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Fortunately, Hernandez Didn’t Come Along for This Road Trip

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Quite a few of you have been sending me notes saying, more or less, “What’s with all the attention to Josh Outman and Corey Wimberly? Where’s the love for Brendan Ryan? His stirrups are striped, y’know!” Really? I hadn’t noticed!

As I’ve patiently explained to these people, I haven’t mentioned Ryan so much this season because (a) I’ve given him plenty of attention in past seasons, and (b) I wish he’d show more of his white sanitaries. But Mets announcers Gary Cohen and Ron Darling apparently had no such compunctions yesterday, as they used a Ryan at-bat in the bottom of the 7th as the launching point for a wide-ranging, often awkward discussion of lower-leg stylings. Here’s a transcript:

Ron Darling: This kid brings some nice energy to the ballclub, doesn’t he? Old-timer with those socks pulled up. I think those socks by the Cardinals have to be one of the best in baseball, don’t they?

Gary Cohen [apparently unaware of current uni specs in Boston]: Those and the Red Sox.

Darling [equally clueless]: Red Sox are good. Trying to think, who else..?

Cohen: Did you see, by the way, I was watching, uh, uh, I was watching part of the Yankees/Oakland game yesterday, and one of the kids for Oakland, I think it was Outman, was wearing the stirrups — the green with the gold? Oh my! It looked like a picture out of the ’60s!

Darling: That’s right. I, I, they’re great, because they have the sanitary socks for, I mean… Guys don’t wear it now. They more wear the kind of soccer kind of sock, which is all one color. You see Delgado has it on, Reyes have [sic] them on. But it is, I, I used to wear that, that green and gold, and it’s pretty funny. See look, they’re more like soccer socks now. Just one full sock that they wear under their uniform.

Cohen: Right, but generally, when guys wear stirrups, they’ve got white socks, white sanitary socks underneath the stirrups. But this is the gold sanitary sock under the green stirrup. I, I, I, I’ve never seen look. Not for a long time anyway.

Darling: I tell, I tell you the hardest thing about getting used to in going to Oakland was not only that, the gold sanitary sock, was the white shoe.

Cohen: Mmm, the white shoes, yeah. Well, you felt like Joe Namath.

Darling: Exac… [Chuckles so hard he can’t complete the word.] By the way, when I was playing football, everyone had to get those Riddells that Joe Namath had.

Cohen: Joe Willie White Shoes. [Long pause; one can almost hear both men’s brains recalibrating.] And then there was Billy White Shoes Johnson.

Darling [clearly relieved to have something to respond to]: There you go.

Cohen [wandering far off the reservation now]: Everyone wanted to spike the ball like Billy White Shoes Johnson.

Darling: You know what’s pretty funny is, is that, you know, the NFL has stopped all the, uh, uh celebrating, or tried to stop all the celebrating. I couldn’t wait for Billy White Shoes Johnson to score a touchdown.

Cohen: Well, that’s because it was unique. I think, you know, when it starts to become a little over the top, they had to rein it in.

Darling: You weren’t an Ickey Shuffle fan? [Chuckles heartily at this reference.]

Cohen: You know, but even that was cute at the time. But you know, when guys are retrieving cell phones from goalposts, it’s, y’know, it starts to get a little out of hand.

Darling: Signing the football?

Cohen: Yeah, exactly. [Both men snicker to themselves, very satisfied to have identified this cultural microtrend and established their superiority to it. A long pause ensues.]

Darling: My favorite, and I won’t remember his name, it’s too bad. He played for the Philadelphia Eagles, and he scored a touchdown, and he used the goalpost as a heavy bag. [Chuckles. Cohen chuckles back.] He just stood there and uppercutted the heavy bag. It was great.

Cohen: That’s great as long as you don’t break your hand. [Both men chuckle. Discussion moves on to other matters for about 70 seconds.]

Darling: I was given the name of the Eagle. It was Vai Sikahema.

Cohen [clearly nonplussed to be back on this topic]: Ah. I would’ve had trouble just pronouncing that name. [Darling laughs heartily. Discussion mercifully moves on to other topics.]

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So the morals of the story are as follows: (1) Mets announcers are incapable of discussing uni-related matters without making fools of themselves. (2) Gary Cohen apparently never saw Barry Zito pitch while he was with the A’s. (3) Even in broadcaster discussions, Josh Outman’s stirrups get more attention than Brendan Ryan’s. Sorry St. Looie fans, but whaddaya gonna do.

Uni Watch News Ticker: Remember Ozzie Guillen’s “OPD” cap from spring training? It sold for $400. … “Just wanted to let you in on the stupid way our baseball team at Marksville High (Marksville, La.) wears/ secures their pants,” writes Chris LaHaye. “Most started doing this last season and, sadly, it carried over to this year. No one can give me a good reason for wearing them like this except it looks ‘tight.'” Of course, once you see the team’s full uniforms, you realize that the pants are the least of their problems. … Oh. My. God. Details here (with thanks to Jim Ransdell). … “Versus did a piece about the Sutter brothers in between periods on Wednesday night, and they showed them in these Rawlings jerseys,” says Doug Keklak. “I hadn’t known that Rawlings actually made any hockey gear.” … Also from Doug: Check out this 1972 shot. “That’s the pee wee team that won the Greater Johnstown School District elementary school league. Apparently, uniforms weren’t a priority, as I’m pretty sure those numbers are made with tape!” says Doug. … The Oilers are redesignating their classic throwbacks as their primary home uni for next season. … A few days ago there was some chatter in the comments about the common use of red and blue on the electoral map, which is interesting in light of this photo — why are so many people wearing red? There was no mention of it in the article, so I did a bit of googling and learned that red is the color of the same-sex marriage movement in Maine. I am not trying to start a debate on the merits of same-sex marriage, so let’s not go there, thanks, but I do think it’s interesting that they’re using what’s usually thought of as the right-wing color to advocate what’s usually thought of as a left-wing cause. … John Grupp of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review interviewed me yesterday on the topic of Nyjer Morgan’s stirrups (I resisted the urge to suggest that he talk to Gary Cohen and Ron Darling). Article will run on Sunday, I’m told. … It’s that time of year again (courtesy of Matt Sajina). … Okay, I think the human race — or at least the advertising/marketing community — has now officially hit rock bottom (with thanks to Jim Roddy). … Lenny Dykstra, classy as always. Note the flapless Darren Daulton catcher’s helmet. Caption says the photo is from 1990, which was before the Daulton/Dykstra car crash, so it’s not like this was a “Sorry, dude” move or anything like that. Hmmmm (with thanks to Andrew Dixon). … Nicole Haase thinks she’s found the secret to Manny Parra’s problems. … Yesterday’s Jags coverage prompted this from Jared Pike: “I’ve been a Jaguars fan ever since they were announced in 1993, when family members bought season tickets right off the bat. As a result, they got insider newsletters, detailing the team’s early history (with interesting headlines like, ‘Jaguars Soon to Have Players’). Here’s one when they unveiled their new non-automotive logo and uniforms. The article claims that the uni is distinctive because it is the first ever to feature three-color numbers. Interesting, huh? Verifiable, maybe — but moot, since they’ve taken a step backwards with their new two-color numbers. I’ve also attached some promotional artwork, showing a prototype Jaguars helmet being raised in hypothetical victory, and a Sporting News cover showing the original uni design that was later scrapped.” … Ben Fortney sent me this shot from the 1981 World Series and asked if I knew what the patch was for. Answer: That’s the Los Angeles bicentennial patch that the Dodgers wore that season. … Joe Alvaro tried his hand at a NYC logo mash-up. Here’s a version in which he swapped out the Knicks in favor of the Giants. … Now that’s a program cover. Lots of similarly wonderful CFL programs displayed here and here (big thanks to Terry Paffenroth). … In a remarkable feat of glandular control, Ex-Phillie Kevin Millwood has managed to create a Harry Kalas memorial sweatstain on his cap.

 

192 comments to Fortunately, Hernandez Didn’t Come Along for This Road Trip

  • Oakville Endive | April 24, 2009 at 8:42 am |

    In terms of associating colours with political parties, while the right wing in the US is given the red colour and left wing blue, in Canada its more or less the opposite, the more right wing party is given blue, the liberal party – red, and the NDP (workers party – orange). The red colour associated with the GOP I’ve always found ironic, as I link red it to communism/socialism.

  • peter | April 24, 2009 at 8:43 am |

    About :30 seconds in to the end….(After the ad, I believe that BASES LOADED is the first video game to promentily show stirrups!

    http://www.gametrail...

  • Glenn | April 24, 2009 at 8:48 am |

    An interesting link here (video only, don’t have a screen grab), a local high school baseball player, with an extremely modified batting helmet (that he wears full-time) due to previous injury.

    link

  • bill | April 24, 2009 at 8:55 am |

    Darling: You see Delgado has it on, Reyes have [sic] them on.

    Yes ladies and gentlemen, this man was admitted to Yale University.

  • Jeremiah | April 24, 2009 at 8:58 am |

    I was reading this story about the New Mexico coach’s dislike for Stephen Strasburg’s “demeanor,” when I noticed the second photo in the story. The kid is covered in swooshes. I count six that are visible. There undoubtedly more on the glove and shoes that we can’t see from the photo.

    http://www.thedailya...

  • Paul Lukas | April 24, 2009 at 9:02 am |

    [quote comment=”325766″]I was reading this story about the New Mexico coach’s dislike for Stephen Strasburg’s “demeanor,” when I noticed the second photo in the story. The kid is covered in swooshes. I count six that are visible. There undoubtedly more on the glove and shoes that we can’t see from the photo.

    http://www.thedailya...

    I count eight (plus two we can’t see on the shoes):
    http://www.thedailya...

  • Ry Co 40 | April 24, 2009 at 9:02 am |

    in my opinion. perfect stirrup length:

    http://imagecache5.a...

  • LI Phil | April 24, 2009 at 9:03 am |

    [quote comment=”325765″]Darling: You see Delgado has it on, Reyes have [sic] them on.

    Yes ladies and gentlemen, this man was admitted to Yale University.[/quote]

    didn’t W graduate from there?

  • Geeman | April 24, 2009 at 9:05 am |

    I read once that the San Diego Chargers were the first team to have three-color numbers and they were invented by their equipment manager, who was a Korean War vet (and who got pelted by snowballs at Giants Stadium in 1995 — nice work, Giants fans).

  • A.J. | April 24, 2009 at 9:07 am |

    http://cgi.ebay.com....

    Sweet Rawlings hockey gloves right there.

  • scott | April 24, 2009 at 9:14 am |

    I like Ryan’s stirrups. Just a small bit of white showing, enough to know there is a sanitary underneath.

  • Scott | April 24, 2009 at 9:16 am |

    Re: Ticker link about Miami baseball…apparently, it’s the time of year to “thnik” pink!

  • MPowers1634 | April 24, 2009 at 9:20 am |

    1. Ryan’s hosiery has been applauded here for some time, however aren’t they socks?

    2. Another uni-centric item from the NYM/cards game yesterday…Did anyone else notice the cards catcher, Jason LaRue wearing mismatched gear?

    Red chest protector/black shin guards were an eyesore. Here’s amn older pic with the same look:

    http://cache.daylife...

    3. Funny pic from the Lakers/Jazz series…I just love the Sloan impostor:

    http://d.yimg.com/a/...

  • Brendon | April 24, 2009 at 9:21 am |
  • Scott | April 24, 2009 at 9:22 am |

    Kids, back away from the duct tape.

