someone built the first indoor ice rink.

    Y’know, that it was like…
    “Hey, what if we tried field hockey in the figure skating arena!”
    “Okay! As soon as the curling tournament is over we’ll sneak in there.”
    “Red and blue lines would be cool.”
    “Oooo, I LIKE it.”

    The story of pond (and river) hockey is worth telling…and emulating. And it has nothing to do with palm trees.

    —Ricko

  • aflfan | July 16, 2009 at 4:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”340465″][quote comment=”340458″]
    Or…just open up the Mellon Arena roof. When was the last time they did that for anything?
    [/quote]

    Don’t quote me, but I think is was for Game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals in the all time classic “Sudden Death” starring Jean-Claude Van Damme[/quote]

    Sorry but the words classic and Jean-Claude Van Damme should not be in the same sentence.

  • M.Princip | July 16, 2009 at 4:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”340450″]I’d like to put this into production myself…
    http://i667.photobuc...

    Or, Arnold

  • JTH | July 16, 2009 at 4:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”340494″][quote comment=”340450″]I’d like to put this into production myself…
    http://i667.photobuc...

    Or, Arnold[/quote]
    I like it, but you’d better fix that apostrophe before Paul sees it.

  • aflfan | July 16, 2009 at 4:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”340473″][quote comment=”340470″][quote comment=”340462″][quote comment=”340458″]I haven’t seen anyone suggest PNC Park for a Winter Classic

    i think we covered this before you started reading

    because the pens were already in a classic (albeit not at home), chances are slim and none that they’ll get in another one any time soon

    good idea, but, nat gahn happen[/quote]

    Fair ‘nuf. I’ll stick with a sport I know more about anyway – how about doing a Fall or Spring Classic for what’s left of indoor soccer? The Baltimore Blast would be the obvious choice, and they could play at Camden Yards. Actually the stadium for the Orioles AA Bowie team would be a better fit – I am grounded somewhat in reality…

    Back to hockey, though. Did anyone mention Natinals Park for a Caps game?[/quote]

    If the Arena Football League is coming back, maybe they could do a game outside as well? Might be the kick start they need to stay alive.[/quote]

    Sorry, but I think there is less than a 5 percent chance the AFL will be back. It died when David Baker stepped down.

  • Berto | July 16, 2009 at 4:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”340496″][quote comment=”340473″][quote comment=”340470″][quote comment=”340462″][quote comment=”340458″]I haven’t seen anyone suggest PNC Park for a Winter Classic

    i think we covered this before you started reading

    because the pens were already in a classic (albeit not at home), chances are slim and none that they’ll get in another one any time soon

    good idea, but, nat gahn happen[/quote]

    Fair ‘nuf. I’ll stick with a sport I know more about anyway – how about doing a Fall or Spring Classic for what’s left of indoor soccer? The Baltimore Blast would be the obvious choice, and they could play at Camden Yards. Actually the stadium for the Orioles AA Bowie team would be a better fit – I am grounded somewhat in reality…

    Back to hockey, though. Did anyone mention Natinals Park for a Caps game?[/quote]

    If the Arena Football League is coming back, maybe they could do a game outside as well? Might be the kick start they need to stay alive.[/quote]

    Sorry, but I think there is less than a 5 percent chance the AFL will be back. It died when David Baker stepped down.[/quote]

    And in to the void steps…

    cricket?

  • LI Phil | July 16, 2009 at 4:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”340495″][quote comment=”340494″][quote comment=”340450″]I’d like to put this into production myself…
    http://i667.photobuc...

    Or, Arnold[/quote]
    I like it, but you’d better fix that apostrophe before Paul sees it.[/quote]

    i was thinkin’ maybe he did that on purpose

    /btw, nice shirt michael!

  • joe | July 16, 2009 at 4:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”340465″][quote comment=”340458″]
    Or…just open up the Mellon Arena roof. When was the last time they did that for anything?
    [/quote]

    Don’t quote me, but I think is was for Game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals in the all time classic “Sudden Death” starring Jean-Claude Van Damme[/quote]

    Since they installed the new scoreboard, it is not impossible to open the roof.

  • joe | July 16, 2009 at 4:42 pm |

    “Now impossible” is how that should have read.

  • Bernard | July 16, 2009 at 4:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”340487″][quote comment=”340483″]Pro cricket before pro rugby? Really? We can’t sell 30 guys with no pads bashing each other but we can sell a guy in catcher’s gear running back and forth for three days?

    Yer killing me Larry.[/quote]

    I think the only way to sell fringe sports on TV now is to bring back a “Wide World of Sports” type of show – either on ESPN or one of the major networks. All the leagues would chip in to buy the air time and a different league would be featured each week. They could even have a single management group with different branches. For example, you’d have the Wide World Cricket League, the Wide World Rugby League, etc. That way a network isn’t committed to a single sport and they all get some exposure they wouldn’t get on their own. Whaddaya think?[/quote]

    Sounds good to me. If it means there’s ONE less friggin’ poker broadcast, even better.

  • Ricko | July 16, 2009 at 4:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”340495″][quote comment=”340494″][quote comment=”340450″]I’d like to put this into production myself…
    http://i667.photobuc...

    Or, Arnold[/quote]
    I like it, but you’d better fix that apostrophe before Paul sees it.[/quote]

    So the idea is to wear that shirt and hang around the lobby all day waving to tour groups?

  • joe | July 16, 2009 at 4:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”340466″][quote comment=”340463″][quote comment=”340457″][quote comment=”340455″][quote comment=”340326″]”On another note, baseball stadia are terrible venues for hockey, the NHL would have done the fans attending a service if they held the game at Harvard Stadium instead of Fenway, because it would not only provide decent viewpoints because of its design, but also because were they needed, temporary bleachers could be erected in the open end of the bowl.”

    While it will not be toasty at Fenway, it would be hard to pick a worse place to watch an event on January 1 than Harvard Stadium. No seats; just concrete risers to sit on. Lots of wind blowing in from the river (although it is better now that they built the new squash courts at the open end). I froze my butt off there many Saturdays in October and November. January would be ridiculous.

    However, it is true that hockey has been played at Harvard Stadium in the past. (Scroll down the page): http://images.google...

    that image reinforces why a football field is not a good place for hockey. The rink is so much smaller than the football field there are not good seats anywhere near the game. At least in a smaller venue like a BB stadium you have some close seats. Granted it would have made much more sense to run teh field down 3rd base line at wrigely and for fenway down the 1st base line.[/quote]
    Baseball fields are even larger than football fields.

    And the closest seats to the ice at Wrigley Field were the “Youth Hockey Limited View” tickets.[/quote]

    but as I stated they should have run teh rink up the 3rd base line then, everything from about the RF bullpen plate to behind the plate all they way up the left field side would actually be good seats. The only bad seats then would be the far RF corner and RF bleachers. A FB field is 53 yards wide not counting the sidelines a rink is only 85 feet wide.

    It looks like a postage stamp when centered on a football field. on a baseball field the rink run up a baseline would cover the entire infield base area and extend another 110 feet into the outfield.[/quote]

    But that wouldn’t look as good on TV.
    And that’s one place where it does break down. Really would be better to configure things that way. But, they’re interested in “framing things” properly. The end result is that at least the fans get treated equally:They’re all way the hell away from the rink.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    How would it look bad on TV? The camera gets put essentially in CF behind the benches. The camera shoots over the benches across the ice and penalty box and right into a huge crowd that’s 15 feet from the glass.

  • aflfan | July 16, 2009 at 4:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”340487″][quote comment=”340483″]Pro cricket before pro rugby? Really? We can’t sell 30 guys with no pads bashing each other but we can sell a guy in catcher’s gear running back and forth for three days?

