There’s a superb article here on the history of Super Bowl logos. But here’s something the artile doesn’t address: Why would you design a Super Bowl logo with so much green in it when there are only three NFL teams with green in their uniform sets (okay, four if you count the Seahawks’ neon-snot trim)? Practically guarantees that the Super Bowl logo patch will clash with the Super Sunday jerseys.
New ESPN column today), with an unusual topic. I think you’ll all find this one pretty interesting.
“Help Wanted” wanted: The economy’s in the toilet and nobody’s hiring, so Johnny Ek and I thought this would be a great time — really great! — to start a job-listings section. We were gonna call it Craigslist, but it turns out that name is already taken, so instead we’re gonna call it the Uni Watch Classifieds.
In short: If you work in the sports industry and have a job opening, you can post a classified listing with us; if you don’t work in the sports biz but are looking to break in there, you can post a “Desperate for Work” “Talented Individual Available” ad. The listings will also be good for freelance graphic designers, people offering DIY services, and so on. Ads would cost something like $30-ish per week.
Or at least that’s the idea. But first we want to gauge how much interest there’d be in something like this. Does this sound like something you might partake in? If so, let me know.
And so reasonably priced!: Friday night at Sound Fix is shaping up as an epic evening of free entertainment. First, at 8pm-ish, the very wonderful Lianne Smith and Greg Peterson will play a short set. Then, around 9pm, Liz Clayton and I will do our thing (I’m planning to debut some new material, but it’s all new to you since you haven’t seen us perform yet). This will be followed at 10pm by beatnik DJ extraordinaire Phast Phreddie and his monthly Wang Dang Doodle record hop, and then the mighty Susquehanna Industrial Tool & Die Co. will take the stage at 11pm. I feel pretty confident in saying this is easily the best thing happening in NYC on Friday night. You know what to do.
Uni Watch News Ticker: The color blocking on volleyball courts may be changing (thanks, Jeremy). ”¦ Did you know Ottis Anderson was wearing oversized practice pads — and was fined for it — throughout the Giants’ 1991 postseason run? Full details here (thanks, Ek). ”¦ Patrick Mackin sent along two great pics from this Cleveland Browns book. First up is this shot of Dante Lavelli running against the old Buffalo Bills of the AAFC, circa mid-1940s. Look at that primitive facemask at lower-left! Then there’s this shot ffom the Browns/L.A. Dons’ Thanksgiving Day game at the Los Angeles Coliseum in 1948. Watch out for that goalpost! “The sea of empty seats in the background shows that the game wasn’t the hottest ticket in town that day,” notes Patrick. ”¦ Speaking of the Browns, here are some really tremendous shots of the Brownies playing basketball (big thanks to Scott Sargent). ”¦ Further info — and a better photo — of that high school goalie with the net-patterned pads here (with thanks to Mark Castator). ”¦ You probably know that Vida Blue wore a “Vida” NOB during his time with the Giants. But you might not know that this NOB has been immortalized on his Giants Hall of Fame plaque (with thanks to Andy Chalifour). ”¦ Yesterday I linked to this 1980s catalog page. This led to shouts of recognition from many readers, who informed me that the little figurines were called Huddles. There are tons of them available on eBay, with many teams represented, including the Giants, Bears, Cowboys, Steelers, Bucs (in orange!), Vikes, Bengals, Pats, Fish, Browns, and rather un-PC entries for the Chiefs and ’Skins. The NFL even made a Huddles patch (all of the preceding links courtesy of Jeremy Brahm). ”¦ Dixie State has a new mascot and nickname (with thanks to Brett Crane). ”¦ Lots of very cool old-school soccer tees available here (nice find by Stanislaw Olechowski). ”¦ A Pittsburgh source tells me the following about the Pirates’ bumblebee set: “Grant Jackson told me a few years ago that the day-to-day Pirates’ color combos in the ’70s were decided upon by a secretary to GM Harding Peterson. No kidding.” ”¦ Here’s something I hadn’t seen before: a Cardinals spring training 40th-anniversary patch (with thanks to Dan Sliwinski). ”¦ Life as we know it is nearing an end (blame Rich Meneghello). ”¦ Brian Bennett sent along a bunch of tremendous early Rochester baseball photos, circa 1909 through 1929. I’ve organized them into this slideshow. ”¦ Cool gallery of FIFA World Cup host city posters here (with thanks to Jeremy Brahm, who also sent along this awesome photo of Ossie Schectman, who scored the first basket in NBA history). ”¦ Very odd TNOB positioning for Airport High School in West Columbia, South Carolina (with thanks to Michael Orr). ”¦ Lots to like in this old basketball photo (big thanks to Tim Walker). ”¦ Hadyn Green uploaded a bunch of old Olympics photos, including the 1920 U.S. rugby team (still the reigning Olympic champions), the 1912 British women’s swimming team, a Japanese hockey goalie from 1936, and a 1900 hose-down.
Love the picture of Ozzie Schectman, and I’m really interested in what team he played for in the picture(what does samech, pey, chet, alef stand for?)I also know that it is post-Victorian but were those Brit swimmers really allowed to smuggle raisins like that in 1912?
Funny thing–in the ticker, when you read over the hyperlink “Giant’s Hall of Fame Plaque” the underline makes “plaque” look like “plague”.
Double take of the morning!
Non-Uni, but at least designy.
Kentucky and Ole Miss went color (blue) on color (red) last night.
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I hope everyone east (of Indiana) is ready for some snow! I’m in Terre Haute (Far West-Central IN) and we are under about 13″ we usually only get 3-4 inches.
Green clashes with neither yellow nor red.
Sweet bird of flight, minus the neon snot trim. Warning Huddles:
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that shot of Dante Lavelli running against the team from Buffalo is against the Buffalo BISONS not the Bills as noted…Incidentally the Bills weren’t even established until 1960…
One of UniWatch sponsers, Distant Replays, even has a Buffalo Bisons throwback jersey for sale!!!
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What is the the 1912 British women’s swimming team wearing? Are we seeing the old-fashioned swimsuits that are sort of see-through (very risque), with some undergarment worn as well? Or were they wearing bikinis (which I thought had not yet been invented) with some kind of overgarment?
I’m looking at this preview of the Coke Zero Super Bowl commercial:
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Freeze it at the 0:27 mark. It’s looks like they are using an older-style Steelers jersey with the block numbers, not the current jersey that Troy Polamalu would wear. Also, you never see the Steelers logo on the helmet he is holding.
different primitive face mask center left side
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They guy tackling the goal post is priceless!!!
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Glad you appreciated those Browns/Basketball pictures. That one of Cowher is priceless.
Keep up the solid work!
Picking up from yesterday (sorry):
[quote comment=”312160″][quote comment=”312135″]I dunno who Utah’s kiddin’. They’ve been wearing flat out red (and calling it crimson) as long as I can remember. And that goes back to Lee Grosscup, for pete’s sake.
And, in 50+ years of following college football I have yet to see anything (helmet, jersey, pant, number or trim color) cream on an Oklahoma football uniform.
Indiana technically wears “cream”, too, I think. And put for that one strange set of unis while Sam Wyche was coaching them…[/quote]
Agreed on all fronts. The school addresses the colors below…I have also never understood how University of Oklahoma translates to OU.
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Cheers[/quote]
Maybe the “OU” means “Our University”? I’ve heard the “N” on Nebraska’s helmets stands for kNowledge? ;)
I goofed up on the above link for the Buffalo Bisons jersey…here is the correct link:
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[quote comment=”312194″]I’ve heard the “N” on Nebraska’s helmets stands for kNowledge? ;)[/quote]
That one stopped be humorous when I heard for the millionth time . . . in 1972.
The odd thing about that Polamalu/Coke commercial is the tunnel he is walking through. It’s not a tunnel to the locker room, it’s actually a ramp at Heinz Field that goes from the concourse level (The “Great Hall” if you will) to the lower bowl of seating.
They even have fans on the two stairways which take fans to the top of the first level. If Troy happened to be walking through the concourse ramp and there were fans standing all around, don’t you think they’d all rush over and mug him?
Ah, now I’ll be bothered when I see this Sunday.
I think the patches look good on both jerseys. I like the smallish size, too.
Also noteworthy in the Dante Lavelli-Bisons pic is the 3D trim on the Browns’ numerals.
the sheer british swiming team may be NSFW
I’m with Robert up above … what’s going on with those Brits’ swimming uniforms?
A) You can see their panties quite easily … it’s like the material for the suit was mesh or sheer silk (maybe the precursor to the LZR)? Did no one notice that that day?
B) They’re apparently covering their bosoms because the unis are so sheer (and/or because it’s early 1900’s and women weren’t allowed to be in public dressed like that).
Surely there’s a story behind that kind of apparel … is there a UW reader that’s now, say, 100 … and British? Ha.
Does anybody actually have any pictures of that Sam Wyche era Indiana football uniform? I’ve heard a lot about them but never actually seen them.
They were the Bisons in 1946. They were the Bills in 1947, 1948 and 1949.
Great stuff, Patrick! Note the Browns had that drop thing going for ’46!
make note of the “vision” of the Huddles program: the stars on the NFL logo on the football. Back then – 3 divisions in each conference represented on each side of the ball. It took 2 new commissioners and about 25 years to engage the same idea to best represent the league on it\’s official logo. Brilliant (perhaps by accident) but brilliant.
Gotta agree with Mad Dog (#5) above, at least as far as the Cards’ unis. I think the patch, green and all, looks pretty decent with the red jersey.
Paul, which 3 NFL teams are you talking about? I’ve got Eagles, Jets, Packers, Jags, and Dolphins, and those snot-trimmed Seahawks. Granted, they’re various shades of green – I’m just curious which ones you’re leaving out. I’m really not trying to be a dick
[quote comment=”312197″]The odd thing about that Polamalu/Coke commercial is the tunnel he is walking through. It’s not a tunnel to the locker room, it’s actually a ramp at Heinz Field that goes from the concourse level (The “Great Hall” if you will) to the lower bowl of seating.
They even have fans on the two stairways which take fans to the top of the first level. If Troy happened to be walking through the concourse ramp and there were fans standing all around, don’t you think they’d all rush over and mug him?
Ah, now I’ll be bothered when I see this Sunday.[/quote]
That’s why he’s limping, cuz he was just assaulted by the fans, after jumping in the stands Lambeau leap style. Then, security jumped in, shaked ’em off, and Troy was like; “screw you guys, you just f’ed up my leg!” The fans were like; “screw you Polamalu, you’re hurt now and can’t help us anyway.” Low and Behold, the lone kid who’s still a true fan, helps Troy out with a Coke Zero, while limping alone back to the locker room. sniffle sniffle
[quote comment=”312207″][quote comment=”312197″]The odd thing about that Polamalu/Coke commercial is the tunnel he is walking through. It’s not a tunnel to the locker room, it’s actually a ramp at Heinz Field that goes from the concourse level (The “Great Hall” if you will) to the lower bowl of seating.
They even have fans on the two stairways which take fans to the top of the first level. If Troy happened to be walking through the concourse ramp and there were fans standing all around, don’t you think they’d all rush over and mug him?
Ah, now I’ll be bothered when I see this Sunday.[/quote]
That’s why he’s limping, cuz he was just assaulted by the fans, after jumping in the stands Lambeau leap style. Then, security jumped in, shaked ’em off, and Troy was like; “screw you guys, you just f’ed up my leg!” The fans were like; “screw you Polamalu, you’re hurt now and can’t help us anyway.” Low and Behold, the lone kid who’s still a true fan, helps Troy out with a Coke Zero, while limping alone back to the locker room. sniffle sniffle[/quote]
I like the speculation I read on another site as to what the “twist” will be: instead of throwing the kid the jersey, Troy takes off his hair and throws the wig.