    Put down the duct tape, and just back away.

    You will pay for this ridiculosity in 10 years, we all know. Just like “pegged” jeans, acid wash, and the mulletociousness of the 80s … YOU WILL PAY.

    Man, when will the pajama bottoms trend ever END!?

  • Glen H | April 24, 2009 at 9:25 am |

    I guess that whole if you build it they will come thing is a crock of shit

    http://sports.espn.g...

  • Nick Maibroda | April 24, 2009 at 9:27 am |

    Brett Hull rocked some Rawlings gear in his late St. Louis Blues day. http://i.cdn.turner....
    I remember reading that Hull liked to tie his skates up before putting his hockey pants on, so Rawlings put a zippers on the inside of the legs. Thus started the trend of hockey players showing too much skin.

  • Paul Lukas | April 24, 2009 at 9:30 am |

    [quote comment=”325777″]I guess that whole if you build it they will come thing is a crock of shit

    http://sports.espn.g...

    There was a NYT article yesterday that said the Mets and Yanks were “scrambling to comb over their $295- to $2,625-a-seat bald spots.” Genius analogy. That’s what I’m gonna call the great swaths of empty seats from now on — bald spots.

  • Ricko | April 24, 2009 at 9:33 am |

    Hall of Fame career. Lousy team. And I gotta “earn” my arrowhead? Yah, right.

    Welcome to Atlanta, Mr. Gonzalez.

    —Ricko

  • Glen H | April 24, 2009 at 9:33 am |
  • Graf Zeppelin | April 24, 2009 at 9:36 am |

    Loved those original Jaguars uniforms, with the block numerals. Never should have changed them.

    The new ones are just depressing. Ugh.

  • MPowers1634 | April 24, 2009 at 9:38 am |

    [quote comment=”325776″]Kids, back away from the duct tape.

    Put down the duct tape, and just back away.

    You will pay for this ridiculosity in 10 years, we all know. Just like “pegged” jeans, acid wash, and the mulletociousness of the 80s … YOU WILL PAY.

    Man, when will the pajama bottoms trend ever END!?[/quote]

    I LOVE my job, I really do…it’s what I was put here to do, however I must have done some very terrible things in my past lives becuase I spend 7 to 8 hours of every day with 13,14, and 15 year olds.

    If you think the “Manny” look is awful, take a walk through your local middle school.

    Attack of the Jonas Brothers!

  • dkb | April 24, 2009 at 9:40 am |

    This is my favorite pic from the CFL programs. Love the pumps–that’s the best part of that uni.

  • Ricko | April 24, 2009 at 9:44 am |

    [quote comment=”325779″][quote comment=”325777″]I guess that whole if you build it they will come thing is a crock of shit

    http://sports.espn.g...

    There was a NYT article yesterday that said the Mets and Yanks were “scrambling to comb over their $295- to $2,625-a-seat bald spots.” Genius analogy. That’s what I’m gonna call the great swaths of empty seats from now on — bald spots.[/quote]

    Gotta love the pro sports mentality. “We have press conferences to announce a new FONT, for pete’s sake. We’re loved beyond all measure. Of course people will pay $2,700 to attend a game.”

    They’re in for a shock, and the Yankees-Mets rethinking ticket prices is a sign of that reality setting in. I mean, we have NFL teams talking about trading down on Saturday cuz in a talent-thin draft year they don’t want to pay high first-round signing bonusses, etc.

    “The times they are a-changin’.”

    —Ricko

  • Bernard | April 24, 2009 at 9:46 am |

    [quote comment=”325768″]in my opinion. perfect stirrup length:

    http://imagecache5.a...

    Perfect stirrup length, AND exactly what a baseball vest should look like.

    Man, I love that uniform.

  • Ricko | April 24, 2009 at 9:49 am |

    [quote comment=”325786″][quote comment=”325768″]in my opinion. perfect stirrup length:

    http://imagecache5.a...

    Perfect stirrup length, AND exactly what a baseball vest should look like.

    Man, I love that uniform.[/quote]

    Whole-hearted agreement here. On all counts.

  • Ricko | April 24, 2009 at 9:50 am |

    [quote comment=”325784″]This is my favorite pic from the CFL programs. Love the pumps–that’s the best part of that uni.[/quote]

    Never forget, Pamela Anderson was discovered at a B.C. Lions game.

  • MPowers1634 | April 24, 2009 at 9:52 am |

    [quote comment=”325787″][quote comment=”325786″][quote comment=”325768″]in my opinion. perfect stirrup length:

    http://imagecache5.a...

    Perfect stirrup length, AND exactly what a baseball vest should look like.

    Man, I love that uniform.[/quote]

    Whole-hearted agreement here. On all counts.[/quote]

    Everything about that picture defines baseball perfection.

  • Elena | April 24, 2009 at 9:52 am |

    Boog Ryan’s hosiery includes real stirrups. The minor leaguers in Cardinals system wear knitted-in stirrup-design socks, but Ryan’s are the real deal. They just traded Brian Barton, the only other player I’ve seen recently who went high-cuffed.
    No idea what was up with LaRue wearing away shin guards with a home chest protector.

  • Ricko | April 24, 2009 at 9:53 am |

    [quote comment=”325789″][quote comment=”325787″][quote comment=”325786″][quote comment=”325768″]in my opinion. perfect stirrup length:

    http://imagecache5.a...

    Perfect stirrup length, AND exactly what a baseball vest should look like.

    Man, I love that uniform.[/quote]

    Whole-hearted agreement here. On all counts.[/quote]

    Everything about that picture defines baseball perfection.[/quote]

    Including the guy IN the uni, I think.

  • Ry Co 40 | April 24, 2009 at 9:53 am |

    [quote comment=”325786″][quote comment=”325768″]in my opinion. perfect stirrup length:

    http://imagecache5.a...

    Perfect stirrup length, AND exactly what a baseball vest should look like.

    Man, I love that uniform.[/quote]

    SO glad (and proud) that he wore a pirates uniform!

  • Andy11 | April 24, 2009 at 9:59 am |

    Looks like you left out a word here:
    [Long pause; one can almost both men’s brains recalibrating.]

  • Steve Naismith | April 24, 2009 at 10:00 am |

    [quote comment=”325776″]You will pay for this ridiculosity in 10 years, we all know. Just like “pegged” jeans, acid wash, and the mulletociousness of the 80s … YOU WILL PAY.[/quote]

    Just like pegged jeans, acid wash, and mullets, 1980s stirrups are IMHO unquestionably the most ridiculous look in sports uniform history.

    http://www.bestsport...
    >
    http://www.ericscard...

  • u2-horn | April 24, 2009 at 10:01 am |

    [quote comment=”325767″]

    I count eight (plus two we can’t see on the shoes):
    http://www.thedailya...

    and likely another on the glove we can’t see

    http://www.dowdlespo...

  • Bernard | April 24, 2009 at 10:04 am |

    [quote comment=”325792″][quote comment=”325786″][quote comment=”325768″]in my opinion. perfect stirrup length:

    http://imagecache5.a...

    Perfect stirrup length, AND exactly what a baseball vest should look like.

    Man, I love that uniform.[/quote]

    SO glad (and proud) that he wore a pirates uniform![/quote]

    The total baseball package, and he looked cool doing it. Has anyone ever worn a baseball uniform better?

  • Geen | April 24, 2009 at 10:05 am |

    [quote comment=”325779″][quote comment=”325777″]I guess that whole if you build it they will come thing is a crock of shit

    http://sports.espn.g...

    There was a NYT article yesterday that said the Mets and Yanks were “scrambling to comb over their $295- to $2,625-a-seat bald spots.” Genius analogy. That’s what I’m gonna call the great swaths of empty seats from now on — bald spots.[/quote]

    Interesting to see a quote from the MLS Commissioner on that. In soccer, you WANT the fans on television (see: Barra Brava, Section 8, Red Patch Boys, Texian Army, The Cauldron, The Midnight Riders).

    Thing is, those pricey $2,000 seats with personal seat taxes (er, licenses) are the first seats the television cameras see.

    The Yankees, Mets, and soon, the Cowboys, Jets, and Giants will be showing lots of people dressed up as empty seats on TV, the perceptions will become reality, and the values of these franchises will plummet.

    HBO did a RealSports story on this a few months ago. How true the predictions have become!

    http://www.hbo.com/r...

  • Ricko | April 24, 2009 at 10:05 am |

    re: duct taped pants (in the ticker).

    Rookies. First off, training tape would be a helluva lot more comfortable.

    Second, the pants-IN-shoes look isn’t “tight”. It’s really, really, really stupid.

    Granted, the ankle-length-look started that way with guys like Jose Offerman and Jose Lind. But it’s like watching some city dude tuck his jeans into his Tony Lama’s and think he stylin’ like a sure ’nuff cowpoke…when he really just looks like a dork. So, almost by default, pants outside shoes looks better. If you gotta have one or the other.

    —Ricko

  • Wes | April 24, 2009 at 10:07 am |

    None of the flickr links (in other words, basically all of the links in the ticker) are working for me. Is everyone having that problem?

  • u2-horn | April 24, 2009 at 10:08 am |

    [quote comment=”325785″][quote comment=”325779″][quote comment=”325777″]I guess that whole if you build it they will come thing is a crock of shit

    http://sports.espn.g...

    There was a NYT article yesterday that said the Mets and Yanks were “scrambling to comb over their $295- to $2,625-a-seat bald spots.” Genius analogy. That’s what I’m gonna call the great swaths of empty seats from now on — bald spots.[/quote]

    Gotta love the pro sports mentality. “We have press conferences to announce a new FONT, for pete’s sake. We’re loved beyond all measure. Of course people will pay $2,700 to attend a game.”

    They’re in for a shock, and the Yankees-Mets rethinking ticket prices is a sign of that reality setting in. I mean, we have NFL teams talking about trading down on Saturday cuz in a talent-thin draft year they don’t want to pay high first-round signing bonusses, etc.

    “The times they are a-changin’.”

    —Ricko[/quote]

    http://www.autoblog....

    http://www.autoblog....

  • Ry Co 40 | April 24, 2009 at 10:11 am |

    [quote comment=”325791″][quote comment=”325789″][quote comment=”325787″][quote comment=”325786″][quote comment=”325768″]in my opinion. perfect stirrup length:

    http://imagecache5.a...

    Perfect stirrup length, AND exactly what a baseball vest should look like.

    Man, I love that uniform.[/quote]

    Whole-hearted agreement here. On all counts.[/quote]

    Everything about that picture defines baseball perfection.[/quote]

    Including the guy IN the uni, I think.[/quote]

    so is that the “definitive baseball uniform/player” pic??? LOL!!! probably pretty close!

  • Lwiedy | April 24, 2009 at 10:12 am |

    [quote comment=”325785″][quote comment=”325779″][quote comment=”325777″]I guess that whole if you build it they will come thing is a crock of shit

    http://sports.espn.g...

    “The times they are a-changin’.”

    —Ricko[/quote]

    All you Minnesota boys stick together, don’t you.

  • Bernard | April 24, 2009 at 10:13 am |

    Paul-

    Can you please explain what you meant by “new non-automotive logo and uniforms” in reference to the Jaguars? I’m not familiar with the automotive angle.

    Thank you!

