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Portraits in the Paint

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Wish I’d known about this before the holiday shopping season: Reader Stu Taylor just tipped me wise to the work of Brooklyn illustrator Joel Kimmel, who specializes in really cool NBA portraits, like the one of Caron Butler shown above (you can see dozens more of them here). He’s cobbled a bunch of these illos into a book called Portraits in the Paint, plus he’s made them into T-shirts and sells limited-edition prints. All good stuff.

New ESPN column today — link coming soon. tomorrow. Thought it was gonna be today, but they just decided to bump it back a day. I’ll have a full entry tomorrow (and a really good one, I might add) to make up for today’s short entry.

Paging Jeff Apple and Dan Luther: I can’t parcel out the holiday raffle prizes yet because two of the top four winners — the aforementioned Mssrs. Apple and Luther — haven’t yet given me their prize choices. Yo, Jeff and Dan, please check in asap, OK? OK.

Uni Watch News Ticker: Yesterday’s Ticker mistakenly stated that that all NBA teams playing on Xmas Day wore a snowflake patch. As several readers quickly pointed out, the Cavs pulled a last-minute uni switcheroo (because LeBron James wanted to wear the blue alts to match his new blue sneakers — jeez Lou-fucking-eze), which forced the Wizards to change uniforms as well, which in turn meant that neither team wore the patch. The weird thing is that when the NBA showed me samples of their new uniforms back in the fall, the snowflake sample was sewn onto a blue Cavs uni. But apparently at some point they decided to wear the snowflakes on their home whites — and then got caught short when LeBron had them switch back to blue. … In other follow-up news, yesterday I posted pics showing Al Harris wearing biker shorts and super-high whites. But that was just in the first half — Jeff Ash reports that Harris switched to super-low whites in the second half. … Still more follow-up news: Yesterday I linked to this catalog for a tabletop soccer game called Subbuteo. Turns out Jeremy Brahm is a Subbuteo enthusiast, and he pointed me toward several web pages related to the game. There are old boxes shown here, old uniforms here, and more uniforms here. … And yet another follow-up: Yesterday I showed James vanRiemsdyk and his small-caps/caps NOB. “JVR (as he is known on campus) also plays for UNH,” reports Adrian Kerrison. “We have a bold, italicized font on our nameplates so I don’t envy the staff trying to fit his name on there. Here’s a photo that gives a good view of the lowercase-uppercase mix.” … Why does this Michigan helmet have a gray facemask? Details here (good find by Jason Hillyer). … While looking for something else, I came across this shot of 1960s heavyweight boxer Buster Mathis shooting hoops. … Lots of you enjoyed Bryan Justman‘s recent entry about making his own DIY hockey jerseys. Here’s his latest creation: a Blackhawks Winter Classic jersey. … Something I’d completely forgotten about until I stumbled across a photo of it yesterday: Jose Canseco briefly wore double-zero during his 1998 stint with the Blue Jays. … Reprinted from yesterday’s comments: The rink setup at the Winter Classic will apparently look like this. Note the team logos in the on-deck circles. … Also from yesterday: When the Steelers’ medical staff took Big Ben off the field on Sunday, they removed his facemask but not his helmet, because they didn’t want to jostle his noggin. … Here’s an interesting find: This vintage basketball warm-up top has snaps on the back so a player’s nameplate could be affixed and then removed. … Really nice warm-up top here, too. … There’s a whole subculture of people whose hobby is to sneak into abandoned buildings and poke around (I’ve done a decent amount of this myself, although not nearly enough to qualify me as a full-fledged member of the club). One such person apparently snuck into the Aud in Buffalo last year and took a bunch of cool photos. Check out his story here (with thanks to Michael Joachim). … Reprinted from last night’s comments: a Scott Player imposter, complete with low-bar facemask (wrong helmet brand, though). … Like they always say, there’s no such thing as bad publicity (with thanks to the many readers who sent screen shots of CNN’s home page last night). … “I visited the Carnegie Science Center last Friday because I wanted to see the train display,” writes Doug Keklak. “I thought it would be relevant to share some photos of it, mainly the replica of Forbes Field. The man working the display said the stadium crowd was made up of over 20,000 hand-painted Q-tips.” Additional details worth savoring: the waving flags, the runner suspended in mid-slide (but did anyone slide head-first back then?), and the street lamps. And hey, one kid checking out the exhibit was wearing awesome striped sleeves. Sign that kid up!

 

133 comments to Portraits in the Paint

  • LI Phil | December 30, 2008 at 8:25 am |

    “It could be a very bright game.”

    always good to see PL quoted

    is the U of zero the home team tonight? guess there’s no chance they’ll break out throwbacks (yeah…i know the article says black uni’s and green lids, but that never stopped them before from pulling a lebron)

  • Ricko | December 30, 2008 at 8:43 am |

    This is far from perfect…but yesterday we talked about striped sleeves UNDER the new “shoulder pad vests” that jerseys are becoming. So I doctored a photo a bit. TV’s could be larger, that’s for sure.

    Here’s a side-by-side…
    http://farm4.static....

    —Ricko

  • Lose Remerswaal | December 30, 2008 at 8:49 am |

    I’m not understanding the CNN page link

  • Ricko | December 30, 2008 at 8:50 am |

    [quote comment=”307737″]I’m not understanding the CNN page link[/quote]

    It’s about the Nike hat in the photo.

  • Stuby | December 30, 2008 at 8:51 am |

    The facemask removal is common practice for victims of concussion or other head injuries. I recall them doing it as far back as the Michael Irvin injury in Philly:

    http://sportsillustr...

  • Joe D | December 30, 2008 at 8:51 am |

    Here is an article on the white USF helmets they used for the St. Pete Bowl. Apparently they wanted to use them for the West Virginia game, but when they found out WVU was doing a “white out” for Pat White, they decided to save them for the bowl game.

    http://www.gousfbull...

  • JTH | December 30, 2008 at 8:53 am |

    [quote comment=”307735″]“It could be a very bright game.”

    always good to see PL quoted

    is the U of zero the home team tonight? guess there’s no chance they’ll break out throwbacks (yeah…i know the article says black uni’s and green lids, but that never stopped them before from pulling a lebron)[/quote]
    Speaking of the Holiday Bowl, I caught this tale of the tape regarding the two schools’ billionaire boosters during a preview segment that was on last night.

  • Nolan | December 30, 2008 at 8:55 am |

    Aren’t those illustrations setting that guy up for a lawsuit? Isn’t it illegal to use a person’s likeness without their permission?

  • Craig D | December 30, 2008 at 9:00 am |

    Re: the gray facemask on the Michigan helmet. That is an Ohio State scout team player. It was an article in the paper about how all scout team players wear the opposinng team’s colors. That kid was using blue tape and the winged decal.

  • Craig D | December 30, 2008 at 9:01 am |

    And if I would continue reading the ticker before commenting I wouldn’t be so redundantly redundant….Sorry about the Michigan helmet post there. I’ll be over in the corner.

  • Jason | December 30, 2008 at 9:05 am |

    I can’t believe the prices people are asking for tickets to that Winter Classic game, considering there are no seats worth more than about $40 in that configuration.

  • jere | December 30, 2008 at 9:12 am |

    Gotta be a knockoff Nike hat, right? Too curly and too long, that swoosh…

    And where’s the automatic tarp roller at Forbes Field?! He coulda used a Fruit Roll-up!

  • u2-horn | December 30, 2008 at 9:15 am |

    [quote comment=”307739″]The facemask removal is common practice for victims of concussion or other head injuries. I recall them doing it as far back as the Michael Irvin injury in Philly:

    http://sportsillustr...

    If you stare at that picture and listen really closely, you can hear the Philly fans cheering his injury…

  • u2-horn | December 30, 2008 at 9:16 am |

    That quote on the Caron Butler illustration is from I Corinthians

    some background:

    http://www.washingto...

  • Rick | December 30, 2008 at 9:16 am |

    Looks like Al Harris simply just cut off the whites instead of having to take everything off and get retaped…probably not enought time for retaping.

  • Stuby | December 30, 2008 at 9:19 am |

    [quote comment=”307747″][quote comment=”307739″]The facemask removal is common practice for victims of concussion or other head injuries. I recall them doing it as far back as the Michael Irvin injury in Philly:

    http://sportsillustr...

    If you stare at that picture and listen really closely, you can hear the Philly fans cheering his injury…[/quote]
    I now think of Ray Rice’s mom when they remove the facemask:

    http://www.flickr.co...