[quote comment=”312190″]I’m looking at this preview of the Coke Zero Super Bowl commercial:
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Freeze it at the 0:27 mark. It’s looks like they are using an older-style Steelers jersey with the block numbers, not the current jersey that Troy Polamalu would wear. Also, you never see the Steelers logo on the helmet he is holding.[/quote]
There’s a twist at the end, maybe he suits up as id he was the safety on Mean Joe’s Steelers team
Spoiler alert!!! That has to be it, a wig. Brilliant!
timmy b: you are correct sir…mea culpa…
I know it’s a day late but I was traveling yesterday…
From 1/28/09- “Brad Eckensberger wore a Braves jersey with a vertically arched NOB. Am I the only one who thinks the nameplate fabric is flaring out too far at the ends?”
Back in the day when I worked at the sportswear shop we did a ton of Braves jerseys for some reason. We did both styles of nameplates…flaring and a vertical cut to match the letters, so that style is not unheard of. We would just match a sample that was brought in with the order, or do some research as to what style they were currently wearing.
My main concern with that image is that the nameplate appears to be white tackle twill, and not double knit poly.
The tackler in the lower right of the Dante Lavelli pic looks vaguely familiar . . . link
Was that the L.A. Dons or the Los Angeles Express??
Good feature on USA today link – one valid complaint is that there are just too many teams in black, to my count 12 have them as either their primary or alternates.
In regard to green being in so many Super Bowl logos, while only being in a few NFL unis ->
Green is however the backdrop color to all games, except off course games played in snow, and ones played at Boise St. Is that one of the subtle reasons why NHL unis – tend to be best in class – their back drop color is off-white, which tends to make the color of the unis stand out more?
The Cardinals spring training patch mentioned in the ticker is not a 40-year anniversary patch… it recognizes 50 years of spring training in St. Petersburg, Florida. The team wore that during the spring of 1988. The Cards also wore spring patches in 1997 (farewell season in St. Pete) and 1998 (first season in Jupiter).
[quote comment=”312191″]different primitive face mask center left side
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Back then, “facemasks” were in fact called “noseguards” and were usually worn only by players who’d had a broken nose.
Brian Bennett,
Excellent photos of Rochester baseball! I really wish the Red Wings would do some sort of throwback to those. I know they do the Negro League throwbacks once a year. How did you obtain these photos and do you have any more? I’m quite interested.
[quote comment=”312208″][quote comment=”312207″][quote comment=”312197″]The odd thing about that Polamalu/Coke commercial is the tunnel he is walking through. It’s not a tunnel to the locker room, it’s actually a ramp at Heinz Field that goes from the concourse level (The “Great Hall” if you will) to the lower bowl of seating.
They even have fans on the two stairways which take fans to the top of the first level. If Troy happened to be walking through the concourse ramp and there were fans standing all around, don’t you think they’d all rush over and mug him?
Ah, now I’ll be bothered when I see this Sunday.[/quote]
That’s why he’s limping, cuz he was just assaulted by the fans, after jumping in the stands Lambeau leap style. Then, security jumped in, shaked ’em off, and Troy was like; “screw you guys, you just f’ed up my leg!” The fans were like; “screw you Polamalu, you’re hurt now and can’t help us anyway.” Low and Behold, the lone kid who’s still a true fan, helps Troy out with a Coke Zero, while limping alone back to the locker room. sniffle sniffle[/quote]
I like the speculation I read on another site as to what the “twist” will be: instead of throwing the kid the jersey, Troy takes off his hair and throws the wig.[/quote]
The Twins did something similar to this in a commercial last summer. Not even sure it was a Coke add, but at the end Joe Mauer takes off his side burns and gives them to a kid.
Ole Miss and Kentucky provided a great example of color on color last night in Oxford. Kentucky, or course, wore their classic blues on the road and Ole Miss broke out their little used red alternates. Can someone email Paul and let him know. The teams looked great and it was a big win for Ole Miss. I would love to see it linked on UW.
Super Bowl logos are designed to reflect the location of the game, especially in the past decade or more. Look at Houston a few years ago, for example. Combination of old west font and NASA-graphics. San Diego’s had a lighthouse. Miami a neon sign evocative of South Beach.
The fact that they often clash with unis isn’t bad, I guess. They are representative of city or or locale, and shouldn’t appear to “favor” one team or the other. Besides, that way they show up better on the jersey, and isn’t that what the NFL REALLY wants. LOL.
Love the Browns player vs. the Dons having a little trouble negotiating the goal post. Ah, the good old days when, if you worked it right, the goal post on the goal line could be an extra blocker.
—Ricko
[quote comment=”312220″]Ole Miss and Kentucky provided a great example of color on color last night in Oxford. Kentucky, or course, wore their classic blues on the road and Ole Miss broke out their little used red alternates. Can someone email Paul and let him know. The teams looked great and it was a big win for Ole Miss. I would love to see it linked on UW.[/quote]
see post #3
OMG that Chiefs Doll is horrendous!!! Makes me embarrased to even be a fan. I see why the Native Americans wanted to go after mascots and names.
Actually green is a COMPLEMENTARY color for red.
Plus, every team plays on a grass-green colored field (whether it’s real grass or not) and no one complains that it clashes with the uniforms (unless you are from Boise).
I’ll agree that a green patch might look terrible on the Ravens, and it does look kind of bad on the Steelers, but it looks perfectly OK on the Cards unis.
[quote comment=”312218″]Brian Bennett,
Excellent photos of Rochester baseball! I really wish the Red Wings would do some sort of throwback to those. I know they do the Negro League throwbacks once a year. How did you obtain these photos and do you have any more? I’m quite interested.[/quote]
Photos are part of the Albert Stone collection. Stone was a local newspaper photographer and his collection of negatives was saved and scanned by the main Rochester library. Go to link; for the page which allows you to search the “Rochester Images” section of the Monroe County Library website. Search of “Albert Stone + baseball” yields 400 results.
I don’t think this has been posted yet: link
Interesting article on the superbowl logo and some alternate versions graphic designers created.
[quote comment=”312224″]Actually green is a COMPLEMENTARY color for red.[/quote]
Santa Claus, is that you?
I wondered what Schechtman’s jersey said. Any nice Jewish boy (or girl) could tell you that it’s samech, pey, hey, alef. What does this mean? It’s actually a Hebrew transliteration of the English acronym South Philadelphia Hebrew Association.
NEWS YOU CAN USE! (or something)
[quote comment=”312227″][quote comment=”312224″]Actually green is a COMPLEMENTARY color for red.[/quote]
Santa Claus, is that you?[/quote]
I KNOW him!!!!!
[quote comment=”312190″]I’m looking at this preview of the Coke Zero Super Bowl commercial:
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Freeze it at the 0:27 mark. It’s looks like they are using an older-style Steelers jersey with the block numbers, not the current jersey that Troy Polamalu would wear. Also, you never see the Steelers logo on the helmet he is holding.[/quote]
Wrong shoulder stripes too, I think. The Steelers don’t have such thick black lines.
[quote comment=”312226″]I don’t think this has been posted yet: link
Interesting article on the superbowl logo and some alternate versions graphic designers created.[/quote]
LOL! I have heard of skimming the main entry to read the ticker but that link is in the first effin’ sentence of the post!
I’m going to side with Ricko on the SB patch thing. The tone of the first paragraph tends to sound as if patches should be designed to match the colors of a given uni set and I don’t necessarily agree with that. It’s the logo for the event.
Look at the photos from the meetup yesterday. The one attendee had on a PSU jersey with an Orange Bowl patch, no orange doesn’t match blue and white but by that logic only Syracuse, Tennesse and Texas (sort of) would “look good” in a jersey with the orange bowl patch on. Red roses “don’t match” with say, the Michigan maize and blue but it still looks great when they’re in the Rose Bowl.
I think the SB43 logo is quite sharp. Small and understated on the jersey, but enough of a statement that it’s set off so that if you saw photos, you’d recognize it. I think the blue and green play well off each other and it’s not one of those Roman numerals that looks too bulky, like say, a 38.
Note the LA Dons wearing all-white at home. Further proof that that look has a long tradition.
[quote comment=”312186″]Green clashes with neither yellow nor red.[/quote]
I’d go a little farther. It only clashes with orange and the devil’s own color of teal. That means this logo would look truly bad on past SB participants Broncos (except the new white jersey which has negligible orange), Bears, Dolphins and Bengals or on Jacksonvillage.
I think that the NFL should modify future Super Bowl patches to match the colors of the teams that are in it. The MLB does it when it somes to the MLB logo so why not?
[quote comment=”312222″][quote comment=”312220″]Ole Miss and Kentucky provided a great example of color on color last night in Oxford. Kentucky, or course, wore their classic blues on the road and Ole Miss broke out their little used red alternates. Can someone email Paul and let him know. The teams looked great and it was a big win for Ole Miss. I would love to see it linked on UW.[/quote]
I watched that game and really liked the uni matchups, really cool. Not too sure I like the blue nikes though.
see post #3[/quote]
Maybe I’m an idiot, but I don’t see what’s different about OJ Anderson’s pants pads. I looked through the photo gallery and it seems like he always wore big pads. What am I missing?
If you go on ESPN.com right now, you’ll see a picture prompting you to “chat all day” regarding the Super Bowl…only the NFL logo in the background is an older version.
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This link gets you to a photo gallery that SI did a couple of years ago…pretty cool
Enjoy sound fix on Friday because it is closing :(
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[quote comment=”312229″][quote comment=”312227″][quote comment=”312224″]Actually green is a COMPLEMENTARY color for red.[/quote]
Santa Claus, is that you?[/quote]
I KNOW him!!!!![/quote]
That patch smells like beef and cheese. Paul, don’t tell him what you want.
Here’s one from the past – Bob Griese link
[quote comment=\”312223\”]OMG that Chiefs Doll is horrendous!!! Makes me embarrased to even be a fan. I see why the Native Americans wanted to go after mascots and names.[/quote]
Once had an argument with my brother about the ‘Skins’ use of the logo and why it was offensive. Told him try to understand how Native Americans see it. We were driving through Arizona and stopped at a roadside stand. Old Native American woman running the stand greets us, gets up, turns around, and there’s a big Redskins’ logo on the back of her burgundy windbreaker. We just looked at each other and shook our heads, me as if to say, “Never mind, bro!”
[quote comment=”312238″]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/0611/gallery.best.dressed.teams/content.1.html?cnn=yes
This link gets you to a photo gallery that SI did a couple of years ago…pretty cool[/quote]
The Lions current black-outlined version does not belong on this list – I’d include the Detroit Tigers home (not road) instead…
[quote comment=”312206″]Paul, which 3 NFL teams are you talking about? I’ve got Eagles, Jets, Packers, Jags, and Dolphins, and those snot-trimmed Seahawks. Granted, they’re various shades of green – I’m just curious which ones you’re leaving out. I’m really not trying to be a dick[/quote]
I am sure he’s not counting the Jaguars or the Dolphins. I came here because I had the Packers and the Jets and couldn’t think of the Eagles. So thanks for helping me out with that.
Come to think of it Packers an even more glaring omission…
These official colors appear to be green, red, and gold.
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“Why would you design a Super Bowl logo with so much green in it when there are only three NFL teams with green in their uniform sets (okay, four if you count the Seahawks’ neon-snot trim)? Practically guarantees that the Super Bowl logo patch will clash with the Super Sunday jerseys.”
Really? The football field is green, doesn’t seem to make any game look bad because of it. I’ve seen some petty things on here, but this one is on a whole other level.
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From Shorpy, wasn’t sure if these had made the rounds yet.
[quote comment=”312237″]If you go on ESPN.com right now, you’ll see a picture prompting you to “chat all day” regarding the Super Bowl…only the NFL logo in the background is an older version.
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Yea, it really should be more like this?
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Oh, and also a girl’s rifle team.
I am sad to announce that you can go ahead and add the Virginia Tech student body to the ‘Black For Blacks Sake’ (aka BFBS) list. Tomorrow night against Clemson, we are having a ‘Blackout’ game, where everyone in attendance is to wear a black shirt. Game will be on ESPN2HD
No word on if the team will follow suit. However, if they did, it wouldn’t be the first time. (Game at Pitt in 2003… sorry, can’t find a picture of it)
[quote comment=”312231″][quote comment=”312226″]I don’t think this has been posted yet: link
Interesting article on the superbowl logo and some alternate versions graphic designers created.[/quote]
LOL! I have heard of skimming the main entry to read the ticker but that link is in the first effin’ sentence of the post!
