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Filling a Gap in the Historical Record

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For years now, many of us have lamented the fact that this NFL uniform database (which has plenty of errors but is still the best resource out there) only goes back to 1959. Now Tim Brulia — the same guy who previously compiled our NFL “White at Home” page — has attempted to document all pro football uniforms from 1933 through 1958. The results can be found here.

As you’ll see, it’s just a lengthy series of text descriptions — no visuals. But it’s a start. And hopefully someone with design skills will come along and work with Tim to create a visual database. (Special thanks to Phil for helping to edit and format Tim’s text files.)

New ESPN column today — here’s the link.

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The Proctor Files, Continued: As I expected, Tuesday’s entry about the 1967 Russell Southern uniform catalog prompted some reminiscing from sporting goods scholar Terry Proctor:

That 1967 edition of the Russell catalog is the first one that I used at Ruby’s Sporting Goods. The style numbers and nomenclature used in it came back to me instantaneously. It’s like riding a bike — you never forget. I toured that factory in Alex City and their satellite plant in Dadeville, and I personally knew many of the people listed on that page.

One of the first orders I wrote from that book was for the Style 13524 football jerseys [as seen at the bottom of this page — PL] that we sold to my high school, Livonia Central High. They ordered royal blue jerseys with orange inserts. Numbers front and back were in solid-orange RussCote, while the TV numbers were solid royal in the insert. The varsity team wore those jerseys through the 1976 season and then they were passed down to the JVs. Like I said in our interview, you couldn’t kill a Russell football jersey.

To me, this catalog is the Holy Grail. It’s a reminder of my first, permanent job and all of the enjoyment I got from creating and selling uniforms, and a testament to how great the uniform business was at one time.

I’m very, very fond of this catalog myself, but it obviously means a lot more to Terry than it could ever mean to me. So after I finish scanning all of its pages, I’m going to send it to him. Enjoy, Terry — thanks for sharing all your knowledge and memories with us.

Raffle Reminder: Today’s the last day to enter the raffle for the soccer club jacket. For details, look here.

Uni Watch News Ticker: No more forfeited timeouts! Yesterday the NCAA issued lots of football rules revisions, including one pertaining to color-vs.-color games: “[The rules committee] approved a request to allow teams, when approved by the conference office and agreed to by both teams, to wear colored jerseys as long as they are clearly contrasting in color. When agreement is unable to be reached, the visiting team shall wear white.” … Interesting story from Craig Friday, who writes: “In 1998 Trent Dilfer of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers had an equipment manager put Terry Bradshaw’s old facebar on his helmet. He wore it in a nationally televised game against Tennessee. From what I remember, he did it as a tribute to Bradshaw, who was one of his boyhood role models.” Anyone know more about this? … The Bulls wore red at home on Tuesday night, as a tribute to former coach and broadcaster Johnny “Red” Kerr. They also had this logo on the court and held a halftime ceremony for Kerr. … Reprinted from yesterday’s comments: color-coordinated hot water bottle! … Nick Noyes reports that the goalies in Tuesday’s Italy/Brazil friendly match were wearing scarves, and many of the players were wearing black gloves. … Here’s what appears to be the final chapter in the story about that woman who stumbled upon rare baseball card. … Someone on the Chris Creamer board has noted that the state of Georgia offers license plates with shout-outs to several non-Georgia schools. … Very cool vintage NFL book cover available here (with thanks to Mike Hersh). … Jeremy Brahm reports that the Vancouver Olympic torch design will be unveiled today. As you may recall from last summer, torch design has a surprisingly interesting history. … Back in December I ran this photo of a first initial appearing after the surname. Is this (which appeared in yesterday’s comments) another example of that phenomenon, or is it just a typical eBay fraud? … Oooh, very nice. … Can anyone explain how a bone nailed to a plank can harden bats? (With thanks to AJ Chalifour.) … Personal appeal from Joe Hilseberg, who writes: “I run a charity called CF4CF, in honor of my cousin, who passed away from cystic fibrosis. On April 3rd we’re having a benefit concert featuring her all-time favorite band, Mr. Greengenes, who are VERY much into the uniform/jersey world. They wear jerseys onstage all of the time, plus they’re the Phillies’ ‘official’ band and are on hand for pretty much every important sporting event in Philly.” For further details on this event, look here. … Ben Traxel has a bunch of old Sports Illustrated mini-posters, several of which raise interesting questions: (1) Are those back-yard gardening gloves or what? (2) Who were the Cardinals memorializing with that thick left-sleeve armband? (3) Are there any other teams that used team-styled uni numbers on their QB towels? (4) Did Phil Simms always autograph things as “Phill”? … Ben also has this poster catalog, all eight pages of which can be viewed here. … Nike is hyping its Pro Combat gear for the NBA All-Star Game. Details here. … Umpires usually wear solid-black shoes with relatively low-profile logo creep, but Reebok is bucking that trend with this white-logo model, which is now the official umpiring shoe of Major League Baseball. There’s some discussion about it here (with thanks to Mike Meihls). … Apparently there’s a whole subculture of people out there who like to repaint and customize McFarlane figures. Details here (with thanks to Jeff Katz).

 

219 comments to Filling a Gap in the Historical Record

  • Shane | February 12, 2009 at 8:00 am |

    I think I had another typo when I sent that shot last night, Paul.

    I believe the correct spelling is actually Klejstan. But who knows. I barely recognized the dude with his hair cut short.

  • Mike Edgerly | February 12, 2009 at 8:09 am |

    Dilfer wore Bradshaw’s mask on Nov 9, 1998 vs the Oilers. There are blurbs about that from the St. Pete Times archives, no pics, though, still digging.

    http://pqasb.pqarchi...

    http://pqasb.pqarchi...

  • BWings | February 12, 2009 at 8:20 am |

    Seeing the helmet in the main photo, I now know where the Texas Rangers got the idea for their batting helmets.

  • Robert in Dallas | February 12, 2009 at 8:22 am |

    As worded in the quote, the NCAA color v. color rule would preclude LSU wearing white on the road. I am sure that such a rule, even if it is truly worded in the same manner as the quote, would not be enforced against LSU though.

  • kandor5 | February 12, 2009 at 8:23 am |

    I used to try the bone on the bat thing when I was a kid after reading somewhere that it was supposed to “close the grain” of the bat and make it harder. I’m not exactly sure how that happens unless the thought is that some of the bone material rubs off into any irregularities in the wood surface.

  • Bob | February 12, 2009 at 8:32 am |

    The Cardinals’ black arm band apparently was for tight end J.V. Cain, who died in training camp in 1979. I’ve seen the highlights of a Steelers-Cards game from ’79 on my Super Bowl highlight DVD set, and the Cards were wearing black arm bands that year.

    J.V. Cain’s Wikipedia page

  • Scott | February 12, 2009 at 8:34 am |

    That’s not a water bottle … it’s an old-school “heating pad.” Heck, I can’t even think of the word for it. It’s used to warm hands, warm aching backs, things like that … not to drink from.

  • Ryan Connelly 40 | February 12, 2009 at 8:34 am |

    “In 1998 Trent Dilfer of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers had an equipment manager put Terry Bradshaw’s old facebar on his helmet”

    i remember that game! i think it was a monday-nighter! i forget who they played though…

  • Mike | February 12, 2009 at 8:39 am |

    Virginia, too, has many different college teams represented that do not hail from VA on their license plates. I have seen Maryland, Penn State, UNC, Florida, Florida State, and Ohio State. Much to my chagrin, no Michigan (and no Central Michigan either, but not many outside of the Great Lakes state give the Chippewas any love).

  • Paul Lukas | February 12, 2009 at 8:41 am |

    [quote comment=”314544″]That’s not a water bottle … it’s an old-school “heating pad.” Heck, I can’t even think of the word for it. It’s used to warm hands, warm aching backs, things like that … not to drink from.[/quote]

    I know it’s not to drink from. But it’s still called a hot water bottle.

  • Mike Hersh | February 12, 2009 at 8:41 am |

    Boning a bat compacts the wood fibers to create a harder surface for the ball to impact, therefore increasing the durability of the bat and a baseball’s jump off the bat.

  • Paul Lukas | February 12, 2009 at 8:44 am |

    [quote comment=”314538″]I think I had another typo when I sent that shot last night, Paul.

    I believe the correct spelling is actually Klejstan. But who knows. I barely recognized the dude with his hair cut short.[/quote]

    Actually it’s Kljestan:
    http://www.ussoccer....

    Which means the NOB on his jersey was correct all along, not a typo. I’m removing that item from the Ticker.

  • Tyler | February 12, 2009 at 8:46 am |

    I just wanted to say how awesome it is of Paul to give the catalog to Terry Proctor. I guess you could say Paul “Gets it”. No trademark infringement intended.

  • Mike | February 12, 2009 at 8:52 am |

    It was/is done to compress the grain on the bat to make it more dense, therefore a harder hitting surface. I would guess very few players today still use a cow femur or jaw bone. I have heard of guys using bottles or even other bats for the process. Bone-rubbing is usually for the softer woods such as ash. Maple bats are a very tough wood and do not require boning.

  • Mike | February 12, 2009 at 8:55 am |

    [quote comment=”314546″]Virginia, too, has many different college teams represented that do not hail from VA on their license plates. I have seen Maryland, Penn State, UNC, Florida, Florida State, and Ohio State. Much to my chagrin, no Michigan (and no Central Michigan either, but not many outside of the Great Lakes state give the Chippewas any love).[/quote]

    Don’t forget the Midshipman from USNA!

  • LI Phil | February 12, 2009 at 8:56 am |

    first time i ever heard about “boning” a bat was way back when The Natural came out, and hobbs is talking to a teammate, who is admiring “wonderboy”…guy says something like “there’s not a nick on it” and hobbs replies, “well, i boned it, so it wouldn’t chip”

    /wonder if there’s truth to that, or just kinda morphed into an urban legend

  • Chip | February 12, 2009 at 8:56 am |

    Gianluigi Buffon, Italy’s goalkeeper, is actually kind of known for scarves and/or big headbands when he plays.

    Gigi Buffon 1

    Gigi Buffon 2

  • SpellsGood | February 12, 2009 at 8:57 am |

    I think the requirement for adding a new license plate in GA is 5,000 signatures or something like that. By what I’ve seen in 4.5 yrs in GA, I would only need about 4,997 more University of Minnesota grads to sign with me. (And exactly 4,999 Minnesota-Duluth grads.)

  • Kim | February 12, 2009 at 9:04 am |

    [quote comment=”314554″]Gianluigi Buffon, Italy’s goalkeeper, is actually kind of known for scarves and/or big headbands when he plays.

    Gigi Buffon 1

    Gigi Buffon 2[/quote]

    But is that really a scarf (both in those pictures and the ticker pictures) or is it one of those neck warmer things. Kind of a fleecy turtleneck without the shirt?

    What the Brazilian keeper is wearing, especially, doesn’t scream ‘scarf’.

  • Original Jim | February 12, 2009 at 9:06 am |

    Visible logos on umpires’ plate shoes is relatively new. But logos and markings have been evident on the base shoes for years. I own a pair of adidas base shoes that were worn in the late 90s. They were pretty comfortable, but I finally got around to purchasing New Balance plate and base shoes, and these are a lot more comfortable.

  • Neil | February 12, 2009 at 9:11 am |

    Italian football players are also renowned for being colossal wussies. It was 40 degrees in London when they played Brazil.

  • Glenn | February 12, 2009 at 9:12 am |

    Got my Broncos season ticket renewal information yesterday, and its nice to see that they’re acknowledging the team’s (as well as the AFL’s) 50th season.

    broncos50
    and while I appreciate their effort on the inside for showing the home opponents with “nostalgic” logos, it makes me wish they would have gotten the Steelers/Giants/Cowboys correct for 1960…heck, the Patriots as well

    opponents
    I do like the AFL 50th logo though. I would assume that the original AFL teams will be wearing a patch or something throughout the season to commemorate this?

  • Roger Faso | February 12, 2009 at 9:14 am |

    [quote comment=”314553″]first time i ever heard about “boning” a bat was way back when The Natural came out, and hobbs is talking to a teammate, who is admiring “wonderboy”…guy says something like “there’s not a nick on it” and hobbs replies, “well, i boned it, so it wouldn’t chip”

    /wonder if there’s truth to that, or just kinda morphed into an urban legend[/quote]

    Well that picture really clears things up. I imagined something totally different when Redford delivered that line.

    whew

  • K in PA | February 12, 2009 at 9:19 am |

    [quote comment=” “]Apparently there’s a whole subculture of people out there who like to repaint and customize McFarlane figures. Details here (with thanks to Jeff Katz).[/quote]

    I’m one of those McFarlane customizers. That’s partly how I discovered UniWatch. I needed some reference for uniforms and the wife directed me here. Uniform and equipment accuracy is very important to me and this site has been a great help.

    Another great customizing site, especially if you want to try it yourself, is http://www.customsby... Jomo is kind of the godfather of McFarlane customs and his forum is full of helpful people and info, as well as some very talented customizers.

    I have my work posted here: http://community.web... I mainly focus on baseball, but it was my Terrelle Pryor custom figure that nearly caused a riot it lovely Jeannette, PA, spawning an article in the local rag ( http://www.pittsburg... ) which was then spread all over the blog-o-sphere, eventually coming to an “end” with a photo in the October 2008 issue of Details Magazine ( http://sports.websho... ).

  • MPowers1634 | February 12, 2009 at 9:25 am |

    In regards to the umpiring shoes…I am in the market for both a field shoe and a plate shoe.

    Field shoe:

    http://www.ump-attir...

    Plate Shoe:

    http://www.ump-attir...

    The choices are pretty bleak if you ask me.
    I would much rather wear something like this:

    http://di1.shopping....

    As a rookie umpire beginning my freshman season, the shopping around for gear is exciting albeit extremely pricey.

  • MPowers1634 | February 12, 2009 at 9:26 am |

    [quote comment=”314561″][quote comment=” “]Apparently there’s a whole subculture of people out there who like to repaint and customize McFarlane figures. Details here (with thanks to Jeff Katz).[/quote]

    I’m one of those McFarlane customizers. That’s partly how I discovered UniWatch. I needed some reference for uniforms and the wife directed me here. Uniform and equipment accuracy is very important to me and this site has been a great help.

    Another great customizing site, especially if you want to try it yourself, is http://www.customsby... Jomo is kind of the godfather of McFarlane customs and his forum is full of helpful people and info, as well as some very talented customizers.

    I have my work posted here: http://community.web... I mainly focus on baseball, but it was my Terrelle Pryor custom figure that nearly caused a riot it lovely Jeannette, PA, spawning an article in the local rag ( http://www.pittsburg... ) which was then spread all over the blog-o-sphere, eventually coming to an “end” with a photo in the October 2008 issue of Details Magazine ( http://sports.websho... ).[/quote]

    I subscribe to Details and remember seeing that pic. The detail is incredible! Nice work.

  • Namhob | February 12, 2009 at 9:31 am |

    [quote comment=”314553″]first time i ever heard about “boning” a bat was way back when The Natural came out, and hobbs is talking to a teammate, who is admiring “wonderboy”…guy says something like “there’s not a nick on it” and hobbs replies, “well, i boned it, so it wouldn’t chip”

    /wonder if there’s truth to that, or just kinda morphed into an urban legend[/quote]
    On Ken Burns’s documentary, I remember reading about Teddie Ballgame turning one of the locker room benches over and using the “V” of the legs to harden his bats. He would also use bottle caps to shave grooves into the handle for grip.

  • Husul | February 12, 2009 at 9:35 am |

    [quote comment=”314561″][quote comment=” “]Apparently there’s a whole subculture of people out there who like to repaint and customize McFarlane figures. Details here (with thanks to Jeff Katz).[/quote]

    I’m one of those McFarlane customizers. That’s partly how I discovered UniWatch. I needed some reference for uniforms and the wife directed me here. Uniform and equipment accuracy is very important to me and this site has been a great help.