  • morningrise | April 24, 2009 at 10:14 am |

    [quote comment=”325800″]None of the flickr links (in other words, basically all of the links in the ticker) are working for me. Is everyone having that problem?[/quote]

    Also can’t open flickr links

  • LI Phil | April 24, 2009 at 10:16 am |

    [quote]“The times they are a-changin’.”

    —Ricko

    [/quote]

    wasn’t that robert zimmerman?

  • LI Phil | April 24, 2009 at 10:18 am |

    [quote comment=”325804″]Paul-

    Can you please explain what you meant by “new non-automotive logo and uniforms” in reference to the Jaguars? I’m not familiar with the automotive angle.

    Thank you![/quote]

    The day after the NFL awarded the expansion team to Jacksonville, a triumphant and surprised Wayne Weaver held up the Jaguars’ proposed silver helmet and teal jersey at the NFL owners’ meeting in Chicago. The team’s colors were revealed to be teal, gold, and silver with black accents. However, this jersey and helmet design stirred controversy. Both included the team’s logo with a gold leaping jaguar. This caught the attention of Ford Motor Company, parent of the automaker Jaguar, in that the Jaguars’ logo bore what they considered to be too much resemblance to the automaker’s logo, which was also used as a hood ornament. Though no lawsuit was brought to trial, an amicable agreement was ultimately reached where Jaguar would be named the official car of the Jaguars, and the Jaguars would redesign their uniforms.

    The new logo became a prominent snarling Jaguars head with a teal tongue, which Weaver said was his wife’s touch

    from here

  • Ry Co 40 | April 24, 2009 at 10:18 am |

    [quote comment=”325807″][quote]“The times they are a-changin’.”

    —Ricko

    [/quote]

    wasn’t that robert zimmerman?[/quote]

    hmmm… i DID not know that. interesting!!!

  • Ricko | April 24, 2009 at 10:21 am |

    [quote comment=”325807″][quote]“The times they are a-changin’.”

    —Ricko

    [/quote]

    wasn’t that robert zimmerman?[/quote]

    Yes, indeed.
    “You don’t need a weatherman to see which way the wind blows”
    (also relevant to this discussion)

  • Glen H | April 24, 2009 at 10:21 am |

    [quote comment=”325808″][quote comment=”325804″]Paul-

    Can you please explain what you meant by “new non-automotive logo and uniforms” in reference to the Jaguars? I’m not familiar with the automotive angle.

    Thank you![/quote]

    The day after the NFL awarded the expansion team to Jacksonville, a triumphant and surprised Wayne Weaver held up the Jaguars’ proposed silver helmet and teal jersey at the NFL owners’ meeting in Chicago. The team’s colors were revealed to be teal, gold, and silver with black accents. However, this jersey and helmet design stirred controversy. Both included the team’s logo with a gold leaping jaguar. This caught the attention of Ford Motor Company, parent of the automaker Jaguar, in that the Jaguars’ logo bore what they considered to be too much resemblance to the automaker’s logo, which was also used as a hood ornament. Though no lawsuit was brought to trial, an amicable agreement was ultimately reached where Jaguar would be named the official car of the Jaguars, and the Jaguars would redesign their uniforms.

    The new logo became a prominent snarling Jaguars head with a teal tongue, which Weaver said was his wife’s touch

    from here[/quote]

    nice research phil!

  • Bernard | April 24, 2009 at 10:24 am |

    [quote comment=”325808″][quote comment=”325804″]Paul-

    Can you please explain what you meant by “new non-automotive logo and uniforms” in reference to the Jaguars? I’m not familiar with the automotive angle.

    Thank you![/quote]

    The day after the NFL awarded the expansion team to Jacksonville, a triumphant and surprised Wayne Weaver held up the Jaguars’ proposed silver helmet and teal jersey at the NFL owners’ meeting in Chicago. The team’s colors were revealed to be teal, gold, and silver with black accents. However, this jersey and helmet design stirred controversy. Both included the team’s logo with a gold leaping jaguar. This caught the attention of Ford Motor Company, parent of the automaker Jaguar, in that the Jaguars’ logo bore what they considered to be too much resemblance to the automaker’s logo, which was also used as a hood ornament. Though no lawsuit was brought to trial, an amicable agreement was ultimately reached where Jaguar would be named the official car of the Jaguars, and the Jaguars would redesign their uniforms.

    The new logo became a prominent snarling Jaguars head with a teal tongue, which Weaver said was his wife’s touch

    from here[/quote]

    Ah, it’s coming back to me now. Thanks, Phil!

  • Ricko | April 24, 2009 at 10:25 am |

    Speaking of Minnesota, here’s a place to spend some time clicking around…
    http://www.periscope...

  • LI Phil | April 24, 2009 at 10:25 am |

    in re: j’ville uni

    here’s what was originally proposed (posted that the other day, but relevant to the ‘lawsuit’ comments

    *EDIT* original helmet

  • Mike Engle | April 24, 2009 at 10:28 am |

    [quote comment=”325804″]Paul-

    Can you please explain what you meant by “new non-automotive logo and uniforms” in reference to the Jaguars? I’m not familiar with the automotive angle.

    Thank you![/quote]
    Jaguar (the car brand) complained about the original logo, as featured on the helmet and uniforms. Looked too much like their own logo. See the resemblance?

  • al | April 24, 2009 at 10:29 am |

    If I may, the A’s are special because of their Gold sani’s, green stirups, and white shoes. Because of that combo, in my opinion Outman and Wimberly should not be praised because they are doing a diservice to the uni — they are showing too much green. If they want to be “traditionalist”, they should wear it the correct way as demonstrated below by Rickey, Reggie, and Rollie:
    http://www.sportspos...

    http://sportsillustr...
    http://i16.ebayimg.c...

  • Grundy | April 24, 2009 at 10:32 am |

    I love how back in 1995 the head coach said, “The uniform gives us an identity distinct from all others in the NFL” and 14 years later the new head coach is saying the same thing about the new uniforms. The original uniforms were definitely different, but the new ones are so easily forgettable. That is until someone gets blinded by those helmets.

  • Grundy | April 24, 2009 at 10:34 am |

    RE: None of the flickr links (in other words, basically all of the links in the ticker) are working for me. Is everyone having that problem?

    They just take a long time to load and sometimes they time out before fully loading.

  • u2-horn | April 24, 2009 at 10:34 am |

    flickr links are woring fine for me

  • DenverGregg | April 24, 2009 at 10:34 am |

    [quote comment=”325776″]. . . Man, when will the pajama bottoms trend ever END!?[/quote]
    When the pajama bottoms become footy pajamas with little eyelets for the cleats.

  • MPowers1634 | April 24, 2009 at 10:35 am |

    [quote comment=”325804″]Paul-

    Can you please explain what you meant by “new non-automotive logo and uniforms” in reference to the Jaguars? I’m not familiar with the automotive angle.

    Thank you![/quote]

    One of the original Jags uni designs was very similar to that of the Jaguar car company:

    http://www.thelighti...

    http://www.ssur.org/...
    Oh, and BTW…the first players that I can recall doing the pants-in-shoe deal were
    Joe Carter and Sheff:

    Sorry to all the Phils phans…this should be a little less painful nowadays:

    http://www.ontheblac...
    http://image2.online...

  • u2-horn | April 24, 2009 at 10:35 am |

    [quote comment=”325819″]flickr links are woring fine for me[/quote]
    working!

  • JTH | April 24, 2009 at 10:36 am |

    [quote comment=”325805″][quote comment=”325800″]None of the flickr links (in other words, basically all of the links in the ticker) are working for me. Is everyone having that problem?[/quote]

    Also can’t open flickr links[/quote]
    Yep. Flikr appears to be having some issues this morning, but I’m sure that’ll clear up shortly.

    The real problem is that the babysitter software is BLOCKING THAT ROBERTO CLEMENTE PICTURE that everyone is gushing about.

  • Judd | April 24, 2009 at 10:37 am |

    Most people incorrectly think of themselves as red or blue… or talk about so-called Red States or Blue States.

    I hold that it is far, far more accurate to think of a state (or each person) as a shade of purple. And yes, I do understand the irony of mentioning this on UniWatch!

    Most people would be hard pressed to consider themselves as 100% red or 100% blue. Just like Yin and Yang, it cannot be, nor should it be. This is a far more accurate depiction of the USA:

    http://upload.wikime...

  • JTH | April 24, 2009 at 10:38 am |

    Uh, yeah. As soon as I post that, sure enough, Flickr seems to be back to normal.

  • Ricko | April 24, 2009 at 10:39 am |

    [quote comment=”325816″]If I may, the A’s are special because of their Gold sani’s, green stirups, and white shoes. Because of that combo, in my opinion Outman and Wimberly should not be praised because they are doing a diservice to the uni — they are showing too much green. If they want to be “traditionalist”, they should wear it the correct way as demonstrated below by Rickey, Reggie, and Rollie:
    http://www.sportspos...

    http://sportsillustr...
    http://i16.ebayimg.c...

    I addressed that a little a while back. In context of their time, if you wore your stirrups as high as Outman and Wimberly, your pants were worn lower to meet them. Generally, the informal “rule of cool” (and not just for the A’s) was The Higher the Stirrup the Lower the Pants (and vice versa, because plenty of players still wore low stirrups…Bando, Tenace, Campaneris).

    —Ricko

  • LI Phil | April 24, 2009 at 10:39 am |

    and thru the magic of MS Paint…

    we have: two jaguars

    see the resemblance?

    /me neither

  • MPowers1634 | April 24, 2009 at 10:39 am |

    [quote comment=”325821″][quote comment=”325804″]Paul-

    Can you please explain what you meant by “new non-automotive logo and uniforms” in reference to the Jaguars? I’m not familiar with the automotive angle.

    Thank you![/quote]

    One of the original Jags uni designs was very similar to that of the Jaguar car company:

    http://www.thelighti...

    http://www.ssur.org/...
    Oh, and BTW…the first players that I can recall doing the pants-in-shoe deal were
    Joe Carter and Sheff:

    Sorry to all the Phils phans…this should be a little less painful nowadays:

    http://www.ontheblac...
    http://image2.online...

    A few more of the S.I.P. trendsetters:

    Bonds:
    http://images.usatod...

    Larkin:
    http://z.about.com/d...

  • MPowers1634 | April 24, 2009 at 10:42 am |

    [quote comment=”325823″][quote comment=”325805″][quote comment=”325800″]None of the flickr links (in other words, basically all of the links in the ticker) are working for me. Is everyone having that problem?[/quote]

    Also can’t open flickr links[/quote]
    Yep. Flikr appears to be having some issues this morning, but I’m sure that’ll clear up shortly.

    The real problem is that the babysitter software is BLOCKING THAT ROBERTO CLEMENTE PICTURE that everyone is gushing about.[/quote]

    JTH, cuz I love ya:
    http://i256.photobuc...

  • War Damn Eagle | April 24, 2009 at 10:44 am |

    quotes from Jags players about the new uniforms:

    Players talk about new uniforms

    Maurice Jones-Drew – “I love it. The fit definitely is something a player needs so he can’t get grabbed, especially receivers and corners. But more than anything the material keeps you cool in the hot games and warm in the cool games. So I definitely think Reebok and everyone did a good job working and getting us fit.”

    David Garrard – “It really feels like a t-shirt. If you think about the Dri-Fit t-shirts that are out now, it really fits and feels like that. Drew Hampton, our equipment guy, has been telling us all these different percentages of how it will remain lighter and it will be cooler on the hotter days. So hopefully all that stuff will play out and allow us to be better, more physical and a team with a little bit more energy and not getting so burned up out there on the field.”