I’m going to side with Ricko on the SB patch thing. The tone of the first paragraph tends to sound as if patches should be designed to match the colors of a given uni set and I don’t necessarily agree with that. It’s the logo for the event.
Look at the photos from the meetup yesterday. The one attendee had on a PSU jersey with an Orange Bowl patch, no orange doesn’t match blue and white but by that logic only Syracuse, Tennesse and Texas (sort of) would “look good” in a jersey with the orange bowl patch on. Red roses “don’t match” with say, the Michigan maize and blue but it still looks great when they’re in the Rose Bowl.
I think the SB43 logo is quite sharp. Small and understated on the jersey, but enough of a statement that it’s set off so that if you saw photos, you’d recognize it. I think the blue and green play well off each other and it’s not one of those Roman numerals that looks too bulky, like say, a 38.[/quote]
I don’t mind if the logo clashes with the unis of the participants…but for pete’s sake, come up with something that has a little character. The NFL’s direction with the logos since Super Bowl XL in Detroit is horrible. I don’t care if the logos use the same font each year. I don’t care if they have a blue and red star to represent the 2 conferences. I much rather the logos that gave a representaion of where the game was being played.
[quote comment=”312234″]I think that the NFL should modify future Super Bowl patches to match the colors of the teams that are in it. The MLB does it when it somes to the MLB logo so why not?[/quote]
There are three basic components in a Super Bowl that people remember…
One team.
The other team.
The neutral location where it was played.
The uniforms identify the teams.
The patch signifies and commemorates the site.
(I mean, that certainly seems to have become the purpose more times than not recently, and it seems to be sound practice, as far I’m concerned).
Over the past 20 years or so, are very much location-oriented.
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World Series is played home parks of the teams involved. No need to have anything visual making reference to the site. They’re a given. If you know the teams, you know where.
—Ricko
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[quote comment=”312231″][quote comment=”312226″]I don’t think this has been posted yet: link
Interesting article on the superbowl logo and some alternate versions graphic designers created.[/quote]
LOL! I have heard of skimming the main entry to read the ticker but that link is in the first effin’ sentence of the post!
I’m going to side with Ricko on the SB patch thing. The tone of the first paragraph tends to sound as if patches should be designed to match the colors of a given uni set and I don’t necessarily agree with that. It’s the logo for the event.
Look at the photos from the meetup yesterday. The one attendee had on a PSU jersey with an Orange Bowl patch, no orange doesn’t match blue and white but by that logic only Syracuse, Tennesse and Texas (sort of) would “look good” in a jersey with the orange bowl patch on. Red roses “don’t match” with say, the Michigan maize and blue but it still looks great when they’re in the Rose Bowl.
I think the SB43 logo is quite sharp. Small and understated on the jersey, but enough of a statement that it’s set off so that if you saw photos, you’d recognize it. I think the blue and green play well off each other and it’s not one of those Roman numerals that looks too bulky, like say, a 38.[/quote]
Ouch, I did a search for NY Times on the page and nothing came up so I assumed no one had posted it, I hang my head in shame…
To my defense I found it off of a design website (one of the people that had created an alternate design), thats the only thing I looked at, didn’t have a chance to read the article…
[quote comment=”312255″][quote comment=”312231″][quote comment=”312226″]I don’t think this has been posted yet: link
Interesting article on the superbowl logo and some alternate versions graphic designers created.[/quote]
LOL! I have heard of skimming the main entry to read the ticker but that link is in the first effin’ sentence of the post!
I’m going to side with Ricko on the SB patch thing. The tone of the first paragraph tends to sound as if patches should be designed to match the colors of a given uni set and I don’t necessarily agree with that. It’s the logo for the event.
Look at the photos from the meetup yesterday. The one attendee had on a PSU jersey with an Orange Bowl patch, no orange doesn’t match blue and white but by that logic only Syracuse, Tennesse and Texas (sort of) would “look good” in a jersey with the orange bowl patch on. Red roses “don’t match” with say, the Michigan maize and blue but it still looks great when they’re in the Rose Bowl.
I think the SB43 logo is quite sharp. Small and understated on the jersey, but enough of a statement that it’s set off so that if you saw photos, you’d recognize it. I think the blue and green play well off each other and it’s not one of those Roman numerals that looks too bulky, like say, a 38.[/quote]
Ouch, I did a search for NY Times on the page and nothing came up so I assumed no one had posted it, I hang my head in shame…
To my defense I found it off of a design website (one of the people that had created an alternate design), thats the only thing I looked at, didn’t have a chance to read the article…[/quote]
No biggie Doug, I wrote LOL so you know I was just messin’ and not being a jerk about it.
It’s a good story, i came across it during my daily news search and I knew it would be on UW.
As noted , the Hebrew acronym on Ossie Schechtman’s jersey stands for the South Philadelphia Hebrew Association, which sponsored the legendary Philadelphia Shpas basketball club during the pre-NBA era. As an interesting historical note, the Shpas organization still operates today under as – get this – the Washington Generals!!!
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[quote comment=”312250″]http://www.shorpy.com/node/5392?size=_original
Oh, and also a girl’s rifle team.[/quote]
the lady on the far right(furcoat) scares me. I think she might have sombody in my for target parctice.
[quote comment=”312242″][quote comment=\”312223\”]OMG that Chiefs Doll is horrendous!!! Makes me embarrased to even be a fan. I see why the Native Americans wanted to go after mascots and names.[/quote]
Once had an argument with my brother about the ‘Skins’ use of the logo and why it was offensive. Told him try to understand how Native Americans see it. We were driving through Arizona and stopped at a roadside stand. Old Native American woman running the stand greets us, gets up, turns around, and there’s a big Redskins’ logo on the back of her burgundy windbreaker. We just looked at each other and shook our heads, me as if to say, “Never mind, bro!”[/quote]
I ran a charity raffle for work and we pulled a pair of Redskins tickets from the raffle prizes because someone overheard a native american employee say that she “would HATE it if she won that prize”. Later we found out she said that because she is a COWBOYS fan…sigh.
[quote comment=”312245″]Come to think of it Packers an even more glaring omission…[/quote]
TO MUCH GREEN is not a good thing
[quote comment=”312249″][quote comment=”312237″]If you go on ESPN.com right now, you’ll see a picture prompting you to “chat all day” regarding the Super Bowl…only the NFL logo in the background is an older version.
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Yea, it really should be more like this?
link
yep.
i must say, i’m proud of myself for catching this haha.
Sorry for tooting my own horn, but link.
Anyways, carry on with your Uni banter.
Awesome: according to the wiki link, the Washington Generals have recorded six victories against the Harlem Globetrotters versus over 13,000 defeats!
When is some designer going to have the balls to drop the Roman numerals?
[quote comment=”312225″][quote comment=”312218″]Brian Bennett,
Excellent photos of Rochester baseball! I really wish the Red Wings would do some sort of throwback to those. I know they do the Negro League throwbacks once a year. How did you obtain these photos and do you have any more? I’m quite interested.[/quote]
Photos are part of the Albert Stone collection. Stone was a local newspaper photographer and his collection of negatives was saved and scanned by the main Rochester library. Go to link;
for the page which allows you to search the “Rochester Images” section of the Monroe County Library website. Search of “Albert Stone + baseball” yields 400 results.[/quote]
Fellow Rochester guy here, thanks! I grew up at Silver Stadium on Norton St. and remember fondly watching Bobby Grich, Don Baylor, Al Bumbry and Cal Ripken play at Silver. Sadly, I’ve been unable to shed my O’s allegience..sigh….
[quote comment=”312264″]When is some designer going to have the balls to drop the Roman numerals?[/quote]
I’m thinking that now the numbers get easier till we get to the 70s we should see roman numbers for a while
[quote comment=”312258″][quote comment=”312250″]http://www.shorpy.com/node/5392?size=_original
Oh, and also a girl’s rifle team.[/quote]
the lady on the far right(furcoat) scares me. I think she might have sombody in my for target parctice.[/quote]
And if she was standing on the grass with all the other gals, she would be about a foot taller than the rest of ’em. She is VERY scary indeed.
I found this link on the Huffington Post. The White Sox are seeking permission to sell and Obama themed cap with proceeds going to charities.
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Today’s ESPN column is up:
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[quote comment=”312268″]I found this link on the Huffington Post. The White Sox are seeking permission to sell and Obama themed cap with proceeds going to charities.
link
i can’t believe new era would make a cap with adjustable plastic strap like the diagrams show…
/feh
[quote comment=”312259″][quote comment=”312242″][quote comment=\”312223\”]OMG that Chiefs Doll is horrendous!!! Makes me embarrased to even be a fan. I see why the Native Americans wanted to go after mascots and names.[/quote]
Once had an argument with my brother about the ‘Skins’ use of the logo and why it was offensive. Told him try to understand how Native Americans see it. We were driving through Arizona and stopped at a roadside stand. Old Native American woman running the stand greets us, gets up, turns around, and there’s a big Redskins’ logo on the back of her burgundy windbreaker. We just looked at each other and shook our heads, me as if to say, “Never mind, bro!”[/quote]
I ran a charity raffle for work and we pulled a pair of Redskins tickets from the raffle prizes because someone overheard a native american employee say that she “would HATE it if she won that prize”. Later we found out she said that because she is a COWBOYS fan…sigh.[/quote]
[quote comment=”312259″][quote comment=”312242″][quote comment=\”312223\”]OMG that Chiefs Doll is horrendous!!! Makes me embarrased to even be a fan. I see why the Native Americans wanted to go after mascots and names.[/quote]
Once had an argument with my brother about the ‘Skins’ use of the logo and why it was offensive. Told him try to understand how Native Americans see it. We were driving through Arizona and stopped at a roadside stand. Old Native American woman running the stand greets us, gets up, turns around, and there’s a big Redskins’ logo on the back of her burgundy windbreaker. We just looked at each other and shook our heads, me as if to say, “Never mind, bro!”[/quote]
I ran a charity raffle for work and we pulled a pair of Redskins tickets from the raffle prizes because someone overheard a native american employee say that she “would HATE it if she won that prize”. Later we found out she said that because she is a COWBOYS fan…sigh.[/quote]
Whether the names are offensive or not, teams with those nicknames need to change, if only for marketing purposes. No matter what management says, they are either embarassed or afraid to market anything related to Native Americans. The Chiefs, for example, use a wolf as a mascot (I know there’s a link between indians and wolves, but this is obviously a case of KC being afraid to have an indian mascot). FSU is one of the few exceptions. They are proud of the Seminole and don’t shy away from it.
Chiefs/Redskins/Indians/Braves/etc: it seems the understanding is that they can keep their current logo because there’s history to it, but they can’t do anything else. Come to think of it, when was the last time a logo was redesigned with a new Native American depiction? I can’t think of any recent ones.
This bothers me. Either its ok to have these nicknames (and mascots and alternative logos, etc) or its not.
I love how the XLIII logo shows a 5-yard section & 3-yard section. So much for accuracy. I am continuing my tradition of boycotting the Super Bowl (I watched every playoff game, mind you) in light of the excess that the game has become, from the endless pregame shows, the entertainment, the commercials that comand way too much money, and the game is usually not that good. It’s wasteful. And the game should be played in Pittsburgh, not Tampa.
What color would you want the Super Bowl Logos to be? Black? White?
No matter what some team would be left out.
I mean PSU isn’t link
[quote comment=”312272″]I love how the XLIII logo shows a 5-yard section & 3-yard section. So much for accuracy. I am continuing my tradition of boycotting the Super Bowl (I watched every playoff game, mind you) in light of the excess that the game has become, from the endless pregame shows, the entertainment, the commercials that comand way too much money, and the game is usually not that good. It’s wasteful. And the game should be played in Pittsburgh, not Tampa.[/quote]
Professional sports are a business, you make what money you can. There’s no reason they shouldn’t charge outlandish amounts for commercials. I’m sure next years commercials will cost less with advertisers knowing they don’t have you watching.
