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Tickets … Tickets, Please …

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As you may recall, back in late March I wrote about this 1954 catalog of grocery signage. Around that same time I met Angela Riechers, a designer and art director who was getting her MFA in design criticism at the School of Visual Arts here in NYC (I’m friends with a bunch of the instructors involved with that program), who was hoping I could help her out with an assignment that seemed very much in keeping with that old catalog.

I wasn’t able to offer Angela anything useful, but I became intrigued by her project anyway. She was researching the history of the Takacheck (pronounced “take a check”), which is that gizmo that dispenses the little numbered tickets for businesses that operate on the “Now serving…” system. But Angela wasn’t just pursuing this out of some nostalgic sense of retro geekiness — she has a personal connection to the Takacheck’s history. Here, I’ll let her explain:

Our assignment was to research a design object of our choosing without using digital search engines. E-mail and library databases were allowed, but no other use of the internet was permitted. (In fact, the name of the class was No Google.) The emphasis was on interviewing primary sources and locating original documents, with the final product to be a 10-minute presentation together with a 2500-word book or poster.

I realized this was a great opportunity to learn more about my great-grandfather Reuben Harry Helsel. He never finished high school but was a gifted inventor. From 1917 through the early ’60s, he invented the Takacheck, along with the machine that dispenses movie tickets from slots in the counter and the Daily Double machine used at racetracks, but I knew little else about him (we never met).

My mother had a small trove of family mementos: letters, photos, postcards. Here I discovered that Helsel’s first job as a teenager was at a movie theater, which must have sparked his lifelong interest in ticketing devices.

From there, research was slow going. For about two months, the working title of my book was ‘Your Search Returned Zero Results.’ The U.S. Patent and Trademark Office database would have been have been a great resource, except for one problem: For anything patented prior to 1977, you can’t search by inventor’s name or keyword; you need the patent numbers to retrieve the files. When I asked a librarian how to find the numbers, she said, “Just look on Google Patents!” I groaned and put my head down on the desk.

Fortunately, my brother-in-law is an attorney specializing in intellectual rights. He looked up the patent numbers for me and I was able to download them at the library and print them out. The results of that search now fill two 3-inch binders. It turns out Helsel held 45 patents for every conceivable situation requiring a ticket: transit of all types, from streetcars to airplanes; movie theaters; circuses; cafeteria-style restaurants; racetracks. His career basically traced the arc of the machine age through the postwar period, documenting the growth of leisure time and increased ease of travel, and the machines needed to speed the process along.

I really wanted to print out my paper as a continuous-roll strip of tickets, but a custom job like that takes weeks to set up and would have been too costly. So I designed an accordion-folded book in the same aspect ratio as a small perfed ticket.

Angela’s book is amazing, as is the story it tells. If you want to read it, you can see the full sequence of pages here. You can also download a PDF of here — or at least some of you can. That link is only good for a limited number of downloads, and I’m pretty sure we’ll max it out today. So if you click on it and it doesn’t work, let me know and I’ll set up a fresh link for it.

What does any of this have to do with Uni Watch? More than you might think:

• First and foremost, the very notion of a cardstock ticket is under siege these days, as e-tickets and paper printouts become more the rule than the exception. I appreciate the convenience, but man, modern “tickets” are so completely unsatisfying as material objects. I saved all my ticket stubs as a kid; what are today’s kids saving? Stuff like this? I doubt it. A shame.

• Angela’s research frustrations sound very familiar, because my recent Candela Structures project, which involved all kinds of research endeavors that didn’t work out, was a sobering reminder of how spoiled I am on having access to groundbreaking research done by others. It’s fair to say that Uni Watch never would have been possible if not for the pioneering work of Marc Okkonen, for example. As we’ve seen many times here on this site, it’s a lot easier to solve a mystery when it’s covered by a handy database that someone else has slaved to create. One thing the Candela project taught me is that I need to become a better researcher, especially when it comes to things like library archives and other primary sources, which is exactly the skill Angela’s assignment was designed to build. Maybe I should have been in that class.

• Cool design is, y’know, cool! Even if it’s not uni-related.

Major thanks to Angela for sharing her project, and its backstory. Great stuff.

And speaking of the Candela project…: We’ve expanded our web site with lots of new info. We haven’t yet added all the content from the exhibit itself, but we’ll do that after the exhibit closes at the end of June.

DIY Follow-Up: Ryan Connelly’s DIY project from yesterday prompted reader Jeff Spry to recall a Steelers-themed project of his own:

In 2006 I renovated my basement to build an entertainment room with full bath and kitchen. I went with a Steelers theme, using the “team colors” paint from Glidden. I decided to paint one wall half white and half gold, with the [Northwestern] stripes from the sleeves dividing the wall.

It was much more difficult than I imagined. I don’t have AutoCad, so I had to use math and Microsoft Publisher to re-create the stripes from a jersey I had. The process was rough: painting the bottom gold and the top white while painting one set of taped stripes white, then retaping to paint the outer black lines, and then a final tape job to paint the last two black lines. It was backbreaking to get the tape straight but I think it came out OK.

The finishing touches are lots of old posters from my childhood and multiple old Sports Illustrateds, including all the Super Bowl issues running along the stripe. I also included a bookshelf with some old Steelers paraphernalia, including a vintage helmet and a duffel bag from elementary school.

You can see more photos of Jeff’s project here. And speaking of DIY, reader Ed Ra sent along pics of two cornhole sets he made — one with a Jets theme and one that’s a shout-out to Shea. Nicely done.

Uni Watch News Ticker: I was dealing with a family commitment and wasn’t near a computer for most of yesterday, so today’s Ticker is a little thin — my apologies. … Reprinted from yesterday’s comments: Beginning of this page explains how CC Sabathia baggy-ifies his trousers. … Here’s next year’s NBA all-star logo set. … Here’s Papa Bear as you probably haven’t seen him before, as MVP of the 1919 Rose Bowl (with thanks to Andrew Tanker, who also provided this shot of Mare Island coach William Dietz). … The more I look at these, the more ridiculous they seem. … This guy has created alternative designs for a bunch of Japanese baseball teams (with thanks to Jeremy Brahm). … Also from Jeremy: Check out this manhole cover design from Koshien Stadium in Nishinomiya, Japan. … Remember Pucky the Whale? How about a Pucky-shaped chicken finger? Details here. … Two old seats from Shea Stadium + Newsday columnist Ken Davidoff = a very good deed. … Lots of untucked basketball jersey action in this 1981 high school video of Wayman Tisdale. Bizarre two-tone design, too (big thanks to Mike Harris). … Cabinet, where Liz Clayton and I performed as the Forewords back in January, has an interesting-sounding soccer film on the calendar.

 

195 comments to Tickets … Tickets, Please …

  • LI Phil | May 20, 2009 at 8:16 am |

    wow…that project (overall, but especially the book) is amazing…haven’t checked it out completely, but what a fantastic job, neat concept and solid execution

  • Stuby | May 20, 2009 at 8:26 am |

    Wow, they seriously butchered the outline of Texas for that All-Star logo. And is that star supposed to be the location of Dallas or an apostrophe on the 10?

    Also, the “Takacheck” name reminds me of that neon sign you find in every Steak n Shake restaurant. It’s supposed to mean “Take home a sack”.

    http://farm3.static....

  • M.Princip | May 20, 2009 at 9:45 am |

    I’m wondering if Angela’s great grandpa Reuben holds the claim for that notch we see in tickets and ticket symbols; i.e. even some etickets have them. The notch is there to help feed the tickets out of the machine. Or, did tickets have these notches before any of Reuben’s devices?

  • Peter Wunsch | May 20, 2009 at 9:45 am |

    The only good thing about the computer print-out tickets is that you can save the original ticket in pristine condition and have the duplicate, too.

  • RichardO | May 20, 2009 at 9:46 am |

    the Indians “patriotic” hats are just so, so wrong.

  • JTH | May 20, 2009 at 9:52 am |

    [quote comment=”330087″]Wow, they seriously butchered the outline of Texas for that All-Star logo. And is that star supposed to be the location of Dallas or an apostrophe on the 10?

    Also, the “Takacheck” name reminds me of that neon sign you find in every Steak n Shake restaurant. It’s supposed to mean “Take home a sack”.

    http://farm3.static....
    Speaking of Dallas…

    Pucky chicken nugget > Jesus Cheeto.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    5 comments so far? Guess I’m not the only one having trouble accessing the site this morning.

  • PCFriarsDan | May 20, 2009 at 9:53 am |

    Am I the only one who was deathly afraid UW was going to be out of commission all day? I couldn’t connect the first few times I tried today.

  • nybatt | May 20, 2009 at 9:57 am |

    I can only hope that the yankees deny the request of MLB/new era and take the field wearing either their regular caps (with flag patches)or the navy stars and stripes caps from last season.

    I know the yankees get hammered on the blog and on cris creamers site for defying most modern uni-fads, and being ‘too good’ to do what everyone else does, but honestly this red-cap garbage is too over-the-top.

    Until now it had infuriated me to no end to see yankee jerseys with names on them, but at LEAST I could take comfort in the fact that they were being worn by asthetically-challenged fans with no clue. The actual team taking the field with these red caps would be tough to stomach.

    My thought is: does the organization actually have the ‘power’ to say “no” to the league??

  • Stuby | May 20, 2009 at 9:59 am |

    [quote comment=”330091″][quote comment=”330087″]Wow, they seriously butchered the outline of Texas for that All-Star logo. And is that star supposed to be the location of Dallas or an apostrophe on the 10?

    Also, the “Takacheck” name reminds me of that neon sign you find in every Steak n Shake restaurant. It’s supposed to mean “Take home a sack”.

    http://farm3.static....
    Speaking of Dallas…

    Pucky chicken nugget > Jesus Cheeto.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    5 comments so far? Guess I’m not the only one having trouble accessing the site this morning.[/quote]
    And then we have this…

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  • Matt Brosseau | May 20, 2009 at 10:00 am |

    Can’t wait to check out that book! Got to get some actual work done first…

    Paul, the Paris subway system (RATP) has these nice card-stock tickets that they use…in fact my first observation was the weight of the ticket as opposed to, say, one of the old BART tickets or a MetroCard.

    I think I have a few extra at home, I’ll drop one in the mail if I can remember.

  • timmy b | May 20, 2009 at 10:03 am |

    Did anyone watching the Wings-Hawks series notice Nikolai Khabibulin’s jersey for the first two games? Did you see how much thicker his black sleeve stripes are than anyone else on the Blackhawks? Is this a “goalie cut” or sumthin?

    What’s up with that???

    I actually sorta like it myself.

  • Paul Lukas | May 20, 2009 at 10:10 am |

    [quote comment=”330092″]Am I the only one who was deathly afraid UW was going to be out of commission all day? I couldn’t connect the first few times I tried today.[/quote]

    If you think you were freaking out, imagine how I felt…..

    Some sort of spambot attacked one of our scripts. Ek sussed it out pretty quickly and set things right.

  • Roger Faso | May 20, 2009 at 10:11 am |

    New Era. They must be the biggest necessary evil in licensed sport apparel. The Authentic On Field line is their only redeeming quality. (I buy a new A’s cap, every other year.)

    Those Stars and Stripes lids are stupid.

    Whenever I see a cat wearing a New Era lid (that isn’t an Authentic On Field,) I think, “whatta douche.” The guy could be a frickin saint, but the first impression is douchebag.

  • MEMAL | May 20, 2009 at 10:14 am |

    That room was phenomenial. The extra time with the stripes made it look absolutely perfect in my opinion! I also love all the SI Steeler covers hanging on the wall. I’ve kept all of mine just for when I have a room to do something like that in.

  • Broadway Connie | May 20, 2009 at 10:18 am |

    [quote comment=”330098″]
    Those Stars and Stripes lids are stupid.[/quote]

    Oh, man, are they ever. And you’re right, RichardO, Chief Wahoo in Stars-n-Stripes is especially egregious. Way to go, Paul, in calling out this blunder.

    Angela Riechers, otoh, is wonderful and amazing.

  • Luther Mahoney | May 20, 2009 at 10:19 am |

    Re.:”Football as Never Before”

    This sounds like a film that documented the actions of Zinedine Zidane as he played a complete match when he was Real Madrid in 2005.

  • Roger Faso | May 20, 2009 at 10:23 am |

    If you’re going to dispense a ticket, surely you’ll need to count and regulate the flow of attendence.

    http://www.turnstile...

  • Alex | May 20, 2009 at 10:25 am |

    [quote comment=”330090″]the Indians “patriotic” hats are just so, so wrong.[/quote]

    Yet they look, so, so conservative. I mean, come on, Chief Wahoo is not good in star and stripe form.

    Speaking of which, Could somebody tell the guy who runs New era to consider giving the Jays a maple leaf hat, or nothing at all instead of having the canadian flag on the blue jay? it looks like garbage.

  • MPowers1634 | May 20, 2009 at 10:33 am |

    That Steelers room makes me want to redo my entire house!

    The Shea seat story is great.

    As for New Era, I love their caps except for the Stars and Stripes.

    I have recently even started breaking one of my sacred rules of no contrasting brims…

    My favorite cap has become my Cardinals alt with the bird and bat.

  • Shane | May 20, 2009 at 10:36 am |

    Jeff’s Steelers room is great! Reminds me of the “What’s with the lamp?” ad NFL Pro Shop put out last year

  • diz | May 20, 2009 at 10:36 am |

    [quote comment=”330101″]Re.:”Football as Never Before”

    This sounds like a film that documented the actions of Zinedine Zidane as he played a complete match when he was Real Madrid in 2005.[/quote]

    Well this one’s the film that inspired the ZZ one, it’s obviously almost 40 years old…

  • Teebz | May 20, 2009 at 10:47 am |

    [quote comment=”330096″]Did anyone watching the Wings-Hawks series notice Nikolai Khabibulin’s jersey for the first two games? Did you see how much thicker his black sleeve stripes are than anyone else on the Blackhawks? Is this a “goalie cut” or sumthin?

    What’s up with that???

    I actually sorta like it myself.[/quote]

    Yes. It’s been like that for two seasons now. All of the goaltenders in Chi-town wear the thicker stripes (Huet had them on before he lost his starting job).

  • chance michaels | May 20, 2009 at 10:49 am |

    It’s a famous film, but notoriously hard to find.

    Thanks for the heads-up, Paul! I wish I could go, but I’ve send the notice to a bunch of my football-loving friends.

  • JTH | May 20, 2009 at 10:50 am |

    The Steelers room makes me kinda wish I was a Pittsburgh fan with the matching team colors and all. I’d love to do Bears stripes (home and road) on two walls of my basement and Blackhawks stripes (again, home and road) on the other two.

    But you’d need welding goggles to be able to relax in a black/navy/red/orange/white room.

  • TC Lofton | May 20, 2009 at 10:56 am |

    Angela, that was a great piece of work you did! Your finished product represents the research very well!

    Jeff, I really like those frames you had for the SI issues… where did those come from?

  • Chris M | May 20, 2009 at 10:57 am |

    Try to think of the New Era Stars & Stripes caps (and their other gimmicky caps) from the business side… Can the company really survive just selling the same old traditional on-field cap year after year after year? Probably not, and especially not now-a-days.

    So New Era comes out with a different “special” cap -> the players wear it on field -> people see the players wear it so they buy it -> New Era makes money -> repeat next year.

    If we have to suffer through a few days a year of mis-matched colors in order to keep the high quality traditional New Era caps around, no big deal.

    And in my opinion, SOME of them actually look really nice standalone, it’s just when they mix them with their uniform it looks bad.

  • Bernard | May 20, 2009 at 11:00 am |

    Does anyone else think this is a strange promotion, offering a BP jersey… for a pitcher?

    http://pittsburgh.pi...

