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Five Who Went Down

1910 Brooklyn (NL) Dahlan

By Phil Hecken

In the early 1900s, 1909 through 1914 to be precise, five major league teams — three National League, one American League, and one Federal League — dabbled with vertical displays of text on their buttoned placket.

In 1909, “CHICAGO” was displayed on the placket of the Cubs’ road jersey. In 1910 and 1911, the Chicago White Sox featured the abbreviated team nickname “SOX” on their home jersey placket. The word “BROOKLYN” was found on the placket of the club’s 1910, 1911 and 1913 road jerseys. In 1912, Pittsburgh’s home and road uniforms featured “PIRATES” on the placket of jersey. The 1914 Indianapolis Hoosiers of the Federal League donned jerseys with the word “FEDERALS” on the placket.

Not much photographic evidence of these unique jersey styles exists (in fact, a fairly thorough search yielded NO such photos of the Hoosiers), but the few pictures above, coupled with Marc Okkonen’s extensive research, reveal that for a very short period of time, a few teams used the vertical lettering. Why didn’t the style catch on? Who knows. Personally, I find it quite endearing, although that is certainly due in part to the rarity and brevity of the experiment. Obviously, this owes much to the fact that the baseball uniform was evolving rapidly at the time, and the collar styles capable of supporting the up and down style would soon morph into a more modern style. Could such a vertical nameplate ever make a come back? Would we even want to see such a beast? Perhaps it’s better to be left to that little five year period of baseball when it was still just a game.

Say it ain’t so, Joe. Say it ain’t so.

Thoughts on the GGEP: I particularly liked the Greatest Game Ever Played presentation last evening, and was so pleased to have Ricko’s input into yesterday’s article. I thought the colorization was good, although photos from this era indicate the Giants unis should have been more royal and less navy. Also, did it appear to anyone else that the stands and crowd shots (during game action) appeared to be left black and white? It seemed they only colorized the actual field of play. I’d like to hear your thoughts on this game. Should be out on DVD by Christmas, no?

Notes and asides: • Nailed my Heisman prediction…congrats to Sam Bradford •• HUGE NFL games today: Dirty Birds hosting Tampa (1pm)…Buffalo visits the Jets (1pm)…Denver at Carolina (4:15)…Baltimore welcomes Pittsburgh (4:15)…and the G-Men look to end the Cowboys season down in the Big D (SNF) ••• Sunday Benchies

 

83 comments to Five Who Went Down

  • paulio | December 14, 2008 at 7:27 am |

    One huge problem with the vertical lettering in today’s game would be the abundance of players that leave 1 to 3 buttons undone on their jerseys.

    David Wells, C.C. Sabathia, most of the Red Sox, Pedro Martinez and his porthole…

  • Kyle S | December 14, 2008 at 8:49 am |

    Color on Color Alert: Xavier at Cincinnati in the Skyline Chili Crosstown Shootout: http://cmsimg.cincin...

  • JTH | December 14, 2008 at 8:54 am |

    From the Day Late and a Dollar Short department:
    Yesterday’s Chicago Tribune had a write-up on two books dedicated to the ’58 NFL Championship.
    [quote]…with apologies to George Halas and his cronies who are credited with inventing the NFL in the Canton Hupmobile showroom in 1920, Colts-Giants in December 1958 was truly pro football’s Bethlehem.[/quote]

    Sorry if this was mentioned in the comments yesterday.

  • Stuby | December 14, 2008 at 9:14 am |

    I can’t find the right entry, but wasn’t there an awesome submission for the Washington Nationals uniform “contest” that had the same placket feature?

    I’d love to see a team try this, even if it were on an alt. jersey.

  • JTH | December 14, 2008 at 9:19 am |

    I seem to recall an LL Cool J video from around 1990 or so where he wears a Cubs jersey like this. Anyone else remember this?
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Oh, and this guy was sitting near me at the Bears-Saints game. Is that a game-used George Halas jersey? Can’t say for sure, but pretty sure it is.

    And what the hell’s with this? Hard to tell from my crappy photo, but the fabric’s got a pattern that makes it look like a Gucci bag or something.

  • MPowers1634 | December 14, 2008 at 9:38 am |

    [quote comment=”305515″]I seem to recall an LL Cool J video from around 1990 or so where he wears a Cubs jersey like this. Anyone else remember this?
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Oh, and this guy was sitting near me at the Bears-Saints game. Is that a game-used George Halas jersey? Can’t say for sure, but pretty sure it is.

    And what the hell’s with this? Hard to tell from my crappy photo, but the fabric’s got a pattern that makes it look like a Gucci bag or something.[/quote]

    A personal anecdote involving Ladies Love Cool James.

    When I was a freshman in HS, I worked a t a neighborhood deli Saturday afternoons until about 8 and all day Sundays.

    One of our regular customers form “around the way” was the legendary Hip Hop music producer Marley Marl.

    He would regularly bring in his mucsician friends for a bite to eat.

    One Saturday during football season, he comes in with LL. Because I knew MM pretty well, It wasn’t a big deal but LL. At that time, he had blown up, with “Mama said Knock you out”.

