That Sound You Just Heard Was Ricko’s Head Going Kablooey

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If you haven’t been following the comments lately, you might be unaware of an argument that’s been playing out regarding the Broncos’ 1962 helmets. I’ve got some additional fat to throw onto that fire today.

First, the basics: In 1962, the Broncos began the season wearing an orange helmet with a colored bronco logo decal. But the colored bronco was soon changed to white. It’s not clear, at least to me, at what point the color-to-white changeover took place — maybe during preseason, maybe early the in regular season, maybe midway through — but that’s not the big issue. The larger question is whether the colored logo was brown or light blue. Both sides have their partisans, but nobody’s been able to turn up a color photo from ’62, so visual “proof” is limited to the interpretation of old b&w photos.

The “blue logo” camp is headed by Ricko, who has the advantage of having actually seen the Broncos play back in ’62. He says the notion that the horse was originally brown, “may be the most often-repeated error in the uniform, and therefore the most widely believed untruth. I’d really like to strangle the guy who made that first wrong throwback helmet.”

But now the other side is being heard from, primarily in the personage of Tom Jacobsen. He’s the Broncos collector who provided all the material for this post last summer. After seeing this controversy developing in the comments section, he got in touch with Gene Mingo, Frank Tripuka, and Jerry Strum all of whom played for the ’62 Broncos. Then he got back to me with the following:

They all said the logo was brown. The thought was, the team was making such a drastic uniform switch [from brown/gold to orange/blue] that the brown horse logo would bridge the gap between the old and the new in terms of fan recognition. Lame thought, to me, but that was the logic. Could all these guys be wrong or have foggy memories? Sure, but until somebody has a color photo, I’m taking the players’ word over anyone else’s.

Tom also checked with Patrick Scoggins, who’s the guy behind this Broncos uni history page. Patrick cc’d me on his reply to Tom, as follows:

I have also seen/read this [about the horse having been blue, not brown] — it’s not a new theory. Not a single source proclaiming this, however, has ever been able to substantiate their claim with any iron-clad evidence. That said, it should be noted that there doesn’t seem to be anyone in the “brown logo” camp that could provide supporting evidence either. From my standpoint, I do not have any color photos from early in the ’62 season that could definitively put this to rest, one way or the other.

But here’s a bit of background: Several years ago, both myself and another helmet historian (can’t remember his name right off the top of my head) worked with a marketing guy from Riddell (Ken Draznick) who was trying to pin down all of the different AFL/NFL helmet variations because they were, at the time, planning to do a fairly large release of mini/micro helmet variations. In all of our communications re: the “early ’62″ helmet, we were much more focused on when the change to the white logo occurred; amongst the three of us, the understanding that the original logo was brown was sort of assumed or taken for granted. Maybe Ken had some previous supporting evidence or maybe he just took our word for it.

Subsequent to this bout of research, I conducted a phone interview with former coach/GM Jack Faulkner, who was the main guy responsible for the uni/helmet change in ’62. While I never asked him specifically, “What was the color of the original logo?”, there were several references to the “brown logo” during our conversation — references he never corrected or questioned.

At this point, I decided to cut to the chase do what I probably should have done all along: send a note to Helmet Hut prexy Curtis Worrell, who’s probably the most knowledgeable helmet historian in the business. Here’s his response:

Yeah, we have been pounded with e-mails about this one over the past couple of weeks. As you know, people make deductive reasons when they don’t have color photos. And some people just love to take the other side no matter what — those folks are always fun to deal with, ha!

We do not have color photos, but we’re searching right now with some organizations. We lean toward the brown bronco, because of the earlier helmets. Some people assume color coordination was as prevalent as it is today — “They wore blue socks, so you have to have a blue bronco.” But that’s just not the way it worked in the early days. I can give you example after example of non-color-coordinated setups. How bout using big 3″ black numbers on the side of the helmet with a navy blue stripe, like Illinois?

Curtis said he’d let me know if/when he turns anything up. Personally, I don’t have a dog in this fight — I’d just like to get the matter resolved. Which leads me to something else Curtis told me: “Don’t be so eager to clear things up or settle matters. This is what keeps people coming back and wanting more! I don’t want to know everything… some secrets are great! Keeps you young!” I know what he means — sometimes the mystery is more fun than its resolution. Still, I’d like to get this one settled. Stay tuned.

Uni Watch News Ticker: The Tigers pulled a much better April Fool’s stunt than I did. Here are some good pics of Curter Granderson, Magglio Ordoñez, and Brandon Inge (with thanks to Ben Kelly). … As for my hoax, it had legs. … And hey, the bogus jersey we mocked up is pretty much the same thing as a jersey Brian Fairleigh already owns. “I bought it in December of 2004,” he says. “It’s authentic Reebok, a Shaun Alexander replica.” … Second and third pics in this photo gallery show good views of the Phillies’ gold-trimmed Opening Night jerseys, along with their new alternate helmet (with thanks to Chris Ashworth). … Cool article here on USFL gumball helmets (with thanks to Jim Randsell, whose Sports Design Blog is worth checking out). … Someone really ought to get a Uni Watch membership card based on this design (with thanks to Eli Carr). … Here’s a Uni Watch-ish treatment of hospital scrubs (with thanks to Jason Hillyer). … Two tremendous auction finds by Bruce Menard: a 1929 Boston Braves jersey (be sure to click on the photo and check out the rear view) and a 1924 Bruins jersey. … And speaking of auctions, check out this Babe Ruth cap — especially the tattered but legible name tag (big thanks to David Brown). … Judging by this auction, it appears that Martin Brodeur sometimes marks the knob of his stick with the opponent’s city. Anyone know if he always does this? (As spotted by Jake Elwell.) … Another groom who wore athletic sox to his wedding: Mark Rybczyk, who wore stirrups (“unbeknownst to my wife,” he adds). … Interesting uni-numerical sequence here (nice find by Will Melbye). … NYC has a new soccer team, and Hugo Lindgren doesn’t like its name. … In case you hadn’t heard, the most ridiculous merch outlet ever is now open for business. … Brilliantly simple (with thanks to Jim Kohan). … Always fun to see how Michigan’s various teams incorporate the winged helmet motif (with thanks to Ethan Crooks). … Has Kevin Durant been wearing these sneakers for a while, or are they new? (As spotted by Brad Keppler.) … Latest baseball team to wear camouflage to “honor” the military: Wichita State. … Killer DIY work by Jim Vilk, who’s re-created the Cavs/Bullets ’76 playoff matchup out of Lego. “The players can pass and shoot,” he says, although we might need video to get the full effect. He’s also made a soccer game out of electric football figurines. … Speaking of DIY, Ryan Connelly has made himself an Outlaws mountain bike sweater. Here’s the backstory: “Back in 1995 or ’96, I played dek or floor hockey for a team called the Outlaws. I designed the team logo (arguably my first DIY project!), so i wanted to do a DIY with both a wordmark across the front and a racing number like they use in the Tour de France (white, on the back of the sweater). But instead of using my last name, I used an old user name I’ve had for years, Houndogg. I used the Outlaws skull and the outline of Pennsylvania for the left-sleeve patch [which looks really cool up close -- PL]. Nothing is sewn together — everything is glued together except the gray layer on the wordmark.” Good stuff, especially when you consider Ryan’s doing all of this in this workspace. … Still more DIYing, this time from Matt Powers, who teaches at a school that recently put on a production of Damn Yankees. “I ended up DIYing all of the templates for the logos on the uniforms, ordering the blank caps, as well as finding the stirrups at Twin City Knitting,” he says. “The seamstress, who is also one of the school’s security guards, and I have become fast friends! I was also charged with coming up with the T-shirt and marketing design for the play, most of which I subcontracted out to my sister, a graphic artist in Boston.” … Reprinted from yesterday’s comments: Color footage of the Bills, from 1964! … You might have heard that the Pirates lost to a community college team yesterday. What you probably hadn’t heard is that Pirates fans had designed a T-shirt mocking the college team. Details here. … Joe Alvaro reports that vendors at the new Yankee Stadium are all wearing reverse-field pinstriped jerseys and Yankee caps. The sleeve insignia is “Legends Hospitality.” And for those of you who don’t live in NYC, the calorie counts are required by law here at fast food outlets. … The Nuggets wore their green “Earth Week” uniform last night, forcing the Jazz to wear white on the road. They also had green headbands, green-trimmed sneakers, and special warm-up T-shirts. … The Bobcats will be wearing green uniforms tonight. And apparently the ball has green trim too.

 

238 comments to That Sound You Just Heard Was Ricko’s Head Going Kablooey

  • Robert in Dallas | April 3, 2009 at 8:26 am |

    I have never been a fan of my beloved Cornhuskers’ terrible Herbie Husker and Li’l Red mascots. Instead, I would love to see them use an old timey cutesy logo.

    While at Osceola County Stadium in Kissimmee for a Reds v. Astros game, I came across this.

    http://i62.photobuck...

    The Cornhuskers need to do something along these lines (unless, of course, they would give in and use a big ol’ corn rat as a mascot, which seems much less likely).

  • Robert in Dallas | April 3, 2009 at 8:27 am |

    And don’t pick on my Reds camo jersey. I love ‘em.

  • Matthew Hackethal | April 3, 2009 at 8:55 am |

    “You don’t necessarily grow up a Mets fan, but a David Wright fan, and your affinity changes when he changes teams,” said Dan Migala, director of the Graduate School of Sports Business at Northwestern University.

    douchebag

  • bdiamond | April 3, 2009 at 8:59 am |

    A lot of the Wizards were wearing the NBA green t-shirt during pre game warm ups too. However, they didn’t wear any green trimmed jerseys (They went with the throwback Zephyrs instead).

  • Artrip | April 3, 2009 at 9:04 am |

    Read this today http://www.charlotte... Apparently the Bobcats are doing the green thing too tonight against the Heat. Its weird to see a team whose primary colors are orange and blue don green and black jerseys.

  • Scott | April 3, 2009 at 9:05 am |

    Funny, imagine how much energy it took to manufacture, package and ship those stupid green jerseys for teams that have no green … on second though, not so funny.

    Dumb.

  • Ricko | April 3, 2009 at 9:06 am |

    Right. And the Vikings would have wore a green horn on their helmet if the decals had shown up in a different color than they ordered.

    Black and white numbers were the common decal colors for helmet numbers back then. Very few teams bothered with special orders. The Chargers numbers on the white helmets were black, too. So what. That doesn’t say anything about lack of color coordination, it just says they used the available color that best matched their unis.

    I’m willing to be wrong about the brown horse, but my business partner in my WHA-WTT days was sports editor of the Denver Post at the time of the switch from gold-brown to orange-blue and he told me it was blue (I asked him about it) but the team just didn’t think it showed up well enough against the orange helmet so they ordered white decals.

    The thing about the drastic, gut-wrenching aspect of the changing the color scheme color just sounds like a bunch of hooey. Where was the trauma in the color change? Was just the opposite. Everyone was exhilarated about the new colors. What the bonfire if they loved all things gold-brown? Besides, what’s the argument FOR the angst regarding the change? Had they sold so much gold-brown fan gear? Puh-leeze.Their “long tradition” of gold-brown? The team had been in existence a whole two years. Jesus.

    You can’t apply a 1990s “throwback” mindset to the thinking of team in 1962. That mindset didn’t exist. Again, it’s like asking, “What didn’t the people on the Titanic just use their cellphones to call for help?”

    One guy makes a dumb as, illogical assumption from his present day perspective about another era and suddenly it’s fact?

    —Ricko

  • LI Phil | April 3, 2009 at 9:07 am |

    [quote comment="321137"]“You don’t necessarily grow up a Mets fan, but a David Wright fan, and your affinity changes when he changes teams,” said Dan Migala, director of the Graduate School of Sports Business at Northwestern University.

    douchebag[/quote]

    +1

    no…you root for the laundry…and if the mets traded jose straight up for j-roll, for example, i’d be a fan of the mets shortstop

  • Bernard | April 3, 2009 at 9:08 am |

    Man, excellent work again Ry. Love that Outlaws hoodie!

  • Elena | April 3, 2009 at 9:10 am |

    I’ve worked scrubs sales as a hospital volunteer for several years. It’s always interesting to see the new designs the vendor brings. Most are pretty ugly–lots of Disney prints. One nurse always has to buy a set in every new solid color added each year–orange, yellow, red, lime, etc. They also have ones with a university sports logo-monogram, which are big sellers. We even sell a few Duke ones at the UNC Hospitals sales.

  • Roger Faso | April 3, 2009 at 9:21 am |

    While trying to find pics of the Broncos helmet, I came across these gems on ebay …

    http://stores.shop.e...

    I like the Texans decal. Reminds me of Jerry’s guitar pickin cousin.

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  • Ricko | April 3, 2009 at 9:32 am |

    LOL
    On a lighter note (as I reshape my head for the workday), thinking about the Jay Cutler trade…is it possible to go from one NFL team to another with LESS of a change in general uni look than going from the Broncos to the Bears?

    Or vice versa?

    And isn’t revamping a Butler #6 into a Cutler #6 about the easiest DIY jersey conversion imaginable? “Gimme a C!”

    About the trade. The key is those two first-round draft choices, because if wearing a Bears jersey effects Cutler the way it has effected other QBs it will turn him into Kyle Orton. Whereas wearing a Broncos jersey will turn Kyle Orton into…well, Kyle Orton.

    —Ricko
    (Somebody, please, find a color game-action photo of those early ’62 Bronco helmets!)

  • We Got Ns In The Backfield | April 3, 2009 at 9:39 am |

    Fascinating information on the Broncos helmet controversy!

    Now if we could just find some similar sources from Seattle’s past to prove/disprove the few games in 1976 when the Seahawks went with no logo on their helmet.

  • alex | April 3, 2009 at 9:40 am |

    I think Major League Baseball is coming up with something good in that store. Who knows, maybe when I go there, there will be a Darren O’Day shirt that couldn’t be found in the regular team store.

  • Mike | April 3, 2009 at 9:43 am |

    Re the Michigan catcher’s winged helmet – I never understood how they did that. In theory the catcher is wearing his helmet backwards under his helmet so that means the maize wing is on the wrong side. I was a catcher and usually wore my helmet forward when on the bench, during batting practice, etc. It sure would look stupid if that Michigan catcher wore his hat brim forward.

    This might just be a case where they should not try to adopt the football look. Ironically the team’s batting helmets don’t have the same winged look (at least the last time I saw them in person.)

  • Ricko | April 3, 2009 at 9:43 am |

    [quote comment="321148"]Fascinating information on the Broncos helmet controversy!

    Now if we could just find some similar sources from Seattle’s past to prove/disprove the few games in 1976 when the Seahawks went with no logo on their helmet.[/quote]

    That was done here a couple days ago.

  • Mike | April 3, 2009 at 9:46 am |

    I asked this aquestion a few days ago, but it was late in the day and I never got a reply. I’m hoping it’s just because not many people saw it.

    Is there a way for an amateur to do uni mockups like Paulie did recently? Or is special software and graphic training required? Is it just Photoshop? I’d love to play around with some ideas but have no idea how to make them look decent on paper. Any help is appreciated.

  • Mike | April 3, 2009 at 9:51 am |

    [quote comment="321142"][quote comment="321137"]“You don’t necessarily grow up a Mets fan, but a David Wright fan, and your affinity changes when he changes teams,” said Dan Migala, director of the Graduate School of Sports Business at Northwestern University.

    douchebag[/quote]

    +1

    no…you root for the laundry…and if the mets traded jose straight up for j-roll, for example, i’d be a fan of the mets shortstop[/quote]

    Maybe some or even most people root for the laundry, but that’s not to say many people don’t have player allegences (sp?). I think the dbag comment was a bit overboard. A good example is this year’s Billips / Iverson trade. I would bet more people in Detroit still root more for Chauncey.

  • Lomion | April 3, 2009 at 9:52 am |

    Looks like no one wiped the sweat off that basketball and it got all moldy. Totally gross.

  • Steve Naismith | April 3, 2009 at 9:54 am |

    “Helmet Hut prexy Curtis Worrell”

    MAKE IT STOP.

  • Paul Lukas | April 3, 2009 at 9:57 am |

    [quote comment="321155"]“Helmet Hut prexy Curtis Worrell”

    MAKE IT STOP.[/quote]

    Actually, what needs to stop is your whining about a simple word. If this word bugs you for some reason, guess whose problem that is? (Hint: Not mine or Phil’s.)

  • Steve Naismith | April 3, 2009 at 10:17 am |

    “If this word bugs you for some reason”

    It bugs me because you are using it incorrectly. Didn’t you write a whole column about incorrect apostrophe usage? How is using words incorrectly any different?

  • chance | April 3, 2009 at 10:21 am |

    The Miami Herald blog disputes reports of a Dolphins change this year:

    [quote]Occassionally my job is to play fireman, putting out fires started by rumor-mongers or amateur bloggers posing as reporters with sources that are neither accurate nor credible.