    Nothing my Bucs do really surprises me, but still…

  • Paul Lukas | May 20, 2009 at 11:04 am |

    [quote comment=”330112″]Try to think of the New Era Stars & Stripes caps (and their other gimmicky caps) from the business side… Can the company really survive just selling the same old traditional on-field cap year after year after year? Probably not, and especially not now-a-days.[/quote]

    Actually, a company could “really survive” just fine doing that. In fact, that’s exactly what New Era did for decades before they started flooding the market with quote-unquote fashion caps.

  • Paul Lukas | May 20, 2009 at 11:05 am |

    [quote comment=”330090″]the Indians “patriotic” hats are just so, so wrong.[/quote]

    From now on I’m calling that design “the Manifest Destiny cap.”

  • Stan a.k.a. the took | May 20, 2009 at 11:06 am |

    Those red hats are disgusting looking, the last year ones were decent at best. If we have to be so patriotic put a little flag on there I liked that idea just make sure they stick on this time.

  • Chris in Nashville | May 20, 2009 at 11:07 am |

    [quote comment=”330090″]the Indians “patriotic” hats are just so, so wrong.[/quote]

    I’m confused. I thought the Indians were wearing the their fauxback hats.

    http://shop.mlb.com/...

  • Jeff Spry | May 20, 2009 at 11:08 am |

    Thanks for all the kind words about the room. The frames for the magazines are simple aluminum document frames (8.5×11) from the local Walmart. About $3 each. I can’t find them definitively online. I often buy out the local stock just so the look will be consistent in the future. I have room for a little less than 10 more Super Bowls on that wall (SB L, I suppose).

    Used to have about 40 old baseball issues on the wall in another room that later became my sons’ bedroom. They’re still in frames, just not on the wall now.

  • Stuby | May 20, 2009 at 11:11 am |

    I just noticed that the linked page in the Ticker for the Patriotic caps shows a Padres cap for the Indians. Hmmm.

  • War Damn Eagle | May 20, 2009 at 11:22 am |

    I think New Era was better off with the hat patch concept, instead of the stars-n-stripes gig. I see the point that New Era can’t make money selling nothing but regular 5950s. But they have the 3930 spring training caps, which they change every 3 or 4 years. And if they wanted to create a variation for the on-field hat to sell extra product they had the hats with the American flag patches, or the hats with anniversary patches (like the Mets and Yankees, or the American League anniversary a few years ago), or the special series hats (like Montreal’s Puerto Rico Series hats), or the one-game-thing hats (Nationals first game in Nats Park). Screwing with the overall color scheme for hats and having them clash with a team’s uniform is not the way to go.

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  • Vagabond Ben | May 20, 2009 at 11:23 am |

    [quote comment=”330109″]It’s a famous film, but notoriously hard to find.

    Thanks for the heads-up, Paul! I wish I could go, but I’ve send the notice to a bunch of my football-loving friends.[/quote]

    Paul said it right when he described it as “interesting-sounding”. I’ve seen it and it is not particularly interesting to watch. A great concept that is fairly excruciating to sit through. And that’s coming from a huge football/Best fan.

  • War Damn Eagle | May 20, 2009 at 11:25 am |

    [quote comment=”330120″]I think New Era was better off with the hat patch concept, instead of the stars-n-stripes gig. I see the point that New Era can’t make money selling nothing but regular 5950s. But they have the 3930 spring training caps, which they change every 3 or 4 years. And if they wanted to create a variation for the on-field hat to sell extra product they had the hats with the American flag patches, or the hats with anniversary patches (like the Mets and Yankees, or the American League anniversary a few years ago), or the special series hats (like Montreal’s Puerto Rico Series hats), or the one-game-thing hats (Nationals first game in Nats Park). Screwing with the overall color scheme for hats and having them clash with a team’s uniform is not the way to go.

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    http://4.bp.blogspot...

    http://image01.shopz...

    http://www.talkingpr...

    http://photos.upi.co...

    Apologies, the first link is supposed to be this:
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  • M.Princip | May 20, 2009 at 11:26 am |

    Paul Wrote:
    “As we’ve seen many times here on this site, it’s a lot trickier to solve a mystery when it’s not something covered by handy database that someone else has slaved to create.”

    Well said. Many thanks to Angela and you Paul for all of your research endeavours.

  • Vagabond Ben | May 20, 2009 at 11:26 am |

    Bryan — Do you still frequent the BSNYC blog? There was a question the other day from a new reader about what “RTMS” meant, the responses made me think about folks asking here on Uni Watch about helmet dots, etc.

  • Skippy | May 20, 2009 at 11:29 am |

    Somebody explain this one to me, please? Was there a bird team mix up at NewEra?

    http://www.neweracap...

  • Mike | May 20, 2009 at 11:29 am |

    On a recent trip to the United Arab Emirates, I was able to catch some cricket matches, which having never seen one in person before was great. I was able to catch up on the action through an American expat who I was working with and gave me some of the finer points on the gameplay, and even the gear. Things like they use da red ball for day games and a white ball for night games. The ball will be used the whole match, even as it gets beat and banged up. I have since been following things like the India Premier League, very casually and today saw the following picture. I have seen lots of wicketkeepers wearing what look like the batsman helmets, but this is the first “baseball style” mask.
    http://news.yahoo.co...

  • War Damn Eagle | May 20, 2009 at 11:35 am |

    This

    http://www.yawkeyway...

    just looks better than this

    http://www.yawkeyway...

    or this

    http://www.yawkeyway...

    Where else do they go after using red and blue? White? That’s the only flag color left. Maybe they’ll ALL wear camo hats in 2010.

    Couldn’t they just put a patch of the Welcome Back Veterans.org charity on the regular hats?

    http://welcomebackve...

    And instead of the U.S. with it’s flag in the logo, use Canada and it’s flag for the Toronto caps.

  • Chris M | May 20, 2009 at 11:35 am |

    [quote comment=”330125″]Somebody explain this one to me, please? Was there a bird team mix up at NewEra?

    http://www.neweracap...

    Part of New Era ingenious “Twisted” line.

    http://www.lids.com/...

  • Ry Co 40 | May 20, 2009 at 11:36 am |

    wow angela, what a fun subject for your assignment! i haven’t had the chance to read your work yet, but i look forward to doing so later on! i did get the chance to flip through the pages and they are just simply amazing, and i’m sure the content and product of your research is even better!

    jeff, job well done, what an awesome room! looks so professional! those stripes are such a big part of their uniform and their brand, you can tell them a mile away! you did a really sharp job, love it!

    last but not certainly not least, ed, how creative you were on your “mets”… well… “i’m calling it shea” set! ha-ha

    fun post today, one of the most aesthetically pleasing posts we’ve seen! great job by all!!!

  • timmy b | May 20, 2009 at 11:49 am |

    [quote comment=”330108″][quote comment=”330096″]Did anyone watching the Wings-Hawks series notice Nikolai Khabibulin’s jersey for the first two games? Did you see how much thicker his black sleeve stripes are than anyone else on the Blackhawks? Is this a “goalie cut” or sumthin?

    What’s up with that???

    I actually sorta like it myself.[/quote]

    Yes. It’s been like that for two seasons now. All of the goaltenders in Chi-town wear the thicker stripes (Huet had them on before he lost his starting job).[/quote]

    Thanks, Teebz! Two years?? Wonder why I never noticed that until now…

  • MPowers1634 | May 20, 2009 at 11:53 am |

    [quote comment=”330127″]
    Maybe they’ll ALL wear camo hats in 2010.

    quote]

    Please delete the quoted post before anyone at New Era catches wind.

  • Lee | May 20, 2009 at 11:55 am |

    Ryan Connelly’s DIY Steelers-themed project just makes me depressed…

    I have shared a few time my NAFL pictures ( http://s267.photobuc...) but at one point I had created actual helmets for several of the teams (Jacksonville, Indianapolis, Philadelphia, Memphis, Cleveland, Detroit, Toronto, Denver, Portland, Honolulu & San Diego).
    It consisted of either driving around or calling all sorts of sporting goods stores and making contacts with people who had extra football helmets laying around. I couldn’t afford brand new helmets (we’re talking about real game helmets here), so I had to search for used ones, and this was before the internet (1992?), so it was phone calls and face to face meetings.
    I finally found a guy in Santa Rosa who for some reason had about 50 helmets, I think they were from a local high school team. They were black with red face masks, and were definitely “used”.
    He was charging $20 each so I only took the 11 least beat up ones.

    I loaded them in my my car and took them home where I removed the face masks, stripped the stripes & logos and concocted various chemically based removal solutions to get the god damn glue off the helmets, by far the most difficult part of the project.
    Finally having cleaned up the helmets, I decided which teams I would create the helmets for. Generally sticking to the most basic designs, I selected the 11 teams listed above.
    Determining paint and decal material was next. Did you know that finding a deep true purple spray paint is a very difficult proposition? I don’t know about now, but back then it was!
    Anyways, based on the colors available for purchase, some of the team colors changed (most notably Portland, who had always been a kelly green went to a much darker green because that was the green paint I could find).

    My first attempt was for Memphis. Simple huh? http://s267.photobuc...
    Just a yellow lightning bolt on a black shell.
    Well due to the curvature of the helmet, it probably turned out the worst. I couldn’t ever get it to look right. The ‘notches’ in the bolt were always wrong, and the bolt itself had large folds i couldn’t get rid of.
    In hindsight I should have used small pieces of decal paper to make the large bolt rather than one piece.

    Anyways, I continued on with the project, using an already large assortment of drawings to base the logos on. But I also changed many of the logos while putting this project together, namely Detroit http://s267.photobuc....
    Those drawings are based on the helmets, rather than basing the helmets on the drawings. Other helmets turned out pretty much exactly how I had always drawn them, like Jacksonville http://s267.photobuc... and Indianapolis http://s267.photobuc....

    Once I had finished all 11, I cleared off a large bookcase I had and displayed them for all to wonder who the fuck those teams were. Try explaining they are are representations for a dice football league that you play by yourself to bunch of “normal” people!

    So the depressing part? Well due to moving from place to place so often, I finally had to get rid of them all (after toting them around in my car trunk for a couple years). And even worse than not having them anymore, I never took even a single picture of the project, either before, during or after! This is probably among my top 5 or 6 regrets in my LIFE, up to this point.

    Anyways, if you have more questions about the project or the NAFL itself, feel free to ask.

    Good work Ryan…

    Lee

  • Jeff | May 20, 2009 at 11:55 am |

    [quote comment=”330112″]Try to think of the New Era Stars & Stripes caps (and their other gimmicky caps) from the business side… Can the company really survive just selling the same old traditional on-field cap year after year after year? Probably not, and especially not now-a-days.

    So New Era comes out with a different “special” cap -> the players wear it on field -> people see the players wear it so they buy it -> New Era makes money -> repeat next year.

    If we have to suffer through a few days a year of mis-matched colors in order to keep the high quality traditional New Era caps around, no big deal.

    And in my opinion, SOME of them actually look really nice standalone, it’s just when they mix them with their uniform it looks bad.[/quote]

    Wondering if any PhotoShop experts out there could throw together some prototypes for a ‘compromise’ stars and stripes set: Keep the hat/bill/button in standard team colors, but overlay the stars n stripes on just the logo. Similar concept to the teams using their own team colors in the logo… or maybe its the inverse idea of that, but you get my drift… Right?

    That would at least solve the problem of the Yankees wearing red hats, or the Giants wearing blue hats, and would also allow New Era to have their “special” hats for sale.

    Anyone?

  • Jeff | May 20, 2009 at 11:57 am |

    [quote comment=”330133″][quote comment=”330112″]Try to think of the New Era Stars & Stripes caps (and their other gimmicky caps) from the business side… Can the company really survive just selling the same old traditional on-field cap year after year after year? Probably not, and especially not now-a-days.

    So New Era comes out with a different “special” cap -> the players wear it on field -> people see the players wear it so they buy it -> New Era makes money -> repeat next year.

    If we have to suffer through a few days a year of mis-matched colors in order to keep the high quality traditional New Era caps around, no big deal.

    And in my opinion, SOME of them actually look really nice standalone, it’s just when they mix them with their uniform it looks bad.[/quote]

    Wondering if any PhotoShop experts out there could throw together some prototypes for a ‘compromise’ stars and stripes set: Keep the hat/bill/button in standard team colors, but overlay the stars n stripes on just the logo. Similar concept to the teams using their own team colors in the logo… or maybe its the inverse idea of that, but you get my drift… Right?

    That would at least solve the problem of the Yankees wearing red hats, or the Giants wearing blue hats, and would also allow New Era to have their “special” hats for sale.

    Anyone?[/quote]

    Edit: meant ‘Similar concept to the teams using their own team colors in the MLB logo…

  • mike 2 | May 20, 2009 at 12:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”330103″][quote comment=”330090″]the Indians “patriotic” hats are just so, so wrong.[/quote]

    Yet they look, so, so conservative. I mean, come on, Chief Wahoo is not good in star and stripe form.

    Speaking of which, Could somebody tell the guy who runs New era to consider giving the Jays a maple leaf hat, or nothing at all instead of having the canadian flag on the blue jay? it looks like garbage.[/quote]

    The problem is if New Era did a maple leaf hat, they couldn’t just do it in red and white, they’d have to do it in green and yellow, and blue and white, and orange and black, red and blue…

  • mike 2 | May 20, 2009 at 12:10 pm |

    “One thing the Candela project taught me is that I need to become a better researcher, especially when it comes to things like library archives and other primary sources, which is exactly the skill Angela’s assignment was designed to build. Maybe I should have been in that class.”

    I blame the Google and the internet. I work with a lot of young professionals who I ask to do research from time to time and if they can’t find the answer from their desktop on google, they’re flummoxed. They look shocked when I suggest they get on the phone, head down to the city or provincial archives, the public library, the university library, and actually look in a book.

    Research (other than googling) is rapidly becoming a lost art.

  • Matt Brosseau | May 20, 2009 at 12:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”330126″]On a recent trip to the United Arab Emirates, I was able to catch some cricket matches, which having never seen one in person before was great.[/quote]

    Cricket is a fascinating game and once you learn how it’s played it’s even more fun to watch than baseball. I’ve seen pickup cricket games being played in Queens parks, but never got to see an official match until I went to Bermuda in late July, when they have Cup Match, which is sort of like the Super Bowl of Bermuda cricket…the entire island shuts down and the two teams on the island, Somerset (psychodemographically like the Yankees) and St. George (the Mets) play a three-day match.

    Not only are the ovals (cricket grounds) spectacularly laid-back and somewhat dilapidated, the small crowd makes a lot of noise and the atmosphere is beyond compare. Oh, yes, and there’s legal gambling. This year’s Cup Match is July 30-31 at the St. George oval…I know that JetBlue flies to Bermuda now, so if anyone is looking for a good vacation this summer I highly encourage you to go check this out…it’s like nothing you ever saw in this country.

    Plus you might get to see this bowler play for Somerset…he is like the CC Sabathia of Bermuda and a trip and a half to watch, although that might have been the rum drinks.

  • War Damn Eagle | May 20, 2009 at 12:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”330136″][quote comment=”330103″][quote comment=”330090″]the Indians “patriotic” hats are just so, so wrong.[/quote]

    Yet they look, so, so conservative. I mean, come on, Chief Wahoo is not good in star and stripe form.