    Brad Meester – “I think the uniform looks great. It fits great and I think it’s going to allow us to move really well, so I know we’re really excited about it.”

  • Geeman | April 24, 2009 at 10:45 am |

    [quote comment=”325816″]If I may, the A’s are special because of their Gold sani’s, green stirups, and white shoes. Because of that combo, in my opinion Outman and Wimberly should not be praised because they are doing a diservice to the uni — they are showing too much green. If they want to be “traditionalist”, they should wear it the correct way as demonstrated below by Rickey, Reggie, and Rollie:
    http://www.sportspos...

    http://sportsillustr...
    http://i16.ebayimg.c...

    Those A’s uniforms are some of the all-time best. But I also like the current A’s uniforms. I’m a black-shoe guy, but for some reason the white shoes with the A’s work. I know Paul and Phil don’t like “softball” (colored) jerseys, but you have to give props to the green and gold jerseys of the A’s. I wish they’d bring back a gold jersey today, to match their current design. Or least a BP jersey. Ditch the black.

  • Ricko | April 24, 2009 at 10:45 am |

    “Oh, and BTW…the first players that I can recall doing the pants-in-shoe deal were
    Joe Carter and Sheff:”

    Barry Bonds, too. But I was talking about first to tuck pants into lowcuts. Should have made that clear. Sorry.

    Looks dumb either way, though.

    Baseball’s taking a cue from cricket…or even golf. It’s becoming a game played in long pants. Tiger’d look pretty dumb with his trousers tucked into his soft spikes, don’t ya think?

    —Ricko

  • JTH | April 24, 2009 at 10:45 am |

    [quote comment=”325762″]In terms of associating colours with political parties, while the right wing in the US is given the red colour and left wing blue, in Canada its more or less the opposite, the more right wing party is given blue, the liberal party – red, and the NDP (workers party – orange).

    The red colour associated with the GOP I’ve always found ironic, as I link red it to communism/socialism.[/quote]
    Y’know, something that often seems to get overlooked in this discussion is the Revolutionary War angle. The “right wing” Redcoats were fighting to maintain the status quo whereas the “left wing” revolutionaries were clad in blue.

  • War Damn Eagle | April 24, 2009 at 10:46 am |

    Article about Braves rookie Jordan Schafer toning down his look this season. He ditched his flashy red glove and wore collared shirts to the ballpark during spring training. The article also mentions that he and Matt Diaz use mouthguards when batting. Finally, Braves rookies are required to wear neckties on the road, not just a collared shirt and jacket.

    http://www.ajc.com/s...

  • JTH | April 24, 2009 at 10:47 am |

    [quote comment=”325829″][quote comment=”325823″][quote comment=”325805″][quote comment=”325800″]None of the flickr links (in other words, basically all of the links in the ticker) are working for me. Is everyone having that problem?[/quote]

    Also can’t open flickr links[/quote]
    Yep. Flikr appears to be having some issues this morning, but I’m sure that’ll clear up shortly.

    The real problem is that the babysitter software is BLOCKING THAT ROBERTO CLEMENTE PICTURE that everyone is gushing about.[/quote]

    JTH, cuz I love ya:
    http://i256.photobuc...
    You are a gentleman and a scholar.

  • Ricko | April 24, 2009 at 10:48 am |

    “A few more of the S.I.P. trendsetters:”

    Or should that be P.I.S.?

  • MPowers1634 | April 24, 2009 at 10:52 am |

    [quote comment=”325832″]”Oh, and BTW…the first players that I can recall doing the pants-in-shoe deal were
    Joe Carter and Sheff:”

    Barry Bonds, too. But I was talking about first to tuck pants into lowcuts. Should have made that clear. Sorry.

    Looks dumb either way, though.

    Baseball’s taking a cue from cricket…or even golf. It’s becoming a game played in long pants. Tiger’d look pretty dumb with his trousers tucked into his soft spikes, don’t ya think?

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Kenny Lofton was one of ’em:

    http://www.baseball-...

  • LI Phil | April 24, 2009 at 10:52 am |

    [quote comment=”325836″]”A few more of the S.I.P. trendsetters:”

    Or should that be P.I.S.?[/quote]

    piss

  • Ricko | April 24, 2009 at 10:53 am |

    [quote comment=”325838″][quote comment=”325836″]”A few more of the S.I.P. trendsetters:”

    Or should that be P.I.S.?[/quote]

    piss[/quote]

    Pants InSide Shoes?

  • MPowers1634 | April 24, 2009 at 10:54 am |

    [quote comment=”325837″][quote comment=”325832″]”Oh, and BTW…the first players that I can recall doing the pants-in-shoe deal were
    Joe Carter and Sheff:”

    Barry Bonds, too. But I was talking about first to tuck pants into lowcuts. Should have made that clear. Sorry.

    Looks dumb either way, though.

    Baseball’s taking a cue from cricket…or even golf. It’s becoming a game played in long pants. Tiger’d look pretty dumb with his trousers tucked into his soft spikes, don’t ya think?

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Kenny Lofton was one of ’em:

    http://www.baseball-...

    Check out this pic of Lofton: The pants braid? looks as if it’s continued by the stirrup.

    http://i297.photobuc...

  • Geeman | April 24, 2009 at 10:56 am |

    [quote comment=”325830″]quotes from Jags players about the new uniforms:

    Players talk about new uniforms

    Maurice Jones-Drew – “I love it. The fit definitely is something a player needs so he can’t get grabbed, especially receivers and corners. But more than anything the material keeps you cool in the hot games and warm in the cool games. So I definitely think Reebok and everyone did a good job working and getting us fit.”

    David Garrard – “It really feels like a t-shirt. If you think about the Dri-Fit t-shirts that are out now, it really fits and feels like that. Drew Hampton, our equipment guy, has been telling us all these different percentages of how it will remain lighter and it will be cooler on the hotter days. So hopefully all that stuff will play out and allow us to be better, more physical and a team with a little bit more energy and not getting so burned up out there on the field.”

    Brad Meester – “I think the uniform looks great. It fits great and I think it’s going to allow us to move really well, so I know we’re really excited about it.”[/quote]

    The fit’s fine, guys. We’re talking about the design and why the Jags had to ditch the great uniform they started with for these new blahs.

    As for cooler unis, I guess that means they won’t follow Florida teams’ tradition and wear white at home for day games anymore.

  • LI Phil | April 24, 2009 at 10:58 am |

    [quote comment=”325840″]Check out this pic of Lofton: The pants braid? looks as if it’s continued by the stirrup.

    http://i297.photobuc...

    those aint stirrups

  • War Damn Eagle | April 24, 2009 at 11:01 am |

    Check out this image from inside the Jags’ training facility. They have a massive wall of college football helmets, presumably representing every player on the Jags’ roster. There’s a tremendous variety of facemask styles and helmet styles:

    http://forum.jaguars...

  • Ricko | April 24, 2009 at 11:04 am |

    Check out this pic of Lofton: The pants braid? looks as if it’s continued by the stirrup.

    http://i297.photobuc

    I always wondered if that look (Royals could sort do the same thing with their unis) didn’t lead to the ankle length style, because the first player I noticed wearing his pants that long was Jose Lind…while he was with Kansas City.

    Thought maybe players figured that apparent one long stripe from waist to shoetop looked cool…so they just had their pants tailored longer.

    –Ricko

  • War Damn Eagle | April 24, 2009 at 11:05 am |

    [quote comment=”325843″]Check out this image from inside the Jags’ training facility. They have a massive wall of college football helmets, presumably representing every player on the Jags’ roster. There’s a tremendous variety of facemask styles and helmet styles:

    http://forum.jaguars...

    And, yes, those are the Murray brothers.

  • John | April 24, 2009 at 11:07 am |

    In regards to the red/blue issue, I’m not sure why but I think that red has been somehow tied into the gay movement for many years. Having worked at an amusemt park many, many years ago, every summer there would be an unofficial “gay day” where all gays would go and wear red. Red was always the color.

  • MPowers1634 | April 24, 2009 at 11:08 am |

    [quote comment=”325845″][quote comment=”325843″]Check out this image from inside the Jags’ training facility. They have a massive wall of college football helmets, presumably representing every player on the Jags’ roster. There’s a tremendous variety of facemask styles and helmet styles:

    http://forum.jaguars...

    And, yes, those are the Murray brothers.[/quote]

    A few years back, Bill was my nephews little league coach!

  • Hott Rodd | April 24, 2009 at 11:10 am |

    Didn’t red states/blue states just come about fairly recently, around 2000 IIRC? Was it on this board that we had this discussion back in November?

  • Glen H | April 24, 2009 at 11:11 am |

    [quote comment=”325828″][quote comment=”325821″][quote comment=”325804″]Paul-

    Can you please explain what you meant by “new non-automotive logo and uniforms” in reference to the Jaguars? I’m not familiar with the automotive angle.

    Thank you![/quote]

    One of the original Jags uni designs was very similar to that of the Jaguar car company:

    http://www.thelighti...

    http://www.ssur.org/...
    Oh, and BTW…the first players that I can recall doing the pants-in-shoe deal were
    Joe Carter and Sheff:

    Sorry to all the Phils phans…this should be a little less painful nowadays:

    http://www.ontheblac...
    http://image2.online...

    A few more of the S.I.P. trendsetters:

    Bonds:
    http://images.usatod...

    Larkin:
    http://z.about.com/d...

    You have to give them some slack. It was the high top days. It was easier to just tuck them in.

  • Jim | April 24, 2009 at 11:12 am |

    [quote comment=”325828″][quote comment=”325821″][quote comment=”325804″]Paul-

    Can you please explain what you meant by “new non-automotive logo and uniforms” in reference to the Jaguars? I’m not familiar with the automotive angle.

    Thank you![/quote]

    One of the original Jags uni designs was very similar to that of the Jaguar car company:

    http://www.thelighti...

    http://www.ssur.org/...
    Oh, and BTW…the first players that I can recall doing the pants-in-shoe deal were
    Joe Carter and Sheff:

    Sorry to all the Phils phans…this should be a little less painful nowadays:

    http://www.ontheblac...
    http://image2.online...

    A few more of the S.I.P. trendsetters:

    Bonds:
    http://images.usatod...

    Larkin:
    http://z.about.com/d...

    If you look closely at the Larkin pic (left leg) it looks like he his wearing stirrups with long pants.

  • Mike Engle | April 24, 2009 at 11:14 am |

    [quote comment=”325850″][quote comment=”325828″][quote comment=”325821″][quote comment=”325804″]Paul-

    Can you please explain what you meant by “new non-automotive logo and uniforms” in reference to the Jaguars? I’m not familiar with the automotive angle.

    Thank you![/quote]

    One of the original Jags uni designs was very similar to that of the Jaguar car company:

    http://www.thelighti...

    http://www.ssur.org/...
    Oh, and BTW…the first players that I can recall doing the pants-in-shoe deal were
    Joe Carter and Sheff:

    Sorry to all the Phils phans…this should be a little less painful nowadays:

    http://www.ontheblac...
    http://image2.online...

    A few more of the S.I.P. trendsetters:

    Bonds:
    http://images.usatod...

    Larkin:
    http://z.about.com/d...

    If you look closely at the Larkin pic (left leg) it looks like he his wearing stirrups with long pants.[/quote]
    Modern example: Albert Pujols tucks the ends of his pants into his shoes.