    One such continual fire fanned by various blog sites includes the seemingly annual rumor the Dolphins are about to change, tweak, adjust or altogether scrap their uniforms. The latest such rumor appeared on uniwatchblog.com.

    I’m not even going to repeat what the blog “reported.” But I will tell you it is not true.

    Dolphins president and chief operating officer Bryan Wiedmeier tells me that nothing about the Miami uniform is changing for the 2009 season. Regardless what unnamed uniform sources may be saying, the president of the team is saying otherwise.

    So Miami’s current white, aqua and orange continues unchanged in 2009. [/quote]
    “Amateur bloggers posing as reporters”? Really?

  • Matthew Hackethal | April 3, 2009 at 10:21 am |

    [quote comment="321153"][quote comment="321142"][quote comment="321137"]“You don’t necessarily grow up a Mets fan, but a David Wright fan, and your affinity changes when he changes teams,” said Dan Migala, director of the Graduate School of Sports Business at Northwestern University.

    douchebag[/quote]

    +1

    no…you root for the laundry…and if the mets traded jose straight up for j-roll, for example, i’d be a fan of the mets shortstop[/quote]

    Maybe some or even most people root for the laundry, but that’s not to say many people don’t have player allegences (sp?). I think the dbag comment was a bit overboard. A good example is this year’s Billips / Iverson trade. I would bet more people in Detroit still root more for Chauncey.[/quote]

    I was not suggesting that fans do not have allegiances to ceratin playes. I am a New York Rangers fan, but I also happen to be a big fan of Alex Ovechkin becuase I think he is the best thing to happen to the NHL since Gretzky and I like his style of play and his personality. When Sean Avery played for Detroit, Los Angeles and Dallas, I thought he was the most irritating player in hockey and I hated him. Now that he is back with the Rangers, I love the guy. What Mr. Migala was insinuating was that people do not grow up as fans of a particular team, but rater as fans of a particular player and that the fan’s allegiances will change and follow the player from team to team. That was perhaps the single most idiotic comment I haver heard or read all week. Let’s see this union store for what it is, another opportunity for fans to purchase overpriced crap and for overpaid ballplayers to stuff their pockets with our hard earned cash.

  • JTH | April 3, 2009 at 10:23 am |

    [quote comment="321147"]
    And isn’t revamping a Butler #6 into a Cutler #6 about the easiest DIY jersey conversion imaginable? “Gimme a C!”
    [/quote]
    You stealing my material now?

    *shakes fist angrily* (not easy to type and do that at the same time)

  • timmy b | April 3, 2009 at 10:24 am |

    Fascinating stuff on the Broncos helmet war of 1962!

    But one thing’s for certain, they did make a change DURING the season.

    This is a list (for trivia nerds) of teams that altered their helmet during the course of the regular/post season:

    1. Redskins 1958 (from plain gold to burgundy with the back feather for the last two games of the season (weeks 11 and 12))

    2. Cardinals 1960 (from plain white helmet to smirking cardinal in week 2)

    3. Broncos 1962 (from the horse of a different color to the white horse, game unknown)

    4. Steelers 1962 (from plain yellow with black stripe to the Steelmark on the right side in week 10 and then for the Playoff Bowl to the familiar black helmet)

    5. Saints 1968 (from a black-white-black stripe combo to a white-black-white stripe combo in c.week 4)

    6. Lions 1970 (from the charging honolulu blue lion to adding a white outline around the king of beasts in week 5)

    7. Dolphins 1973 (not necessarily a change, but some players wore two varients of the Dolphin logo; some with the mascot fully superimposed on the sunburst, some with the mascot half in/half out of the sunburst)

    This doesn’t count different helmet colors used in season (like the Lions and Cardinals of the 50’s or the 1969 Eagles) or throwbacks. It also does include the ’57-’61 Steelers player numbers that were added to the helmet during the season in some of these years.

    I’m not 100% but the 1954 Colts may have added the rear white horseshoes to their blue helmet during the season.

  • JTH | April 3, 2009 at 10:27 am |

    [quote comment="321157"]“If this word bugs you for some reason”

    It bugs me because you are using it incorrectly. Didn’t you write a whole column about incorrect apostrophe usage? How is using words incorrectly any different?[/quote]
    What’s incorrect about it? That it’s a slang expression? Slang is not permissible in a blog post?

  • nateisfunny | April 3, 2009 at 10:29 am |

    Have to say the green Bobcats jerseys are an upgrade, there are too few (full-time) green teams and fewer that do it right. Anyone with me?

  • Roger Faso | April 3, 2009 at 10:30 am |

    Is this patch official?

    http://www.conigliof...

  • LI Phil | April 3, 2009 at 10:36 am |

    [quote comment="321162"][quote comment="321157"]“If this word bugs you for some reason”

    It bugs me because you are using it incorrectly. Didn’t you write a whole column about incorrect apostrophe usage? How is using words incorrectly any different?[/quote]
    What’s incorrect about it? That it’s a slang expression? Slang is not permissible in a blog post?[/quote]

    prolly not

  • Glen | April 3, 2009 at 10:39 am |

    [quote comment=\"321147\"]LOL
    On a lighter note (as I reshape my head for the workday), thinking about the Jay Cutler trade…is it possible to go from one NFL team to another with LESS of a change in general uni look than going from the Broncos to the Bears?

    Or vice versa?

    And isn\’t revamping a Butler #6 into a Cutler #6 about the easiest DIY jersey conversion imaginable? \”Gimme a C!\”

    About the trade. The key is those two first-round draft choices, because if wearing a Bears jersey effects Cutler the way it has effected other QBs it will turn him into Kyle Orton. Whereas wearing a Broncos jersey will turn Kyle Orton into…well, Kyle Orton.

    —Ricko
    (Somebody, please, find a color game-action photo of those early \’62 Bronco helmets!)[/quote]

    Honestly,

    You think Orton is a bad quarterback? Who got them to the super bowl. It sure as hell wasn\’t Sexy Rexy who won all those games. Plus the Bears offensive lineup is anemic at best. The Broncos got the better deal. The Bears will continue to wallow in mediocrity

  • Ricko | April 3, 2009 at 10:41 am |

    Speaking of mid-season changes…

    I watched that entire 1964 Bills highlight film. That was the first year of those unis (the shoulder loop models had preceded it) and they wore high white socks on the road until about 3/4 of the way through the season. I believe it was their game in Oakland when they switched to the home blue socks on the road, a policy they continued as long as that uni set existed.

    —Ricko

  • JTH | April 3, 2009 at 10:41 am |

    [quote comment="321166"]
    Honestly,

    You think Orton is a bad quarterback? Who got them to the super bowl. It sure as hell wasn\’t Sexy Rexy who won all those games.[/quote]
    Kyle Orton’s Pro Bowl-caliber clipboard-holding got them there?

  • Glen | April 3, 2009 at 10:45 am |

    regular season…

  • Jim Bullard | April 3, 2009 at 10:45 am |

    Durant has been wearing those kicks for a while now.

  • Fight | April 3, 2009 at 10:48 am |

    uh, i don’t even know what to say about these: http://www.coreybrin...

    they are the jerseys for the Reds futures game. The black? Bad. The misaligned U? Bad. I do like the baseball underneath the word mark – gives it the feel of those old Astros jerseys.

  • anotherguy | April 3, 2009 at 10:48 am |

    A question for all of the NYC people: do they advertise Ice Cold beer because of the large number of European tourists who come to Yankees games?

    I’ve never really paid attention here, but I doubt any of the stands at either Comiskey or Wrigley say anything except Beer. (Or maybe just the brand.) The “cold” part is understood.

  • LI Phil | April 3, 2009 at 10:50 am |

    [quote comment="321168"]Speaking of mid-season changes…

    I watched that entire 1964 Bills highlight film. That was the first year of those unis (the shoulder loop models had preceded it) and they wore high white socks on the road until about 3/4 of the way through the season. I believe it was their game in Oakland when they switched to the home blue socks on the road, a policy they continued as long as that uni set existed.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    hey ricko,

    didn’t the ’62 bills have a blue buffalo on their helmet for the preseason … ya know, as an homage to the 60-61 team? and to ease the transition?

  • anotherguy | April 3, 2009 at 10:52 am |

    [quote comment="321141"]And the Vikings would have wore a green horn on their helmet… [/quote]Let’s not be mocking the Irish now, laddie…

    ;-)

  • Giancarlo | April 3, 2009 at 10:53 am |

    Who knew the Denver Broncos would provide such a rich mine of uni debate. So far we’ve seen
    1. single 1960 jersey vs. two jerseys
    2. mustard jersey vs. gold jersey (1960-61)
    (or Gulden’s vs. French’s)
    3. brown horsey vs. blue horsey
    4. Tennessee orange vs. non-Tennessee orange
    5. blank blue helmet or not
    6. orange pants – which years?
    7. did Bronco orange get darker – then later did it get lighter
    8. did Bronco blue get lighter
    9. side trim is a Nike swoosh or isn’t
    …any I’m missing?

  • JTH | April 3, 2009 at 10:55 am |

    [quote comment="321170"]regular season…[/quote]
    Regular season what? Kyle Orton didn’t take a single snap in the 2006 season. He was the emergency quarterback. Grossman started all 19 games. Brian Griese was the backup and Orton was the emergency QB.

  • anotherguy | April 3, 2009 at 10:55 am |

    [quote comment="321169"] It sure as hell wasn’t Sexy Rexy who won all those games.[/quote]

    As Prexy of the “Sexy Rexy Fan Club”, I resemble that remark.

  • Ricko | April 3, 2009 at 10:56 am |

    [quote comment="321160"][quote comment="321147"]
    And isn’t revamping a Butler #6 into a Cutler #6 about the easiest DIY jersey conversion imaginable? “Gimme a C!”
    [/quote]
    You stealing my material now?

    *shakes fist angrily* (not easy to type and do that at the same time)[/quote]

    Oh, man, did you mention that already and I missed it? Sorry about that.

  • Jeremy Brahm | April 3, 2009 at 10:56 am |

    I saw Durant’s shoes when the Thunder came into Portland before the All-Star break. I think that Nike designed them for the All-Star game and he has continued to wear them.

  • Wollen1 | April 3, 2009 at 10:58 am |

    Jay Cutler, your punishment for acting like a petulant child for the last few weeks is that you will never, ever be allowed to wear horizontally striped socks on the field. -Football Gods

  • anotherguy | April 3, 2009 at 10:58 am |

    [quote comment="321160"]You stealing my material now?

    *shakes fist angrily* (not easy to type and do that at the same time)[/quote]

    The Bears have told me I have the opportunity to preorder a Cutler jersey (shipment after number assignment).

    The jersey in their email has “Cutler” on the nameplate and “0” as the number. :-)

  • anotherguy | April 3, 2009 at 11:02 am |

    [quote comment="321175"]Been watching that league for 50+ years now, and there’s just something about the Bears and OB’s, [/quote]

    Oooh, you’re so close to our QB glory years with Sid Luckman!

    :-)

    Seriously, that’s been said numerous times here in Chicago. Luckman WAS the last good Bears QB. Very sad.

  • CWeb9 | April 3, 2009 at 11:04 am |

    Love the prices for concessions at the new Yankee Stadium. Five for Poland Spring water. Hilarious…

    Love the expression on the NYY stadium vendor even more…

  • Paul Lukas | April 3, 2009 at 11:05 am |

    [quote comment="321185"]Paul – why did I get deleted?[/quote]

    Because the whole “doucebag” thread never should have been started to begin with, so I’m killing it.

  • Grundy | April 3, 2009 at 11:08 am |

    I’m sure if the OKC team wanted to go “green” they would have a few green uni’s left over from the move ;)

  • DenverGregg | April 3, 2009 at 11:10 am |

    [quote comment="321178"]Who knew the Denver Broncos would provide such a rich mine of uni debate. So far we’ve seen
    1. single 1960 jersey vs. two jerseys
    2. mustard jersey vs. gold jersey (1960-61)
    (or Gulden’s vs. French’s)
    3. brown horsey vs. blue horsey
    4. Tennessee orange vs. non-Tennessee orange
    5. blank blue helmet or not
    6. orange pants – which years?
    7. did Bronco orange get darker – then later did it get lighter
    8. did Bronco blue get lighter
    9. side trim is a Nike swoosh or isn’t
    …any I’m missing?[/quote]
    I vaguely remember blue pants with the white jerseys in the very early 70s. Looked like a t-shirt and jeans.

  • anotherguy | April 3, 2009 at 11:11 am |

    [quote comment="321187"]Love the prices for concessions at the new Yankee Stadium. Five for Poland Spring water. Hilarious…

    Love the expression on the NYY stadium vendor even more…[/quote]

    Sure, $5 for water is a bit high: but don’t forget it’s ZERO CALORIE water!! There’s the big difference friend! :-)

    I have to assume that it’s a law that you have to disclose the calorie count in letters as big as the price, correct? That won’t cause any confusion.

  • JTH | April 3, 2009 at 11:13 am |

    [quote comment="321181"][quote comment="321160"][quote comment="321147"]
    And isn’t revamping a Butler #6 into a Cutler #6 about the easiest DIY jersey conversion imaginable? “Gimme a C!”
    [/quote]
    You stealing my material now?

    *shakes fist angrily* (not easy to type and do that at the same time)[/quote]

    Oh, man, did you mention that already and I missed it? Sorry about that.[/quote]
    Apology not needed. I was just having some fun with you.

    As has been said in the past, if we all had a nickel for every “repeat” post in the comments, we’d probably be a couple bucks richer.

  • Piping Mike | April 3, 2009 at 11:14 am |

    [quote comment="321188"][quote comment="321185"]Paul – why did I get deleted?[/quote]

    Because the whole “doucebag” thread never should have been started to begin with, so I’m killing it.[/quote]

    I am in full agreement with you, which is why I made my post saying I was changing my commenting moniker to avoid confusion with a same named person who was making the inappropriate comments. Please don’t delete this for a 3rd time.

    -Piping Mike (Fomerly one of multiple “Mike” commenters and not the making inappropriate attacks)

  • Ricko | April 3, 2009 at 11:14 am |

    [quote comment="321177"][quote comment="321141"]And the Vikings would have wore a green horn on their helmet… [/quote]Let’s not be mocking the Irish now, laddie…

    ;-)[/quote]

    Actually, maybe they would have worn them that first season…to symbolize being greenhorns in the NFL and all. I know,they could have worn them to “honor” the North Stars! In advance, since they wouldn’t exist for another five years.

    Y’know those black helmets the Saints once wore in preseason? I’ve never seen a game-action color photo, so I’ve looked carefully at the b&w photos I do have, and have concluded they weren’t black at all. No, sir. They were “honoring” Tulane and they were forest green with metallic light blue (like the Cowboys’ pants) and white trim. Yes, it’s wildly illogical, but what matters is that I’ve said it’s so, so it must be so. Right?

    (Please, don’t someone post a color photo of that Saints helmet. I’m just making a point about looking at 40-year-old photos and concocting far-fetched explanations out of the thinnest of air…and then inventing anachronistic pyscho-claptrap to explain them).

  • LI Phil | April 3, 2009 at 11:15 am |

    [quote] Five for Poland Spring water. Hilarious[/quote]

    what’s funnier is they know that the water in those bottles comes from the bathroom taps at citifield

  • Paul Lukas | April 3, 2009 at 11:15 am |

    [quote comment="321193"][quote comment="321188"][quote comment="321185"]Paul – why did I get deleted?[/quote]

    Because the whole “doucebag” thread never should have been started to begin with, so I’m killing it.[/quote]

    I am in full agreement with you, which is why I made my post saying I was changing my commenting moniker to avoid confusion with a same named person who was making the inappropriate comments. Please don’t delete this for a 3rd time.

    -Piping Mike (Fomerly one of multiple “Mike” commenters and not the making inappropriate attacks)[/quote]

    Simple way to avoid being mistaken for another person: Post under your full real name.

  • chance | April 3, 2009 at 11:16 am |

    Lots of cool uniform photos at the Robert Edward Auctions Spring 2009 preview.

    Anybody want to help me take up a collection? I think I’m in love.

  • Teebz | April 3, 2009 at 11:17 am |

    [quote comment="321196"]
    Simple way to avoid being mistaken for another person: Post under your full real name.[/quote]

    I’m legally changing my name then. LOL

  • Steve Patterson | April 3, 2009 at 11:18 am |

    Not that I support unretiring a number, but I find it interesting that Orton’s number is 18 (which he’ll have to change, and we’re wearing the ’60 throwbacks this season. It’s a pretty neat Frank Tripucka vibe.

  • anotherguy | April 3, 2009 at 11:19 am |

    [quote comment="321194"]concocting far-fetched explanations out of the thinnest of air…[/quote]
    When the Vikes first came into the league, they wanted all the luck they could get. So for their first exhibition games, they had pink hearts, green clovers, yellow moons and and orange stars on the side of their helmets.

    (Kindly backdate this post two days, willya?)