    Another great customizing site, especially if you want to try it yourself, is http://www.customsby... Jomo is kind of the godfather of McFarlane customs and his forum is full of helpful people and info, as well as some very talented customizers.

    I have my work posted here: http://community.web... I mainly focus on baseball, but it was my Terrelle Pryor custom figure that nearly caused a riot it lovely Jeannette, PA, spawning an article in the local rag ( http://www.pittsburg... ) which was then spread all over the blog-o-sphere, eventually coming to an “end” with a photo in the October 2008 issue of Details Magazine ( http://sports.websho... ).[/quote]

    Very very very cool…I’ve been checking out customs for about 6-7 years, some are amazing, some are shaky. Pryor looks awesome!

  • Jonesy | February 12, 2009 at 9:45 am |

    Auburn University tags are also available in Virginia, Tennessee, and coming soon to North Carolina.

    Virginia and Tennessee seem to have pretty relaxed rules on it, because I’ve seen just about every school get one of those plates. North Carolina and Georgia have signature and/or pre-pay requirements.

  • Namhob | February 12, 2009 at 9:45 am |

    [quote comment=”314564″][quote comment=”314553″]first time i ever heard about “boning” a bat was way back when The Natural came out, and hobbs is talking to a teammate, who is admiring “wonderboy”…guy says something like “there’s not a nick on it” and hobbs replies, “well, i boned it, so it wouldn’t chip”

    /wonder if there’s truth to that, or just kinda morphed into an urban legend[/quote]
    On Ken Burns’s documentary, I remember reading about Teddie Ballgame turning one of the locker room benches over and using the “V” of the legs to harden his bats. He would also use bottle caps to shave grooves into the handle for grip.[/quote]
    Yeah, I meant to say HEARING instead of reading. Though I suppose I could’ve had the closed captioning on…

  • Kyle@IU | February 12, 2009 at 9:46 am |

    fun detail on college-themed license plates: The State of Indiana’s plate for Indiana Universtiy only has the word “university” added to the bottom, along with the logo on the side. When you add the state name and “university” together…

    IU plate

  • Tim F. | February 12, 2009 at 9:46 am |

    [quote comment=”314561″][quote comment=” “]Apparently there’s a whole subculture of people out there who like to repaint and customize McFarlane figures. Details here (with thanks to Jeff Katz).[/quote]

    I’m one of those McFarlane customizers. That’s partly how I discovered UniWatch. I needed some reference for uniforms and the wife directed me here. Uniform and equipment accuracy is very important to me and this site has been a great help.

    Another great customizing site, especially if you want to try it yourself, is http://www.customsby... Jomo is kind of the godfather of McFarlane customs and his forum is full of helpful people and info, as well as some very talented customizers.

    I have my work posted here: http://community.web... I mainly focus on baseball, but it was my Terrelle Pryor custom figure that nearly caused a riot it lovely Jeannette, PA, spawning an article in the local rag ( http://www.pittsburg... ) which was then spread all over the blog-o-sphere, eventually coming to an “end” with a photo in the October 2008 issue of Details Magazine ( http://sports.websho... ).[/quote]

    Very nice work, K in PA.

  • Kyle@IU | February 12, 2009 at 9:48 am |

    another note: Indiana does NOT offer plates for any school outside of the state, which I think is a good way to do it.

  • Kurt | February 12, 2009 at 9:55 am |

    About Mexico last night – haven’t seen an international soccer team with no NOB’s for a while – thought that was a FIFA rule.

  • Kurt | February 12, 2009 at 9:59 am |

    If I remember right – all Broncos games were color-on-color in 1960-61, they wore mustard tops/brown pants, both home and away – they were second hand.

  • Rob | February 12, 2009 at 10:01 am |

    I remember those SI Signature Series posters well – me and my brother had two of them hanging in our bedroom (mid 80’s) – we had a Paul Molitor and a Dan Marino — I would kill to be able to get my hands on those posters again. Anyone know of where they sell originals or reprints? Thanks.

  • oilfan | February 12, 2009 at 10:05 am |

    [quote comment=”314571″]About Mexico last night – haven’t seen an international soccer team with no NOB’s for a while – thought that was a FIFA rule.[/quote]

    That rule exists only for the championships that FIFA has – it doesn’t apply for qualifying. It’s probably in effect for Federation tourneys, because the NOBs apply for UEFA and the Gold Cup IIRC.

  • Mike Miller | February 12, 2009 at 10:06 am |

    [quote comment=”314571″]About Mexico last night – haven’t seen an international soccer team with no NOB’s for a while – thought that was a FIFA rule.[/quote]

    It’s only an official rule in actual international competition, such as the World Cup, Euro Championship, Copa America, etc. The qualifiers for said events and friendlies, you can still go NNOB. The reasoning being that your roster for a qualifier or a friendly doesn’t have to be finalized until hours before the match.

  • Lomion | February 12, 2009 at 10:08 am |

    When I clicked the McFarlane link, I was expecting The Hulk wearing a Barry Bonds jersey or something. Which would be hilarious.

    Also, the out-of-state colleges on liscense plates is not unique to Georgia:

    http://www.dmv.virgi...

    The Ohio State plate has an interesting logo that I haven’t seen before. Is that a common OSU symbol that I haven’t seen simply because I don’t know balls about the school outside of sports?

  • Mike Miller | February 12, 2009 at 10:10 am |

    As far as those umpire shoes go, the reason most referee shoes (basketball, soccer, baseball) are all black is to make them easier to polish. Trying to polish around that giant Reebok vector would be a pain in the ass.

  • Ryan Connelly 40 | February 12, 2009 at 10:11 am |

    [quote comment=”314561″][quote comment=” “]Apparently there’s a whole subculture of people out there who like to repaint and customize McFarlane figures. Details here (with thanks to Jeff Katz).[/quote]

    I’m one of those McFarlane customizers. That’s partly how I discovered UniWatch. I needed some reference for uniforms and the wife directed me here. Uniform and equipment accuracy is very important to me and this site has been a great help.

    Another great customizing site, especially if you want to try it yourself, is http://www.customsby... Jomo is kind of the godfather of McFarlane customs and his forum is full of helpful people and info, as well as some very talented customizers.

    I have my work posted here: http://community.web... I mainly focus on baseball, but it was my Terrelle Pryor custom figure that nearly caused a riot it lovely Jeannette, PA, spawning an article in the local rag ( http://www.pittsburg... ) which was then spread all over the blog-o-sphere, eventually coming to an “end” with a photo in the October 2008 issue of Details Magazine ( http://sports.websho... ).[/quote]

    that pryor thing was you?!?! GREAT work!!! awesome detail too!

  • Mike Miller | February 12, 2009 at 10:14 am |

    [quote comment=”314576″]When I clicked the McFarlane link, I was expecting The Hulk wearing a Barry Bonds jersey or something. Which would be hilarious.

    Also, the out-of-state colleges on liscense plates is not unique to Georgia:

    http://www.dmv.virgi...

    The Ohio State plate has an interesting logo that I haven’t seen before. Is that a common OSU symbol that I haven’t seen simply because I don’t know balls about the school outside of sports?[/quote]

    That’s an older athletics logo from the 80s or so. Looking at other plates in the Virginia inventory, there are a LOT of outdated logos in there.

  • LI Phil | February 12, 2009 at 10:14 am |

    [quote comment=”314561″]I’m one of those McFarlane customizers. That’s partly how I discovered UniWatch. I needed some reference for uniforms and the wife directed me here. Uniform and equipment accuracy is very important to me and this site has been a great help.[/quote]

    fantastic work, kevin!

  • Paul Lukas | February 12, 2009 at 10:20 am |

    Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

  • Giancarlo | February 12, 2009 at 10:20 am |

    [quote comment=”314572″]If I remember right – all Broncos games were color-on-color in 1960-61, they wore mustard tops/brown pants, both home and away – they were second hand.[/quote]
    This tidbit gets passed around a lot, even from people who worked in the Broncos organization at the time, but I’m pretty sure there is clear evidence that the team actually had a white road jersey counterpart to their home-style mustards.

  • Kyle@IU | February 12, 2009 at 10:22 am |

    in non-sports logo news: the Citroën car company is revamping their logo in honor of their 90th anniversary

    Old

    New

    The new one has a 3D metallic look which better reflects what actually appears on the cars.

  • Mad Dog | February 12, 2009 at 10:23 am |

    Wait, what does this have to do with DIY? This is a DIY site, right?

  • chance | February 12, 2009 at 10:27 am |

    [quote comment=”314559″]Got my Broncos season ticket renewal information yesterday, and its nice to see that they’re acknowledging the team’s (as well as the AFL’s) 50th season.

    broncos50
    and while I appreciate their effort on the inside for showing the home opponents with “nostalgic” logos, it makes me wish they would have gotten the Steelers/Giants/Cowboys correct for 1960…heck, the Patriots as well

    opponents[/quote]

    I presume that’s because only the old AFL teams will be participating in the AFL commemoration. Why use a throwback Giants logo if the Giants aren’t going to use it this season?

    As for not using the 1960 logos, these are probably the logos the teams will be using with their throwbacks. The Patriots will certainly use Pat, and not just the Tricorne hat.

  • Ricko | February 12, 2009 at 10:29 am |

    [quote comment=”314582″][quote comment=”314572″]If I remember right – all Broncos games were color-on-color in 1960-61, they wore mustard tops/brown pants, both home and away – they were second hand.[/quote]
    This tidbit gets passed around a lot, even from people who worked in the Broncos organization at the time, but I’m pretty sure there is clear evidence that the team actually had a white road jersey counterpart to their home-style mustards.[/quote]

    They definitely had a white set, including brown and white vertically striped socks. There are many, many color football cards of Bronco players in the white jerseys. It’s really obvious the second year (’61), because home golds had no TV numbers, and roads did.

    —Ricko

  • Rich C. | February 12, 2009 at 10:31 am |

    Paul,

    Just read the ESPN column, it was to much fun. Just wanted to say if Steven Wojtowicz did this

    http://i43.tinypic.c... in ’97

    hes got a beef with devils and there ahl team

    http://upload.wikime... founded in’98

  • Steve | February 12, 2009 at 10:31 am |

    That guy featured in today’s ESPN article doesn’t want to admit that different people can come up with the same idea. The Blues note and the arch together…his idea? I bet it had been done a thousand times over by kids all over St. Louis.

    When it was accounced that the Colorado Rockies and Florida Marlins were coming into the league as expansion teams, the first thing I did was dream up and draw logos for them (I was young…11 or 12). I can’t remember what I did for the Rockies, but my Marlins logo was exactly the same as the one that appeared on their hat. The “F” with the marlin behind it.

    But damn, since I didn’t submit it to them, I guess I can’t claim that they stole my idea and owe me an apology. :(

  • LI Phil | February 12, 2009 at 10:32 am |

    [quote comment=”314582″][quote comment=”314572″]If I remember right – all Broncos games were color-on-color in 1960-61, they wore mustard tops/brown pants, both home and away – they were second hand.[/quote]
    This tidbit gets passed around a lot, even from people who worked in the Broncos organization at the time, but I’m pretty sure there is clear evidence that the team actually had a white road jersey counterpart to their home-style mustards.[/quote]

    i agree

    ricko or timmy b. could prolly confirm for sure though

    mike stanhope’s page has some compelling visual evidence (although the site also claims they have the orange lid with brown bronco, which ricko swears is actually blue, not brown)…

    in addition, there is this…again, just because it’s pictured doesn’t mean it to be true, but i am fairly certain the broncos did have white jerseys as well

    perhaps denver gregg would know?

    anyone?

  • chance | February 12, 2009 at 10:32 am |

    [quote comment=”314581″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    Great article, Paul. Two things spring to mind upon reading it:

    1. Swint’s story is exactly why teams won’t ever accept submissions. The new logo seems like a coincidence, but he sure could sue them over it.

    2. Can I post your scan of that letter on my site? Or even link to it?

  • Rich C. | February 12, 2009 at 10:35 am |

    sorry. lowell devils founded in 2006 before that they were the lock monsters

  • Perry | February 12, 2009 at 10:36 am |

    [quote comment=”314576″]When I clicked the McFarlane link, I was expecting The Hulk wearing a Barry Bonds jersey or something. Which would be hilarious.

    Also, the out-of-state colleges on liscense plates is not unique to Georgia:

    http://www.dmv.virgi...

    The Ohio State plate has an interesting logo that I haven’t seen before. Is that a common OSU symbol that I haven’t seen simply because I don’t know balls about the school outside of sports?[/quote]

    Ohio State has been using that logo, or something like it, for years and years. Possibly even as far back as my student days there in the early 70s.

    Gianluigi Buffon, Italy’s keeper, wears a scarf around his neck in many games. It’s almost a trademark. And players wearing gloves in cold weather, usually black, is so common as to not warrant mentioning.

  • Paul Lukas | February 12, 2009 at 10:36 am |

    [quote comment=”314590″]Can I post your scan of that letter on my site? Or even link to it?[/quote]

    Yes and yes.

  • chance | February 12, 2009 at 10:37 am |

    [quote comment=”314593″][quote comment=”314590″]Can I post your scan of that letter on my site? Or even link to it?[/quote]

    Yes and yes.[/quote]
    Outstanding. Thanks!

  • Glenn | February 12, 2009 at 10:38 am |

    yes, but they used period authentic Cleveland Browns logo. The Giants is so close, just a matter of shade difference on the blue. The Cowboys star originally didn’t have the outline, of course. Although if they posted the period authentic Steelers logo, I doubt most people would have recognized it.

  • Jay | February 12, 2009 at 10:42 am |

    Terry Bradshaw talked about the face mask deal during the FOX pre-game show that weekend. Trent asked Terry for it and Terry obliged.

  • Kenny | February 12, 2009 at 10:44 am |

    I have a buddy from college who’s dad is a huge collector of figurines. For our senior year of football, he repainted a couple of the them for about 5 or so of us that were close on the team. Mine happened to be a William Green (Cleveland Browns #31, cuz my number was 81). I’ll try to take pictures of the finished product.

    This is the type of figure he painted, but it was the brown jersey instead
    http://www.prestoima...

  • Ricko | February 12, 2009 at 10:49 am |

    [quote comment=”314586″][quote comment=”314582″][quote comment=”314572″]If I remember right – all Broncos games were color-on-color in 1960-61, they wore mustard tops/brown pants, both home and away – they were second hand.[/quote]
    This tidbit gets passed around a lot, even from people who worked in the Broncos organization at the time, but I’m pretty sure there is clear evidence that the team actually had a white road jersey counterpart to their home-style mustards.[/quote]

    They definitely had a white set, including brown and white vertically striped socks. There are many, many color football cards of Bronco players in the white jerseys. It’s really obvious the second year (’61), because home golds had no TV numbers, and roads did.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    And I don’t know why “mustard” keeps coming up, unless its to further make the unis sound ugly. Wasn’t mustard like mustard cap of Pirates in early 70s. Was the same light-gold, yellow-gold, athletic gold (all catalog names for the same color) used by the Steelers, Rams, Packers, Chiefs, Chargers (trim)…

    In present day terms, Broncos unis were Browns brown and Steelers gold. Two off-the-rack uni colors. A memorably ugly combining of the two, yes…but nothing more. Same colors as the Padres during the Winfield-Ozzie Smith era.

    —Ricko

  • Lomion | February 12, 2009 at 10:52 am |

    Excellent article, especially the Alaska Baseball League story. I’d have to agree that Mr. Swint is totally out of luck, though, if it’s any consolation, I think his design was much better.

    My favorite design submission, though, was the one about Notre Dame you posted a few days ago. And as a Navy fan, it pains me to praise anything Irish-related.

