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Monday Morning Uni Watch

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I’m sure something stupider than the following statement will be uttered at some point this year. I just can’t imagine what it could be. Check this out:

[T]he decision to go back to a jersey with sleeves was again part of the effort to identify with the uniform style of the most successful Pirates teams in the organization’s history. Four of the five world championships won by the Pirates were won by players that had sleeved jerseys.

Yeah, and all of the Pirates’ championship teams wore stirrups, so I suppose you’re gonna go back to those too, right? While you’re at it, go back and see what brand of jockstrap all the players on the ’71 and ’79 World Series teams were wearing.

And people wonder why fans get cynical. I don’t have much of a problem with the Pirates ditching their vests and going back to sleeves (except for the pinstriped vest, which will still be worn for Sunday home games), but c’mon, stop coming up with asinine rationales and just say that you did it change things up a bit and increase merch sales. I’m sure most fans would rather buy a sleeved jersey instead of a vest, so you could say, “We doing it for our fans” and you wouldn’t even be lying.

Anyway, my take on the Buccos’ new uni set breaks down like this:

New home and road jerseys: Personally, I always liked the Pirates in vests and wish they’d stuck with them, but the addition of sleeves still looks fine, and now at least we won’t have the problems with some players wearing the official patch-inclusive undersleeves and others wearing unofficial patch-free sleeves. (One tangential point of concern: Very disturbing to see Nyjer Morgan wearing solid black socks instead of stirrups. Let’s hope this was just a photo-op shortcut and not a harbinger of a change in Morgan’s hosiery habits.) Good or stupid? Good enough.

New black alternate jersey and cap: Hate it. If you must have a black jersey, and if you really want to hearken back to your championship heritage, why not go with something like this? Plus I can’t stand that format where the insignia and the uni number don’t vertically align. Plus-plus the new alt cap so similar to the regular cap as to make no difference. Stupid.

Keeping the pinstriped vest for Sundays: Wait, I thought the whole point of this new set was that sleeves = championships. Whatever — vests and pinstripes are a bad mix. I have a feeling this jersey will be gone for good by 2010, and they should have just gone ahead and retired it now. Stupid.

Ditching the red vest: Addition by subtraction. Very, very good.

A team source who was present for Friday’s unveiling festivities relayed the following info to me:

Most players I spoke with liked the idea of having sleeves and said with the way each uniform can be tailored to fit, there is no loss of mobility as opposed to the free range of motion associated with the sleeveless design.

The fabric is interesting. It has a mesh texture not unlike your old-school football jerseys. It’s very stretchable and looks like it’ll breath much better than the traditional poly fabric. By the way, the fabric did not match the pants, which were traditional poly. Strange when viewed up close.

Team President Frank Connelly was very tongue-in-cheek with his introductory comments regarding the uniform change, saying (I’m paraphrasing here) “While our red vest design was extremely popular with our fans and players …” That comment got a laugh out of closer Matt Capps and others.

As you can see, there’s gonna be a lot more Cool Base fabrications this season. We’ll address the full implications of that at another time. (Additional Pirates uni info here, and there’s video of the unveiling here.)

Meanwhile, while the Pirates were unveiling their new uniforms, the Rangers were showcasing their new set (full info here, video here): One at a time:

New letters and numbers: Overlooked in all the hubbub about the new jerseys and caps (which I’ll get to in a sec), the Rangers have introduced a new custom font that’s total shite. NOBs are gonna be illegible on the home and road jerseys, and the numerals look like they’ve got warts. All the jerseys will now use this typography. Seriously stupid.

New home jersey: Do these Texans have an inferiority complex or what? OK, we get it, you’re from Lone Star country. Jeez. Seriously, a home jersey that doesn’t include the team name or logo is pretty weak. Stupid.

New road jersey: Fine from the front, but you’ve got that nasty font on the back. Good tempered with a side of stupid.

New blue alt jersey: Looks just like last year’s blue alt, right? Almost: Last year’s chest insignia had silver-gray outlining, while the new version has MLB’s favorite new design effect, beveling. Plus it’s got the same crummy typography on the back. Stupid.

New red alt jersey and cap: Jesus H. Christ, would you people please PICK A COLOR AND STICK WITH IT?! Either your primary team color is blue or else it’s red, but it can’t be both. Just start over and use chartreuse or orange or mustard or something. Stupid.

Ditching the alt home vest and alt road vest: Never liked the home version. Rather enjoyed the road version, but the Rangers just don’t feel like a vest-ish team, so they’re probably better off without both of these. Good.

Changing the shoes from blue to black: You know the only reason they did this is because the blue spikes wouldn’t work with the red alt jersey. Still, whatever motives, black spikes are always the way to go (Oakland excepted, natch). Good.

Changing the belts from blue to black: Another change that was no doubt necessitated by the introduction of the red uni set. And it’s too bad, because a blue belt would look better with all their other combos — yes, even with black spikes. Belts and shoes should always match at the office, but that rule doesn’t hold at the ballpark. Stupid.

New batting helmet: Hahahahahahahahahaha! The great thing about this is that the Mets’ sleeve patch is no longer the worst uni element introduced this winter. I’ll have an entire ESPN column on this helmet later today (look here). Beyond stupid, more like imbecilic.

Fortunately, I was having too much fun at Saturday’s Uni Watch party to get too worked up over any of this. Speaking of which…

Party Update: Saturday’s shindig at Sheep Station was really swell — best Uni Watch party ever, I’d say. Big thanks to all who showed up (especially Ed Hahn, who came all the way from DC and took some photos that you can see here). I’ll have a full report, with lots more pictures, ether tomorrow or Wednesday.

Speaking of this week’s schedule, I’ve got three ESPN columns in the hopper (one today, a really interesting surprise topic for Wednesday, and my annual Super Bowl preview column on Friday), so I may cut back a little here on the blog — not sure yet. In any event, we’ll definitely have regular content tomorrow.

Uni Watch News Ticker: I’ve previously run photos of Richard “Batman” Wood, who got his nickname because of the logo he wore on his pads. But now Chris Markham has found a shot indicating that Wood also wore a Batman helmet decal. … Also from Chris: USFL officials wore really awful Pony-branded socks. … “Southern California” is a lot of letters to fit on a basketball jersey (with thanks to Jeremy Brahm). … According to this story, the Sixers will be switching to their 1982-83 uni design next season. But I’ve seen next season’s Sixers jersey, and I can tell you that it’s not quite as simple as an ’82-’83 throwback. Sorry, can’t tell you more, but I just wanted to say that the story as stated on that page isn’t quite accurate. … The Bobcats wore their checkerboard uniforms on Friday, forcing the Suns to wear white on the road. … Color vs. color: Marquette vs. DePaul on Saturday. “I had it on in the background and it took me about five minutes to look up and realize that the team in blue wasn’t Marquette — and I’m from Milwaukee,” says Karl Vierthaler. … Last Monday I linked to this article about Nile Kinnick’s old football gear. But the web version of the article didn’t include this great photo of the jersey’s inner tag (big thanks to Brad Eenhuis for mailing me the newspaper version). … Similarly, yesterday’s New York Times featured this article about the 1959 all-star benefit game for Bill Dobbyn, but the web version doesn’t include this great photo that ran in the print version. … A high school goalie in New Hampshire is trying to trick shooters by having a new pattern printed on his pads (with thanks to Justine DeCotis). … According to this column, one of the first things Eric Mangini did after being hired by the Browns was “to tear down a huge mural of the team’s Hall of Famers, a list that includes Jim Brown, Otto Graham, Paul Brown, Dante Lavelli, Marion Motley, Lou Groza and Leroy Kelly. … That wall is now painted white.” What a moron. … UNC’s women’s hoops team wore pink uniforms yesterday, in memory of Kay Yow. … And officials working the Longwood/Va.Tech game wore pink whistles (with thanks to Clark Ruhland). … Yesterday’s post included this shot of the 1950 NHL all-star jersey design, which, as Dan Richardson points out, appears to have been the inspiration for the New Westminster Salmonbellies lacrosse team’s jersey design. … “Our local high school is Georgetown-Ridge Farm High School in Illinois,” writes Joel Hackler. “For our non-major sports, the high school co-ops with another local town, Chrisman. Our mascot is the Buffalo and our colors are purple and gold, while Chrisman is the Cardinals and their colors are red and black. Since we co-op for track and cross country, our coach decided to create a new uniform. As you can see, they stick out. The logo on the front includes ‘CHS’ (for Chrisman high school) and ‘GRF’ (Georgetown-Ridge Farm). It’s hard to see, but the two sets of letters are connected with a white chain symbolizing that the two schools are connected.” That’s Joel at far left in the photo, running in the 4×100 relay. … If you go to this page and scroll down about halfway down the menu on the right, you’ll find an excellent video on how a football helmet is manufactured (with thanks to David Soline). … Badly botched NOB during Saturday’s NBA D-League game between the Anaheim Arsenal and L.A. D-Fenders: Ryan Forehan-Kelly was missing an “e” and a hyphen (good catch by Daniel Peterson). … Kari Lehtonen isn’t the first Thrashers goalie to have a Batman-themed mask. Pasi Nurminen wore Batman and the Joker on his mask in 2003-04 (thanks, Teebz). … If you start at this page from a 1967 issue of Baseball Digest and start scrolling down, you’ll see some unusual (and, I think, very unofficial) MLB team logos (with thanks to Gordon Reid). … Tris Wykes sent along some interesting scans, including Doug Flutie with his mouthguard tucked into his sock, Duane and Brent Sutter in a 1986 photo they probably regret, Bobby Orr wearing No. 27, and Chris Chelios wearing lace-up gloves and rubber bumpers on his helmet. … Kyle Oen — the man behind the awesome Vintage Minnesota Hockey site — reports a hockey/baseball crossover promotion in the offing: “This coming summer we have agreed to do a St. Paul Saints baseball jersey that celebrates the 50th Anniversary of the Minnesota Fighting Saints hockey team.” No images yet. … U.S. Pond Hockey Championships report from Jeff Barak, who writes: “Here’s a Men’s Senior team wearing old IHL Minnesota Moose jerseys. This team won the “Golden Shovel” a couple of years back as division champions. Next we have the Pond Scum, showing some of the unique numbering treatments you sometimes see (I recall a team last year that had fractions, decimals, roman numerals and even π on one of their jerseys). And then there’s District 5, wearing their plaid lumberjack flannels. I did see a few other teams wearing Ottawa 67’s barberpole-style jerseys, 1980 U.S. Olympic jerseys, AHL Iowa Stars, and some with the 1932 Boston Bruins striping pattern, plus more than one tweed jacket, but unfortunately no photos — the combination of 13º weather and a -7º wind-chill made for an unhappy five-year-old son and sucked the life out of my camera batteries.” … Reprinted from last night’s comments: In 1985, Bill Bidwill had the Cardinals wear solid-red hose (no whites), and the players protested. … Here’s something you don’t often see: the towel literally being thrown in at the conclusion of Saturday’s Mosley/Margarito bout. … Dayton wore throwbacks yesterday (with thanks to John Cristiano). … Teal vs. maroon on Saturday, as Coastal Carolina played Winthrop (with thanks to Mike Miller). … Also from Mike: “What’s wrong with this photo? That’s UW-Milwaukee wearing gold vs. Valparaiso in white. Nothing unusual, right? Except that the game is in Milwaukee (check the Brewers ads). Valpo has gold road uniforms and Milwaukee has gold home uniforms, so Valpo had to wear white on the road.” … Adam Telischak was attending the NFL Experience in Tampa sent along some shots of vintage NFL sweatshirts and this program. One thing I hadn’t noticed before: Brownie the elf has five fingers — unusual (and unacceptable!) for a cartoon character. … Lots of NHL all-star pics here. … This is pretty funny (with thanks to Ken Ocker). … Coupla Super Bowl screen grabs from Doug Keklak: First, when Jim O’Brien kicked the game-winning field goal in SB V, his chin strap was unbuckled. Anyone know if he always did this? Also, why did Jim Otto have a first initial in SB II? Was there another Otto on the Raiders? … Rafael Nadal has been wearing some brutal color combos down in Oz.

 

272 comments to Monday Morning Uni Watch

  • BDiamond | January 26, 2009 at 8:05 am |

    It could be the angle, but it looks like #12 in the main pic is wearing an old style cap. It appears the under bill is gray in this picture.

  • Hibbs | January 26, 2009 at 8:06 am |

    Those helmets are something else.

    Didn’t the Rangers wear black spikes recently? Maybe it was during the red hat era.

  • Glen | January 26, 2009 at 8:17 am |

    [quote]• New black alternate jersey and cap: [/quote]
    I concur

  • Ricko | January 26, 2009 at 8:20 am |

    Odds n’ ends.

    “J.OTTO”, I imagine, was because Raiders had a LB named Gus Otto.

    Rangers have been wearing black shoes for a couple years now (or more). They wore red shoes shoes during the “red era”.

    Flutie’s mouthguard was in his sock on the famous fling against Miami, too. Theoretically, the play could have been called back.

    Jim O’Brien also wore two different brand shoes when he kicked in that Super Bowl. Think it was one Ridell and one adidas. Becuase back then most kickers also were position players, prior to a FG attempt there often was a change of footwear to a square-toed shoe. They were straight-on kickers, remember.

    Glad someone from UW made it out the pond hockey championships.

    Sure wish I’d been a Sheep Station. Great DIY there, Powers.

    —Ricko

  • Paul Lukas | January 26, 2009 at 8:26 am |

    [quote comment=”311727″]Rangers have been wearing black shoes for a couple years now (or more). They wore red shoes shoes during the “red era”.[/quote]

    No, they’ve been wearing blue shoes since 2004:
    http://exhibits.base...

    http://cache.daylife...

    http://cache.daylife...

    http://cache.daylife...

  • Glen | January 26, 2009 at 8:27 am |

    IU apparently had a “white out” for yesterdays game

  • Dane | January 26, 2009 at 8:29 am |

    Kudos to the gentleman wearing the Phoenix Coyotes jersey at the UniWatch gathering! I salute an individual with such a keen sense of style and taste.

  • Ricko | January 26, 2009 at 8:34 am |

    I stand corrected.
    (giggle) Shows how much attention I’ve been paying to the Rangers lately. Guess I was thinking of the A-Rod era.

    Plus, I am amazed (yes, amazed) that Dressed/Nines actually is paying attention to shoe color. Now, if they’d get the old stuff right, too.

  • LI Phil | January 26, 2009 at 8:34 am |

    [quote comment=”311730″]Kudos to the gentleman wearing the Phoenix Coyotes jersey at the UniWatch gathering! I salute an individual with such a keen sense of style and taste.[/quote]

    HA! that was me…my “salute” to Teebz ;)

    i don’t think anyone has called me a “gentleman” in years

    thanks

  • steve | January 26, 2009 at 8:38 am |

    Unusual number form Mexican soccer.
    http://i41.tinypic.c...

    Also some out of place sideline advertising.
    http://i43.tinypic.c...
    http://i44.tinypic.c...

    The game was in Mexico city. America vs Toluca.

  • CheeseSteaker | January 26, 2009 at 8:39 am |

    Hey Paul, would you please throw us a little more info on next season’s Sixers uniforms. I had been in contact with the Sixers front office on several occasions petitioning them to lose the current logo and uniforms for a more traditional look. I am excited to see them wear the ’82-’83 throwbacks more often this season, but I an dying to know what is in store for us next year. Any tidbit of information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

  • Ricko | January 26, 2009 at 8:39 am |

    Duh. It’s the ROYALS who went to black shoes in the past few years.

    Hey, it’s early on a Monday morning and I don’t wanna go to work. Can someone write a note to my boss? Tell him I have the 25-hour smallpox or something?

    —Ricko

  • lwiedy | January 26, 2009 at 8:43 am |

    [quote comment=”311731″]Guess I was thinking of the A-Rod era.
    [/quote]

    Please refer to Alex by his NEW nickname.

  • Ricko | January 26, 2009 at 8:45 am |

    [quote comment=”311736″][quote comment=”311731″]Guess I was thinking of the A-Rod era.
    [/quote]

    Please refer to Alex by his NEW nickname.[/quote]

    Damm, been corrected twice in less than twenty minutes.
    “A-Fraud”.

    I DO have the 24-hour smallpox, I guess.

    —Ricko
    Sorry.

  • Jonathan | January 26, 2009 at 8:49 am |

    Did anyone else notice that the Valpo player’s head is above the rim in that UWM-Valpo pic?

  • lwiedy | January 26, 2009 at 8:49 am |

    Yesterday, Johnny O was asking about Super Bowl logos being used on equipment. Can’t give a real good history, but the Skins wore two small logos on the back bumper in XXII and a fairly decent size logo in XVIII: http://i256.photobuc...

    Also, someone posted some Newark Bears news including “new” uniforms and Tim Raines as manager. Personally very glad to see him back in baseball. He has spent the last eight years or so battling a very debilitating disease and having the physical stamina to do such a job is really quite remarkable. Good luck to him.

  • Kek | January 26, 2009 at 8:49 am |

    There seems to be a lot of dislike to the Pirates’ pinstripe sunday vests. I’ve actually really like this uni since it came out.

    Aside from that, I pretty much agree with the assessment of the new Pirates set. To me, nothing earth shattering. They added sleeves to the unis they already had for the most part.

    I HATE the black alternate, but I guess it’s better than the red vest!

  • lwiedy | January 26, 2009 at 8:52 am |

    Did anyone catch “Two Minute Warning” last week on AMC? It’s a poor-man’s “Black Sunday”. Sniper at “Championship X”, filmed at the LA Coliseum. Complete with Howie and the Giffer on play-by-play, Dallas and Baltimore met looking suspiciously like USC and Stanford.

  • Belgium Endive | January 26, 2009 at 8:53 am |

    A uniform change is always exciting news – with one major exception – The Texas Rangers – no team seems to change their uni more consistently than the Rangers – and they’re all un-memorable. They’ve never been ugly – but nothing ever stands out. I guess they must feel the same way – at least at the unconscious level – judging by their batting helmet design – but unfortunately that achieving some distinguishment on the side of ugly.

    I’m surprise that baseball unis can’t be much more easier breathing material. (I realize there’s the famous Seinfeld episode), but with this day and age, can’t someone dry clean whatever material is chosen between games.