    Yer killing me Larry.[/quote]

    I think the only way to sell fringe sports on TV now is to bring back a “Wide World of Sports” type of show – either on ESPN or one of the major networks. All the leagues would chip in to buy the air time and a different league would be featured each week. They could even have a single management group with different branches. For example, you’d have the Wide World Cricket League, the Wide World Rugby League, etc. That way a network isn’t committed to a single sport and they all get some exposure they wouldn’t get on their own. Whaddaya think?[/quote]

    I like it. I miss WWS

  • M.Princip | July 16, 2009 at 4:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”340495″][quote comment=”340494″][quote comment=”340450″]I’d like to put this into production myself…
    http://i667.photobuc...

    Or, Arnold[/quote]
    I like it, but you’d better fix that apostrophe before Paul sees it.[/quote]

    Ha! Too true.

  • joe | July 16, 2009 at 4:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”340468″][quote comment=”340466″][quote comment=”340463″][quote comment=”340457″][quote comment=”340455″][quote comment=”340326″]”On another note, baseball stadia are terrible venues for hockey, the NHL would have done the fans attending a service if they held the game at Harvard Stadium instead of Fenway, because it would not only provide decent viewpoints because of its design, but also because were they needed, temporary bleachers could be erected in the open end of the bowl.”

    While it will not be toasty at Fenway, it would be hard to pick a worse place to watch an event on January 1 than Harvard Stadium. No seats; just concrete risers to sit on. Lots of wind blowing in from the river (although it is better now that they built the new squash courts at the open end). I froze my butt off there many Saturdays in October and November. January would be ridiculous.

    However, it is true that hockey has been played at Harvard Stadium in the past. (Scroll down the page): http://images.google...

    that image reinforces why a football field is not a good place for hockey. The rink is so much smaller than the football field there are not good seats anywhere near the game. At least in a smaller venue like a BB stadium you have some close seats. Granted it would have made much more sense to run teh field down 3rd base line at wrigely and for fenway down the 1st base line.[/quote]
    Baseball fields are even larger than football fields.

    And the closest seats to the ice at Wrigley Field were the “Youth Hockey Limited View” tickets.[/quote]

    but as I stated they should have run teh rink up the 3rd base line then, everything from about the RF bullpen plate to behind the plate all they way up the left field side would actually be good seats. The only bad seats then would be the far RF corner and RF bleachers. A FB field is 53 yards wide not counting the sidelines a rink is only 85 feet wide.

    It looks like a postage stamp when centered on a football field. on a baseball field the rink run up a baseline would cover the entire infield base area and extend another 110 feet into the outfield.[/quote]

    But that wouldn’t look as good on TV.
    And that’s one place where it does break down. Really would be better to configure things that way. But, they’re interested in “framing things” properly. The end result is that at least the fans get treated equally:They’re all way the hell away from the rink.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Not really. Think about where the only “good” seats in Wrigley were: the upper-deck. Positioning the ice where they did made sense when you look at it that way. If they put the rink down the third base line, it might have improved the view for some of the people sitting on that side of the park, but it would have made it a whole lot worse for a greater number of the people sitting on the first base side.

    The lower deck and bleachers would have sucked no matter where they put the ice.[/quote]

    no doubt the upper deck had the best views, but a big reason whey the lower deck was bad was being so far from the boards there was no angle to look down over them from. If the boards are closer to the seats that angle changes greatly.

  • Ricko | July 16, 2009 at 4:48 pm |

    “…but we can sell a guy in catcher’s gear running back and forth for three days?”

    Cool. Like a really low budget Transformers movie.

  • M.Princip | July 16, 2009 at 4:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”340502″][quote comment=”340495″][quote comment=”340494″][quote comment=”340450″]I’d like to put this into production myself…
    http://i667.photobuc...

    Or, Arnold[/quote]
    I like it, but you’d better fix that apostrophe before Paul sees it.[/quote]

    So the idea is to wear that shirt and hang around the lobby all day waving to tour groups?[/quote]

    Now it is! Thanks.

  • Ricko | July 16, 2009 at 4:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”340503″][quote comment=”340466″][quote comment=”340463″][quote comment=”340457″][quote comment=”340455″][quote comment=”340326″]”On another note, baseball stadia are terrible venues for hockey, the NHL would have done the fans attending a service if they held the game at Harvard Stadium instead of Fenway, because it would not only provide decent viewpoints because of its design, but also because were they needed, temporary bleachers could be erected in the open end of the bowl.”

    While it will not be toasty at Fenway, it would be hard to pick a worse place to watch an event on January 1 than Harvard Stadium. No seats; just concrete risers to sit on. Lots of wind blowing in from the river (although it is better now that they built the new squash courts at the open end). I froze my butt off there many Saturdays in October and November. January would be ridiculous.

    However, it is true that hockey has been played at Harvard Stadium in the past. (Scroll down the page): http://images.google...

    that image reinforces why a football field is not a good place for hockey. The rink is so much smaller than the football field there are not good seats anywhere near the game. At least in a smaller venue like a BB stadium you have some close seats. Granted it would have made much more sense to run teh field down 3rd base line at wrigely and for fenway down the 1st base line.[/quote]
    Baseball fields are even larger than football fields.

    And the closest seats to the ice at Wrigley Field were the “Youth Hockey Limited View” tickets.[/quote]

    but as I stated they should have run teh rink up the 3rd base line then, everything from about the RF bullpen plate to behind the plate all they way up the left field side would actually be good seats. The only bad seats then would be the far RF corner and RF bleachers. A FB field is 53 yards wide not counting the sidelines a rink is only 85 feet wide.

    It looks like a postage stamp when centered on a football field. on a baseball field the rink run up a baseline would cover the entire infield base area and extend another 110 feet into the outfield.[/quote]

    But that wouldn’t look as good on TV.
    And that’s one place where it does break down. Really would be better to configure things that way. But, they’re interested in “framing things” properly. The end result is that at least the fans get treated equally:They’re all way the hell away from the rink.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    How would it look bad on TV? The camera gets put essentially in CF behind the benches. The camera shoots over the benches across the ice and penalty box and right into a huge crowd that’s 15 feet from the glass.[/quote]

    I was being sarcastic. They wouldn’t get that wonderful hero shot of the rink nicely centered just behind the mound.

    —Ricko

  • dunderbear | July 16, 2009 at 4:55 pm |

    New uniforms for the Bears in 2009. Um…YAWN.

    I mean, it could be a lot worse. It’s just nothing new or classic. Either one of those would’ve been better. We had one of the most classic-looking uni’s around last year. To me, the only thing missing from last year’s uni was the BAYLOR across the front. If they’d done that, or even just redesigned the jersey, they would’ve looked amazing! Instead, we just got retreads of what Mizzou/Wake/etc. have been wearing for years.

    At least they got one thing right…they kept the helmets from last year – best in the land in my book! I thought I would hate the white helmets, but compared to the rest of this sorry non-redesign, they don’t bother me too much. I think I might actually kind of like ‘em…just a minimilistic version of the gold lids & they match the striping for the most part.

    The all-gold version is horrible. And all the black trim is ridiculous (it’s hard to see, but it’s there I think – see EA Sports new game & you can tell). Too bad we couldn’t get Nike to do something new like they did for Washington, Wash St, New Mexico, etc. that looked more classic (esp in the piping/striping). Oh wait, we did…last year.

    Oh well. RGIII and co. should be on their way to a bowl this year & more in the future. And unfortunately, that will probably mean many more years of the new-Baylor/old-Mizzou look. Guess I can handle that if it goes along with a new winning tradition.