    Speaking of which, Could somebody tell the guy who runs New era to consider giving the Jays a maple leaf hat, or nothing at all instead of having the canadian flag on the blue jay? it looks like garbage.[/quote]

    The problem is if New Era did a maple leaf hat, they couldn’t just do it in red and white, they’d have to do it in green and yellow, and blue and white, and orange and black, red and blue…[/quote]

    It’s hard to picture in my mind, but would it look better to keep the hats the same color, but just have the stars/stripes inlay for the cap logo? Would it look stupid for the A’s to keep a green hat, but use the stars/stripes logo?

  • Lee | May 20, 2009 at 12:16 pm |

    [quote comment=\”330138\”]
    Plus you might get to see this bowler play for Somerset…he is like the CC Sabathia of Bermuda and a trip and a half to watch, although that might have been the rum drinks.[/quote]

    It\’s good to know that overzealous uniform design extends to cricket as well.

    Lee

  • rpm | May 20, 2009 at 12:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”330090″]the Indians “patriotic” hats are just so, so wrong.[/quote]

    ain’t that the truth brother. it makes an already bad thing jump up and punch you in the nuts.

  • James Craven | May 20, 2009 at 12:17 pm |

    And speaking of Takacheck…

    Great minds thinking alike.

  • johnny | May 20, 2009 at 12:22 pm |

    Not uni-related, but when I read this story, my first thought was “Did Paul test that toilet?” (link courtesy of Rob Neyer):

    http://www.nypost.co...

  • rpm | May 20, 2009 at 12:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”330118″]Thanks for all the kind words about the room. The frames for the magazines are simple aluminum document frames (8.5×11) from the local Walmart. About $3 each. I can’t find them definitively online. I often buy out the local stock just so the look will be consistent in the future. I have room for a little less than 10 more Super Bowls on that wall (SB L, I suppose).

    Used to have about 40 old baseball issues on the wall in another room that later became my sons’ bedroom. They’re still in frames, just not on the wall now.[/quote]

    as nice as the whole thing is, my favourite part is the duffel. i have been trying to find an olde baltimore colts duffel to replace the one i had as a kid, seeing yours made me nut sack punched jealous.

    two groin punch references in one day. is that a record? as note worthy as pitching out of the most full counts in a game i grant you, but none the less.

  • Bernard | May 20, 2009 at 12:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”330144″][quote comment=”330118″]Thanks for all the kind words about the room. The frames for the magazines are simple aluminum document frames (8.5×11) from the local Walmart. About $3 each. I can’t find them definitively online. I often buy out the local stock just so the look will be consistent in the future. I have room for a little less than 10 more Super Bowls on that wall (SB L, I suppose).

    Used to have about 40 old baseball issues on the wall in another room that later became my sons’ bedroom. They’re still in frames, just not on the wall now.[/quote]

    as nice as the whole thing is, my favourite part is the duffel. i have been trying to find an olde baltimore colts duffel to replace the one i had as a kid, seeing yours made me nut sack punched jealous.

    two groin punch references in one day. is that a record? as note worthy as pitching out of the most full counts in a game i grant you, but none the less.[/quote]

    Shirt of the Day?

    http://deepfriedtrou...

  • JTH | May 20, 2009 at 12:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”330117″][quote comment=”330090″]the Indians “patriotic” hats are just so, so wrong.[/quote]

    I’m confused. I thought the Indians were wearing the their fauxback hats.

    http://shop.mlb.com/...
    Something tells me they’ll be wearing both of them this year. When do they usually wear the fauxback unis? Is it Fridays? I can’t remember.

    Anyway, I wouldn’t be a bit surprised to see that cap on Friday, July 3 and then the “Manifest Destiny” cap with the regular uni on July 4.

  • Squiddie | May 20, 2009 at 12:35 pm |

    There’s a medium sized set of photos of Conn Smythe up on the Life archives. They’re from a 1951 essay on Smythe and the Leafs. A few uni related photos.

    Smythe talking with Danny Lewicki (At least, I think that’s who he’s talking with. He’d have been a rookie in Feb 1951.)

    Leafs and Bruins

    Leafs bench

    Good view of the pads

    What’s Conn Smythe drinking?

    Anyway, it’s filed under Conn Smythe Text Piece. About 93 photos of mainly Smythe in the stands or meetings.

  • Brian | May 20, 2009 at 12:36 pm |

    It wasnt too bad last year for some of the teams wearing blue. I mean, the navy worked out for a lot more teams than bright red, like NYY, Boston, Toronto, Tampa Bay, Atlanta, Washington, Cleveland, Detroit, ChiCubs, Milwaukee, St Louis, Seattle (debatable), and Texas.
    The only ones I can think of off the top of my head that the new red caps would look okay with are LA/Anaheim/California, Cincinnati, Atlanta, Philadelphia, Washington, Minnesota, St Louis, and Texas.

  • pflava | May 20, 2009 at 12:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”330144″][quote comment=”330118″]Thanks for all the kind words about the room. The frames for the magazines are simple aluminum document frames (8.5×11) from the local Walmart. About $3 each. I can’t find them definitively online. I often buy out the local stock just so the look will be consistent in the future. I have room for a little less than 10 more Super Bowls on that wall (SB L, I suppose).

    Used to have about 40 old baseball issues on the wall in another room that later became my sons’ bedroom. They’re still in frames, just not on the wall now.[/quote]

    as nice as the whole thing is, my favourite part is the duffel. i have been trying to find an olde baltimore colts duffel to replace the one i had as a kid, seeing yours made me nut sack punched jealous.

    two groin punch references in one day. is that a record? as note worthy as pitching out of the most full counts in a game i grant you, but none the less.[/quote]

    Holy shit, seeing that Steelers duffel just jogged my memory. I used to have that exact Steelers bag as a kid (not from Pittsburgh, not a fan – I think I liked the black and yellow), and the best part is that I’m pretty sure it’s still in the attic at my parents’ house. Next time I’m there, I’m digging that sucker out.

    Also, that room is fantastic. Makes me wish we had basements in this part of the country.

  • Beardface | May 20, 2009 at 12:40 pm |

    New Era sold its soul to be the unofficial outfitter of the urban/thug/gang lifestyle. Why do you think they sell all those hats in the funky colors, where do you think that concept came from? For guys in gangs who wanted to sport their team caps, but wanted to make sure the caps were in their gang colors. They’ve even had to scrap a couple lines in recent years because they were blatantly marketed toward gangs.

    Might not be the best PR move for them, but they now have plausible deniability because the sales soared elsewhere (mainly because of them being used heavily by gangsta rappers which trickled down to the urban lifestyle which trickled to the black culture which trickled to the white kids who think they’re black). In retrospect, they hit the proverbial gold mine.

  • LI Phil | May 20, 2009 at 12:46 pm |

    serious question

    is the “thug” market that big a deal? not saying it is or isn’t…just don’t know

    can new era really be making a killing marketing to “urban/thug/gang lifestyle” markets?

    *sigh*

    i guess im just extremely naive about this

  • Paul Lukas | May 20, 2009 at 12:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”330150″]New Era sold its soul to be the unofficial outfitter of the urban/thug/gang lifestyle. Why do you think they sell all those hats in the funky colors, where do you think that concept came from? For guys in gangs who wanted to sport their team caps, but wanted to make sure the caps were in their gang colors.[/quote]

    I’m no fan of the caps you’re referring to, but I don’t completely buy your analysis. Exactly how many gang members are out there anyway? Not enough to constitute a major market segment (and besides, wouldn’t most of them be inclined to just steal the caps instead of paying for them?).

    Are many of these caps designed to appeal to adherants of hip-hop culture? Yes. Does that culture sometimes glorify gang activity? Yes, although there’s more to it than that. Personally, I don’t care for hip-hop culture and don’t like these caps, but hey, I’m a 45-yr-old white guy who prefers punk rock (which has sometimes advocated its own forms of violence over the years). To simply say New Era has been making caps for gang members is oversimplistic.

    As for the caps that New Era had to pull from the market, I think it’s fair to say that those caps were glorifying (or at least referencing) gang membership. But just because someone wants to dress up like a gang member doesn’t mean he IS a gang member. Is it fucked up to want to dress like a gang member? Probably, but that’s a whole separate topic rooted in social issues that aren’t germane to this discussion.

  • mike 2 | May 20, 2009 at 12:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”330151″]serious question

    is the “thug” market that big a deal? not saying it is or isn’t…just don’t know

    can new era really be making a killing marketing to “urban/thug/gang lifestyle” markets?

    *sigh*

    i guess im just extremely naive about this[/quote]

    I think the actual thug market is pretty small. The wanna-be thug market, rich white kids trying to look thuggish at the suburban mall food court, is pretty big. Kids who would wet themselves if they ever actually ran into a real gangster.

  • Beardface | May 20, 2009 at 12:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”330151″]serious question

    is the “thug” market that big a deal? not saying it is or isn’t…just don’t know

    can new era really be making a killing marketing to “urban/thug/gang lifestyle” markets?

    *sigh*

    i guess im just extremely naive about this[/quote]
    They wouldn’t be making the product if they weren’t… Either that, or their accountants need to be fired yesterday

  • Squiddie | May 20, 2009 at 12:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”330151″]serious question

    is the “thug” market that big a deal? not saying it is or isn’t…just don’t know

    can new era really be making a killing marketing to “urban/thug/gang lifestyle” markets?

    *sigh*

    i guess im just extremely naive about this[/quote]

    As I understand it, it’s not the thugs proper who are the market. It’s the suburban teenagers who wanna be the thugs who are the market.

    Kinda like punk music. Real punks have no money and can’t buy a lot of product. White suburban punks (as referenced by Otto in Repo Man) are the market.

    How many Ramones shirts were sold to teenage girls at trendy boutiques vs. number of actual Ramones shirts sold at shows?

  • Paul Lukas | May 20, 2009 at 12:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”330154″][quote comment=”330151″]serious question

    is the “thug” market that big a deal? not saying it is or isn’t…just don’t know

    can new era really be making a killing marketing to “urban/thug/gang lifestyle” markets?

    *sigh*

    i guess im just extremely naive about this[/quote]
    They wouldn’t be making the product if they weren’t… Either that, or their accountants need to be fired yesterday[/quote]

    False choice. As noted in my earlier comment, you’re overlooking the difference between the actual thing and people who like to dress up like the thing.

  • JTH | May 20, 2009 at 12:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”330148″]It wasnt too bad last year for some of the teams wearing blue. I mean, the navy worked out for a lot more teams than bright red, like NYY, Boston, Toronto, Tampa Bay, Atlanta, Washington, Cleveland, Detroit, ChiCubs, Milwaukee, St Louis, Seattle (debatable), and Texas.
    The only ones I can think of off the top of my head that the new red caps would look okay with are LA/Anaheim/California, Cincinnati, Atlanta, Philadelphia, Washington, Minnesota, St Louis, and Texas.[/quote]
    I’m thinking they’ll look OK for the Red Sox at home. And they should look almost palatable with the Cubs’ road unis. I’ll go so far as to say that there’s even an outside chance for them to look halfway decent for the Dodgers (home or road).

  • Beardface | May 20, 2009 at 12:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”330152″][quote comment=”330150″]New Era sold its soul to be the unofficial outfitter of the urban/thug/gang lifestyle. Why do you think they sell all those hats in the funky colors, where do you think that concept came from? For guys in gangs who wanted to sport their team caps, but wanted to make sure the caps were in their gang colors.[/quote]

    I’m no fan of the caps you’re referring to, but I don’t completely buy your analysis. Exactly how many gang members are out there anyway? Not enough to constitute a major market segment (and besides, wouldn’t most of them be inclined to just steal the caps instead of paying for them?).

    Are many of these caps designed to appeal to adherants of hip-hop culture? Yes. Does that culture sometimes glorify gang activity? Yes, although there’s more to it than that. Personally, I don’t care for hip-hop culture and don’t like these caps, but hey, I’m a 45-yr-old white guy who prefers punk rock (which has sometimes advocated its own forms of violence over the years). To simply say New Era has been making caps for gang members is oversimplistic.

    As for the caps that New Era had to pull from the market, I think it’s fair to say that those caps were glorifying (or at least referencing) gang membership. But just because someone wants to dress up like a gang member doesn’t mean he IS a gang member. Is it fucked up to want to dress like a gang member? Probably, but that’s a whole separate topic rooted in social issues that aren’t germane to this discussion.[/quote]
    What I meant by ‘urban/thug/gang lifestyle’ is just that, the lifestyle. Not the actual people in it, but the idea of that lifestyle. You know, the one where you have wannabe highschoolers and college kids wearing baggy pants that hang off their asscheeks, a wifebeater, and a neon straight brimmed cap cocked to the side that would shit himself if a gun was ever pulled on him. The market for those kind of douchebags is enormous. Thats the kids that NE is making a killing off of, not the actual thugs and gang members themselves.

    You market to the lifestyle, and the wannabe’s eat it up. Yeah, you’ll get the actual gang members to buy the product, and thats not necessarily good, but the wannabe market more than makes up for it.

  • AK | May 20, 2009 at 12:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”330150″]New Era sold its soul to be the unofficial outfitter of the urban/thug/gang lifestyle. Why do you think they sell all those hats in the funky colors, where do you think that concept came from? For guys in gangs who wanted to sport their team caps, but wanted to make sure the caps were in their gang colors. They’ve even had to scrap a couple lines in recent years because they were blatantly marketed toward gangs.

    Might not be the best PR move for them, but they now have plausible deniability because the sales soared elsewhere (mainly because of them being used heavily by gangsta rappers which trickled down to the urban lifestyle which trickled to the black culture which trickled to the white kids who think they’re black). In retrospect, they hit the proverbial gold mine.[/quote]
    You’re a moron.

  • JTH | May 20, 2009 at 1:07 pm |

    There’s been a bit of chatter lately about the Texases actually looking pretty good in their red alts. I just caught a glimpse of some highlights of the Angels in their red alts.

    If the Texases are a good example of how to make a red alt look decent, the Angels are their polar opposites. Yikes.

  • chance michaels | May 20, 2009 at 1:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”330140″][quote comment=\”330138\”]
    Plus you might get to see this bowler play for Somerset…he is like the CC Sabathia of Bermuda and a trip and a half to watch, although that might have been the rum drinks.[/quote]

    It\’s good to know that overzealous uniform design extends to cricket as well.[/quote]

    International cricket is unusual in that there are different styles of uniforms for different types of matches.

    For example, in traditional test cricket England looks very respectable. For one-day internationals and Twenty20s (shorter, newer versions of the game), not so much.

  • Shaun | May 20, 2009 at 1:18 pm |

    if New Era really wanted to make every team look super patriotic they would outfit every team in team USA hats (WBC/Oly) with the team logo on the side, show that the nation really is bigger than the individual teams

  • The Dude | May 20, 2009 at 1:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”330098″]New Era. They must be the biggest necessary evil in licensed sport apparel. The Authentic On Field line is their only redeeming quality. (I buy a new A’s cap, every other year.)

    Those Stars and Stripes lids are stupid.

    Whenever I see a cat wearing a New Era lid (that isn’t an Authentic On Field,) I think, “whatta douche.” The guy could be a frickin saint, but the first impression is douchebag.[/quote]

    One amendment: The authentic on-field line WAS the company’s only redeeming quality, until they douched themselves by ghetto-fabbing every ballplayer (save Papelbon, and even he has apparently caved). The major malfunctions imparted upon League headwear are an insult to the most historic game still being contested. Black underbrims? Idiotic. As addressed astutely by Paul in the past, an idiosyncratic nuance of the game has been destroyed by erasing the canvas on which players customize their lids. Not to mention blackening the internal sweatband as well, which eliminates the beautiful contrast that a hint of white peeking out above the ear created. The charring of the cap’s guts ranks third among “New Errors” MLB sombreros.
    Short and sweet, and utterly stupid: The puffy raised batterman logo on the cap’s heel. Save this stupid design for the urban account hats you so desperately need to produce to sully some of the coolest logos ever created. Might as well include a NEflag on the left side, because all other authentic-non-authentic markings have been eliminated.
    And the most egregious insult to the ballcap: POLYESTER. Wool knit caps, as any uni-watcher worth his or her weight in stirrups knows, fit like a good t-shirt. It takes a little time, lots of love, and a good hard sweat to break them in to a snug-fitting best friend. Additionally, sweat-stains are something to strive for, not avoided like New Error likes to advertise.

