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That’s No Way to Treat Tom Terrific’s Number

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OK, things have now officially gotten so weird that the question needs to be asked: Is there someone at Majestic who’s pissed off because his wife had an affair with a Nationals player? Or with a Nationals executive? Or maybe just with a random person in DC?

That’s about the only plausible explanation after the latest (but almost certainly not final!) episode of “Spot the Nats Uni Faux Pas™!” While you were driving home from your annual Mothers Day fiasco and wondering if it might be possible to rent yourself a new family between now and Fathers Day (forget it, you had put down your deposit months ago), Nats reliever Ron Villone was taking the hill in the bottom of the 6th with both of his front uni numerals flapping in the breeze. The 4 achieved an impressive angle of declination, and the 1 created a nice profile effect. Look, you can even see the torn stitches!

The last time I recall something like this happening on an MLB diamond was on 4/10/05, when Miguel Tejada’s “1” came loose (he ended up removing it completely and played the rest of the game as No. 0). But Tejada’s situation was understandable, because he had just come out of a head-first slide. Villone, on the other hand, had just come out of, uh, the visitors’ bullpen in Arizona.

In case you’ve lost track, Villone is at least the fifth Washington player this season to wear a jersey that was less than shipshape. The others — or at least the others we know of — are Mike Hinckley (upside-down 8), Wil Ledezma (upside-down N), Ryan Zimmerman (misspelled team name), and Adam Dunn (misspelled team name). And this has all happened in the course of just 29 games. At this pace, there’s enough time left in the season for every player on Washington’s 25-man roster to have his own uni glitch — plus a couple of September call-ups!

It can’t just be a coincidence that all these mishaps are befalling the same team, right? All you Majestic folks out there, I know you’re reading this. Anyone care to take the Deep Throat role on this one? C’mon, somebody spill already — I promise to safeguard your anonymity (unless your name is Dick Hertz or something like that, since everyone’ll think that’s a pseudonym anyway).

As for Villone, he needed only three pitches to put out the fire in the 6th inning, and another Washington pitcher took over in the 7th, so we’ll never know whether Villone would have gone back out there with his dangling numerals. And it turns out that the problem had begun to manifest itself the night before, when his 1 was beginning to come loose.

In any case, let’s give Villone credit for some preternatural self-control. How did he resist the urge to rip the numbers off his jersey right there on the mound? I don’t know about you, but my policy when confronted with anything that’s loose and already partially detached — a thread, a button, a clothing tag, a bit of peeling paint, a tuft of cat fur, a Band-Aid, a hangnail, a cuticle, a tooth, a scab, a limb — is that it must be torn free as swiftly and cleanly as possible, am I right? Yet Villone somehow resisted this compulsion. Either he didn’t realize the numbers were coming loose or else he’s a cyborg.

Meanwhile, here’s another question worth asking: Maybe the Nats’ equipment manager should wake up already? Just a thought.

(Special thanks to readers Jeff Christ and Ryan Tominac, who brought this one to my attention within seconds of each other.)

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Extracurricular Update: Just about every free moment I have this week (and probably some not-so-free moments as well) will be devoted to finalizing and installing the Candela Structures exhibit, which opens this Saturday at the City Reliquary. Kirsten and I have been working on this for eight months, and now we’re in “all Candela, all the time” mode (read: a frantic blur). The good news is that I’m pretty happy with how the show has come together; the bad news is that things are going to be so crazy that I’ll probably have to call at least one snow day for the site this week. Apologies in advance for the withdrawal symptoms.

The exhibit has already gotten some coverage on Gothamist, and we expect more media attention this week, including an article in Friday’s New York Times.

For those who are planning to attend the opening reception/party on Saturday evening: Festivities commence at 7pm, but the Reliquary will be open all day. So, if you actually care about seeing the exhibit (as opposed to drinking, mingling, showing off your “I’m Calling It Shea” shirt, etc.), I suggest that you arrive by 6pm, because the exhibit room will be so crowded during the party that you probably won’t be able to take in all the material. There’s really good barbecue half a block away at Fette Sau, so come by in the late afternoon to check out the exhibit, then grab some ’cue, and then come back to the Reliquary for the party (and maybe bring me a present from Fette Sau, hint-hint).

For those who can’t make it on Saturday, the show will be on view at the Reliquary for weekends at least through the end of June. We’ll also be making most of the exhibit’s content available on our Candela web site, so you out-of-towners (and lazy NYCers) will have a chance to see what all the fuss is about.

Meanwhile…: As some of you may be aware, the site’s third birthday is this Sunday. In the past, I’ve always had some sort of announcement to commemorate this date — the advent of the membership program, the unveiling of a new T-shirt design, etc. — but I’ve been so busy with the Candela project and a family crisis that I haven’t been able to plan anything for the site’s anniversary this year. Sorry about that. But I’m definitely proud of what we’ve all accomplished over the past three years, and I hope to be able to mark the occasion when my life’s a bit less hectic.

Speaking of which, there’s another important milestone fast approaching: The 10th anniversary of the very first Uni Watch column is on May 26th. If things work out, Johnny Ek and I may have a special announcement regarding the site that day. Or it might not be ready by then. For now, let’s just say we’ve got something cooking.

Uni Watch News Ticker: Whoa, look at this: My “Outmania” line has been co-opted! The screen grab comes courtesy of John Grow, who spotted it during Friday’s A’s/Jays pregame show (Outman pitched that night’s game). “They didn’t talk about his stirrups, just his pitching,” says John. “No one on the pregame show even said ‘Outmania’ or anything like that. It was just on that ‘Coming up next’ teaser.” … Meanwhile, Outman’s hose have gotten some attention in the local paper. … I’m pretty sure I won something really special here. Details to follow once I receive the item. … Check out Brian McCann’s new look. Details here. … Big thanks to Greg Riffenburgh for pointing out that Cleveland pitcher Jeremy Sowers deserves a spot on Uni Watch’s all-hosiery team. How come nobody brought him to my attention until now? … Soccer note from Ryan McDevitt, who writes: “World-class head case Adriano, having retired for 12 days (just long enough to persuade his club, Inter Milan, to tear up his contract), was just (inevitably) unveiled as a Flamengo player, his hometown club in Rio. In addition to the iconic red and black stripes of the Flamengo jersey, check out the personalized logos on the wall behind him: ‘Imperador do Rio: Adriano’ = ‘Adriano, Emperor of Rio,’ and ‘Voltei para vencer’ = ‘returns to conquer.’ Has there ever been a more narcissistic personal logo for a player? Also, note the tattoo of his own given name on his forearm. Winner.” … Vince has an interesting question about the Jake: “The left foul pole is now sponsored by Walgreens, with the letters running vertically about half the way up. But the W and the A stick out a little bit into foul territory — no more than a couple of inches, but still. What happens if a homer hits that part of the letter? Fair or foul?” … All-time classic contribution from Roger Faso, who writes: “The other day I was at a restaurant that had an aquarium. The shrimp in the aquarium looked like little 49ers pants. They were even color-correct. I pointed it out to my wife and her response was along the lines of, ‘That’s just super, Roger. We’re being seated right now. Would you like to join the adults for lunch?’ Later on, as I was gazing into the distance, my wife said, ‘You’re still thinking about those shrimp, aren’t you?’ It was a quintessential uni-watching moment.” … This guy apparently designed the Broncos’ current logo, along with tons of other stuff (with thanks to Justin Brownlee). … Follow-up on the topic of the Orioles’ solid-orange uniforms from the early 1970s: We had previously established that they’d been worn on 9/16/71 and 4/17/72, and now Hall of Fame curator Tom Shieber reports that the 5/15/72 edition of The Chicago Tribune included the following passage, referring to the Chisox/O’s game of the previous day: “By the time [White Sox pitcher Tom] Bradley was thru taming them, the Orioles were wearing red faces to go with their fetching new burnt-orange uniforms. ‘With that getup, they should be managed by Bob Lemon,’ somebody noted while shielding his eyes from the glage of the visitors’ loud threads. ‘I wonder how they made out in the Grapefruit League?'” … Lance Smith notes that the Life archives now feature a bunch of shots from the 1953 Tour de France. … Speaking of the Life archives, Friday’s comments featured some AMAZING shots of the West Virginia football team wearing some pants that look rather clownish from the back and really unfortunate from the front. … Jim Moran has designed a cool Mark Price tee. … “This is Norfolk (Va.) Academy lacrosse defenseman Bradley Johnson honoring his late grandfather during Friday’s Tidewater Conference tournament final,” says Tris Wykes. … New wordmark for the Penguins. … You call that an arch?! … Hey, who needs Mannywood anyway? (With thanks to Kevin Mann.) … “Those aren’t Seals uniforms,” says Roger Faso. “And that ain’t 1956.” Hmmmmm. … Cool sox, cooler tat. … Hey look, Cornell football players wear their jerseys while conducting their annual fund-raising cop ambush car wash (with thanks to Tris Wykes). … “This is Kyle Peter, an outfielder for the Lakeland Flying Tigers, the Tigers’ single-A affiliate,” writes Wayne Koehler. “As you can clearly see, he’s wearing Rick Porcello’s jersey from last season. Porcello is now with the big club.” … Evan Stewart notes that the Brown lacrosse helmets have TV numbers on one side and the Brown logo on the other. “I can’t think of any other college team that has two different logos on their helmets,” he writes. “I also couldn’t think of any other college that uses their crest on their athletic uniforms.” That last bit sounds a bit counterintuitive — is that really true? … Joe Nathan apparently uses this glove to shag flies (with thanks to Chris Flinn). … Nick Cristiano notes that Jeff Feagles, who started with the Giants wearing No. 10 before switching to 17 and then 18, is back to 17. “Rookie Hakeem Nicks now has 18, and of course 17 became available again when Plaxico was cut,” he says. I’m checking to see if Feagles exacted a price from Nicks, as he did from Eli and Plaxico for their numbers. … Mark Jacobson reports that Brandon Prideaux of the Chicago Fire had his American flag sleeve patch upside-down on Saturday. … Charlie Shields was attending the Arkansas high school baseball tourney on Saturday and noticed that Valley View High has put an interesting spin on the Brewers’ old ball/glove logo. … Nick Whitford says the Broncos used two similar but distinct helmet logos prior to the Nike redesign — one from 1968-92, and one from 1993-96. Details in this discussion board thread. … Karl Vierthaler points out that one of the Brewers’ ballboys is wearing a jersey with the team’s 2002 All-Star Game patch. It’s not clear whether the ballboy has been there that long or if the team is really into recycling. … Some info on Mother’s Day footwear here. As for all the rest of the pink sweatbands, bats, ribbons, etc., there was too much of it to keep track of, so I won’t even try. … Roy McMillan was 35 when this photo was taken. Did he already look like an old man or what? … “I work at the Red Sox team store across from Fenway,” writes Michael Caldwell. “Yesterday I was going through old clearance items in a back room of the store’s warehouse and came across this little gem. It was the only one I could find, so who knows how many were made! I wonder if it was meant to be worn as a sleeve patch the following season?” … Bryan Justman‘s latest DIY project: a Hartford Whalers jersey. … Have I mentioned that I love Milwaukee? … Interesting place for a condom ad (“Not that there’s anything wrong with that,” says Jason Bernard). … “My son had a tournament over the weekend,” writes Patrick Chippeax. “While we were ‘scouting’ other teams we came across this. No other picture, and the only info I have is that they were called the Hustlers. Draw your own conclusions.” … I realize purple is a Washington Huskies team color, but is it really necessary for them to have a purple warning track? (As forwarded by Steve Mandich.) … Hey, this poster is pretty cool! Who knew they played football in Poland? “The league started in ’06 with four teams,” explains Stan Olechowski. “In ’09 they’ll have 22 teams in two divisions. The level of play is pretty bad, but it’s cool to see my fellow Polacks playing football.” … Good to see that Steve Dewing’s amazing baseball photo site, which had been largely dormant for about six weeks, is once again posting new photos daily.

 

226 comments to That’s No Way to Treat Tom Terrific’s Number

  • DenverGregg | May 11, 2009 at 7:44 am |

    While I’m not fond of the 1997 Broncos redesign, the portfolio shows that much worse options were on the table. Yikes.

  • Zack K | May 11, 2009 at 7:52 am |

    Brown’s lacrosse team isn’t the only school to do this… Georgetown’s lacrosse team has been doing the same thing for the last few years. They have the player’s number on one side and the Georgetown G on the other side of the helmet. Not a crest but the team logo.

    http://www.ecacsport...

  • DenverGregg | May 11, 2009 at 7:55 am |

    This must have been the weirdest baseball game of all time.

  • Mike | May 11, 2009 at 8:02 am |

    Tom Hanks, Yomiuri Giants fan? http://www.washingto...

  • teenchy | May 11, 2009 at 8:03 am |

    All these Nats uni blunders are getting annoying, especially since the team is begiing to show signs of life on the field.

  • teenchy | May 11, 2009 at 8:05 am |

    Ironically, I made a blunder of my own: “begiing” for “beginning.” Guess that’s what I get for trying to be a Nats fan.

  • LI Phil | May 11, 2009 at 8:05 am |

    those new pics of ron hansen & tommy mccraw…(steves bb pages)…are those from 1969/70? and were the caps/helmets darker for each of the two seasons or was that just due to the lighting (or lens, or filter, or time)…

    and ricko, were those unis powder blue?

    EDIT: wasn’t clear in the above… i meant were the 1970’s a darker blue from the 1969’s (or vice versa)…or were they the same colors, only appearing different in those photos…OR…were those pics both from the same season?

  • Steve | May 11, 2009 at 8:12 am |

    Villone was called up to the Nationals when they were in LA playing the Dodgers on May 7th, so I doubt Majestic stitched the numbers on that jersey. Most likely it was a clubbie on the Nats.

  • Corey K | May 11, 2009 at 8:18 am |

    That R4ed Sox patch looks exactly like the one that was sold on Mets 1986 WC caps after McNamara, Schiraldi and Buckner helped the Mtes win the WS.

    So it was a almost certainly meant to be ironed on or sewn on to souvenir caps, not uniforms.

  • Scott Little | May 11, 2009 at 8:30 am |

    Lots of Mets fans here, I know. Any Howard Stern fans? Looks like they found a Mets tent to dress him up in. Here’s Gary’s moment in the sun:

    http://www.youtube.c...

  • Alex | May 11, 2009 at 8:34 am |

    Hoy Field in Ithaca NY, has something similar to the Huskies purple warning track. It’s a really dark shade of brown, so dark it’s like it’s red (y’know, Cornell),

    plus, I’m pretty sure the batboy had bought that Brewers jersey back in 2002 and asked to wear it one day.

  • Mike | May 11, 2009 at 8:49 am |

    [quote comment=”328726″]That R4ed Sox patch looks exactly like the one that was sold on Mets 1986 WC caps after McNamara, Schiraldi and Buckner helped the Mtes win the WS.

    So it was a almost certainly meant to be ironed on or sewn on to souvenir caps, not uniforms.[/quote]

    The thought crossed my mind, but the patch looks too big to have been meant for cap placement. Some comparison shots below:

    http://i101.photobuc...
    http://i101.photobuc...

  • LI Phil | May 11, 2009 at 8:55 am |

    [quote comment=”328729″]the patch looks too big to have been meant for cap placement.[/quote]

    i donno…it’s not that unpossible

  • Paul Lukas | May 11, 2009 at 8:56 am |

    [quote comment=”328725″]Villone was called up to the Nationals when they were in LA playing the Dodgers on May 7th, so I doubt Majestic stitched the numbers on that jersey.

    Most likely it was a clubbie on the Nats.[/quote]

    Your facts are really pissing on my story parade, man…..

  • Stuby | May 11, 2009 at 8:58 am |

    Brian McCann was back to his standard catcher’s mask for yesterday’s game, although they showed him warming up in the bullpen with the goalie-style mask prior to the game.

    He also had a flapless solid navy helmet (matching the alt cap but not the batting helmet) underneath.

  • Charlie | May 11, 2009 at 9:04 am |

    McCann switched to the standard mask because his goggles were fogging up.

  • blt | May 11, 2009 at 9:07 am |

    wow, love that photo of the women drinking beer and listening to the braves.

    here’s another good one featuring blatz and baseball.

    http://images.google...

  • Mark in Shiga | May 11, 2009 at 9:09 am |

    What number is that Brewers ballboy wearing? The top part of the number looks like a 7, but the bottom looks like a 3. Either way, you’d expect to see “BB” or “09”, right?

    I remember the Cubs giving unused high numbers to such people years ago (one of the ball girls had 72), and the Dodgers also did something similar in the ’90s. What are the Brewers doing?

  • Joe Hilseberg | May 11, 2009 at 9:14 am |

    -NOTE TO NATIONAL EQUIPMENT MANAGER-

    I live less than 40 miles from Nationals Park, and for a small fee I will come on staff as your official uniform control advisor and make sure these embarrassing snafu’s never make it to the field!

    PS – I’m serious!

  • Chris in Nashville | May 11, 2009 at 9:14 am |

    Sowers probably hasn’t been mentioned much because he just got recalled from AAA for that start. His short career has been a constant roller coaster from minors to majors.

  • Ry Co 40 | May 11, 2009 at 9:15 am |

    why cant the penguins just settle on a wordmark and stick with it?!?!

  • Geeman | May 11, 2009 at 9:18 am |

    Watching the Phillies yesterday and noticed a fan in the front wearing this cap:

    http://i8.ebayimg.co...

    Did they ever wear this?

    The team was wearing this cap:
    http://i22.ebayimg.c...

    We know they wore these caps the year after they won the World Series, but ditched them early in the season:

    http://i.cdn.turner....

    And this is the regular cap:

    http://baseballevolu...

    Interesting that they may have had four different versions of their cap over the last 15 years.

  • DenverGregg | May 11, 2009 at 9:25 am |

    [quote comment=”328739″]
    We know they wore these caps the year after they won the World Series, but ditched them early in the season:

    http://i.cdn.turner.... . . . [/quote]
    The Phils won the Series in 1993? Dang Star Trek movie and time travel continuity problems.

  • War Damn Eagle | May 11, 2009 at 9:26 am |

    Chipper Jones has a shirt that says “I’m Callin Him Shea.”

    That’s right, I said it . . .

