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It Wasn’t Broke, but They Fixed It Anyway

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OK, so the Red Sox unveiled their new road and alternate uniforms yesterday, and boy howdy, the whole sports world would rather talk about CC Sabathia is all atwitter! Let’s take a look, element by element:

The new road jersey: Love the hanging socks sleeve patch (which I’m told was a very recent development that was added to the design just a few weeks ago), but man, that one-color lettering is sooooo drab. C’mon, gimme some red outlining or at least some red sleeve piping or something. Sox ownership reportedly got the idea for this design after a throwback game in 2007 when they wore early-’80s uniforms, but those were drab too. And what’s with the lettering? According to one report, “The lettering on all uniforms and logos will have the appearance of hand-cut felt, meant to look more traditional,” but I think the one-color road lettering looks more clown-ish — kinda rinky-dink, almost like a cheap minor league knockoff of the traditional two-color Sox lettering. Likewise, the one-color rear type is so plain compared to the version it’s replacing. A minor downgrade, I say. Meanwhile, two questions remain: (1) What undershirt color will be worn with the road grays — red or navy? The MLB Style Guide suggests that it will be red (note the collar), but undershirt specs can change, so this question will linger until next spring. And (2) Are the Sox really going with direct-sewn NOBs (instead of their usual nameplates), or did they just use some hastily heat-pressed NOBs for the unveiling?

The new road alternate jersey: Some teams just shouldn’t have alt jerseys, and the Sox are one of them. That said, if they have to have one, this is a whole lot better than this. Again, the jersey shown at the unveiling had direct-applied NOB lettering, but it’s not clear if that will be the case on the gamers.

The new home alternate jersey: How do you make the American League’s worst jersey even worse? Remove the placket and sleeve piping, so it looks even redder than before. Still can’t believe such a smart franchise can wear such a stupid jersey.

The new alternate cap: As a fashion cap, I love it. As a game cap, I think I like it, but I’m gonna need to see it on the field first. Just wish the logo didn’t look so much like a patch, but maybe it’s just the lighting or something.

The new primary logo: The hanging socks are now the team’s primary mark, with the baseball/bullseye logo relegated to secondary status. Plus they’ve made subtle changes to the latter mark — compare old (on the left) to new (on the right). But whatever, how will this even matter, aside from the icon that shows up in SportsCenter reports and a new set of stationery for everyone in the Bosox offices?

All in all: This was a good-looking team; it’s still a good-looking team, although maybe not quite as good on the road. Were any of these changes necessary? Nope, not a one. Is it good or is it stupid? A fair share of both.

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‘Where’s Waldo?’ Update: When I went ballistic a few days ago regarding the idiotic Reebok promotion that’s being foisted upon the NHL Winter Classic, the prevailing sentiment in the comments section was, “Calm down, Paul, it’s not such a big deal. Unless it dictates the TV coverage of the game, that is.” And most people seemed to think that wouldn’t happen.

Now reader Peter Kaszczak has shed some light on that situation. He sent a note to Reebok, asking why Canadian residents weren’t eligible to enter the Winter Classic contest. Here’s what he got back:

Thank you for your question. The Reebok Lost Logo Challenge is a watch & win promotion, which was created in conjunction with NBC and the NHL. Through its design, the promotion relies heavily on NBC to prompt viewer participation and provide pertinent contest announcements. Since the NBC broadcast of the NHL Winter Classic is only available to U.S. viewers, it would be disservice to open it up to TV viewers outside of the U.S. who would not hear the pertinent broadcast announcements for this contest.

Regards,
Reebok Corporate Communications

I rest my case.

Uni Watch News Ticker: Here’s another sleeved hoops jersey. That’s Jim Roberts of Sewanee grabbing one of his NCAA-record 53 rebounds on February 24th, 1958 (with thanks to Scott Musa). … And still more basketball sleeves: Mississippi Vocational College (now Mississippi Valley State) in 1959 (love the uni numbers on the sleeves) and 1966 (sock stripes!). Awesome stripes on the school’s 1959 football squad too (all this courtesy of Larz Roberts). … “Cyclist Alberto Contador has custom Sidi shoes, and they’re utterly rad,” says Sean Clancy. “Contador, a Spaniard who rides for the Astana team, is only the fifth cyclist to win the three grand tours — the Tour de France, the Giro d’Italia and the Vuelta a Espana. These victories are noted on his shoes — yellow for the Tour, pink for the Giro and gold for the Vuelta. The colors match the color of the leader’s jersey in each race.” … Here’s another one of those high-positioned Dungard facemasks (with thanks to Richard Stover). … Adidas has unveiled a new soccer ball for the UEFA Under 21 EURO 2009 tourney (thanks to Jeremy Brahm). … Several good archival finds by Doug Mooney, beginning with this amazing 1951 Popular Mechanics article on the design of marching band formations — highly recommended. Also worthwhile: this 1950 Baseball Digest handbook excerpt, which suggests that the debate over pant length was raging a lot earlier than we thought (see the indented graf just prior to section 1.16); a 1950 Popular Science item on some bizarre apron-like football pads; a 1967 Baseball Digest item on sock height (which I think actually means pant cuff height); a 1990 article on uniform numbers; an interesting definition of a third-string catcher; and a mention of Minnie Minoso showering in uniform for good luck. … “As I prepared my officially sponsored lunch of the NFL, I noticed the logo on the top of the can,” writes Jonathan Eskridge. “It makes me a little concerned about the actual canning date, but I think I’ll be OK.” … New sneakers for Kobe Bryant. … Dave Eskenazi has come up with a great Toronto Maple Leafs photo. No, not those Toronto Maple Leafs — these Toronto Maple Leafs. The photo’s from 1902, when the Leafs won the International League pennant. … Awesome video clip here on the Broncos’ vertically striped socks and the Steelers’ golden triangle jerseys. Stick it out through the whole clip — lots of good action bits, plus a scary jockstrap — or, rather, “jockey strap” — story (big thanks to Andrew Dixon). … My ESPN.com colleague Eric Neel tipped me wise to this amazing-looking book, which has dynamite graphics. Check out some excerpts here and click through the page gallery here. … “I’ve never seen a hockey player wearing a wristband,” says Kevin Zdancewicz. Me neither. … RIP, Bettie.

 

258 comments to It Wasn’t Broke, but They Fixed It Anyway

  • Rob | December 12, 2008 at 7:32 am |

    ““I’ve never seen a hockey player wearing a wristband,” says Kevin Zdancewicz. Me neither. ”

    Hmmm…you’ll notice the Nike swoosh on that wrist band. Combined with the Reebok logo on the jersey, I’m surprised he didn’t just burst into flames right there on the ice.

  • S.Menecola | December 12, 2008 at 7:41 am |

    Hockey players have been wearing wrist bands for years. I actually recall Wayne Gretzky wearing them. Perhaps it was to cover his wrists under those long cuffed gloves we wore.

  • Mike Edgerly | December 12, 2008 at 7:42 am |

    To further illustrate the significance of Alberto Contador’s shoes, here’s a pic of him wearing the leader’s jerseys of the Vuelta (Gold), Tour (yellow) and Giro (Pink) on the cover of Velonews. http://www.velonews....

  • Jim MI | December 12, 2008 at 7:50 am |

    [quote comment=”305130″]Hockey players have been wearing wrist bands for years. I actually recall Wayne Gretzky wearing them. Perhaps it was to cover his wrists under those long cuffed gloves we wore.[/quote]

    Wrist bands for hockey serve two purposes.

    1) Intended for the actual use (wiping sweat off your face).

    2) You can buy some wristbands with an added plastic insert for added protection from slashing between your elbow/forearm pads and your gloves. Seeing lots of players like to wear shorter gloves for better wrist movement, it leaves an unprotected space that seems like it’s a magnet for sticks and pucks to hit. I used to wear these years ago but had to throw them out because they got so sweat socked no amount of washing would help. Since I threw them out, never got around to buying new ones because I bought elbow pads that have forearm protection that covers that area.

    However, the armband shown in the pic looks like a regular wristband intended for only use #1. Wiping sweat off…

  • silentfrank | December 12, 2008 at 8:01 am |

    In regards to the Red Sox’s new jerseys

    Road jersey – while I can agree that the one color tone of the Boston logo is drab, that and the socks sleeve logo make it somewhat more exciting than the old 80’s they based the design from. On the other hand (assuming NOB’s aren’t required) if they were going with navy blue only numbers, may as well drop the NOB

    Alt hat – pretty much agree with Paul, as a fashion hat it’s nice, gotta see how it looks on the field

    Alt jerseys – the road one looks too much like a BP jersey, but better that than something totally horrendous. As for the home one, just IMO, if they wore it the same way the Brewers or Padres were their alts it’d get annoying quick. But they seem to use their alts in a fairly stingy way. Seeing the red alts, say, 10-15 times year works with me. Agree though, losing the piping doesn’t help.

  • LI Phil | December 12, 2008 at 8:16 am |

    [quote]RIP, Bettie.[/quote]

    bettie page?

  • JTH | December 12, 2008 at 8:21 am |

    I like the hanging socks as a sleeve patch, but it looks way too big. Also, I think it would look a lot better if it had the baseball behind it (think this minus the outer ring of text). To me it looks really strange as the only red element on the jersey.

  • JTH | December 12, 2008 at 8:23 am |

    BTW, typo in the ticker: Minoso, not Minosos.

  • steve | December 12, 2008 at 8:28 am |

    Why all the huge photos today?
    4856 X 2832 pixels is a little excessive

  • john in DC | December 12, 2008 at 8:29 am |

    That’s not a wristband, that’s a belt. Chara ate the tiny human who was wearing it.

  • DJ | December 12, 2008 at 8:30 am |

    Yes, Bettie Page passed away last night.

  • Paul Lukas | December 12, 2008 at 8:30 am |

    [quote comment=”305136″]BTW, typo in the ticker: Minoso, not Minosos.[/quote]

    Thanks. Fixed.

  • Ricko | December 12, 2008 at 8:32 am |

    From last of yesterday’s posts…
    “How many MLB teams now DON’T wear alts on the road? With the O’s and Red Sox now having dark road jerseys available, are the Tigers and Yankees the last tradition-bound teams in the AL? Seems the NL has more, with the Reds, Dodgers, Phillies, Pirates, Cardinals and Giants sticking with traditional gray for all games.”

    Good point, which perfectly illustrates the faulty logic of, “Let’s be unique like everyone else.”

    I do like the gray roads. Nice update of the traditional look we knew and loved on, say, Frankie Malzone. And the red hanging socks on the shoulder add a needed shot of color. Not so much on a hat, though. Alt hat looks like something for Christmas. Just needs a little lettering, something like “Santa Comes to My House” (only zinging the hat, not the gray jersey).

    I assume there’s no longer any piping on the road pants? And that road sleeves are navy? That begs the question, are they going back to navy sleeves at home, too, to complete the 50s/80s throwback feel?

    And I imagine the socks remain solid red, even with the gray road. Navy sleeves never meant all navy socks before, why start now.

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | December 12, 2008 at 8:33 am |

    Awwwww, T.O. is feeling left out.

    Poor baby.

  • Adam Jax | December 12, 2008 at 8:35 am |

    Ok, As a Yankees Fan, I have to say somethings about the Red Sox jerseys.

    The new roadies are a sight for sore eyes, they are a nod to the Teddy Ballgame years!

    The rest of them are an embarrasment…

    This is one of the founding memebers of the American League whose history is packed of legends and now they are going to be dressed on the field in these? Sorryful…

  • Scott | December 12, 2008 at 8:39 am |

    Paul,

    What do you mean, “What’s with the lettering?” on those new Sox jerseys. It’s an obvious return their more traditional early century type treatment (as exemplified in the new logo).

    I say it’s far superior to the bland road type treatment that they’ve used (mostly on but some off) for the past quarter century. Far superior and has nice, clean look.

    Same with the red alts — no blue piping is necessary, that just made it look tacky. Clean look that might be bright red, but we’ll assume they wear a clean white/gray pant … and not red pants … and it should look fine.

    Can’t stand the Red Sox. Don’t even like their unis. But they’ve cleaned it up quite nicely with minor changes.

    The real key is will they wear RED SOCKS (or stirrups)!

  • David | December 12, 2008 at 8:43 am |

    I easily see how the Red Sox red alt is easily the American Leagues worst jersey…by saying this though that means there is a worse jersey in your mind? What jersey is that? The Mets alt black?

    I can’t think of a jersey I dislike more than the red alternative.

  • Mark in Shiga | December 12, 2008 at 8:45 am |

    Paul, the article from Baseball Digest on uniform numbers is from 1990, not 1960. (I remember getting the magazine as a kid, and reading this same article! I was a Uni Watcher — or a uni number watcher — even then.)

    Regarding the Red Sox’ uniform changes: is this the first time we’re seeing the “McAuliffe” Red Sox number font in one color only? It really does look different, and not necessarily for the better. I would have left the names off the backs, but at least the single layer means that the names aren’t so huge. On the road alternates, though — those immense names really, really look bad on long-named players like Manny Delcarmen. And Delcarmen is a pretty big guy; I shudder to imagine Dustin Pedroia’s back with this thing on!

  • LI Phil | December 12, 2008 at 8:47 am |

    [quote]that means there is a worse jersey in your mind? What jersey is that? The Mets alt black?[/quote]

    not speaking for paul here, but yes

  • Michael Emody | December 12, 2008 at 8:49 am |

    Should have gone with BO STON.

  • JTH | December 12, 2008 at 8:55 am |

    [quote comment=”305144″]
    Same with the red alts — no blue piping red alt is necessary, that just made it look tacky.
    [/quote]

  • Elena | December 12, 2008 at 8:58 am |

    As an anti-pipingist, I think the Sox alt. home jersey is improved by losing the piping. But I hated it before, and I hate it still. Storied Franchises don’t need colored jerseys.

  • BDiamond | December 12, 2008 at 9:01 am |

    I think the Red Sox road uniform is a great upgrade. Simple is better in my mind and this pretty much is a perfect example. I may be in the minority, but I would have rather seen the more simple lettering style like they did in the 2007 throwback game.

  • Paul Lukas | December 12, 2008 at 9:01 am |

    [quote comment=”305147″][quote]that means there is a worse jersey in your mind? What jersey is that? The Mets alt black?[/quote]

    not speaking for paul here, but yes[/quote]

    Speaking for Paul: Rockies’ black vest w/ purple lettering.

  • the rAKe | December 12, 2008 at 9:02 am |

    Did anyone notice the design contest for the new Nike/Polish National Football (soccer) kit (uniform) on the adidas U-21 Euro ball page?

  • Jim MI | December 12, 2008 at 9:02 am |

    Brent Sopel’s socks are getting out of control…

    http://www.gettyimag...|1&axs=0|83984606%2c83984539%2c83938821%2c83905733%2c83872531%2c83872506%2c83872504%2c83872493%2c83873075%2c83873003%2c83852036%2c83851730%2c83699183%2c83570294%2c83570243%2c83521906%2c83521903%2c83521892%2c83512481%2c83458223%2c83408190%2c83408175%2c83349100%2c83348879%2c83340933%2c83340670%2c83340582%2c83325201%2c83324726%2c83340428%2c83340426%2c83223551%2c83221821%2c83221794%2c83950568%2c80577545%2c80577518%2c80496030%2c80502242%2c80441641%2c80441609%2c80441592%2c80439694%2c80439683%2c80417932%2c80393278%2c80392801%2c80441161%2c80441159%2c80352827%2c80352354%2c80352350%2c80390377%2c80390375%2c80346010%2c80356711%2c80315160%2c79880283%2c79845858%2c79893863|0

    The reasoning behind this has been debated in the past, so let’s not get into it again, but Paul or Phil, is there anyway you can contact the blackhawks equipment manager and ask the reasoning behind this?

  • Stuby | December 12, 2008 at 9:14 am |

    The worst alt jersey, in my opinion, is the Pirates red vest.

  • Paul Lukas | December 12, 2008 at 9:20 am |

    [quote comment=”305155″]Brent Sopel’s socks are getting out of control…

    http://www.gettyimag...|1&axs=0|83984606%2c83984539%2c83938821%2c83905733%2c83872531%2c83872506%2c83872504%2c83872493%2c83873075%2c83873003%2c83852036%2c83851730%2c83699183%2c83570294%2c83570243%2c83521906%2c83521903%2c83521892%2c83512481%2c83458223%2c83408190%2c83408175%2c83349100%2c83348879%2c83340933%2c83340670%2c83340582%2c83325201%2c83324726%2c83340428%2c83340426%2c83223551%2c83221821%2c83221794%2c83950568%2c80577545%2c80577518%2c80496030%2c80502242%2c80441641%2c80441609%2c80441592%2c80439694%2c80439683%2c80417932%2c80393278%2c80392801%2c80441161%2c80441159%2c80352827%2c80352354%2c80352350%2c80390377%2c80390375%2c80346010%2c80356711%2c80315160%2c79880283%2c79845858%2c79893863|0

    The reasoning behind this has been debated in the past, so let’s not get into it again, but Paul or Phil, is there anyway you can contact the blackhawks equipment manager and ask the reasoning behind this?[/quote]

    On it.

  • Mark K | December 12, 2008 at 9:22 am |

    Chicago’s coaches had lavender jackets on last night.

