Check Your Head

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We all know there are several MLB teams that have inconsistent logo sets. The “D” on the Tigers’ cap is different from the one on their jersey, the Yankees have several different “NY” treatments, and so on.

But until a few days ago, I didn’t realize (or maybe had just forgotten) that the A’s also fall into this category. They have two different treatments of their stylized “A” (note the differences in the “feet” and the apostrophes, among other subtle distinctions). Oddly, both logo treatments show up on the team’s home page banner. Even odder, they use one version on their caps and the other on their helmets. So the A’s don’t just have an inconsistent logo program; they have an inconsistent headwear logo program.

I hadn’t thought about any of this until reader Mark Halling pointed out that Jason Giambi had recently been wearing the cap version of the logo on his helmet. “He’s been wearing it for at least the past two or three weeks,” Mark wrote to me. “And he’s clearly the only one on the team wearing it.”

So yesterday afternoon I forwarded Mark’s observation to A’s equipment manager Steve Vucinich. “You may have finally ‘gotten’ me,” he wrote back. “My entire staff was in my office when I read your e-mail. Nobody had any idea about this. A batboy retrieved Giambi’s helmet and then checked with everyone else’s. We just checked about 100 helmets. That’s the ONLY one!”

I asked Steve if he had any insights as to how this could have happened, but at that point he had to start preparing for last night’s game (I’ll fill you in if/when he follows up with me). And those preparations apparently included a quick decal switcheroo to Giambi’s lid, which suddenly had the helmet version of the logo for last night’s game (here’s a quick comparison). So once again, a Uni Watch reader’s observation has had a direct on-field effect.

Meanwhile, there was another notable aspect to last night’s A’s/Tigers game: With stirrup-meister Josh Outman having undergone surgery earlier in the day, Oakland’s other starting pitchers gave him a hosiery salute (although Trevor Cahill appears to have worn his stirrups backwards). And Adam Kennedy wore low-cut ’rups, although he also wore them the night before, so it might be more of a slump-buster thing than an Outman tribute. Big thanks to John Grow for those last two screen shots (and for pointing out that Adam Everett still has an orange-dotted i).

Uni Watch Stirrup Club, Round Two: Robert Marshall’s UW Stirrup Club experiment was such a success that he’s decided to do it again. This month’s offering: the classic Bosox design (which looks as good on deck as it does at the plate).

Robert will once again place the order for the whole club and then send out the individual stirrups to the club members (no small task, as you can see from last month’s shipment). But he’s changed the ordering procedures slightly this time around — for full details, look here.

Uni Watch News Ticker: Happy Canada Day to all our Canuckadian readers. Looking forward to seeing the Jays in their annual holiday duds. … Ronald Covert is so outraged at the mere thought of Brett Favre signing with Minnesota that he held a jersey bonfire. … I had previously shown this illustration of the new New Mexico football uniforms. But the actual jerseys are slightly different. Look at the size of that wordmark! Unusual number font, too (with thanks to Rob Montoya). … More about the Forbes Field exhibit at the Heinz History Center here (with thanks to Doug Keklak). … Too Much Information Dept.: Jeff Francoeur of the Braves has a set of lucky underwear. … Hey look, there’s gonna be a new sneaker. … How do you know when you’ve really lost touch with reality? When you give out a bobblehead of yourself (with thanks to John Muir). … Interesting book of silhouette designs here (thanks, Kirsten). … “Jason Varitek started Tuesday night’s Red Sox/Orioles game wearing his pants like he normally does, with the high cuffs,” writes Hilary Watkins. “After a rain delay of a little over an hour, he came to bat in the top of the sixth with his cuffs pulled down to his shoetops. Without the high cuffs he looked like a totally different person!” … Really interesting photos of an Iranian women’s softball league here (with thanks to Andrew Bradley). … Never noticed this before: Bo Jackson with a “Bo #1″ underbill inscription (with thanks to Mike Engle).

 

175 comments to Check Your Head

  • Kevin G. | July 1, 2009 at 8:58 am |

    I don’t have any screen grabs of it, but Cliff Lee’s hat was missing the button on top last night. Did anyone else notice this? I wonder how long he’s been wearing that hat.

  • John | July 1, 2009 at 9:06 am |

    Man, the Iranian hardliners must just LOVE that their women are playing such an American sport!

  • peter | July 1, 2009 at 9:15 am |

    Interesting little tid bit about the HEAT’s (ahl) new logo

    http://www.abbotsfor...

  • Big Al | July 1, 2009 at 9:16 am |

    That noise you hear eminating from New England is Sawx fans pinning that dreadful loss on Tek’s decision to pull his pant legs down.

  • SpfldNate | July 1, 2009 at 9:16 am |

    Springfield, MAssachusetts unveiled their new D-League team last night: The Springfield Armor.

    http://www.masslive....

    The name has historical significance. There’s an old armory in town that was a huge source of income during the early part of this century.

    In an unrelated note, there’s a Smith and Wesson factory also in Springfield.

  • Roger Faso | July 1, 2009 at 9:20 am |

    Hi Paul,

    The “A” on the helmet is not the same “A” in the logo. They switched to that logo around ’95 … ’96. That wonky “A” on the helmet has been there since ’72 … when it actually matched the “A” on the jersey.

    It’s cornfused me for years.

    Roger

  • War Damn Eagle | July 1, 2009 at 9:21 am |

    I think the Nats’ fans are about to have an upgrade in their viewing experience now that Nyjer Morgan has been traded to them from Pittsburgh. Can’t wait to see the home red stirrups.

  • Rob Ullman | July 1, 2009 at 9:28 am |

    [quote comment="337520"]I think the Nats’ fans are about to have an upgrade in their viewing experience now that Nyjer Morgan has been traded to them from Pittsburgh. Can’t wait to see the home red stirrups.[/quote]

    Amen to that. From a baseball standpoint, this could turn out to be a good trade for me Buccos…but from an aesthetic angle, it sucks to lose one of the only MLBers who doesn’t look like he’s wearing pajama bottoms on the field!

  • War Damn Eagle | July 1, 2009 at 9:33 am |

    I think a lot of the news reports (and ESPN) got the Francoeur underwear story wrong – he doesn’t wear the turkey underwear during the game – he just wears them with his street clothes on the way to the ballpark.

  • el scotto | July 1, 2009 at 9:34 am |

    re: New Mexico’s jerseys…

    I swear I have seen the wordmark font on another jersey. I want to say Air Force but I can’t find anything.

    And those numbers aren’t too unusual. They are very similar to those on the Broncos’ uniforms. Although on some of their numbers the Broncos have a bit more decoration. (For lack of a better term)

  • Kek | July 1, 2009 at 9:43 am |

    JimV19, you offered in comment #150 yesterday: “I’d almost welcome back those dreaded pillbox hats in return for a winning season.” regarding the Pirates’ trade of Nyjer Morgan.

    You may be onto something. When I orignally wrote the piece for UW on the ’79 World Series, once I finished capping the games, I did some statistical analysis. I opted to not put this in the submission to Paul because the post was already lengthy enough, but here goes:

    The Pirates were 654-581 in the mix-and-match era (1977-1984). The team had an average record of 81.75 wins and 72.625 loss per year and in that time they only suffered two losing seasons, one of which was the strike-shortened 1981.

    On the other hand, from 1985-2008, the team is 1753-2063 for an average record of 73.04166667 wins and 85.95833333 losses. They only have had four winning seasons in that time period (1988 and the 90-92 run).

    There you have it!!!

    Now, I must state that my analysis was about the mix-and-match unis. If you’re talking about the pillbox hats, you must remember they wore them, along with other NL teams, in 1976 (92-70 in Murtaugh’s last year, man, he would have looked ridiculous in some of those combos had he stayed around) and also, for two years after they ditched the mix-and-match (’85 and ’86) they wore them with the gray roads.

    It’s funny because in the spirit of Paul’s Page 2 piece yesterday, by ’87 I was glad that they went back to a traditional crown because the pillbox look was quite dated. Now, I’d go back to it in a heartbeat.

    Say what you will about poor management/ownership, players that didn’t perform, etc, etc, but I think there is a direct correlation with the demise of my ballclub and their ditching of my beloved mix-and-match and pillboxes!!!!

    (Feel free to tell me what a geek I am and how I have too much time on my hands, etc, etc!)

  • mao | July 1, 2009 at 9:45 am |

    Meant to post this up last week, but here’s another logo that can go into the set with hidden messages/designs: Portland State University. PSU.

    http://www.embassyof...

  • Ricko | July 1, 2009 at 9:51 am |

    Late last night (early this a.m.?) caught Orioles highlights and saw that Oriole catcher’s bright orange helmet for the first time.

    Fun. But different. Makes him look like a giant Motrin tablet with legs.

    —Ricko

  • Greg B. | July 1, 2009 at 9:52 am |

    You guys are seeing something I’m not seeing in regard to the A’s logos. I can see that the “s” is bigger on the caps than on the helmets, but the rest of what you are talking about just doesn’t come thru for me in the photos of the actual caps and helmets. Sorry.

  • TommyD | July 1, 2009 at 9:53 am |

    The A’s should drop the ‘s on the hat ala their roots in Philadelphia

    http://exhibits.base...

