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Monday Morning Uni Watch

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I could be wrong about this, but I’m fairly certain I’ve never been the victim of a wedgie. I suppose there could possibly have been a summer camp incident so dreadful that I’ve blocked it out of my memory banks, but I don’t think so. In the long catalog of life’s indignities, I believe this is one I’ve been spared.

All of which means there’s at least one thing I don’t have in common with Brian Westbrook.

That photo from yesterday’s Ravens/Eagles game, a smaller version of which first surfaced in yesterday’s comments, is disturbing and compelling on all sorts of levels. Among the questions that come to mind: Did Westbrook get a new jockstrap after this play? Should this be a penalty (sort of the derriere version of a facemask)? And, most importantly, if reaching under a guy’s shoulder pads is a horse-collar tackle, what name should we give this maneuver?

When you think about it, it’s kinda surprising this type of thing doesn’t happen more often, no?

Commenting rules for the day: No Seinfeld quotes (we’ve all seen that episode, thanks), no photos of chicks with G-strings up their butt cracks, and no wedgie photos with my face Photoshopped onto the victim. Photoshopping Phil’s face, however, is fine.

Signal Flare: Art Savokinas, I’m trying to contact you but my e-mails keep bouncing. Can you give me a quick shout?

Uni Watch News Ticker: On Friday I linked to these Kitchener Rangers Remembrance Day trading cards. Now Mike Hersh informs me that the card design is based on the 1954-55 Topps set. … The Syracuse Chiefs have a new alternate logo and cap (with thanks to long-lost Jeff Katz — welcome aboard, buddy). … Interesting note from Travis Lan, who writes: “Soccer coach Miller Bugliari recently won his 700th game at the Pingry School in Martinsville, N.J. To honor the occasion, each player was presented with a new jersey with ‘Bugliari’ as the NOB. In addition, the jerseys have red sleeve patches celebrating coach Bugliari’s 50 years coaching at the school.” … Nice view here of the NFL’s 50th-anniversary patch (with thanks to JC Helf). … The Sharks have unveiled their black alternate jersey. … Loyola will wear 1970s throwbacks on December 13th. … And the Rams will wear throwbacks next season (with thanks to James Poisso). … Personally, I never much liked the Obama campaign logo, but here’s an interview with the guy who designed it (thanks, Kirsten). … Chris Bisbee recently visited the Smithsonian Air and Space museum and noticed they had a good display of steward/stewardess uniforms from the ’30s and ’40s. “I was really taken in by the ‘Flagship Fleet’ armband on the American Airlines uniform and just the sheer style of the Eastern Airlines uniform.” … Jeffrey Bethune had to make a web site for a class assignment, so he decided to make one about Chicago sports uniforms. … Interesting two-tone hockey helmet here (with thanks to Dustin Pomprowitz). … Cardinals WR Steve Breaston lost a shoe at one point during yesterday’s game (thanks, Phil), while Frank Gore lost his helmet (additional pics here and here). … Check out this amazing 1960s South Carolina helmet (nice find by Beau Franklin). … Lee Wilds reports that Titans GM Mike Reinfelt was on the radio on Friday and said the Titans would be wearing a 1961 Oilers throwback uniform at some point, probably next season. … Last Monday I noted that Lance Briggs’s helmet decal was partially dislodged. But in that same game, Josh Beekman’s decal was completely gone (with thanks to Steve Johnston). … Speaking of which, Indiana had some helmet decal problems on Saturday. … Anyone know why Tim Jamsion went NNOB on Saturday? (Screen grab courtesy of Patrick Coletta.) … Blue Demons wearing black — yeah, that makes a lot of sense (with thanks to Jonathan Cain). … Good shot here of Kurt Warner getting his helmet inflated (thanks, Phil). … Montana wore throwbacks against Montana State. Lots of additional pics in this slideshow (sent my way by Scott Boehler). … Good view here of Tony Romo’s pinkie rig (with thanks to Mike Engle). … Is this really necessary? Like, couldn’t he just tuck it in? … LT’s visor tabs look unusually big, no? … You all realize I meant Phil Knight’s face, right?

 

245 comments to Monday Morning Uni Watch

  • Elena | November 24, 2008 at 8:51 am |

    I have been thoroughly indoctrinated by Uniwatch. I was about to get a passport photo made last week when I noticed a little black Swoosh at the top of my StL Cardinals long-sleeved t shirt. I rummaged around and found a “Shea-Final Season” tack-pin in my purse,which covered it nicely. It was cropped out of the photo anyway, but I’d hate to have carried a sign of the evil empire on my passport photo for the next 10 years.

  • John | November 24, 2008 at 8:52 am |

    The Atomic Wedgie! LMAO! I was at that game and the play happened on the opposite side if the field from where my seat is. I was watching with my binoculars and saw it plain as day….I was actually worried that if Barnes let go that Westbrook would be sling shotted over the goal line.

  • Glen | November 24, 2008 at 8:53 am |

    Anyone know why Tim Jamsion went NNOB on Saturday?

    He is obviously embarrassed by the dismal season that he and the rest of the Rich-Rod clan have engineered this season.

  • Glen | November 24, 2008 at 8:55 am |

    [quote comment=”301710″]The Atomic Wedgie! LMAO! I was at that game and the play happened on the opposite side if the field from where my seat is. I was watching with my binoculars and saw it plain as day….I was actually worried that if Barnes let go that Westbrook would be sling shotted over the goal line.[/quote]

    It is without a doubt the funniest thing i have seen in a football game.

  • Rob K | November 24, 2008 at 8:59 am |

    Oh man. Tony Romo’s pinky rig looks PAINFUL. My eyes!

  • BluesFan44 | November 24, 2008 at 9:00 am |

    Is it just me, or does the link for Tony Romo’s pinkie ring send you to the Atomic Wedgie photo? (soooo many possible jokes could follow…)

  • Doc | November 24, 2008 at 9:01 am |

    the romo link pulls up the westbrook butt pic for me

  • Paul Lukas | November 24, 2008 at 9:03 am |

    [quote comment=”301715″]the romo link pulls up the westbrook butt pic for me[/quote]

    Now fixed.

  • Hott Rodd | November 24, 2008 at 9:05 am |

    there is quote in the article about the St. Louis throwbacks that says St. Louis can wear them for up to 3 home games. Something about that just doesn’t seem familiar. Has this always been the rule? 3 Home games?

  • L. D. - Belgium | November 24, 2008 at 9:09 am |

    Montana should go back to those colours. Not that they’re are the sharpest colours in the world, but it gives them a unique identity.

  • Scott in Erie | November 24, 2008 at 9:10 am |

    Okay, I’ll take the bait. Why is Singletary’s cross so offensive to you?

  • BlackwaterPark | November 24, 2008 at 9:10 am |

    I believe Tim Jamison had his jersey torn and the team did not have a backup jersey for him. They gave him a jersey with no name and it did not have his normal number.

  • Richard Bruns | November 24, 2008 at 9:16 am |

    Jamison’s normal number is 90. I don’t know whether it was blood or a tear but he came out in the NNOB #78 jersey and the first time he made a play Nessler but some comment about how he’s good in any number.

  • Paul Lukas | November 24, 2008 at 9:27 am |

    [quote comment=”301717″]there is quote in the article about the St. Louis throwbacks that says St. Louis can wear them for up to 3 home games. Something about that just doesn’t seem familiar. Has this always been the rule? 3 Home games?[/quote]

    Including one in the preseason, I think they meant to say.

  • Lose Remerswaal | November 24, 2008 at 9:31 am |

    re: Westbrook, I thought they banned the crackback block years ago.

  • Scott | November 24, 2008 at 9:32 am |

    That Westbrook image is the photo of the year … classic in this day and age of prestine uni standards. Butt crack and all.

    PS, “Blue Demons” in black is no different than “Blue Devils” in black, yet no wiseacres against the Dookies?!

    PSS, Notice the score in that Purdue – IU game … talk about sticker shock!!

  • Hott Rodd | November 24, 2008 at 9:32 am |

    [quote comment=”301722″][quote comment=”301717″]there is quote in the article about the St. Louis throwbacks that says St. Louis can wear them for up to 3 home games. Something about that just doesn’t seem familiar. Has this always been the rule? 3 Home games?[/quote]

    Including one in the preseason, I think they meant to say.[/quote]

    Ok that would make more sense.

  • Matt B | November 24, 2008 at 9:38 am |

    Isn’t what’s happening to Westbrook actually the inverse of a wedgie — the undies are pulled down, not up, so the fabric doesn’t get wedged between the cheeks.

  • MPowers1634 | November 24, 2008 at 9:42 am |

    Phil, This yours?

    http://www.minorleag...

  • MPowers1634 | November 24, 2008 at 9:43 am |

    [quote comment=”301727″]Phil, This yours?

    http://www.minorleag...

    Aw, Hell…look to the right of the Chiefs logo at the top of the page.

  • ScottyJ in WV | November 24, 2008 at 9:44 am |

    [quote comment=”301719″]Okay, I’ll take the bait. Why is Singletary’s cross so offensive to you?[/quote]

    I’m not speaking for Paul, but I think the fact that it was out was the issue. Maybe he thought it looked a little gaudy. Just a guess….

  • Jason Axel | November 24, 2008 at 9:45 am |

    I don’t have a screen grab, but I remember Jamison had a play in one of the first series where he got his jersey snagged on something and it tore and I think it started getting larger, so he just changed to that NNOB jersey…not that it mattered.

  • Ian K | November 24, 2008 at 9:50 am |

    [quote comment=”301729″][quote comment=”301719″]Okay, I’ll take the bait. Why is Singletary’s cross so offensive to you?[/quote]

    I’m not speaking for Paul, but I think the fact that it was out was the issue. Maybe he thought it looked a little gaudy. Just a guess….[/quote]

    If he’s going to wear it outside of his mock turtleneck, wouldn’t it be easier to have the chain completely on the outside?

  • chance | November 24, 2008 at 9:55 am |

    [quote comment=”301729″][quote comment=”301719″]Okay, I’ll take the bait. Why is Singletary’s cross so offensive to you?[/quote]

    I’m not speaking for Paul, but I think the fact that it was out was the issue. Maybe he thought it looked a little gaudy. Just a guess….[/quote]

    He didn’t say it was offensive, just that it would have looked better tucked in.

    Can’t speak for him, but I agree. Things like that seem more about making personal statements, which I don’t happen to think belong on the football field. I don’t like it when athletes scrawl things on their shoes, I don’t like it when baseball players take a Sharpie to their caps, and I’m not a big fan of huge, dangling jewelry.

    There’s a time and a place for everything. He wouldn’t wear that (well, I don’t know, but he shouldn’t wear that) over a suit, and he shouldn’t wear it over his team gear on the sidelines.

    Has nothing to do with the nature of his statement – huge Obama fan, but wouldn’t like it if he was wearing a big button with Barack’s picture on it. Things like that (and the cross) appear to be more of the tired “LOOK AT ME!” mentality that unfortunatly pervades sports.

  • jd | November 24, 2008 at 9:59 am |

    Shouldn’t Westbrook’s experience be called an “Ass Collar” tackle?

  • DenverGregg | November 24, 2008 at 10:00 am |

    Bonus points if Phil Knight’s face is framed by the jockstrap?

    I’d say this tackle style qualifies for the great old phrase “givin’ him the business down there”, but that’s probably too wordy these days.

  • Oscar | November 24, 2008 at 10:00 am |

    Singletary could both express his faith and be UW-savvy by wearing a cross pin on his hat, much like Billy Martin (and others) used to do.

  • MPowers1634 | November 24, 2008 at 10:03 am |

    [quote comment=”301735″]Singletary could both express his faith and be UW-savvy by wearing a cross pin on his hat, much like Billy Martin (and others) used to do.[/quote]

    Fom what we know of Singletary, I don’t imagine that he’s too concerned with what others think of him concerning anything non football or worke ethic related.

  • Ronnie Poore | November 24, 2008 at 10:12 am |

    being a U of South Carolina grad, i really dig seeing that 60s Gamecock helmet. Next season will mark 40 years since the school’s one and only conference title (ACC champs 1969), and i’m hoping Spurrier will go with throwback unis, including that helmet design, for a game.

  • chance | November 24, 2008 at 10:14 am |

    [quote comment=”301735″]Singletary could both express his faith and be UW-savvy by wearing a cross pin on his hat, much like Billy Martin (and others) used to do.[/quote]

    Frankly, I think that’s every bit as tacky, but at least it would be more discrete.

  • MPowers1634 | November 24, 2008 at 10:15 am |

    [quote comment=”301736″][quote comment=”301735″]Singletary could both express his faith and be UW-savvy by wearing a cross pin on his hat, much like Billy Martin (and others) used to do.[/quote]

    From what we know of Singletary, I don’t imagine that he’s too concerned with what others think of him concerning anything non football or work ethic related.[/quote]

  • Ernie | November 24, 2008 at 10:17 am |

    LSU wore a 50 year anniversary patch against Ole Miss for the 1958 National Championship team:

    http://www.2theadvoc...

    They also has the logo painted on the field and Billy Cannon’s name and number 20 were added to the side of Tiger Stadium.

  • Travis | November 24, 2008 at 10:17 am |

    “I could be wrong about this, but I’m fairly certain I’ve never the victim of a wedgie.”

    Anyone else notice that the opening line for today is missing a word? Shouldn’t be “I’ve never BEEN the victim of a wegie?”