  • Geeman | May 11, 2009 at 9:29 am |

    [quote comment=”328740″][quote comment=”328739″]
    We know they wore these caps the year after they won the World Series, but ditched them early in the season:

    http://i.cdn.turner.... . . . [/quote]
    The Phils won the Series in 1993? Dang Star Trek movie and time travel continuity problems.[/quote]

    Sorry. Meant the year AFTER they were in the Series. Not enough coffee this morning.

  • Johnny O | May 11, 2009 at 9:30 am |

    [quote comment=”328739″]Watching the Phillies yesterday and noticed a fan in the front wearing this cap:

    http://i8.ebayimg.co...

    Did they ever wear this?

    The team was wearing this cap:
    http://i22.ebayimg.c...

    We know they wore these caps the year after they won the World Series, but ditched them early in the season:

    http://i.cdn.turner....

    And this is the regular cap:

    http://baseballevolu...

    Interesting that they may have had four different versions of their cap over the last 15 years.[/quote]

    If I’m not mistaken, the Phils only wore that hat during interleague play. I believe they got rid of it starting last year. They only wore it for interleague play for a few seasons.

    http://www.skiltech....

  • Seth H | May 11, 2009 at 9:31 am |

    Uni crests are not uncommon in the Ivy League. Off the top of my head: Princeton hockey jerseys http://www.goprincet... and Harvard football jerseys (look at the shoulders) http://www.gocrimson...

    I am sure that there are more both in the Ivies and elsewhere.

  • Geeman | May 11, 2009 at 9:33 am |

    [quote comment=”328734″]wow, love that photo of the women drinking beer and listening to the braves.

    here’s another good one featuring blatz and baseball.

    http://images.google...

    Which one?

  • Oakville Belgium Endive II | May 11, 2009 at 9:34 am |

    [quote comment=”328718″]While I’m not fond of the 1997 Broncos redesign, the portfolio shows that much worse options were on the table. Yikes.[/quote]

    Yeah one of the logos looks like it would have been more appropriate for a team called the flaming sea horses.

    Love the 49er’s shrimp story – I can relate.

    Brown’s Lacrosse jersey – especially the picture against Penn – looks not bad – almost sharp , maybe there’s hope for this little used colour – just don’t pair it with yellow (mustard) or orange.

  • dave | May 11, 2009 at 9:37 am |

    The West Virginia pants may be clownish from the back, but they’re a little disturbing from the front.

    http://tbn0.google.c...

  • Tris Wykes | May 11, 2009 at 9:41 am |

    Here’s a shot of Harvard hockey goaltender Wade Lau from back in the 1980s. Note the university seal on his shoulder. http://www.flickr.co... Here’s a Harvard football program from the 1980s, also with the seal on the shoulder: http://www.flickr.co...

  • Geen | May 11, 2009 at 9:47 am |

    The West Michigan Whitecaps’ pink jersey worn yesterday looked more like the 1981 Chicago White Sox than the 1981 Houston Astros if you look at the photos on MLive.com. They don’t look like the original drawings on the Caps’ site.

  • Mike Engle | May 11, 2009 at 9:48 am |

    [quote comment=”328743″][quote comment=”328739″]Watching the Phillies yesterday and noticed a fan in the front wearing this cap:

    http://i8.ebayimg.co...

    Did they ever wear this?

    The team was wearing this cap:
    http://i22.ebayimg.c...

    We know they wore these caps the year after they won the World Series, but ditched them early in the season:

    http://i.cdn.turner....

    And this is the regular cap:

    http://baseballevolu...

    Interesting that they may have had four different versions of their cap over the last 15 years.[/quote]

    If I’m not mistaken, the Phils only wore that hat during interleague play. I believe they got rid of it starting last year. They only wore it for interleague play for a few seasons.

    http://www.skiltech....
    Yes. And a gold star to the first person who can come up with a better picture than me.
    (You can faintly see the blue brim. You can also, more clearly, see that the hole in the P is not red. That’s where the star is.)

  • Zach | May 11, 2009 at 9:49 am |

    I have that 1986 Red Sox patch as well as another one or two from 86 and 88. I’ll get pics in when I can – but that patch definitely was an iron-on if that helps place its intended final destination.

  • Tris Wykes | May 11, 2009 at 9:50 am |

    Here’s a shot of a 1970s Dartmouth soccer player with the school crest on his chest: http://www.flickr.co...
    Plus a better shot of Harvard’s football uni crest: http://www.flickr.co...

  • interlockingtc | May 11, 2009 at 9:50 am |

    Viva! Candela Structures.

    I love that you’re doing this….and wait for the website version.

  • diz | May 11, 2009 at 9:51 am |

    I’ve only just noticed, but Hibs’ Derek Riordan became the first SPL player to wear a leading zero in September. Seems as though its treated as the same as 1 for official purposes as well. There’s a great clip on the BBC’s highlights of the Edinburgh derby, but there’s geographical restrictions on it.

  • Mike Engle | May 11, 2009 at 9:55 am |

    [quote comment=”328750″][quote comment=”328743″][quote comment=”328739″]Watching the Phillies yesterday and noticed a fan in the front wearing this cap:

    http://i8.ebayimg.co...

    Did they ever wear this?

    The team was wearing this cap:
    http://i22.ebayimg.c...

    We know they wore these caps the year after they won the World Series, but ditched them early in the season:

    http://i.cdn.turner....

    And this is the regular cap:

    http://baseballevolu...

    Interesting that they may have had four different versions of their cap over the last 15 years.[/quote]

    If I’m not mistaken, the Phils only wore that hat during interleague play. I believe they got rid of it starting last year. They only wore it for interleague play for a few seasons.

    http://www.skiltech....
    Yes. And a gold star to the first person who can come up with a better picture than me.
    (You can faintly see the blue brim. You can also, more clearly, see that the hole in the P is not red. That’s where the star is.)[/quote]
    OK, never mind, I win.
    Pictures from 21 May, 2006, Boston at Philadelphia
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    two
    three

  • Geeman | May 11, 2009 at 9:56 am |

    [quote comment=”328750″][quote comment=”328743″][quote comment=”328739″]Watching the Phillies yesterday and noticed a fan in the front wearing this cap:

    http://i8.ebayimg.co...

    Did they ever wear this?

    The team was wearing this cap:
    http://i22.ebayimg.c...

    We know they wore these caps the year after they won the World Series, but ditched them early in the season:

    http://i.cdn.turner....

    And this is the regular cap:

    http://baseballevolu...

    Interesting that they may have had four different versions of their cap over the last 15 years.[/quote]

    If I’m not mistaken, the Phils only wore that hat during interleague play. I believe they got rid of it starting last year. They only wore it for interleague play for a few seasons.

    http://www.skiltech....
    Yes. And a gold star to the first person who can come up with a better picture than me.
    (You can faintly see the blue brim. You can also, more clearly, see that the hole in the P is not red. That’s where the star is.)[/quote]

    Far as I can tell, the only difference with that cap is that there is a star in the “P.” Otherwise, you’ve got four variations of the same cap — all-red, all-blue, red with blue, and blue with red.

  • Rick | May 11, 2009 at 10:03 am |

    The uni screwups by the Nats is making money for the clubs charity auctions. Expect more.

  • Ricko | May 11, 2009 at 10:08 am |

    [quote comment=”328724″]those new pics of ron hansen & tommy mccraw…(steves bb pages)…are those from 1969/70? and were the caps/helmets darker for each of the two seasons or was that just due to the lighting (or lens, or filter, or time)…

    and ricko, were those unis powder blue?

    EDIT: wasn’t clear in the above… i meant were the 1970’s a darker blue from the 1969’s (or vice versa)…or were they the same colors, only appearing different in those photos…OR…were those pics both from the same season?[/quote]

    Yes, they’re powder blue. Those photos both are pre-1969. Lettering and numbers are navy (in ’69 and ’70 were white edged in contrasting blue), and the hat logo is old square-block lettering that goes back to early ’50s. The hat logo with the stylized “S” and “calligraphy” letters appeared in ’69 and stayed through the red-hat, red-shoes years.

    —Ricko

  • Dan | May 11, 2009 at 10:12 am |

    Re: Brewers Ball boy. Living less than 20 miles from Milwaukee, I attend Brew Crew games on a pretty regular basis. I’m pretty sure that the ball boys(and girls) that work down the line wear their own jerseys. If I’m remembering correctly the last game I attended the girl working the right field line had a Lyle Overbay jersey on.

  • Geeman | May 11, 2009 at 10:15 am |

    [quote comment=”328756″][quote comment=”328750″][quote comment=”328743″][quote comment=”328739″]Watching the Phillies yesterday and noticed a fan in the front wearing this cap:

    http://i8.ebayimg.co...

    Did they ever wear this?

    The team was wearing this cap:
    http://i22.ebayimg.c...

    We know they wore these caps the year after they won the World Series, but ditched them early in the season:

    http://i.cdn.turner....

    And this is the regular cap:

    http://baseballevolu...

    Interesting that they may have had four different versions of their cap over the last 15 years.[/quote]

    If I’m not mistaken, the Phils only wore that hat during interleague play. I believe they got rid of it starting last year. They only wore it for interleague play for a few seasons.

    http://www.skiltech....
    Yes. And a gold star to the first person who can come up with a better picture than me.
    (You can faintly see the blue brim. You can also, more clearly, see that the hole in the P is not red. That’s where the star is.)[/quote]

    Far as I can tell, the only difference with that cap is that there is a star in the “P.” Otherwise, you’ve got four variations of the same cap — all-red, all-blue, red with blue, and blue with red.[/quote]

    Does anyone know of any other team in the majors that has done four variations of the same cap, using two teams colors?

  • The Ol Goaler | May 11, 2009 at 10:17 am |

    For the “Ditch The Black” crowd… whattaya do when your team color is Black (and Old Gold, officially…)?

    Congrats to Mizzou’s softball team for winning the Big XII!

  • Ricko | May 11, 2009 at 10:18 am |

    [quote comment=”328761″]For the “Ditch The Black” crowd… whattaya do when your team color is Black (and Old Gold, officially…)?

    Congrats to Mizzou’s softball team for winning the Big XII![/quote]

  • LI Phil | May 11, 2009 at 10:21 am |

    [quote comment=”328758″][quote comment=”328724″]those new pics of ron hansen & tommy mccraw…(steves bb pages)…are those from 1969/70? and were the caps/helmets darker for each of the two seasons or was that just due to the lighting (or lens, or filter, or time)…

    and ricko, were those unis powder blue?

    EDIT: wasn’t clear in the above… i meant were the 1970’s a darker blue from the 1969’s (or vice versa)…or were they the same colors, only appearing different in those photos…OR…were those pics both from the same season?[/quote]

    Yes, they’re powder blue. Those photos both are pre-1969. Lettering and numbers are navy (in ’69 and ’70 were white edged in contrasting blue), and the hat logo is old square-block lettering that goes back to early ’50s. The hat logo with the stylized “S” and “calligraphy” letters appeared in ’69 and stayed through the red-hat, red-shoes years.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    gracias, kind sir

    (thought they were pre 69-70, but they sure look gray in those photos…i guess then, we can safely assume, any photo of a ‘powder blue’ uni that isn’t a poly double can show up as gray, since it was such a light [and beautiful] blue to begin with?)

    /now i can see why your EYES are far more valuable than even photographic evidence…or okkonen
    //now if we can just find a color pic of the brown blue pony

  • Ricko | May 11, 2009 at 10:22 am |

    [quote comment=”328761″]For the “Ditch The Black” crowd… whattaya do when your team color is Black (and Old Gold, officially…)?

    Congrats to Mizzou’s softball team for winning the Big XII![/quote]

    Pretty sure the “ditch the black” sentiment involves “black for black’s sake”. Don’t think anyone has suggested the Pirates or Steelers or Raiders or Iowa or Purdue, etc., etc., should change team colors. I mean, it’s not like black is PURPLE or something.

    ;)

    —Ricko

  • ChrisSh | May 11, 2009 at 10:22 am |

    [quote comment=”328731″][quote comment=”328725″]Villone was called up to the Nationals when they were in LA playing the Dodgers on May 7th, so I doubt Majestic stitched the numbers on that jersey.

    Most likely it was a clubbie on the Nats.[/quote]

    Your facts are really pissing on my story parade, man…..[/quote]
    True that, but it doesn’t change all the other mistakes Majestic has made. If MLB cared half as much as we did, they would dump Majestic and find a company with some quality control. It is seriously pathetic on Majestic’s part…

  • LI Phil | May 11, 2009 at 10:24 am |

    [quote]Does anyone know of any other team in the majors that has done four variations of the same cap, using two teams colors?[/quote]

    from 1997-99, the mets had 4 different caps (i’ll do up a graphic for that shortly)…but they had FOUR different colors…

    white/blue (ice cream man)
    all blue w/orange NY
    black/blue w/blue/orange NY
    all black w/white/orange blue NY

  • Aram | May 11, 2009 at 10:27 am |

    As for colleges wearing their crests on uniforms, Michigan hockey and baseball both wore the University seal on their shoulders for several years, although I think this might have ended with the Nike contract.

    http://www.michigand...

    http://www.michigand...

  • JRJR | May 11, 2009 at 10:29 am |

    As a guy who married into a Flamengo family(yep, you gotta take the wife’s team), we’ll take Adriano, nutjob or not. Plus, how cool are their uni’s. I particularly like that patch which stands for “Clube de Regatas do Flamengo”. They were originally a rowing club that decided to start a soccer team. Just seems fitting since I am also a Fairmount Rowing Association member!

    http://brazilwithout...

    http://oglobo.globo....

  • Ricko | May 11, 2009 at 10:32 am |

    [quote comment=”328763″][quote comment=”328758″][quote comment=”328724″]those new pics of ron hansen & tommy mccraw…(steves bb pages)…are those from 1969/70? and were the caps/helmets darker for each of the two seasons or was that just due to the lighting (or lens, or filter, or time)…

    and ricko, were those unis powder blue?

    EDIT: wasn’t clear in the above… i meant were the 1970’s a darker blue from the 1969’s (or vice versa)…or were they the same colors, only appearing different in those photos…OR…were those pics both from the same season?[/quote]

    Yes, they’re powder blue. Those photos both are pre-1969. Lettering and numbers are navy (in ’69 and ’70 were white edged in contrasting blue), and the hat logo is old square-block lettering that goes back to early ’50s. The hat logo with the stylized “S” and “calligraphy” letters appeared in ’69 and stayed through the red-hat, red-shoes years.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    gracias, kind sir

    (thought they were pre 69-70, but they sure look gray in those photos…i guess then, we can safely assume, any photo of a ‘powder blue’ uni that isn’t a poly double can show up as gray, since it was such a light [and beautiful] blue to begin with?)

    /now i can see why your EYES are far more valuable than even photographic evidence…or okkonen
    //now if we can just find a color pic of the brown blue pony[/quote]

    My father was an excellent retoucher of black and white photos…for newspapers ads a such (make that blender look shinny and special, etc.). He had numerous numbered tubes of gouche (like water color) in varying shades of gray, from almost white to almost black. There were two distinct spectrums available: Warm gray and cool gray. Warm gray is, for lack of a better description, black and white with just a hint of green/yellow). Cool gray adds a bit of blue to the black and white.

    The point? There were road flannels from both hues. I have a Minneapolis Millers jersey from Ebbets Field Flannels that is more in the warm gray family. I also have some old gray flannel pants that are cool gray. From attending games at the time…even going back to the pre-Twins Millers, one team’s grays didn’t always match another’s.

    And that’s probably the issue with those White Sox unis. Their powder blues were just cool gray with even more blue added. So they can be very hard to “read” in photos…as to whether they were gray or powder blue. I suspect a number of other teams have the same issue.

    But some teams who warm gray such as the Giants, almost never seem to look blue in their flannels.

    —Ricko

  • LI Phil | May 11, 2009 at 10:32 am |
  • Ricko | May 11, 2009 at 10:34 am |

    [quote comment=”328770″]4 mets caps[/quote]

    Three French hens…

    (oh, sorry, thought we were caroling)

  • Geeman | May 11, 2009 at 10:35 am |

    [quote comment=”328770″]4 mets caps[/quote]

    Nice. But, as you noted, one of them was white.

    If I recall, the Marlins started out with a teal cap, a black cap, and a teal cap with black visor. I’ve seen a black cap with a teal visor, but I think it’s just for sales or maybe for BP; if they wore that, that would be four.

  • Geeman | May 11, 2009 at 10:36 am |

    Speaking of BP — it’d be interesting to see a history of the development of the BP jersey — how and why it came about, etc. I think the Yankees or Angels were the first to do it, back in ’79 or ’80.

  • Paul Lukas | May 11, 2009 at 10:36 am |

    [quote comment=”328766″][quote]Does anyone know of any other team in the majors that has done four variations of the same cap, using two teams colors?[/quote]

    from 1997-99, the mets had 4 different caps (i’ll do up a graphic for that shortly)…but they had FOUR different colors…

    white/blue (ice cream man)
    all blue w/orange NY
    black/blue w/blue/orange NY
    all black w/white/orange blue NY[/quote]

    Not only that, but you can add a fifth cap if you go back a year to 1996 — that was the last season when the Mets’ blue cap had a blue button on top. They changed the button to orange in 1997.

  • chance michaels | May 11, 2009 at 10:38 am |

    [quote comment=”328718″]While I’m not fond of the 1997 Broncos redesign, the portfolio shows that much worse options were on the table. Yikes.[/quote]
    But the caption – “We went to great lengths to make the identity timeless, which was not the trend at that time.” ?!

  • Matt Brosseau | May 11, 2009 at 10:38 am |

    Morning all.

    Great job there by Bryan Justman on the Whalers #11 Dineen DIY sweater. At least as good and, when seen in living color, probably a little better than the Pacific Rim knockoff Whalers sweaters sold on eBay by the dozens.

    So, in honor of Bryan, let’s strike up the band for Brass Bonanza.

  • Paul Lukas | May 11, 2009 at 10:38 am |

    [quote comment=”328773″]Speaking of BP — it’d be interesting to see a history of the development of the BP jersey — how and why it came about, etc. I think the Yankees or Angels were the first to do it, back in ’79 or ’80.[/quote]

    Nope. White Sox, 1972:
    http://farm4.static....

  • Geeman | May 11, 2009 at 10:42 am |

    [quote comment=”328777″][quote comment=”328773″]Speaking of BP — it’d be interesting to see a history of the development of the BP jersey — how and why it came about, etc. I think the Yankees or Angels were the first to do it, back in ’79 or ’80.[/quote]

    Nope. White Sox, 1972:
    http://farm4.static....