  • Paul Lukas | January 26, 2009 at 8:56 am |

    [quote comment=”311742″]A uniform change is always exciting news – with one major exception – The Texas Rangers – no team seems to change their uni more consistently than the Rangers – and they’re all un-memorable. They’ve never been ugly – but nothing ever stands out. [/quote]

    Agreed. Nearly 40 years and zero sense of visual identity. They’re like a big, bland suburb — inoffensive but characterless.

  • Jeff | January 26, 2009 at 8:57 am |

    Those unofficial MLB logos in that 1967 Baseball Digest were part of the charm of that low-budget publication.

  • Kevin G. | January 26, 2009 at 8:59 am |

    I don’t have any screen grabs of it or anything, but I recently saw highlights of the 1983 USFL Playoff game between Chicago and Philadelphia. The referees were wearing shorts because it was 92°F on the field. Talk about stupid looking.

  • Matt Brosseau | January 26, 2009 at 8:59 am |

    The Sutter brothers took an embarrassing photo, all right, but it’s no “Ooh la la Sassoon,” to be sure.

    http://www.youtube.c...

  • M.Princip | January 26, 2009 at 9:04 am |

    For an alternate, the eccentric styling of that black Pirates jersey, with the off center number and bold white stroked gold P, is pretty slick in my book.

  • lwiedy | January 26, 2009 at 9:04 am |

    Pretty sure that O’Brien shot is from the SBV highlight film (since they were showing them all weekend). Watch carefully next time, when he kicks the game winner, they cut to a side-angle shot and it is actually an extra point going through, then they cut back to the actual celebration. Would love to ask Steve Sabol why they used that shot. They had other angles of the real game winner going through but didn’t use ‘em.

  • Luke | January 26, 2009 at 9:16 am |

    I know there’s probably a lot of group think with Paul’s post, but I like the Pirates new unis. Yeah, the reason for sleeves is dumb, but whatever. At this point, I’ll take any reason to believe in a successful season. Obviously everyone is glad the ketchup vest is gone. But I really like the black vest. It’s not just black for black, Pittsburgh is “black n’ gold” after all. It’s much more interesting that this jersey, it has sleeve piping which livens it up, and most importantly… no red!

  • josh's twin | January 26, 2009 at 9:16 am |

    [quote comment=”311743″][quote comment=”311742″]A uniform change is always exciting news – with one major exception – The Texas Rangers – no team seems to change their uni more consistently than the Rangers – and they’re all un-memorable. They’ve never been ugly – but nothing ever stands out. [/quote]

    Agreed. Nearly 40 years and zero sense of visual identity. They’re like a big, bland suburb — inoffensive but characterless.[/quote]

    That sums up the Rangers perfectly.

  • Johnny O | January 26, 2009 at 9:18 am |

    [quote comment=”311739″]Yesterday, Johnny O was asking about Super Bowl logos being used on equipment. Can’t give a real good history, but the Skins wore two small logos on the back bumper in XXII and a fairly decent size logo in XVIII: http://i256.photobuc...

    Also, someone posted some Newark Bears news including “new” uniforms and Tim Raines as manager. Personally very glad to see him back in baseball. He has spent the last eight years or so battling a very debilitating disease and having the physical stamina to do such a job is really quite remarkable. Good luck to him.[/quote]

    Thanks lwiedy. Any further research to find out when the the Super Bowl logo was first worn ever as a decal or anything? I just can’t believe I never realized that a lot of older SB’s were played sans SB logo. It’s so common now that things are plastered with the logo everywhere, including the uni, that I can’t imagine a time when it wasn’t everywhere.

    Also, someone posted a pic. of the Super Bowl logo for next year since it was in the program for this years SB…can we get that pic. again?

  • LI Phil | January 26, 2009 at 9:22 am |

    is it actually a given that the rangers will wear this in game play? this is seriously the WORST thing to possibly grace a head since this…and like paul said, as a mets fan, it makes “our” ridiculous patch and laughable helmet no longer the worst accoutrements in MLB this season

    /thank you texas

  • lwiedy | January 26, 2009 at 9:28 am |

    [quote comment=”311751″][quote comment=”311739″]Yesterday, Johnny O was asking about Super Bowl logos being used on equipment. Can’t give a real good history, but the Skins wore two small logos on the back bumper in XXII and a fairly decent size logo in XVIII: http://i256.photobuc...

    Also, someone posted some Newark Bears news including “new” uniforms and Tim Raines as manager. Personally very glad to see him back in baseball. He has spent the last eight years or so battling a very debilitating disease and having the physical stamina to do such a job is really quite remarkable. Good luck to him.[/quote]

    Thanks lwiedy. Any further research to find out when the the Super Bowl logo was first worn ever as a decal or anything? I just can’t believe I never realized that a lot of older SB’s were played sans SB logo. It’s so common now that things are plastered with the logo everywhere, including the uni, that I can’t imagine a time when it wasn’t everywhere.

    Also, someone posted a pic. of the Super Bowl logo for next year since it was in the program for this years SB…can we get that pic. again?[/quote]

    Other notable SB “additions” are the fairly well documented bicentennial patch in X and the yellow piece of tape on the XV helmets.

  • Paul Lukas | January 26, 2009 at 9:31 am |

    [quote comment=”311752″]is it actually a given that the rangers will wear this in game play?[/quote]

    That is the current plan, yes. We’ll see if the shitstorm of ridicule that’s sure to follow will be enough to shame them out of it.

  • Mark | January 26, 2009 at 9:34 am |

    Regardless of what the style book says, the Rangers have had alternate jerseys with beveled lettering since at least 2000. I know because I own one.
    If they had simply used last season’s road vest as a template for their new set, they’d have wound up in much better shape than they are now. That was a sweet looking jersey.

    Regarding Pittsburgh, I concur on the black alternate…but then again, I was probably the only person here who liked the red vest! And I still hate their number font with a passion…wherever it’s located.

  • dw | January 26, 2009 at 9:34 am |

    There was a Gus Otto [no relation]who was with the Raid-duhs when the legendary Jim Otto was Daryle Lamonica’s center.
    Gus Otto (born December 8, 1943 in St. Louis, Missouri) is a former American college University of Missouri, and professional football player. A linebacker, he played for the American Football League’s Oakland Raiders from 1965 through 1969 and for the NFL Raiders from 1970 – 1972.
    Jersey #34

  • lwiedy | January 26, 2009 at 9:38 am |

    [quote comment=”311754″][quote comment=”311752″]is it actually a given that the rangers will wear this in game play?[/quote]

    That is the current plan, yes. We’ll see if the shitstorm of ridicule that’s sure to follow will be enough to shame them out of it.[/quote]

    Just add a facemask and they will be good to go: http://baseballtips....

  • Sarran | January 26, 2009 at 9:40 am |

    Anybody notice the “Roos” on the maroon sock-clad Cardinal. I thought only Walter Payton wore those. Those were the shoes that had pockets if I recall correctly.
    http://farm4.static....

  • Ricko | January 26, 2009 at 9:42 am |

    [quote comment=”311757″][quote comment=”311754″][quote comment=”311752″]is it actually a given that the rangers will wear this in game play?[/quote]

    That is the current plan, yes. We’ll see if the shitstorm of ridicule that’s sure to follow will be enough to shame them out of it.[/quote]

    Just add a facemask and they will be good to go: http://baseballtips....

    Or a chin strap and the Rangers could wear them riding home from games on their Mopeds.

  • lwiedy | January 26, 2009 at 9:48 am |

    [quote comment=”311759″][quote comment=”311757″][quote comment=”311754″][quote comment=”311752″]is it actually a given that the rangers will wear this in game play?[/quote]

    That is the current plan, yes. We’ll see if the shitstorm of ridicule that’s sure to follow will be enough to shame them out of it.[/quote]

    Just add a facemask and they will be good to go: http://baseballtips....

    Or a chin strap and the Rangers could wear them riding home from games on their Mopeds.[/quote]

    Oh, you mean like this? http://s7ondemand1.s...
    BTW, both images found with google search for “girls softball batting helmet”

  • Ricko | January 26, 2009 at 9:53 am |

    [quote comment=”311760″][quote comment=”311759″][quote comment=”311757″][quote comment=”311754″][quote comment=”311752″]is it actually a given that the rangers will wear this in game play?[/quote]

    That is the current plan, yes. We’ll see if the shitstorm of ridicule that’s sure to follow will be enough to shame them out of it.[/quote]

    Just add a facemask and they will be good to go: http://baseballtips....

    Or a chin strap and the Rangers could wear them riding home from games on their Mopeds.[/quote]

    Oh, you mean like this? http://s7ondemand1.s...
    BTW, both images found with google search for “girls softball batting helmet”[/quote]

    Pefect. And relief pitchers could ride in from the bullpen on a Seque.

  • Ricko | January 26, 2009 at 9:56 am |

    Although for some it’s a “Segway”
    http://www.glide4les...

  • joe | January 26, 2009 at 9:57 am |

    maybe Texas is remembering the JFK shooting with the new helmet, it does look like the back of their heads were blown off.

  • Kevin M. | January 26, 2009 at 9:58 am |

    Nice to see someone wearing a Macon Whoopee jersey…too bad it was the crappy brids and bee design instead of their more classic design.

  • Happy Joe | January 26, 2009 at 9:59 am |

    Brownie the elf has five fingers — unusual (and unacceptable!) for a cartoon character.

    I strongly disagree. If five fingers was acceptable for Charles Schultz {Peanuts}, it acceptable in my book.

  • Justin in AR | January 26, 2009 at 10:03 am |

    Correct me if I’m wrong, here, but isn’t Marquette a Converse school?
    The Converse star is on the shorts:
    http://espn.go.com/n...

    So, why is this guy wearing Nike socks with Converse shoes?
    http://espn.go.com/n...

    Could there be a violation, there?

  • Mad Dog | January 26, 2009 at 10:06 am |

    Regarding the new Rangers font: can someone please explain the purpose of the smaller “A C E” in the below image? I’m sure it has some purpose, but I can’t figure it out.

    http://farm4.static....

  • Glenn | January 26, 2009 at 10:08 am |

    Saw a couple of things very interesting at the RockiesFest this weekend. Going back to previous days comments about helmets and facial protection, I had forgotten Charlie Hayes’ broken jaw back in 1993 while playing with the Rockies.

    Charlie Hayes

    And this Helton jersey, number 11, never used, but was to be his original # when he came up.

    Helton jersey and info

  • Taha | January 26, 2009 at 10:09 am |

    noticed in the pictures of the Cardinals wearing all-red socks…Two brands of shoes you don’t see anymore: KangaROOS (with the zippered pouch!) and Pony

  • LI Phil | January 26, 2009 at 10:09 am |

    [quote comment=”311767″]Regarding the new Rangers font: can someone please explain the purpose of the smaller “A C E” in the below image? I’m sure it has some purpose, but I can’t figure it out.

    http://farm4.static....

    prolly would be used for names like McLAREN, LaBOUTLIER, DeWARE…etc

    just a guess

  • Stuby | January 26, 2009 at 10:10 am |

    [quote comment=”311767″]Regarding the new Rangers font: can someone please explain the purpose of the smaller “A C E” in the below image? I’m sure it has some purpose, but I can’t figure it out.

    http://farm4.static....
    For names like McCartney, DeNiro and LaRoche. Although they would also need an O if they got LoDuca.

  • Teebz | January 26, 2009 at 10:10 am |

    [quote comment=”311767″]Regarding the new Rangers font: can someone please explain the purpose of the smaller “A C E” in the below image? I’m sure it has some purpose, but I can’t figure it out.

    http://farm4.static....

    For names like “McDowell” or “MacTaggart” or “DeLuca”.

  • Glen | January 26, 2009 at 10:11 am |

    Here is a picture of the IU ‘White Out’

    http://cmsimg.indyst...

  • War Damn Eagle | January 26, 2009 at 10:11 am |

    [quote comment=”311728″][quote comment=”311727″]Rangers have been wearing black shoes for a couple years now (or more). They wore red shoes shoes during the “red era”.[/quote]

    No, they’ve been wearing blue shoes since 2004:
    http://exhibits.base...

    http://cache.daylife...

    http://cache.daylife...

    http://cache.daylife...

    Question for Paul:
    You don’t seem too happy about the Rangers having both a blue and a red uni set. Do you have the same feelings for the Nats, who wear predominantly red at home, and predominantly navy on the road? Looks like the Rangers had a similar approach in 2000, wearing red at home and blue on the road.

  • Teebz | January 26, 2009 at 10:12 am |

    I’m the third echo! :o)

  • Stuby | January 26, 2009 at 10:13 am |

    Good job Phil and Teebz. No repeats on the Mc, Mac, De and La names.

  • War Damn Eagle | January 26, 2009 at 10:14 am |

    [quote comment=”311750″][quote comment=”311743″][quote comment=”311742″]A uniform change is always exciting news – with one major exception – The Texas Rangers – no team seems to change their uni more consistently than the Rangers – and they’re all un-memorable. They’ve never been ugly – but nothing ever stands out. [/quote]

    Agreed. Nearly 40 years and zero sense of visual identity. They’re like a big, bland suburb — inoffensive but characterless.[/quote]

    That sums up the Rangers perfectly.[/quote]

    I think they should probably just blow it up and start all over. The tweaks they have made just aren’t that inspiring. A completely new approach, a la the Rays, is probably what’s needed.

  • War Damn Eagle | January 26, 2009 at 10:17 am |

    [quote comment=”311766″]Correct me if I’m wrong, here, but isn’t Marquette a Converse school?
    The Converse star is on the shorts:
    http://espn.go.com/n...

    So, why is this guy wearing Nike socks with Converse shoes?
    http://espn.go.com/n...

    Could there be a violation, there?[/quote]

    Nike owns Converse.

  • josh's twin | January 26, 2009 at 10:19 am |

    [quote comment=”311776″]Good job Phil and Teebz. No repeats on the Mc, Mac, De and La names.[/quote]

    There still missing apostrophes, umlaats and tildes.

  • Ed | January 26, 2009 at 10:22 am |

    Great to see everyone on Saturday!

    BTW, maybe that new Rangers font can be used as the “captcha” for posting here. ;-)

    ed

  • Johnny F. | January 26, 2009 at 10:29 am |

    At least this Texas Rangers home uni has the word “Rangers” on it…

    http://dennisthepeas...

    p.s.- I’m still bitter I missed the uni-party to do presentations and to “learn” about adolescent psychology.

  • LI Phil | January 26, 2009 at 10:30 am |

    [quote comment=”311780″]Great to see everyone on Saturday!

    BTW, maybe that new Rangers font can be used as the “captcha” for posting here. ;-)

    ed[/quote]

    indeed ed…thanks for taking (and posting) all those pics…i still haven’t dumped mine out of my camera yet to forward to paul

    loved YOUR jersey btw…so hopefully between our all our pics, we’ll see yours!

  • Mike Engle | January 26, 2009 at 10:32 am |

    For the first time EVER, Paul Lukas has bashed a particular set of horizontally striped socks. (See the Pony socks on the USFL official in the Ticker.) Never thought I’d live to see the day.

  • MPowers1634 | January 26, 2009 at 10:32 am |

    [quote comment=”311762″]Although for some it’s a “Segway”
    http://www.glide4les...

    My favorite character from my favorite show rides around on one of those:

    http://static.flickr...

    As do the parking attendants at Disney.

    BTW…who is that incredibly good looking albeit 30 pounds overweight fella in the Princeton DIY?

    http://i.pbase.com/o...

    The Biggest Loser competition at work should get me back to my playing weight!

    This jersey was very cool:

    http://i.pbase.com/o...

    http://i.pbase.com/o...

    Although, I spy a bit’ o flat brimmage!!!

    I was thoroughly impressed by the shear knowledge that everyone posessed…a truly enlightening experience.

    I had a GREAT time with everyone. It’s really amazing how a small group with sucj specific interests have come together.

  • MPowers1634 | January 26, 2009 at 10:34 am |

    [quote comment=”311778″][quote comment=”311766″]Correct me if I’m wrong, here, but isn’t Marquette a Converse school?
    The Converse star is on the shorts:
    http://espn.go.com/n...

    So, why is this guy wearing Nike socks with Converse shoes?
    http://espn.go.com/n...

    Could there be a violation, there?[/quote]

    Nike owns Converse.[/quote]

    Correct…on the Eastbay website, you can purchase the Marquette gear which is listed with the SOD Nike gear.

  • Jamie | January 26, 2009 at 10:36 am |

    Geez… The Rangers really make me sad sometimes. Forty years, one playoff win. What the Lions have been for football, the Rangers have been for baseball. Not to mention that they’re basically a middle level between AAA and the real MLB: you come to Arlington, play well for a couple seasons, and then you’re gonzo. And now these uniforms. Why do they do this to me? Have I wronged Tom Hicks in some way? Do they just dislike me? What could we, as fans, have done to deserve such a grave injustice?

  • Mike Engle | January 26, 2009 at 10:36 am |

    And just saw the Sheep Station pictures. Would the man in the Princeton hoodie please stand up and take a bow? That is the coolest thing I have ever seen. Either great purchase, or well done on the DIY front.

  • Mike Miller | January 26, 2009 at 10:36 am |

    The stripe out IU did last year I believe was way cooler.

    http://www.replaypho...

    The crazy Rangers font looks alright on the alternates when the white is the main foundation color. On the whites and grays, yeah, it’s going to suck.

  • Jamie | January 26, 2009 at 10:38 am |

    Oh, scratch that about the Lions–they won things before my mom was born.

  • union jack | January 26, 2009 at 10:41 am |

    I wouldn’t mind seeing the Mets in vests, as long as they wore proper t-shirts (not spandex crap) and lost the damnable black shirts, caps, trim, etc – their colors are blue and orange, period.

  • Beardface | January 26, 2009 at 10:44 am |

    [quote comment=”311786″]Geez… The Rangers really make me sad sometimes. Forty years, one playoff win. What the Lions have been for football, the Rangers have been for baseball. Not to mention that they’re basically a middle level between AAA and the real MLB: you come to Arlington, play well for a couple seasons, and then you’re gonzo. And now these uniforms. Why do they do this to me? Have I wronged Tom Hicks in some way? Do they just dislike me? What could we, as fans, have done to deserve such a grave injustice?[/quote]
    You know your franchise sucks when even the franchise that has the most losses in all of sports has won 2 world titles during your existence while you’ve only managed one SERIES win…

    Ouch

  • Brendon | January 26, 2009 at 10:51 am |

    [quote comment=”311787″]And just saw the Sheep Station pictures. Would the man in the Princeton hoodie please stand up and take a bow? That is the coolest thing I have ever seen. Either great purchase, or well done on the DIY front.[/quote]

    My thoughts exactly. “Dude in Princeton hoodie”, where did you get that? I love it!