  • Oakville Endive | July 16, 2009 at 4:56 pm |

    In the week of the British Open – Some of the memorable lines in sports commentating:

    1. It’s in the burn!! – C. Strange?
    2. Down goes Frazier, Down goes Frazier – H. Cosell
    3. Do you believe in miracles ? – A. Michaels
    4. And they’re going home !! – B. Cole (Flyers – Red Army)

  • Steven | July 16, 2009 at 4:57 pm |

    I know that the Canadians have played in an outdoors game and we aren’t really trying to attract more Canadian viewers, wouldn’t it have been much better for the Canadians or another one of the Original Six to be playing the Bruins? As a casual fan, i.e. who they are supposed to be attracting this would get me much more excited than the capitals or flyers.

  • M.Princip | July 16, 2009 at 4:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”340498″][quote comment=”340495″][quote comment=”340494″][quote comment=”340450″]I’d like to put this into production myself…
    http://i667.photobuc...

    Or, Arnold[/quote]

    I like it, but you’d better fix that apostrophe before Paul sees it.[/quote]

    i was thinkin’ maybe he did that on purpose

    /btw, nice shirt michael![/quote]

    A dream, I wanted to share. Thank you.

  • Ricko | July 16, 2009 at 5:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”340511″]In the week of the British Open – Some of the memorable lines in sports commentating:

    1. It’s in the burn!! – C. Strange?
    2. Down goes Frazier, Down goes Frazier – H. Cosell
    3. Do you believe in miracles ? – A. Michaels
    4. And they’re going home !! – B. Cole (Flyers – Red Army)[/quote]

    5. And we’ll see ya…tomorrow night! – J.Buck (Twins-Braves, W-S game 6, 1991

  • Ricko | July 16, 2009 at 5:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”340512″]I know that the Canadians have played in an outdoors game and we aren’t really trying to attract more Canadian viewers, wouldn’t it have been much better for the Canadians or another one of the Original Six to be playing the Bruins? As a casual fan, i.e. who they are supposed to be attracting this would get me much more excited than the capitals or flyers.[/quote]

    It’s an American TV show aimed at as many Americans as possible. For the time being, anyway. Can’t cut your target prime viewing markets in half by making one of them Canadian. I know that offends hockey fans but, again, think like an NHL or TV exec. For the purpose the WC serves, they are doing exactly what they should do. It isn’t the Stanley Cup, or even the All-Star Game. It’s a U.S.-oriented New Year’s Day NHL and hockey history/background showcase.

    —Ricko

  • anotherguy | July 16, 2009 at 5:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”340482″]You’d be stuck with this little issue called steam and/or condensation.

    Not so brilliant.[/quote]
    Teebz, the ice guru in town for the WC said he could do a game in LA: of course he went right on to say that there would be a lot more prep time, etc. But he wouldn’t rule it out.

  • anotherguy | July 16, 2009 at 5:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”340467″]… daily walk around the Mall of America at lunch …

    —Ricko[/quote]
    That’s about a three-hour tour, isn’t it? :-)

  • anotherguy | July 16, 2009 at 5:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”340453″]Which led to Bank’s less-than-famous quote, “Let’s wear two.” ;)[/quote]
    The first attempt was “let’s freeze two”: then every guy in the room raised an objection…

  • anotherguy | July 16, 2009 at 5:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”340501″]If it means there’s ONE less friggin’ poker broadcast, even better.[/quote]
    I’ll bet you’re watching all of the poker games…..

  • Ricko | July 16, 2009 at 5:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”340516″][quote comment=”340482″]You’d be stuck with this little issue called steam and/or condensation.

    Not so brilliant.[/quote]
    Teebz, the ice guru in town for the WC said he could do a game in LA: of course he went right on to say that there would be a lot more prep time, etc. But he wouldn’t rule it out.[/quote]

    The last thing the NHL needs is a gimmick game where the ice sheet turns into a giant Mr. Misty. They’d never risk it. For one thing, you don’t completely re-formulate a product that has so far been highly successful. That’s just bad business.

    For another, a “Winter” Classic probably ought to have an element of winter in it. In essence, playing outdoors in a warm climate is the same theory as playing in a heated arena, isn’t it, so the “winter weather” thing is gone…and a ton of the appeal goes with it.

    —Ricko

  • Teebz | July 16, 2009 at 5:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”340516″][quote comment=”340482″]You’d be stuck with this little issue called steam and/or condensation.

    Not so brilliant.[/quote]
    Teebz, the ice guru in town for the WC said he could do a game in LA: of course he went right on to say that there would be a lot more prep time, etc. But he wouldn’t rule it out.[/quote]

    I realize you can do it. The Kings do it in Las Vegas every year.

    You can’t do it with a bubble over top, though. That’s where the problems start.

  • Chris in DC | July 16, 2009 at 5:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”340470″][quote comment=”340462″][quote comment=”340458″]I haven’t seen anyone suggest PNC Park for a Winter Classic

    i think we covered this before you started reading

    because the pens were already in a classic (albeit not at home), chances are slim and none that they’ll get in another one any time soon

    good idea, but, nat gahn happen[/quote]

    Fair ‘nuf. I’ll stick with a sport I know more about anyway – how about doing a Fall or Spring Classic for what’s left of indoor soccer? The Baltimore Blast would be the obvious choice, and they could play at Camden Yards. Actually the stadium for the Orioles AA Bowie team would be a better fit – I am grounded somewhat in reality…

    Back to hockey, though. Did anyone mention Natinals Park for a Caps game?[/quote]

    While a Caps game at Nats Park would be amazing, and perhaps could be the first time a DC team over .500 has played there, the winters here in Washington DC are very hard to predict, especially in the last few years. It could be 30 degrees one day and 60 the next.

  • Bernard | July 16, 2009 at 5:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”340519″][quote comment=”340501″]If it means there’s ONE less friggin’ poker broadcast, even better.[/quote]
    I’ll bet you’re watching all of the poker games…..[/quote]

    Man, I don’t watch any. And I like poker – it just drives me crazy that it’s on ESPN so much. It could – and probably should – have its own channel.

  • Hott Rodd | July 16, 2009 at 5:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”340517″][quote comment=”340467″]… daily walk around the Mall of America at lunch …

    —Ricko[/quote]
    That’s about a three-hour tour, isn’t it? :-)[/quote]

    a three hour tour..

    (had to be said)

  • anotherguy | July 16, 2009 at 5:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”340448″]
    Since all of the Western teams were incorporated into the NHL after 1967, you’re facing the same problem with this season’s Winter Classic. Philly, as a franchise, didn’t exist before 1967 either. There were teams who moved and setup shop there, but none are connected to the Flyers.[/quote]Sure, that’s why I went with the word “classic” franchise instead of O-6. I didn’t want to limit myself too much. :-) But most (if not all) of the franchises up to the Buffalo/Vancouver class could muster up some sort of throwback, no?

    (How about the Stars with that “N” on their shirts?)

  • anotherguy | July 16, 2009 at 5:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”340521″]You can’t do it with a bubble over top, though. That’s where the problems start.[/quote]Okay, I didn’t get far enough back in the comments.

    Man, this place! Miss a few minutes of posting and you’re behind for the rest of the day. :-)

  • JimV19 | July 16, 2009 at 5:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”340523″][quote comment=”340519″][quote comment=”340501″]If it means there’s ONE less friggin’ poker broadcast, even better.[/quote]
    I’ll bet you’re watching all of the poker games…..[/quote]

    Man, I don’t watch any. And I like poker – it just drives me crazy that it’s on ESPN so much. It could – and probably should – have its own channel.[/quote]

    Yes! Poker is a game, ESPN is for sports.

  • anotherguy | July 16, 2009 at 5:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”340510″]New uniforms for the Bears in 2009.
    That’s the BAYLOR Bears.

    I already had my torch in hand and was trying to find my pitchfork, then I clicked on the link and it wasn’t linked to the Chicago Bears. Phew.