  • MPowers1634 | April 24, 2009 at 11:17 am |

    [quote comment=”325851″][quote comment=”325850″][quote comment=”325828″][quote comment=”325821″][quote comment=”325804″]Paul-

    Can you please explain what you meant by “new non-automotive logo and uniforms” in reference to the Jaguars? I’m not familiar with the automotive angle.

    Thank you![/quote]

    One of the original Jags uni designs was very similar to that of the Jaguar car company:

    http://www.thelighti...

    http://www.ssur.org/...
    Oh, and BTW…the first players that I can recall doing the pants-in-shoe deal were
    Joe Carter and Sheff:

    Sorry to all the Phils phans…this should be a little less painful nowadays:

    http://www.ontheblac...
    http://image2.online...

    A few more of the S.I.P. trendsetters:

    Bonds:
    http://images.usatod...

    Larkin:
    http://z.about.com/d...

    If you look closely at the Larkin pic (left leg) it looks like he his wearing stirrups with long pants.[/quote]
    Modern example: Albert Pujols tucks the ends of his pants into his shoes.[/quote]

    Vlad, too:

    http://i.usatoday.ne...

  • War Damn Eagle | April 24, 2009 at 11:21 am |

    why don’t more players wear headbands on the field? it’s a cryin’ shame. : )

    http://sportsillustr...

  • Ry Co 40 | April 24, 2009 at 11:29 am |

    [quote comment=”325853″]why don’t more players wear headbands on the field? it’s a cryin’ shame. : )

    http://sportsillustr...

    is that a DIY jersey?!?! lol

  • Ricko | April 24, 2009 at 11:33 am |

    [quote comment=”325849″][quote comment=”325828″][quote comment=”325821″][quote comment=”325804″]Paul-

    Can you please explain what you meant by “new non-automotive logo and uniforms” in reference to the Jaguars? I’m not familiar with the automotive angle.

    Thank you![/quote]

    One of the original Jags uni designs was very similar to that of the Jaguar car company:

    http://www.thelighti...

    http://www.ssur.org/...
    Oh, and BTW…the first players that I can recall doing the pants-in-shoe deal were
    Joe Carter and Sheff:

    Sorry to all the Phils phans…this should be a little less painful nowadays:

    http://www.ontheblac...
    http://image2.online...

    A few more of the S.I.P. trendsetters:

    Bonds:
    http://images.usatod...

    Larkin:
    http://z.about.com/d...

    You have to give them some slack. It was the high top days. It was easier to just tuck them in.[/quote]

    It’s still high (or med) top days for an awful of players, I think. We just don’t see the entire shoe all that often. Tucking could also have led to baggier pants worn outside the shoes. because pants tucked may have created a blister issue for some players (always looked uncomfortable to me; memories of combat boots). Better to just make the pants a little less tight and wear ’em outside…like warmups.

    And it caught on because, as someone mentioned here, it is extraordinarily comfortable for playing ball.

    —Ricko

  • coachie ballgames | April 24, 2009 at 11:35 am |

    Following up on the No Mas and Uni Watch campaign to keep calling it Shea, I took some photoshop liberties to transform “Citi Field” into “Shea Field”

    http://sheahey.blogs...

  • Ricko | April 24, 2009 at 11:35 am |

    I was talking about PIS with high tops creating a blister problem. Hence the reference to combat boots.

  • pk | April 24, 2009 at 11:38 am |

    [quote comment=”325842″][quote comment=”325840″]Check out this pic of Lofton: The pants braid? looks as if it’s continued by the stirrup.

    http://i297.photobuc...

    those aint stirrups[/quote]and neither are these!!

  • pk | April 24, 2009 at 11:39 am |

    http://www.nydailyne...

    would help if I posted the link too

  • pk | April 24, 2009 at 11:40 am |

    damn it…just go to pic # 9

  • LI Phil | April 24, 2009 at 11:45 am |

    [quote comment=”325860″]damn it…just go to pic # 9[/quote]

    s’ok…i fixed it for ya in the orig post ;)

  • Stuck | April 24, 2009 at 11:49 am |

    In much of the world, blue is actually the conservative color and red is the liberal color. The decision to give US Dems blue and US Cons red was partly tongue-in-cheek and partly random.

  • JTH | April 24, 2009 at 11:51 am |

    [quote comment=”325861″][quote comment=”325860″]damn it…just go to pic # 9[/quote]

    s’ok…i fixed it for ya in the orig post ;)[/quote]
    showoff.

  • pk | April 24, 2009 at 12:00 pm |

    thank you phil….I owe you! (and to be honest, as a big a Jets fan I am, I had no idea she was connected to the Jets)…

  • Ricko | April 24, 2009 at 12:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”325842″][quote comment=”325840″]Check out this pic of Lofton: The pants braid? looks as if it’s continued by the stirrup.

    http://i297.photobuc...

    those aint stirrups[/quote]

    Technically, they are “knit-in stirrups” (which of course is at least as oxymoronic as “open-faced sandwich”).

    —Ricko

  • Casey | April 24, 2009 at 12:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”325763″]About :30 seconds in to the end….(After the ad, I believe that BASES LOADED is the first video game to promentily show stirrups!

    http://www.gametrail...

    Nope. RBI Baseball came out before Bases Loaded, with stirrups on the batters…
    http://www.freewebs....

  • LI Phil | April 24, 2009 at 12:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”325865″][quote comment=”325842″][quote comment=”325840″]Check out this pic of Lofton: The pants braid? looks as if it’s continued by the stirrup.

    http://i297.photobuc...

    those aint stirrups[/quote]

    Technically, they are “knit-in stirrups” (which of course is at least as oxymoronic as “open-faced sandwich”).

    —Ricko[/quote]

    google “softball socks” and see what comes up

  • hofflalu | April 24, 2009 at 12:18 pm |

    Well, this is interesting: I was looking at the FinHeaven.com forums to see if there was any news on a new/revised Dolhpins uniform, and found this comment about NFL.com:

    http://www.finheaven... (scroll to comment #27)

    *************************

    It is pretty interesting that moving the cursor over the Dolphins, Jags, Lions, and Niners logos at the top of NFL.com makes them move slightly to the right, yet no other logo does that. Perhaps just a coincidence, but damn, that is a pretty big coincidence.

    *************************

  • MPowers1634 | April 24, 2009 at 12:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”325865″][quote comment=”325842″][quote comment=”325840″]Check out this pic of Lofton: The pants braid? looks as if it’s continued by the stirrup.

    http://i297.photobuc...

    those aint stirrups[/quote]

    Technically, they are “knit-in stirrups” (which of course is at least as oxymoronic as “open-faced sandwich”).

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Thank you…Greg Maddux and Terry Steinbach thought they were also:

    http://i.cdn.turner....

    https://www.beckett....

  • mmwatkin | April 24, 2009 at 12:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”325867″][quote comment=”325763″]About :30 seconds in to the end….(After the ad, I believe that BASES LOADED is the first video game to promentily show stirrups!

    http://www.gametrail...

    Nope. RBI Baseball came out before Bases Loaded, with stirrups on the batters…
    http://www.freewebs....

    Such an amazing game…it gets in own remix song

    http://www.youtube.c...

  • Jonathan | April 24, 2009 at 12:22 pm |

    I am getting married a week from tomorrow. I saw awhile back a picture on here on some guy who wore stirrups under his tux pants. I am thinking that would be pretty cool..even tough i would be the only one to really know i was wearing them. Does anyone know where i could order a good pair of them?

  • Adrian B | April 24, 2009 at 12:26 pm |

    http://forum.jaguars...

    you can see the new jag helmet with bass boat effect on the table.

  • pk | April 24, 2009 at 12:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”325871″][quote comment=”325867″][quote comment=”325763″]About :30 seconds in to the end….(After the ad, I believe that BASES LOADED is the first video game to promentily show stirrups!

    http://www.gametrail...

    Nope. RBI Baseball came out before Bases Loaded, with stirrups on the batters…
    http://www.freewebs....

    Such an amazing game…it gets in own remix song

    http://www.youtube.c...

    Thanks! I stand Corrected…does that particular screen capture = game 6 of the ’86 series?

  • MPowers1634 | April 24, 2009 at 12:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”325872″]I am getting married a week from tomorrow. I saw awhile back a picture on here on some guy who wore stirrups under his tux pants. I am thinking that would be pretty cool..even tough i would be the only one to really know i was wearing them.

    Does anyone know where i could order a good pair of them?[/quote]

    Get them in a week…that’ll be tough.

    If you want a maroon/white or forest/white with a northwestern stripe, I’ll just sen em to you…consider them a wedding gift from UW:

    http://i.cdn.turner....

  • lee | April 24, 2009 at 12:29 pm |

    When I saw the Jason Larue mismatched equipment along with the facial hair I immediately thought of a slightly updated nod to Thurman Munson.

  • Hott Rodd | April 24, 2009 at 12:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”325872″]I am getting married a week from tomorrow. I saw awhile back a picture on here on some guy who wore stirrups under his tux pants. I am thinking that would be pretty cool..even tough i would be the only one to really know i was wearing them.

    Does anyone know where i could order a good pair of them?[/quote]

    Jonathan,

    When I got married I wore High top chucks with black and white striped socks. It made for awesome pictures when I was on one knee taking her garter off to throw it. So it is possible that those stirrups may show.

  • Jonathan | April 24, 2009 at 12:35 pm |

    to MPowers1634.. Thanks for the offer. But I would probably need just a black pair, or a black and red pair. I realize i am cutting it pretty close and may not be able to get them.

  • Flip | April 24, 2009 at 12:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”325782″]Loved those original Jaguars uniforms, with the block numerals. Never should have changed them.

    The new ones are just depressing. Ugh.[/quote]

    Agreed. http://farm4.static....

  • Jim Bullard | April 24, 2009 at 12:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”325872″]I am getting married a week from tomorrow. I saw awhile back a picture on here on some guy who wore stirrups under his tux pants. I am thinking that would be pretty cool..even tough i would be the only one to really know i was wearing them.

    Does anyone know where i could order a good pair of them?[/quote]

    I just ordered some stirrups for softball yesterday. I searched for them on Amazon, and some good options came up at inexpensive prices.

  • MPowers1634 | April 24, 2009 at 12:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”325878″]to MPowers1634..

    Thanks for the offer. But I would probably need just a black pair, or a black and red pair. I realize i am cutting it pretty close and may not be able to get them.[/quote]

    http://www.amazon.co...

    http://www.baseballe...

    http://www.baseballe...

  • Flip | April 24, 2009 at 12:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”325768″]in my opinion. perfect stirrup length:

    http://imagecache5.a...

    This is Flip and I approve this comment. http://farm2.static....

  • MPowers1634 | April 24, 2009 at 12:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”325879″][quote comment=”325782″]Loved those original Jaguars uniforms, with the block numerals. Never should have changed them.

    The new ones are just depressing. Ugh.[/quote]

    Agreed. http://farm4.static....

    Dig the Apex One cleats.

  • Flip | April 24, 2009 at 12:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”325777″]I guess that whole if you build it they will come thing is a crock of shit

    http://sports.espn.g...

    Given lower Manhattan’s role in wrecking the economy and the publicity given about the obscene salaries and the high cost of the tickets, would you want to be seen in those seats?

  • LI Phil | April 24, 2009 at 12:49 pm |

    [quote]I am getting married a week from tomorrow. I saw awhile back a picture on here on some guy who wore stirrups under his tux pants. I am thinking that would be pretty cool..even tough i would be the only one to really know i was wearing them.[/quote]

    hopefully not the only one

    /condolences best wishes!

