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I’ll be busy cooking and eating today (not necessarily in that order), but I’ll leave the comments open for those who feel the need to point out that the Lions really suck. I’ll have a short entry tomorrow; until then, enjoy your holiday and remember that white meat’s for chumps. And give some extra-special thanks to Zac Neubauer, who provided the excellent postcard shown above. — Paul

 
  
 
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Comments (122)

    [quote comment=”302324″]Definitely stuffing, even if it’s not in the bird. Dressing is for salads.

    Hope everyone has a great day![/quote]
    my understanding is that anytime that stuffing isn’t in the bird it is called dressing. Am I wrong.

    Stuffing.

    Random photos I snapped while waiting for a haircut last night…

    link: navy blue — check, orange — check, royal blue — uh, OK and… red?

    Framed Ben Gordon jersey with link.

    link that might very well be a repurposed link, since he was the last Bear to wear #54 when the link looked like that.

    link: Dolphins, Bucs and Gators — all sure to be hot sellers around here.
    ~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~
    Happy Thanksgiving, everyone. I’m truly thankful that this forum exists.

    Oh, and for a healthy family and all that other crap.

    Consider me a chump: I only eat the white meat. The dark meat on turkey and chicken is too greasy.

    And it’s stuffing, always and everywhere. Dressing, as Stuby points out, is for salads.

    Are the Lions going to wear throwbacks today? From the footage ESPN just showed, it looks like they haven’t gone old school on Thanksgiving since ’04 (?), wearing either their regular uniforms or their black alts the last three seasons.

    [quote comment=”302328″]JTH…do you get your hair cut in a memorablia store?
    [/quote]
    Usually I just cut it myself, but my son also needed a cut, so we went to SportClips, which is basically a crappy souvenir store where you can also get a haircut.

    my understanding is that the Lions WILL be wearing their throwback uniforms with the logo-less helmets. They also wore them for the game on Nov 9 against Jacksonville when they unveiled the all-time time at halftime as part of their 75th season in Detroit. Also, Corey Schlesinger will be the Lions’ honorary captain today.

    [quote comment=”302329″]Consider me a chump: I only eat the white meat. The dark meat on turkey and chicken is too greasy.
    [/quote]
    White meat/dark meat question is probably moot for me today.

    I have a feeling that the only thing I’ll eat today is green bean casserole — because my wife is making it. Everything else will be made by her mother and sister. That’s a frightening prospect. If her uncle shows up, I’ll probably eat whatever he brings, too.

    could we have a worse slate of pro games today? lions v. titans, hawks v. boys, and, for those unlike myself who actually get the nfl network, iggles v. cards

    lions will throwback (good), boys won’t (bad, and iggles in black (?) — that’s the rumor, anyway…lets hope that one doesn’t go into double overtime

    here in texas… it’s DRESSING! and in my house, it has jalepenos in it! I hope all have a happy thanksgiving!

    if you’re bored today, check out one of my favorite websites, link Some E-cards has a great selection of irreverent and distasteful e-cards to send to your friends. Unfortunately, they don’t have any uni-based ones, but there’s plenty of funny stuff there. link is a great example of a card you can send to your girlfriend/wife/hot coworker today… And it’s totally free.

    I think it’s a good thing the ‘Boys won’t be wearing throwbacks today. They just don’t look right wearing dark uniforms at home.

    [quote comment=”302338″]I think it’s a good thing the ‘Boys won’t be wearing throwbacks today. They just don’t look right wearing dark uniforms at home.[/quote]
    That’s a good point. Why do they wear blue throwbacks, anyway? Why not white?

    [quote comment=”302336″]I will be in Simpsonville, SC eating DRESSING!

    Happy Thanksgiving.[/quote]

    As a Canadian, just want to wish you guys a Happy Thanksgiving in the good ol’ US-of-A.

    As a hockey fan, I’m a little disappointed I can’t listen to any NHL games during the day at work, but I don’t make the schedule.

    Have a good one, everyone!

    [quote comment=”302339″][quote comment=”302338″]I think it’s a good thing the ‘Boys won’t be wearing throwbacks today. They just don’t look right wearing dark uniforms at home.[/quote]
    That’s a good point. Why do they wear blue throwbacks, anyway? Why not white?[/quote]

    apparently they do have a white throwback…(not the one dandy don is wearing of course..that’s the real deal)…but why they have never broken it out is one of the uni-mysteries of our time…i have a word for that throwback…

    sweet

    [quote comment=”302339″][quote comment=”302338″]I think it’s a good thing the ‘Boys won’t be wearing throwbacks today. They just don’t look right wearing dark uniforms at home.[/quote]
    That’s a good point. Why do they wear blue throwbacks, anyway? Why not white?[/quote]

    Duh because white throwbacks will look to similar to the current ones so whats the point

    Just a tip for those watching the Lions for the first time this year. Do NOT eat while watching the Lions. Their play will upset your stomach

    bad news….Eagles are wearing black jerseys and trying to get fans to wear black. I really wish the Eagles would wear the early 90’s jerseys for the game tonight.

    [quote comment=”302335″]could we have a worse slate of pro games today? lions v. titans, hawks v. boys, and, for those unlike myself who actually get the nfl network, iggles v. cards

    lions will throwback (good), boys won’t (bad, and iggles in black (?) — that’s the rumor, anyway…lets hope that one doesn’t go into double overtime[/quote]

    I don’t get the NFL Network, I don’t know anyone who gets the NFLN and I don’t even know anyone who knows anyone who gets the NFLN. So it’ll be Texas-Texas A&M for me.

    And… the T-day food is better tomorrow anyway. White meat turkey with Swiss on toast. Now you’re talking.