  • anotherguy | July 16, 2009 at 5:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”340523″][quote comment=”340519″]
    I’ll bet you’re watching all of the poker games…..[/quote]

    Man, I don’t watch any. And I like poker – it just drives me crazy that it’s on ESPN so much. It could – and probably should – have its own channel.[/quote]
    See, I wanted to have someone say “I’ll see that, and raise you….”

  • Hott Rodd | July 16, 2009 at 5:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”340527″][quote comment=”340523″][quote comment=”340519″][quote comment=”340501″]If it means there’s ONE less friggin’ poker broadcast, even better.[/quote]
    I’ll bet you’re watching all of the poker games…..[/quote]

    Man, I don’t watch any. And I like poker – it just drives me crazy that it’s on ESPN so much. It could – and probably should – have its own channel.[/quote]

    Yes! Poker is a game, ESPN is for sports.[/quote]

    Yeah! Like tractor pulling!

  • anotherguy | July 16, 2009 at 5:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”340524″]

    a three hour tour..

    (had to be said)[/quote]
    Hott Rodd gets it! :-)

  • Ricko | July 16, 2009 at 5:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”340527″][quote comment=”340523″][quote comment=”340519″][quote comment=”340501″]If it means there’s ONE less friggin’ poker broadcast, even better.[/quote]
    I’ll bet you’re watching all of the poker games…..[/quote]

    Man, I don’t watch any. And I like poker – it just drives me crazy that it’s on ESPN so much. It could – and probably should – have its own channel.[/quote]

    Yes! Poker is a game, ESPN is for sports.[/quote]

    Chutes & Ladders is a game.
    And CandyLand.
    Clue, too, and I wish ESPN would get one…when it comes to poker, hot dog eating, cup stacking and watching other people play Madden. Now there’s a frickin’ thrill-a-minute. Bunch of loudmouth guys in oversize jerseys sitting down, except for when they jump up to diss each other. That’s some big-time sports TV right there. Whooboy, you betcha.

    —Ricko

  • anotherguy | July 16, 2009 at 5:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”340530″]

    Yeah! Like tractor pulling![/quote]
    Nobody ever pulls a tractor on those shows! It’s always some guy DRIVING a tractor, pulling a sled of some sort.

    Now if they had some guy with a rope, who would spit on his hands and try to drag a tractor out of a mudhole, then it would be tractor pulling.

    (And I’ll bet the ratings would be higher too.)

  • anotherguy | July 16, 2009 at 5:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”340532″]..you betcha.

    [/quote]
    Hey, when’s the next rerun of “Fargo” on TV?

    ;-)

  • JimV19 | July 16, 2009 at 5:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”340526″][quote comment=”340521″]You can’t do it with a bubble over top, though. That’s where the problems start.[/quote]Okay, I didn’t get far enough back in the comments.

    Man, this place! Miss a few minutes of posting and you’re behind for the rest of the day. :-)[/quote]

    Found that out today as well…

    By the way, no disrepect meant to the tradition-rich game of hockey, at least on my end. I’m sure most of us are just brainstorming for fun here.

  • anotherguy | July 16, 2009 at 5:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”340535″]I’m sure most of us are just brainstorming for fun here.[/quote]
    I’m only capable of brainmisting these days.

  • Ricko | July 16, 2009 at 5:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”340535″][quote comment=”340526″][quote comment=”340521″]You can’t do it with a bubble over top, though. That’s where the problems start.[/quote]Okay, I didn’t get far enough back in the comments.

    Man, this place! Miss a few minutes of posting and you’re behind for the rest of the day. :-)[/quote]

    Found that out today as well…

    By the way, no disrepect meant to the tradition-rich game of hockey, at least on my end. I’m sure most of us are just brainstorming for fun here.[/quote]

    Oh, I know, but the fun is trying to figure out what they’re gonna do…be a little pre-cognitive based on our combined knowledge and experience. To do that in this case, you gotta stay inside the box, not think outside it.

    No sense debating whether a portion of the Great Salt Lake could be frozen for a game in Utah. That’s “Could Mighty Mouse beat Superman?” territory.

    —Ricko

  • JimV19 | July 16, 2009 at 5:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”340514″][quote comment=”340511″]In the week of the British Open – Some of the memorable lines in sports commentating:

    1. It’s in the burn!! – C. Strange?
    2. Down goes Frazier, Down goes Frazier – H. Cosell
    3. Do you believe in miracles ? – A. Michaels
    4. And they’re going home !! – B. Cole (Flyers – Red Army)[/quote]

    5. And we’ll see ya…tomorrow night! – J.Buck (Twins-Braves, W-S game 6, 1991[/quote]

    6. “You can kiss it goodbye!” – Bob Prince (game 7, 1960 WS-winning homer by Bill Mazeroski)

  • Ricko | July 16, 2009 at 5:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”340536″][quote comment=”340535″]I’m sure most of us are just brainstorming for fun here.[/quote]
    I’m only capable of brainmisting these days.[/quote]

    I sort of brain spitz, I think.
    And it settles into some kind of brain dew.

  • JimV19 | July 16, 2009 at 6:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”340539″][quote comment=”340536″][quote comment=”340535″]I’m sure most of us are just brainstorming for fun here.[/quote]
    I’m only capable of brainmisting these days.[/quote]

    I sort of brain spitz, I think.
    And it settles into some kind of brain dew.[/quote]

    You guys need some brain gatorade, I think…

    Actually, brainstorming is a great way to get to a good idea. Once I’ve verbalized some of my stupider ideas, the good ones usually follow.

  • dunderbear | July 16, 2009 at 6:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”340528″][quote comment=”340510″]New uniforms for the Bears in 2009.
    That’s the BAYLOR Bears.

    I already had my torch in hand and was trying to find my pitchfork, then I clicked on the link and it wasn’t linked to the Chicago Bears. Phew.[/quote]

    Sorry about any confusion there…yah, that’s the BAYLOR Bears.

  • anotherguy | July 16, 2009 at 6:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”340540″]Actually, brainstorming is a great way to get to a good idea. Once I’ve verbalized some of my stupider ideas, the good ones usually follow.[/quote]
    Seriously: in my younger days I had to take an in-house course in creative thinking. I recall that my first impression upon seeing this thing pop up on my schedule was “how do you TEACH someone to be creative?

    But to get back to your point, one of the strategies was to be as ridiculous & over the top as possible: and then after a few minutes of writing those things down, go back and do a 180.

  • Ricko | July 16, 2009 at 6:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”340540″][quote comment=”340539″][quote comment=”340536″][quote comment=”340535″]I’m sure most of us are just brainstorming for fun here.[/quote]
    I’m only capable of brainmisting these days.[/quote]

    I sort of brain spitz, I think.
    And it settles into some kind of brain dew.[/quote]

    You guys need some brain gatorade, I think…

    Actually, brainstorming is a great way to get to a good idea. Once I’ve verbalized some of my stupider ideas, the good ones usually follow.[/quote]

    Absolutely. Always said, Get the goofball ideas said and out in the open so they don’t clog up the chute.

  • Ricko | July 16, 2009 at 6:11 pm |

    See, if you’re sitting thinking of campaign that begins, “Here’s Cheech and Chong for Shearson Lehman” you won’t be able to think of anything else until you get rid of it somehow.

  • aflfan | July 16, 2009 at 6:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”340512″]I know that the Canadians have played in an outdoors game and we aren’t really trying to attract more Canadian viewers, wouldn’t it have been much better for the Canadians or another one of the Original Six to be playing the Bruins? As a casual fan, i.e. who they are supposed to be attracting this would get me much more excited than the capitals or flyers.[/quote]

    I agree that the Canadiens-Bruins game would have been best. It is the best rivalary in hockey.