  • Lwiedy | December 30, 2008 at 9:23 am |

    Nice set of early 70’s NFL theme art posters:
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...
    This guy always has good stuff, check out “other items”, there is a set of 1970’s MLB player lunch bags.

  • Tim | December 30, 2008 at 9:32 am |

    Anyone else think Northwestern’s “N” helmet logo was placed a bit high last night?

  • Mike | December 30, 2008 at 9:33 am |

    Every fall we practice removing facemasks and how to properly remove pads from injured football players (high school level). There is a whole training program we have to go through in order to provide an ambulance at one of the games, you simply cannot just roll out and treat patients like any other head injury. There is really no reason to remove the helmet on the field, or anywhere else until it is determined there is no spinal injury.

  • Bren | December 30, 2008 at 9:40 am |

    Great cross-marketing link here found in the story about the Aud:
    http://bisonshistory...

  • Stuby | December 30, 2008 at 9:47 am |

    [quote comment=”307752″]Anyone else think Northwestern’s “N” helmet logo was placed a bit high last night?[/quote]
    Your linked pics also illustrate the issue pointed out by Evan last night. Northwestern’s Adidas logo is in different spots on those two jerseys.

  • Paul Lukas | December 30, 2008 at 9:51 am |

    Today’s ESPN column just got bumped back to tomorrow. Normally I don’t run full-length blog content on the day an ESPN column is running, but I’ll do so tomorrow to make up for today’s short entry.

    Tomorrow’s blog entry is a real doozie, too.

  • Flip | December 30, 2008 at 10:02 am |

    [quote comment=”307755″][quote comment=”307752″]Anyone else think Northwestern’s “N” helmet logo was placed a bit high last night?[/quote]
    Your linked pics also illustrate the issue pointed out by Evan last night. Northwestern’s Adidas logo is in different spots on those two jerseys.[/quote]

    Too bad Northwestern lost, I liked the high white socks and spats.
    http://nusports.cstv...

  • Dave in Maine | December 30, 2008 at 10:16 am |

    [quote comment=”307745″]I can’t believe the prices people are asking for tickets to that Winter Classic game, considering there are no seats worth more than about $40 in that configuration.[/quote]

    I totally agree. I don’t understand why they put the rink in the middle of the field…they could at least place it so you can see it clearly from the grandstand. Besides, there’s no point giving the bleacher bums a good view–they’ll be even more drunken and oblivious at a hockey game than at any Cubs game.

  • Jim Walaitis | December 30, 2008 at 10:21 am |

    [quote comment=”307745″]I can’t believe the prices people are asking for tickets to that Winter Classic game, considering there are no seats worth more than about $40 in that configuration.[/quote]

    There’s a photo gallery link on the Cubs website for construction of the rink http://chicago.cubs..... A few interesting notes:

    1. I thought I’d read that the rink was moved closer to the infield, to give most fans a closer look at the game. I the photos shown, it looks to be in the exact same spot shown on the illustration.

    2. The dugout tops still sport the NLDS re-work.

    3. The “famous” beer ad that had been a source of controversy last year has been replaced. Same parent company, different product.

    4. Still no WS flag.

  • Mickel Yantz | December 30, 2008 at 10:25 am |

    The Seattle PI has a gallery of Seahawks players cleaning out there lockers. Besides learning the players are only allowed to keep 2 jerseys and 1 helmet, here’s a shot of John Carlson. He is holding the away jersey from game 1 of the season that had the GU patch. Meaning the ‘Hawks didn’t take the patches off for the rest of the season they wore completely new jerseys.
    http://seattlepi.nws...

  • LI Phil | December 30, 2008 at 10:26 am |

    [quote]there’s no point giving the bleacher bums a good view–they’ll be even more drunken and oblivious at a hockey game than at any Cubs game.[/quote]

    screw everyone equally?

  • Ricko | December 30, 2008 at 10:29 am |

    [quote comment=”307757″][quote comment=”307755″][quote comment=”307752″]Anyone else think Northwestern’s “N” helmet logo was placed a bit high last night?[/quote]
    Your linked pics also illustrate the issue pointed out by Evan last night. Northwestern’s Adidas logo is in different spots on those two jerseys.[/quote]

    Too bad Northwestern lost, I liked the high white socks and spats.
    http://nusports.cstv...

    Yup, they’re about the only team doing that. Very school and fun. If a dozen teams did it, not so much.

  • Ricko | December 30, 2008 at 10:35 am |

    That Wrigley configuration does point out that football stadiums might be the better way to go for future Winter Classics, doesn’t it.

    —Ricko

  • Robert in Dallas | December 30, 2008 at 10:37 am |

    [quote comment=”307759″]
    3. The “famous” beer ad that had been a source of controversy last year has been replaced. Same parent company, different product.[/quote]

    What was the controversy? Which famous beer?

  • Jim Walaitis | December 30, 2008 at 10:38 am |

    [quote comment=”307763″]That Wrigley configuration does point out that football stadiums might be the better way to go for future Winter Classics, doesn’t it.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    But Wrigley WAS a football stadium most of your life, Ricko! ;)

  • Beardface | December 30, 2008 at 10:39 am |

    [quote comment=”307764″][quote comment=”307759″]
    3. The “famous” beer ad that had been a source of controversy last year has been replaced. Same parent company, different product.[/quote]

    What was the controversy? Which famous beer?[/quote]
    The Cubs didn’t like the advertising, but couldn’t really do anything about it since the sign was outside the stadium

    Budweiser… now switched to the Bud Light ‘Drinkability’ sign

  • Teebz | December 30, 2008 at 10:43 am |

    [quote comment=”307761″][quote]there’s no point giving the bleacher bums a good view–they’ll be even more drunken and oblivious at a hockey game than at any Cubs game.[/quote]

    screw everyone equally?[/quote]

    I’m not sure if anyone is aware, but check out the rink placement in both Edmonton from the Heritage Classic and in Buffalo for the Winter Classic.

    Neither were anywhere close to the fans, although with a rectangular football field, they were much closer to the fans than the rink is at Wrigley.

  • JTH | December 30, 2008 at 10:43 am |

    [quote comment=”307766″][quote comment=”307764″][quote comment=”307759″]
    3. The “famous” beer ad that had been a source of controversy last year has been replaced. Same parent company, different product.[/quote]

    What was the controversy? Which famous beer?[/quote]
    The Cubs didn’t like the advertising, but couldn’t really do anything about it since the sign was outside the stadium

    Budweiser… now switched to the Bud Light ‘Drinkability’ sign[/quote]
    No, the controversy was between Anheuser-Busch (or whatever the hell they’re called now) and the owner of the house on Waveland Ave. Owner covered the ad for a week or so toward the end of the baseball season because he claimed that the beer company hadn’t paid him.

  • Shane | December 30, 2008 at 10:48 am |

    [quote comment=”307763″]That Wrigley configuration does point out that football stadiums might be the better way to go for future Winter Classics, doesn’t it.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    As much as I’d love to see one at Fenway Park, you’re right. I’m pretty sure the NHL’s beef with Fenway is mostly over capacity though, they could fit a hell of a lot more asses into Gilette Stadium than Fenway.

  • Brendon | December 30, 2008 at 10:51 am |

    [quote comment=”307759″][quote comment=”307745″]I can’t believe the prices people are asking for tickets to that Winter Classic game, considering there are no seats worth more than about $40 in that configuration.[/quote]

    4. Still no WS flag.[/quote]

    There will never be a WS flag.
    Trust me, I’m a Cleveland fan. I know about no hope.

  • Jim Walaitis | December 30, 2008 at 10:53 am |

    [quote comment=”307770″][quote comment=”307759″][quote comment=”307745″]I can’t believe the prices people are asking for tickets to that Winter Classic game, considering there are no seats worth more than about $40 in that configuration.[/quote]

    4. Still no WS flag.[/quote]

    There will never be a WS flag.
    Trust me, I’m a Cleveland fan. I know about no hope.[/quote]

    A guy can dream, can’t he?

  • JTH | December 30, 2008 at 11:02 am |

    [quote comment=”307768″][quote comment=”307766″][quote comment=”307764″][quote comment=”307759″]
    3. The “famous” beer ad that had been a source of controversy last year has been replaced. Same parent company, different product.[/quote]

    What was the controversy? Which famous beer?[/quote]
    The Cubs didn’t like the advertising, but couldn’t really do anything about it since the sign was outside the stadium

    Budweiser… now switched to the Bud Light ‘Drinkability’ sign[/quote]
    No, the controversy was between Anheuser-Busch (or whatever the hell they’re called now) and the owner of the house on Waveland Ave. Owner covered the ad for a week or so toward the end of the baseball season because he claimed that the beer company hadn’t paid him.[/quote]
    Story
    Pic

    I love the way that the Bud sign is described as an “icon” despite the fact that, until 1988, the roof had WGN ads on it. When the lights were installed, the house’s owner supposedly sold the ad space to A-B in protest.