[quote comment=”312266″][quote comment=”312264″]When is some designer going to have the balls to drop the Roman numerals?[/quote]
I’m thinking that now the numbers get easier till we get to the 70s we should see roman numbers for a while[/quote]
My prediction is that the 50th game will be known as “Super Bowl 50”, since I can’t imagine them promoting “Super Bowl L”. Then after that, they will use regular (i.e. non-roman) numbers or no numbers at all. Just a guess.
[quote comment=”312276″][quote comment=”312266″][quote comment=”312264″]When is some designer going to have the balls to drop the Roman numerals?[/quote]
I’m thinking that now the numbers get easier till we get to the 70s we should see roman numbers for a while[/quote]
My prediction is that the 50th game will be known as “Super Bowl 50”, since I can’t imagine them promoting “Super Bowl L”.[/quote]
Excellent point.
But instead of going to arabic numerals at that point, how about just going with “the 2010 Super Bowl” already.
[quote comment=”312269″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
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Wow…I still agree with you Paul. I think it would be more necessary for the girls to wear the pants considering in those two pictures the skirts are shown riding up the leg. Fascinating article and I really love the deep research you did on this one.
[quote comment=”312276″][quote comment=”312266″][quote comment=”312264″]When is some designer going to have the balls to drop the Roman numerals?[/quote]
I’m thinking that now the numbers get easier till we get to the 70s we should see roman numbers for a while[/quote]
My prediction is that the 50th game will be known as “Super Bowl 50”, since I can’t imagine them promoting “Super Bowl L”. Then after that, they will use regular (i.e. non-roman) numbers or no numbers at all. Just a guess.[/quote]
well…super bowl V and super bowl X were both single roman numerals, so i doubt they’d break tradition for “L”
god knows what kind of monstrosity they’ll come up with graphically for it tho
[quote comment=”312277″][quote comment=”312276″][quote comment=”312266″][quote comment=”312264″]When is some designer going to have the balls to drop the Roman numerals?[/quote]
I’m thinking that now the numbers get easier till we get to the 70s we should see roman numbers for a while[/quote]
My prediction is that the 50th game will be known as “Super Bowl 50”, since I can’t imagine them promoting “Super Bowl L”.[/quote]
Excellent point.
But instead of going to arabic numerals at that point, how about just going with “the 2010 Super Bowl” already.[/quote]
Because the game is played the year after the season. So it would have to be something like 2009-10.
[quote comment=”312280″][quote comment=”312277″][quote comment=”312276″][quote comment=”312266″][quote comment=”312264″]When is some designer going to have the balls to drop the Roman numerals?[/quote]
I’m thinking that now the numbers get easier till we get to the 70s we should see roman numbers for a while[/quote]
My prediction is that the 50th game will be known as “Super Bowl 50”, since I can’t imagine them promoting “Super Bowl L”.[/quote]
Excellent point.
But instead of going to arabic numerals at that point, how about just going with “the 2010 Super Bowl” already.[/quote]
Because the game is played the year after the season. So it would have to be something like 2009-10.[/quote]
plus that would be super bowl XLIV (44) in 2010
[quote comment=”312279″][quote comment=”312276″][quote comment=”312266″][quote comment=”312264″]When is some designer going to have the balls to drop the Roman numerals?[/quote]
I’m thinking that now the numbers get easier till we get to the 70s we should see roman numbers for a while[/quote]
My prediction is that the 50th game will be known as “Super Bowl 50”, since I can’t imagine them promoting “Super Bowl L”. Then after that, they will use regular (i.e. non-roman) numbers or no numbers at all. Just a guess.[/quote]
well…link and link were both single roman numerals, so i doubt they’d break tradition for “L”
god knows what kind of monstrosity they’ll come up with graphically for it tho[/quote]
But X is cool looking (especially in Super Bowl XXX and Super Bowl XL), and V is ok too. L is not cool, and most people don’t know it stands for 50.
[quote comment=”312231″][quote comment=”312226″]I don’t think this has been posted yet: link
Interesting article on the superbowl logo and some alternate versions graphic designers created.[/quote]
LOL! I have heard of skimming the main entry to read the ticker but that link is in the first effin’ sentence of the post!
I’m going to side with Ricko on the SB patch thing. The tone of the first paragraph tends to sound as if patches should be designed to match the colors of a given uni set and I don’t necessarily agree with that. It’s the logo for the event.
Look at the photos from the meetup yesterday. The one attendee had on a PSU jersey with an Orange Bowl patch, no orange doesn’t match blue and white but by that logic only Syracuse, Tennesse and Texas (sort of) would “look good” in a jersey with the orange bowl patch on. Red roses “don’t match” with say, the Michigan maize and blue but it still looks great when they’re in the Rose Bowl.
I think the SB43 logo is quite sharp. Small and understated on the jersey, but enough of a statement that it’s set off so that if you saw photos, you’d recognize it. I think the blue and green play well off each other and it’s not one of those Roman numerals that looks too bulky, like say, a 38.[/quote]
Seeing as the Super Bowl logos are designed at least a year in advance, I don’t see how the designer could possibly know what colors to design the logo with in order to match the participants.
Let’s look at the Super Bowl XLIV logo: link Based on this, with the presumption that the logo should not clash with the colors of the participating teams (and, presumably, match as closely as possible), it would stand to reason that the Bears and the Broncos will face each other in Super Bowl XLIV.
Place your bets now…
[quote comment=”312278″][quote comment=”312269″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
link
Wow…I still agree with you Paul. I think it would be more necessary for the girls to wear the pants considering in those two pictures the skirts are shown riding up the leg. Fascinating article and I really love the deep research you did on this one.[/quote]
Thanks. It was a fascinating story to work on. Of course, I would’ve done a much better job on it if I wasn’t so anti-Christian, as several folks here have recently suggested….
I really like this year’s Super Bowl patch. I don’t think it clashes with either team’s jerseys either. I understand the colors are not coordinated, but I think they look good.
[quote comment=”312282″][quote comment=”312279″][quote comment=”312276″][quote comment=”312266″][quote comment=”312264″]When is some designer going to have the balls to drop the Roman numerals?[/quote]
I’m thinking that now the numbers get easier till we get to the 70s we should see roman numbers for a while[/quote]
My prediction is that the 50th game will be known as “Super Bowl 50”, since I can’t imagine them promoting “Super Bowl L”. Then after that, they will use regular (i.e. non-roman) numbers or no numbers at all. Just a guess.[/quote]
well…link and link were both single roman numerals, so i doubt they’d break tradition for “L”
god knows what kind of monstrosity they’ll come up with graphically for it tho[/quote]
But X is cool looking (especially in Super Bowl XXX and Super Bowl XL), and V is ok too. L is not cool, and most people don’t know it stands for 50.[/quote]
Let’s be realistic…most people in this so-called educated country of ours don’t know what any Roman numeral stands for…let alone how to combine them to make other numbers.
That said, I like the Roman numeral designations. Basically unique to football unless copied. Also hints at a classic, Roman Coliseum-like confrontation or epic battle…what the game should be (unlike the NFC romps over the AFC in the 80’s and early 90’s).
Quick note from Boston College vs. Maryland last night – BC’s Rakim Sanders was wearing #33 with NNOB instead of his usual #15. I haven’t been able to locate a photo, but the announcers indicated that his jersey was stolen while in transit from BC.
[quote comment=”312284″][quote comment=”312278″][quote comment=”312269″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
link
Wow…I still agree with you Paul. I think it would be more necessary for the girls to wear the pants considering in those two pictures the skirts are shown riding up the leg. Fascinating article and I really love the deep research you did on this one.[/quote]
Thanks. It was a fascinating story to work on. Of course, I would’ve done a much better job on it if I wasn’t so anti-Christian, as several folks here have recently suggested….[/quote]
yeah…I guess the fact that you didn’t burn up on site ruined the perception of those people though…
[quote comment=”312214″]Was that the L.A. Dons or the Los Angeles Express??
Good feature on USA today link – one valid complaint is that there are just too many teams in black, to my count 12 have them as either their primary or alternates.[/quote]
The complaint should be the teams for whom black is not one of their main colors using black, i.e. the Coyotes and non-NHL the Mets. On another note, can someone explain what the hell Duff is talking about when he says that the Sabres’ 3rd is the best, it’s really a tie between the Pens, Oilers, Leafs, and Habs, coincidence, and he says that, “the Sabres have returned to their original uniform.” Anyone with eyes can see that that is not true. Really, the Sabres?
[quote comment=”312272″]I love how the XLIII logo shows a 5-yard section & 3-yard section. So much for accuracy.[/quote]
And the 5 yard line is almost a yard wide- and the end zone is not 10 yards deep. The horror!
[quote comment=”312289″]On another note, can someone explain what the hell Duff is talking about when he says that the Sabres’ 3rd is the best, it’s really a tie between the Pens, Oilers, Leafs, and Habs, coincidence, and he says that, “the Sabres have returned to their original uniform.” Anyone with eyes can see that that is not true. Really, the Sabres?[/quote]
Yeah the Sabres 3rds are a train wreck- just not as many cars thrown from the tracks as their standard unis.
I know two of Scott Terry’s kids, good people them Terrys
[quote comment=”312282″][quote comment=”312279″][quote comment=”312276″][quote comment=”312266″][quote comment=”312264″]When is some designer going to have the balls to drop the Roman numerals?[/quote]
I’m thinking that now the numbers get easier till we get to the 70s we should see roman numbers for a while[/quote]
My prediction is that the 50th game will be known as “Super Bowl 50”, since I can’t imagine them promoting “Super Bowl L”. Then after that, they will use regular (i.e. non-roman) numbers or no numbers at all. Just a guess.[/quote]
well…link and link were both single roman numerals, so i doubt they’d break tradition for “L”
god knows what kind of monstrosity they’ll come up with graphically for it tho[/quote]
But X is cool looking (especially in Super Bowl XXX and Super Bowl XL), and V is ok too. L is not cool, and most people don’t know it stands for 50.[/quote]
Honestly, I fully expect them to do XXXXX for 50, and then do LI for 51. From a design perspective, it looks better, whether it’s correct or not.
[quote comment=”312284″][quote comment=”312278″][quote comment=”312269″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
link
Wow…I still agree with you Paul. I think it would be more necessary for the girls to wear the pants considering in those two pictures the skirts are shown riding up the leg. Fascinating article and I really love the deep research you did on this one.[/quote]
Thanks. It was a fascinating story to work on. Of course, I would’ve done a much better job on it if I wasn’t so anti-Christian, as several folks here have recently suggested….[/quote]
Yeah, your hatred of all things good and pure are pissing everyone off. Just kidding Paul.
This was a great article. I went to a Catholic school and have seen a fair share of religious schools over the years, but I never knew stuff like this happened with boy’s basketball.
I actually think this is one of the better Super Bowl logo patches. It’s not too big, and I don’t think the green clashes all that much. It looks better on the uniform than most of the recent SB patches.
In the ESPN article, I’m surprised Paul didn’t ask him where they get the pants. Do they have to be special ordered, or are they regular warm-up pants? They look to be specially designed.
[quote comment=”312270″][quote comment=”312268″]I found this link on the Huffington Post. The White Sox are seeking permission to sell and Obama themed cap with proceeds going to charities.
link
i can’t believe new era would make a link like the diagrams show…
/feh[/quote]
And what loser’s gonna wear a New Era cap that doesn’t have a link?
I guess I’m more of a traditionalist, but I say it ain’t broke so don’t fix it on the Roman numerals.
I’d counter the “most people in this so-called educated country of ours don’t know what any Roman numeral stands for” argument by wondering out loud how many people in this country know roman numerals only because of the Super Bowl! I’m not necessarily saying that’s a good thing, just making a point.