    Greetings from Burgh-town. Dark meat is the best. Stuffing, not dressing, and a better debate: turkey stuffing or stuffing balls?!!?? Thanks to my great mom-in-law, we’ll have BOTH this year! (14 people at our house this year, the wife is having a meltdown!)

    Yes, the Lions suck but so what, it’s their tradition to play on Turkey Day. And think of all the people that wouldn’t have seen Barry Sanders in action if not for that game. I could give a shit about the Seahawks/Cowboys game but I do like watching the Cardinals since I’m a big Larry Fitzgerald fan.

    I get tired of hearing Mike Greenberg use the Mike and Mike show as a platform to get the Lions off Thanksgiving. He’s been on it for like three years now. Can’t they just have their day? I mean it’s tradition. Plus, with the NFL Network, the league can schedule a third game sans the Lions or Cowboys so win-win.

    May you all have a blessed turkey day and enjoy time with your loved ones.

    Tomorrow is great by the way: turkey with gravy over waffles!!!!

    — For the record, it’s stuffing. As has been said previously, dressing is the liquid stuff you put on salad.

    — Man, the Lions suck. I can’t believe the Bears almost lost to them at home. (The blowout in Detroit was nice, though).

    — Fortunately, I do get the NFL Network (Thanks, Directv), so I’ll get a chance to watch the Cards-Eagles (another blackout – didn’t the Eagles see what happened to Georgia when they did that?). Unfortunately, I’ll more than likely be fighting my wife and mother-in-law to keep the TV off some Lifetime movie.

    I’m watching the Macy’s Thanksgiving Day Parade, and I just saw the link and it kind of reminded me of this link that’s driven by link. Any thoughts?

    you know… all this discussion about dressing and stuffing makes me think of what regional differences might exist in the dish. how do you make yours? what all is in it? is it cooked inside or outside the bird?

    mine (which is my great grandmothers recipe via my mother):
    Outside the bird!
    cornbread based
    we put in apples, pecans, craisins, jalepenos, etc…
    we also make little pancakes out of some of it fo some family members… it turns out really crispy and wonderful to make a sandwich with cranberry sauce and turkey between two dressing pancakes. :-D

    We’ve had NFL network in Denver since it started. Me gusta. YMMV.

    Call me paranoid, but why would anyone who doesn’t like white meat try to get other people to skip it? Doesn’t the very act of discouraging people from eating the (more plentiful) white meat imply that Paul wants yet more of it for his own nefarious purposes?

    I want to give thanks to Uni-watch and all it’s participants.

    Have a safe and delicious thanksgiving!

    Ex-pat/McGill University student checking in from Montreal. I’m as tired and busy as hell, it’s snowing, and it doesn’t feel a bit like Thanksgiving up here, but I’m thankful for Tim Horton’s coffee to keep me upright, not having to watch the Lions, the Jets doing well (for the moment), and my band, after a successful recording session last night. And of course the UW reader base. I learn a lot, see cool details, and enjoy “congregating” here.
    Hope my turducken burgers come out well. First time I’ve been involved in the Thanksgiving cooking process. (My roommate is American too, so we’ll do the best we can…)

    [quote comment=”302331″]my understanding is that the Lions WILL be wearing their throwback uniforms with the logo-less helmets. They also wore them for the game on Nov 9 against Jacksonville when they unveiled the all-time time at halftime as part of their 75th season in Detroit. Also, Corey Schlesinger will be the Lions’ honorary captain today.[/quote]

    Is Millen the all-time GM? What do I care? How bout dem Cowboys.
    link

    No matter what you say, it can’t be stuffing, until it is stuffed.
    Now in terms of preference. Stuffing is best day of,dressing (in small patties) is best the day(s) after.
    Happy Thanksgiving all

    Why did teams start to deviate from throwbacks on Thanksgiving? It seems like it was just a few years ago when all four teams did so. Now it just looks weird seeing the Lions’ throwback against the Titans’ futuristic jerseys.

    Saw it on the Food Network…

    Dressing and Stuffing are EXACTLY the same thing. It is called Stuffing if it is STUFFED into the bird, it is called Dressing if it is cooked outside the bird in a pan… Potato, Potatoe either way you say it, it is the same thing!

    The Lions are TERRIBLE! Bad coaching, bad tackling, bad blocking just bad everything!

    [quote comment=”302358″]Why did teams start to deviate from throwbacks on Thanksgiving? It seems like it was just a few years ago when all four teams did so. Now it just looks weird seeing the Lions’ throwback against the Titans’ futuristic jerseys.[/quote]

    the lions are probably trying to relive the glory days of actually winning a game

    [quote comment=”302359″]Saw it on the Food Network…

    Dressing and Stuffing are EXACTLY the same thing. It is called Stuffing if it is STUFFED into the bird, it is called Dressing if it is cooked outside the bird in a pan… Potato, Potatoe either way you say it, it is the same thing!

    The Lions are TERRIBLE! Bad coaching, bad tackling, bad blocking just bad everything![/quote]

    Punting game is great, though.
    (eye-roll)

    Question for the Day:
    If you scramble all the teams in today’s matchups (inluding Texas-Texas A&M) every way possible, do the Lions end up the underdoog no matter what?

    What’s all this whining I see about some NFL channel? Right now the Lions game is on CBS and the other game is listed as being on Fox at 3. The Lions look more dull than the Giants in their home jersey. The Lions should add some weird silver/white striping, similar to the mid-60’s Eagles, and just explain it as a jersey from an earlier era, like the 30’s. Don’t think anyone would care, since it’s the Lions, but they’d look neat.
    Go Longhorns!

    btw, Happy Thanksgiving, everyone.
    And, guys, explain to the women that a couch will actually rise from the floor during football telecasts, and that it the man’s job to hold that sucker down. They won’t believe it but if prevail, you’ll be able to show them how it doesn’t move an inch while you’re on the job.