  • Ernie | November 24, 2008 at 10:19 am |

    Better photos from the game, patch, unveiling and Magnolia Bowl trophy are available here:

    http://www.lsusports...

  • DJ | November 24, 2008 at 10:23 am |

    [quote comment=\”301732\”][quote comment=\”301729\”][quote comment=\”301719\”]Okay, I\’ll take the bait. Why is Singletary\’s cross so offensive to you?[/quote]

    I\’m not speaking for Paul, but I think the fact that it was out was the issue. Maybe he thought it looked a little gaudy. Just a guess….[/quote]

    He didn\’t say it was offensive, just that it would have looked better tucked in.

    Can\’t speak for him, but I agree. Things like that seem more about making personal statements, which I don\’t happen to think belong on the football field. I don\’t like it when athletes scrawl things on their shoes, I don\’t like it when baseball players take a Sharpie to their caps, and I\’m not a big fan of huge, dangling jewelry.

    There\’s a time and a place for everything. He wouldn\’t wear that (well, I don\’t know, but he shouldn\’t wear that) over a suit, and he shouldn\’t wear it over his team gear on the sidelines.

    Has nothing to do with the nature of his statement – huge Obama fan, but wouldn\’t like it if he was wearing a big button with Barack\’s picture on it. Things like that (and the cross) appear to be more of the tired \”LOOK AT ME!\” mentality that unfortunatly pervades sports.[/quote]
    Plenty of people wear crosses over suits, I don\’t, but plenty of people do – and wearing a visible cross is definitely not the same (or even close to the same) as a player writing on their shoes/eye black/whatever with a Sharpie – and why shouldn\’t he wear it over his team gear? I don\’t think anyone can honestly say his motives were \”Look at Me\” just because he\’s wearing a cross like that – maybe the man wants people to see it and say \”Look at that cross\” or \”Look at God\” instead of \”look at me\” – who knows

  • Oscar | November 24, 2008 at 10:29 am |

    OK, big problems all around with LSU (in addition to the way the laid an egg on Saturday):

    First, the whole season has been the 50th anniversary of the 1958 national championship, and they wait until the last home game of the season to unveil the patch and honor the team? Makes no sense.

    Second, why not have the LSU team wear throwbacks for the game?

    Third, they got the uniforms for the ’58 team wrong. For the ’58 season, the TV numbers were worn above the stripes, as evidenced here in thethis photo from the Sugar Bowl against Clemson, held after the ’58 season: http://farm2.static.....

    The next year, LSU moved the numbers below the stripes (where they remain today), as evident in this photo of Billy Cannon’s punt return against Ole Miss ’59: http://assets.espn.g...

    And when did this whole “Magnolia Bowl” thing start?

  • mark in cincy | November 24, 2008 at 10:34 am |

    [quote comment=”301744″]OK, big problems all around with LSU (in addition to the way the laid an egg on Saturday):

    First, the whole season has been the 50th anniversary of the 1958 national championship, and they wait until the last home game of the season to unveil the patch and honor the team? Makes no sense.

    Second, why not have the LSU team wear throwbacks for the game?

    Third, they got the uniforms for the ’58 team wrong. For the ’58 season, the TV numbers were worn above the stripes, as evidenced here in thethis photo from the Sugar Bowl against Clemson, held after the ’58 season: http://farm2.static.....

    The next year, LSU moved the numbers below the stripes (where they remain today), as evident in this photo of Billy Cannon’s punt return against Ole Miss ’59:

    http://assets.espn.g...

    And when did this whole “Magnolia Bowl” thing start?[/quote]
    i believe they (they being CBS) announced during the game that this was the first year for the magnolia bowl … and that trophy is a tad ugly imho

  • chance | November 24, 2008 at 10:39 am |

    [quote comment=”301743″][quote comment=\”301732\”][quote comment=\”301729\”][quote comment=\”301719\”]Okay, I\’ll take the bait. Why is Singletary\’s cross so offensive to you?[/quote]

    I\’m not speaking for Paul, but I think the fact that it was out was the issue. Maybe he thought it looked a little gaudy. Just a guess….[/quote]

    He didn\’t say it was offensive, just that it would have looked better tucked in.

    Can\’t speak for him, but I agree. Things like that seem more about making personal statements, which I don\’t happen to think belong on the football field. I don\’t like it when athletes scrawl things on their shoes, I don\’t like it when baseball players take a Sharpie to their caps, and I\’m not a big fan of huge, dangling jewelry.

    There\’s a time and a place for everything. He wouldn\’t wear that (well, I don\’t know, but he shouldn\’t wear that) over a suit, and he shouldn\’t wear it over his team gear on the sidelines.

    Has nothing to do with the nature of his statement – huge Obama fan, but wouldn\’t like it if he was wearing a big button with Barack\’s picture on it. Things like that (and the cross) appear to be more of the tired \”LOOK AT ME!\” mentality that unfortunatly pervades sports.[/quote]
    Plenty of people wear crosses over suits, I don\’t, but plenty of people do – and wearing a visible cross is definitely not the same (or even close to the same) as a player writing on their shoes/eye black/whatever with a Sharpie – and why shouldn\’t he wear it over his team gear? I don\’t think anyone can honestly say his motives were \”Look at Me\” just because he\’s wearing a cross like that – maybe the man wants people to see it and say \”Look at that cross\” or \”Look at God\” instead of \”look at me\” – who knows[/quote]

    Maybe it is. We don’t know the man’s heart.

    But it is certainly a reasonable reading of the situation that anybody who wears jewelry that big is calling attention to themselves.

    Either way, political statements don’t belong on the football field. Especially when you’re wearing a uniform, as all coaches do these days.

  • Peter | November 24, 2008 at 10:40 am |

    Couldn’t we have a Uni-Watch Bowl presented by (insert highest bidder here) and we can award the winning team Membership cards in thier uni-fonts/colors?

    Im sure some schools like Marist vs Albany would jump at this in 1/2 a second

  • Justin in AR | November 24, 2008 at 10:45 am |

    [quote comment=”301745″][quote comment=”301744″]OK, big problems all around with LSU (in addition to the way the laid an egg on Saturday):

    First, the whole season has been the 50th anniversary of the 1958 national championship, and they wait until the last home game of the season to unveil the patch and honor the team? Makes no sense.

    Second, why not have the LSU team wear throwbacks for the game?

    Third, they got the uniforms for the ’58 team wrong. For the ’58 season, the TV numbers were worn above the stripes, as evidenced here in thethis photo from the Sugar Bowl against Clemson, held after the ’58 season: http://farm2.static.....

    The next year, LSU moved the numbers below the stripes (where they remain today), as evident in this photo of Billy Cannon’s punt return against Ole Miss ’59:

    http://assets.espn.g...

    And when did this whole “Magnolia Bowl” thing start?[/quote]
    i believe they (they being CBS) announced during the game that this was the first year for the magnolia bowl … and that trophy is a tad ugly imho[/quote]

    Yeah. This year is the first year of the Magnolia Bowl. Technically, Ole Miss and LSU have had a long rivalry, but this year decided to call it something and give away a dumb trophy to the winner.
    The student bodies of LSU and Mississippi decided to call the game the “Magnolia Bowl” and award a trophy to the winner. The Magnolia is the state flower of both Louisiana and Mississippi. So, there’s a little history on that. But the trophy is atrocious, I agree.

  • Jake E | November 24, 2008 at 10:53 am |

    two-tone hockey helmets are actually no big deal anymore, now that Cascade makes customizable brain buckets: http://www.inlinewar...

  • JTH | November 24, 2008 at 10:53 am |

    Anyone got a pic of that play (kick return? only caught the tail-end of the highlight.) where the lead blocker lost his helmet on the play and he carried it all the way down the field?

    And what the hell was on Cris Collinsworth’s tie last night? Doilies?

  • Jim Bullard | November 24, 2008 at 11:01 am |

    [quote comment=”301718″]Montana should go back to those colours. Not that they’re are the sharpest colours in the world, but it gives them a unique identity.[/quote]

    I agree, Montana’s throwbacks are sweet.

  • Scott in Erie | November 24, 2008 at 11:05 am |

    [quote comment=”301746″]
    Either way, political statements don’t belong on the football field. Especially when you’re wearing a uniform, as all coaches do these days.[/quote]

    How is wearing a cross a political statement? Isn’t it a religious statement?

  • chance | November 24, 2008 at 11:09 am |

    [quote comment=”301752″][quote comment=”301746″]
    Either way, political statements don’t belong on the football field. Especially when you’re wearing a uniform, as all coaches do these days.[/quote]

    How is wearing a cross a political statement? Isn’t it a religious statement?[/quote]
    It can be both.

    Heck, it’s potentially all three – religious, political, and personal. That’s why I don’t think it belongs on a uniform.

    Not to mention that it’s really big and ugly. ;)

  • LI Phil | November 24, 2008 at 11:13 am |

    [quote comment=”301750″]Anyone got a pic of that play (kick return? only caught the tail-end of the highlight.) where the lead blocker lost his helmet on the play and he carried it all the way down the field?

    And what the hell was on Cris Collinsworth’s tie last night? Doilies?[/quote]

    nice catch, J

    i thought it was this or maybe even this…from a distance

    maybe he was inspired by singletary?

  • Cathy | November 24, 2008 at 11:13 am |

    [quote comment=”301732″][quote comment=”301729″][quote comment=”301719″]Okay, I’ll take the bait. Why is Singletary’s cross so offensive to you?[/quote]

    I’m not speaking for Paul, but I think the fact that it was out was the issue. Maybe he thought it looked a little gaudy. Just a guess….[/quote]

    He didn’t say it was offensive, just that it would have looked better tucked in.

    Can’t speak for him, but I agree. Things like that seem more about making personal statements, which I don’t happen to think belong on the football field. I don’t like it when athletes scrawl things on their shoes, I don’t like it when baseball players take a Sharpie to their caps, and I’m not a big fan of huge, dangling jewelry.

    There’s a time and a place for everything. He wouldn’t wear that (well, I don’t know, but he shouldn’t wear that) over a suit, and he shouldn’t wear it over his team gear on the sidelines.

    Has nothing to do with the nature of his statement – huge Obama fan, but wouldn’t like it if he was wearing a big button with Barack’s picture on it. Things like that (and the cross) appear to be more of the tired “LOOK AT ME!” mentality that unfortunatly pervades sports.[/quote]

    I have to agree with the comments above. I always am intrigued by people who like to say “look at ME, look how religious I am!” I work with a woman who has pictures of Jesus in her office and a bible prominently displayed on her desk (facing direction of visitors). While it doesn’t offend me I think of her, “what makes her feel the need to show people her religious feelings.” The kicker is, she is a really an non-generous and self centered person who has been called evil by co-workers.

  • Jim MI | November 24, 2008 at 11:14 am |

    [quote comment=”301753″][quote comment=”301752″][quote comment=”301746″]
    Either way, political statements don’t belong on the football field. Especially when you’re wearing a uniform, as all coaches do these days.[/quote]

    How is wearing a cross a political statement? Isn’t it a religious statement?[/quote]
    It can be both.

    Heck, it’s potentially all three – religious, political, and personal. That’s why I don’t think it belongs on a uniform.

    Not to mention that it’s really big and ugly. ;)[/quote]

    Three things that should not be mixed:

    Sports
    Politics
    Religion

  • Stan aka The Took | November 24, 2008 at 11:15 am |

    [quote comment=”301719″]Okay, I’ll take the bait. Why is Singletary’s cross so offensive to you?[/quote]

    Keep your God to yourself.

    A big wooden cross really or a cross on the cap? Put it away I am not religious at all and I don’t want to see it? What is he trying to convert me or such?
    —-
    On a totally different note that’s probably Brain Westbrook’s most painful “injury” of his career

  • fluxcap | November 24, 2008 at 11:17 am |

    [quote comment=”301732″][quote comment=”301729″][quote comment=”301719″]Okay, I’ll take the bait. Why is Singletary’s cross so offensive to you?[/quote]

    I’m not speaking for Paul, but I think the fact that it was out was the issue. Maybe he thought it looked a little gaudy. Just a guess….[/quote]

    He didn’t say it was offensive, just that it would have looked better tucked in.

    Can’t speak for him, but I agree. Things like that seem more about making personal statements, which I don’t happen to think belong on the football field. I don’t like it when athletes scrawl things on their shoes, I don’t like it when baseball players take a Sharpie to their caps, and I’m not a big fan of huge, dangling jewelry.

    There’s a time and a place for everything. He wouldn’t wear that (well, I don’t know, but he shouldn’t wear that) over a suit, and he shouldn’t wear it over his team gear on the sidelines.

    Has nothing to do with the nature of his statement – huge Obama fan, but wouldn’t like it if he was wearing a big button with Barack’s picture on it. Things like that (and the cross) appear to be more of the tired “LOOK AT ME!” mentality that unfortunatly pervades sports.[/quote]

    Also, based on the way he threw Vernon Davis out and how he is trying to create a team first atmosphere a “look at me” mentality just doesn’t fit his M.O. and if he is trying to make a personal statement, even if it is religious, it could be divisive when trying to create that team atmosphere

  • Wade Harder | November 24, 2008 at 11:17 am |

    [quote comment=”301748″][quote comment=”301745″][quote comment=”301744″]OK, big problems all around with LSU (in addition to the way the laid an egg on Saturday):

    First, the whole season has been the 50th anniversary of the 1958 national championship, and they wait until the last home game of the season to unveil the patch and honor the team? Makes no sense.