  • warren thompson | December 12, 2008 at 9:28 am |

    That photo of the Sewanee player grabbing one of his record-setting rebounds also shows something else you don’t see much of these days: a team wearing a dark jersey and [apparently] white shorts.

  • Beantown | December 12, 2008 at 9:31 am |

    [quote comment=”305155″]Brent Sopel’s socks are getting out of control…

    http://www.gettyimag...|1&axs=0|83984606%2c83984539%2c83938821%2c83905733%2c83872531%2c83872506%2c83872504%2c83872493%2c83873075%2c83873003%2c83852036%2c83851730%2c83699183%2c83570294%2c83570243%2c83521906%2c83521903%2c83521892%2c83512481%2c83458223%2c83408190%2c83408175%2c83349100%2c83348879%2c83340933%2c83340670%2c83340582%2c83325201%2c83324726%2c83340428%2c83340426%2c83223551%2c83221821%2c83221794%2c83950568%2c80577545%2c80577518%2c80496030%2c80502242%2c80441641%2c80441609%2c80441592%2c80439694%2c80439683%2c80417932%2c80393278%2c80392801%2c80441161%2c80441159%2c80352827%2c80352354%2c80352350%2c80390377%2c80390375%2c80346010%2c80356711%2c80315160%2c79880283%2c79845858%2c79893863|0

    The reasoning behind this has been debated in the past, so let’s not get into it again, but Paul or Phil, is there anyway you can contact the blackhawks equipment manager and ask the reasoning behind this?[/quote]

    While your at it, you can throw Paul Mara in as a chronic offender. http://sports.yahoo....

  • Spenceohio | December 12, 2008 at 9:31 am |

    [quote]a 1950 Popular Science item on some bizarre apron-like football pads[/quote]

    Looks like [url=http://www.ruggers.com/tacklesuit.html]a rugby contact suit[/url]

  • Mark in Shiga | December 12, 2008 at 9:31 am |

    [quote comment=”305150″]As an anti-pipingist, I think the Sox alt. home jersey is improved by losing the piping. But I hated it before, and I hate it still. Storied Franchises don’t need colored jerseys.[/quote]

    Some storied franchises had beautiful colored jerseys and spiffy colored socks to go with them.

    Forgive me for picking on you, Elena, but I don’t get the worship of gray among self-identified “traditionalists”. The only thing “traditional” about gray is that it’s what teams were wearing when baby boomers were kids. In the 1940s and earlier, you’d see the occasional colorful uniform, and even back then, pants were pulled up higher so you got to see some color in the players’ socks.

    Today, with socks invisible, a gray uniform is just a mass of dull, colorless insipidity. Let’s hope that the Red Sox are bringing back their classic two-toned, striped socks, and making the players show them (Jamie Moyer-Liberty Bell style). Otherwise I’d just as soon see them wear the red shirts on the road.

  • Marc | December 12, 2008 at 9:33 am |

    Did anyone else notice that Villanova had to go to the “blood” jersey in the second half against St. Joes last night?

  • al | December 12, 2008 at 9:42 am |

    Regarding the sox, change for the sake of change did not work here. the change to blue lettering on the road does not work, and the “hanging sox” on the sleeve are toooo big.

  • Kelly | December 12, 2008 at 9:44 am |

    [quote comment=”305145″]I easily see how the Red Sox red alt is easily the American Leagues worst jersey…by saying this though that means there is a worse jersey in your mind? What jersey is that? The Mets alt black?

    I can’t think of a jersey I dislike more than the red alternative.[/quote]

    How about the purple colorado disaster? I’m guessing that’s what Paul had in mind.

    I for one am glad the sox went back to solid navy on the road, but I would have rathered they not have NOB and I think the two sox clutter the sleeve.

    As far as I know, the Red Sox abandon the use of their alternate jerseys in the playoffs. Here’s hoping that trend continues

  • Bob Andrews | December 12, 2008 at 9:44 am |

    Some teams just shouldn’t have alt jerseys, and the Sox are one of them.

    Amen.

  • TD | December 12, 2008 at 9:46 am |

    Terry Bradshaw wore one of those high side-mounted Dungard masks in his his first couple of seasons, but in looking for that I found this picture from his senior year at Louisiana Tech..

    And, for the record, here’s that same mask with the Steelers..

  • Frankie | December 12, 2008 at 9:49 am |

    completely random, but i wasn’t aware that the giants ever played in detroit… haha

    http://shop.mlb.com/...

  • ScottyJ in WV | December 12, 2008 at 9:50 am |

    Overall, I’d say I’m mixed in my feelings on the Red Sox updated look. Overall, I like the road grays, especially the Socks on the sleeve. Like Ricko said, gives it some much needed color. What would make the jersey pop is just the slightest bit of red outlining on the letters and numbers. I don’t think it needs any sleeve or pants piping, but just that little bit more of red would be great.

    The alts are kinda boring. They look like standard unis anyone could get for their team.

    The cap looks great, but as a fashion cap like Paul said. If they wanted an alt cap, why did they not just go with the red crown/blue bill look from the 70s??

  • Duck | December 12, 2008 at 9:51 am |

    The new Red Sox away grays are damn near perfect, IMO. I love the felt-like lettering, and the hanging socks sleeve pactch is a nice touch, much like my favorite secondary logo on Earth, the White Sox diamond sock logo. The hat however just looks stupid and bush league, teams should have one hat only, and the normal B logo is much better. The hanging socks logo should be a secondary logo, not the primary that’s the biggest mistake here. The blue alternate is fine, in the same way many are, just fine, not all that annoying unless they wear it too much(I’m looking at your White Sox). The alt looked terribe already, and like Paul said, they go ahead and make it worse by removing the piping, and I’m a man that loves him some piping. Overall they took a cue from Eddie Izzard, they wanted to give the people a ….”sort of “heh” feeling, and I think they’ve done that quite well.”

  • TD | December 12, 2008 at 9:55 am |

    The other guy who famously wore that particular Dungard mask was Bob Griese, who also wore this one and would occasionally go with the glasses to make it funnier-looking.

  • Nate | December 12, 2008 at 10:02 am |

    [quote comment=”305168″]completely random, but i wasn’t aware that the giants ever played in detroit… haha

    http://shop.mlb.com/...

    This is hilarious, maybe its a grade?

  • ed lanum | December 12, 2008 at 10:03 am |

    so i just found out that ESPN will be showing the ‘greatest game ever played’ in color/hd tomorrow night after the heisman. Should be great for uni related discoveries!!!!!!

  • Jim MI | December 12, 2008 at 10:03 am |

    Anyone wonder what Wrigley Feild looks like in the Winter?

    http://www.nhl.com/i...

  • scott | December 12, 2008 at 10:03 am |

    [quote comment=”305162″][quote comment=”305150″]As an anti-pipingist, I think the Sox alt. home jersey is improved by losing the piping. But I hated it before, and I hate it still. Storied Franchises don’t need colored jerseys.[/quote]

    Some storied franchises had beautiful colored jerseys and spiffy colored socks to go with them.

    Forgive me for picking on you, Elena, but I don’t get the worship of gray among self-identified “traditionalists”. The only thing “traditional” about gray is that it’s what teams were wearing when baby boomers were kids. In the 1940s and earlier, you’d see the occasional colorful uniform, and even back then, pants were pulled up higher so you got to see some color in the players’ socks.

    Today, with socks invisible, a gray uniform is just a mass of dull, colorless insipidity. Let’s hope that the Red Sox are bringing back their classic two-toned, striped socks, and making the players show them (Jamie Moyer-Liberty Bell style). Otherwise I’d just as soon see them wear the red shirts on the road.[/quote]

    While it’s true that teams of yesteryear wore dark-colored jerseys, it’s only been since the 1970s that teams have work a dark-colored jersey over white or gray pants. I’d be much more willing to accept dark-colored jerseys in baseball if they are paired with matching pants. So, there is really NOTHING traditional about colorful uniforms, unless they are paired with colorful pants.

  • Mike V. | December 12, 2008 at 10:04 am |

    [quote comment=”305129″]”“I’ve never seen a hockey player wearing a wristband,” says Kevin Zdancewicz. Me neither. ”

    Hmmm…you’ll notice the Nike swoosh on that wrist band. Combined with the Reebok logo on the jersey, I’m surprised he didn’t just burst into flames right there on the ice.[/quote]

    Bursting into flames is def a possibility, but i pictured a more Raider’s of the Lost Ark face-melting thing happening.

    As to why the wrist band, the first thing that popped into my mind was because of the new jerseys, there have been complaints about players hands/gloves getting saturated with the runoff sweat coming off the moister-resistant jerseys. Perhaps the wrist band might help keep some of that out of the gloves.

  • Joe Drennan | December 12, 2008 at 10:06 am |

    [quote comment=”305132″][quote comment=”305130″]Hockey players have been wearing wrist bands for years. I actually recall Wayne Gretzky wearing them. Perhaps it was to cover his wrists under those long cuffed gloves we wore.[/quote]

    Wrist bands for hockey serve two purposes.

    1) Intended for the actual use (wiping sweat off your face).

    2) You can buy some wristbands with an added plastic insert for added protection from slashing between your elbow/forearm pads and your gloves. Seeing lots of players like to wear shorter gloves for better wrist movement, it leaves an unprotected space that seems like it’s a magnet for sticks and pucks to hit. I used to wear these years ago but had to throw them out because they got so sweat socked no amount of washing would help. Since I threw them out, never got around to buying new ones because I bought elbow pads that have forearm protection that covers that area.

    However, the armband shown in the pic looks like a regular wristband intended for only use #1. Wiping sweat off…[/quote]

    Many of my teammates in college wore these, we called em slash guards. As mentioned it was a wrist band with plastic inside them to protect from some nifty stick work.

    As a goalie I wear one on my glove hand as there is a small void in protection between the end of my chest protector sleeve and my glove. The slash guard fills in that void nicely.

  • War Damn Eagle | December 12, 2008 at 10:08 am |

    [quote comment=”305141″]From last of yesterday’s posts…
    “How many MLB teams now DON’T wear alts on the road? With the O’s and Red Sox now having dark road jerseys available, are the Tigers and Yankees the last tradition-bound teams in the AL? Seems the NL has more, with the Reds, Dodgers, Phillies, Pirates, Cardinals and Giants sticking with traditional gray for all games.”

    Good point, which perfectly illustrates the faulty logic of, “Let’s be unique like everyone else.”

    I do like the gray roads. Nice update of the traditional look we knew and loved on, say, Frankie Malzone. And the red hanging socks on the shoulder add a needed shot of color. Not so much on a hat, though. Alt hat looks like something for Christmas. Just needs a little lettering, something like “Santa Comes to My House” (only zinging the hat, not the gray jersey).

    I assume there’s no longer any piping on the road pants? And that road sleeves are navy? That begs the question, are they going back to navy sleeves at home, too, to complete the 50s/80s throwback feel?

    And I imagine the socks remain solid red, even with the gray road. Navy sleeves never meant all navy socks before, why start now.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Nats don’t have a road alt. The red and blue alts are only for use at home.

  • Shane | December 12, 2008 at 10:12 am |

    I’m definitely buying the new Sox road jersey. Wonderful, it is.

    (and hey, I totally called the navy alt!)

  • Flip | December 12, 2008 at 10:12 am |

    My 2 cents worth of the BoSox jerseys:

    New road unis: Great upgrade. The hanging socks are a great splash of color. With just the socks, I don’t think they’re too big. I was hoping for the plain sans-serif lettering, but I’m OK with the navy fancy type. I disagree that it looks minor league. They HAVE to wear navy undershirts with the road unis, just HAVE to. (And they should at home, too.

    Alt cap: OK

    Alt road and home unis: Just a marketing ploy and are totally unnecessary.

    The only correct observation I recall George Steinbrenner making was regarding the futuristic uniform promotion from the late ’90s. He said something like the Yankees ARE wearing their uniforms of the future. Same should go for the Red Sox.

    Now all they need to do is return to the patriotic stirrups, but I suppose that would be asking too much.

  • tom | December 12, 2008 at 10:14 am |

    i like the red sox road jersey. but why do teams need alternate jerseys at all?(i know, $$$) i can’t stand any of them. they look cheap.

  • Mark K | December 12, 2008 at 10:19 am |

    [quote comment=”305179″]I’m definitely buying the new Sox road jersey. Wonderful, it is.

    (and hey, I totally called the navy alt!)[/quote]
    Way to go out on a limb.

  • chance | December 12, 2008 at 10:25 am |

    [quote comment=”305156″]The worst alt jersey, in my opinion, is the Pirates red vest.[/quote]
    Mine, too.

    While the alts are way too much (when your regular look is this good you don’t need alts), I rather like the new road uniforms – the sleeve patch saves it from being too plain.

    As for the lettering, I prefer the way they appear in the mockups, with the first S broken across the placket. I know this increases the likelihood of seeing “BOSSTON”, but the off-center lettering is a worse alternative.

  • LI Phil | December 12, 2008 at 10:26 am |

    [quote comment=”305158″]Chicago’s coaches had lavender jackets on last night.[/quote]

    so, now we have two NFL teams in lavender…the ravens and the bears…

    who’s next?

  • War Damn Eagle | December 12, 2008 at 10:29 am |

    Ok, so a lot of people talk about how much they dislike about this alt uni or that alt uni, or whatever. So, what is the best alt uni in baseball today? Is it a dark colored jersey (just about everyone has one of these), or one of the total-retro looks that a team sports, etc (Blue Jays’ powder blues, or Cleveland’s cream colored home alts, etc.)?

    Favorite alt unis:
    Cleveland’s cream colored home alt with “C” hat
    Pittsburgh’s pinstripe home alt
    Atlanta’s navy road alt with solid navy hat

  • JTH | December 12, 2008 at 10:30 am |

    [quote comment=”305174″]Anyone wonder what Wrigley Feild looks like in the Winter?

    http://www.nhl.com/i...
    Sometimes it looks like that in the spring.

    I’d like to know what it looks like in late October.

  • Chris | December 12, 2008 at 10:31 am |

    The claim Reebok makes–“Since the NBC broadcast of the NHL Winter Classic is only available to U.S. viewers”–is total BS. I live in New Brunswick and my cable system gets two different NBC affiliates. Last year’s Winter Classic (TM) (R) (C) (TM) (TM) (TM) (R) was available on NBC as well as CBC. Unless they’re going to start blacking-out NBC games up here, which they’ve never done before, that’s a total lie.

    The real reason is, of course, hockey ratings in the US suck, so they’re using a gimmick to boost them. Ratings don’t suck (as much) in Canada, so no gimmick. But they’d never admit that.

  • Beardface | December 12, 2008 at 10:36 am |

    [quote comment=”305168″]completely random, but i wasn’t aware that the giants ever played in detroit… haha

    http://shop.mlb.com/...
    What the…

    either thats intentional, or one of the weirdest oversights I’ve seen

  • Josh | December 12, 2008 at 10:36 am |

    No mention of the Crossed Sox hat. I have owned one for some time. But for the alts (I prefer the 1990 to 2008 version of the road jersey) if they had to do them, they could have worn hats that had a different color scheme preferable used the Blue ‘B’ with a blue rim and a red hat (circa 1975). I like the crossed sox hat(I have owned one for some time), but I am in love with the 1975 hat. It is my usual hat of choice when I wear one.

  • JTH | December 12, 2008 at 10:51 am |

    [quote comment=”305155″]Brent Sopel’s socks are getting out of control…

    http://www.gettyimag...|1&axs=0|83984606%2c83984539%2c83938821%2c83905733%2c83872531%2c83872506%2c83872504%2c83872493%2c83873075%2c83873003%2c83852036%2c83851730%2c83699183%2c83570294%2c83570243%2c83521906%2c83521903%2c83521892%2c83512481%2c83458223%2c83408190%2c83408175%2c83349100%2c83348879%2c83340933%2c83340670%2c83340582%2c83325201%2c83324726%2c83340428%2c83340426%2c83223551%2c83221821%2c83221794%2c83950568%2c80577545%2c80577518%2c80496030%2c80502242%2c80441641%2c80441609%2c80441592%2c80439694%2c80439683%2c80417932%2c80393278%2c80392801%2c80441161%2c80441159%2c80352827%2c80352354%2c80352350%2c80390377%2c80390375%2c80346010%2c80356711%2c80315160%2c79880283%2c79845858%2c79893863|0

    The reasoning behind this has been debated in the past, so let’s not get into it again, but Paul or Phil, is there anyway you can contact the blackhawks equipment manager and ask the reasoning behind this?[/quote]
    Sorry for not honoring your request to not get into this, but I can’t resist the opportunity to post this picture of a kid who was at my son’s hockey practice this past Saturday.

    In case there’s anyone who still thinks Sopel’s wearing his socks upside-down. This is what an upside-down sock looks like. The left sock has fallen down, but look at the right. The stripes are above the knee.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Now if I hadn’t been so damned concerned with snapping that picture, I might have noticed that someone was walking off with my son’s gloves. ‘Scuse me while I run out to Play It Again Sports.

  • Neil | December 12, 2008 at 10:51 am |

    There’s always been a big to-do about water and sweat pooling in players gloves after the introduction of the Reebok Edge jerseys. Chara’s probably trying to keep that from happening.