I’m of the opinion that it just wouldn’t look right with Arabic numbers and you’d have just as many people complaining “why’d they change it?” if you did switch.
Regarding the conversation about MLB and color coordinating the logos, isn’t that only on the caps? I thought the jerseys still had the stock, red-white-blue scheme. Also, the world Series don’t exactly match the teams playing them do they ( link )? I know in this day and age of technology it would be easy to design the logo without color and add it after ther fact once you know what teams were playing but is that really necessary?
Any Simpsons fans in here?
“Roman numerals? They never even tried to
teach us that in school.”
[quote comment=”312271″][quote comment=”312259″][quote comment=”312242″][quote comment=\”312223\”]OMG that Chiefs Doll is horrendous!!! Makes me embarrased to even be a fan. I see why the Native Americans wanted to go after mascots and names.[/quote]
Once had an argument with my brother about the ‘Skins’ use of the logo and why it was offensive. Told him try to understand how Native Americans see it. We were driving through Arizona and stopped at a roadside stand. Old Native American woman running the stand greets us, gets up, turns around, and there’s a big Redskins’ logo on the back of her burgundy windbreaker. We just looked at each other and shook our heads, me as if to say, “Never mind, bro!”[/quote]
I ran a charity raffle for work and we pulled a pair of Redskins tickets from the raffle prizes because someone overheard a native american employee say that she “would HATE it if she won that prize”. Later we found out she said that because she is a COWBOYS fan…sigh.[/quote]
[quote comment=”312259″][quote comment=”312242″][quote comment=\”312223\”]OMG that Chiefs Doll is horrendous!!! Makes me embarrased to even be a fan. I see why the Native Americans wanted to go after mascots and names.[/quote]
Once had an argument with my brother about the ‘Skins’ use of the logo and why it was offensive. Told him try to understand how Native Americans see it. We were driving through Arizona and stopped at a roadside stand. Old Native American woman running the stand greets us, gets up, turns around, and there’s a big Redskins’ logo on the back of her burgundy windbreaker. We just looked at each other and shook our heads, me as if to say, “Never mind, bro!”[/quote]
I ran a charity raffle for work and we pulled a pair of Redskins tickets from the raffle prizes because someone overheard a native american employee say that she “would HATE it if she won that prize”. Later we found out she said that because she is a COWBOYS fan…sigh.[/quote]
Whether the names are offensive or not, teams with those nicknames need to change, if only for marketing purposes. No matter what management says, they are either embarassed or afraid to market anything related to Native Americans. The Chiefs, for example, use a wolf as a mascot (I know there’s a link between indians and wolves, but this is obviously a case of KC being afraid to have an indian mascot). FSU is one of the few exceptions. They are proud of the Seminole and don’t shy away from it.
Chiefs/Redskins/Indians/Braves/etc: it seems the understanding is that they can keep their current logo because there’s history to it, but they can’t do anything else. Come to think of it, when was the last time a logo was redesigned with a new Native American depiction? I can’t think of any recent ones.
This bothers me. Either its ok to have these nicknames (and mascots and alternative logos, etc) or its not.[/quote]
First off the Chiefs were named after the mayor of KC at the current time, because his nickname was “Chief” H. Roe Bartle. So there history has nothing to do with naming them after native americans.
[quote comment=”312271″][quote comment=”312259″][quote comment=”312242″][quote comment=\”312223\”]OMG that Chiefs Doll is horrendous!!! Makes me embarrased to even be a fan. I see why the Native Americans wanted to go after mascots and names.[/quote]
Once had an argument with my brother about the ‘Skins’ use of the logo and why it was offensive. Told him try to understand how Native Americans see it. We were driving through Arizona and stopped at a roadside stand. Old Native American woman running the stand greets us, gets up, turns around, and there’s a big Redskins’ logo on the back of her burgundy windbreaker. We just looked at each other and shook our heads, me as if to say, “Never mind, bro!”[/quote]
I ran a charity raffle for work and we pulled a pair of Redskins tickets from the raffle prizes because someone overheard a native american employee say that she “would HATE it if she won that prize”. Later we found out she said that because she is a COWBOYS fan…sigh.[/quote]
[quote comment=”312259″][quote comment=”312242″][quote comment=\”312223\”]OMG that Chiefs Doll is horrendous!!! Makes me embarrased to even be a fan. I see why the Native Americans wanted to go after mascots and names.[/quote]
Once had an argument with my brother about the ‘Skins’ use of the logo and why it was offensive. Told him try to understand how Native Americans see it. We were driving through Arizona and stopped at a roadside stand. Old Native American woman running the stand greets us, gets up, turns around, and there’s a big Redskins’ logo on the back of her burgundy windbreaker. We just looked at each other and shook our heads, me as if to say, “Never mind, bro!”[/quote]
I ran a charity raffle for work and we pulled a pair of Redskins tickets from the raffle prizes because someone overheard a native american employee say that she “would HATE it if she won that prize”. Later we found out she said that because she is a COWBOYS fan…sigh.[/quote]
Whether the names are offensive or not, teams with those nicknames need to change, if only for marketing purposes. No matter what management says, they are either embarassed or afraid to market anything related to Native Americans. The Chiefs, for example, use a wolf as a mascot (I know there’s a link between indians and wolves, but this is obviously a case of KC being afraid to have an indian mascot). FSU is one of the few exceptions. They are proud of the Seminole and don’t shy away from it.
Chiefs/Redskins/Indians/Braves/etc: it seems the understanding is that they can keep their current logo because there’s history to it, but they can’t do anything else. Come to think of it, when was the last time a logo was redesigned with a new Native American depiction? I can’t think of any recent ones.
This bothers me. Either its ok to have these nicknames (and mascots and alternative logos, etc) or its not.[/quote]
I REALLY don’t want to start this debate on here, but the Native American nicknames in sports is all relative to the Native Americans they are referring to. For example, the Seminole tribes in Florida are honored to be a part of the Florida St. identity in Tallahassee, however, the Sioux tribes in the Dakota’s do not like being identified with the University of North Dakota. That is why this debate is in the gray area, because some tribes embrace it, and some do not.
On another note, why do we never hear of organizations going after teams like the “devils”, “aztecs”, “fighting irish”, or even going after teams with live animals as the mascot like University of Colorado, or University of Georgia?
*(I am sure organizations have gone after these nicknames, or mascots before, but it is not nearly as topical as people going after the Native American nicknames and mascots.)
Here are all the logos at a glance.
link
My favorites are back to back – XXXI and XXXII because they convey what the host city is about.
Paul: Great job on the ESPN piece today. Obviously an interesting topic from a uni-centric viewpoint, but the manner with which you addressed personal/cultural issues as well made this much more than just an article about the laundry (not, of course, that there’s anything wrong with obsessin’ over the laundry :-)
I don’t think many folks who read this site need to be convinced that uniforms are significant — but the Gate City Christian piece was a nice reminder that their significance can extend far beyond matters of piping & drop shadows.
Really, really well done.
[quote comment=”312275″][quote comment=”312272″]I love how the XLIII logo shows a 5-yard section & 3-yard section. So much for accuracy. I am continuing my tradition of boycotting the Super Bowl (I watched every playoff game, mind you) in light of the excess that the game has become, from the endless pregame shows, the entertainment, the commercials that comand way too much money, and the game is usually not that good. It’s wasteful. And the game should be played in Pittsburgh, not Tampa.[/quote]
Professional sports are a business, you make what money you can. There’s no reason they shouldn’t charge outlandish amounts for commercials. I’m sure next years commercials will cost less with advertisers knowing they don’t have you watching.[/quote]
What the hell kind of snooty comment is that? I *know* my not watching won’t make a frickin’ difference. I was simply stating my opinion that I have reached my breaking point in the sport’s biggest farce. Why such sarcasm in your response? Are you some kind of NFL elitist? Is the Super Bowl some kind of holy day for you?
[quote comment=”312302″][quote comment=”312275″][quote comment=”312272″]I love how the XLIII logo shows a 5-yard section & 3-yard section. So much for accuracy. I am continuing my tradition of boycotting the Super Bowl (I watched every playoff game, mind you) in light of the excess that the game has become, from the endless pregame shows, the entertainment, the commercials that comand way too much money, and the game is usually not that good. It’s wasteful. And the game should be played in Pittsburgh, not Tampa.[/quote]
Professional sports are a business, you make what money you can. There’s no reason they shouldn’t charge outlandish amounts for commercials. I’m sure next years commercials will cost less with advertisers knowing they don’t have you watching.[/quote]
What the hell kind of snooty comment is that? I *know* my not watching won’t make a frickin’ difference. I was simply stating my opinion that I have reached my breaking point in the sport’s biggest farce. Why such sarcasm in your response? Are you some kind of NFL elitist? Is the Super Bowl some kind of holy day for you?[/quote]
And that’s enough of that, please. Let’s move on. Thanks.
well said Hugh
[quote comment=”312262″]Sorry for tooting my own horn, but link.
Anyways, carry on with your Uni banter.[/quote]
Congrats on your hard work!
[quote comment=”312298″]First off the Chiefs were named after the mayor of KC at the current time, because his nickname was “Chief” H. Roe Bartle. So there history has nothing to do with naming them after native americans.[/quote]
I was not are of that. So I take it link is what His Honor the Mayor looked like?
[quote comment=”312306″][quote comment=”312298″]First off the Chiefs were named after the mayor of KC at the current time, because his nickname was “Chief” H. Roe Bartle. So there history has nothing to do with naming them after native americans.[/quote]
I was not aware of that. So I take it link is what His Honor the Mayor looked like?[/quote]
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[quote comment=”312293″][quote comment=”312282″][quote comment=”312279″][quote comment=”312276″][quote comment=”312266″][quote comment=”312264″]When is some designer going to have the balls to drop the Roman numerals?[/quote]
I’m thinking that now the numbers get easier till we get to the 70s we should see roman numbers for a while[/quote]
My prediction is that the 50th game will be known as “Super Bowl 50”, since I can’t imagine them promoting “Super Bowl L”. Then after that, they will use regular (i.e. non-roman) numbers or no numbers at all. Just a guess.[/quote]
well…link and link were both single roman numerals, so i doubt they’d break tradition for “L”
god knows what kind of monstrosity they’ll come up with graphically for it tho[/quote]
But X is cool looking (especially in Super Bowl XXX and Super Bowl XL), and V is ok too. L is not cool, and most people don’t know it stands for 50.[/quote]
Honestly, I fully expect them to do XXXXX for 50, and then do LI for 51. From a design perspective, it looks better, whether it’s correct or not.[/quote]
They could always go down this road:
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[quote comment=”312277″][quote comment=”312276″][quote comment=”312266″][quote comment=”312264″]When is some designer going to have the balls to drop the Roman numerals?[/quote]
I’m thinking that now the numbers get easier till we get to the 70s we should see roman numbers for a while[/quote]
My prediction is that the 50th game will be known as “Super Bowl 50”, since I can’t imagine them promoting “Super Bowl L”.[/quote]
Excellent point.
But instead of going to arabic numerals at that point, how about just going with “the 2010 Super Bowl” already.[/quote]
If the rumors are true that the league wants the 50th Super Bowl in Los Angeles (where they played the first game), then wouldn’t “L” be appropriate? If we can have an “X,” then we can have an “L.”
[quote comment=”312306″][quote comment=”312298″]First off the Chiefs were named after the mayor of KC at the current time, because his nickname was “Chief” H. Roe Bartle. So there history has nothing to do with naming them after native americans.[/quote]
I was not are of that. So I take it link is what His Honor the Mayor looked like?[/quote]
[quote comment=”312306″][quote comment=”312298″]First off the Chiefs were named after the mayor of KC at the current time, because his nickname was “Chief” H. Roe Bartle. So there history has nothing to do with naming them after native americans.[/quote]
I was not are of that. So I take it link is what His Honor the Mayor looked like?[/quote]
Truly now, I remember at the time reading in Pro Football Weekly (under a small photo of the new Chiefs helmet with its arrowhead logo) that the second choice was, I think, “Mules.”