  • Ferdinand Cesarano | April 3, 2009 at 11:22 am |

    Hold on a second! It is not at all ridiculous for the Players’ Association to have merchandise. In truth, this should have happenned much sooner!

    I can remember wanting to show support for the players during the 1994 strike. It would have been inappropriate to wear team gear during that time; so I contacted the Players Association to buy some caps, jackets, shirts, etc. with the union’s logo on them — but they had none to sell!

    This was a shame, partly because I couldn’t use that means to show my allegiance, but also because their logo is beautiful, and worthy of display on purely aesthetic grounds: http://wpcontent.ans... (the guy is wearing stirrups, by the way). (Anyway, I hope that this store will be selling Players’ Association logo stuff, alongside the gear with players’ names.)

    I also vehemently object to the charge of douchbaggery levelled against the guy who pointed out that a fan’s rooting loyalty is both to the player and to the team! How can anyone deny that this is so?

    Furthermore, I completely understand the idea that a fan might withdraw his loyalty from one team and transfer it to a new team. If you have a favourite player who leaves your team, you as a fan have a perfect right to make the call at that point, to decide whether to stay with the player, or with the team. It is a highly personal reaction, one that is dictated by the same basic emotions that get you into the sport in the first place.

    I am no fan of the radio host Mike Francesa; but I have heard him talk many times of his beloved late brother, how he became a Cardinal fan after the Yankees traded Roger Maris, so outraged was he at that trade. This, to me, is just as approprate a reaction as staying a Yankee fan would have been.

  • Michael Emody | April 3, 2009 at 11:22 am |

    [quote comment="321178"]Who knew the Denver Broncos would provide such a rich mine of uni debate. So far we’ve seen
    1. single 1960 jersey vs. two jerseys
    2. mustard jersey vs. gold jersey (1960-61)
    (or Gulden’s vs. French’s)
    3. brown horsey vs. blue horsey
    4. Tennessee orange vs. non-Tennessee orange
    5. blank blue helmet or not
    6. orange pants – which years?
    7. did Bronco orange get darker – then later did it get lighter
    8. did Bronco blue get lighter
    9. side trim is a Nike swoosh or isn’t
    …any I’m missing?[/quote]

    Are you saying Uni Watch readers need to increase our obsessive/compulsive disorder meds? BTW, was Ricko seen in the 60’s wearing these?
    Also, I hope I’m not the Mike mentioned above, since I think Ricko is awesome, and thoroughly enjoyed constructing a rebuttal to his powder blue Sox theory a few months back.

  • JTH | April 3, 2009 at 11:23 am |

    [quote comment="321197"]
    Anybody want to help me take up a collection? I think I’m in love.[/quote]
    Well, that’s obviously a fake. I mean, c’mon. It’s BLUE! Why would the GREEN Bay Pakers wear BLUE? It doesn’t make any logical sense.

  • Ricko | April 3, 2009 at 11:24 am |

    [quote comment="321176"][quote comment="321168"]Speaking of mid-season changes…

    I watched that entire 1964 Bills highlight film. That was the first year of those unis (the shoulder loop models had preceded it) and they wore high white socks on the road until about 3/4 of the way through the season. I believe it was their game in Oakland when they switched to the home blue socks on the road, a policy they continued as long as that uni set existed.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    hey ricko,

    didn’t the ’62 bills have a blue buffalo on their helmet for the preseason … ya know, as an homage to the 60-61 team? and to ease the transition?[/quote]

    No, but they did retain the gray facemasks to help wean fans from the silver helmets and pants. I remember K-Mart complaining, too. Something about, “Great, how are we ever gonna sell another pair of gray sweatpants in Buffalo again?”

    Yeah, the whole econony shuddered from the impact of the change. It was quite devastating.

    —Ricko

  • Kevin Z. | April 3, 2009 at 11:26 am |

    Curtis Granderson, not Curter

  • KT | April 3, 2009 at 11:27 am |

    [quote comment="321166"]You think Orton is a bad quarterback? Who got them to the super bowl. It sure as hell wasn\’t Sexy Rexy who won all those games. [/quote]

    And the year the Bears went to the Super Bowl, Kyle Orton did not throw a pass.

    So it sure as hell wasn’t Kyle Orton who won all those games.

  • JF in DC | April 3, 2009 at 11:31 am |

    [quote comment="321187"]Love the prices for concessions at the new Yankee Stadium. Five for Poland Spring water. Hilarious…
    [/quote]
    And four bucks for a bag of potato chips?!?!?

    Calgon, take me away….

  • Ricko | April 3, 2009 at 11:40 am |

    [quote comment="321203"][quote comment="321197"]
    Anybody want to help me take up a collection? I think I’m in love.[/quote]
    Well, that’s obviously a fake. I mean, c’mon. It’s BLUE! Why would the GREEN Bay Pakers wear BLUE? It doesn’t make any logical sense.[/quote]

    Oh, those pesky Packers, screwing around with navy jerseys from time to time.

    Green Bay does, in fact, mean the color of the bay. From the City of Green Bay website…
    “The French called the bay “La Baie Verte” because of its greenish color, but first it was La Baie des Puants – the Bay of the Stinking Water.”

    (I make no further comment at this time. Or, actually, ever regarding the various names of Green Bay.)

    —Ricko

  • tb | April 3, 2009 at 11:41 am |

    [quote comment="321180"][quote comment="321169"] It sure as hell wasn’t Sexy Rexy who won all those games.[/quote]

    As Prexy of the “Sexy Rexy Fan Club”, I resemble that remark.[/quote]

    You RESENT.. not resemble.

  • Craig | April 3, 2009 at 11:43 am |

    [quote comment="321147"]LOL
    On a lighter note (as I reshape my head for the workday), thinking about the Jay Cutler trade…is it possible to go from one NFL team to another with LESS of a change in general uni look than going from the Broncos to the Bears?

    Or vice versa?

    —Ricko
    (Somebody, please, find a color game-action photo of those early ’62 Bronco helmets!)[/quote]

    Ya know that is the one thing that kept preoccupying my brain all night last night as the trade rumor became reality…Heck, they even have orange alternates. Difference I think that is most obvious is while the Bears uni is a classic the Broncs suck the big lemon of nike-fication!

  • JTH | April 3, 2009 at 11:48 am |

    [quote comment="321211"][quote comment="321147"]LOL
    On a lighter note (as I reshape my head for the workday), thinking about the Jay Cutler trade…is it possible to go from one NFL team to another with LESS of a change in general uni look than going from the Broncos to the Bears?

    Or vice versa?

    —Ricko
    (Somebody, please, find a color game-action photo of those early ’62 Bronco helmets!)[/quote]

    Ya know that is the one thing that kept preoccupying my brain all night last night as the trade rumor became reality…Heck, they even have orange alternates. Difference I think that is most obvious is while the Bears uni is a classic the Broncs suck the big lemon of nike-fication![/quote]
    Damn. I guess we won’t have any of those “Hey, is Brett Favre wearing yellow pads under his Jets jersey”-type posts about Cutler and/or Orton to look forward to this season.

  • Wade Harder | April 3, 2009 at 11:49 am |

    [quote comment="321152"]I asked this aquestion a few days ago, but it was late in the day and I never got a reply. I’m hoping it’s just because not many people saw it.

    Is there a way for an amateur to do uni mockups like Paulie did recently? Or is special software and graphic training required? Is it just Photoshop? I’d love to play around with some ideas but have no idea how to make them look decent on paper. Any help is appreciated.[/quote]

    I just use Photoshop. Head over to Chris Creamer’s forums. There are several templates to choose from there.

    http://boards.sports...

  • LI Phil | April 3, 2009 at 11:52 am |

    [quote comment="321210"][quote comment="321180"][quote comment="321169"] It sure as hell wasn’t Sexy Rexy who won all those games.[/quote]

    As Prexy of the “Sexy Rexy Fan Club”, I resemble that remark.[/quote]

    You RESENT.. not resemble.[/quote]

    not a stooges fan?

  • chance | April 3, 2009 at 11:53 am |

    [quote comment="321209"][quote comment="321203"][quote comment="321197"]
    Anybody want to help me take up a collection? I think I’m in love.[/quote]
    Well, that’s obviously a fake. I mean, c’mon. It’s BLUE! Why would the GREEN Bay Pakers wear BLUE? It doesn’t make any logical sense.[/quote]

    Oh, those pesky Packers, screwing around with navy jerseys from time to time.

    Green Bay does, in fact, mean the color of the bay. From the City of Green Bay website…
    “The French called the bay “La Baie Verte” because of its greenish color, but first it was La Baie des Puants – the Bay of the Stinking Water.”

    (I make no further comment at this time. Or, actually, ever regarding the various names of Green Bay.)

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Yeah, if by “from time to time” you mean “for about thirty years and five championships”. :D

    There’s something about Northern Wisconsin nomenclature – I wonder what the visitors to picturesque Door County, who come to the vacation destination for water recreation and lovely fall foliage, would think if they knew that it got its name from “Death’s Door”, a small yet treacherous staight which sent many ships to the bottom.

  • Noelski y que! | April 3, 2009 at 11:55 am |

    who goes to nuggets games and sits front row? interesting….

  • Ricko | April 3, 2009 at 11:58 am |

    [quote comment="321215"][quote comment="321209"][quote comment="321203"][quote comment="321197"]
    Anybody want to help me take up a collection? I think I’m in love.[/quote]
    Well, that’s obviously a fake. I mean, c’mon. It’s BLUE! Why would the GREEN Bay Pakers wear BLUE? It doesn’t make any logical sense.[/quote]

    Oh, those pesky Packers, screwing around with navy jerseys from time to time.

    Green Bay does, in fact, mean the color of the bay. From the City of Green Bay website…
    “The French called the bay “La Baie Verte” because of its greenish color, but first it was La Baie des Puants – the Bay of the Stinking Water.”

    (I make no further comment at this time. Or, actually, ever regarding the various names of Green Bay.)

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Yeah, if by “from time to time” you mean “for about thirty years and five championships”. :D

    There’s something about Northern Wisconsin nomenclature – I wonder what the visitors to picturesque Door County, who come to the vacation destination for water recreation and lovely fall foliage, would think if they knew that it got its name from “Death’s Door”, a small yet treacherous staight which sent many ships to the bottom.[/quote]

    Well, in all fairness to NFC North rivals, isn’t “Chicago” derived from a Native American word meaning, “Place that smells like onions”? Or something like that?

    —Ricko

  • Jules Tonkinson | April 3, 2009 at 11:58 am |

    Hey, does any know where I could get a replacement, customized, nameplate for a football jersey? The guy who wore my favorite number got traded.

  • Anthony | April 3, 2009 at 12:12 pm |

    Leave it to the NBA… Lets encourage conservation and recycling by creating a whole set of unis, warmups, shoes, and various other accessories that are only going to be used ONCE. Genius.

  • Piping Mike | April 3, 2009 at 12:15 pm |

    [quote comment="321213"][quote comment="321152"]I asked this aquestion a few days ago, but it was late in the day and I never got a reply. I’m hoping it’s just because not many people saw it.

    Is there a way for an amateur to do uni mockups like Paulie did recently? Or is special software and graphic training required? Is it just Photoshop? I’d love to play around with some ideas but have no idea how to make them look decent on paper. Any help is appreciated.[/quote]

    I just use Photoshop. Head over to Chris Creamer’s forums. There are several templates to choose from there.

    http://boards.sports...

    Thanks. I appreciate the reply.

  • tb | April 3, 2009 at 12:16 pm |

    [quote comment="321214"][quote comment="321210"][quote comment="321180"][quote comment="321169"] It sure as hell wasn’t Sexy Rexy who won all those games.[/quote]

    As Prexy of the “Sexy Rexy Fan Club”, I resemble that remark.[/quote]

    You RESENT.. not resemble.[/quote]

    not a stooges fan?[/quote]

    On the contrary, huge three stooges fan. However this slice of idiocy has made its way into the vocabulary of the average clown who either doesn’t the background or just doesn’t realize that without the backgroun you sound like an idiot because it makes no sense.

  • Ricko | April 3, 2009 at 12:16 pm |

    From the Encyclopedia of Chicago web site…

    The name “Chicago” derives from a word in the language spoken by the Miami and Illinois peoples meaning “striped skunk, ” a word they also applied to the wild leek (known to later botanists as Allium tricoccum). This became the Indian name for the Chicago River, in recognition of the presence of wild leeks in the watershed. When early French explorers began adopting the word, with a variety of spellings, in the late seventeenth century, it came to refer to the site at the mouth of the Chicago River.

    Hmm…I remember reading it had to do with onions. Skunk or Onions. Your call, Chicagoans.

  • MPowers16 | April 3, 2009 at 12:17 pm |

    [quote comment="321171"]Durant has been wearing those kicks for a while now.[/quote]

    Correct…he has been wearing them since before the ASG.

    http://www.nicekicks...

    http://www.nicekicks...

    http://solecollector...

  • Ricko | April 3, 2009 at 12:19 pm |

    Please don’t note that leeks are wild onions.
    Know what. Was joking.

  • Squiddie | April 3, 2009 at 12:30 pm |

    [quote comment="321214"][quote comment="321210"][quote comment="321180"][quote comment="321169"] It sure as hell wasn’t Sexy Rexy who won all those games.[/quote]

    As Prexy of the “Sexy Rexy Fan Club”, I resemble that remark.[/quote]

    You RESENT.. not resemble.[/quote]

    not a stooges fan?[/quote]

    I mainly like Iggy as a solo act.

  • Jon | April 3, 2009 at 12:40 pm |

    If as part of an April Fool’s hoax you announce that it is not an April Fool’s hoax, but then the next day you reveal it really was an April Fool’s hoax, then was it really an April Fool’s hoax? Whether the answer is yes or no, it still is lame.

  • anotherguy | April 3, 2009 at 12:40 pm |

    [quote comment="321221"]
    On the contrary, huge three stooges fan. However this slice of idiocy has made its way into the vocabulary of the average clown who either doesn’t the background or just doesn’t realize that without the backgroun you sound like an idiot because it makes no sense.[/quote]
    Oh, I’m no mere slice of idiocy. I’m the full orange. Far, far above the AVERAGE clown.

    Every time I think I weaken the nation.

    Say, did you hear about the barbershop quartet at the fishmarket?

  • anotherguy | April 3, 2009 at 12:43 pm |

    [quote comment="321222"]Hmm…I remember reading it had to do with onions. Skunk or Onions. Your call, Chicagoans.[/quote]I’ll take “onion” (no Bill Rafterty reference intended).

    Actually, growing up I heard “stinking onion”.

  • Stuby | April 3, 2009 at 12:47 pm |

    I would be really impressed (or disturbed) if someone out there actually had a #6 Kevin Butler Bears jersey to convert to a Cutler jersey.

  • Nick C | April 3, 2009 at 12:51 pm |

    Just up on the Seattle Times Mariner’s Blog, a translation of a post-WBC Japanese interview with Ichiro! in which he reveals that his batting slump was broken after his teammates starting wearing their hose in proper baseball fashion, just as he always does. My coding skilz are for shit, so no blockquote or link.

  • Ricko | April 3, 2009 at 12:53 pm |

    [quote comment="321229"]I would be really impressed (or disturbed) if someone out there actually had a #6 Kevin Butler Bears jersey to convert to a Cutler jersey.[/quote]

    Good point. Nothing wows the babes quite the way a Gramatica jersey does.

  • Matthew Hackethal | April 3, 2009 at 12:55 pm |

    [quote comment="321201"]Hold on a second! It is not at all ridiculous for the Players’ Association to have merchandise. In truth, this should have happenned much sooner!

    I can remember wanting to show support for the players during the 1994 strike. It would have been inappropriate to wear team gear during that time; so I contacted the Players Association to buy some caps, jackets, shirts, etc. with the union’s logo on them — but they had none to sell!

    This was a shame, partly because I couldn’t use that means to show my allegiance, but also because their logo is beautiful, and worthy of display on purely aesthetic grounds: http://wpcontent.ans... (the guy is wearing stirrups, by the way). (Anyway, I hope that this store will be selling Players’ Association logo stuff, alongside the gear with players’ names.)

    I also vehemently object to the charge of douchbaggery levelled against the guy who pointed out that a fan’s rooting loyalty is both to the player and to the team! How can anyone deny that this is so?

    Furthermore, I completely understand the idea that a fan might withdraw his loyalty from one team and transfer it to a new team. If you have a favourite player who leaves your team, you as a fan have a perfect right to make the call at that point, to decide whether to stay with the player, or with the team. It is a highly personal reaction, one that is dictated by the same basic emotions that get you into the sport in the first place.

    I am no fan of the radio host Mike Francesa; but I have heard him talk many times of his beloved late brother, how he became a Cardinal fan after the Yankees traded Roger Maris, so outraged was he at that trade. This, to me, is just as approprate a reaction as staying a Yankee fan would have been.[/quote]

    Mr. Migala was not pointing out “that a fan’s rooting loyalty is both to the player and to the team[.]” Implicit in his quote was that a fan grows up as a fan of a PLAYER, not a TEAM, and the fan’s allegiancesare to the player not the team. Mr. Francesa’s late brother is in the overwhelming minority on this issue.