  • Ricko | December 30, 2008 at 11:03 am |

    [quote comment=”307765″][quote comment=”307763″]That Wrigley configuration does point out that football stadiums might be the better way to go for future Winter Classics, doesn’t it.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    But Wrigley WAS a football stadium most of your life, Ricko! ;)[/quote]

    And that made only slightly more sense than using it as a hockey arena. LOL.

    Wasn’t most of my life, just the first, let’s see…38% or so.

    For the moment, that is. With any luck that number will get smaller and smaller.

  • Belgium Endive | December 30, 2008 at 11:05 am |

    In regard to the winter classic, I think it’s not out of the realm of possibility – that for future gamss – a temporary areans gets built in a scenic location. i.e. maybe build a temp 10,000 seat arena in Central park or Aspen. If the game can generate a TV rating outside the normal range of 1.0 for a regular season game, I would think it would be more important to the NHL to think of creative way of creating great visuals – that help sustain decent television interest, than to try and pack as many fans in a stadium not really suitable for hockey.

    Will there be a sun/shade issue with the current rink configuration?

  • Giancarlo | December 30, 2008 at 11:09 am |

    [quote comment=”307751″]Nice set of early 70’s NFL theme art posters:
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...
    [/quote]
    Wonder why the Lions are depicted in black pants in their poster. Also, just when did the Broncos wear those orange pants? Did they alternate orange to white season by season during the late ’60s/’70s? During the season? Was there any pattern?

  • Teebz | December 30, 2008 at 11:11 am |

    [quote comment=”307774″]
    Will there be a sun/shade issue with the current rink configuration?[/quote]

    Shouldn’t be. The rink is in a north-south configuration. If it were east-west as baseball diamonds are setup, there may be an issue.

  • Brendon | December 30, 2008 at 11:23 am |

    [quote comment=”307771″][quote comment=”307770″][quote comment=”307759″][quote comment=”307745″]I can’t believe the prices people are asking for tickets to that Winter Classic game, considering there are no seats worth more than about $40 in that configuration.[/quote]

    4. Still no WS flag.[/quote]

    There will never be a WS flag.
    Trust me, I’m a Cleveland fan. I know about no hope.[/quote]

    A guy can dream, can’t he?[/quote]

    You can. I’m almost done dreaming

  • Kerry P | December 30, 2008 at 11:25 am |

    [quote comment=”307752″]Anyone else think Northwestern’s “N” helmet logo was placed a bit high last night?[/quote]
    I noticed that right away. The tops of the decals almost meet at the crown of the helmet.

  • Beardface | December 30, 2008 at 11:26 am |

    For those who care… Virginia Tech is going with the all-white throwbacks for the Orange Bowl…

    Also got wind from someone ‘in the know’ that this will be their full-time design next year. The ‘designer’ Nike unis will be scrapped, and they’ll be going with the LSU look for both home maroons and away whites. Also wouldn’t be surprised to see an orange version for the yearly ‘Orange Effect’ game…

  • Ricko | December 30, 2008 at 11:28 am |

    [quote comment=”307775″][quote comment=”307751″]Nice set of early 70’s NFL theme art posters:
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...
    [/quote]
    Wonder why the Lions are depicted in black pants in their poster. Also, just when did the Broncos wear those orange pants? Did they alternate orange to white season by season during the late ’60s/’70s? During the season? Was there any pattern?[/quote]

    Lions pants are dark on the Bears poster cuz they’re in the shadow of the tackler. Where teh sun is hitting them, they’re silver.

    Broncos wore orange pants with their white jerseys, always, with that first set of Blue-helmet uns (Floyd Little era). Pre-Elway the orange pants went bye-bye and they stuck with white pants all the time. Was, I believe, the third orange jersey the Broncos had. First was an orange and white version of the 49ers. Second orange jersey had huge royal sleeve inserts edged in white, with white TV numbers. Orange helmets with those first two.

    —Ricko

  • Rob | December 30, 2008 at 11:29 am |

    The Wrigley rink rendering appears to include goal judge boxes behind each net. It looks too early to tell if the actual rink will have them, but I didn’t see them in Edmonton or Buffalo. Anyone know if Chicago will actually have goal judges again? With the sightlines looking as long as they do, I wouldn’t be surprised if the NHL wanted someone sitting close to the action again.

  • Beardface | December 30, 2008 at 11:29 am |

    [quote comment=”307770″][quote comment=”307759″][quote comment=”307745″]I can’t believe the prices people are asking for tickets to that Winter Classic game, considering there are no seats worth more than about $40 in that configuration.[/quote]

    4. Still no WS flag.[/quote]

    There will never be a WS flag.
    Trust me, I’m a Cleveland fan. I know about no hope.[/quote]
    Boston and Philly fans used to say the same thing…

    Wouldn’t be surprised to see the Cubs win it all in the next decade… Could very well have been next year if they win the Lowe sweepstakes

  • Tim | December 30, 2008 at 11:31 am |

    [quote comment=”307757″][quote comment=”307755″][quote comment=”307752″]Anyone else think Northwestern’s “N” helmet logo was placed a bit high last night?[/quote]
    Your linked pics also illustrate the issue pointed out by Evan last night. Northwestern’s Adidas logo is in different spots on those two jerseys.[/quote]

    Too bad Northwestern lost, I liked the high white socks and spats.
    http://nusports.cstv...

    I agree 100%, very clean and sharp look. NU has had players do that for years. If only they didnt wear purple.

  • Ricko | December 30, 2008 at 11:32 am |

    [quote comment=”307775″][quote comment=”307751″]Nice set of early 70’s NFL theme art posters:
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...
    [/quote]
    Wonder why the Lions are depicted in black pants in their poster. Also, just when did the Broncos wear those orange pants? Did they alternate orange to white season by season during the late ’60s/’70s? During the season? Was there any pattern?[/quote]

    As to the Lions specific poster…that’s just artistic license. Obviously was a different artist for each team, and some were more esoteric than accurate.

  • LI Phil | December 30, 2008 at 11:33 am |

    [quote comment=”307779″]For those who care… Virginia Tech is going with the all-white throwbacks for the Orange Bowl…[/quote]

    effin sweet…that’s their best uni since…well…the original they’re throwing back to

    [quote]Also got wind from someone ‘in the know’ that this will be their full-time design next year. The ‘designer’ Nike unis will be scrapped, and they’ll be going with the LSU look for both home maroons and away whites. Also wouldn’t be surprised to see an orange version for the yearly ‘Orange Effect’ game…[/quote]

    who? anyone reliable? if this is good info you should share it with paul

  • Paul M | December 30, 2008 at 11:35 am |

    #47, Rob- heres a link to a cam at Wrigley- claims to be “live” and I dont see any goal judge boxes just yet.

    I bet if you keep an eye on it in the next 24 hours youll probably have a clearer answer, but I dont think they are going to have them.

  • Paul M | December 30, 2008 at 11:36 am |

    Stupid, i left the link off

    here it is
    http://www.cubworld....

  • LI Phil | December 30, 2008 at 11:36 am |

    [quote]very clean and sharp look. NU has had players do that for years. If only they didnt wear purple.[/quote]

    they kind of have a history with purple

    btw…why don’t they wear northwestern stripes anymore???

  • Chad | December 30, 2008 at 11:44 am |

    nike’s logo creep has even reached the cocaine factories of south america http://farm3.static....

  • War Damn Eagle | December 30, 2008 at 11:47 am |

    [quote comment=”307752″]Anyone else think Northwestern’s “N” helmet logo was placed a bit high last night?[/quote]

  • Beardface | December 30, 2008 at 11:48 am |

    [quote comment=”307785″][quote comment=”307779″]For those who care… Virginia Tech is going with the all-white throwbacks for the Orange Bowl…[/quote]

    effin sweet…that’s their best uni since…well…the original they’re throwing back to

    [quote]Also got wind from someone ‘in the know’ that this will be their full-time design next year. The ‘designer’ Nike unis will be scrapped, and they’ll be going with the LSU look for both home maroons and away whites. Also wouldn’t be surprised to see an orange version for the yearly ‘Orange Effect’ game…[/quote]

    who? anyone reliable? if this is good info you should share it with paul[/quote]
    There’s a guy who posts under the handle ‘VTizzle’ at the techsideline.com forums. I don’t know specifically what role he has, but he works close to the football team and has been ‘leaking’ information on what uniforms the VT team will wear on a weekly basis. A couple weeks ago, he confirmed that VT has been in contact with Nike to develop a maroon version of the throwback, and signs are that they will be the standard set for the team. The reasoning for this… the players LOVE the throwback look, and prefer to wear them over the ‘designer’ jerseys every chance they get.