    Corporations suck

  • Jeremy Brahm | May 20, 2009 at 1:40 pm |

    We all know when the color craze began. It began when Wayne Gretzky was traded to the LA Kings. Prior to the trade, the LA Kings had the same colors as the Lakers, purple and yellow. Once the trade we down, the Kings went to silver and black to match the Raiders. The trade of course increased their sales of gear, but the color change even drove sales further. After that every team wanted to add black to their color schemes.

  • Jeff P | May 20, 2009 at 1:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”330162″]if New Era really wanted to make every team look super patriotic they would outfit every team in team USA hats (WBC/Oly) with the team logo on the side, show that the nation really is bigger than the individual teams[/quote]
    That sir, would be awesome. Especally since the three USA hats could cover the vast majority of MLB between red, blue, and blue with red brim.

    Rather, that would be awesome if we have to do a different cap.

  • Ricko | May 20, 2009 at 1:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”330162″]if New Era really wanted to make every team look super patriotic they would outfit every team in team USA hats (WBC/Oly) with the team logo on the side, show that the nation really is bigger than the individual teams[/quote]

    By light years, that is the most sensible suggestion I’ve encountered on the subject.

    It even allows the possibility of somewhat relative matching because there were (for WBC) anyway) three different caps.

    —Ricko

  • Michael | May 20, 2009 at 1:56 pm |

    I have a question, one that is not Uni-Related, but sports related and I would imagine I could get an answer from some reader:

    If the Blue Jays won the World Series, would they visit the White House? Or just the Prime Minister in Canada? Anyone know if they went in ’92 and ’93?

  • War Damn Eagle | May 20, 2009 at 1:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”330165″][quote comment=”330162″]if New Era really wanted to make every team look super patriotic they would outfit every team in team USA hats (WBC/Oly) with the team logo on the side, show that the nation really is bigger than the individual teams[/quote]
    That sir, would be awesome. Especally since the three USA hats could cover the vast majority of MLB between red, blue, and blue with red brim.

    Rather, that would be awesome if we have to do a different cap.[/quote]

    I’m not so sure it’s a good idea to force foreign players (especially those who have participated in the WBC or Olympics) to wear the hat of USA Baseball. And I say this even for nationality-challenged A-Rod.

  • Sam | May 20, 2009 at 2:00 pm |

    … Some sort of spambot attacked one of our scripts …

    Regarding the above note, I received a fairy dire-looking Virus Threat Notice from my safety software when I came to read the site today. I’ve been coming to read for a couple of years, but this is the first time I’ve ever seen a message like that. Hopefully you’re already on top of this, but I just wanted to make you aware.

  • Paul Lukas | May 20, 2009 at 2:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”330158″][quote comment=”330152″][quote comment=”330150″]New Era sold its soul to be the unofficial outfitter of the urban/thug/gang lifestyle. Why do you think they sell all those hats in the funky colors, where do you think that concept came from? For guys in gangs who wanted to sport their team caps, but wanted to make sure the caps were in their gang colors.[/quote]

    I’m no fan of the caps you’re referring to, but I don’t completely buy your analysis. Exactly how many gang members are out there anyway? Not enough to constitute a major market segment (and besides, wouldn’t most of them be inclined to just steal the caps instead of paying for them?).

    Are many of these caps designed to appeal to adherants of hip-hop culture? Yes. Does that culture sometimes glorify gang activity? Yes, although there’s more to it than that. Personally, I don’t care for hip-hop culture and don’t like these caps, but hey, I’m a 45-yr-old white guy who prefers punk rock (which has sometimes advocated its own forms of violence over the years). To simply say New Era has been making caps for gang members is oversimplistic.

    As for the caps that New Era had to pull from the market, I think it’s fair to say that those caps were glorifying (or at least referencing) gang membership. But just because someone wants to dress up like a gang member doesn’t mean he IS a gang member. Is it fucked up to want to dress like a gang member? Probably, but that’s a whole separate topic rooted in social issues that aren’t germane to this discussion.[/quote]
    What I meant by ‘urban/thug/gang lifestyle’ is just that, the lifestyle. Not the actual people in it, but the idea of that lifestyle. You know, the one where you have wannabe highschoolers and college kids wearing baggy pants that hang off their asscheeks, a wifebeater, and a neon straight brimmed cap cocked to the side that would shit himself if a gun was ever pulled on him. The market for those kind of douchebags is enormous. Thats the kids that NE is making a killing off of, not the actual thugs and gang members themselves.

    You market to the lifestyle, and the wannabe’s eat it up. Yeah, you’ll get the actual gang members to buy the product, and thats not necessarily good, but the wannabe market more than makes up for it.[/quote]

    But that’s not what you wrote. Here’s what you wrote:

    “Why do you think they sell all those hats in the funky colors, where do you think that concept came from? For guys in gangs who wanted to sport their team caps, but wanted to make sure the caps were in their gang colors.”

    If you’re backtracking or clarifying now, great.

    As for the whole baggy/hip-hop look, I don’t like it. But I’m not supposed to like it. The whole point (well, ONE point) of youth fashion is to piss off people like me. And you.

  • Squiddie | May 20, 2009 at 2:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”330167″]I have a question, one that is not Uni-Related, but sports related and I would imagine I could get an answer from some reader:

    If the Blue Jays won the World Series, would they visit the White House? Or just the Prime Minister in Canada? Anyone know if they went in ’92 and ’93?[/quote]

    The Blue Jays met with George H. W. Bush at the White House in December 1992.

  • Ricko | May 20, 2009 at 2:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”330168″][quote comment=”330165″][quote comment=”330162″]if New Era really wanted to make every team look super patriotic they would outfit every team in team USA hats (WBC/Oly) with the team logo on the side, show that the nation really is bigger than the individual teams[/quote]
    That sir, would be awesome. Especally since the three USA hats could cover the vast majority of MLB between red, blue, and blue with red brim.

    Rather, that would be awesome if we have to do a different cap.[/quote]

    I’m not so sure it’s a good idea to force foreign players (especially those who have participated in the WBC or Olympics) to wear the hat of USA Baseball. And I say this even for nationality-challenged A-Rod.[/quote]

    As I’ve mentioned before, they seem to have no trouble cashing their paychecks from the teams they play for.

    If the team-mandated uni for a given day offends them, let them ask to sit out and forfeit one game’s pay. As I’ve also mentioned, in many cases, that check might be enough to buy lunch for their entire home province.

    In short, I don’t think a player’s rights or his national honor need be abused. But if they were, he could certainly put his money where his mouth was.

    —Ricko

  • LI Phil | May 20, 2009 at 2:13 pm |

    one more serious question, and again please forgive my naiveté

    when did it become cool to dress like you just got out of prison?

    and if that fashion trend actually became ‘the norm’ (not that it would)…would today’s youth suddenly dress like the blond dude from saved by the bell? ya know…just to piss off the generation before them

  • JTH | May 20, 2009 at 2:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”330171″][quote comment=”330167″]I have a question, one that is not Uni-Related, but sports related and I would imagine I could get an answer from some reader:

    If the Blue Jays won the World Series, would they visit the White House? Or just the Prime Minister in Canada? Anyone know if they went in ’92 and ’93?[/quote]

    The Blue Jays met with George H. W. Bush at the White House in December 1992.[/quote]
    And Clinton?

    MUST RESIST… URGE… TO MAKE… BAD… *WHITE HOUSE/BJ* PUN…

  • JTH | May 20, 2009 at 2:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”330173″]one more serious question, and again please forgive my naiveté

    when did it become cool to dress like you just got out of prison?

    and if that fashion trend actually became ‘the norm’ (not that it would)…would today’s youth suddenly dress like the blond dude from saved by the bell? ya know…just to piss off the generation before them[/quote]
    WTF? A couple minutes ago, that comment looked normal, now it’s got a huge-texted, bold and blue link on the word “naivete”.

  • JTH | May 20, 2009 at 2:24 pm |

    Oh, and the blond dude on SBTB is Mark-Paul Gosselaar, aka Zack Morris.

  • LI Phil | May 20, 2009 at 2:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”330175″][quote comment=”330173″]one more serious question, and again please forgive my naiveté

    when did it become cool to dress like you just got out of prison?

    and if that fashion trend actually became ‘the norm’ (not that it would)…would today’s youth suddenly dress like the blond dude from saved by the bell? ya know…just to piss off the generation before them[/quote]
    WTF? A couple minutes ago, that comment looked normal, now it’s got a huge-texted, bold and blue link on the word “naivete”.[/quote]

    all part of gods great plan, james

    /actually…i don’t know WTF happened…but i’ll fix it if it really annoys you ;)

  • War Damn Eagle | May 20, 2009 at 2:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”330172″][quote comment=”330168″][quote comment=”330165″][quote comment=”330162″]if New Era really wanted to make every team look super patriotic they would outfit every team in team USA hats (WBC/Oly) with the team logo on the side, show that the nation really is bigger than the individual teams[/quote]
    That sir, would be awesome. Especally since the three USA hats could cover the vast majority of MLB between red, blue, and blue with red brim.

    Rather, that would be awesome if we have to do a different cap.[/quote]

    I’m not so sure it’s a good idea to force foreign players (especially those who have participated in the WBC or Olympics) to wear the hat of USA Baseball. And I say this even for nationality-challenged A-Rod.[/quote]

    As I’ve mentioned before, they seem to have no trouble cashing their paychecks from the teams they play for.

    If the team-mandated uni for a given day offends them, let them ask to sit out and forfeit one game’s pay. As I’ve also mentioned, in many cases, that check might be enough to buy lunch for their entire home province.

    In short, I don’t think a player’s rights or his national honor need be abused. But if they were, he could certainly put his money where his mouth was.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    But shouldn’t they wear the hat of the team that employs them? They don’t get paid by USA Baseball.

    These stars and stripes hats are garish and “look at me.” If MLB really wanted to donate to a charity for returning veterans they should ask players to consider donating their pay for Memorial Day, Independence Day or 9/11. Leave it up to them. Rather, they force fans to shell out $37 for a stupid-looking hat.

    Again, what was so wrong with a simple American flag patch on the side of the hat? Too easy to DIY?

    A “Americanized” version of a team’s hat is certainly better than forcing a player to wear the exact same hat of America’s national basaeball team. It’s like asking a Packers fan to wear a Vikings hat, or an Auburn fan to wear an Alabama hat. NOT HAPPENING.

    International baseball is pretty competitive (at least among countries outside the US). Forcing a Venezuala national to wear a USA Baseball hat would be politicize things, which is not a good idea. It’s like asking Ichiro to wear a Team Korea hat.

  • JTH | May 20, 2009 at 2:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”330177″][quote comment=”330175″][quote comment=”330173″]one more serious question, and again please forgive my naiveté

    when did it become cool to dress like you just got out of prison?

    and if that fashion trend actually became ‘the norm’ (not that it would)…would today’s youth suddenly dress like the blond dude from saved by the bell? ya know…just to piss off the generation before them[/quote]
    WTF? A couple minutes ago, that comment looked normal, now it’s got a huge-texted, bold and blue link on the word “naivete”.[/quote]

    all part of gods great plan, james

    /actually…i don’t know WTF happened…but i’ll fix it if it really annoys you ;)[/quote]
    Not annoying. Just weird. Fallout from that earlier spambot thing?

  • LI Phil | May 20, 2009 at 2:28 pm |

    [quote]It’s like asking … an Auburn fan to wear an Alabama hat. NOT HAPPENING.[/quote]

    what if they paid you?

  • Squiddie | May 20, 2009 at 2:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”330173″]one more serious question, and again please forgive my naiveté

    when did it become cool to dress like you just got out of prison?
    [/quote]

    You mean it hasn’t always been cooll?

    To take an urban example, the ultra baggy-no belt pants look that was popular back in the mid-90s and still seems around developed from ill fitting prison clothes. So that’s been about fifteen years.

  • Teebz | May 20, 2009 at 2:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”330164″]We all know when the color craze began. It began when Wayne Gretzky was traded to the LA Kings. Prior to the trade, the LA Kings had the same colors as the Lakers, purple and yellow. Once the trade we down, the Kings went to silver and black to match the Raiders. The trade of course increased their sales of gear, but the color change even drove sales further. After that every team wanted to add black to their color schemes.[/quote]

    As much as you’d like to believe that, Jeremy, Bruce McNall never wanted the gold-and-purple after he bought the franchise.

    If you remember, the annoucement of the Gretzky trade actually coincided with the introduction of the new uniforms. McNall introduced Gretzky and wife Janet Jones to the press on the same day in those new uniforms.

    Since the uniforms and the new look would have had to been cleared with the NHL long before the Gretzky trade, Gretzky appearing in black-and-silver at the press conference was merely coincidental and, albeit, perfect timing for McNall.

  • War Damn Eagle | May 20, 2009 at 2:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”330180″][quote]It’s like asking … an Auburn fan to wear an Alabama hat. NOT HAPPENING.[/quote]

    what if they paid you?[/quote]

    they don’t have enough money. my principles aren’t for sale.

  • Bernard | May 20, 2009 at 2:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”330173″]one more serious question, and again please forgive my naiveté

    when did it become cool to dress like you just got out of prison?

    and if that fashion trend actually became ‘the norm’ (not that it would)…would today’s youth suddenly dress like the blond dude from saved by the bell? ya know…just to piss off the generation before them[/quote]

    It became cool right after it was cool to dress like a lumberjack (grunge), which came right after it was cool to dress like you were from space (new wave), which came right after it was cool to dress like you were from Thunderdome (punk), which came right after it was cool to dress like a sexy used car salesman (disco)…

  • SteveSmith | May 20, 2009 at 2:39 pm |

    I don’t know how to make links but this story has to do with the Mets
    http://msn.foxsports...

  • chance michaels | May 20, 2009 at 2:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”330163″]The major malfunctions imparted upon League headwear are an insult to the most historic game still being contested. Black underbrims? Idiotic. As addressed astutely by Paul in the past, an idiosyncratic nuance of the game has been destroyed by erasing the canvas on which players customize their lids. Not to mention blackening the internal sweatband as well, which eliminates the beautiful contrast that a hint of white peeking out above the ear created. The charring of the cap’s guts ranks third among “New Errors” MLB sombreros.[/quote]

    Can’t agree with you – I hate the “look at me” customizations too many players used to write under their brims. I like the black underbrims for their visually cooling effect, and losing the canvas for “uniform self-expression” is a side benefit.

    As for the black sweatband, that’s another plus to my eye. I don’t want to see their underwear peeking out from their waistband, why should I want to see the sweatyband peeking out from underneath the cap? Upgrade.

    I’m with you on the puffy embroidery, be it the batterman logo or the team logo itself. It muddies the design and makes the logos harder to read.

    [quote comment=”330163″]Additionally, sweat-stains are something to strive for, not avoided like New Error likes to advertise.[/quote]

    Okay, here I have to strenuously object, Your Honor. Sweat-stained caps beg to be replaced, just as does a pit-stained t-shirt. It’s especially egregious when worn by a player, who can get a new one for the asking.

    I’m no fan of New Era, which aside from the stupid fashion caps has perhaps the worst quality control of any significant corporation in this country, but I like the new caps.