  • Namhob | January 26, 2009 at 10:53 am |

    [quote comment=”311763″]maybe Texas is remembering the JFK shooting with the new helmet, it does look like the back of their heads were blown off.[/quote]
    TOO SOON!!!

  • LI Phil | January 26, 2009 at 11:01 am |

    [quote comment=”311792″][quote comment=”311787″]And just saw the Sheep Station pictures. Would the man in the Princeton hoodie please stand up and take a bow? That is the coolest thing I have ever seen. Either great purchase, or well done on the DIY front.[/quote]

    My thoughts exactly. “Dude in Princeton hoodie”, where did you get that? I love it![/quote]

    that “dude” was the one and only matthew powers

    and i must say, it was one impressive DIY

  • MPowers1634 | January 26, 2009 at 11:01 am |

    [quote comment=”311787″]And just saw the Sheep Station pictures. Would the man in the Princeton hoodie please stand up and take a bow? That is the coolest thing I have ever seen. Either great purchase, or well done on the DIY front.[/quote]

    Thanks, Mike…it was a DIY that was inspired by all of the great stuff that I’ve seen profiled on the site before me.

    Here’s a shot of the back:

    http://i256.photobuc...

    That was inspired by these three pics:

    http://i256.photobuc...

    http://i256.photobuc...

    http://i256.photobuc...

    I’m actually working on another one as we speak.

    Oh, and Paul…Here is the Esquire blurb that we talked about the other day:

    http://i256.photobuc...

  • MPowers1634 | January 26, 2009 at 11:03 am |

    [quote comment=”311793″][quote comment=”311763″]maybe Texas is remembering the JFK shooting with the new helmet, it does look like the back of their heads were blown off.[/quote]
    TOO SOON!!![/quote]

    Ouch!!! There will never be a time when that ISN’T too soon.

  • ED KOZAK | January 26, 2009 at 11:06 am |

    I’ve been a high school football referee for 25 years, and on my 25th anniversary of my first game ever, coming up in September, I’d like to dress myself and my crew in throwback ref unis. I recently rented the movie Leatherheads, and I liked the mid-twenties look of the officials. I think I can recreate the look without too much trouble, but does anyone have a resource (website?) that might show multiple pictures or samples of the garb they wore. Any info or ideas would be helpful, even as to their signaling and the flags, if any, that they used.

  • mike | January 26, 2009 at 11:06 am |

    [quote comment=”311785″][quote comment=”311778″][quote comment=”311766″]Correct me if I’m wrong, here, but isn’t Marquette a Converse school?
    The Converse star is on the shorts:
    http://espn.go.com/n...

    So, why is this guy wearing Nike socks with Converse shoes?
    http://espn.go.com/n...

    Could there be a violation, there?[/quote]

    Nike owns Converse.[/quote]

    Correct…on the Eastbay website, you can purchase the Marquette gear which is listed with the SOD Nike gear.[/quote]

    do you have a link, i’ve been looking to get some of that marquette gear

  • Ricko | January 26, 2009 at 11:13 am |

    Meant to mention that Minnesota Swarm (National Lacrosse League) have new jerseys this year with a big mosquito, their alternate logo, now on chest instead of the “Swarm” wordmark. But that’s not why I mention them. On the back, in the same font and color as the NOB, they also now all have “WELLS FARGO” below their number and above the hem stripe (sorry, no screen grabs and couldn’t find a photo online).

    Is such a thing common in NLL?
    Or is this another harbinger of the coming uni-apocalypse?

    —Ricko

  • joe | January 26, 2009 at 11:16 am |

    [quote comment=”311796″][quote comment=”311793″][quote comment=”311763″]maybe Texas is remembering the JFK shooting with the new helmet, it does look like the back of their heads were blown off.[/quote]
    TOO SOON!!![/quote]

    Ouch!!! There will never be a time when that ISN’T too soon.[/quote]

    its never too soon, sacred cows make the best burgers.

  • Bizzle | January 26, 2009 at 11:23 am |

    [quote comment=”311754″][quote comment=”311752″]is it actually a given that the rangers will wear this in game play?[/quote]

    That is the current plan, yes. We’ll see if the shitstorm of ridicule that’s sure to follow will be enough to shame them out of it.[/quote]

    I live here in Arlington and there is already talk about it being taken out because there was just a hupe uproar at all the media outlets here. They actually mentioned the harsh reaction over it at the Fan Fest and said, “We might go back to the drawing board because this was a move was for the fans and out first goal is to make the fans happy…”

    So this just shows you how in touch Tom Hicks is with his fans. Plus, their first goal should be signing pitchers and not trading away all of our farm talent so we could win sometimes.

  • Paul Lukas | January 26, 2009 at 11:24 am |

    [quote comment=”311800″][quote comment=”311796″][quote comment=”311793″][quote comment=”311763″]maybe Texas is remembering the JFK shooting with the new helmet, it does look like the back of their heads were blown off.[/quote]
    TOO SOON!!![/quote]

    Ouch!!! There will never be a time when that ISN’T too soon.[/quote]

    its never too soon, sacred cows make the best burgers.[/quote]

    True story: On Saturday night, a few hours after the Uni Watch party, I went out and saw the Muffs, who were playing at Southpaw. This one guy in the crowd was calling out for one of their songs, “I Need a Face,” which prompted frontwoman Kim Shattuck to say, “You know, soon after Kurt Cobain died, we were about to play ‘I Need a Face’ and I dedicated it to him, and man, that joke went over like a fart in church. Too soon, too soon.”

  • Geeman | January 26, 2009 at 11:25 am |

    [quote comment=”311763″]maybe Texas is remembering the JFK shooting with the new helmet, it does look like the back of their heads were blown off.[/quote]

    That’s the most absurd comment I have ever seen on this blog.

  • MPowers1634 | January 26, 2009 at 11:29 am |

    [quote comment=”311798″][quote comment=”311785″][quote comment=”311778″][quote comment=”311766″]Correct me if I’m wrong, here, but isn’t Marquette a Converse school?
    The Converse star is on the shorts:
    http://espn.go.com/n...

    So, why is this guy wearing Nike socks with Converse shoes?
    http://espn.go.com/n...

    Could there be a violation, there?[/quote]

    Nike owns Converse.[/quote]

    Correct…on the Eastbay website, you can purchase the Marquette gear which is listed with the SOD Nike gear.[/quote]

    do you have a link, i’ve been looking to get some of that marquette gear[/quote]

    It’s actually a P.I.T.A. to link to eastbay, so I’ll give you a trail of bread crumbs:

    1. Eastbay.com
    2. Click on the tab that reads, “Fan Gear”
    3. On the left side of the screen, navigate the NCAA selection window.
    4. There will be your Marguette gear!

    There seems to be a problem though…The Marquette shorts are gone, so check here:

    http://shop.marquett...

  • pk | January 26, 2009 at 11:30 am |

    [quote comment=”311793″][quote comment=”311763″]maybe Texas is remembering the JFK shooting with the new helmet, it does look like the back of their heads were blown off.[/quote]
    TOO SOON!!![/quote]

    JFK is finally funny, since it has been over 22.3 years

  • Kek | January 26, 2009 at 11:34 am |

    [quote comment=”311796″][quote comment=”311793″][quote comment=”311763″]maybe Texas is remembering the JFK shooting with the new helmet, it does look like the back of their heads were blown off.[/quote]
    TOO SOON!!![/quote]

    Ouch!!! There will never be a time when that ISN’T too soon.[/quote]
    I need to see this play like I need a hole…. wait, wrong president.

    And why is it there are never any tastless jokes about McKinley or Garfield?

    I digress…

    …the real reason for my post is that I’m wondering where you guys get the photos that show the MLB fonts like the Texas one today and someone posted the Pirates way back. Is there a website that has all those handy or is that something you have to buy the MLB Style Guide to get?

  • Ricko | January 26, 2009 at 11:39 am |

    [quote comment=”311802″][quote comment=”311800″][quote comment=”311796″][quote comment=”311793″][quote comment=”311763″]maybe Texas is remembering the JFK shooting with the new helmet, it does look like the back of their heads were blown off.[/quote]
    TOO SOON!!![/quote]

    Ouch!!! There will never be a time when that ISN’T too soon.[/quote]

    its never too soon, sacred cows make the best burgers.[/quote]

    True story: On Saturday night, a few hours after the Uni Watch party, I went out and saw the Muffs, who were playing at Southpaw. This one guy in the crowd was calling out for one of their songs, “I Need a Face,” which prompted frontwoman Kim Shattuck to say, “You know, soon after Kurt Cobain died, we were about to play ‘I Need a Face’ and I dedicated it to him, and man, that joke went over like a fart in church. Too soon, too soon.”[/quote]

    Yeah, there’s nothing funnier than a good Caylee Anthony knee-slapper, is there.

    Generally speaking, if you think something you say will be distasteful you’re probably right. And, if you go ahead and say it, you can’t criticize your critics cuz, well, you knew it going in.

  • Scott Little | January 26, 2009 at 11:40 am |

    The Pony socks are cool.

  • Tony In Erie | January 26, 2009 at 11:44 am |

    I know there’s probably a lot of group think with Paul’s post, but I like the Pirates new unis. Yeah, the reason for sleeves is dumb, but whatever. At this point, I’ll take any reason to believe in a successful season.

    *shakes head*

    …so this is what its come to, fellow Pirates fans? our “reason to believe” is because of a uniform change?

    i really wonder if i should give up and be an indians fan.

    *cries in the corner*

  • u2-horn | January 26, 2009 at 11:44 am |

    [quote comment=”311803″][quote comment=”311763″]maybe Texas is remembering the JFK shooting with the new helmet, it does look like the back of their heads were blown off.[/quote]

    That’s the most absurd comment I have ever seen on this blog.[/quote]

    Congrats to Bryan R. for finally being let off the hook.

    :D

  • Duck | January 26, 2009 at 11:45 am |

    [quote comment=”311807″][quote comment=”311802″][quote comment=”311800″][quote comment=”311796″][quote comment=”311793″][quote comment=”311763″]maybe Texas is remembering the JFK shooting with the new helmet, it does look like the back of their heads were blown off.[/quote]
    TOO SOON!!![/quote]

    Ouch!!! There will never be a time when that ISN’T too soon.[/quote]

    its never too soon, sacred cows make the best burgers.[/quote]

    True story: On Saturday night, a few hours after the Uni Watch party, I went out and saw the Muffs, who were playing at Southpaw. This one guy in the crowd was calling out for one of their songs, “I Need a Face,” which prompted frontwoman Kim Shattuck to say, “You know, soon after Kurt Cobain died, we were about to play ‘I Need a Face’ and I dedicated it to him, and man, that joke went over like a fart in church. Too soon, too soon.”[/quote]

    Yeah, there’s nothing funnier than a good Caylee Anthony knee-slapper, is there.

    Generally speaking, if you think something you say will be distasteful you’re probably right. And, if you go ahead and say it, you can’t criticize your critics cuz, well, you knew it going in.[/quote]

    Story of my life, man. When you live in a glass house, and that house is full of dead bodies, well…

  • smitty | January 26, 2009 at 11:51 am |

    wait a second here; are you saying there’s a professional baseball team in Pittsburgh? who knew?

  • OakdalePanther | January 26, 2009 at 11:58 am |

    I went to Piratefest yesterday and saw the new unis in the team store. Thoughts:

    1) Bye, bye, red. Good riddance. Some collector was buying up all of the red sleeveless tops in the game-worn store. WTF!

    2) The new whites and grays are OK, rather unspectacular, but the piping is a nice touch. They harken to the style of the early ’50s, which was one of the worst eras in team history. So I don’t understand management’s “back to the (winning) future” with that move. It was an insane remark on face value.

    3) I really like the black alternates. Simple, yet colorful.

    4) $36 for an official on-field lid these days? I’ll stick with the $20 slouch cap!

    Question for the authentic jersey buyers: What’s your preference, the regular knits or the cool-base models? For sitting at a ballgame on a hot summer day, the ventilated one might be better. What holds up better, wash after wash?

  • Pete Puma | January 26, 2009 at 11:58 am |

    Bradley wore 1985-86 throwbacks against Indiana State on Saturday night. Simple design, classic look.

    http://www.pjstar.co...

  • ChicagoGuy | January 26, 2009 at 12:10 pm |

    At one time the White Sox held the record for most uniform changes, but they’ve settled down since moving to new Comiskey.

    Glad to see that someone else appreciates the idea of having the nickname/logo on home uni’s for baseball and the city or location on the roadies.

    The link to the 1967 baseball rosters-at that time, only three teams in Arizona and one of those was in Tucson. Truly, a different era.

  • John | January 26, 2009 at 12:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”311754″][quote comment=”311752″]is it actually a given that the rangers will wear this in game play?[/quote]

    That is the current plan, yes. We’ll see if the shitstorm of ridicule that’s sure to follow will be enough to shame them out of it.[/quote]
    I don’t know maybe they can be used in the next sci-fi porn spoof or something?

  • Chad | January 26, 2009 at 12:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”311811″][quote comment=”311807″][quote comment=”311802″][quote comment=”311800″][quote comment=”311796″][quote comment=”311793″][quote comment=”311763″]maybe Texas is remembering the JFK shooting with the new helmet, it does look like the back of their heads were blown off.[/quote]
    TOO SOON!!![/quote]

    Ouch!!! There will never be a time when that ISN’T too soon.[/quote]

    its never too soon, sacred cows make the best burgers.[/quote]

    True story: On Saturday night, a few hours after the Uni Watch party, I went out and saw the Muffs, who were playing at Southpaw. This one guy in the crowd was calling out for one of their songs, “I Need a Face,” which prompted frontwoman Kim Shattuck to say, “You know, soon after Kurt Cobain died, we were about to play ‘I Need a Face’ and I dedicated it to him, and man, that joke went over like a fart in church. Too soon, too soon.”[/quote]

    Yeah, there’s nothing funnier than a good Caylee Anthony knee-slapper, is there.

    Generally speaking, if you think something you say will be distasteful you’re probably right. And, if you go ahead and say it, you can’t criticize your critics cuz, well, you knew it going in.[/quote]

    Story of my life, man. When you live in a glass house, and that house is full of dead bodies, well…[/quote]

    http://l.yimg.com/g/...

  • Chad | January 26, 2009 at 12:13 pm |
  • Kek | January 26, 2009 at 12:14 pm |

    i really wonder if i should give up and be an indians fan.

    Say it ain’t so Tony! (Although, being in Erie, you kind of could get away with it).

    Just be like me and refuse to put one cent towards that team, whether it be tickets, merch, whatever, until they make a serious commitment to SOMETHING resembling winning baseball.

    As for PirateFest, I’m curious of the big crowds. I tend to think there is a loyal, albeit dwindling, base that supports the team through thick and thin, but after reading the story in the PG over the weekend about the fans grilling management in the Q&A, well, I wonder if people in the burgh used the off week before the Super Bowl to vent.

    $36?!?! That’s what New Era on-field caps are going for these days?!?! Is that just the regular model (i.e. no special patches that add $10)? My God, the ASG and WS caps are going to be $50 before we know it.

    My wife and I were at Dick’s yesterday. She purchased a Polamalu women’s jersey and we were discussing prices changes. I recalled when I worked in retail that Steelers’ replicas were $49.99 and now they are $74.99. I also added my opinion that the quality of the replica is much better than it was before. At the beginning of the jersey craze, you had companies like Wilson, Champion, Starter, Apex One, etc putting out some pretty crappy merch. I know it’s probably blasphemy to say this in here but I really saw the quality increase when Nike got into the game and it continued with Reebok. I don’t mind the $75-80 price range with the improved quality of the product. Had the quality stayed the same, I’d be griping. (FYI, those novelty Super Bowl jerseys are freaking horrible looking, yet you wouldn’t believe how many people had them in their hands)

    To my longwinded point on the caps, aside from the 3-D laser stitching and the MLB logo on the back, what the hell has changed with the on field hat? It’s a wool baseball cap!

    Side question to the person that attended PirateFest, just curious, what was the clearance price on the red vests?

  • interlockingtc | January 26, 2009 at 12:15 pm |

    I agree with Jeff @21, those Baseball Digest illustrations are superb. Artistic liberties in pulp.

    The five fingered elf?: sad, really.

    I too am a fan of Phil’s Coyotes sweater; not the striping, necessarily, but that great, original logo.

  • cah | January 26, 2009 at 12:18 pm |
  • LI Phil | January 26, 2009 at 12:18 pm |

    [quote]i really wonder if i should give up and be an indians fan[/quote]

    isn’t that reduntant?

  • jesse | January 26, 2009 at 12:21 pm |

    Kek, for what it’s worth, the on field caps aren’t wool anymore.

  • Tony In Erie | January 26, 2009 at 12:22 pm |

    Kek,

    I can’t help it. Seriously, these sort of comments…

    wait a second here; are you saying there’s a professional baseball team in Pittsburgh? who knew?

    make me want to vomit. I’m still crying.

    …in other news, the Pirates next step to “championship baseball”, signing Barry Bonds to a one year deal, provided, of course, that he accepts to live with the Million Dollar Arm twins.

    Ridiculous? Of course. So is saying “lets brainwash the fans into thinking we’re really serious about fielding competitive baseball by putting sleeves on our jerseys.”

  • Patrick | January 26, 2009 at 12:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”311743″][quote comment=”311742″]A uniform change is always exciting news – with one major exception – The Texas Rangers – no team seems to change their uni more consistently than the Rangers – and they’re all un-memorable. They’ve never been ugly – but nothing ever stands out. [/quote]

    Agreed. Nearly 40 years and zero sense of visual identity. They’re like a big, bland suburb — inoffensive but characterless.[/quote]

    Which, in a way, is perfect for them since they play in a big, bland suburb.

    In regards to the JFK comment – I actually drive over the “X” in Dealy Plaza on my way to work every day. Just thought I’d throw that out for no reason.

  • Chad | January 26, 2009 at 12:22 pm |

    for the hockey wing. saw some of gordie howe’s last ASG on the tv at the bar the other day. the jerseys were made by Robe di Kappa. did they make jerseys for teams, or was it just an all star thing?