    …Wow, that sounds really racist, doesn’t it? Make that anything Notre Dame-related.

  • Matt Brosseau | February 12, 2009 at 10:53 am |

    Great article today, Paul. Two things I found most interesting:

    1. As owner of the Texas Rangers, George W. Bush didn’t seem to have anything better to do than respond to 10 year-old kids sending in uni design ideas (certainly a worthy undertaking, but still–the owner?!) I have an image of him sitting behind a big desk in a big office, playing with Legos and paper footballs and watching the clock until 5:00.

    2. Lou Lamoriello: “the Devils are a traditional organization.” What tradition would that be, Lou? 75% of your fans didn’t even know your franchise existed before 1995. Quit the bullshitting here, E.T., bring back the Christmas trees as third jerseys, and stop acting like the Devils are God’s gift to the NHL.

  • Mad Dog | February 12, 2009 at 10:54 am |

    A few comments about Blues / Swint:

    I. Swint did not invent the Gateway Arch.

    B. If Swint thinks he owns all logo concepts with an arch, that is ridiculous.

    iii. His logo was probably thrown in the trash because of the GRADIENT (seriously???) and the sloppy outline around “BLUES”.

    4. I maintain that the 2003 Blues uniform set is one of my favorite NHL sets of all-time.

    It really disturbs me when people compare two graphics designs, think that one or two elements are similar (which, in most cases, they are NOT), and claim that the more recent design is “stolen” from the earlier design. In this case especially, the design element is in the public domain.

  • Jay | February 12, 2009 at 10:54 am |

    [quote comment=”314576″]When I clicked the McFarlane link, I was expecting The Hulk wearing a Barry Bonds jersey or something. Which would be hilarious.

    Also, the out-of-state colleges on liscense plates is not unique to Georgia:

    http://www.dmv.virgi...

    The Ohio State plate has an interesting logo that I haven’t seen before. Is that a common OSU symbol that I haven’t seen simply because I don’t know balls about the school outside of sports?[/quote]

    That’s the Ohio State Alumni Association logo. You can tell because the buckeye leaf is on the top of the “O”. Other OSU logos the leaf is on the bottom (or it’s just a block “O”).

    You can see it in your browser tab:

    http://www.ohiostate...

  • Josh N. | February 12, 2009 at 10:55 am |

    [quote comment=”314542″]I used to try the bone on the bat thing when I was a kid after reading somewhere that it was supposed to “close the grain” of the bat and make it harder.

    I’m not exactly sure how that happens unless the thought is that some of the bone material rubs off into any irregularities in the wood surface.[/quote]

    The above comment pretty much accords with what I’ve been told as an employee at the Louisville Slugger Museum & Factory. But I’ve also been told that it doesn’t actually work. Players first bone-rubbed their bats themselves, then Slugger started doing it for them at the factory beginning around 1932. I think from Slugger’s perspective it was just a selling point and didn’t really improve the bat’s performance or durability. Here’s a photo from the museum of an old advertisement for bone-rubbing:

    http://farm1.static....

  • Ricko | February 12, 2009 at 10:55 am |

    Browns brown, Steeler gold…
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...
    White game jersey with TVs….
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    —Ricko

  • Mike | February 12, 2009 at 10:56 am |

    The McFarlane stuff reminds me of some of artist David Levinthal’s work:
    http://www.davidlevi...

  • Carl G | February 12, 2009 at 10:58 am |

    Paul

    I read the ESPN article and I thought it was wonderful. That being said, the entire premise of the article tore me in so many directions. I certainly can understand that if someone went to the time and effort to put together a design, that design was then used by a sports team, and the individual was not given credit, that the person might be angry, bitter etc. However, at the same time, it seems for the most part we are talking about unsolicited design ideas. I understand that this is not the law, and that someone’s design does not get to be copied just because it is unsolicited, but at the same time it was an unsolicited. Moreover, Mr. Swint indicates that he did this because he wanted to help the Blues, but then he goes on to say later he is considering legal action. If I were representing any sports team, given comments like that from Mr. Swint and the Ravens case you cited (which, while no monetary damages were given, certainly cost thousands if not hundreds of thousands in attorney’s fees), I would tell them to either immediately return any submissions to the sender, not accept any unsolicited mail, and/or immediately shred any materials with design ideas. If that happened, all the feel good stories and letters you cite would never happen. Why would any team be willing to take the risk that these submissions could lead to prolonged and costly litigation, as well as a substantial P.R. hit?

  • Matt Brosseau | February 12, 2009 at 10:59 am |

    [quote comment=”314598″][quote comment=”314586″][quote comment=”314582″][quote comment=”314572″]If I remember right – all Broncos games were color-on-color in 1960-61, they wore mustard tops/brown pants, both home and away – they were second hand.[/quote]
    This tidbit gets passed around a lot, even from people who worked in the Broncos organization at the time, but I’m pretty sure there is clear evidence that the team actually had a white road jersey counterpart to their home-style mustards.[/quote]

    They definitely had a white set, including brown and white vertically striped socks. There are many, many color football cards of Bronco players in the white jerseys. It’s really obvious the second year (’61), because home golds had no TV numbers, and roads did.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    And I don’t know why “mustard” keeps coming up, unless its to further make the unis sound ugly. Wasn’t mustard like mustard cap of Pirates in early 70s. Was the same light-gold, yellow-gold, athletic gold (all catalog names for the same color) used by the Steelers, Rams, Packers, Chiefs, Chargers (trim)…

    In present day terms, Broncos unis were Browns brown and Steelers gold. Two off-the-rack uni colors. A memorably ugly combining of the two, yes…but nothing more. Same colors as the Padres during the Winfield-Ozzie Smith era.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Rick, “mustard” can refer to different shades of yellow, IMO. There’s French’s bright gold-yellow (the Steelers, the Pirates) and there’s Gulden’s yellowish-brown (the Padres, the Broncos).

    Great, now all this mustard talk has made me hungry for a knish.

  • Kenny | February 12, 2009 at 11:05 am |

    [quote comment=”314561″][quote comment=” “]Apparently there’s a whole subculture of people out there who like to repaint and customize McFarlane figures. Details here (with thanks to Jeff Katz).[/quote]

    I’m one of those McFarlane customizers. That’s partly how I discovered UniWatch. I needed some reference for uniforms and the wife directed me here. Uniform and equipment accuracy is very important to me and this site has been a great help.

    Another great customizing site, especially if you want to try it yourself, is http://www.customsby... Jomo is kind of the godfather of McFarlane customs and his forum is full of helpful people and info, as well as some very talented customizers.

    I have my work posted here: http://community.web... I mainly focus on baseball, but it was my Terrelle Pryor custom figure that nearly caused a riot it lovely Jeannette, PA, spawning an article in the local rag ( http://www.pittsburg... ) which was then spread all over the blog-o-sphere, eventually coming to an “end” with a photo in the October 2008 issue of Details Magazine ( http://sports.websho... ).[/quote]

    Best part of that whole article is they can have 8% of the nothing we make. Love your passion for your hobby

  • LI Phil | February 12, 2009 at 11:06 am |

    french’s “bright gold-yellow” mustard isn’t real mustard

    /just sayin’

  • Giancarlo | February 12, 2009 at 11:06 am |

    [quote comment=”314598″]
    And I don’t know why “mustard” keeps coming up, unless its to further make the unis sound ugly. Wasn’t mustard like mustard cap of Pirates in early 70s. Was the same light-gold, yellow-gold, athletic gold (all catalog names for the same color) used by the Steelers, Rams, Packers, Chiefs, Chargers (trim)…
    —Ricko[/quote]
    Good point. I guess we could say the Broncos wore kind of a French’s mustard color, whereas the early ’70s Pirates sported more of a Gulden’s mustard, the latter being what people normally mean when describing a color as mustard.

  • Mad Dog | February 12, 2009 at 11:07 am |

    One more thing I noticed about the Swint letter – he spelled his name wrong in closing. Professional!

  • Jeff | February 12, 2009 at 11:08 am |

    DIY customized McFarlane figurines also pop up on eBay from time to time.

  • Giancarlo | February 12, 2009 at 11:09 am |

    Well I guess Matt was thinking what I was thinking – didn’t mean to parrot him just then.

  • Matt Brosseau | February 12, 2009 at 11:11 am |

    [quote comment=”314609″]french’s “bright gold-yellow” mustard isn’t real mustard

    /just sayin'[/quote]

    Indeed it is not. I am a Gulden’s man myself. But my wife is one of those, how you say, hoity-toity chef types who will only use Inglehoffer stone-ground or, when she deigns to slum it, Grey Poupon.

  • Ricko | February 12, 2009 at 11:12 am |

    Oh, absolutely, but in uni-world “mustard” usually refers the old-gold of the Pirates early 70’s hats, the ones worn with their first doubleknits.

    Sorry to disappoint anyone, but Steelers, Winfield’s Padres, the Super Bowl-winning Rams, the Redskins, the bumblebee Pirates, the original Broncos and many, many others all wear—or wore—the same color gold. Its a standard uni catalog color. For printing purposes, the PMS spec is 116, if I recall.

    Just saying that speaking “uniformese”, the original Broncos wore light gold or yellow gold or athletic gold. “Mustard” you find on Roberto Clemente in about 1972.

    Now, Michigan and Oregon football…they actually do wear year yellow. Like Tweety Bird and Mighty Mouse. Not the same color as any of the teams I mentioned. Lay them side by side and can see the difference immediately. Compare the pants the next time Michigan plays, say, Iowa.

    —Ricko

  • Kerry P | February 12, 2009 at 11:18 am |

    [quote comment=”314541″]As worded in the quote, the NCAA color v. color rule would preclude LSU wearing white on the road. I am sure that such a rule, even if it is truly worded in the same manner as the quote, would not be enforced against LSU though.[/quote]
    I don’t follow you. Please explain further.

  • Mark W | February 12, 2009 at 11:21 am |

    I’m not sure that the hot water bottle is color coordinated. I think they only come in one color – that dark red shown in the picture.

  • LI Phil | February 12, 2009 at 11:21 am |

    [quote comment=”314615″]Compare the pants the next time Michigan plays, say, Iowa.[/quote]

    obviously, not a recent pic (michigan still in swoosh)…but here

    michigan definitely brighter yellow (you call it corn, we call it maize)

  • Ricko | February 12, 2009 at 11:22 am |

    [quote comment=”314617″]I’m not sure that the hot water bottle is color coordinated. I think they only come in one color – that dark red shown in the picture.[/quote]

    Yes, that and a lovely baby blue.

  • GC | February 12, 2009 at 11:25 am |

    Best of luck with the Uniform History Project. Big fan of sites like Football Uniforms Past* and Present (and Helmets, Helmets, Helmets). Would be up my alley if I didn’t have similar duties to take care of for *fake* teams!

    *still wish that template was available for use

  • Chris in Nashville | February 12, 2009 at 11:28 am |

    Tennessee offers 46 different college plates. I have the second of the UT plates on me and my wife’s car. Tennessee also has a Titans plate and Predators plate. I also included all of the different plates they offer, including an Elvis plate.

    http://www.tennessee...
    http://www.tennessee...
    http://www.tennessee...
    http://www.tennessee...
    http://www.tennessee...

  • tom farley | February 12, 2009 at 11:30 am |

    Others here must watch “The Office.” Pam asking Jim, earlier this season, about Dwight’s apparel: “What color of mustard is his shirt? Yellow or dijon?”

    That Giants image at the top of the page has to be hand-colored, right? The grandstand is grayscaled. But I knew the Giants wore red jerseys from ’37 until the mid ’50s.

    The Howell-Lombardi-Landry Giants of ’54 and ’55 did prefer the white jerseys, but I didn’t think they’d already switched to the blue jerseys. I had read — in a book I thought I owned — that the Giants switched to a “more regal” blue jersey in ’56 to further align themselves with their new landlords, the Yankees.

    In any event, well done, Timmy B.

  • Kevin G. | February 12, 2009 at 11:35 am |

    Paul, nice article today. I remember hearing about that Packer uniform change to old gold too, but I never saw any evidence of it (unlike the 49ers helmet of the early ’90’s). I remember hearing that they were going to change the style of the “G” on the helmet, but they don’t make that very clear in the letter you received. Does anyone have any actual pictures or sketches of what these uniforms were going to look like or did it never get that far? I am just very curious about it.

  • Robert in Dallas | February 12, 2009 at 11:39 am |

    [quote comment=”314573″]I remember those SI Signature Series posters well – me and my brother had two of them hanging in our bedroom (mid 80’s) – we had a Paul Molitor and a Dan Marino — I would kill to be able to get my hands on those posters again. Anyone know of where they sell originals or reprints?

    Thanks.[/quote]

    The posters pop up on ebay with some frequency. If you are persistent, you will the ones that you want.

  • Rob | February 12, 2009 at 11:39 am |

    Regarding the customized McFarlanes:
    Did baseball Bo ever wear his pants that low with the Royals?

  • K in PA | February 12, 2009 at 11:41 am |

    [quote comment=”314563″]I subscribe to Details and remember seeing that pic. The detail is incredible! Nice work.[/quote]
    Thanks! It’s amazing what a good photographer can do.

    [quote comment=”314565″]Very very very cool…I’ve been checking out customs for about 6-7 years, some are amazing, some are shaky. Pryor looks awesome![/quote]
    Thanks! That’s about how long I have been making them in one form or another. Terrelle and his teammates really seemed to like it when I gave it to him. His teammates were a lot more outwardly excited than he was though–more because he’s just a mellow guy rather than him not liking it.

    [quote comment=”314569″]Very nice work, K in PA.[/quote]
    Thanks!

    [quote comment=”314576″]When I clicked the McFarlane link, I was expecting The Hulk wearing a Barry Bonds jersey or something. Which would be hilarious.[/quote]
    That’s not a bad idea…

  • LI Phil | February 12, 2009 at 11:42 am |

    [quote comment=”314623″]Paul, nice article today. I remember hearing about that Packer uniform change to old gold too, but I never saw any evidence of it (unlike the 49ers helmet of the early ’90’s). I remember hearing that they were going to change the style of the “G” on the helmet, but they don’t make that very clear in the letter you received. Does anyone have any actual pictures or sketches of what these uniforms were going to look like or did it never get that far? I am just very curious about it.[/quote]

    chance’s site has that and so much more…

    but here are the proposed changes

  • LI Phil | February 12, 2009 at 11:45 am |

    no linkie to tripod?

    fine, i’ll host it myself:

    here are the proposed changes

  • Kevin G. | February 12, 2009 at 11:52 am |

    [quote comment=”314628″]no linkie to tripod?

    fine, i’ll host it myself:

    here are the proposed changes[/quote]
    Very cool. I think they should have left all of the helmet, sleeve and pant stripes, but I actually like them. Thanks!

  • JTH | February 12, 2009 at 11:54 am |

    [quote comment=”314570″]another note: Indiana does NOT offer plates for any school outside of the state, which I think is a good way to do it.[/quote]
    Same goes for Illinois.

    In the 90s, they considered allowing out-of-state college plates and put out several petitions for them. (I signed the one for IU). I don’t remember exactly which ones were proposed, but I think it was the other 9 Big Ten schools plus some others from neighboring states (Marquette, Notre Dame, Missouri, St. Louis, Kentucky, Louisville, Tennesse, etc.)

    Despite plenty of interest, the state pulled the plug on the idea.

  • JRJR | February 12, 2009 at 11:57 am |

    [quote comment=”314603″][quote comment=”314542″]I used to try the bone on the bat thing when I was a kid after reading somewhere that it was supposed to “close the grain” of the bat and make it harder.