    Well MM introduces me to LL and asks me if I had a game that morning. Coincidentally we had won and I had played an especially good game, a few TD’s, a pick whatever.

    The next week, they both come in again. This time LL comes in, remembers my name and starts BS’ing with me asking me whether I had a game this week and whatnot.

    Silly, but pretty cool.

  • Alan #44 | December 14, 2008 at 9:54 am |

    Any idea why the Rangers were wearing their white sweaters at home last night?

  • Matt B | December 14, 2008 at 9:59 am |

    I caught some of the “GGEP” on an HD set in a bar — looks like it was aired in 16:9 format. I’ll bet dollars to donuts that it was actually shot using 4:3 cameras back in 1958. The implication is that they cropped the image to fit on the HD broadcast. Can anyone verify this?

    Pan & scan should be a crime.

  • Shaftman | December 14, 2008 at 10:08 am |

    Damn, I completely forgot that the GGEP was on last night…good thing I set up the DVR and I can watch it tonight.

    In regards to the vertical displays of text on their buttoned placket…I’d like to see a team tackle it as part of an alternate jersey, but I don’t know if it would work within the context of the modern game.

  • JTH | December 14, 2008 at 10:17 am |

    [quote comment=”305518″]I caught some of the “GGEP” on an HD set in a bar — looks like it was aired in 16:9 format. I’ll bet dollars to donuts that it was actually shot using 4:3 cameras back in 1958. The implication is that they cropped the image to fit on the HD broadcast. Can anyone verify this?

    Pan & scan should be a crime.[/quote]
    I’m kinda pissed that I missed the game. I didn’t bother setting it up to record because I assumed they’d replay it around midnight or something — not the case.

    It’ll be rebroadcast on ESPN2, though.

    Also, my sister-in-law bought the Indiana Jones trilogy (and plenty of other movies) in P&S format and they have a 16 x 9 TV, so it just looks all stretched out when you watch it. If P&S should be a crime, then this should be a felony.

  • JTH | December 14, 2008 at 10:31 am |

    [quote comment=”305516″]
    The next week, they both come in again.[/quote]
    When they walked in, did he yell out “Don’t call it a comeback”?

  • timmy b | December 14, 2008 at 10:36 am |

    Don’t follow the NBA much at all, but weren’t the last pro teams to do a straight vertical lettering format the Cincy Royals (NBA circa 1967-1971) and the Portland Trail Blazers (NBA 1976-1978 or so)???

  • timmy b | December 14, 2008 at 10:39 am |

    [quote comment=”305507″][quote comment=”305474″]Speaking of inexact sciences, I just noticed that on that Giants uni history it says the helmet numbers and the striped road pants go back as far as 1954, which isn’t right. In the Sneaker Game photos we can see the road pants have no striping and there are no numbers on the helmets (plus I still can’t tell if those pants are gray or white; based on photos from other games, I have a hunch they wore plain white pants with the white jerseys for awhile there). Whatever, by ’58 and the GGEP, the helmet numbers have been added. I can’t say for sure, though, whether the gray striped road pants and the helmet numbers came in ’57 or ’58.

    Timmy B, your dice.[/quote]

    Ricko,

    A bit late, so I’ll add this to 12/14 if need be.
    The ’56 Giants pants were a light shade of gray (worn with both white and blue jerseys) and the stripes didn’t come until 1957. As for the helmet numbers, the Giants apllied them only on the back of the helmet in 1957 and then slapped them on the front as well starting in 1958.

    One curious thing with the Giants from this end. In 1961, when the “ny” was added to the helmets, from some game action shots, it looks like only about 3/4’s of the players had the logo while other Giant helmets were logoless.

    HTH, guys.[/quote]

    From late last night….

  • George McClure | December 14, 2008 at 10:40 am |

    Regarding the GGEP: I believe they got the striping on the Giants’ pants wrong. They had it blue-red-blue when it should have been red-blue-red.

    As for the color of the Giants’ jerseys, I think their inability to make the Giants’ jerseys appear more royal has to do with the limits of colorization. You just can’t lighten up a color that appears relatively dark in black & white (one of the many reasons colorization is an abomination and ought to be abandoned forevermore).

  • Ricko | December 14, 2008 at 10:59 am |

    [quote comment=”305524″]Regarding the GGEP: I believe they got the striping on the Giants’ pants wrong. They had it blue-red-blue when it should have been red-blue-red.

    As for the color of the Giants’ jerseys, I think their inability to make the Giants’ jerseys appear more royal has to do with the limits of colorization. You just can’t lighten up a color that appears relatively dark in black & white (one of the many reasons colorization is an abomination and ought to be abandoned forevermore).[/quote]

    Yeah, color can be added, but pretty hard to take out black that’s already there. It’s gonna darken whatever blue they add. I also know that even on a lot of my old color photos, for example, teams wearing royal look pretty navy if not a bright sunny day.