—Ricko
[quote comment=”312309″][quote comment=”312277″][quote comment=”312276″][quote comment=”312266″][quote comment=”312264″]When is some designer going to have the balls to drop the Roman numerals?[/quote]
I’m thinking that now the numbers get easier till we get to the 70s we should see roman numbers for a while[/quote]
My prediction is that the 50th game will be known as “Super Bowl 50”, since I can’t imagine them promoting “Super Bowl L”.[/quote]
Excellent point.
But instead of going to arabic numerals at that point, how about just going with “the 2010 Super Bowl” already.[/quote]
If the rumors are true that the league wants the 50th Super Bowl in Los Angeles (where they played the first game), then wouldn’t “L” be appropriate? If we can have an “X,” then we can have an “L.”[/quote]
Cool. “THE SUPER BOWLL”
I found one of them Huddles in a thrift store, once. I paid a nickel, then ripped off the helmet and threw away the plush. The helmet by itself is actually kinda cool. I’ll have to post it on here, tomorrow.
Paul: Love the piece on long pants. For religious reasons I also wear long pants when playing basketball and soccer, although only on pick-up level. Glad to see there are schools formally doing this. I also appreciate that they aren’t forcing other teams to conform to their beliefs.
Maybe we’re weirded out by the “L” thing because we’re so used to seeing Super Bowl logos with Xs in them. The Super Bowl logo hasn’t been without an X since Super Bowl VIII. We’re talking the 70s, people.
[quote comment=”312311″][quote comment=”312309″][quote comment=”312277″][quote comment=”312276″][quote comment=”312266″][quote comment=”312264″]When is some designer going to have the balls to drop the Roman numerals?[/quote]
I’m thinking that now the numbers get easier till we get to the 70s we should see roman numbers for a while[/quote]
My prediction is that the 50th game will be known as “Super Bowl 50”, since I can’t imagine them promoting “Super Bowl L”.[/quote]
Excellent point.
But instead of going to arabic numerals at that point, how about just going with “the 2010 Super Bowl” already.[/quote]
If the rumors are true that the league wants the 50th Super Bowl in Los Angeles (where they played the first game), then wouldn’t “L” be appropriate? If we can have an “X,” then we can have an “L.”[/quote]
Cool. “THE SUPER BOWLL”[/quote]
I think the designer will take a page from XL logo, having “Super Bowl” overwrite a very big “L.”
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[quote comment=”312300″]Here are all the logos at a glance.
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My favorites are back to back – XXXI and XXXII because they convey what the host city is about.[/quote]
Thanks for posting that link.
IMO the SB XIX logo started two decades of really good logos that peaked with XXIX through XXXIII. The last five have all been quite disappointing, but the next one looks like a big improvement.
Maybe they’ll commemorate the 50th game by not using a roman numeral at all. Super Bowl I was offically called the “First World Championship Game.” Maybe the the league will go retro and have something like the “50th World Championship Game.”
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[quote comment=”312293″][quote comment=”312282″][quote comment=”312279″][quote comment=”312276″][quote comment=”312266″][quote comment=”312264″]When is some designer going to have the balls to drop the Roman numerals?[/quote]
I’m thinking that now the numbers get easier till we get to the 70s we should see roman numbers for a while[/quote]
My prediction is that the 50th game will be known as “Super Bowl 50”, since I can’t imagine them promoting “Super Bowl L”. Then after that, they will use regular (i.e. non-roman) numbers or no numbers at all. Just a guess.[/quote]
well…link and link were both single roman numerals, so i doubt they’d break tradition for “L”
god knows what kind of monstrosity they’ll come up with graphically for it tho[/quote]
But X is cool looking (especially in Super Bowl XXX and Super Bowl XL), and V is ok too. L is not cool, and most people don’t know it stands for 50.[/quote]
Honestly, I fully expect them to do XXXXX for 50, and then do LI for 51. From a design perspective, it looks better, whether it’s correct or not.[/quote]
I doubt they’d do XXXXX for 50 if they did XL for 40. That being said I’d agree with Paul’s statment for just using the year. Anyone that’s watched any NFL football realizes the Super Bowl is held the yera after the season, so I don’t think there’d be much confusion there.
[quote comment=”312192″]They guy tackling the goal post is priceless!!!
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that reminds me of a comment in dante lavelli’s (R.I.P.) obit last week. a former teammate said lavelli (among others, i suppose) loved to make use of the goalpost’s position by grabbing it as he ran by to make an otherwise impossibly quick turn in the end zone.
[quote comment=”312284″][quote comment=”312278″][quote comment=”312269″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
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Wow…I still agree with you Paul. I think it would be more necessary for the girls to wear the pants considering in those two pictures the skirts are shown riding up the leg. Fascinating article and I really love the deep research you did on this one.[/quote]
Thanks. It was a fascinating story to work on. Of course, I would’ve done a much better job on it if I wasn’t so anti-Christian, as several folks here have recently suggested….[/quote]
I find it fascinating that the female players are allowed to wear link but the cheerleaders’ skirts are link.
It has got to be a real bitch to play basketball while wearing a link.
As both a Christian and a journalist (yes, there is such a thing), thanks for the story on Gate City Christian, and more specifically, the way you wrote it.
I know you get a lot of grief here about being “anti-Christian,” and believe me, any time any Christian reads a story like that in the mainstream media, they’re just dreading some kind of slam in the story, implied and/or overt. Thanks for not stooping to that level.
[quote comment=”312320″][quote comment=”312284″][quote comment=”312278″][quote comment=”312269″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
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Wow…I still agree with you Paul. I think it would be more necessary for the girls to wear the pants considering in those two pictures the skirts are shown riding up the leg. Fascinating article and I really love the deep research you did on this one.[/quote]
Thanks. It was a fascinating story to work on. Of course, I would’ve done a much better job on it if I wasn’t so anti-Christian, as several folks here have recently suggested….[/quote]
I find it fascinating that the female players are allowed to wear link but the cheerleaders’ skirts are link.
It has got to be a real bitch to play basketball while wearing a link.[/quote]
Agreed. But IMO, the knee length skirts would probably lead to more “impure” thoughts then shorts, but I guess if your religious doctrine says no to pants on females that must be the best route. There was a small group of girls that I went to shcool with thru high shcool that had similar beliefs. In gym they all wore warm-up pants under their ankle-length skirts to cut down on any chance of a Marilyn Monroe type incident. Had to tip your hat to them when it was 90 degrees and your running the timed mile on finals day in that many layers of clothing.
Yikes, I spelled school wrong twice in the same sentence.
slide show of alternative logos for this year’s Super Bowl, courtesy of the NYT:
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[quote comment=”312324″]slide show of alternative logos for this year’s Super Bowl, courtesy of the NYT:
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I think image 7 of 9 is fantastic.
[quote comment=”312325″][quote comment=”312324″]slide show of alternative logos for this year’s Super Bowl, courtesy of the NYT:
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I think image 7 of 9 is fantastic.[/quote]
I also liked image 2 of 9.
[quote comment=”312307″][quote comment=”312306″][quote comment=”312298″]First off the Chiefs were named after the mayor of KC at the current time, because his nickname was “Chief” H. Roe Bartle. So there history has nothing to do with naming them after native americans.[/quote]
I was not aware of that. So I take it link is what His Honor the Mayor looked like?[/quote]
fixed[/quote]
I am not sure why they used that really, but I think it was only like a year or w before they wised up.
[quote comment=”312317″]Maybe they’ll commemorate the 50th game by not using a roman numeral at all. Super Bowl I was offically called the “First World Championship Game.” Maybe the the league will go retro and have something like the “50th World Championship Game.”
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It’s a few years from now- how about “First World Championship Game – NFL vs UFL” ?
[quote comment=”312327″][quote comment=”312307″][quote comment=”312306″][quote comment=”312298″]First off the Chiefs were named after the mayor of KC at the current time, because his nickname was “Chief” H. Roe Bartle. So there history has nothing to do with naming them after native americans.[/quote]
I was not aware of that. So I take it link is what His Honor the Mayor looked like?[/quote]
fixed[/quote]
I am not sure why they used that really, but I think it was only like a year or w before they wised up.[/quote]
guess they don’t still use this guy then?
apparently it’s from 1972
NC State men’s basketball team wore patches in memory of women’s basketball head coach Kay Yow last night against Miami (who looked atrocious in black). I would expect this to last the rest of the season.
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Looks to be a black basketball with YOW written in it.
[quote comment=”312264″]If the rumors are true that the league wants the 50th Super Bowl in Los Angeles (where they played the first game), then wouldn’t “L” be appropriate? If we can have an “X,” then we can have an “L.”[/quote]
It’d be a damn shame if the NFL chooses to play the Super Bowl in a city that doesn’t have a team (and hasn’t for 10 years) when cities like Cleveland, Chicago, Pittsburgh, and Green Bay (all EXTREMELY supportive of the NFL regardless of product quality) don’t even get a sniff at a Super Bowl. It’s unfair that northern cities without a dome don’t see a dime of the dollars being thrown around. If it hadn’t been for those cities (and others), the NFL wouldn’t be what it is today.
[quote comment=”312313″]Paul: Love the piece on long pants. For religious reasons I also wear long pants when playing basketball and soccer, although only on pick-up level. Glad to see there are schools formally doing this. I also appreciate that they aren’t forcing other teams to conform to their beliefs.[/quote]
Very interesting piece.
The new all-time leading scorer in Massachusetts high school basketball, who broke Rebecca Lobo’s state record this week, is a Muslim girl who conforms to the ideas of modesty and always covers her head, arms and legs. I guess she’s not found it to be too constraining to her game:
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Can anyone explain the Atlanta Apollo’s logo from the retro soccer t-shirts? It says they were owned by the Hawks owners and I didn’t know if you had to look at their logo like you did for the old Hawks logo.
On a somewhat tangential SB-uni-related topic, did the Steelers ever do anything to publicly acknowledge the passing of iconic radio announcer Myron Cope? I believe there was speculation here when he died (Feb. 08) that they’d wear some type of patch or helmet sticker, but I assume this never came to pass?
Re: the Brits swim team: the swimmer on the right should be checked for y chromosomes.
Are we sure this isn’t the first Power Ranger?
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Super Bowl L.A. (this would be a fun Design project!!)
I Think that would solve the whole “L” thing…
play it in Los Angeles and “bam”…It could work really well!
(That is, if LA doesnt fall into the ocean by then)
[quote comment=”312324″]slide show of alternative logos for this year’s Super Bowl, courtesy of the NYT:
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Cool story, and I concur that images 2 and 7 were nice. Addition by subtraction.
[quote comment=”312337″]
(That is, if LA doesnt fall into the ocean by then)[/quote]
Arizona Bay…
[quote comment=”312339″][quote comment=”312337″]
(That is, if LA doesnt fall into the ocean by then)[/quote]
Arizona Bay…[/quote]
Ah…Bill Hicks….we hardly knew ye…
[quote comment=”312337″]Super Bowl L.A. (this would be a fun Design project!!)
I Think that would solve the whole “L” thing…
play it in Los Angeles and “bam”…It could work really well!
(That is, if LA doesnt fall into the ocean by then)[/quote]
I honestly don’t remember. Ever been a Super Bowl in a market that didn’t have an NFL franchise?
[quote comment=”312341″][quote comment=”312337″]Super Bowl L.A. (this would be a fun Design project!!)
I Think that would solve the whole “L” thing…
play it in Los Angeles and “bam”…It could work really well!
(That is, if LA doesnt fall into the ocean by then)[/quote]
I honestly don’t remember. Ever been a Super Bowl in a market that didn’t have an NFL franchise?[/quote]
Well, it certainly has been held in NON-NFL Stadiums…
[quote comment=”312341″][quote comment=”312337″]Super Bowl L.A. (this would be a fun Design project!!)
I Think that would solve the whole “L” thing…
play it in Los Angeles and “bam”…It could work really well!