    Also, about the unis themselves. Technically, these are not throwbacks. VT has NEVER worn this exact style. They are actually a mashup of a bunch of uniforms they have worn in the past. One detail I really like that I hope they keep next year is the old-school VT logo on the collar.

  • War Damn Eagle | December 30, 2008 at 11:48 am |

    [quote comment=”307752″]Anyone else think Northwestern’s “N” helmet logo was placed a bit high last night?[/quote]

    It’s definitely a little high, but I will say this in their defense: it prevents the chinstrap from obstructing the logo. Just look at the Mizzou player in the background – the chinstrap bleeds over the “M” logo.

  • Chad | December 30, 2008 at 11:55 am |

    naming the college bowls quiz http://www.mentalflo...

  • Ricko | December 30, 2008 at 11:59 am |

    [quote comment=”307792″][quote comment=”307752″]Anyone else think Northwestern’s “N” helmet logo was placed a bit high last night?[/quote]

    It’s definitely a little high, but I will say this in their defense: it prevents the chinstrap from obstructing the logo. Just look at the Mizzou player in the background – the chinstrap bleeds over the “M” logo.[/quote]

    Absolutely true. And if you look closely many logos are farther back (not quite as centered above the earhole) or smaller than they were in the era of double bar facemasks. Large masks (cages) forced “relocation” or “shrinkage” of a many a helmet logo/graphic.

    —Ricko

  • Patrick | December 30, 2008 at 12:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”307736″]This is far from perfect…but yesterday we talked about striped sleeves UNDER the new “shoulder pad vests” that jerseys are becoming. So I doctored a photo a bit. TV’s could be larger, that’s for sure.

    Here’s a side-by-side…
    http://farm4.static....

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Nice job. Like we discussed yesterday, this is a perfectly logical compromise between “sleeves” and today’s shrinking jerseys, which are indeed more of a colored shell than a shirt. I’m surprised we haven’t seen it attempted yet.

  • Lwiedy | December 30, 2008 at 12:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”307782″][quote comment=”307770″][quote comment=”307759″][quote comment=”307745″]I can’t believe the prices people are asking for tickets to that Winter Classic game, considering there are no seats worth more than about $40 in that configuration.[/quote]

    4. Still no WS flag.[/quote]

    There will never be a WS flag.
    Trust me, I’m a Cleveland fan. I know about no hope.[/quote]
    Boston and Philly fans used to say the same thing…

    Wouldn’t be surprised to see the Cubs win it all in the next decade… Could very well have been next year if they win the Lowe sweepstakes[/quote]

    Yes, throwing $$$ at whoever is available always works!

  • Lwiedy | December 30, 2008 at 12:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”307796″][quote comment=”307782″][quote comment=”307770″][quote comment=”307759″][quote comment=”307745″]I can’t believe the prices people are asking for tickets to that Winter Classic game, considering there are no seats worth more than about $40 in that configuration.[/quote]

    4. Still no WS flag.[/quote]

    There will never be a WS flag.
    Trust me, I’m a Cleveland fan. I know about no hope.[/quote]
    Boston and Philly fans used to say the same thing…

    Wouldn’t be surprised to see the Cubs win it all in the next decade… Could very well have been next year if they win the Lowe sweepstakes[/quote]

    Yes, throwing $$$ at whomever is available always works![/quote]

    Corrected!

  • Kek | December 30, 2008 at 12:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”307791″][quote comment=”307785″][quote comment=”307779″]For those who care… Virginia Tech is going with the all-white throwbacks for the Orange Bowl…[/quote]

    effin sweet…that’s their best uni since…well…the original they’re throwing back to

    [quote]Also got wind from someone ‘in the know’ that this will be their full-time design next year. The ‘designer’ Nike unis will be scrapped, and they’ll be going with the LSU look for both home maroons and away whites. Also wouldn’t be surprised to see an orange version for the yearly ‘Orange Effect’ game…[/quote]

    who? anyone reliable? if this is good info you should share it with paul[/quote]
    There’s a guy who posts under the handle ‘VTizzle’ at the techsideline.com forums. I don’t know specifically what role he has, but he works close to the football team and has been ‘leaking’ information on what uniforms the VT team will wear on a weekly basis. A couple weeks ago, he confirmed that VT has been in contact with Nike to develop a maroon version of the throwback, and signs are that they will be the standard set for the team. The reasoning for this… the players LOVE the throwback look, and prefer to wear them over the ‘designer’ jerseys every chance they get.

    Also, about the unis themselves. Technically, these are not throwbacks. VT has NEVER worn this exact style. They are actually a mashup of a bunch of uniforms they have worn in the past. One detail I really like that I hope they keep next year is the old-school VT logo on the collar.[/quote]
    Wow….imagine that. The players like a look over the current look and they’re going to get to wear it. The fans I’m sure support this too. How novel.

    Not like here in Pittsburgh where I would argue there is no former look that fans would rather go back to in the nation than the Pitt script. The players would be for it, the coach would be for it, the fans no doubt would be for it.

    But NOOOOOOOOO. Instead, you have an administration that’s in bed with Adidas that gets to have their cake and eat it too as they won’t switch unis, but have no problem pumping out throwback gear like tees, sweats, hats, etc at premium prices.

    And to add to the issue, you have a lazy, subpar beat writer that uses his webspace to take an anti-change stance and blast anyone that asks him about it that they’re living-in-the-past and that the-only-time-uniforms-and-logos-are-talked-about-is-when-the-team-isn’t-winning.

    I know a lot of y’all in here hate Nike, but I think Pitt would have been better had they remained a Nike school for football. Nike has shown that they have embraced some really good throwback looks and there would probably be one more often worn by the school…if not a complete switch back to the script. Possibly they would have kept the navy/vegas gold, updated colors but used the script (like Blades and Palko did in the senior bowl, much to the dismay of the administration). I know Adidas made the throwbacks they wore against Youngstown State back in 2005, but I doubt they realized the shitstorm they were going to have with people wanting a fulltime switch (they probably wouldn’t have done it otherwise).

    OK, Pitt rant done!

  • Ricko | December 30, 2008 at 12:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”307795″][quote comment=”307736″]This is far from perfect…but yesterday we talked about striped sleeves UNDER the new “shoulder pad vests” that jerseys are becoming. So I doctored a photo a bit. TV’s could be larger, that’s for sure.

    Here’s a side-by-side…
    http://farm4.static....

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Nice job. Like we discussed yesterday, this is a perfectly logical compromise between “sleeves” and today’s shrinking jerseys, which are indeed more of a colored shell than a shirt. I’m surprised we haven’t seen it attempted yet.[/quote]

    Thanks. The more I look at that, the more I think that team versions…such as this one with an embroidered poloshirt-style 49ers logo on the left chest and such sleeve striping (long sleeve version, too)…might sell pretty well as workout gear.

    Imagine a black Steelers version with their striping around the upper arms…or a forest Packers…a ‘Skins burgundy…Bears navy? Not a bad item for NFL Properties. Kinda the 70’s meeting today’s materials.

    Downside? Not every team would have them. So that probably makes it a “No.”

  • Matt | December 30, 2008 at 12:19 pm |

    Subbuteo always was a cool-LOOKING game, but if you want a table game that looks even better and is fun to play: tablehockey.com … I have it; awesome.

  • Dan | December 30, 2008 at 12:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”307736″]This is far from perfect…but yesterday we talked about striped sleeves UNDER the new “shoulder pad vests” that jerseys are becoming. So I doctored a photo a bit. TV’s could be larger, that’s for sure.

    Here’s a side-by-side…
    http://farm4.static....

    —Ricko[/quote]

    That’s exactly the type of sleeve I miss, especially on the Niners jersey. Great job :)

  • MPowers1634 | December 30, 2008 at 12:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”307743″]Re: the gray facemask on the Michigan helmet. That is an Ohio State scout team player. It was an article in the paper about how all scout team players wear the opposinng team’s colors. That kid was using blue tape and the winged decal.[/quote]

    GREAT, great story on many levels!