    I’m not exactly sure how that happens unless the thought is that some of the bone material rubs off into any irregularities in the wood surface.[/quote]

    The above comment pretty much accords with what I’ve been told as an employee at the Louisville Slugger Museum & Factory. But I’ve also been told that it doesn’t actually work. Players first bone-rubbed their bats themselves, then Slugger started doing it for them at the factory beginning around 1932. I think from Slugger’s perspective it was just a selling point and didn’t really improve the bat’s performance or durability. Here’s a photo from the museum of an old advertisement for bone-rubbing:

    http://farm1.static....

    Don’t I remember a scene in Bull Durham where there was a Santeria practicing first baseman–I think his name was Jose– who had some chicken bones to take the curse off his bat?

  • Jim Bullard | February 12, 2009 at 11:58 am |

    [quote comment=”314581″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    awesome article on ESPN today Paul.

  • James P. | February 12, 2009 at 11:58 am |

    Paul, I can’t believe you just recently found out about the SportPick customizers. I tried to get into that side of the hobby back in 2002 but I never had access to decal paper. My only attempt was to make a high school version of Anthony Thomas (then whith the Bears). I grew up with Anthony and wanted to have a SP of him in our high school uniform. Repainting is one thing, but those guys who resculpt those figures to make unmade players are true craftsmen!

  • Tony In Erie | February 12, 2009 at 11:59 am |

    Paul,

    I don’t know how late into the day you check the comment board, but the last link in your ESPN article is broken…

  • Chris in Nashville | February 12, 2009 at 12:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”314631″][quote comment=”314603″][quote comment=”314542″]I used to try the bone on the bat thing when I was a kid after reading somewhere that it was supposed to “close the grain” of the bat and make it harder.

    I’m not exactly sure how that happens unless the thought is that some of the bone material rubs off into any irregularities in the wood surface.[/quote]

    The above comment pretty much accords with what I’ve been told as an employee at the Louisville Slugger Museum & Factory. But I’ve also been told that it doesn’t actually work. Players first bone-rubbed their bats themselves, then Slugger started doing it for them at the factory beginning around 1932. I think from Slugger’s perspective it was just a selling point and didn’t really improve the bat’s performance or durability. Here’s a photo from the museum of an old advertisement for bone-rubbing:

    http://farm1.static....

    Don’t I remember a scene in Bull Durham where there was a Santeria practicing first baseman–I think his name was Jose– who had some chicken bones to take the curse off his bat?[/quote]

    You are thinking of Major League and Pedro Cerrano

  • M.Princip | February 12, 2009 at 12:01 pm |

    Really enjoyed the article today Paul. I would love to see those sketches that Dave Bloomquist did for the Seahawks back in 1982.

    Can someone tell me if the work that this guy did for the Buffalo Sabres was another success story?
    http://newblueandgol...
    Because, the Sabres new third jersey looks very similar to these. I remember a poll to have the team adopt his primary logo concept before they went with the slug. Wasn’t sure if the Sabres hired him, or, if it was unsolicited.

  • Ricko | February 12, 2009 at 12:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”314628″]no linkie to tripod?

    fine, i’ll host it myself:

    here are the proposed changes[/quote]

    I’m remembering the verbal descriptions at the time had the G on each side of the pants, too. High on hip. Or maybe there would be a white number on a forest disc at hip. I do know I recall thinking that though the pants had no striping, they wouldn’t be totally plain. Also, they would almost certainly have wore white shoes. 1994 was well before the current trend toward back to black really took hold.

    —Ricko

    —Ricko

  • K in PA | February 12, 2009 at 12:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”314578″]that pryor thing was you?!?! GREAT work!!! awesome detail too![/quote]

    Thanks. Yeah…. That was me. I sometimes wish I hadn’t made them. All the publicity/criticism really killed my desire to make any more customs for a long time. It still lingers as I have a couple more Pryor figures to make for friends that I have been sitting on for a long time now.

    Most people do not understand or appreciate the time and effort it takes to make one. I probably put in 30-40 work hours (not including “drying time”) for each figure. Materials alone run $25-$30–sometimes more depending on the McFarlane figure I use. I can’t even count how many times someone emails me about making a custom figure, only to disappear once I quote them a rough price. Most of the time, I didn’t want to make thsoe figures anyway, ;c)

  • chance | February 12, 2009 at 12:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”314629″][quote comment=”314628″]no linkie to tripod?

    fine, i’ll host it myself:

    here are the proposed changes[/quote]
    Very cool. I think they should have left all of the helmet, sleeve and pant stripes, but I actually like them. Thanks![/quote]
    Yeah, sorry about the Tripod hotlink thing.

    If they had kept a single green stripe on the helmets and uniforms, I’d have been all for the change, then and now.

  • M.Princip | February 12, 2009 at 12:04 pm |
  • Ricko | February 12, 2009 at 12:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”314637″][quote comment=”314628″]no linkie to tripod?

    fine, i’ll host it myself:

    here are the proposed changes[/quote]

    I’m remembering the verbal descriptions at the time had the G on each side of the pants, too. High on hip. Or maybe there would be a white number on a forest disc at hip. I do know I recall thinking that though the pants had no striping, they wouldn’t be totally plain. Also, they would almost certainly have wore white shoes. 1994 was well before the current trend toward back to black really took hold.

    —Ricko

    I also remember Packer fans going absolutely ballistic, so they quit talking about changing the uniform.

  • Squiddie | February 12, 2009 at 12:07 pm |

    For the 1986 Baseball issue, Sports Illustrated did an article that mentioned using a bone on the bat along with other practices.

    I recall there was a picture of Pete Rose working his bat on the bone. There was also a picture of Leon Durham’s mom who prayed over her son’s bats.

    You can read the article here.

  • Ian K | February 12, 2009 at 12:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”314611″]One more thing I noticed about the Swint letter – he spelled his name wrong in closing. Professional![/quote]

    Yes, but he did use the correct “closed apostrophes” when referring to the ’80s and ’90s.

  • chance | February 12, 2009 at 12:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”314637″][quote comment=”314628″]no linkie to tripod?

    fine, i’ll host it myself:

    here are the proposed changes[/quote]

    I’m remembering the verbal descriptions at the time had the G on each side of the pants, too. High on hip. Or maybe there would be a white number on a forest disc at hip. I do know I recall thinking that though the pants had no striping, they wouldn’t be totally plain. Also, they would almost certainly have wore white shoes. 1994 was well before the current trend toward back to black really took hold.[/quote]

    I’ve never seen any reference to either a logo or number on the hip. Neither of the two descriptions from the period (Paul’s letter and the description published in the Packer Report) mention it, and the Packer Report specifically mentions “The pants will be plain gold.”

    Then again, Paul’s letter is a little screwy. Looks like somebody forgot a couple words – “The white numbers on the green home jerseys and the green numbers on the white away jerseys will also have a gold “G” on the front left side.” Huh?

  • K in PA | February 12, 2009 at 12:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”314605″]The McFarlane stuff reminds me of some of artist David Levinthal’s work:
    http://www.davidlevi...
    A lot of the poses in those photos have been made into McFarlane figures. Makes me wonder which came first…

  • chance | February 12, 2009 at 12:13 pm |

    So were they really going to put the Packers’ “G” on the numbers, like a soccer league, or was he talking about a Jets-style logo patch on the jersey, or what?

    Harlan’s letter doesn’t mention the gold outline around the numbers, leading me to believe that there are words missing from that sentence.

  • Ricko | February 12, 2009 at 12:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”314644″][quote comment=”314637″][quote comment=”314628″]no linkie to tripod?

    fine, i’ll host it myself:

    here are the proposed changes[/quote]

    I’m remembering the verbal descriptions at the time had the G on each side of the pants, too. High on hip. Or maybe there would be a white number on a forest disc at hip. I do know I recall thinking that though the pants had no striping, they wouldn’t be totally plain. Also, they would almost certainly have wore white shoes. 1994 was well before the current trend toward back to black really took hold.[/quote]

    I’ve never seen any reference to either a logo or number on the hip. Neither of the two descriptions from the period (Paul’s letter and the description published in the Packer Report) mention it, and the Packer Report specifically mentions “The pants will be plain gold.”

    Then again, Paul’s letter is a little screwy. Looks like somebody forgot a couple words – “The white numbers on the green home jerseys and the green numbers on the white away jerseys will also have a gold “G” on the front left side.” Huh?[/quote]

    Oh, I could be wrong, just going by 14-15 year old recollections of reading about it in the paper. Maybe I thought logo OUGHT to be on pants rather than sleeve, to KEEP them from being plain. As I said, just trying to remember exactly my reaction…other than I know I thought Packer fans wouldn’t exactly warm to the notion. And they didn’t.

    –Ricko

  • chance | February 12, 2009 at 12:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”314647″]
    Oh, I could be wrong, just going by 14-15 year old recollections of reading about it in the paper. Maybe I thought logo OUGHT to be on pants rather than sleeve, to KEEP them from being plain. As I said, just trying to remember exactly my reaction…other than I know I thought Packer fans wouldn’t exactly warm to the notion. And they didn’t.

    –Ricko[/quote]

    I recall another rumor, probably before the official announcement, that the Packers would be switching back to the navy and gold of Lambeau’s glory days. Which I was also in favor of.

    But that’s probably my faulty memory, conflating the new uniforms with the announced 1994 throwbacks, which might have been announced right around the same time. Funny how it plays tricks with us.

  • Ricko | February 12, 2009 at 12:19 pm |

    I DO know my thought at the time was that the redesign’s basic elements were…
    1. Remove all stripes.
    2. Change light gold to old gold.
    3. Add old gold edge to numbers.

  • K in PA | February 12, 2009 at 12:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”314580″]fantastic work, kevin![/quote]
    Thanks!

    [quote comment=”314578″][quote comment=”314561″]I have my work posted here: http://community.web... I mainly focus on baseball, but it was my Terrelle Pryor custom figure that nearly caused a riot it lovely Jeannette, PA, spawning an article in the local rag ( http://www.pittsburg... ) which was then spread all over the blog-o-sphere, eventually coming to an “end” with a photo in the October 2008 issue of Details Magazine ( http://sports.websho... ).[/quote]

    Best part of that whole article is they can have 8% of the nothing we make. Love your passion for your hobby[/quote]
    That’s about the only place in the article where I was quoted correctly. I have no idea where the “8%” number came from, but the sentiment remains the same.

    [quote comment=”314612″]DIY customized McFarlane figurines also pop up on eBay from time to time.[/quote]
    I see those too. 90% of those on eBay are complete garbage.

    [quote comment=”314625″]Regarding the customized McFarlanes:
    Did baseball Bo ever wear his pants that low with the Royals?[/quote]
    In a word: no. That’s one of my pet peeves.

  • JTH | February 12, 2009 at 12:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”314642″] There was also a picture of Leon Durham’s mom who prayed over her son’s bats.
    [/quote]
    I guess she never bothered with his glove.

  • Namhob | February 12, 2009 at 12:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”314635″][quote comment=”314631″][quote comment=”314603″][quote comment=”314542″]I used to try the bone on the bat thing when I was a kid after reading somewhere that it was supposed to “close the grain” of the bat and make it harder.

    I’m not exactly sure how that happens unless the thought is that some of the bone material rubs off into any irregularities in the wood surface.[/quote]

    The above comment pretty much accords with what I’ve been told as an employee at the Louisville Slugger Museum & Factory. But I’ve also been told that it doesn’t actually work. Players first bone-rubbed their bats themselves, then Slugger started doing it for them at the factory beginning around 1932. I think from Slugger’s perspective it was just a selling point and didn’t really improve the bat’s performance or durability. Here’s a photo from the museum of an old advertisement for bone-rubbing:

    http://farm1.static....

    Don’t I remember a scene in Bull Durham where there was a Santeria practicing first baseman–I think his name was Jose– who had some chicken bones to take the curse off his bat?[/quote]

    You are thinking of Major League and Pedro Cerrano[/quote]
    I believe you are looking for this exchange regarding Bull Durham:

    [Larry jogs out to the mound to break up a players’ conference]
    Larry: Excuse me, but what the hell’s going on out here?
    Crash Davis: Well, Nuke’s scared because his eyelids are jammed and his old man’s here. We need a live… is it a live rooster?
    [Jose nods]
    Crash Davis: . We need a live rooster to take the curse off Jose’s glove and nobody seems to know what to get Millie or Jimmy for their wedding present.
    [to the players]
    Crash Davis: Is that about right?
    [the players nod]
    Crash Davis: We’re dealing with a lot of shit.
    Larry: Okay, well, uh… candlesticks always make a nice gift, and uh, maybe you could find out where she’s registered and maybe a place-setting or maybe a silverware pattern. Okay, let’s get two! Go get ’em.

  • Al Gruwell | February 12, 2009 at 12:32 pm |

    I have seen pictures of older players using a Coke bottle to bone a bat. The curved bottle (I’m talking the 6-1/2 ounce bottle, the true Coke size) was perfect for it.
    I used a cow femur for my old Sluggers (my grandpa worked in a slaughterhouse and got me one). Did it work? Can’t say other than my bats never chipped.

  • Ryan | February 12, 2009 at 12:38 pm |

    Paul

    Just read the ESPN article, and curious about the story of Steven Wojtowicz, because it say he submitted this design in 1997…

    http://i43.tinypic.c...

    … Which looks exactly, and I do mean exactly, like the logo New Jersey’s farm team in the AHL, the Lowell Devils, uses…

    http://www.paultsong...

    … There was no mention of any connection between the two, so I’m curious as to what happened there

  • K in PA | February 12, 2009 at 12:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”314653″][quote comment=”314635″][quote comment=”314631″][quote comment=”314603″][quote comment=”314542″]I used to try the bone on the bat thing when I was a kid after reading somewhere that it was supposed to “close the grain” of the bat and make it harder.

    I’m not exactly sure how that happens unless the thought is that some of the bone material rubs off into any irregularities in the wood surface.[/quote]

    The above comment pretty much accords with what I’ve been told as an employee at the Louisville Slugger Museum & Factory. But I’ve also been told that it doesn’t actually work. Players first bone-rubbed their bats themselves, then Slugger started doing it for them at the factory beginning around 1932. I think from Slugger’s perspective it was just a selling point and didn’t really improve the bat’s performance or durability. Here’s a photo from the museum of an old advertisement for bone-rubbing:

    http://farm1.static....

    Don’t I remember a scene in Bull Durham where there was a Santeria practicing first baseman–I think his name was Jose– who had some chicken bones to take the curse off his bat?[/quote]

    You are thinking of Major League and Pedro Cerrano[/quote]
    I believe you are looking for this exchange regarding Bull Durham:

    [Larry jogs out to the mound to break up a players’ conference]
    Larry: Excuse me, but what the hell’s going on out here?
    Crash Davis: Well, Nuke’s scared because his eyelids are jammed and his old man’s here. We need a live… is it a live rooster?
    [Jose nods]
    Crash Davis: . We need a live rooster to take the curse off Jose’s glove and nobody seems to know what to get Millie or Jimmy for their wedding present.
    [to the players]
    Crash Davis: Is that about right?
    [the players nod]
    Crash Davis: We’re dealing with a lot of shit.
    Larry: Okay, well, uh… candlesticks always make a nice gift, and uh, maybe you could find out where she’s registered and maybe a place-setting or maybe a silverware pattern. Okay, let’s get two! Go get ’em.[/quote]
    Actually, it’s this exchange:

    JOSE FASHIONS A SMALL CROSS OUT OF CHICKEN BONES and rubs it on his bat. Bobby notices this.

    BOBBY: What’s that?
    JOSE: Chicken bone cross take the curse off this bat and bring me hits.
    BOBBY: You a God damn witch?
    JOSE: Yes. A switch hitting witch.
    BOBBY: Will that work for me?
    JOSE: If you believe in Voodoo.
    BOBBY: I’m 0 for 16! A big f’ing goose-egg for 16. Gimme some of that shit.