    —Ricko

    the lions look like theyre wearing practice uniforms. they look very training camp without any kind of ornamentation at all. incredibly boring. maybe looking like a practice squad makes them play like a practice squad.

    [quote comment=”302364″]What’s all this whining I see about some NFL channel? Right now the Lions game is on CBS and the other game is listed as being on Fox at 3. The Lions look more dull than the Giants in their home jersey. The Lions should add some weird silver/white striping, similar to the mid-60’s Eagles, and just explain it as a jersey from an earlier era, like the 30’s. Don’t think anyone would care, since it’s the Lions, but they’d look neat.
    Go Longhorns![/quote]

    Or like the mid to late 60’s Lions.

    One thing that would help, in terms of being true to the era but would be unpopular with many here, is white ankle socks (and maybe white shoelaces). That’s actually what the Lions wore in the late 40’s and through the 50’s. They had TV numbers from mid-50’s or so, too.

    Kerry Collins has a piece of clear tape over the valve used to pump up the helmet, its the one on the back of his helmet.

    Apparently the Eagles are wearing black tonight if you believe that a “blackout” means everyone on the field wearing black too.

    source: link

    Anyway to know what unis they are rocking before the game?

    I don’t know if anyone else was watching NBC’s coverage of the Macy’s Thanksgiving Day Parade, but if you were then you, me, and everyone else watching the Cartoon Network performance got Rickrolled.

    I have been watching the NBC parade..and I turned over to CBS. 35-3 right before halftme? They’re giving throwbacks a bad name.

    [quote comment=”302367″][quote comment=”302364″]What’s all this whining I see about some NFL channel? Right now the Lions game is on CBS and the other game is listed as being on Fox at 3. The Lions look more dull than the Giants in their home jersey. The Lions should add some weird silver/white striping, similar to the mid-60’s Eagles, and just explain it as a jersey from an earlier era, like the 30’s. Don’t think anyone would care, since it’s the Lions, but they’d look neat.
    Go Longhorns![/quote]

    Or like the mid to late 60’s Lions.

    One thing that would help, in terms of being true to the era but would be unpopular with many here, is white ankle socks (and maybe white shoelaces). That’s actually what the Lions wore in the late 40’s and through the 50’s. They had TV numbers from mid-50’s or so, too.[/quote]
    Y’know, the Lions don’t need to go link at all to find inspiration for a link.

    [quote comment=”302371″]I have been watching the NBC parade..and I turned over to CBS. 35-3 right before halftme? They’re giving throwbacks a bad name.[/quote]

    Yes, but at least they have a proud tradition of doing that.
    (serious eye-roll)

    [quote comment=”302331″]my understanding is that the Lions WILL be wearing their throwback uniforms with the logo-less helmets. They also wore them for the game on Nov 9 against Jacksonville when they unveiled the all-time time at halftime as part of their 75th season in Detroit. Also, Corey Schlesinger will be the Lions’ honorary captain today.[/quote]
    To go back a week or two, the Lions’ throwbacks are missing TV numbers as well. On the other design front, they are also wearing solid blue socks, so no fines for their players going low or no whites.

    [quote comment=”302372″][quote comment=”302367″][quote comment=”302364″]What’s all this whining I see about some NFL channel? Right now the Lions game is on CBS and the other game is listed as being on Fox at 3. The Lions look more dull than the Giants in their home jersey. The Lions should add some weird silver/white striping, similar to the mid-60’s Eagles, and just explain it as a jersey from an earlier era, like the 30’s. Don’t think anyone would care, since it’s the Lions, but they’d look neat.
    Go Longhorns![/quote]

    Or like the mid to late 60’s Lions.

    One thing that would help, in terms of being true to the era but would be unpopular with many here, is white ankle socks (and maybe white shoelaces). That’s actually what the Lions wore in the late 40’s and through the 50’s. They had TV numbers from mid-50’s or so, too.[/quote]
    Y’know, the Lions don’t need to go link at all to find inspiration for a link.[/quote]

    Or even just a bit farther (early 60’s; before they added the white) for a decent looking one.
    link

    [quote comment=”302345″]bad news….Eagles are wearing black jerseys and trying to get fans to wear black. I really wish the Eagles would wear the early 90’s jerseys for the game tonight.[/quote]

    Those Randall Cunningham-era Eagles uniforms were beautiful. How long did they wear them? Is there an Eagles uniforms timeline? Their current kit, which I don’t like at all, has been in use for quite a long time, I think.

    [quote comment=”302347″]I get tired of hearing Mike Greenberg use the Mike and Mike show as a platform to get the Lions off Thanksgiving. He’s been on it for like three years now. Can’t they just have their day? I mean it’s tradition. Plus, with the NFL Network, the league can schedule a third game sans the Lions or Cowboys so win-win.[/quote]
    I’ll agree, but I also heard another ESPN broadcaster talk about how Goodell is for progress, and how he might “hurt” tradition. Thanksgiving Day puts the spotlight on football, and no casual fan in their right mind would want to watch a bad product.
    Traditions are nice, but they prevent change. If there is good reason for change, e.g. to get better TV ratings and a little more ad money, then it should happen. If the Lions and Cowboys are each doing relatively well, then let them host the games. If they’re in a slump, take it away from them until they improve.
    [quote comment=”302339″]That’s a good point. Why do they wear blue throwbacks, anyway? Why not white?[/quote]
    Back to uni’s: what’s interesting is that they wore “throwbacks” in 1994 for the 75th anniversary of the NFL, and I think it was more of a variation of the white throwback.