  • anotherguy | April 3, 2009 at 12:58 pm |

    [quote comment="321231"]Good point. Nothing wows the babes quite the way a Gramatica jersey does.[/quote]
    Butt-head had a reputation as a football player. Hung with the O-line and all that.

    Given how few other jerseys we could buy lately…well, there may be a few still hanging around.

    Ditka’s a big seller for that matter. ;-)

  • JTH | April 3, 2009 at 12:59 pm |

    [quote [quote comment="321184"]
    The Bears have told me I have the opportunity to preorder a Cutler jersey (shipment after number assignment).
    [/quote]
    Looks like #6 is official.

  • KT | April 3, 2009 at 1:07 pm |

    So, playing Devil’s Advocate here…supposin’ we find out that the Broncos’ early 1962 helmet logo was brown. Or that it was blue.

    Then what?

  • chance | April 3, 2009 at 1:07 pm |

    When I was a kid, the Brewers traded away Gorman Thomas, my favorite player.

    Fortunately, he came back in 1986 to finish his career in Milwaukee. But no way could I ever see becoming a fan of the Indians or Mariners until he did.

  • mmwatkin | April 3, 2009 at 1:08 pm |

    Anyone have any idea as to what number Sheffield will wear with the Mets?

  • Jeremy Brahm | April 3, 2009 at 1:11 pm |

    [quote comment="321226"]If as part of an April Fool’s hoax you announce that it is not an April Fool’s hoax, but then the next day you reveal it really was an April Fool’s hoax, then was it really an April Fool’s hoax? Whether the answer is yes or no, it still is lame.[/quote]

    It worked so well, the Seattle Times is running a poll on their website as to what the fans think of the green uniform.

    As of 10:10 am PDT the poll was as follows:
    Do you think the Seahawks should wear a green jersey this season?
    Yes 50%, 976 votes
    No 50%, 974 votes

    The uniform hoax was that it was close enough to be true. Right now you can see that even the Seahawks’ fans, of which I am one, cannot decide that this was a good idea or not. This is why the hoax worked.

  • Stan a.k.a. the took | April 3, 2009 at 1:11 pm |

    FC New York… everyone is bitching about the name I like it at least it’s not the New York Redbull or the “some other stupid minor league team name”.

    The logo I like too except the soccer ball that seems MS Paint worthy. Maybe they’ll move into MLS later on it’s well know they want 2 NYC teams… A team in Queens (I am thinking that’s where they will go having Queens colors maybe at Citi?! that’s where they HAVE to go new stadium, easy to get to, big demographic.) I’ll def go watch them play.

    The Pirates story is just said and them being my secondary team that yeah wow… losers.

  • Alex | April 3, 2009 at 1:12 pm |

    [quote comment="321226"]If as part of an April Fool’s hoax you announce that it is not an April Fool’s hoax, but then the next day you reveal it really was an April Fool’s hoax, then was it really an April Fool’s hoax? Whether the answer is yes or no, it still is lame.[/quote]

    Agreed 100%!

  • Bob A | April 3, 2009 at 1:14 pm |

    [quote comment="321229"]I would be really impressed (or disturbed) if someone out there actually had a #6 Kevin Butler Bears jersey to convert to a Cutler jersey.[/quote]

    Not long after Matt Schaub replaced David Carr as Texans qb the Houston Chronicle ran a feature on converting your Carr “8” jersey to a Schaub “8” jersey. Detailed step by step instructions, template of the NOB to trace, etc. I wish I had saved it. I wish even more I had USED it. ;-)

  • timmy b | April 3, 2009 at 1:18 pm |

    [quote comment="321178"]Who knew the Denver Broncos would provide such a rich mine of uni debate. So far we’ve seen
    1. single 1960 jersey vs. two jerseys
    2. mustard jersey vs. gold jersey (1960-61)
    (or Gulden’s vs. French’s)
    3. brown horsey vs. blue horsey
    4. Tennessee orange vs. non-Tennessee orange
    5. blank blue helmet or not
    6. orange pants – which years?
    7. did Bronco orange get darker – then later did it get lighter
    8. did Bronco blue get lighter
    9. side trim is a Nike swoosh or isn’t
    …any I’m missing?[/quote]

    I remember big debate several years back that the nostril on the current Bronco logo was a subliminal Nike logo. For real. Judge for yourself:

    http://www.chriscrea...

  • Lwiedy | April 3, 2009 at 1:18 pm |

    [quote comment="321229"]I would be really impressed (or disturbed) if someone out there actually had a #6 Kevin Butler Bears jersey to convert to a Cutler jersey.[/quote]

    A couple very recently:
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

  • chance | April 3, 2009 at 1:20 pm |

    [quote comment="321239"]FC New York… everyone is bitching about the name I like it at least it’s not the New York Redbull or the “some other stupid minor league team name”.

    The logo I like too except the soccer ball that seems MS Paint worthy. Maybe they’ll move into MLS later on it’s well know they want 2 NYC teams… A team in Queens (I am thinking that’s where they will go having Queens colors maybe at Citi?! that’s where they HAVE to go new stadium, easy to get to, big demographic.) I’ll def go watch them play.
    [/quote]
    The FC New York crest is a joke. The colors and symbols of the Queens flag, for a team which plays in… Nassau?

  • chance | April 3, 2009 at 1:21 pm |

    [quote comment="321230"]Just up on the Seattle Times Mariner’s Blog, a translation of a post-WBC Japanese interview with Ichiro! in which he reveals that his batting slump was broken after his teammates starting wearing their hose in proper baseball fashion, just as he always does. My coding skilz are for shit, so no blockquote or link.[/quote]
    No need for coding skills – just copy and paste the link, and the blog takes care of it for you.

    http://blog.seattlet...

  • timmy b | April 3, 2009 at 1:22 pm |

    and check out the rear view) and a 1924 Bruins jersey. …

    Thanks for the link to the original B’s jersey. Love it!

    Perhaps where the 1960 Broncos got some brown/gold inspiration???

  • Kenny | April 3, 2009 at 1:25 pm |

    [quote comment="321142"][quote comment="321137"]“You don’t necessarily grow up a Mets fan, but a David Wright fan, and your affinity changes when he changes teams,” said Dan Migala, director of the Graduate School of Sports Business at Northwestern University.

    douchebag[/quote]

    +1

    no…you root for the laundry…and if the mets traded jose straight up for j-roll, for example, i’d be a fan of the mets shortstop[/quote]

    Edmonds was my favorite player with the Cardinals. No way on God’s green Earth was I rooting for the Cubs

  • Lwiedy | April 3, 2009 at 1:29 pm |

    [quote comment="321201"]Hold on a second! It is not at all ridiculous for the Players’ Association to have merchandise. In truth, this should have happenned much sooner!

    I can remember wanting to show support for the players during the 1994 strike. It would have been inappropriate to wear team gear during that time; so I contacted the Players Association to buy some caps, jackets, shirts, etc. with the union’s logo on them — but they had none to sell!

    This was a shame, partly because I couldn’t use that means to show my allegiance, but also because their logo is beautiful, and worthy of display on purely aesthetic grounds: http://wpcontent.ans... (the guy is wearing stirrups, by the way). (Anyway, I hope that this store will be selling Players’ Association logo stuff, alongside the gear with players’ names.)

    I also vehemently object to the charge of douchbaggery levelled against the guy who pointed out that a fan’s rooting loyalty is both to the player and to the team! How can anyone deny that this is so?

    Furthermore, I completely understand the idea that a fan might withdraw his loyalty from one team and transfer it to a new team. If you have a favourite player who leaves your team, you as a fan have a perfect right to make the call at that point, to decide whether to stay with the player, or with the team. It is a highly personal reaction, one that is dictated by the same basic emotions that get you into the sport in the first place.

    I am no fan of the radio host Mike Francesa; but I have heard him talk many times of his beloved late brother, how he became a Cardinal fan after the Yankees traded Roger Maris, so outraged was he at that trade. This, to me, is just as approprate a reaction as staying a Yankee fan would have been.[/quote]

    IMO, your comment actually illustrates how useless this concept is. When there was a strike, you went looking for MLBPA merchandise. Ok, when the next strike happens, rev ‘er up!

    MLBPA has tried to come out with stuff for decades with little success (unless the RC Cola cans count).

    As for the egghead from Northwestern, sure you can get most anyone to dummy up some bogus quote to justify the existence of anything.

    Funny thing though, if there is a strike will management still let labor’s store stay open?

  • Teebz | April 3, 2009 at 1:31 pm |

    [quote comment="321240"][quote comment="321226"]If as part of an April Fool’s hoax you announce that it is not an April Fool’s hoax, but then the next day you reveal it really was an April Fool’s hoax, then was it really an April Fool’s hoax? Whether the answer is yes or no, it still is lame.[/quote]

    Agreed 100%![/quote]

    And had he not alerted you that it was a hoax, you’d have your pantyhose in a knot for Paul lying on his blog.

    You can’t have it both way kids.

  • Squiddie | April 3, 2009 at 1:32 pm |

    [quote comment="321235"]So, playing Devil’s Advocate here…supposin’ we find out that the Broncos’ early 1962 helmet logo was brown. Or that it was blue.

    Then what?[/quote]

    “Overhead, without any fuss, the stars were going out.”

  • Ferdinand Cesarano | April 3, 2009 at 1:32 pm |

    [quote comment="321244"]The FC New York crest is a joke. The colors and symbols of the Queens flag, for a team which plays in… Nassau?[/quote]

    The crest is beautiful. The team will play out on Wrong Island for only one season; then it will come home to our City.

  • Lwiedy | April 3, 2009 at 1:39 pm |

    Gonna take more than a grand to take this home:
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

  • Lwiedy | April 3, 2009 at 1:42 pm |

    [quote comment="321240"][quote comment="321226"]If as part of an April Fool’s hoax you announce that it is not an April Fool’s hoax, but then the next day you reveal it really was an April Fool’s hoax, then was it really an April Fool’s hoax? Whether the answer is yes or no, it still is lame.[/quote]

    Agreed 100%![/quote]

    Perhaps you could let Paul in on the “rules” regarding April fool’s jokes so he can execute properly.

  • Ferdinand Cesarano | April 3, 2009 at 1:43 pm |

    [quote comment="321248"][quote comment="321201"]I can remember wanting to show support for the players during the 1994 strike. It would have been inappropriate to wear team gear during that time; so I contacted the Players Association to buy some caps, jackets, shirts, etc. with the union’s logo on them — but they had none to sell![/quote]

    IMO, your comment actually illustrates how useless this concept is. When there was a strike, you went looking for MLBPA merchandise. Ok, when the next strike happens, rev ‘er up![/quote]

    Well, I said that the thought of getting gear with the union’s logo first occurred to me during the strike, at a time when wearing team-logo gear would have been inappropriate; I didn’t say that I would wear this gear [i]only[/i] during a strike. I would proudly wear the union’s logo any time.

  • KT | April 3, 2009 at 1:53 pm |

    [quote comment="321251"][quote comment="321244"]The FC New York crest is a joke. The colors and symbols of the Queens flag, for a team which plays in… Nassau?[/quote]

    The crest is beautiful. The team will play out on Wrong Island for only one season; then it will come home to our City.[/quote]

    And play where, exactly?

    Not to mention I would be shocked if there was a second season for this team.

    And I’ll let Phil fill us in on the actual geography in terms of Queens and Nassau.

  • Teebz | April 3, 2009 at 2:01 pm |

    adidas is suing Payless Shoe Source in Canada for “infringing on it three-stripes brand”.

    Story here.

    My advice? Come up with a better brand than three lines. Otherwise, I’ve infringed on adidas’ brand several times this morning while doodling during a meeting.

  • Lwiedy | April 3, 2009 at 2:01 pm |

    [quote comment="321254"][quote comment="321248"][quote comment="321201"]I can remember wanting to show support for the players during the 1994 strike. It would have been inappropriate to wear team gear during that time; so I contacted the Players Association to buy some caps, jackets, shirts, etc. with the union’s logo on them — but they had none to sell![/quote]

    IMO, your comment actually illustrates how useless this concept is. When there was a strike, you went looking for MLBPA merchandise. Ok, when the next strike happens, rev ‘er up![/quote]

    Well, I said that the thought of getting gear with the union’s logo first occurred to me during the strike, at a time when wearing team-logo gear would have been inappropriate; I didn’t say that I would wear this gear [i]only[/i] during a strike. I would proudly wear the union’s logo any time.[/quote]

    But it sounds like the though never occurred to you before or after (honestly, do you have merchandise now?). With money behind it, any retail operation can look like good idea but if you can by a David Wright Mets jersey, would you really want a David Wright MLBPA jersey?

    As for the Francesa example, you mentioned that his brother became a Cardinals fan. So he changed his allegiance to the new TEAM as well. It may have been spurred by the player but he rooted for the team. Players come and go. It’s all about the team.

    I guess when the Mets retail shop is full, people will now have another place to waste their time.

  • LI Phil | April 3, 2009 at 2:06 pm |

    [quote comment="321255"]And I’ll let Phil fill us in on the actual geography in terms of Queens and Nassau.[/quote]

    touche

  • Teebz | April 3, 2009 at 2:07 pm |

    [quote comment="321257"]
    But it sounds like the though never occurred to you before or after (honestly, do you have merchandise now?). With money behind it, any retail operation can look like good idea but if you can by a David Wright Mets jersey, would you really want a David Wright MLBPA jersey?[/quote]

    I have an NHLPA jersey that the players wore in 1995 during the first strike. They participated in a 4-on-4 tourney in Hamilton. I have the US Team’s NHLPA jersey (red in colour).

    It’s a highlight of my collection due to how rare the pro jerseys are.

  • Dan King | April 3, 2009 at 2:10 pm |

    [quote comment="321251"][quote comment="321244"]The FC New York crest is a joke. The colors and symbols of the Queens flag, for a team which plays in… Nassau?[/quote]

    The crest is beautiful. The team will play out on Wrong Island for only one season; then it will come home to our City.[/quote]

    still better than sky blue fc.

  • Lwiedy | April 3, 2009 at 2:10 pm |

    [quote comment="321259"][quote comment="321257"]
    But it sounds like the though never occurred to you before or after (honestly, do you have merchandise now?). With money behind it, any retail operation can look like good idea but if you can by a David Wright Mets jersey, would you really want a David Wright MLBPA jersey?[/quote]

    I have an NHLPA jersey that the players wore in 1995 during the first strike. They participated in a 4-on-4 tourney in Hamilton. I have the US Team’s NHLPA jersey (red in colour).

    It’s a highlight of my collection due to how rare the pro jerseys are.[/quote]

    How many jerseys do you have? If it were on a rack with two dozen others, where would it rank for you then?

  • KT | April 3, 2009 at 2:10 pm |

    [quote comment="321259"][quote comment="321257"]
    But it sounds like the though never occurred to you before or after (honestly, do you have merchandise now?). With money behind it, any retail operation can look like good idea but if you can by a David Wright Mets jersey, would you really want a David Wright MLBPA jersey?[/quote]

    I have an NHLPA jersey that the players wore in 1995 during the first strike. They participated in a 4-on-4 tourney in Hamilton. I have the US Team’s NHLPA jersey (red in colour).

    It’s a highlight of my collection due to how rare the pro jerseys are.[/quote]

    Anybody have (or have photos of) the NFLPA jerseys the players wore during the 1982 strike when they played a game at (IIRC) RFK? I remember the game actually being on TV (TBS, I think) and watching a bit of it.

  • KT | April 3, 2009 at 2:11 pm |

    [quote comment="321258"][quote comment="321255"]And I’ll let Phil fill us in on the actual geography in terms of Queens and Nassau.[/quote]

    touche[/quote]

    No, seriously….FCNY is going to play on Long Island, but in Queens, n’est-ce pas? I was defering to you ’cause that’s your neck of the woods.

  • Ferdinand Cesarano | April 3, 2009 at 2:12 pm |

    [quote comment="321255"][quote comment="321251"][quote comment="321244"]The FC New York crest is a joke. The colors and symbols of the Queens flag, for a team which plays in… Nassau?[/quote]

    The crest is beautiful. The team will play out on Wrong Island for only one season; then it will come home to our City.[/quote]

    And play where, exactly?[/quote]

    The current idea is to build a small, 5,000-seat park near Aqueduct.

    [quote comment="321255"]And I’ll let Phil fill us in on the actual geography in terms of Queens and Nassau.[/quote]

    That’s OK; I know my geography very well: geographically speaking, “Long Island” includes not only Queens but also Brooklyn.

    Perhaps, on the other hand, some of us need to be filled in on the finer points of usage. The term “Long Island”, in popular usage, long ago diverged from its strictly geographical meaning, and has come to mean “Nassau and Suffolk Counties”. Anyone who has lived in the New York area at any time since about 1940 would probably know that.