    BOBBY HOLDS OUT HIS BAT for Jose to rub with the cross.

    JOSE: No, that is not belief. That is desperation.
    BOBBY: C’mon, God damn it, gimme some!

  • Ken | February 12, 2009 at 12:40 pm |

    The other day, in response to the Flyerjak and the Sabrejak . I said I had (still have) and Islanderjak. Last night I went into storage, found and photoed it. Enjoy. JCPenny’s Islanderjak

  • Namhob | February 12, 2009 at 12:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”314542″]Actually, it’s this exchange:

    JOSE FASHIONS A SMALL CROSS OUT OF CHICKEN BONES and rubs it on his bat. Bobby notices this.

    BOBBY: What’s that?
    JOSE: Chicken bone cross take the curse off this bat and bring me hits.
    BOBBY: You a God damn witch?
    JOSE: Yes. A switch hitting witch.
    BOBBY: Will that work for me?
    JOSE: If you believe in Voodoo.
    BOBBY: I’m 0 for 16! A big f’ing goose-egg for 16. Gimme some of that shit.

    BOBBY HOLDS OUT HIS BAT for Jose to rub with the cross.

    JOSE: No, that is not belief. That is desperation.
    BOBBY: C’mon, God damn it, gimme some![/quote]
    Bingo, forgot about that one.

  • Jason | February 12, 2009 at 12:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”314635″][quote comment=”314631″][quote comment=”314603″][quote comment=”314542″]I used to try the bone on the bat thing when I was a kid after reading somewhere that it was supposed to “close the grain” of the bat and make it harder.

    I’m not exactly sure how that happens unless the thought is that some of the bone material rubs off into any irregularities in the wood surface.[/quote]

    The above comment pretty much accords with what I’ve been told as an employee at the Louisville Slugger Museum & Factory. But I’ve also been told that it doesn’t actually work. Players first bone-rubbed their bats themselves, then Slugger started doing it for them at the factory beginning around 1932. I think from Slugger’s perspective it was just a selling point and didn’t really improve the bat’s performance or durability. Here’s a photo from the museum of an old advertisement for bone-rubbing:

    http://farm1.static....

    Don’t I remember a scene in Bull Durham where there was a Santeria practicing first baseman–I think his name was Jose– who had some chicken bones to take the curse off his bat?[/quote]

    You are thinking of Major League and Pedro Cerrano[/quote]

    Uh, no, he’s not.

    Major League did have a chicken and curse thing (they put KFC in his locker), but the scene in question is from Bull Durham and goes thusly:

    BOBBY: What’s that?
    JOSE: Chicken bone cross take the curse off this bat and bring me hits.
    BOBBY: You a ***** witch?:
    JOSE: Yes. A switch hitting witch. Very common in Puerto Rico.
    BOBBY: Will that work for me?:
    JOSE: If you believe in Voodoo.
    BOBBY: I’m 0 for 16! Gimme some of that sh**.
    BOBBY HOLDS OUT HIS BAT for Jose to rub with the cross.
    JOSE: No, that is not belief. That is desperation.
    BOBBY: C’mon, **** it, gimme some!:

    To paraphrase Crash Davis: “I hate it when people get the movie wrong.”

  • Paul Lukas | February 12, 2009 at 12:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”314655″]Paul

    Just read the ESPN article, and curious about the story of Steven Wojtowicz, because it say he submitted this design in 1997…

    http://i43.tinypic.c...

    … Which looks exactly, and I do mean exactly, like the logo New Jersey’s farm team in the AHL, the Lowell Devils, uses…

    http://www.paultsong...

    … There was no mention of any connection between the two, so I’m curious as to what happened there[/quote]

    Several people have now brought this to my attention. I wasn’t aware of it until now. I’ve sent a note to Steve W.

  • JRJR | February 12, 2009 at 12:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”314656″][quote comment=”314653″][quote comment=”314635″][quote comment=”314631″][quote comment=”314603″][quote comment=”314542″]I used to try the bone on the bat thing when I was a kid after reading somewhere that it was supposed to “close the grain” of the bat and make it harder.

    I’m not exactly sure how that happens unless the thought is that some of the bone material rubs off into any irregularities in the wood surface.[/quote]

    The above comment pretty much accords with what I’ve been told as an employee at the Louisville Slugger Museum & Factory. But I’ve also been told that it doesn’t actually work. Players first bone-rubbed their bats themselves, then Slugger started doing it for them at the factory beginning around 1932. I think from Slugger’s perspective it was just a selling point and didn’t really improve the bat’s performance or durability. Here’s a photo from the museum of an old advertisement for bone-rubbing:

    http://farm1.static....

    Don’t I remember a scene in Bull Durham where there was a Santeria practicing first baseman–I think his name was Jose– who had some chicken bones to take the curse off his bat?[/quote]

    You are thinking of Major League and Pedro Cerrano[/quote]
    I believe you are looking for this exchange regarding Bull Durham:

    [Larry jogs out to the mound to break up a players’ conference]
    Larry: Excuse me, but what the hell’s going on out here?
    Crash Davis: Well, Nuke’s scared because his eyelids are jammed and his old man’s here. We need a live… is it a live rooster?
    [Jose nods]
    Crash Davis: . We need a live rooster to take the curse off Jose’s glove and nobody seems to know what to get Millie or Jimmy for their wedding present.
    [to the players]
    Crash Davis: Is that about right?
    [the players nod]
    Crash Davis: We’re dealing with a lot of shit.
    Larry: Okay, well, uh… candlesticks always make a nice gift, and uh, maybe you could find out where she’s registered and maybe a place-setting or maybe a silverware pattern. Okay, let’s get two! Go get ’em.[/quote]
    Actually, it’s this exchange:

    JOSE FASHIONS A SMALL CROSS OUT OF CHICKEN BONES and rubs it on his bat. Bobby notices this.

    BOBBY: What’s that?
    JOSE: Chicken bone cross take the curse off this bat and bring me hits.
    BOBBY: You a God damn witch?
    JOSE: Yes. A switch hitting witch.
    BOBBY: Will that work for me?
    JOSE: If you believe in Voodoo.
    BOBBY: I’m 0 for 16! A big f’ing goose-egg for 16. Gimme some of that shit.

    BOBBY HOLDS OUT HIS BAT for Jose to rub with the cross.

    JOSE: No, that is not belief. That is desperation.
    BOBBY: C’mon, God damn it, gimme some![/quote]
    [quote comment=”314656″][quote comment=”314653″][quote comment=”314635″][quote comment=”314631″][quote comment=”314603″][quote comment=”314542″]I used to try the bone on the bat thing when I was a kid after reading somewhere that it was supposed to “close the grain” of the bat and make it harder.

    I’m not exactly sure how that happens unless the thought is that some of the bone material rubs off into any irregularities in the wood surface.[/quote]

    The above comment pretty much accords with what I’ve been told as an employee at the Louisville Slugger Museum & Factory. But I’ve also been told that it doesn’t actually work. Players first bone-rubbed their bats themselves, then Slugger started doing it for them at the factory beginning around 1932. I think from Slugger’s perspective it was just a selling point and didn’t really improve the bat’s performance or durability. Here’s a photo from the museum of an old advertisement for bone-rubbing:

    http://farm1.static....

    Don’t I remember a scene in Bull Durham where there was a Santeria practicing first baseman–I think his name was Jose– who had some chicken bones to take the curse off his bat?[/quote]

    You are thinking of Major League and Pedro Cerrano[/quote]
    I believe you are looking for this exchange regarding Bull Durham:

    [Larry jogs out to the mound to break up a players’ conference]
    Larry: Excuse me, but what the hell’s going on out here?
    Crash Davis: Well, Nuke’s scared because his eyelids are jammed and his old man’s here. We need a live… is it a live rooster?
    [Jose nods]
    Crash Davis: . We need a live rooster to take the curse off Jose’s glove and nobody seems to know what to get Millie or Jimmy for their wedding present.
    [to the players]
    Crash Davis: Is that about right?
    [the players nod]
    Crash Davis: We’re dealing with a lot of shit.
    Larry: Okay, well, uh… candlesticks always make a nice gift, and uh, maybe you could find out where she’s registered and maybe a place-setting or maybe a silverware pattern. Okay, let’s get two! Go get ’em.[/quote]
    Actually, it’s this exchange:

    JOSE FASHIONS A SMALL CROSS OUT OF CHICKEN BONES and rubs it on his bat. Bobby notices this.

    BOBBY: What’s that?
    JOSE: Chicken bone cross take the curse off this bat and bring me hits.
    BOBBY: You a God damn witch?
    JOSE: Yes. A switch hitting witch.
    BOBBY: Will that work for me?
    JOSE: If you believe in Voodoo.
    BOBBY: I’m 0 for 16! A big f’ing goose-egg for 16. Gimme some of that shit.

    BOBBY HOLDS OUT HIS BAT for Jose to rub with the cross.

    JOSE: No, that is not belief. That is desperation.
    BOBBY: C’mon, God damn it, gimme some![/quote]

    That’s the one! If I remember correctly, Crash walks by to hit the on deck circle and puts out his bat for a little chicken bone tap.

    Incidentally, we also used to do the coke bottle “boning” but no one ever really explained why.

  • Ken | February 12, 2009 at 12:59 pm |

    While on Vacation last month I saw this in the giftshop. I thought it was a local creation till I saw the MLB tag. I went back the next day to take a picture and there were more. baseball hats . They had the usual team (boston, Cubs, Yanks, Phillies).
    And then at the airport, Manley International, I found the store . I looked photo1 & photo2 but didn’t buy. (now I wish I had because I don’t see them online to buy.

  • jeff | February 12, 2009 at 1:01 pm |

    Looks like that “Phill Simms” autograph is very fake

  • jeff | February 12, 2009 at 1:02 pm |
  • Kek | February 12, 2009 at 1:05 pm |

    Tom Farley: HUGE Office fan, glad to see someone else in here. NBC is selling a t-shirt of Dwight’s work shirt: http://www.nbcuniver...

    Looks more goldenrod to me, but I’m not really good with that sort of thing.

    K in PA: So cool that you’re in here. That Pryor figure was awesome. I’m so glad to hear you refer to the Trib as what it is, a rag. As much as I blast certain scribes at the PG, the Trib is a total joke. That article pissed me off in the tone the writer let it go when Coach Reitz made the comments he did. (I’m not a fan of his, we’ll see how he does in Latrobe without the nation’s #1 recruit).

    I actually blogged about this shortly after the Trib story ran, I’m not going to link here, but if you want me to email the blurb to you, I’ll be glad to. My contact info is available via the website URL hyperlink in my name.

  • JTH | February 12, 2009 at 1:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”314665″]Tom Farley: HUGE Office fan, glad to see someone else in here. NBC is selling a t-shirt of Dwight’s work shirt: http://www.nbcuniver...
    [/quote]
    I can’t make it out, but I’m guessing it says “assistant to the regional manager” above the “pocket.” And speaking of pockets, that shirt would be 537% better if they used a pocketed t-shirt instead of the screen-printed pseudopocket.

  • Original Jim | February 12, 2009 at 1:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”314660″][quote comment=”314655″]Paul

    Just read the ESPN article, and curious about the story of Steven Wojtowicz, because it say he submitted this design in 1997…

    http://i43.tinypic.c...

    … Which looks exactly, and I do mean exactly, like the logo New Jersey’s farm team in the AHL, the Lowell Devils, uses…

    http://www.paultsong...

    … There was no mention of any connection between the two, so I’m curious as to what happened there[/quote]

    Several people have now brought this to my attention. I wasn’t aware of it until now. I’ve sent a note to Steve W.[/quote]

    That Devils logo has been used in the organization for quite some time. I had seen it in a “Devils Den” merchandise catalog years before it was used by Lowell.

    It’s possible it might have been an in-house design used only for off-ice merchandise, but it is definitely from within the system, and not made specifically for Lowell.

  • Kek | February 12, 2009 at 1:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”314666″][quote comment=”314665″]Tom Farley: HUGE Office fan, glad to see someone else in here. NBC is selling a t-shirt of Dwight’s work shirt: http://www.nbcuniver...
    [/quote]
    I can’t make it out, but I’m guessing it says “assistant to the regional manager” above the “pocket.” And speaking of pockets, that shirt would be 537% better if they used a pocketed t-shirt instead of the screen-printed pseudopocket.[/quote]
    No doubt…major oversight.

    Funny thing about this, I was watching the DVD last night of the episode where Jim comes in at the beginning and is dressed exactly like Dwight and pretends to be him at the open of the show.

    Dwight then acts as Jim at the very end of the show.

    Both were great impressions of the other.

  • Kek | February 12, 2009 at 1:24 pm |

    To Ben Traxel: do you have any of the Pittsburgh players’ SI mini posters and if so are they scanned? I’d love to make a desktop background out of those.

  • LI Phil | February 12, 2009 at 1:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”314663″]Looks like that “Phill Simms” autograph is very fake[/quote]

    his full name is “phillip martin simms” (two “l”‘s in phillip – as opposed to myself), and i have a couple friends who also spell their name with the two “l”‘s…i can’t recall their signatures (they may have used the full “phillip”), but whenever writing their names, if they were to shorten them, they NEVER used “phill”…just “phil” like simms…

    long story short…i’d bet the “phill” is a fake…ESPECIALLY when confronted with the helmet signature — most people’s signatures don’t drastically differ as much as those two, and the first one (the ‘fake’ one) struck me as very odd

  • Paul Lukas | February 12, 2009 at 1:29 pm |

    Note just sent my way by Steve W.:

    “While I greatly appreciate you for looking after my best interests, the Devil logo I used was not original. This logo was one being used on some Devil merchandise around that same time period (1996 – 1999-ish) and I just thought it would look good on an official team jersey. Sorry if I led you astray in thinking the Devil logo was an original idea. It was more the look of the jersey that I came up with.”

    So there we are.

  • rpm | February 12, 2009 at 1:35 pm |

    everyone is on top of the reason for the bone, and boy did that not make me wax fantastic. i have been saving the ol’ broke down c-271 that i used in the way back machine. one day i will incorporate it into something, but i dug it out of the studio, and took a photo, it’s a bute, right? hm, guess i really liked my tar.

    as for unsolicited submissions, i feel bad for mr swift, but let’s face it, the arch is as common to st louis graphics as peanut butter is to jelly. unfortunately, even if he is accurate, i have learned over the years that big corporations take advantage of artist’s, for me it was marshall f*#%ing field’s, SO DOCUMENT EVERYTHING. otherwise, your submission may as well be a gift, and why give gifts to the corporation when you can give them to their underpaid employee on her 35th year anniversary. nancy sure was grrrrrrrowl when she started.

  • rpm | February 12, 2009 at 1:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”314672″]everyone is on top of the reason for the bone, and boy did that not make me wax fantastic. i have been saving the ol’ broke down c-271 that i used in the way back machine. one day i will incorporate it into something, but i dug it out of the studio, and took a photo, it’s a bute, right? hm, guess i really liked my tar.

    as for unsolicited submissions, i feel bad for mr swift, but let’s face it, the arch is as common to st louis graphics as peanut butter is to jelly. unfortunately, even if he is accurate, i have learned over the years that big corporations take advantage of artist’s, for me it was marshall f*#%ing field’s, SO DOCUMENT EVERYTHING. otherwise, your submission may as well be a gift, and why give gifts to the corporation when you can give them to their underpaid employee on her 35th year anniversary. nancy sure was grrrrrrrowl when she started.[/quote]

  • Beardface | February 12, 2009 at 1:40 pm |

    Uni-detail I bet you didn’t know…

    Ever watch a VT football game and wonder why their helmets tend to glitter? Well, there is a reason for that. The maroon paint used to coat the shell actually contains flecks of gold paint that causes the glitter effect you see on camera. For a good look at this effect, take a look at this Tyrod Taylor from last season and you’ll see the gold flecks right around the reflection of the field lights in the Orange Bowl…

    Anyone know of any other teams that do this?