    Happy turkey day! I’m thankful for Uni Watch!

    Here’s a new onion article I figured you guys would get a kick out of…

    link

    [quote comment=”302376″][quote comment=”302345″]bad news….Eagles are wearing black jerseys and trying to get fans to wear black. I really wish the Eagles would wear the early 90’s jerseys for the game tonight.[/quote]

    Those Randall Cunningham-era Eagles uniforms were beautiful. How long did they wear them? Is there an Eagles uniforms timeline? Their current kit, which I don’t like at all, has been in use for quite a long time, I think.[/quote]
    The Cunningham-era look was great, as was the Jaworski kit. The current ones are dreck.

    [quote comment=”302342″][quote comment=”302339″]
    [quote comment=”302338″]I think it’s a good thing the ‘Boys won’t be wearing throwbacks today. They just don’t look right wearing dark uniforms at home.[/quote]
    That’s a good point. Why do they wear blue throwbacks, anyway? Why not white?[/quote]

    Duh because white throwbacks will look to similar to the current ones so whats the point[/quote]

    That is sarcasm, right? link Basically they’re the same as the blue throwbacks with the color reversed.

    And in Boston we called it stuffing, but now I’m living in Greenville SC and it’s dressing here? No wonder no one here can understand me.

    [quote comment=”302380″][quote comment=”302342″][quote comment=”302339″]
    [quote comment=”302338″]I think it’s a good thing the ‘Boys won’t be wearing throwbacks today. They just don’t look right wearing dark uniforms at home.[/quote]
    That’s a good point. Why do they wear blue throwbacks, anyway? Why not white?[/quote]

    Duh because white throwbacks will look to similar to the current ones so whats the point[/quote]

    That is sarcasm, right? link Basically they’re the same as the blue throwbacks with the color reversed.

    And in Boston we called it stuffing, but now I’m living in Greenville SC and it’s dressing here? No wonder no one here can understand me.[/quote]

    I think that was the point – why have a white throwback that looks exactly like the current blue one.

    And, as Moose has correctly pointed out, it’s as simple as this: Stuffing – cooked inside the bird. Dressing – cooked outside the bird.

    Happy Thanksgiving my American friends… now back to work for me (in Canada)…

    [quote comment=”302377″][quote comment=”302347″]I get tired of hearing Mike Greenberg use the Mike and Mike show as a platform to get the Lions off Thanksgiving. He’s been on it for like three years now. Can’t they just have their day? I mean it’s tradition. Plus, with the NFL Network, the league can schedule a third game sans the Lions or Cowboys so win-win.[/quote]
    I’ll agree, but I also heard another ESPN broadcaster talk about how Goodell is for progress, and how he might “hurt” tradition. Thanksgiving Day puts the spotlight on football, and no casual fan in their right mind would want to watch a bad product.
    Traditions are nice, but they prevent change. If there is good reason for change, e.g. to get better TV ratings and a little more ad money, then it should happen. If the Lions and Cowboys are each doing relatively well, then let them host the games. If they’re in a slump, take it away from them until they improve.
    [quote comment=”302339″]That’s a good point. Why do they wear blue throwbacks, anyway? Why not white?[/quote]
    Back to uni’s: what’s interesting is that they wore “throwbacks” in 1994 for the 75th anniversary of the NFL, and I think it was more of a variation of the white throwback.[/quote]

    I’m getting real tired about how people in markets outside of Dallas and Detroit talk about the Thanksgiving Day Game. I hate to break it to you, but to steal a phrase constantly used here, you guys just Don’t Get It.

    In Detroit, we don’t get much enjoyment out of our Lions. But, even on a day like today where we are getting clobbered, I’m content. Why, because this is the only game of the year that a Lions fan can get excited about. I’ve either attended or watched every one of these games with my family since I was about 5. Watching this game is my Christmas get together, in the good times and the bad. It’s a Michigan tradition that predates the NFL Network, the Nielson Ratings and most of the teams in the National Football League.

    I’m very sorry about the rant, but this is really getting to me. I do wholeheartedly wish everyone a Happy Thanksgiving, no matter what you are doing today.

    I am thankful today for my Lions, for my family and for the wonderful times that I spend on this board. You guys are the best!

    [quote comment=”302379″][quote comment=”302376″][quote comment=”302345″]bad news….Eagles are wearing black jerseys and trying to get fans to wear black. I really wish the Eagles would wear the early 90’s jerseys for the game tonight.[/quote]

    Those Randall Cunningham-era Eagles uniforms were beautiful. How long did they wear them? Is there an Eagles uniforms timeline? Their current kit, which I don’t like at all, has been in use for quite a long time, I think.[/quote]
    The Cunningham-era look was great, as was the Jaworski kit. The current ones are dreck.[/quote]

    i believe that these current jerseys have been in action for about 10 years roughly. I have a Cunningham jersey complete with a Jerome Brown 99 patch on it.

    [quote comment=”302384″][quote comment=”302379″][quote comment=”302376″][quote comment=”302345″]bad news….Eagles are wearing black jerseys and trying to get fans to wear black. I really wish the Eagles would wear the early 90’s jerseys for the game tonight.[/quote]

    Those Randall Cunningham-era Eagles uniforms were beautiful. How long did they wear them? Is there an Eagles uniforms timeline? Their current kit, which I don’t like at all, has been in use for quite a long time, I think.[/quote]
    The Cunningham-era look was great, as was the Jaworski kit. The current ones are dreck.[/quote]

    i believe that these current jerseys have been in action for about 10 years roughly. I have a Cunningham jersey complete with a Jerome Brown 99 patch on it.[/quote]

    The Eagles need to go back to Kelly green and silver.