  • Nicole | December 12, 2008 at 10:53 am |

    Can’t get over how wide/big the neck hole/collars are in that 1959 picture of Mississippi Vocational College (now Mississippi Valley State).

    Looks like a woman’s boat neck collar!

  • scott | December 12, 2008 at 10:57 am |

    [quote comment=”305185″]Ok, so a lot of people talk about how much they dislike about this alt uni or that alt uni, or whatever. So, what is the best alt uni in baseball today? Is it a dark colored jersey (just about everyone has one of these), or one of the total-retro looks that a team sports, etc (Blue Jays’ powder blues, or Cleveland’s cream colored home alts, etc.)?

    Favorite alt unis:
    Cleveland’s cream colored home alt with “C” hat
    Pittsburgh’s pinstripe home alt
    Atlanta’s navy road alt with solid navy hat[/quote]

    The best, and most creative alts, are the cream-colored sets worn by the Indians and Phillies, and the pinstriped ones the Brewers wear on Fridays.

    Getting back to the “hanging Sox” logo for a second, it’s interesting that most, if not all, of the Red Sox minor league teams have been wearing that very same logo as a shoulder patch in recent seasons.

  • Juan Grande | December 12, 2008 at 10:58 am |

    I’m a lifelong Sox fan (seems to be rare to find a fan previous to 2004 these days outside of New England). It pains me to say this but I prefer the batting practice jersey over the red alt.

    Compare and contrast:

    BP Jersey: http://shop.mlb.com/...

    Remove the navy armpits but keep the white lettering!

  • JTH | December 12, 2008 at 11:04 am |

    So where can I get me [quote comment=”305184″][quote comment=”305158″]Chicago’s coaches had lavender jackets on last night.[/quote]

    so, now we have two NFL teams in lavender…the ravens and the bears…

    who’s next?[/quote]
    So where do I get me one of these lavender beauties?
    http://static.nfl.co...

    http://static.nfl.co...

    http://static.nfl.co...

  • […] I think Paul Lukas from Uni Watch said it best: “It wasn’t broke, but they fixed it anyway.” […]

  • JTH | December 12, 2008 at 11:06 am |

    I don’t know what happened with my previous comment. I assure you that I only typed the words “So where can I get me” one time.

  • Beardface | December 12, 2008 at 11:07 am |

    [quote comment=”305185″]Ok, so a lot of people talk about how much they dislike about this alt uni or that alt uni, or whatever. So, what is the best alt uni in baseball today? Is it a dark colored jersey (just about everyone has one of these), or one of the total-retro looks that a team sports, etc (Blue Jays’ powder blues, or Cleveland’s cream colored home alts, etc.)?

    Favorite alt unis:
    Cleveland’s cream colored home alt with “C” hat
    Pittsburgh’s pinstripe home alt
    Atlanta’s navy road alt with solid navy hat[/quote]
    What? the Atlanta one is good?

    Sorry, no, no no no no no… the chest insignia is just an outline. Its horrible, and the all-navy hat is terrible as well. That is one of the worst unis in the league.

  • JTH | December 12, 2008 at 11:10 am |

    [quote comment=”305197″]I don’t know what happened with my previous comment. I assure you that I only typed the words “So where can I get me” one time.[/quote]
    Wait. I know what happened.

    Holy crap am I tired.

  • Graham | December 12, 2008 at 11:12 am |

    http://www.lasvegass...

    Las Vegas Wranglers are going to wear prison uniforms in honor (disgrace?) of Illinois governor Rod Blagojevich.

  • AMDG | December 12, 2008 at 11:14 am |

    I love the changes to Red Sox road uniforms provided that they use blue undershirts and return to the stipped socks.

    The all red look s never looked right with the blue cap.

    For the home uniforms I would either return to the blue undershirt and stripped socks or add a red bill to the cap. I would also put the logo on the sleeve (as well as the piping.

    The red alts are hideous – If they insist on having them they should replace the lettering with the new secondary logo and bring the piping back.

  • Ricko | December 12, 2008 at 11:16 am |

    [quote comment=”305184″][quote comment=”305158″]Chicago’s coaches had lavender jackets on last night.[/quote]

    so, now we have two NFL teams in lavender…the ravens and the bears…

    who’s next?[/quote]

    Comment probably being heard at NFL Properties this morning: “Okay, guys, if we stick with gray sideline parkas next year we’re changing the color specs. The gray we’re using now looks lavender on TV during night games.”

    Can we put an end to this before it becomes a “green sticker” subject?

  • LI Phil | December 12, 2008 at 11:22 am |

    [quote comment=”305202″][quote comment=”305184″][quote comment=”305158″]Chicago’s coaches had lavender jackets on last night.[/quote]

    so, now we have two NFL teams in lavender…the ravens and the bears…

    who’s next?[/quote]

    Comment probably being heard at NFL Properties this morning: “Okay, guys, if we stick with gray sideline parkas next year we’re changing the color specs. The gray we’re using now looks lavender on TV during night games.”

    Can we put an end to this before it becomes a “green sticker” subject?[/quote]

    you mean they’re not lavender?

  • Ricko | December 12, 2008 at 11:25 am |

    [quote comment=”305203″][quote comment=”305202″][quote comment=”305184″][quote comment=”305158″]Chicago’s coaches had lavender jackets on last night.[/quote]

    so, now we have two NFL teams in lavender…the ravens and the bears…

    who’s next?[/quote]

    Comment probably being heard at NFL Properties this morning: “Okay, guys, if we stick with gray sideline parkas next year we’re changing the color specs. The gray we’re using now looks lavender on TV during night games.”

    Can we put an end to this before it becomes a “green sticker” subject?[/quote]

    you mean they’re not lavender?[/quote]

    As Indiana Jones said about the arc of the covenant wall painting in the catacombs of Venice in LAST CRUSADE…
    “Pretty sure.”

  • Leo | December 12, 2008 at 11:29 am |

    [quote comment=”305186″][quote comment=”305174″]Anyone wonder what Wrigley Feild looks like in the Winter?

    http://www.nhl.com/i...
    Sometimes it looks like that in the spring.

    I’d like to know what it looks like in late October.[/quote]

    What I really like about these pictures is that silhouetted amongst the ivy and snow is a small logo, saying, “Even in a picturesque scene like this, there is always room for log creep.”

  • Leo | December 12, 2008 at 11:29 am |

    [quote comment=”305205″][quote comment=”305186″][quote comment=”305174″]Anyone wonder what Wrigley Feild looks like in the Winter?

    http://www.nhl.com/i...
    Sometimes it looks like that in the spring.

    I’d like to know what it looks like in late October.[/quote]

    What I really like about these pictures is that silhouetted amongst the ivy and snow is a small logo, saying, “Even in a picturesque scene like this, there is always room for log creep.”[/quote]

    That should say logo creep, not log creep.

  • JTH | December 12, 2008 at 11:32 am |

    [quote comment=”305206″][quote comment=”305205″][quote comment=”305186″][quote comment=”305174″]Anyone wonder what Wrigley Feild looks like in the Winter?

    http://www.nhl.com/i...
    Sometimes it looks like that in the spring.

    I’d like to know what it looks like in late October.[/quote]

    What I really like about these pictures is that silhouetted amongst the ivy and snow is a small logo, saying, “Even in a picturesque scene like this, there is always room for log creep.”[/quote]

    That should say logo creep, not log creep.[/quote]
    It’s better than bad; it’s good.

  • Cory | December 12, 2008 at 11:33 am |

    check out some comical comments about garnetts “leg sleeve” after last nights game:

    http://www.usatoday....

    scroll down to notes

  • Teebz | December 12, 2008 at 11:37 am |

    [quote comment=”305187″]The claim Reebok makes–“Since the NBC broadcast of the NHL Winter Classic is only available to U.S. viewers”–is total BS. I live in New Brunswick and my cable system gets two different NBC affiliates. Last year’s Winter Classic (TM) (R) (C) (TM) (TM) (TM) (R) was available on NBC as well as CBC. Unless they’re going to start blacking-out NBC games up here, which they’ve never done before, that’s a total lie.

    The real reason is, of course, hockey ratings in the US suck, so they’re using a gimmick to boost them. Ratings don’t suck (as much) in Canada, so no gimmick. But they’d never admit that.[/quote]

    I made this very claim yesterday, and I am still awaiting a response from Reebok on how they obtained information about NBC’s broadcasting signals.

    I’m guessing Reebok’s marketing team is coming up with a way to tell me that they did “extensive research” on the subject, and were “unaware of the potential signals” being broadcast in Canada.

  • Mark in Shiga | December 12, 2008 at 11:37 am |

    My favorite alt is the Cubs’ blue jersey, which I think they should wear on the road all the time.

    If you include “throwback” styles, then the honor goes to Cleveland and their 1948 jerseys. Class and simplicity. Oakland’s green road jerseys are good too; long lasting and very distinctive, color-wise, in a sport where seemingly half the teams wear red. And — flame-retardant suit coming on here — speaking of red jerseys, I like the Angels’ red alternate. Garish, yes, but unlike anything any other team is wearing!

  • GT | December 12, 2008 at 11:45 am |

    don’t think anyone noticed this, but the soxanddawgs site that paul linked to says the sox road alts will be worn with the WHITE pants.

    atrocious if true

  • Johnny F. | December 12, 2008 at 11:49 am |

    I orginally thought the new Sox cap was a bit too much of a “fashion cap” for game play. However, when you picture that cap, dirtied and sweatstained..(like many of the Sox wear their hats)..it will give it a classic, old school look.

    I also know a bunch of Sox fans will will buy these hats up like crazy. It will be a HUGE seller.

    The 2-sock patch on the sleeve of the jersey would look better if there was no majestic logo just below it. I guess that goes without saying, but I felt like saying it.

    Lastly- the new roadies remind me of the 1986 World Series….and that’s a good thing. Maybe that’s what my Mets need to win it all again. Switch the Sox roadies back to blue writing! METS in ’09!!!

    http://www.billtripp...

  • LI Phil | December 12, 2008 at 11:56 am |

    [quote comment=”305213″]http://www.billtrippe.com/img/bill%20buckner.jpg[/quote]

    that’s my favorite pic (of ’86)…notice the batting glove on bucky’s right hand?

  • AJ | December 12, 2008 at 11:57 am |

    Hockey players actually wear wristbands with plastic inside them when they have short cuffed gloves, although that wristband does not look like it is made like that.

  • Stephen | December 12, 2008 at 12:04 pm |

    Yeah, the NBC-is-only-available-to-US-viewers thing is gloriously ignorant (since I like the NBC HD feed and announcers far more than the CBC version – although with Bob Cole banished to second-tier status, that may change – I watch it more come playoff time), but kinda par for the course for Reebok these days. Someone didn’t do the research, much like their bullheaded insistence that the scooped-bottom jerseys don’t make the Rangers look goofy.

    But… no real griping about the TM thing on the logo, since I’m not going to complain about the NHL protecting something fun that actually has some marketing legs.

  • Peter | December 12, 2008 at 12:16 pm |

    Teebz:

    I know you mentioned that yesterday…but that was a response that took 3 days for me to get.

    I tried calling, (which became a nightmare becuase no one knew who to transfer me too, even when I was with the media relations dept.!)

    I feel that the answer was given to me in part to
    a) No one thought out an answer to begin with
    b) Reebok doesn’t usually answer such esoteric questions
    c) They may have felt that I am an uneducated/uninformed member of society (and Ironically, I work in television)

    IF you can get a clearer answer, then go for it!!

    My intention was that maybe hearing directly from Reebok, it would end speculations and be 100% firm in their response, plus I thought it would be interesting to hear what they (the corporation) would have to say on this subject…and this is what they sent me (I honestly am surprised I got a response!)

    ….but I forgot the most important thing: Corporations have no souls…

  • Bob Andrews | December 12, 2008 at 12:16 pm |

    No Baltimore Colt fan could pass this baby up. It’s even autographed by “Johney Unites”. WTF?

  • James P. | December 12, 2008 at 12:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”305167″]Terry Bradshaw wore one of those high side-mounted Dungard masks in his his first couple of seasons, but in looking for that I found this picture from his senior year at Louisiana Tech..

    And, for the record, here’s that same mask with the Steelers..[/quote]

    I posted this two days ago and it was lost in the comments.

    here is a better image of TB in his Dungard: http://www.mmbolding...

  • Johnny F. | December 12, 2008 at 12:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”305214″][quote comment=”305213″]http://www.billtrippe.com/img/bill%20buckner.jpg[/quote]

    that’s my favorite pic (of ’86)…notice the batting glove on bucky’s right hand?[/quote]

    I love it too. That glove is hysterical. Sure don’t see that sort of thing anymore. And as a bonus, a Cubs logo! Awesome.

  • Peter | December 12, 2008 at 12:23 pm |

    Teebz (pt 2):

    In Canada, are US networks regularly aired up there? Or do you need a satelite?

    When Ever Im in Toronto, I usually get at least one or two buffalo stations pending the cable provider…but I would think that what Reebok is trying to coney in their message to me…was that only US Broadcasts would carry the Winter Classic, but you are saying that Canada gets regular NBC airings…so, either Reebok is very poor at researching who actually “sees” the game, or….you are using former soviet satellites to steal American tv signals that are beaming anti-canadian subliminal messages to us…..

  • Jon | December 12, 2008 at 12:23 pm |

    My .02…

    1) Whenever I have a discussion about my high school, I have no athletic/uniform references, only “Bettie Page is an alum…” R.I.P.

    2) Boston’s new uni: simplicity is nice, just glad Manny can’t give it the pajamas with footies treatment…

    3) Any baseball jersey that is a vest should be considered the worst alt. Not only are they ugly, but uncomfortable as well…

  • Jonathan | December 12, 2008 at 12:24 pm |

    I’d like to report that I’m in good health after lunch yesterday. I won’t let the old NFL logo ruin my week!

  • MPowers1634 | December 12, 2008 at 12:36 pm |

    Look at what one of my colleagues wore to work today:

    http://i256.photobuc...

    Trajan Sucks, bring back Pointedly Mad

  • Peter | December 12, 2008 at 12:36 pm |

    Hey Canadians!!

    (not trying to beat a dead horse, but I need to follow up on this LOGO contest and why Canadians are being excluded)

    Does you cable providers “local” NBC coverage of American Cities…i.e. Toronto does air buffalo…Vancouver DOES air some Seattle…etc.

    If yes, please email me @ cinemazero225 at aol.com
    with your cable provider, province/market you live and the local US station(s) you get…

    Thanks

  • LI Phil | December 12, 2008 at 12:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”305226″]Hey Canadians!!

    (not trying to beat a dead horse, but I need to follow up on this LOGO contest and why Canadians are being excluded)

    Does you cable providers “local” NBC coverage of American Cities…i.e. Toronto does air buffalo…Vancouver DOES air some Seattle…etc.

    If yes, please email me @ cinemazero225 at aol.com
    with your cable provider, province/market you live and the local US station(s) you get…

    Thanks[/quote]

    i’d call you a sadistic, hippophilic necrophile, but that would be this

  • Patrick | December 12, 2008 at 12:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”305132″][quote comment=”305130″]Hockey players have been wearing wrist bands for years. I actually recall Wayne Gretzky wearing them. Perhaps it was to cover his wrists under those long cuffed gloves we wore.[/quote]

    Wrist bands for hockey serve two purposes.

    1) Intended for the actual use (wiping sweat off your face).

    2) You can buy some wristbands with an added plastic insert for added protection from slashing between your elbow/forearm pads and your gloves. Seeing lots of players like to wear shorter gloves for better wrist movement, it leaves an unprotected space that seems like it’s a magnet for sticks and pucks to hit. I used to wear these years ago but had to throw them out because they got so sweat socked no amount of washing would help. Since I threw them out, never got around to buying new ones because I bought elbow pads that have forearm protection that covers that area.

    However, the armband shown in the pic looks like a regular wristband intended for only use #1. Wiping sweat off…[/quote]

    Yep, slash guards. I wear short gloves, and the slash guard covers that vulnerable area between the end of the elbow pads to the end of the glove. I wouldn’t play without them.

  • possum | December 12, 2008 at 12:45 pm |

    Aside from the new RBK equipment pooling sweat, Chara is known to sweat profusely even going so far as to change jerseys between periods on occasion.

  • MPowers1634 | December 12, 2008 at 12:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”305228″][quote comment=”305132″][quote comment=”305130″]Hockey players have been wearing wrist bands for years. I actually recall Wayne Gretzky wearing them. Perhaps it was to cover his wrists under those long cuffed gloves we wore.[/quote]

    Wrist bands for hockey serve two purposes.

    1) Intended for the actual use (wiping sweat off your face).

    2) You can buy some wristbands with an added plastic insert for added protection from slashing between your elbow/forearm pads and your gloves. Seeing lots of players like to wear shorter gloves for better wrist movement, it leaves an unprotected space that seems like it’s a magnet for sticks and pucks to hit. I used to wear these years ago but had to throw them out because they got so sweat socked no amount of washing would help. Since I threw them out, never got around to buying new ones because I bought elbow pads that have forearm protection that covers that area.

    However, the armband shown in the pic looks like a regular wristband intended for only use #1. Wiping sweat off…[/quote]

    Yep, slash guards. I wear short gloves, and the slash guard covers that vulnerable area between the end of the elbow pads to the end of the glove. I wouldn’t play without them.[/quote]

    Why don’t you guys wear pads similar to these lax elbow guards? Or do you?

    http://www.ubidlax.c...