    And considering GGEP was black and white film, and was a gloomy day that turned to night, jerseys were gonna darken up considerably (the photo I sent Phil—see “Thoughts of GGEP” above—was picked cuz was one of the few color shots where jerseys truly looks royal. And, as you can see, the pants stripes WERE red around royal)

    What has always amazed me is that, as significant as that game was almost immediately determined to be, that the original broadcast was lost. You’d think someone—at the network or the NFL—would have said, “Man, save that kinescope.”

    Strange.

    As to the show, I thought it was excellent. Did a nice job of setting the game into its time frame. It’s important to remember that the “GGEP” label doesn’t mean the football played was the greatest ever, saying that would be lunacy. The game earned the moniker because it was like a tuning fork struck against the American sports-watching psyche. It called things to attention and its resonation is still being felt today. And that’s the point of it.

    So to say, “I dunno, was kind of a sloppy game” and pooh-pooh it, is a puffing-up-chest phony expertise that’s spouting the obvious…while at the same time missing the obvious.

    —Ricko

  • LarenR | December 14, 2008 at 11:03 am |

    [quote comment=”305514″]I can’t find the right entry, but wasn’t there an awesome submission for the Washington Nationals uniform “contest” that had the same placket feature?

    I’d love to see a team try this, even if it were on an alt. jersey.[/quote]
    No vertical writing, but here is the Page2 contest (with a small follow-up item at the bottom of this entry…Go Nads!).

  • Mark K | December 14, 2008 at 11:27 am |

    Can we make Ricko’s sunday comics a little larger? I have trouble reading following typical Saturday night activities.

  • LI Phil | December 14, 2008 at 11:30 am |

    [quote comment=”305527″]Can we make Ricko’s sunday comics a little larger? I have trouble reading following typical Saturday night activities.[/quote]

    try this

    btw…do you guys like (or hate, LOL) “benchies”?

    granted…it’s only one strip so far (rick’s sent me a bunch, and they’re good)…

    give us yer $.02

  • LarenR | December 14, 2008 at 11:38 am |

    [quote comment=”305528″][quote comment=”305527″]Can we make Ricko’s sunday comics a little larger? I have trouble reading following typical Saturday night activities.[/quote]

    try this

    btw…do you guys like (or hate, LOL) “benchies”?

    granted…it’s only one strip so far (rick’s sent me a bunch, and they’re good)…

    give us yer $.02[/quote]
    Too soon to say. I love all things Ricko, but my first impression is: meh. I want to see more, though, to get to know the characters, get a feel for the strip, etc. I suspect that it’ll grow on me.

  • Giancarlo | December 14, 2008 at 11:50 am |

    Awesome work-in-progress database of old NFL/AAFC uniforms by the Professional Football Researchers Association here:

    http://www.profootba...

  • DenverGregg | December 14, 2008 at 11:56 am |

    Vertical lettering (for baseball at least) would be great for words of no more than six letters. Other than the new wordmarks on football jerseys, it’s customary to use two-inch or larger letters — you’d run out of space with that letter size on a typical middle infielder. I don’t think varying letter size by player height would look right either. The little letters that would be needed for, say, Philadelphia, Cincinnati or Los Angeles, would look quite odd. Maybe the Miami Marlins or Texas Rangers could give this a try in a couple years.

  • LI Phil | December 14, 2008 at 11:59 am |

    [quote comment=”305530″]Awesome work-in-progress database of old NFL/AAFC uniforms by the Professional Football Researchers Association here:

    http://www.profootba...

    book(mark) ’em dano

  • Bob Andrews | December 14, 2008 at 12:00 pm |

    GGEP was a lot of fun to watch. Nice concept to mix the old and new Colts and Giants. They looked like they were enjoying themselves although at times it was a distraction and I found myself wanting them to get back to the game action.

    I noticed that the shot they used several times of the Giants coming on to the field featured players in warm-up jackets that had two different interlocking “NY” logos. One the Yankee style and one the baseball NY Giants/Mets style.

  • Hollywood | December 14, 2008 at 12:06 pm |

    Regarding the GGEP: I am not a Colts fan, and really not a Giants fan (especially because what they did to my Pack last year) but I tremendously enjoyed watching the presentation last night on ESPN. I would really like to know how those people re-made that game into color. How in the world do they do that? It just boggles my mind that technology is that good.

    I also noticed on some of the cold weather jackets the Giants were wearing, some players were wearing jackets with the now Mets “NY”, and some players wearing the Yankees block “NY”. Anyone know why?
    Photo evidence here:
    http://i147.photobuc...