    Here’s a little wrench to throw into the stuffing v dressing arguement: What if the cooking process is started outside of the bird, perhaps in a microwave, and then completed within the confines of the turkey?

    My famiy, we have two stuffing/dressing plates. My grandmother, from Boston, makes oyster dressing. My mother, from the South, makes cornbread stuffing. So how’s that for covering all the bases!

    [quote comment=”302390″]Here’s a little wrench to throw into the stuffing v dressing arguement: What if the cooking process is started outside of the bird, perhaps in a microwave, and then completed within the confines of the turkey?[/quote]

    Stuffed dressing :P

    [quote comment=”302395″]i wish the cardinals would go throwbacks
    link

    what about white on red?
    link

    I wish the Cardinals would go 0fer the rest of the year and the Seahawks would win out.

    Shame it won’t happen.

    [quote comment=”302362″]Question for the Day:
    If you scramble all the teams in today’s matchups (inluding Texas-Texas A&M) every way possible, do the Lions end up the underdoog no matter what?[/quote]
    YES!

    i hear rumors that Missouri will be wearing gold alts for the Border War game against Kansas on Saturday. I have to work Saturday but..*cough-cough* i’m not feeling too well. we’ll see if i recover by Saturday.

    also….my family calls is stuffing but we don’t put it in the bird. i refuse to eat anything that comes out of an ass.

    [quote comment=”302397″][quote comment=”302362″]Question for the Day:
    If you scramble all the teams in today’s matchups (inluding Texas-Texas A&M) every way possible, do the Lions end up the underdoog no matter what?[/quote]
    YES![/quote]

    The A&M game would be a barn burner though.

    [quote comment=”302399″][quote comment=”302397″][quote comment=”302362″]Question for the Day:
    If you scramble all the teams in today’s matchups (inluding Texas-Texas A&M) every way possible, do the Lions end up the underdoog no matter what?[/quote]
    YES![/quote]

    The A&M game would be a barn burner though.[/quote]
    No, the Lions offense still could get 150 yards on A&M.

    No screengrab, because I’m negligent and forgot the cable that connects my phone to my computer, but what’s going on with Cowboys LB Greg Ellis’s sleeve stripes (esp. his left one)?

    [quote]In Detroit most of north america, we don’t get much enjoyment out of our Lions.[/quote]

    fixed ;)

    Ditto Happy Thanksgiving wishes from here.

    If I may, let me add a THIRD option to the stuffing-dressing debate.

    Here in Central PA, it’s roughly a 60-40 split between stuffing and….FILLING.
    Pretty much nil on it being called dressing in these parts.

    As far as the Lions go, they could go to an all BLACK look and be accurate for a throwback for a future turkey day venture. In 1948 Bo McMillen was coach, he came from Indiana U. and supposedly introduced an all black for the Hoosiers. For a game the Lions played 10/17/1948 at Wrigley Field against the Bears, the Lions wore all black. Helmet, jersey, pants. No lie. Anyone with on-line access to the Chicago Tribune should be able to verify this. I no longer have access.

    [quote]Back to uni’s: what’s interesting is that they wore “throwbacks” in 1994 for the 75th anniversary of the NFL, and I think it was more of a variation of the white throwback.[/quote]

    here’s what they wore in 1994 (the “double star”)…more like today’s unis than the dandy ones…

    i like the early 1960’s whites the best

    Looks like A&M is wearing Fourth Infantry Division insignia on the left chest. Don’t know why.

    [quote comment=”302408″]Looks like A&M is wearing Fourth Infantry Division insignia on the left chest. Don’t know why.[/quote]

    More than likely because the name of the school is Texas Agricultural and Military

    [quote comment=”302406″][quote]Back to uni’s: what’s interesting is that they wore “throwbacks” in 1994 for the 75th anniversary of the NFL, and I think it was more of a variation of the white throwback.[/quote]

    link (the “double star”)…more like today’s unis than link ones…

    i like the early 1960’s whites the best[/quote]

    Loved those..had one. A real Apex game jersey. notice the silver of the pants..matches. I seem to remember Jerry came up with this idea on his own and just sprung em on the league unannounced. I’d be interested to read about that. He did the same with his Nike deal, too. They had to go thru one season with no logo anywhere on the unis..and the coaching staff wore plain white or navy shirts..no branding ANYwhere.
    This was when Apex went under- he went and got his own deal.

    North of Toronto (up to Timmins at least), it’s dressing. East of Toronto (towards Ottawa), it’s stuffing.

    Well, that is the non-scientific divide discovered in arguments I had with my friends at Thanksgiving during uni.

    To sum up.
    Dressing:
    South Carolina, Texas, Central Ontario

    Stuffing:
    Boston, Burgh-town (?), Eastern Ontario

    [quote comment=”302409″][quote comment=”302408″]Looks like A&M is wearing Fourth Infantry Division insignia on the left chest. Don’t know why.[/quote]

    More than likely because the name of the school is Texas Agricultural and Military[/quote]

    Not the case. Texas A&M started as the Agricultural and Mechanical College of Texas. There is a large ROTC program there. They are probably wearing the 4th ID patch as a shout out to Ft. Hood outside of Killeen.

    Having seen these live in person…
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    I will tell you they were (and still are) one of the great looking NFL unis ever. I remember being really disappointed when then went to, basically, what they’re wearing now (first version of the silver helment/silve blue pants uni had three sleeve stripes and sock stripes, btw). Not that the new ones were bad, but the originals, with that unique shoulder treatment, really looked fabulous. I never heard why they changed, but I’ve always figured maybe they thought the first unis were too “Colts” or something.