    Wow. Never knew that. I guess the Yanks or Angels would be the first colored BP jersey then?

  • Kek | May 11, 2009 at 10:43 am |

    A few things this Monday morning:

    1. I thought Saturday’s Bizarro comic would make some of you chuckle (apologies if someone posted this over the weekend and I missed it): http://www.seattlepi...

    2. Would someone be so kind to put the new Pens’ wordmark into flickr? It’s the only photo site not blocked here at my work. Thanks!

    3. I always like that ice cream man hat the Mets had, not sure why. Did Boston have one like that too? Saturday’s cap entry reminded me of the 70s A’s white coaches cap. Unique idea and unique cap. Total oversight on my part since I’ve always been partial to the A’s gear through the years and their current road cap was my fave AL cap (Current White Sox, 76-81 White Sox and Yankees in a close 2-3-4).

  • chance michaels | May 11, 2009 at 10:44 am |

    [quote comment=”328734″]wow, love that photo of the women drinking beer and listening to the braves.

    here’s another good one featuring blatz and baseball.

    http://images.google...

    Am I the only one who really hates the Google Life Archives search engine? I can’t find anything.

  • Geeman | May 11, 2009 at 10:44 am |

    [quote comment=”328774″][quote comment=”328766″][quote]Does anyone know of any other team in the majors that has done four variations of the same cap, using two teams colors?[/quote]

    from 1997-99, the mets had 4 different caps (i’ll do up a graphic for that shortly)…but they had FOUR different colors…

    white/blue (ice cream man)
    all blue w/orange NY
    black/blue w/blue/orange NY
    all black w/white/orange blue NY[/quote]

    Not only that, but you can add a fifth cap if you go back a year to 1996 — that was the last season when the Mets’ blue cap had a blue button on top. They changed the button to orange in 1997.[/quote]

    O.K., now we’re talking crazy, LOL. By the way — has the Mets’ royal blue gotten lighter over the years? If you look at the pics of the Mets in 1970s, that blue seems darker. It’s a gorgeous color, for sure (though so is the current blue). Maybe it’s just the lighting in the photos.

  • Stuby | May 11, 2009 at 10:46 am |

    [quote comment=”328766″][quote]Does anyone know of any other team in the majors that has done four variations of the same cap, using two teams colors?[/quote]

    from 1997-99, the mets had 4 different caps (i’ll do up a graphic for that shortly)…but they had FOUR different colors…

    white/blue (ice cream man)
    all blue w/orange NY
    black/blue w/blue/orange NY
    all black w/white/orange blue NY[/quote]
    I know the D-Backs had a plethora of caps when they started. Over at the Chris Creamer site, they show:

    1) All purple cap with teal A
    2) Black cap, teal bill, teal A
    3) White cap, teal bill, teal A
    4) Teal cap, purple bill, purple A

    Not to mention the all black cap with the snake bent in a painful right angle to look like a D.

  • Geeman | May 11, 2009 at 10:46 am |

    [quote comment=”328779″]A few things this Monday morning:

    1. I thought Saturday’s Bizarro comic would make some of you chuckle (apologies if someone posted this over the weekend and I missed it): http://www.seattlepi...

    2. Would someone be so kind to put the new Pens’ wordmark into flickr? It’s the only photo site not blocked here at my work. Thanks!

    3. I always like that ice cream man hat the Mets had, not sure why. Did Boston have one like that too? Saturday’s cap entry reminded me of the 70s A’s white coaches cap. Unique idea and unique cap. Total oversight on my part since I’ve always been partial to the A’s gear through the years and their current road cap was my fave AL cap (Current White Sox, 76-81 White Sox and Yankees in a close 2-3-4).[/quote]

    I thought about that A’s coaches’ cap too, but didn’t think it qualified, as it was not on the “field of play” (used between the base lines).

    I think the Sox briefly wore a white cap in the late 1970s, as well as a red and blue cap (with a white “B” to reverse the image from 1975-78).

  • tom farley | May 11, 2009 at 10:48 am |

    “Those aren’t Seals uniforms,” says Roger Faso. “And that ain’t 1956.”
    It’s not Los Angeles, either. That’s Candlestick in the ’60s; it wasn’t enclosed until ’72.

    Joe D has a San Francisco road jersey on, but a Yankees cap.

  • LI Phil | May 11, 2009 at 10:54 am |

    [quote comment=”328780″][quote comment=”328734″]wow, love that photo of the women drinking beer and listening to the braves.

    here’s another good one featuring blatz and baseball.

    http://images.google...

    Am I the only one who really hates the Google Life Archives search engine? I can’t find anything.[/quote]

    chance…did you see the great tutorial (scroll down a bit) from squiddie?

    that should help your searching

  • Joe Hilseberg | May 11, 2009 at 10:55 am |

    http://farm4.static....

    Prime reason why it is better to use nameplates… guaranteed perfect arches!

    http://i1.ebayimg.co...

  • Tim | May 11, 2009 at 10:56 am |

    [quote comment=”328738″]why cant the penguins just settle on a wordmark and stick with it?!?![/quote]

    Hey, speaking of cap/uni changes, how many times has Pittsboig changed their wordmark since 1992 or so? Seems like their jerseys, wordmarks, the whole shebang, are always getting tweaked.

  • Dirty | May 11, 2009 at 11:08 am |

    A few weeks ago there was a website that had a bunch of vintage baseball caps. It wasn’t Ebbets Field or Cooperstown. The only other thing I remember about the site was that they didn’t seem to have many photos of the actual caps, just drawings. Can anyone help me out with what this site was?

    Thanks.

  • CWeb9 | May 11, 2009 at 11:09 am |

    Re: That 49ers shrimp item … I haven\’t laughed that hard in a long time. Too funny.

  • chance michaels | May 11, 2009 at 11:11 am |

    [quote comment=”328785″][quote comment=”328780″][quote comment=”328734″]wow, love that photo of the women drinking beer and listening to the braves.

    here’s another good one featuring blatz and baseball.

    http://images.google...

    Am I the only one who really hates the Google Life Archives search engine? I can’t find anything.[/quote]

    chance…did you see the great tutorial (scroll down a bit) from squiddie?

    that should help your searching[/quote]
    Nope, I missed it. Thanks!

  • rob | May 11, 2009 at 11:13 am |

    [quote comment=”328767″]As for colleges wearing their crests on uniforms, Michigan hockey and baseball both wore the University seal on their shoulders for several years, although I think this might have ended with the Nike contract.

    http://www.michigand...

    http://www.michigand...

    Notre Dame hockey also has the crest on their shoulders…

    http://img254.images...

  • Geeman | May 11, 2009 at 11:13 am |

    [quote comment=”328783″][quote comment=”328779″]A few things this Monday morning:

    1. I thought Saturday’s Bizarro comic would make some of you chuckle (apologies if someone posted this over the weekend and I missed it): http://www.seattlepi...

    2. Would someone be so kind to put the new Pens’ wordmark into flickr? It’s the only photo site not blocked here at my work. Thanks!

    3. I always like that ice cream man hat the Mets had, not sure why. Did Boston have one like that too? Saturday’s cap entry reminded me of the 70s A’s white coaches cap. Unique idea and unique cap. Total oversight on my part since I’ve always been partial to the A’s gear through the years and their current road cap was my fave AL cap (Current White Sox, 76-81 White Sox and Yankees in a close 2-3-4).[/quote]

    I thought about that A’s coaches’ cap too, but didn’t think it qualified, as it was not on the “field of play” (used between the base lines).

    I think the Sox briefly wore a white cap in the late 1970s, as well as a red and blue cap (with a white “B” to reverse the image from 1975-78).[/quote]

    I meant late 1990s that the Sox wore a white cap.

  • Chad | May 11, 2009 at 11:13 am |

    nats uni errors make it to mental floss. 7 Interesting Typo Tales http://www.mentalflo...

  • chance michaels | May 11, 2009 at 11:16 am |

    [quote comment=”328788″]A few weeks ago there was a website that had a bunch of vintage baseball caps. It wasn’t Ebbets Field or Cooperstown. The only other thing I remember about the site was that they didn’t seem to have many photos of the actual caps, just drawings. Can anyone help me out with what this site was?

    Thanks.[/quote]

    The Cooperstown Cap Company. http://ballcap.com/

    Order from them at your peril. Not only are many of the designs highly questionable at best, but the quality varies wildly. As do the sizes – I’ve ordered several 7 5/8 sized caps from them, and there has been as much as an inch difference in the circumference.

  • chance michaels | May 11, 2009 at 11:17 am |

    [quote comment=”328769″]
    My father was an excellent retoucher of black and white photos…for newspapers ads a such (make that blender look shinny and special, etc.). He had numerous numbered tubes of gouche (like water color) in varying shades of gray, from almost white to almost black. There were two distinct spectrums available: Warm gray and cool gray. Warm gray is, for lack of a better description, black and white with just a hint of green/yellow). Cool gray adds a bit of blue to the black and white.

    The point? There were road flannels from both hues. I have a Minneapolis Millers jersey from Ebbets Field Flannels that is more in the warm gray family. I also have some old gray flannel pants that are cool gray. From attending games at the time…even going back to the pre-Twins Millers, one team’s grays didn’t always match another’s.

    And that’s probably the issue with those White Sox unis.

    Their powder blues were just cool gray with even more blue added. So they can be very hard to “read” in photos…as to whether they were gray or powder blue. I suspect a number of other teams have the same issue.

    But some teams who warm gray such as the Giants, almost never seem to look blue in their flannels.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    From 1994-1996, the Brewers used a road gray that had a lot of green in it, the better to emphasize their new team color (the roads also had green piping).

  • Chad | May 11, 2009 at 11:18 am |

    On top of the other uni-related snafus for the Nats, didn’t they have a pitcher go out on the mound with someone else’s NOB? I know the economy is making things difficult for even professional teams, but man, there are some serious quality-control issues going on there.

  • jesse | May 11, 2009 at 11:18 am |

    Cooperstown ballcap company

  • Giancarlo | May 11, 2009 at 11:22 am |

    The only problem with the shrimp is that they’re clearly wearing the over-wide Montana era stripes. Can anyone photoshop some narrower stripes onto them?

  • peter | May 11, 2009 at 11:25 am |

    Hey teebz; I wanted to ask you away from today’s uni post, if you have ever been to see the Peterborough Petes?

    I am planning to do a “mini” Canadian Hockey Road Trip (in Eastern Ontario…Toronto to Ottawa specifically) and see some of the smaller Hockey towns.

    I am looking around October to this and to only take a 5 day mini road trip? ANy MUST SEE spots/teams?

    my email can be found in my link.

    Thanks!

  • LI Phil | May 11, 2009 at 11:26 am |

    [quote comment=”328796″]On top of the other uni-related snafus for the Nats, didn’t they have a pitcher go out on the mound with someone else’s NOB? I know the economy is making things difficult for even professional teams, but man, there are some serious quality-control issues going on there.[/quote]

    darren o’day

    was the texas texases tho…

  • Ricko | May 11, 2009 at 11:29 am |

    [quote comment=”328783″][quote comment=”328779″]A few things this Monday morning:

    1. I thought Saturday’s Bizarro comic would make some of you chuckle (apologies if someone posted this over the weekend and I missed it): http://www.seattlepi...

    2. Would someone be so kind to put the new Pens’ wordmark into flickr? It’s the only photo site not blocked here at my work. Thanks!

    3. I always like that ice cream man hat the Mets had, not sure why. Did Boston have one like that too? Saturday’s cap entry reminded me of the 70s A’s white coaches cap. Unique idea and unique cap. Total oversight on my part since I’ve always been partial to the A’s gear through the years and their current road cap was my fave AL cap (Current White Sox, 76-81 White Sox and Yankees in a close 2-3-4).[/quote]

    I thought about that A’s coaches’ cap too, but didn’t think it qualified, as it was not on the “field of play” (used between the base lines).

    I think the Sox briefly wore a white cap in the late 1970s, as well as a red and blue cap (with a white “B” to reverse the image from 1975-78).[/quote]

    White Sox opened 1976 with white hats on the road, but shortly switched to all navy for both home and road. This is a ’77 card, photo shot early in ’76.
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    —Ricko

  • peter | May 11, 2009 at 11:32 am |

    Interesting to note how far his name reaches on the back of his uni…

  • Eric Romain | May 11, 2009 at 11:37 am |

    Chris Osgood was having helmet decal issues during yesterday’s 4-1 win over the ducks. http://sports.espn.g...

  • Bouj | May 11, 2009 at 11:39 am |

    Villone was called up to the Nationals when they were in LA playing the Dodgers on May 7th, so I doubt Majestic stitched the numbers on that jersey.

    Most likely it was a clubbie on the Nats.

    Your facts are really pissing on my story parade, man…..

    True that, but it doesn’t change all the other mistakes Majestic has made. If MLB cared half as much as we did, they would dump Majestic and find a company with some quality control. It is seriously pathetic on Majestic’s part…

    If MLB cared, they’d dump Majestic for a company that could meet their production demands. Try to get your hands on an authentic MLB jersey right now. If you don’t go to the team store at the stadium, you are SOL. Majestic is a month behind on production, easily.

    Go back to Russell. Go back to Rawlings. Just dump Majestic.

  • Scott Davis | May 11, 2009 at 11:40 am |

    That Red Sox world champs patch made me cry a single tear. BUCKNER!!!!!!

  • mmwatkin | May 11, 2009 at 11:42 am |

    [quote comment=”328786″]http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3318/3514681206_3eb5fb85a7_o.png

    Prime reason why it is better to use nameplates… guaranteed perfect arches!

    http://i1.ebayimg.co...

    Or teams could just get someone who can properly arch a name across the back of the uni. It is not like they have to do it freehand. There are tools to achieve the perfect arch without screwing it up.

    I hate the look of nameplates. I don’t know, they seem very “minor-league” to me. A last name perfectly arched, direct-sewn onto a home uniform is a beautiful thing.

  • Paul Lukas | May 11, 2009 at 11:44 am |

    [quote comment=”328806″][quote comment=”328786″]http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3318/3514681206_3eb5fb85a7_o.png

    Prime reason why it is better to use nameplates… guaranteed perfect arches!

    http://i1.ebayimg.co...

    Or teams could just get someone who can properly arch a name across the back of the uni. It is not like they have to do it freehand. There are tools to achieve the perfect arch without screwing it up.

    I hate the look of nameplates. I don’t know, they seem very “minor-league” to me. A last name perfectly arched, direct-sewn onto a home uniform is a beautiful thing.[/quote]

    I agree with every word of this, but we’ll never convince Hilseberg, who’s steadfast in his nameplate advocacy. And since he worked in the biz, I can cut him some slack on that one.

  • Geeman | May 11, 2009 at 11:44 am |

    [quote comment=”328806″][quote comment=”328786″]http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3318/3514681206_3eb5fb85a7_o.png

    Prime reason why it is better to use nameplates… guaranteed perfect arches!

    http://i1.ebayimg.co...

    Or teams could just get someone who can properly arch a name across the back of the uni. It is not like they have to do it freehand. There are tools to achieve the perfect arch without screwing it up.

    I hate the look of nameplates. I don’t know, they seem very “minor-league” to me. A last name perfectly arched, direct-sewn onto a home uniform is a beautiful thing.[/quote]

    A home uniform should not have a nameplate. In fact, one could argue that the only names that should be on jerseys are the team names.

  • War Damn Eagle | May 11, 2009 at 11:46 am |

    How about the Reds?

    Red cap with white C:
    http://www.checkoutm...

    Black hat with red bill:
    http://reds.enquirer...

    Red hat with black bill:
    http://www4.pictures...

    Red hat with white/black C:
    http://www3.pictures...

  • Teebz | May 11, 2009 at 11:48 am |

    [quote comment=”328799″]Hey teebz; I wanted to ask you away from today’s uni post, if you have ever been to see the Peterborough Petes?

    I am planning to do a “mini” Canadian Hockey Road Trip (in Eastern Ontario…Toronto to Ottawa specifically) and see some of the smaller Hockey towns.

    I am looking around October to this and to only take a 5 day mini road trip? ANy MUST SEE spots/teams?

    my email can be found in my link.

    Thanks![/quote]

    Depending on where you are in southern Ontario, seeing the Petes is a great choice. I’d also recommend Brampton, Windsor, Kitchener, and London if you can swing those destinations.

    All five spots have solid hockey teams.

  • Geeman | May 11, 2009 at 11:55 am |

    [quote comment=”328809″]How about the Reds?

    Red cap with white C:
    http://www.checkoutm...

    Black hat with red bill:
    http://reds.enquirer...

    Red hat with black bill:
    http://www4.pictures...

    Red hat with white/black C:
    http://www3.pictures...

    Good one. Even better: I saw a game in San Diego in 2000 in which the Reds were wearing black caps with red bills, and the catcher was wearing an all-black batting helmet while catching. So the Reds may have had an all-black cap too. That’s your four right there.

  • LI Phil | May 11, 2009 at 11:56 am |

    [quote comment=”328808″][quote comment=”328806″][quote comment=”328786″]http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3318/3514681206_3eb5fb85a7_o.png

    Prime reason why it is better to use nameplates… guaranteed perfect arches!

    http://i1.ebayimg.co...

    Or teams could just get someone who can properly arch a name across the back of the uni. It is not like they have to do it freehand. There are tools to achieve the perfect arch without screwing it up.

    I hate the look of nameplates. I don’t know, they seem very “minor-league” to me. A last name perfectly arched, direct-sewn onto a home uniform is a beautiful thing.[/quote]

    A home uniform should not have a nameplate. In fact, one could argue that the only names that should be on jerseys are the team names.[/quote]

    funny you should say that

    i hate nameplates as well, ESPECIALLY on pins…but look how much better the jersey looks with NNOB versus either style with name

  • Teebz | May 11, 2009 at 11:59 am |

    [quote comment=”328810″][quote comment=”328799″]Hey teebz; I wanted to ask you away from today’s uni post, if you have ever been to see the Peterborough Petes?

    I am planning to do a “mini” Canadian Hockey Road Trip (in Eastern Ontario…Toronto to Ottawa specifically) and see some of the smaller Hockey towns.