  • LI Phil | December 14, 2008 at 12:19 pm |

    [quote]I also noticed on some of the cold weather jackets the Giants were wearing, some players were wearing jackets with the now Mets “NY”, and some players wearing the Yankees block “NY”. Anyone know why?[/quote]

    excellent spot, hollywood

    i think paul has actually touched on this before, and certainly there are many on this board who know far more than i do, but couple things…

    the “mets” NY is actually the new york baseball giants “NY” (although they had just moved to SF that season) and the other interlocking NY is obviously that of the yankees

    my hypothesis is that, back in 1958, professional football was still nowhere near bigtime (although the GGEP obviously changed that)…that being said, the football giants probably never had “custom” jackets made with their own logo (which still wasn’t even on their helmets back then…did it even exist as a wordmark/logo?)…so they simply used the jackets of their baseball namesakes (and since they played in yankee stadium at this time — they probably ‘borrowed’ some of the yankees jackets as well)

    im probably wrong, but that would explain why the jackets displayed both (baseball) giants and yankee logos, rather than an uniquely NYFG logo

  • Mike Engle | December 14, 2008 at 12:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”305528″][quote comment=”305527″]Can we make Ricko’s sunday comics a little larger? I have trouble reading following typical Saturday night activities.[/quote]

    try this

    btw…do you guys like (or hate, LOL) “benchies”?

    granted…it’s only one strip so far (rick’s sent me a bunch, and they’re good)…

    give us yer $.02[/quote]
    Nice debut. Genius call to have different color thought bubbles for the two different people. Slight concern: the two divorced friends are Mick and Mike, and I can guarantee I’ll mix them up.

  • MPowers1634 | December 14, 2008 at 12:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”305521″][quote comment=”305516″]
    The next week, they both come in again.[/quote]
    When they walked in, did he yell out “Don’t call it a comeback”?[/quote]

    No, but when he ordered, he said, “I’m the type of guy”, who wants hot pastrami on rye…JK

  • Ricko | December 14, 2008 at 12:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”305536″][quote comment=”305528″][quote comment=”305527″]Can we make Ricko’s sunday comics a little larger? I have trouble reading following typical Saturday night activities.[/quote]

    try this

    btw…do you guys like (or hate, LOL) “benchies”?

    granted…it’s only one strip so far (rick’s sent me a bunch, and they’re good)…

    give us yer $.02[/quote]
    Nice debut. Genius call to have different color thought bubbles for the two different people. Slight concern: the two divorced friends are Mick and Mike, and I can guarantee I’ll mix them up.[/quote]

    Mick’s a stick. LOL

  • JTH | December 14, 2008 at 12:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”305538″][quote comment=”305536″][quote comment=”305528″][quote comment=”305527″]Can we make Ricko’s sunday comics a little larger? I have trouble reading following typical Saturday night activities.[/quote]

    try this

    btw…do you guys like (or hate, LOL) “benchies”?

    granted…it’s only one strip so far (rick’s sent me a bunch, and they’re good)…

    give us yer $.02[/quote]
    Nice debut. Genius call to have different color thought bubbles for the two different people. Slight concern: the two divorced friends are Mick and Mike, and I can guarantee I’ll mix them up.[/quote]

    Mick’s a stick. LOL[/quote]
    It’s unfair to review something based on such a small sample size, but today’s entry is better than 99% of the stuff I’ve seen in the nationally-syndicated In The Bleachers.

  • JTH | December 14, 2008 at 12:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”305535″][quote]I also noticed on some of the cold weather jackets the Giants were wearing, some players were wearing jackets with the now Mets “NY”, and some players wearing the Yankees block “NY”. Anyone know why?[/quote]

    excellent spot, hollywood

    i think paul has actually touched on this before, and certainly there are many on this board who know far more than i do, but couple things…

    the “mets” NY is actually the new york baseball giants “NY” (although they had just moved to SF that season) and the other interlocking NY is obviously that of the yankees

    my hypothesis is that, back in 1958, professional football was still nowhere near bigtime (although the GGEP obviously changed that)…that being said, the football giants probably never had “custom” jackets made with their own logo (which still wasn’t even on their helmets back then…did it even exist as a wordmark/logo?)…so they simply used the jackets of their baseball namesakes (and since they played in yankee stadium at this time — they probably ‘borrowed’ some of the yankees jackets as well)

    im probably wrong, but that would explain why the jackets displayed both (baseball) giants and yankee logos, rather than an uniquely NYFG logo[/quote]
    That was pretty much my thought when I looked at that pic. Figured they were probably hand-me-downs from both baseball teams, actually. The Giants-style NY jacket could easily be black and the Yankees-style one could be navy. It’s impossible to tell given that it’s colorized black & white footage.

  • Kevin M. | December 14, 2008 at 1:03 pm |

    Falcons going in the monochrome black today against the Bucs.

  • JTH | December 14, 2008 at 1:08 pm |

    Would this be the closest thing to vertical text on a jersey in current use?

    And that brings up another question. Throughout their history, the White Sox have almost always just had “Sox” on their home jerseys. Have the Red Sox ever had a jersey that just said “Sox”?

  • Shaftman | December 14, 2008 at 1:15 pm |

    Jets going all green in NJ today….looks like dung. Forget the fact that I REALLY dislike colorized monochromatic; the greens on the pants and jersey aren’t even the same green. Ugh. I hate to say it, the Bills might actually look better than their opponent today and they aren’t in their throwbacks.

  • Ricko | December 14, 2008 at 1:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”305543″]Jets going all green in NJ today….looks like dung. Forget the fact that I REALLY dislike colorized monochromatic; the greens on the pants and jersey aren’t even the same green. Ugh. I hate to say it, the Bills might actually look better than their opponent today and they aren’t in their throwbacks.[/quote]

    Yeah, looks like the 9-man championship game between East Dumptruck and Piddleton.