    —Ricko

    The first silver helmet-unis…with three stripes on sleeves and socks (this image is dark, but they were royal, not navy as they look here)…
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    [quote comment=”302415″]The first silver helmet-unis…with three stripes on sleeves and socks (this image is dark, but they were royal, not navy as they look here)…
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    yup…i always liked the super bowl V generation unis…much nicer blue than today

    [quote comment=”302415″]The first silver helmet-unis…with three stripes on sleeves and socks (this image is dark, but they were royal, not navy as they look here)…
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    Forgot to mention…notice no blue outline on white edge of helmet star. That came when they switched to two stripes on sleeves and socks. Notice, too, that #73 is wearing adidas (or an off-brand of early three-stripe cleats) several years before they became common in football, which was 1970 or so.

    [quote comment=”302414″]Here you go: Original Cowboys unis, both home and road, in same really nifty staged photo…
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    SI Archive link:

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    [quote comment=”302421″]Want one?
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    Bad replica, though. Real ones had no NOB. Plus something’s a little off in the shoulder yoke.

    [quote comment=”302416″]and for those of us, like myself, who don’t get NFLN…link time in philly[/quote]

    Holy crap, that’s the straw that breaks the camels back. Black for black’s sake has got to go. I’ve never been an Eagles fan but I always loved the kelly green unis/helmets with silver wings. How come they couldn’t throwback to those unis tonight? These are more like throw-up unis! (insert rimshot here)

    For a few years, the NFL even modified its homepage to show old-style logos for all the teams during Thanksgiving week, even though only the teams who played on Thanksgiving actually wore throwbacks. I liked that touch.

    Taking away Thanksgiving Day from the Lions would be like forcing the Reds to open on the road or making the Red Sox play away from Boston on Patriots Day.

    “Taking away Thanksgiving Day from the Lions would be like..”

    I was thinking about that. The Cowboys blew out the Seawhawks, and no one is suggesting the Cowboys lose the traditional Thanksgiving Day gig because they’re likely to clobber someone, making for an equally lousy game to watch.

    I mean, according the basic principles of “Logic 101”, if one extreme is an issue, its opposite must be, too.

    [quote comment=”302429″]”Taking away Thanksgiving Day from the Lions would be like..”

    I was thinking about that. The Cowboys blew out the Seawhawks, and no one is suggesting the Cowboys lose the traditional Thanksgiving Day gig because they’re likely to clobber someone, making for an equally lousy game to watch.

    I mean, according the basic principles of “Logic 101”, if one extreme is an issue, its opposite must be, too.[/quote]

    Ricko, I completly agree. For those people that are crying about moving the Dallas and Detroit games, I think that was the NFL’s purpose for the night game. It hasn’t been in the same place since it started. Lets not screw with tradition just to screw with it.

    In all the 30 plus years that I have watched the Detroit Lions I have never seen them play as poorly as they did today. They are an embarassment to the NFL and the city of Detroit. I don’t think that the NFL will eliminate the Thanksgiving game in Detroit. It would cause a huge uproar (something the Lions can’t do) from fans. What they could do is switch the opponents the Lions and Cowboys play. A Titans-Cowboys match up would have great to see and the Lions-Seahawks would have been more evenly matched.

    It is kind of sad that the people of Michigan continually support the Lions in such great numbers. They love the home team, no matter what. Too bad the Ford family doesn’t respond to this loyality by fielding a decent team. With the continuing demise of the American auto industry, the loyality of Detroit fans is both admirable and a little pathetic.

    The Fords need to sell the Lions to an owner like Mike Illitch, who could hire the right people, as he did for the Tigers and Red Wings, and then leave them alone.

    Dressing is stuffing if you bake it in the turkey.

    A bit of Thanksgiving nostalgia (and wishful thinking), if I may…

    Fifty years ago, the only games on Thanksgiving were the Packers-Lions and Texas-Texas A&M. Always. My earliest memories of football on TV, in fact. In believe the ’56 game was the first nationally televised regular-season NFL game.

    Then along came the AFL in 1960, which early-on began scheduling TWO games on Thanksgiving, one on the east coast (Titans, maybe?) and one in Denver, which doubled the number of games and really began turning Thanksgiving football into what it has become.

    The Dallas game was added in ’67, I believe, and for many, many years the opponent always was the Redskins…and the games usually were frickin’ great. So, most of the time, were the Packers-Lions games because, even if one of the teams were bad, the old rivalry kicked in.

    When the two leagues merged fully in 1970, the idea of rotating opponents began, first for the Lions (I think it was the Raiders who were the first non-Packer team to get that game). Washington stayed the Cowboy opponent for awhile, though, giving us memories like the Clint Longley game in the 70’s…but eventually that went away, too.

    I suppose the theory was to attract different TV markets.

    The trouble with rotating, though, is that once in awhile you’re gonna get a team riding high playing a team that’s sucking wind. Okay, so the Lions suck a LOT of wind lately, but had the natural rotation put, say, the Rams or Niners in Detroit today, it might have been a far better game than what we got.

    My idea: Go back to Packers-Lions and Redskins-Cowboys—always—and let the rivalries drive the excitement. The NFL, you would think, is smart enough to realize those games attract audiences nationwide.

    Problem is, that elminates the AFC. Fine, let it all hang out and schedule, say, the Chiefs in Oakland and the Jets in Miami every Thanksgiving Day/Night, too. Have the games start at noon, 3, 6 and 9 EST. What the hell, most of the country’s off Friday, anyway.