    I am looking around October to this and to only take a 5 day mini road trip? ANy MUST SEE spots/teams?

    my email can be found in my link.

    Thanks![/quote]

    Depending on where you are in southern Ontario, seeing the Petes is a great choice. I’d also recommend Brampton, Windsor, Kitchener, and London if you can swing those destinations.

    All five spots have solid hockey teams.[/quote]

    I guess I should follow-up with this.

    If you can’t swing the long-distance driving, the Barrie Colts, Belleville Bulls, Oshawa Generals are solid OHL choices, and you can either swing by Toronto for a Mississauga IceDogs game or an AHL Toronto Marlies game.

    Guelph and Kitchener aren’t that far away from Toronto, but that’s up to you. :o)

  • War Damn Eagle | May 11, 2009 at 11:59 am |

    [quote comment=”328809″]How about the Reds?

    Red cap with white C:
    http://www.checkoutm...

    Black hat with red bill:
    http://reds.enquirer...

    Red hat with black bill:
    http://www4.pictures...

    Red hat with white/black C:
    http://www3.pictures...

    Cincy also had the white hat with red pinstripes and red bill:
    http://product.image...

    I forgot about that one. That’s 5 hats between 1998 and 2007.

  • War Damn Eagle | May 11, 2009 at 12:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”328811″][quote comment=”328809″]How about the Reds?

    Red cap with white C:
    http://www.checkoutm...

    Black hat with red bill:
    http://reds.enquirer...

    Red hat with black bill:
    http://www4.pictures...

    Red hat with white/black C:
    http://www3.pictures...

    Good one. Even better: I saw a game in San Diego in 2000 in which the Reds were wearing black caps with red bills, and the catcher was wearing an all-black batting helmet while catching. So the Reds may have had an all-black cap too. That’s your four right there.[/quote]

    I don’t know about a solid black batting helmet, but they did have a solid black BP cap earlier this decade:

    http://www.columbuss...

  • Geeman | May 11, 2009 at 12:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”328814″][quote comment=”328809″]How about the Reds?

    Red cap with white C:
    http://www.checkoutm...

    Black hat with red bill:
    http://reds.enquirer...

    Red hat with black bill:
    http://www4.pictures...

    Red hat with white/black C:
    http://www3.pictures...

    Cincy also had the white hat with red pinstripes and red bill:
    http://product.image...

    I forgot about that one. That’s 5 hats between 1998 and 2007.[/quote]

    Did they wear an all-black cap much?

  • War Damn Eagle | May 11, 2009 at 12:08 pm |

    Texas Rangers:

    Blue hat with red T:
    http://blogs.dallaso...

    Blue hat with white T:
    http://news.bbc.co.u...

    Blue hat with black bill:
    http://www.cbc.ca/gf...

    Red hat:
    http://espn.go.com/m...

  • Wally1912 | May 11, 2009 at 12:08 pm |

    [quote comment=\”328765]
    True that, but it doesn\’t change all the other mistakes Majestic has made. If MLB cared half as much as we did, they would dump Majestic and find a company with some quality control. It is seriously pathetic on Majestic\’s part…[/quote]

    I totally agree. Majestic is the worst uniform manufacturer. They have absolutely no attention to detail and are extremely lazy overall. I think they bit off more than they could chew by trying to outfit all 30 teams. They are the ones who ended the vertically arched names on the Braves jersey because of their laziness. Besides all the Nats blunders, what about the crooked patches on road grays of the Red Sox? You can look at each team and find all sorts of problems caused by Majestic. They just don’t give a damn.
    I wish Wilson would return to MLB and prep the uniforms, perhaps splitting the teams with Rawlings. Wilson jerseys were things of beauty, even the ones they had to manufacture with a Majestic logo in 2000 for the White Sox, Cubs, Brew Crew, and Blue Jays.
    Russell was another company that was extremely lazy, but Majestic takes the cake.

  • Lee | May 11, 2009 at 12:09 pm |

    Adriano has always been the Emperor. In Italy, he was l’Imperatore. comes from having the same name as a Roman Emperor.

  • Seth H | May 11, 2009 at 12:13 pm |

    I remembered another school crest jersey, Union hockey: http://www.unionathl...

  • War Damn Eagle | May 11, 2009 at 12:22 pm |

    Royals:

    Blue hat with black bill:
    http://www.maximusne...

    Blue hat:
    http://www.dreamfact...

    Black hat with blue bill:
    http://www.mikesween...

    Grey hat with blue bill:
    http://www.baseball-...

  • jon | May 11, 2009 at 12:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”328787″][quote comment=”328738″]why cant the penguins just settle on a wordmark and stick with it?!?![/quote]

    Hey, speaking of cap/uni changes, how many times has Pittsboig changed their wordmark since 1992 or so? Seems like their jerseys, wordmarks, the whole shebang, are always getting tweaked.[/quote]

    i dunno why they keep changing the wordmark, but as it appears nowhere on the uniform i just let em do it. as for the uniforms, ever since the change away from the skating penguin for the 1992-93 season the pens have had a penchant for taking their alternate uniforms and making them their official road/home unis. for instance, in 92-93, the home and away jerseys were:

    http://images.wikia....

    and

    http://www.hockeyher...

    respectively (that black one, btw, is my favorite hockey jersey of all time). i dont know exactly what year it started, but they came out with an alternate jersey:

    http://www.post-gaze...

    this alternate became the official road jersey the next season. a few seasons later, they came out with a new alternate jersey:

    http://news.bbc.co.u...

    this alternate became the official home jersey within two years, i believe (as the nhl had dictated that dark jerseys were to be worn at home – grumble to that one). and when it did, the penguins came out with a new road jersey to match it:

    http://hockeydraft.c...

    we all know what happened next: rbk edge:

    http://www.everyjoe....

    and

    http://media.canada....

    then the alternate:

    http://media.photobu...

    if the trend continues, then this will be the future penguins home jersey. i, personally, do not want that. this is not to say i dislike the pens new third jersey; i love it (i really wish we could see the pens in powder blues against the flyers in orange – i think that would be awesome). but the city of pittsburgh is the only city that has all three teams on the same color scheme (well, approximately now thanks to these pens). i really would like to keep that. in fact, i would like to bring back the old gold. with that in mind, would anyone with photoshop skills be able to put something like that together using their current uni, just to see what it would look like?

  • Paul Lukas | May 11, 2009 at 12:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”328818″]Majestic is the worst uniform manufacturer. … They are the ones who ended the vertically arched names on the Braves jersey because of their laziness.[/quote]

    I thought the Braves made that decision on their own. Or at least that was my impression. Do you have more details to share about that?

  • Oakville Endive | May 11, 2009 at 12:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”328813″][quote comment=”328810″][quote comment=”328799″]Hey teebz; I wanted to ask you away from today’s uni post, if you have ever been to see the Peterborough Petes?

    I am planning to do a “mini” Canadian Hockey Road Trip (in Eastern Ontario…Toronto to Ottawa specifically) and see some of the smaller Hockey towns.

    I am looking around October to this and to only take a 5 day mini road trip? ANy MUST SEE spots/teams?

    my email can be found in my link.

    Thanks![/quote]

    Depending on where you are in southern Ontario, seeing the Petes is a great choice. I’d also recommend Brampton, Windsor, Kitchener, and London if you can swing those destinations.

    All five spots have solid hockey teams.[/quote]

    I guess I should follow-up with this.

    If you can’t swing the long-distance driving, the Barrie Colts, Belleville Bulls, Oshawa Generals are solid OHL choices, and you can either swing by Toronto for a Mississauga IceDogs game or an AHL Toronto Marlies game.

    Guelph and Kitchener aren’t that far away from Toronto, but that’s up to you. :o)[/quote]

    Hey Teebz,

    The Ice Dogs now play in Niagara Falls, St Mike’s Majors now play in the Mississauga arena.

    My choices for atmosphere and history would be:

    1. Peterborough (the H of F – was almost located in this town)
    2. Kitchener – From what I understand – almost always sellout
    3. London

    These are all relatively smaller cities in Ontario – that care about junior hockey. I would tend to stay away from the Toronto suburban teams – Toronto only cares about one team – the Maple Leafs – so Brampton, Mississauga and Toronto AHL’s team – play to small crowds – although the AHL team plays in a great old renovated arena.

  • War Damn Eagle | May 11, 2009 at 12:26 pm |

    I think any team that didn’t have black in their color scheme, but decided to incorporate black for absolutely no reason at all, had some crazy combination of hats (usually 3 or 4) b/c they had to incorporate a black version, or a black brim, or a black drop shadow. See: Mets, Rangers, Royals, and Reds. The Marlins might be the lone exception. Black has always been a part of their color scheme. I think the worst offenders are the hats that have a black brim for the sake of having a black brim. Those hats are fugly.

  • War Damn Eagle | May 11, 2009 at 12:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”328823″][quote comment=”328818″]Majestic is the worst uniform manufacturer. … They are the ones who ended the vertically arched names on the Braves jersey because of their laziness.[/quote]

    I thought the Braves made that decision on their own. Or at least that was my impression. Do you have more details to share about that?[/quote]

  • War Damn Eagle | May 11, 2009 at 12:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”328826″][quote comment=”328823″][quote comment=”328818″]Majestic is the worst uniform manufacturer. … They are the ones who ended the vertically arched names on the Braves jersey because of their laziness.[/quote]

    I thought the Braves made that decision on their own. Or at least that was my impression. Do you have more details to share about that?[/quote][/quote]

  • Joe Hilseberg | May 11, 2009 at 12:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”328807″][quote comment=”328806″][quote comment=”328786″]http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3318/3514681206_3eb5fb85a7_o.png

    Prime reason why it is better to use nameplates… guaranteed perfect arches!

    http://i1.ebayimg.co...

    Or teams could just get someone who can properly arch a name across the back of the uni. It is not like they have to do it freehand. There are tools to achieve the perfect arch without screwing it up.

    I hate the look of nameplates. I don’t know, they seem very “minor-league” to me. A last name perfectly arched, direct-sewn onto a home uniform is a beautiful thing.[/quote]

    I agree with every word of this, but we’ll never convince Hilseberg, who’s steadfast in his nameplate advocacy. And since he worked in the biz, I can cut him some slack on that one.[/quote]

    I do look at it from a production standpoint…it is far easier to correctly create a jersey with a nameplate…easier prep and alignment. You can have the name sewn in half the time on a nameplate vs. direct sew.

    I could be convinced to change my views if all the MLB teams could correctly arch a name, but they can’t even get the numbers to stick to the damn jerseys, so we are light years away from perfect names.

  • MPowers1634 | May 11, 2009 at 12:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”328825″]I think any team that didn’t have black in their color scheme, but decided to incorporate black for absolutely no reason at all, had some crazy combination of hats (usually 3 or 4) b/c they had to incorporate a black version, or a black brim, or a black drop shadow. See: Mets, Rangers, Royals, and Reds. The Marlins might be the lone exception. Black has always been a part of their color scheme. I think the worst offenders are the hats that have a black brim for the sake of having a black brim. Those hats are fugly.[/quote]

    Has anyone noticed the increased amount of Reds caps being worn lately?

    Methinks it has nothing to do with Junior’s brief stint with them.

    My belief is that the red cap with the large C has more gang-related implications, almost moreso for those who want pople to THINK that the wearer is affiliated.

  • War Damn Eagle | May 11, 2009 at 12:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”328827″][quote comment=”328826″][quote comment=”328823″][quote comment=”328818″]Majestic is the worst uniform manufacturer. … They are the ones who ended the vertically arched names on the Braves jersey because of their laziness.[/quote]

    I thought the Braves made that decision on their own. Or at least that was my impression. Do you have more details to share about that?[/quote][/quote][/quote]

    I seem to remember an article quoting John Schuerholz saying that the change to radial-arched names in 2006 was because of the decreased cost/time when players were brought up from the minor leagues or acquired through trades. Have the Braves made the playoffs since dumping the vertically arched nameplates? No. I rest my case. Ugh.

  • War Damn Eagle | May 11, 2009 at 12:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”328830″][quote comment=”328827″][quote comment=”328826″][quote comment=”328823″][quote comment=”328818″]Majestic is the worst uniform manufacturer. … They are the ones who ended the vertically arched names on the Braves jersey because of their laziness.[/quote]

    I thought the Braves made that decision on their own. Or at least that was my impression. Do you have more details to share about that?[/quote][/quote][/quote]

    I seem to remember an article quoting John Schuerholz saying that the change to radial-arched names in 2006 was because of the decreased cost/time when players were brought up from the minor leagues or acquired through trades. Have the Braves made the playoffs since dumping the vertically arched nameplates? No. I rest my case. Ugh.[/quote]

    Paul covered this subject not too long ago in an ESPN.com article:

    http://sports.espn.g...

    The pics of Braves players wearing vertically-arched names just depresses me. Damnit they were cool!

  • mike 2 | May 11, 2009 at 12:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”328813″][quote comment=”328810″][quote comment=”328799″]Hey teebz; I wanted to ask you away from today’s uni post, if you have ever been to see the Peterborough Petes?

    I am planning to do a “mini” Canadian Hockey Road Trip (in Eastern Ontario…Toronto to Ottawa specifically) and see some of the smaller Hockey towns.

    I am looking around October to this and to only take a 5 day mini road trip? ANy MUST SEE spots/teams?

    my email can be found in my link.

    Thanks![/quote]

    Depending on where you are in southern Ontario, seeing the Petes is a great choice. I’d also recommend Brampton, Windsor, Kitchener, and London if you can swing those destinations.

    All five spots have solid hockey teams.[/quote]

    I guess I should follow-up with this.

    If you can’t swing the long-distance driving, the Barrie Colts, Belleville Bulls, Oshawa Generals are solid OHL choices, and you can either swing by Toronto for a Mississauga IceDogs game or an AHL Toronto Marlies game.

    Guelph and Kitchener aren’t that far away from Toronto, but that’s up to you. :o)[/quote]

    Mississauga IceDogs are no more – they’re in Niagara Falls now, and St. Mike’s plays out of Mississauga.

    If you’re heading towards Ottawa, catch a Kingston Frontenacs game. Beautiful new downtown arena, the head coach is Doug Gilmour and Kingston is a great college town with lots to see and do.

  • Bernard | May 11, 2009 at 12:37 pm |

    Ugh. New Penguins wordmark is very lame. Cartoony/bush league.

  • Ry Co 40 | May 11, 2009 at 12:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”328812″][quote comment=”328808″][quote comment=”328806″][quote comment=”328786″]http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3318/3514681206_3eb5fb85a7_o.png

    Prime reason why it is better to use nameplates… guaranteed perfect arches!

    http://i1.ebayimg.co...

    Or teams could just get someone who can properly arch a name across the back of the uni. It is not like they have to do it freehand. There are tools to achieve the perfect arch without screwing it up.

    I hate the look of nameplates. I don’t know, they seem very “minor-league” to me. A last name perfectly arched, direct-sewn onto a home uniform is a beautiful thing.[/quote]

    A home uniform should not have a nameplate. In fact, one could argue that the only names that should be on jerseys are the team names.[/quote]

    funny you should say that

    i hate nameplates as well, ESPECIALLY on pins…but look how much better the jersey looks with NNOB versus either style with name[/quote]

    MLB & NHL home jerseys should be NNOB

  • Wally1912 | May 11, 2009 at 12:44 pm |

    [quote comment=\”328823\”][quote comment=\”328818\”]Majestic is the worst uniform manufacturer. … They are the ones who ended the vertically arched names on the Braves jersey because of their laziness.[/quote]

    I thought the Braves made that decision on their own. Or at least that was my impression. Do you have more details to share about that?[/quote]

    I always equated it as Majestic=Lazier Approach but I did find your quote from a Braves spokesperson where the team took the hit. I apologize for blasting Majestic on that point.
    http://sports.espn.g...

  • Lee | May 11, 2009 at 12:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”328835″][quote comment=\”328823\”][quote comment=\”328818\”]Majestic is the worst uniform manufacturer. … They are the ones who ended the vertically arched names on the Braves jersey because of their laziness.[/quote]

    I thought the Braves made that decision on their own. Or at least that was my impression. Do you have more details to share about that?[/quote]

    I always equated it as Majestic=Lazier Approach but I did find your quote from a Braves spokesperson where the team took the hit. I apologize for blasting Majestic on that point.
    http://sports.espn.g...

    We can still give Majestic at least part of the blame… after all, they could have come back to the Braves and said “hey look, you’re our only VAL team were outfitting, so so we’ll adjust our SLA for you guys to XX hours after you make a request.”

    Maybe the Braves made the final call, but you can bet it was Majestic who indicated they’d have a problem delivering the VAL nameplate in a timely manner.

    Lee

  • Matt Brosseau | May 11, 2009 at 12:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”328829″]
    My belief is that the red cap with the large C has more gang-related implications, almost moreso for those who want pople to THINK that the wearer is affiliated.[/quote]

    Not likely, the Crips are blue and their archrival Bloods are red. A Crip would wear a C, but nothing red. So, ideally, the Crips would want to wear a blue hat with a C. But not the Cubs, because there’s red in there. Maybe the Creighton University cap would work.

    As for the Bloods, they wouldn’t wear the ’75 Red Sox red hat because there’s navy blue in it. So we’re looking for a “B”-logo red hat with no blue…having trouble coming up with one attm.

  • George | May 11, 2009 at 1:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”328805″]That Red Sox world champs patch made me cry a single tear. BUCKNER!!!!!![/quote]

    Speaking strictly as a Mets fan, there are far more culpable people in the 1986 Sawx’s WS collapse than Billy Buck:

    (1) John McNamara for one. He’d been using Dave Stapleton as a defensive replacement for Buckner pretty much the entire stretch run of the season, and he decides to leave Buckner out there so he could be on the field for the final out of the Series? Nice sentimental gesture, but sacrificing defense for sentimentality is never a good idea.

    (2) The entire Sawx team, if only because the Mets pulled off their miracle in Game 6 and they still had Game 7 to play. The Sawx actually jumped out to a quick 3-run lead and battered around Ron Darling. Unfortunately for them, Sid Fernandez shut the door on them and their bullpen lost the game yet again.