  • Dan | December 30, 2008 at 12:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”307742″]Aren’t those illustrations setting that guy up for a lawsuit? Isn’t it illegal to use a person’s likeness without their permission?[/quote]

    Im not really sure on the laws regarding this, and they may well be different here in England anyway, but I’ve been painting NFL players for many years and have never had a problem – it’s had more of an opposite effect personally; in the last six months I’ve had or am doing work for some current and former NFL players, and now the NFL themselves have asked for some paintings – when they got in touch with me I thought I might be in trouble, but a lot of my work has come from word of mouth rather than legal issues. It might be because I don’t make any money from it as such though!

  • MPowers1634 | December 30, 2008 at 12:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”307750″][quote comment=”307747″][quote comment=”307739″]The facemask removal is common practice for victims of concussion or other head injuries. I recall them doing it as far back as the Michael Irvin injury in Philly:

    http://sportsillustr...

    If you stare at that picture and listen really closely, you can hear the Philly fans cheering his injury…[/quote]
    I now think of Ray Rice’s mom when they remove the facemask:

    http://www.flickr.co...

    That’s no junk helmet either! That’s a Schutt AiRXP!

    When Rice was a senior at New Rochelle HS, he ran all over North Rockland one Friday afternoon.

    Five touchdowns, every extra point…he was amazing!

  • Giancarlo | December 30, 2008 at 12:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”307780″]
    Broncos wore orange pants with their white jerseys, always, with that first set of Blue-helmet uns (Floyd Little era). Pre-Elway the orange pants went bye-bye and they stuck with white pants all the time. Was, I believe, the third orange jersey the Broncos had. First was an orange and white version of the 49ers. Second orange jersey had huge royal sleeve inserts edged in white, with white TV numbers. Orange helmets with those first two.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Thanks, but I’m almost certain I’ve seen pics of the Broncos in all white from the early ’70s, smack in the middle of the orange pants era. I remember as a kid in the ’70s being confused as to what color their away pants really were. Which year was the last ever for orange pants?

  • Teebz | December 30, 2008 at 12:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”307805″]
    That’s no junk helmet either! That’s a Schutt AiRXP!

    When Rice was a senior at New Rochelle HS, he ran all over North Rockland one Friday afternoon.

    Five touchdowns, every extra point…he was amazing![/quote]

    He was Al Bundy? LOL

  • interlockingtc | December 30, 2008 at 1:06 pm |

    Joel Kimmel, nice work. Continued inspiration to you.

    I owned every one of those 1970’s NFL art posters. They still look good today, I think. I especially love the rich thickness of the paint on the Oilers helmet, and the abstract qualities found on many of them (the Saints, for instance, with the horn depicted in the guy’s soul), and the unusual compositions….

    Looking at photos of abandoned sports arenas is fascinating and bittersweet, no?

  • Ricko | December 30, 2008 at 1:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”307806″][quote comment=”307780″]
    Broncos wore orange pants with their white jerseys, always, with that first set of Blue-helmet uns (Floyd Little era). Pre-Elway the orange pants went bye-bye and they stuck with white pants all the time. Was, I believe, the third orange jersey the Broncos had. First was an orange and white version of the 49ers. Second orange jersey had huge royal sleeve inserts edged in white, with white TV numbers. Orange helmets with those first two.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Thanks, but I’m almost certain I’ve seen pics of the Broncos in all white from the early ’70s, smack in the middle of the orange pants era. I remember as a kid in the ’70s being confused as to what color their away pants really were. Which year was the last ever for orange pants?[/quote]

    I’ll dig a little tonight. Although to the best of my recollection they were consistent—orange pants with white jerseys—until they eliminated the orange pants entirely. Wanna say the change came around the time Charley Johnson was the Broncos QB. Lord knows I could be wrong, just sayin’ don’t ever recall noticing they were being…”variable.” If they did eschew the orange pants, it was a here & there thing, because if it happened regularly I like to think I’d have noticed it. I religiously watched every highlight show I could find.
    Now, preseason, that would be something else altogether. They very well could have gone white-over-white a time or two in preseason during the “orange pants era”.

    Timmy B knows for sure, I’ll bet. And, hey, I am perfectly willing to be wrong. I noted what I could, but that was still before widespread cable TV, much less the Internet.

  • Pedro | December 30, 2008 at 1:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”307786″]#47, Rob- heres a link to a cam at Wrigley- claims to be “live” and I dont see any goal judge boxes just yet.

    I bet if you keep an eye on it in the next 24 hours youll probably have a clearer answer, but I dont think they are going to have them.[/quote]

    Looks like they’re not turning the whole field into a ice rink like that initial picture showed. I was wondering how/why they would do that.

  • Beardface | December 30, 2008 at 1:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”307810″][quote comment=”307786″]#47, Rob- heres a link to a cam at Wrigley- claims to be “live” and I dont see any goal judge boxes just yet.

    I bet if you keep an eye on it in the next 24 hours youll probably have a clearer answer, but I dont think they are going to have them.[/quote]

    Looks like they’re not turning the whole field into a ice rink like that initial picture showed. I was wondering how/why they would do that.[/quote]
    They were never planning on turning the whole field into ice… That picture depicted a snow colored field

  • Lwiedy | December 30, 2008 at 1:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”307806″][quote comment=”307780″]
    Broncos wore orange pants with their white jerseys, always, with that first set of Blue-helmet uns (Floyd Little era). Pre-Elway the orange pants went bye-bye and they stuck with white pants all the time. Was, I believe, the third orange jersey the Broncos had. First was an orange and white version of the 49ers. Second orange jersey had huge royal sleeve inserts edged in white, with white TV numbers. Orange helmets with those first two.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Thanks, but I’m almost certain I’ve seen pics of the Broncos in all white from the early ’70s, smack in the middle of the orange pants era. I remember as a kid in the ’70s being confused as to what color their away pants really were. Which year was the last ever for orange pants?[/quote]

    It is often a decent bet that Topps used images from the previous year for each set. Not always, but most of the time. Assuming that to be true they wore orange pants through the 1979 season.
    1979 (’78 photo?) Topps Rick Upchurch: http://cgi.ebay.com/...
    1980 (’79 photo?) Topps Upchurch: http://cgi.ebay.com/...
    You are also right there was all white in the mid-1970’s: http://cgi.ebay.com/...
    Here’s the orange pants in the early ‘70’s (a very dark orange like Ricko pointed out): http://cgi.ebay.com/...

  • Teebz | December 30, 2008 at 1:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”307810″][quote comment=”307786″]#47, Rob- heres a link to a cam at Wrigley- claims to be “live” and I dont see any goal judge boxes just yet.

    I bet if you keep an eye on it in the next 24 hours youll probably have a clearer answer, but I dont think they are going to have them.[/quote]

    Looks like they’re not turning the whole field into a ice rink like that initial picture showed. I was wondering how/why they would do that.[/quote]

    1. Ice will kill Wrigley’s grass. Anyone who builds an outdoor rink knows that you need some sort of protective covering over top of the grass to allow it to survive once the spring thaw occurs. I don’t think the NHL was willing to budget for a gigantic area of grass.

    2. The NHL invested in a portable rink design. This rink is NHL-sized, and comes complete with a cooling system and pipes to freeze the ice surface. Cost of this was reportedly anywhere between $15,000 to $85,000 for the NHL. The good news is that they can “build” a rink anywhere they like now.

    3. The problem of having a “run-off” area in Buffalo has been alleviated by this system. If it rains/sleets, the crew can effectively zamboni over the fallen water as it will freeze almost instantly with this new refrigeration unit, rather than trying to squeegee it off the ice surface. Unless it goes above 40F on New Year’s Day, the ice should remain as good as if it were 30F thanks to this technology.

  • Pedro | December 30, 2008 at 1:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”307811″][quote comment=”307810″][quote comment=”307786″]#47, Rob- heres a link to a cam at Wrigley- claims to be “live” and I dont see any goal judge boxes just yet.

    I bet if you keep an eye on it in the next 24 hours youll probably have a clearer answer, but I dont think they are going to have them.[/quote]

    Looks like they’re not turning the whole field into a ice rink like that initial picture showed. I was wondering how/why they would do that.[/quote]
    They were never planning on turning the whole field into ice… That picture depicted a snow colored field[/quote]

    That makes sense. Never even thought about the white being snow.

  • Giancarlo | December 30, 2008 at 1:41 pm |

    Re: Broncos pants in ’70s

    …and here’s a ’74 Topps card (’73 action?) showing them in all white:
    http://www.footballc...
    So I’m kind of back to where I started with this question. From ’67 to ’79 the Broncos (away) wore orange pants sometimes, white pants sometimes, maybe both in the same season, maybe not.