    Second, why not have the LSU team wear throwbacks for the game?

    Third, they got the uniforms for the ’58 team wrong. For the ’58 season, the TV numbers were worn above the stripes, as evidenced here in thethis photo from the Sugar Bowl against Clemson, held after the ’58 season: http://farm2.static.....

    The next year, LSU moved the numbers below the stripes (where they remain today), as evident in this photo of Billy Cannon’s punt return against Ole Miss ’59:

    http://assets.espn.g...

    And when did this whole “Magnolia Bowl” thing start?[/quote]
    i believe they (they being CBS) announced during the game that this was the first year for the magnolia bowl … and that trophy is a tad ugly imho[/quote]

    Yeah. This year is the first year of the Magnolia Bowl. Technically, Ole Miss and LSU have had a long rivalry, but this year decided to call it something and give away a dumb trophy to the winner.
    The student bodies of LSU and Mississippi decided to call the game the “Magnolia Bowl” and award a trophy to the winner. The Magnolia is the state flower of both Louisiana and Mississippi. So, there’s a little history on that. But the trophy is atrocious, I agree.[/quote]

    Seriously, what is up with the trophies for the “new” rivalries these days? The Magonolia Bowl trophy looks like it was desinged in two seconds. The MSU-PSU Land Grant Trophy is just as bad (http://blog.pennlive...). What ever happened to an actual trophy?
    http://nbcsportsmedi...

  • Stuby | November 24, 2008 at 11:18 am |

    [quote comment=”301752″][quote comment=”301746″]
    Either way, political statements don’t belong on the football field. Especially when you’re wearing a uniform, as all coaches do these days.[/quote]

    How is wearing a cross a political statement? Isn’t it a religious statement?[/quote]
    It is San Francisco, though. How long before the ACLU comes down on him for displaying religious symbols to his employees in the workplace?

  • LI Phil | November 24, 2008 at 11:18 am |

    [quote]Three things that should not be mixed:

    Sports
    Politics
    Religion[/quote]

    i’ll add alcohol and quaaludes to that list

  • Brian | November 24, 2008 at 11:22 am |

    I don’t have any problem at all with the cross. It’s really not that big or that gaudy.

  • chance | November 24, 2008 at 11:22 am |

    [quote comment=”301761″][quote]Three things that should not be mixed:

    Sports
    Politics
    Religion[/quote]

    i’ll add alcohol and quaaludes to that list[/quote]
    Pop Rocks and Coke?

  • Kevin M. | November 24, 2008 at 11:22 am |

    [quote comment=”301760″][quote comment=”301752″][quote comment=”301746″]
    Either way, political statements don’t belong on the football field. Especially when you’re wearing a uniform, as all coaches do these days.[/quote]

    How is wearing a cross a political statement? Isn’t it a religious statement?[/quote]
    It is San Francisco, though. How long before the ACLU comes down on him for displaying religious symbols to his employees in the workplace?[/quote]

    Don’t forget they were in Dallas an domed stadium that has a hole in the roof so “God can look down upon his team”. Maybe Jerry Jones put him up to it?

  • Jim MI | November 24, 2008 at 11:24 am |

    [quote comment=”301761″][quote]Three things that should not be mixed:

    Sports
    Politics
    Religion[/quote]

    i’ll add alcohol and quaaludes to that list[/quote]

    lol there’s endless list of things that should not be mixed… I just tried to keep it sports related. :)

  • fluxcap | November 24, 2008 at 11:24 am |

    [quote comment=”301711″]Anyone know why Tim Jamsion went NNOB on Saturday?

    He is obviously embarrassed by the dismal season that he and the rest of the Rich-Rod clan have engineered this season.[/quote]

    Missed that during the game, unfortunately the game was pre-empted in philly for La Salle vs. Washington…a HIGH SCHOOL GAME!

  • Fred Provencher | November 24, 2008 at 11:28 am |

    Looking at the Tony Romo picture made me wonder. Since the Cowboys have already worn their really ugly throwbacks will we be spared them this Thanksgiving? I know the Lions are where their super-plain throwbacks. Anyone else sporting anything unique Thursday?

  • UW Justin | November 24, 2008 at 11:31 am |

    Seattle Sounders FC kit leaked here.

  • Duck | November 24, 2008 at 11:34 am |

    [quote comment=”301755″][quote comment=”301732″][quote comment=”301729″][quote comment=”301719″]Okay, I’ll take the bait. Why is Singletary’s cross so offensive to you?[/quote]

    I’m not speaking for Paul, but I think the fact that it was out was the issue. Maybe he thought it looked a little gaudy. Just a guess….[/quote]

    He didn’t say it was offensive, just that it would have looked better tucked in.

    Can’t speak for him, but I agree. Things like that seem more about making personal statements, which I don’t happen to think belong on the football field. I don’t like it when athletes scrawl things on their shoes, I don’t like it when baseball players take a Sharpie to their caps, and I’m not a big fan of huge, dangling jewelry.

    There’s a time and a place for everything. He wouldn’t wear that (well, I don’t know, but he shouldn’t wear that) over a suit, and he shouldn’t wear it over his team gear on the sidelines.

    Has nothing to do with the nature of his statement – huge Obama fan, but wouldn’t like it if he was wearing a big button with Barack’s picture on it. Things like that (and the cross) appear to be more of the tired “LOOK AT ME!” mentality that unfortunatly pervades sports.[/quote]

    I have to agree with the comments above. I always am intrigued by people who like to say “look at ME, look how religious I am!” I work with a woman who has pictures of Jesus in her office and a bible prominently displayed on her desk (facing direction of visitors). While it doesn’t offend me I think of her, “what makes her feel the need to show people her religious feelings.” The kicker is, she is a really an non-generous and self centered person who has been called evil by co-workers.[/quote]

    Got one that sits right by me as well. Reads(whispers) the bible every morning loudly enough for everyone to hear for about 10-15 minutes. He’s also asked if anyone wanted to pray with him around the holidays in staff meetings before, luckily my old boss very good at changing the subject, so it’ll be interesting to see how my new boss handles it with the holidays coming up. It’s really annoying, and borderline offensive to me when people think it’s their job to show off their religion at work.

  • Kerry P | November 24, 2008 at 11:35 am |

    [quote comment=”301748″][quote comment=”301745″][quote comment=”301744″]OK, big problems all around with LSU (in addition to the way the laid an egg on Saturday):

    First, the whole season has been the 50th anniversary of the 1958 national championship, and they wait until the last home game of the season to unveil the patch and honor the team? Makes no sense.

    Second, why not have the LSU team wear throwbacks for the game?

    Third, they got the uniforms for the ’58 team wrong. For the ’58 season, the TV numbers were worn above the stripes, as evidenced here in thethis photo from the Sugar Bowl against Clemson, held after the ’58 season: http://farm2.static.....

    The next year, LSU moved the numbers below the stripes (where they remain today), as evident in this photo of Billy Cannon’s punt return against Ole Miss ’59:

    http://assets.espn.g...

    And when did this whole “Magnolia Bowl” thing start?[/quote]
    i believe they (they being CBS) announced during the game that this was the first year for the magnolia bowl … and that trophy is a tad ugly imho[/quote]

    Yeah. This year is the first year of the Magnolia Bowl. Technically, Ole Miss and LSU have had a long rivalry, but this year decided to call it something and give away a dumb trophy to the winner.
    The student bodies of LSU and Mississippi decided to call the game the “Magnolia Bowl” and award a trophy to the winner. The Magnolia is the state flower of both Louisiana and Mississippi. So, there’s a little history on that. But the trophy is atrocious, I agree.[/quote]
    Yes, the trophy is hideous. There was input from both sides and the magnolia was sculpted by someone affiliated with Ole Miss.

  • chance | November 24, 2008 at 11:37 am |

    [quote comment=”301770″][quote comment=”301748″][quote comment=”301745″][quote comment=”301744″]OK, big problems all around with LSU (in addition to the way the laid an egg on Saturday):

    First, the whole season has been the 50th anniversary of the 1958 national championship, and they wait until the last home game of the season to unveil the patch and honor the team? Makes no sense.

    Second, why not have the LSU team wear throwbacks for the game?

    Third, they got the uniforms for the ’58 team wrong. For the ’58 season, the TV numbers were worn above the stripes, as evidenced here in thethis photo from the Sugar Bowl against Clemson, held after the ’58 season: http://farm2.static.....

    The next year, LSU moved the numbers below the stripes (where they remain today), as evident in this photo of Billy Cannon’s punt return against Ole Miss ’59:

    http://assets.espn.g...

    And when did this whole “Magnolia Bowl” thing start?[/quote]
    i believe they (they being CBS) announced during the game that this was the first year for the magnolia bowl … and that trophy is a tad ugly imho[/quote]

    Yeah. This year is the first year of the Magnolia Bowl. Technically, Ole Miss and LSU have had a long rivalry, but this year decided to call it something and give away a dumb trophy to the winner.
    The student bodies of LSU and Mississippi decided to call the game the “Magnolia Bowl” and award a trophy to the winner. The Magnolia is the state flower of both Louisiana and Mississippi. So, there’s a little history on that. But the trophy is atrocious, I agree.[/quote]
    Yes, the trophy is hideous. There was input from both sides and the magnolia was sculpted by someone affiliated with Ole Miss.[/quote]
    What’s strange to me is that there’s a magnolia in the logo, and a magnolia on the trophy, but they’re different representations of the flower. Would have made more sense to settle on one and use it consistently.

  • Ricko | November 24, 2008 at 11:38 am |

    [quote comment=”301744″]OK, big problems all around with LSU (in addition to the way the laid an egg on Saturday):

    First, the whole season has been the 50th anniversary of the 1958 national championship, and they wait until the last home game of the season to unveil the patch and honor the team? Makes no sense.

    Second, why not have the LSU team wear throwbacks for the game?

    Third, they got the uniforms for the ’58 team wrong. For the ’58 season, the TV numbers were worn above the stripes, as evidenced here in thethis photo from the Sugar Bowl against Clemson, held after the ’58 season: http://farm2.static.....

    The next year, LSU moved the numbers below the stripes (where they remain today), as evident in this photo of Billy Cannon’s punt return against Ole Miss ’59:

    http://assets.espn.g...

    And when did this whole “Magnolia Bowl” thing start?[/quote]

    Also, of course, no NOB for ’58.

    AND the jersey numbers were black, not purple. Remember at the time wondering why they weren’t purple.

    —Ricko

  • Bigtinypig | November 24, 2008 at 11:40 am |

    [quote comment=”301764″][quote comment=”301760″][quote comment=”301752″][quote comment=”301746″]
    Either way, political statements don’t belong on the football field. Especially when you’re wearing a uniform, as all coaches do these days.[/quote]

    How is wearing a cross a political statement? Isn’t it a religious statement?[/quote]
    It is San Francisco, though. How long before the ACLU comes down on him for displaying religious symbols to his employees in the workplace?[/quote]

    Don’t forget they were in Dallas an domed stadium that has a hole in the roof so “God can look down upon his team”. Maybe Jerry Jones put him up to it?[/quote]

    We all know why the hole is really there.

  • Duck | November 24, 2008 at 11:40 am |

    [quote comment=”301768″]Seattle Sounders FC kit leaked here.[/quote]

    Good to see they plan on pairing contrasting shorts and shirts. There’s a little to much monchrome in soccer for my taste. And since I’m ranting; not enough white socks, I just love how they pop and makes for easier viewing of footwork, both at games and on non-HD TV.

  • MPowers1634 | November 24, 2008 at 11:41 am |

    Titans @ Lions Thursday.

    Lions usually wear their throwbacks on Thanksgiving.

    Wouldn’t it be cool if the Titans surprised us and came out in Oilers garb?

  • Bigtinypig | November 24, 2008 at 11:41 am |

    [quote comment=”301773″][quote comment=”301764″][quote comment=”301760″][quote comment=”301752″][quote comment=”301746″]
    Either way, political statements don’t belong on the football field. Especially when you’re wearing a uniform, as all coaches do these days.[/quote]

    How is wearing a cross a political statement? Isn’t it a religious statement?[/quote]
    It is San Francisco, though. How long before the ACLU comes down on him for displaying religious symbols to his employees in the workplace?[/quote]

    Don’t forget they were in Dallas an domed stadium that has a hole in the roof so “God can look down upon his team”. Maybe Jerry Jones put him up to it?[/quote]

    We all know why the hole is really there.[/quote]

    http://img.photobuck...

    fixed

  • Johnny O | November 24, 2008 at 11:41 am |

    [quote comment=”301761″][quote]Three things that should not be mixed:

    Sports
    Politics
    Religion[/quote]

    i’ll add alcohol and quaaludes to that list[/quote]

    Skynyrd fan?

  • JTH | November 24, 2008 at 11:42 am |

    [quote comment=”301724″]
    PSS, Notice the score in that Purdue – IU game … talk about sticker shock!![/quote]
    The post on that blog sums it up rather nicely:
    [quote]Just Like Our Helmets, Our Season Fell Apart

    62-10. Fuck.[/quote]

  • Justin in AR | November 24, 2008 at 11:44 am |

    [quote comment=”301763″][quote comment=”301761″][quote]Three things that should not be mixed:

    Sports
    Politics
    Religion[/quote]

    i’ll add alcohol and quaaludes to that list[/quote]
    Pop Rocks and Coke?[/quote]

    Seagulls and Alka Seltzer?