    (3) Tom Seaver. Yes, THAT Tom Seaver. Why? Although he wasn’t on the active roster for the WS, he was still in the dugout, and decided to take a dig at Buddy Harrelson (then the Mets third-base coach) by yelling at him “Hey Buddy, I’ll give you a call when we’re done (celebrating)” after the Mets were down to their fnal out in Game 6. Not only did Seaver never get a chance to make that call, Harrelson got his revenge when the Mets won and he saw Seavrer sitting in the dugout. “No Tom, I’LL call YOU”.

    Never tempt fate, kiddies.

  • Stuby | May 11, 2009 at 1:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”328837″][quote comment=”328829″]
    My belief is that the red cap with the large C has more gang-related implications, almost moreso for those who want pople to THINK that the wearer is affiliated.[/quote]

    Not likely, the Crips are blue and their archrival Bloods are red. A Crip would wear a C, but nothing red. So, ideally, the Crips would want to wear a blue hat with a C. But not the Cubs, because there’s red in there. Maybe the Creighton University cap would work.

    As for the Bloods, they wouldn’t wear the ’75 Red Sox red hat because there’s navy blue in it. So we’re looking for a “B”-logo red hat with no blue…having trouble coming up with one attm.[/quote]
    Thankfully, the fine folks at Lids and New Era (and MLB) have given the gang-bangers some options…

    http://lf.hatworld.c...

    http://lf.hatworld.c...

  • chance michaels | May 11, 2009 at 1:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”328836″][quote comment=”328835″][quote comment=\”328823\”][quote comment=\”328818\”]Majestic is the worst uniform manufacturer. … They are the ones who ended the vertically arched names on the Braves jersey because of their laziness.[/quote]

    I thought the Braves made that decision on their own. Or at least that was my impression. Do you have more details to share about that?[/quote]

    I always equated it as Majestic=Lazier Approach but I did find your quote from a Braves spokesperson where the team took the hit. I apologize for blasting Majestic on that point.
    http://sports.espn.g...

    We can still give Majestic at least part of the blame… after all, they could have come back to the Braves and said “hey look, you’re our only VAL team were outfitting, so so we’ll adjust our SLA for you guys to XX hours after you make a request.”

    Maybe the Braves made the final call, but you can bet it was Majestic who indicated they’d have a problem delivering the VAL nameplate in a timely manner.

    Lee[/quote]

    Good point – the Braves dropped their beautiful letters because Majestic couldn’t produce them on demand.

    I’d lay that squarely on Majestic.

  • George | May 11, 2009 at 1:09 pm |

    You know, all these “multiple caps” posts are nice, but the original poster had a specific criteria: Multiple caps using only 2 colors. And in that respect, I think the Phillies are the only team with 4, as he pointed out: all red, all blue, red with blue, blue with red.

    The Mets might be considered for 4 if you take their 2006 spring training caps (blue with black brim), in which case you would have all blue, all black, black with blue brim and blue with black brim.

    Next closest I think are the Marlins (all teal, all black, teal with black brim), Mariners (all navy, navy with teal brim, teal with navy brim), and the Rockies (all black, black with purple brim, all purple).

  • rpm | May 11, 2009 at 1:09 pm |

    bryan~
    they have always been stellar, but those jersey projects appear to be getting tighter and tighter, love seeing the roll outs here.

    paul~
    good luck with getting ready for the opening,and try to enjoy installation/last second prep despite the mad scramble. let us know the feeling you get when the last nail is pounded, and you step back and look at it for the first time. i might be in the minority, but i am curious. well, congrats on everything coming together on a project you were lucky enough to work on with the gal-pal, i wish i was in nyc to see it.

  • Kek | May 11, 2009 at 1:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”328837″][quote comment=”328829″]
    My belief is that the red cap with the large C has more gang-related implications, almost moreso for those who want pople to THINK that the wearer is affiliated.[/quote]

    Not likely, the Crips are blue and their archrival Bloods are red. A Crip would wear a C, but nothing red. So, ideally, the Crips would want to wear a blue hat with a C. But not the Cubs, because there’s red in there. Maybe the Creighton University cap would work.

    As for the Bloods, they wouldn’t wear the ’75 Red Sox red hat because there’s navy blue in it. So we’re looking for a “B”-logo red hat with no blue…having trouble coming up with one attm.[/quote]
    Umm, the bloods and crips aren’t the only gangs out there. Members of the Mexican Mafia have been known to wear Michigan caps.

  • Aaron | May 11, 2009 at 1:11 pm |

    As far as the lacrosse helmets go, there’s actually several teams that use a number on one side, with a team logo on the other side.

    Delaware:
    Logo
    Number

    Hofstra:
    Number and Logo

  • Christopher | May 11, 2009 at 1:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”328841″]You know, all these “multiple caps” posts are nice, but the original poster had a specific criteria: Multiple caps using only 2 colors. And in that respect, I think the Phillies are the only team with 4, as he pointed out: all red, all blue, red with blue, blue with red.

    The Mets might be considered for 4 if you take their 2006 spring training caps (blue with black brim), in which case you would have all blue, all black, black with blue brim and blue with black brim.

    Next closest I think are the Marlins (all teal, all black, teal with black brim), Mariners (all navy, navy with teal brim, teal with navy brim), and the Rockies (all black, black with purple brim, all purple).[/quote]

    RE: The Phillies example. Isn’t white a color?

  • shadoquad | May 11, 2009 at 1:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”328844″]As far as the lacrosse helmets go, there’s actually several teams that use a number on one side, with a team logo on the other side.

    Delaware:
    Logo
    Number

    Hofstra:
    Number and Logo[/quote]

    I believe that Loyola (MD) does this, too.

  • Kek | May 11, 2009 at 1:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”328843″][quote comment=”328837″][quote comment=”328829″]
    My belief is that the red cap with the large C has more gang-related implications, almost moreso for those who want pople to THINK that the wearer is affiliated.[/quote]

    Not likely, the Crips are blue and their archrival Bloods are red. A Crip would wear a C, but nothing red. So, ideally, the Crips would want to wear a blue hat with a C. But not the Cubs, because there’s red in there. Maybe the Creighton University cap would work.

    As for the Bloods, they wouldn’t wear the ’75 Red Sox red hat because there’s navy blue in it. So we’re looking for a “B”-logo red hat with no blue…having trouble coming up with one attm.[/quote]
    Umm, the bloods and crips aren’t the only gangs out there. Members of the Mexican Mafia have been known to wear Michigan caps.[/quote]
    Sorry to quote my own post, but if you go to this document: http://www.pdxwebsit...

    You’ll see that the Four Corners Hustlers wear Reds’ caps. You’ll note from that list, as I previously said, there are a lot more street gangs than just the bloods and crips.

  • George | May 11, 2009 at 1:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”328845″][quote comment=”328841″]You know, all these “multiple caps” posts are nice, but the original poster had a specific criteria: Multiple caps using only 2 colors. And in that respect, I think the Phillies are the only team with 4, as he pointed out: all red, all blue, red with blue, blue with red.

    The Mets might be considered for 4 if you take their 2006 spring training caps (blue with black brim), in which case you would have all blue, all black, black with blue brim and blue with black brim.

    Next closest I think are the Marlins (all teal, all black, teal with black brim), Mariners (all navy, navy with teal brim, teal with navy brim), and the Rockies (all black, black with purple brim, all purple).[/quote]

    RE: The Phillies example. Isn’t white a color?[/quote]

    I got the impression from the original post that he was talking about crown and brim. In which case, you’re only dealing with 2 colors.

  • Aaron | May 11, 2009 at 1:21 pm |

    University of Maryland – Baltimore County also has numbers on helmets, but they go with both sides:

    Right Side
    Both Sides

    We just went to this design scheme at Biola as well:

    Logo
    Number and a little bit of logo

    Its not too uncommon to see this decal set-up in lacrosse these days.

  • dave | May 11, 2009 at 1:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”328848″][quote comment=”328845″][quote comment=”328841″]You know, all these “multiple caps” posts are nice, but the original poster had a specific criteria: Multiple caps using only 2 colors. And in that respect, I think the Phillies are the only team with 4, as he pointed out: all red, all blue, red with blue, blue with red.

    The Mets might be considered for 4 if you take their 2006 spring training caps (blue with black brim), in which case you would have all blue, all black, black with blue brim and blue with black brim.

    Next closest I think are the Marlins (all teal, all black, teal with black brim), Mariners (all navy, navy with teal brim, teal with navy brim), and the Rockies (all black, black with purple brim, all purple).[/quote]

    RE: The Phillies example. Isn’t white a color?[/quote]

    I got the impression from the original post that he was talking about crown and brim. In which case, you’re only dealing with 2 colors.[/quote]

    George, thanks for bringing the discussion back to the original topic. The question seems obvious to me, but too many people have taken it in different directions.
    The criteria are 2 colors (sure, white can be one of the colors), and they are to be used in every combination. So if the colors are A & B, you need A top/A brim, A/B, B/A, and B/B.

  • Aaron | May 11, 2009 at 1:25 pm |

    [quote comment=\”328846\”]I believe that Loyola (MD) does this, too.[/quote]

    They do as well, I forgot they changed in the last couple years:
    Number
    Logo

  • Matt Brosseau | May 11, 2009 at 1:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”328843″]
    Umm, the bloods and crips aren’t the only gangs out there. Members of the Mexican Mafia have been known to wear Michigan caps.[/quote]

    Never said they were. There are also the Latin Kings, who have their own New Era hats.

    Also Mara Salvatrucha (MS-13) who might sport Mississippi State hats, the Vice Lords, who would enjoy the Houston Astros gold star-on-navy caps, and the Gangster Disciples; one of their symbols is a trident and they might wear the original Seattle Mariners cap.

  • Aaron | May 11, 2009 at 1:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”328846″]I believe that Loyola (MD) does this, too.[/quote]

    They do as well, I forgot they changed in the last couple years:
    Number
    Logo

  • Teebz | May 11, 2009 at 1:28 pm |

    Sorry about the Niagara/St. Mike’s mixup everyone.

    Working on an hour of sleep here or so thanks to a serious problem at work last night.

    Good catch, and mea culpa for the mistake. I still thoroughly endorse an AHL game in Toronto, though. The Marlies are a solid team, and they’ll only get better. Besides, it’s mostly Maple Leafs anyway, and you only pay a fraction of what it costs to see them in the ACC. LOL

  • M.Princip | May 11, 2009 at 1:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”328721″]Tom Hanks, Yomiuri Giants fan? http://www.washingto...

    Mos Def was on Bill Maher a few weeks back and sportin’ a Yomiuri Giants hat. They are the shit in Tokyo, I guess sort of like japan’s team. Thus, the most wealthiest and despised team in japan to the baseball underdog diehards.

  • ASM | May 11, 2009 at 1:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”328853″][quote comment=”328843″]
    Umm, the bloods and crips aren’t the only gangs out there. Members of the Mexican Mafia have been known to wear Michigan caps.[/quote]

    Never said they were. There are also the Latin Kings, who have their own New Era hats.

    Also Mara Salvatrucha (MS-13) who might sport Mississippi State hats, the Vice Lords, who would enjoy the Houston Astros gold star-on-navy caps, and the Gangster Disciples; one of their symbols is a trident and they might wear the original Seattle Mariners cap.[/quote]

    Actually the Astros logo is a 5 point start being “blown out” It would be used as disrespect towards Vice Lords and the like.
    Also the mariners trident logo is usually a upside down triden to or pitchfork. Which would be a sign of disrespect towards GD’s and the like.

  • Joe Hilseberg | May 11, 2009 at 1:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”328840″][quote comment=”328836″][quote comment=”328835″][quote comment=\”328823\”][quote comment=\”328818\”]Majestic is the worst uniform manufacturer. … They are the ones who ended the vertically arched names on the Braves jersey because of their laziness.[/quote]

    I thought the Braves made that decision on their own. Or at least that was my impression. Do you have more details to share about that?[/quote]

    I always equated it as Majestic=Lazier Approach but I did find your quote from a Braves spokesperson where the team took the hit. I apologize for blasting Majestic on that point.
    http://sports.espn.g...

    We can still give Majestic at least part of the blame… after all, they could have come back to the Braves and said “hey look, you’re our only VAL team were outfitting, so so we’ll adjust our SLA for you guys to XX hours after you make a request.”

    Maybe the Braves made the final call, but you can bet it was Majestic who indicated they’d have a problem delivering the VAL nameplate in a timely manner.

    Lee[/quote]

    Good point – the Braves dropped their beautiful letters because Majestic couldn’t produce them on demand.

    I’d lay that squarely on Majestic.[/quote]

    Not so.

    When a player is called up it is not on Majestic to produce the jersey. It’s done in house or at a local vendor. You can’t “stock” vertical arch letters because each name is a custom creation, so it lies on the team, not majestic. For home games the team should have a vendor in place that can accomplish this in a timely fashion, but on the road you can’t count on it…making the radial method the easiest to reproduce in any situation.

    Doesn’t look the best, but it’s reproducible.

  • Lee | May 11, 2009 at 1:45 pm |

    Philadelphia (MLS) Brand Narrative
    http://1.bp.blogspot...

    Lee

  • JRJR | May 11, 2009 at 1:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”328845″][quote comment=”328841″]You know, all these “multiple caps” posts are nice, but the original poster had a specific criteria: Multiple caps using only 2 colors. And in that respect, I think the Phillies are the only team with 4, as he pointed out: all red, all blue, red with blue, blue with red.

    The Mets might be considered for 4 if you take their 2006 spring training caps (blue with black brim), in which case you would have all blue, all black, black with blue brim and blue with black brim.

    Next closest I think are the Marlins (all teal, all black, teal with black brim), Mariners (all navy, navy with teal brim, teal with navy brim), and the Rockies (all black, black with purple brim, all purple).[/quote]

    RE: The Phillies example. Isn’t white a color?[/quote]

    It’s all colors.

    http://www.peace-fil...

  • tommy | May 11, 2009 at 1:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”328731″][quote comment=”328725″]Villone was called up to the Nationals when they were in LA playing the Dodgers on May 7th, so I doubt Majestic stitched the numbers on that jersey.

    Most likely it was a clubbie on the Nats.[/quote]

    Your facts are really pissing on my story parade, man…..[/quote]

    Yeah, just to add ( and not piss on the parade) I was going to mention that the way those numbers are coming off, it looks like they never were actually sewn on- those “seams” or “stitching” you can see is probably glue. When stuff is poorly heat pressed to a jersey, it can easily fall off, or be removed. When that happens, it can sometimes leave glue residue behind on the shirt- especially with pro jerseys/numbers, as they use a heavier glue on that stuff.

  • Matt Brosseau | May 11, 2009 at 1:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”328858″]
    Actually the Astros logo is a 5 point start being “blown out” It would be used as disrespect towards Vice Lords and the like.
    Also the mariners trident logo is usually a upside down triden to or pitchfork. Which would be a sign of disrespect towards GD’s and the like.[/quote]

    That’s the most interesting thing I’ve learned all year. So what you’re saying is, my future career outfitting gang members is likely to be very short and violent?

  • TommyD | May 11, 2009 at 1:51 pm |

    The Washington baseball club makes their predecessors, the Montreal Expos, look like a model franchise.

  • Ry Co 40 | May 11, 2009 at 1:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”328853″][quote comment=”328843″]
    Umm, the bloods and crips aren’t the only gangs out there. Members of the Mexican Mafia have been known to wear Michigan caps.[/quote]

    Never said they were. There are also the Latin Kings, who have their own New Era hats.

    Also Mara Salvatrucha (MS-13) who might sport Mississippi State hats, the Vice Lords, who would enjoy the Houston Astros gold star-on-navy caps, and the Gangster Disciples; one of their symbols is a trident and they might wear the original Seattle Mariners cap.[/quote]

    “Never said they were. There are also the Latin Kings who have their own New Era hats.”

    when not wearing pirates hats.

  • chance michaels | May 11, 2009 at 1:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”328859″][quote comment=”328840″][quote comment=”328836″][quote comment=”328835″][quote comment=\”328823\”][quote comment=\”328818\”]Majestic is the worst uniform manufacturer. … They are the ones who ended the vertically arched names on the Braves jersey because of their laziness.[/quote]

    I thought the Braves made that decision on their own. Or at least that was my impression. Do you have more details to share about that?[/quote]

    I always equated it as Majestic=Lazier Approach but I did find your quote from a Braves spokesperson where the team took the hit. I apologize for blasting Majestic on that point.
    http://sports.espn.g...

    We can still give Majestic at least part of the blame… after all, they could have come back to the Braves and said “hey look, you’re our only VAL team were outfitting, so so we’ll adjust our SLA for you guys to XX hours after you make a request.”

    Maybe the Braves made the final call, but you can bet it was Majestic who indicated they’d have a problem delivering the VAL nameplate in a timely manner.

    Lee[/quote]

    Good point – the Braves dropped their beautiful letters because Majestic couldn’t produce them on demand.

    I’d lay that squarely on Majestic.[/quote]

    Not so.

    When a player is called up it is not on Majestic to produce the jersey. It’s done in house or at a local vendor. You can’t “stock” vertical arch letters because each name is a custom creation, so it lies on the team, not majestic. For home games the team should have a vendor in place that can accomplish this in a timely fashion, but on the road you can’t count on it…making the radial method the easiest to reproduce in any situation.

    Doesn’t look the best, but it’s reproducible.[/quote]
    That doesn’t match what the Braves said:

    “Prior to the 2006 season, the Braves used a specific lettering cut that was only available through special order from Majestic [the team’s uni supplier]. So if we called up a player from the minors, we had to use a more basic cut that didn’t match the other players’ lettering until Majestic was able to provide us with the special lettering. In order to avoid having the names looking inconsistent, the Braves decided to go with the more basic cut.”

    So if they were only available through special order from Majestic, why couldn’t Majestic expedite orders for such a high-profile client?

  • EddieAtari | May 11, 2009 at 1:55 pm |

    Harvard is the only college or pro football team I know of that wears a crest/logo up on the shoulders with a TV number below on the sleeves, almost like a hockey jersey. Does anyone know of other teams that do that?

  • Michael Emody | May 11, 2009 at 1:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”328769″][quote comment=”328763″][quote comment=”328758″][quote comment=”328724″]those new pics of ron hansen & tommy mccraw…(steves bb pages)…are those from 1969/70? and were the caps/helmets darker for each of the two seasons or was that just due to the lighting (or lens, or filter, or time)…

    and ricko, were those unis powder blue?