  • Hibbs | July 1, 2009 at 9:56 am |

    [quote comment="337523"]re: New Mexico’s jerseys…

    I swear I have seen the wordmark font on another jersey. I want to say Air Force but I can’t find anything.

    And those numbers aren’t too unusual. They are very similar to those on the Broncos’ uniforms. Although on some of their numbers the Broncos have a bit more decoration. (For lack of a better term)[/quote]

    The Broncos took that # font from the Fisher Price “See and Spell” I had as a kid. I think it was called See and Spell.

  • Rudy | July 1, 2009 at 9:56 am |

    I think that helmet Giambi wears might just be a real old helmet that the team has stored for years

  • Hibbs | July 1, 2009 at 10:00 am |

    [quote comment="337529"][quote comment="337523"]re: New Mexico’s jerseys…

    I swear I have seen the wordmark font on another jersey. I want to say Air Force but I can’t find anything.

    And those numbers aren’t too unusual. They are very similar to those on the Broncos’ uniforms. Although on some of their numbers the Broncos have a bit more decoration. (For lack of a better term)[/quote]

    The Broncos took that # font from the Fisher Price “See and Spell” I had as a kid. I think it was called See and Spell.[/quote]
    You know, with the magnetic letters and numbers. Circa early 1970’s.

  • Big Al | July 1, 2009 at 10:05 am |

    [quote comment="337526"]Makes him look like a giant Motrin tablet with legs.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Fantastic line!

  • Stuby | July 1, 2009 at 10:07 am |

    The discrepancy that has always bugged me is the different A the Braves use on their batting helmet:

    http://gunsmokemafia...

    It is much fatter and the shape is completely different from the logo on the cap:

    http://media.scout.c...

  • Christopher | July 1, 2009 at 10:21 am |

    The Detroit missing i-dot got me thinking. And this is probably UniWatch 101 here, but:

    Do MLB players only have one uniform each? I mean, for the budgets and salaries involved, if I were a player I would want 2-3 uniforms.

    Heck, my two-person business has multiple shirts each for trade shows and the like.

  • HC | July 1, 2009 at 10:23 am |

    Maybe Giambi’s old helmet decal is the version for steroid/HGH users with their bigger heads.

  • JimV19 | July 1, 2009 at 10:23 am |

    [quote comment="337523"]re: New Mexico’s jerseys…

    And those numbers aren’t too unusual. They are very similar to those on the Broncos’ uniforms. Although on some of their numbers the Broncos have a bit more decoration. (For lack of a better term)[/quote]

    And they’ve been around for a while. They look like this: http://tbn0.google.c... don’t they? I think some schools in the ’50s had those numbers as well.

  • Ricko | July 1, 2009 at 10:30 am |

    [quote comment="337530"]I think that helmet Giambi wears might just be a real old helmet that the team has stored for years[/quote]

    A few things…

    1. Back in the day—talking the late ’50s, early ’60s now— there was not necessarily a technological way to perfectly reproduce a fabric pattern for a decal master. That meant someone had to recreate (meaning draw) it from a visual reference. The new version was rarely perfect.

    2. The visual aspect of the game (TV close ups, telephoto lenses) weren’t so critical. So, as in grenade throwing, close was good enough. Only the fans in the first few rows could see the difference.

    3. Also in them olden days, decals were pretty fragile. The narrower the area, the more trouble it was to apply, and the more likely it would be to peel or crack (less available area for bonding to the helmet). Hence, many teams’ helmet logos (especially if the original was “thin”) were “fatter.” Tigers, A’s, Reds, Indians, Phillies, Pirates come to mind. Sometimes the difference was subtle, sometimes really obvious.

    That help clear up things at all?

    –Ricko

  • Ricko | July 1, 2009 at 10:33 am |

    I didn’t mean to say Giambi’s helmet was from the ’50s. LOL

    Should have quoted the comment re: the Braves’ big fat A, I suppose, explaining that some teams seem to continue the fatter versions just because they’ve been that way for so long it’s become a de facto tradition.

    —Ricko

  • Troy | July 1, 2009 at 10:41 am |

    Very cool to see Iranian women participating in softball but kinda of a bummer to see the 2006 all-star wearing men’s shoes. Is it me or do photos #3 and #4 look like she’s wearing clown shoes?

  • leon | July 1, 2009 at 10:43 am |

    In an unrelated note, there’s a Smith and Wesson factory also in Springfield.

    The Oilers?

  • JimV19 | July 1, 2009 at 10:44 am |

    [quote comment="337524"]JimV19, you offered in comment #150 yesterday: “I’d almost welcome back those dreaded pillbox hats in return for a winning season.” regarding the Pirates’ trade of Nyjer Morgan.

    You may be onto something. When I orignally wrote the piece for UW on the ’79 World Series, once I finished capping the games, I did some statistical analysis. I opted to not put this in the submission to Paul because the post was already lengthy enough, but here goes:

    The Pirates were 654-581 in the mix-and-match era (1977-1984). The team had an average record of 81.75 wins and 72.625 loss per year and in that time they only suffered two losing seasons, one of which was the strike-shortened 1981.

    On the other hand, from 1985-2008, the team is 1753-2063 for an average record of 73.04166667 wins and 85.95833333 losses. They only have had four winning seasons in that time period (1988 and the 90-92 run).

    There you have it!!!

    Now, I must state that my analysis was about the mix-and-match unis. If you’re talking about the pillbox hats, you must remember they wore them, along with other NL teams, in 1976 (92-70 in Murtaugh’s last year, man, he would have looked ridiculous in some of those combos had he stayed around) and also, for two years after they ditched the mix-and-match (’85 and ’86) they wore them with the gray roads.

    It’s funny because in the spirit of Paul’s Page 2 piece yesterday, by ’87 I was glad that they went back to a traditional crown because the pillbox look was quite dated. Now, I’d go back to it in a heartbeat.

    Say what you will about poor management/ownership, players that didn’t perform, etc, etc, but I think there is a direct correlation with the demise of my ballclub and their ditching of my beloved mix-and-match and pillboxes!!!!

    (Feel free to tell me what a geek I am and how I have too much time on my hands, etc, etc!)[/quote]

    On the contrary, great work! I’d love a compromise: bring back the mix-and-match unis but keep the current lids.

    Actually, this is my favorite look: http://i.cdn.turner.... (favorite player, too). Probably because that was my first experience with baseball, but I always felt it was a good mix of modern and classic. But I’d love to see that hat in yellow-gold with the mix-and-matches.

    At this point, though, they can switch to Penguins classic blue, or keep the Homestead Grays unis, or use a script Pitt logo (since Pitt isn’t using it), or wear the pillbox hats. I’m open to almost anything.

    Hmmm, I like the script Pitt idea…

  • Ricko | July 1, 2009 at 10:45 am |

    [quote comment="337537"][quote comment="337523"]re: New Mexico’s jerseys…

    And those numbers aren’t too unusual. They are very similar to those on the Broncos’ uniforms. Although on some of their numbers the Broncos have a bit more decoration. (For lack of a better term)[/quote]

    And they’ve been around for a while. They look like this: http://tbn0.google.c... don’t they? I think some schools in the ’50s had those numbers as well.[/quote]

    Cal in early ’60s, Steelers and PItt in late ’50s had numbers like the Huskies (Sixkiller and before, going back at least to late ’50s with one-eyed QB Bob Schloret and the Rose Bowl team that, oh woe, upset Minnesota).

  • leon | July 1, 2009 at 10:48 am |

    one-eyed QB Bob Schloret

    soft-tossing bp aren’t we?

  • anotherguy | July 1, 2009 at 10:52 am |

    [quote comment="337544"]Jeff Francoeur of the Braves has a set of lucky underwear.[/quote]Some days even my lucky rocket ship underwear doesn’t help.

  • JimV19 | July 1, 2009 at 10:56 am |

    [quote comment="337546"][quote comment="337544"]Jeff Francoeur of the Braves has a set of lucky underwear.[/quote]Some days even my lucky rocket ship underwear doesn’t help.[/quote]

    Annie Savoy has a suggestion. She helped Nuke LaLoosh, after all…

  • anotherguy | July 1, 2009 at 10:57 am |

    [quote comment="337544"]…one-eyed QB…[/quote]
    The Bears had a QB with one and a half eyes, does that count?

    And a Bears cornerback lost one of his… well, let’s just say he didn’t need as much of a jockstrap after that particular game.

  • Jim Bullard | July 1, 2009 at 11:00 am |

    Paul,

    Great article on ESPN yesterday, very enjoyable read.

    You mentioned at the top that the Yankees have several different “NY” treatments, what are these different treatments?

  • Ricko | July 1, 2009 at 11:00 am |

    [quote comment="337545"]one-eyed QB Bob Schloret

    soft-tossing bp aren’t we?[/quote]

    Back then, much was made of that. How he adjusted with limited depth perception, etc. Wasn’t a putdown at all, was more about how he managed it.

    And I apologize, it’s Schloredt. Forgot the d.

  • anotherguy | July 1, 2009 at 11:00 am |

    [quote comment="337540"]… the Braves’ big fat A…[/quote]I don’t know who this is on the Braves, but on the Brewers it’s Prince Fielder.