  • jesse | January 26, 2009 at 12:23 pm |

    Evidently, MLB Properties has never read the 45 rules, especially the one about the drop back shadowing.

  • Ricko | January 26, 2009 at 12:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”311815″]At one time the White Sox held the record for most uniform changes, but they’ve settled down since moving to new Comiskey.

    Glad to see that someone else appreciates the idea of having the nickname/logo on home uni’s for baseball and the city or location on the roadies.

    The link to the 1967 baseball rosters-at that time, only three teams in Arizona and one of those was in Tucson. Truly, a different era.[/quote]

    Another indicator of Ol Eddie’s theory that everything started going to hell after Armstrong and them brought back them damn MOON ROCKS in ’69. Double knits, the DH, stripes on cleats, high stirrups, batting gloves, pine tar, five starters instead of four, closers, set-up men…

    Moon rocks. Need to put ’em on a rocket and send ’em back where they came from.

    Hrummph.

  • Tony In Erie | January 26, 2009 at 12:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”311822″][quote]i really wonder if i should give up and be an indians fan[/quote]

    isn’t that reduntant?[/quote]

    Come to think of it…

  • Luke | January 26, 2009 at 12:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”311812″]wait a second here; are you saying there’s a professional baseball team in Pittsburgh? who knew?[/quote]

    Good one. It’s that same ignorance that keeps ANY Pirate game from drawing 1/10th the excitement that is generated at a Steeler or Penguin game.

  • pk | January 26, 2009 at 12:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”311822″][quote]i really wonder if i should give up and be an indians fan[/quote]

    isn’t that reduntant?[/quote]

    No, Indians at least made 2 WS in the last 15 years…and Pirates fans know Sid Bream will always have a special place in destroying that franchise

  • Flying Scotch Bottle | January 26, 2009 at 12:27 pm |

    Two things:

    The Pirates new ones can, in some ways, be forgiven. They have the ugliest non-expansion team colors in MLB. Add with that goofy “throwback” or “traditional” font they insist on still using(yawn) and how much better could they do? Sometimes you started with a good uni and sometimes you’re the Pirates. It’s just an old franchise that seems to keep playing a bad uni hand. Over and over and over, etc.

    Seriously, I have an MA in Aesthetic Philosophy(yes, they exist) and BLACK AND YELLOW!!?? It’s a crime. This aggression should not stand.

    And two:

    We wore Roo’s when I ran cross country and track in high school. I distinctly remember that our CC coach got them for the varsity team because he could both order a choice of two-tone color schemes(we were navy blue and white) AND they had pocket in the tongue with a velcro closure. He liked that we could all keep a key or two in there, leave stuff in our lockers, and didn’t have to drag too much gear around.

    Abidingly.

  • pk | January 26, 2009 at 12:28 pm |

    saying that he would rather become an Islanders fan…now that’s the same feeling

  • Kek | January 26, 2009 at 12:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”311824″]Kek, for what it’s worth, the on field caps aren’t wool anymore.[/quote]
    well shit, shows you what I know!!! But really, whatever it’s made out of can’t be worth $36! When they were selling for $24.99 ten years ago the markup was insane, can’t imagine what it is now.

  • Teebz | January 26, 2009 at 12:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”311827″]for the hockey wing. saw some of gordie howe’s last ASG on the tv at the bar the other day. the jerseys were made by Robe di Kappa. did they make jerseys for teams, or was it just an all star thing?[/quote]

    I actually stated this on my blog on Friday.

    They were one-offs for the All-Star Game, it appears. However, the 1980s had everyone under the sun making hockey jerseys as there was no league-wide contract at that time. Nike made jerseys for the Oilers, as an example.

    How they got involved with the NHL had to have been the NHL approaching them.

  • Flying Scotch Bottle | January 26, 2009 at 12:30 pm |

    Oooooh–just realized I may have opened a Pandora’s Box of commentary on non-expansion team color’s. Sorry.

    To head it off, they’re mostly red, white and or blue anyway.

  • Chad | January 26, 2009 at 12:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”311836″][quote comment=”311827″]for the hockey wing. saw some of gordie howe’s last ASG on the tv at the bar the other day. the jerseys were made by Robe di Kappa. did they make jerseys for teams, or was it just an all star thing?[/quote]

    I actually stated this on my blog on Friday.

    They were one-offs for the All-Star Game, it appears. However, the 1980s had everyone under the sun making hockey jerseys as there was no league-wide contract at that time. Nike made jerseys for the Oilers, as an example.

    How they got involved with the NHL had to have been the NHL approaching them.[/quote]

    thanks

  • Kek | January 26, 2009 at 12:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”311837″]Oooooh–just realized I may have opened a Pandora’s Box of commentary on non-expansion team color’s. Sorry.

    To head it off, they’re mostly red, white and or blue anyway.[/quote]
    Yeah master’s degree, you also may have opened a pandora’s box on insulting the colors associated with a city with a pretty rabid fan base.

  • Tony In Erie | January 26, 2009 at 12:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”311831″][quote comment=”311812″]wait a second here; are you saying there’s a professional baseball team in Pittsburgh? who knew?[/quote]

    Good one. It’s that same ignorance that keeps ANY Pirate game from drawing 1/10th the excitement that is generated at a Steeler or Penguin game.[/quote]

    I dunno if “ignorance” is the right way to explain that comment, Luke…I think it might be best summed up as…

    “semi-realistic”

  • Teebz | January 26, 2009 at 12:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”311838″]
    thanks[/quote]

    Anytime, Chad! The Hockey Wing is always open for business. :o)

  • Teebz | January 26, 2009 at 12:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”311839″][quote comment=”311837″]Oooooh–just realized I may have opened a Pandora’s Box of commentary on non-expansion team color’s. Sorry.

    To head it off, they’re mostly red, white and or blue anyway.[/quote]
    Yeah master’s degree, you also may have opened a pandora’s box on insulting the colors associated with a city with a pretty rabid fan base.[/quote]

    Since only the Steelers and Pirates use black and yellow, there’s one less fanbase who takes offence. LOL

  • Tony In Erie | January 26, 2009 at 12:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”311842″][quote comment=”311839″][quote comment=”311837″]Oooooh–just realized I may have opened a Pandora’s Box of commentary on non-expansion team color’s. Sorry.

    To head it off, they’re mostly red, white and or blue anyway.[/quote]
    Yeah master’s degree, you also may have opened a pandora’s box on insulting the colors associated with a city with a pretty rabid fan base.[/quote]

    Since only the Steelers and Pirates use black and yellow, there’s one less fanbase who takes offence. LOL[/quote]

    I still say switching to that blue and white is a way better move for the Pens. Back to red white and blue for the Bucs, and give the Steelers back their block lettering.

    Then again, why take away a fan’s right to only own one black and yellow shirt so he can wear it to all three teams games!

    City of Champions, nah…wise, economical people…maybe

  • Teebz | January 26, 2009 at 12:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”311843″]
    I still say switching to that blue and white is a way better move for the Pens. Back to red white and blue for the Bucs, and give the Steelers back their block lettering.

    Then again, why take away a fan’s right to only own one black and yellow shirt so he can wear it to all three teams games!

    City of Champions, nah…wise, economical people…maybe[/quote]

    I was referring more towards the BS “Vegas gold” colour the Penguins use.

    Go back to the black-and-yellow from the Lemieux/Stanley Cup days, dammit!

  • The Hemogoblin | January 26, 2009 at 12:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”311842″][quote comment=”311839″][quote comment=”311837″]Oooooh–just realized I may have opened a Pandora’s Box of commentary on non-expansion team color’s. Sorry.

    To head it off, they’re mostly red, white and or blue anyway.[/quote]
    Yeah master’s degree, you also may have opened a pandora’s box on insulting the colors associated with a city with a pretty rabid fan base.[/quote]

    Since only the Steelers and Pirates use black and yellow, there’s one less fanbase who takes offence. LOL[/quote]

    Hockey Wing card revocation time:

    The Penguins.

  • pk | January 26, 2009 at 12:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”311842″][quote comment=”311839″][quote comment=”311837″]Oooooh–just realized I may have opened a Pandora’s Box of commentary on non-expansion team color’s. Sorry.

    To head it off, they’re mostly red, white and or blue anyway.[/quote]
    Yeah master’s degree, you also may have opened a pandora’s box on insulting the colors associated with a city with a pretty rabid fan base.[/quote]

    Since only the Steelers and Pirates use black and yellow, there’s one less fanbase who takes offence. LOL[/quote]

    I take it you do not like bees….and BTW mr. Masters Degree….black and yellow are my 2 fave colors…

  • Kek | January 26, 2009 at 12:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”311844″][quote comment=”311843″]
    I still say switching to that blue and white is a way better move for the Pens. Back to red white and blue for the Bucs, and give the Steelers back their block lettering.

    Then again, why take away a fan’s right to only own one black and yellow shirt so he can wear it to all three teams games!

    City of Champions, nah…wise, economical people…maybe[/quote]

    I was referring more towards the BS “Vegas gold” colour the Penguins use.

    Go back to the black-and-yellow from the Lemieux/Stanley Cup days, dammit![/quote]
    Amen to that!

    Yellow alts complete with the yellow helmets…..nah, that’s probably asking too much!

  • Kek | January 26, 2009 at 12:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”311846″][quote comment=”311842″][quote comment=”311839″][quote comment=”311837″]Oooooh–just realized I may have opened a Pandora’s Box of commentary on non-expansion team color’s. Sorry.

    To head it off, they’re mostly red, white and or blue anyway.[/quote]
    Yeah master’s degree, you also may have opened a pandora’s box on insulting the colors associated with a city with a pretty rabid fan base.[/quote]

    Since only the Steelers and Pirates use black and yellow, there’s one less fanbase who takes offence. LOL[/quote]

    I take it you do not like bees….and BTW mr. Masters Degree….black and yellow are my 2 fave colors…[/quote]
    I’ll beat the master’s degree to it…you do realized that technically black isn’t a color, it’s the absence of light! LOL!!!

  • Teebz | January 26, 2009 at 12:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”311846″]
    I take it you do not like bees….and BTW mr. Masters Degree….black and yellow are my 2 fave colors…[/quote]

    Bees are irrelevant in this conversation. They rarely change their jersey designs.

  • GregD | January 26, 2009 at 12:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”311795″][quote comment=”311787″]And just saw the Sheep Station pictures. Would the man in the Princeton hoodie please stand up and take a bow? That is the coolest thing I have ever seen. Either great purchase, or well done on the DIY front.[/quote]

    Thanks, Mike…it was a DIY that was inspired by all of the great stuff that I’ve seen profiled on the site before me.

    Here’s a shot of the back:

    http://i256.photobuc...

    I’m actually working on another one as we speak.
    [/quote]
    Keith Elias – Really? What’s the new one, Michael Lerch, Dean Cain, or most importantly John Neid?
    Seriously, nice work, I went scrmapling to see where to purchase until I read all of the comments. Do you do work for hire?

  • Flying Scotch Bottle | January 26, 2009 at 12:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”311842″][quote comment=”311839″][quote comment=”311837″]Oooooh–just realized I may have opened a Pandora’s Box of commentary on non-expansion team color’s. Sorry.

    To head it off, they’re mostly red, white and or blue anyway.[/quote]
    Yeah master’s degree, you also may have opened a pandora’s box on insulting the colors associated with a city with a pretty rabid fan base.[/quote]

    Since only the Steelers and Pirates use black and yellow, there’s one less fanbase who takes offence. LOL[/quote]

    Have to admit–also grew up in Erie and therefore must swear allegiance to either Pittsburgh, Buffalo or Cleveland. Unfortunately, I cam from a long line of Clevelanders.

    Fixed that problem by moving to Philly 15 years ago. HA!

    I have always liked the Pitt. use of black, what with the whole, coal/steel thing they got going on. I just think they could use an update on the fonts, etc. They all kind of look the same at this point.

  • jesse | January 26, 2009 at 12:54 pm |

    Out of curiousity, is Pittsburgh the only city with professional sports teams where all it’s teams have similar color schemes “black and gold/yellow” ? Was this by design or coincidence?

  • The Oakville Endive | January 26, 2009 at 12:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”311800″][quote comment=”311796″][quote comment=”311793″][quote comment=”311763″]maybe Texas is remembering the JFK shooting with the new helmet, it does look like the back of their heads were blown off.[/quote]
    TOO SOON!!![/quote]

    Ouch!!! There will never be a time when that ISN’T too soon.[/quote].

    its never too soon, sacred cows make the best burgers.[/quote]
    While my first reaction was this comment crossed the line (it’s no worst than some jokes on SNL) – I have to admit, I then laughed

    It’s kind of ironic for a team stuck in uniform banality for 40 yrs, to inadvertently design this butt ugly helmet – that mistakenly symbolizes such a horrific event. If this view could become more wide spread, it would be doing a service , as it would probably be the final nail in the coffin, to ensure it never sees the light of day – and the Rangers can get back to their uniform comfort zone of being the equivalent of a retired accountants convention.

  • Teebz | January 26, 2009 at 12:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”311852″]Out of curiousity, is Pittsburgh the only city with professional sports teams where all it’s teams have similar color schemes “black and gold/yellow” ? Was this by design or coincidence?[/quote]

    By design. The Penguins were originally blue and white.

    The Penguins applied with the NHL to change their colours to match the other pro sports teams in Pittsburgh, and the Boston Bruins threw a hissy-fit as they claimed the Penguins were infringing on their “recognizable and distinguishing” colour scheme.

    It went to court, the Bruins lost because colours cannot be copyrighted, and the city of Pittsburgh had three matching pro teams.

  • Flying Scotch Bottle | January 26, 2009 at 12:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”311848″][quote comment=”311846″][quote comment=”311842″][quote comment=”311839″][quote comment=”311837″]Oooooh–just realized I may have opened a Pandora’s Box of commentary on non-expansion team color’s. Sorry.

    To head it off, they’re mostly red, white and or blue anyway.[/quote]
    Yeah master’s degree, you also may have opened a pandora’s box on insulting the colors associated with a city with a pretty rabid fan base.[/quote]

    Since only the Steelers and Pirates use black and yellow, there’s one less fanbase who takes offence. LOL[/quote]

    I take it you do not like bees….and BTW mr. Masters Degree….black and yellow are my 2 fave colors…[/quote]
    I’ll beat the master’s degree to it…you do realized that technically black isn’t a color, it’s the absence of light! LOL!!![/quote]

    Yeah, I wasn’t allowed to study black. Bummer. Maybe we should eliminate discussion of it from this blog, since it’s not a color. Or is it presence of all colors?

  • Stuby | January 26, 2009 at 1:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”311854″][quote comment=”311852″]Out of curiousity, is Pittsburgh the only city with professional sports teams where all it’s teams have similar color schemes “black and gold/yellow” ? Was this by design or coincidence?[/quote]

    By design. The Penguins were originally blue and white.

    The Penguins applied with the NHL to change their colours to match the other pro sports teams in Pittsburgh, and the Boston Bruins threw a hissy-fit as they claimed the Penguins were infringing on their “recognizable and distinguishing” colour scheme.

    It went to court, the Bruins lost because colours cannot be copyrighted, and the city of Pittsburgh had three matching pro teams.[/quote]
    Didn’t all the teams take the colors of the city flag? Or is that a myth?

    http://www.usflags.c...

  • jesse | January 26, 2009 at 1:01 pm |

    Teebz, most appreciated. Thanks. Have any other cities/franchises ever considered doing this?

  • Teebz | January 26, 2009 at 1:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”311856″][quote comment=”311854″][quote comment=”311852″]Out of curiousity, is Pittsburgh the only city with professional sports teams where all it’s teams have similar color schemes “black and gold/yellow” ? Was this by design or coincidence?[/quote]

    By design. The Penguins were originally blue and white.

    The Penguins applied with the NHL to change their colours to match the other pro sports teams in Pittsburgh, and the Boston Bruins threw a hissy-fit as they claimed the Penguins were infringing on their “recognizable and distinguishing” colour scheme.

    It went to court, the Bruins lost because colours cannot be copyrighted, and the city of Pittsburgh had three matching pro teams.[/quote]
    Didn’t all the teams take the colors of the city flag? Or is that a myth?

    http://www.usflags.c...

    I believe that’s the case for the Pirates and Steelers, but I could be wrong. The Penguins’ baby blue and white, though? Not so much. LOL

  • Dave | January 26, 2009 at 1:03 pm |

    man, this is GREAT news about the Sixers. i was driving by the wachovia center just yesterday and venting to my buddy how the Sixers really need to adjust their look, especially with their current use of the old school logo and color scheme in their advertisements. not to mention, this change is LONG overdue with AI leaving the team and it being 12 years since any logo/uniform overhaul has been made. i’m giddy. about damn time.

  • Ricko | January 26, 2009 at 1:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”311852″]Out of curiousity, is Pittsburgh the only city with professional sports teams where all it’s teams have similar color schemes “black and gold/yellow” ? Was this by design or coincidence?[/quote]

    Aren’t New York City’s official colors royal and orange, or at least blue and orange? Hence the Knicks and Mets color choices?

    I know for a fact that’s why New York Raiders of the WHA wore royal and orange. I was in the room when they made the decision.

    I seem to remember hearing or reading somewhere long ago that the Jets might have gone to blue and orange when they morphed from the Titans, but because Broncos already had gone to those colors—and because they wanted to kinda hint at the Colts cuz they’d hired Weeb Ewbank—they opted for Kelly and White.

    —Ricko

  • pk | January 26, 2009 at 1:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”311849″][quote comment=”311846″]
    I take it you do not like bees….and BTW mr. Masters Degree….black and yellow are my 2 fave colors…[/quote]

    Bees are irrelevant in this conversation. They rarely change their jersey designs.[/quote]

    (now uni worthy)

    Hey teebz…why haven’t you brought up the Pirates Hockey from way back when?

    http://www.slbees.co...

  • Kek | January 26, 2009 at 1:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”311858″][quote comment=”311856″][quote comment=”311854″][quote comment=”311852″]Out of curiousity, is Pittsburgh the only city with professional sports teams where all it’s teams have similar color schemes “black and gold/yellow” ? Was this by design or coincidence?[/quote]

    By design. The Penguins were originally blue and white.