  • Kek | May 20, 2009 at 2:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”330171″][quote comment=”330167″]I have a question, one that is not Uni-Related, but sports related and I would imagine I could get an answer from some reader:

    If the Blue Jays won the World Series, would they visit the White House? Or just the Prime Minister in Canada? Anyone know if they went in ’92 and ’93?[/quote]

    The Blue Jays met with George H. W. Bush at the White House in December 1992.[/quote]
    If I recall correctly, James Harrison didn’t make the visit back then either.

  • War Damn Eagle | May 20, 2009 at 2:43 pm |

    I’m no fan of New Era, which aside from the stupid fashion caps has perhaps the worst quality control of any significant corporation in this country, but I like the new caps.[/quote]

    I think Majestic probably ranks lower than New Era on the quality control front.

    http://www.totalpros...

  • LI Phil | May 20, 2009 at 2:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”330185″][quote comment=”330173″]one more serious question, and again please forgive my naiveté

    when did it become cool to dress like you just got out of prison?

    and if that fashion trend actually became ‘the norm’ (not that it would)…would today’s youth suddenly dress like the blond dude from saved by the bell? ya know…just to piss off the generation before them[/quote]

    It became cool right after it was cool to dress like a lumberjack (grunge), which came right after it was cool to dress like you were from space (new wave), which came right after it was cool to dress like you were from Thunderdome (punk), which came right after it was cool to dress like a sexy used car salesman (disco)…[/quote]

    thanks bernard…

    i probably should have rephrased my question

    why would you want to look like you just got out of prison? isn’t that usually a bad thing?

  • Bernard | May 20, 2009 at 2:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”330176″]Oh, and the blond dude on SBTB is Mark-Paul Gosselaar, aka Zack Morris.[/quote]

    Saved By The Bell makes an appearance in the comments for the third day in a row…

    SBTBFSBTBS?

  • Paul Lukas | May 20, 2009 at 2:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”330172″][quote comment=”330168″][quote comment=”330165″][quote comment=”330162″]if New Era really wanted to make every team look super patriotic they would outfit every team in team USA hats (WBC/Oly) with the team logo on the side, show that the nation really is bigger than the individual teams[/quote]
    That sir, would be awesome. Especally since the three USA hats could cover the vast majority of MLB between red, blue, and blue with red brim.

    Rather, that would be awesome if we have to do a different cap.[/quote]

    I’m not so sure it’s a good idea to force foreign players (especially those who have participated in the WBC or Olympics) to wear the hat of USA Baseball. And I say this even for nationality-challenged A-Rod.[/quote]

    As I’ve mentioned before, they seem to have no trouble cashing their paychecks from the teams they play for.

    If the team-mandated uni for a given day offends them, let them ask to sit out and forfeit one game’s pay. As I’ve also mentioned, in many cases, that check might be enough to buy lunch for their entire home province.[/quote]

    Another false choice. As I wrote in last week’s camo article (different topic, the words apply here just as well):

    “Look, I know the drill: They play here, make lots of money here and so on, so they should stand for our national anthem, respect our customs and wear whatever uniform they’re given — agreed. … Maybe some foreign players don’t mind this, but again, why even go there? Why create a situation that’s incongruous or arguably insensitive?”

    Yes, wear what’s given to you. But if you’re telling people to wear something that doesn’t quite make sense for a significant portion of your team, then maybe you should re-think what you’re telling them to wear.

  • MPowers1634 | May 20, 2009 at 2:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”330173″]one more serious question, and again please forgive my naiveté

    when did it become cool to dress like you just got out of prison?

    and if that fashion trend actually became ‘the norm’ (not that it would)…would today’s youth suddenly dress like the blond dude from saved by the bell? ya know…just to piss off the generation before them[/quote]

    Saved By the Bell is definitely getting alot of mileage on UW lately.

    Working in a school full of 1400 eighth and ninth graders is an interesting experiment.

    The staples of the kid’s outfits haven’t changed much since I was iN ninth grade in 1992: Baggy pants, Timberlands, Air Jordans, North Face jackets, Fitteds(5950’s) and the ever present Nike Air Force 1’s.

    The new trend of the “skater-punk” movement is to wear ultra-tight skinny jeans in flamboyant colors with big floppy 80’s type high top sneakers.

    They are all equally hard to stomach, and I can explain to them until I’m purple in the face about “Dressing for where they”re going instead of dressing for where they are”, but until it truly affects them nothing will change.

    Did it for any of us? I don’t think so. Wisdom caomes from experience and until they experience and one day decide to buy a blazer, straight leg jeans and a pair of square toed oxfords, that metamorphosis won’t happen so I take a breath, wait and watch….uni-watch that is.

  • ritom | May 20, 2009 at 2:54 pm |

    Fantastic giveaway at Kauffman Stadium on June 16th: Zack Greinke T-shirt

  • Shaun | May 20, 2009 at 2:55 pm |

    The auburn alabama hat is a bat analogy. it would be more like being from california, working for a company in colorado, and for a few days out of the year you wear a colorado hat. i dont think ive ever had a comment on here so well received xD

  • JTH | May 20, 2009 at 2:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”330190″]
    why would you want to look like you just got out of prison? isn’t that usually a bad thing?[/quote]
    Not if you’re the one who’s actually getting out of prison.

  • Squiddie | May 20, 2009 at 2:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”330188″][quote comment=”330171″][quote comment=”330167″]I have a question, one that is not Uni-Related, but sports related and I would imagine I could get an answer from some reader:

    If the Blue Jays won the World Series, would they visit the White House? Or just the Prime Minister in Canada? Anyone know if they went in ’92 and ’93?[/quote]

    The Blue Jays met with George H. W. Bush at the White House in December 1992.[/quote]
    If I recall correctly, James Harrison didn’t make the visit back then either.[/quote]

    To be fair, he was only 14 and his mom wouldn’t let him go.

    I shouldn’t keep linking to The Onion, but this is topical in multiple ways.

    Steelers jersey worn to Pirates game

  • Shaun | May 20, 2009 at 3:00 pm |

    i want that shirt! I will be going to the Braves game tomorrow night where the giveaway is the 1970s hat, which i know is very popular on this site

  • LI Phil | May 20, 2009 at 3:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”330196″][quote comment=”330190″]
    why would you want to look like you just got out of prison? isn’t that usually a bad thing?[/quote]
    Not if you’re the one who’s actually getting out of prison.[/quote]

    touché

  • MPowers1634 | May 20, 2009 at 3:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”330190″][quote comment=”330185″][quote comment=”330173″]one more serious question, and again please forgive my naiveté

    when did it become cool to dress like you just got out of prison?

    and if that fashion trend actually became ‘the norm’ (not that it would)…would today’s youth suddenly dress like the blond dude from saved by the bell? ya know…just to piss off the generation before them[/quote]

    It became cool right after it was cool to dress like a lumberjack (grunge), which came right after it was cool to dress like you were from space (new wave), which came right after it was cool to dress like you were from Thunderdome (punk), which came right after it was cool to dress like a sexy used car salesman (disco)…[/quote]

    thanks bernard…

    i probably should have rephrased my question

    why would you want to look like you just got out of prison? isn’t that usually a bad thing?[/quote]

    Apparently…Coincidence or not….some recently released jamoke just called in to Francessa on New York’s WFAN to:

    A. Thank him for helping him get through his days in the pokey.

    and

    B. Suggested that the key to fixing the Mets is to hire Yogi Berra to manage them.

    Maybe he’s been in a while.

    As for New Era’s QC…I buy ALOT of 5950’s and sicne they switched over from wool to polyester, have NEVER picked up two 7 1/4’s that are the same size…very frustrating/

  • M.Princip | May 20, 2009 at 3:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”330186″]I don’t know how to make links but this story has to do with the Mets
    http://msn.foxsports...

    Never thought to ask, yet, is there a detailed explanation on how to embed links within text here? If so, can someone post a link to it? Thanks.

  • Kek | May 20, 2009 at 3:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”330197″][quote comment=”330188″][quote comment=”330171″][quote comment=”330167″]I have a question, one that is not Uni-Related, but sports related and I would imagine I could get an answer from some reader:

    If the Blue Jays won the World Series, would they visit the White House? Or just the Prime Minister in Canada? Anyone know if they went in ’92 and ’93?[/quote]

    The Blue Jays met with George H. W. Bush at the White House in December 1992.[/quote]
    If I recall correctly, James Harrison didn’t make the visit back then either.[/quote]

    To be fair, he was only 14 and his mom wouldn’t let him go.

    I shouldn’t keep linking to The Onion, but this is topical in multiple ways.

    Steelers jersey worn to Pirates game[/quote]
    that onion story, it’s funny cause it’s true

    This is a pet peeve of my wife’s by the way. People at her office are wearing Steelers’ gear for their Penguins’ days and it drives her crazy.

  • Alex | May 20, 2009 at 3:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”330128″][quote comment=”330125″]Somebody explain this one to me, please? Was there a bird team mix up at NewEra?

    http://www.neweracap...

    Part of New Era ingenious “Twisted” line.

    http://www.lids.com/...

    Now that is cool. Perhaps they should try that as a promotion, y’know team mashup night.

    I can see it now: Baltimore Blue Jays vs. Toronto Orioles, Arizona Cardinals vs. St. Louis Diamondbacks, New York Giants vs. San Francisco Mets. Kansas City Mariners vs. Seattle Royals

  • Beardface | May 20, 2009 at 3:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”330196″][quote comment=”330190″]
    why would you want to look like you just got out of prison? isn’t that usually a bad thing?[/quote]
    Not if you’re the one who’s actually getting out of prison.[/quote]
    Day 1 of the post-prison Michael Vick references begins…

  • War Damn Eagle | May 20, 2009 at 3:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”330200″][quote comment=”330190″][quote comment=”330185″][quote comment=”330173″]one more serious question, and again please forgive my naiveté

    when did it become cool to dress like you just got out of prison?

    and if that fashion trend actually became ‘the norm’ (not that it would)…would today’s youth suddenly dress like the blond dude from saved by the bell? ya know…just to piss off the generation before them[/quote]

    It became cool right after it was cool to dress like a lumberjack (grunge), which came right after it was cool to dress like you were from space (new wave), which came right after it was cool to dress like you were from Thunderdome (punk), which came right after it was cool to dress like a sexy used car salesman (disco)…[/quote]

    thanks bernard…

    i probably should have rephrased my question

    why would you want to look like you just got out of prison? isn’t that usually a bad thing?[/quote]

    Apparently…Coincidence or not….some recently released jamoke just called in to Francessa on New York’s WFAN to:

    A. Thank him for helping him get through his days in the pokey.

    and

    B. Suggested that the key to fixing the Mets is to hire Yogi Berra to manage them.

    Maybe he’s been in a while.

    As for New Era’s QC…I buy ALOT of 5950’s and sicne they switched over from wool to polyester, have NEVER picked up two 7 1/4’s that are the same size…very frustrating/[/quote]

    I’ll second the size variation. I have a Braves hat that’s 7 1/8 and one that’s 7 1/4 . . . they fit the same.

  • Kek | May 20, 2009 at 3:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”330192″][quote comment=”330172″][quote comment=”330168″][quote comment=”330165″][quote comment=”330162″]if New Era really wanted to make every team look super patriotic they would outfit every team in team USA hats (WBC/Oly) with the team logo on the side, show that the nation really is bigger than the individual teams[/quote]
    That sir, would be awesome. Especally since the three USA hats could cover the vast majority of MLB between red, blue, and blue with red brim.

    Rather, that would be awesome if we have to do a different cap.[/quote]

    I’m not so sure it’s a good idea to force foreign players (especially those who have participated in the WBC or Olympics) to wear the hat of USA Baseball. And I say this even for nationality-challenged A-Rod.[/quote]

    As I’ve mentioned before, they seem to have no trouble cashing their paychecks from the teams they play for.

    If the team-mandated uni for a given day offends them, let them ask to sit out and forfeit one game’s pay. As I’ve also mentioned, in many cases, that check might be enough to buy lunch for their entire home province.[/quote]

    Another false choice. As I wrote in last week’s camo article (different topic, the words apply here just as well):

    “Look, I know the drill: They play here, make lots of money here and so on, so they should stand for our national anthem, respect our customs and wear whatever uniform they’re given — agreed. … Maybe some foreign players don’t mind this, but again, why even go there? Why create a situation that’s incongruous or arguably insensitive?”

    Yes, wear what’s given to you. But if you’re telling people to wear something that doesn’t quite make sense for a significant portion of your team, then maybe you should re-think what you’re telling them to wear.[/quote]
    Maybe this is a question for Jeremy Brahm or Mark in Shiga, but do the Japanese leagues do stuff like this and what, if anything, is the reaction of the American, and all other non-Japanese players’ reactions?

  • MPowers1634 | May 20, 2009 at 3:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”330202″][quote comment=”330197″][quote comment=”330188″][quote comment=”330171″][quote comment=”330167″]I have a question, one that is not Uni-Related, but sports related and I would imagine I could get an answer from some reader:

    If the Blue Jays won the World Series, would they visit the White House? Or just the Prime Minister in Canada? Anyone know if they went in ’92 and ’93?[/quote]

    The Blue Jays met with George H. W. Bush at the White House in December 1992.[/quote]
    If I recall correctly, James Harrison didn’t make the visit back then either.[/quote]

    To be fair, he was only 14 and his mom wouldn’t let him go.

    I shouldn’t keep linking to The Onion, but this is topical in multiple ways.

    Steelers jersey worn to Pirates game[/quote]
    that onion story, it’s funny cause it’s true

    This is a pet peeve of my wife’s by the way. People at her office are wearing Steelers’ gear for their Penguins’ days and it drives her crazy.[/quote]

    That is one uni-worthy woman, Doug.
    If you can just get her to sign offf on the barn, she’d be as great as Hillary Rhoda:

    http://www.nypost.co...

  • M.Princip | May 20, 2009 at 3:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”330169″]… Some sort of spambot attacked one of our scripts …

    Regarding the above note, I received a fairy dire-looking Virus Threat Notice from my safety software when I came to read the site today. I’ve been coming to read for a couple of years, but this is the first time I’ve ever seen a message like that. Hopefully you’re already on top of this, but I just wanted to make you aware.[/quote]

    Google has been acting funny today as well.

  • Shaun | May 20, 2009 at 3:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”330199″][quote comment=”330196″][quote comment=”330190″]
    why would you want to look like you just got out of prison? isn’t that usually a bad thing?[/quote]
    Not if you’re the one who’s actually getting out of prison.[/quote]

    touché[/quote]

    I work at a sporting goods store where we sell the 59Fifty hats flat brimmed, and it takes all the will power i have to not go through and bend all the brims, nobody looks good in them and they are a disgrace IMO

  • War Damn Eagle | May 20, 2009 at 3:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”330195″]The auburn alabama hat is a bat analogy. it would be more like being from california, working for a company in colorado, and for a few days out of the year you wear a colorado hat. i dont think ive ever had a comment on here so well received xD[/quote]

    I don’t think that analogy works, either.

    The more we debate this, the more I move towards Paul’s position: Don’t use the uniform for this sort of stuff (at least I think that’s his position).

  • chance michaels | May 20, 2009 at 3:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”330194″]Fantastic giveaway at Kauffman Stadium on June 16th: Zack Greinke T-shirt[/quote]

    Okay, that just might be the single best SGA t-shirt ever.

  • Ricko | May 20, 2009 at 3:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”330192″][quote comment=”330172″][quote comment=”330168″][quote comment=”330165″][quote comment=”330162″]if New Era really wanted to make every team look super patriotic they would outfit every team in team USA hats (WBC/Oly) with the team logo on the side, show that the nation really is bigger than the individual teams[/quote]
    That sir, would be awesome. Especally since the three USA hats could cover the vast majority of MLB between red, blue, and blue with red brim.