  • Jeff | July 1, 2009 at 11:00 am |

    Two points: 1)Giambi is a stickler for holding onto the same piece of equipment or clothes-the man wears one pair of uni pants all season (and the other night they were falling apart) and 2) Raise you hands if you see the irony in Francoeur having Turkey lucky underwear (I’m betting Bobby Cox gets it!)…

  • anotherguy | July 1, 2009 at 11:01 am |

    [quote comment="337522"]I think a lot of the news reports (and ESPN) got the Francoeur underwear story wrong – he doesn’t wear the turkey underwear during the game – he just wears them with his street clothes on the way to the ballpark.[/quote]
    Either way, this is definitely TMI for me.

  • Ricko | July 1, 2009 at 11:03 am |

    [quote comment="337548"][quote comment="337544"]…one-eyed QB…[/quote]
    The Bears had a QB with one and a half eyes, does that count?

    And a Bears cornerback lost one of his… well, let’s just say he didn’t need as much of a jockstrap after that particular game.[/quote]

    Virgil Livers. Had to have his left one removed.
    We used the UPI story as the lead item in a league notes section of Viking Report. Story began with the surgeon explaining the injury, et all.
    It was about 2 a.m. and we were on deadline. I was slap happy and in a “what the hell” mood. The headline we ran was (honest)…
    Chicago Doctor Awarded Game Ball

    —Ricko

  • Brick | July 1, 2009 at 11:04 am |

    My brother-in-law and his wife considered bobbleheads as wedding favors but they were too expensive. It’s a little but indulgent, but very far from Michael Jackson territory.

  • Ricko | July 1, 2009 at 11:06 am |

    Iowa State Fair will immortalize Michael Jackson in butter this year.

    (I now leave the face-melting jokes to y’all).

  • anotherguy | July 1, 2009 at 11:07 am |

    [quote comment="337518"]Springfield, MAssachusetts unveiled their new D-League team last night: The Springfield Armor.[/quote]

    Hot Dogs
    Armor Hot Dogs
    What kind of kids eat Armor Hot Dogs??

    (I know it’s Armour: just go with me on this one, okay?)

  • Mike Engle | July 1, 2009 at 11:09 am |

    This picture was from the Ticker:
    http://photos-h.ak.f...
    Holy shit, the guy in the back is covering his Swoosh with a name tag! Expect him to have his scholarship revoked immediately.

  • anotherguy | July 1, 2009 at 11:10 am |

    [quote comment="337554"]Chicago Doctor Awarded Game Ball[/quote]SI cover during the World Cup that was held here in the US featured the typical pose of the defenders when the opponents have a free kick: the caption was “Having a ball”.

  • Ricko | July 1, 2009 at 11:10 am |

    Bob Schloredt and those numbers….

    http://vault.sportsi...

    —Ricko

  • LI Phil | July 1, 2009 at 11:12 am |

    [quote]Some days even my lucky rocket ship underwear doesn’t help[/quote]

    im guessing today’s one of those days

  • Korch | July 1, 2009 at 11:13 am |

    The adidas branding has been removed from the Pitt merchandise website. Adidas gear is still there. So the rumor is probably true about the switchover starting today to Nike. Checked yesterday and the adidas branding was listed prominently.

  • anotherguy | July 1, 2009 at 11:14 am |

    [quote comment="337558"]Holy shit, the guy in the back is covering his Swoosh with a name tag! Expect him to have his scholarship revoked immediately.[/quote]
    The interesting part about that pic is the idea that the players NEED name tags. Who’s at that presser? Shouldn’t it primarily be people who cover NM football year-round? Shouldn’t the models mostly be the NM stars and/or senior players? But you felt the need for the “Hello, my name is…” sticker?

  • JTH | July 1, 2009 at 11:17 am |

    [quote comment="337549"]Paul,

    Great article on ESPN yesterday, very enjoyable read.

    You mentioned at the top that the Yankees have several different “NY” treatments, what are these different treatments?[/quote]
    The cap, helmet and jersey all have distinctly different logos.

    And I think the logo they use on official stationery and whatnot is even different from all three of those.

  • leon | July 1, 2009 at 11:22 am |

    Virgil Livers. Had to have his left one removed.

    Heard he was tackled by steve stonebreaker.

    one-eyed QB Bob Schloret

    Heard he was blind-sided a lot.

  • anotherguy | July 1, 2009 at 11:23 am |

    [quote comment="337565"]Heard he was blind-sided a lot.[/quote]
    Ya should have seen that boy throw a crossing pattern….

  • leon | July 1, 2009 at 11:25 am |

    [quote comment="337566"][quote comment="337565"]Heard he was blind-sided a lot.[/quote]
    Ya should have seen that boy throw a crossing pattern….[/quote]

    saved money on eye-black

  • JTH | July 1, 2009 at 11:26 am |

    [quote comment="337564"][quote comment="337549"]Paul,

    Great article on ESPN yesterday, very enjoyable read.

    You mentioned at the top that the Yankees have several different “NY” treatments, what are these different treatments?[/quote]
    The cap, helmet and jersey all have distinctly different logos.

    And I think the logo they use on official stationery and whatnot is even different from all three of those.[/quote]
    On-field logo — old and new: most closely resembles the cap logo, but not an exact match.

  • Kek | July 1, 2009 at 11:26 am |

    [quote comment="337562"]The adidas branding has been removed from the Pitt merchandise website. Adidas gear is still there. So the rumor is probably true about the switchover starting today to Nike. Checked yesterday and the adidas branding was listed prominently.[/quote]
    http://www.shoppittp...
    Interesting, when I first went to the site, the Adidas logo was still there but when I hovered the mouse the link was to a Nike page.

    I refreshed the page and the nike swoosh was where the adidas logo was.

    Where does UA figure in all this? They never made any on-field stuff, as far as I know, so will they still market Pitt gear?

  • Kek | July 1, 2009 at 11:27 am |

    [quote comment="337543"][quote comment="337524"]JimV19, you offered in comment #150 yesterday: “I’d almost welcome back those dreaded pillbox hats in return for a winning season.” regarding the Pirates’ trade of Nyjer Morgan.

    You may be onto something. When I orignally wrote the piece for UW on the ’79 World Series, once I finished capping the games, I did some statistical analysis. I opted to not put this in the submission to Paul because the post was already lengthy enough, but here goes:

    The Pirates were 654-581 in the mix-and-match era (1977-1984). The team had an average record of 81.75 wins and 72.625 loss per year and in that time they only suffered two losing seasons, one of which was the strike-shortened 1981.

    On the other hand, from 1985-2008, the team is 1753-2063 for an average record of 73.04166667 wins and 85.95833333 losses. They only have had four winning seasons in that time period (1988 and the 90-92 run).

    There you have it!!!

    Now, I must state that my analysis was about the mix-and-match unis. If you’re talking about the pillbox hats, you must remember they wore them, along with other NL teams, in 1976 (92-70 in Murtaugh’s last year, man, he would have looked ridiculous in some of those combos had he stayed around) and also, for two years after they ditched the mix-and-match (’85 and ’86) they wore them with the gray roads.

    It’s funny because in the spirit of Paul’s Page 2 piece yesterday, by ’87 I was glad that they went back to a traditional crown because the pillbox look was quite dated. Now, I’d go back to it in a heartbeat.

    Say what you will about poor management/ownership, players that didn’t perform, etc, etc, but I think there is a direct correlation with the demise of my ballclub and their ditching of my beloved mix-and-match and pillboxes!!!!

    (Feel free to tell me what a geek I am and how I have too much time on my hands, etc, etc!)[/quote]

    On the contrary, great work! I’d love a compromise: bring back the mix-and-match unis but keep the current lids.

    Actually, this is my favorite look: http://i.cdn.turner.... (favorite player, too). Probably because that was my first experience with baseball, but I always felt it was a good mix of modern and classic. But I’d love to see that hat in yellow-gold with the mix-and-matches.

    At this point, though, they can switch to Penguins classic blue, or keep the Homestead Grays unis, or use a script Pitt logo (since Pitt isn’t using it), or wear the pillbox hats. I’m open to almost anything.

    Hmmm, I like the script Pitt idea…[/quote]
    Pitt script on a pillbox….someone photoshop that up!!!

    The Pitt baseball team used to use the “P” from the script logo as their hat logo and it was really sharp, much better than anything else that they’ve put their team in lately.

  • anotherguy | July 1, 2009 at 11:29 am |

    [quote comment="337567"]saved money on eye-black[/quote]Not to mention the visor.

  • leon | July 1, 2009 at 11:30 am |

    Where does UA figure in all this? They never made any on-field stuff, as far as I know, so will they still market Pitt gear?

    UA too busy striking a deal with the Springfield franchise of the NBA D-league.

  • leon | July 1, 2009 at 11:32 am |

    Not to mention the visor.

    Originator of the no-look pass.

  • JimV19 | July 1, 2009 at 11:35 am |

    [quote comment="337554"][quote comment="337548"][quote comment="337544"]…one-eyed QB…[/quote]
    The Bears had a QB with one and a half eyes, does that count?

    And a Bears cornerback lost one of his… well, let’s just say he didn’t need as much of a jockstrap after that particular game.[/quote]

    Virgil Livers. Had to have his left one removed.
    We used the UPI story as the lead item in a league notes section of Viking Report. Story began with the surgeon explaining the injury, et all.
    It was about 2 a.m. and we were on deadline. I was slap happy and in a “what the hell” mood. The headline we ran was (honest)…
    Chicago Doctor Awarded Game Ball

    —Ricko[/quote]

    …deflated as it was. It took a few big ones to run that headline!