    The Penguins applied with the NHL to change their colours to match the other pro sports teams in Pittsburgh, and the Boston Bruins threw a hissy-fit as they claimed the Penguins were infringing on their “recognizable and distinguishing” colour scheme.

    It went to court, the Bruins lost because colours cannot be copyrighted, and the city of Pittsburgh had three matching pro teams.[/quote]
    Didn’t all the teams take the colors of the city flag? Or is that a myth?

    http://www.usflags.c...

    I believe that’s the case for the Pirates and Steelers, but I could be wrong. The Penguins’ baby blue and white, though? Not so much. LOL[/quote]
    Actually, Teebz, wasn’t the reason the Pens’ won that case against the Bruins because they proved they actually had black/yellow FIRST as the Pittsburgh Pirates (hockey verison)? So yes, they made the switch at the height of the “city of champs” days, but the city had a black and yellow history long before then.

    The Pens’ mid-season switch was pretty unique and in the context of things, just as laughable as the pirates going to back to sleeves to harken “championship baseball”. The Pens were the laughingstock of the city at the time, in fact this futility led them to be able to draft #66 in the first place.

  • Paul Lukas | January 26, 2009 at 1:14 pm |

    Question: Has any QB gone longer between Super Bowl starts than Kurt Warner, who’ll be making his first SB start in seven years?

    Yes, I could research this, but I’m wondering if anyone knows of the top of their head.

  • Patrick | January 26, 2009 at 1:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”311833″]Two things:

    The Pirates new ones can, in some ways, be forgiven. They have the ugliest non-expansion team colors in MLB. Add with that goofy “throwback” or “traditional” font they insist on still using(yawn) and how much better could they do? Sometimes you started with a good uni and sometimes you’re the Pirates. It’s just an old franchise that seems to keep playing a bad uni hand. Over and over and over, etc.

    Seriously, I have an MA in Aesthetic Philosophy(yes, they exist) and BLACK AND YELLOW!!?? It’s a crime. This aggression should not stand.
    [/quote]

    What on earth is wrong with black and yellow? And for that matter, what’s wrong with the Pirates font? I’m neither from Pitt nor a Pirates fan, but they have fantastic home/away uniforms, sleeves or no sleeves. Simple and elegant and in the top 5 uniforms in baseball.

  • Kyle | January 26, 2009 at 1:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”311754″][quote comment=”311752″]is it actually a given that the rangers will wear this in game play?[/quote]

    That is the current plan, yes. We’ll see if the shitstorm of ridicule that’s sure to follow will be enough to shame them out of it.[/quote]

    I agree. Let’s do everything in UniWatch Nation’s power to have this join the 49ers “1 day helmet” design.

  • pk | January 26, 2009 at 1:15 pm |

    Pirates hockey
    http://en.wikipedia....

  • KickSave23 | January 26, 2009 at 1:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”311800″][quote comment=”311796″][quote comment=”311793″][quote comment=”311763″]maybe Texas is remembering the JFK shooting with the new helmet, it does look like the back of their heads were blown off.[/quote]
    TOO SOON!!![/quote]

    Ouch!!! There will never be a time when that ISN’T too soon.[/quote]

    its never too soon, sacred cows make the best burgers.[/quote]

    Not that I’m trying to criticize burgers, especially ones made from sacred cows, but wasn’t Kennedy actually shot in the throat, not in the head? Other than that, Mrs. Kennedy, how was the parade?

  • Kek | January 26, 2009 at 1:19 pm |

    Also, at various points in time, the baseball, football and hockey teams in Pittsburgh were know as the Pirates.

    There are examples of this being the case for two sports (st. Louis Cardinals, New York Giants), but can any other city say this about three (or more) sports?

  • Tony In Erie | January 26, 2009 at 1:19 pm |

    Elway went 11 years between Super Bowls that I know off the top of my head, Paul

  • Tony In Erie | January 26, 2009 at 1:20 pm |

    whoops meant 8

    8 is the new 11 according to my fingers

  • Kyle | January 26, 2009 at 1:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”311754″][quote comment=”311752″]is it actually a given that the rangers will wear this in game play?[/quote]

    That is the current plan, yes. We’ll see if the shitstorm of ridicule that’s sure to follow will be enough to shame them out of it.[/quote]

    Let’s see to it that this thing joins the 49ers “1 day helmet”. This is horrible. As bad as the Mets and Rockies helmets are, most casual fans don’t even know that they are two-tone. The colors are closer, and it just isn’t that obvious on TV… but this… oh my. Everyone watching will notice.

    Also, if the Rangers have one bright spot of design over the years, its the secondary badge logo they had during their red days. It was nice. Too bad they replaced it with the vanilla design that they have today.

  • Namhob | January 26, 2009 at 1:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”311856″][quote comment=”311854″][quote comment=”311852″]Out of curiousity, is Pittsburgh the only city with professional sports teams where all it’s teams have similar color schemes “black and gold/yellow” ? Was this by design or coincidence?[/quote]

    By design. The Penguins were originally blue and white.

    The Penguins applied with the NHL to change their colours to match the other pro sports teams in Pittsburgh, and the Boston Bruins threw a hissy-fit as they claimed the Penguins were infringing on their “recognizable and distinguishing” colour scheme.

    It went to court, the Bruins lost because colours cannot be copyrighted, and the city of Pittsburgh had three matching pro teams.[/quote]
    Didn’t all the teams take the colors of the city flag? Or is that a myth?

    http://www.usflags.c...
    I’m going to have to say myth busted. http://www.usflags.c...

  • Kek | January 26, 2009 at 1:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”311863″]Question: Has any QB gone longer between Super Bowl starts than Kurt Warner, who’ll be making his first SB start in seven years?

    Yes, I could research this, but I’m wondering if anyone knows of the top of their head.[/quote]
    Elway? Lost SB24, won SB32.

  • Flying Scotch Bottle | January 26, 2009 at 1:27 pm |

    [quote comment=\”311864\”][quote comment=\”311833\”]Two things:

    The Pirates new ones can, in some ways, be forgiven. They have the ugliest non-expansion team colors in MLB. Add with that goofy \”throwback\” or \”traditional\” font they insist on still using(yawn) and how much better could they do? Sometimes you started with a good uni and sometimes you\’re the Pirates. It\’s just an old franchise that seems to keep playing a bad uni hand. Over and over and over, etc.

    Seriously, I have an MA in Aesthetic Philosophy(yes, they exist) and BLACK AND YELLOW!!?? It\’s a crime. This aggression should not stand.
    [/quote]

    What on earth is wrong with black and yellow? And for that matter, what\’s wrong with the Pirates font? I\’m neither from Pitt nor a Pirates fan, but they have fantastic home/away uniforms, sleeves or no sleeves. Simple and elegant and in the top 5 uniforms in baseball.[/quote]

    I must admit–yellow is my purple, but solid black is REALLY brutal when combined with anything else. The contrast is so stark that you can\’t even see the shade of the color on the numbers, NOBS, etc. I think we have seen the Pitt. teams so long that we just accept it as familiar. Plus, you can see from their attempts to re-design, you don\’t get far with these colors, sleeves or no.

    Pirates font looks medieval. And a white outline on the cap? C\’mon. There are living designers out there.

  • Ed | January 26, 2009 at 1:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”311868″]There are examples of this being the case for two sports (st. Louis Cardinals, New York Giants), but can any other city say this about three (or more) sports?[/quote]

    Well, there’s the old saw about NY having the Mets, Nets, Jets, and Sets (old pro tennis team, IIRC) – but of course it don’t work no mo.

    ed

  • Stuby | January 26, 2009 at 1:28 pm |

    Just killing time during lunch and came across this great shot. Check out the star on the stirrup of Rusty Staub.

    http://www.thatsmybo...

    And just for the hell of it…

    http://www.thatsmybo...

  • Stuby | January 26, 2009 at 1:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”311872″][quote comment=”311856″][quote comment=”311854″][quote comment=”311852″]Out of curiousity, is Pittsburgh the only city with professional sports teams where all it’s teams have similar color schemes “black and gold/yellow” ? Was this by design or coincidence?[/quote]

    By design. The Penguins were originally blue and white.

    The Penguins applied with the NHL to change their colours to match the other pro sports teams in Pittsburgh, and the Boston Bruins threw a hissy-fit as they claimed the Penguins were infringing on their “recognizable and distinguishing” colour scheme.

    It went to court, the Bruins lost because colours cannot be copyrighted, and the city of Pittsburgh had three matching pro teams.[/quote]
    Didn’t all the teams take the colors of the city flag? Or is that a myth?

    http://www.usflags.c...
    I’m going to have to say myth busted. http://www.usflags.c...
    I, uh, meant all of the Pittsburgh teams.

  • Kek | January 26, 2009 at 1:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”311874″][quote comment=\”311864\”][quote comment=\”311833\”]Two things:

    The Pirates new ones can, in some ways, be forgiven. They have the ugliest non-expansion team colors in MLB. Add with that goofy \”throwback\” or \”traditional\” font they insist on still using(yawn) and how much better could they do? Sometimes you started with a good uni and sometimes you\’re the Pirates. It\’s just an old franchise that seems to keep playing a bad uni hand. Over and over and over, etc.

    Seriously, I have an MA in Aesthetic Philosophy(yes, they exist) and BLACK AND YELLOW!!?? It\’s a crime. This aggression should not stand.
    [/quote]

    What on earth is wrong with black and yellow? And for that matter, what\’s wrong with the Pirates font? I\’m neither from Pitt nor a Pirates fan, but they have fantastic home/away uniforms, sleeves or no sleeves. Simple and elegant and in the top 5 uniforms in baseball.[/quote]

    I must admit–yellow is my purple, but solid black is REALLY brutal when combined with anything else. The contrast is so stark that you can\’t even see the shade of the color on the numbers, NOBS, etc. I think we have seen the Pitt. teams so long that we just accept it as familiar. Plus, you can see from their attempts to re-design, you don\’t get far with these colors, sleeves or no.

    Pirates font looks medieval. And a white outline on the cap? C\’mon. There are living designers out there.[/quote]
    I’ll agree with you on the alt cap, pretty weak effort. Way too subtle, especially with what New Era is charging for hats these days! (Or more accurately, what retail outlets are marking up the product at).

    The whole alt uni (black jersey) is a weak effort. I personally believe that the Pirates knew how much the majority of people hated the red and they figured the lay fan would like whatever they trotted out in its place.

    As Lee Corso would say….not so fast my friend!

  • Patrick | January 26, 2009 at 1:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”311874″][quote comment=\”311864\”][quote comment=\”311833\”]Two things:

    The Pirates new ones can, in some ways, be forgiven. They have the ugliest non-expansion team colors in MLB. Add with that goofy \”throwback\” or \”traditional\” font they insist on still using(yawn) and how much better could they do? Sometimes you started with a good uni and sometimes you\’re the Pirates. It\’s just an old franchise that seems to keep playing a bad uni hand. Over and over and over, etc.

    Seriously, I have an MA in Aesthetic Philosophy(yes, they exist) and BLACK AND YELLOW!!?? It\’s a crime. This aggression should not stand.
    [/quote]

    What on earth is wrong with black and yellow? And for that matter, what\’s wrong with the Pirates font? I\’m neither from Pitt nor a Pirates fan, but they have fantastic home/away uniforms, sleeves or no sleeves. Simple and elegant and in the top 5 uniforms in baseball.[/quote]

    I must admit–yellow is my purple, but solid black is REALLY brutal when combined with anything else. The contrast is so stark that you can\’t even see the shade of the color on the numbers, NOBS, etc. I think we have seen the Pitt. teams so long that we just accept it as familiar. Plus, you can see from their attempts to re-design, you don\’t get far with these colors, sleeves or no.

    Pirates font looks medieval. And a white outline on the cap? C\’mon. There are living designers out there.[/quote]

    I’m with you on the stupid white outline on the alt cap – terrible.

  • Paul Lukas | January 26, 2009 at 1:43 pm |

    Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

  • Hott Rodd | January 26, 2009 at 1:46 pm |

    So I just saw that batting helmet on page 2 (can’t see flickr pics at work) MY GOD! That’s stupendously horrific.

    WTG Rangers.

  • Kevin G. | January 26, 2009 at 1:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”311873″][quote comment=”311863″]Question: Has any QB gone longer between Super Bowl starts than Kurt Warner, who’ll be making his first SB start in seven years?

    Yes, I could research this, but I’m wondering if anyone knows of the top of their head.[/quote]
    Elway? Lost SB24, won SB32.[/quote]
    Yes, I believe Elway is correct with 8 years. Craig Morton went 7 years between SB V with the Cowboys and SB XII with the Broncos. In those two starts, he had two of the worst games ever started by a QB in a Super Bowl.

  • Teebz | January 26, 2009 at 1:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”311862″]
    Actually, Teebz, wasn’t the reason the Pens’ won that case against the Bruins because they proved they actually had black/yellow FIRST as the Pittsburgh Pirates (hockey verison)? So yes, they made the switch at the height of the “city of champs” days, but the city had a black and yellow history long before then.

    The Pens’ mid-season switch was pretty unique and in the context of things, just as laughable as the pirates going to back to sleeves to harken “championship baseball”. The Pens were the laughingstock of the city at the time, in fact this futility led them to be able to draft #66 in the first place.[/quote]

    The Penguins actually canned that season to draft Lemieux by trading away anyone decent to get lower than the New Jersey Devils. They even sat anyone else who scored. Laughing stock? Maybe… but in the end, it worked.

    As for the colour thing, the reincarnations of Pittsburgh hockey – the Hornets, for example – were not black-and-yellow, so I can’t see how the NHL said “ok, you’re right”, especially since Boston had been black-and-yellow for 50+ years previous. BUT… I did find the story that matches your story, Kek.

    “How the hell can you own a color?” Bob Gessner, designer of the Penguins logo, protested at the time. “Red, white and blue were colors used by several teams. Why couldn’t we wear the same colors as the Bruins?”

    I had heard of the court story from a couple of people, but never could find any proof of it. Thanks for the update, Kek! :o)

  • zac p | January 26, 2009 at 1:59 pm |

    Pirates fans need to stop whining that one of their teams are losing. The Steelers are in the Super Bowl and the Penguins have a great goalie and two of the best players in the league. So what if one of your teams is mediocre.

    If you want bad, I’m gonna jump on the Bill Simmons bandwagon and say go move to Seattle. They’re basketball team with their new star player got ripped out from under them, the mariners suck, the Seahawks had another depressing season, and to all hockey wingers out there they don’t even have a team.

    and the weather sucks

  • zac p | January 26, 2009 at 2:00 pm |

    should be their not they’re

    my mistake

  • LI Phil | January 26, 2009 at 2:03 pm |

    nice article paul…perhaps its still not too late to start that shitstorm against the ranger lids…if only mets brass & majestic & mlb gave a half a damn, they’d recall every one of the pizzapatch jerseys and start fresh

    /we can dream, can’t we

  • Kek | January 26, 2009 at 2:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”311883″][quote comment=”311862″]
    Actually, Teebz, wasn’t the reason the Pens’ won that case against the Bruins because they proved they actually had black/yellow FIRST as the Pittsburgh Pirates (hockey verison)? So yes, they made the switch at the height of the “city of champs” days, but the city had a black and yellow history long before then.

    The Pens’ mid-season switch was pretty unique and in the context of things, just as laughable as the pirates going to back to sleeves to harken “championship baseball”. The Pens were the laughingstock of the city at the time, in fact this futility led them to be able to draft #66 in the first place.[/quote]

    The Penguins actually canned that season to draft Lemieux by trading away anyone decent to get lower than the New Jersey Devils. They even sat anyone else who scored. Laughing stock? Maybe… but in the end, it worked.

    As for the colour thing, the reincarnations of Pittsburgh hockey – the Hornets, for example – were not black-and-yellow, so I can’t see how the NHL said “ok, you’re right”, especially since Boston had been black-and-yellow for 50+ years previous. BUT… I did find the story that matches your story, Kek.

    “How the hell can you own a color?” Bob Gessner, designer of the Penguins logo, protested at the time. “Red, white and blue were colors used by several teams. Why couldn’t we wear the same colors as the Bruins?”

    I had heard of the court story from a couple of people, but never could find any proof of it. Thanks for the update, Kek! :o)[/quote]
    I had actually heard the story first from pittsburghhockey.net, specifically this page: http://pittsburghhoc...

    that’s an excellent site on all things pittsburgh hockey. Funny you bring up Bob Glessner because I’ve been trying to get in touch with him/verify he’s still alive because I’d like to interview him for UW. Aside from the Pens’ logo, he also designed the Pitt script and the smiling Buccaneer logo the Pirates used in the late 79s and early 80s. The owner of that site has been trying to get me in touch with Bob, but so far, no luck.

    Yeah, the Pens tanking that season is sort of a shameful part of the team’s history but you can’t argue with the result!

    My laughingstock comment was more geared towards the seasons in the early 80s that led up to that canned season. Man those were some poor teams! They used to come to Johnstown for exhibition games at the War Memorial and barely got 1,500 people to show (looked liked the opening scene in Slap Shot). Radio stations and bars had trouble giving tickets away.

    I’ve never actually done the research on this, but there was a time when the Pittsburgh Spirit of the Major Indoor Soccer League were actually a better draw at the Civic Arena then the Pens, and because of this there was talk of the Pens folding/being sold whatever, and keeping the Spirit. I’m thinking it was when the DeBartolos owned the Pens and maybe had part ownership of the arena itself, not 100% sure.

  • ProgMatinee | January 26, 2009 at 2:10 pm |

    I need to see the Rangers helmets in action. I’m a bit biased, but I think the 2 toned Rockies helmets are the best in the game.

  • Geeman | January 26, 2009 at 2:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”311880″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    The Rangers’ red helmets with blue jerseys looked pretty good — nice contrast, like a football uniform (see Maryland when it wears black jerseys) — but the combined helmet is horrid, agreed.

    Interesting how we find baseball uniforms of all one color (see 3 examples cited by Paul — O’s, Phils, A’s) — bad, but not so in basketball and not so much in football. I agree those uniforms looked bad (and you can add the A’s all-gold to that ensemble, along with the Pirates’ all-gold and all-black), but few things top the Rangers’ new helmet. Why not just wear a matching helmet with the caps?

  • Geeman | January 26, 2009 at 2:21 pm |

    Sorry, I mean see OLD Maryland when it wore black jerseys with red helmets, not the new Maryland with white helmets and black jerseys. For a current example of contrast, see Clemson with orange helmets and purple jerseys, or Texas Tech with black helmets and red jerseys.