    EDIT: wasn’t clear in the above… i meant were the 1970’s a darker blue from the 1969’s (or vice versa)…or were they the same colors, only appearing different in those photos…OR…were those pics both from the same season?[/quote]

    Yes, they’re powder blue. Those photos both are pre-1969. Lettering and numbers are navy (in ’69 and ’70 were white edged in contrasting blue), and the hat logo is old square-block lettering that goes back to early ’50s. The hat logo with the stylized “S” and “calligraphy” letters appeared in ’69 and stayed through the red-hat, red-shoes years.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    gracias, kind sir

    (thought they were pre 69-70, but they sure look gray in those photos…i guess then, we can safely assume, any photo of a ‘powder blue’ uni that isn’t a poly double can show up as gray, since it was such a light [and beautiful] blue to begin with?)

    /now i can see why your EYES are far more valuable than even photographic evidence…or okkonen
    //now if we can just find a color pic of the brown blue pony[/quote]

    My father was an excellent retoucher of black and white photos…for newspapers ads a such (make that blender look shinny and special, etc.). He had numerous numbered tubes of gouche (like water color) in varying shades of gray, from almost white to almost black. There were two distinct spectrums available: Warm gray and cool gray. Warm gray is, for lack of a better description, black and white with just a hint of green/yellow). Cool gray adds a bit of blue to the black and white.

    The point? There were road flannels from both hues. I have a Minneapolis Millers jersey from Ebbets Field Flannels that is more in the warm gray family. I also have some old gray flannel pants that are cool gray. From attending games at the time…even going back to the pre-Twins Millers, one team’s grays didn’t always match another’s.

    And that’s probably the issue with those White Sox unis.

    Their powder blues were just cool gray with even more blue added. So they can be very hard to “read” in photos…as to whether they were gray or powder blue. I suspect a number of other teams have the same issue.

    But some teams who warm gray such as the Giants, almost never seem to look blue in their flannels.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Today’s photos at Steve’s Thatsmyboy show an interesting set of road flannels from the mid 60’s. The White Sox jerseys are certainly powder blue – the first team to whip out light blue road uni’s since the Cubs in the 40’s. I’m beginning to believe a close – and I mean “microscopic” inspection of the flannel will reveal a blend of blue and grey threads – more blue in this case – buy enough grey to create the blue/grey tone that plays tricks with our eyes and cameras. Check out the
    Reds road flannel
    to the right of the two Sox players. Those last few years before the polyester change seem to have a bluish tint. They ARE grey, but I bet there’s some blue threads woven in for… who knows, a richer tone under the lights. This is what helps mess with our minds when viewing photos of the 69-70 Sox grey roadsters: the slightest of a blue tint that comes and goes depending on light conditions. Get a microscope and I bet the 69-70 Sox and the Reds road pictured today with reveal a small percentage of blue threads in the weave. Likewise, those mid-60’s Sox powder blues probably have some grey threads in order to create a “blue/grey” flannel.

    Moving down today’s entry to the A’s road grey. I’ve seen it described as a greenish-grey tint. That green is hiding in the weave – make them appear a light green or grey in certain light. If they wore those grey vests with gold sleeves – they would definitely come off looking light greenish/grey. There’s no photographic evidence of the A’s wearing that combo, but I swear I saw them at Comiskey decked out like hat for a “one-of…”
    I’m beginning to believe the forensic evidence lies in the microscopic threads.

  • Kek | May 11, 2009 at 1:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”328853″][quote comment=”328843″]
    Umm, the bloods and crips aren’t the only gangs out there. Members of the Mexican Mafia have been known to wear Michigan caps.[/quote]

    Never said they were. There are also the Latin Kings, who have their own New Era hats.

    Also Mara Salvatrucha (MS-13) who might sport Mississippi State hats, the Vice Lords, who would enjoy the Houston Astros gold star-on-navy caps, and the Gangster Disciples; one of their symbols is a trident and they might wear the original Seattle Mariners cap.[/quote]
    Maybe you never said it, but your post takes that tone. Powers’ original post stated his opinion that the Reds’ hat was possibly popular because of gang affiliations.

    You said:

    Not likely, the Crips are blue and their archrival Bloods are red. A Crip would wear a C, but nothing red. So, ideally, the Crips would want to wear a blue hat with a C. But not the Cubs, because there’s red in there. Maybe the Creighton University cap would work.

    As for the Bloods, they wouldn’t wear the ‘75 Red Sox red hat because there’s navy blue in it. So we’re looking for a “B”-logo red hat with no blue…having trouble coming up with one attm.

    Go back and read Powers’ original post, nowhere does he say “bloods” or “crips” yet your response dismisses his opinion by ONLY referring to those two gangs.

    Not trying to belabor the point, it’s just I have a good friend who does some work with police agencies as a gang educator and when he talks to smaller municpal police departments, one of their biggest obstacles in talking gangs is that they think everything is bloods/crips, red/blue and they’ve got Latin Kings and other gangs coming into their areas right under their noses.

  • Gary-O | May 11, 2009 at 1:59 pm |

    UWers:

    On Steve’s Photography Page (as linked above, sorry, not link-savvy) about halfway through under the 7-26-08 heading there’s an unidentified Oriole. There’s no listing of #29 in baseball-almanac’s roster page or oriolesnumbers.com. Who is this? He looks maddingly familiar.

    Thanks.

  • Ry Co 40 | May 11, 2009 at 1:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”328860″]Philadelphia (MLS) Brand Narrative
    http://1.bp.blogspot...

    Lee[/quote]

    so how long before people start getting all sensitive and pissy about the term “join or die”???

  • Daniel | May 11, 2009 at 2:07 pm |

    Speaking of shrimpy Niners and the need to narrow the pant stripe, here’s a Sacramento Bee story on the new uniforms and a blog-post follow-up by the reporter:

    The players may look fine in pads, but I don’t understand why the jerseys they’re selling to fans need the truncated, whiff of Bengals, stripes. Never been a jersey owner myself but the old style is still available; essentially the same as the new, but with three complete stripes, a regular V neck and no “49ers” . . . and ever since the draft have been taken with the idea of getting one with COFFEE on the back; seems right for Sunday mornings.

  • Daniel | May 11, 2009 at 2:08 pm |
  • Ricko | May 11, 2009 at 2:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”328868″][quote comment=”328769″][quote comment=”328763″][quote comment=”328758″][quote comment=”328724″]those new pics of ron hansen & tommy mccraw…(steves bb pages)…are those from 1969/70? and were the caps/helmets darker for each of the two seasons or was that just due to the lighting (or lens, or filter, or time)…

    and ricko, were those unis powder blue?

    EDIT: wasn’t clear in the above… i meant were the 1970’s a darker blue from the 1969’s (or vice versa)…or were they the same colors, only appearing different in those photos…OR…were those pics both from the same season?[/quote]

    Yes, they’re powder blue. Those photos both are pre-1969. Lettering and numbers are navy (in ’69 and ’70 were white edged in contrasting blue), and the hat logo is old square-block lettering that goes back to early ’50s. The hat logo with the stylized “S” and “calligraphy” letters appeared in ’69 and stayed through the red-hat, red-shoes years.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    gracias, kind sir

    (thought they were pre 69-70, but they sure look gray in those photos…i guess then, we can safely assume, any photo of a ‘powder blue’ uni that isn’t a poly double can show up as gray, since it was such a light [and beautiful] blue to begin with?)

    /now i can see why your EYES are far more valuable than even photographic evidence…or okkonen
    //now if we can just find a color pic of the brown blue pony[/quote]

    My father was an excellent retoucher of black and white photos…for newspapers ads a such (make that blender look shinny and special, etc.). He had numerous numbered tubes of gouche (like water color) in varying shades of gray, from almost white to almost black. There were two distinct spectrums available: Warm gray and cool gray. Warm gray is, for lack of a better description, black and white with just a hint of green/yellow). Cool gray adds a bit of blue to the black and white.

    The point? There were road flannels from both hues. I have a Minneapolis Millers jersey from Ebbets Field Flannels that is more in the warm gray family. I also have some old gray flannel pants that are cool gray. From attending games at the time…even going back to the pre-Twins Millers, one team’s grays didn’t always match another’s.

    And that’s probably the issue with those White Sox unis.

    Their powder blues were just cool gray with even more blue added. So they can be very hard to “read” in photos…as to whether they were gray or powder blue. I suspect a number of other teams have the same issue.

    But some teams who warm gray such as the Giants, almost never seem to look blue in their flannels.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Today’s photos at Steve’s Thatsmyboy show an interesting set of road flannels from the mid 60’s. The White Sox jerseys are certainly powder blue – the first team to whip out light blue road uni’s since the Cubs in the 40’s. I’m beginning to believe a close – and I mean “microscopic” inspection of the flannel will reveal a blend of blue and grey threads – more blue in this case – buy enough grey to create the blue/grey tone that plays tricks with our eyes and cameras. Check out the
    Reds road flannel
    to the right of the two Sox players. Those last few years before the polyester change seem to have a bluish tint. They ARE grey, but I bet there’s some blue threads woven in for… who knows, a richer tone under the lights. This is what helps mess with our minds when viewing photos of the 69-70 Sox grey roadsters: the slightest of a blue tint that comes and goes depending on light conditions. Get a microscope and I bet the 69-70 Sox and the Reds road pictured today with reveal a small percentage of blue threads in the weave. Likewise, those mid-60’s Sox powder blues probably have some grey threads in order to create a “blue/grey” flannel.

    Moving down today’s entry to the A’s road grey. I’ve seen it described as a greenish-grey tint. That green is hiding in the weave – make them appear a light green or grey in certain light. If they wore those grey vests with gold sleeves – they would definitely come off looking light greenish/grey. There’s no photographic evidence of the A’s wearing that combo, but I swear I saw them at Comiskey decked out like hat for a “one-of…”
    I’m beginning to believe the forensic evidence lies in the microscopic threads.[/quote]

    Michael…

    I suppose that’s what I’ve been trying to get at all along. The differences, while quite subtle sometimes, were easily noticeable in person.

    Those A’s gray-greens did have a greenish cast to them, deliberately. They were called “Sea Foam Green,” I’m sure you know, along with sets in “Fort Knox Gold” and either “Wedding Gown White” or “Bridal Veil White” (never can remember which it was on the white; think maybe “wedding gown”). The wore the golds both at home and on the road.

    —Ricko

  • LI Phil | May 11, 2009 at 2:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”328870″]UWers:

    On Steve’s Photography Page (as linked above, sorry, not link-savvy) about halfway through under the 7-26-08 heading there’s an unidentified Oriole. There’s no listing of #29 in baseball-almanac’s roster page or oriolesnumbers.com. Who is this? He looks maddingly familiar.

    Thanks.[/quote]

    here’s the pic

    i wanna say paul blair, but he wore #6

    ricko would know…(and im sure a bunch of you guys will as well)

  • Mark in Shiga | May 11, 2009 at 2:14 pm |

    Dan #42 — so the ballboys and ballgirls wear their own jerseys from their own favorite Brewer playes? That’s a fun approach and much more interesting that having them in blank-backed jerseys, or with an ugly “BAT BOY” on the back.

    Majestic deplorers — One more of their sins (which I can’t seem to get fellow Uni Watchers interested in) is that they’ve moved the numbers (on NNOB jerseys in particular) very far down the backs of the jerseys compared to other manufacturers, and on non-behemoth players, it looks a tiny bit awkward, as if there’s just an inch or two of excess white space above the number. The MLB collar logo is also contributing to this non-centeredness.

    Is Majestic also behind the ugly-looking replica jerseys that all have one-color, same-font numbers on the backs, and NOBs even if the real jerseys don’t? Or is that MLB’s doing? Whoever it is, with the possible exception of the Dodgers (who actually have one-color numbers and NOBs) the jerseys are just plain ugly.

  • Geeman | May 11, 2009 at 2:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”328848″][quote comment=”328845″][quote comment=”328841″]You know, all these “multiple caps” posts are nice, but the original poster had a specific criteria: Multiple caps using only 2 colors. And in that respect, I think the Phillies are the only team with 4, as he pointed out: all red, all blue, red with blue, blue with red.

    The Mets might be considered for 4 if you take their 2006 spring training caps (blue with black brim), in which case you would have all blue, all black, black with blue brim and blue with black brim.

    Next closest I think are the Marlins (all teal, all black, teal with black brim), Mariners (all navy, navy with teal brim, teal with navy brim), and the Rockies (all black, black with purple brim, all purple).[/quote]

    RE: The Phillies example. Isn’t white a color?[/quote]

    I got the impression from the original post that he was talking about crown and brim. In which case, you’re only dealing with 2 colors.[/quote]

    Remember also the Reds (all-red, red with black, black with red, and, if the catchers’ helmet was legit, all-black).

  • =bg= | May 11, 2009 at 2:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”328840″][quote comment=”328836″][quote comment=”328835″][quote comment=\”328823\”][quote comment=\”328818\”]Majestic is the worst uniform manufacturer. … They are the ones who ended the vertically arched names on the Braves jersey because of their laziness.[/quote]

    I thought the Braves made that decision on their own. Or at least that was my impression. Do you have more details to share about that?[/quote]

    I always equated it as Majestic=Lazier Approach but I did find your quote from a Braves spokesperson where the team took the hit. I apologize for blasting Majestic on that point.
    http://sports.espn.g...

    We can still give Majestic at least part of the blame… after all, they could have come back to the Braves and said “hey look, you’re our only VAL team were outfitting, so so we’ll adjust our SLA for you guys to XX hours after you make a request.”

    Maybe the Braves made the final call, but you can bet it was Majestic who indicated they’d have a problem delivering the VAL nameplate in a timely manner.

    Lee[/quote]

    Good point – the Braves dropped their beautiful letters because Majestic couldn’t produce them on demand.

    I’d lay that squarely on Majestic.[/quote]

    From the Bad Timing Dept:
    Isn’t Majestic’s MLB deal going to lapse soon?

  • =bg= | May 11, 2009 at 2:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”328770″]4 mets caps[/quote]

    And if they do an all-orange one, what will PL do?

  • Geeman | May 11, 2009 at 2:23 pm |

    UNC reverses its hats and helmets:

    http://assets.espn.g...

    http://www.oddsandne...

    Now, if they had an all-light blue and all-dark blue version, they would met the four hats/two colors category of the Phils and Reds.

  • MPowers1634 | May 11, 2009 at 2:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”328869″][quote comment=”328853″][quote comment=”328843″]
    Umm, the bloods and crips aren’t the only gangs out there. Members of the Mexican Mafia have been known to wear Michigan caps.[/quote]

    Never said they were. There are also the Latin Kings, who have their own New Era hats.

    Also Mara Salvatrucha (MS-13) who might sport Mississippi State hats, the Vice Lords, who would enjoy the Houston Astros gold star-on-navy caps, and the Gangster Disciples; one of their symbols is a trident and they might wear the original Seattle Mariners cap.[/quote]
    Maybe you never said it, but your post takes that tone. Powers’ original post stated his opinion that the Reds’ hat was possibly popular because of gang affiliations.

    You said:

    Not likely, the Crips are blue and their archrival Bloods are red. A Crip would wear a C, but nothing red. So, ideally, the Crips would want to wear a blue hat with a C. But not the Cubs, because there’s red in there. Maybe the Creighton University cap would work.

    As for the Bloods, they wouldn’t wear the ‘75 Red Sox red hat because there’s navy blue in it. So we’re looking for a “B”-logo red hat with no blue…having trouble coming up with one attm.

    Go back and read Powers’ original post, nowhere does he say “bloods” or “crips” yet your response dismisses his opinion by ONLY referring to those two gangs.

    Not trying to belabor the point, it’s just I have a good friend who does some work with police agencies as a gang educator and when he talks to smaller municpal police departments, one of their biggest obstacles in talking gangs is that they think everything is bloods/crips, red/blue and they’ve got Latin Kings and other gangs coming into their areas right under their noses.[/quote]

    I grew up in an area where kids would “aspire” to be part of a particular group, gang or not.

    Thye phenomenon would have been similar to a little leaguer dreaming of playing for his small town’s Varsity team in High school.

    Bandannas, jerseys, caps, doodling, even dancing and hand signals would and should have been construed as affiliated behavior.

    Those kids were most at risk for being harmed, because their copycat behaviors could have been mistaken for rival gang communicating.

    What was most interesting was and is the definition of gang. It doesn’t always have to be drug runners or thieves. A group of kids from the same neighborhood could be considered a “gang”, however thier actions speak much louder.

    For a sports fan such as myself, who wears a myriad of 5950’s, the last thing on my mind is who I’m disrespecting when I put on my Cardinals cap.

  • Joe Hilseberg | May 11, 2009 at 2:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”328866″]
    That doesn’t match what the Braves said:

    “Prior to the 2006 season, the Braves used a specific lettering cut that was only available through special order from Majestic [the team’s uni supplier]. So if we called up a player from the minors, we had to use a more basic cut that didn’t match the other players’ lettering until Majestic was able to provide us with the special lettering. In order to avoid having the names looking inconsistent, the Braves decided to go with the more basic cut.”

    So if they were only available through special order from Majestic, why couldn’t Majestic expedite orders for such a high-profile client?[/quote]

    Same thing I was saying…the jerseys are still lettered in house – regardless of where they get the letters.

    The point I was making is that teams can stock the basic letters from majestic…not the VAL’s. Often times we found out literally hours before a game that a new player was coming…there is no room for overnighting custom letters from Majestic, so it’s really not their fault.

    Where the Braves are going wrong it looks like is that they don’t have a local vendor that can do it, and their equipment manager can’t do it either. Give me a Mac, printer, tackle twill and a pair of scissors and I can knock out a VA name in 20 mins!

  • Mark in Shiga | May 11, 2009 at 2:36 pm |

    Wasn’t there a Phillies clubhouse manager who could put together perfect verticlaly-arched NOBs freehand in the ’80s?

    I think I read about him in the Henderson compilation CD. Those jerseys (powder blues too) sure looked great.

  • Ricko | May 11, 2009 at 2:37 pm |

    For all you young snipperwhappers who don’t know from whence commeth Seaver’s nickname, here it is…
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...|66%3A2|65%3A12

    Tom Terrific and his wonder dog, the Mighty Manfred

  • Jeff P | May 11, 2009 at 2:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”328837″][quote comment=”328829″]
    My belief is that the red cap with the large C has more gang-related implications, almost moreso for those who want pople to THINK that the wearer is affiliated.[/quote]

    Not likely, the Crips are blue and their archrival Bloods are red. A Crip would wear a C, but nothing red. So, ideally, the Crips would want to wear a blue hat with a C. But not the Cubs, because there’s red in there. Maybe the Creighton University cap would work.