    Rather, that would be awesome if we have to do a different cap.[/quote]

    I’m not so sure it’s a good idea to force foreign players (especially those who have participated in the WBC or Olympics) to wear the hat of USA Baseball. And I say this even for nationality-challenged A-Rod.[/quote]

    As I’ve mentioned before, they seem to have no trouble cashing their paychecks from the teams they play for.

    If the team-mandated uni for a given day offends them, let them ask to sit out and forfeit one game’s pay. As I’ve also mentioned, in many cases, that check might be enough to buy lunch for their entire home province.[/quote]

    Another false choice. As I wrote in last week’s camo article (different topic, the words apply here just as well):

    “Look, I know the drill: They play here, make lots of money here and so on, so they should stand for our national anthem, respect our customs and wear whatever uniform they’re given — agreed. … Maybe some foreign players don’t mind this, but again, why even go there? Why create a situation that’s incongruous or arguably insensitive?”

    Yes, wear what’s given to you. But if you’re telling people to wear something that doesn’t quite make sense for a significant portion of your team, then maybe you should re-think what you’re telling them to wear.[/quote]

    Point taken. Still seems, though, that some kind of universal hat or hat (one navy, one red) with individual team logo on the side would be better, and make far more sense…for the reasons originally suggested.

  • Brian | May 20, 2009 at 3:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”330209″][quote comment=”330199″][quote comment=”330196″][quote comment=”330190″]
    why would you want to look like you just got out of prison? isn’t that usually a bad thing?[/quote]
    Not if you’re the one who’s actually getting out of prison.[/quote]

    touché[/quote]

    I work at a sporting goods store where we sell the 59Fifty hats flat brimmed, and it takes all the will power i have to not go through and bend all the brims, nobody looks good in them and they are a disgrace IMO[/quote]
    Tell me about it. I went to the store at the beginning of the season to pick up a new Rays cap and thought about getting a 59Fifty cap, but (once I finally found the right size) I couldn’t bring myself to wear something with a flat brim, and I didn’t think the store employees would appreciate me bending the brim.

  • Bernard | May 20, 2009 at 3:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”330190″][quote comment=”330185″][quote comment=”330173″]one more serious question, and again please forgive my naiveté

    when did it become cool to dress like you just got out of prison?

    and if that fashion trend actually became ‘the norm’ (not that it would)…would today’s youth suddenly dress like the blond dude from saved by the bell? ya know…just to piss off the generation before them[/quote]

    It became cool right after it was cool to dress like a lumberjack (grunge), which came right after it was cool to dress like you were from space (new wave), which came right after it was cool to dress like you were from Thunderdome (punk), which came right after it was cool to dress like a sexy used car salesman (disco)…[/quote]

    thanks bernard…

    i probably should have rephrased my question

    why would you want to look like you just got out of prison? isn’t that usually a bad thing?[/quote]

    No need to rephrase, Phil – I totally got what you were saying. I was just trying to point out that there’s been at least a couple decades worth of fashion trends associated with music scenes that probably made people scratch their heads at the time.

    FWIW, I believe the baggy clothing trend in hip hop culture is ALSO derived from underpriveledged urban youth having to wear ill-fitting clothes that were either handed down from larger relatives or purchased at thrift stores, so that they would be able to grow into them for a few years. That’s not to say the prison connection isn’t part of it, because it is, but it also came from being broke and having to wear whatever you could get your hands on.

  • Paul Lukas | May 20, 2009 at 3:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”330206″][quote comment=”330192″][quote comment=”330172″][quote comment=”330168″][quote comment=”330165″][quote comment=”330162″]if New Era really wanted to make every team look super patriotic they would outfit every team in team USA hats (WBC/Oly) with the team logo on the side, show that the nation really is bigger than the individual teams[/quote]
    That sir, would be awesome. Especally since the three USA hats could cover the vast majority of MLB between red, blue, and blue with red brim.

    Rather, that would be awesome if we have to do a different cap.[/quote]

    I’m not so sure it’s a good idea to force foreign players (especially those who have participated in the WBC or Olympics) to wear the hat of USA Baseball. And I say this even for nationality-challenged A-Rod.[/quote]

    As I’ve mentioned before, they seem to have no trouble cashing their paychecks from the teams they play for.

    If the team-mandated uni for a given day offends them, let them ask to sit out and forfeit one game’s pay. As I’ve also mentioned, in many cases, that check might be enough to buy lunch for their entire home province.[/quote]

    Another false choice. As I wrote in last week’s camo article (different topic, the words apply here just as well):

    “Look, I know the drill: They play here, make lots of money here and so on, so they should stand for our national anthem, respect our customs and wear whatever uniform they’re given — agreed. … Maybe some foreign players don’t mind this, but again, why even go there? Why create a situation that’s incongruous or arguably insensitive?”

    Yes, wear what’s given to you. But if you’re telling people to wear something that doesn’t quite make sense for a significant portion of your team, then maybe you should re-think what you’re telling them to wear.[/quote]
    Maybe this is a question for Jeremy Brahm or Mark in Shiga, but do the Japanese leagues do stuff like this and what, if anything, is the reaction of the American, and all other non-Japanese players’ reactions?[/quote]

    For proper context, I’d also be interested in knowig what percentage of the Japanese League players are non-Japanese. Almost 30% of MLBers are non-Americans — a hefty percentage.

  • Shaun | May 20, 2009 at 3:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”330213″][quote comment=”330209″][quote comment=”330199″][quote comment=”330196″][quote comment=”330190″]
    why would you want to look like you just got out of prison? isn’t that usually a bad thing?[/quote]
    Not if you’re the one who’s actually getting out of prison.[/quote]

    touché[/quote]

    I work at a sporting goods store where we sell the 59Fifty hats flat brimmed, and it takes all the will power i have to not go through and bend all the brims, nobody looks good in them and they are a disgrace IMO[/quote]
    Tell me about it. I went to the store at the beginning of the season to pick up a new Rays cap and thought about getting a 59Fifty cap, but (once I finally found the right size) I couldn’t bring myself to wear something with a flat brim, and I didn’t think the store employees would appreciate me bending the brim.[/quote]

    my friend if you ever came into my store and wanted to try ever single flat brimmed hat on, bend it up a bit and all, you can go right ahead. if the people who wear them flat dont like it, then there will be more for the people who know how to wear a hat

  • War Damn Eagle | May 20, 2009 at 3:24 pm |
  • Kek | May 20, 2009 at 3:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”330215″][quote comment=”330206″][quote comment=”330192″][quote comment=”330172″][quote comment=”330168″][quote comment=”330165″][quote comment=”330162″]if New Era really wanted to make every team look super patriotic they would outfit every team in team USA hats (WBC/Oly) with the team logo on the side, show that the nation really is bigger than the individual teams[/quote]
    That sir, would be awesome. Especally since the three USA hats could cover the vast majority of MLB between red, blue, and blue with red brim.

    Rather, that would be awesome if we have to do a different cap.[/quote]

    I’m not so sure it’s a good idea to force foreign players (especially those who have participated in the WBC or Olympics) to wear the hat of USA Baseball. And I say this even for nationality-challenged A-Rod.[/quote]

    As I’ve mentioned before, they seem to have no trouble cashing their paychecks from the teams they play for.

    If the team-mandated uni for a given day offends them, let them ask to sit out and forfeit one game’s pay. As I’ve also mentioned, in many cases, that check might be enough to buy lunch for their entire home province.[/quote]

    Another false choice. As I wrote in last week’s camo article (different topic, the words apply here just as well):

    “Look, I know the drill: They play here, make lots of money here and so on, so they should stand for our national anthem, respect our customs and wear whatever uniform they’re given — agreed. … Maybe some foreign players don’t mind this, but again, why even go there? Why create a situation that’s incongruous or arguably insensitive?”

    Yes, wear what’s given to you. But if you’re telling people to wear something that doesn’t quite make sense for a significant portion of your team, then maybe you should re-think what you’re telling them to wear.[/quote]
    Maybe this is a question for Jeremy Brahm or Mark in Shiga, but do the Japanese leagues do stuff like this and what, if anything, is the reaction of the American, and all other non-Japanese players’ reactions?[/quote]

    For proper context, I’d also be interested in knowig what percentage of the Japanese League players are non-Japanese. Almost 30% of MLBers are non-Americans — a hefty percentage.[/quote]
    True, and as I wrote that I thought that there are far less non-Japanese playing Japan than non-Americans in America. Was only thinking more in terms of “do they honor their veterans/country in a similar manner” and if so how? Maybe it’s lost on this generation, but I think there are plenty of Americans that wouldn’t think an American ballplayer playing in Japan and wearing something honoring World War II vets would be a good idea.

  • LI Phil | May 20, 2009 at 3:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”330217″][quote comment=”330211″][quote comment=”330194″]Fantastic giveaway at Kauffman Stadium on June 16th: Zack Greinke T-shirt[/quote]

    Okay, that just might be the single best SGA t-shirt ever.[/quote]

    Here’s a shirt growing in popularity amongst disgruntled Braves fans:

    http://cdn1.sbnation...

    they even got the VAL better than the braves do!

  • anotherguy | May 20, 2009 at 3:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”330194″]Fantastic giveaway at Kauffman Stadium on June 16th: Zack Greinke T-shirt[/quote]Better off getting a picture of his hot girlfriend.

  • chance michaels | May 20, 2009 at 3:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”330213″][quote comment=”330209″][quote comment=”330199″][quote comment=”330196″][quote comment=”330190″]
    why would you want to look like you just got out of prison? isn’t that usually a bad thing?[/quote]
    Not if you’re the one who’s actually getting out of prison.[/quote]

    touché[/quote]

    I work at a sporting goods store where we sell the 59Fifty hats flat brimmed, and it takes all the will power i have to not go through and bend all the brims, nobody looks good in them and they are a disgrace IMO[/quote]
    Tell me about it. I went to the store at the beginning of the season to pick up a new Rays cap and thought about getting a 59Fifty cap, but (once I finally found the right size) I couldn’t bring myself to wear something with a flat brim, and I didn’t think the store employees would appreciate me bending the brim.[/quote]

    So wait – so why didn’t you buy it?

  • Kek | May 20, 2009 at 3:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”330214″][quote comment=”330190″][quote comment=”330185″][quote comment=”330173″]one more serious question, and again please forgive my naiveté

    when did it become cool to dress like you just got out of prison?

    and if that fashion trend actually became ‘the norm’ (not that it would)…would today’s youth suddenly dress like the blond dude from saved by the bell? ya know…just to piss off the generation before them[/quote]

    It became cool right after it was cool to dress like a lumberjack (grunge), which came right after it was cool to dress like you were from space (new wave), which came right after it was cool to dress like you were from Thunderdome (punk), which came right after it was cool to dress like a sexy used car salesman (disco)…[/quote]

    thanks bernard…

    i probably should have rephrased my question

    why would you want to look like you just got out of prison? isn’t that usually a bad thing?[/quote]

    No need to rephrase, Phil – I totally got what you were saying. I was just trying to point out that there’s been at least a couple decades worth of fashion trends associated with music scenes that probably made people scratch their heads at the time.

    FWIW, I believe the baggy clothing trend in hip hop culture is ALSO derived from underpriveledged urban youth having to wear ill-fitting clothes that were either handed down from larger relatives or purchased at thrift stores, so that they would be able to grow into them for a few years. That’s not to say the prison connection isn’t part of it, because it is, but it also came from being broke and having to wear whatever you could get your hands on.[/quote]
    Is it not true that sagging pants is actually something taken directly from prison culture? I remember hearing Judge Mathis saying something like “if these kids knew the context of what wearing sagging pants in prison was, I doubt they would wear their pants like that.” The context, of course, was that someone sagging their pants was looking for a sexual relationship with an inmate.

  • Judd | May 20, 2009 at 3:33 pm |


    For proper context, I’d also be interested in knowig what percentage of the Japanese League players are non-Japanese. Almost 30% of MLBers are non-Americans — a hefty percentage.

    Not sure how accurate this is, but the general number of gaijins or foreigners per team was limited …
    http://www.japaneseb...

  • Shaun | May 20, 2009 at 3:34 pm |

    despite how much i hate seeing frenchy insulted, the vert arching is so nice, which reminds me i have to get in touch with SOMEBODY to get that brought back, and maybe ditch the name plates too!

  • anotherguy | May 20, 2009 at 3:34 pm |

    I am also a victim of the virus here, no need to click on the links.

  • Matt Brosseau | May 20, 2009 at 3:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”330222″]
    Is it not true that sagging pants is actually something taken directly from prison culture? I remember hearing Judge Mathis saying something like “if these kids knew the context of what wearing sagging pants in prison was, I doubt they would wear their pants like that.” The context, of course, was that someone sagging their pants was looking for a sexual relationship with an inmate.[/quote]

    Judge Mathis is wrong and was probably just making stuff up to make a point. Pants sag in prison for two reasons. One, you’re not allowed a belt. Two, prison unis don’t fit very well, if they don’t have your size prison scrubs, it’s not like they’ll keep you out on bail until a 32 waist comes in (or, indeed, gets out!)

    Do-rags are also said to have their origins in prison style; inmates would use ripped bedsheets to wear on their heads likely as utilitarian headgear to absorb sweat as prisons are not air conditioned.

  • MPowers1634 | May 20, 2009 at 3:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”330222″][quote comment=”330214″][quote comment=”330190″][quote comment=”330185″][quote comment=”330173″]one more serious question, and again please forgive my naiveté

    when did it become cool to dress like you just got out of prison?

    and if that fashion trend actually became ‘the norm’ (not that it would)…would today’s youth suddenly dress like the blond dude from saved by the bell? ya know…just to piss off the generation before them[/quote]

    It became cool right after it was cool to dress like a lumberjack (grunge), which came right after it was cool to dress like you were from space (new wave), which came right after it was cool to dress like you were from Thunderdome (punk), which came right after it was cool to dress like a sexy used car salesman (disco)…[/quote]

    thanks bernard…

    i probably should have rephrased my question

    why would you want to look like you just got out of prison? isn’t that usually a bad thing?[/quote]

    No need to rephrase, Phil – I totally got what you were saying. I was just trying to point out that there’s been at least a couple decades worth of fashion trends associated with music scenes that probably made people scratch their heads at the time.

    FWIW, I believe the baggy clothing trend in hip hop culture is ALSO derived from underpriveledged urban youth having to wear ill-fitting clothes that were either handed down from larger relatives or purchased at thrift stores, so that they would be able to grow into them for a few years. That’s not to say the prison connection isn’t part of it, because it is, but it also came from being broke and having to wear whatever you could get your hands on.[/quote]
    Is it not true that sagging pants is actually something taken directly from prison culture? I remember hearing Judge Mathis saying something like “if these kids knew the context of what wearing sagging pants in prison was, I doubt they would wear their pants like that.” The context, of course, was that someone sagging their pants was looking for a sexual relationship with an inmate.[/quote]

    I had read that the cause of the sagging pants was simply because inmates were not allowed to use belts nor shoelaces in order to prevent suicide attempts.

  • Paul Lukas | May 20, 2009 at 3:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”330222″]Is it not true that sagging pants is actually something taken directly from prison culture?[/quote]

    Yeah, and blue jeans were taken from laborers’ culture, leather jackets were taken from biker culture (except for bomber jackets, which were taken from, y’know, bomber pilot culture), etc., etc. That’s what fashion does: It appropriates things from other scenes — usually more primitivist ones, because people like the cheap thrill of dipping their toe in “authentic” experiences without any of the inherent risks or other downsides of actually living them — and recontextualizes them.