  • LI Phil | November 24, 2008 at 11:47 am |

    [quote comment=”301777″][quote comment=”301761″][quote]Three things that should not be mixed:

    Sports
    Politics
    Religion[/quote]

    i’ll add alcohol and quaaludes to that list[/quote]

    Skynyrd fan?[/quote]

    yes…actually, but not ref’ing that smell

    was more thinking of her

    /now back to unis

  • Tim | November 24, 2008 at 11:49 am |

    [quote comment=”301767″]Looking at the Tony Romo picture made me wonder. Since the Cowboys have already worn their really ugly throwbacks will we be spared them this Thanksgiving? I know the Lions are where their super-plain throwbacks. Anyone else sporting anything unique Thursday?[/quote]

    If I’m not mistaken, Cowboys will be wearing their regular white uniforms.

    Turkey Day games:

    Seattle at Dallas – doubt there will be throwbacks

    Tennessee at Detroit – no throwbacks for Tennessee until 2009

    Cardinals at Eagles – Let’s hope no throwbacks. Especially from the Eagles with those lemon – powder blue things.

  • Ricko | November 24, 2008 at 11:51 am |

    [quote comment=”301778″][quote comment=”301724″]
    PSS, Notice the score in that Purdue – IU game … talk about sticker shock!![/quote]
    The post on that blog sums it up rather nicely:
    [quote]Just Like Our Helmets, Our Season Fell Apart

    62-10. Fuck.[/quote][/quote]

    55-0 is worse.
    By three points, for sure.
    Not to mentioned being schneidered.

    A valid argument can be made—and already has been made by local sportswriters—that the Gophers are no better, and actually may be worse, than if Glen Mason had been kept on.

    Lord knows the unis are uglier.

    —Ricko

  • silentfrank | November 24, 2008 at 11:52 am |

    In regards to the Singletary cross and reading these posts, no one post in particular, for me at least a simple symbol seems less blatant than something really detailed.

    To put it in bumper sticker logic a Christian fish seems less blantant compared to a “Hell is for real” sticker or a simple “O” sticker being much more simple than a “McSame” sticker. In both these examples the former seem to solely identifying their affiliation, the later shows some level of preaching as well.

    That said, while I can sympathize with Singletary, I think if a limit wasn’t exceeded it was close to being reached. If in a year this becomes commonplace then, I think I would be saying “enough” as well. I just think there are better outlets to profess one’s faith using already established ways.

  • u2-horn | November 24, 2008 at 11:53 am |

    [quote comment=”301756″]
    Three things that should not be mixed:

    Sports
    Politics
    Religion[/quote]

    “There are people who would say that you shouldn’t mix music and politics or sport and politics…or whatever. But, I think that’s kind of bullshit.”

    –Adam Clayton

  • William Harrison | November 24, 2008 at 11:53 am |

    Confirming what is already known, but the Bruins unveiled their third jersey this morning:

    http://bruins.nhl.co...

    Not sure why they lost the thin gold strip at the bottom, like the prototype from last year.

    I don’t hate it, and I love the logo, but I am not a fan. Too much black with no break.

    I think they should have gone gold, with the “Boston” version of the bear logo, and black-gold-white barber-pole stripes down the sleeves and (gold) socks. Sorta like this, but with the bear logo and more stripes on the socks:

    http://cache.daylife...

  • Sage Confucius | November 24, 2008 at 11:54 am |

    The Obama log always reminds me of the US Farm Report logo.

    http://www.agweb.com...

  • u2-horn | November 24, 2008 at 11:55 am |

    [quote comment=”301754″][quote comment=”301750″]Anyone got a pic of that play (kick return? only caught the tail-end of the highlight.) where the lead blocker lost his helmet on the play and he carried it all the way down the field?

    And what the hell was on Cris Collinsworth’s tie last night? Doilies?[/quote]

    nice catch, J

    i thought it was this or maybe even this…from a distance

    maybe he was inspired by singletary?[/quote]

    Snowflake?

  • William Harrison | November 24, 2008 at 11:55 am |

    [quote comment=”301785″]Confirming what is already known, but the Bruins unveiled their third jersey this morning:

    http://bruins.nhl.co...

    Not sure why they lost the thin gold strip at the bottom, like the prototype from last year.

    I don’t hate it, and I love the logo, but I am not a fan. Too much black with no break.

    I think they should have gone gold, with the “Boston” version of the bear logo, and black-gold-white barber-pole stripes down the sleeves and (gold) socks. Sorta like this, but with the bear logo and more stripes on the socks:

    http://cache.daylife...

    Oops. As for the actual uni, rather than teh press release:

    http://bruins.nhl.co...

  • Peter | November 24, 2008 at 11:55 am |

    is the Magnolia Trophy?

    http://upload.wikime...

    Its more wod than anything

  • u2-horn | November 24, 2008 at 11:56 am |

    [quote comment=”301767″]Looking at the Tony Romo picture made me wonder. Since the Cowboys have already worn their really ugly throwbacks will we be spared them this Thanksgiving? I know the Lions are where their super-plain throwbacks. Anyone else sporting anything unique Thursday?[/quote]

    Ugly? Those things are beautiful.

    They are not wearing them on Turkey Day though.

  • Ricko | November 24, 2008 at 11:57 am |

    [quote comment=”301783″]In regards to the Singletary cross and reading these posts, no one post in particular, for me at least a simple symbol seems less blatant than something really detailed.

    To put it in bumper sticker logic a Christian fish seems less blantant compared to a “Hell is for real” sticker or a simple “O” sticker being much more simple than a “McSame” sticker. In both these examples the former seem to solely identifying their affiliation, the later shows some level of preaching as well.

    That said, while I can sympathize with Singletary, I think if a limit wasn’t exceeded it was close to being reached. If in a year this becomes commonplace then, I think I would be saying “enough” as well. I just think there are better outlets to profess one’s faith using already established ways.[/quote]

    No matter what Singletary’s personal convictions he is bringing them into his workplace. In virtually any other industry this would be taken as pushing things a bit and, depending on the attitude of his employer, be seen as marginally or completely inappropriate.

    And I’m a Christian, so don’t start in on me.

    —Ricko

  • Zac Neubauer | November 24, 2008 at 12:02 pm |

    Jamsion did have a torn jersey. There was a shot of him at the beginning of the 3rd quarter I believe and it looked like the jersey was torn right down the middle. I don’t have a screen grab, but someone could go back for it.

  • Peter | November 24, 2008 at 12:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”301791″][quote comment=”301783″]In regards to the Singletary cross and reading these posts, no one post in particular, for me at least a simple symbol seems less blatant than something really detailed.

    To put it in bumper sticker logic a Christian fish seems less blantant compared to a “Hell is for real” sticker or a simple “O” sticker being much more simple than a “McSame” sticker. In both these examples the former seem to solely identifying their affiliation, the later shows some level of preaching as well.

    That said, while I can sympathize with Singletary, I think if a limit wasn’t exceeded it was close to being reached. If in a year this becomes commonplace then, I think I would be saying “enough” as well. I just think there are better outlets to profess one’s faith using already established ways.[/quote]

    No matter what Singletary’s personal convictions he is bringing them into his workplace. In virtually any other industry this would be taken as pushing things a bit and, depending on the attitude of his employer, be seen as marginally or completely inappropriate.

    And I’m a Christian, so don’t start in on me.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    What about prayer circles at the end of a game then?

    (Actually, nevermind, I dont want tostart a slippery sloe….but religion and sports has always played some part: re:Sandy koufax)

    and this is nothing new….no harm , no foul…I get more offended when someone wears a vulgar t-shirt than a cross…

  • Giancarlo | November 24, 2008 at 12:06 pm |

    Those old LSU photos make me wonder, how late did college running backs or linemen wear single-bar facemasks? 1958-59 seems surprisingly late.

  • Hott Rodd | November 24, 2008 at 12:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”301754″][quote comment=”301750″]Anyone got a pic of that play (kick return? only caught the tail-end of the highlight.) where the lead blocker lost his helmet on the play and he carried it all the way down the field?

    And what the hell was on Cris Collinsworth’s tie last night? Doilies?[/quote]

    nice catch, J

    i thought it was this or maybe even this…from a distance

    maybe he was inspired by singletary?[/quote]

    I can’t see flickr at work, but if its the same pin I noticed, there were multiple talking heads wearing it. If not then ignore me.

  • Matthew Lindley | November 24, 2008 at 12:07 pm |

    I know it’s a couple days late. But Washington State had those Clear Seal Helmets on Saturday.

    http://wsucougars.cs...

  • Paul Lukas | November 24, 2008 at 12:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”301783″]In regards to the Singletary cross and reading these posts, no one post in particular, for me at least a simple symbol seems less blatant than something really detailed.

    To put it in bumper sticker logic a Christian fish seems less blantant compared to a “Hell is for real” sticker or a simple “O” sticker being much more simple than a “McSame” sticker. In both these examples the former seem to solely identifying their affiliation, the later shows some level of preaching as well.

    That said, while I can sympathize with Singletary, I think if a limit wasn’t exceeded it was close to being reached. If in a year this becomes commonplace then, I think I would be saying “enough” as well. I just think there are better outlets to profess one’s faith using already established ways.[/quote]

    The thing nobody has yet mentioned is that Singletary is the boss, and it’s never a good idea for anyone in a managerial capacity to get all religious in the workplace, because it invites the question of whether he’s showing favortism to those who share his beliefs and/or being tougher on those who don’t. Bad move.

    But the real problem is that it’s just too damn big. Isn’t this how Flavor Flav got started?
    http://www.pi-hs.com...

  • Katie | November 24, 2008 at 12:13 pm |

    [quote comment=\”301782\”][quote comment=\”301778\”][quote comment=\”301724\”]
    PSS, Notice the score in that Purdue – IU game … talk about sticker shock!![/quote]
    The post on that blog sums it up rather nicely:
    [quote]Just Like Our Helmets, Our Season Fell Apart

    62-10. Fuck.[/quote][/quote]

    55-0 is worse.
    By three points, for sure.
    Not to mentioned being schneidered.

    A valid argument can be made—and already has been made by local sportswriters—that the Gophers are no better, and actually may be worse, than if Glen Mason had been kept on.

    Lord knows the unis are uglier.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    that game was embarrassing. usually i can tolerate the ugly unis if they win, but i left shortly after halftime because it was so ugly. it was pretty much a home game for the hawkeyes anyway.

  • Wes | November 24, 2008 at 12:14 pm |

    Paul,
    Just out of curiosity, what don’t you like about the Obama logo? The comments in the article you linked are largely supportive of the logo. I don’t have a strong opinion one way or the other, but I always think it’s interesting to read critiques of designs by people who know what they’re talking about (unlike me), so I’d be interested to hear more of your thoughts.

  • JR Boucicaut | November 24, 2008 at 12:19 pm |

    The two-tone hockey helmet is the Nike/Bauer 9500. It is a dual-shell helmet (the alternate color part is the softer, flexible shell) and is mated to the hard plastic exterior shell. The NHL guys are wearing the single-color version.

  • odessa steps | November 24, 2008 at 12:26 pm |

    There were players in washington that said, off the record, that players “played up” their regligiousity in front of Joe Gibbs, to curry favor and more importantly, not get on his bad list. There apparently were concerned that you could be demoted or cut if you were not on the same page with Coach Joe.

  • james | November 24, 2008 at 12:35 pm |

    Soccer in South Amrica is hilarious and frightening:

    http://brazil.theoff...

  • MPowers1634 | November 24, 2008 at 12:38 pm |

    [quote comment=\”301796\”]I know it\’s a couple days late. But Washington State had those Clear Seal Helmets on Saturday.

    http://wsucougars.cs...

    What do you mean? Within the photo album, I noticed a large number of:

    Riddell VSR-4
    Riddell Revolution
    Two or Three Schutt Air Advantages, #20, #21

  • Wollen1 | November 24, 2008 at 12:45 pm |

    I was reading the Rams throwback article and was a bit surprised to see that NFL rules require that a team not change it’s throwback uniforms for five years after deciding on a throwback style. What purpose does this serve? It just seems to be an artificial and needless impediment to teams celebrating their past…as does the tremendously long “notice” period that the league requires before teams decide to wear throwbacks or make other uniform alterations. The NFL is getting so corporate that it often gets in the way of itself. Uniform changes should not be allowed without any notice by any league, but it should be much easier to make changes than what the current NFL rules allow.

    By the way, if the argument is that the notice period prevents stupid or ugly uniform alterations, I would submit the current unis of the Cardinals, the Bills and the Bengals as counterarguments. As far as I know, the plans for these blights were submitted per NFL rules.

  • Stuby | November 24, 2008 at 12:46 pm |

    Since we’re on this topic today, I have a question. I received many a wedgie from my older brother while growing up, only he didn’t call it a wedgie – he called it a “Melvin”. Has anyone ever heard it called that, or was it a product of my brother’s evil mind?

  • Peter | November 24, 2008 at 12:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”301805″]Since we’re on this topic today, I have a question. I received many a wedgie from my older brother while growing up, only he didn’t call it a wedgie – he called it a “Melvin”. Has anyone ever heard it called that, or was it a product of my brother’s evil mind?[/quote]

    Your brother has issues…Melvin….