    I knew Virgil Livers from the Chicago Blitz, but that was it. So I looked him up and found this: http://sports.espn.g...

    Can you believe no one in the NFL wears a cup now? Heck I’d wear one for table tennis. You laugh, but I was playing ping pong during college and this girl hit one back at me so fast I missed…but it got me in just the right spot and I went down.

  • leon | July 1, 2009 at 11:39 am |

    I knew Virgil Livers from the Chicago Blitz, but that was it. So I looked him up and found this: http://sports.espn.g

    the “mangled orb” -now that’s some pulitzer stuff!

  • JimV19 | July 1, 2009 at 11:39 am |

    Oops, the link to the cup story was for the second page (of a Page 2 column at that…)

    Here’s the beginning of the story: http://sports.espn.g...

  • SteveSmith | July 1, 2009 at 11:43 am |

    What diferent logos do the Tigers have?

  • leon | July 1, 2009 at 11:45 am |

    Bob Schloredt and those numbers….

    NCAA ruled he had to wear “15”, disallowing his first choice: “1-i”.

  • Jim | July 1, 2009 at 11:51 am |

    [quote comment="337543"][quote comment="337524"]JimV19, you offered in comment #150 yesterday: “I’d almost welcome back those dreaded pillbox hats in return for a winning season.” regarding the Pirates’ trade of Nyjer Morgan.

    You may be onto something. When I orignally wrote the piece for UW on the ’79 World Series, once I finished capping the games, I did some statistical analysis. I opted to not put this in the submission to Paul because the post was already lengthy enough, but here goes:

    The Pirates were 654-581 in the mix-and-match era (1977-1984). The team had an average record of 81.75 wins and 72.625 loss per year and in that time they only suffered two losing seasons, one of which was the strike-shortened 1981.

    On the other hand, from 1985-2008, the team is 1753-2063 for an average record of 73.04166667 wins and 85.95833333 losses. They only have had four winning seasons in that time period (1988 and the 90-92 run).

    There you have it!!!

    Now, I must state that my analysis was about the mix-and-match unis. If you’re talking about the pillbox hats, you must remember they wore them, along with other NL teams, in 1976 (92-70 in Murtaugh’s last year, man, he would have looked ridiculous in some of those combos had he stayed around) and also, for two years after they ditched the mix-and-match (’85 and ’86) they wore them with the gray roads.

    It’s funny because in the spirit of Paul’s Page 2 piece yesterday, by ’87 I was glad that they went back to a traditional crown because the pillbox look was quite dated. Now, I’d go back to it in a heartbeat.

    Say what you will about poor management/ownership, players that didn’t perform, etc, etc, but I think there is a direct correlation with the demise of my ballclub and their ditching of my beloved mix-and-match and pillboxes!!!!

    (Feel free to tell me what a geek I am and how I have too much time on my hands, etc, etc!)[/quote]

    On the contrary, great work! I’d love a compromise: bring back the mix-and-match unis but keep the current lids.

    Actually, this is my favorite look: http://i.cdn.turner.... (favorite player, too). Probably because that was my first experience with baseball, but I always felt it was a good mix of modern and classic. But I’d love to see that hat in yellow-gold with the mix-and-matches.

    At this point, though, they can switch to Penguins classic blue, or keep the Homestead Grays unis, or use a script Pitt logo (since Pitt isn’t using it), or wear the pillbox hats. I’m open to almost anything.

    Hmmm, I like the script Pitt idea…[/quote]

    I also liked that look, especially the “mustard” hats. Something classy about the look. If memory serves, they went to a more yellow hat in the mid-70’s

  • mike 2 | July 1, 2009 at 11:52 am |

    [quote comment="337577"]What diferent logos do the Tigers have?[/quote]

    The “D” on the home jersey is completely different from the “D” on the cap. There was an entire column on this a while ago. s

  • LI Phil | July 1, 2009 at 11:54 am |

    quick, dirty, and not particularly good, douggie…

    but here

  • JimV19 | July 1, 2009 at 11:55 am |

    [quote comment="337581"]quick, dirty, and not particularly good, douggie…

    but here[/quote]

    But it serves its purpose! How about on a Pirates uni, now??

  • Big Al | July 1, 2009 at 11:56 am |

    [quote comment="337576"]Oops, the link to the cup story was for the second page (of a Page 2 column at that…)

    Here’s the beginning of the story: http://sports.espn.g...
    I hated when ESPN went to that multi-page scenario. Here is the single page view –>

    http://sports.espn.g...

    (Complete with a pic of Roethlisberger from his Miami of Ohio days…)

    [quote comment="337574"]Heck I’d wear one for table tennis. You laugh, but I was playing ping pong during college and this girl hit one back at me so fast I missed…but it got me in just the right spot and I went down.[/quote]
    I gotta call bull$hit on that.

  • Brandon Davis | July 1, 2009 at 11:59 am |

    Giambi has been wearing that helmet all season, it was also pointed out in the comments on April 7: http://www.uniwatchb...

    I have never seen the A’s use the cap-style logo on the helmets before so I don’t think that this is just an old helmet that’s been lying around.
    I actually prefer the cap logo, it’s a cleaner design than the truncated helmet logo.

  • JimV19 | July 1, 2009 at 11:59 am |

    [quote comment="337579"][quote comment="337543"][quote comment="337524"]quote]

    I also liked that look, especially the “mustard” hats. Something classy about the look. If memory serves, they went to a more yellow hat in the mid-70’s[/quote]

    Yeah, I think the retro hats they make now have a little too much mustard in them. I think in person the originals were more yellow, but they didn’t always show up like that in photos.

  • anotherguy | July 1, 2009 at 12:02 pm |

    [quote comment="337574"]… but I was playing ping pong during college and this girl hit one back at me so fast I missed…but it got me in just the right spot and I went down.[/quote]THAT old one. It never works.

    I’ve tried it numerous times and no girl has ever came over to…

  • JimV19 | July 1, 2009 at 12:03 pm |

    [quote comment="337583"][quote comment="337576"]

    [quote comment="337574"]Heck I’d wear one for table tennis. You laugh, but I was playing ping pong during college and this girl hit one back at me so fast I missed…but it got me in just the right spot and I went down.[/quote]
    I gotta call bull$hit on that.[/quote]

    Granted, the extent of the injury was nowhere as bad as Virgil Livers’ and I got back up quickly, but it still hurt…

  • Stuby | July 1, 2009 at 12:05 pm |

    [quote comment="337580"][quote comment="337577"]What diferent logos do the Tigers have?[/quote]

    The “D” on the home jersey is completely different from the “D” on the cap. There was an entire column on this a while ago. s[/quote]
    Here’s a shot of Kirk Gibson’s helmet at the HOF from the ’84 season. It has a D that I had never seen before (sorry about the crappy photography skills)…

    http://farm3.static....

  • Kek | July 1, 2009 at 12:07 pm |

    [quote comment="337581"]quick, dirty, and not particularly good, douggie…

    but here[/quote]
    Thanks Phil. That could be my mini icon for other message boards!!!

  • Ricko | July 1, 2009 at 12:12 pm |

    [quote comment="337585"][quote comment="337579"][quote comment="337543"][quote comment="337524"]quote]

    I also liked that look, especially the “mustard” hats. Something classy about the look. If memory serves, they went to a more yellow hat in the mid-70’s[/quote]

    Yeah, I think the retro hats they make now have a little too much mustard in them. I think in person the originals were more yellow, but they didn’t always show up like that in photos.[/quote]

    No, they were quite mustard (as in poupon), indeed. When you dig around the SI Vault archives or watch vids of the W-S against the Orioles the first time (not ’79, or course) you see they were anything but yellow-gold. Most definitely a lot of green/brown in there.

    We’d probably communicate it better if we called it “non-metallic old gold”. That’s more accurate than “mustard” (especially cuz there’s that really yellow mustard out there slathered all over hot dogs).

    —Ricko

  • Stuby | July 1, 2009 at 12:19 pm |

    I love this pic. Three different variations of the D in one picture: Cap, collar, jersey.

    http://detroit.tiger...

  • Kek | July 1, 2009 at 12:20 pm |

    [quote comment="337585"][quote comment="337579"][quote comment="337543"][quote comment="337524"]quote]

    I also liked that look, especially the “mustard” hats. Something classy about the look. If memory serves, they went to a more yellow hat in the mid-70’s[/quote]

    Yeah, I think the retro hats they make now have a little too much mustard in them. I think in person the originals were more yellow, but they didn’t always show up like that in photos.[/quote]
    Spot on. Also, the first pillbox in ’76 was more mustard because it was made for the original double knits which were more mustard. (I agree that the replicas are too mustard).

    On the flip side, when the mix-and-matches came on board, the yellow was much brighter than what is now sold as a throwback cap.

    I’ve linked to this photo before, but check it out:

    http://m214.photobuc...

    The middle bobblehead is more mustard, Parker bobblehead on the right is bright yellow (true to those unis) whereas my hat is somewhere in the middle, but of a shade that they never really wore

  • JimV19 | July 1, 2009 at 12:21 pm |

    [quote comment="337590"][quote comment="337585"][quote comment="337579"][quote comment="337543"][quote comment="337524"]quote]
    We’d probably communicate it better if we called it “non-metallic old gold”. That’s more accurate than “mustard” (especially cuz there’s that really yellow mustard out there slathered all over hot dogs).