    Even the Islanders are aware of this: the map of Long Island in their logo does not include Brooklyn and Queens.

  • anotherguy | April 3, 2009 at 2:12 pm |

    [quote comment="321235"]So, playing Devil’s Advocate here…supposin’ we find out that the Broncos’ early 1962 helmet logo was brown. Or that it was blue.

    Then what?[/quote]

    Well, I mean: can’t you say that about everything in this blog or it’s comments?

    What’s it say at the top? Obsessing over useless details? That pretty much covers it…. :-)

  • KT | April 3, 2009 at 2:13 pm |

    [quote comment="321260"][quote comment="321251"][quote comment="321244"]The FC New York crest is a joke. The colors and symbols of the Queens flag, for a team which plays in… Nassau?[/quote]

    The crest is beautiful. The team will play out on Wrong Island for only one season; then it will come home to our City.[/quote]

    still better than sky blue fc.[/quote]

    The name or the badge? Sky Blue FC isn’t an inspired name, by any means. But their badge is light years ahead of FC Clip Art’s.

  • tom farley | April 3, 2009 at 2:13 pm |

    Edmonds was my favorite player with the Cardinals. No way on God’s green Earth was I rooting for the Cubs
    Kenny, I work with a guy who had the opposite experience: It killed him to have Edmonds do anything good for the Cubs last year, so deep is his Edmonds hatred.

    Timmy B, thanks for the list of midseason switches.

    The switch from whatever to white on the ’62 Broncos has to have taken place in midseason. I have a set of 2002 AFC media guides, so I did some digging.

    — The Broncos played neither the Patriots nor the Bills in the ’62 preseason. Those are the opponents in the horse-of-a-different-color shots linked to above. (Note the difference in the shoulder loops if you doubt that they are different teams.)

    — That’s the Raiders the Broncos are playing in the shot of the white-horse helmet.

    Here are the Broncos’ first six regular-season opponents in ’62:

    Sept. 7 — San Diego
    Sept. 15 — at Buffalo
    Sept. 21 — at Boston
    Sept. 30 — at N.Y. Titans
    Oct. 5 — Oakland
    Oct. 14 — at Oakland

  • Lwiedy | April 3, 2009 at 2:14 pm |

    [quote comment="321261"][quote comment="321259"][quote comment="321257"]
    But it sounds like the though never occurred to you before or after (honestly, do you have merchandise now?). With money behind it, any retail operation can look like good idea but if you can by a David Wright Mets jersey, would you really want a David Wright MLBPA jersey?[/quote]

    I have an NHLPA jersey that the players wore in 1995 during the first strike. They participated in a 4-on-4 tourney in Hamilton. I have the US Team’s NHLPA jersey (red in colour).

    It’s a highlight of my collection due to how rare the pro jerseys are.[/quote]

    How many jerseys do you have? If it were on a rack with two dozen others, where would it rank for you then?[/quote]

    Let me be more specific, it the jersey was not a rare collectible but a mass produced item where would it stand for you?

  • LI Phil | April 3, 2009 at 2:15 pm |

    [quote comment="321264"][quote comment="321255"][quote comment="321251"][quote comment="321244"]The FC New York crest is a joke. The colors and symbols of the Queens flag, for a team which plays in… Nassau?[/quote]

    The crest is beautiful. The team will play out on Wrong Island for only one season; then it will come home to our City.[/quote]

    And play where, exactly?[/quote]

    The current idea is to build a small, 5,000-seat park near Aqueduct.[/quote]

    if they’re playing at hofstra (i’d assume in the shu which seats 15K)…why would they move to a 5K seat stadium near aqueduct?

    wouldn’t st. johns or even citi field (although i doubt the mets would want a minor league soccer team for a tenant) be a better choice?

  • Teebz | April 3, 2009 at 2:16 pm |

    [quote comment="321261"][quote comment="321259"][quote comment="321257"]
    But it sounds like the though never occurred to you before or after (honestly, do you have merchandise now?). With money behind it, any retail operation can look like good idea but if you can by a David Wright Mets jersey, would you really want a David Wright MLBPA jersey?[/quote]

    I have an NHLPA jersey that the players wore in 1995 during the first strike. They participated in a 4-on-4 tourney in Hamilton. I have the US Team’s NHLPA jersey (red in colour).

    It’s a highlight of my collection due to how rare the pro jerseys are.[/quote]

    How many jerseys do you have? If it were on a rack with two dozen others, where would it rank for you then?[/quote]

    About a dozen that range from “AWESOME!” (Isles’ Fisherman) to regular, everyday jerseys.

    It would probably be #3 or #4 on my list. I still need it customized, but I can’t find any pictures of the tournament anywhere to get to my customization guy.

  • Teebz | April 3, 2009 at 2:17 pm |

    [quote comment="321268"][quote comment="321261"][quote comment="321259"][quote comment="321257"]
    But it sounds like the though never occurred to you before or after (honestly, do you have merchandise now?). With money behind it, any retail operation can look like good idea but if you can by a David Wright Mets jersey, would you really want a David Wright MLBPA jersey?[/quote]

    I have an NHLPA jersey that the players wore in 1995 during the first strike. They participated in a 4-on-4 tourney in Hamilton. I have the US Team’s NHLPA jersey (red in colour).

    It’s a highlight of my collection due to how rare the pro jerseys are.[/quote]

    How many jerseys do you have? If it were on a rack with two dozen others, where would it rank for you then?[/quote]

    Let me be more specific, it the jersey was not a rare collectible but a mass produced item where would it stand for you?[/quote]

    Still fairly high. I mean, who supports the NHLPA? LOL

  • Lwiedy | April 3, 2009 at 2:18 pm |

    And let me say this, there IS a place for MLBPA merchandise. That’s what mail order and on-line is great for, niche merchandise. But this shop is the baseball equivalent of the “Dream Café”.

  • KT | April 3, 2009 at 2:20 pm |

    [quote comment="321264"]The current idea is to build a small, 5,000-seat park near Aqueduct.[/quote]

    Nice idea. Good luck with it. Hopefully they won’t let the same people who designed the badge and the website design the stadium.

    [quote]That’s OK; I know my geography very well: geographically speaking, “Long Island” includes not only Queens but also Brooklyn.[/quote]

    And where is Hofstra? And where is Aqueduct (I’m asking because I don’t know). Is Aqueduct in Queens?

    [quote]Perhaps, on the other hand, some of us need to be filled in on the finer points of usage. The term “Long Island”, in popular usage, long ago diverged from its strictly geographical meaning, and has come to mean “Nassau and Suffolk Counties”. [/quote]

    Has the distinction between “New York” and “New Jersey” and “Connecticut” also been blurred from its strictly geographical meaning? Again, I’m asking. It seems to me that the boundaries are less important from an actual living sense to people who live there (with exceptions, of course). But if that’s the case, then it seems to me you can have it one way or the other, but not both. You can’t say that part of Long Island technically and geographically contains Queens but that it’s not okay for a team that plays there to use the Queens flag as inspiration for its badge. That doesn’t make sense to me.

    [quote]Even the Islanders are aware of this: the map of Long Island in their logo does not include Brooklyn and Queens.[/quote]

    And they call themselves the New York Islanders, right? So where’s the problem? New York Giants, New York Jets, New York Red Bulls, Los Angeles Galaxy, and on and on. It seems to be more a spiritual and psychological thing than a strictly geographical thing. In which case, I think it’s splitting hairs.

    The biggest problem is that the badge is amateurish.

  • Lwiedy | April 3, 2009 at 2:22 pm |

    [quote comment="321271"][quote comment="321268"][quote comment="321261"][quote comment="321259"][quote comment="321257"]
    But it sounds like the though never occurred to you before or after (honestly, do you have merchandise now?). With money behind it, any retail operation can look like good idea but if you can by a David Wright Mets jersey, would you really want a David Wright MLBPA jersey?[/quote]

    I have an NHLPA jersey that the players wore in 1995 during the first strike. They participated in a 4-on-4 tourney in Hamilton. I have the US Team’s NHLPA jersey (red in colour).

    It’s a highlight of my collection due to how rare the pro jerseys are.[/quote]

    How many jerseys do you have? If it were on a rack with two dozen others, where would it rank for you then?[/quote]

    Let me be more specific, it the jersey was not a rare collectible but a mass produced item where would it stand for you?[/quote]

    Still fairly high. I mean, who supports the NHLPA? LOL[/quote]

    I hear you teebz, but if the NHLPA (or MLBPA) had to survive on finding thousands with your passion for and understanding of hockey jerseys, how long would they be selling jerseys?

  • KT | April 3, 2009 at 2:23 pm |

    [quote comment="321269"]if they’re playing at hofstra (i’d assume in the shu which seats 15K)…why would they move to a 5K seat stadium near aqueduct?[/quote]

    It’s all about revenue control and presenting the sport properly, Phil. IF you build (and therefore control) your own yard, you’re way better off in terms of capturing more of the revenue from it than if you’re paying rent to a college or an NFL team or an MLB team and in terms of scheduling.

    The other thing is that FCNY ain’t gonna fill Hofstra – no way, no how. They won’t need more than about 5k seats.

    [quote]wouldn’t st. johns or even citi field (although i doubt the mets would want a minor league soccer team for a tenant) be a better choice?[/quote]

    Depends on what you want to do. St. John’s is a field over a concrete parking structure, isn’t it? There are issues no matter where you try to play – if it’s not rent, it’s access and parking and alcohol and any one of a number of things.

    And Citi Field would be way too expensive and would not look good at all. At all.

  • Kerry P | April 3, 2009 at 2:23 pm |

    [quote comment="321142"][quote comment="321137"]“You don’t necessarily grow up a Mets fan, but a David Wright fan, and your affinity changes when he changes teams,” said Dan Migala, director of the Graduate School of Sports Business at Northwestern University.

    douchebag[/quote]

    +1

    no…you root for the laundry…and if the mets traded jose straight up for j-roll, for example, i’d be a fan of the mets shortstop[/quote]
    Sadly enough, I grew up with someone that was a Joe Montana fan. We lived less than 20 miles from New Orleans, and there he was, wearing a Montana 49ers jersy in the middle of Saints terriroty. Then what happenned when Joe left for Kansas City, he got a Montana Chiefs jersey. Sad.

  • DaveMac | April 3, 2009 at 2:25 pm |

    I was such a die hard lifelong Packers fan and never could have dreamed that would have changed. But then Brett Favre was traded and it did. It’s pretty unbelievable how that works…

    Also, I have VHS NFL Films footage of Seattle playing a game against Tampa Bay during both teams’ first season. I’ll try to dig it up this weekend and take some photos. I’m almost 100% sure they were wearing a logo on their helmets though.

  • rpm | April 3, 2009 at 2:30 pm |

    hey jim vilk

    i love the games, they are brilliant. you totally represent what i think the DIY’er is all aboot.

  • JoeS | April 3, 2009 at 2:33 pm |

    That is very interesting. I worked at a summer camp in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan that was near Chicagon Lake. I knew it was some sort of Native American word similar to Chicago, but the story about the leeks makes sense because there were wild leeks growing all over around there. That helped make for great burgers cooked over the fire!

    [quote comment="321222"]From the Encyclopedia of Chicago web site…

    The name “Chicago” derives from a word in the language spoken by the Miami and Illinois peoples meaning “striped skunk, ” a word they also applied to the wild leek (known to later botanists as Allium tricoccum). This became the Indian name for the Chicago River, in recognition of the presence of wild leeks in the watershed. When early French explorers began adopting the word, with a variety of spellings, in the late seventeenth century, it came to refer to the site at the mouth of the Chicago River.

    Hmm…I remember reading it had to do with onions. Skunk or Onions. Your call, Chicagoans.[/quote]

  • Alex | April 3, 2009 at 2:35 pm |

    So the Nuggets wore a green jersey and shorts last night, but strangely the alternate logo (the mining pickaxes and mountain job) was still in the original blue/gold/white combo and not green – although they have created a green and white alternate logo seen here:

    http://www.nba.com/m...

    Very strange.. thoughts?

  • Lwiedy | April 3, 2009 at 2:35 pm |

    [quote comment="321276"][quote comment="321142"][quote comment="321137"]“You don’t necessarily grow up a Mets fan, but a David Wright fan, and your affinity changes when he changes teams,” said Dan Migala, director of the Graduate School of Sports Business at Northwestern University.

    douchebag[/quote]

    +1

    no…you root for the laundry…and if the mets traded jose straight up for j-roll, for example, i’d be a fan of the mets shortstop[/quote]
    Sadly enough, I grew up with someone that was a Joe Montana fan. We lived less than 20 miles from New Orleans, and there he was, wearing a Montana 49ers jersy in the middle of Saints terriroty. Then what happenned when Joe left for Kansas City, he got a Montana Chiefs jersey. Sad.[/quote]

    I’m sure there are endless examples of the player getting traded/I changed alliances, but what do you do when the player retires?

  • KT | April 3, 2009 at 2:37 pm |

    [quote comment="321277"]Also, I have VHS NFL Films footage of Seattle playing a game against Tampa Bay during both teams’ first season. I’ll try to dig it up this weekend and take some photos. I’m almost 100% sure they were wearing a logo on their helmets though.[/quote]

    You don’t have to.

    Here is one shot from that game, and here is another one. Helmet logos.

  • Teebz | April 3, 2009 at 2:41 pm |

    [quote comment="321274"]
    I hear you teebz, but if the NHLPA (or MLBPA) had to survive on finding thousands with your passion for and understanding of hockey jerseys, how long would they be selling jerseys?[/quote]

    Not long. Again, the union is what’s wrong with players’ salaries, but what’s right with players’ rights.

    The reason I bought that jersey was due to the 4-on-4 tourney. It was a collection of all-stars having a good time. Roenick, Leetch, Chelios… it might have been one of the best tourneys ever.

  • DaveMac | April 3, 2009 at 2:41 pm |

    So what is the debate? That they didn’t wear helmet decals for the first few games? Because I believe that Bucs game was in week 6, thus meaning they wore them at least most of the season. I find it hard to believe they didn’t wear the helmet logos. Like Ricko said, it is just a mistake with the Topps cards.

  • Ferdinand Cesarano | April 3, 2009 at 2:45 pm |

    [quote comment="321269"][quote comment="321264"][quote comment="321255"][quote comment="321251"][quote comment="321244"]The FC New York crest is a joke. The colors and symbols of the Queens flag, for a team which plays in… Nassau?[/quote]

    The crest is beautiful. The team will play out on Wrong Island for only one season; then it will come home to our City.[/quote]

    And play where, exactly?[/quote]

    The current idea is to build a small, 5,000-seat park near Aqueduct.[/quote]

    if they’re playing at hofstra (i’d assume in the shu which seats 15K)…why would they move to a 5K seat stadium near aqueduct?

    wouldn’t st. johns or even citi field (although i doubt the mets would want a minor league soccer team for a tenant) be a better choice?[/quote]

    They indend to control their own facility, not rent. (I am sorry that I cannot find the exact quote on this from co-owner Doug Peterson that I read yesterday.) And renting CitiField in particluar would probably be outrageously expensive, I have to assume.

    Also, a capacity of 5,000 seats seams to indicate that the new team is thinking realistically, and is aware of its (and soccer’s) place in the overall pro sports landscape in New York. Don’t forget that the Red Bulls of MLS are building a new park in Harrison, NJ that will hold only 20,000.

    If, however, FC New York are forced to continue renting, I would speculate that a possible Queens venue would be the Metropolitan Oval, in Ridgewood (a park which was home for a few seasons to the Brooklyn Knights, a team in a lower division of the USL).

  • KT | April 3, 2009 at 2:48 pm |

    [quote comment="321284"]So what is the debate? That they didn’t wear helmet decals for the first few games? Because I believe that Bucs game was in week 6, thus meaning they wore them at least most of the season. I find it hard to believe they didn’t wear the helmet logos. Like Ricko said, it is just a mistake with the Topps cards.[/quote]

    Don’t know if it’s a “mistake.” Topps cards used to airbrush out helmet logos (except, for some reason, part of the Rams’ logo) entirely.

    We have photographic evidence that the ‘Hawks wore helmet logos in their second “home” preseason game in Spokane. We have photographic evidence they were wearing them in Week 6. My guess is they were wearing them all along. That’s an easier explanation than any of the others.

  • KT | April 3, 2009 at 2:51 pm |

    [quote comment="321285"]Also, a capacity of 5,000 seats seams to indicate that the new team is thinking realistically, and is aware of its (and soccer’s) place in the overall pro sports landscape in New York. Don’t forget that the Red Bulls of MLS are building a new park in Harrison, NJ that will hold only 20,000.[/quote]

    25,189, actually.

    Which will make it the second-largest purpose-built MLS stadium (behind the Home Depot Center in LA – 27,000).

    Outside of Qwest Field, RFK and (at least for a few years) BC Place (starting in 2011), most MLS stadiums will be in that range of 18,000 – 25,000. Which is just about right, all things considered.