  • BottleRocket | November 24, 2008 at 12:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”301768″]Seattle Sounders FC kit leaked here.[/quote]

    I like those unis. And it’s kinda nice seeing that blue/green color scheme being used in both the Seahawks and Sounders.

    But, being from Portland, I’ll only root for them until Portland gets a MLS team.

  • GoTerriers | November 24, 2008 at 12:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”301804″]I was reading the Rams throwback article and was a bit surprised to see that NFL rules require that a team not change it’s throwback uniforms for five years after deciding on a throwback style. What purpose does this serve? It just seems to be an artificial and needless impediment to teams celebrating their past…as does the tremendously long “notice” period that the league requires before teams decide to wear throwbacks or make other uniform alterations. The NFL is getting so corporate that it often gets in the way of itself. Uniform changes should not be allowed without any notice by any league, but it should be much easier to make changes than what the current NFL rules allow.

    By the way, if the argument is that the notice period prevents stupid or ugly uniform alterations, I would submit the current unis of the Cardinals, the Bills and the Bengals as counterarguments. As far as I know, the plans for these blights were submitted per NFL rules.[/quote]
    Makes sense to me since it prevents the teams from changing throwbacks every year just as a marketing ploy . . .

  • Ricko | November 24, 2008 at 12:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”301793″][quote comment=”301791″][quote comment=”301783″]In regards to the Singletary cross and reading these posts, no one post in particular, for me at least a simple symbol seems less blatant than something really detailed.

    To put it in bumper sticker logic a Christian fish seems less blantant compared to a “Hell is for real” sticker or a simple “O” sticker being much more simple than a “McSame” sticker. In both these examples the former seem to solely identifying their affiliation, the later shows some level of preaching as well.

    That said, while I can sympathize with Singletary, I think if a limit wasn’t exceeded it was close to being reached. If in a year this becomes commonplace then, I think I would be saying “enough” as well. I just think there are better outlets to profess one’s faith using already established ways.[/quote]

    No matter what Singletary’s personal convictions he is bringing them into his workplace. In virtually any other industry this would be taken as pushing things a bit and, depending on the attitude of his employer, be seen as marginally or completely inappropriate.

    And I’m a Christian, so don’t start in on me.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    What about prayer circles at the end of a game then?

    (Actually, nevermind, I dont want tostart a slippery sloe….but religion and sports has always played some part:

    re:Sandy koufax)

    and this is nothing new….no harm , no foul…I get more offended when someone wears a vulgar t-shirt than a cross…[/quote]

    Point was (and I guess I didn’t make it all that clear) is that a supervisor (boss) probably ought not make “statements” like that. Singletary ain’t on one of the guys anymore. Tony Dungy is about as classy and sincere as you can imagine in that regard, and he doesn’t wear a big ol’ cross. Prayer circles? That’s leaving employees to do as they choose.

    The NFL may be a game, but it’s still a workplace.

    And, yeah, no harm, no foul but, as The Boss, probably not the way he should go.

  • WSC | November 24, 2008 at 12:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”301805″]Since we’re on this topic today, I have a question. I received many a wedgie from my older brother while growing up, only he didn’t call it a wedgie – he called it a “Melvin”. Has anyone ever heard it called that, or was it a product of my brother’s evil mind?[/quote]

    That is from some 80’s movie, or I remember it referenced in one. Not sure of the movie, but it was in the B-movie genre and may or may not have had something to do with a camp, football or trying to get laid. I know, that really narrows it down. ;)

  • Ricko | November 24, 2008 at 12:50 pm |

    Oops, missed Paul’s post that said the same thing. Sorry about that.

  • MPowers1634 | November 24, 2008 at 12:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”301805″]Since we’re on this topic today, I have a question. I received many a wedgie from my older brother while growing up, only he didn’t call it a wedgie – he called it a “Melvin”. Has anyone ever heard it called that, or was it a product of my brother’s evil mind?[/quote]

    Bill and Teds’ Bogus Journey.

    Those two morons give the Grim Reaper a “Melvin”.

    http://2.music.bigpo...

  • Peter | November 24, 2008 at 12:54 pm |

    “Point was (and I guess I didn’t make it all that clear) is that a supervisor (boss) probably ought not make “statements” like that”.

    how about this Boss

    http://www.tampabaym...

    I’d say he was free to say anything he’d like….(and his son is just as tough as him!)

  • WSC | November 24, 2008 at 12:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”301812″][quote comment=”301805″]Since we’re on this topic today, I have a question. I received many a wedgie from my older brother while growing up, only he didn’t call it a wedgie – he called it a “Melvin”. Has anyone ever heard it called that, or was it a product of my brother’s evil mind?[/quote]

    Bill and Teds’ Bogus Journey.

    Those two morons give the Grim Reaper a “Melvin”.

    http://2.music.bigpo...

    Ding! Just remembered it….and then the Reaper does it to the bad guy at the end. BOGUS!

    :)

  • Stuby | November 24, 2008 at 12:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”301810″][quote comment=”301805″]Since we’re on this topic today, I have a question. I received many a wedgie from my older brother while growing up, only he didn’t call it a wedgie – he called it a “Melvin”. Has anyone ever heard it called that, or was it a product of my brother’s evil mind?[/quote]

    That is from some 80’s movie, or I remember it referenced in one. Not sure of the movie, but it was in the B-movie genre and may or may not have had something to do with a camp, football or trying to get laid. I know, that really narrows it down. ;)[/quote]
    I received Melvins in the 70s, so my brother must have been a visionary.

  • MPowers1634 | November 24, 2008 at 12:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”301814″][quote comment=”301812″][quote comment=”301805″]Since we’re on this topic today, I have a question. I received many a wedgie from my older brother while growing up, only he didn’t call it a wedgie – he called it a “Melvin”. Has anyone ever heard it called that, or was it a product of my brother’s evil mind?[/quote]

    Bill and Teds’ Bogus Journey.

    Those two morons give the Grim Reaper a “Melvin”.

    http://2.music.bigpo...

    Ding!

    Just remembered it….and then the Reaper does it to the bad guy at the end. BOGUS!

    :)[/quote]

    Correct…”I gave him a Melvin”…in a poorly done Eastern European accent.

    Culture, UW style.

  • Ricko | November 24, 2008 at 12:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”301813″]”Point was (and I guess I didn’t make it all that clear) is that a supervisor (boss) probably ought not make “statements” like that”.

    how about this Boss

    http://www.tampabaym...

    I’d say he was free to say anything he’d like….(and his son is just as tough as him!)[/quote]

    Sure. he CAN. The issue is whether he SHOULD. Besides, I don’t know that using either Steinbrenner as a poster boy for enlightened management style would be the greatest of ideas.

  • TSP | November 24, 2008 at 1:03 pm |

    Saw the Grey Cup. Love those Montreal Alouettes unis. They would look good on the Patriots.
    http://www.montreala...

  • MPowers1634 | November 24, 2008 at 1:03 pm |

    Church and State, Bill and Ted, C’mon!

    I was cleaning out my attic yesterday, and lookie what I found:

    Real life, foosball pics:

    http://i256.photobuc...

    http://i256.photobuc...

  • Bob A | November 24, 2008 at 1:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”301790″][quote comment=”301767″]Looking at the Tony Romo picture made me wonder. Since the Cowboys have already worn their really ugly throwbacks will we be spared them this Thanksgiving? I know the Lions are where their super-plain throwbacks. Anyone else sporting anything unique Thursday?[/quote]

    Ugly? Those things are beautiful.

    They are not wearing them on Turkey Day though.[/quote]

    Those are my favorite NFL throwbacks, bar none. And I say that as a Cowboy hater.

    other stuff:
    Collingworth’s tie… I thought it was a snowflake pattern.

    re: Singletary. I agree with Paul. When the boss makes that kind of statement, I’d have to feel wary if I was of a different mindset.

  • Peter | November 24, 2008 at 1:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”301817″][quote comment=”301813″]”Point was (and I guess I didn’t make it all that clear) is that a supervisor (boss) probably ought not make “statements” like that”.

    how about this Boss

    http://www.tampabaym...

    I’d say he was free to say anything he’d like….(and his son is just as tough as him!)[/quote]

    Sure. he CAN. The issue is whether he SHOULD. Besides, I don’t know that using either Steinbrenner as a poster boy for enlightened management style would be the greatest of ideas.[/quote]

    (from wikipedia)
    “Steinbrenner has been able to grow the Yankees from a $10 million franchise to a $1.2 billion heavyweight”.

    I say yes…The Boss knows success…I admire him, and applaud him for doing it his way and no one else’s.

    Look at Tom Landry…he was possibly the most openly religious coach in the history of football, he preached to his players and found success…just because someone’s principals or beliefs are founded on a religion and they want to use those same beliefs to (hopefully) BUild a team, I see nothing wrong with it…TEAM FIRST…and besides, SF has alot bigger problems than his cross…

  • JTH | November 24, 2008 at 1:07 pm |

    [quote]Blue Demons wearing black — yeah, that makes a lot of sense[/quote]
    DePaul posted the program’s first-ever win while wearing black uniforms. The Blue Demons had worn them twice last season and lost both games.

    Huh. I didn’t realize they wore them last year. It’s bad enough that those black unis even exist, but the most troubling aspect to me is that they appear to be completely devoid of any scarlet except for the logo patch on the shorts.

  • chance | November 24, 2008 at 1:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”301804″]I was reading the Rams throwback article and was a bit surprised to see that NFL rules require that a team not change it’s throwback uniforms for five years after deciding on a throwback style.[/quote]

    I wonder if that’s actually true.

    And I wonder when the NFL instituted that rule – the Packers haven’t worn throwbacks in a while, but in 2001 and 2003 they wore two different ones, from the 1930s and 1960s, respectively.

  • =bg= | November 24, 2008 at 1:13 pm |

    Wow, that Westbrook photo is…painful.

  • Ricko | November 24, 2008 at 1:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”301821″][quote comment=”301817″][quote comment=”301813″]”Point was (and I guess I didn’t make it all that clear) is that a supervisor (boss) probably ought not make “statements” like that”.

    how about this Boss

    http://www.tampabaym...

    I’d say he was free to say anything he’d like….(and his son is just as tough as him!)[/quote]

    Sure. he CAN. The issue is whether he SHOULD. Besides, I don’t know that using either Steinbrenner as a poster boy for enlightened management style would be the greatest of ideas.[/quote]

    (from wikipedia)
    “Steinbrenner has been able to grow the Yankees from a $10 million franchise to a $1.2 billion heavyweight”.

    I say yes…The Boss knows success…I admire him, and applaud him for doing it his way and no one else’s.

    Look at Tom Landry…he was possibly the most openly religious coach in the history of football, he preached to his players and found success…just because someone’s principals or beliefs are founded on a religion and they want to use those same beliefs to (hopefully) BUild a team, I see nothing wrong with it…TEAM FIRST…and besides, SF has alot bigger problems than his cross…[/quote]

    Never said he wasn’t successful, and there’s no doubt success forgives–even praises–boorishness. (see: Trump, Donald)

  • Patrick | November 24, 2008 at 1:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”301819″]Church and State, Bill and Ted, C’mon!

    I was cleaning out my attic yesterday, and lookie what I found:

    Real life, foosball pics:

    http://i256.photobuc...

    http://i256.photobuc...

    Your school has some nice looking uniforms.

  • Peter | November 24, 2008 at 1:21 pm |

    Ricko,

    I see and understand your point, but the bottom line: it works for them…some have souls and others need some kind of intervention…

  • The Hemogoblin | November 24, 2008 at 1:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”301823″][quote comment=”301804″]I was reading the Rams throwback article and was a bit surprised to see that NFL rules require that a team not change it’s throwback uniforms for five years after deciding on a throwback style.[/quote]

    I wonder if that’s actually true.

    And I wonder when the NFL instituted that rule – the Packers haven’t worn throwbacks in a while, but in 2001 and 2003 they wore two different ones, from the 1930s and 1960s, respectively.[/quote]

    If they changed the throwback in 1997, say, and then in 2002, it would circumvent the rules, at least by my understanding.

  • Stuby | November 24, 2008 at 1:25 pm |

    Speaking of Obama and his logos, I don’t recall this one being used by Presidents-elect in the past…

    http://www.reuters.c...

  • chance | November 24, 2008 at 1:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”301821″]and besides, SF has alot bigger problems than his cross…[/quote]
    True enough, but plenty of people say that when we talk about logos and uniforms, too. The Niners’ many on-field problems don’t make Singletary’s uniform modifications a good idea, and fixing the problems are not mutually exclusive.

    For that matter, if the Gibbs example is any indication, it is possible that his personal fashion statement might be making it harder to fix the other problems.

  • chance | November 24, 2008 at 1:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”301829″]Speaking of Obama and his logos, I don’t recall this one being used by Presidents-elect in the past…

    http://www.reuters.c...

    Neither can I.

    Then again, there’s never been a situation quite like this in my lifetime, where the country and world leaders are so interested in what the President-Elect will do upon taking office.

  • Peter | November 24, 2008 at 1:30 pm |

    Shifting gears:

    Anyone interested in taking a few Jersey’s off my hands?

    I have an Expos one & a WBC A-Rod…

    email me: cinemazero225@aol.com

    back to religion and football:
    http://en.wikipedia....

  • chance | November 24, 2008 at 1:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”301832″]Shifting gears:

    Anyone interested in taking a few Jersey’s off my hands?