  • Kek | May 20, 2009 at 3:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”330209″][quote comment=”330199″][quote comment=”330196″][quote comment=”330190″]
    why would you want to look like you just got out of prison? isn’t that usually a bad thing?[/quote]
    Not if you’re the one who’s actually getting out of prison.[/quote]

    touché[/quote]

    I work at a sporting goods store where we sell the 59Fifty hats flat brimmed, and it takes all the will power i have to not go through and bend all the brims, nobody looks good in them and they are a disgrace IMO[/quote]
    Kind of have to call you on this one. I worked in sporting goods ’96-’98 and 5950s have always been sold flat brimmed, before and after that. In fact, we used to sell a product called Perfect Curve. It was a piece of plastic that clipped on the bill. I even had a little side business while I worked there: for $5 I’d gut your hat.

    I know most of us hate the flat-billed style, but hats have always been sold flat-billed as far as i can remember.

    Did anyone have any specific method to get a real good curve? I used to rubber band a baseball under the brim and let it sit like that for a few days.

  • Paul Lukas | May 20, 2009 at 3:42 pm |

    Johnny Ek is investigating the virus (or trojan, or whatever it may be) as we speak. I’m not getting any warning message on my end, for what that’s worth, but we shall see.

  • Shaun | May 20, 2009 at 3:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”330229″][quote comment=”330209″][quote comment=”330199″][quote comment=”330196″][quote comment=”330190″]
    why would you want to look like you just got out of prison? isn’t that usually a bad thing?[/quote]
    Not if you’re the one who’s actually getting out of prison.[/quote]

    touché[/quote]

    I work at a sporting goods store where we sell the 59Fifty hats flat brimmed, and it takes all the will power i have to not go through and bend all the brims, nobody looks good in them and they are a disgrace IMO[/quote]
    Kind of have to call you on this one. I worked in sporting goods ’96-’98 and 5950s have always been sold flat brimmed, before and after that. In fact, we used to sell a product called Perfect Curve. It was a piece of plastic that clipped on the bill. I even had a little side business while I worked there: for $5 I’d gut your hat.

    I know most of us hate the flat-billed style, but hats have always been sold flat-billed as far as i can remember.

    Did anyone have any specific method to get a real good curve? I used to rubber band a baseball under the brim and let it sit like that for a few days.[/quote]

    oh im not saying that they were ever sold curved, its just the right way to wear them. we sadly do not sell what you are talking about, i think i had one when i was younger

  • Shaun | May 20, 2009 at 3:43 pm |

    i havent had an issue all day with the site, whats going on?

  • Matt Brosseau | May 20, 2009 at 3:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”330229″]
    Did anyone have any specific method to get a real good curve? I used to rubber band a baseball under the brim and let it sit like that for a few days.[/quote]

    I think that was the pretty standard and common method of curving the brim; I would take the extra step of soaking the hat before inserting the baseball. In college, where there weren’t any stray baseballs sitting around, I would use a coffee mug in place of the baseball.

  • MPowers1634 | May 20, 2009 at 3:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”330229″][quote comment=”330209″][quote comment=”330199″][quote comment=”330196″][quote comment=”330190″]
    why would you want to look like you just got out of prison? isn’t that usually a bad thing?[/quote]
    Not if you’re the one who’s actually getting out of prison.[/quote]

    touché[/quote]

    I work at a sporting goods store where we sell the 59Fifty hats flat brimmed, and it takes all the will power i have to not go through and bend all the brims, nobody looks good in them and they are a disgrace IMO[/quote]
    Kind of have to call you on this one. I worked in sporting goods ’96-’98 and 5950s have always been sold flat brimmed, before and after that. In fact, we used to sell a product called Perfect Curve. It was a piece of plastic that clipped on the bill. I even had a little side business while I worked there: for $5 I’d gut your hat.

    I know most of us hate the flat-billed style, but hats have always been sold flat-billed as far as i can remember.

    Did anyone have any specific method to get a real good curve? I used to rubber band a baseball under the brim and let it sit like that for a few days.[/quote]

    Whether it’s a product of where I grew up or the fashion/cultural varaiables that dictate my personal style, I prefer my brim to lean towards the flat end of the spectrum, nowhere close to Joba or George Sherill, mind you.

    The perfect curve routine of conditioning your University “The Game” bar cap,

    http://www.goteammer...

    http://goteammerchan...

    http://goteammerchan...

    usually one that had Cocks, or Nanooks written across it, went the
    way of the dodo for me along with the rest of the frat house look.

  • Paul Lukas | May 20, 2009 at 3:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”330232″]i havent had an issue all day with the site, whats going on?[/quote]

    A few readers say their browsers are giving them warning messages when they access the site. Could be nothing, could be something — don’t know. Will advise asap.

  • Kek | May 20, 2009 at 3:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”330228″][quote comment=”330222″]Is it not true that sagging pants is actually something taken directly from prison culture?[/quote]

    Yeah, and blue jeans were taken from laborers’ culture, leather jackets were taken from biker culture (except for bomber jackets, which were taken from, y’know, bomber pilot culture), etc., etc. That’s what fashion does: It appropriates things from other scenes — usually more primitivist ones, because people like the cheap thrill of wallowing in “authentic” low-level scenes without any of the inherent risks or other downsides of actually living in those scenes — and recontextualizes them.[/quote]
    Wow….can someone with a PhD in sociology translate that for me!!! Just teasing…

    My point was along the lines that Mathis’ debunked point about homosexuality was being used to say something like “these young street toughs are all macho and most likely homophobic and if they knew or understood that the way they wore a certain piece of clothing was something similar to a gay culture, they probably wouldn’t do it.”

  • Shaun | May 20, 2009 at 3:57 pm |

    Paul i have an idea, maybe better saved for a day where the internet is not on the sh*ts, but why dont we have all readers post their location (city/state) so we can see how extensive uniwatch nation really is?

  • LI Phil | May 20, 2009 at 4:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”330228″][quote comment=”330222″]Is it not true that sagging pants is actually something taken directly from prison culture?[/quote]

    Yeah, and blue jeans were taken from laborers’ culture, leather jackets were taken from biker culture (except for bomber jackets, which were taken from, y’know, bomber pilot culture), etc., etc. That’s what fashion does: It appropriates things from other scenes — usually more primitivist ones, because people like the cheap thrill of dipping their toe in “authentic” experiences without any of the inherent risks or other downsides of actually living them — and recontextualizes them.[/quote]

    but this is what is still perplexing to me…i could see how one would want to vicariously experience being a biker, or a bomber pilot, or even a field laborer — but why would one want to “dip ones toe” into the “authentic” prison experience?

    which gets back to my original question … why would you want to look like (or dress like) you just got out of prison? is prison that cool that you have to experience it, either first hand or by dressing like you have?

  • Jeff P | May 20, 2009 at 4:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”330229″][quote comment=”330209″][quote comment=”330199″][quote comment=”330196″][quote comment=”330190″]
    why would you want to look like you just got out of prison? isn’t that usually a bad thing?[/quote]
    Not if you’re the one who’s actually getting out of prison.[/quote]

    touché[/quote]

    I work at a sporting goods store where we sell the 59Fifty hats flat brimmed, and it takes all the will power i have to not go through and bend all the brims, nobody looks good in them and they are a disgrace IMO[/quote]
    Kind of have to call you on this one. I worked in sporting goods ’96-’98 and 5950s have always been sold flat brimmed, before and after that. In fact, we used to sell a product called Perfect Curve. It was a piece of plastic that clipped on the bill. I even had a little side business while I worked there: for $5 I’d gut your hat.

    I know most of us hate the flat-billed style, but hats have always been sold flat-billed as far as i can remember.

    Did anyone have any specific method to get a real good curve? I used to rubber band a baseball under the brim and let it sit like that for a few days.[/quote]
    My method, which as worked perfectly on both my wool 5950s (one of which fit completely different until I broke it in BTW- that issue isn’t new)- is to grab the bit with both hands, fingers on top, fingers meeting in the center, thumbs underneath, and I then bend. Gets me a perfect cap, other then the off center logo on one of ’em. Another QC issue for New era….

    Bending the brim is only as complicated as you make it.

    Breaking the crown in is another story though.

  • Kek | May 20, 2009 at 4:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”330137″]”One thing the Candela project taught me is that I need to become a better researcher, especially when it comes to things like library archives and other primary sources, which is exactly the skill Angela’s assignment was designed to build. Maybe I should have been in that class.”

    I blame the Google and the internet. I work with a lot of young professionals who I ask to do research from time to time and if they can’t find the answer from their desktop on google, they’re flummoxed. They look shocked when I suggest they get on the phone, head down to the city or provincial archives, the public library, the university library, and actually look in a book.

    Research (other than googling) is rapidly becoming a lost art.[/quote]
    I couldn’t agree more. I’ve been going back and compiling my high school’s wins and losses in boys’ and girls’ basketball over the past few months for my website This has meant many trips to the library to work the microfilm.

    At first, this made me very bitter. Why couldn’t someone at the school done a better job of archiving (yearbooks are filled with errors and the current athletic department is a joke)? Plus the machine tended to give me a headache.

    Now, I LOVE doing it. It’s super interesting to go through old newspapers plus I get the sense of accomplishment. Some day, someone might be looking for this information and I’ll have done the groundwork to provide it.

  • chance michaels | May 20, 2009 at 4:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”330238″][quote comment=”330228″][quote comment=”330222″]Is it not true that sagging pants is actually something taken directly from prison culture?[/quote]

    Yeah, and blue jeans were taken from laborers’ culture, leather jackets were taken from biker culture (except for bomber jackets, which were taken from, y’know, bomber pilot culture), etc., etc. That’s what fashion does: It appropriates things from other scenes — usually more primitivist ones, because people like the cheap thrill of dipping their toe in “authentic” experiences without any of the inherent risks or other downsides of actually living them — and recontextualizes them.[/quote]

    but this is what is still perplexing to me…i could see how one would want to vicariously experience being a biker, or a bomber pilot, or even a field laborer — but why would one want to “dip ones toe” into the “authentic” prison experience?

    which gets back to my original question … why would you want to look like (or dress like) you just got out of prison? is prison that cool that you have to experience it, either first hand or by dressing like you have?[/quote]

    Same reason people wanted to dress like bikers in the 1950s – outlaws are cool. And remember – bikers were pretty threatening to the suburbanites.

  • M.Princip | May 20, 2009 at 4:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”330201″][quote comment=”330186″]I don’t know how to make links but this story has to do with the Mets
    http://msn.foxsports...

    Never thought to ask, yet, is there a detailed explanation on how to embed links within text here? If so, can someone post a link to it? Thanks.[/quote]


    Oh Yea!

    Well, getting closer to figuring this shit out. Macromedia has really spoiled me.

  • Jeremy Brahm | May 20, 2009 at 4:17 pm |

    Teebz, thanks for the update on the Kings sweater (want to say jersey) colors. I would kind of be weary of Bruce McNall saying we wanted to keep the colors, because of his fraudulent history, but I will believe your version because I respect your hockey knowledge.

    In Portland we didn’t get much uniform coverage in the news in those days, so thank you. I think for me it was they changed to this because of the Raiders popularity and having silver/black at the time would have made them immediately cool and then add in the best player in the league, it just pops. But thank you for setting me straight.

  • Paul Lukas | May 20, 2009 at 4:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”330241″][quote comment=”330238″][quote comment=”330228″][quote comment=”330222″]Is it not true that sagging pants is actually something taken directly from prison culture?[/quote]

    Yeah, and blue jeans were taken from laborers’ culture, leather jackets were taken from biker culture (except for bomber jackets, which were taken from, y’know, bomber pilot culture), etc., etc. That’s what fashion does: It appropriates things from other scenes — usually more primitivist ones, because people like the cheap thrill of dipping their toe in “authentic” experiences without any of the inherent risks or other downsides of actually living them — and recontextualizes them.[/quote]

    but this is what is still perplexing to me…i could see how one would want to vicariously experience being a biker, or a bomber pilot, or even a field laborer — but why would one want to “dip ones toe” into the “authentic” prison experience?

    which gets back to my original question … why would you want to look like (or dress like) you just got out of prison? is prison that cool that you have to experience it, either first hand or by dressing like you have?[/quote]

    Same reason people wanted to dress like bikers in the 1950s – outlaws are cool. And remember – bikers were pretty threatening to the suburbanites.[/quote]

    What he said.

    Also, you need to remember the extent to which prison is part of contemporary black culture (high percentage of black American males incarcerated, etc.) and the way it has become a badge of pride. Fucked up? To my mind, yeah. But again, that’s a different discussion.

  • M.Princip | May 20, 2009 at 4:35 pm |

    Oh Yea!

    …and now?

  • Squiddie | May 20, 2009 at 4:44 pm |
  • JTH | May 20, 2009 at 5:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”330229″] In fact, we used to sell a product called Perfect Curve. It was a piece of plastic that clipped on the bill.[/quote]
    I’ve got one of those lying around somewhere. My roommate gave it to me as a gift about 12 years ago. It actually works pretty well.

    The one I have is a bit more primitive than the version they’re making nowadays.

  • LI Phil | May 20, 2009 at 5:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”330247″]The scoreboard at Forbes Field[/quote]

    so…we know that game took place sometime between july 8, 1949 and september 29, 1957

    other clues?

  • Brian | May 20, 2009 at 5:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”330221″][quote comment=”330213″][quote comment=”330209″][quote comment=”330199″][quote comment=”330196″][quote comment=”330190″]
    why would you want to look like you just got out of prison? isn’t that usually a bad thing?[/quote]
    Not if you’re the one who’s actually getting out of prison.[/quote]

    touché[/quote]

    I work at a sporting goods store where we sell the 59Fifty hats flat brimmed, and it takes all the will power i have to not go through and bend all the brims, nobody looks good in them and they are a disgrace IMO[/quote]
    Tell me about it. I went to the store at the beginning of the season to pick up a new Rays cap and thought about getting a 59Fifty cap, but (once I finally found the right size) I couldn’t bring myself to wear something with a flat brim, and I didn’t think the store employees would appreciate me bending the brim.[/quote]

    So wait – so why didn’t you buy it?[/quote]
    I have an interestingly-shaped head (in other words, I look funny), and I just didnt like the way the 59Fifty looked with all the extra room in the crown around my dome. Normally, I go non-New Era and wear my Franchise cap by Twins Enterprises (though I like mine better than the one they’re selling now; it has the alternate manta ray logo on the back instead of the wordmark), but I broke down and bought the Rays 39Fifty BP cap not too long ago, and I’ll be wearing that tonight at the Trop.

  • Tom | May 20, 2009 at 5:40 pm |

    Just ran across this really cool blog devoted to corporate logo redesigns. Reminds me of the Tropicana debacle from a couple months back. They even have an entry on the Lions’ redesign.

    Fun stuff.

  • BurghFan | May 20, 2009 at 5:41 pm |

    Rather, they force fans to shell out $37 for a stupid-looking hat.

    I’ve never been forced to buy a baseball cap; the closest I’ve come is being given one on my way into the ballpark when I’ve paid for the ticket. If I don’t like that cap, I don’t wear it, and if I don’t like a cap that’s on sale, or think it’s too expensive, I don’t buy it.

  • Squiddie | May 20, 2009 at 5:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”330249″][quote comment=”330247″]The scoreboard at Forbes Field[/quote]

    so…we know that game took place sometime between july 8, 1949 and september 29, 1957

    other clues?[/quote]

    #43 is probably John Antonelli who started playing for the Giants in 1954. I don’t think the Giants had any other pitchers on the roster who used that number between 1949 and 1957.