  • Belgium Endive | December 30, 2008 at 2:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”307815″]Re: Broncos pants in ’70s

    …and here’s a ’74 Topps card (’73 action?) showing them in all white:
    http://www.footballc...
    So I’m kind of back to where I started with this question. From ’67 to ’79 the Broncos (away) wore orange pants sometimes, white pants sometimes, maybe both in the same season, maybe not.[/quote]

    Per this website

    http://www.weirdwolf...

    The Broncos wore orange pants in the 1968 season, and then again in the 1978 season. I remember the 1978 season version. I remember a commentator making the remark that – as this was coming off the year of the Orange Crush Defense, the Broncos felt they needed more orange in their away uni’s. Whether that was the reason or not, they did not last long.

  • WSCopic | December 30, 2008 at 2:03 pm |

    Regarding the folks that “sneak” into abandoned structures and take pictures.

    That just catches my attention. I doubt that I would ever do that, a lot of risk both legal and physical, but the pictures are impossible to take my eyes off of. Very intriguing.

    Any links to other sites or information about that ceretain group of people? The erie quality of the sports complexes that have been abandoned for so long really gets me interested. This goes back to the photo spread this summer of Tiger Stadium ( or field, whatever it was) where no one had really done much inside for a dozen years or more.

    Anyway, interesting addition to the ticker.

  • GC | December 30, 2008 at 2:10 pm |

    Funny…I had a thought similar to the striped undershirt idea the other day watching Cal-Miami. From a distance one of the Cal players looked like he had an old-style, long-sleeved jersey on; of course it was just a shirt worn under his pads that blended very well with his jersey (had kind of a Bob Waterfield Rams look).

    Abandoned building visits – I did that in HS with the old mental institution in Philly (“Byberry”) a few times. Great fun.

  • Kek | December 30, 2008 at 2:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”307817″]Regarding the folks that “sneak” into abandoned structures and take pictures.

    That just catches my attention. I doubt that I would ever do that, a lot of risk both legal and physical, but the pictures are impossible to take my eyes off of. Very intriguing.

    Any links to other sites or information about that ceretain group of people? The erie quality of the sports complexes that have been abandoned for so long really gets me interested. This goes back to the photo spread this summer of Tiger Stadium ( or field, whatever it was) where no one had really done much inside for a dozen years or more.

    Anyway, interesting addition to the ticker.[/quote]
    A few months back someone linked to a site that did Urban Exploration and there was an abandoned mansion that Mike Tyson lived at in Ohio.

  • Ricko | December 30, 2008 at 2:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”307816″][quote comment=”307815″]Re: Broncos pants in ’70s

    …and here’s a ’74 Topps card (’73 action?) showing them in all white:
    http://www.footballc...
    So I’m kind of back to where I started with this question. From ’67 to ’79 the Broncos (away) wore orange pants sometimes, white pants sometimes, maybe both in the same season, maybe not.[/quote]

    Per this website

    http://www.weirdwolf...

    The Broncos wore orange pants in the 1968 season, and then again in the 1978 season. I remember the 1978 season version. I remember a commentator making the remark that – as this was coming off the year of the Orange Crush Defense, the Broncos felt they needed more orange in their away uni’s. Whether that was the reason or not, they did not last long.[/quote]

    Thanks for the digging. I’m at work so can’t do such things.

    That’s kinda what I was saying, I guess, and didn’t say it very well: They either wore orange pants with white jerseys or they’d didn’t, but was a season-long policy, not something they ping-ponged during a season…at least as far as I ever saw.

    The orange pants originated in ’68 and continued for a few years. After that, there may well have been seasons with them and seasons without them.

    Charley Johnson (#12) is on that one card. I mentioned him earlier because I recalled seeing him in both orange pants and white pants with the white jersey. One thing I know for sure, the orange pants were gone by the time Elway was drafted.

    —Ricko

  • Kenny | December 30, 2008 at 2:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”307793″]naming the college bowls quiz http://www.mentalflo...

    23…missed the stupid ones

  • Paul Lukas | December 30, 2008 at 2:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”307817″]Regarding the folks that “sneak” into abandoned structures and take pictures.

    That just catches my attention. I doubt that I would ever do that, a lot of risk both legal and physical, but the pictures are impossible to take my eyes off of. Very intriguing.

    Any links to other sites or information about that ceretain group of people?[/quote]

    One of the most notable sites is here:
    http://www.darkpassa...

    There’s a bunch more sites listed here:
    http://www.webring.c...

    And there used to be an excellent zine devoted to the topic. Its founder is now deceased (his death had nothing to do with his exploration of abandoned structures), but his widow maintains his web site and has back issues of the zine, here:
    http://www.infiltrat...

    None of these are specifically devoted to sports-related buildings — just abandoned and otherwise off-limits buildings in general.

  • Pedro | December 30, 2008 at 2:25 pm |

    Stumbled upon this on CNNSI.com, not uni related except for the beginning of the third paragraph.

    Idiot..is all I can say.

    http://sportsillustr...

  • Jordan Pope | December 30, 2008 at 2:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”307805″][quote comment=”307750″][quote comment=”307747″][quote comment=”307739″]The facemask removal is common practice for victims of concussion or other head injuries. I recall them doing it as far back as the Michael Irvin injury in Philly:

    http://sportsillustr...

    If you stare at that picture and listen really closely, you can hear the Philly fans cheering his injury…[/quote]
    I now think of Ray Rice’s mom when they remove the facemask:

    http://www.flickr.co...

    That’s no junk helmet either! That’s a Schutt AiRXP!

    When Rice was a senior at New Rochelle HS, he ran all over North Rockland one Friday afternoon.

    Five touchdowns, every extra point…he was amazing![/quote]

    nah powers that’s a Schutt Air Advantage

  • Dan | December 30, 2008 at 3:03 pm |

    I an a discruntled Lions fan and I am selling my NFL loyality on Ebay.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    check it out

  • Bob A | December 30, 2008 at 3:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”307788″][quote]very clean and sharp look. NU has had players do that for years. If only they didnt wear purple.[/quote]

    they kind of have a history with purple

    btw…why don’t they wear northwestern stripes anymore???[/quote]

    Interesting section on Page 3 of that site that discusses how Northwestern came up with the black and purple unis that worn in the mid 90s. Blame Gary Barnett’s son.

    btw.. I love uni history sites. That’s one of the better ones.

  • jere | December 30, 2008 at 3:17 pm |

    I think Canseco only wore 00 in spring training, which is what that pic is from. Baseball Almanac only shows him wearing 33 and 44 in the ’98 regular season.

    News from ’98 on this–from March 8th, NY Daily News: “Jose Canseco is going to shed the “new beginning” uniform No. 00 he chose in spring training with the Blue Jays and replace it with No. 44. He would’ve liked the No. 33 he’s worn his entire major league career, but Ed Sprague won’t give it up. Recalling last year when Roger Clemens gave Carlos Delgado a Rolex watch for his No. 21, Sprague told Canseco: “It’s not for sale not even for a Rolex.”

    Then from the Hartford Courant on August 9th, 1998: “The Blue Jays’ trade of third baseman Ed Sprague to the Athletics allowed DH Jose Canseco to claim uniform No. 33. He had been wearing No. 44.”

  • WSCopic | December 30, 2008 at 3:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”307822″][quote comment=”307817″]Regarding the folks that “sneak” into abandoned structures and take pictures.

    That just catches my attention. I doubt that I would ever do that, a lot of risk both legal and physical, but the pictures are impossible to take my eyes off of. Very intriguing.

    Any links to other sites or information about that ceretain group of people?[/quote]

    One of the most notable sites is here:
    http://www.darkpassa...

    There’s a bunch more sites listed here:
    http://www.webring.c...

    And there used to be an excellent zine devoted to the topic. Its founder is now deceased (his death had nothing to do with his exploration of abandoned structures), but his widow maintains his web site and has back issues of the zine, here:
    http://www.infiltrat...

    None of these are specifically devoted to sports-related buildings — just abandoned and otherwise off-limits buildings in general.[/quote]

    Thanks paul, I will have to check those out later. Some really remarkable photographs. Just something about those big abandoned structures….not sure what it is, but I can’t get enough. The only thing better is derelict ships and ship wrecks. I can look at that stuff for days.

    Thanks again.

  • DenverGregg | December 30, 2008 at 3:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”307820″][quote comment=”307816″][quote comment=”307815″]Re: Broncos pants in ’70s

    …and here’s a ’74 Topps card (’73 action?) showing them in all white:
    http://www.footballc...
    So I’m kind of back to where I started with this question. From ’67 to ’79 the Broncos (away) wore orange pants sometimes, white pants sometimes, maybe both in the same season, maybe not.[/quote]

    Per this website

    http://www.weirdwolf...