  • concealed78 | December 12, 2008 at 12:49 pm |

    I don’t agree with Paul on the roads at all. That single-color sharpness is exactly what baseball needs: restraint. Too many roads are ruined and cluttered up with too many trim colors (especially Detroit). Plus it’s old school and traditional. The altnernate cap looks very minor leagueish and doesn’t belong on a Major League field. Tho I’m not too crazy about the red alternate either.

  • Paul Lukas | December 12, 2008 at 12:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”305213″]I also know a bunch of Sox fans will will buy these hats up like crazy. It will be a HUGE seller.[/quote]

    I’m always puzzled when I see comments like this. OK, maybe the cap will sell, maybe it won’t — and so what? The cap’s sales potential has exactly ZERO relevance as to whether it’s a good Red Sox cap. If the Sox came out with a cap that said, “Yuck the Fankees,” I bet everyone would buy that too, but that wouldn’t mean it would be a good thing for them to wear on the field.

    I’m not saying I don’t like the new alt cap; I’m just saying that commenting on a uni element’s sales potential is neither here nor there in terms of assessing the success of the design.

  • joe | December 12, 2008 at 12:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”305210″][quote comment=”305187″]The claim Reebok makes–“Since the NBC broadcast of the NHL Winter Classic is only available to U.S. viewers”–is total BS. I live in New Brunswick and my cable system gets two different NBC affiliates. Last year’s Winter Classic (TM) (R) (C) (TM) (TM) (TM) (R) was available on NBC as well as CBC. Unless they’re going to start blacking-out NBC games up here, which they’ve never done before, that’s a total lie.

    The real reason is, of course, hockey ratings in the US suck, so they’re using a gimmick to boost them. Ratings don’t suck (as much) in Canada, so no gimmick. But they’d never admit that.[/quote]

    I made this very claim yesterday, and I am still awaiting a response from Reebok on how they obtained information about NBC’s broadcasting signals.

    I’m guessing Reebok’s marketing team is coming up with a way to tell me that they did “extensive research” on the subject, and were “unaware of the potential signals” being broadcast in Canada.[/quote]
    its not secret that the signals know no borders, that does not change the fact that it is the US broadcast. people along the border(most of the canadien population) will be able to see the NBC telecast. but in canada the official broadcast will be, I assume, CBC. I can pick up TV signals from Gary indiana while west of chicago, that does not mean its a chicago broadcast.

  • Patrick | December 12, 2008 at 12:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”305230″][quote comment=”305228″][quote comment=”305132″][quote comment=”305130″]Hockey players have been wearing wrist bands for years. I actually recall Wayne Gretzky wearing them. Perhaps it was to cover his wrists under those long cuffed gloves we wore.[/quote]

    Wrist bands for hockey serve two purposes.

    1) Intended for the actual use (wiping sweat off your face).

    2) You can buy some wristbands with an added plastic insert for added protection from slashing between your elbow/forearm pads and your gloves. Seeing lots of players like to wear shorter gloves for better wrist movement, it leaves an unprotected space that seems like it’s a magnet for sticks and pucks to hit. I used to wear these years ago but had to throw them out because they got so sweat socked no amount of washing would help. Since I threw them out, never got around to buying new ones because I bought elbow pads that have forearm protection that covers that area.

    However, the armband shown in the pic looks like a regular wristband intended for only use #1. Wiping sweat off…[/quote]

    Yep, slash guards. I wear short gloves, and the slash guard covers that vulnerable area between the end of the elbow pads to the end of the glove. I wouldn’t play without them.[/quote]

    Why don’t you guys wear pads similar to these lax elbow guards? Or do you?

    http://www.ubidlax.c...

    Hockey elbow pads are similar…

    http://us.st12.yimg....

  • Patrick | December 12, 2008 at 12:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”305231″]I don’t agree with Paul on the roads at all. That single-color sharpness is exactly what baseball needs: restraint. Too many roads are ruined and cluttered up with too many trim colors (especially Detroit). Plus it’s old school and traditional. The altnernate cap looks very minor leagueish and doesn’t belong on a Major League field. Tho I’m not too crazy about the red alternate either.[/quote]

    Agreed on all points.

    Also, I think it’s time the Sox dropped the red undershirts altogether and went back to navy. It would especially balance out the home uni’s better.

  • Teebz | December 12, 2008 at 12:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”305221″]Teebz (pt 2):

    In Canada, are US networks regularly aired up there? Or do you need a satelite?

    When Ever Im in Toronto, I usually get at least one or two buffalo stations pending the cable provider…but I would think that what Reebok is trying to coney in their message to me…was that only US Broadcasts would carry the Winter Classic, but you are saying that Canada gets regular NBC airings…so, either Reebok is very poor at researching who actually “sees” the game, or….you are using former soviet satellites to steal American tv signals that are beaming anti-canadian subliminal messages to us…..[/quote]

    We didn’t hijack any Red Army satellites or Cold War satellites that I know of. But I could be wrong. ;o)

    As for a local NBC station, I get the feed from Minneapolis through Shaw Cable, and Shaw’s cable packages offer “[a]ll major Canadian and U.S. networks” as part of their lowest-priced package.

    And listening to Doc Emrick call the game is always a pleasure since Canadians rarely get the opportunity to hear him. Since the game will be nationally-televised on every NBC affiliate, Reebok dropped the ball big-time.

  • Teebz | December 12, 2008 at 1:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”305233″]
    its not secret that the signals know no borders, that does not change the fact that it is the US broadcast. people along the border(most of the canadien population) will be able to see the NBC telecast. but in canada the official broadcast will be, I assume, CBC. I can pick up TV signals from Gary indiana while west of chicago, that does not mean its a chicago broadcast.[/quote]

    Um, I have cable and satellite. This isn’t some signal being picked up by my TV through the air.

    All cable companies and satellite companies broadcast the signals in Canada. If you live in Yellowknife, you get NBC if you have a cable or satellite hookup. If you live in Alaska, you get NBC if you have a cable of satellite hookup.

    It’s not a Reebok/NBC partnership. It’s a Reebok/NHL partnership.

  • LI Phil | December 12, 2008 at 1:02 pm |

    hey teebz…

    is grapes doing the new years game on NBC (or is he just for the canadian audience)?

  • Teebz | December 12, 2008 at 1:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”305238″]hey teebz…

    is grapes doing the new years game on NBC (or is he just for the canadian audience)?[/quote]

    He’s definitely doing Coach’s Corner on HNIC during the first period, but I haven’t heard anything about him joining NBC for the second period. I could see him doing that, though.

    Is NBC going to have Pierre McGuire back? I feel for American fans if that’s the case.

  • Johnny F. | December 12, 2008 at 1:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”305232″][quote comment=”305213″]I also know a bunch of Sox fans will will buy these hats up like crazy. It will be a HUGE seller.[/quote]

    I’m always puzzled when I see comments like this. OK, maybe the cap will sell, maybe it won’t — and so what? The cap’s sales potential has exactly ZERO relevance as to whether it’s a good Red Sox cap. If the Sox came out with a cap that said, “Yuck the Fankees,” I bet everyone would buy that too, but that wouldn’t mean it would be a good thing for them to wear on the field.

    I’m not saying I don’t like the new alt cap; I’m just saying that commenting on a uni element’s sales potential is neither here nor there in terms of assessing the success of the design.[/quote]

    Fair points, as usual, Paul. But to be clear, I wasn’t stating that the potential sales success of the new cap will mean it was a successful design. I was just stating that they would sell well (which I think they will). Having said that, I think the 2-sock cap (and the sleeve patch for that matter) is a direct response to that logo’s popularity amongst Sox fans.

  • Jim MI | December 12, 2008 at 1:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”305239″][quote comment=”305238″]hey teebz…

    is grapes doing the new years game on NBC (or is he just for the canadian audience)?[/quote]

    He’s definitely doing Coach’s Corner on HNIC during the first period, but I haven’t heard anything about him joining NBC for the second period. I could see him doing that, though.

    Is NBC going to have Pierre McGuire back? I feel for American fans if that’s the case.[/quote]

    Pierre McGuire has to be one of the most annoying hockey analyists out there. If I have to hear one more story that starts with “If I coached in the NHL…” I am going to lose it.

    Pierre, you coached for three years, ONE year as a head coach with a winning percentage less than .400 you shouldn’t be giving coaching advice to anybody. Shut your yapper!

  • The Fonz | December 12, 2008 at 1:15 pm |

    without a doubt the WORST alternates in MLB history are:
    1 – the Mets All black (both home and way)
    2 – the Mets snow white jersey when worn with two colored cap

    and dont get me started on when the mets have those occasions of pinstripes and two colored cap!!

    How can the mets improve?
    Home: Pinstripes blue caps
    Away: Grey blue caps
    Alt: White Blue caps

    Second worst alternates in my opinion….
    Oakland A’s Black jersey with black caps.

    How they can improve?
    Home: White with green/yellow brim cap
    Away: Road with Green cap
    Alt: Green jersey with green cap

    Just my two cents…you guys don’t have to agree.

  • Teebz | December 12, 2008 at 1:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”305241″]
    Pierre McGuire has to be one of the most annoying hockey analyists out there. If I have to hear one more story that starts with “If I coached in the NHL…” I am going to lose it.

    Pierre, you coached for three years, ONE year as a head coach with a winning percentage less than .400 you shouldn’t be giving coaching advice to anybody. Shut your yapper![/quote]

    Totally agree. And I love how he always talks about the Pittsburgh Penguins during the early 1990s like he was the guy who put the team together.

    Hey, Pierre… reality check time. You were an assistant coach and a scout! You had nothing to do with building that team!!!

  • Namhob | December 12, 2008 at 1:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”305232″][quote comment=”305213″]I also know a bunch of Sox fans will will buy these hats up like crazy. It will be a HUGE seller.[/quote]

    I’m always puzzled when I see comments like this. OK, maybe the cap will sell, maybe it won’t — and so what? The cap’s sales potential has exactly ZERO relevance as to whether it’s a good Red Sox cap. If the Sox came out with a cap that said, “Yuck the Fankees,” I bet everyone would buy that too, but that wouldn’t mean it would be a good thing for them to wear on the field.

    I’m not saying I don’t like the new alt cap; I’m just saying that commenting on a uni element’s sales potential is neither here nor there in terms of assessing the success of the design.[/quote]
    I don’t know about the hat, but I’ve got the t-shirt. http://cache.spreads...

  • Eddie | December 12, 2008 at 1:58 pm |

    What I don’t get is that the circle logo for the red sox, boston was in navy, and now is in red.
    And the boston on the road jersey’s went from red to navy.

  • Husul | December 12, 2008 at 2:00 pm |

    “I’ve never seen a hockey player wearing a wristband,” says Kevin Zdancewicz. Me neither.

    wristbands and batting gloves have been goalie staples for decades.

    wristbands stop your gloves from filling up with water/sweat…they are usually changed 2x a period.

  • scott | December 12, 2008 at 2:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”305231″]I don’t agree with Paul on the roads at all. That single-color sharpness is exactly what baseball needs: restraint. Too many roads are ruined and cluttered up with too many trim colors (especially Detroit). Plus it’s old school and traditional. The altnernate cap looks very minor leagueish and doesn’t belong on a Major League field. Tho I’m not too crazy about the red alternate either.[/quote]

    I’ve never heard the Tigers’ road jersey described as being cluttered and with too many trim colors. Huh?

  • Husul | December 12, 2008 at 2:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”305241″][quote comment=”305239″][quote comment=”305238″]hey teebz…

    is grapes doing the new years game on NBC (or is he just for the canadian audience)?[/quote]

    He’s definitely doing Coach’s Corner on HNIC during the first period, but I haven’t heard anything about him joining NBC for the second period. I could see him doing that, though.

    Is NBC going to have Pierre McGuire back? I feel for American fans if that’s the case.[/quote]

    Pierre McGuire has to be one of the most annoying hockey analyists out there. If I have to hear one more story that starts with “If I coached in the NHL…” I am going to lose it.

    Pierre, you coached for three years, ONE year as a head coach with a winning percentage less than .400 you shouldn’t be giving coaching advice to anybody. Shut your yapper![/quote]

    Pierre is probably the best hockey mind in the media, he might get annoying but you will learn something every game (and i dont mean learn new stats, I mean Really learn something about hockey)

  • Jonee | December 12, 2008 at 2:34 pm |

    I was actually at that throwback Padres game and I remember thinking how cool those Buckner-era Red Sox road jerseys were. It’s because they’re so simple. It seems like you can’t design a new jersey nowadays without all sorts of piping, beveling, outlining, shadowing, etc. I hate all that stuff because it screams, “designed on a computer.” Kudos to the Sox for something that actually looks organic. It’s funny because that road alternate couldn’t be more of an antithesis to that horrible red jersey.

  • Teebz | December 12, 2008 at 2:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”305248″]
    Pierre is probably the best hockey mind in the media, he might get annoying but you will learn something every game (and i dont mean learn new stats, I mean Really learn something about hockey)[/quote]

    You’re kidding, right? That’s the most hilarious thing I’ve ever heard anyone say.

    Pierre McGuire should call himself Mr. Obvious. He never brings any insight to a game. He only states the obvious.

    Why do you think they paired him with Mike Milbury on NBC? Milbury couldn’t see the obvious if it cold-cocked him.\

    Having those two work with Doc Emrick is an insult to the talent that Emrick has. You want a guy who knows hockey? Let Emrick babble for about 20 minutes.

  • Ricko | December 12, 2008 at 2:59 pm |

    “Sox ownership reportedly got the idea for this design after a throwback game in 2007”

    Really? Current Sox ownership has never seen film or photos of Ted Williams playing on the road?

  • Stuby | December 12, 2008 at 3:09 pm |

    Sportscenter just showed a horrifying highlight. The team that Francisco Liriano was pitching for in the Dominican League was wearing desert camo jerseys with red and white numbers (a la the Reds) and Sponsor NOB (SNOB?), I think. It was “La Parra” in HUGE lettering. Here’s a link to the team website:

    http://www.escogido....

  • chance | December 12, 2008 at 3:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”305253″]”Sox ownership reportedly got the idea for this design after a throwback game in 2007″

    Really? Current Sox ownership has never seen film or photos of Ted Williams playing on the road?[/quote]
    This one I can actually understand – huge difference between looking at old pictures and seeing something in person.

  • JTH | December 12, 2008 at 3:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”305224″]If Nike agreed to pay for the Higgins Middle School roof repair in exchange for its swoosh logo painted on it, McGeney said he would have no objections.[/quote]
    The portion that you pasted here sounds perfectly reasonable to me. However, when you put it in the context of the full quote, his analogy falls completely flat:
    [quote]On the contrary, member David McGeney said, students are subjected to hundreds of advertisements daily already. With fewer dollars to go around, he welcomed the outside donation.

    If Nike agreed to pay for the Higgins Middle School roof repair in exchange for its swoosh logo painted on it, McGeney said he would have no objections.

    “Anything that helps us with our mission to provide a good education and safety for our schools, I’m all for it,” he said.[/quote]
    The “outside donation” offered was catering services for a banquet. In what way does that help to “provide a good education and safety for [their] schools”?

  • Stephen | December 12, 2008 at 3:26 pm |

    “Pierre is probably the best hockey mind in the media, he might get annoying but you will learn something every game”

    Agreed. He’s annoying sometimes, but tactically he’s very good.

    Of course, that offends the significant portion of hockey fans who think that hockey tactics shouldn’t be more complicated than “dump it in the corner, go and chase it”, but McGwire at least does a competent job of explaining the various types of system-based hockey that every modern NHL coach uses.

    And, yeah, to figure out which Canadian city gets which US channel on their cable package, basically just draw a line due south and figure out which major market you hit first. So when I was at Queen’s, we got Syracuse, but in Toronto it’s Buffalo. There’s some weird ones, though; I recall reading that one of Edmonton’s feeds was from Boston, but that might have been a one-off.

    Nevertheless, these are all part of our basic cable package. Makes it much easier on things come Olympic time – watch all the live events on CBC, then the taped highlights masquerading as live on NBC.

  • Ricko | December 12, 2008 at 3:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”305255″][quote comment=”305253″]”Sox ownership reportedly got the idea for this design after a throwback game in 2007″

    Really? Current Sox ownership has never seen film or photos of Ted Williams playing on the road?[/quote]
    This one I can actually understand – huge difference between looking at old pictures and seeing something in person.[/quote]

    I meant had they never NOTICED the difference between then and now? Or even LOOKED for it, just out of curiosity?

    But your point is exceedingly well-taken. I think of the hours I’ve spend preparing materials to demonstrate things to imagination-impaired clients.

  • Mike Engle | December 12, 2008 at 3:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”305257″]”Pierre is probably the best hockey mind in the media, he might get annoying but you will learn something every game”

    Agreed. He’s annoying sometimes, but tactically he’s very good.

    Of course, that offends the significant portion of hockey fans who think that hockey tactics shouldn’t be more complicated than “dump it in the corner, go and chase it”, but McGwire at least does a competent job of explaining the various types of system-based hockey that every modern NHL coach uses.