  • Ryan Connelly 40 | February 12, 2009 at 1:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”314638″][quote comment=”314578″]that pryor thing was you?!?! GREAT work!!! awesome detail too![/quote]

    Thanks. Yeah…. That was me. I sometimes wish I hadn’t made them. All the publicity/criticism really killed my desire to make any more customs for a long time. It still lingers as I have a couple more Pryor figures to make for friends that I have been sitting on for a long time now.

    Most people do not understand or appreciate the time and effort it takes to make one. I probably put in 30-40 work hours (not including “drying time”) for each figure. Materials alone run $25-$30–sometimes more depending on the McFarlane figure I use. I can’t even count how many times someone emails me about making a custom figure, only to disappear once I quote them a rough price. Most of the time, I didn’t want to make thsoe figures anyway, ;c)[/quote]

    no, trust me, keep up the great work on the customs!!! thats an awesome hobby ya got there! believe me, if i had the resources and the skill i’d have a weired little green high school (allderdice) hockey player with a huge #40 on his back on my shelf at home! haha

  • Gabe | February 12, 2009 at 1:46 pm |

    For all you soccer hooligans out there…

    RuffNeckWear
    Paul you should find all the stripes mesmerizing…

  • DenverGregg | February 12, 2009 at 1:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”314589″][quote comment=”314582″][quote comment=”314572″]If I remember right – all Broncos games were color-on-color in 1960-61, they wore mustard tops/brown pants, both home and away – they were second hand.[/quote]
    This tidbit gets passed around a lot, even from people who worked in the Broncos organization at the time, but I’m pretty sure there is clear evidence that the team actually had a white road jersey counterpart to their home-style mustards.[/quote]

    i agree

    ricko or timmy b. could prolly confirm for sure though

    mike stanhope’s page has some compelling visual evidence (although the site also claims they have the orange lid with brown bronco, which ricko swears is actually blue, not brown)…

    in addition, there is this…again, just because it’s pictured doesn’t mean it to be true, but i am fairly certain the broncos did have white jerseys as well

    perhaps denver gregg would know?

    anyone?[/quote]
    Thanks for the thought, but I don’t know for sure. I’ve heard it said that only gold was worn in the first year or two and I’ve heard that white was worn for at least some road games in each of those seasons. Given the Broncos’ famously low budget during those years (my Dad saw the owner come into the stands to retrieve a ball after a field goal), one set of used jerseys wouldn’t be a surprise. If George Pernicano in San Diego is in good health, he’d probably remember what was worn there in ’61. I don’t know if any other original AFL franchises have anyone around who was there that long ago.

  • JAson | February 12, 2009 at 1:56 pm |

    Not only have the Indians moved back to Arizona, they have added names to their BP jerseys

    http://photos.clevel...

  • lwiedy | February 12, 2009 at 2:02 pm |

    On the subject of bookcovers, the Yanks in 1971 gave these away on Back to School Day: http://i256.photobuc...

  • Mike | February 12, 2009 at 2:07 pm |

    The black armbands on the uniform of the Cardinals in 1979 was in tribute to tightend JV Cain who died of a heart ailment in training camp.

  • sonic tooth | February 12, 2009 at 2:08 pm |

    Paul, enjoyed today’s article.
    Recall the Packers potential uni change correspondence from an old Beer Frame issue. A blast from the past…

  • Paul Lukas | February 12, 2009 at 2:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”314681″]Paul, enjoyed today’s article.
    Recall the Packers potential uni change correspondence from an old Beer Frame issue.

    A blast from the past…[/quote]

    I tried and failed to find the original letter from Harlan (not sure what I did with it). So for the scan that I linked to in today’s column, I had to scan the back cover of my last copy of Beer Frame #2, where I had run a xerox of Harlan’s letter.

    When Harlan called me (and keep in mind, I wasn’t a journalist at the time — I was just some shmoe who wrote a letter), all I could think as we talked was, “Shouldn’t this guy be doing more important stuff than talking to me?”

  • bill | February 12, 2009 at 2:16 pm |

    One more thing about boning a bat that my brother taught me as a kid (when kids played with wooden bats and he did so in college). If you are in a slump and find that you have used up all your hits alloted to that bone, get a new one.

  • Kenny | February 12, 2009 at 2:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”314662″]While on Vacation last month I saw this in the giftshop. I thought it was a local creation till I saw the MLB tag. I went back the next day to take a picture and there were more. baseball hats . They had the usual team (boston, Cubs, Yanks, Phillies).
    And then at the airport, Manley International, I found the store . I looked photo1 & photo2 but didn’t buy. (now I wish I had because I don’t see them online to buy.[/quote]

    I was in that store in October. Pretty cool/crazy stuff.

  • Ricko | February 12, 2009 at 2:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”314677″][quote comment=”314589″][quote comment=”314582″][quote comment=”314572″]If I remember right – all Broncos games were color-on-color in 1960-61, they wore mustard tops/brown pants, both home and away – they were second hand.[/quote]
    This tidbit gets passed around a lot, even from people who worked in the Broncos organization at the time, but I’m pretty sure there is clear evidence that the team actually had a white road jersey counterpart to their home-style mustards.[/quote]

    i agree

    ricko or timmy b. could prolly confirm for sure though

    mike stanhope’s page has some compelling visual evidence (although the site also claims they have the orange lid with brown bronco, which ricko swears is actually blue, not brown)…

    in addition, there is this…again, just because it’s pictured doesn’t mean it to be true, but i am fairly certain the broncos did have white jerseys as well

    perhaps denver gregg would know?

    anyone?[/quote]
    Thanks for the thought, but I don’t know for sure. I’ve heard it said that only gold was worn in the first year or two and I’ve heard that white was worn for at least some road games in each of those seasons. Given the Broncos’ famously low budget during those years (my Dad saw the owner come into the stands to retrieve a ball after a field goal), one set of used jerseys wouldn’t be a surprise. If George Pernicano in San Diego is in good health, he’d probably remember what was worn there in ’61. I don’t know if any other original AFL franchises have anyone around who was there that long ago.[/quote]

    I’m not saying they didn’t wear the gold on the road once in a while. But they had whites, and brown & white socks, for both ’60 and ’61. Anyone else here watch them live on black and white TV in ’60 and ’61, watching closely to see if the white crew socks did, or did not, match the lighter color in the socks? Or for road games that you could tell the two stripes on the pants were a color (in this case, gray) and that vertical stripes, jerseys, crew socks, helmet strip and helmet numbers were white?

    I’m not writing this based on studying old photos or someone’s recollections. I’m talking about watching it live—entire games—figuring it out til I was certain, and then recording it (on my goofy ass index cards).

    As I’ve said, when one of these “experts” can tell me they did that personally…then we’ll talk.

    The frickin’ horse was blue. Nobody “honored” or “threwback” anything back then. Especially to a color scheme they wore for just two years and DESPISED. Let’s not look for the complex, convoluted explanation here. Why is it so hard to apply logic? “Oh, looks like they tried the horsey royal blue and it didn’t show up so well (it didn’t, look at the damn photos) so they changed it to white.” Also notice almost all photos of that helmet are at night. Hello, people…preseason games. Duh.

    There is absolutely, positively no sensible reason whatsoever that it would be brown. Except for people over-thinking the shit out of it, or applying today’s throwback mentality to 1962, which is just flat out wrong, and shows a lack of ability to view anything from other than their own perspective, as if their personal filter is the absolute standard.

    —Ricko

  • Lomion | February 12, 2009 at 2:25 pm |

    Dudes, we keep saying “Boning.”

    *Has a case of the giggles*

  • Ricko | February 12, 2009 at 2:27 pm |

    Didn’t someone post a photo here recently, from the Hall of Fame, maybe, and there’s a pair of the brown and white stirrups hanging right there in plain sight?

  • joe | February 12, 2009 at 2:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”314630″][quote comment=”314570″]another note: Indiana does NOT offer plates for any school outside of the state, which I think is a good way to do it.[/quote]
    Same goes for Illinois.

    In the 90s, they considered allowing out-of-state college plates and put out several petitions for them. (I signed the one for IU). I don’t remember exactly which ones were proposed, but I think it was the other 9 Big Ten schools plus some others from neighboring states (Marquette, Notre Dame, Missouri, St. Louis, Kentucky, Louisville, Tennesse, etc.)

    Despite plenty of interest, the state pulled the plug on the idea.[/quote]

    you do realize that your link shows Illinois has a Notre Dame plate which is located in Indiana.

  • sonic tooth | February 12, 2009 at 2:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”314682″][quote comment=”314681″]Paul, enjoyed today’s article.
    Recall the Packers potential uni change correspondence from an old Beer Frame issue.

    A blast from the past…[/quote]

    I tried and failed to find the original letter from Harlan (not sure what I did with it). So for the scan that I linked to in today’s column, I had to scan the back cover of my last copy of Beer Frame #2, where I had run a xerox of Harlan’s letter.

    When Harlan called me (and keep in mind, I wasn’t a journalist at the time — I was just some shmoe who wrote a letter), all I could think as we talked was, “Shouldn’t this guy be doing more important stuff than talking to me?”[/quote]

    I recall reading the zine (on an SF Muni train home from my job at Tower Records) and thinking it pretty crazy too that someone was getting personal replies from the GREEN BAY PACKERS! Oh, i was also getting a tad hungry for canned mutton.

  • Ricko | February 12, 2009 at 2:34 pm |

    More logic. The pants stripes are royal-orange-royal. The white jerseys have royal numbers and stripes; no orange at all.

    Take “honoring” of the equation because it’s ludicrous to include it. Why would the dark helmet horsey be anything BUT royal?

  • Lwiedy | February 12, 2009 at 2:35 pm |

    Saw a piece last night on Showtime’s Inside the NFL about how 13 years ago Myron Cope handed over all rights (and proceeds) of the Terrible Towel to a special needs school in PA. Wow.

    I hate the Steelers, but I’m going to buy a towel anyway. A really great story.

  • Lwiedy | February 12, 2009 at 2:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”314689″][quote comment=”314682″][quote comment=”314681″]Paul, enjoyed today’s article.
    Recall the Packers potential uni change correspondence from an old Beer Frame issue.

    A blast from the past…[/quote]

    I tried and failed to find the original letter from Harlan (not sure what I did with it). So for the scan that I linked to in today’s column, I had to scan the back cover of my last copy of Beer Frame #2, where I had run a xerox of Harlan’s letter.

    When Harlan called me (and keep in mind, I wasn’t a journalist at the time — I was just some shmoe who wrote a letter), all I could think as we talked was, “Shouldn’t this guy be doing more important stuff than talking to me?”[/quote]

    Oh, i was also getting a tad hungry for canned mutton.[/quote]

    There might be some hidden in my couch.

  • JTH | February 12, 2009 at 2:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”314688″][quote comment=”314630″][quote comment=”314570″]another note: Indiana does NOT offer plates for any school outside of the state, which I think is a good way to do it.[/quote]
    Same goes for Illinois.

    In the 90s, they considered allowing out-of-state college plates and put out several petitions for them. (I signed the one for IU). I don’t remember exactly which ones were proposed, but I think it was the other 9 Big Ten schools plus some others from neighboring states (Marquette, Notre Dame, Missouri, St. Louis, Kentucky, Louisville, Tennesse, etc.)

    Despite plenty of interest, the state pulled the plug on the idea.[/quote]

    you do realize that your link shows Illinois has a Notre Dame plate which is located in Indiana.[/quote]
    Well, I’ll be damned. No, I didn’t notice that. I guess that one made the cut before they scrapped the initiative. I’m surprised I’ve never seen one of those on the roads.

    – JTH (The T stands for attention To detail)

  • ToasterPoodle | February 12, 2009 at 2:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”314579″][quote comment=”314576″]When I clicked the McFarlane link, I was expecting The Hulk wearing a Barry Bonds jersey or something. Which would be hilarious.

    Also, the out-of-state colleges on liscense plates is not unique to Georgia:

    http://www.dmv.virgi...

    The Ohio State plate has an interesting logo that I haven’t seen before. Is that a common OSU symbol that I haven’t seen simply because I don’t know balls about the school outside of sports?[/quote]

    That’s an older athletics logo from the 80s or so. Looking at other plates in the Virginia inventory, there are a LOT of outdated logos in there.[/quote]

    The Ohio State logo is actually the logo of tOSU alumni association.
    http://www.osu.edu/i...

  • Kevin Z. | February 12, 2009 at 2:47 pm |

    I thought it wasn’t logo creep if it was a company’s product? That is, if nike is making a shirt and they put the swoosh logo on it, that’s fine. BUT if they are making a Red Sox shirt and throw a swoosh on it, that’s logo creep. How is reebok putting its logo on its shoes considered logo creep?

  • Mike | February 12, 2009 at 2:49 pm |

    From the column…

    I’m not sure of the complete history of it, but the old Alaska Baseball League is still in use with the Alaska (Fairbanks) Goldpanners, who are in the ABL. You’ll notice the ball in the logo is located directly where Fairbanks is in the state, which makes me think that it was originally a Goldpanner logo that the entire league adopted (the Panners are by far the most historic and successful team in the league).

    http://goldpanners.c...

  • slurpeeman | February 12, 2009 at 2:53 pm |

    I have Penn State plates here in Virginia. The Commonwealth and the PSU Alumni Association split the extra $35, so everybody wins.

  • DenverGregg | February 12, 2009 at 2:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”314685″][quote comment=”314677″][quote comment=”314589″][quote comment=”314582″][quote comment=”314572″]If I remember right – all Broncos games were color-on-color in 1960-61, they wore mustard tops/brown pants, both home and away – they were second hand.[/quote]
    This tidbit gets passed around a lot, even from people who worked in the Broncos organization at the time, but I’m pretty sure there is clear evidence that the team actually had a white road jersey counterpart to their home-style mustards.[/quote]

    i agree

    ricko or timmy b. could prolly confirm for sure though

    mike stanhope’s page has some compelling visual evidence (although the site also claims they have the orange lid with brown bronco, which ricko swears is actually blue, not brown)…

    in addition, there is this…again, just because it’s pictured doesn’t mean it to be true, but i am fairly certain the broncos did have white jerseys as well

    perhaps denver gregg would know?

    anyone?[/quote]
    Thanks for the thought, but I don’t know for sure. I’ve heard it said that only gold was worn in the first year or two and I’ve heard that white was worn for at least some road games in each of those seasons. Given the Broncos’ famously low budget during those years (my Dad saw the owner come into the stands to retrieve a ball after a field goal), one set of used jerseys wouldn’t be a surprise. If George Pernicano in San Diego is in good health, he’d probably remember what was worn there in ’61. I don’t know if any other original AFL franchises have anyone around who was there that long ago.[/quote]

    I’m not saying they didn’t wear the gold on the road once in a while. But they had whites, and brown & white socks, for both ’60 and ’61. Anyone else here watch them live on black and white TV in ’60 and ’61, watching closely to see if the white crew socks did, or did not, match the lighter color in the socks? Or for road games that you could tell the two stripes on the pants were a color (in this case, gray) and that vertical stripes, jerseys, crew socks, helmet strip and helmet numbers were white?

    I’m not writing this based on studying old photos or someone’s recollections. I’m talking about watching it live—entire games—figuring it out til I was certain, and then recording it (on my goofy ass index cards).

    As I’ve said, when one of these “experts” can tell me they did that personally…then we’ll talk.

    The frickin’ horse was blue. Nobody “honored” or “threwback” anything back then. Especially to a color scheme they wore for just two years and DESPISED. Let’s not look for the complex, convoluted explanation here. Why is it so hard to apply logic? “Oh, looks like they tried the horsey royal blue and it didn’t show up so well (it didn’t, look at the damn photos) so they changed it to white.” Also notice almost all photos of that helmet are at night. Hello, people…preseason games. Duh.