  • War Damn Eagle | January 26, 2009 at 2:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”311852″]Out of curiousity, is Pittsburgh the only city with professional sports teams where all it’s teams have similar color schemes “black and gold/yellow” ? Was this by design or coincidence?[/quote]

    Montreal used to fit into this category with red/white/blue: Canadiens, Expos, Alouettes

  • Jeff P | January 26, 2009 at 2:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”311835″][quote comment=”311824″]Kek, for what it’s worth, the on field caps aren’t wool anymore.[/quote]
    well shit, shows you what I know!!! But really, whatever it’s made out of can’t be worth $36! When they were selling for $24.99 ten years ago the markup was insane, can’t imagine what it is now.[/quote]

    According to something that was on here a while ago, they’re $17 at cost.

  • J-Dub | January 26, 2009 at 2:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”311860″][quote comment=”311852″]Out of curiousity, is Pittsburgh the only city with professional sports teams where all it’s teams have similar color schemes “black and gold/yellow” ? Was this by design or coincidence?[/quote]

    Aren’t New York City’s official colors royal and orange, or at least blue and orange? Hence the Knicks and Mets color choices?

    I know for a fact that’s why New York Raiders of the WHA wore royal and orange. I was in the room when they made the decision.

    I seem to remember hearing or reading somewhere long ago that the Jets might have gone to blue and orange when they morphed from the Titans, but because Broncos already had gone to those colors—and because they wanted to kinda hint at the Colts cuz they’d hired Weeb Ewbank—they opted for Kelly and White.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    IIRC – Jets went to green and white for 2 reasons – (1) green to signify the combining of the Titan’s colors, and (2) because of the Leon Hess connection (his gas stations used the green and white color scheme). And as asnyone who ever worked there knows, HESS stood for “Holidays, Evenings, Saturdays, and Sundays” which was your original work schedule.

  • Geeman | January 26, 2009 at 2:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”311891″][quote comment=”311852″]Out of curiousity, is Pittsburgh the only city with professional sports teams where all it’s teams have similar color schemes “black and gold/yellow” ? Was this by design or coincidence?[/quote]

    Montreal used to fit into this category with red/white/blue: Canadiens, Expos, Alouettes[/quote]

    Metro New York: Mets, Islanders, Knicks are blue and orange; Yankees, Giants, Nets, and Rangers are red, white, and blue (counting red in the Yanks’ logo). Jets are the only stray cat.

    P.S. When the Nets move to Brooklyn, will they be the New York Nets again?

  • Mike | January 26, 2009 at 2:36 pm |

    Sorry no screen grab but i saw on sportscenter this morning that someone on Seton Hall’s bench last night didn’t have a uni number? anyone else see this?

  • Stuby | January 26, 2009 at 2:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”311893″][quote comment=”311860″][quote comment=”311852″]Out of curiousity, is Pittsburgh the only city with professional sports teams where all it’s teams have similar color schemes “black and gold/yellow” ? Was this by design or coincidence?[/quote]

    Aren’t New York City’s official colors royal and orange, or at least blue and orange? Hence the Knicks and Mets color choices?

    I know for a fact that’s why New York Raiders of the WHA wore royal and orange. I was in the room when they made the decision.

    I seem to remember hearing or reading somewhere long ago that the Jets might have gone to blue and orange when they morphed from the Titans, but because Broncos already had gone to those colors—and because they wanted to kinda hint at the Colts cuz they’d hired Weeb Ewbank—they opted for Kelly and White.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    IIRC – Jets went to green and white for 2 reasons – (1) green to signify the combining of the Titan’s colors, and (2) because of the Leon Hess connection (his gas stations used the green and white color scheme). And as asnyone who ever worked there knows, HESS stood for “Holidays, Evenings, Saturdays, and Sundays” which was your original work schedule.[/quote]
    In relation to the Jets, I thought it stood for “Horrible Every Single Season”.

  • Geeman | January 26, 2009 at 2:38 pm |

    The L.A. Kings used to have purple and gold when they were owned by Jerry Buss of the Lakers.

  • pk | January 26, 2009 at 2:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”311896″][quote comment=”311893″][quote comment=”311860″][quote comment=”311852″]Out of curiousity, is Pittsburgh the only city with professional sports teams where all it’s teams have similar color schemes “black and gold/yellow” ? Was this by design or coincidence?[/quote]

    Aren’t New York City’s official colors royal and orange, or at least blue and orange? Hence the Knicks and Mets color choices?

    I know for a fact that’s why New York Raiders of the WHA wore royal and orange. I was in the room when they made the decision.

    I seem to remember hearing or reading somewhere long ago that the Jets might have gone to blue and orange when they morphed from the Titans, but because Broncos already had gone to those colors—and because they wanted to kinda hint at the Colts cuz they’d hired Weeb Ewbank—they opted for Kelly and White.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    IIRC – Jets went to green and white for 2 reasons – (1) green to signify the combining of the Titan’s colors, and (2) because of the Leon Hess connection (his gas stations used the green and white color scheme). And as asnyone who ever worked there knows, HESS stood for “Holidays, Evenings, Saturdays, and Sundays” which was your original work schedule.[/quote]
    In relation to the Jets, I thought it stood for “Horrible Every Single Season”.[/quote]

    That’s the worst acronym I’ve heard in my 25+ years as a Jets fan….that’s really strecting it…

    The Jets are just a competitive as more than half the teams in the leauge, its just that the last 10 or so, the Patriots have been juiced up….Just like the Toronto Blue Jays…always a contender, except they have the misfortune of the Red Sox & Yankees in the same division…

  • Reilly | January 26, 2009 at 2:43 pm |

    The Pirates didn’t switch their uniforms because of the whole Championship notion. They were switched because the players didn’t like having to wear a certain undershirt underneith the jerseys and tcould therefore have the jerseys tailored to still fit to their likening.

    Granted, they did mention it… but do your research before you post things. I’ve constantly seen things on here that you don’t notice until days, if not weeks later.

  • Stuby | January 26, 2009 at 2:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”311898″][quote comment=”311896″][quote comment=”311893″][quote comment=”311860″][quote comment=”311852″]Out of curiousity, is Pittsburgh the only city with professional sports teams where all it’s teams have similar color schemes “black and gold/yellow” ? Was this by design or coincidence?[/quote]

    Aren’t New York City’s official colors royal and orange, or at least blue and orange? Hence the Knicks and Mets color choices?

    I know for a fact that’s why New York Raiders of the WHA wore royal and orange. I was in the room when they made the decision.

    I seem to remember hearing or reading somewhere long ago that the Jets might have gone to blue and orange when they morphed from the Titans, but because Broncos already had gone to those colors—and because they wanted to kinda hint at the Colts cuz they’d hired Weeb Ewbank—they opted for Kelly and White.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    IIRC – Jets went to green and white for 2 reasons – (1) green to signify the combining of the Titan’s colors, and (2) because of the Leon Hess connection (his gas stations used the green and white color scheme). And as asnyone who ever worked there knows, HESS stood for “Holidays, Evenings, Saturdays, and Sundays” which was your original work schedule.[/quote]
    In relation to the Jets, I thought it stood for “Horrible Every Single Season”.[/quote]

    That’s the worst acronym I’ve heard in my 25+ years as a Jets fan….that’s really strecting it…

    The Jets are just a competitive as more than half the teams in the leauge, its just that the last 10 or so, the Patriots have been juiced up….Just like the Toronto Blue Jays…always a contender, except they have the misfortune of the Red Sox & Yankees in the same division…[/quote]
    Stretching it a bit, maybe, but I got it from a sign in the stands on the highlights of a Jets game a few years back.

  • Reilly | January 26, 2009 at 2:44 pm |

    Also, why not mention of NHL All-Star Game last niight. Now talks about the awful looking white gloves being worn

  • Teebz | January 26, 2009 at 2:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”311884″]Pirates fans need to stop whining that one of their teams are losing. The Steelers are in the Super Bowl and the Penguins have a great goalie and two of the best players in the league. So what if one of your teams is mediocre.

    If you want bad, I’m gonna jump on the Bill Simmons bandwagon and say go move to Seattle. They’re basketball team with their new star player got ripped out from under them, the mariners suck, the Seahawks had another depressing season, and to all hockey wingers out there they don’t even have a team.

    and the weather sucks[/quote]

    You know, Seattle can bitch and moan all it likes, but it wasn’t so long ago that the Mariners won 130 games, the Seahawks played in a Super Bowl, and the Thunderbirds were the class of the WHL.

    Try living north of the border for a while. One garbage NBA team, one floundering MLB team who was a monster team 20 years ago, and a Bills-in-Toronto experiment gone horribly wrong to satisfy 30+ million people.

    Wanna know why we’re committed to hockey? ;o)

  • J-Dub | January 26, 2009 at 2:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”311898″][quote comment=”311896″][quote comment=”311893″][quote comment=”311860″][quote comment=”311852″]

    The Jets are just a competitive as more than half the teams in the leauge, its just that the last 10 or so, the Patriots have been juiced up….Just like the Toronto Blue Jays…always a contender, except they have the misfortune of the Red Sox & Yankees in the same division…[/quote]
    Long-suffering Jets fan here, and they’ve been “competitive” for all but the Richie Uptight – I mean – Kotite era.

  • War Damn Eagle | January 26, 2009 at 2:47 pm |

    Metrodome final season patch for the Twins:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

  • LI Phil | January 26, 2009 at 2:48 pm |

    [quote]it wasn’t so long ago that the Mariners won 130 games[/quote]

    in two seasons?

  • Teebz | January 26, 2009 at 2:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”311901″]Also, why not mention of NHL All-Star Game last niight. Now talks about the awful looking white gloves being worn[/quote]

    Check yesterday’s comments.

  • War Damn Eagle | January 26, 2009 at 2:49 pm |

    Padres’ 40th Anniversary season patch:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

  • Teebz | January 26, 2009 at 2:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”311905″][quote]it wasn’t so long ago that the Mariners won 130 games[/quote]

    in two seasons?[/quote]

    Ok, it was 116, but still… heckuva lot of wins. ;o)

  • War Damn Eagle | January 26, 2009 at 2:53 pm |

    Here’s that Rangers patch from the 1990s that some people had commented on earlier. I think it’s better than the Texas flag, especially given that “TEXAS” is on the front of every jersey.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

  • pk | January 26, 2009 at 2:55 pm |

    “Stretching it a bit, maybe, but I got it from a sign in the stands on the highlights of a Jets game a few years back”.

    The Jays went .500 against the Yanks/Sox….no easy feat…the Jays just can’t keep talent in Toronto for long…if the Jays were in the NL East *(know this won’t happen…just fantasy) They would be competiting every year…

    The Jets have 8 winning seasons. 1 .500 season and only 3 losing seasons in the last 12 years…I know heartache comes with being a Jets fan, but they by far are “Horrible Every Season”….we just have high expectations….

  • Ricko | January 26, 2009 at 2:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”311893″][quote comment=”311860″][quote comment=”311852″]Out of curiousity, is Pittsburgh the only city with professional sports teams where all it’s teams have similar color schemes “black and gold/yellow” ? Was this by design or coincidence?[/quote]

    Aren’t New York City’s official colors royal and orange, or at least blue and orange? Hence the Knicks and Mets color choices?

    I know for a fact that’s why New York Raiders of the WHA wore royal and orange. I was in the room when they made the decision.

    I seem to remember hearing or reading somewhere long ago that the Jets might have gone to blue and orange when they morphed from the Titans, but because Broncos already had gone to those colors—and because they wanted to kinda hint at the Colts cuz they’d hired Weeb Ewbank—they opted for Kelly and White.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    IIRC – Jets went to green and white for 2 reasons – (1) green to signify the combining of the Titan’s colors, and (2) because of the Leon Hess connection (his gas stations used the green and white color scheme). And as asnyone who ever worked there knows, HESS stood for “Holidays, Evenings, Saturdays, and Sundays” which was your original work schedule.[/quote]

    As I said, I remembered hearing or reading it somewhere, but the color matching to Hess’ gas stations makes a lot more sense. And, truthfully, I’d bet the combining of “blue and yellow to get green” was more a convenient rationalization for press release purposes than actual inspiration. They probably just didn’t want to say, “Mr. Hess wants them to look like his gas stations.”

    And the unis, yeah, they quite obviously were then designed for a “Colts style” presentation because of Weeb being there.

    That’s all entirely likely. Thanks for the the story.

  • Mark K | January 26, 2009 at 2:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”311869″]Elway went 11 years between Super Bowls that I know off the top of my head, Paul[/quote]

    Buffalo had the Bisons in football, hockey, and baseball.

  • Teebz | January 26, 2009 at 2:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”311910″]
    The Jays went .500 against the Yanks/Sox….no easy feat…the Jays just can’t keep talent in Toronto for long…if the Jays were in the NL East *(know this won’t happen…just fantasy) They would be competiting every year…
    [/quote]

    And get railroaded by every other team in the AL. When you can’t beat Kansas City or Baltimore on a regular basis, you’re effed.

  • pk | January 26, 2009 at 2:58 pm |

    Long-suffering Jets fan here, and they’ve been “competitive” for all but the Richie Uptight – I mean – Kotite era.

    We do not talk about those days…dark, dark days ..damn you O’donnell…but I still wore my Futuristic JETS starter coat and Chrebet Jersey and was/am that guy who believes they will wn every week!!

  • Mark K | January 26, 2009 at 3:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”311819″]

    My wife and I were at Dick’s yesterday. She purchased a Polamalu women’s jersey and we were discussing prices changes. I recalled when I worked in retail that Steelers’ replicas were $49.99 and now they are $74.99. I also added my opinion that the quality of the replica is much better than it was before. At the beginning of the jersey craze, you had companies like Wilson, Champion, Starter, Apex One, etc putting out some pretty crappy merch. I know it’s probably blasphemy to say this in here but I really saw the quality increase when Nike got into the game and it continued with Reebok. I don’t mind the $75-80 price range with the improved quality of the product. Had the quality stayed the same, I’d be griping. [/quote]

    The exact opposite is true with what Reebok has done with hockey jerseys. Cheaper feeling fabrics and patches (but they’re high tech!) and a heftier price tag. It’s a joke.

  • Giancarlo | January 26, 2009 at 3:08 pm |

    Devil’s Advocate here. The Orioles & I think the Brewers & other MLB teams used to wear multi-toned batting helmets. Were they better than these Rangers lids? Is it the “vibrating” colors that make the difference?

  • tom farley | January 26, 2009 at 3:09 pm |

    Paul, I think it’s Elway as Tony in Erie pointed out, then Craig Morton (’70 Cowboys, ’77 Broncos). So Warner will tie Morton on Sunday.

  • Ricko | January 26, 2009 at 3:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”311916″]Devil’s Advocate here. The Orioles & I think the Brewers & other MLB teams used to wear multi-toned batting helmets. Were they better than these Rangers lids? Is it the “vibrating” colors that make the difference?[/quote]

    I think those worked because they were somewhat replicating the softcaps, with distinct delineation between each color. These gradiated, sparkly things look like the gas tank on a Yamaha.

    Or the helmet I wear when I ride the “special bus”.

    —Ricko

  • joe | January 26, 2009 at 3:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”311867″][quote comment=”311800″][quote comment=”311796″][quote comment=”311793″][quote comment=”311763″]maybe Texas is remembering the JFK shooting with the new helmet, it does look like the back of their heads were blown off.[/quote]
    TOO SOON!!![/quote]

    Ouch!!! There will never be a time when that ISN’T too soon.[/quote]

    its never too soon, sacred cows make the best burgers.[/quote]

    Not that I’m trying to criticize burgers, especially ones made from sacred cows, but wasn’t Kennedy actually shot in the throat, not in the head? Other than that, Mrs. Kennedy, how was the parade?[/quote]
    yes, but the exit which is always the big hole was in the back. have you never seen the footage or post mortem pics, granted some of those were after the doc did some of their own work back there. take a look sometime, a large chunk out of the back is gone.

  • K in PA | January 26, 2009 at 3:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”311860″][quote comment=”311852″]Out of curiousity, is Pittsburgh the only city with professional sports teams where all it’s teams have similar color schemes “black and gold/yellow” ? Was this by design or coincidence?[/quote]

    Aren’t New York City’s official colors royal and orange, or at least blue and orange? Hence the Knicks and Mets color choices?

    I know for a fact that’s why New York Raiders of the WHA wore royal and orange. I was in the room when they made the decision.

    I seem to remember hearing or reading somewhere long ago that the Jets might have gone to blue and orange when they morphed from the Titans, but because Broncos already had gone to those colors—and because they wanted to kinda hint at the Colts cuz they’d hired Weeb Ewbank—they opted for Kelly and White.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    I had always heard that the Mets chose blue and orange since they were a “replacement” team for the Dodgers (blue) and Giants (orange).

  • tom farley | January 26, 2009 at 3:22 pm |

    And the unis, yeah, they quite obviously were then designed for a “Colts style” presentation because of Weeb being there.
    Right down to the UCLA stripe where the sleeve meets the shoulder.

    Not as overt as Paul Brown deliberately (so the story goes) making the Bengals look nearly identical to the Browns, but yeah, I’d say a Weeb-Colts connection can be made on the Jets’ unis. Especially in ’63, when the AFL was still struggling.

  • tom farley | January 26, 2009 at 3:28 pm |

    I had always heard that the Mets chose blue and orange since they were a “replacement” team for the Dodgers (blue) and Giants (orange).
    I heard that one, too, Ricko, that it was a gesture to the fans that felt abandoned.

    I’ve also heard that a Mets-Yankees generation gap developed because people who were young in the ’60s adopted the Mets, rather than the “like rooting for U.S. Steel” Yankees.

    So I’ve talked to Tri-State Area people who say that, growing up there, you adopt a set of teams: You root for the Yankees, Giants and Rangers; or you root for the Mets, Jets and Islanders.

    Any exceptions to this order in the UW crowd?

  • Tony Payne | January 26, 2009 at 3:31 pm |

    WOW

    As a lifetime Rangers fan, I can tell you that even through all the losing seasons, stupid personnel decisions, and all the other idiocy that they’ve done, THOSE HELMETS ARE THE MOST EMBARRASSING THING IN THE HISTORY OF THIS FRANCHISE

    *dead*

  • BJ | January 26, 2009 at 3:34 pm |

    The fans of English football (soccer) team Leicester have voted to have a blank shirt, free of corporate sponsors for the club’s 125th anniversary season next year.

    http://news.bbc.co.u...