    The Broncos wore orange pants in the 1968 season, and then again in the 1978 season. I remember the 1978 season version. I remember a commentator making the remark that – as this was coming off the year of the Orange Crush Defense, the Broncos felt they needed more orange in their away uni’s. Whether that was the reason or not, they did not last long.[/quote]

    Thanks for the digging. I’m at work so can’t do such things.

    That’s kinda what I was saying, I guess, and didn’t say it very well: They either wore orange pants with white jerseys or they’d didn’t, but was a season-long policy, not something they ping-ponged during a season…at least as far as I ever saw.

    The orange pants originated in ’68 and continued for a few years. After that, there may well have been seasons with them and seasons without them.

    Charley Johnson (#12) is on that one card. I mentioned him earlier because I recalled seeing him in both orange pants and white pants with the white jersey. One thing I know for sure, the orange pants were gone by the time Elway was drafted.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    IIRC the orange pants disappeared about 1973 and came back for 1978 and maybe part of 1979. (What were they thinking monkeying with the uni after the first Super Bowl appearance?) The orange pants were gone for good by 1980. Elway was acquired in trade in 1983.

  • Brendan in Eugene | December 30, 2008 at 3:27 pm |

    Here are a couple of similarly purposed sites about Detroit.
    http://www.seedetroi...
    http://www.forgotten...

    What a glorious history and inglorious present. I hope that town can someday reclaim some of its former splendour.

    Go Webfeet.

  • Kenny | December 30, 2008 at 3:47 pm |

    Last sentence of this makes it uni related

    http://sports.yahoo....

  • Ricko | December 30, 2008 at 4:10 pm |

    “Elway was acquired in trade in 1983.”

    Y’know, after I typed “Elway was drafted” I hit “Say It!” and immediately thought , “You numbnuts, that makes it sound like you think he was drafted by the Broncos.”

    Well, technically, I didn’t say by WHOM he was drafted. LOL Colts, of course. My defense is that I was lost in thought, remembering his first appearance in a Bronco uni. Was here at the Metrodome in preseason. I was there, and I was recalling that pigeon-toed walk of his…in all white…wearing white Mizunos (that’s for any other cleat wonks out there; he’d worn adidas at Stanford). I wrote that he looked nervous, short-arming his passes, many times throwing them near his intended receiver’s feet. But you could see he was something special, just the way moved, the way he carried himself. And he course, the velocity on his fastball.

    —Ricko

  • Coach | December 30, 2008 at 4:29 pm |

    ANOTHER (possible) new uniform for the Mets.

    http://www.metsblog....

    Guess you just can’t have too many alternates.

  • Tim | December 30, 2008 at 4:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”307832″]Reprinted from last night’s comments: a Scott Player imposter, complete with low-bar facemask (wrong helmet brand, though)… [/quote]

    He’s got the wrong sleeve striping as well; Browns no longer have the thin brown stripe in between the orange and white……

  • Tim | December 30, 2008 at 4:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”307833″]ANOTHER (possible) new uniform for the Mets.

    http://www.metsblog....

    Guess you just can’t have too many alternates.[/quote]

    That “alternate” jersey was shot down a LONG time ago; it’s merely a fashion jersey. Can’t believe this guy Matthew Cerrone actually ran with it…

  • LI Phil | December 30, 2008 at 4:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”307835″][quote comment=”307833″]ANOTHER (possible) new uniform for the Mets.

    http://www.metsblog....

    Guess you just can’t have too many alternates.[/quote]

    That “alternate” jersey was shot down a LONG time ago; it’s merely a fashion jersey. Can’t believe this guy Matthew Cerrone actually ran with it…[/quote]

    it’s NOT an alternate (although i wish it were in favor of the black)…i first saw those almost 2 months ago in sports authority and we discussed it on here…i recently went back there and the yankees also have one…same color…turns out, ALL the MLB teams now have this ‘fashion’ alt…

    just google “your team” and “fashion charcoal replica jersey”

  • MPowers1634 | December 30, 2008 at 4:38 pm |

    http://data.tumblr.c...

    Is that Punty McOnebar or Warren from “Something about Mary”?

    The helmet is an Adams, which many NFL kickers still use.

    The actual Scott Player wore a Riddell.

  • Brian Erni | December 30, 2008 at 4:43 pm |

    yeah, that’s just BAD reporting on metsblog. absolutely no fact checking could have gone into that. yay, matt cerrone!

    there was also a thread on the creamer boards two months back about this as well.

  • MPowers1634 | December 30, 2008 at 4:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”307824″][quote comment=”307805″][quote comment=”307750″][quote comment=”307747″][quote comment=”307739″]The facemask removal is common practice for victims of concussion or other head injuries. I recall them doing it as far back as the Michael Irvin injury in Philly:

    http://sportsillustr...

    If you stare at that picture and listen really closely, you can hear the Philly fans cheering his injury…[/quote]
    I now think of Ray Rice’s mom when they remove the facemask:

    http://www.flickr.co...

    That’s no junk helmet either! That’s a Schutt AiRXP!

    When Rice was a senior at New Rochelle HS, he ran all over North Rockland one Friday afternoon.

    Five touchdowns, every extra point…he was amazing![/quote]

    nah powers that’s a Schutt Air Advantage[/quote]

    I stand corrected, the Air Advantage now has the vertical vent behind the earhole.

    The XP has the indentation from the earhole to the rear of the helmet!

    Oops.

  • Joe Neumann | December 30, 2008 at 4:48 pm |

    I thought everybody on this board would get a kick out of this quiz on the Rocky Mountain News website. There are also some interactive quizzes between the questions and answers section that are pretty hard.

  • LI Phil | December 30, 2008 at 4:51 pm |

    here, here, here, here, and here…just to name a few

    also…don’t know if anyone read the comments on that slapnuts’ article, but NONE of the posters even mentioned it was just a fashion jersey either

  • Coach | December 30, 2008 at 5:09 pm |

    Too bad, I was excited that the Mets had added more wearable jersey combinations, just another way to impress big brother I guess. By my last calculations, they were somewhere in the 60+ range if you consider a white cool base jersey different than a white jersey and a blue batting helmet different than a blue cool flo. Has Paul ever done anything on which MLB teams lead the majors in worn uniform combinations?

  • Ricko | December 30, 2008 at 5:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”307842″]here, here, here, here, and here…just to name a few

    also…don’t know if anyone read the comments on that slapnuts’ article, but NONE of the posters even mentioned it was just a fashion jersey either[/quote]

    Perfect if you want to people to know you’re both a fan AND a chimney sweep.

  • Teebz | December 30, 2008 at 5:16 pm |

    Apparently there is an area at Wrigley where the sun will play a factor on the ice.

  • Ricko | December 30, 2008 at 5:24 pm |

    As of now, forecast for Thursday in Chicago had changed from cloudy to some sun, but snow. So guess it could go either way.

  • Jordan Pope | December 30, 2008 at 5:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”307840″][quote comment=”307824″][quote comment=”307805″][quote comment=”307750″][quote comment=”307747″][quote comment=”307739″]The facemask removal is common practice for victims of concussion or other head injuries. I recall them doing it as far back as the Michael Irvin injury in Philly:

    http://sportsillustr...

    If you stare at that picture and listen really closely, you can hear the Philly fans cheering his injury…[/quote]
    I now think of Ray Rice’s mom when they remove the facemask:

    http://www.flickr.co...

    That’s no junk helmet either! That’s a Schutt AiRXP!

    When Rice was a senior at New Rochelle HS, he ran all over North Rockland one Friday afternoon.

    Five touchdowns, every extra point…he was amazing![/quote]

    nah powers that’s a Schutt Air Advantage[/quote]

    I stand corrected, the Air Advantage now has the vertical vent behind the earhole.

    The XP has the indentation from the earhole to the rear of the helmet!

    Oops.[/quote]

    its all good they do look a lot alike

  • LI Phil | December 30, 2008 at 5:37 pm |

    new year’s day forecast as of 17:19 (that’s 5:19 EST) today

  • Ricko | December 30, 2008 at 5:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”307848″]new year’s day forecast as of 17:19 (that’s 5:19 EST) today[/quote]

    Aren’t you supposed to be standing in front of that, looking…fetching?

  • mdunner28 | December 30, 2008 at 5:45 pm |

    I noticed the Nevada running back is the only one on his team with a helmet stripe. Is there a reason for this? Some kind of award maybe?