    And, yeah, to figure out which Canadian city gets which US channel on their cable package, basically just draw a line due south and figure out which major market you hit first. So when I was at Queen’s, we got Syracuse, but in Toronto it’s Buffalo. There’s some weird ones, though; I recall reading that one of Edmonton’s feeds was from Boston, but that might have been a one-off.

    Nevertheless, these are all part of our basic cable package. Makes it much easier on things come Olympic time – watch all the live events on CBC, then the taped highlights masquerading as live on NBC.[/quote]
    I’m at McGill (in Montreal). If I had an antenna on my TV, I’d get the Plattsburgh feeds, and, as a result, its ABC, NBC, and PBS.

  • Talon Lardner | December 12, 2008 at 3:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”305249″]I was actually at that throwback Padres game and I remember thinking how cool those Buckner-era Red Sox road jerseys were. It’s because they’re so simple. It seems like you can’t design a new jersey nowadays without all sorts of piping, beveling, outlining, shadowing, etc. I hate all that stuff because it screams, “designed on a computer.” Kudos to the Sox for something that actually looks organic. It’s funny because that road alternate couldn’t be more of an antithesis to that horrible red jersey.[/quote]

    Simple isn’t always better, I find. Those new roads are quite nice after all, but a whole leauge full of simple, bland uniforms would be quite boring too. Variety is the spice of life for a reason. Both types of jerseys are equal in my eyes, in my opinion.

  • LarenR | December 12, 2008 at 3:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”305256″][quote comment=”305224″]If Nike agreed to pay for the Higgins Middle School roof repair in exchange for its swoosh logo painted on it, McGeney said he would have no objections.[/quote]
    The portion that you pasted here sounds perfectly reasonable to me. However, when you put it in the context of the full quote, his analogy falls completely flat:
    [quote]On the contrary, member David McGeney said, students are subjected to hundreds of advertisements daily already. With fewer dollars to go around, he welcomed the outside donation.

    If Nike agreed to pay for the Higgins Middle School roof repair in exchange for its swoosh logo painted on it, McGeney said he would have no objections.

    “Anything that helps us with our mission to provide a good education and safety for our schools, I’m all for it,” he said.[/quote]
    The “outside donation” offered was catering services for a banquet. In what way does that help to “provide a good education and safety for [their] schools”?[/quote]
    It doesn’t. Which is why the school rejected the offer: “Dunne understood that the schools were ‘strapped for cash in a million different ways,’ but disliked that only one team benefited…”

  • chance | December 12, 2008 at 3:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”305258″][quote comment=”305255″][quote comment=”305253″]”Sox ownership reportedly got the idea for this design after a throwback game in 2007″

    Really? Current Sox ownership has never seen film or photos of Ted Williams playing on the road?[/quote]
    This one I can actually understand – huge difference between looking at old pictures and seeing something in person.[/quote]

    I meant had they never NOTICED the difference between then and now? Or even LOOKED for it, just out of curiosity?

    But your point is exceedingly well-taken. I think of the hours I’ve spend preparing materials to demonstrate things to imagination-impaired clients.[/quote]
    Yeah, it shouldn’t be much of a surprise that some executives lack a sense of imagination.

    No doubt that they might have noticed the differences when looking at old pictures, but they mightn’t have considered altering the uniforms until they saw the throwbacks on the field.

  • ee | December 12, 2008 at 3:34 pm |

    photo op of new syracuse head football coach with football jersey and his name

    isn’t it strange to use the white away jersey and not the blue home jersey? and why do they have the #1 instead of the #78 he wore as a player… when he played AT SYRACUSE in the mid1980’s

    http://blog.syracuse...

  • LI Phil | December 12, 2008 at 3:41 pm |

    [quote]a whole leauge full of simple, bland uniforms would be quite boring too.[/quote]

    well, it wouldn’t give us much to talk about, and im not sure your premise is that boring unis=boring games…it’s likely not, so i won’t assume nor put words into your mouth…but…

    i, for one, love the uni and all its varied and sundry forms, but i watch the game for the GAME…give me a good game in so-called “boring uniforms” over a shitty one in beauties … though obviously, we’d all like a good game in great unis

  • Harv Antle | December 12, 2008 at 3:42 pm |

    As far as sleeves for the Red Sox go, shouldn’t they stay red? I thought uni protocol has the socks, belt, and sleeves match (same color).

  • chance | December 12, 2008 at 3:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”305265″]As far as sleeves for the Red Sox go, shouldn’t they stay red? I thought uni protocol has the socks, belt, and sleeves match (same color).[/quote]
    Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

    The Red Sox wore blue undershirts and red socks for decades.

  • Wade Harder | December 12, 2008 at 3:45 pm |

    Just found this on a message board. New helmet for Mississippi State.
    http://i83.photobuck...
    I’m not sure if this is a prototype or if it will actually make it on the field next year. I’m not a big fan of the maroon helmet and facemask, but this big change is a modification of the current logo. The font of M has changed and the bottom of the “State” banner disappeared. Plus, I don’t think the overall logo reads well.

    Old Helmet
    http://www.prosports...

  • Ian | December 12, 2008 at 4:01 pm |

    Cubs.com has absolutely no mention of the NHL Winter Classic. I wonder who’s behind that decision, whether its the Cubs or MLB.

    [quote comment=”305174″]Anyone wonder what Wrigley Feild looks like in the Winter?

    http://www.nhl.com/i...

  • C.N. | December 12, 2008 at 4:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”305267″]Just found this on a message board. New helmet for Mississippi State.
    http://i83.photobuck...
    I’m not sure if this is a prototype or if it will actually make it on the field next year. I’m not a big fan of the maroon helmet and facemask, but this big change is a modification of the current logo. The font of M has changed and the bottom of the “State” banner disappeared. Plus, I don’t think the overall logo reads well.

    Old Helmet
    http://www.prosports...

    I hate it.

  • Ian | December 12, 2008 at 4:05 pm |

    Although Canadian markets get US networks, those viewers are not included in any ratings, and therefore not accounted when advertisers buy time on those stations. It is kinda like the Yankee fan in California watching local NY commercials on YES on DirecTV. Completely irrelevant to them.

    [quote comment=”305187″]The claim Reebok makes–“Since the NBC broadcast of the NHL Winter Classic is only available to U.S. viewers”–is total BS. I live in New Brunswick and my cable system gets two different NBC affiliates. Last year’s Winter Classic (TM) (R) (C) (TM) (TM) (TM) (R) was available on NBC as well as CBC. Unless they’re going to start blacking-out NBC games up here, which they’ve never done before, that’s a total lie.

    The real reason is, of course, hockey ratings in the US suck, so they’re using a gimmick to boost them. Ratings don’t suck (as much) in Canada, so no gimmick. But they’d never admit that.[/quote]

  • Mike Engle | December 12, 2008 at 4:05 pm |

    Somebody on SI.com is doing a little Uni Watching.

  • Ricko | December 12, 2008 at 4:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”305266″][quote comment=”305265″]As far as sleeves for the Red Sox go, shouldn’t they stay red? I thought uni protocol has the socks, belt, and sleeves match (same color).[/quote]
    Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

    The Red Sox wore blue undershirts and red socks for decades.[/quote]

    Until recently, the Red Sox had worn navy sleeves since before WWII (or earlier), except for a couple seasons in the early 70s.

  • Ian | December 12, 2008 at 4:09 pm |

    I’ve been saying it for years.

    It is time for the Yankees to finally drop their 1970s road unis. They are not classic, like the home pinstripes. It is time to drop the white outline on the letters and the blue piping on the edge of the sleeves. That does NOT say tradition.

  • joe | December 12, 2008 at 4:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”305269″]Cubs.com has absolutely no mention of the NHL Winter Classic. I wonder who’s behind that decision, whether its the Cubs or MLB.

    [quote comment=”305174″]Anyone wonder what Wrigley Feild looks like in the Winter?

    http://www.nhl.com/i...

    maybe because its not the cubs doing it? I also didn’t see Van Halen things on the blackhawks website when they played the UC last year.

  • chance | December 12, 2008 at 4:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”305275″]I’ve been saying it for years.

    It is time for the Yankees to finally drop their 1970s road unis. They are not classic, like the home pinstripes. It is time to drop the white outline on the letters and the blue piping on the edge of the sleeves. That does NOT say tradition.[/quote]

    I could not agree more. Time to ditch the 1970s “improvements.”

  • Harv Antle | December 12, 2008 at 4:13 pm |

    I know some do and some don’t. However, as a guideline when putting a uni together I am saying that’s a rule of thumb for the sleeves, belt, and socks to be the same color.

  • Trav | December 12, 2008 at 4:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”305266″][quote comment=”305265″]As far as sleeves for the Red Sox go, shouldn’t they stay red? I thought uni protocol has the socks, belt, and sleeves match (same color).[/quote]
    Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

    The Red Sox wore blue undershirts and red socks for decades.[/quote]

    And they currently wear a blue belt with red sox/sleeves

  • Mike | December 12, 2008 at 4:37 pm |

    [quote comment=\”305237\”][quote comment=\”305233\”]
    its not secret that the signals know no borders, that does not change the fact that it is the US broadcast. people along the border(most of the canadien population) will be able to see the NBC telecast. but in canada the official broadcast will be, I assume, CBC. I can pick up TV signals from Gary indiana while west of chicago, that does not mean its a chicago broadcast.[/quote]

    Um, I have cable and satellite. This isn\’t some signal being picked up by my TV through the air.

    All cable companies and satellite companies broadcast the signals in Canada. If you live in Yellowknife, you get NBC if you have a cable or satellite hookup. If you live in Alaska, you get NBC if you have a cable of satellite hookup.

    It\’s not a Reebok/NBC partnership. It\’s a Reebok/NHL partnership.[/quote]
    Um, no, in Alaska we get NBC as just a local station as well, even with just rabbit ears. We\’re part of America, damnit.

  • Ricko | December 12, 2008 at 4:42 pm |

    From the baseball rules in today’s Ticker:

    “Managers should insist that baseball pants be anchored just below the knee and that the slovenly custom of anchoring the pant leg around the ankle shall cease.”

    Good luck trying to enforce that one today. First of all, the manager would have to explain what “slovenly” means.

    Probably have to explain “anchoring”, too, come to think of it.

    —Ricko

  • JTH | December 12, 2008 at 4:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”305281″]From the baseball rules in today’s Ticker:

    “Managers should insist that baseball pants be anchored just below the knee and that the slovenly custom of anchoring the pant leg around the ankle shall cease.”

    Good luck trying to enforce that one today. First of all, the manager would have to explain what “slovenly” means.

    Probably have to explain “anchoring”, too, come to think of it.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Not to mention the old “do as I say, not as I do” factor:

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  • Ricko | December 12, 2008 at 4:54 pm |

    A hockey question.

    How much of the existence of the Holiday Classic can in some way be attributed to the film MYSTERY, ALASKA?

    Teebz? Mike Engle? Anybody?

  • Ricko | December 12, 2008 at 4:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”305283″]A hockey question.

    How much of the existence of the Holiday Classic can in some way be attributed to the film MYSTERY, ALASKA?

    Teebz? Mike Engle? Anybody?[/quote]

    Sorry, the Winter Classic

  • Teebz | December 12, 2008 at 4:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”305280″]
    Um, no, in Alaska we get NBC as just a local station as well, even with just rabbit ears. We’re part of America, damnit.[/quote]

    The point was that no matter how far away you are from Chicago, everyone in North America gets an NBC feed.

  • Ricko | December 12, 2008 at 5:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”305284″][quote comment=”305283″]A hockey question.

    How much of the existence of the Holiday Classic can in some way be attributed to the film MYSTERY, ALASKA?

    Teebz? Mike Engle? Anybody?[/quote]

    Sorry, the Winter Classic[/quote]

    I ask because the first time they skate out to face the Rangers, weaving that serpentine route down the hill to the rink, is one of the really great images/moments in sports movie history. Well, I think so, anyway.

  • Teebz | December 12, 2008 at 5:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”305283″]A hockey question.

    How much of the existence of the Holiday Classic can in some way be attributed to the film MYSTERY, ALASKA?

    Teebz? Mike Engle? Anybody?[/quote]

    None whatsoever if you ask the NHL.

    Personally, I think playing outdoors is a novel idea, but it needs to carry some sort of major rivalry yearly so that both fans and teams are pumped to play.

    Having Atlanta play St. Louis wouldn’t draw the same crowd as a Boston-Montreal game, for example. Would Atl-StL sell out? Of course. But the rivalries are something that should be promoted in order to bring the casual fan a sense of the history of the game. Detroit and Chicago hold the record of meeting the most times in the regular season, making this game fairly historic.

  • LI Phil | December 12, 2008 at 5:05 pm |

    this is hockey, ok? it’s not rocket surgery

  • Teebz | December 12, 2008 at 5:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”305288″]this is hockey, ok? it’s not rocket surgery[/quote]

    But the finer points of the game should not be overlooked, Phil. It’s the details that make the game so beautiful to watch.

    Like any artform, it takes an appreciation to fully grasp its most minute beauty. ;o)

  • chance | December 12, 2008 at 5:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”305284″][quote comment=”305283″]A hockey question.

    How much of the existence of the Holiday Classic can in some way be attributed to the film MYSTERY, ALASKA?

    Teebz? Mike Engle? Anybody?[/quote]

    Sorry, the Winter Classic[/quote]

    I’m not sure that it can. MYSTERY, ALASKA was a major flop. Maybe somebody in the NHL office saw it and thought an outdoor game looks like fun, but with less than $9M gross it’s doubtful.

  • Blake | December 12, 2008 at 5:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”305221″]Teebz (pt 2):

    In Canada, are US networks regularly aired up there? Or do you need a satelite?

    When Ever Im in Toronto, I usually get at least one or two buffalo stations pending the cable provider…but I would think that what Reebok is trying to coney in their message to me…was that only US Broadcasts would carry the Winter Classic, but you are saying that Canada gets regular NBC airings…so, either Reebok is very poor at researching who actually “sees” the game, or….you are using former soviet satellites to steal American tv signals that are beaming anti-canadian subliminal messages to us…..[/quote]
    Not teebz but as a Canadian myself I can say that 90% of the channels that anyone gets with any basic cable package in Canada are from American Networks (NBC, CBC, ABC, CNN, etc.)

  • Ricko | December 12, 2008 at 5:13 pm |

    Sure be fun to see the Stars and the Wild in the new Twins ballpark someday, though.
    Or Canucks here. Not a lotta affection between those two teams.

    Bruins-Rangers, either at Fenway or new Pats stadium?
    Or new Yankee Stadium?

    You’re right, though. Would be petty stupid to fly Phoenix and Tampa Bay to, where, Saskatoon for a game.

  • Ricko | December 12, 2008 at 5:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”305290″][quote comment=”305284″][quote comment=”305283″]A hockey question.

    How much of the existence of the Holiday Classic can in some way be attributed to the film MYSTERY, ALASKA?

    Teebz? Mike Engle? Anybody?[/quote]

    Sorry, the Winter Classic[/quote]

    I’m not sure that it can. MYSTERY, ALASKA was a major flop. Maybe somebody in the NHL office saw it and thought an outdoor game looks like fun, but with less than $9M gross it’s doubtful.[/quote]

    I didn’t mean because the movie proved it marketable or someting. Just whether it was known if someone in NHL ever admitted to seeing it and thinking, “Hmmm, I wonder…”

  • Patrick | December 12, 2008 at 5:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”305277″][quote comment=”305275″]I’ve been saying it for years.

    It is time for the Yankees to finally drop their 1970s road unis. They are not classic, like the home pinstripes. It is time to drop the white outline on the letters and the blue piping on the edge of the sleeves. That does NOT say tradition.[/quote]

    I could not agree more. Time to ditch the 1970s “improvements.”[/quote]

    They need to follow the lead of the Dodgers, who majorly upgraded their road grays by removing the white outline.

    That brings up a point – why do any teams have that white outline on the gray jersey? It just looks like the letters were cut off of a white sheet and they didn’t bother to trim them before applying. In other words it just looks cheap. Off the top of my head the Angels, Yankees and Nationals are guilty of this.

  • MPowers1634 | December 12, 2008 at 5:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”305289″][quote comment=”305288″]this is hockey, ok? it’s not rocket surgery[/quote]

    But the finer points of the game should not be overlooked, Phil. It’s the details that make the game so beautiful to watch.

    Like any artform, it takes an appreciation to fully grasp its most minute beauty. ;o)[/quote]

    I would much rather have a Star Wars convention than all of this puck talk.

  • chance | December 12, 2008 at 5:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”305293″][quote comment=”305290″][quote comment=”305284″][quote comment=”305283″]A hockey question.

    How much of the existence of the Holiday Classic can in some way be attributed to the film MYSTERY, ALASKA?

    Teebz? Mike Engle? Anybody?[/quote]

    Sorry, the Winter Classic[/quote]

    I’m not sure that it can. MYSTERY, ALASKA was a major flop. Maybe somebody in the NHL office saw it and thought an outdoor game looks like fun, but with less than $9M gross it’s doubtful.[/quote]

    I didn’t mean because the movie proved it marketable or someting. Just whether it was known if someone in NHL ever admitted to seeing it and thinking, “Hmmm, I wonder…”[/quote]
    Sure is a possibility.