    —Ricko[/quote]

    That’s the kind they serve in Pittsburgh. You can’t get stadium mustard there (unless they’ve changed that recently), but you used to get stadium mustard hats while eating yellow mustard hot dogs.

  • Ricko | July 1, 2009 at 12:23 pm |

    [quote comment="337593"][quote comment="337590"][quote comment="337585"][quote comment="337579"][quote comment="337543"][quote comment="337524"]quote]
    We’d probably communicate it better if we called it “non-metallic old gold”. That’s more accurate than “mustard” (especially cuz there’s that really yellow mustard out there slathered all over hot dogs).

    —Ricko[/quote]

    That’s the kind they serve in Pittsburgh. You can’t get stadium mustard there (unless they’ve changed that recently), but you used to get stadium mustard hats while eating yellow mustard hot dogs.[/quote]

    Those Pirates hats (and the uni trim) were more the color of the gold Vandy hoops jersey shown in the banner ad here.
    http://vucommodores....

    —Ricko

  • leon | July 1, 2009 at 12:24 pm |

    why not call it “Gulden”?

  • anotherguy | July 1, 2009 at 12:24 pm |

    [quote comment="337587"]…and I got back up quickly…[/quote]No pun intented, I take it?

  • anotherguy | July 1, 2009 at 12:25 pm |

    [quote comment="337596"][quote comment="337587"]…and I got back up quickly…[/quote]No pun intented, I take it?[/quote]
    Or intended.

    I hate it when I do that. :-(

  • Broadway Connie | July 1, 2009 at 12:27 pm |

    [quote comment="337528"]The A’s should drop the ‘s on the hat ala their roots in Philadelphia

    http://exhibits.base...

    YES!!

  • MPowers1634 | July 1, 2009 at 12:30 pm |

    Air Jordan VI Retro…Huge news in my world.

    They originall cam out in 1991.

    The summer before ninth grade, I went out an got my first job cleaning up a service station to buy those. Who knew that bees didn’t like carburetor cleaner?

    I hated the job so much that on my lunch break I would go out searching for a new job.

    One of the proudest moments of my life was purchaseing those kicks with the money that I had worked for.

  • MPowers1634 | July 1, 2009 at 12:31 pm |

    [quote comment="337599"]Air Jordan VI Retro…Huge news in my world.

    They original came out in 1991.

    The summer before ninth grade, I went out and got my first job cleaning up a service station to buy those. Who knew that bees didn’t like carburetor cleaner?

    I hated the job so much that on my lunch break I would go out searching for a new job.

    One of the proudest moments of my life was purchasing those kicks with the money that I had worked for.[/quote]

    We SO need an edit button.

  • LI Phil | July 1, 2009 at 12:46 pm |

    [quote comment="337582"][quote comment="337581"]quick, dirty, and not particularly good, douggie…

    but here[/quote]

    But it serves its purpose! How about on a Pirates uni, now??[/quote]

    even quicker and dirtier

    here ya go

  • Bob A | July 1, 2009 at 12:48 pm |

    [quote comment="337563"][quote comment="337558"]Holy shit, the guy in the back is covering his Swoosh with a name tag! Expect him to have his scholarship revoked immediately.[/quote]
    The interesting part about that pic is the idea that the players NEED name tags. Who’s at that presser? Shouldn’t it primarily be people who cover NM football year-round? Shouldn’t the models mostly be the NM stars and/or senior players? But you felt the need for the “Hello, my name is…” sticker?[/quote]

    The first thing I noticed in that picture is that one guy is actually smiling. Imagine that… a football player in a posed pic that not trying to look angry.

  • Kek | July 1, 2009 at 12:48 pm |

    If I may delve into the cup conversation, I don’t find it odd that football players don’t wear cups at all. In the six years of my playing football through junior high and high schools (late 80s/early 90s) I only heard of one guy in our school that ever attempt to wear a cup and it didn’t last one quarter. Too uncomfortable.

    On the flipside, in my 20-plus years of playing baseball and softball, I don’t think I ever (and I mean EVER) went without a cup. This probably started when I first started catching and stuck with me to other positions in both sports. I’m almost positive that I was the only guy that even thought of wearing a cup on my old slowpitch team.

    I think a lot of the football non-wearing has to do with the pants and change of material. Football pants today are like spandex whereas baseball (even pre-pajama days) offer a little more room to accomodate the equipment.

    Maybe back in the day when Chuck Bednarik was roaming both sides of the field and the material was different, it was easier to wear a cup but now, i don’t think so.

  • JSS | July 1, 2009 at 12:51 pm |

    Pitt did officially switch today from Adidas to Nike, but I have also heard that there will be no formal announcement until around July 14 because they are working on re-working the logos…

    Love the Script Pitt!!!

  • JSS | July 1, 2009 at 12:53 pm |

    Phil, how about a mock up of Pitt football going back to traditional uniform look, but with current colors?

  • Juggernaut | July 1, 2009 at 12:54 pm |

    [quote comment="337517"]That noise you hear eminating from New England is Sawx fans pinning that dreadful loss on Tek’s decision to pull his pant legs down.[/quote]

    I usually blame it on Tek’s overall general sucktitude. He’s awful to watch.

  • rpm | July 1, 2009 at 1:07 pm |

    grow’s left 4″ stirrup is backwards too.
    mention to the equipment manager that he should instruct them…you wear them like a team photo, short in the from tall in the back.

  • LI Phil | July 1, 2009 at 1:07 pm |

    [quote comment="337606"]Phil, how about a mock up of Pitt football going back to traditional uniform look, but with current colors?[/quote]

    heh…i wish i could, but that sort of thing is far beyond any ability i might have…i actually think someone did that on these boards (or at least did a logo mixup — old pitt script logo with current colors… that i could do, but not the uni mixup, unless i could find a template, of course) …

    any of our graphic artists in residence? please give it a shot!

  • Big Al | July 1, 2009 at 1:10 pm |

    [quote comment="337603"]On the flipside, in my 20-plus years of playing baseball and softball, I don’t think I ever (and I mean EVER) went without a cup. This probably started when I first started catching and stuck with me to other positions in both sports. I’m almost positive that I was the only guy that even thought of wearing a cup on my old slowpitch team.[/quote]
    A few months ago, SI had a feature about the dangers of line drives hit back through the box. (I’m too lazy to find it in the Vault, sorry.) In the first or second paragraph, there was a mention of a cupless pitcher suffering (understatement of the year!) a lacerated testicle after taking a Manny Ramirez liner off his nuggets.

    Once I was able to open my legs again, I walked down to the basement, found my cup in a crate of miscellaneous softball stuff and threw it in my batbag. I wore the cup for my next game — only while pitching, I tried to be discreet as I reached into my wad to pull the cup out in between innings — but have not worn it since. (Of course, the fact we’ve only played one game in the last seven weeks b/c of this horse$hit Northeast weather contributes to that, but I digress…)

  • mike 2 | July 1, 2009 at 1:10 pm |

    [quote comment="337603"]If I may delve into the cup conversation, I don’t find it odd that football players don’t wear cups at all. In the six years of my playing football through junior high and high schools (late 80s/early 90s) I only heard of one guy in our school that ever attempt to wear a cup and it didn’t last one quarter. Too uncomfortable.

    On the flipside, in my 20-plus years of playing baseball and softball, I don’t think I ever (and I mean EVER) went without a cup. This probably started when I first started catching and stuck with me to other positions in both sports. I’m almost positive that I was the only guy that even thought of wearing a cup on my old slowpitch team.

    I think a lot of the football non-wearing has to do with the pants and change of material. Football pants today are like spandex whereas baseball (even pre-pajama days) offer a little more room to accomodate the equipment.

    Maybe back in the day when Chuck Bednarik was roaming both sides of the field and the material was different, it was easier to wear a cup but now, i don’t think so.[/quote]

    Didn’t play football.

    I always wore a cup in the infield – I never got hit in the cup, but it gave me the confidence to go after ground balls without worrying. In the outfield, where getting a bad hop wasn’t an issue and where there was a lot more long runs. never wore one.

  • Kub | July 1, 2009 at 1:11 pm |

    anyone got a view of the Blue Jays Canada Day jerseys?

  • mike 2 | July 1, 2009 at 1:14 pm |

    Jays red uniforms look great – the bright sunshine from the open Dome really makes them look sharp.

    One aesthetic quibble – the uniform looks great with the blue and black in the Jays wordmark, but the hat is only red and white. The hat looks bland in comparison and would look way better if the hat logo also had the blue and black trim.

    http://i63.photobuck...

  • Big Al | July 1, 2009 at 1:16 pm |

    http://vault.sportsi...

    I got unlazy. The feature was about ballpark safety in general.

  • Juggernaut | July 1, 2009 at 1:16 pm |

    Almost forgot…thank you Robert for taking care of the stirrups. Got mine on Monday, just awesome. Can’t wait to bust them out at the next softball game. I’m even more excited about the Red Sox ‘rups, I think that will really go over well in my league here in Mass. These things are a beauty, so glad you stepped up on this.