  • aflfan | July 16, 2009 at 6:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”340538″][quote comment=”340514″][quote comment=”340511″]In the week of the British Open – Some of the memorable lines in sports commentating:

    1. It’s in the burn!! – C. Strange?
    2. Down goes Frazier, Down goes Frazier – H. Cosell
    3. Do you believe in miracles ? – A. Michaels
    4. And they’re going home !! – B. Cole (Flyers – Red Army)[/quote]

    5. And we’ll see ya…tomorrow night! – J.Buck (Twins-Braves, W-S game 6, 1991[/quote]

    6. “You can kiss it goodbye!” – Bob Prince (game 7, 1960 WS-winning homer by Bill Mazeroski)[/quote]

    I am sorry but number 1 has to be Giants win the pennant, Giants win the pennant.

  • bartusball | July 16, 2009 at 6:31 pm |

    The Rose Bowl kicks off at 5PM Eastern. Any hockey fan knows that a game lasts 2-1/2 hours. Even with a shootout 3 hours tops. The farthest Western US city you could have an outdoor game would be Denver. Start that game at 1 Eastern. It would be 11AM Denver time, not terribly early. NBC would still have plenty of time to bore you with the pregame snoozefest. Problem sovlved.

    I’ll also go on record to say that a second Winter Classic in say, Vancouver would be awesome! Canadien viewers will eat it up. Show it on Versus in the States. U.S. hockey fans, like myself, would gladly watch it over USC kicking the snot out of some Big 10 chump.

  • Berto | July 16, 2009 at 6:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”340546″][quote comment=”340538″][quote comment=”340514″][quote comment=”340511″]In the week of the British Open – Some of the memorable lines in sports commentating:

    1. It’s in the burn!! – C. Strange?
    2. Down goes Frazier, Down goes Frazier – H. Cosell
    3. Do you believe in miracles ? – A. Michaels
    4. And they’re going home !! – B. Cole (Flyers – Red Army)[/quote]

    5. And we’ll see ya…tomorrow night! – J.Buck (Twins-Braves, W-S game 6, 1991[/quote]

    6. “You can kiss it goodbye!” – Bob Prince (game 7, 1960 WS-winning homer by Bill Mazeroski)[/quote]

    I am sorry but number 1 has to be Giants win the pennant, Giants win the pennant.[/quote]

    7. “I don’t believe what I just saw!” -Jack Buck
    8. “It gets through Buckner!” -V. Scully

  • aflfan | July 16, 2009 at 6:37 pm |

    I know it is not sports related but I would be remiss if I didn’t point out that today is the 40th anniversary of the Apollo 11 launch.

    http://science.ksc.n...

  • Rahul | July 16, 2009 at 6:45 pm |

    I’m from Framingham Massachusetts and have absolutely no idea about that jacket. All I know is that Framingham used to be called tag town but that was because of the Dennison company (that then got bought by Avery).

  • bartusball | July 16, 2009 at 6:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”340485″][quote comment=”340482″][quote comment=”340481″][quote comment=”340469″]Winter Classic in LA? Turn it into a giant bubble hockey game. Replica, that is. Put a plexy glass dome over the rink, and have giant rods/handles, whatever they’re called, coming out of the boards. They would be superfluous, but funny. The fans would be out in the beautiful Cali weather while the players skate in the frigid dome. I’d imagine it would have to be extra cold in there to counteract any greenhouse effect. Who wouldn’t watch that?[/quote]

    Brilliant![/quote]

    You’d be stuck with this little issue called steam and/or condensation.

    Not so brilliant.[/quote]
    But it’s a dry heat…[/quote]

    Come on! LA! Hollywood! Couldn’t NBC hire Spielberg’s or Lucas’ special FX people to cook up a good old fashioned Hollywood snowstorm?

    As far as the bubble goes, maybe the NHL could ditch Bridgestone and hook up with Super Chexx as the sponsor. Just sayin’ That would be brilliant.

  • bartusball | July 16, 2009 at 6:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”340546″][quote comment=”340538″][quote comment=”340514″][quote comment=”340511″]In the week of the British Open – Some of the memorable lines in sports commentating:

    1. It’s in the burn!! – C. Strange?
    2. Down goes Frazier, Down goes Frazier – H. Cosell
    3. Do you believe in miracles ? – A. Michaels
    4. And they’re going home !! – B. Cole (Flyers – Red Army)[/quote]

    5. And we’ll see ya…tomorrow night! – J.Buck (Twins-Braves, W-S game 6, 1991[/quote]

    6. “You can kiss it goodbye!” – Bob Prince (game 7, 1960 WS-winning homer by Bill Mazeroski)[/quote]

    I am sorry but number 1 has to be Giants win the pennant, Giants win the pennant.[/quote]

    Unfortunately, Prince did not call the Maz homer live. Any recording of that moment was a recreation. On a similar note, most Steelers fans know that Myron Cope never saw the Immaculate Reception.

  • bartusball | July 16, 2009 at 6:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”340538″][quote comment=”340514″][quote comment=”340511″]In the week of the British Open – Some of the memorable lines in sports commentating:

    1. It’s in the burn!! – C. Strange?
    2. Down goes Frazier, Down goes Frazier – H. Cosell
    3. Do you believe in miracles ? – A. Michaels
    4. And they’re going home !! – B. Cole (Flyers – Red Army)[/quote]

    5. And we’ll see ya…tomorrow night! – J.Buck (Twins-Braves, W-S game 6, 1991[/quote]

    6. “You can kiss it goodbye!” – Bob Prince (game 7, 1960 WS-winning homer by Bill Mazeroski)[/quote]

    I prefer this classic. “It’s in the hole! It’s in the hole!” C. Spackler

  • MPowers1634 | July 16, 2009 at 7:07 pm |

    In the week of the British Open – Some of the memorable lines in sports commentating:

    1. It’s in the burn!! – C. Strange?
    2. Down goes Frazier, Down goes Frazier – H. Cosell
    3. Do you believe in miracles ? – A. Michaels
    4. And they’re going home !! – B. Cole (Flyers – Red Army)

    5. And we’ll see ya…tomorrow night! – J.Buck (Twins-Braves, W-S game 6, 1991

    6. “You can kiss it goodbye!” – Bob Prince (game 7, 1960 WS-winning homer by Bill Mazeroski)

    I prefer this classic. “It’s in the hole! It’s in the hole!” C. Spackler

    1. Regarding #5: My cousin, Scott Leius and Mike Pagliarulo platooned at third base for those Twins:

    http://www.baseball-...

    2. Regarding Carl Spackler…he was actually my nephews little league coach two tears ago. Murray lives in my town and is rarely ever seen without his Cubs jacket.

    One night, my buddy was having drinks at a nice little wine bar in town, whose head chef kicked Bobby Flay’s hgind quarters on Iron Chef, and Murray was thee and he broke into the entire Lama monologue!

    http://suburbarazzi....

  • MPowers1634 | July 16, 2009 at 7:18 pm |

    Al Michaels had another very famous call:

    http://vids.myspace....

  • Hibbs | July 16, 2009 at 7:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”340537″][quote comment=”340535″][quote comment=”340526″][quote comment=”340521″]You can’t do it with a bubble over top, though. That’s where the problems start.[/quote]Okay, I didn’t get far enough back in the comments.

    Man, this place! Miss a few minutes of posting and you’re behind for the rest of the day. :-)[/quote]

    Found that out today as well…

    By the way, no disrepect meant to the tradition-rich game of hockey, at least on my end. I’m sure most of us are just brainstorming for fun here.[/quote]

    Oh, I know, but the fun is trying to figure out what they’re gonna do…be a little pre-cognitive based on our combined knowledge and experience. To do that in this case, you gotta stay inside the box, not think outside it.