    I have an Expos one & a WBC A-Rod…

    email me: cinemazero225@aol.com

    back to religion and football:
    http://en.wikipedia....

    I’ll see you and raise:

    http://www.theonion....

  • Peter | November 24, 2008 at 1:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”301833″][quote comment=”301832″]Shifting gears:

    back to religion and football:
    http://en.wikipedia....

    I’ll see you and raise:

    http://www.theonion....

    Penalty Accepted….10 yards….repeat 2nd down
    http://en.wikipedia....

    (so now I question the call…but he’d kick my ass)

  • LI Phil | November 24, 2008 at 1:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”301833″][quote comment=”301832″]Shifting gears:

    Anyone interested in taking a few Jersey’s off my hands?

    I have an Expos one & a WBC A-Rod…

    email me: cinemazero225@aol.com

    back to religion and football:
    http://en.wikipedia....

    I’ll see you and raise:

    http://www.theonion....

    i call

  • The Hemogoblin | November 24, 2008 at 1:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”301833″][quote comment=”301832″]Shifting gears:

    Anyone interested in taking a few Jersey’s off my hands?

    I have an Expos one & a WBC A-Rod…

    email me: cinemazero225@aol.com

    back to religion and football:
    http://en.wikipedia....

    I’ll see you and raise:

    http://www.theonion....

    Religion and logo creep?

    http://www.theonion....

  • Sammy | November 24, 2008 at 1:41 pm |

    The Oilers throwbacks have the same problem as the current NY Giants. Red numbers and stripes on the white uniform, when the rest of the uniform scheme is blue.

  • Jason Axel | November 24, 2008 at 1:42 pm |

    We didn’t have to worry about the Titans coming up with some asinine creative way to show 11-0, but I do appreciate the Lions fans sticking with their streak of 0-11

  • Namhob | November 24, 2008 at 1:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”301826″][quote comment=”301819″]Church and State, Bill and Ted, C’mon!

    I was cleaning out my attic yesterday, and lookie what I found:

    Real life, foosball pics:

    http://i256.photobuc...

    http://i256.photobuc...

    Your school has some nice looking uniforms.[/quote]
    I know it’s high school, but in the first pic, 32 doesn’t have stripes on his jersey and 34 does.

  • Stuby | November 24, 2008 at 1:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”301831″][quote comment=”301829″]Speaking of Obama and his logos, I don’t recall this one being used by Presidents-elect in the past…

    http://www.reuters.c...

    Neither can I.

    Then again, there’s never been a situation quite like this in my lifetime, where the country and world leaders are so interested in what the President-Elect will do upon taking office.[/quote]
    I didn’t know if there was a protocol in place for the use of such a logo. Is it something his transition team came up with?

  • CMP | November 24, 2008 at 1:45 pm |

    “two-tone hockey helmets are actually no big deal anymore, now that Cascade makes customizable brain buckets: http://www.inlinewar… ”

    big deal or not, at least its an appearance of UVM Hockey on UniWatch. Go Cats Go!

  • Namhob | November 24, 2008 at 1:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”301839″][quote comment=”301826″][quote comment=”301819″]Church and State, Bill and Ted, C’mon!

    I was cleaning out my attic yesterday, and lookie what I found:

    Real life, foosball pics:

    http://i256.photobuc...

    http://i256.photobuc...

    Your school has some nice looking uniforms.[/quote]
    I know it’s high school, but in the first pic, 34 doesn’t have stripes on his jersey and 32 does.[/quote]
    (fixed)

  • mark | November 24, 2008 at 1:49 pm |

    “AND the jersey numbers were black, not purple. Remember at the time wondering why they weren’t purple”

    ummmm, they were purple
    here is the 58 team in their “chinese bandit” masks

    and cannons jersey

  • MPowers1634 | November 24, 2008 at 1:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”301826″][quote comment=”301819″]Church and State, Bill and Ted, C’mon!

    I was cleaning out my attic yesterday, and lookie what I found:

    Real life, foosball pics:

    http://i256.photobuc...

    http://i256.photobuc...

    Your school has some nice looking uniforms.[/quote]

    Those pics are 14 years old.

    Unfortunately, they no longer use that design or anything similar.

    Those pics should explain my affinity for anything Princeton.

  • mark | November 24, 2008 at 1:52 pm |
  • jon | November 24, 2008 at 1:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”301808″][quote comment=”301804″]I was reading the Rams throwback article and was a bit surprised to see that NFL rules require that a team not change it’s throwback uniforms for five years after deciding on a throwback style. What purpose does this serve? It just seems to be an artificial and needless impediment to teams celebrating their past…as does the tremendously long “notice” period that the league requires before teams decide to wear throwbacks or make other uniform alterations. The NFL is getting so corporate that it often gets in the way of itself. Uniform changes should not be allowed without any notice by any league, but it should be much easier to make changes than what the current NFL rules allow.

    By the way, if the argument is that the notice period prevents stupid or ugly uniform alterations, I would submit the current unis of the Cardinals, the Bills and the Bengals as counterarguments. As far as I know, the plans for these blights were submitted per NFL rules.[/quote]
    Makes sense to me since it prevents the teams from changing throwbacks every year just as a marketing ploy . . .[/quote]

    i dont understand what the problem would be in having different throwbacks every year, even as a marketing ploy (as sports is a business, as the whole debate over the cross being worn has brought up time and time again today). wouldnt it be really cool to see teams wearing a different throwback or different alternate jersey every year? even in a one-and-done setting for each particular uniform it seems like a great way to get a lot of good looking uniforms either back out onto the field or debuted on the field. it also seems like a very good harbinger for change for teams (cough….bills…cough) to make some changes.

  • Gozer | November 24, 2008 at 2:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”301805″]Since we’re on this topic today, I have a question. I received many a wedgie from my older brother while growing up, only he didn’t call it a wedgie – he called it a “Melvin”. Has anyone ever heard it called that, or was it a product of my brother’s evil mind?[/quote]

    Around my school they were called Georges. I have gotten a few Georges. I like Melvin better…

  • MPowers1634 | November 24, 2008 at 2:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”301844″][quote comment=”301826″][quote comment=”301819″]Church and State, Bill and Ted, C’mon!

    I was cleaning out my attic yesterday, and lookie what I found:

    Real life, foosball pics:

    http://i256.photobuc...

    http://i256.photobuc...

    Your school has some nice looking uniforms.[/quote]

    Those pics are 14 years old.

    Unfortunately, they no longer use that design or anything similar.

    Those pics should explain my affinity for anything Princeton.[/quote]

    #32 didn’t “Get it”.

    #34, who was a STUD, used to tie his sleeves up ala Steve Young.

    http://i256.photobuc...

    http://i256.photobuc...

  • robert | November 24, 2008 at 2:05 pm |

    the weg sort of looks like a sling shot no? and let’s face it, there are some stones in there. so how about a sling-shot? or goliath?

  • MPowers1634 | November 24, 2008 at 2:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”301848″][quote comment=”301844″][quote comment=”301826″][quote comment=”301819″]Church and State, Bill and Ted, C’mon!

    I was cleaning out my attic yesterday, and lookie what I found:

    Real life, foosball pics:

    http://i256.photobuc...

    http://i256.photobuc...

    Your school has some nice looking uniforms.[/quote]

    Those pics are 14 years old.

    Unfortunately, they no longer use that design or anything similar.

    Those pics should explain my affinity for anything Princeton.[/quote]

    #32 didn’t “Get it”.

    #34, who was a STUD, used to tie his sleeves up ala Steve Young.

    http://i256.photobuc...

    http://i256.photobuc...

    This is what they wear now:

    http://springvalleyf...

    http://springvalleyf...

    http://springvalleyf...

    http://springvalleyf...

    http://springvalleyf...

  • Zac Neubauer | November 24, 2008 at 2:08 pm |

    Here’s a great database of ads from 1911-1955.

    http://library.duke....

  • Pretty Boy Paulie | November 24, 2008 at 2:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”301807″][quote comment=”301768″]Seattle Sounders FC kit leaked here.[/quote]

    I like those unis. And it’s kinda nice seeing that blue/green color scheme being used in both the Seahawks and Sounders.

    But, being from Portland, I’ll only root for them until Portland gets a MLS team.[/quote]

    BLECH! I hate Adidas like how some of you people hate Nike. I LOVE the Seahawks uniform, I really do…but they use the neon green in small amounts on the uniform. I wished they had taken the same approach.

  • MPowers1634 | November 24, 2008 at 2:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”301848″][quote comment=”301844″][quote comment=”301826″][quote comment=”301819″]Church and State, Bill and Ted, C’mon!

    I was cleaning out my attic yesterday, and lookie what I found:

    Real life, foosball pics:

    http://i256.photobuc...

    http://i256.photobuc...

    Your school has some nice looking uniforms.[/quote]

    Those pics are 14 years old.

    Unfortunately, they no longer use that design or anything similar.

    Those pics should explain my affinity for anything Princeton.[/quote]

    #32 didn’t “Get it”.

    #34, who was a STUD, used to tie his sleeves up ala Steve Young.

    http://i256.photobuc...

    http://i256.photobuc...

    Oh, and #34 NEVER received wedgies, or Melvins, or Georges.

  • Richard Bruns | November 24, 2008 at 2:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”301835″][quote comment=”301833″][quote comment=”301832″]Shifting gears:

    Anyone interested in taking a few Jersey’s off my hands?

    I have an Expos one & a WBC A-Rod…

    email me: cinemazero225@aol.com

    back to religion and football:
    http://en.wikipedia....

    I’ll see you and raise:

    http://www.theonion....

    i call[/quote]

    That’s only about a 30 minute drive away from me and I laugh hysterically every time I see.

  • Mark | November 24, 2008 at 2:32 pm |

    Twins unveil Throwback Jerseys for Saturday Nights:

    http://www.kare11.co...

  • Peter | November 24, 2008 at 2:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”301854″][quote comment=”301835″][quote comment=”301833″][quote comment=”301832″]Shifting gears:

    Anyone interested in taking a few Jersey’s off my hands?

    I have an Expos one & a WBC A-Rod…

    email me: cinemazero225@aol.com

    back to religion and football:
    http://en.wikipedia....

    I’ll see you and raise:

    http://www.theonion....

    i call[/quote]

    That’s only about a 30 minute drive away from me and I laugh hysterically every time I see.[/quote]

    where is that? NY?

  • Scott | November 24, 2008 at 2:38 pm |

    Ricko,

    You’re right 55-0 is worse, Minnehaha should be ashamed of that performance against an average Iowa club. Interesting, Purdue’s Joe Tiller called off the dogs in the 4th (they still scored one touchdown accidentally and were driving for another but ran out 6 mins on the clock to turn it over on downs). They were headed for mid-70s, otherwise.

  • Namhob | November 24, 2008 at 2:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”301854″][quote comment=”301835″][quote comment=”301833″][quote comment=”301832″]Shifting gears:

    Anyone interested in taking a few Jersey’s off my hands?

    I have an Expos one & a WBC A-Rod…

    email me: cinemazero225@aol.com

    back to religion and football:
    http://en.wikipedia....

    I’ll see you and raise:

    http://www.theonion....

    i call[/quote]

    That’s only about a 30 minute drive away from me and I laugh hysterically every time I see.[/quote]
    Richard, you and me both (Bellevue, KY). Then I would imagine you’re familiar with this? http://www.youtube.c...

  • tom farley | November 24, 2008 at 2:41 pm |

    Twins unveil Throwback Jerseys for Saturday Nights:

    Thanks for the link, Mark. It’s interesting how some of the throwbacks aren’t thrown all the way back, so to speak. The Twins are going to do what the Brewers: Represent a double-knit pullover era uniform with button-down jersey and belts.

    Of course, the teams can do whatever they want. But I would suggest that to pass UW muster, all the details should be historically accurate.

    I know, I’m really out on a limb with that last bit, aren’t I? ;-)

  • Jim MI | November 24, 2008 at 2:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”301854″][quote comment=”301835″][quote comment=”301833″][quote comment=”301832″]Shifting gears:

    Anyone interested in taking a few Jersey’s off my hands?

    I have an Expos one & a WBC A-Rod…

    email me: cinemazero225@aol.com

    back to religion and football:
    http://en.wikipedia....

    I’ll see you and raise:

    http://www.theonion....

    i call[/quote]

    That’s only about a 30 minute drive away from me and I laugh hysterically every time I see.[/quote]

    I’ve seen that before, where is that exactly?

  • Namhob | November 24, 2008 at 2:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”301860″][quote comment=”301854″][quote comment=”301835″][quote comment=”301833″][quote comment=”301832″]Shifting gears:

    Anyone interested in taking a few Jersey’s off my hands?

    I have an Expos one & a WBC A-Rod…

    email me: cinemazero225@aol.com

    back to religion and football:
    http://en.wikipedia....

    I’ll see you and raise:

    http://www.theonion....

    i call[/quote]

    That’s only about a 30 minute drive away from me and I laugh hysterically every time I see.[/quote]

    I’ve seen that before, where is that exactly?[/quote]
    Just FYI to everyone, it’s about 10 miles north of the Cincinnati metro area in Ohio.

  • Peter | November 24, 2008 at 2:50 pm |

    “Just FYI to everyone, it’s about 10 miles north of the Cincinnati metro area in Ohio”.