  • Piping Mike | April 3, 2009 at 2:52 pm |

    [quote comment="321252"]Gonna take more than a grand to take this home:
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    Can a warm up really be “Game Used”?

  • Lwiedy | April 3, 2009 at 2:53 pm |

    [quote comment="321283"][quote comment="321274"]
    I hear you teebz, but if the NHLPA (or MLBPA) had to survive on finding thousands with your passion for and understanding of hockey jerseys, how long would they be selling jerseys?[/quote]

    Not long.[/quote]

    You and I must have two different things in mind because I consider you in a class of your own (and that’s a compliment). That kind of stuff has fringe interest and I believe that is why they had to get some egghead from Northwestern to tell us why an MLBPA store is necessary.

  • Lwiedy | April 3, 2009 at 2:56 pm |

    [quote comment="321284"]So what is the debate? That they didn’t wear helmet decals for the first few games? Because I believe that Bucs game was in week 6, thus meaning they wore them at least most of the season. I find it hard to believe they didn’t wear the helmet logos. Like Ricko said, it is just a mistake with the Topps cards.[/quote]

    Not a mistake, but a production process necessitated by the terms of their license with the NFL.

  • Teebz | April 3, 2009 at 2:59 pm |

    [quote comment="321289"][quote comment="321283"][quote comment="321274"]
    I hear you teebz, but if the NHLPA (or MLBPA) had to survive on finding thousands with your passion for and understanding of hockey jerseys, how long would they be selling jerseys?[/quote]

    Not long.[/quote]

    You and I must have two different things in mind because I consider you in a class of your own (and that’s a compliment). That kind of stuff has fringe interest and I believe that is why they had to get some egghead from Northwestern to tell us why an MLBPA store is necessary.[/quote]

    The NHLPA stopped making them because it is very fringe. No one wants a ‘PA jersey because they are the necessary evil in sports. They made them for a short while, but stopped producing them because there’s no market for them.

    And who, besides Yankee fans, support pure evil anyway?

    I kid, Yankee fans. All a joke. :o) LOL

  • Lwiedy | April 3, 2009 at 2:59 pm |

    [quote comment="321288"][quote comment="321252"]Gonna take more than a grand to take this home:
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    Can a warm up really be “Game Used”?[/quote]

    I see your point and forgive me if you were trying to point out a misnomer but yeah warm-up/pre-game jerseys, jackets, caps can all be considered “game used”.

  • Lwiedy | April 3, 2009 at 3:02 pm |

    [quote comment="321291"][quote comment="321289"][quote comment="321283"][quote comment="321274"]
    I hear you teebz, but if the NHLPA (or MLBPA) had to survive on finding thousands with your passion for and understanding of hockey jerseys, how long would they be selling jerseys?[/quote]

    Not long.[/quote]

    You and I must have two different things in mind because I consider you in a class of your own (and that’s a compliment). That kind of stuff has fringe interest and I believe that is why they had to get some egghead from Northwestern to tell us why an MLBPA store is necessary.[/quote]

    The NHLPA stopped making them because it is very fringe. No one wants a ‘PA jersey because they are the necessary evil in sports. They made them for a short while, but stopped producing them because there’s no market for them.

    And who, besides Yankee fans, support pure evil anyway?

    I kid, Yankee fans. All a joke. :o) LOL[/quote]

    OH Shit. You answered my question with “not long”, and I thought you were saying it wouldn’t take long to find takers. Jeez Teebz, sorry.

  • JTH | April 3, 2009 at 3:02 pm |

    [quote comment="321291"]
    And who, besides Yankee fans, support pure evil anyway?[/quote]
    Coyotes fans?

  • KT | April 3, 2009 at 3:03 pm |

    [quote comment="321295"][quote comment="321291"]
    And who, besides Yankee fans, support pure evil anyway?[/quote]
    Coyotes fans?[/quote]

    Trick question. There’s no such thing.

    I keed, I keed.

    What’s evil about the Coyotes?

  • DaveMac | April 3, 2009 at 3:04 pm |

    [quote comment="321290"][quote comment="321284"]So what is the debate? That they didn’t wear helmet decals for the first few games? Because I believe that Bucs game was in week 6, thus meaning they wore them at least most of the season. I find it hard to believe they didn’t wear the helmet logos. Like Ricko said, it is just a mistake with the Topps cards.[/quote]

    Not a mistake, but a production process necessitated by the terms of their license with the NFL.[/quote]

    Ok, right. That is waht I meant but I articulated it poorly. From what I heard they had a deal with the NFLPA but not the NFL itself.

    By the way, I love the Seahawks old logo and colors. It was so “Pacific Northwest.” The green they had in the logo was awesome too, which is in stark contrast to their current neon green.

  • LI Phil | April 3, 2009 at 3:07 pm |

    [quote]What’s evil about the Coyotes?[/quote]

    teebz?

    care to answer that?

  • Piping Mike | April 3, 2009 at 3:08 pm |

    Lwiedy – Yeah I was just commenting on the oxmoronic nature of the item’s description. Nothing serious or critical behind it. Although since you were quick to justify the descriptor, is it safe to assume you are the seller?

  • Teebz | April 3, 2009 at 3:13 pm |

    [quote comment="321298"][quote]What’s evil about the Coyotes?[/quote]

    teebz?

    care to answer that?[/quote]

    Not their cheerleaders, I can assure you of that. LOL

  • KT | April 3, 2009 at 3:17 pm |

    Speaking of Phoenix, though, the Roadrunners are no more. Meaning their great powder blue jerseys are collectors items. I tried to get one at the last game I went to, but they were sold out of normal people’s sizes.

  • Lwiedy | April 3, 2009 at 3:22 pm |

    [quote comment="321299"]Lwiedy – Yeah I was just commenting on the oxmoronic nature of the item’s description. Nothing serious or critical behind it. Although since you were quick to justify the descriptor, is it safe to assume you are the seller?[/quote]

    Not it wouldn’t be. Just thought others would appreciate a fine vintage uni-related item.

    I Don’t believe I was justifying anything. You didn’t qualify you statement so it was reasonable to assume you may have not known.

  • mike 2 | April 3, 2009 at 3:22 pm |

    [quote comment="321250"][quote comment="321235"]So, playing Devil’s Advocate here…supposin’ we find out that the Broncos’ early 1962 helmet logo was brown. Or that it was blue.

    Then what?[/quote]

    “Overhead, without any fuss, the stars were going out.”[/quote]

    Arthur C. Clarke – well played.

  • timmy b | April 3, 2009 at 3:25 pm |

    [quote comment="321267"]– The Broncos played neither the Patriots nor the Bills in the ’62 preseason. Those are the opponents in the horse-of-a-different-color shots linked to above. (Note the difference in the shoulder loops if you doubt that they are different teams.)

    — That’s the Raiders the Broncos are playing in the shot of the white-horse helmet.

    Here are the Broncos’ first six regular-season opponents in ’62:

    Sept. 7 — San Diego
    Sept. 15 — at Buffalo
    Sept. 21 — at Boston
    Sept. 30 — at N.Y. Titans
    Oct. 5 — Oakland
    Oct. 14 — at Oakland
    [/quote]

    George,
    I did a quick check of newspaperarchive.com and while I cannot 100% confirm, it does appear that the 1962 Broncos’ switch from the horse of a different color to white with the second Raiders game 10/14. The Oakland Tribune had a photo from the 10/5 game in the 10/6/62 issue (totally dominated with news from the Yankees-Giants WS), and there was a shot of Frank Tripucka and while badly scanned, the dark Bronco seemed to be clear to see.

    So it looks like for the first 5 games, the critter was dark (blue, brown, green, purple, uncertain (though I lean to blue myself)) and from game 6 on, the horsey was white.

    Hope this helps.

    P.S. At this stage, I don’t care what color he is, I just want some proof and get it RIGHT.

  • Priest | April 3, 2009 at 3:26 pm |

    [quote comment="321259"][quote comment="321257"]
    But it sounds like the though never occurred to you before or after (honestly, do you have merchandise now?). With money behind it, any retail operation can look like good idea but if you can by a David Wright Mets jersey, would you really want a David Wright MLBPA jersey?[/quote]

    I have an NHLPA jersey that the players wore in 1995 during the first strike. They participated in a 4-on-4 tourney in Hamilton. I have the US Team’s NHLPA jersey (red in colour).

    It’s a highlight of my collection due to how rare the pro jerseys are.[/quote]

    I have a signed Peter Forsberg NHLPA uniform (pro – with tie-down strap) that I won through a draw the NHLPA had.

  • LarryB | April 3, 2009 at 3:29 pm |

    http://vhmhelmetclub...

    http://img.photobuck...

    http://vhmhelmetclub...

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    http://vhmhelmetclub...

    http://img.photobuck...

    An unscientific look at color pictures of Denver mini helmets and black and white pictures of the same helmets.

    The brown horse does appear darker than blue does in black and white. But we have no idea how dark blue or what shade the blue horse would have been.

    A very interesting debate.

  • Teebz | April 3, 2009 at 3:31 pm |

    [quote comment="321305"][quote comment="321259"][quote comment="321257"]
    But it sounds like the though never occurred to you before or after (honestly, do you have merchandise now?). With money behind it, any retail operation can look like good idea but if you can by a David Wright Mets jersey, would you really want a David Wright MLBPA jersey?[/quote]

    I have an NHLPA jersey that the players wore in 1995 during the first strike. They participated in a 4-on-4 tourney in Hamilton. I have the US Team’s NHLPA jersey (red in colour).

    It’s a highlight of my collection due to how rare the pro jerseys are.[/quote]

    I have a signed Peter Forsberg NHLPA uniform (pro – with tie-down strap) that I won through a draw the NHLPA had.[/quote]

    Solid! What colour is it?

    He didn’t play in Hamilton either, so that’s a gem!

  • JTH | April 3, 2009 at 3:32 pm |

    [quote comment="321300"][quote comment="321298"][quote]What’s evil about the Coyotes?[/quote]

    teebz?

    care to answer that?[/quote]

    Not their cheerleaders, I can assure you of that. LOL[/quote]
    Yeah. Teebz loves the Yotes. Check that, he WORSHIPS them. I was just trying to get under his skin by talking shit about his favorite team.

    I meant no disrespect to hockey fans in the Valley of ths Sun.

  • LI Phil | April 3, 2009 at 3:34 pm |

    [quote comment="321303"]So, playing Devil’s Advocate here…supposin’ we find out that the Broncos’ early 1962 helmet logo was brown. Or that it was blue.

    Then what?[/quote]

    well, i don’t really think that the end can be assessed as of itself as being the end because what does the end feel like…it’s like saying when you try to extrapolate the end of the universe, you say, if the universe is indeed infinite, then how — what does that mean — how far is all the way, and then if it stops, what’s stopping it, and what’s behind what’s stopping it?

    so, what’s the end, you know, is my question to you

  • KT | April 3, 2009 at 3:36 pm |

    [quote comment="321308"]I meant no disrespect to hockey fans in the Valley of ths Sun.[/quote]

    Again, no such thing. :)

    Again, kidding. Obviously, there are. But, man, the teams here don’t make it easy.

  • KT | April 3, 2009 at 3:38 pm |

    [quote comment="321309"][quote comment="321303"]So, playing Devil’s Advocate here…supposin’ we find out that the Broncos’ early 1962 helmet logo was brown. Or that it was blue.

    Then what?[/quote]

    well, i don’t really think that the end can be assessed as of itself as being the end because what does the end feel like…it’s like saying when you try to extrapolate the end of the universe, you say, if the universe is indeed infinite, then how — what does that mean — how far is all the way, and then if it stops, what’s stopping it, and what’s behind what’s stopping it?

    so, what’s the end, you know, is my question to you[/quote]

    My only friend, the end.

    Okay, seriously…point being….so what? If it’s blue, so what? If it’s brown, so what?

    I understand the universe we’re dealing with here – having large debates about small things. I just think – personally – that this one has gone too far. It’s just…over the edge.

    “A difference that makes no difference is no difference.” That’s my motto. Well, that and “No baboons in mime.”

  • Teebz | April 3, 2009 at 3:41 pm |

    [quote comment="321308"][quote comment="321300"][quote comment="321298"][quote]What’s evil about the Coyotes?[/quote]

    teebz?

    care to answer that?[/quote]

    Not their cheerleaders, I can assure you of that. LOL[/quote]
    Yeah. Teebz loves the Yotes. Check that, he WORSHIPS them. I was just trying to get under his skin by talking shit about his favorite team.

    I meant no disrespect to hockey fans in the Valley of ths Sun.[/quote]

    I actually have no issue with the Coyotes, and one of the guys I play hockey with is the biggest ‘Yotes fan I know. He has satellite TV just so he can watch ‘Yotes games, and he schedules his life around those broadcasts.

    I kid you not.

  • KT | April 3, 2009 at 3:43 pm |

    [quote comment="321312"]I actually have no issue with the Coyotes, and one of the guys I play hockey with is the biggest ‘Yotes fan I know. He has satellite TV just so he can watch ‘Yotes games, and he schedules his life around those broadcasts.

    I kid you not.[/quote]

    But if they had a third jersey with “YOTES” on the front, that would be too much, right? :)

    (ducks)

  • Teebz | April 3, 2009 at 3:44 pm |

    [quote comment="321313"]
    But if they had a third jersey with “YOTES” on the front, that would be too much, right? :)

    (ducks)[/quote]

    They can burn in hell with the “Bolts” and “Sens” in that case. LOL

  • Priest | April 3, 2009 at 3:45 pm |

    Teebz…

    It is white. I can’t remember all of the details, but I think one season the NHLPA had an online poll or something and everyone who voted got entered into a draw for a jersey of the winner of one of the awards. The jersey is at my parents house right now, but I’d be going there on Tuesday. I’d be glad to take some pictures of it if you’d like (and also look to see if I still have the letter they sent with it for more details… I think I know where that is)

  • anotherguy | April 3, 2009 at 3:46 pm |

    [quote comment="321311"]well, i don’t really think that the end can be assessed as of itself as being the end because what does the end feel like…it’s like saying when you try to extrapolate the end of the universe, you say, if the universe is indeed infinite, then how — what does that mean — how far is all the way, and then if it stops, what’s stopping it, and what’s behind what’s stopping it?

    so, what’s the end, you know, is my question to you[/quote]

    I think I remember this one.

    Donald Sutherland in “Animal House”, right?

  • Joe in Charlotte | April 3, 2009 at 3:46 pm |

    I like the Charlotte Bobcats green unis,oh wait thats because they look like the Charlotte 49ers a basketball team the city actually cares about. Still, they look better than the normal “Knicks-South” look.

  • Hott Rodd | April 3, 2009 at 3:48 pm |

    Ahh.. it all comes down to the Phoenix bashing..

    Leave my city alone!! just because no one knows there is a real live hockey team here… maybe it has to do with their idiotic marketing campaign featuring a hockey playing snowman..

    anyway..

  • LI Phil | April 3, 2009 at 3:49 pm |

    [quote]I think I remember this one[/quote]

    google is your friend…use it

  • KT | April 3, 2009 at 3:50 pm |

    [quote comment="321314"][quote comment="321313"]
    But if they had a third jersey with “YOTES” on the front, that would be too much, right? :)

    (ducks)[/quote]

    They can burn in hell with the “Bolts” and “Sens” in that case. LOL[/quote]

    And Valpo. And Bama. And the Dbacks. And the Rochester Amerks. And so on. And so on. And so on.

  • Teebz | April 3, 2009 at 3:51 pm |

    [quote comment="321318"]Ahh.. it all comes down to the Phoenix bashing..

    Leave my city alone!! just because no one knows there is a real live hockey team here… maybe it has to do with their idiotic marketing campaign featuring a hockey playing snowman..

    anyway..[/quote]

    Therein lies the problem. No one knows what the snowman is, let alone what is he doing on this hardened water with a carved tree branch and little black doorstop. LOL

  • anotherguy | April 3, 2009 at 3:51 pm |

    [quote comment="321320"]google is your friend…use it[/quote]

    You’ll have accuracy. I’ll have popular support. :-)

  • KT | April 3, 2009 at 3:51 pm |

    [quote comment="321318"]Ahh.. it all comes down to the Phoenix bashing..

    Leave my city alone!! just because no one knows there is a real live hockey team here… maybe it has to do with their idiotic marketing campaign featuring a hockey playing snowman..

    anyway..[/quote]

    Hey, I live here, too. I was just kidding.

    The snowman…yeah, that’s not very good. It would help if they’d make the playoffs once in a blue moon, too.

  • JTH | April 3, 2009 at 3:52 pm |

    [quote comment="321314"][quote comment="321313"]
    But if they had a third jersey with “YOTES” on the front, that would be too much, right? :)

    (ducks)[/quote]

    They can burn in hell with the “Bolts” and “Sens” in that case. LOL[/quote]
    Yeah, we can all agree on that one, but the Yotes will look damn good in those 40th-anniversary Jets throwbacks a few short years from now…

  • Hott Rodd | April 3, 2009 at 3:54 pm |

    [quote comment="321322"][quote comment="321318"]Ahh.. it all comes down to the Phoenix bashing..