  • Ricko | December 12, 2008 at 5:25 pm |

    As a one-time, once-a-year thing, the Winter Classic is a stroke of marketing genius. As long as they get the weather they want, of course. Last year was…perfect, including the throwbacks. I can’t tell you the last time I’d watched an entire hockey game prior to New Year’s Day. But that Pens-Sabres game…watched the whole thing, starting with pregame.

    And, of course, they did get a phenomenal break with the snow and all. Was just plain great sports TV.

    Be honest, now. As an “event” the NHL has never had–nationally speaking in the U.S.–anything like it. Hope it continues. It’s a good thing.

  • Adrian | December 12, 2008 at 5:26 pm |

    So anyone know why a Dr. Zaeus and another “Planet of the Ape” ape is hanging out on the right side of this photo?

    http://sportsillustr...

    “Get your dirty paws of my Heisman!”

  • Teebz | December 12, 2008 at 5:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”305296″][quote comment=”305289″][quote comment=”305288″]this is hockey, ok? it’s not rocket surgery[/quote]

    But the finer points of the game should not be overlooked, Phil. It’s the details that make the game so beautiful to watch.

    Like any artform, it takes an appreciation to fully grasp its most minute beauty. ;o)[/quote]

    I would much rather have a Star Wars convention than all of this puck talk.[/quote]

    That’s only so you can get more use out of your Wookie costume. LOL

  • Mike Engle | December 12, 2008 at 5:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”305293″][quote comment=”305290″][quote comment=”305284″][quote comment=”305283″]A hockey question.

    How much of the existence of the Holiday Classic can in some way be attributed to the film MYSTERY, ALASKA?

    Teebz? Mike Engle? Anybody?[/quote]

    Sorry, the Winter Classic[/quote]

    I’m not sure that it can. MYSTERY, ALASKA was a major flop. Maybe somebody in the NHL office saw it and thought an outdoor game looks like fun, but with less than $9M gross it’s doubtful.[/quote]

    I didn’t mean because the movie proved it marketable or someting. Just whether it was known if someone in NHL ever admitted to seeing it and thinking, “Hmmm, I wonder…”[/quote]
    All kidding aside, I thought the Pittsburgh/Buffalo game was created due to the success of a Montreal/Edmonton outdoor double-header (an old-timer’s game, for which Mark Messier needed special permission from the Rangers to suit up, followed by a regular season game).

  • Blake | December 12, 2008 at 5:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”305283″]A hockey question.

    How much of the existence of the Holiday Classic can in some way be attributed to the film MYSTERY, ALASKA?

    Teebz? Mike Engle? Anybody?[/quote]
    Uh, zero. Believe it or not, hockey was played on frozen ponds well before they decided to construct buildings to specifically house a sheet of ice to play hockey on. Even today, children in any cold-weather climate are bound to throw on a pair of skates and go skating on a lake, a river or a homemade rink. My father made a neighborhodd ice hockey rink in my backyard all my life. And my great uncle did it for his children, neices and nephews, This is the tradition we in the hockey focused parts of the world live with and it is that tradition which inspired not just the Winter Classic, but the movie Mystery, Alaska.

  • Mike Engle | December 12, 2008 at 5:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”305294″][quote comment=”305277″][quote comment=”305275″]I’ve been saying it for years.

    It is time for the Yankees to finally drop their 1970s road unis. They are not classic, like the home pinstripes. It is time to drop the white outline on the letters and the blue piping on the edge of the sleeves. That does NOT say tradition.[/quote]

    I could not agree more. Time to ditch the 1970s “improvements.”[/quote]

    They need to follow the lead of the Dodgers, who majorly upgraded their road grays by removing the white outline.

    That brings up a point – why do any teams have that white outline on the gray jersey? It just looks like the letters were cut off of a white sheet and they didn’t bother to trim them before applying. In other words it just looks cheap. Off the top of my head the Angels, Yankees and Nationals are guilty of this.[/quote]
    Add Detroit to that total.

  • Ricko | December 12, 2008 at 5:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”305296″][quote comment=”305289″][quote comment=”305288″]this is hockey, ok? it’s not rocket surgery[/quote]

    But the finer points of the game should not be overlooked, Phil. It’s the details that make the game so beautiful to watch.

    Like any artform, it takes an appreciation to fully grasp its most minute beauty. ;o)[/quote]

    I would much rather have a Star Wars convention than all of this puck talk.[/quote]

    Settle down there, Mattakin. Weren’t nobody here but guys from the hockey wing so I asked a question I’d been thinking about.

  • Blake | December 12, 2008 at 5:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”305286″][quote comment=”305284″][quote comment=”305283″]A hockey question.

    How much of the existence of the Holiday Classic can in some way be attributed to the film MYSTERY, ALASKA?

    Teebz? Mike Engle? Anybody?[/quote]

    Sorry, the Winter Classic[/quote]

    I ask because the first time they skate out to face the Rangers, weaving that serpentine route down the hill to the rink, is one of the really great images/moments in sports movie history. Well, I think so, anyway.[/quote]
    Go pick up the children’s book The Hockey Sweater and you’ll see the same time of path which players skate down to the rink. The book was published in 1979 and although I cannot say whether these sorts of paths actually existed in Quebec (scene of book) it is a possibility.

  • The Hemogoblin | December 12, 2008 at 5:39 pm |

    *sigh* I hate finals.

    What have I missed, Phil?

    (in a nutshell)

  • LI Phil | December 12, 2008 at 5:39 pm |

    [quote]Believe it or not, hockey was played on frozen ponds well before they decided to construct buildings to specifically house a sheet of ice to play hockey on.[/quote]

    old time hockey?

  • Blake | December 12, 2008 at 5:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”305296″][quote comment=”305289″][quote comment=”305288″]this is hockey, ok? it’s not rocket surgery[/quote]

    But the finer points of the game should not be overlooked, Phil. It’s the details that make the game so beautiful to watch.

    Like any artform, it takes an appreciation to fully grasp its most minute beauty. ;o)[/quote]

    I would much rather have a Star Wars convention than all of this puck talk.[/quote]
    I’ve never understood this type of hostility towards hockey from (most american) detractors. I mean I am a hockey fan first and foremost and pay very little attention to any other sport but I still respect them and their wonderful idiosyncrasies. I’ll watch an entire season of hockey but I’ll also watch the superbowl, world series, world cup, tour de france, etc. not only because sport is exciting but each sport offers something unique which you can enjoy. I’m just saying, give hockey a chance. For that matter, give cricket a chance or jai alai a chance. Ask some questions and learn some of the rules and history and see if you can’t discover something.

  • Teebz | December 12, 2008 at 5:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”305301″]
    All kidding aside, I thought the Pittsburgh/Buffalo game was created due to the success of a Montreal/Edmonton outdoor double-header (an old-timer’s game, for which Mark Messier needed special permission from the Rangers to suit up, followed by a regular season game).[/quote]

    Great point, Mike. That game is solid, and I’m glad I have the CBC broadcast on DVD. They originally did that game to pit two of the most successful franchises in recent history against one another. Every single player in the game had won a Stanley Cup except two. Can anyone name them?

    The only problem with that game?

    The gametime temperature was -28 C!

  • LI Phil | December 12, 2008 at 5:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”305306″]*sigh* I hate finals.

    What have I missed, Phil?

    (in a nutshell)[/quote]

    dude, im not grading your tests…how do you think you did?

  • Teebz | December 12, 2008 at 5:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”305307″][quote]Believe it or not, hockey was played on frozen ponds well before they decided to construct buildings to specifically house a sheet of ice to play hockey on.[/quote]

    old time hockey?[/quote]

    That’s foil-on-the-knuckles talk right there. :o)

  • MPowers1634 | December 12, 2008 at 5:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”305273″]Somebody on SI.com is doing a little Uni Watching.[/quote]

    In two of the Mav’s pics, Mike Finley is wearing cool Jordans.

    With the Mavs, in PE XVI’s. Also notice the dude on the floor wearing clasic Jet Flights and Nash wearing Garnetts:

    http://i.cdn.turner....

    Finley, while with the SPurs wearing a fresh pair of the nicest jordans of all, the XI:

    http://i.a.cnn.net/s...

    BTW, I love both Bucs unis, new and old as well as the Mav’s P.Diddy designed alts:

    http://www.nba.com/m...

    I had totally forgotten about their silver alts until I saw them in the google search:

    http://espn.go.com/i...

  • Blake | December 12, 2008 at 5:43 pm |

    [quote comment=\”305307\”][quote]Believe it or not, hockey was played on frozen ponds well before they decided to construct buildings to specifically house a sheet of ice to play hockey on.[/quote]

    old time hockey?[/quote]
    aha, yes? Not sure what you mean but if you mean professional hockey I can\’t say if they played outdoors. But I can say that in the early years of professional hockey and the NHL there were junior hockey teams and minor hockey teams, as well as non-organized, which certainly played outdoors.

  • Mike | December 12, 2008 at 5:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”305292″]
    You’re right, though. Would be petty stupid to fly Phoenix and Tampa Bay to, where, Saskatoon for a game.[/quote]

    Why not just play it in Phoenix? The NHL has already played an outdoor game in Las Vegas in September of 1991. It was an exhibition, but still…it worked.

  • The Hemogoblin | December 12, 2008 at 5:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”305310″][quote comment=”305306″]*sigh* I hate finals.

    What have I missed, Phil?

    (in a nutshell)[/quote]

    dude, im not grading your tests…how do you think you did?[/quote]

    Well, Uni Watch’s 10th favorite college stud(ent) did fine.

    I meant “What did I miss in Uni Watch while I was busy ensuring my future?”

  • MPowers1634 | December 12, 2008 at 5:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”305304″][quote comment=”305296″][quote comment=”305289″][quote comment=”305288″]this is hockey, ok? it’s not rocket surgery[/quote]

    But the finer points of the game should not be overlooked, Phil. It’s the details that make the game so beautiful to watch.

    Like any artform, it takes an appreciation to fully grasp its most minute beauty. ;o)[/quote]

    I would much rather have a Star Wars convention than all of this puck talk.[/quote]

    Settle down there, Mattakin. Weren’t nobody here but guys from the hockey wing so I asked a question I’d been thinking about.[/quote]

    I’m totally kidding.

    The only reason I poke fun at the puck guys is cuz I know very little about the sport except that which I remember from the ’94 playoffs:

    “Matteau, Matteau…Stephon Matteau!”

    Pavel F’in Bure, #96, I think. They wore those awful sweaters.

    Messier hoisting the cup, grinning from ear to ear.

    I think it was my freshman year of college that my hockey playiong roommate would watch alot of games. I seem to emember a 4 or 5 overtime game that I actually fell asleep during the 3rd Period and woke up 2 hours later and was still on.

    Oh, and his mancrush on Tony Amonte!

  • joe | December 12, 2008 at 5:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”305299″]So anyone know why a Dr. Zaeus and another “Planet of the Ape” ape is hanging out on the right side of this photo?

    http://sportsillustr...

    “Get your dirty paws of my Heisman!”[/quote]

    what about Chewbacca next to him?

  • joe | December 12, 2008 at 5:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”305305″][quote comment=”305286″][quote comment=”305284″][quote comment=”305283″]A hockey question.

    How much of the existence of the Holiday Classic can in some way be attributed to the film MYSTERY, ALASKA?

    Teebz? Mike Engle? Anybody?[/quote]

    Sorry, the Winter Classic[/quote]

    I ask because the first time they skate out to face the Rangers, weaving that serpentine route down the hill to the rink, is one of the really great images/moments in sports movie history. Well, I think so, anyway.[/quote]
    Go pick up the children’s book The Hockey Sweater and you’ll see the same time of path which players skate down to the rink. The book was published in 1979 and although I cannot say whether these sorts of paths actually existed in Quebec (scene of book) it is a possibility.[/quote]

    that story is remembers in teh canadien $5 bill also. I had a friend travel to canada and I had them get me a 5 just to have it.

  • joe | December 12, 2008 at 5:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”305313″][quote comment=\”305307\”][quote]Believe it or not, hockey was played on frozen ponds well before they decided to construct buildings to specifically house a sheet of ice to play hockey on.[/quote]

    old time hockey?[/quote]
    aha, yes? Not sure what you mean but if you mean professional hockey I can\’t say if they played outdoors. But I can say that in the early years of professional hockey and the NHL there were junior hockey teams and minor hockey teams, as well as non-organized, which certainly played outdoors.[/quote]
    not sure about outdoors, but they were in unheated barns with naturally frozen ice.

  • The Hemogoblin | December 12, 2008 at 5:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”305316″][quote comment=”305304″]
    Oh, and his mancrush on Tony Amonte![/quote]

    Nothing wrong with that. Mine’s on Chelios.

  • LI Phil | December 12, 2008 at 5:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”305315″][quote comment=”305310″][quote comment=”305306″]*sigh* I hate finals.

    What have I missed, Phil?

    (in a nutshell)[/quote]

    dude, im not grading your tests…how do you think you did?[/quote]

    Well, Uni Watch’s 10th favorite college stud(ent) did fine.

    I meant “What did I miss in Uni Watch while I was busy ensuring my future?”[/quote]

    lots of stuff…mostly unis, but powers needs a new roof, has a hawt wife, and likes the stockade…star wars debates can break out, ricko may be as old and wise as yoda…they like to candlepin bowl in the commonwealth…rbk is destroying the winter classic…boston has new unis…and…wait for it…

    everyone hates yankees

    /did i miss anything? folks?

  • Tim | December 12, 2008 at 6:00 pm |

    5 years, $80 million for a 31-year old chronically injured pitcher who’s been in the majors for 10 years, averaging 8.7 wins a year. Out if his 87 carer wins, A.J. Burnett acquired about 22% of them last year. So naturally, despite his history, he parlays one good year into a big payday. Somewhere, Carl Pavano is looking at this and saying “You go, A.J.!!!!”

    But boy, will he sure look spiffy in those glorious Yankee pinstripes!

  • The Hemogoblin | December 12, 2008 at 6:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”305321″][quote comment=”305315″][quote comment=”305310″][quote comment=”305306″]*sigh* I hate finals.

    What have I missed, Phil?

    (in a nutshell)[/quote]

    dude, im not grading your tests…how do you think you did?[/quote]

    Well, Uni Watch’s 10th favorite college stud(ent) did fine.

    I meant “What did I miss in Uni Watch while I was busy ensuring my future?”[/quote]

    lots of stuff…mostly unis, but powers needs a new roof, has a hawt wife, and likes the stockade…star wars debates can break out, ricko may be as old and wise as yoda…they like to candlepin bowl in the commonwealth…rbk is destroying the winter classic…boston has new unis…and…wait for it…

    everyone hates yankees

    /did i miss anything? folks?[/quote]

    Thank you for that, saved me a week.

  • Teebz | December 12, 2008 at 6:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”305316″][quote comment=”305304″][quote comment=”305296″][quote comment=”305289″][quote comment=”305288″]this is hockey, ok? it’s not rocket surgery[/quote]

    But the finer points of the game should not be overlooked, Phil. It’s the details that make the game so beautiful to watch.

    Like any artform, it takes an appreciation to fully grasp its most minute beauty. ;o)[/quote]

    I would much rather have a Star Wars convention than all of this puck talk.[/quote]

    Settle down there, Mattakin. Weren’t nobody here but guys from the hockey wing so I asked a question I’d been thinking about.[/quote]

    I’m totally kidding.

    The only reason I poke fun at the puck guys is cuz I know very little about the sport except that which I remember from the ’94 playoffs:

    “Matteau, Matteau…Stephon Matteau!”

    Pavel F’in Bure, #96, I think. They wore those awful sweaters.

    Messier hoisting the cup, grinning from ear to ear.

    I think it was my freshman year of college that my hockey playiong roommate would watch alot of games. I seem to emember a 4 or 5 overtime game that I actually fell asleep during the 3rd Period and woke up 2 hours later and was still on.

    Oh, and his mancrush on Tony Amonte![/quote]

    That would be 1994, and Bure still wore #10.

    That four OT game would be one of Dominik Hasek’s greatest moments as he stopped all 70 shots he faced in a 1-0 4OT win over New Jersey. The goal was scored by sniper Dave Hannan. I remember that game vividly.

    And it’s Stephane Matteau, who scored his second OT winner of the Eastern Final against Martin Brodeur in Game Seven. ;o)

    I forgive you, Matt. LOL

  • The Hemogoblin | December 12, 2008 at 6:05 pm |

    Also, I’m starting on the DIY hockey sweater project tomorrow… WOOOOOOOOO BOBBY HULL!!!

  • The Fonz | December 12, 2008 at 6:07 pm |

    So I have a uni-related question…

    When do the mets release their Citi Field Inagural patch??

    They Yankees already have theirs and selling merchandise…i’m just wondering what the mets’ will look like

  • Ricko | December 12, 2008 at 6:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”305302″][quote comment=”305283″]A hockey question.

    How much of the existence of the Holiday Classic can in some way be attributed to the film MYSTERY, ALASKA?

    Teebz? Mike Engle? Anybody?[/quote]
    Uh, zero. Believe it or not, hockey was played on frozen ponds well before they decided to construct buildings to specifically house a sheet of ice to play hockey on. Even today, children in any cold-weather climate are bound to throw on a pair of skates and go skating on a lake, a river or a homemade rink. My father made a neighborhodd ice hockey rink in my backyard all my life. And my great uncle did it for his children, neices and nephews, This is the tradition we in the hockey focused parts of the world live with and it is that tradition which inspired not just the Winter Classic, but the movie Mystery, Alaska.[/quote]

    I didn’t ask if MYSTERY, ALASKA introduced outdoor hockey to the NHL. I asked about how a marketing concept may have come to be, about whether the plot of that film might have inspired the NHL to ponder playing a regular-season game outdoors. For real.