  • Shaftman | December 14, 2008 at 2:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”305544″][quote comment=”305543″]Jets going all green in NJ today….looks like dung. Forget the fact that I REALLY dislike colorized monochromatic; the greens on the pants and jersey aren’t even the same green. Ugh. I hate to say it, the Bills might actually look better than their opponent today and they aren’t in their throwbacks.[/quote]

    Yeah, looks like the 9-man championship game between East Dumptruck and Piddleton.[/quote]

    Ricko, with you I can’t even tell if that was a joke or if there was a random game in 1932 and you made drawings of. :)

  • tom farley | December 14, 2008 at 2:33 pm |

    Is that a game-used George Halas jersey?
    Umm, no. The Bears didn’t go to NOB until 1970, when Papa Bear was 75 years old. :-)

    Today’s “Benchies” didn’t blow me away. But I liked the character thumbnails from yesterday, and Ricko’s funny, so I’ll keep clicking on it.

    Great story, MPowers! Nice to hear of a famous guy actually paying attention to details regarding Little People like us.

  • tom farley | December 14, 2008 at 2:39 pm |

    I hate to say it, the Bills might actually look better than their opponent today and they aren’t in their throwbacks.
    I think you’re right, shaftman. And I hate the Bills non-throwback unis. Home and away, they look like a product of committee thinking.

    But those green Jets pants just have to go.

    I remember thinking, in the early ’80s, that there was too much white, home and away, in the AFC East. Methinks the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction.

  • JTH | December 14, 2008 at 2:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”305546″]Is that a game-used George Halas jersey?
    Umm, no. The Bears didn’t go to NOB until 1970, when Papa Bear was 75 years old. :-)
    [/quote]
    Yeah, but he wasn’t just a player. He was coach and owner! And I’m no expert, but the polyester looked to be ’20s vintage. It was the old NFL Equipment patch fer shure. Unfortunately, I didn’t get a good look at the Reebok logo.

  • Marcus from B-More | December 14, 2008 at 3:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”305547″]I hate to say it, the Bills might actually look better than their opponent today and they aren’t in their throwbacks.
    I think you’re right, shaftman. And I hate the Bills non-throwback unis. Home and away, they look like a product of committee thinking.

    But those green Jets pants just have to go.

    I remember thinking, in the early ’80s, that there was too much white, home and away, in the AFC East. Methinks the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction.[/quote]

    the bills BARELY look better – i think if they were to decide on ONE blue it would be a much better uni

  • Terry Mark | December 14, 2008 at 3:07 pm |

    It’s from the minor league ranks, but the 2007 Elkhart Express of the International Basketball League used a vertical wordmark on their jerseys.

  • tom farley | December 14, 2008 at 3:08 pm |

    i think if they were to decide on ONE blue it would be a much better uni
    That would certainly help, Marcus. But I also don’t like color shoulders over a otherwise white jersey. Or dark pants with a dark jersey. And I’ve never liked the striping on the red Bills helmet.

    So I may have too many issues with the Bills’ unis to ever be satisfied. ;-)

    Their throwbacks are just so beautiful in their comparative simplicity. Spoils me for anything else.

  • scott | December 14, 2008 at 3:49 pm |

    The Boston Globe comments on Army’s football uniforms from this year’s Army-Navy game:

    http://www.boston.co...

  • Marcus from B-More | December 14, 2008 at 3:51 pm |
  • Jamie | December 14, 2008 at 3:52 pm |

    Good God. Is there anyone who looks worse in a football uniform than Bucs kicker Matt Bryant?

  • Peter | December 14, 2008 at 4:10 pm |

    THANK YOU ELLIS!!! OMG!!! I had like 10 heart attacks!! “It ain’t over, till its over…”

  • LI Phil | December 14, 2008 at 4:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”305555″]THANK YOU ELLIS!!! OMG!!! I had like 10 heart attacks!! “It ain’t over, till its over…”[/quote]

    just got back from watching this one with my pop…my gawd did you guys steal one from the buffaslugs

    /and that was the WORST nfl uni matchup this weekend, bar none

  • Peter | December 14, 2008 at 4:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”305556″][quote comment=”305555″]THANK YOU ELLIS!!! OMG!!! I had like 10 heart attacks!! “It ain’t over, till its over…”[/quote]

    just got back from watching this one with my pop…my gawd did you guys steal one from the buffaslugs

    /and that was the WORST nfl uni matchup this weekend, bar none[/quote]

    I typically don’t like my Jets with the Green on Green combo…but it was part of FAN APPRECIATION day (they wanted a GREEN OUT)…you call it a steal…I call it a win….

    NFL Games are 60 minutes and the Jets D finally started to play when they needed to finish it…

    it was an exciting game, but a HUGE win…

    JETS! JETS! JETS!

  • jmart | December 14, 2008 at 5:01 pm |

    I like it when the jets do the white jerseys with green pants every now and then but they need to keep their classic look wit green tops and white pants but besides that J!E!T!S!