    There is absolutely, positively no sensible reason whatsoever that it would be brown. Except for people over-thinking the shit out of it, or applying today’s throwback mentality to 1962, which is just flat out wrong, and shows a lack of ability to view anything from other than their own perspective, as if their personal filter is the absolute standard.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    I’m convinced . . . and almost sorry to have provoked a rant, since it was a good one — especially the last two paragraphs.

  • Namhob | February 12, 2009 at 2:58 pm |

    Raiders have apparently unveiled their 50th season logo. http://www.profootba...

  • Sage Confucius | February 12, 2009 at 3:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”314621″]Tennessee offers 46 different college plates. I have the second of the UT plates on me and my wife’s car. Tennessee also has a Titans plate and Predators plate. I also included all of the different plates they offer, including an Elvis plate.

    http://www.tennessee...
    http://www.tennessee...
    http://www.tennessee...
    http://www.tennessee...
    http://www.tennessee...

    Tennessee has a ton of school plates. My personal favorite is the one on my car. They got the 7 on the about two months before they won number 8.
    http://i173.photobuc...

  • Namhob | February 12, 2009 at 3:07 pm |

    Ok, this really isn’t uni related, but hysterical nonetheless.

    http://www.azstarnet...

  • Paul Lukas | February 12, 2009 at 3:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”314689″]Oh, i was also getting a tad hungry for canned mutton.[/quote]

    The original can, unopened, is displayed (along with a bunch of other interesting canned/bottled goods from the BF era) in my living room. It’s now about 15 yrs old.

  • Ricko | February 12, 2009 at 3:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”314698″][quote comment=”314685″][quote comment=”314677″][quote comment=”314589″][quote comment=”314582″][quote comment=”314572″]If I remember right – all Broncos games were color-on-color in 1960-61, they wore mustard tops/brown pants, both home and away – they were second hand.[/quote]
    This tidbit gets passed around a lot, even from people who worked in the Broncos organization at the time, but I’m pretty sure there is clear evidence that the team actually had a white road jersey counterpart to their home-style mustards.[/quote]

    i agree

    ricko or timmy b. could prolly confirm for sure though

    mike stanhope’s page has some compelling visual evidence (although the site also claims they have the orange lid with brown bronco, which ricko swears is actually blue, not brown)…

    in addition, there is this…again, just because it’s pictured doesn’t mean it to be true, but i am fairly certain the broncos did have white jerseys as well

    perhaps denver gregg would know?

    anyone?[/quote]
    Thanks for the thought, but I don’t know for sure. I’ve heard it said that only gold was worn in the first year or two and I’ve heard that white was worn for at least some road games in each of those seasons. Given the Broncos’ famously low budget during those years (my Dad saw the owner come into the stands to retrieve a ball after a field goal), one set of used jerseys wouldn’t be a surprise. If George Pernicano in San Diego is in good health, he’d probably remember what was worn there in ’61. I don’t know if any other original AFL franchises have anyone around who was there that long ago.[/quote]

    I’m not saying they didn’t wear the gold on the road once in a while. But they had whites, and brown & white socks, for both ’60 and ’61. Anyone else here watch them live on black and white TV in ’60 and ’61, watching closely to see if the white crew socks did, or did not, match the lighter color in the socks? Or for road games that you could tell the two stripes on the pants were a color (in this case, gray) and that vertical stripes, jerseys, crew socks, helmet strip and helmet numbers were white?

    I’m not writing this based on studying old photos or someone’s recollections. I’m talking about watching it live—entire games—figuring it out til I was certain, and then recording it (on my goofy ass index cards).

    As I’ve said, when one of these “experts” can tell me they did that personally…then we’ll talk.

    The frickin’ horse was blue. Nobody “honored” or “threwback” anything back then. Especially to a color scheme they wore for just two years and DESPISED. Let’s not look for the complex, convoluted explanation here. Why is it so hard to apply logic? “Oh, looks like they tried the horsey royal blue and it didn’t show up so well (it didn’t, look at the damn photos) so they changed it to white.” Also notice almost all photos of that helmet are at night. Hello, people…preseason games. Duh.

    There is absolutely, positively no sensible reason whatsoever that it would be brown. Except for people over-thinking the shit out of it, or applying today’s throwback mentality to 1962, which is just flat out wrong, and shows a lack of ability to view anything from other than their own perspective, as if their personal filter is the absolute standard.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    I’m convinced . . . and almost sorry to have provoked a rant, since it was a good one — especially the last two paragraphs.[/quote]

    LOL, no problem. I just got so tired of “invented” history that defies logic and probably goes back to one equipment guy who didn’t know burgundy from burnt orange, being questioned by someone young enough to think “throwbacks” have been around since Red Grange (if he even knew who Red Grange is).

    “Oh, yeah, it WAS brown,” the equipment guy answered, not wanting to sound stupid, when in his mind he was thinking, “How the hell do I know what color the goddamn HORSE was, I was too busy shining cleats and tightening face masks. I put the right helmet in the right locker. Who gave a shit what COLOR it was.”

  • Stuby | February 12, 2009 at 3:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”314699″]Raiders have apparently unveiled their 50th season logo. http://www.profootba...
    Interesting that the logo appears to commemorate the two conference championships (smaller diamonds) as well as League championships (larger diamonds)

  • Dorc | February 12, 2009 at 3:38 pm |

    From the Random File…

    http://www.minotdail...

  • LarryB | February 12, 2009 at 3:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”314649″][quote comment=”314647″]
    Oh, I could be wrong, just going by 14-15 year old recollections of reading about it in the paper. Maybe I thought logo OUGHT to be on pants rather than sleeve, to KEEP them from being plain. As I said, just trying to remember exactly my reaction…other than I know I thought Packer fans wouldn’t exactly warm to the notion. And they didn’t.

    –Ricko[/quote]

    I recall another rumor, probably before the official announcement, that the Packers would be switching back to the navy and gold of Lambeau’s glory days. Which I was also in favor of.

    But that’s probably my faulty memory, conflating the new uniforms with the announced 1994 throwbacks, which might have been announced right around the same time. Funny how it plays tricks with us.[/quote]

    I remember that rumor also

  • chance | February 12, 2009 at 3:53 pm |

    Glad to hear it, LarryB. Thought I might be going crazy.

  • Beardface | February 12, 2009 at 4:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”314699″]Raiders have apparently unveiled their 50th season logo. http://www.profootba...
    Commitment to Excellence?

    hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

  • Robert in Dallas | February 12, 2009 at 4:13 pm |

    In the late ’90s, I was upset that my Cornhuskers had dropped the stripes on both their home and away football pants, making for a terrible look.

    I therefore sent an e-mail to the Cornhuskers athletic director, “Dollar” Bill Byrne, complaining. I was shocked that he responded to my e-mail, kindly saying that the players preferred the stripe-free look and implying that it was more modern and hip.

    It was neat that he replied, but the reasoning for ruining the pants made my stomach turn. It was a major highlight for me when the team returned to its senses a few years later.

  • LarryB | February 12, 2009 at 4:52 pm |

    Timmy B great work on the uniform research. I know that took a lot of time and effort. I saw something you said the other day. About pictures before 1970 interest you the most. Same here.

    Also I enjoy the custom McFarlanes and have known about them for a while. Some guys do a great job.

  • DJK | February 12, 2009 at 4:55 pm |

    Unanswered question from someone yesterday:

    The new Iowa hoops unis show only yellow and black. The yellow say Hawkeyes, and the black say Iowa, making it seem even more likely the yellow are homes and the blacks away. Does anyone know if they have dumped the whites?

    Also, on the different shades of yellow, the three teams in the Big Ten who wear yellow, Minnesota is definitely darker than Iowa, who is definitely darker than Michigan.

  • jason | February 12, 2009 at 5:26 pm |

    i am pretty sure central michigan university has the gold sparks in their helmets too. i know from sitting in the front row at almost all of their football games last year that they definatly have a sparkle to them. take a look its hard to see but i am trying to find a better picture.

    http://www.flickr.co...

  • jason | February 12, 2009 at 5:28 pm |

    little better here…

    http://images.search...

  • Robert | February 12, 2009 at 5:29 pm |

    If anyone can point me in the right direction of a place or somewhere where I can get a Shane Falco 16 jersey from the movie The Replacements, email me at rr3834a@american.edu. I love reading this blog and I know you guys will have the answer.

  • Skippy | February 12, 2009 at 5:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”314714″]If anyone can point me in the right direction of a place or somewhere where I can get a Shane Falco 16 jersey from the movie The Replacements, email me at rr3834a@american.edu. I love reading this blog and I know you guys will have the answer.[/quote]

    http://www.nfl-nba-m...

  • LI Phil | February 12, 2009 at 5:53 pm |

    damn skippy

    that site is the shit!

  • Akio | February 12, 2009 at 5:54 pm |

    http://www.nydailyne...

    LA GEAR logo drawn on Montana’s spats.

  • Kerry P | February 12, 2009 at 6:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”314715″][quote comment=”314714″]If anyone can point me in the right direction of a place or somewhere where I can get a Shane Falco 16 jersey from the movie The Replacements, email me at rr3834a@american.edu. I love reading this blog and I know you guys will have the answer.[/quote]

    http://www.nfl-nba-m...
    HOLY SHIT! I think this site may be the ending location of the funds from my tax refund!

  • Kevin Z. | February 12, 2009 at 6:19 pm |

    Paul,
    I thought it wasn’t logo creep if it was a company’s product? That is, if nike is making a shirt and they put the swoosh logo on it, that’s fine. BUT if they are making a Red Sox shirt and throw a swoosh on it, that’s logo creep. How is reebok putting its logo on its shoes considered logo creep?

  • dan | February 12, 2009 at 6:22 pm |

    maryland has all sorts of out of state plates. i have seen west virginia, north carolina, virginia, notre dame,penn state, etc. they also have ravens, cal ripken and a whole bunch of others.

  • LarryB | February 12, 2009 at 6:23 pm |

    Ricko, I know what you mean by this scenario. I wonder wbout asking old equipment guys about colors of things from 40,50,60, years ago. Meaning I question what they say is 100% accurate.

    LOL, no problem. I just got so tired of “invented” history that defies logic and probably goes back to one equipment guy who didn’t know burgundy from burnt orange, being questioned by someone young enough to think “throwbacks” have been around since Red Grange (if he even knew who Red Grange is).

    “Oh, yeah, it WAS brown,” the equipment guy answered, not wanting to sound stupid, when in his mind he was thinking, “How the hell do I know what color the goddamn HORSE was, I was too busy shining cleats and tightening face masks. I put the right helmet in the right locker. Who gave a shit what COLOR it was.”

  • LarryB | February 12, 2009 at 6:27 pm |

    I just started to watch the Office a few months ago and now am hooked on it. I am trying to watch all the replays on Tuesday night on TBS.

    And that Pryor custom McFarlane is great. I remember the fuss about it when it came out. I am a huge Buckeye fan and thrilled to have Pryor. Ohio State got Cris Carter’s son and there have been rumors about Pryor switching his #2 to his high school number 11. But most of what I hear is he will keep #2

  • Lwiedy | February 12, 2009 at 6:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”314715″][quote comment=”314714″]If anyone can point me in the right direction of a place or somewhere where I can get a Shane Falco 16 jersey from the movie The Replacements, email me at rr3834a@american.edu. I love reading this blog and I know you guys will have the answer.[/quote]

    http://www.nfl-nba-m...

    Very cool concept!

    Funny though, does this business have a name? Not to suggest anything, but there must be immense licensing issues here. MLB, NFL, NHL, NBA, movie studios, etc.

  • K in PA | February 12, 2009 at 6:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”314722″]And that Pryor custom McFarlane is great. I remember the fuss about it when it came out. I am a huge Buckeye fan and thrilled to have Pryor. Ohio State got Cris Carter’s son and there have been rumors about Pryor switching his #2 to his high school number 11. But most of what I hear is he will keep #2[/quote]
    I don’t think it exactly “came out” since I only made 2 of them–and TP has one of them.

  • Johnny O | February 12, 2009 at 7:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”314722″]I just started to watch the Office a few months ago and now am hooked on it. I am trying to watch all the replays on Tuesday night on TBS.

    And that Pryor custom McFarlane is great. I remember the fuss about it when it came out. I am a huge Buckeye fan and thrilled to have Pryor. Ohio State got Cris Carter’s son and there have been rumors about Pryor switching his #2 to his high school number 11. But most of what I hear is he will keep #2[/quote]

    I got hooked on The Office right before the writer strike and I too tried to catch up by watching the re-runs on TBS, but I broke down and bought the first four seasons on DVD. Another tid bit of information, John Krazinski (Jim) is the voice on those Verizon commercials for the Blackberry Storm.

  • Paul | February 12, 2009 at 7:11 pm |

    Who would have thought you could find a swoosh in Tony Parker’s backyard?

  • LI Phil | February 12, 2009 at 7:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”314723″][quote comment=”314715″][quote comment=”314714″]If anyone can point me in the right direction of a place or somewhere where I can get a Shane Falco 16 jersey from the movie The Replacements, email me at rr3834a@american.edu. I love reading this blog and I know you guys will have the answer.[/quote]

    http://www.nfl-nba-m...

    Very cool concept!

    Funny though, does this business have a name? Not to suggest anything, but there must be immense licensing issues here. MLB, NFL, NHL, NBA, movie studios, etc.[/quote]

    and if it does, lets all keep it a secret until we’re done ordering from them, k? ;)

  • LarryB | February 12, 2009 at 7:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”314724″][quote comment=”314722″]And that Pryor custom McFarlane is great. I remember the fuss about it when it came out. I am a huge Buckeye fan and thrilled to have Pryor. Ohio State got Cris Carter’s son and there have been rumors about Pryor switching his #2 to his high school number 11. But most of what I hear is he will keep #2[/quote]
    I don’t think it exactly “came out” since I only made 2 of them–and TP has one of them.[/quote]

    I meant it was discussed on Ohio State and Penn State boards at that time

  • LarryB | February 12, 2009 at 8:01 pm |

    I saw Leatherheads with John Krazinski before I had wathched The Office. I am thinking about getting the seasons on dvd too.

    Since I am working my way through the archives was there much here about the movie Leatherheads?

    I am working my way from new to old and done with August 2008 so far.

    I am just glad the archives are there for us newbies.

  • Nick | February 12, 2009 at 8:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”314727″][quote comment=”314723″][quote comment=”314715″][quote comment=”314714″]If anyone can point me in the right direction of a place or somewhere where I can get a Shane Falco 16 jersey from the movie The Replacements, email me at rr3834a@american.edu. I love reading this blog and I know you guys will have the answer.[/quote]

    http://www.nfl-nba-m...

    Very cool concept!

    Funny though, does this business have a name? Not to suggest anything, but there must be immense licensing issues here. MLB, NFL, NHL, NBA, movie studios, etc.[/quote]

    and if it does, lets all keep it a secret until we’re done ordering from them, k? ;)[/quote]

    #########################

    Thanks for posting this link, I have been looking for these guys for awhile.

    These guys used to sell on EBAY and disappeared about a year ago from it.

    I bought a White 1967 Saints jersey from them, customized with my name and number, perfect striping and dark OLD GOLD numbers. It is a great jersey, though it is mesh with the stripes inserted on seprate material. Perfect 1967 era coloring. Impossible to get era done perfectly.

    I also bought three 1933 Steelers/Pirates throwbacks (worn by Steelers in 1994) with long sleeves and a solid poly material. Great job on the friction strips (also poly) and complicated chest emblem, but they did a horrible job on the rear numbers and NOB, crooked NOB and numbers sewn way too high on back.