    No sense debating whether a portion of the Great Salt Lake could be frozen for a game in Utah. That’s “Could Mighty Mouse beat Superman?” territory.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Hey, Larry Flynt is right. We could call it the West Coast Winter Condensation Classic.

  • MPowers1634 | July 16, 2009 at 7:25 pm |

    Tecmo Bo

    Shoes:
    http://sneakernews.c...

    to match the shirt:
    http://www.nomas-nyc...

  • =bg= | July 16, 2009 at 7:27 pm |

    http://www.funnyordi...

    Tony Romo endorses a boatload of products, and he’d like to tell you about it right now.

  • Bernard | July 16, 2009 at 7:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”340529″][quote comment=”340523″][quote comment=”340519″]
    I’ll bet you’re watching all of the poker games…..[/quote]

    Man, I don’t watch any. And I like poker – it just drives me crazy that it’s on ESPN so much. It could – and probably should – have its own channel.[/quote]
    See, I wanted to have someone say “I’ll see that, and raise you….”[/quote]

    Oh, I get it. :) Sorry – a few too many Miller Lites last night…

  • Hibbs | July 16, 2009 at 7:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”340557″]Tecmo Bo

    Shoes:
    http://sneakernews.c...

    to match the shirt:
    http://www.nomas-nyc...

    I’ve been off the swoosh for some time, but I do think those sneakers are tecdope.

  • Jerry | July 16, 2009 at 8:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”340398″][quote comment=”340388″][quote comment=”340376″]

    When do you think they will put a game at Target Field?? Wild vs. Stars, perhaps??[/quote]

    I swear someone was pushing for an outdoor game right after Edmonton in 2003.

    I think they’ve played an outdoor high school game every year as part of Hockey Day Minnesota.[/quote]

    A friend of mine works on for the U of MN athletic department. He told me there has been talk of trying to expand Hockey Day to more of a hockey weekend. The idea would be to set up ice at the new TCF Bank Stadium and play all weekend. Maybe some high school games on Friday and Saturday. Gophers women’s and men’s games on Saturday, Wild game on Sunday. I don’t think it has gotten past the idea stage, and I’m not sure it ever will (the logistics of scheduling, financial terms, etc, etc would make it a huge undertaking), but it’s a cool concept. If you’re going to go to the trouble of building temporary ice, might as well get as much use out of it as possible.[/quote]

    There was talk of the Gophers and Badgers playing outdoors at TCF, but the WCHA wouldn’t allow it for this season.

  • leon | July 16, 2009 at 8:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”340548″][quote comment=”340546″][quote comment=”340538″][quote comment=”340514″][quote comment=”340511″]In the week of the British Open – Some of the memorable lines in sports commentating:

    1. It’s in the burn!! – C. Strange?
    2. Down goes Frazier, Down goes Frazier – H. Cosell
    3. Do you believe in miracles ? – A. Michaels
    4. And they’re going home !! – B. Cole (Flyers – Red Army)[/quote]

    5. And we’ll see ya…tomorrow night! – J.Buck (Twins-Braves, W-S game 6, 1991[/quote]

    6. “You can kiss it goodbye!” – Bob Prince (game 7, 1960 WS-winning homer by Bill Mazeroski)[/quote]

    I am sorry but number 1 has to be Giants win the pennant, Giants win the pennant.[/quote]

    7. “I don’t believe what I just saw!” -Jack Buck
    8. “It gets through Buckner!” -V. Scully[/quote]

    “Why thank you, Joe” – Angela Kramer

  • Johnny O | July 16, 2009 at 8:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”340538″][quote comment=”340514″][quote comment=”340511″]In the week of the British Open – Some of the memorable lines in sports commentating:

    1. It’s in the burn!! – C. Strange?
    2. Down goes Frazier, Down goes Frazier – H. Cosell
    3. Do you believe in miracles ? – A. Michaels
    4. And they’re going home !! – B. Cole (Flyers – Red Army)[/quote]

    5. And we’ll see ya…tomorrow night! – J.Buck (Twins-Braves, W-S game 6, 1991[/quote]

    6. “You can kiss it goodbye!” – Bob Prince (game 7, 1960 WS-winning homer by Bill Mazeroski)[/quote]

    *”Go crazy folks! Go crazy” – Jack Buck after Ozzie Smith hit a GW home run in Game 5 of the NL championship.

  • LI Phil | July 16, 2009 at 8:28 pm |

    “raw-gah clemens is in gawghe steinbrennahs bawx”

    -suzyn

  • Mayer | July 16, 2009 at 8:37 pm |

    WHOA! Beckham is wearing short sleaves!

  • JTH | July 16, 2009 at 9:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”340564″]”raw-gah clemens is in gawghe steinbrennahs bawx”

    -suzyn[/quote]
    It saddens me that, aside from the illustrious Mike North of course, there are virtually no local broadcasters who embrace their Chicago accents.

  • JTH | July 16, 2009 at 9:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”340563″][quote comment=”340538″][quote comment=”340514″][quote comment=”340511″]In the week of the British Open – Some of the memorable lines in sports commentating:

    1. It’s in the burn!! – C. Strange?
    2. Down goes Frazier, Down goes Frazier – H. Cosell
    3. Do you believe in miracles ? – A. Michaels
    4. And they’re going home !! – B. Cole (Flyers – Red Army)[/quote]

    5. And we’ll see ya…tomorrow night! – J.Buck (Twins-Braves, W-S game 6, 1991[/quote]

    6. “You can kiss it goodbye!” – Bob Prince (game 7, 1960 WS-winning homer by Bill Mazeroski)[/quote]

    *”Go crazy folks! Go crazy” – Jack Buck after Ozzie Smith hit a GW home run in Game 5 of the NL championship.[/quote]
    Yeah. Good call, Johnny. I was gonna bring that one up earlier today but some bullshit called “work” got in my way and I got sidetracked.

    So, I’ll go with “Devin Hester… You are RIDICULOUS!”
    – Jeff Joniak after Hester’s second kickoff return for a touchdown vs. the Rams in St. Louis, Monday, December 11, 2006

  • JimV19 | July 16, 2009 at 9:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”340549″]I know it is not sports related but I would be remiss if I didn’t point out that today is the 40th anniversary of the Apollo 11 launch.

    http://science.ksc.n...

    Talk about cool uniforms!

  • Scott Davis | July 16, 2009 at 9:46 pm |

    I was at a Bob’s Store (North-East chain) tonight and found at Red Sox away cool base BP jersey for $55. I contemplated and decided against it, but then on the way home decided I wanted it, turned back around, and they were closed. I will be going back tomorrow… that’s a deal.

  • Leaky | July 16, 2009 at 9:49 pm |

    2010 Winter Classic Uniforms.

    I guess:

    1967-68 Philadelphia Flyers road white uniforms.
    1948-49 Boston Bruins home uniforms.

  • timmy b | July 16, 2009 at 9:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”340552″]

    6. “You can kiss it goodbye!” – Bob Prince (game 7, 1960 WS-winning homer by Bill Mazeroski)[/quote]

    I am sorry but number 1 has to be Giants win the pennant, Giants win the pennant.[/quote]

    Unfortunately, Prince did not call the Maz homer live. Any recording of that moment was a recreation. On a similar note, most Steelers fans know that Myron Cope never saw the Immaculate Reception.[/quote]

    The callers of Maz’s homer were Mel Allen on the TV side (sadly, we’ll never know what he said as nothing exists of the NBC video of the ’60 WS) and Chuck Thompson’s call on NBC radio (which does exist and Chuck misidentifies Ralph Terry as Artrt Ditmar).