  • Mike Miller | December 14, 2008 at 5:57 pm |

    Someone who saw the Bengals/Redskins game…Mike Sellers was wearing a helmet I had never seen before. It looked like it had iPod attachments or cameras on the outside of both sides of his helmet between the earhole and where the facemask attached.

    Helmets aren’t my uni thing, but this just looked weird. I can’t find any pictures yet.

  • Ricko | December 14, 2008 at 6:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”305554″]Good God. Is there anyone who looks worse in a football uniform than Bucs kicker Matt Bryant?[/quote]

    Yes. Chris Hovan, for one. Otherwise, most offensive lineman and defensive tackles.

    300 pounds of sausage in a 200-lb. casing.

    What’s with armpits being cool? If it comes under “Chicks Dig It”, then evidently Larry the Cable Guy is a sex symbol thesedays…and we have yet another sign the apocalypse is upon us.

  • JTH | December 14, 2008 at 6:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”305560″][quote comment=”305554″]Good God. Is there anyone who looks worse in a football uniform than Bucs kicker Matt Bryant?[/quote]

    Yes. Chris Hovan, for one. Otherwise, most offensive lineman and defensive tackles.

    300 pounds of sausage in a 200-lb. casing.

    What’s with armpits being cool? If it comes under “Chicks Dig It”, then evidently Larry the Cable Guy is a sex symbol thesedays…and we have yet another sign the apocalypse is upon us.[/quote]
    Thankfullly Olin Kreutz has the decency to wear some kind of compression shirt under his jersey. Lately, his sleeves are so short that the TV numbers are on his shoulders.

  • toomy | December 14, 2008 at 6:28 pm |

    http://scores.espn.g...

    first time posting, not sure how to do links but heres a picture of mike sellers from todays game

  • asufanwithbagoverhead | December 14, 2008 at 6:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”305562″]http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/photos?photoId=2105506&gameId=281214004

    first time posting, not sure how to do links but heres a picture of mike sellers from todays game[/quote]
    That’s the schutt ion. here’s the website: http://www.schuttspo...
    there was a lead post about last football season, I think.

  • Coach | December 14, 2008 at 7:27 pm |

    I know that brett favre’s shoulder pads have been a topic of lengthy discussion, but did anyone see/get a screen grab of willis mcgahee’s? He had green and orange shoulder pads. I sincerely doubt that he is wearing the same ones from his days at Miami.

    Is this a loophole in the No Fun League’s personal expression rule book?

  • Jordan Pope | December 14, 2008 at 7:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”305564″]I know that brett favre’s shoulder pads have been a topic of lengthy discussion, but did anyone see/get a screen grab of willis mcgahee’s? He had green and orange shoulder pads. I sincerely doubt that he is wearing the same ones from his days at Miami.

    Is this a loophole in the No Fun League’s personal expression rule book?[/quote]

    i just noticed that too but idc steelers won!

  • J. Exby | December 14, 2008 at 7:43 pm |

    Well, I’m usually a lurker – but when my personal Mitchell and Ness 1911 White Sox jersey photo from picassa appears on the front page of uniwatch, I gotta say it feels like I’ve been anointed as “uni worthy” :-)

    Thanks Phil!

    answer to previous question: No, I can’t recall ever just seeing “Sox” on any Boston jersey.

  • jon | December 14, 2008 at 8:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”305565″][quote comment=”305564″]I know that brett favre’s shoulder pads have been a topic of lengthy discussion, but did anyone see/get a screen grab of willis mcgahee’s? He had green and orange shoulder pads. I sincerely doubt that he is wearing the same ones from his days at Miami.

    Is this a loophole in the No Fun League’s personal expression rule book?[/quote]

    and that is definitely the most important part of that game! two more w’s and the stillers get the 1 seed.

    i just noticed that too but idc steelers won![/quote]

  • LI Phil | December 14, 2008 at 8:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”305566″]Well, I’m usually a lurker – but when my personal Mitchell and Ness 1911 White Sox jersey photo from picassa appears on the front page of uniwatch, I gotta say it feels like I’ve been anointed as “uni worthy”

    :-)

    Thanks Phil!

    answer to previous question: No, I can’t recall ever just seeing “Sox” on any Boston jersey.[/quote]

    you don’t know hard it was to find any pics of those jerseys…repro’s or not…thank you for posting it on the web…

    /side note: i prepared this column about a month ago, so i hope no one was disappointed…just had too much fun watching the GGEP last night to prepare a new one for today

  • Brandon | December 14, 2008 at 9:03 pm |

    I was just looking through the ‘Photos of the Day’ on NFL.com and notice Yeremiah Bell of Miami wearing white shoes with blue accents. Seems like the rest of his teammates are wearing white and black or white and orange, any ideas?

    http://www.nfl.com/p...

  • Patrick in MI | December 14, 2008 at 9:03 pm |

    Dad and I were discussing hockey this afternoon and he was telling me about some players wearing a battery-operated contraption in their skates that heats up the blade. Has anyone ever heard of this?