    Even with that, Ohio NFL teams don’t have a prayer…

  • MPowers1634 | November 24, 2008 at 2:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”301859″]Twins unveil Throwback Jerseys for Saturday Nights:

    Thanks for the link, Mark. It’s interesting how some of the throwbacks aren’t thrown all the way back, so to speak. The Twins are going to do what the Brewers: Represent a double-knit pullover era uniform with button-down jersey and belts.

    Of course, the teams can do whatever they want. But I would suggest that to pass UW muster, all the details should be historically accurate.

    I know, I’m really out on a limb with that last bit, aren’t I? ;-)[/quote]

    Correct me If I’m wrong, but it seems to me that the consensus of the board is that the majority are in favor of the Phillies’ retro style alts.

    Why can’t a team slightly modernize a vintage design? No it won’t be historically accurate, but it will be a relative facsimile, no?

  • Ricko | November 24, 2008 at 2:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”301845″]http://media.2theadvocate.com/images/football2k6+cover+photo.jpg
    cannons jersey

    bandits
    http://images.google...

    I’ll dig when I get home. That’s a replica jersey because it’s flex lettering, and the Chinese Bandits photo could be practice jerseys. I may be wrong, I just know that if they’re purple in the photos I have from magazines at the time, they are about nine shades darker than the purple on the helmets, shoulder loops and pants stripes (you’ll see when compared to the Chinese Bandits photo)…and why they’d appear to be black.

    The point is, we’ll figure it out one way or the other.

    —Ricko

    —Ricko

  • K Dawg | November 24, 2008 at 3:01 pm |

    it is along i-75 north of Cincinnati. I’ve driven past it hundreds of times.

    check out the wikipedia article for more info:
    http://en.wikipedia....(statue)

  • K Dawg | November 24, 2008 at 3:02 pm |

    Apparently the link didn’t work, so I’ll try an TinyURL:

    http://tinyurl.com/5...

  • Zac Neubauer | November 24, 2008 at 3:03 pm |

    the joy of getting your first uniform.

    http://images.google...

  • JTH | November 24, 2008 at 3:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”301863″]Correct me If I’m wrong, but it seems to me that the consensus of the board is that the majority are in favor of the Phillies’ retro style alts.

    Why can’t a team slightly modernize a vintage design? No it won’t be historically accurate, but it will be a relative facsimile, no?[/quote]
    This one’s a toss-up to me. On the one hand, the fauxback is a huge step up from the Twins’ regular look. On the other hand, there’s nothing really distinctive about them. It’s really a generic-looking uniform. White jersey with a script wordmark. *yawn*. Pullover jersey/elastic waistband would give that uniform a distinctive look.

    The Phillies’ cream-colored alts got personality. Personality goes a long way.

  • Jim MI | November 24, 2008 at 3:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”301865″]it is along i-75 north of Cincinnati. I’ve driven past it hundreds of times.

    check out the wikipedia article for more info:
    http://en.wikipedia....(statue)%5B/quote%5D

    Thats it….. I’ve driven by it numberous time on drives through Ohio…

  • GoTerriers | November 24, 2008 at 3:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”301846″][quote comment=”301808″][quote comment=”301804″]I was reading the Rams throwback article and was a bit surprised to see that NFL rules require that a team not change it’s throwback uniforms for five years after deciding on a throwback style. What purpose does this serve? It just seems to be an artificial and needless impediment to teams celebrating their past…as does the tremendously long “notice” period that the league requires before teams decide to wear throwbacks or make other uniform alterations. The NFL is getting so corporate that it often gets in the way of itself. Uniform changes should not be allowed without any notice by any league, but it should be much easier to make changes than what the current NFL rules allow.

    By the way, if the argument is that the notice period prevents stupid or ugly uniform alterations, I would submit the current unis of the Cardinals, the Bills and the Bengals as counterarguments. As far as I know, the plans for these blights were submitted per NFL rules.[/quote]
    Makes sense to me since it prevents the teams from changing throwbacks every year just as a marketing ploy . . .[/quote]

    i dont understand what the problem would be in having different throwbacks every year, even as a marketing ploy (as sports is a business, as the whole debate over the cross being worn has brought up time and time again today). wouldnt it be really cool to see teams wearing a different throwback or different alternate jersey every year? even in a one-and-done setting for each particular uniform it seems like a great way to get a lot of good looking uniforms either back out onto the field or debuted on the field. it also seems like a very good harbinger for change for teams (cough….bills…cough) to make some changes.[/quote]

    Sports is a business I agree. But the reason that changing uniforms every year is BAD is becuase you’re in effect changing “the BRAND”. With the advent of free agency and players changing teams as frequently as a newborn has his diaper changed, the uniforms ARE the team (a Uni-watch variation of “Clothes make the man.”) The reason that teams like the Yankees, Penn State, the Celtics, and the Browns are so iconic, aside from winning traditions is that they are instantly recognizable because of the uniforms. It’s a money grab by teams who are playing on their fans sense of loyalty to always have the latest, current outfit. If I really wanted to, I could dress my 6-year old son in the same Yankees jersey that I wore when I was 6 (Of course he’s a Red Sox fan, so that presentes other, ahem, issues)

  • chance | November 24, 2008 at 3:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”301859″]Twins unveil Throwback Jerseys for Saturday Nights:

    Thanks for the link, Mark. It’s interesting how some of the throwbacks aren’t thrown all the way back, so to speak. The Twins are going to do what the Brewers: Represent a double-knit pullover era uniform with button-down jersey and belts.

    Of course, the teams can do whatever they want. But I would suggest that to pass UW muster, all the details should be historically accurate.

    I know, I’m really out on a limb with that last bit, aren’t I? ;-)[/quote]

    Haven’t yet read the Twins’ press release, but the Brewers have never pretended that their throwbacks were historically accurate. They’re updated to reflect modern trends – button-ups, belts, sleeve logo etc. Inspired by the originals, but not true throwbacks.

  • Ricko | November 24, 2008 at 3:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”301864″][quote comment=”301845″]http://media.2theadvocate.com/images/football2k6+cover+photo.jpg
    cannons jersey

    bandits
    http://images.google...

    I’ll dig when I get home. That’s a replica jersey because it’s flex lettering, and the Chinese Bandits photo could be practice jerseys. I may be wrong, I just know that if they’re purple in the photos I have from magazines at the time, they are about nine shades darker than the purple on the helmets, shoulder loops and pants stripes (you’ll see when compared to the Chinese Bandits photo)…and why they’d appear to be black.

    The point is, we’ll figure it out one way or the other.

    —Ricko

    Here you can see the numbers do look considerably darker than the shoulder loops. Certainly darker than the one posted.
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    Likewise…
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    I’ll see more when I get home. I know of one in particular where they look extraordinarily black. As I said, I may be wrong and they’re just really dark purple which, given the technical limitations of TV, photography and printing back then may well have looked black.

    —Ricko

  • Ferdinand Cesarano | November 24, 2008 at 3:17 pm |

    Regarding the Syracuse Chiefs, they are the masters of adapting thier identity to the wordmark and style of the parent club. (Except durign the “Sky Chiefs” era.) Here is a great Blue Jay style that they wore in the early 90s, and with this amazing cap logo.

  • Tim | November 24, 2008 at 3:21 pm |

    You gonna to make him tuck it in, big boy?

  • Mark W | November 24, 2008 at 3:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”301868″][quote comment=”301863″]Correct me If I’m wrong, but it seems to me that the consensus of the board is that the majority are in favor of the Phillies’ retro style alts.

    Why can’t a team slightly modernize a vintage design? No it won’t be historically accurate, but it will be a relative facsimile, no?[/quote]
    This one’s a toss-up to me. On the one hand, the fauxback is a huge step up from the Twins’ regular look. On the other hand, there’s nothing really distinctive about them. It’s really a generic-looking uniform. White jersey with a script wordmark. *yawn*. Pullover jersey/elastic waistband would give that uniform a distinctive look.

    The Phillies’ cream-colored alts got personality. Personality goes a long way.[/quote]

    The “fauxback” – Oh, I think that term is going to get a lot of reuse in here.

  • KT | November 24, 2008 at 3:41 pm |

    Can I ask what possible relevance the 1961 Houston Oilers could have to the people of Nashville, Tennessee?

    I mean, I’m on record as saying the New York Titans thing is specious enough, but at least it’s the same market. Maybe there are four or five old Titans’ fans still around, or maybe you could say it’s a nice bit of history lesson (that would explain a one-time use, but not the several times the Jets have worn them).

    But you might as well have the Titans wear…hell, I don’t know…Memphis Showboats uniforms or something.

  • Robert in Dallas | November 24, 2008 at 3:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”301855″]Twins unveil Throwback Jerseys for Saturday Nights:

    http://www.kare11.co...

    I like them a lot. My biggest complaints with baseball uniforms in the ’70s and ’80s were the lack of buttons and belts, and these throwbacks take care of both issues.

    The Twins might reconsider calling them throwbacks, however, since they are markedly different from those worn by the team back in the day.

  • Pretty Boy Paulie | November 24, 2008 at 3:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”301881″][quote comment=”301855″]Twins unveil Throwback Jerseys for Saturday Nights:

    http://www.kare11.co...

    I like them a lot. My biggest complaints with baseball uniforms in the ’70s and ’80s were the lack of buttons and belts, and these throwbacks take care of both issues.

    The Twins might reconsider calling them throwbacks, however, since they are markedly different from those worn by the team back in the day.[/quote]

    I LIKES THEM TOO….but I don’t care what anybody says the pullover jerseys and elastic belts of the 70’s and 80’s were awesome. Some may have been ugly but they were fun to watch.

  • KT | November 24, 2008 at 3:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”301757″][quote comment=”301719″]Okay, I’ll take the bait. Why is Singletary’s cross so offensive to you?[/quote]

    Keep your God to yourself.

    A big wooden cross really or a cross on the cap? Put it away I am not religious at all and I don’t want to see it? What is he trying to convert me or such?[/quote]

    I’ll chime in here (even though I don’t wear a religious emblem and prefer to keep my faith to myself):

    I’m sure there are some people who make outward displays of their points of view (on religion, politics, or what have you) in an attempt to shock/piss off people or to attract attention to themselves, or to proselytize (none of which I necessarily agree with, but it’s a free country).

    But there are also people who are less concerned about what you think of their display of faith (for example) and more concerned with what their personal deity thinks of it.

    In short, if they’re actually wearing a cross/star/pentagram to be pious, it’s highly likely that they couldn’t care less what the hell you think of their jewelry.

  • Ricko | November 24, 2008 at 3:53 pm |

    I downloaded this cover to my desktop and zoomed in until it was huge. No red or blue in the numbers at all. Nothing but gray and black. Shoulder loops, etc., full of color.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

  • Pretty Boy Paulie | November 24, 2008 at 4:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”301863″][quote comment=”301859″]Twins unveil Throwback Jerseys for Saturday Nights:

    Thanks for the link, Mark. It’s interesting how some of the throwbacks aren’t thrown all the way back, so to speak. The Twins are going to do what the Brewers: Represent a double-knit pullover era uniform with button-down jersey and belts.

    Of course, the teams can do whatever they want. But I would suggest that to pass UW muster, all the details should be historically accurate.

    I know, I’m really out on a limb with that last bit, aren’t I? ;-)[/quote]

    Correct me If I’m wrong, but it seems to me that the consensus of the board is that the majority are in favor of the Phillies’ retro style alts.

    Why can’t a team slightly modernize a vintage design? No it won’t be historically accurate, but it will be a relative facsimile, no?[/quote]

    LOVE those Phillies “Fauxbacks”!!

    I HAVE ZERO problems withe teams modernizing a vintage design. More teams should do that instead of going with an entirely “modern” design (NBA i’m looking at you).
    Shoot, I wish my Cubbies would scrap their terribe blue alternate and break a modern revamp of one of their historical jersey.

    I would be estatic to see one of these as our road unis uni’s…http://exhibits.base...

    or maybe one of these as a new home alternate…
    http://cache.daylife...

  • LI Phil | November 24, 2008 at 4:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”301867″]the joy of getting your first uniform.

    http://images.google...

    damn kids and their flat brims!

  • Paul Lukas | November 24, 2008 at 4:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”301883″][quote comment=”301757″][quote comment=”301719″]Okay, I’ll take the bait. Why is Singletary’s cross so offensive to you?[/quote]

    Keep your God to yourself.

    A big wooden cross really or a cross on the cap? Put it away I am not religious at all and I don’t want to see it? What is he trying to convert me or such?[/quote]

    I’ll chime in here (even though I don’t wear a religious emblem and prefer to keep my faith to myself):

    I’m sure there are some people who make outward displays of their points of view (on religion, politics, or what have you) in an attempt to shock/piss off people or to attract attention to themselves, or to proselytize (none of which I necessarily agree with, but it’s a free country).

    But there are also people who are less concerned about what you think of their display of faith (for example) and more concerned with what their personal deity thinks of it.

    In short, if they’re actually wearing a cross/star/pentagram to be pious, it’s highly likely that they couldn’t care less what the hell you think of their jewelry.[/quote]

    Yeah, but as noted earlier, someone in a managerial capacity SHOULD care what others think — it comes with the job. Even if it isn’t “Look at me,” people ARE gonna look and notice. Especially if the symbol is as big and conspicuous as Singletary’s.