(That is, if LA doesnt fall into the ocean by then)[/quote]
I honestly don’t remember. Ever been a Super Bowl in a market that didn’t have an NFL franchise?[/quote]
Kind of, depending on definitions. In 1985 the game was in Palo Alto at Stanford Stadium. The Raiders were already in LA. Is Palo Alto part of the San Francisco market? If so, the Niners played a home game, beating Dan Marino et al. in the Dolphins’ most recent SB appearance. If not, it was held in a non-NFL market.
[quote comment=”312341″][quote comment=”312337″]Super Bowl L.A. (this would be a fun Design project!!)
I Think that would solve the whole “L” thing…
play it in Los Angeles and “bam”…It could work really well!
(That is, if LA doesnt fall into the ocean by then)[/quote]
I honestly don’t remember. Ever been a Super Bowl in a market that didn’t have an NFL franchise?[/quote]
Super Bowl XL?
Absolutely Palo Alto part of San Francisco/Bay Area market.
Can’t imagine them going to a market with no franchise. Super Bowl hasn’t been in Rose Bowl since Rams moved to St. Louis, for example.
[quote comment=”312345″]Absolutely Palo Alto part of San Francisco/Bay Area market.
Can’t imagine them going to a market with no franchise. Super Bowl hasn’t been in Rose Bowl since Rams moved to St. Louis, for example.[/quote]
So, by that logic….could we now consider Toronto part of the Bills market, and, theoretically, since Toronto has a dome…that the Super Bowl COULD be played there (not saying it would be…or any other larger stadium within a certain radius of an NFL team…
All you New Yorkers (and other Uni Watchers):
Who is link?
And who is link?
[quote comment=”312347″]All you New Yorkers (and other Uni Watchers):
Who is link?
And who is link?[/quote]
bernie williams and i believe nigel daws when he first came up
guess they don’t still use this guy then?
apparently it’s from 1972
Named in honor of the KC mayor? Yes. Marketed that way? No.
Some people say that the Chicago Black Hawks were named because of the owner’s WWI infantry battalion; not necessarily a reference to Native Americans. Either way, the marketing has to be what will sell.
It’d be a damn shame if the NFL chooses to play the Super Bowl in a city that doesn’t have a team (and hasn’t for 10 years) when cities like Cleveland, Chicago, Pittsburgh, and Green Bay (all EXTREMELY supportive of the NFL regardless of product quality) don’t even get a sniff at a Super Bowl. It’s unfair that northern cities without a dome don’t see a dime of the dollars being thrown around. If it hadn’t been for those cities (and others), the NFL wouldn’t be what it is today.
I’m in Chicago right now, freezing. I don’t want the Super Bowl here though. I personally think its a great idea to have it in LA, because they don’t have a team: it approaches a neutral site.
No matter where it’s played, there is virtually no way it will have a home field advantage UNLESS it’s in a northern city. Remember when the Steelers played at Ford Field? The entire reason they had a home field was that 3/4 of the corporate ticket holders had no intention of going to Detroit, MI in the middle of winter.
When the Bears were last in the Super Bowl (two short years ago) we had one of the coldest days in years in Chicago. Outdoor, night football wouldn’t have been attractive to the corporate types that day.
[quote comment=”312348″][quote comment=”312347″]All you New Yorkers (and other Uni Watchers):
Who is link?
And who is link?[/quote]
bernie williams and i believe nigel daws when he first came up[/quote]
Bernie Williams!!! Ahh, thanks. I’ve been trying to think of Yankees players and he slipped my mind. And a Google search seems to confirm Nigel Dawes as well. Thanks!
[quote comment=”312349″]guess they don’t still use this guy then?
apparently it’s from 1972
Named in honor of the KC mayor? Yes. Marketed that way? No.
Some people say that the Chicago Black Hawks were named because of the owner’s WWI infantry battalion; not necessarily a reference to Native Americans. Either way, the marketing has to be what will sell.
It’d be a damn shame if the NFL chooses to play the Super Bowl in a city that doesn’t have a team (and hasn’t for 10 years) when cities like Cleveland, Chicago, Pittsburgh, and Green Bay (all EXTREMELY supportive of the NFL regardless of product quality) don’t even get a sniff at a Super Bowl. It’s unfair that northern cities without a dome don’t see a dime of the dollars being thrown around. If it hadn’t been for those cities (and others), the NFL wouldn’t be what it is today.
I’m in Chicago right now, freezing. I don’t want the Super Bowl here though. I personally think its a great idea to have it in LA, because they don’t have a team: it approaches a neutral site.
No matter where it’s played, there is virtually no way it will have a home field advantage UNLESS it’s in a northern city. Remember when the Steelers played at Ford Field? The entire reason they had a home field was that 3/4 of the corporate ticket holders had no intention of going to Detroit, MI in the middle of winter.
When the Bears were last in the Super Bowl (two short years ago) we had one of the coldest days in years in Chicago. [b]Outdoor, night football wouldn’t have been attractive to the corporate types that day.[/b][/quote]
and the downside to this would be??? fans of the actual teams could go to the game?
[quote comment=”312350″][quote comment=”312348″][quote comment=”312347″]All you New Yorkers (and other Uni Watchers):
Who is link?
And who is link?[/quote]
bernie williams and i believe nigel daws when he first came up[/quote]
Bernie Williams!!! Ahh, thanks. I’ve been trying to think of Yankees players and he slipped my mind. And a Google search seems to confirm Nigel Dawes as well. Thanks![/quote]
Note: dawes was wearing 40 (Valiquette’s # n0w…and dawes is now 10)
and the downside to this would be??? fans of the actual teams could go to the game?
The downside beside the already noted weather for outdoor stadiums is that there is a far greater chance that Green Bay will have a Super Bowl without a Packers appearance: which will mean that you will be asking about 94-96% of the fans in attendance to go to a cold-weather site to watch a night game. Tickets will be dumped like they were in Detroit. If you happen to have an NFC North team or even St Louis or Indianapolis, you’d create a home field advantage. I don’t think that’s the NFL’s goal.
Tickets were dumped in Detroit: actual fans of the Steelers went, yet actual fans of the Seahawks did not. Its one thing to drive for a day: its another to fly.
Cut it any way you like: nobody wanted to go to Detroit in the middle of winter and Minneapolis wasn’t much more popular. For that matter, Jacksonville went over like a lead balloon too. Which brings up one more problem with Green Bay: hotels. A week’s worth of people (probably double capacity) in Green Bay? I don’t think that’s possible.
If you want to change the way that the tickets are distributed for the Super Bowl, you might have more support.
I’m going to stick with my original opinion: if its a neutral site its better. And if you want fans to travel somewhere in late January/early February, winter carnivals and ice carving contests are simply not the attraction that beaches and golf are.
[quote comment=”312346″][quote comment=”312345″]Absolutely Palo Alto part of San Francisco/Bay Area market.
Can’t imagine them going to a market with no franchise. Super Bowl hasn’t been in Rose Bowl since Rams moved to St. Louis, for example.[/quote]
So, by that logic….could we now consider Toronto part of the Bills market, and, theoretically, since Toronto has a dome…that the Super Bowl COULD be played there (not saying it would be…or any other larger stadium within a certain radius of an NFL team…[/quote]
I’m really not gonna argue this. With anyone. Wasn’t “my logic,” was FACT. For advertising, marketing (meaning TV ratings, etc.) purposes and many others, Palo Alto is a city south of San Francisco International Airport that is considered part of the San Francisco-Oakland-Bay Area market. Palo Alto population is about 60,000, hardly a comparison to Toronto.
As Casey Stengel said, “You could look it up.”
how about a super bowl in hawai’i?
/who’s with me?
Not arguing…but, DC & the Meadowlands could both handle the large crowds and would be terrific host cities…TV ratings and marketing gold mines yet untapped…the Super Bowl has reached out to Detroit twice now, and has YET to even consider (except for the ill-fated West Stadium) any city North or East of Atlanta!!
Regarding the Uni-Watch column …
Doesn’t the phrase “Taliban” apply here?
Also, men’s college wrestlers don’t wear the leggings that were compulsory in Dan Gable’s time.
[quote comment=”312355″]how about a super bowl in hawai’i?
/who’s with me?[/quote]
too much travel time and too much time between tv time zones…
would be great
[quote comment=”312353″]and the downside to this would be??? fans of the actual teams could go to the game?
The downside beside the already noted weather for outdoor stadiums is that there is a far greater chance that Green Bay will have a Super Bowl without a Packers appearance: which will mean that you will be asking about 94-96% of the fans in attendance to go to a cold-weather site to watch a night game. Tickets will be dumped like they were in Detroit. If you happen to have an NFC North team or even St Louis or Indianapolis, you’d create a home field advantage. I don’t think that’s the NFL’s goal.
Tickets were dumped in Detroit: actual fans of the Steelers went, yet actual fans of the Seahawks did not. Its one thing to drive for a day: its another to fly.
Cut it any way you like: nobody wanted to go to Detroit in the middle of winter and Minneapolis wasn’t much more popular. For that matter, Jacksonville went over like a lead balloon too. Which brings up one more problem with Green Bay: hotels. A week’s worth of people (probably double capacity) in Green Bay? I don’t think that’s possible.
If you want to change the way that the tickets are distributed for the Super Bowl, you might have more support.
I’m going to stick with my original opinion: if its a neutral site its better. And if you want fans to travel somewhere in late January/early February, winter carnivals and ice carving contests are simply not the attraction that beaches and golf are.[/quote]
put the game in the stadium of the better team. The NFL claims it can’t since they need to book hotels in advance, but they manage just fine in the rest of the playoff, as do the other major sports.
I think a Super Bowl in an open, cold-weather stadium would present a great football game, especially if there’s snow, but for many of the reasons mentioned already (home field adv. for northern teams, tourism marketing), it would be infeasible. The Ice Bowl has an epic feel when you watch documentaries about it, and I think part of the reason is because it won’t likely happen again (a game of that significance in those conditions).
[quote comment=”312355″]how about a super bowl in hawai’i?
/who’s with me?[/quote]
Hawai’i or (I know it’ll never happen, but I can dream) Vegas, baby. Both have the hotels, entertainment options, easy air connections and virtually guaranteed summer-like weather that make for a more popular SB experience. A few other recent venues have been lacking in those traits.
[quote comment=”312355″]how about a super bowl in hawai’i?[/quote] I certainly could agree with that. I don’t know what the capacity is, nor the turf-but one thing that would appeal to me is that it would be a return to a day game even though it starts at 5:30 pm Central.
I think logistically the hotel capacity might be a problem, but from the standpoint of a neutral site I’m for it. I doubt you’d get any corporate tickets dumped.
[quote comment=”312360″]The Ice Bowl has an epic feel when you watch documentaries about it, and I think part of the reason is because it won’t likely happen again (a game of that significance in those conditions).[/quote]I agree-even though technically the Ice Bowl was the equivalent of today’s Conference Championships, the feel of that day was more of finality-99.99% of the fans felt that the AFL had no chance in the Super Bowl after that game.
[quote comment=”312359″]put the game in the stadium of the better team. The NFL claims it can’t since they need to book hotels in advance, but they manage just fine in the rest of the playoff, as do the other major sports.[/quote]
Again, tickets. No other sport attempts to sell as many corporate tickets to their final games as football. Then you have the ubitquious parties for the Super Bowl; those aren’t thrown together at the last minute.
For better or worse, the NFL likes the “bowl game” image.
It’s about a helluva lot more than hotel rooms. Think Springsteen would like only two weeks notice to where he’d be travelling to perform, not knowing if the movement of all his staging equipment would be 300 miles or 3,000? Or the Taste of the NFL needs only two weeks notice where to set up its kitchens and serving areas? (Etc.)
There is no other sports shindig quite like the Super Bowl, especially when it comes to corporate connections…in the U.S., anyway. It will stay at a neutral site, probably forever, for quite literally hundreds and hundreds of reasons, logistical and otherwise. Besides, this is football, with deep, deep roots in warm weather post-season “Bowls.” The Minnesota Detroit-style locations will always be there as an occasional aberration, but we will never—repeat never—see a Super Bowl in an outdoor northern stadium. We can talk about it, dream about it, fantasize about it…but we’re just flapping our gums. Not putting down anyone for thinking about how much fun it might be…but it just ain’t gonna happen.