  • Brandon | December 14, 2008 at 9:04 pm |

    Sorry, 7th photo in the gallery.

  • LI Phil | December 14, 2008 at 9:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”305570″]Dad and I were discussing hockey this afternoon and he was telling me about some players wearing a battery-operated contraption in their skates that heats up the blade. Has anyone ever heard of this?[/quote]

    here

    i think this was discussed on here a while back…don’t know if any players actually use this technology at current…will page teebz

  • Fat Frank | December 14, 2008 at 9:33 pm |

    Can anyone throw me a bone the name of the L.A Ram lineman that wore that modifed full cage & Dungard mask back in the 70’s?

  • Ricko | December 14, 2008 at 9:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”305573″]Can anyone throw me a bone the name of the L.A Ram lineman that wore that modifed full cage & Dungard mask back in the 70’s?[/quote]

    Honestly, I know zip about facemasks by brand name. I do know Bob Brown wore an odd one.
    http://www.profootba...

    Probably wrong, but, hey, I took a shot.

    —Ricko

  • Jason | December 14, 2008 at 10:05 pm |

    42 on the giants, mcquarters maybe, appears to be wearing one yellow bandage under his eye. They zoomed in during 2nd Quarter on snf. no screenshot though

  • LI Phil | December 14, 2008 at 10:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”305575″]42 on the giants, mcquarters maybe, appears to be wearing one yellow bandage under his eye. They zoomed in during 2nd Quarter on snf. no screenshot though[/quote]

    it’s spongebob

    paul’s espn column from waaaayyy back explains that and other shenanigans the “look at me” crew use

  • Teebz | December 14, 2008 at 10:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”305572″][quote comment=”305570″]Dad and I were discussing hockey this afternoon and he was telling me about some players wearing a battery-operated contraption in their skates that heats up the blade. Has anyone ever heard of this?[/quote]

    here

    i think this was discussed on here a while back…don’t know if any players actually use this technology at current…will page teebz[/quote]

    The page worked… although I show up about an hour late. LOL

    I had the story about ThermaBlades in March on my blog. You can see a video there as well as read about why the NHL and NHLPA won’t endorse them yet.

    Personally, good idea, but bad execution thus far. I never got a chance to test them out myself, but when four out of five NHL players don’t like them, I’d say it probably won’t grab a market share.

  • Leo | December 14, 2008 at 10:36 pm |

    Not sure if this has been mentioned yet (but I just caught it). West Ham has its new sponsor on its shirt and in action.

    http://www.whufc.com...,,12562~1488552,00.html

    The funny thing is that with the square shape, it took me about 10 minutes today to catch that that was not the squared numbers they’ve had on.

  • JTH | December 14, 2008 at 11:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”305577″][quote comment=”305572″][quote comment=”305570″]Dad and I were discussing hockey this afternoon and he was telling me about some players wearing a battery-operated contraption in their skates that heats up the blade. Has anyone ever heard of this?[/quote]

    here

    i think this was discussed on here a while back…don’t know if any players actually use this technology at current…will page teebz[/quote]

    The page worked… although I show up about an hour late. LOL

    I had the story about ThermaBlades in March on my blog. You can see a video there as well as read about why the NHL and NHLPA won’t endorse them yet.

    Personally, good idea, but bad execution thus far. I never got a chance to test them out myself, but when four out of five NHL players don’t like them, I’d say it probably won’t grab a market share.[/quote]
    My gut feeling? As crappy of a skater as I am, I think I’d fall on my ass with great regularity if I were wearing them.

    If they truly work as advertised, it seems like they’d be great for breakaways, shootouts and penalty shots. I’d have to think they’d be crap for goalies, anyone playing defense or on faceoffs — really any time where stability is more important than speed.

    Speed skating seems like the ideal application for them.

  • Patrick in MI | December 14, 2008 at 11:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”305577″][quote comment=”305572″][quote comment=”305570″]Dad and I were discussing hockey this afternoon and he was telling me about some players wearing a battery-operated contraption in their skates that heats up the blade. Has anyone ever heard of this?[/quote]

    here

    i think this was discussed on here a while back…don’t know if any players actually use this technology at current…will page teebz[/quote]

    The page worked… although I show up about an hour late. LOL

    I had the story about ThermaBlades in March on my blog. You can see a video there as well as read about why the NHL and NHLPA won’t endorse them yet.

    Personally, good idea, but bad execution thus far. I never got a chance to test them out myself, but when four out of five NHL players don’t like them, I’d say it probably won’t grab a market share.[/quote]
    Excellent work Teebz! I knew I would find the answer here.

  • =bg= | December 14, 2008 at 11:20 pm |

    8:20pm PT.
    Whew. How bout dem Cowboys.

  • Paul Lukas | December 14, 2008 at 11:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”305573″]Can anyone throw me a bone the name of the L.A Ram lineman that wore that modifed full cage & Dungard mask back in the 70’s?[/quote]

    I think you’re referring to John Williams:
    http://www.helmethut...

  • Htown Tim | December 14, 2008 at 11:54 pm |

    benchies..not funny

    and all you Giants fans..I hate the cowboys more than anything couldn’t your team have played a little better?