    They currently lead League One, so they could end up in the Championship next year meaning the club has accepted this decision despite the fact it could cost them big.

  • Luke | January 26, 2009 at 3:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”311864″][quote comment=”311833″]Two things:

    The Pirates new ones can, in some ways, be forgiven. They have the ugliest non-expansion team colors in MLB. Add with that goofy “throwback” or “traditional” font they insist on still using(yawn) and how much better could they do? Sometimes you started with a good uni and sometimes you’re the Pirates. It’s just an old franchise that seems to keep playing a bad uni hand. Over and over and over, etc.

    Seriously, I have an MA in Aesthetic Philosophy(yes, they exist) and BLACK AND YELLOW!!?? It’s a crime. This aggression should not stand.
    [/quote]

    What on earth is wrong with black and yellow? And for that matter, what’s wrong with the Pirates font? I’m neither from Pitt nor a Pirates fan, but they have fantastic home/away uniforms, sleeves or no sleeves. Simple and elegant and in the top 5 uniforms in baseball.[/quote]
    It sounds like you’re complaining for the sake of complaining. That’s great you have that degree and all, but I think this goes to “beauty is in the eye of the beholder” You have an entire city who loves black and gold, and an entire nation (aside from you and a handful of others) who see no problem with it. It’s Aesthetic Philosophy people like yourself that create jerseys like this beauty
    If you can criticize black and gold why not other colors? How could anyone wear green? I colored in 1st grade and that was my least favorite color to use, so what idiot would put green on a jersey? or purple? or maroon? or black?
    If only every team was a combo of red, white, or blue. Oh wait, that’s half of pro sports.

  • Giancarlo | January 26, 2009 at 3:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”311918″]
    I think those worked because they were somewhat replicating the softcaps, with distinct delineation between each color. These gradiated, sparkly things look like the gas tank on a Yamaha.
    —Ricko[/quote]
    OK, but I don’t see any color gradation on the Rangers lids, just distinct blue & red sections. Also, Paul’s column seems to say that the Mets’ & Rockies’ two-tones are slightly preferable BECAUSE the colors blend.

  • LI Phil | January 26, 2009 at 3:38 pm |

    [quote]growing up there, you adopt a set of teams: You root for the Yankees, Giants and Rangers; or you root for the Mets, Jets and Islanders.

    Any exceptions to this order in the UW crowd?[/quote]

    general rule of thumb is mets-jets-(once upon a time)nets-isles…OR…yanks-giants-knicks-rangers…(but the first set may be more for the LI crowd, at least for puck)…ain’t too many isles fans west of queens and a LOT of rangers fans everywhere

    personally: mets-giants-knicks-isles — although the last two haven’t been worth cheering for in a loooonnnnggg time…

    plus, im a baseball fan first, then football…though i’ve gotten back into puck more recently (thanks teebz & the hockey wing); and as far as baseball and football, all else being equal, will root for the NL and NFC (tho warner and the cards will seriously test that)

  • bartusball | January 26, 2009 at 3:39 pm |

    “I’ve never actually done the research on this, but there was a time when the Pittsburgh Spirit of the Major Indoor Soccer League were actually a better draw at the Civic Arena then the Pens, and because of this there was talk of the Pens folding/being sold whatever, and keeping the Spirit. I’m thinking it was when the DeBartolos owned the Pens and maybe had part ownership of the arena itself, not 100% sure.”

    The colors of the Pittsburgh Spirit…black and gold!

    The only Pittsburgh teams that I can think of that screwed up the black & gold theme were the USFL Pittsburgh Maulers, another DeBartolo owned team, who went purple and orange and the Pittsburgh Gladiators of the Arena Football who were Green and Vegas Gold.

    I believe that even the various indoor lacrosse teams wore black and gold. I could be wrong though :o)

  • Geeman | January 26, 2009 at 3:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”311922″]I had always heard that the Mets chose blue and orange since they were a “replacement” team for the Dodgers (blue) and Giants (orange).
    I heard that one, too, Ricko, that it was a gesture to the fans that felt abandoned.

    I’ve also heard that a Mets-Yankees generation gap developed because people who were young in the ’60s adopted the Mets, rather than the “like rooting for U.S. Steel” Yankees.

    So I’ve talked to Tri-State Area people who say that, growing up there, you adopt a set of teams: You root for the Yankees, Giants and Rangers; or you root for the Mets, Jets and Islanders.

    Any exceptions to this order in the UW crowd?[/quote]

    That makes sense, as the Mets, Jets, and Islanders all play on Long Island (though the latter is actually out of the city limits of New York) and were expansion franchises, whereas the Yankees, Giants, and Rangers are in the Manhattan-Bronx axis (the Giants being reared in yankee Stadium) and older.

  • Flying Scotch Bottle | January 26, 2009 at 3:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”311925″][quote comment=”311864″][quote comment=”311833″]Two things:

    The Pirates new ones can, in some ways, be forgiven. They have the ugliest non-expansion team colors in MLB. Add with that goofy “throwback” or “traditional” font they insist on still using(yawn) and how much better could they do? Sometimes you started with a good uni and sometimes you’re the Pirates. It’s just an old franchise that seems to keep playing a bad uni hand. Over and over and over, etc.

    Seriously, I have an MA in Aesthetic Philosophy(yes, they exist) and BLACK AND YELLOW!!?? It’s a crime. This aggression should not stand.
    [/quote]

    What on earth is wrong with black and yellow? And for that matter, what’s wrong with the Pirates font? I’m neither from Pitt nor a Pirates fan, but they have fantastic home/away uniforms, sleeves or no sleeves. Simple and elegant and in the top 5 uniforms in baseball.[/quote]
    It sounds like you’re complaining for the sake of complaining. That’s great you have that degree and all, but I think this goes to “beauty is in the eye of the beholder” You have an entire city who loves black and gold, and an entire nation (aside from you and a handful of others) who see no problem with it. It’s Aesthetic Philosophy people like yourself that create jerseys like this beauty
    If you can criticize black and gold why not other colors? How could anyone wear green? I colored in 1st grade and that was my least favorite color to use, so what idiot would put green on a jersey? or purple? or maroon? or black?
    If only every team was a combo of red, white, or blue. Oh wait, that’s half of pro sports.[/quote]

    Noted, but I’m complaining for the sake of ugly. I get why they have the colors–read through the posts for a decent(I think) justification. I’m sure you first grade experience will take you far.

  • Geeman | January 26, 2009 at 3:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”311920″][quote comment=”311860″][quote comment=”311852″]Out of curiousity, is Pittsburgh the only city with professional sports teams where all it’s teams have similar color schemes “black and gold/yellow” ? Was this by design or coincidence?[/quote]

    Aren’t New York City’s official colors royal and orange, or at least blue and orange? Hence the Knicks and Mets color choices?

    I know for a fact that’s why New York Raiders of the WHA wore royal and orange. I was in the room when they made the decision.

    I seem to remember hearing or reading somewhere long ago that the Jets might have gone to blue and orange when they morphed from the Titans, but because Broncos already had gone to those colors—and because they wanted to kinda hint at the Colts cuz they’d hired Weeb Ewbank—they opted for Kelly and White.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    I had always heard that the Mets chose blue and orange since they were a “replacement” team for the Dodgers (blue) and Giants (orange).[/quote]

  • Geeman | January 26, 2009 at 3:43 pm |

    I think you’re right, which is why it’s not so far-fetched for the Mets to have black, the other Giants color (though they don’t have red, the other Dodgers color).

  • Luke | January 26, 2009 at 3:44 pm |

    [quote comment=\”311928\”]\”I’ve never actually done the research on this, but there was a time when the Pittsburgh Spirit of the Major Indoor Soccer League were actually a better draw at the Civic Arena then the Pens, and because of this there was talk of the Pens folding/being sold whatever, and keeping the Spirit. I’m thinking it was when the DeBartolos owned the Pens and maybe had part ownership of the arena itself, not 100% sure.\”

    The colors of the Pittsburgh Spirit…black and gold!

    The only Pittsburgh teams that I can think of that screwed up the black & gold theme were the USFL Pittsburgh Maulers, another DeBartolo owned team, who went purple and orange and the Pittsburgh Gladiators of the Arena Football who were Green and Vegas Gold.

    I believe that even the various indoor lacrosse teams wore black and gold. I could be wrong though :o)[/quote]
    The Maulers went purple and orange to help Pittsburgh emerge from its depression, because those are Renaissance colors.
    Not sure how relevant AAA football team colors are to fighting a recession, it can’t hurt. I saw it on the special “Things That Aren’t There Anymore” Narrated by Rick Sebak.

  • Geeman | January 26, 2009 at 3:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”311916″]Devil’s Advocate here. The Orioles & I think the Brewers & other MLB teams used to wear multi-toned batting helmets. Were they better than these Rangers lids? Is it the “vibrating” colors that make the difference?[/quote]

    It’s a fair point. Don’t know why, but I loved the Orioles three-tone lids of the ’70s and 80s, maybe because I was a kid and my tastes ran more to bubble gum and Kool Aid than the refined tastes of adulthood. (LOL.) I admit liking the Pirates’ unis at the time but would shudder at them today.

  • Flying Scotch Bottle | January 26, 2009 at 3:45 pm |

    BTW–Doe s anyone else remember the Roos kicks with the pockets in the tongue? I’ve been trying to find a photo…

  • bartusball | January 26, 2009 at 3:46 pm |

    “Actually, Teebz, wasn’t the reason the Pens’ won that case against the Bruins because they proved they actually had black/yellow FIRST as the Pittsburgh Pirates (hockey verison)? So yes, they made the switch at the height of the “city of champs” days, but the city had a black and yellow history long before then.”

    Also to chime in with KEK on the Penguins/Bruins black and gold rhubarb. This is from pittsburghhockey.net

    “On November 7, 1925, the Pirates became the seventh team to join the NHL – playing in the NHL’s American Division with the Boston Bruins and the New York Americans – and played their games of the 1925-26 season at the Duquesne Gardens in the city’s Oakland neighborhood.

    The Pirates wore bright yellow wool jerseys with black trim stripes with a “P” on the front of their jerseys (LEFT). Callahan’s brother was a policeman in the city and offered used emblems from police jackets to place on the uniform sleeves.”

    Also if you check out the colors of the Bruins during that era, they were BROWN and gold. They didn’t go black and gold until around 1935.

  • Ricko | January 26, 2009 at 3:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”311922″]I had always heard that the Mets chose blue and orange since they were a “replacement” team for the Dodgers (blue) and Giants (orange).
    I heard that one, too, Ricko, that it was a gesture to the fans that felt abandoned.

    I’ve also heard that a Mets-Yankees generation gap developed because people who were young in the ’60s adopted the Mets, rather than the “like rooting for U.S. Steel” Yankees.

    So I’ve talked to Tri-State Area people who say that, growing up there, you adopt a set of teams: You root for the Yankees, Giants and Rangers; or you root for the Mets, Jets and Islanders.

    Any exceptions to this order in the UW crowd?[/quote]

    Oh, wow, I wasn’t contradicting the Dodgers-Giants story regarding the selection of the Mets colors. Not at all. I know that one’s true. I remember it at the time. It just worked out that they’re also the city’s colors (which I learned only recently).

    I was saying that NY came close to that kind of thing there for a while (in answer to whether any teams have a “city theme”)…because the WHA Raiders went to royal and orange specifically to follow the Knicks and Mets lead. As I said, I have personal first-hand knowledge of that being true.

    —Ricko

  • War Damn Eagle | January 26, 2009 at 3:48 pm |

    the iconic Barack Obama poster thing has officially jumped the shark:

    http://sports.yahoo....

  • Stuby | January 26, 2009 at 3:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”311935″]BTW–Doe s anyone else remember the Roos kicks with the pockets in the tongue? I’ve been trying to find a photo…[/quote]
    I recall them with the pocket on the side…

    http://sneakers.pair...

  • War Damn Eagle | January 26, 2009 at 3:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”311938″]the iconic Barack Obama poster thing has officially jumped the shark:

    http://sports.yahoo....

    damnit, my bad:

    http://www.flickr.co...

  • Seth H | January 26, 2009 at 3:52 pm |

    “So I’ve talked to Tri-State Area people who say that, growing up there, you adopt a set of teams: You root for the Yankees, Giants and Rangers; or you root for the Mets, Jets and Islanders.

    Any exceptions to this order in the UW crowd? ”

    Gross, inaccurate generalization. Many people who grew up before the Jets and Islanders existed (or whose parents did) but who are old NL fans — Dodgers and Giants — are Mets/Giants/Rangers fans. And there are plenty of Yankees fans who follow the Jets.

  • War Damn Eagle | January 26, 2009 at 3:55 pm |

    Super Bowl XLIV logo:

    http://en.wikipedia....

  • Geeman | January 26, 2009 at 3:55 pm |

    Of course, now the Knicks’ colors are blue, orange, and black, just like the Mets’ colors.

  • Flying Scotch Bottle | January 26, 2009 at 3:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”311939″][quote comment=”311935″]BTW–Doe s anyone else remember the Roos kicks with the pockets in the tongue? I’ve been trying to find a photo…[/quote]
    I recall them with the pocket on the side…

    http://sneakers.pair...

    Yeah–I saw that photo too.

    The ones we had actually had a pocket in the tongue that you laced over and got a real nice(painful) key mark on the top of your foot. I think that photo is probably the next gen. of sneaker pockets!

    Anyone surprised why Roos didn’t survive?

  • pk | January 26, 2009 at 4:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”311922″]I had always heard that the Mets chose blue and orange since they were a “replacement” team for the Dodgers (blue) and Giants (orange).
    I heard that one, too, Ricko, that it was a gesture to the fans that felt abandoned.

    I’ve also heard that a Mets-Yankees generation gap developed because people who were young in the ’60s adopted the Mets, rather than the “like rooting for U.S. Steel” Yankees.

    So I’ve talked to Tri-State Area people who say that, growing up there, you adopt a set of teams: You root for the Yankees, Giants and Rangers; or you root for the Mets, Jets and Islanders.

    Any exceptions to this order in the UW crowd?[/quote]

    Yanks, Jets, Rangers (hate basketball)

  • Stuby | January 26, 2009 at 4:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”311944″][quote comment=”311939″][quote comment=”311935″]BTW–Doe s anyone else remember the Roos kicks with the pockets in the tongue? I’ve been trying to find a photo…[/quote]
    I recall them with the pocket on the side…

    http://sneakers.pair...

    Yeah–I saw that photo too.

    The ones we had actually had a pocket in the tongue that you laced over and got a real nice(painful) key mark on the top of your foot. I think that photo is probably the next gen. of sneaker pockets!

    Anyone surprised why Roos didn’t survive?[/quote]
    I don’t remember a pocket in the tongue, but I did have something similar to this back in the day…

    http://www.uspatriot...

  • J-Dub | January 26, 2009 at 4:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”311914″]Long-suffering Jets fan here, and they’ve been “competitive” for all but the Richie Uptight – I mean – Kotite era.

    We do not talk about those days…dark, dark days ..damn you O’donnell…but I still wore my Futuristic JETS starter coat and Chrebet Jersey and was/am that guy who believes they will wn every week!![/quote]
    I hear you, man…still have all my “futuristic” Jets gear – including an Al Toon and a (speaking of “damn you”) Ken O’Brien jersey. AARRGGHH!

  • DenverGregg | January 26, 2009 at 4:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”311942″]Super Bowl XLIV logo:

    http://en.wikipedia....

    I wonder if this logo’s colors have anything to do with the rumored Dolphins’ redesign.

  • Mike | January 26, 2009 at 4:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”311942″]Super Bowl XLIV logo:

    http://en.wikipedia....

    Can’t wait to see how they’re gonna turn that into a patch

  • Flying Scotch Bottle | January 26, 2009 at 4:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”311946″][quote comment=”311944″][quote comment=”311939″][quote comment=”311935″]BTW–Doe s anyone else remember the Roos kicks with the pockets in the tongue? I’ve been trying to find a photo…[/quote]
    I recall them with the pocket on the side…

    http://sneakers.pair...

    Yeah–I saw that photo too.

    The ones we had actually had a pocket in the tongue that you laced over and got a real nice(painful) key mark on the top of your foot. I think that photo is probably the next gen. of sneaker pockets!

    Anyone surprised why Roos didn’t survive?[/quote]
    I don’t remember a pocket in the tongue, but I did have something similar to this back in the day…

    http://www.uspatriot...

    Remember those–on the ones we had the pocket was actually built into the tongue of the shoe–not an add on.

    Boy have I blown time today after reading the Roos reference. I got some emails out to old teammates to see if we can get a pic. of the custom one’s they used to do.

    I don’t remember the shoes being particularly great…I think we moved to Pumas after a year…

  • Roger Faso | January 26, 2009 at 4:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”311743″][quote comment=”311742″]A uniform change is always exciting news – with one major exception – The Texas Rangers – no team seems to change their uni more consistently than the Rangers – and they’re all un-memorable. They’ve never been ugly – but nothing ever stands out. [/quote]

    Agreed. Nearly 40 years and zero sense of visual identity. They’re like a big, bland suburb — inoffensive but characterless.[/quote]

    You guys are totally right. I just checked out their history at Dressed to the Nines. They have the most boring unis ever. There is nothing there. They’re saltines.

  • J-Dub | January 26, 2009 at 4:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”311950″][quote comment=”311946″][quote comment=”311944″][quote comment=”311939″][quote comment=”311935″]BTW–Doe s anyone else remember the Roos kicks with the pockets in the tongue? I’ve been trying to find a photo…[/quote]
    I recall them with the pocket on the side…

    http://sneakers.pair...

    Yeah–I saw that photo too.

    The ones we had actually had a pocket in the tongue that you laced over and got a real nice(painful) key mark on the top of your foot. I think that photo is probably the next gen. of sneaker pockets!

    Anyone surprised why Roos didn’t survive?[/quote]
    I don’t remember a pocket in the tongue, but I did have something similar to this back in the day…

    http://www.uspatriot...

    Remember those–on the ones we had the pocket was actually built into the tongue of the shoe–not an add on.