  • Jonathan | April 24, 2009 at 12:50 pm |

    I got lazy and just posted my question on here before doing much research.. Thanks for posting those links. I think i probably waited too long though. I am doubting i can get them before next weekend.

  • Flip | April 24, 2009 at 12:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”325831″][quote comment=”325816″]If I may, the A’s are special because of their Gold sani’s, green stirups, and white shoes. Because of that combo, in my opinion Outman and Wimberly should not be praised because they are doing a diservice to the uni — they are showing too much green. If they want to be “traditionalist”, they should wear it the correct way as demonstrated below by Rickey, Reggie, and Rollie:
    http://www.sportspos...

    http://sportsillustr...
    http://i16.ebayimg.c...

    Those A’s uniforms are some of the all-time best. But I also like the current A’s uniforms. I’m a black-shoe guy, but for some reason the white shoes with the A’s work. I know Paul and Phil don’t like “softball” (colored) jerseys, but you have to give props to the green and gold jerseys of the A’s. I wish they’d bring back a gold jersey today, to match their current design. Or least a BP jersey. Ditch the black.[/quote]

    I like the A’s look, but boy does it look weird when somebody like Frank Thomas is traded to Oakland. It takes a brain adjustment. Still, a good look. http://img.slate.com...

  • kindredspirit | April 24, 2009 at 1:02 pm |

    If you go to nfl.com and hover over the Dolphins logo at the top of the page, it appears to change to a different logo.

  • Bob A | April 24, 2009 at 1:11 pm |

    From the “Weird things that show up on newspaper blogs” dept:
    Jerry Lewis wearing stirrups while taking bp in the Astrodome circa 1966.
    Little bit of the backstory here.

  • Carl | April 24, 2009 at 1:14 pm |

    …Milwaukee’s MECCA floor has been purchased.

    http://www.jsonline....

    Great design.

  • Gretchen | April 24, 2009 at 1:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”325820″][quote comment=”325776″]. . . Man, when will the pajama bottoms trend ever END!?[/quote]
    When the pajama bottoms become footy pajamas with little eyelets for the cleats.[/quote]

    You mean like these men’s gymnastics pants?
    http://www.milanoleo...

  • Ry Co 40 | April 24, 2009 at 1:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”325878″]to MPowers1634..

    Thanks for the offer. But I would probably need just a black pair, or a black and red pair. I realize i am cutting it pretty close and may not be able to get them.[/quote]

    hey phil… how much you wanna bet “1634” is his pin number??? hahaha. kidding matt (hopefully)!

  • Geeman | April 24, 2009 at 1:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”325887″][quote comment=”325831″][quote comment=”325816″]If I may, the A’s are special because of their Gold sani’s, green stirups, and white shoes. Because of that combo, in my opinion Outman and Wimberly should not be praised because they are doing a diservice to the uni — they are showing too much green. If they want to be “traditionalist”, they should wear it the correct way as demonstrated below by Rickey, Reggie, and Rollie:
    http://www.sportspos...

    http://sportsillustr...
    http://i16.ebayimg.c...

    Those A’s uniforms are some of the all-time best. But I also like the current A’s uniforms. I’m a black-shoe guy, but for some reason the white shoes with the A’s work. I know Paul and Phil don’t like “softball” (colored) jerseys, but you have to give props to the green and gold jerseys of the A’s. I wish they’d bring back a gold jersey today, to match their current design. Or least a BP jersey. Ditch the black.[/quote]

    I like the A’s look, but boy does it look weird when somebody like Frank Thomas is traded to Oakland. It takes a brain adjustment. Still, a good look. http://img.slate.com...

    Yes, and just goes to show you that certain things have their place. You know, like an all-one-color uniform works in basketball but not in football or baseball.

  • LI Phil | April 24, 2009 at 1:35 pm |

    [quote]hey phil… how much you wanna bet “1634″ is his pin number???[/quote]

    not anymore it’s not

  • Justin B. | April 24, 2009 at 1:37 pm |

    Came across this great button today…

    http://www.gasolinea...

  • Ry Co 40 | April 24, 2009 at 1:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”325888″]If you go to nfl.com and hover over the Dolphins logo at the top of the page, it appears to change to a different logo.[/quote]

    just looks like it gets bigger. notice they didn’t change the lions logo

  • Ry Co 40 | April 24, 2009 at 1:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”325894″][quote]hey phil… how much you wanna bet “1634″ is his pin number???[/quote]

    not anymore it’s not[/quote]

    you thinkin’ it’s back to the regular 1234 then? haha

  • JTH | April 24, 2009 at 1:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”325895″]Came across this great button today…

    http://www.gasolinea...
    You don’t find that offensive? You don’t find that sexist?

    This is 1953, Bobbi. C’mon!

    That’s right, it’s 1953! Get out of the ’30s. We don’t have this mentality anymore.
    Well, you should have seen the button they wanted to do! It wasn’t a pitchfork, believe me.

  • u2-horn | April 24, 2009 at 2:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”325897″][quote comment=”325894″][quote]hey phil… how much you wanna bet “1634″ is his pin number???[/quote]

    not anymore it’s not[/quote]

    you thinkin’ it’s back to the regular 1234 then? haha[/quote]

    bosco

  • LI Phil | April 24, 2009 at 2:06 pm |

    oh…to comment on the tap or the seinfeld reference…

  • MPowers1634 | April 24, 2009 at 2:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”325892″][quote comment=”325878″]to MPowers1634..

    Thanks for the offer. But I would probably need just a black pair, or a black and red pair. I realize i am cutting it pretty close and may not be able to get them.[/quote]

    hey phil… how much you wanna bet “1634” is his pin number??? hahaha. kidding matt (hopefully)![/quote]

    Nope…Bosco

  • Flip | April 24, 2009 at 2:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”325855″][quote comment=”325849″][quote comment=”325828″][quote comment=”325821″][quote comment=”325804″]Paul-

    Can you please explain what you meant by “new non-automotive logo and uniforms” in reference to the Jaguars? I’m not familiar with the automotive angle.

    Thank you![/quote]

    One of the original Jags uni designs was very similar to that of the Jaguar car company:

    http://www.thelighti...

    http://www.ssur.org/...
    Oh, and BTW…the first players that I can recall doing the pants-in-shoe deal were
    Joe Carter and Sheff:

    Sorry to all the Phils phans…this should be a little less painful nowadays:

    http://www.ontheblac...
    http://image2.online...

    A few more of the S.I.P. trendsetters:

    Bonds:
    http://images.usatod...

    Larkin:
    http://z.about.com/d...

    You have to give them some slack. It was the high top days. It was easier to just tuck them in.[/quote]

    It’s still high (or med) top days for an awful of players, I think. We just don’t see the entire shoe all that often. Tucking could also have led to baggier pants worn outside the shoes. because pants tucked may have created a blister issue for some players (always looked uncomfortable to me; memories of combat boots). Better to just make the pants a little less tight and wear ’em outside…like warmups.

    And it caught on because, as someone mentioned here, it is extraordinarily comfortable for playing ball.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Shouldn’t it be PISS? Pants In Shoes Shit?

  • MPowers1634 | April 24, 2009 at 2:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”325902″][quote comment=”325892″][quote comment=”325878″]to MPowers1634..

    Thanks for the offer. But I would probably need just a black pair, or a black and red pair. I realize i am cutting it pretty close and may not be able to get them.[/quote]

    hey phil… how much you wanna bet “1634” is his pin number??? hahaha. kidding matt (hopefully)![/quote]

    Nope…Bosco[/quote]
    Now it’s P.H.I.L.

  • Flip | April 24, 2009 at 2:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”325768″]in my opinion. perfect stirrup length:

    http://imagecache5.a...

    Ah, Roberto. The ultimate five-tool player. His body looked good in any uniform. http://www.medaloffr...
    http://imagecache.al...
    https://ssl.post-gaz...
    http://imagecache.al...

  • Oakville Endive | April 24, 2009 at 2:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”325833″][quote comment=”325762″]In terms of associating colours with political parties, while the right wing in the US is given the red colour and left wing blue, in Canada its more or less the opposite, the more right wing party is given blue, the liberal party – red, and the NDP (workers party – orange).

    The red colour associated with the GOP I’ve always found ironic, as I link red it to communism/socialism.[/quote]
    Y’know, something that often seems to get overlooked in this discussion is the Revolutionary War angle. The “right wing” Redcoats were fighting to maintain the status quo whereas the “left wing” revolutionaries were clad in blue.[/quote]

    And thus the Columbus Blue Jackets

    Most political movements seem to adopt a very vibrant colour. The one that comes to mind was the one in Ukraine a couple of years ago which adopted orange as its colour. Bright colours I guess is associated with passion.

    Which also seems consistent with sports cars, which are often brightly coloured, at least in a disproportionate amount relative to the entire car population.

    Considering sports team want their fans to be passionate, I wonder why more don’t adopt brighter colors. Saskatchewan Roughriders account for over 40% of all merchandise sales in the CFL – their predominant colour – bright green (not Seahawks neon green).

  • Craig | April 24, 2009 at 2:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”325832″]
    Baseball’s taking a cue from cricket…or even golf. It’s becoming a game played in long pants. Tiger’d look pretty dumb with his trousers tucked into his soft spikes, don’t ya think?
    [/quote]

    Perhaps Tiger should try on what REAL golfers wear
    http://stevengalen.c...

  • Scott Gleeson Blue | April 24, 2009 at 2:58 pm |

    Just want to say that I’m very appreciative that the Jaguar chatter has continued into a day 3 and have not found it at all horse floggy: simply comforting and cathartic. I’m sure that as I’ve thumbed through years of books and various trading cards, I have observed significant erosion of design quality across teams and leagues, but between the Jags and the Lions, it seems an inflection point has been reached. As for the Jags, the sudden absence of gold and a de-emphasis of teal, these come off as botched USFL designs. Additionally, please awaken me when the use of thicker “piping” as a stripe accent stops.

  • Beardface | April 24, 2009 at 3:06 pm |

    Wonder if NASCAR will come out with memorial stickers for the death of Pontiac?

  • Geen | April 24, 2009 at 3:46 pm |

    They didn’t for Oldsmobile …

  • Macca P. | April 24, 2009 at 3:51 pm |

    Second, the pants-IN-shoes look isn’t “tight”. It’s really, really, really stupid.

    Granted, the ankle-length-look started that way with guys like Jose Offerman and Jose Lind. But it’s like watching some city dude tuck his jeans into his Tony Lama’s and think he stylin’ like a sure ’nuff cowpoke…when he really just looks like a dork. So, almost by default, pants outside shoes looks better. If you gotta have one or the other.

    —Ricko

    I moved to Brooklyn from Texas a few years ago, and shotgunning cowboy boots is one of my non-uni fashion pet peeves. (It always reminds me of the Seinfeld in which Jerry has to wear boots while his sneakers are being detailed by Mom and Pop. “Hey, cowboy…where’s yo’ horse?”) If you want to wear cowboy boots in the city, be my guest, but at least act like you know. It’s easy to pick up a few tips from someone who wore them well. This really is the perfect analogy to the sad state of contemporary baseball fashion. MLB, or each team, ought to sit down every rookie and tell him, “Alright, kiddo, this is how it’s done.”