  • Kek | July 1, 2009 at 1:16 pm |

    [quote comment="337609"][quote comment="337606"]Phil, how about a mock up of Pitt football going back to traditional uniform look, but with current colors?[/quote]

    heh…i wish i could, but that sort of thing is far beyond any ability i might have…i actually think someone did that on these boards (or at least did a logo mixup — old pitt script logo with current colors… that i could do, but not the uni mixup, unless i could find a template, of course) …

    any of our graphic artists in residence? please give it a shot![/quote]
    check your email

  • anotherguy | July 1, 2009 at 1:26 pm |

    [quote comment="337604"]1956 Canadian Olympic track team warm-up gear[/quote]
    Interesting belt: looks like a towel rolled up and held in place with suspenders. Early lumbar support/heat?

  • LI Phil | July 1, 2009 at 1:28 pm |

    [quote comment="337616"][quote comment="337609"][quote comment="337606"]Phil, how about a mock up of Pitt football going back to traditional uniform look, but with current colors?[/quote]

    heh…i wish i could, but that sort of thing is far beyond any ability i might have…i actually think someone did that on these boards (or at least did a logo mixup — old pitt script logo with current colors… that i could do, but not the uni mixup, unless i could find a template, of course) …

    any of our graphic artists in residence? please give it a shot![/quote]
    check your email[/quote]

    got it…thanks douggie!

    old script new colors

  • Ricko | July 1, 2009 at 1:31 pm |

    It is often forgotten that in the mid ’50s, Pitt wore royal blue jerseys and old gold helmets and pants. Always thought a version of the ’80s Blue Bombers would be a good look for the Panthers…although I suppose some would say looks too much like Faust-era Notre Dame.
    http://www.geocities...
    http://www.minorleag...

    —Ricko

  • mtjaws | July 1, 2009 at 1:37 pm |

    All of the Blue Jays have “Canada” as their NOB too.

  • JimV19 | July 1, 2009 at 1:42 pm |

    [quote comment="337601"][quote comment="337582"][quote comment="337581"]quick, dirty, and not particularly good, douggie…

    but here[/quote]

    But it serves its purpose! How about on a Pirates uni, now??[/quote]

    even quicker and dirtier

    here ya go[/quote]

    Very nice!

  • JSS | July 1, 2009 at 1:42 pm |

    Thank you very much kek, lil phil, and ricko.

    I would love if Pitt would change to this…..

  • JimV19 | July 1, 2009 at 1:46 pm |

    [quote comment="337604"]Obligatory curling photo[/quote]

    Thanks! Gotta have my obligatory curlig photo.

    If Paul deems it blog-worthy, I submitted to him my DIY curling game. No sweeping involved, but it’s still fun to play.

  • JSS | July 1, 2009 at 1:49 pm |

    Ricko:

    I am fine with Pitt staying with their current colors, though I did love the uniforms when they went throwback in 2005:
    http://www.geocities...
    http://www.geocities...
    http://www.geocities...

    I am not crazy about the very yellowish/royal blue look during the Van Pelt years:
    http://www.geocities...

  • Kyle | July 1, 2009 at 1:54 pm |

    http://www.desmoines...

    Lots of great old little league uniforms in here.

  • JimV19 | July 1, 2009 at 1:59 pm |

    [quote comment="337623"]Thank you very much kek, lil phil, and ricko.

    I would love if Pitt would change to this…..[/quote]

    Amen! And Ricko, you’re right – the Van Pelt era Pitt unis didn’t look right. Although I like those colors, it just didn’t work with Pitt. Keep the current colors but give us our script! (said the graduate of the Faust-era Akron Zips sounding like a Pitt alumnus)

  • M.Princip | July 1, 2009 at 2:07 pm |

    [quote comment="337620"]It is often forgotten that in the mid ’50s, Pitt wore royal blue jerseys and old gold helmets and pants. Always thought a version of the ’80s Blue Bombers would be a good look for the Panthers…although I suppose some would say looks too much like Faust-era Notre Dame.
    http://www.geocities...
    http://www.minorleag...

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Here’s a pic. of Jim Zorn as a Blue Bomber, which looks like he is contemplating the fact that he is in the CFL.

    Also, how about this sweet Tiger Cats jersey on ebay.

  • Mark in Shiga | July 1, 2009 at 2:13 pm |

    [quote comment="337544"][quote comment="337537"][quote comment="337523"]re: New Mexico’s jerseys…

    And those numbers aren’t too unusual. They are very similar to those on the Broncos’ uniforms. Although on some of their numbers the Broncos have a bit more decoration. (For lack of a better term)[/quote]

    And they’ve been around for a while. They look like this: http://tbn0.google.c... don’t they? I think some schools in the ’50s had those numbers as well.[/quote]

    Cal in early ’60s, Steelers and PItt in late ’50s had numbers like the Huskies (Sixkiller and before, going back at least to late ’50s with one-eyed QB Bob Schloret and the Rose Bowl team that, oh woe, upset Minnesota).[/quote]

    Can’t find a photo, but Rutgers wore them around 1996-97. An awesome look. The font has some kind of generic name, like “NCAA Gothic”. I really liked it, but then in ’97-98 RU went to a jersey that was almost a dead ringer for the 1994 49ers’ throwbacks, and those looked just as good.

  • JimV19 | July 1, 2009 at 2:14 pm |

    [quote comment="337628"][quote comment="337620"]
    Here’s a pic. of Jim Zorn as a Blue Bomber, which looks like he is contemplating the fact that he is in the CFL.

    Also, how about this sweet Tiger Cats jersey on ebay.[/quote]

    Never new Zorny went north!

    That jersey would be a great DIY project. If I had an AIG bonus I’d buy the real thing – Paul Osbaldiston was my favorite Ti-Cat.

  • Kek | July 1, 2009 at 2:41 pm |

    [quote comment="337620"]It is often forgotten that in the mid ’50s, Pitt wore royal blue jerseys and old gold helmets and pants. Always thought a version of the ’80s Blue Bombers would be a good look for the Panthers…although I suppose some would say looks too much like Faust-era Notre Dame.
    http://www.geocities...
    http://www.minorleag...

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Yeah, this was the argument I had with PG Pitt writer Paul Zeise. He was tired of hearing about the Pitt script from his emailers and always went of his way to tell us that the Pitt script is relatively new (early 70s).

    I think he thinks that the fans that like it overstate its place in Pitt lore. He feels that we talk about it like it had been around since WWII.

    What he failed to realize is, all tradition doesn’t have to be ancient. Look, the team won a national championship with that logo. Three of the greatest players in the program’s history (Dorsett, Hugh Green and Marino) wore it.

    That’s good enough for me.

  • LarryB | July 1, 2009 at 2:43 pm |

    I got the new Mozilla Firefox 3.5 the other day. I most use IE for UW. I remembered that Firefox had a text to image add on or option and I tried it again. It is great for UW as you can see all the pics without clicking on it.

    Anybody else know about the text to image function?

    And since the CFL season is near I may do more CFL screen grabs. I had been busy and on the go lately and not had the time to contribute or post as much lately.

  • JimV19 | July 1, 2009 at 2:44 pm |

    [quote comment="337597"][quote comment="337596"][quote comment="337587"]…and I got back up quickly…[/quote]No pun intented, I take it?[/quote]
    Or intended.

    I hate it when I do that. :-([/quote]

    I missed this earlier…

    It was college – I was constantly in that state; but yeah, I got off the floor quickly as well.

  • JSS | July 1, 2009 at 2:49 pm |

    [quote comment=\"337631\"][quote comment=\"337620\"]It is often forgotten that in the mid \’50s, Pitt wore royal blue jerseys and old gold helmets and pants. Always thought a version of the \’80s Blue Bombers would be a good look for the Panthers…although I suppose some would say looks too much like Faust-era Notre Dame.
    http://www.geocities...
    http://www.minorleag...

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Yeah, this was the argument I had with PG Pitt writer Paul Zeise. He was tired of hearing about the Pitt script from his emailers and always went of his way to tell us that the Pitt script is relatively new (early 70s).

    I think he thinks that the fans that like it overstate its place in Pitt lore. He feels that we talk about it like it had been around since WWII.

    What he failed to realize is, all tradition doesn\’t have to be ancient. Look, the team won a national championship with that logo. Three of the greatest players in the program\’s history (Dorsett, Hugh Green and Marino) wore it.

    That\’s good enough for me.[/quote]

    Kek:

    You are a person after my heart! I completely agree and I have been one of the emailers to Zeise about it. :) I understand that if Pitt wins, the fans will come more; but heck, why not give the fans the aesthetics they want?

  • JimV19 | July 1, 2009 at 3:06 pm |

    [quote comment="337634"][quote comment=\"337631\"][quote comment=\"337620\"]What he failed to realize is, all tradition doesn\’t have to be ancient. Look, the team won a national championship with that logo. Three of the greatest players in the program\’s history (Dorsett, Hugh Green and Marino) wore it.

    That\’s good enough for me.[/quote]

    Kek:

    You are a person after my heart! I completely agree and I have been one of the emailers to Zeise about it. :) I understand that if Pitt wins, the fans will come more; but heck, why not give the fans the aesthetics they want?[/quote]

    Time for me to add Paul Zeise to my email list, as well as the Trib Pitt writer.