    Nah, they’d never do it. Makes too much sense.

    And the women of America would revolt.

    Okay…who today heard at least once, “Isn’t there something on besides football?”

    —Ricko

    [quote comment=”302405″]
    As far as the Lions go, they could go to an all BLACK look and be accurate for a throwback for a future turkey day venture. In 1948 Bo McMillen was coach, he came from Indiana U. and supposedly introduced an all black for the Hoosiers. For a game the Lions played 10/17/1948 at Wrigley Field against the Bears, the Lions wore all black. Helmet, jersey, pants. No lie. Anyone with on-line access to the Chicago Tribune should be able to verify this. I no longer have access.[/quote]
    Well, I’ll be damned…

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    …The coloring style was even carried into the NFL where the Detroit Lions wore colored helmets depicting their positions.

    Apparently, the first coach to initiate this policy was Alvin “Bo” McMillin at Indiana. McMillin, a great offensive innovator, won the Big Ten championship in 1945 running a trick combination T-Single Wing offense with an unbalanced line. In 1946 Indiana used a model which was a round, smooth plastic helmet to facilitate the identification of eligible pass receivers. McMillin had the ends and backs helmets painted red, the tackles, guards and center wore black.

    Indiana’s school colors are cream and crimson. McMillin, however, always dressed his varsity in black. The pants, jerseys and helmets were solid black with red jerseys sometimes being used. White jerseys were sparingly introduced after World War II.

    The color combination of red for eligible pass receivers, and black for interior lines was used in 1946 and 1947 at Indiana. McMillin left Indiana in 1948 to coach the Detroit Lions of the NFL and he kept this same red/black concept, abandoning the traditional Honolulu blue and silver colors of the Lions. Detroit wore the same black pants with the black/red jerseys and helmet identification. He also ran the unbalanced line, Single Wing-T offense…

    [quote comment=”302434″]
    Okay…who today heard at least once, “Isn’t there something on besides football?”[/quote]
    Worse — it was “Can’t we turn off this terrible, violent sport?”

    “No.”

    [quote comment=”302411″]North of Toronto (up to Timmins at least), it’s dressing. East of Toronto (towards Ottawa), it’s stuffing.

    Well, that is the non-scientific divide discovered in arguments I had with my friends at Thanksgiving during uni.

    To sum up.
    Dressing:
    South Carolina, Texas, Central Ontario

    Stuffing:
    Boston, Burgh-town (?), Eastern Ontario[/quote]

    Burgh-town is better known as Pittsburgh.

    As much as I almost lost my lunch today by watch that Detroit game. I do think it’s about time they change the lineups. Granted I remember growing up and watching some fairly good Lions games…ie. vs. Chicago, Minnesota, back in the day. There day is done. How about a Super Bowl rematch or the losers of the AFC/NFC championship from the year before? Or how about some GOOD RIVALRIES…ie..Dallas vs. Wash or NYG, Pitt vs. Cleve, GB vs Chi, etc…give them a 2 year contract playing at each others stadium, and then pick 2-3 games for the next 2 years? SOunds good to me!

    [quote comment=”302437″][quote comment=”302411″]North of Toronto (up to Timmins at least), it’s dressing. East of Toronto (towards Ottawa), it’s stuffing.

    Well, that is the non-scientific divide discovered in arguments I had with my friends at Thanksgiving during uni.

    To sum up.
    Dressing:
    South Carolina, Texas, Central Ontario

    Stuffing:
    Boston, Burgh-town (?), Eastern Ontario[/quote]

    Burgh-town is better known as Pittsburgh.[/quote]

    Living in the suburbs I can officially concur….There is NO BURG TOWN….it’s simply know as THE BURG….yinz must be hoy paloy in Sewickly en’at.

    [quote comment=”302434″]A bit of Thanksgiving nostalgia (and wishful thinking), if I may…

    Fifty years ago, the only games on Thanksgiving were the Packers-Lions and Texas-Texas A&M. Always. My earliest memories of football on TV, in fact. In believe the ’56 game was the first nationally televised regular-season NFL game.

    Then along came the AFL in 1960, which early-on began scheduling TWO games on Thanksgiving, one on the east coast (Titans, maybe?) and one in Denver, which doubled the number of games and really began turning Thanksgiving football into what it has become.

    The Dallas game was added in ’67, I believe, and for many, many years the opponent always was the Redskins…and the games usually were frickin’ great. So, most of the time, were the Packers-Lions games because, even if one of the teams were bad, the old rivalry kicked in.

    When the two leagues merged fully in 1970, the idea of rotating opponents began, first for the Lions (I think it was the Raiders who were the first non-Packer team to get that game). Washington stayed the Cowboy opponent for awhile, though, giving us memories like the Clint Longley game in the 70’s…but eventually that went away, too.

    I suppose the theory was to attract different TV markets.

    The trouble with rotating, though, is that once in awhile you’re gonna get a team riding high playing a team that’s sucking wind. Okay, so the Lions suck a LOT of wind lately, but had the natural rotation put, say, the Rams or Niners in Detroit today, it might have been a far better game than what we got.

    My idea: Go back to Packers-Lions and Redskins-Cowboys—always—and let the rivalries drive the excitement. The NFL, you would think, is smart enough to realize those games attract audiences nationwide.

    Problem is, that elminates the AFC. Fine, let it all hang out and schedule, say, the Chiefs in Oakland and the Jets in Miami every Thanksgiving Day/Night, too. Have the games start at noon, 3, 6 and 9 EST. What the hell, most of the country’s off Friday, anyway.

    Nah, they’d never do it. Makes too much sense.

    And the women of America would revolt.

    Okay…who today heard at least once, “Isn’t there something on besides football?”