    As for the Bloods, they wouldn’t wear the ’75 Red Sox red hat because there’s navy blue in it. So we’re looking for a “B”-logo red hat with no blue…having trouble coming up with one attm.[/quote]
    I don’t know if you’re aware, but there are a LOT more gangs then Crips and Blood these days. Ever hear of MS-13? They wear normal Dodgers hats. If you see a big LA logo spray painted somewhere in the city, it’s not to support the team.

    It’s not a strech at all to think some gang could be using Reds caps.

  • Ry Co 40 | May 11, 2009 at 2:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”328881″][quote comment=”328869″][quote comment=”328853″][quote comment=”328843″]
    Umm, the bloods and crips aren’t the only gangs out there. Members of the Mexican Mafia have been known to wear Michigan caps.[/quote]

    Never said they were. There are also the Latin Kings, who have their own New Era hats.

    Also Mara Salvatrucha (MS-13) who might sport Mississippi State hats, the Vice Lords, who would enjoy the Houston Astros gold star-on-navy caps, and the Gangster Disciples; one of their symbols is a trident and they might wear the original Seattle Mariners cap.[/quote]
    Maybe you never said it, but your post takes that tone. Powers’ original post stated his opinion that the Reds’ hat was possibly popular because of gang affiliations.

    You said:

    Not likely, the Crips are blue and their archrival Bloods are red. A Crip would wear a C, but nothing red. So, ideally, the Crips would want to wear a blue hat with a C. But not the Cubs, because there’s red in there. Maybe the Creighton University cap would work.

    As for the Bloods, they wouldn’t wear the ‘75 Red Sox red hat because there’s navy blue in it. So we’re looking for a “B”-logo red hat with no blue…having trouble coming up with one attm.

    Go back and read Powers’ original post, nowhere does he say “bloods” or “crips” yet your response dismisses his opinion by ONLY referring to those two gangs.

    Not trying to belabor the point, it’s just I have a good friend who does some work with police agencies as a gang educator and when he talks to smaller municpal police departments, one of their biggest obstacles in talking gangs is that they think everything is bloods/crips, red/blue and they’ve got Latin Kings and other gangs coming into their areas right under their noses.[/quote]

    I grew up in an area where kids would “aspire” to be part of a particular group, gang or not.

    Thye phenomenon would have been similar to a little leaguer dreaming of playing for his small town’s Varsity team in High school.

    Bandannas, jerseys, caps, doodling, even dancing and hand signals would and should have been construed as affiliated behavior.

    Those kids were most at risk for being harmed, because their copycat behaviors could have been mistaken for rival gang communicating.

    What was most interesting was and is the definition of gang. It doesn’t always have to be drug runners or thieves. A group of kids from the same neighborhood could be considered a “gang”, however thier actions speak much louder.

    For a sports fan such as myself, who wears a myriad of 5950’s, the last thing on my mind is who I’m disrespecting when I put on my Cardinals cap.[/quote]

    “the last thing on my mind is who I’m disrespecting when I put on my Cardinals cap”

    probably these guys, i’m sure:
    http://baseballevolu...

    haha! sorry buddy…

  • Bernard | May 11, 2009 at 2:48 pm |

    Anybody watch “Gangland” on the History Channel? Fascinating show. Anyway, I just watched an episode about Portland’s Hoover Criminals. Their color is orange, and they apparently favor these:

    http://www.lids.com/...

  • LI Phil | May 11, 2009 at 2:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”328875″][quote comment=”328870″]UWers:

    On Steve’s Photography Page (as linked above, sorry, not link-savvy) about halfway through under the 7-26-08 heading there’s an unidentified Oriole. There’s no listing of #29 in baseball-almanac’s roster page or oriolesnumbers.com. Who is this? He looks maddingly familiar.

    Thanks.[/quote]

    here’s the pic

    i wanna say paul blair, but he wore #6

    ricko would know…(and im sure a bunch of you guys will as well)[/quote]

    shit…ya know who i think that is…

    ken singleton

    thing is…he wasn’t ON the o’s in ’72…

  • Richard | May 11, 2009 at 2:56 pm |

    Those niner-colored shrimp are technically known as “Pacific Cleaner Shrimp” and they are available at some pet stores. They are very good for cleaning salt-water aquariums…What’s missing from the shrimp however is the current SF helmet logo.

  • anotherguy | May 11, 2009 at 2:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”328858″]Also the mariners trident logo is usually a upside down triden to or pitchfork. Which would be a sign of disrespect towards GD’s and the like.[/quote]
    Throw down the crown.

    Also, just in response to the general talk of gangs and colors today: apparently one of the latest ideas is to get far away from distinctive colors; just wear a white t-shirt and blue jeans. That way everyone knows you’re someone, but the cops can’t pick you out just cruising by in their car.

  • Terry Corby | May 11, 2009 at 3:06 pm |

    It all makes sense now. Ive been a “uni-freak” my entire life. Now I find out that this website was “born” on my birthday, May 17? Yep, its all very clear all of a sudden…

  • Joe Hilseberg | May 11, 2009 at 3:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”328888″][quote comment=”328875″][quote comment=”328870″]UWers:

    On Steve’s Photography Page (as linked above, sorry, not link-savvy) about halfway through under the 7-26-08 heading there’s an unidentified Oriole. There’s no listing of #29 in baseball-almanac’s roster page or oriolesnumbers.com. Who is this? He looks maddingly familiar.

    Thanks.[/quote]

    here’s the pic

    i wanna say paul blair, but he wore #6

    ricko would know…(and im sure a bunch of you guys will as well)[/quote]

    shit…ya know who that is…

    ken singleton

    thing is…he wasn’t ON the o’s in ’72…[/quote]

    If it was taken at the 72 All Star game, chances are it’s one of the O’s coaches…Weaver was the AL manager that year, so it makes sense that he may have brought some guys with him. I’m looking into it more.

  • Steve Patterson | May 11, 2009 at 3:10 pm |

    The Broncos 2 D logos has always bothered me – the pre-92 set had the part between the feet that didn’t follow the pattern of the D. it drove me NUTS!

  • Big Al | May 11, 2009 at 3:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”328838″]Tom Seaver. Yes, THAT Tom Seaver. Why? Although he wasn’t on the active roster for the WS, he was still in the dugout, and decided to take a dig at Buddy Harrelson (then the Mets third-base coach) by yelling at him “Hey Buddy, I’ll give you a call when we’re done (celebrating)” after the Mets were down to their fnal out in Game 6. Not only did Seaver never get a chance to make that call, Harrelson got his revenge when the Mets won and he saw Seavrer sitting in the dugout. “No Tom, I’LL call YOU”.[/quote]
    Never heard that nugget before. Thank you, George. Nice pull.

  • Mark in Shiga | May 11, 2009 at 3:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”328891″]It all makes sense now. Ive been a “uni-freak” my entire life. Now I find out that this website was “born” on my birthday, May 17? Yep, its all very clear all of a sudden…[/quote]

    You share a birthday with Carlos May, the only player to wear his birthday on the back of his jersey!

  • anotherguy | May 11, 2009 at 3:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”328895″]You share a birthday with Carlos May, the only player to wear his birthday on the back of his jersey![/quote]
    This post gets two thumbs up!!

    (What, too soon? Sorry.)

  • Big Al | May 11, 2009 at 3:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”328888″][quote comment=”328875″][quote comment=”328870″]UWers:

    On Steve’s Photography Page (as linked above, sorry, not link-savvy) about halfway through under the 7-26-08 heading there’s an unidentified Oriole. There’s no listing of #29 in baseball-almanac’s roster page or oriolesnumbers.com. Who is this? He looks maddingly familiar.

    Thanks.[/quote]

    here’s the pic

    i wanna say paul blair, but he wore #6

    ricko would know…(and im sure a bunch of you guys will as well)[/quote]

    shit…ya know who i think that is…

    ken singleton

    thing is…he wasn’t ON the o’s in ’72…[/quote]
    I respectfully disagree, Phil. Look at the card from 1985, Singleton doesn’t look nearly as old as the guy in the picture does in 1972.

    That said, I don’t have a guess of my own to throw out there.

  • Stuby | May 11, 2009 at 3:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”328888″][quote comment=”328875″][quote comment=”328870″]UWers:

    On Steve’s Photography Page (as linked above, sorry, not link-savvy) about halfway through under the 7-26-08 heading there’s an unidentified Oriole. There’s no listing of #29 in baseball-almanac’s roster page or oriolesnumbers.com. Who is this? He looks maddingly familiar.

    Thanks.[/quote]

    here’s the pic

    i wanna say paul blair, but he wore #6

    ricko would know…(and im sure a bunch of you guys will as well)[/quote]

    shit…ya know who i think that is…

    ken singleton

    thing is…he wasn’t ON the o’s in ’72…[/quote]
    Elrod Hendricks?
    https://www.beckett....

    I can’t find evidence that he wore #29, just #10 but it kinda looks like him.

  • Joe Hilseberg | May 11, 2009 at 3:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”328892″][quote comment=”328888″][quote comment=”328875″][quote comment=”328870″]UWers:

    On Steve’s Photography Page (as linked above, sorry, not link-savvy) about halfway through under the 7-26-08 heading there’s an unidentified Oriole. There’s no listing of #29 in baseball-almanac’s roster page or oriolesnumbers.com. Who is this? He looks maddingly familiar.

    Thanks.[/quote]

    here’s the pic

    i wanna say paul blair, but he wore #6

    ricko would know…(and im sure a bunch of you guys will as well)[/quote]

    shit…ya know who that is…

    ken singleton

    thing is…he wasn’t ON the o’s in ’72…[/quote]

    If it was taken at the 72 All Star game, chances are it’s one of the O’s coaches…Weaver was the AL manager that year, so it makes sense that he may have brought some guys with him. I’m looking into it more.[/quote]

    1st African American to hit a home run for the Orioles – Joe Durham (54-59).

    http://www.nlbpa.com...

    Solved…he used to throw BP for the O’s in the early 70’s.

    29 wasn’t his playing number, though.

  • JL | May 11, 2009 at 3:43 pm |

    Currently the Reds only wear red hats at home games, and for away games they wear red hats with black bills. However, the Reds only wear a Red batting helmet worn home and away.

    The black hat with red bill is no longer worn on the field since the uniforms were changed two seasons ago, but it is still sold with the authentic on-field merchandise at the stadium. (This is the hat I own and wear; personally I find the red hats extremely bright and flashy when worn anywhere off the field.)

    The Reds have never worn an all-black hat or batting helmet. As mentioned, the first year MLB teams wore spring training and batting practice hats made of mesh-like material, the Reds’ BP hat was all black, but this was never during regular season games.

    Former Reds catcher Jason LaRue used to wear a solid-black catchers helmet when he wore the helmet-mask combo (I recall him going back and forth to the goalie-style mask a lot too). I just interpretted it as him seeing no reason to paint the bill portion of the helmet.

    As for a possible rise in the number of Reds hats being seen in pop-culture, I often wonder if this has to do with rapper The Game who uses the C to represent Compton and red as the color of his affiliation (see The History Channel’s “Gangland” as mentioned above).

    “Hats are for heads, caps are for bottles!”

  • Big Al | May 11, 2009 at 3:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”328874″]Those A’s gray-greens did have a greenish cast to them, deliberately. They were called “Sea Foam Green,” I’m sure you know, along with sets in “Fort Knox Gold” and either “Wedding Gown White” or “Bridal Veil White” (never can remember which it was on the white; think maybe “wedding gown”).[/quote]
    http://vault.sportsi...

    (Apologies if this link was posted before and I missed it…)

  • Geen | May 11, 2009 at 3:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”328814″][quote comment=”328809″]How about the Reds?

    Red cap with white C:
    http://www.checkoutm...

    Black hat with red bill:
    http://reds.enquirer...

    Red hat with black bill:
    http://www4.pictures...

    Red hat with white/black C:
    http://www3.pictures...

    Cincy also had the white hat with red pinstripes and red bill:
    http://product.image...

    I forgot about that one. That’s 5 hats between 1998 and 2007.[/quote]

    In the minors, the New Jersey Cardinals (short-season single-A) had FIVE hats their first year, and added three more later on.

    They’re now the Aberdeen (Md.) IronBirds.

  • Geeman | May 11, 2009 at 3:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”328900″]Currently the Reds only wear red hats at home games, and for away games they wear red hats with black bills. However, the Reds only wear a Red batting helmet worn home and away.

    The black hat with red bill is no longer worn on the field since the uniforms were changed two seasons ago, but it is still sold with the authentic on-field merchandise at the stadium. (This is the hat I own and wear; personally I find the red hats extremely bright and flashy when worn anywhere off the field.)

    The Reds have never worn an all-black hat or batting helmet. As mentioned, the first year MLB teams wore spring training and batting practice hats made of mesh-like material, the Reds’ BP hat was all black, but this was never during regular season games.

    Former Reds catcher Jason LaRue used to wear a solid-black catchers helmet when he wore the helmet-mask combo (I recall him going back and forth to the goalie-style mask a lot too). I just interpretted it as him seeing no reason to paint the bill portion of the helmet.
    [/quote]

    Good info. — thanks.

  • Geen | May 11, 2009 at 3:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”328867″]Harvard is the only college or pro football team I know of that wears a crest/logo up on the shoulders with a TV number below on the sleeves, almost like a hockey jersey. Does anyone know of other teams that do that?[/quote]

    Almost any team in a bowl game (even Penn State shills for the WeGotTarpMoneyAndSqueezeCredit Bowl) looks like that these days.

  • bill | May 11, 2009 at 3:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”328896″][quote comment=”328895″]You share a birthday with Carlos May, the only player to wear his birthday on the back of his jersey![/quote]
    This post gets two thumbs up!!

    (What, too soon? Sorry.)[/quote]

    Actually, give it one thumb up. Carlos May lost a thumb while in the Marine Reserves.

  • joe | May 11, 2009 at 4:06 pm |

    Circle City Neighborhood Bloods in Indianapolis are reportedly known to wear red NY Yankee hats, meaning Neighborhood Youngstaz, and Cincinnati Reds hats because of the red “C.”.

  • Big Al | May 11, 2009 at 4:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”328905″][quote comment=”328896″][quote comment=”328895″]You share a birthday with Carlos May, the only player to wear his birthday on the back of his jersey![/quote]
    This post gets two thumbs up!!

    (What, too soon? Sorry.)[/quote]

    Actually, give it one thumb up. Carlos May lost a thumb while in the Marine Reserves.[/quote]
    [i]Ladies and gentlemen, playing the role of Captain Obvious today is Bill… Bill…[/i]

    /snarky

  • Big Al | May 11, 2009 at 4:17 pm |

    And playing the role of a$$hole that screwed up his tags is Big Al… Big Al…

  • warren thompson | May 11, 2009 at 4:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”328719″]Brown’s lacrosse team isn’t the only school to do this… Georgetown’s lacrosse team has been doing the same thing for the last few years. They have the player’s number on one side and the Georgetown G on the other side of the helmet. Not a crest but the team logo.

    http://www.ecacsport...

    And, for those of us who are well-disposed to our fellow human beings, are not nit-pickers, and are open to novelty, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with this …. ;)

  • Lwiedy | May 11, 2009 at 4:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”328888″][quote comment=”328875″][quote comment=”328870″]UWers:

    On Steve’s Photography Page (as linked above, sorry, not link-savvy) about halfway through under the 7-26-08 heading there’s an unidentified Oriole. There’s no listing of #29 in baseball-almanac’s roster page or oriolesnumbers.com. Who is this? He looks maddingly familiar.

    Thanks.[/quote]

    here’s the pic

    i wanna say paul blair, but he wore #6

    ricko would know…(and im sure a bunch of you guys will as well)[/quote]

    shit…ya know who i think that is…

    ken singleton

    thing is…he wasn’t ON the o’s in ’72…[/quote]

    How bout this guy: http://www.wheatstat...
    Numbers don’t match but it kinda looks like him.

    Maybe him, he’s 21: http://i8.ebayimg.co...

  • ASM | May 11, 2009 at 4:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”328890″][quote comment=”328858″]Also the mariners trident logo is usually a upside down triden to or pitchfork. Which would be a sign of disrespect towards GD’s and the like.[/quote]
    Throw down the crown.

    Also, just in response to the general talk of gangs and colors today: apparently one of the latest ideas is to get far away from distinctive colors; just wear a white t-shirt and blue jeans. That way everyone knows you’re someone, but the cops can’t pick you out just cruising by in their car.[/quote]

    Exactly! Wow theres like 15 other convos going on here.
    Now a days its not really the color that is a good identifier on what gang is which.

    And Matt yes your future as a gang outfitter would truely be short. : )

  • shadoquad | May 11, 2009 at 4:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”328909″][quote comment=”328719″]Brown’s lacrosse team isn’t the only school to do this… Georgetown’s lacrosse team has been doing the same thing for the last few years. They have the player’s number on one side and the Georgetown G on the other side of the helmet. Not a crest but the team logo.

    http://www.ecacsport...

    And, for those of us who are well-disposed to our fellow human beings, are not nit-pickers, and are open to novelty, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with this …. ;)[/quote]

    I don’t think anyone was nitpicking it in a negative light, just saying that it’s not something unique to Brown. FWIW, I think it’s fairly cool.

  • Lwiedy | May 11, 2009 at 4:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”328899″][quote comment=”328892″][quote comment=”328888″][quote comment=”328875″][quote comment=”328870″]UWers:

    On Steve’s Photography Page (as linked above, sorry, not link-savvy) about halfway through under the 7-26-08 heading there’s an unidentified Oriole. There’s no listing of #29 in baseball-almanac’s roster page or oriolesnumbers.com. Who is this? He looks maddingly familiar.

    Thanks.[/quote]

    here’s the pic

    i wanna say paul blair, but he wore #6

    ricko would know…(and im sure a bunch of you guys will as well)[/quote]

    shit…ya know who that is…

    ken singleton

    thing is…he wasn’t ON the o’s in ’72…[/quote]

    If it was taken at the 72 All Star game, chances are it’s one of the O’s coaches…Weaver was the AL manager that year, so it makes sense that he may have brought some guys with him. I’m looking into it more.[/quote]

    1st African American to hit a home run for the Orioles – Joe Durham (54-59).

    http://www.nlbpa.com...