    If I recall, wasn’t the whole reason they got away from the script because the university didn’t like the name Pitt and the obvious armpit or “the pits” references that come with it? Now that they’ve gone back to using it, there’s no reason to diss the script.

    Oh, that’s right – universities are supposed to tell us what to think…not the other way around. My bad.

  • Skycat | July 1, 2009 at 3:30 pm |

    [quote comment="337598"][quote comment="337528"]The A’s should drop the ‘s on the hat ala their roots in Philadelphia

    http://exhibits.base...

    YES!![/quote]
    From 1955-1959 the Kansas City A’s hats were sans the apostrophe (until they changed to the KC logo). The same goes for the first two years in Oakland (1968-1969). The apostrophe was introduced in 1970.
    http://exhibits.base...

  • War Damn Eagle | July 1, 2009 at 3:32 pm |

    Major League Baseball will honor Lou Gehrig on Saturday and the 70th anniversary of his “Luckiest Man” farewell speech. It’s an attempt to raise awareness and funds for the battle against ALS/Lou Gehrig’s Disease. Players, umpires, everybody will wear “4 ALS” patches on Saturday

  • LI Phil | July 1, 2009 at 3:37 pm |

    [quote comment="337637"]Major League Baseball will honor Lou Gehrig on Saturday and the 70th anniversary of his “Luckiest Man” farewell speech. It’s an attempt to raise awareness and funds for the battle against ALS/Lou Gehrig’s Disease. Players, umpires, everybody will wear “4 ALS” patches on Saturday[/quote]

    god love lou gehrig….jesus christ, poor lou gehrig…died of lou gehrig’s disease…how the hell did he not see that coming?

    [/denis leary]

  • Mike Engle | July 1, 2009 at 4:03 pm |

    ATTN: Teebz:
    http://sports.espn.g...
    Any word on the Atlanta Thrashers putting the kibosh on the hideous alternate sweaters jerseys tops?

  • JimV19 | July 1, 2009 at 4:06 pm |

    Found a nice website with some classic CFL photos: http://cfl-scrapbook...

  • JSS | July 1, 2009 at 4:17 pm |

    Perfectly said, JimV

  • M.Princip | July 1, 2009 at 4:23 pm |

    [quote comment="337640"]Found a nice website with some classic CFL photos: http://cfl-scrapbook...

    Thanks for the link, great photos over there.

  • anotherguy | July 1, 2009 at 4:26 pm |

    TSN with rankings of ballparks this week:
    Fenway, Pittsburgh, Wrigley, Camden Yards and San Fran start it off. Comiskey is in at #24. Tampa placed last.

  • Nick | July 1, 2009 at 4:26 pm |

    http://flyers.nhl.co...

    Not sure about Pronger, but Ray Emery’s photo is clearly photoshopped onto a picture of Marty Biron (evident because of the blocker).

    Just felt like mentioning that because I remember last year the Lightning did this with Stamkos, although they screwed up by showing Stamkos shooting lefty. At least the Flyers didn’t do that with Pronger. Then again, he has played for 15 years while Stamkos was only a rookie. But Tampa definitely should have done some research first before making an embarrasing mistake like that, don’t you think?

  • steve | July 1, 2009 at 4:28 pm |

    Possible ugly matchup tonight. Green vs green.

    http://seattletimes....

    Seattle Sounders
    http://i.cdn.turner....
    Portland Timbers
    http://timbers.theof...

  • War Damn Eagle | July 1, 2009 at 4:28 pm |

    Jags take one on the chin again in Paul’s article. Ugh.

    Can anyone mock up the new jersey using the old number font (but stick with the 2-color format)?

  • Chuck | July 1, 2009 at 4:31 pm |

    Some great 50’s era unis on this site: http://www.billsretr... click on sports.

  • mike 2 | July 1, 2009 at 4:32 pm |

    [quote comment="337642"][quote comment="337640"]Found a nice website with some classic CFL photos: http://cfl-scrapbook...

    Thanks for the link, great photos over there.[/quote]

    For the second day in a row, I get to mention Tony Gabriel! (in that photo, wearing 77 for Ottawa)

  • Nick | July 1, 2009 at 4:37 pm |

    Also, here’s a small photo of the Blue Jays Canada Day jerseys.

    http://tsn.ca/mlb/st...

    *Sorry if this has already been posted.

  • JTH | July 1, 2009 at 4:42 pm |

    Whoa! 12 years?

  • Ken | July 1, 2009 at 4:49 pm |

    I never noticed that the Lakers have 2 different logos as well. The wordmark on the chest of their jerseys is a simplified version of what is found in the logo featuring the basketball in the background.

    Compare this to this.

  • LI Phil | July 1, 2009 at 4:57 pm |

    [quote comment="337650"]Whoa! 12 years?[/quote]

    DP laughs at him

    …sits back, counts his cash…and laughs

  • Johnny O | July 1, 2009 at 5:00 pm |

    I don’t know if it has been mentioned, but DirecTV is having another preview of MLB Extra Innings this month. It will run from 7/16-7/22 on channels 720-749.

    I just thought I would give subscribers a heads up.

  • anotherguy | July 1, 2009 at 5:00 pm |

    [quote comment="337650"]Whoa! 12 years?[/quote]At the end of the contract, Hossa will be younger than Chelios is today.

    So we got that going for us.

  • rpm | July 1, 2009 at 5:01 pm |

    aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh.
    it is getting to the point where i am horrified like the little kid in the shining when he sees the twins. i am peeking betwixt my fingers when i open up the ‘rup emails, what’s on the other side, is it sCarRy?!?…play me off keyboard cat

  • Big Al | July 1, 2009 at 5:06 pm |

    [quote comment="337654"]I don’t know if it has been mentioned, but DirecTV is having another preview of MLB Extra Innings this month. It will run from 7/16-7/22 on channels 720-749.

    I just thought I would give subscribers a heads up.[/quote]
    Gracie…

  • Teebz | July 1, 2009 at 5:39 pm |

    [quote comment="337639"]ATTN: Teebz:
    http://sports.espn.g...
    Any word on the Atlanta Thrashers putting the kibosh on the hideous alternate sweaters jerseys tops?[/quote]

    None. They will continue to wear baby blue at home, and red as an alternate.

  • Ricko | July 1, 2009 at 5:47 pm |

    I have just basic cable (well, including ESPN and such) so can search hundreds of channels.

    Anywhere I can watch CFL games online?

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | July 1, 2009 at 5:48 pm |

    CAN’T search hundreds of channels, that is.

  • LI Phil | July 1, 2009 at 5:52 pm |

    [quote]Anywhere I can watch CFL games online?[/quote]

    on your computer

  • rpm | July 1, 2009 at 5:58 pm |

    [quote comment="337661"][quote]Anywhere I can watch CFL games online?[/quote]

    on your computer[/quote]

    ba dum dum henny youngman is up next, but phil will be here all week at the laugh factory.

  • Ricko | July 1, 2009 at 5:59 pm |

    [quote comment="337661"][quote]Anywhere I can watch CFL games online?[/quote]

    on your computer[/quote]

    I gotta get me one ‘o them things.

    Okay, smartass, let me rephrase that. LOL
    Any websites where I can watch CFL games?

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | July 1, 2009 at 6:01 pm |

    My favorite Youngman joke…
    Guy walks into a bank and says to the teller, “Gimme all your money, this is a fuck up.”
    Teller says, “Don’t you mean this is a ‘stick up’?”
    Guy says, “Uh-nn, it’s a fuck up; I forgot my gun.”

    —Ricko

  • Jim Bullard | July 1, 2009 at 6:10 pm |

    [quote comment="337568"][quote comment="337564"][quote comment="337549"]Paul,

    Great article on ESPN yesterday, very enjoyable read.

    You mentioned at the top that the Yankees have several different “NY” treatments, what are these different treatments?[/quote]
    The cap, helmet and jersey all have distinctly different logos.

    And I think the logo they use on official stationery and whatnot is even different from all three of those.[/quote]
    On-field logo — old and new: most closely resembles the cap logo, but not an exact match.[/quote]

    I won’t lie, I’ve been following the yankees my whole life and never really noticed these differences. I have failed as a uni-watcher for my own team!!

  • Teebz | July 1, 2009 at 6:15 pm |

    [quote comment="337663"][quote comment="337661"][quote]Anywhere I can watch CFL games online?[/quote]

    on your computer[/quote]

    I gotta get me one ‘o them things.

    Okay, smartass, let me rephrase that. LOL
    Any websites where I can watch CFL games?

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Check here, Rick.

  • Ricko | July 1, 2009 at 6:21 pm |

    [quote comment="337666"][quote comment="337663"][quote comment="337661"][quote]Anywhere I can watch CFL games online?[/quote]

    on your computer[/quote]

    I gotta get me one ‘o them things.

    Okay, smartass, let me rephrase that. LOL
    Any websites where I can watch CFL games?

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Check here, Rick.[/quote]

    Thanks, Teebz

  • rpm | July 1, 2009 at 6:21 pm |

    [quote comment="337664"]My favorite Youngman joke…
    Guy walks into a bank and says to the teller, “Gimme all your money, this is a fuck up.”
    Teller says, “Don’t you mean this is a ‘stick up’?”
    Guy says, “Uh-nn, it’s a fuck up; I forgot my gun.”