    If I would have bought the 1933 Steelers jerseys with no number or name, it would have been perfect.

    I would buy from them again, but I would absolutely quiz them HARD on my order.

  • chance | February 12, 2009 at 9:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”314729″]I saw Leatherheads with John Krazinski before I had wathched The Office. I am thinking about getting the seasons on dvd too.

    Since I am working my way through the archives was there much here about the movie Leatherheads?

    I am working my way from new to old and done with August 2008 so far.

    I am just glad the archives are there for us newbies.[/quote]
    Deeply disappointing. Great idea, fun football action, nice uniforms, really sloppy script.

  • LarryB | February 12, 2009 at 9:44 pm |

    Hey Nick. I meant to ask you if you had any pictures of that Colorado jersey you said you had? The one from 70 years or so ago.

    Sorry to hear the Katrina part though for you.

  • JTH | February 12, 2009 at 9:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”314693″][quote comment=”314688″][quote comment=”314630″][quote comment=”314570″]another note: Indiana does NOT offer plates for any school outside of the state, which I think is a good way to do it.[/quote]
    Same goes for Illinois.

    In the 90s, they considered allowing out-of-state college plates and put out several petitions for them. (I signed the one for IU). I don’t remember exactly which ones were proposed, but I think it was the other 9 Big Ten schools plus some others from neighboring states (Marquette, Notre Dame, Missouri, St. Louis, Kentucky, Louisville, Tennesse, etc.)

    Despite plenty of interest, the state pulled the plug on the idea.[/quote]

    you do realize that your link shows Illinois has a Notre Dame plate which is located in Indiana.[/quote]
    Well, I’ll be damned. No, I didn’t notice that. I guess that one made the cut before they scrapped the initiative. I’m surprised I’ve never seen one of those on the roads.

    – JTH (The T stands for attention To detail)[/quote]
    I thought for sure I would spot a set of the ND plates on the way home tonight, but ’twas not to be.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Anyone who’s a fan of the American version of “The Office” and has not yet seen the BBC version really needs to check it out pronto.

  • Kerry P | February 12, 2009 at 9:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”314731″][quote comment=”314729″]I saw Leatherheads with John Krazinski before I had wathched The Office. I am thinking about getting the seasons on dvd too.

    Since I am working my way through the archives was there much here about the movie Leatherheads?

    I am working my way from new to old and done with August 2008 so far.

    I am just glad the archives are there for us newbies.[/quote]
    Deeply disappointing.

    Great idea, fun football action, nice uniforms, really sloppy script.[/quote]
    I agree. I was looking forward to the movie only to come away pretty disappointed. The aesthetics of the movie were great…but the whole package was lacking.

  • Kerry P | February 12, 2009 at 9:52 pm |

    The LSU women’s basketball team held a press conference to unveil their special uniforms they will be wearing this weekend.

    http://www.lsusports...

  • LI Phil | February 12, 2009 at 10:02 pm |

    [quote]The aesthetics of the movie were great…but the whole package was lacking.[/quote]

    kinda like clooney

  • LarryB | February 12, 2009 at 10:23 pm |

    I didn’t mind the movie Leatherheads at all. Of course I was more anxious to see 1920’s football. Especially the uniforms. My brother and I took our 80 year old mom to see it and she liked it.

    And the trick play at the end was pretty similar to a movie from TCM when they showed old football movies. I forget the exact name right now. But one guy was all hung up on his new satin pants and fancy jersey. But he was part of an act when he pretended to quit and run off the field at the end of the game.
    You can guess what he did in the game though.

    And I have seen some of the Office the British version. They had it on my Time Warner on demand. But when they talk fast is hard to understand what they are saying.

  • MPowers1634 | February 12, 2009 at 10:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”314727″][quote comment=”314723″][quote comment=”314715″][quote comment=”314714″]If anyone can point me in the right direction of a place or somewhere where I can get a Shane Falco 16 jersey from the movie The Replacements, email me at rr3834a@american.edu. I love reading this blog and I know you guys will have the answer.[/quote]

    http://www.nfl-nba-m...

    Very cool concept!

    Funny though, does this business have a name? Not to suggest anything, but there must be immense licensing issues here. MLB, NFL, NHL, NBA, movie studios, etc.[/quote]

    and if it does, lets all keep it a secret until we’re done ordering from them, k? ;)[/quote]

    Fictional Falco is really Ed Ruppert, a Phys Ed teacher and QB coach at the HS where I work!

  • MPowers1634 | February 12, 2009 at 10:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”314678″]Not only have the Indians moved back to Arizona, they have added names to their BP jerseys

    http://photos.clevel...

    Sweet Air Jordan 11 Breds on the bald dude…lets hope they’re not hanging red tape in anyone’s locker

  • Ricko | February 12, 2009 at 10:44 pm |

    As I recall, in ’87 Ruppert through a mess of passes to Anthony Allen, ex-Washington Huskie and L.A. Express wide receiver.

    —Ricko

  • Chuck | February 12, 2009 at 10:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”314708″][quote comment=”314699″]Raiders have apparently unveiled their 50th season logo. http://www.profootba...
    Commitment to Excellence?

    hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha[/quote]
    Well, at least their unis are a Commitment To Excellence! With all of the garish uni changes in the NFL (which, as a Browns fan, has me very nervous), they have kept their classic look.

  • =bg= | February 12, 2009 at 11:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”314741″][quote comment=”314708″][quote comment=”314699″]Raiders have apparently unveiled their 50th season logo. http://www.profootba...
    Commitment to Excellence?

    hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha[/quote]
    Well, at least their unis are a Commitment To Excellence! With all of the garish uni changes in the NFL (which, as a Browns fan, has me very nervous), they have kept their classic look.[/quote]

    Looks like 5 diamonds on that. They’ve just won three SBs, tho. ?

    PS- can’t quite tell those are Reebok umpire shoes…that Vector logo ISN’T QUITE BIG ENOUGH, IS IT?

  • besty | February 12, 2009 at 11:13 pm |

    The Office (American version) is worth buying on DVD because all the deleted scenes and commentaries are as funny and sometimes funnier than what was actually in the episodes which never fail to be funny. Run-on sentence alert.

  • besty | February 12, 2009 at 11:16 pm |

    I don’t know how to do the link stuff but goatriders.org, which is a cubs blog, had a section yesterday with their ideas for a new cubs uniform set.

  • Nick | February 12, 2009 at 11:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”314732″]Hey Nick. I meant to ask you if you had any pictures of that Colorado jersey you said you had? The one from 70 years or so ago.

    Sorry to hear the Katrina part though for you.[/quote]

    Larry,

    Sorry, but I did not get any pictures of the Colorado uniform. However, if you look for any pictures of “Whizzer” White, fmr. Buff RB and later US Supreme Court Justice, he is wearing that same uniform. He I believe was #24, I had #12.

  • LarryB | February 12, 2009 at 11:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”314745″][quote comment=”314732″]Hey Nick. I meant to ask you if you had any pictures of that Colorado jersey you said you had? The one from 70 years or so ago.

    Sorry to hear the Katrina part though for you.[/quote]

    Larry,

    Sorry, but I did not get any pictures of the Colorado uniform. However, if you look for any pictures of “Whizzer” White, fmr. Buff RB and later US Supreme Court Justice, he is wearing that same uniform. He I believe was #24, I had #12.[/quote]

    Nick, I know the era jersey you mean and have seen pictures of Whizzer White.
    Seeing that you got other jerseys like the 33 Pirates makes me think you have or had a nice collection.

  • Stuby | February 12, 2009 at 11:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”314742″][quote comment=”314741″][quote comment=”314708″][quote comment=”314699″]Raiders have apparently unveiled their 50th season logo. http://www.profootba...
    Commitment to Excellence?

    hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha[/quote]
    Well, at least their unis are a Commitment To Excellence! With all of the garish uni changes in the NFL (which, as a Browns fan, has me very nervous), they have kept their classic look.[/quote]

    Looks like 5 diamonds on that. They’ve just won three SBs, tho. ?

    PS- can’t quite tell those are Reebok umpire shoes…that Vector logo ISN’T QUITE BIG ENOUGH, IS IT?[/quote]
    Probably one each for their AFL Championship (lost SB II) and AFC Championship (lost SB XXXVII)

  • Teebz | February 12, 2009 at 11:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”314738″][quote comment=”314727″][quote comment=”314723″][quote comment=”314715″][quote comment=”314714″]If anyone can point me in the right direction of a place or somewhere where I can get a Shane Falco 16 jersey from the movie The Replacements, email me at rr3834a@american.edu. I love reading this blog and I know you guys will have the answer.[/quote]

    http://www.nfl-nba-m...

    Very cool concept!

    Funny though, does this business have a name? Not to suggest anything, but there must be immense licensing issues here. MLB, NFL, NHL, NBA, movie studios, etc.[/quote]

    and if it does, lets all keep it a secret until we’re done ordering from them, k? ;)[/quote]

    Fictional Falco is really Ed Ruppert, a Phys Ed teacher and QB coach at the HS where I work![/quote]

    Not to worry anyone about this store, but why is their contact email “reebokstore@hotmail.com”?

    Are they affiliated with Reebok in some way?

  • JTH | February 13, 2009 at 12:09 am |

    I should have said this about 12 hours ago: Tim Brulia — nice work on the football uniform descriptions.

  • Lwiedy | February 13, 2009 at 12:40 am |

    [quote comment=”314727″][quote comment=”314723″][quote comment=”314715″][quote comment=”314714″]If anyone can point me in the right direction of a place or somewhere where I can get a Shane Falco 16 jersey from the movie The Replacements, email me at rr3834a@american.edu. I love reading this blog and I know you guys will have the answer.[/quote]

    http://www.nfl-nba-m...

    Very cool concept!

    Funny though, does this business have a name? Not to suggest anything, but there must be immense licensing issues here. MLB, NFL, NHL, NBA, movie studios, etc.[/quote]

    and if it does, lets all keep it a secret until we’re done ordering from them, k? ;)[/quote]

    Oh, of course. I could care less what they do or how they do it. I just know there are those that do. If they’ve been at it a while, I’m sure it’s fine.

  • Jordan Pope | February 13, 2009 at 12:42 am |
  • Lwiedy | February 13, 2009 at 12:51 am |

    [quote comment=”314740″]As I recall, in ’87 Ruppert through a mess of passes to Anthony Allen, ex-Washington Huskie and L.A. Express wide receiver.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    You are correct, sir. 255 yards vs. Cardinals in the first replacement game. It is the standing team record for yards in a game.

    Ruppert would probably be the best story of that group had it not been for HIS replacement. He won his two starts and was replaced (due to injury) in the third at Dallas by Tony Robinson. Robinson was granted permission to leave prison to join the team. Made some plays to beat Tony Dorsett, Danny & Randy White on Oct. 19, 1987, aka “Black Monday”. Was immediately returned to prison when the regulars took over.

    Forgive me if everybody knows this because it is in the movie, but I’ve never seen it. Can’t take anymore than five minutes of Keanu Reeves.

    Matt, tell Mr. Ruppert that this ‘Skins fan will always be a fan of old #16.

  • Nick | February 13, 2009 at 1:40 am |

    [quote comment=”314746″][quote comment=”314745″][quote comment=”314732″]Hey Nick. I meant to ask you if you had any pictures of that Colorado jersey you said you had? The one from 70 years or so ago.

    Sorry to hear the Katrina part though for you.[/quote]

    Larry,

    Sorry, but I did not get any pictures of the Colorado uniform. However, if you look for any pictures of “Whizzer” White, fmr. Buff RB and later US Supreme Court Justice, he is wearing that same uniform. He I believe was #24, I had #12.[/quote]

    Nick, I know the era jersey you mean and have seen pictures of Whizzer White.
    Seeing that you got other jerseys like the 33 Pirates makes me think you have or had a nice collection.[/quote]

    #########################################

    Larry,

    I did not lose many of my jerseys in Katrina, but I did lose about 8-10 of the best of my collection which I kept at home. They simply were washed away by the flood waters.

    I never owned a reak friction strip jersey, though I have come close. Most of my collection were kept in a storage facility above the flood, but they are pretty much 1950s – 1970s durene jerseys as well as more modern stuff.

    I was actually able to save a few things that were totally flooded but located in the mess, such as a couple of 1994 Steelers Throwbacks with the printed friction strips and chest patches – they survived with miinor staining and are wearable.

    Notable losses were the Colorada #12 uni and a Silver wool jersey with Orange and Black numerals and stripes that was sold to me on EBAY as an early MARSHALL THUNDERING HERD jersey. I never did the research on it, but find it hard to believe that Marshall wore those colors.

    Some of the stuff that I did save were severely stained by the rusting from metal hangers. Those on plastic hangers were not stained. Additionally, the more modern polyester pieces held on to the STINK from the flood water for a long time – requiring many washings, whereas the cotton and wool items were able to be de-funkified with less washings. I would have thought the opposite to be true.

    However, nothing from Katrina ever stunk was bad as the early 2000s Hula Bowl jersey I bought from Collegejersey.com. Apparently they got the jerseys from the players immediately after the Hula Bowl and never washed them. After the jersey moldered unwashed in their collection for 1-2 years, I bought it. The jersey, a rare size 54 with skill sleeves, stunk like 17 prison chain gangs. I literally soaked it in Palmolive soapy water for two days after wadshing it in a machine 10 times, and despite the soapy water turning green from the jersey color after two days, the jersey still stunk with the funk !!! They did exchange it for another, and that was that.

  • MPowers1634 | February 13, 2009 at 2:21 am |

    [quote comment=”314752″][quote comment=”314740″]As I recall, in ’87 Ruppert through a mess of passes to Anthony Allen, ex-Washington Huskie and L.A. Express wide receiver.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    You are correct, sir. 255 yards vs. Cardinals in the first replacement game. It is the standing team record for yards in a game.

    Ruppert would probably be the best story of that group had it not been for HIS replacement. He won his two starts and was replaced (due to injury) in the third at Dallas by Tony Robinson. Robinson was granted permission to leave prison to join the team. Made some plays to beat Tony Dorsett, Danny & Randy White on Oct. 19, 1987, aka “Black Monday”. Was immediately returned to prison when the regulars took over.

    Forgive me if everybody knows this because it is in the movie, but I’ve never seen it. Can’t take anymore than five minutes of Keanu Reeves.

    Matt, tell Mr. Ruppert that this ‘Skins fan will always be a fan of old #16.[/quote]

    Will do!

  • Peter | February 13, 2009 at 3:53 am |

    Looks like that phil simms autograph is a fake. Or non-official at best.

    see here
    http://www.sportsmem...

    and compare here
    http://farm4.static....

  • chance | February 13, 2009 at 2:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”314589″][quote comment=”314582″][quote comment=”314572″]If I remember right – all Broncos games were color-on-color in 1960-61, they wore mustard tops/brown pants, both home and away – they were second hand.[/quote]
    This tidbit gets passed around a lot, even from people who worked in the Broncos organization at the time, but I’m pretty sure there is clear evidence that the team actually had a white road jersey counterpart to their home-style mustards.[/quote]

    i agree

    ricko or timmy b. could prolly confirm for sure though

    mike stanhope’s page has some compelling visual evidence (although the site also claims they have the orange lid with brown bronco, which ricko swears is actually blue, not brown)…

    in addition, there is this…again, just because it’s pictured doesn’t mean it to be true, but i am fairly certain the broncos did have white jerseys as well

    perhaps denver gregg would know?

    anyone?[/quote]
    There’s a color photo of their white uniform at Helmet Hut. Still no proof they wore it in a game, but at least we know they had them.

  • chance | February 13, 2009 at 2:15 pm |

    Never mind, Stanhope’s page conclusively proves that they wore them in a game, the first ever AFL game.