    Leave my city alone!! just because no one knows there is a real live hockey team here… maybe it has to do with their idiotic marketing campaign featuring a hockey playing snowman..

    anyway..[/quote]

    Therein lies the problem. No one knows what the snowman is, let alone what is he doing on this hardened water with a carved tree branch and little black doorstop. LOL[/quote]

    Naw we know what hard water is.. it’s the frozen water thing that confuses us… :-P

  • LI Phil | April 3, 2009 at 3:55 pm |

    [quote]the Yotes will look damn good in those 40th-anniversary Jets throwbacks a few short years from now[/quote]

    james,

    you can torture teebz, or you can torture ricko, but not both, in one day ;)

  • Hott Rodd | April 3, 2009 at 3:56 pm |

    whereabouts are you from kt?

  • Teebz | April 3, 2009 at 3:58 pm |

    [quote comment="321325"]
    Yeah, we can all agree on that one, but the Yotes will look damn good in those 40th-anniversary Jets throwbacks a few short years from now…[/quote]

    Can you celebrate a 40th-anniversary of the Jets if they stopped existing? Is that even possible?

    Do I need an advanced math degree to figure this one out? LOL

  • Hott Rodd | April 3, 2009 at 4:00 pm |

    Ch[quote comment="321329"][quote comment="321325"]
    Yeah, we can all agree on that one, but the Yotes will look damn good in those 40th-anniversary Jets throwbacks a few short years from now…[/quote]

    Can you celebrate a 40th-anniversary of the Jets if they stopped existing? Is that even possible?

    Do I need an advanced math degree to figure this one out? LOL[/quote]

    Chiefs are celebrating the 50th anniversary of the Dallas Texans? Does that count?
    Or do the ‘Peg Jets fall into Browns/Ravens territory?
    Maybe you should just get over it teebz :-p

  • KT | April 3, 2009 at 4:00 pm |

    [quote comment="321328"]whereabouts are you from kt?[/quote]

    “From” somewhere else, but “live” in north PHX as of 9/2007.

  • Teebz | April 3, 2009 at 4:01 pm |

    [quote comment="321330"]
    Maybe you should just get over it teebz :-p[/quote]

    Or maybe the Coyotes should try being themselves and creating their own history. ;o)

  • JTH | April 3, 2009 at 4:09 pm |

    [quote comment="321327"][quote]the Yotes will look damn good in those 40th-anniversary Jets throwbacks a few short years from now[/quote]

    james,

    you can torture teebz, or you can torture ricko, but not both, in one day ;)[/quote]
    In my defense, I think I exercised pretty good restraint in my reply to Ricko after he predicted that Jay Cutler will turn into Kyle Orton upon donning a Bears jersey.

  • Matt Brosseau | April 3, 2009 at 4:10 pm |

    [quote comment="321330"]
    Or do the ‘Peg Jets fall into Browns/Ravens territory?
    Maybe you should just get over it teebz :-p[/quote]

    It’s not just Teebz, for sure…

    The Phoenix Coyotes might as well not exist for me, along with the Colorado Avalanche and the Carolina Hurricanes. I’ll still call them the Jets, Nordiques and Whalers in conversation. You’ve got two cities where ice hockey doesn’t belong, two terrible nicknames, and about nine or ten horrible sweaters among those squads.

  • concealed78 | April 3, 2009 at 4:13 pm |

    [quote comment="321153"][quote comment="321142"][quote comment="321137"]“You don’t necessarily grow up a Mets fan, but a David Wright fan, and your affinity changes when he changes teams,” said Dan Migala, director of the Graduate School of Sports Business at Northwestern University.

    douchebag[/quote]

    +1

    no…you root for the laundry…and if the mets traded jose straight up for j-roll, for example, i’d be a fan of the mets shortstop[/quote]

    Maybe some or even most people root for the laundry, but that’s not to say many people don’t have player allegences (sp?). I think the dbag comment was a bit overboard. A good example is this year’s Billips / Iverson trade. I would bet more people in Detroit still root more for Chauncey.[/quote]

    I always root the team brand. It’s kind of surreal to root for your own players when they used to be on your enemy (A.J. Pierzynski). Sometimes you never embrace them (Albert Belle), sometimes you’re just indifferent (Thome). When it comes to wearing team jersey stuff, I usually prefer blank jerseys. When Chris Chelios signed with the Red Wings, my red CCM Blackhawks #7 jersey went straight to ebay. Yes Chelios is a HOFer & a class act, but him going to Detroit basically made him dead to me. Sure I thought Tony Gwynn & Greg Maddux were some of the greatest players of their generation & I liked them a lot, it just wouldn’t make me a Padres or Braves /etc fan.

  • KT | April 3, 2009 at 4:15 pm |

    [quote comment="321334"]The Phoenix Coyotes might as well not exist for me, along with the Colorado Avalanche and the Carolina Hurricanes. I’ll still call them the Jets, Nordiques and Whalers in conversation. You’ve got two cities where ice hockey doesn’t belong, two terrible nicknames, and about nine or ten horrible sweaters among those squads.[/quote]

    As Jed Bartlet said, “Well, thanks for trying, but here I am anyway.”

  • KT | April 3, 2009 at 4:20 pm |

    [quote comment="321335"]When Chris Chelios signed with the Red Wings, my red CCM Blackhawks #7 jersey went straight to ebay. Yes Chelios is a HOFer & a class act, but him going to Detroit basically made him dead to me. [/quote]

    You know the Blackhawks traded him, right? So you’re pissed at him for that?

    God forbid someone do what’s best for them without consulting the fans. These aren’t APBA cards, for chrissakes, these are human beings.

    It would be perfectly natural to say, “I love ya, Chris, but I can’t in good conscience cheer for the Red Wings just because of you because they’re our rival, but good luck to you and thanks for the memories.”

    But to say “you’re dead to me” is just radical fanboyism. Sports is a frigging business. Players move on. Teams move on. It ain’t the 1950s and the Dodgers don’t work construction in the offseason and ride the subway to Ebbets Field anymore.

  • Beardface | April 3, 2009 at 4:21 pm |

    [quote comment="321318"]Ahh.. it all comes down to the Phoenix bashing..

    Leave my city alone!! just because no one knows there is a real live hockey team here… maybe it has to do with their idiotic marketing campaign featuring a hockey playing snowman..

    anyway..[/quote]
    LEAVE PHOENIX ALONE!!!

    http://www.podcastin...

  • Teebz | April 3, 2009 at 4:21 pm |

    [quote comment="321336"][quote comment="321334"]The Phoenix Coyotes might as well not exist for me, along with the Colorado Avalanche and the Carolina Hurricanes. I’ll still call them the Jets, Nordiques and Whalers in conversation. You’ve got two cities where ice hockey doesn’t belong, two terrible nicknames, and about nine or ten horrible sweaters among those squads.[/quote]

    As Jed Bartlet said, “Well, thanks for trying, but here I am anyway.”[/quote]

    I’m ok with them being there. In fact, more power to them. Just stop trying to use their old team info that everyone loves.

    Build YOUR brand. Not someone else’s.

  • Beardface | April 3, 2009 at 4:24 pm |

    [quote comment="321334"][quote comment="321330"]
    Or do the ‘Peg Jets fall into Browns/Ravens territory?
    Maybe you should just get over it teebz :-p[/quote]

    It’s not just Teebz, for sure…

    The Phoenix Coyotes might as well not exist for me, along with the Colorado Avalanche and the Carolina Hurricanes. I’ll still call them the Jets, Nordiques and Whalers in conversation. You’ve got two cities where ice hockey doesn’t belong, two terrible nicknames, and about nine or ten horrible sweaters among those squads.[/quote]
    Must suck to not recognize 3 years worth of Stanley Cup Champions because your feelings are hurt due to a team moving…

    You know, while we’re at it, fuck, New Jersey is to now be called Kansas City, the Philadelphia will now be the Maroons, Toronto will be the St. Pats, the Isles will not be the Americans, and Montreal will now be referred to as the Candian Maroons.

  • Beardface | April 3, 2009 at 4:25 pm |

    [quote comment="321340"][quote comment="321334"][quote comment="321330"]
    Or do the ‘Peg Jets fall into Browns/Ravens territory?
    Maybe you should just get over it teebz :-p[/quote]

    It’s not just Teebz, for sure…

    The Phoenix Coyotes might as well not exist for me, along with the Colorado Avalanche and the Carolina Hurricanes. I’ll still call them the Jets, Nordiques and Whalers in conversation. You’ve got two cities where ice hockey doesn’t belong, two terrible nicknames, and about nine or ten horrible sweaters among those squads.[/quote]
    Must suck to not recognize 3 years worth of Stanley Cup Champions because your feelings are hurt due to a team moving…

    You know, while we’re at it, fuck, New Jersey is to now be called Kansas City, the Philadelphia will now be the Maroons, Toronto will be the St. Pats, the Isles will not be the Americans, and Montreal will now be referred to as the Candian Maroons.[/quote]
    Shit, meant to say that Philadelphia will be the Quakers…

    my bad

  • Hott Rodd | April 3, 2009 at 4:29 pm |

    While the subject has been brought up, What should I do with the jersey of the star receiver who was released this offseason that is hanging in my closet? Any thoughts?

  • Hott Rodd | April 3, 2009 at 4:31 pm |

    btw, i know teebz knows i’m just screwing with him, but since i forgot to turn on the sarcasm tags for the benefit of the others here, mea culpa.

  • Mike Calagna | April 3, 2009 at 4:33 pm |

    [quote comment="321342"]While the subject has been brought up, What should I do with the jersey of the star receiver who was released this offseason that is hanging in my closet? Any thoughts?[/quote]

    Don’t wear it in hostile territory

  • anotherguy | April 3, 2009 at 4:37 pm |

    [quote comment="321333"]In my defense, I think I exercised pretty good restraint in my reply to Ricko after he predicted that Jay Cutler will turn into Kyle Orton upon donning a Bears jersey.[/quote]

    Bad beard?

    Drinking in crazy little Iowa bars and flipping off cameraphones?

  • concealed78 | April 3, 2009 at 4:38 pm |

    [quote comment="321337"][quote comment="321335"]When Chris Chelios signed with the Red Wings, my red CCM Blackhawks #7 jersey went straight to ebay. Yes Chelios is a HOFer & a class act, but him going to Detroit basically made him dead to me. [/quote]

    You know the Blackhawks traded him, right? So you’re pissed at him for that?

    God forbid someone do what’s best for them without consulting the fans. These aren’t APBA cards, for chrissakes, these are human beings.

    It would be perfectly natural to say, “I love ya, Chris, but I can’t in good conscience cheer for the Red Wings just because of you because they’re our rival, but good luck to you and thanks for the memories.”

    But to say “you’re dead to me” is just radical fanboyism. Sports is a frigging business. Players move on. Teams move on. It ain’t the 1950s and the Dodgers don’t work construction in the offseason and ride the subway to Ebbets Field anymore.[/quote]

    My bad. I forgot he was traded. I don’t mean to sound like an ass, but I just don’t have the energy to root for him & what he does on the Red Wings, because after all, I can’t stand anything a Red Wing does. I just completely detach myself of all-things Chelios, for example. If anything, free agency has made me numb to pledging specific allegiances to players.

  • chance | April 3, 2009 at 4:38 pm |

    [quote comment="321277"]I was such a die hard lifelong Packers fan and never could have dreamed that would have changed. But then Brett Favre was traded and it did. [/quote]
    And now?

    I’m sure there were some people who dropped the Bays when Johnny Blood jumped to Pittsburgh (and then resumed their lifelong fanhood when he returned, and gave up on the Packers again when he went back to Pittsburgh), but I’d have a hard time taking them very seriously.

    Players, even great ones, are temporary. Teams endure.

  • Teebz | April 3, 2009 at 4:39 pm |

    [quote comment="321340"][quote comment="321334"][quote comment="321330"]
    Or do the ‘Peg Jets fall into Browns/Ravens territory?
    Maybe you should just get over it teebz :-p[/quote]

    It’s not just Teebz, for sure…

    The Phoenix Coyotes might as well not exist for me, along with the Colorado Avalanche and the Carolina Hurricanes. I’ll still call them the Jets, Nordiques and Whalers in conversation. You’ve got two cities where ice hockey doesn’t belong, two terrible nicknames, and about nine or ten horrible sweaters among those squads.[/quote]
    Must suck to not recognize 3 years worth of Stanley Cup Champions because your feelings are hurt due to a team moving…

    You know, while we’re at it, fuck, New Jersey is to now be called Kansas City, the Philadelphia will now be the Maroons, Toronto will be the St. Pats, the Isles will not be the Americans, and Montreal will now be referred to as the Candian Maroons.[/quote]

    You know, BF, if you made your argument without the blinding sarcasm, you might get a better response.

    First off, know your history.
    Secondly, compare apples to apples instead of trying to look like a smartass.

    The Toronto Maple Leafs are the Toronto St. Pats. The problem is that they were called the Toronto Arenas first. It’s all the same organization. THEY NEVER MOVED LIKE WINNIPEG, QUEBEC, OR HARTFORD.

    The Montreal Maroons were the Anglophone team in Montreal whereas the Canadiens were the Francophone team. They are two separate and very distinct teams that played in the same city. Calling the Canadiens as the “Maroons” would be equivalent to renaming the Mets as the Yankees v2.0. Also, THEY NEVER MOVED LIKE WINNIPEG, QUEBEC, OR HARTFORD.

    New Jersey is the name of a state. Why would you rename a state as “Kansas City”? If you want to call the Devils “the Scouts”, why not call them the Rockies instead? They had far more success in Colorado than they did for their short 2 years in KC.

    The New York Americans were never on Long Island. In fact, they were renamed the Brooklyn Americans to separate themselves from the Rangers as much as possible, despite playing in the same facility – Madison Square Garden. But, THEY NEVER MOVED LIKE WINNIPEG, QUEBEC, OR HARTFORD.

    Apples to apples, man. That’s all that needs to be said.

  • Teebz | April 3, 2009 at 4:40 pm |

    [quote comment="321343"]btw, i know teebz knows i’m just screwing with him, but since i forgot to turn on the sarcasm tags for the benefit of the others here, mea culpa.[/quote]

    All good on my end, Roddy. :o)

  • Stan a.k.a. the took | April 3, 2009 at 4:42 pm |

    The name F.C. New York isn’t bad they could be the Rowdies, or the Rough Riders or Mutiny etc. I think we’re just not really used to names like that in the States as in AC or FC.

    The logo is not bad and I like it as a resident of Queens I find it really cool that they use my borough’s history, colors, and symbols in the logo… I sorta wished the would of put the unisphere on there sorta like the sounders did with the space needle. Maybe they’ll tweak the logo some more.

    Guessing from logo I think the colors will be Sky Blue and White which is nice too because that’s even more representation of Queens. I would imagine that the team would move to Queens eventually.

    Either way I hope it works out cause it would be nice to have a team to watch even if it’s a shitty team. Sorry about the long post.

  • anotherguy | April 3, 2009 at 4:44 pm |

    [quote comment="321323]google is your friend…use it[/quote]

    Oh man, now that I DID take the time to google, I feel badly. I should have been more familar with that one.

    Okay, I’ll still have popular support, but it’s a much closer call now. :-)

    And now I will spontaneously combust.

  • concealed78 | April 3, 2009 at 4:44 pm |

    [quote comment="321342"]While the subject has been brought up, What should I do with the jersey of the star receiver who was released this offseason that is hanging in my closet? Any thoughts?[/quote]

    Well, I say if you’re really attached to it, put it in a time capsule & break it out 10-15 years from now. If not, ebay it.

  • anotherguy | April 3, 2009 at 4:49 pm |

    [quote comment="321347"]
    And now?

    I’m sure there were some people who dropped the Bays when Johnny Blood jumped to Pittsburgh (and then resumed their lifelong fanhood when he returned, and gave up on the Packers again when he went back to Pittsburgh), but I’d have a hard time taking them very seriously.

    Players, even great ones, are temporary. Teams endure.[/quote]

    A) Johnny Blood: coolest non-Bears NFL player name ever.

    B) Fame is but a vapor, popularity is an accident and money takes wings. Only character endures.

    (Sorry, don’t get to use one of my favorite quotes very often so I pull it out whenever I can.)

  • Hott Rodd | April 3, 2009 at 5:06 pm |

    I live in Hostile Territory.