    Solved…he used to throw BP for the O’s in the early 70’s.

    29 wasn’t his playing number, though.[/quote]

    Well, Joe Durham was at the 1972 All-Star Game. Was listed on the AL Roster as BP pitcher (from the game program). Only thing is he is listed as #43.

    Unfortunately, All-Star team photos did not appear in the WS program until 1974. I’m sure he would have been included in that.

  • Kek | May 11, 2009 at 4:46 pm |

    Portland Beavers vs. Salt Lake City Bees on Fox Pacific. WTF are these unis? solid blue with white belts? Is this baseball or a shuffleboard game in Florida at Del Boco Vista.

  • Lwiedy | May 11, 2009 at 5:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”328777″][quote comment=”328773″]Speaking of BP — it’d be interesting to see a history of the development of the BP jersey — how and why it came about, etc. I think the Yankees or Angels were the first to do it, back in ’79 or ’80.[/quote]

    Nope. White Sox, 1972:
    http://farm4.static....

    Not to question Mr. Henderson, but has anyone seen these in B.L. action? Not saying they weren’t what it says they are but the Sox had TWO guys named Nyman and one was gone by 1970 and the other was drafted in June of 1972, which means he did not see a BL uniform until at least spring of 1973. Look like something that would have been used in the GCL (rookie) where Nyman played in 1972.

  • Lwiedy | May 11, 2009 at 5:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”328915″][quote comment=”328777″][quote comment=”328773″]Speaking of BP — it’d be interesting to see a history of the development of the BP jersey — how and why it came about, etc. I think the Yankees or Angels were the first to do it, back in ’79 or ’80.[/quote]

    Nope. White Sox, 1972:
    http://farm4.static....

    Not to question Mr. Henderson, but has anyone seen these in B.L. action? Not saying they weren’t what it says they are but the Sox had TWO guys named Nyman and one was gone by 1970 and the other was drafted in June of 1972, which means he did not see a BL uniform until at least spring of 1973. Look like something that would have been used in the GCL (rookie) where Nyman played in 1972.[/quote]

    BTW, from 1971-1976 Pat Kelly wore #18 for the Sox so I don’t know why Nyman’s name would be written in the tail.

  • anotherguy | May 11, 2009 at 5:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”328905″]Actually, give it one thumb up. Carlos May lost a thumb while in the Marine Reserves.[/quote]Actually, I was wondering if this was going to go completely unnoticed by this younger-than-the-Viet Nam-era crowd.

  • LarryB | May 11, 2009 at 6:08 pm |

    Roger’s 49er shrimp story was funny. I guess that typifies the mindset of a Uniwatcher.

    And we got to see pictures of it too. Also interesting to learn the shrimp clean the tanks.

    Over the years I have had freshwater aquariums. For years I had red bellied piranha. with the silver and red belly they reminded me some of Ohio State

  • Flip | May 11, 2009 at 6:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”328831″][quote comment=”328830″][quote comment=”328827″][quote comment=”328826″][quote comment=”328823″][quote comment=”328818″]Majestic is the worst uniform manufacturer. … They are the ones who ended the vertically arched names on the Braves jersey because of their laziness.[/quote]

    I thought the Braves made that decision on their own. Or at least that was my impression. Do you have more details to share about that?[/quote][/quote][/quote]

    I seem to remember an article quoting John Schuerholz saying that the change to radial-arched names in 2006 was because of the decreased cost/time when players were brought up from the minor leagues or acquired through trades. Have the Braves made the playoffs since dumping the vertically arched nameplates? No. I rest my case. Ugh.[/quote]

    Paul covered this subject not too long ago in an ESPN.com article:

    http://sports.espn.g...

    The pics of Braves players wearing vertically-arched names just depresses me. Damnit they were cool![/quote]

    I wonder if that wasn’t a Schuerholz thing. The Royals used to have the vertically arched names. They also had serifed numbers, too. Now http://photos.upi.co... then http://www.thatsmybo...

  • LarryB | May 11, 2009 at 6:13 pm |

    And Roger’s wifes funny comment typifies a typical woman’s mindset.

    Just saw Bryan Justman’s new Hartford DIY. Great work as always.

  • LarryB | May 11, 2009 at 6:16 pm |

    Hartford was in the first hockey game I ever saw in person. At the old Richfield Coliseum in Ohio. The Redwings played the Whalers in one of those neutral site games. I had seen pro football and baseball when I was a kid but never saw hockey in person until later in my life.

    In my opinion being at a hockey game is the second most fun sporting event in person. After Ohio State football or college football games.

  • LI Phil | May 11, 2009 at 6:36 pm |

    don’t know if anyone just caught this (but i think they’re going to replay it throughout the evening)…but MLB network just ran an incredible piece on “roy campanella night”

    /must see…have a tissue handy
    //more info here, here and here

  • =bg= | May 11, 2009 at 7:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”328918″]Roger’s 49er shrimp story was funny. I guess that typifies the mindset of a Uniwatcher.

    And we got to see pictures of it too. Also interesting to learn the shrimp clean the tanks.

    Over the years I have had freshwater aquariums. For years I had red bellied piranha. with the silver and red belly they reminded me some of Ohio State[/quote]

    When I was done @ the dentist, he handed me a new toothbrush as always..and this one was orange and red with white. I instantly thought, yes, “Bucco Bruce.”

    PS Nationals are in town tonite. Screenshot Creator© is in standby-mode.

  • LI Phil | May 11, 2009 at 7:03 pm |

    woo hoo!

    mets (first time this season on a monday) in snow whites and BLUE caps…they’re undefeated (4-0) in that particular combo…and johan’s on the bump

    /LGM

  • Dwayne | May 11, 2009 at 7:24 pm |

    “Good one. Even better: I saw a game in San Diego in 2000 in which the Reds were wearing black caps with red bills, and the catcher was wearing an all-black batting helmet while catching. So the Reds may have had an all-black cap too. That’s your four right there. ”

    The Reds have never had an all black cap in the modern era.

    That catchers helmet just did not have the red bill painted/decaled.

  • Lwiedy | May 11, 2009 at 7:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”328919″][quote comment=”328831″][quote comment=”328830″][quote comment=”328827″][quote comment=”328826″][quote comment=”328823″][quote comment=”328818″]Majestic is the worst uniform manufacturer. … They are the ones who ended the vertically arched names on the Braves jersey because of their laziness.[/quote]

    I thought the Braves made that decision on their own. Or at least that was my impression. Do you have more details to share about that?[/quote][/quote][/quote]

    I seem to remember an article quoting John Schuerholz saying that the change to radial-arched names in 2006 was because of the decreased cost/time when players were brought up from the minor leagues or acquired through trades. Have the Braves made the playoffs since dumping the vertically arched nameplates? No. I rest my case. Ugh.[/quote]

    Paul covered this subject not too long ago in an ESPN.com article:

    http://sports.espn.g...

    The pics of Braves players wearing vertically-arched names just depresses me. Damnit they were cool![/quote]

    I wonder if that wasn’t a Schuerholz thing. The Royals used to have the vertically arched names. They also had serifed numbers, too. Now http://photos.upi.co... then http://www.thatsmybo...

    Don’t get me started about the difference between what the Royals do now and then.

    As for the vertical arch lettering, from the mid-1970’s to the early 1990’s this is my count of teams using the style: Braves, Orioles , Angels, Indians (1986 only), Cubs, Royals, Twins, Phillies, Pirates (early 80’s), Padres, Giants, Mariners. It wasn’t a Schuerholz thing, but a Wilson thing. All of those teams had Wilson supply unis and Rawlings picked it up for several clubs (when they became the “official” supplier in 1987). Braves never made the switch to Rawlings but I believe they caved in (with a road set) when MLB gave the contract to Russell.

  • Lwiedy | May 11, 2009 at 7:45 pm |

    Pirates only early 1980s road unis.

  • Flip | May 11, 2009 at 7:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”328821″]Royals:

    Blue hat with black bill:
    http://www.maximusne...

    Blue hat:
    http://www.dreamfact...

    Black hat with blue bill:
    http://www.mikesween...

    Grey hat with blue bill:
    http://www.baseball-...
    Damn, I thought those were a bad dream.

  • Goalie007 | May 11, 2009 at 7:57 pm |

    It’s a good thing Jeremy Sowers has made the all-hosiery team, because he sure as heck isn’t going to make the all-pitching team. The reason why Paul hasn’t seen him yet is the same reason nobody else has – he hasn’t been there. Sowers has spent most of the season so far at AAA Columbus and was just called up in the recent Tribe pitching purge. Hope he can pitch well and stick around, that staff needs help. Right now they remind me alot of the Tribe’s infamous 1988 “Bullpen From Hell.” If I see Masa Kobayashi go out there and puke all over himself one more time, I’m going to jump off the I-480 bridge, even if I have to take a number to do it.

  • JRJR | May 11, 2009 at 9:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”328769″][quote comment=”328763″][quote comment=”328758″][quote comment=”328724″]those new pics of ron hansen & tommy mccraw…(steves bb pages)…are those from 1969/70? and were the caps/helmets darker for each of the two seasons or was that just due to the lighting (or lens, or filter, or time)…

    and ricko, were those unis powder blue?

    EDIT: wasn’t clear in the above… i meant were the 1970’s a darker blue from the 1969’s (or vice versa)…or were they the same colors, only appearing different in those photos…OR…were those pics both from the same season?[/quote]

    Yes, they’re powder blue. Those photos both are pre-1969. Lettering and numbers are navy (in ’69 and ’70 were white edged in contrasting blue), and the hat logo is old square-block lettering that goes back to early ’50s. The hat logo with the stylized “S” and “calligraphy” letters appeared in ’69 and stayed through the red-hat, red-shoes years.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    gracias, kind sir

    (thought they were pre 69-70, but they sure look gray in those photos…i guess then, we can safely assume, any photo of a ‘powder blue’ uni that isn’t a poly double can show up as gray, since it was such a light [and beautiful] blue to begin with?)

    /now i can see why your EYES are far more valuable than even photographic evidence…or okkonen
    //now if we can just find a color pic of the brown blue pony[/quote]

    My father was an excellent retoucher of black and white photos…for newspapers ads a such (make that blender look shinny and special, etc.). He had numerous numbered tubes of gouche (like water color) in varying shades of gray, from almost white to almost black. There were two distinct spectrums available: Warm gray and cool gray. Warm gray is, for lack of a better description, black and white with just a hint of green/yellow). Cool gray adds a bit of blue to the black and white.

    The point? There were road flannels from both hues. I have a Minneapolis Millers jersey from Ebbets Field Flannels that is more in the warm gray family. I also have some old gray flannel pants that are cool gray. From attending games at the time…even going back to the pre-Twins Millers, one team’s grays didn’t always match another’s.

    And that’s probably the issue with those White Sox unis.

    Their powder blues were just cool gray with even more blue added. So they can be very hard to “read” in photos…as to whether they were gray or powder blue. I suspect a number of other teams have the same issue.

    But some teams who warm gray such as the Giants, almost never seem to look blue in their flannels.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Certainly you mean gouache–which is VERY different from watercolor, although both are water soluble. Gouache is a concentrated pigment that is usually mixed with gum arabic and watercolor is pigment with multiple binders that enhance it’s ability to spread across a surface that will absorb water.

    Warm gray would contain yellow or red and cool gray, blue. If warm gray had green, it was probably a proprietary color.

    Also, the lack of sensitivity to reds in older film makes it nearly impossible to tell what “color” gray you are looking at, not to mention sun damaged to old photos.

    Just sayin’.

  • Dwayne | May 11, 2009 at 9:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”328913″][quote comment=”328899″][quote comment=”328892″][quote comment=”328888″][quote comment=”328875″][quote comment=”328870″]UWers:

    On Steve’s Photography Page (as linked above, sorry, not link-savvy) about halfway through under the 7-26-08 heading there’s an unidentified Oriole. There’s no listing of #29 in baseball-almanac’s roster page or oriolesnumbers.com. Who is this? He looks maddingly familiar.

    Thanks.[/quote]

    here’s the pic

    i wanna say paul blair, but he wore #6

    ricko would know…(and im sure a bunch of you guys will as well)[/quote]

    shit…ya know who that is…

    ken singleton

    thing is…he wasn’t ON the o’s in ’72…[/quote]

    If it was taken at the 72 All Star game, chances are it’s one of the O’s coaches…Weaver was the AL manager that year, so it makes sense that he may have brought some guys with him. I’m looking into it more.[/quote]

    1st African American to hit a home run for the Orioles – Joe Durham (54-59).

    http://www.nlbpa.com...

    Solved…he used to throw BP for the O’s in the early 70’s.

    29 wasn’t his playing number, though.[/quote]

    Well, Joe Durham was at the 1972 All-Star Game. Was listed on the AL Roster as BP pitcher (from the game program). Only thing is he is listed as #43.
    [/quote]

    According to the book “Now Batting…Number…” by Jack Looney, http://www.amazon.co...

    #28 for the Orioles was OF Tom Shopay.

    He was listed on the 1972 Orioles.

    http://www.baseball-...

  • Dwayne | May 11, 2009 at 9:27 pm |

    oops…..nevermind

    I thought it was #28, not #29.

    Anyway, the Devil Rays came out with these caps at their unveiling.

    1. All black w/devil ray.
    2. All purple w/devil ray.
    3. Black with purple bill and w/devil ray.
    4. White with black bill and w/devil ray.

  • mike 2 | May 11, 2009 at 10:02 pm |

    Am I the first person to notice this? Or is it up there with the green dot / Bucs practice jerseys?

    I\’m watching Caps / Pens tonight and the network is using the Caps shoulder patch for graphics

    http://www.onfrozenb...

    I’ve always noticed the capital dome in the negative space, but for the first time ever I noticed that the entire logo forms the shape of a “W”.

    Am I the first person to notice this, or am I an idiot for just noticing it now?

  • =bg= | May 11, 2009 at 10:24 pm |

    Monitoring the Nats @ G-Men…no malfunctions yet.
    But it’s just the bottom of the first.

  • JTH | May 11, 2009 at 10:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”328933″]Am I the first person to notice this? Or is it up there with the green dot / Bucs practice jerseys?

    I\’m watching Caps / Pens tonight and the network is using the Caps shoulder patch for graphics

    http://www.onfrozenb...

    I’ve always noticed the capital dome in the negative space, but for the first time ever I noticed that the entire logo forms the shape of a “W”.

    Am I the first person to notice this, or am I an idiot for just noticing it now?[/quote]
    Funny. It’s the opposite for me. I noticed the W right away but I didn’t notice the negative space dome thing until it was pointed out to me.

    And what a snoozefest that series has been.

  • Nick | May 11, 2009 at 10:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”328825″]I think any team that didn’t have black in their color scheme, but decided to incorporate black for absolutely no reason at all, had some crazy combination of hats (usually 3 or 4) b/c they had to incorporate a black version, or a black brim, or a black drop shadow. See: Mets, Rangers, Royals, and Reds. The Marlins might be the lone exception. Black has always been a part of their color scheme. I think the worst offenders are the hats that have a black brim for the sake of having a black brim. Those hats are fugly.[/quote]

    Please do not leave out the NY Knicks. A good example of a HORRIBLE addition of Black to the traditional Blue/Orange/White uni, solely to add Black-for-Black’s-sake.

    DISGUSTING

  • besty | May 11, 2009 at 11:09 pm |

    Orioles # 29 looks like Al Bumbry. Not sure if he was with them then or wore that number.

  • MPowers1634 | May 11, 2009 at 11:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”328911″][quote comment=”328890″][quote comment=”328858″]Also the mariners trident logo is usually a upside down triden to or pitchfork. Which would be a sign of disrespect towards GD’s and the like.[/quote]
    Throw down the crown.

    Also, just in response to the general talk of gangs and colors today: apparently one of the latest ideas is to get far away from distinctive colors; just wear a white t-shirt and blue jeans. That way everyone knows you’re someone, but the cops can’t pick you out just cruising by in their car.[/quote]

    Exactly! Wow theres like 15 other convos going on here.
    Now a days its not really the color that is a good identifier on what gang is which.

    And Matt yes your future as a gang outfitter would truely be short. : )[/quote]

    I can’t reply with anything other than GOOD!

  • Chuck | May 11, 2009 at 11:39 pm |

    I do not understand why the Penguins have a “white out” (fans wearing white), when they wear their black jerseys. It looks like the fans are for the Caps. Am I missing something here?

  • Mike Engle | May 11, 2009 at 11:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”328939″]I do not understand why the Penguins have a “white out” (fans wearing white), when they wear their black jerseys.

    It looks like the fans are for the Caps. Am I missing something here?[/quote]
    Well, you surely can’t have a black-out because it will look like the seats are empty.
    My solution: give everybody a Terrible Towel (slap a Penguin logo on it if you must) and goddamnit, adjust that gold-like color on the jerseys to Steeltown Gold!

  • JTH | May 12, 2009 at 12:00 am |

    G’night, Roberto.

    And you would have gotten away with it if it hadn’t been for those meddling kids.

    da da duh/da da duh/da da da da da da duh

  • Johnny W | May 12, 2009 at 12:14 am |
  • rpm | May 12, 2009 at 12:44 am |

    [quote comment=”328941″]G’night, Roberto.

    And you would have gotten away with it if it hadn’t been for those meddling kids.

    da da duh/da da duh/da da da da da da duh[/quote]
    damn straight!!!

  • Nick | May 12, 2009 at 1:48 am |

    [quote comment=”328942″]Atlanta Flames[/quote]

    Best ALPHABET sports logo EVER!

  • Jeff P | May 12, 2009 at 2:13 am |

    [quote comment=”328940″][quote comment=”328939″]I do not understand why the Penguins have a “white out” (fans wearing white), when they wear their black jerseys.

    It looks like the fans are for the Caps. Am I missing something here?[/quote]
    Well, you surely can’t have a black-out because it will look like the seats are empty.
    My solution: give everybody a Terrible Towel (slap a Penguin logo on it if you must) and goddamnit, adjust that gold-like color on the jerseys to Steeltown Gold![/quote]
    They used to use the old gold every other pittsburgh team uses. Honestly, I think this is a better look for them. But if they did go back, they could have a gold out, which would look much better.