  • K | April 24, 2009 at 4:27 pm |

    [quote]John Grupp of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review interviewed me yesterday on the topic of Nyjer Morgan’s stirrups (I resisted the urge to suggest that he talk to Gary Cohen and Ron Darling). Article will run on Sunday, I’m told.[/quote]
    Did you mention that he wears them backwards? I want to ask Nyjer if he’s aware of this, but with the way he’s been playing lately, I don’t want to jinx him.

  • LI Phil | April 24, 2009 at 4:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”325912″][quote]John Grupp of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review interviewed me yesterday on the topic of Nyjer Morgan’s stirrups (I resisted the urge to suggest that he talk to Gary Cohen and Ron Darling). Article will run on Sunday, I’m told.[/quote]
    Did you mention that he wears them backwards? I want to ask Nyjer if he’s aware of this, but with the way he’s been playing lately, I don’t want to jinx him.[/quote]

    umno he doesn’t

  • Chris M | April 24, 2009 at 4:46 pm |

    49er’s uniforms LEAKED in new Madden 10 screens:

    http://maddennfl.eas...

    Sidenote: Lame they made them look cartoony for Wii
    Sidenote #2: Can they possibly injure 2 players on the cover this year?

  • Pendolino | April 24, 2009 at 4:49 pm |

    Paul–
    My dad had a relatively successful baseball career, having spent most of it as a pitcher in the Pacific Coast League when it carried an “Unclassified” designation. The league was so designated because it was like a third major league before air travel shrank the country. Most of the team travel in those days was by train and the occasional bus.

    He, like you and many of your readers, have been put off by the attire of today’s baseball players with the long pants and generally sloppy attire. I sent him a copy of the recent Wall Street Journal article on the return of stirrups and he relayed the following story to me.

    In the early 1940’s, when he was playing for the Hollywood Stars, an outfielder for the San Francisco Seals by the name of Joe Brovia showed up for a game with long pants down to his shoe tops. The commissioner of the league, Clarence Rowland, was in attendance that day took one look at Brovia and called over the Seals’ manager, the great Lefty O’Doul. Rowland apparently said to Lefty, “You tell that guy to raise his pants and dress like a ballplayer or he is suspended until his does!” Joe immediately raised his pants.

    Maybe Bud can take similar action? …Nah!

    Keep up the good work.

  • Glen H | April 24, 2009 at 4:52 pm |

    [quote comment=\”325914\”]49er\’s uniforms LEAKED in new Madden 10 screens:

    http://maddennfl.eas...

    Sidenote: Lame they made them look cartoony for Wii
    Sidenote #2: Can they possibly injure 2 players on the cover this year?[/quote]

    These look cartoonish. Kind of like the NFL blitz of old

  • dave | April 24, 2009 at 4:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”325814″]in re: j’ville uni

    here’s what was originally proposed (posted that the other day, but relevant to the ‘lawsuit’ comments

    *EDIT* original helmet[/quote]

    Good thing they were forced to switch. Those are terrible. The NFL would have made them adjust them anyway, since there are no TV numbers on the right sleeve.

    By the way, what are those two pieces of striped material supposed to be (the ones above and below the helmet)? Is that a stripe on the side of the jersey? At first I thought it was a straight-on view of the sleeve, but if that’s the case, there would be another one for the left sleeve.

  • K | April 24, 2009 at 4:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”325913″][quote comment=”325912″][quote]John Grupp of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review interviewed me yesterday on the topic of Nyjer Morgan’s stirrups (I resisted the urge to suggest that he talk to Gary Cohen and Ron Darling). Article will run on Sunday, I’m told.[/quote]
    Did you mention that he wears them backwards? I want to ask Nyjer if he’s aware of this, but with the way he’s been playing lately, I don’t want to jinx him.[/quote]

    umno he doesn’t[/quote]
    Ok…. They sure looked backwards at all the games I attended so far this year.

  • BurghFan | April 24, 2009 at 5:08 pm |

    From late last night:

    I looked it up. It was the immortal Rex Johnston. No, Ricko, he’s not a legend in Pittsburgh.

    Thasssss him. Had no idea of his status in Pittsburgh. Thought maybe he’d be something of a somebody. I know I certainly can’t think of anyone who played both sports only for teams in the same city, esp. as late as 1964, which is when Johnston played for the Pirates.

    There’s Dieon Sanders’ tenure in Atlanta, of course, but he played for several different teams in both sports.

    At least people noticed Deion when he played. Johnston played 14 games for the ’64 Pirates and 12 (with all of 4 carries) for the 1960 Steelers, so he wouldn’t be remembered as more than the answer to a trivia question.

    No subsequent player leaps to mind. For fun, I’ll mention Gene Conley, who pitched for the Braves and Red Sox (and a couple of other teams), as well as playing for the Celtics.

  • =bg= | April 24, 2009 at 5:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”325883″][quote comment=”325879″][quote comment=”325782″]Loved those original Jaguars uniforms, with the block numerals. Never should have changed them.

    The new ones are just depressing. Ugh.[/quote]

    Agreed. http://farm4.static....

    Dig the Apex One cleats.[/quote]

    I got a ton of Cowboys Apex stuff from a contact @ Apex. Turf shoes, too, and man were they comfy.

    PS- check the Lasorda jersey. Tom LASORDA wore a size 44? FORTY-FOUR for that mound of pasta? We sure on that?

  • =bg= | April 24, 2009 at 5:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”325914″]49er’s uniforms LEAKED in new Madden 10 screens:

    http://maddennfl.eas...

    Sidenote: Lame they made them look cartoony for Wii
    Sidenote #2: Can they possibly injure 2 players on the cover this year?[/quote]

    Yeah, those are the Niners. The oppo’s WR blasting by the DBs on the way to the end zone. Seen that before. Over and over and over and over

  • JTH | April 24, 2009 at 5:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”325918″][quote comment=”325913″][quote comment=”325912″][quote]John Grupp of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review interviewed me yesterday on the topic of Nyjer Morgan’s stirrups (I resisted the urge to suggest that he talk to Gary Cohen and Ron Darling). Article will run on Sunday, I’m told.[/quote]
    Did you mention that he wears them backwards? I want to ask Nyjer if he’s aware of this, but with the way he’s been playing lately, I don’t want to jinx him.[/quote]

    umno he doesn’t[/quote]
    Ok…. They sure looked backwards at all the games I attended so far this year.[/quote]
    It’s always possible that he was wearing them backwards earlier this year, but if so, he switched back to the right way. The last time he played, this is how he wore them.

  • Kenny | April 24, 2009 at 5:29 pm |

    Not only did Rawlings make hockey gear, they made cooool hockey gear.

  • LI Phil | April 24, 2009 at 5:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”325922″][quote comment=”325918″][quote comment=”325913″][quote comment=”325912″][quote]John Grupp of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review interviewed me yesterday on the topic of Nyjer Morgan’s stirrups (I resisted the urge to suggest that he talk to Gary Cohen and Ron Darling). Article will run on Sunday, I’m told.[/quote]
    Did you mention that he wears them backwards? I want to ask Nyjer if he’s aware of this, but with the way he’s been playing lately, I don’t want to jinx him.[/quote]

    umno he doesn’t[/quote]
    Ok…. They sure looked backwards at all the games I attended so far this year.[/quote]
    It’s always possible that he was wearing them backwards earlier this year, but if so, he switched back to the right way. The last time he played, this is how he wore them.[/quote]

    i thought about that possibility, but (unless he’s really flakey), would a pro ball player really randomly switch up?

    april 7, 2009

    april 18, 2009

    april 21, 2009

    now…granted, in the first two pics it’s impossible to tell if he has the high side in the back…but if you look at the height of the front (in the first pic) and the height of the back (in the second)…it’s obviously higher in the back — and in the third, where it’s clear he’s wearing them properly, the heights correspond nicely to the heights in the first two pics

    /not sayin’ he didn’t wear ’em backwards ever, just sayin’ i can’t find a single pic where he did

  • Nick | April 24, 2009 at 5:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”325920″][quote comment=”325883″][quote comment=”325879″][quote comment=”325782″]Loved those original Jaguars uniforms, with the block numerals. Never should have changed them.

    The new ones are just depressing. Ugh.[/quote]

    Agreed. http://farm4.static....

    Dig the Apex One cleats.[/quote]

    I got a ton of Cowboys Apex stuff from a contact @ Apex. Turf shoes, too, and man were they comfy.

    PS- check the Lasorda jersey. Tom LASORDA wore a size 44? FORTY-FOUR for that mound of pasta? We sure on that?[/quote]

    Pretty sure I read in an earlier UW posting – or maybe even an equipment manager interview – that Lasorda had the size tags in his personal unis changed to a smaller size even though they were truly larger. Something along the lines of wearing 44 pants but insisting that the company change the size tag to 38, etc.

    If anybody remembers more detail on that, please fill us in …..

  • =bg= | April 24, 2009 at 5:36 pm |

    http://www.cnbc.com/...

    Shoe deals for the NFL top picks?
    I don’t think so.

  • LI Phil | April 24, 2009 at 5:37 pm |

    april 20, 2009

    april 16, 2009

    correct there too

  • Nick | April 24, 2009 at 5:55 pm |

    MY CORRECTION/CLARIFICATION
    REGARDING THE METS and THEIR WEARING BLACK

    Yesterday I posted that upon my very first sighting og the Mets incorporating Black into their unis, and upon seeing the revolting sight of the mixture of Blacl/Blue/Orange and White, my first thought was that the Mets should DITCH THE BLUE on their alternate jerseys. That posting was meet with howls from longtime Mets fans, with proposals involving my banning for the mention of such blasphemy. I apologize for any insult to Mets loyalists that want the true, Blue identity of the Mets to return. I too share that desire. That said, I stand by my thoughts on the subject, and with this clarification perhaps you may begin to soften your opposition.

    First, my original sighting involved not a Black Mets Jersey – which I believe needs to go away altogether – but the Mets wearing a regular home uni with wording, cap, numbers and EVERYTHING trimmed with both Black and Blue. My thoughts involved simply replacing the Blue of the regular home uni with alternate Black, thus creating a Black/Orange/White alternate uni, and saving us entirely from the four color monstrosity.

    Second, insofar as the Black jersey, Black hat/Black helmet alternate is concerned, the ditching of any element can’t save that uni from being the beer league softball uni that it really is.

    My comment on DITCHING THE BLUE solely involves my Black/Orange/White or Gray alternate proposal relative to a White or Gray jersey uniform, which is made for one reason only – to save us from the Black/Blue/Orange combo.

    OBJECTIVELY SPEAKING, and SEEING, which of the alternatives are worse, my Black/Orange/White or Gray alternate proposal that temporarily eliminates the Blue from the alternate,or the Black/Blue/Orange and White or Gray combo that currently plagues us?

  • James Craven | April 24, 2009 at 6:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”325799″]“The ankle-length-look started that way with guys like Jose Offerman and Jose Lind.”[/quote]
    Check that. Do the name George Hendrick ring a bell?

  • Jeff | April 24, 2009 at 6:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”325921″][quote comment=”325914″]49er’s uniforms LEAKED in new Madden 10 screens:

    http://maddennfl.eas...

    Sidenote: Lame they made them look cartoony for Wii
    Sidenote #2: Can they possibly injure 2 players on the cover this year?[/quote]

    Yeah, those are the Niners. The oppo’s WR blasting by the DBs on the way to the end zone. Seen that before. Over and over and over and over[/quote]

    Am I missing something? Where are the 49ers?