    —Ricko[/quote]
    ricko~
    you want a joke? it is my wednesday night umpire shift, 16″ stats league. i not only ump from 6:30 to 11:30, but i have to keep an accurate book, because i come home and plug the stats into this computer until 4am, every freaking wednesday, because damn it, their fielding percentages better be spot on while they have their morning joe. i also have to put on my sport writer hat, and write game reviews. it is nuts, i do it tuesday night too, but it isn’t as bad for some reason. here, sometimes they are funny, but the best reviews tend to be in moonlight graham games, it isn’t intentional, just happens. btw, the league does have one long time uw reader from nyc, wears stirrups. i hate wednesdays.

  • Kek | July 1, 2009 at 6:44 pm |

    [quote comment="337634"][quote comment=\"337631\"][quote comment=\"337620\"]It is often forgotten that in the mid \’50s, Pitt wore royal blue jerseys and old gold helmets and pants. Always thought a version of the \’80s Blue Bombers would be a good look for the Panthers…although I suppose some would say looks too much like Faust-era Notre Dame.
    http://www.geocities...
    http://www.minorleag...

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Yeah, this was the argument I had with PG Pitt writer Paul Zeise. He was tired of hearing about the Pitt script from his emailers and always went of his way to tell us that the Pitt script is relatively new (early 70s).

    I think he thinks that the fans that like it overstate its place in Pitt lore. He feels that we talk about it like it had been around since WWII.

    What he failed to realize is, all tradition doesn\’t have to be ancient. Look, the team won a national championship with that logo. Three of the greatest players in the program\’s history (Dorsett, Hugh Green and Marino) wore it.

    That\’s good enough for me.[/quote]

    Kek:

    You are a person after my heart! I completely agree and I have been one of the emailers to Zeise about it. :) I understand that if Pitt wins, the fans will come more; but heck, why not give the fans the aesthetics they want?[/quote]
    Pardon my French but Zeise just doesn’t fucking get it. He thinks it’s mutually exclusive that a team must not be winning and that’s why they care about uniforms.

    What this tool fails to realize is that Pitt could go 11-0 every year and people would still want the script back.

    I don’t understand how a guy that covers so many games for the university can be so unaware of his surroundings.

    And we wonder why newspapers are dying.

  • Kek | July 1, 2009 at 6:50 pm |

    [quote comment=\"337652\"][quote comment=\"337650\"]Whoa! 12 years?[/quote]

    DP laughs at him

    …sits back, counts his cash…and laughs[/quote]
    Do the Blackhawks give him a better chance to win a cup?

  • Matt | July 1, 2009 at 6:55 pm |

    Regarding the reader thinking the new New Mexico font was familiar – Several schools used something close on their hoops unis in the early ’90s. I think New Mexico was one of the schools and Minnesota another. I want to write they were Converse program unis.

  • Mike Engle | July 1, 2009 at 6:55 pm |

    [quote comment="337670"][quote comment=\"337652\"][quote comment=\"337650\"]Whoa! 12 years?[/quote]

    DP laughs at him

    …sits back, counts his cash…and laughs[/quote]
    Do the Blackhawks give him a better chance to win a cup?[/quote]
    Assuming he’s not a football player, he clearly has his.
    http://cmsimg.freep....

  • JTH | July 1, 2009 at 7:30 pm |

    [quote comment="337672"][quote comment="337670"][quote comment=\"337652\"][quote comment=\"337650\"]Whoa! 12 years?[/quote]

    DP laughs at him

    …sits back, counts his cash…and laughs[/quote]
    Do the Blackhawks give him a better chance to win a cup?[/quote]
    Assuming he’s not a football player, he clearly has his.
    http://cmsimg.freep....
    Anyone know what number he’s going to wear? I’m guessing he’s going to stick with #81 since there ain’t no way he’s going back to #18.

  • LarryB | July 1, 2009 at 8:54 pm |

    Come on Ti Cats make a 2nd half comeback.

  • ATLShaun | July 1, 2009 at 8:54 pm |

    I have a question for anyone who might know… what is the deal with the dots on the top of teams helmets? I mean they are for the button on the hat, but why do some teams with a button that matches the hat have a dot on the helmet, and some teams have the button one color on the hat, but a different color on the helmet? dont know if there has been a post on this or not, couldn’t find one

  • LarryB | July 1, 2009 at 8:57 pm |

    Aw crap An Argos TD

  • Patrick in MI | July 1, 2009 at 8:57 pm |

    That patch on Bo’s Memphis Chicks jersey http://i.cdn.turner.... reminds me of the Mutual of Omaha logo.

    http://www.frenchcha...

  • MPowers1634 | July 1, 2009 at 9:22 pm |

    Wagner’s baseball team using something similar to New Mexico:

    Check the banner
    http://www.wagnerath...

    BTW…one of Wagner’s alums is an official member of Outmania!

    http://www.wagnerath...

  • Ricko | July 1, 2009 at 9:48 pm |

    Jeez. Sitting here waiting for the CFL webcast to download. Cheese hardens faster.

    Any longer and I’ll just dig out some of my old VHS tapes from ’81 or ’82 and watch Dieter Brock and the Blue Bombers play John Hufnagel and the Roughriders.

    —Ricko

  • aflfan | July 1, 2009 at 9:51 pm |

    I don’t have any screen grabs or pictures but A’s catcher Kurt Suzuki wore green and bright yellow catchers gear. He could have passed for an Oregon Duck.

  • Ricko | July 1, 2009 at 9:56 pm |

    [quote comment="337682"]I don’t have any screen grabs or pictures but A’s catcher Kurt Suzuki wore green and bright yellow catchers gear. He could have passed for an Oregon Duck.[/quote]

    And Oregon Ducktrooper, eh?
    “These aren’t the ducks you’re looking for. Move along.”
    —Obi-web Kenobi

  • Ricko | July 1, 2009 at 10:01 pm |

    Oh, now, don’t start that I’m dissing Oregon.
    I love their colors (forest and yellow they are, btw) and that they take risks, uni-wise.

    Sometimes with that risk-taking, though, they’re gonna hit it out of the park, sometimes they’ll swing and miss, and sometimes they’ll, um, fowl it off.

    —Ricko

  • JimV19 | July 1, 2009 at 10:20 pm |

    [quote comment="337681"]Jeez. Sitting here waiting for the CFL webcast to download. Cheese hardens faster.

    Any longer and I’ll just dig out some of my old VHS tapes from ’81 or ’82 and watch Dieter Brock and the Blue Bombers play John Hufnagel and the Roughriders.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Trade you the ’02 Grey Cup if you have the ’81 Grey Cup…

  • JimV19 | July 1, 2009 at 10:24 pm |

    [quote comment="337681"]Jeez. Sitting here waiting for the CFL webcast to download. Cheese hardens faster.

    Any longer and I’ll just dig out some of my old VHS tapes from ’81 or ’82 and watch Dieter Brock and the Blue Bombers play John Hufnagel and the Roughriders.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    You can also just catch the highlights on YouTube: http://www.youtube.c...

  • jude | July 1, 2009 at 10:38 pm |

    [quote comment="337621"]All of the Blue Jays have “Canada” as their NOB too.[/quote]

    And here’s a view of that.

    I went to the game today. (Here’s a couple of pictures from the cheap seats.)

    I’m not a fan of the Canada Day jerseys – too loud, IMO – but it’s a one-day-a-year tradition that I can live with.

    Incidentally, this is the second time in 10 days that I’ve been in the same place as Fergie Jenkins, the greatest Canadian pitcher that ever lived.

    – jude

  • LI Phil | July 1, 2009 at 10:59 pm |

    hey jude

    great pics

    and ricko…welcome home

  • JTH | July 1, 2009 at 11:20 pm |

    [quote comment="337675"][quote comment="337672"][quote comment="337670"][quote comment=\"337652\"][quote comment=\"337650\"]Whoa! 12 years?[/quote]

    DP laughs at him

    …sits back, counts his cash…and laughs[/quote]
    Do the Blackhawks give him a better chance to win a cup?[/quote]
    Assuming he’s not a football player, he clearly has his.
    http://cmsimg.freep....
    Anyone know what number he’s going to wear? I’m guessing he’s going to stick with #81 since there ain’t no way he’s going back to #18.[/quote]
    Well, I just got the answer my own damn self. At the press conference today, they had a #81 jersey for Hossa and #82 for Kopecky.

    So thanks for NOTHING.

  • James P. | July 1, 2009 at 11:49 pm |

    no pictures yet, but Pudge Rodriguez now has brick red catching gear.

  • Jason Shane | July 2, 2009 at 12:17 am |

    Nice Beasties reference in today’s title, Paul.

  • Doug in GA | July 2, 2009 at 12:49 am |

    [quote comment="337654"]I don’t know if it has been mentioned, but DirecTV is having another preview of MLB Extra Innings this month. It will run from 7/16-7/22 on channels 720-749.

    I just thought I would give subscribers a heads up.[/quote]

    Except for the NFL Sunday Ticket, DirecTV runs a free preview of the major sports leagues twice a year- the first week of their seasons and the week after their All Star games.

  • Ben Wideman | July 3, 2009 at 12:29 am |

    check out this old Blue Jays Canada Day song…

    http://www.youtube.c...

    Incredible!

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