  • LI Phil | December 15, 2008 at 12:04 am |

    [quote comment=”305581″]8:20pm PT.
    Whew. How bout dem Cowboys.[/quote]

    well done brinke…you guys certainly deserved this one more

    /note to self…STOP dissing the boys in the “notes and quotes” section

  • robert | December 15, 2008 at 12:11 am |

    love the new vigor of the weekend i have seen over the last few weeks, but benchies? i have hope that it gets better, but i would think it come out with a bang over a bunk. having worked on a cartoon for the lantern at tOSU i know it’s hard work, so i mean no disrespect to the effort, but, well, good luck with that.

  • Teebz | December 15, 2008 at 12:15 am |

    [quote comment=”305580″]
    Excellent work Teebz! I knew I would find the answer here.[/quote]

    Anytime! I try to stay on top of important hockey-related news. ;o)

  • JTH | December 15, 2008 at 12:43 am |

    So, NFL week 15 worst uni matchup? I figured Cardinals-Vikings would be a shoo-in, but I didn’t count on the Jets going solid green against the Bills.

    Best? Not too many good ones to choose from. I think I’ll have to go with the Thursday night game but you could make a case for the late game tonight as well.

  • Scott Little | December 15, 2008 at 12:45 am |

    Ricko was very equitable about his characters shoe endorsements. I saw a pair of Nikes, Pumas, and adidas.

  • FreddiePickles | December 15, 2008 at 1:50 am |

    [quote comment=”305516″]

    A personal anecdote involving Ladies Love Cool James.

    When I was a freshman in HS, I worked a t a neighborhood deli Saturday afternoons until about 8 and all day Sundays.

    One of our regular customers form “around the way” was the legendary Hip Hop music producer Marley Marl.

    He would regularly bring in his mucsician friends for a bite to eat.

    One Saturday during football season, he comes in with LL. Because I knew MM pretty well, It wasn’t a big deal but LL. At that time, he had blown up, with “Mama said Knock you out”.

    Well MM introduces me to LL and asks me if I had a game that morning. Coincidentally we had won and I had played an especially good game, a few TD’s, a pick whatever.

    The next week, they both come in again. This time LL comes in, remembers my name and starts BS’ing with me asking me whether I had a game this week and whatnot.

    Silly, but pretty cool.[/quote]
    MPowers, you are truly my idol. I’ve been quietly admiring your sneaker collection, but I had to speak up when I read this. Making hoagies (sorry Philly guy) for LL? I would have just stood there in shock staring, and then when somebody told me to get to work I’d probably cut off a finger trying to slice tomatoes or something.

  • Nick | December 15, 2008 at 2:10 am |

    [quote comment=”305573″]Can anyone throw me a bone the name of the L.A Ram lineman that wore that modifed full cage & Dungard mask back in the 70’s?[/quote]

    John Williams wore that Facemask-and-a-half for a couple of years – I saw it against the Saints a bunch of times.

  • Nick | December 15, 2008 at 2:18 am |

    [quote comment=”305574″][quote comment=”305573″]Can anyone throw me a bone the name of the L.A Ram lineman that wore that modifed full cage & Dungard mask back in the 70’s?[/quote]

    Honestly, I know zip about facemasks by brand name. I do know Bob Brown wore an odd one.
    http://www.profootba...

    Probably wrong, but, hey, I took a shot.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    John Williams, Rams OL wore the weird facemask combo….

    But Bob Brown did wear the original outside padded Leather/rubber-topped helmet that had a strip of leather/padding on the outside of the top of the helmet – thought to prevent concussions.

    You can see the padded strip in Ricko’s photos. This was standard factory issued on some vintasge helmet lines. About three years ago GQ or Esquire magazine had a great full page picture of Bob Brown wearing the helmet with the outside padding – I believe that the actual article was how cold-weather sideline capes were fadding into the past and how they brought a certain sartorial element to NFL games, particularly those played in weather ere the ‘capes” were necessary.

  • scott | December 15, 2008 at 6:06 am |

    [quote comment=”305587″]So, NFL week 15 worst uni matchup? I figured Cardinals-Vikings would be a shoo-in, but I didn’t count on the Jets going solid green against the Bills.

    Best? Not too many good ones to choose from. I think I’ll have to go with the Thursday night game but you could make a case for the late game tonight as well.[/quote]

    Patriots-Raiders. Chargers-Chiefs. Packers-Jaguars. Lions-Colts. All five of those games were aesthetically pleasing.

  • JTH | December 15, 2008 at 11:48 am |

    [quote comment=”305592″]
    Patriots-Raiders. Chargers-Chiefs. Packers-Jaguars. Lions-Colts. All five of those games were aesthetically pleasing.[/quote]
    Five?

    Anyway, every one of those games had at least one major flaw that removed them from consideration:
    Patriots’ flying Elvis
    Chargers’ navy pants (they need to ditch those.)
    The Pack’s garish road unis/Jags’ stupid “hairball” helmet logo
    Lions’ black trim