  • Saru | May 20, 2009 at 6:00 pm |

    Did Ms. Riechers try Google Patent? Just typing in “Helsel” gets this. It has the patent number which can be used to search the official patent database.

    I work as a university librarian and frequently use some of Google’s different tools–especially Scholar and Book. Google is like any tool, with inherent advantages and disadvantages. An example: I was once helping a student look for a book. It was supposed to be in the library but was gone and likely stolen. Since it was well over a hundred years old–and, thus, well out of print–I tried Google Book…and there it was in full-text.

    While too many people (like students) embrace technology too much, others (such as teachers) reject it without understanding how to use it on the most basic level. Google Patent is *not* searching the Internet at random, but a limited and fairly authoritative database; if nothing else it is a starting place that can direct you to more established sources.

    For research, why not try a librarian? We’re here to help. (Most of us anyways.) And we often know more about research than even professors.

  • Squiddie | May 20, 2009 at 6:13 pm |

    OK, I’m not cheating because the photo of Forbes Field isn’t dated and I don’t know what year it was taken.

    However, I think that it shows the end of this game.

    If you check out the box score, former Twins first base coach Wayne Terwilliger was a pinch runner in this game.

  • jude | May 20, 2009 at 6:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”330254″]Did Ms. Riechers try Google Patent? Just typing in “Helsel” gets this. It has the patent number which can be used to search the official patent database.
    [/quote]

    She couldn’t use Google. From the entry: Our assignment was to research a design object of our choosing without using digital search engines. E-mail and library databases were allowed, but no other use of the internet was permitted. (In fact, the name of the class was No Google.)

  • JTH | May 20, 2009 at 6:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”330255″]OK, I’m not cheating because the photo of Forbes Field isn’t dated and I don’t know what year it was taken.

    However, I think that it shows the end of this game.

    If you check out the box score, former Twins first base coach Wayne Terwilliger was a pinch runner in this game.[/quote]
    By God, I think you’re right. Good detective work. If you look at the other games that day on the top of the page, they all line up with the games tracked on the scoreboard (Senators at Yankees, Reds at Cardinals, Dodgers at Phillies, Braves at *obscured* [Cubs, by process of elimination]).

    And the box score shows the Giants scoring twice in the top of the 15th, so the scoreboard is showing innings 11-15 with the 3 in the space for inning 10 to show where the score was after 10 innings (and it looks like the scoreboard crew might just have removed the 3 for the Pirates).

  • anotherguy | May 20, 2009 at 6:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”330255″]OK, I’m not cheating because the photo of Forbes Field isn’t dated and I don’t know what year it was taken.

    However, I think that it shows the end of this game.[quote]You may be right-looks to be extra innings, yet it’s ending at 10:00 pm.

  • anotherguy | May 20, 2009 at 6:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”330257″]…(and it looks like the scoreboard crew might just have removed the 3 for the Pirates).[/quote]
    Good point, I was wondering what that extraneous “3” was doing there but there’s also a blank space directly underneath.

    Here we are patting ourselves on the back for thinking this all out and our parents/grandparents would probably say “well, doesn’t everyone know that?” :-)

  • Teebz | May 20, 2009 at 7:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”330243″]Teebz, thanks for the update on the Kings sweater (want to say jersey) colors. I would kind of be weary of Bruce McNall saying we wanted to keep the colors, because of his fraudulent history, but I will believe your version because I respect your hockey knowledge.

    In Portland we didn’t get much uniform coverage in the news in those days, so thank you. I think for me it was they changed to this because of the Raiders popularity and having silver/black at the time would have made them immediately cool and then add in the best player in the league, it just pops. But thank you for setting me straight.[/quote]

    Quite the opposite, though. McNall hated the yellow-and-purple with a passion, and wanted to distance himself from those colours.

    The reason he chose the Raiders’ colours was simply due to the Raiders’ proximity and fanbase. After all, it was cool be to be a Bleacher Creature in the early-1990s as a Raider fan. I’m almost certain he was trying to sway the LA sports culture away from purple to black.

  • Paul Lukas | May 20, 2009 at 7:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”330254″]Did Ms. Riechers try Google Patent?[/quote]

    Someone didn’t read the entry very carefully.

  • LI Phil | May 20, 2009 at 7:29 pm |

    [quote]I’m almost certain he was trying to sway the LA sports culture away from purple to black.[/quote]

    you say that like it’s a bad thing

    /wait…that is a bad thing, right?

  • Paul Lukas | May 20, 2009 at 7:30 pm |

    We (read: Ek) have found and fixed the software problem. It was another spambot, which left some blind links in one of our folders so they could piggyback on our traffic and increase their own google rankings. No virus, nothing malicious. And now it’s gone, so that’s that.

  • interlockingtc | May 20, 2009 at 7:31 pm |

    My favorite line of the day…Miss Riechers on her grandfather:

    “…which must have sparked his lifelong interest in ticketing devices.”

    Beautiful.

    The Candela website looks fantastic and I am looking forward to spending time there. Thanks.

  • odessasteps magazine | May 20, 2009 at 7:42 pm |

    I’m more annoyed by the “pink hat” crowd than the “thug” crowd with their wackily-coloured hats.

  • JIMC | May 20, 2009 at 7:43 pm |

    Now you can see all 8 of the NFL throwbacks this year; Special shout out from Yahoo for the Denver socks! –

    http://sports.yahoo....

  • =bg= | May 20, 2009 at 7:51 pm |

    Just found that piece on the subway signage…musta missed that one in Mar. I love those graphics.

  • Jeremy Brahm | May 20, 2009 at 8:24 pm |

    Kek said,
    [quote]
    Maybe this is a question for Jeremy Brahm or Mark in Shiga, but do the Japanese leagues do stuff like this and what, if anything, is the reaction of the American, and all other non-Japanese players’ reactions?[/quote]

    Paul added,
    [quote]
    For proper context, I’d also be interested in knowig what percentage of the Japanese League players are non-Japanese. Almost 30% of MLBers are non-Americans — a hefty percentage.[/quote]

    Kek then added,
    [quote]
    True, and as I wrote that I thought that there are far less non-Japanese playing Japan than non-Americans in America. Was only thinking more in terms of “do they honor their veterans/country in a similar manner” and if so how? Maybe it’s lost on this generation, but I think there are plenty of Americans that wouldn’t think an American ballplayer playing in Japan and wearing something honoring World War II vets would be a good idea.[/quote]

    Judd, then added
    [quote]
    Not sure how accurate this is, but the general number of gaijins or foreigners per team was limited …[/quote]
    http://www.japaneseb...

    I will try to answer this quickly.

    In NPB there are 856 players in total. Foreigners account for 80 players or 9.3%. American players (40) make up half of the foreign players. You have players from the following countries.

    Australia (3), Brazil (1), Canada (1), China (3), Cuba (1), Dominican Republic (7), Panama (1), Puerto Rico (2), South Korea (7), Taiwan (8) and Venezuela (6)

    If a foreign player has played in Japan for 8 years, they are not considered a “foreigner” and therefore do not occupy a “foreigner” spot on the roster. At present Tuffy Rhodes and Alex Ramirez qualify for this benefit.

    Teams only have 31 players on the Major League roster. The numbers that you saw above are all players at all levels. Teams are limited to four foreigners on the major league roster. However, teams usually have more foreigners as an emergency back-up due to injuries. These other players are on the minor league team.

  • Jeremy Brahm | May 20, 2009 at 8:43 pm |

    Now getting back to the question on do American players wear Japanese flag caps compared to the American & Canadian flag caps?

    I’ve never seen any thing that puts a Japanese flag on a baseball hat. The only time would be during those MLB exhibition tours, but in that case, it was showing the Japanese leagues/players as unified team.

    Now if you look at World War II (1941-1944), the answer would be as follows:

    1. The Japanese government prohibited the use of the roman alphabet.

    2. Japanese baseball teams put pictographs of their team names on their uniforms and even changed their names to become “legal”.

    Asahi
    http://www.flickr.co...

    Hanshin Tigers
    http://www.flickr.co...

    Nagoya (eventually Chunichi Dragons)
    http://www.flickr.co...
    http://www.flickr.co...

    Nankai (eventually Softbank Hawks)
    http://www.flickr.co...

    Nishitetsu
    http://www.flickr.co...

    Taiyo
    http://www.flickr.co...

    Yomiuri Giants
    http://www.flickr.co...

    3. Only one foreigner was playing during that time, Victor Starfin, who was a Russian-Japanese had to change his name to a pictograph while pitching for the Giants. However, Starffin was a Japanese citizen.

    http://en.wikipedia....

  • Traxel | May 20, 2009 at 9:52 pm |

    About 30 minutes ago Brendan Ryan was up to bat and had some dangling foam from his helmet in his face. He took it off, ripped out what looked like the entire ear pad, and slapped it back on his head.

  • Teebz | May 20, 2009 at 9:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”330262″][quote]I’m almost certain he was trying to sway the LA sports culture away from purple to black.[/quote]

    you say that like it’s a bad thing

    /wait…that is a bad thing, right?[/quote]

    Maybe you should ask the Mets. ;o) LOL

  • JTH | May 20, 2009 at 9:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”330268″]At present Tuffy Rhodes and Alex Ramirez qualify for this benefit.
    [/quote]
    Karl is now NPB’s active home run leader, right?

  • Chance Michaels | May 20, 2009 at 10:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”330266″]Now you can see all 8 of the NFL throwbacks this year; Special shout out from Yahoo for the Denver socks! –

    http://sports.yahoo....

    All eight?

    They are perhaps unaware of the road throwbacks?

  • JTH | May 20, 2009 at 10:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”330270″]About 30 minutes ago Brendan Ryan was up to bat and had some dangling foam from his helmet in his face. He took it off, ripped out what looked like the entire ear pad, and slapped it back on his head.[/quote]
    Speaking of Brendan Ryan… locally, I’ve got two games to choose from. One is terrific from an aesthetic perstpective: the Cubs-Cards game you alluded to. Dempster’s pitching, so the Cubs are wearing the gray jerseys.

    On the South Side, it’s a horror show: Sox in their black alts, Twins in their navy alts.

  • Tony Miller | May 20, 2009 at 10:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”330253″][quote comment=”330249″][quote comment=”330247″]The scoreboard at Forbes Field[/quote]

    so…we know that game took place sometime between july 8, 1949 and september 29, 1957

    other clues?[/quote]

    #43 is probably John Antonelli who started playing for the Giants in 1954. I don’t think the Giants had any other pitchers on the roster who used that number between 1949 and 1957.[/quote]

    I think we’ve got it by now, but the 3 base umps listed means it’s 1952 or later.

    …and 15 innings, but it’s only 10:00.

  • Traxel | May 20, 2009 at 10:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”330274″][quote comment=”330270″]About 30 minutes ago Brendan Ryan was up to bat and had some dangling foam from his helmet in his face. He took it off, ripped out what looked like the entire ear pad, and slapped it back on his head.[/quote]
    Speaking of Brendan Ryan… locally, I’ve got two games to choose from. One is terrific from an aesthetic perstpective: the Cubs-Cards game you alluded to. Dempster’s pitching, so the Cubs are wearing the gray jerseys.

    On the South Side, it’s a horror show: Sox in their black alts, Twins in their navy alts.[/quote]
    Cubs/Cards minus the bag pants on a few do look quite sharp. Same game on two local channels here. Is Reed Johnson wearing stirrups?

  • Michael Emody | May 20, 2009 at 11:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”330275″][quote comment=”330253″][quote comment=”330249″][quote comment=”330247″]The scoreboard at Forbes Field[/quote]

    so…we know that game took place sometime between july 8, 1949 and september 29, 1957

    other clues?[/quote]

    #43 is probably John Antonelli who started playing for the Giants in 1954. I don’t think the Giants had any other pitchers on the roster who used that number between 1949 and 1957.[/quote]

    I think we’ve got it by now, but the 3 base umps listed means it’s 1952 or later.

    …and 15 innings, but it’s only 10:00.[/quote]

    It was the second game of a DH. Probably started around 5:30 (game time: 4:22, time at end of game: 10:00), so it actually started at 5:38.
    BTW, I was stuck on this one, not taking into account the possibility of extra innings. Squiddie (#166) – great job.
    I like this “Date the Scoreboard” thing – a regular feature?

  • JTH | May 20, 2009 at 11:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”330276″][quote comment=”330274″][quote comment=”330270″]About 30 minutes ago Brendan Ryan was up to bat and had some dangling foam from his helmet in his face. He took it off, ripped out what looked like the entire ear pad, and slapped it back on his head.[/quote]
    Speaking of Brendan Ryan… locally, I’ve got two games to choose from. One is terrific from an aesthetic perstpective: the Cubs-Cards game you alluded to. Dempster’s pitching, so the Cubs are wearing the gray jerseys.

    On the South Side, it’s a horror show: Sox in their black alts, Twins in their navy alts.[/quote]
    Cubs/Cards minus the bag pants on a few do look quite sharp. Same game on two local channels here. Is Reed Johnson wearing stirrups?[/quote]
    Yeah. He certainly was. And they looked glorious as he swung right through the game’s final pitch, didn’t they?

  • LI Phil | May 20, 2009 at 11:57 pm |

    [quote]I like this “Date the Scoreboard” thing – a regular feature?[/quote]

    prolly be a weekend feature ;)

    already talked to squiddie about it

  • Mike Engle | May 21, 2009 at 12:09 am |

    [quote comment=”330274″][quote comment=”330270″]About 30 minutes ago Brendan Ryan was up to bat and had some dangling foam from his helmet in his face. He took it off, ripped out what looked like the entire ear pad, and slapped it back on his head.[/quote]
    Speaking of Brendan Ryan… locally, I’ve got two games to choose from. One is terrific from an aesthetic perstpective: the Cubs-Cards game you alluded to. Dempster’s pitching, so the Cubs are wearing the gray jerseys.

    On the South Side, it’s a horror show: Sox in their black alts, Twins in their navy alts.[/quote]
    Oh fuck, Dark tops and pinstriped pants vs dark tops and pinstriped pants? OUCH.

  • RobT | May 21, 2009 at 12:57 am |

    The one thing I am glad about for the Stars & Stripes hats, is they didn’t introduce them when the Expos were still around. Can you imagine the flag flap it would get into if the Canadian flag was feature instead of the Quebec flag or vice-versa?

    I personally think that a better idea is to have a general flag hat, akin to the WBC hats, with the team logo as a patch on the side. I’d also make a special dispensation for the Jays to wear their hats on Canada Day and not on the 4th of July.

  • RobT | May 21, 2009 at 1:15 am |

    oops looks like not reading the whole comments, meant my idea of the flag caps has already been covered.

  • Rich C. | May 21, 2009 at 3:08 am |

    Did anyone else see the Clippers GM when they won the draft lottery? He had a jersey style lining to his coat. the best photo I could find was on the Clips splash page.

    http://www.nba.com/c...

  • Big Al | May 21, 2009 at 4:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”330162″]if New Era really wanted to make every team look super patriotic they would outfit every team in team USA hats (WBC/Oly) with the team logo on the side, show that the nation really is bigger than the individual teams[/quote]
    Good job by you, Shaun.

    [quote comment=”330229″]Did anyone have any specific method to get a real good curve? I used to rubber band a baseball under the brim and let it sit like that for a few days.[/quote]
    [flashback to 1992]

    After using a seam-ripper to take out the mesh inside the crown, I would soak the brim in the sink, curve it around a travel coffee mug or one of those two-quart Tupperware pitchers (depending on the degree of the curve I wanted), tie it up with string and leave it for days. Particularly effective with those Circle hats from The Game.

    [/flashback to 1992]