    Boy have I blown time today after reading the Roos reference. I got some emails out to old teammates to see if we can get a pic. of the custom one’s they used to do.

    I don’t remember the shoes being particularly great…I think we moved to Pumas after a year…[/quote]
    I recall having a pair like this: http://www.moonarts....
    with the opening running horizontally. Better for key storage (but not by much) than the tongue method

  • Kevin M. | January 26, 2009 at 4:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”311948″][quote comment=”311942″]Super Bowl XLIV logo:

    http://en.wikipedia....

    I wonder if this logo’s colors have anything to do with the rumored Dolphins’ redesign.[/quote]

    Looks like Bears colors to me.

  • Matt Brosseau | January 26, 2009 at 4:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”311927″]growing up there, you adopt a set of teams: You root for the Yankees, Giants and Rangers; or you root for the Mets, Jets and Islanders.

    Any exceptions to this order in the UW crowd?[/quote]

    Yanks-Jets-Knicks-Islanders for me…I live in Jersey so that’s a violation of your “no Isles fans west of Queens” rule. My uncle took me to Islanders games all the time as a kid. He even brought me to the Cup Finals in ’82 and ’83 even though I was 2 and 3 years old, respectively…my dad is a Yankees fan but not really a fan of other sports, so he took me to the Bronx and there you go. I got into the Jets in kind of an odd way, I was a Bengals fan as a little kid (liked the unis) and followed Boomer Esiason, the local guy, to the Jets where I stayed. And last, I became a Knicks fan simply from listening to the games on WFAN…this was back around the 1988 season. (Brian Quinnett FTW)

  • rpm | January 26, 2009 at 4:40 pm |

    perhaps someone already said something regarding the flutie mouth guard, but there was an ask the editor in SI some years ago about that, someone wondering what it was, and it turns out it was a spare mouth guard. SI then showed some similar photos of other players doing the same thing, but who they were i don’t remember. i am sure someone with an SI collection could find the other photo examples of spare mouth pieces in socks. talk about your somewhat nasty search.

  • Joe Yesh | January 26, 2009 at 4:56 pm |

    Gus Otto was also on that Raider’s team

  • M.Princip | January 26, 2009 at 4:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”311934″][quote comment=”311916″]Devil’s Advocate here. The Orioles & I think the Brewers & other MLB teams used to wear multi-toned batting helmets. Were they better than these Rangers lids? Is it the “vibrating” colors that make the difference?[/quote]

    It’s a fair point. Don’t know why, but I loved the Orioles three-tone lids of the ’70s and 80s, maybe because I was a kid and my tastes ran more to bubble gum and Kool Aid than the refined tastes of adulthood. (LOL.) I admit liking the Pirates’ unis at the time but would shudder at them today.[/quote]

    I prefer refined sugar; bubble gum and kool aid please.

    http://collectible-s...

  • Mike Engle | January 26, 2009 at 5:07 pm |

    Kind of cliche, but good to see SI.com Uni Watching.

  • Mike Engle | January 26, 2009 at 5:08 pm |

    Lost the link, oops, here it is
    http://www.fannation...

  • The Hemogoblin | January 26, 2009 at 5:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”311959″]Lost the link, oops, here it is
    http://www.fannation...

    Other than the fact that SI ran FanNation into the ground (as STILL one of the top-10 commenters all-time on that site even though I haven’t been active for 6 months, I can make that claim) by turning it into their personal billboard. At one point, that was a haven for bloggers and sports fans to hang out and actually talk sports… now it’s just SI with a comment function.

  • The Hemogoblin | January 26, 2009 at 5:18 pm |

    [/rant]

  • Geeman | January 26, 2009 at 5:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”311957″][quote comment=”311934″][quote comment=”311916″]Devil’s Advocate here. The Orioles & I think the Brewers & other MLB teams used to wear multi-toned batting helmets. Were they better than these Rangers lids? Is it the “vibrating” colors that make the difference?[/quote]

    It’s a fair point. Don’t know why, but I loved the Orioles three-tone lids of the ’70s and 80s, maybe because I was a kid and my tastes ran more to bubble gum and Kool Aid than the refined tastes of adulthood. (LOL.) I admit liking the Pirates’ unis at the time but would shudder at them today.[/quote]

    I prefer refined sugar; bubble gum and kool aid please.

    http://collectible-s...

    The Twins’ three-color lids from that era are sweet too. Wish I had one (I have the red/blue one from 1980-86.)

    http://farm1.static....

  • Chuck | January 26, 2009 at 5:52 pm |

    Eric Mangini having the Browns hall of famers mural painted over is just flat out disrespectful. whats next Eric?

  • Lwiedy | January 26, 2009 at 5:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”311884″]Pirates fans need to stop whining that one of their teams are losing. The Steelers are in the Super Bowl and the Penguins have a great goalie and two of the best players in the league. So what if one of your teams is mediocre.

    If you want bad, I’m gonna jump on the Bill Simmons bandwagon and say go move to Seattle. They’re basketball team with their new star player got ripped out from under them, the mariners suck, the Seahawks had another depressing season, and to all hockey wingers out there they don’t even have a team.

    and the weather sucks[/quote]

    I hope Bill didn’t include the Seahawks in that list. They just came off four consecutive (2004-2007) division titles.

    How ‘bout KC? In the last 50 years they’ve had a baseball, basketball & hockey franchise ripped. No Super Bowl since the merger and at least Reagan was out of office since the Pirates have made the playoffs.

    And it ain’t paradise weather wise.

  • Lwiedy | January 26, 2009 at 5:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”311963″]Eric Mangini having the Browns hall of famers mural painted over is just flat out disrespectful. whats next Eric?[/quote]

    W.W.B.D.?

  • Ricko | January 26, 2009 at 6:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”311963″]Eric Mangini having the Browns hall of famers mural painted over is just flat out disrespectful. whats next Eric?[/quote]

    How the hell is that a coach’s decision?
    Aw, I suppose these days it is.
    Probably go to to something really cool like brown pants this year, too.
    Oh, wait, they tried that….
    Okay then, brown helmets, no striping.
    The Flying Milk Duds.

  • Saru | January 26, 2009 at 6:06 pm |

    New York teams\’ orange and blue colors have their roots in those of the Netherlands.

  • S. Bennett | January 26, 2009 at 7:28 pm |

    The New Pittsburgh unis look fine to me. Sure, they didn’t really change up to recall the glory years; they changed up to make money. But if you’re going to change up, why not go back to some quality unis?

    I wish the Isles would do it! And I wish every NHL tam that got rid of pants stripes would return to them. Plain black / blue pants are bring as sin.

    And the black alternate looks cool (not temperature-wise)

    The Nolan Ryan era uniforms of the Rangers were quality. That would be a good look to return to.

    SB

  • peter | January 26, 2009 at 7:29 pm |

    AHL All-Star Game on MSG + right now….interesting/plain uni’s….better than the NHL’ers (sorry no screen grabs)

    They just showed last nights AHL skills game, I love AHL Jersey’s especially the Admirals http://www.milwaukee...

    and the Wolfpack!

    Bears 3rd

  • Tom Farley | January 26, 2009 at 7:32 pm |

    Ricko, I didn’t think you were contradicting the Mets color choice story. Sorry if I misrepresented or misinterpreted.

    I thought the Grumpy Old Man moon-rocks bit was funny, by the way.

  • Tom Farley | January 26, 2009 at 7:35 pm |

    Gross, inaccurate generalization. Many people who grew up before the Jets and Islanders existed (or whose parents did) but who are old NL fans — Dodgers and Giants — are Mets/Giants/Rangers fans. And there are plenty of Yankees fans who follow the Jets.

    Thanks, Seth H. I had a sense that it wasn’t as simple as that.

  • Jonathan | January 26, 2009 at 7:49 pm |

    wow i just realized this. That picture from the “NFL Experience” with the two sweatshirts technically aren’t NFL teams at all! They are from the time when the Browns were part of the All-American Football Conference. The Chicago Rockets were also an AAFC team till the 1949 “merger” between the AAFC and the NFL. Strange that the NFL does not recognize AAFC records and stats yet they are pushing an AAFC matchup as part of the “NFL” experience. Just thought it was interesting

  • brian | January 26, 2009 at 8:07 pm |

    so im sure everyone has seen the kurt warner ‘how he met his wife’ email going around. I believe I read on here a while ago that some of the details were somewhat embellished — can someone point me in the right direction for that explanation. i looked all over and cant track it down.

  • Max | January 26, 2009 at 8:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”311901″]Also, why not mention of NHL All-Star Game last niight. Now talks about the awful looking white gloves being worn[/quote]

    ‘Cause nobody cares?

  • tim | January 26, 2009 at 8:22 pm |

    Do any of the Soccer/Football people have any idea where i can get a Hull City FC Shirt? I can’t find the 08/09 home shirt anywhere including from them. They told me they sold out of their allocation from Umbro(5 months before the season ends) and won’t be able to get more.

  • T Crafts | January 26, 2009 at 8:33 pm |

    did anyone see the new lakers shirts and hats? Kind of odd given the Lakers/Celts rivalry

    http://barstoolsport...

  • Mike | January 26, 2009 at 8:35 pm |

    Now this is a great Pirates uniform, circa-1980:
    http://public.fotki....

    Yeh, I rocked the stirrups baby, though the Bucs ever wore white cleats…the uniform I REALLY wanted was the black over yellow with the pillbox hat……apparently the coach thought differently

  • The Hemogoblin | January 26, 2009 at 8:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”311973″]so im sure everyone has seen the kurt warner ‘how he met his wife’ email going around. I believe I read on here a while ago that some of the details were somewhat embellished — can someone point me in the right direction for that explanation. i looked all over and cant track it down.[/quote]

    Snopes.com

  • Johnny O | January 26, 2009 at 9:13 pm |

    Why in the world don’t the Cards just wear this when it comes to road uni’s????

    http://www.nflshop.c...

  • Michael Wing | January 26, 2009 at 9:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”311746″]The Sutter brothers took an embarrassing photo, all right, but it’s no “Ooh la la Sassoon,” to be sure.

    http://www.youtube.c...

    Oh. My. Goodness.

    Here’s how old I am: I OWNED that Baseball Digest. I remember thinking that some of those logos looked, well, kind of quickly done….

  • Lwiedy | January 26, 2009 at 9:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”311977″]Now this is a great Pirates uniform, circa-1980:
    http://public.fotki....

    Yeh, I rocked the stirrups baby, though the Bucs ever wore white cleats…the uniform I REALLY wanted was the black over yellow with the pillbox hat……apparently the coach thought differently[/quote]

    I just ordered my mug and t-shirt!

  • Ricko | January 26, 2009 at 9:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”311926″][quote comment=”311918″]
    I think those worked because they were somewhat replicating the softcaps, with distinct delineation between each color. These gradiated, sparkly things look like the gas tank on a Yamaha.
    —Ricko[/quote]
    OK, but I don’t see any color gradation on the Rangers lids, just distinct blue & red sections. Also, Paul’s column seems to say that the Mets’ & Rockies’ two-tones are slightly preferable BECAUSE the colors blend.[/quote]

    There’s a photo of it from the back posted yesterday (I think it was yesterday). From that angle you can see the gradient.

  • Ricko | January 26, 2009 at 9:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”311979″]Why in the world don’t the Cards just wear this when it comes to road uni’s????

    http://www.nflshop.c...

    Or these, maybe?
    http://farm4.static....

  • Patrick in MI | January 26, 2009 at 10:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”311977″]Now this is a great Pirates uniform, circa-1980:
    http://public.fotki....

    Yeh, I rocked the stirrups baby, though the Bucs ever wore white cleats…the uniform I REALLY wanted was the black over yellow with the pillbox hat……apparently the coach thought differently[/quote]

    Here’s my little league team, circa 1980 also. Gotta love that polyester!

    http://farm4.static....

  • Kek | January 26, 2009 at 10:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”311928″]”I’ve never actually done the research on this, but there was a time when the Pittsburgh Spirit of the Major Indoor Soccer League were actually a better draw at the Civic Arena then the Pens, and because of this there was talk of the Pens folding/being sold whatever, and keeping the Spirit. I’m thinking it was when the DeBartolos owned the Pens and maybe had part ownership of the arena itself, not 100% sure.”

    The colors of the Pittsburgh Spirit…black and gold!

    The only Pittsburgh teams that I can think of that screwed up the black & gold theme were the USFL Pittsburgh Maulers, another DeBartolo owned team, who went purple and orange and the Pittsburgh Gladiators of the Arena Football who were Green and Vegas Gold.

    I believe that even the various indoor lacrosse teams wore black and gold. I could be wrong though :o)[/quote]
    regarding the lacrosse, i know the Bulls wore black and gold but I’m not sure about the CrossFire, I’ll have to look into that.

    However, there were plenty of teams that didn’t go black/gold: the AHL Hornets were originally red the ABA Pepers/Condors were red, gold blue i believe.

    Speaking of the Maulers, I wish I had pulled a Ricko and saved this so I could scan it: the Pittsburgh Press as I remember during the Maulers’ one season in the league really hammered them in their coverage (rightfully so they were what, 3-15?). anyway, someone at the art dept at the press had fun recreating the logo so that the mauler was hammering himeslef in the head!

  • Ricko | January 26, 2009 at 11:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”311985″][quote comment=”311928″]”I’ve never actually done the research on this, but there was a time when the Pittsburgh Spirit of the Major Indoor Soccer League were actually a better draw at the Civic Arena then the Pens, and because of this there was talk of the Pens folding/being sold whatever, and keeping the Spirit. I’m thinking it was when the DeBartolos owned the Pens and maybe had part ownership of the arena itself, not 100% sure.”

    The colors of the Pittsburgh Spirit…black and gold!

    The only Pittsburgh teams that I can think of that screwed up the black & gold theme were the USFL Pittsburgh Maulers, another DeBartolo owned team, who went purple and orange and the Pittsburgh Gladiators of the Arena Football who were Green and Vegas Gold.

    I believe that even the various indoor lacrosse teams wore black and gold. I could be wrong though :o)[/quote]
    regarding the lacrosse, i know the Bulls wore black and gold but I’m not sure about the CrossFire, I’ll have to look into that.

    However, there were plenty of teams that didn’t go black/gold: the AHL Hornets were originally red the ABA Pepers/Condors were red, gold blue i believe.

    Speaking of the Maulers, I wish I had pulled a Ricko and saved this so I could scan it: the Pittsburgh Press as I remember during the Maulers’ one season in the league really hammered them in their coverage (rightfully so they were what, 3-15?). anyway, someone at the art dept at the press had fun recreating the logo so that the mauler was hammering himeslef in the head![/quote]

    Saw the Condors play in Pittsburgh against the Virgina Squires and young Julius Irving. Still have the program. And, yeah, red, royal, gold and white for the Condors.

    —Ricko

  • Kerry P | January 26, 2009 at 11:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”311942″]Super Bowl XLIV logo:

    http://en.wikipedia....
    Awful, awful, awful, awful…AWFUL!!!

  • Ricko | January 26, 2009 at 11:06 pm |

    Pipers were royal and orange. They kept the same color scheme when they moved to Minnesota.

    Connie Hawkins, what a basketball player.

  • Sammy | January 26, 2009 at 11:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”311953″][quote comment=”311948″][quote comment=”311942″]Super Bowl XLIV logo:

    http://en.wikipedia....

    I wonder if this logo’s colors have anything to do with the rumored Dolphins’ redesign.[/quote]

    Looks like Bears colors to me.[/quote]

    NFL teams with orange: Dolphins, Browns, Broncos, Bears, and the Bengals have both orange and black. Orange will clash with almost every other team’s colors.

  • Mark K | January 26, 2009 at 11:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”311795″]
    That was inspired by these three pics:

    http://i256.photobuc...
    [/quote]
    hey Powers- what is that written in the sky??

  • Ricko | January 26, 2009 at 11:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”311989″][quote comment=”311953″][quote comment=”311948″][quote comment=”311942″]Super Bowl XLIV logo:

    http://en.wikipedia....

    I wonder if this logo’s colors have anything to do with the rumored Dolphins’ redesign.[/quote]

    Looks like Bears colors to me.[/quote]

    NFL teams with orange: Dolphins, Browns, Broncos, Bears, and the Bengals have both orange and black. Orange will clash with almost every other team’s colors.[/quote]

    This one (in Miami) had orange, too. Super Bowl logo isn’t supposed to match or clash with any team’s unis. If anything, it’s supposed to be evoactive of the site.

    http://farm4.static....

  • Mike D | January 26, 2009 at 11:54 pm |

    The Rangers should have kept the same jerseys from last season, but ditched the black drop shadow, or then go back to the jerseys from the early 90’s with the script Rangers across the chest on the home jerseys.

    The Pirates jerseys look good, but I like their vest jerseys better. The new black jersey looks very good though in my opinion.

    I think the Reds should bring back the sleeveless pinstripe jersey as an alt jersey, and put the NOB under the number. They could pair it with the white cap with red pinstripes.

  • MPowers1634 | January 27, 2009 at 12:31 am |

    [quote comment=”311990″][quote comment=”311795″]
    That was inspired by these three pics:

    http://i256.photobuc...
    [/quote]
    hey Powers- what is that written in the sky??[/quote]

    HaHa…Holy S#@% that’s a good find!

    I cut that pic out of Mens Health. I guess we know that there was a juicy article on the back side of that page.

  • The Hemogoblin | January 27, 2009 at 1:08 am |

    Watched a clip of the final game in the Kingdome… Jose Mesa has some cryptic message on the back left side of his cap.

  • Nick | January 27, 2009 at 6:11 am |

    [quote comment=”311966″][quote comment=”311963″]Eric Mangini having the Browns hall of famers mural painted over is just flat out disrespectful. whats next Eric?[/quote]

    How the hell is that a coach’s decision?
    Aw, I suppose these days it is.
    Probably go to to something really cool like brown pants this year, too.
    Oh, wait, they tried that….
    Okay then, brown helmets, no striping.
    The Flying Milk Duds.[/quote]

    ####################################

    Great job, Mangini, you are there for all of 45 minutes and the franchise’s history suddenly begins and ends with you.

    What an A**HOLE !!!

  • matt | January 27, 2009 at 11:47 am |

    What happens with the helmet when one of the ‘old guard’ guys on the team wants to go with the traditional type of helmet, not the coolflow style? Is that even an option now? Do they have to come up with some sort of big sticker like on Michigan/Princeton football helmets?