  • Teebz | April 3, 2009 at 5:09 pm |

    [quote comment="321354"]I live in Hostile Territory.[/quote]

    Is that a new Phoenix suburb? LOL

  • Ricko | April 3, 2009 at 5:13 pm |

    [quote comment="321333"][quote comment="321327"][quote]the Yotes will look damn good in those 40th-anniversary Jets throwbacks a few short years from now[/quote]

    james,

    you can torture teebz, or you can torture ricko, but not both, in one day ;)[/quote]
    In my defense, I think I exercised pretty good restraint in my reply to Ricko after he predicted that Jay Cutler will turn into Kyle Orton upon donning a Bears jersey.[/quote]

    I didn’t PREDICT it, I said that if the apparent curse (or whatever you want to call it) that seems to afflict the Bears’ QB position continued that would happen.

    “…if wearing a Bears jersey effects Cutler the way it has effected other QBs…”

    —Ricko

  • anotherguy | April 3, 2009 at 5:20 pm |

    [quote comment="321356"]
    “…if wearing a Bears jersey effects Cutler the way it has effected other QBs…”[/quote]
    …he’ll go to the Playboy Mansion and instead of hitting on any one of dozens of available women there, he’ll insist on trying to bag the ONLY ONE declared “property of Hugh H” and therefore off limits (and get his ass booted off the estate)?

  • joe | April 3, 2009 at 5:21 pm |

    [quote comment="321337"][quote comment="321335"]When Chris Chelios signed with the Red Wings, my red CCM Blackhawks #7 jersey went straight to ebay. Yes Chelios is a HOFer & a class act, but him going to Detroit basically made him dead to me. [/quote]

    You know the Blackhawks traded him, right? So you’re pissed at him for that?

    God forbid someone do what’s best for them without consulting the fans. These aren’t APBA cards, for chrissakes, these are human beings.

    It would be perfectly natural to say, “I love ya, Chris, but I can’t in good conscience cheer for the Red Wings just because of you because they’re our rival, but good luck to you and thanks for the memories.”

    But to say “you’re dead to me” is just radical fanboyism. Sports is a frigging business. Players move on. Teams move on. It ain’t the 1950s and the Dodgers don’t work construction in the offseason and ride the subway to Ebbets Field anymore.[/quote]

    Yes, people in Chicago are pissed at him. They are pissed at him because like a week before he was traded he was on TV stating that he would never play for detroit, and then a week later he ASKED to be traded there and was. It was bad enough that he went to detroit, but the fact he asked to go there and has just said he never would go there as the problem. I boo him when he plays Chicago too, although I still have his jersey and wear it, I would never wear it to a game against detroit though. I’m pissed at him on a hockey level not a personal level.

  • Stuby | April 3, 2009 at 5:32 pm |

    [quote comment="321342"]While the subject has been brought up, What should I do with the jersey of the star receiver who was released this offseason that is hanging in my closet? Any thoughts?[/quote]
    Who ya got? T.O.? Plaxico? Torry Holt?

  • JTH | April 3, 2009 at 5:43 pm |

    [quote comment="321356"][quote comment="321333"][quote comment="321327"][quote]the Yotes will look damn good in those 40th-anniversary Jets throwbacks a few short years from now[/quote]

    james,

    you can torture teebz, or you can torture ricko, but not both, in one day ;)[/quote]
    In my defense, I think I exercised pretty good restraint in my reply to Ricko after he predicted that Jay Cutler will turn into Kyle Orton upon donning a Bears jersey.[/quote]

    I didn’t PREDICT it, I said that if the apparent curse (or whatever you want to call it) that seems to afflict the Bears’ QB position continued that would happen.

    “…if wearing a Bears jersey effects Cutler the way it has effected other QBs…”

    —Ricko[/quote]
    OK, misconstrued what you wrote. You merely suggested that there was a strong chance that it could happen.

  • Jeff P | April 3, 2009 at 5:48 pm |

    [quote comment="321348"][quote comment="321340"][quote comment="321334"][quote comment="321330"]
    Or do the ‘Peg Jets fall into Browns/Ravens territory?
    Maybe you should just get over it teebz :-p[/quote]

    It’s not just Teebz, for sure…

    The Phoenix Coyotes might as well not exist for me, along with the Colorado Avalanche and the Carolina Hurricanes. I’ll still call them the Jets, Nordiques and Whalers in conversation. You’ve got two cities where ice hockey doesn’t belong, two terrible nicknames, and about nine or ten horrible sweaters among those squads.[/quote]
    Must suck to not recognize 3 years worth of Stanley Cup Champions because your feelings are hurt due to a team moving…

    You know, while we’re at it, fuck, New Jersey is to now be called Kansas City, the Philadelphia will now be the Maroons, Toronto will be the St. Pats, the Isles will not be the Americans, and Montreal will now be referred to as the Candian Maroons.[/quote]

    You know, BF, if you made your argument without the blinding sarcasm, you might get a better response.

    First off, know your history.
    Secondly, compare apples to apples instead of trying to look like a smartass.

    The Toronto Maple Leafs are the Toronto St. Pats. The problem is that they were called the Toronto Arenas first. It’s all the same organization. THEY NEVER MOVED LIKE WINNIPEG, QUEBEC, OR HARTFORD.

    The Montreal Maroons were the Anglophone team in Montreal whereas the Canadiens were the Francophone team. They are two separate and very distinct teams that played in the same city. Calling the Canadiens as the “Maroons” would be equivalent to renaming the Mets as the Yankees v2.0. Also, THEY NEVER MOVED LIKE WINNIPEG, QUEBEC, OR HARTFORD.

    New Jersey is the name of a state. Why would you rename a state as “Kansas City”? If you want to call the Devils “the Scouts”, why not call them the Rockies instead? They had far more success in Colorado than they did for their short 2 years in KC.

    The New York Americans were never on Long Island. In fact, they were renamed the Brooklyn Americans to separate themselves from the Rangers as much as possible, despite playing in the same facility – Madison Square Garden. But, THEY NEVER MOVED LIKE WINNIPEG, QUEBEC, OR HARTFORD.

    Apples to apples, man. That’s all that needs to be said.[/quote]
    Okay, Name the team: The owner of A fairly well established team that got decent fan support has trouble with a few business deals, falls into debt, and has to sell the team. The new owner immediately moves them to his home despite their actual success.

    Sound familiar? It should. That’s how Canada got the flames.

    Moves happen. Get the F over it.

  • Teebz | April 3, 2009 at 6:00 pm |

    [quote comment="321361"]
    Okay, Name the team: The owner of A fairly well established team that got decent fan support has trouble with a few business deals, falls into debt, and has to sell the team. The new owner immediately moves them to his home despite their actual success.

    Sound familiar? It should. That’s how Canada got the flames.

    Moves happen. Get the F over it.[/quote]

    Canada never got the Flames. But thanks for assuming the second-largest country on this planet adopted one team.

    My examples were very clearly laid out. They had nothing to do with your rant. As I stated before, I’m ok with Phoenix having the Coyotes. Just stop trying to adopt Winnipeg.

    You don’t see the Flames throwing back to the Atlanta days, do you?

    By the way, know your history. The Atlanta Flames never got good fan support or drew a major TV deal. That’s why they left town. They couldn’t afford to stay in Atlanta (which sounds a lot like today’s team).

  • JTH | April 3, 2009 at 6:19 pm |

    [quote comment="321362"]
    Canada never got the Flames. But thanks for assuming the second-largest country on this planet adopted one team.[/quote]
    What? You didn’t know they’re Canada’s team? From Nunavut to New Brunswick — everybody loves the Flames.

  • Beardface | April 3, 2009 at 6:26 pm |

    [quote comment="321362"]You don’t see the Flames throwing back to the Atlanta days, do you?[/quote]
    Every night

    http://sportsillustr...

  • LI Phil | April 3, 2009 at 6:32 pm |

    i spose it was too much to ask the mets to, ya know, wear the pinstripes and blue caps/socks for the “unofficial” opening of citi field

    but at least the red sox are wearing their shiny blue BP (or are they?) jerseys with red pit stains

    so it’s all good

    /pics to follow shortly

  • Beardface | April 3, 2009 at 6:35 pm |

    [quote comment="321365"]i spose it was too much to ask the mets to, ya know, wear the pinstripes and blue caps/socks for the “unofficial” opening of citi field

    but at least the red sox are wearing their shiny blue BP (or are they?) jerseys with red pit stains

    so it’s all good

    /pics to follow shortly[/quote]
    Correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t pitstains = BP in the majors? I know college teams and the WBC are different, but I can’t recall any MLB (or MiLB team for that fact) wearing pitstains on a non-BP jersey.,

  • Ferdinand Cesarano | April 3, 2009 at 6:41 pm |

    [quote comment="321362"]You don’t see the Flames throwing back to the Atlanta days, do you?[/quote]

    In a way, you do see that: they use the Atlanta “A” for the assistant captain:

    http://i.a.cnn.net/s...

    Anyway, while any sane person abhors the move of NHL teams to the South, it is definitely a good thing if franchise continuity is respected. So, if Phoenix wants someday to wear Winnipeg throwbacks, I say that that would be great. After all, even the Dodgers have worn “Brooklyn” unis (not exactly throwbacks, since the unis didn’t exactly dupicate any past year’s uni), which I think was wonderful.

    What happenned in the NFL with Cleveland is a travesty. The NFL acceded to the demands to “keep the records” in Cleveland only to stave off any possible litigation on that question. The sad upshot of this bad decision is that we will soon have an entire generation of kiddies who doen’t even know that the Ravens are the original Browns. (Not to mention the “copycat crime” that occurred with San Jose in MLS.)

    This is objectionable because a franchise is a continuous entity, no matter where it moves to; and assauging the hurt feelings of jilted fans does not justify playing “let’s pretend” with the facts of history.

  • LI Phil | April 3, 2009 at 6:42 pm |

    [quote comment="321366"][quote comment="321365"]i spose it was too much to ask the mets to, ya know, wear the pinstripes and blue caps/socks for the “unofficial” opening of citi field

    but at least the red sox are wearing their shiny blue BP (or are they?) jerseys with red pit stains

    so it’s all good

    /pics to follow shortly[/quote]
    Correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t pitstains = BP in the majors? I know college teams and the WBC are different, but I can’t recall any MLB (or MiLB team for that fact) wearing pitstains on a non-BP jersey.,[/quote]

    im pretty sure you’re right…this appears to be what they’re wearing…i wasn’t certain if they had the full, two-color side panels like so many teams have when i made that initial post

    having now re-seen the blue BP jersey, i’d say that’s exactly what it is

  • Teebz | April 3, 2009 at 7:11 pm |

    [quote comment="321364"][quote comment="321362"]You don’t see the Flames throwing back to the Atlanta days, do you?[/quote]
    Every night

    http://sportsillustr...

    Yeah, every night. They wear the Flaming A on their chests. And they haven’t changed the colour scheme once since 1972. Because the Atlanta Flames were notorious for their use of black. And flaming horse heads.

    Oh, and I suppose Atlanta wore both a Canadian flag patch and an Alberta flag patch.

    Right. Throwback. Good one.

  • Teebz | April 3, 2009 at 7:13 pm |

    [quote comment="321367"][quote comment="321362"]You don’t see the Flames throwing back to the Atlanta days, do you?[/quote]

    In a way, you do see that: they use the Atlanta “A” for the assistant captain:

    http://i.a.cnn.net/s...

    Anyway, while any sane person abhors the move of NHL teams to the South, it is definitely a good thing if franchise continuity is respected. So, if Phoenix wants someday to wear Winnipeg throwbacks, I say that that would be great. After all, even the Dodgers have worn “Brooklyn” unis (not exactly throwbacks, since the unis didn’t exactly dupicate any past year’s uni), which I think was wonderful.

    What happenned in the NFL with Cleveland is a travesty. The NFL acceded to the demands to “keep the records” in Cleveland only to stave off any possible litigation on that question. The sad upshot of this bad decision is that we will soon have an entire generation of kiddies who doen’t even know that the Ravens are the original Browns. (Not to mention the “copycat crime” that occurred with San Jose in MLS.)

    This is objectionable because a franchise is a continuous entity, no matter where it moves to; and assauging the hurt feelings of jilted fans does not justify playing “let’s pretend” with the facts of history.[/quote]

    So you endorse that they build a brand they will never, ever use for anything but a one-night promotion?

    You wanna know why hockey in the south is failing? It has NO IDENTITY to Sunbelters. And adding more things they can’t relate to onlt drives them further away.

  • Beardface | April 3, 2009 at 7:45 pm |

    [quote comment="321369"][quote comment="321364"][quote comment="321362"]You don’t see the Flames throwing back to the Atlanta days, do you?[/quote]
    Every night

    http://sportsillustr...

    Yeah, every night. They wear the Flaming A on their chests. And they haven’t changed the colour scheme once since 1972. Because the Atlanta Flames were notorious for their use of black. And flaming horse heads.

    Oh, and I suppose Atlanta wore both a Canadian flag patch and an Alberta flag patch.

    Right. Throwback. Good one.[/quote]
    I’m just sayin… you said that Calgary never throws back to the Atlanta days when clearly thats false considering 2 players wear the Atlanta Flames logo on a nightly basis…

  • Teebz | April 3, 2009 at 7:48 pm |

    [quote comment="321371"][quote comment="321369"][quote comment="321364"][quote comment="321362"]You don’t see the Flames throwing back to the Atlanta days, do you?[/quote]
    Every night

    http://sportsillustr...

    Yeah, every night. They wear the Flaming A on their chests. And they haven’t changed the colour scheme once since 1972. Because the Atlanta Flames were notorious for their use of black. And flaming horse heads.

    Oh, and I suppose Atlanta wore both a Canadian flag patch and an Alberta flag patch.

    Right. Throwback. Good one.[/quote]
    I’m just sayin… you said that Calgary never throws back to the Atlanta days when clearly thats false considering 2 players wear the Atlanta Flames logo on a nightly basis…[/quote]

    If you believe that, you clearly don’t watch hockey or have no clue what the Atlanta Flames wore. You’re stretching further than spandex on a rather obese person.

  • RedWing in Colorado | April 3, 2009 at 7:50 pm |

    Someone was mentioning all of the uniform changes that the Broncos have gone through, and it made me realize the superior absurdity of the situation, especially when you consider that their hated rivals, da Raiders and the Chiefs, could basically “throw back” to their current uniform sets and the Broncos insist on wearing those clown-suits.

    Orton will look like Cutler did in Denver, Cutler will struggle in Chicago because of their lack of downfield threats.

  • Marcus Hall - Sooo close to opening day!! | April 3, 2009 at 8:47 pm |

    Inspired by Pretty Boy Paulie Soto…..

    Baltimore Road Uni in the Buff

  • JTH | April 3, 2009 at 10:05 pm |

    [quote comment="321373"]Orton will look like Cutler did in Denver, Cutler will struggle in Chicago because of their lack of downfield threats.[/quote]
    1) The thing people seem not to understand is that the Bears have a couple of good tight ends and a running back who caught a lot of passes last season. Do they have a #1 wide receiver? No. Do they have a #2? Uh, maybe.

    2) Let’s wait until all after the draft and all free agent signings are over and done with before we start guessing what’s going to happen this fall. Who knows if the Bears will pick up that #1 WR?

    3) Kyle Orton’s a serviceable quarterback and a good guy, but do you have any idea how many times a Bears’ receiver (usually Devin Hester) was wide open down the field last season only to have Orton completely miss the target? It seems like it happened at least twice a game.

    4) Will Orton even be the starter in Denver? I’m not so sure Chris Simms won’t win the job.

  • anotherguy | April 3, 2009 at 10:15 pm |

    [quote comment="321375"]
    3) Kyle Orton’s a serviceable quarterback and a good guy, but do you have any idea how many times a Bears’ receiver (usually Devin Hester) was wide open down the field last season only to have Orton completely miss the target? It seems like it happened at least twice a game.[/quote]
    With Cutler’s arm and Hester’s speed, the opposing backfield will have to be a little more honest this year. That should open things up a bit more for the TE as well as Forte (running and catching).

  • =bg= | April 4, 2009 at 1:04 am |

    [quote comment="321309"][quote comment="321303"]So, playing Devil’s Advocate here…supposin’ we find out that the Broncos’ early 1962 helmet logo was brown. Or that it was blue.

    Then what?[/quote]

    well, i don’t really think that the end can be assessed as of itself as being the end because what does the end feel like…it’s like saying when you try to extrapolate the end of the universe, you say, if the universe is indeed infinite, then how — what does that mean — how far is all the way, and then if it stops, what’s stopping it, and what’s behind what’s stopping it?

    so, what’s the end, you know, is my question to you[/quote]

    What would happen? Well, did you see the Death Star in Star Wars, when it would wind up and blast one of those pitiful planets? Like that.

  • coachie ballgames | April 4, 2009 at 10:37 pm |

    re: fc new york.

    It boggles my mind that most soccer teams in MLS and USL continue to avoid playing in cities, where there are more soccer fanatics than in the suburbs and who are more prone to actually attend games.
    Columbia’s stadium in upper Manhattan and Icahn Stadium on Randall’s Island are both perfectly fine for actual city residents to attend games.

  • LI Phil | April 6, 2009 at 12:35 am |

    test