  • JimV19 | July 16, 2009 at 9:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”340569″][quote comment=”340549″]I know it is not sports related but I would be remiss if I didn’t point out that today is the 40th anniversary of the Apollo 11 launch.

    http://science.ksc.n...

    Talk about cool uniforms![/quote]

    I always thought the Arena League’s Orlando Predators should have been the Florida Astronauts. Home unis could have been orange with white helmets to look like the shuttle launch suits, and visiting unis all white like the spacewalking suits.

  • JimV19 | July 16, 2009 at 9:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”340572″][quote comment=”340552″]

    6. “You can kiss it goodbye!” – Bob Prince (game 7, 1960 WS-winning homer by Bill Mazeroski)[/quote]

    I am sorry but number 1 has to be Giants win the pennant, Giants win the pennant.[/quote]

    Unfortunately, Prince did not call the Maz homer live. Any recording of that moment was a recreation. On a similar note, most Steelers fans know that Myron Cope never saw the Immaculate Reception.[/quote]

    The callers of Maz’s homer were Mel Allen on the TV side (sadly, we’ll never know what he said as nothing exists of the NBC video of the ’60 WS) and Chuck Thompson’s call on NBC radio (which does exist and Chuck misidentifies Ralph Terry as Artrt Ditmar).[/quote]

    I believe Prince did the local call for KDKA. If he didn’t he went to a lot of trouble making a recreation, because I bought a recording of the entire game 7 on tape years ago for my dad.

  • JimV19 | July 16, 2009 at 10:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”340553″][quote comment=”340538″][quote comment=”340514″][quote comment=”340511″]In the week of the British Open – Some of the memorable lines in sports commentating:

    1. It’s in the burn!! – C. Strange?
    2. Down goes Frazier, Down goes Frazier – H. Cosell
    3. Do you believe in miracles ? – A. Michaels
    4. And they’re going home !! – B. Cole (Flyers – Red Army)[/quote]

    5. And we’ll see ya…tomorrow night! – J.Buck (Twins-Braves, W-S game 6, 1991[/quote]

    6. “You can kiss it goodbye!” – Bob Prince (game 7, 1960 WS-winning homer by Bill Mazeroski)[/quote]

    I prefer this classic. “It’s in the hole! It’s in the hole!” C. Spackler[/quote]

    Great call!

    Here’s a newer one:
    “Santa Maria!” Matt Vasgersian after the TB Bucs’ 1st ever KO return for a TD.

  • LI Phil | July 16, 2009 at 10:04 pm |

    little roller up along first…

  • =bg= | July 16, 2009 at 10:04 pm |

    Now, are we at the record for most # of posts?
    This post sponsored by BRIDGESTONE, baby.

    (Could that WC logo have that any more prominently?)

  • JTH | July 16, 2009 at 10:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”340571″]2010 Winter Classic Uniforms.

    I guess:

    1967-68 Philadelphia Flyers road white uniforms.
    1948-49 Boston Bruins home uniforms.[/quote]
    Keep in mind that this year’s uniforms were not full reproductions of classic unis. The Wings wore red pants, not white. They also wore the modern winged wheel logo as shoulder patches. The Hawks essentially took the crest they wore in the ’40s and put it on the jersey they wore in the mid-’30s. For the pants, they used the design from the ones they wore with those mid-’30s jerseys and flipped the colors so that they were black instead of beige.

    So don’t be surprised to see the Flyers do something like put their modern logo on a Quakers jersey or the Bruins take one of their early designs and make them black instead of brown.

  • LI Phil | July 16, 2009 at 10:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”340577″]Now, are we at the record for most # of posts?
    This post sponsored by BRIDGESTONE, baby.

    (Could that WC logo have that any more prominently?)[/quote]

    not even close

    but we have got to be waaaaay over the number of posts completely unrelated to the main article

  • Scott Davis | July 16, 2009 at 10:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”340579″][quote comment=”340577″]Now, are we at the record for most # of posts?
    This post sponsored by BRIDGESTONE, baby.

    (Could that WC logo have that any more prominently?)[/quote]

    not even close

    but we have got to be waaaaay over the number of posts completely unrelated to the main article[/quote]

    Uni Watch by the numbers! ;)

  • JTH | July 16, 2009 at 10:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”340580″][quote comment=”340579″][quote comment=”340577″]Now, are we at the record for most # of posts?
    This post sponsored by BRIDGESTONE, baby.

    (Could that WC logo have that any more prominently?)[/quote]

    not even close

    but we have got to be waaaaay over the number of posts completely unrelated to the main article[/quote]

    Uni Watch by the numbers! ;)[/quote]
    Here’s one that’s related to today’s post:

    I’m actually watching an episode of “Baseball’s Golden Age” Joe Torre was just talking about how heavy the tomahawks were when the Braves unis got sweaty. White Sox’ zippered jerseys… Cubs’ vests… Dodger green…

  • JTH | July 16, 2009 at 10:28 pm |

    Terrible punctuation

  • LarryB | July 16, 2009 at 10:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”340579″][quote comment=”340577″]Now, are we at the record for most # of posts?
    This post sponsored by BRIDGESTONE, baby.

    (Could that WC logo have that any more prominently?)[/quote]

    not even close

    LOL

    but we have got to be waaaaay over the number of posts completely unrelated to the main article[/quote]

  • JTH | July 16, 2009 at 10:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”340548″]8. “It gets through Buckner!” -V. Scully[/quote]
    Heh. Now I’m watching one of those 1986 year in review shows. Every one of the talking heads (Rich Eisen and a few others) that quoted Vin Scully on that one fucked it up. They all said “gets by Buckner.”

  • Ricko | July 16, 2009 at 10:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”340579″][quote comment=”340577″]Now, are we at the record for most # of posts?
    This post sponsored by BRIDGESTONE, baby.

    (Could that WC logo have that any more prominently?)[/quote]

    not even close

    but we have got to be waaaaay over the number of posts completely unrelated to the main article[/quote]

    Uh-oh, another of those days when we forgot our tangendental medication, huh?

    Oh, nurse….

  • Ricko | July 16, 2009 at 11:00 pm |

    Well, back to the beginning then.
    Pitchers took pre-game warmups near the dugouts at old Met Stadium, too.
    At least in the early years. Honestly can’t remember if they still did in the late ’70s, during the final seasons.

    —Ricko

  • LI Phil | July 16, 2009 at 11:00 pm |

    i think it would be safe to say no man in the history of baseball has ever come up to home plate in a more dramatic moment…that man is pinch-hitter dale mitchell

  • Ricko | July 16, 2009 at 11:05 pm |

    And in the midst of all that history, I’m a kid watching on TV and also thinking, “Gee, he sure looks a lot different than in his Indians uniform.”

    (Talk about a lifetime of the arcane)

    —Ricko

  • JTH | July 16, 2009 at 11:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”340587″]i think it would be safe to say no man in the history of baseball has ever come up to home plate in a more dramatic moment…that man is pinch-hitter dale mitchell[/quote]
    It was a ball.

  • Hibbs | July 16, 2009 at 11:22 pm |

    Back to the column.
    In my opinion, that A’s image would be better if they had a yellow “KC” on the cap. I loathe it when football helmets and baseball caps don’t represent all of the team’s colors.
    Chiefs, White Sox (iffy), Sayer’s era Bears, who else?
    Notre Dame kind of works, but Ucla doesn’t. I can’t explain that.

  • JimV19 | July 16, 2009 at 11:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”340591″]Back to the column.
    In my opinion, that A’s image would be better if they had a yellow “KC” on the cap. I loathe it when football helmets and baseball caps don’t represent all of the team’s colors.
    Chiefs, White Sox (iffy), Sayer’s era Bears, who else?
    Notre Dame kind of works, but Ucla doesn’t. I can’t explain that.[/quote]

    If you have all the colors on the headgear that could be more of a temptation to do a BFBS on the uniform. I know, the Mets did it anyway, but I’m speaking in overall terms.