  • LI Phil | April 24, 2009 at 6:28 pm |

    nick,

    check my piece tomorrow (i started work on your ‘modest proposal’ on wednesday when you suggested it — there should be 5 or 6 done by tomorrow [though 3 of them involve the black alt since you didn’t clarify your position until now ;)] … 5 are done, and i hope to finish the sixth tonight)

  • Stoops | April 24, 2009 at 6:58 pm |

    RE: the Jags equipment room helmets-we used to trade other teams helmets or helmet stickers-depending on budget etc. But we would usually get a rejected helmet and put the decals on-even a few award/merit stickers. But we would just pick any mask-no one ever said hey I want an opo, jop, njop or anything. It was neat just to swap-I used to have a ton of other teams decals-we always put one on our cabinat which where we actually kept our decals-so it was covered!

    Oh I was on NFL.com and I had others do the same-those logos do not do anything!

    -Stoops

  • Tom Farley | April 24, 2009 at 6:59 pm |

    Well, you should have seen the button they wanted to do! It wasn’t a pitchfork, believe me.
    That comment goes to 11, JTH. :-)

  • LarryB | April 24, 2009 at 7:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”325919″]From late last night:

    I looked it up. It was the immortal Rex Johnston. No, Ricko, he’s not a legend in Pittsburgh.

    Thasssss him. Had no idea of his status in Pittsburgh. Thought maybe he’d be something of a somebody. I know I certainly can’t think of anyone who played both sports only for teams in the same city, esp. as late as 1964, which is when Johnston played for the Pirates.

    There’s Dieon Sanders’ tenure in Atlanta, of course, but he played for several different teams in both sports.

    At least people noticed Deion when he played. Johnston played 14 games for the ’64 Pirates and 12 (with all of 4 carries) for the 1960 Steelers, so he wouldn’t be remembered as more than the answer to a trivia question.

    No subsequent player leaps to mind. For fun, I’ll mention Gene Conley, who pitched for the Braves and Red Sox (and a couple of other teams), as well as playing for the Celtics.[/quote]

    Not postivie but didn’t Dave Debuchere (sp) Play 2 sports? Maybe picthed for the White Sox. I seem to rmember having a baseball card with him.

  • JR Boucicaut | April 24, 2009 at 7:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”325771″]http://cgi.ebay.com.my/Pgh-Penguins-Rawlings-ca-70s-Blue-Hockey-Gloves-Clean_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQitemZ120379968599

    Sweet Rawlings hockey gloves right there.[/quote]

    Brett Hull wore these in the 1996 ASG.

    http://www.pace-desi...

    Apologies for the small pic – my buddy has a pair.

  • Jonee | April 24, 2009 at 7:52 pm |

    Has anyone seen this, yet? St. Johns is looking for a new mascot and the choices border on the ridiculous.

    http://redstormsport...

  • The Hemogoblin | April 24, 2009 at 8:18 pm |

    I’m alive.

    I have nothing to contribute… but I’m alive.

    Commence not noticing my absence… NOW!!

  • Jonee | April 24, 2009 at 8:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”325932″]RE:

    Oh I was on NFL.com and I had others do the same-those logos do not do anything!

    -Stoops[/quote]

    Except Miami’s where the dolphin appears to grow larger and the ring of fire doubles. Might just be a little bug.

  • Ricko | April 24, 2009 at 9:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”325929″][quote comment=”325799″]“The ankle-length-look started that way with guys like Jose Offerman and Jose Lind.”[/quote]
    Check that. Do the name George Hendrick ring a bell?[/quote]

    Hendrick never wore his pants so low that no sock whatsoever showed. But, yeah, he definitely was the pioneer of the “downward trend.” In retrospect people think he wore them lower than he did, because it was so low compared to everyone else at the time. But as I said, as best I recall, his pants always stopped right above the ankle bone. And he always wore lowcuts; he played before the hightop era.

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | April 24, 2009 at 9:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”325934″][quote comment=”325919″]From late last night:

    I looked it up. It was the immortal Rex Johnston. No, Ricko, he’s not a legend in Pittsburgh.

    Thasssss him. Had no idea of his status in Pittsburgh. Thought maybe he’d be something of a somebody. I know I certainly can’t think of anyone who played both sports only for teams in the same city, esp. as late as 1964, which is when Johnston played for the Pirates.

    There’s Dieon Sanders’ tenure in Atlanta, of course, but he played for several different teams in both sports.

    At least people noticed Deion when he played. Johnston played 14 games for the ’64 Pirates and 12 (with all of 4 carries) for the 1960 Steelers, so he wouldn’t be remembered as more than the answer to a trivia question.

    No subsequent player leaps to mind. For fun, I’ll mention Gene Conley, who pitched for the Braves and Red Sox (and a couple of other teams), as well as playing for the Celtics.[/quote]

    Not postivie but didn’t Dave Debuchere (sp) Play 2 sports? Maybe picthed for the White Sox. I seem to rmember having a baseball card with him.[/quote]

    Oh, there’s been a number of two-sport athletes. My point was that Rex Johnston’s careers were extremely brief, that they were in the same town, and that they were the only teams he ever played with. That’s the quirkiness of it.

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | April 24, 2009 at 9:24 pm |

    And that it happened as late as the 1960s. I imagine there may have been a number of such “game here, game there” stories from the 1920s through the ’40s during the earlier days of both baseball and pro football.

  • Patrick in MI | April 24, 2009 at 9:25 pm |

    A while back, Paul linked to a guy who collects pocket schedules. Anyone recall that or how I can find him? I was going through archives at work and I found a pocket sked from 1977 for the Detroit Lions.

    P.S: Indians just scored…

  • Ricko | April 24, 2009 at 9:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”325937″]I’m alive.

    I have nothing to contribute… but I’m alive.

    Commence not noticing my absence… NOW!![/quote]

    Glad you’re okay. I figured maybe you were just holing up in your dorm room with your 13-inch TV, a couple cases of Red Bull and a magnifying glass until you could say you’d read every single word of the fight song lyric on Oregon’s new pinstripes.

    —Ricko

  • Skycat | April 24, 2009 at 9:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”325931″]nick,

    check my piece tomorrow (i started work on your ‘modest proposal’ on wednesday when you suggested it — there should be 5 or 6 done by tomorrow [though 3 of them involve the black alt since you didn’t clarify your position until now ;)] … 5 are done, and i hope to finish the sixth tonight)[/quote]
    I think we’ve discussed this before, but I would love to see an orange alternate jersey. I know there was once an orange batting practice jersey, but it was kind of pathetic.

  • =bg= | April 24, 2009 at 9:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”325929″][quote comment=”325799″]“The ankle-length-look started that way with guys like Jose Offerman and Jose Lind.”[/quote]
    Check that. Do the name George Hendrick ring a bell?[/quote]

    Q: “How do you spell Offerman?”
    A: “One ‘O’ and 30 or 35 ‘E’s.”

  • =bg= | April 24, 2009 at 10:01 pm |

    One more then I go watch Lincecum mow down the D-Backs..

    “Clothes are no big deal, if you can’t close the deal.” How true. (See Lions, Detroit.)

    http://www.cbssports...

  • =bg= | April 24, 2009 at 10:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”325942″]A while back, Paul linked to a guy who collects pocket schedules. Anyone recall that or how I can find him? I was going through archives at work and I found a pocket sked from 1977 for the Detroit Lions.

    P.S: Indians just scored…[/quote]

    Well, that might have been me? I sent him scans of a ton of them I had in the 70’s–but I don’t collect them now.

  • JTH | April 24, 2009 at 10:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”325944″][quote comment=”325931″]nick,

    check my piece tomorrow (i started work on your ‘modest proposal’ on wednesday when you suggested it — there should be 5 or 6 done by tomorrow [though 3 of them involve the black alt since you didn’t clarify your position until now ;)] … 5 are done, and i hope to finish the sixth tonight)[/quote]
    I think we’ve discussed this before, but I would love to see an orange alternate jersey. I know there was once an orange batting practice jersey, but it was kind of pathetic.[/quote]
    The way I see it, if you’re going to keep black and drop one of the original colors, blue is the one to keep. Kill the blue and you’re just a Giants or Orioles clone.

    But nobody else in the NL uses royal blue and black. Plus, you still get to hang on to the “one color from the Dodgers, one color from the Giants” tradition.

    Or just piss all over tradition and change to black and red. You still have the Dodgers/Giants connection that way.

  • LI Phil | April 24, 2009 at 10:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”325948″][quote comment=”325944″][quote comment=”325931″]nick,

    check my piece tomorrow (i started work on your ‘modest proposal’ on wednesday when you suggested it — there should be 5 or 6 done by tomorrow [though 3 of them involve the black alt since you didn’t clarify your position until now ;)] … 5 are done, and i hope to finish the sixth tonight)[/quote]
    I think we’ve discussed this before, but I would love to see an orange alternate jersey. I know there was once an orange batting practice jersey, but it was kind of pathetic.[/quote]
    The way I see it, if you’re going to keep black and drop one of the original colors, blue is the one to keep. Kill the blue and you’re just a Giants or Orioles clone.

    But nobody else in the NL uses royal blue and black. Plus, you still get to hang on to the “one color from the Dodgers, one color from the Giants” tradition.

    Or just piss all over tradition and change to black and red. You still have the Dodgers/Giants connection that way.[/quote]

    check in tomorrow, james…

    the “nick concepts” are coming

    perhaps after that the “JTHmets” can be tackled

  • JTH | April 24, 2009 at 10:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”325927″]april 20, 2009

    april 16, 2009

    correct there too[/quote]
    OK, one other possibility… Most players who wear stirrups show very little white. Case in point, the guy mentioned in today’s lead entry.

    When you see a guy like Morgan from the front, it’s a heck of a lot more white than you normally see from a guy in stirrups. Therefore, it might look like they’re on backwards.

  • JTH | April 24, 2009 at 10:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”325949″]perhaps after that the “JTHmets” can be tackled[/quote]
    my favorite squadron

  • BurghFan | April 24, 2009 at 10:35 pm |

    A while back, Paul linked to a guy who collects pocket schedules. Anyone recall that or how I can find him? I was going through archives at work and I found a pocket sked from 1977 for the Detroit Lions.

    http://www.uniwatchb...

  • Michael Emody | April 24, 2009 at 11:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”325914″]49er’s uniforms LEAKED in new Madden 10 screens:

    http://maddennfl.eas...

    Sidenote: Lame they made them look cartoony for Wii
    Sidenote #2: Can they possibly injure 2 players on the cover this year?[/quote]

    Ok… so you’re saying the 49er’s will be wearing Arizona Cardinal uniforms next year?

  • Samuel Lam | April 24, 2009 at 11:50 pm |

    The A’s now have officially switched to all black batting helmets to go with their black alternate tops. They used to wear the regular green/gold helmets. Also, the team’s undershirts are black as well.

  • Johnny O | April 25, 2009 at 12:38 am |

    Did Marte of the Yanks have the special “Yankee Stadium” patch on his hat tonight? I just say the highlights on SC, and changed the channel, so I can’t rewind to get a screen grab. Anyone else see this tonight? Or was I mistaken?

  • =bg= | April 25, 2009 at 12:59 am |

    Look for a Stafford Lions jersey on NFLShop.com.
    Ka CHING.

    http://sports.yahoo....

  • drizzle | April 25, 2009 at 2:18 pm |

    According to today’s Fort Worth Star-Telegram, Millwood received a letter yesterday from MLB telling him to stop wearing the HK cap.