  • LI Phil | December 30, 2008 at 5:49 pm |

    [quote]Aren’t you supposed to be standing in front of that, looking…fetching?[/quote]

    um…not into fetching, no (NTTAWWT)

  • Nate | December 30, 2008 at 5:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”307842″]here, here, here, here, and here…just to name a few[/quote]

    i actually love that for the mariners. Not for the others though.

  • Ricko | December 30, 2008 at 5:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”307851″][quote]Aren’t you supposed to be standing in front of that, looking…fetching?[/quote]

    um…not into fetching, no (NTTAWWT)[/quote]

    Where’s Jillian Barberie when we need her?
    To LOOK fetching, not FOR fetching.

  • timmy b | December 30, 2008 at 6:03 pm |

    Hope to clear the air on the Broncos and orange pants with white jerseys in the 1968-1996 era:

    1968-1971: orange pants
    1972-1977: white pants
    1978-1979: orange pants
    1980-1996: white pants

    The orange pants in 68-71 seemed to be a bit reddish in the hue, while the 78-79 orange pants appeared to be more of a true orange.

    Hope this helps!

    P.S. Mix and match combos of pants and jerseys almost never occurred in this era. So there should be no overlap of orange/white pants in any of these years.

  • DenverGregg | December 30, 2008 at 6:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”307854″]Hope to clear the air on the Broncos and orange pants with white jerseys in the 1968-1996 era:

    1968-1971: orange pants
    1972-1977: white pants
    1978-1979: orange pants
    1980-1996: white pants

    The orange pants in 68-71 seemed to be a bit reddish in the hue, while the 78-79 orange pants appeared to be more of a true orange.

    Hope this helps!

    P.S. Mix and match combos of pants and jerseys almost never occurred in this era. So there should be no overlap of orange/white pants in any of these years.[/quote]
    Thanks Timmy!

    Here’s hoping Shanahan’s successor will keep the team from getting pantsed by opponents in 09 as they were too often the past few years.

  • Giancarlo | December 30, 2008 at 6:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”307854″]Hope to clear the air on the Broncos and orange pants with white jerseys in the 1968-1996 era:

    1968-1971: orange pants
    1972-1977: white pants
    1978-1979: orange pants
    1980-1996: white pants

    The orange pants in 68-71 seemed to be a bit reddish in the hue, while the 78-79 orange pants appeared to be more of a true orange.

    Hope this helps!

    P.S. Mix and match combos of pants and jerseys almost never occurred in this era. So there should be no overlap of orange/white pants in any of these years.[/quote]
    Thanks! (And to DenverGregg too). This clears up one of the last nagging NFL uni questions I had, which was all the more nagging because it was from relatively recent history. Now, this is opening another can of worms, but the Broncos’ jerseys also seemed to fluctuate from reddish to true orange over the years.. maybe we can cover that point another day.

  • =bg= | December 30, 2008 at 6:38 pm |

    Can’t believe Shanny got whacked. Who’s next- Angry Homeless Man?

  • JTH | December 30, 2008 at 6:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”307845″]Apparently there is an area at Wrigley where the sun will play a factor on the ice.[/quote]
    Tinted visors? I really hope some of the players wear these instead.

  • JTH | December 30, 2008 at 6:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”307852″][quote comment=”307842″]here, here, here, here, and here…just to name a few[/quote]

    i actually love that for the mariners. Not for the others though.[/quote]
    Yeah, the Cubs one is particularly atrocious.

  • Ben | December 30, 2008 at 7:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”307838″]http://data.tumblr.com/3U5wfj1yYi2uyp3up2IrVdHno1_500.jpg

    Is that Punty McOnebar or Warren from “Something about Mary”?

    The helmet is an Adams, which many NFL kickers still use.

    The actual Scott Player wore a Riddell.[/quote]

    That jersey’s nameplate is sewn on. A former Jeff Garcia jersey?

  • mdunner28 | December 30, 2008 at 8:19 pm |

    This Oklahoma State vs. Oregon game isn’t nearly as bright as was originally predicted.

  • MPowers1634 | December 30, 2008 at 9:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”307862″]This Oklahoma State vs. Oregon game isn’t nearly as bright as was originally predicted.[/quote]

    As a fan of Oregon, I am surprised to actually be disappointed by their lack of creativity this evening…defensively and sartorially!

  • Jeff G | December 30, 2008 at 9:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”307753″]Every fall we practice removing facemasks and how to properly remove pads from injured football players (high school level). There is a whole training program we have to go through in order to provide an ambulance at one of the games, you simply cannot just roll out and treat patients like any other head injury. There is really no reason to remove the helmet on the field, or anywhere else until it is determined there is no spinal injury.[/quote]

    In regards to the facemask removal situation that happened in pitt, I am an athletic trainer at a high school and every year we also go through the same training program, the reason the facemask is removed is so that we may have access to the airway if the athlete become unconscious or if they already have. The reason to not remove the whole helmet is that football shoulder pads raise the level of the body up an inch or so, equal to the helmet. If there is a suspected spinal injury letting the head go into extension or back would not be good and could cause further damage. If you had to remove the helmet you also must remove the shoulder pads. We also have special tools to cut off the clips that hold the facemask on to complete the task as quickly and with the least amount of movement possible. Luckily I have not yet had to do this in my practice and I hope I never will.

  • jon | December 30, 2008 at 10:19 pm |

    always love to see my school get some mention, even in the comments. i agree that pitt should incorporate the script as an alternate uniform, in my opinion for both football and basketball. all the neil diamond songs in the world (inside joke for people who’ve attended pitt fooball games this year) could not match the roar the crowd would give to the team comin out in script.
    all that said, i think it should remain an alternate if they are to use it. it took me three years but ive fallen for the block pitt logo, and i think it is a very classy design. also, i think our football uniforms the past two years have been phenomenal. i like the monochrome blue at home and i like the white over blue on the road. even our gold alternate looks great. and all three of those feature the block pitt logo at the chest (which, btw, i didnt think i would like until i saw them in action).
    i really really want to see pitt incorporate a script alternate uniform, but i would want it to remain just that, an alternate. and like kek, i really wouldnt care if it were royal and mustard or navy and vegas gold. either one could look great.

  • mtjaws | December 30, 2008 at 11:30 pm |

    That Oregon “29 TD” tribute sticker/logo was quite nice and creative.

    I really enjoyed that Buffalo Aud story and pics. I’m gonna check out those other links about infiltrating.

  • Ricko | December 30, 2008 at 11:34 pm |

    Playing around with “lyrca sleeves under shoulder pad vest”…a Bengals “harkback” (along the lines of those those Indians alternate homes).

    Pants like originals, new conservative helmet, Princeton stripes on sleeves of “under” shirt. White would be same undersleeves with white vest, black numbers edged in orange.

    (Hey, I was bored here tonight…LOL. Wolves blew a 29-point lead, too).

    http://farm4.static....

    —Ricko

  • Johnny O | December 30, 2008 at 11:35 pm |

    Attention Teebz:

    I think you will be interested in this:
    http://www.uwbadgers...

    Is that what you are looking for?

  • DenverGregg | December 31, 2008 at 7:33 am |

    [quote comment=”307867″]Playing around with “lyrca sleeves under shoulder pad vest”…a Bengals “harkback” (along the lines of those those Indians alternate homes).

    Pants like originals, new conservative helmet, Princeton stripes on sleeves of “under” shirt. White would be same undersleeves with white vest, black numbers edged in orange.

    (Hey, I was bored here tonight…LOL. Wolves blew a 29-point lead, too).

    http://farm4.static....

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Very nice. Take out the drop shadow (probably too difficult to do for the picture from a graphics standpoint) and it would be among the best NFL uniforms in many a year.

  • Mike | December 31, 2008 at 9:21 am |

    I have heard from a “credible[quote comment=”307843”]Too bad, I was excited that the Mets had added more wearable jersey combinations, just another way to impress big brother I guess. By my last calculations, they were somewhere in the 60+ range if you consider a white cool base jersey different than a white jersey and a blue batting helmet different than a blue cool flo. Has Paul ever done anything on which MLB teams lead the majors in worn uniform combinations?[/quote]
    I heard from two credible sources that the Mets black road jersey is going into mothballs. Personally, if they HAD to keep a black jersey, I’d rather it the home one go, as I love the old-fashioned “New York” look on any jersey.

    I know the blue hats and pinstripes have made more appearances the last several years, but I don’t get why that idiot Charlie Samuels needs to basically keep them in hiding.

    Pinstripes for every home game
    Snow-whites for Sundays/holidays
    Road grays

    BLUE CAPS ALL AROUND