    Kinda liked the old Bears helmet, but yeah, I’d like to see some yellow on the Chiefs helmet.

    It works with ND becasue the helmet is gold and the jersey is blue – they complement each other.

  • Mike Engle | July 16, 2009 at 11:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”340592″][quote comment=”340591″]Back to the column.
    In my opinion, that A’s image would be better if they had a yellow “KC” on the cap. I loathe it when football helmets and baseball caps don’t represent all of the team’s colors.
    Chiefs, White Sox (iffy), Sayer’s era Bears, who else?
    Notre Dame kind of works, but Ucla doesn’t. I can’t explain that.[/quote]

    If you have all the colors on the headgear that could be more of a temptation to do a BFBS on the uniform. I know, the Mets did it anyway, but I’m speaking in overall terms.

    Kinda liked the old Bears helmet, but yeah, I’d like to see some yellow on the Chiefs helmet.

    It works with ND becasue the helmet is gold and the jersey is blue – they complement each other.[/quote]
    What about extra colors on the headgear that aren’t on the jersey? The Steelers only got red and blue on the jersey with the matching patch on the left shoulder. So once upon a time, the Steelers’ helmet had more colors than the jerseys.

  • =bg= | July 17, 2009 at 12:05 am |

    Watching the 1967 movie Fantastic Voyage. Here’s the uni connection.

    http://flyvapnet.com...

  • JimV19 | July 17, 2009 at 12:10 am |

    [quote comment=”340593″][quote comment=”340592″][quote comment=”340591″]Back to the column.
    In my opinion, that A’s image would be better if they had a yellow “KC” on the cap. I loathe it when football helmets and baseball caps don’t represent all of the team’s colors.
    Chiefs, White Sox (iffy), Sayer’s era Bears, who else?
    Notre Dame kind of works, but Ucla doesn’t. I can’t explain that.[/quote]

    If you have all the colors on the headgear that could be more of a temptation to do a BFBS on the uniform. I know, the Mets did it anyway, but I’m speaking in overall terms.

    Kinda liked the old Bears helmet, but yeah, I’d like to see some yellow on the Chiefs helmet.

    It works with ND becasue the helmet is gold and the jersey is blue – they complement each other.[/quote]
    What about extra colors on the headgear that aren’t on the jersey? The Steelers only got red and blue on the jersey with the matching patch on the left shoulder. So once upon a time, the Steelers’ helmet had more colors than the jerseys.[/quote]

    Call me a heretic, but this is one Steelers fan who would rather see this http://www.hatland.c... on the helmet (one side only, of course).

  • Hibbs | July 17, 2009 at 12:21 am |

    [quote comment=”340593″][quote comment=”340592″][quote comment=”340591″]Back to the column.
    In my opinion, that A’s image would be better if they had a yellow “KC” on the cap. I loathe it when football helmets and baseball caps don’t represent all of the team’s colors.
    Chiefs, White Sox (iffy), Sayer’s era Bears, who else?
    Notre Dame kind of works, but Ucla doesn’t. I can’t explain that.[/quote]

    If you have all the colors on the headgear that could be more of a temptation to do a BFBS on the uniform. I know, the Mets did it anyway, but I’m speaking in overall terms.

    Kinda liked the old Bears helmet, but yeah, I’d like to see some yellow on the Chiefs helmet.

    It works with ND becasue the helmet is gold and the jersey is blue – they complement each other.[/quote]
    What about extra colors on the headgear that aren’t on the jersey? The Steelers only got red and blue on the jersey with the matching patch on the left shoulder. So once upon a time, the Steelers’ helmet had more colors than the jerseys.[/quote]

    I thought about that. That’s a different story. The Steeler’s logo is somewhat isolated. The rest of the helmet is black and yellow, the colors of the team.
    Some logos need additional colors. Like the Black Hawks, Redskins, Cardinals before they added black.

  • Johnny O | July 17, 2009 at 1:17 am |

    Any Cheeseheads out there watch the Crew from the FS WI feed and notice the Batting Stance Guy do an impression of Fielder and then un-tuck his jersey around 1st base, and then his jersey goes down to his feet.

    Anyways, I have been meaning to DVR this but I always forget. If I forget again, and chance someone else can tape it? I think the UW world would like to see this commercial as well.

  • Johnny O | July 17, 2009 at 1:20 am |

    [quote comment=”340575″][quote comment=”340553″][quote comment=”340538″][quote comment=”340514″][quote comment=”340511″]In the week of the British Open – Some of the memorable lines in sports commentating:

    1. It’s in the burn!! – C. Strange?
    2. Down goes Frazier, Down goes Frazier – H. Cosell
    3. Do you believe in miracles ? – A. Michaels
    4. And they’re going home !! – B. Cole (Flyers – Red Army)[/quote]

    5. And we’ll see ya…tomorrow night! – J.Buck (Twins-Braves, W-S game 6, 1991[/quote]

    6. “You can kiss it goodbye!” – Bob Prince (game 7, 1960 WS-winning homer by Bill Mazeroski)[/quote]

    I prefer this classic. “It’s in the hole! It’s in the hole!” C. Spackler[/quote]

    Great call!

    Here’s a newer one:
    “Santa Maria!” Matt Vasgersian after the TB Bucs’ 1st ever KO return for a TD.[/quote]

    SANTA MARIA!
    http://www.youtube.c...

  • Johnny O | July 17, 2009 at 1:21 am |

    [quote comment=”340598″][quote comment=”340575″][quote comment=”340553″][quote comment=”340538″][quote comment=”340514″][quote comment=”340511″]In the week of the British Open – Some of the memorable lines in sports commentating:

    1. It’s in the burn!! – C. Strange?
    2. Down goes Frazier, Down goes Frazier – H. Cosell
    3. Do you believe in miracles ? – A. Michaels
    4. And they’re going home !! – B. Cole (Flyers – Red Army)[/quote]

    5. And we’ll see ya…tomorrow night! – J.Buck (Twins-Braves, W-S game 6, 1991[/quote]

    6. “You can kiss it goodbye!” – Bob Prince (game 7, 1960 WS-winning homer by Bill Mazeroski)[/quote]

    I prefer this classic. “It’s in the hole! It’s in the hole!” C. Spackler[/quote]

    Great call!

    Here’s a newer one:
    “Santa Maria!” Matt Vasgersian after the TB Bucs’ 1st ever KO return for a TD.[/quote]

    SANTA MARIA!
    http://www.youtube.c...

    Better video:
    http://www.youtube.c...

  • =bg= | July 17, 2009 at 1:34 am |

    ..and followed Fantastic Voyage with the late 60’s British sci-fi favorite, Gerry Anderson’s UFO.
    Another great..uni.

    http://www.sixtiesci...

  • JimV19 | July 17, 2009 at 8:27 am |

    [quote comment=”340600″]..and followed Fantastic Voyage with the late 60’s British sci-fi favorite, Gerry Anderson’s UFO.
    Another great..uni.

    http://www.sixtiesci...

    Loved that show!

  • Shayne M | July 17, 2009 at 8:31 am |

    Snicker if you want but one of the nicest looking uniform match-ups in happened in the CFl last night. Football uniforms deserve to be understated as it just allows the violent beauty of the game to stand out that much more.
    http://cfl.ca/

  • denis | July 17, 2009 at 8:38 am |

    Did anyone grab a screen shot of the AAA All Star game. The one catcher had a brimless cap on.

  • JERRY | July 17, 2009 at 8:58 am |

    re: THE ERNIE BANKS CAP QUESTION – IN THE LATE 50s, some players used a “helmet liner” under the cap, rather than an outside batting helmet.