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Time for one of those good old Old man-young man comparisons. People of my generation only know of the NFL on Thursday, NU-CU and Tx-TAM on Friday Thanksgiving schedule. We’re also lot locked into any particular matchup on Thanksgiving, though I do personally enjoy a Packers-Lions game just a little more than others. The new night game on NFLN doesn’t efect me much, except to give me a few more work hours, because our cable doesn’t carry it.

    [quote comment=”302439″][quote comment=”302437″][quote comment=”302411″]North of Toronto (up to Timmins at least), it’s dressing. East of Toronto (towards Ottawa), it’s stuffing.

    Well, that is the non-scientific divide discovered in arguments I had with my friends at Thanksgiving during uni.

    To sum up.
    Dressing:
    South Carolina, Texas, Central Ontario

    Stuffing:
    Boston, Burgh-town (?), Eastern Ontario[/quote]

    Burgh-town is better known as Pittsburgh.[/quote]

    Living in the suburbs I can officially concur….There is NO BURG TOWN….it’s simply know as THE BURG….yinz must be hoy paloy in Sewickly en’at.[/quote]

    Even more names I’ve heard…Steel-Town, 3 Rivers, Blitzburg, Picksburg,…but Burg Town…thats new by me…wtf?

    “People of my generation only know of the NFL on Thursday, NU-CU and Tx-TAM on Friday Thanksgiving schedule. We’re also not locked into any particular matchup on Thanksgiving…”

    That’s kinda what I meant. You aren’t locked into traditional Thanksgiving NFL matchups because you’ve never seen any, and that’s too bad. I was trying to give a bit of historical context and perspective that such games generally made for better viewing.

    You mention NCAA games that are true traditional rivalries. But the NFL has taken the fun out of that…by eliminating it. Can’t build much of a rivalry if you have to ask, “Who’s our ‘traditional Thanksgiving opponent’ this year?”

    And I meant air my mythical late games where they’d be available to a larger audience, not the NFL Private Channel (How much longer is the NFL gonna cling to an idea that shows no real evidence of catching on, btw?).

    —Ricko

    family from mid-atlantic (PA to VA) and various members have used all three terms stuffing/dressing/filling interchangeable (except it’s always oyster dressing).

    but for what it’s worth the term dressing is just a late 19th century Victorian era construct because stuffing was thought to be too sexual.

    [quote comment=”302442″]”People of my generation only know of the NFL on Thursday, NU-CU and Tx-TAM on Friday Thanksgiving schedule. We’re also not locked into any particular matchup on Thanksgiving…”

    That’s kinda what I meant. You aren’t locked into traditional Thanksgiving NFL matchups because you’ve never seen any, and that’s too bad. I was trying to give a bit of historical context and perspective that such games generally made for better viewing.

    You mention NCAA games that are true traditional rivalries. But the NFL has taken the fun out of that…by eliminating it. Can’t build much of a rivalry if you have to ask, “Who’s our ‘traditional Thanksgiving opponent’ this year?”

    And I meant air my mythical late games where they’d be available to a larger audience, not the NFL Private Channel (How much longer is the NFL gonna cling to an idea that shows no real evidence of catching on, btw?).

    —Ricko[/quote]

    One of the great things about the CFL – every year, the Labour Day matchups are the same – Edmonton at Calgary, Winnipeg at Regina, Toronto at Hamilton, with return matches the following weekend. Makes for some very highly anticipated games every year.

    [quote comment=”302434″]A bit of Thanksgiving nostalgia (and wishful thinking), if I may…

    Fifty years ago, the only games on Thanksgiving were the Packers-Lions and Texas-Texas A&M. Always. My earliest memories of football on TV, in fact. In believe the ’56 game was the first nationally televised regular-season NFL game.

    Then along came the AFL in 1960, which early-on began scheduling TWO games on Thanksgiving, one on the east coast (Titans, maybe?) and one in Denver, which doubled the number of games and really began turning Thanksgiving football into what it has become.

    The Dallas game was added in ’67, I believe, and for many, many years the opponent always was the Redskins…and the games usually were frickin’ great. So, most of the time, were the Packers-Lions games because, even if one of the teams were bad, the old rivalry kicked in.

    When the two leagues merged fully in 1970, the idea of rotating opponents began, first for the Lions (I think it was the Raiders who were the first non-Packer team to get that game). Washington stayed the Cowboy opponent for awhile, though, giving us memories like the Clint Longley game in the 70’s…but eventually that went away, too.

    I suppose the theory was to attract different TV markets.

    The trouble with rotating, though, is that once in awhile you’re gonna get a team riding high playing a team that’s sucking wind. Okay, so the Lions suck a LOT of wind lately, but had the natural rotation put, say, the Rams or Niners in Detroit today, it might have been a far better game than what we got.

    My idea: Go back to Packers-Lions and Redskins-Cowboys—always—and let the rivalries drive the excitement. The NFL, you would think, is smart enough to realize those games attract audiences nationwide.

    Problem is, that elminates the AFC. Fine, let it all hang out and schedule, say, the Chiefs in Oakland and the Jets in Miami every Thanksgiving Day/Night, too. Have the games start at noon, 3, 6 and 9 EST. What the hell, most of the country’s off Friday, anyway.

    Nah, they’d never do it. Makes too much sense.

    And the women of America would revolt.

    Okay…who today heard at least once, “Isn’t there something on besides football?”

    —Ricko[/quote]

    The NFL has to have an AFC team play in one of the games so its AFC broadcast partner will have a game to show. As the rules stand right now, Fox would get to broadcast both games if they were divisional match-ups for the Lions and Cowboys.

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