    I live, and grew up, in Minnesota. My high school’s hockey team didn’t play its games indoors ’til my junior year. Fairly certain that, like the NHL, I already knew there had been outdoor hockey for a while now.

    LOL

    —Ricko

  • Mike Engle | December 12, 2008 at 6:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”305309″][quote comment=”305301″]
    All kidding aside, I thought the Pittsburgh/Buffalo game was created due to the success of a Montreal/Edmonton outdoor double-header (an old-timer’s game, for which Mark Messier needed special permission from the Rangers to suit up, followed by a regular season game).[/quote]

    Great point, Mike. That game is solid, and I’m glad I have the CBC broadcast on DVD. They originally did that game to pit two of the most successful franchises in recent history against one another. Every single player in the game had won a Stanley Cup except two. Can anyone name them?

    The only problem with that game?

    The gametime temperature was -28 C![/quote]
    I just looked it up, so I’ll abstain from answering.
    Instead, I’ll supplement with another question: one particular Old Timer in that game actually won Cups with the Oilers and the Habs. Name him.

  • Lwiedy | December 12, 2008 at 7:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”305146″]Regarding the Red Sox’ uniform changes: is this the first time we’re seeing the “McAuliffe” Red Sox number font in one color only?[/quote]

    Nope, had ’em in ’67 :http://i256.photobuc...

  • Lwiedy | December 12, 2008 at 7:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”305146″]
    Regarding the Red Sox’ uniform changes: is this the first time we’re seeing the “McAuliffe” Red Sox number font in one color only?[/quote]

    Nope, he ’em in ’67: http://i256.photobuc...

  • Teebz | December 12, 2008 at 7:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”305328″][quote comment=”305309″][quote comment=”305301″]
    All kidding aside, I thought the Pittsburgh/Buffalo game was created due to the success of a Montreal/Edmonton outdoor double-header (an old-timer’s game, for which Mark Messier needed special permission from the Rangers to suit up, followed by a regular season game).[/quote]

    Great point, Mike. That game is solid, and I’m glad I have the CBC broadcast on DVD. They originally did that game to pit two of the most successful franchises in recent history against one another. Every single player in the game had won a Stanley Cup except two. Can anyone name them?

    The only problem with that game?

    The gametime temperature was -28 C![/quote]
    I just looked it up, so I’ll abstain from answering.
    Instead, I’ll supplement with another question: one particular Old Timer in that game actually won Cups with the Oilers and the Habs. Name him.[/quote]

    I just realized it was three after seeing part of the game on my DVD. Ok, there was one Oilers player and two Habs.

    That won’t narrow it down, but there were three players without rings.

  • Teebz | December 12, 2008 at 7:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”305328″][quote comment=”305309″][quote comment=”305301″]
    All kidding aside, I thought the Pittsburgh/Buffalo game was created due to the success of a Montreal/Edmonton outdoor double-header (an old-timer’s game, for which Mark Messier needed special permission from the Rangers to suit up, followed by a regular season game).[/quote]

    Great point, Mike. That game is solid, and I’m glad I have the CBC broadcast on DVD. They originally did that game to pit two of the most successful franchises in recent history against one another. Every single player in the game had won a Stanley Cup except two. Can anyone name them?

    The only problem with that game?

    The gametime temperature was -28 C![/quote]
    I just looked it up, so I’ll abstain from answering.
    Instead, I’ll supplement with another question: one particular Old Timer in that game actually won Cups with the Oilers and the Habs. Name him.[/quote]

    Great question, Mike.

    I know the answer, and his initials are M.N. I’ll let everyone else take a shot, though. ;o)

  • Ricko | December 12, 2008 at 8:07 pm |

    Montana and James Madison on ESPN2. Now THIS is the kind of football game that’s fun to watch at this time of year.

    Too bad it isn’t snowing on them. Ah, well, somewhere along the line it will on someone.

    —Ricko

  • Ian | December 12, 2008 at 8:11 pm |

    You would think that the organization which manages the venue would want to promote a once in a lifetime event there.

    [quote comment=”305276″][quote comment=”305269″]Cubs.com has absolutely no mention of the NHL Winter Classic. I wonder who’s behind that decision, whether its the Cubs or MLB.

    [quote comment=”305174″]Anyone wonder what Wrigley Feild looks like in the Winter?

    http://www.nhl.com/i...

    maybe because its not the cubs doing it? I also didn’t see Van Halen things on the blackhawks website when they played the UC last year.[/quote]

  • MPowers1634 | December 12, 2008 at 8:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”305317″][quote comment=”305299″]So anyone know why a Dr. Zaeus and another “Planet of the Ape” ape is hanging out on the right side of this photo?

    http://sportsillustr...

    “Get your dirty paws of my Heisman!”[/quote]

    what about Chewbacca next to him?[/quote]

    I think that is another one of the apes.

    Check out the cheerleaders legs.

    Let me preface this statement by assertingg that I make a habit of NOT qouting this character, for obvious reasons, but here y’all go:

    http://www.youtube.c...

  • LI Phil | December 12, 2008 at 8:46 pm |

    [quote]My high school’s hockey team didn’t play its games indoors ’til my junior year.[/quote]

    also occurring that year:

    king edward viii abdicated the throne of britain for the woman he loved, mrs. wallis simpson

    construction of hoover dam is completed

    the spanish civil war begins when nationalist troops under the command of general francisco franco rise against the existing republican government

    and mordecai ham begins his radio ministry

  • LarenR | December 12, 2008 at 9:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”305333″]Montana and James Madison on ESPN2. Now THIS is the kind of football game that’s fun to watch at this time of year.

    Too bad it isn’t snowing on them. Ah, well, somewhere along the line it will on someone.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Montana’s helmet says “Griz” in a baseball-jersey style script. Gotta love it!

  • LarenR | December 12, 2008 at 9:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”305337″][quote comment=”305333″]Montana and James Madison on ESPN2. Now THIS is the kind of football game that’s fun to watch at this time of year.

    Too bad it isn’t snowing on them. Ah, well, somewhere along the line it will on someone.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Montana’s helmet says “Griz” in a baseball-jersey style script. Gotta love it![/quote]
    Forgot the link.

  • JTH | December 12, 2008 at 9:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”305321″]

    /did i miss anything? folks?[/quote]
    Almost an entire scene’s worth of dialog from Chasing Amy was quoted.

  • chance | December 12, 2008 at 10:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”305336″]also occurring that year:

    the spanish civil war begins when nationalist troops under the command of general francisco franco rise against the existing republican government
    [/quote]

    I haven’t been following the news lately – is he still dead?

  • subway | December 12, 2008 at 10:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”305332″][quote comment=”305328″][quote comment=”305309″][quote comment=”305301″]
    All kidding aside, I thought the Pittsburgh/Buffalo game was created due to the success of a Montreal/Edmonton outdoor double-header (an old-timer’s game, for which Mark Messier needed special permission from the Rangers to suit up, followed by a regular season game).[/quote]

    Great point, Mike. That game is solid, and I’m glad I have the CBC broadcast on DVD. They originally did that game to pit two of the most successful franchises in recent history against one another. Every single player in the game had won a Stanley Cup except two. Can anyone name them?

    The only problem with that game?

    The gametime temperature was -28 C![/quote]
    I just looked it up, so I’ll abstain from answering.
    Instead, I’ll supplement with another question: one particular Old Timer in that game actually won Cups with the Oilers and the Habs. Name him.[/quote]

    Great question, Mike.

    I know the answer, and his initials are M.N. I’ll let everyone else take a shot, though. ;o)[/quote]
    Mark Napier. Don’t know the answer to the first question though.

  • JTH | December 12, 2008 at 10:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”305303″][quote comment=”305294″]
    That brings up a point – why do any teams have that white outline on the gray jersey? It just looks like the letters were cut off of a white sheet and they didn’t bother to trim them before applying. In other words it just looks cheap. Off the top of my head the Angels, Yankees and Nationals are guilty of this.[/quote]
    Add Detroit to that total.[/quote]
    I don’t necessarily think one way’s better than the other. There are plenty of teams with the white border that look good (including the Yankees), if you ask me.

    Probably more have the white border than don’t. Pretty sure 8 of the 11 teams in the two Central divisions (all but Cardinals, Twins, Astros) have them.

  • Johnny F. | December 12, 2008 at 10:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”305321″][quote comment=”305315″][quote comment=”305310″][quote comment=”305306″]*sigh* I hate finals.

    What have I missed, Phil?

    (in a nutshell)[/quote]

    dude, im not grading your tests…how do you think you did?[/quote]

    Well, Uni Watch’s 10th favorite college stud(ent) did fine.

    I meant “What did I miss in Uni Watch while I was busy ensuring my future?”[/quote]

    lots of stuff…mostly unis, but powers needs a new roof, has a hawt wife, and likes the stockade…star wars debates can break out, ricko may be as old and wise as yoda…they like to candlepin bowl in the commonwealth…rbk is destroying the winter classic…boston has new unis…and…wait for it…

    everyone hates yankees

    /did i miss anything? folks?[/quote]

    Hahahaha….well done, Phil.

  • JTH | December 12, 2008 at 10:22 pm |

    Blackhawks and Bulls: both on the road and both in their alts tonight.

    God, those Bulls alts are brutal.

  • Johnny F. | December 12, 2008 at 10:28 pm |

    Regarding a potential NY “winter classic”, as mentioned before… the N.Y-Boston thing doesn’t have the same intensity as in baseball. Bruins-Rangers has intensity, but in an “original 6, we’re supposed to be rivals” kind of way. Not in a “Potvin sucks… Islanders fans want to eat our children” kind of way.

    A Rangers-Islanders game on January 1st, in Central Park or Yankee Stadium in front of 100,000 people…that would be something. Sure I’m N.Y. biased, but it is what it fucking is :)

  • LI Phil | December 12, 2008 at 10:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”305345″]Regarding a potential NY “winter classic”, as mentioned before… the N.Y-Boston thing doesn’t have the same intensity as in baseball. Bruins-Rangers has intensity, but in an “original 6, we’re supposed to be rivals” kind of way. Not in a “Potvin sucks… Islanders fans want to eat our children” kind of way.

    A Rangers-Islanders game on January 1st, in Central Park or Yankee Stadium in front of 100,000 people…that would be something. Sure I’m N.Y. biased, but it is what it fucking is :)[/quote]

    we talked about that after last year’s game…good comments throughout but a discussion of the venue for this year begins at #116

    what’s absolutely amazing is shane, in #126 opined this:

    [quote]They should use original six teams.
    So maybe Chicago vs. Detroit at Soldier Field
    Wrigley would be kinda weird but awesome at the same time.[/quote]

    how’s that for vision?

    good read thru if you have the time

  • =bg= | December 12, 2008 at 10:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”305203″][quote comment=”305202″][quote comment=”305184″][quote comment=”305158″]Chicago’s coaches had lavender jackets on last night.[/quote]

    so, now we have two NFL teams in lavender…the ravens and the bears…

    who’s next?[/quote]

    Comment probably being heard at NFL Properties this morning: “Okay, guys, if we stick with gray sideline parkas next year we’re changing the color specs. The gray we’re using now looks lavender on TV during night games.”

    Can we put an end to this before it becomes a “green sticker” subject?[/quote]

    you mean they’re not lavender?[/quote]

    green sticker?

  • Ricko | December 12, 2008 at 10:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”305345″]Regarding a potential NY “winter classic”, as mentioned before… the N.Y-Boston thing doesn’t have the same intensity as in baseball. Bruins-Rangers has intensity, but in an “original 6, we’re supposed to be rivals” kind of way. Not in a “Potvin sucks… Islanders fans want to eat our children” kind of way.

    A Rangers-Islanders game on January 1st, in Central Park or Yankee Stadium in front of 100,000 people…that would be something. Sure I’m N.Y. biased, but it is what it fucking is :)[/quote]

    (Slaps forehead) Yup, much better than Bruins-Rangers for a future Winter Classic.

  • Ian | December 12, 2008 at 10:44 pm |

    Not going to happen, since it would only involve 1 market. The 2000 Subway Series was one of the lowest rated World Series of all time…

    [quote comment=”305345″]Regarding a potential NY “winter classic”, as mentioned before… the N.Y-Boston thing doesn’t have the same intensity as in baseball. Bruins-Rangers has intensity, but in an “original 6, we’re supposed to be rivals” kind of way. Not in a “Potvin sucks… Islanders fans want to eat our children” kind of way.

    A Rangers-Islanders game on January 1st, in Central Park or Yankee Stadium in front of 100,000 people…that would be something. Sure I’m N.Y. biased, but it is what it fucking is :)[/quote]

  • Ricko | December 12, 2008 at 10:45 pm |

    I leave you tonight wiht a Trivia Question:

    Who said…

    “It was the 1967 Army-Navy Game. I went 16-for-23, and the Secretary of the Navy presented me with the Game Ball.” ?

    Careful. It’s kind of a trick question.

  • Ricko | December 12, 2008 at 10:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”305349″]Not going to happen, since it would only involve 1 market. The 2000 Subway Series was one of the lowest rated World Series of all time…

    [quote comment=”305345″]Regarding a potential NY “winter classic”, as mentioned before… the N.Y-Boston thing doesn’t have the same intensity as in baseball. Bruins-Rangers has intensity, but in an “original 6, we’re supposed to be rivals” kind of way. Not in a “Potvin sucks… Islanders fans want to eat our children” kind of way.

    A Rangers-Islanders game on January 1st, in Central Park or Yankee Stadium in front of 100,000 people…that would be something. Sure I’m N.Y. biased, but it is what it fucking is :)[/quote][/quote]

    ‘Tis true, ’tis true.

  • LI Phil | December 12, 2008 at 10:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”305351″][quote comment=”305349″]Not going to happen, since it would only involve 1 market. The 2000 Subway Series was one of the lowest rated World Series of all time…

    [quote comment=”305345″]Regarding a potential NY “winter classic”, as mentioned before… the N.Y-Boston thing doesn’t have the same intensity as in baseball. Bruins-Rangers has intensity, but in an “original 6, we’re supposed to be rivals” kind of way. Not in a “Potvin sucks… Islanders fans want to eat our children” kind of way.

    A Rangers-Islanders game on January 1st, in Central Park or Yankee Stadium in front of 100,000 people…that would be something. Sure I’m N.Y. biased, but it is what it fucking is :)[/quote][/quote]

    ‘Tis true, ’tis true.[/quote]

    plus the islanders suck

  • Johnny F. | December 12, 2008 at 10:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”305350″]I leave you tonight wiht a Trivia Question:

    Who said…

    “It was the 1967 Army-Navy Game. I went 16-for-23, and the Secretary of the Navy presented me with the Game Ball.” ?

    Careful. It’s kind of a trick question.[/quote]

    I don’t know the answer…but was that the crazy Army-Navy “Vietnam War” game I have been told about? Maybe it was a year before or year after….

  • Johnny F. | December 12, 2008 at 10:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”305351″][quote comment=”305349″]Not going to happen, since it would only involve 1 market. The 2000 Subway Series was one of the lowest rated World Series of all time…

    [quote comment=”305345″]Regarding a potential NY “winter classic”, as mentioned before… the N.Y-Boston thing doesn’t have the same intensity as in baseball. Bruins-Rangers has intensity, but in an “original 6, we’re supposed to be rivals” kind of way. Not in a “Potvin sucks… Islanders fans want to eat our children” kind of way.

    A Rangers-Islanders game on January 1st, in Central Park or Yankee Stadium in front of 100,000 people…that would be something. Sure I’m N.Y. biased, but it is what it fucking is :)[/quote][/quote]

    ‘Tis true, ’tis true.[/quote]

    Yeah…I guess the 1 market thing hurts the case. Maybe NYC, the Rangers and the Islanders can lobby/work for a regional winter classic.

    Isn’t it just a matter of time before the NHL expands it’s outdoor hockey schedule?

    It doesn’t have to be a “winter classic”, just an outdoor hockey game between 2 NY teams that hate each other. Maybe I’m being naive toward the NHL’s annoying marketing attitudes.

  • Ricko | December 12, 2008 at 10:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”305352″][quote comment=”305351″][quote comment=”305349″]Not going to happen, since it would only involve 1 market. The 2000 Subway Series was one of the lowest rated World Series of all time…

    [quote comment=”305345″]Regarding a potential NY “winter classic”, as mentioned before… the N.Y-Boston thing doesn’t have the same intensity as in baseball. Bruins-Rangers has intensity, but in an “original 6, we’re supposed to be rivals” kind of way. Not in a “Potvin sucks… Islanders fans want to eat our children” kind of way.

    A Rangers-Islanders game on January 1st, in Central Park or Yankee Stadium in front of 100,000 people…that would be something. Sure I’m N.Y. biased, but it is what it fucking is :)[/quote][/quote]

    ‘Tis true, ’tis true.[/quote]

    plus the islanders suck[/quote]

    ‘Tis true, ’tis true.