—Ricko
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Man the NFL Huddles brought back some great memories. They had a childrens book series that was in my elementary library and I’d read those any chance I got. Those were awesome!
[quote comment=”312365″]It’s about a helluva lot more than hotel rooms. Think Springsteen would like only two weeks notice to where he’d be travelling to perform, not knowing if the movement of all his staging equipment would be 300 miles or 3,000? Or the Taste of the NFL needs only two weeks notice where to set up its kitchens and serving areas? (Etc.)
There is no other sports shindig quite like the Super Bowl, especially when it comes to corporate connections…in the U.S., anyway. It will stay at a neutral site, probably forever, for quite literally hundreds and hundreds of reasons, logistical and otherwise. Besides, this is football, with deep, deep roots in warm weather post-season “Bowls.” The Minnesota Detroit-style locations will always be there as an occasional aberration, but we will never—repeat never—see a Super Bowl in an outdoor northern stadium. We can talk about it, dream about it, fantasize about it…but we’re just flapping our gums. Not putting down anyone for thinking about how much fun it might be…but it just ain’t gonna happen.
—Ricko
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Completely agree. I just love snow games.
[quote comment=”312366″]Man the NFL Huddles brought back some great memories. They had a childrens book series that was in my elementary library and I’d read those any chance I got. Those were awesome![/quote]
My best friend growing up had bedsheets with the NFL Huddles on it. Always was jealous of those sheets.
That Japanese goaltender from the ticker is quite famous.
Teiji Honma is his name, and he is one of the first men to don a mask. The reason he wore it?
To protect his glasses.
[quote comment=”312365″] The Minnesota Detroit-style locations will always be there as an occasional aberration [/quote]I just hope that its a very occasional aberration.
And again, I agree-its not necessarily a slam on northern cold cities. Some warm(er) cities have proven to be a flop too. Personally, I don’t think Dallas will go over big: other than the game and the large stadium, its not that much of a week-long tourist destination in January or February.
One other neutral site I think might work: San Antonio. But LA seems to be the natural for me. The NFL would love to get back in there and the celebs are already there. Plus Fox does their pregame from LA right now-the networks obviously would love it. I can see a lot of advantages.
NYC was mentioned: if they had a dome, I think the NFL would wet its proverbial trousers to get a Super Bowl scheduled there.
[quote comment=”312356″]Not arguing…but, DC & the Meadowlands could both handle the large crowds and would be terrific host cities…TV ratings and marketing gold mines yet untapped…the Super Bowl has reached out to Detroit twice now, and has YET to even consider (except for the ill-fated West Stadium) any city North or East of Atlanta!![/quote]
Chicago would be a great host city as well, but do people really want to travel halfway across the country to sit at a 4-hour game and freeze? Hell, I don’t even want to be here this Sunday.
There’s no guarantee that there’s going to be good weather at the game in a warm-weather city (look at the deluge the Bears & Colts played in a couple years ago) but at least the chances are above average.
[quote comment=”312369″]That Japanese goaltender from the ticker is quite famous.
Teiji Honma is his name, and he is one of the first men to don a mask. The reason he wore it?
To protect his glasses.[/quote] I thought I saw glasses behind there: but then I wondered if they would fog up.
[quote comment=”312371″]Chicago would be a great host city as well, but do people really want to travel halfway across the country to sit at a 4-hour game and freeze? Hell, I don’t even want to be here this Sunday.
There’s no guarantee that there’s going to be good weather at the game in a warm-weather city (look at the deluge the Bears & Colts played in a couple years ago) but at least the chances are above average.[/quote]
I wouldn’t mind leaving for say, Aruba for the weekend too. But Sunday is going to be 32+! Who hoo, celebration! :-)
Not only do I remember the deluge in Miami that day, but I remember having a hard time starting my car to get to my Bears Super Bowl party here. And I remember the people who tailgated at Soldier Field that day. (Ironically, that can’t happen anymore.)
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Not only do I remember the deluge in Miami that day, but I remember having a hard time starting my car to get to my Bears Super Bowl party here. And I remember the people who tailgated at Soldier Field that day. (Ironically, that can’t happen anymore.)[/quote]
I remember coming home to frozen pipes in two bathrooms. Good times.
[quote comment=”312374″]I remember coming home to frozen pipes in two bathrooms. Good times.[/quote] I didn’t have that type of disaster, so you have my sympathy. But if the Bears had won… I know many people who would have celebrated for about 3 days and then thought “gee, I don’t have any water pressure in the house, and what’s that strange noise?” :-)
[quote comment=”312375″][quote comment=”312374″]I remember coming home to frozen pipes in two bathrooms. Good times.[/quote] I didn’t have that type of disaster, so you have my sympathy. But if the Bears had won… I know many people who would have celebrated for about 3 days and then thought “gee, I don’t have any water pressure in the house, and what’s that strange noise?” :-)[/quote]
Thanks, but I should have been clearer. We were fortunate that the pipes didn’t actually break, they were just frozen. So it was an inconvenience, but not a disaster.
I hate italicized run-on sentences.
Italics fixed?
fixed now?
I’m going home
[quote comment=”312216″]The Cardinals spring training patch mentioned in the ticker is not a 40-year anniversary patch… it recognizes 50 years of spring training in St. Petersburg, Florida. The team wore that during the spring of 1988. The Cards also wore spring patches in 1997 (farewell season in St. Pete) and 1998 (first season in Jupiter).[/quote]
Jeff, I remember you mentioning this patch back in March. That was designed by the city not the team, thus the “famous” St. Pete Pier is featured on it and nothing else much baseball related (although it is arched shaped for St. Louis). The Cards wore it at the behest of the city.
[quote comment=”312377″]I hate italicized run-on sentences.
Italics fixed?[/quote]I hate them too- but I’m a HTML idiot.
Leaving also, but kudos to the people behind this blog-I’m a geek for this type of stuff. Anyone else notice that for the Bears/Vikings game this year in the HumpDome the Vikes wore semi-throwback uni’s?
[quote comment=”312300″]Here are all the logos at a glance.
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The Times article said “….the 43 Super Bowl logos illustrate more than an annual championship”.
Simply lifting the type style used on the program cover and ticket (as was done from the early years) doesn’t constitute a logo, does it?
no video link, but TSN’s top 10 for tonight, and tomorrow morning was on jersey related incidents. Namely players forgetting them before going on the court, and in hockey the jerseys becoming so destroyed that others had to be worn (Spezza, Fleury)
[quote comment=”312365″]It’s about a helluva lot more than hotel rooms. Think Springsteen would like only two weeks notice to where he’d be travelling to perform, not knowing if the movement of all his staging equipment would be 300 miles or 3,000? Or the Taste of the NFL needs only two weeks notice where to set up its kitchens and serving areas? (Etc.)
There is no other sports shindig quite like the Super Bowl, especially when it comes to corporate connections…in the U.S., anyway. It will stay at a neutral site, probably forever, for quite literally hundreds and hundreds of reasons, logistical and otherwise. Besides, this is football, with deep, deep roots in warm weather post-season “Bowls.” The Minnesota Detroit-style locations will always be there as an occasional aberration, but we will never—repeat never—see a Super Bowl in an outdoor northern stadium. We can talk about it, dream about it, fantasize about it…but we’re just flapping our gums. Not putting down anyone for thinking about how much fun it might be…but it just ain’t gonna happen.
—Ricko
.[/quote]
Can’t take issue with any part of that. Even with the Series, baseball conveniently clings to alternating years (pre-2003) and the “this time it counts” stuff in order to better plan its big event. Better to be booking rooms, etc. in two cities as opposed to four.
Not advocating for ignoring an earned home-field advantage, just acknowledging the realities of the mindset.
I didn’t know that there was a prop bet based on uniform number. According to the Sporting News, you can bet if the jersey number of the first player to score a touchdown is odd (-300) or even (+240).
[quote]Anyone else notice that for the Bears/Vikings game this year in the HumpDome the Vikes wore semi-throwback uni’s?[/quote]
wait…what?
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Yeah the Sabres 3rds are a train wreck- just not as many cars thrown from the tracks as their standard unis.[/quote]
Wow, surprised to hear that. Most hockey people that I’ve talked to or in reading about, find the Sabres alt jersey to signify the original & classic look that many find appealing. I grew up with that jersey and find it is unique in how it graphically symbolizes the team’s entire name: Buffalo Sabres. No train wreck in that.
[quote comment=”312385″]I didn’t know that there was a prop bet based on uniform number. According to the Sporting News, you can bet if the jersey number of the first player to score a touchdown is odd (-300) or even (+240).[/quote]
Oh man, do we have so many Prop bets. Las Vegas Hilton has probably the best you can find: link
[quote comment=”312381″][quote comment=”312377″]I hate italicized run-on sentences.
Italics fixed?[/quote]I hate them too- but I’m a HTML idiot.[/quote]
I hope you realize that I was referring to a run-on that I wrote and that I wasn’t criticizing your writing.
[quote comment=”312388″][quote comment=”312385″]I didn’t know that there was a prop bet based on uniform number. According to the Sporting News, you can bet if the jersey number of the first player to score a touchdown is odd (-300) or even (+240).[/quote]
Oh man, do we have so many Prop bets. Las Vegas Hilton has probably the best you can find: link
Jersey number of first player to score a touchdown: Over/Under 38.5
And while not a uniform wager, this might be my favorite: Who will score more points on Sunday: The Pittsburgh Steelers or Lebron James?
[quote comment=”312387″][quote comment=”312291″]
Yeah the Sabres 3rds are a train wreck- just not as many cars thrown from the tracks as their standard unis.[/quote]
Wow, surprised to hear that. Most hockey people that I’ve talked to or in reading about, find the Sabres alt jersey to signify the original & classic look that many find appealing. I grew up with that jersey and find it is unique in how it graphically symbolizes the team’s entire name: Buffalo Sabres. No train wreck in that.[/quote]
The problem with the sweater itself entails the EDGE style by Reebok (which some still won’t come to grips with), the darker, grittier blue and yellow, and the silver trim on the sides near the pits mainly found on practice sweaters. I personally like the logo, but it could have been executed simpler and more authentic to its roots (since that is the point of a throwback, right?) I still think it’s much better than their lightning-slug, though.
The poor choice of throwback colors could also go to the Bruins, who should’ve went back to brown and yellow instead of black and yellow for their alternates. It’s the little things that chip away the big picture.
[quote comment=”312290″][quote comment=”312272″]I love how the XLIII logo shows a 5-yard section & 3-yard section. So much for accuracy.[/quote]
And the 5 yard line is almost a yard wide- and the end zone is not 10 yards deep. The horror![/quote]
Not sure if anyone will come back tomorrow to read this, but I saw a news channel discussing the SB XLIII logo. They said the 8 yards of field were chosen to subliminally reflect that this game was the conclusion of the 2008 season. Makes sense to me, but wasn’t quite executed well enough to quickly depict that. I’m more likely to count the 6 hash marks.
Most of the SB logos have been good, but I wish they alluded more to the host city. I can easily identify some, but others are way too vague.
[quote comment=”312188″]that shot of Dante Lavelli running against the team from Buffalo is against the Buffalo BISONS not the Bills as noted…Incidentally the Bills weren’t even established until 1960…
One of UniWatch sponsers, Distant Replays, even has a Buffalo Bisons throwback jersey for sale!!!
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I went back to the book and doublechecked the caption there. The Lavelli picture was in a Browns/Bisons game. I regret the error and any confusion.
i know this was a topic a couple of weeks ago, but Calvert Hall high school (MD) has hockey unis from reebok with the script logo on the front and the insignia on the back. Not a huge fan of the multiple logos.
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One more example of apostrophes gone wrong to drive Paul crazy
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