  • JTH | December 12, 2008 at 11:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”305350″]I leave you tonight wiht a Trivia Question:

    Who said…

    “It was the 1967 Army-Navy Game. I went 16-for-23, and the Secretary of the Navy presented me with the Game Ball.” ?

    Careful. It’s kind of a trick question.[/quote]
    David Robinson.

  • LI Phil | December 12, 2008 at 11:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”305356″][quote comment=”305350″]I leave you tonight wiht a Trivia Question:

    Who said…

    “It was the 1967 Army-Navy Game. I went 16-for-23, and the Secretary of the Navy presented me with the Game Ball.” ?

    Careful. It’s kind of a trick question.[/quote]
    David Robinson.[/quote]

    i know the answer, because rick told me…and you can’t even google it…because it’s a trick question…but it was said by someone you’ve definitely heard of

  • Johnny F. | December 12, 2008 at 11:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”305356″][quote comment=”305350″]I leave you tonight wiht a Trivia Question:

    Who said…

    “It was the 1967 Army-Navy Game. I went 16-for-23, and the Secretary of the Navy presented me with the Game Ball.” ?

    Careful. It’s kind of a trick question.[/quote]
    David Robinson.[/quote]

    I’m thinking you might be headed down the right path, but Robinson was at Navy in the mid-80’s.

  • Ricko | December 12, 2008 at 11:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”305354″][quote comment=”305351″][quote comment=”305349″]Not going to happen, since it would only involve 1 market. The 2000 Subway Series was one of the lowest rated World Series of all time…

    [quote comment=”305345″]Regarding a potential NY “winter classic”, as mentioned before… the N.Y-Boston thing doesn’t have the same intensity as in baseball. Bruins-Rangers has intensity, but in an “original 6, we’re supposed to be rivals” kind of way. Not in a “Potvin sucks… Islanders fans want to eat our children” kind of way.

    A Rangers-Islanders game on January 1st, in Central Park or Yankee Stadium in front of 100,000 people…that would be something. Sure I’m N.Y. biased, but it is what it fucking is :)[/quote][/quote]

    ‘Tis true, ’tis true.[/quote]

    Yeah…I guess the 1 market thing hurts the case. Maybe NYC, the Rangers and the Islanders can lobby/work for a regional winter classic.

    Isn’t it just a matter of time before the NHL expands it’s outdoor hockey schedule?

    It doesn’t have to be a “winter classic”, just an outdoor hockey game between 2 NY teams that hate each other. Maybe I’m being naive toward the NHL’s annoying marketing attitudes.[/quote]

    That’s the interesting dilemma the NHL faces.

    Right now, what they have on their hands is the closest thing to a Rose Bowl (as a TV attraction in the States) that they’re likely to have for a long time to come. The viewership—and the buzz—for last year’s Winter Classic was something.

    So…does a second “Rose Bowl” diminish the “event status” of the first? Tough, tough question.

  • Ricko | December 12, 2008 at 11:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”305358″][quote comment=”305356″][quote comment=”305350″]I leave you tonight wiht a Trivia Question:

    Who said…

    “It was the 1967 Army-Navy Game. I went 16-for-23, and the Secretary of the Navy presented me with the Game Ball.” ?

    Careful. It’s kind of a trick question.[/quote]
    David Robinson.[/quote]

    I’m thinking you might be headed down the right path, but Robinson was at Navy in the mid-80’s.[/quote]

    Think “fictional”.

  • Andrew | December 12, 2008 at 11:12 pm |

    Reference the wristbands in hockey…..Darren McCarty, of the Red Wings, has bilateral wristbands…. (http://sports.espn.g...)

  • JTH | December 12, 2008 at 11:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”305355″][quote comment=”305352″][quote comment=”305351″][quote comment=”305349″]Not going to happen, since it would only involve 1 market. The 2000 Subway Series was one of the lowest rated World Series of all time…

    [quote comment=”305345″]Regarding a potential NY “winter classic”, as mentioned before… the N.Y-Boston thing doesn’t have the same intensity as in baseball. Bruins-Rangers has intensity, but in an “original 6, we’re supposed to be rivals” kind of way. Not in a “Potvin sucks… Islanders fans want to eat our children” kind of way.

    A Rangers-Islanders game on January 1st, in Central Park or Yankee Stadium in front of 100,000 people…that would be something. Sure I’m N.Y. biased, but it is what it fucking is :)[/quote][/quote]

    ‘Tis true, ’tis true.[/quote]

    plus the islanders suck[/quote]

    ‘Tis true, ’tis true.[/quote]
    How many playoff appearances do the Hawks have over the last 10 seasons?

  • LI Phil | December 12, 2008 at 11:18 pm |

    [quote]How many playoff appearances do the Hawks have over the last 10 seasons?[/quote]

    the loneliest number

  • JTH | December 12, 2008 at 11:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”305360″][quote comment=”305358″][quote comment=”305356″][quote comment=”305350″]I leave you tonight wiht a Trivia Question:

    Who said…

    “It was the 1967 Army-Navy Game. I went 16-for-23, and the Secretary of the Navy presented me with the Game Ball.” ?

    Careful. It’s kind of a trick question.[/quote]
    David Robinson.[/quote]

    I’m thinking you might be headed down the right path, but Robinson was at Navy in the mid-80’s.[/quote]

    Think “fictional”.[/quote]
    Uh, Commander Mike “Viper” Metcalf? Colonel Nathan Jessup?

  • Johnny F. | December 12, 2008 at 11:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”305359″][quote comment=”305354″][quote comment=”305351″][quote comment=”305349″]Not going to happen, since it would only involve 1 market. The 2000 Subway Series was one of the lowest rated World Series of all time…

    [quote comment=”305345″]Regarding a potential NY “winter classic”, as mentioned before… the N.Y-Boston thing doesn’t have the same intensity as in baseball. Bruins-Rangers has intensity, but in an “original 6, we’re supposed to be rivals” kind of way. Not in a “Potvin sucks… Islanders fans want to eat our children” kind of way.

    A Rangers-Islanders game on January 1st, in Central Park or Yankee Stadium in front of 100,000 people…that would be something. Sure I’m N.Y. biased, but it is what it fucking is :)[/quote][/quote]

    ‘Tis true, ’tis true.[/quote]

    Yeah…I guess the 1 market thing hurts the case. Maybe NYC, the Rangers and the Islanders can lobby/work for a regional winter classic.

    Isn’t it just a matter of time before the NHL expands it’s outdoor hockey schedule?

    It doesn’t have to be a “winter classic”, just an outdoor hockey game between 2 NY teams that hate each other. Maybe I’m being naive toward the NHL’s annoying marketing attitudes.[/quote]

    That’s the interesting dilemma the NHL faces.

    Right now, what they have on their hands is the closest thing to a Rose Bowl (as a TV attraction in the States) that they’re likely to have for a long time to come. The viewership—and the buzz—for last year’s Winter Classic was something.

    So…does a second “Rose Bowl” diminish the “event status” of the first? Tough, tough question.[/quote]

    It really is a tough question. Personally, I think with the NHL’s popularity problem, a few more outdoor games would be a good thing. Maybe 1 outdoor game a month (sans October and April for a few reasons). I remember reading that logistically (and financially) it takes a lot of effort…so more outdoor games than that would probably have no chance.

    There would be worry for a “watered down” effect, but I think the outdoor games work on a few different levels. 5 great matchups, outdoors, should be no problem for the NHL to work up. November and March, head to Canada!

  • LI Phil | December 12, 2008 at 11:24 pm |

    [quote]Uh, Commander Mike “Viper” Metcalf? Colonel Nathan Jessup?[/quote]

    getting warmer

    think tv…specifically 1980s tv

  • Juan Grande | December 12, 2008 at 11:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”305360″][quote comment=”305358″][quote comment=”305356″][quote comment=”305350″]I leave you tonight wiht a Trivia Question:

    Who said…

    “It was the 1967 Army-Navy Game. I went 16-for-23, and the Secretary of the Navy presented me with the Game Ball.” ?

    Careful. It’s kind of a trick question.[/quote]
    David Robinson.[/quote]

    I’m thinking you might be headed down the right path, but Robinson was at Navy in the mid-80’s.[/quote]

    Think “fictional”.[/quote]

    Magnum PI, CDR Thomas Magnum, USN.

  • LI Phil | December 12, 2008 at 11:28 pm |

    juan…

    chicken dinner!

    nice

  • Johnny F. | December 12, 2008 at 11:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”305368″]juan…

    chicken dinner!

    nice[/quote]

    Shoot. Juan wins.

    Regarding the 1967 Army-Navy football game…I’m pretty sure that was a crazy, Vietnam era game. Time to do some googling.

  • Johnny F. | December 12, 2008 at 11:33 pm |

    Check this out, from the 1967 Amry-Navy game…

    http://collectableiv...

  • Johnny F. | December 12, 2008 at 11:34 pm |

    Has this site been linked before? Holy crap!

    http://collectableiv...

  • LI Phil | December 12, 2008 at 11:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”305370″]Check this out, from the 1967 Amry-Navy game…

    http://collectableiv...

    i almost used that pic for last sunday’s post…there’s some great A-N program covers out there (ones in the 30’s & 40’s were particularly awesome)

  • JTH | December 12, 2008 at 11:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”305363″][quote]How many playoff appearances do the Hawks have over the last 10 seasons?[/quote]

    the loneliest number[/quote]
    Aye. So you’ve got the defending champs against perennial doormats this year.

    Of course, I’m kinda talking apples & oranges here, since the Hawks’ needle is definitely pointing up at the moment. The Isles… not so much.

    And, regardless of the logo creep, I want one of these hats.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Good job, Juan. I never would have gotten that. (Never saw an episode of the show, plus I was too busy trying to remember if any A-Team member was a sailor or marine.)

  • LI Phil | December 12, 2008 at 11:40 pm |

    are they gonna check the wrigley crowd for octopi?

  • Johnny F. | December 12, 2008 at 11:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”305372″][quote comment=”305370″]Check this out, from the 1967 Amry-Navy game…

    http://collectableiv...

    i almost used that pic for last sunday’s post…there’s some great A-N program covers out there (ones in the 30’s & 40’s were particularly awesome)[/quote]

    They really are.

    Any explanation why this Navy guy has a #100 on his helmet? (From 1969 Army-Navy game)

    http://www.usna.edu/...

  • Juan Grande | December 12, 2008 at 11:41 pm |

    Magnum was the man.

  • joe | December 12, 2008 at 11:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”305334″]You would think that the organization which manages the venue would want to promote a once in a lifetime event there.

    [quote comment=”305276″][quote comment=”305269″]Cubs.com has absolutely no mention of the NHL Winter Classic. I wonder who’s behind that decision, whether its the Cubs or MLB.

    [quote comment=”305174″]Anyone wonder what Wrigley Feild looks like in the Winter?

    http://www.nhl.com/i...

    maybe because its not the cubs doing it? I also didn’t see Van Halen things on the blackhawks website when they played the UC last year.[/quote][/quote]
    why would they,its not their event. They also own the stadium. If it was a different venue owner then it would be likely the venue owner would market it, but there’s no reason for the vcubs to do so.

  • LI Phil | December 12, 2008 at 11:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”305375″]Any explanation why this Navy guy has a #100 on his helmet? (From 1969 Army-Navy game)

    http://www.usna.edu/...

    yes

  • JTH | December 12, 2008 at 11:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”305374″]are they gonna check the wrigley crowd for octopi?[/quote]

    Can’t answer that, but I do have first-hand knowledge that the Soldier Field crowd was thoroughly checked for flasks full of Rumple Minze last night.

    At least the dude let me bring my leftover steak in with me.

  • Juan Grande | December 12, 2008 at 11:45 pm |

    Phil, forget the chicken dinner. I want one of the new Boston away jerseys!

  • Johnny F. | December 12, 2008 at 11:46 pm |

    Phil, I’m sure when preparing your Army-Navy write-up, you came across this site… but some of these old pictures and programs are unbelievable. I’ll spare the readers of this board, at 11:45pm, but I want to post links to just about every other picture I look at!

    http://www.usna.edu/...

  • Johnny F. | December 12, 2008 at 11:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”305378″][quote comment=”305375″]Any explanation why this Navy guy has a #100 on his helmet? (From 1969 Army-Navy game)

    http://www.usna.edu/...

    yes[/quote]

    Awesome! Thanks!

  • JTH | December 12, 2008 at 11:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”305372″][quote comment=”305370″]Check this out, from the 1967 Amry-Navy game…

    http://collectableiv...

    i almost used that pic for last sunday’s post…there’s some great A-N program covers out there (ones in the 30’s & 40’s were particularly awesome)[/quote]
    This is a great one from 1944.

  • LI Phil | December 12, 2008 at 11:49 pm |

    you wanna see some sick shit?

    check out this pic of roger the dodger

    /from the ricko files

  • Johnny F. | December 13, 2008 at 12:07 am |

    [quote comment=”305384″]you wanna see some sick shit?

    check out this pic of roger the dodger

    /from the ricko files[/quote]

    Damn.

  • Juan Grande | December 13, 2008 at 12:10 am |

    Here’s a pic for Paul….

    http://www.usna.edu/...

  • Johnny F. | December 13, 2008 at 12:10 am |

    I’m off to hit the rack. First good, solid uniwatching session for me, in far too long. It’s been a pleasure.

    G’night gentlemen.

    http://www.usna.edu/...

  • JL | December 13, 2008 at 5:00 am |

    Man, I can’t stop thinking about those late 70s ChiSox uniforms when I look at the new road uniforms. Damn similar (if not exact) font.

  • Randy Rollyson | December 13, 2008 at 10:09 am |

    Beg to differ with you on the lettering on the Red Sox road uniforms. To say that the single color navy on the Red Sox road’s is not traditional is a little short sighted. They wore single color navy “Boston” on their roads in 1900, 1901, 1903-1907, 1938-1968, and 1979-1989. That’s 49 years of single color navy lettering on the Red Sox road uniform since 1900. Pretty traditional if you ask me.

  • T.J. | December 15, 2008 at 6:51 pm |

    1) While totally unnecessary, the new Sox unis look great (except the alts… I don’t get the whole let’s-wear-our-batting-practice-unis-during-the-real-game thing).

    And that’s coming from a Yankees fan.

    2) Chara is probably wearing the wrist band for sweat.

    As mentioned above, many players wear slash guards, but the bands Z is wearing don’t look like they have the plastic protectors.

    3) I noticed that hockey and lacrosse elbow pads were compared earlier:
    Almost all hockey elbow pads have roughly the same amount of protection, covering mid-forearm to mid-bicep. Some are longer or shorter, but that’s average.

    In lacrosse, most guys I know wear pads tailored to their position.

    For instance, when I played defense my freshman year, I went out and brought elbow pads that were basically plastic shells that fit over my elbow caps. I was the one doing the smacking and didn’t need much protection, so I got the bare minimum required in the rule book. When my coach moved me to attack last year, I got elbow pads that covered my entire arm, from wrist to upper-bicep, because I was getting slashed a lot. Most guys I know who play midi have about average elbow pads, that are pretty close to the same fit as hockey elbow pads.

    4) I think more than one Winter Classic would kind of ruin it.

    When you look at the NHL, people rarely even talk about individual playoff games, much less regular season. Games seem to blend together when you talk to the average fan.

    Now, if you look at the NFL, it’s the exact opposite. Games almost never run together in a fan’s head, because the match-ups are win or go home. The Super Bowl is just that – THE Super Bowl. It’s not “Game 4 of the 2008 Super Bowl Finals”, it’s just THE Super Bowl.

    This is the equivalent for the NHL, at least from a television perspective. It’s one game that everyone will remember. It’s on a different day. It’s in a different stadium. It’s in different sweaters. It’s got a completely different look and feel from every other day of the regular season, preseason, training camps, or playoffs.

    If you have more than one a year, it loses that special feeling. I’m not even a fan of the Hawks or Wings, but as a hockey fan, I’ll damn well be watching, because it only happens once a year.

  • Andrew | December 17, 2008 at 7:37 pm |

    What is the point of a road alternate jersey anyway (well, other than more sales on Yawkey Way)? It seems rather un-Red Soxlike (or should we expect this in the Trio/Theo era). The alt-hat is nice, but strays from the traditional nature of the Red Sox Uniforms (alt or not). I don’t know what to think about the new aways. They have a retro look which is nice but I am worried about the lack of red, which might look odd with red socks (especially knicker style).
    bottom line though, no need for change.

  • Erik Swanson | December 18, 2008 at 3:59 am |

    Paul, I read your column religiously, and I rspect your opinion, but I respectfully disagree.

    When I saw the sox had changed their road uniforms, I winced. I braced myself for the worst. But they’re beautiful! So subtle! I’ve felt the Yanks were somehow better than us for sticking with the simple black-on-gray while we ditched it for red on gray (UGLY). I love the lettering and I love that it’s one color (surely you noticed the Yanks went to a white outline…sad).

    I like it when a team looks humble on the road. Isn’t that how it oughta be?

  • Ryan Beauchamp | December 19, 2008 at 10:19 pm |

    look at Clinton Portis’ cleats he wore agaist the Giants in 2007
    alot of players on the Redskins are moving over to wearing SOCCER cleats. Like Carlos Rogers, and Fred Smoot. http://voices.washin...

    And Clinton Portis http://extremeskins....