  • KT | November 24, 2008 at 4:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”301888″]Yeah, but as noted earlier, someone in a managerial capacity SHOULD care what others think — it comes with the job. Even if it isn’t “Look at me,” people ARE gonna look and notice. Especially if the symbol is as big and conspicuous as Singletary’s.[/quote]

    I see your point and respect that, but you seem to be missing mine. Not saying this is my way of thinking, because I might very well agree with you under a similar circumstance.

    I’m just saying that there are those (you and I may not be among them) to whom such earthly concerns are trivial in the grand scHEme.

    Right or wrong. No judgment on that. Just saying I believe there are people who feel that way and they can be chided or derided all you care to and you can have HR department warnings sent their way, but not everybody is overly concerned with how it looks to you and me (or the people who work under them).

    Again, no finding of right or wrong on my part. Just sayin’.

  • Robert | November 24, 2008 at 4:17 pm |

    OK, with all of the talk about 55-0 or 66-10 or whatever, I had to share the most ridiculous football score I’ve ever seen, with highlights and purple uniforms. In an NCAA Div II game between West Texas A&M and Abilene Christian, West Tx had the fortune to socre 68 points–and lose. ACU scored TDs on 13 of their 14 possessions to win 93-68. Here’s the link showing you every single score, which I have to type because I can’t hotlink for some reason. It’s the 3rd video on the right hand side.

    http://www.reportern...

    ACU’s colors are purple and white and I still have fond memories of seeing them play with my Dad when I was growing up. That purple still looks good to me.

  • Zac Neubauer | November 24, 2008 at 4:18 pm |

    oh dear kevin costner

    http://images.google...

  • RaoulDuke | November 24, 2008 at 4:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”301883″][quote comment=”301757″][quote comment=”301719″]Okay, I’ll take the bait. Why is Singletary’s cross so offensive to you?[/quote]

    Keep your God to yourself.

    A big wooden cross really or a cross on the cap? Put it away I am not religious at all and I don’t want to see it? What is he trying to convert me or such?[/quote]

    I’ll chime in here (even though I don’t wear a religious emblem and prefer to keep my faith to myself):

    I’m sure there are some people who make outward displays of their points of view (on religion, politics, or what have you) in an attempt to shock/piss off people or to attract attention to themselves, or to proselytize (none of which I necessarily agree with, but it’s a free country).

    But there are also people who are less concerned about what you think of their display of faith (for example) and more concerned with what their personal deity thinks of it.

    In short, if they’re actually wearing a cross/star/pentagram to be pious, it’s highly likely that they couldn’t care less what the hell you think of their jewelry.[/quote]

    I think those types come across as very insecure.

  • Teebz | November 24, 2008 at 4:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”301827″]Ricko,

    I see and understand your point, but the bottom line: it works for them…some have souls and others need some kind of intervention…[/quote]

    At 3-8, you need something more than just an intervention.

  • Paul Lukas | November 24, 2008 at 5:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”301889″]I’m just saying that there are those (you and I may not be among them) to whom such earthly concerns are trivial in the grand scHEme.[/quote]

    And such people do not belong in supervisory positions. For that matter, they’re dangerous on any level, since, by your description, they think rules don’t apply to them, which gives them the leeway to break whatever laws they choose.

    I’m not saying Singletary is such a person (I’m fairly certain he’s not). But I’m saying that the argument you make hardly works in his favor.

  • Glenn | November 24, 2008 at 5:36 pm |

    In regards to big wooden crosses with sports, this always comes to mind

    here

  • JTH | November 24, 2008 at 5:45 pm |

    On the subject of new college football rivalry trophies, look for a new one at next year’s Illinois-Northwestern game.

  • David T | November 24, 2008 at 5:45 pm |

    As noted earlier, the Twins’ “fauxbacks” are to commemorate their first season in the Metrodome, 1982. Unfortunately, the Twins were 60-102 that year (though, of course, a lot of the players who would win the Series a few years later would be mainstays of this team). The question is, how many other clubs have had a regular throwback to honor a team that really sucked, at least in terms of record? The natural choice would be an ’87 or ’91 throwback, but today’s unis are the same as those, more or less…

  • KT | November 24, 2008 at 5:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”301895″][quote comment=”301889″]I’m just saying that there are those (you and I may not be among them) to whom such earthly concerns are trivial in the grand scHEme.[/quote]

    And such people do not belong in supervisory positions. [/quote]

    In. Your. Opinion.

    Which is fine.

    [quote]For that matter, they’re dangerous on any level, since, by your description, they think rules don’t apply to them, which gives them the leeway to break whatever laws they choose.[/quote]

    No, they think their deity’s rules supercede the laws of man. I’m not saying that’s right or wrong. I’m saying there are people who think that way (and, let’s be honest, I didn’t mean for it to get away from a discussion of a guy wearing a cross, for heaven’s sake – sometimes a cross is just a cross, let’s not extrapolate it out to the point where he has to stone someone to death for wearing two different types of cloth sewn together because I’m not saying that).

    [quote]I’m not saying Singletary is such a person (I’m fairly certain he’s not). But I’m saying that the argument you make hardly works in his favor.[/quote]

    I’m not making an argument for him or against him. You believe he shouldn’t do it. That’s fine. I don’t care if he does or not because I don’t like to get worked up about stuff that doesn’t appear to really be mission-critical to me.

    He appears to supervise people who are grownups (well, adults, in any case) who should be able to distinguish between their supervisor’s belief system and their own.

    And if you give me Tom Landry or B.A. Quinlan as an example of a coach who showed favoritism towards “God Squadders,” I’ll give you Jim McMahon at BYU.

    I’m just telling you that sometimes there are people who don’t give a rat’s ass what you or I think about how they choose to display their faith or opinion, in part because the amendment that guarantees you freedom of religion doesn’t say anything about you not being able to express your faith (there are other laws that, obviously, limit what you can do “in the name of religion” and it’s not black and white).

    You can take it down the slippery slope if you please and one can then make a case that David Koresh was just “expressing his faith” in a way that most didn’t agree with, but I’m not saying that.

    Mike Singletary can wear a cross and John Kitna can wear a cross and Kevin Youkilis can wear a Star of David if he likes and I don’t think that’s “dangerous.” But that’s just me. I’m just not going to get that worked up about it. If my boss had a pentagram around her neck, I’d say “Knock yourself out.” Even though I’m not into that.

    It’s America, mate.

  • Ricko | November 24, 2008 at 5:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”301898″]As noted earlier, the Twins’ “fauxbacks” are to commemorate their first season in the Metrodome, 1982. Unfortunately, the Twins were 60-102 that year (though, of course, a lot of the players who would win the Series a few years later would be mainstays of this team). The question is, how many other clubs have had a regular throwback to honor a team that really sucked, at least in terms of record? The natural choice would be an ’87 or ’91 throwback, but today’s unis are the same as those, more or less…[/quote]

    That, and those Twins double knits were among the most nondescript, off-the-rack, boring unis of that era. Since they’re going back outdoors, I’d like to have seen them alternate throwbacks between the American Association Minneapolis Millers (Giants AAA affiliate) and St. Paul Saints (Dodgers AAA team), the long-time teams (and affiliations) that ceased to exist when the Senators moved to the Twin Cities.

    http://ebbets.com/Au...

    This one would be in the white homes, of course…
    http://ebbets.com/Au...

  • Dan | November 24, 2008 at 6:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”301900″][quote comment=”301898″]As noted earlier, the Twins’ “fauxbacks” are to commemorate their first season in the Metrodome, 1982. Unfortunately, the Twins were 60-102 that year (though, of course, a lot of the players who would win the Series a few years later would be mainstays of this team). The question is, how many other clubs have had a regular throwback to honor a team that really sucked, at least in terms of record? The natural choice would be an ’87 or ’91 throwback, but today’s unis are the same as those, more or less…[/quote]

    That, and those Twins double knits were among the most nondescript, off-the-rack, boring unis of that era. Since they’re going back outdoors, I’d like to have seen them alternate throwbacks between the American Association Minneapolis Millers (Giants AAA affiliate) and St. Paul Saints (Dodgers AAA team), the long-time teams (and affiliations) that ceased to exist when the Senators moved to the Twin Cities.

    http://ebbets.com/Au...

    This one would be in the white homes, of course…
    http://ebbets.com/Au...

    Does anyone know if they are going to wear their current helmuts or if they’ll pair them with some red ones for next year?…

  • Dan | November 24, 2008 at 6:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”301901″][quote comment=”301900″][quote comment=”301898″]As noted earlier, the Twins’ “fauxbacks” are to commemorate their first season in the Metrodome, 1982. Unfortunately, the Twins were 60-102 that year (though, of course, a lot of the players who would win the Series a few years later would be mainstays of this team). The question is, how many other clubs have had a regular throwback to honor a team that really sucked, at least in terms of record? The natural choice would be an ’87 or ’91 throwback, but today’s unis are the same as those, more or less…[/quote]

    That, and those Twins double knits were among the most nondescript, off-the-rack, boring unis of that era. Since they’re going back outdoors, I’d like to have seen them alternate throwbacks between the American Association Minneapolis Millers (Giants AAA affiliate) and St. Paul Saints (Dodgers AAA team), the long-time teams (and affiliations) that ceased to exist when the Senators moved to the Twin Cities.

    http://ebbets.com/Au...

    This one would be in the white homes, of course…
    http://ebbets.com/Au...

    Does anyone know if they are going to wear their current helmuts or if they’ll pair them with some red ones for next year?…[/quote]
    *correction* Helmet…boy is my face red…

  • Podunk Texas | November 24, 2008 at 6:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”301835″][quote comment=”301833″][quote comment=”301832″]Shifting gears:

    Anyone interested in taking a few Jersey’s off my hands?

    I have an Expos one & a WBC A-Rod…

    email me: cinemazero225@aol.com

    back to religion and football:
    http://en.wikipedia....

    I’ll see you and raise:

    http://www.theonion....

    i call[/quote]

    Big Butter Jesus! Sweet Cream Jesus! I Can’t Believe It’s Not Jesus! Oleo Lord! –Heywood Banks’ fabulous song, Big Butter Jesus…

    One of the lines is “like he’s scorin’ a touchdown”

  • Podunk Texas | November 24, 2008 at 6:33 pm |

    and by the way… i always that thought that a “melvin” was a front-wedgie… maybe that’s just what happened in my neighborhood, though?

  • =bg= | November 24, 2008 at 6:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”301869″][quote comment=”301865″]it is along i-75 north of Cincinnati. I’ve driven past it hundreds of times.

    check out the wikipedia article for more info:
    http://en.wikipedia....(statue)%5B/quote%5D

    Thats it….. I’ve driven by it numberous time on drives through Ohio…[/quote]

    I lived in Cincinnati 27 years. Where is this specifically?

  • Johnny O | November 24, 2008 at 6:37 pm |

    Big wooden cross don’t get much bigger then what Gallardo had on at the end of the season this year.
    http://i147.photobuc...

    Speaking of Milwaukee, has anyone ever seen this Buck uni before?
    http://images.google...

  • Bruce | November 24, 2008 at 6:46 pm |

    On Friday Paul said he had a new short on Page 2 on NBA throwbacks this year. I haven’t been able to find that on the site. Does anyone have a link or know if it was ever put on line?

  • LynchMob | November 24, 2008 at 6:49 pm |

    An atomic wedgie indeed!

    http://en.wikipedia....

    Although it wasn’t techically over his head, I think I would still throw the flag and ask for a review.

  • Bruce | November 24, 2008 at 6:51 pm |

    Yeah, but as noted earlier, someone in a managerial capacity SHOULD care what others think — it comes with the job. Even if it isn’t “Look at me,” people ARE gonna look and notice. Especially if the symbol is as big and conspicuous as Singletary’s.

    This is probably the best argument anyone could make on the issue. If it was a player wearing it, or with a cross or bible verse or whatever on their tape or anything during a game it would be okay. But on a coach, or trainer, or athletic director is completely inappropriate. The only exception would be at a religious institution – such as Notre Dame or Boston college.

  • Brian | November 24, 2008 at 6:56 pm |

    Liking that new Twins design.
    The script is cool IMO.

  • Kyle | November 24, 2008 at 6:57 pm |

    The ’82 throwbacks are for the last year in the Metrodome (’82 was the first year in the Dome), so using throwbacks for outdoor baseball would be inappropriate. Looks like the Twins will have 1961 throwbacks in 2010 (see the last paragraph of :

    http://www.startribu... )

    when they finally do go outdoors again.

    Also, they won’t ever use a Saints throwback– the Northern League St. Paul Saints have been playing across town since the mid ’90’s (and in the late ’90’s were a much harder ticket to get in the Twin Cities than a Twins game).

  • mtjaws | November 24, 2008 at 6:59 pm |

    Has “fauxbacks” ever been used before? What a great/relevant word for here.

    As for Obama’s logo, I liked how it was simply modified for many niche groups and states. Click on Logos at his site:
    http://www.barackoba...

    I quite liked the Montana copper uniforms. Fits the history of the area.

  • Bill | November 24, 2008 at 7:00 pm |

    Towards the end of Saturday’s Ohio State vs. Michigan game one of the announcers brought up the tradition of Buckeyes players receiving a gold pants pendant for beating Michigan. The second announcer asked, “Why do they get gold pants?”, to which the first announcer responded, “I don’t know.” Why bring up the topic if you don’t know the background details? Obviously they missed Paul’s entry about the tradition a couple years ago.

  • Katie | November 24, 2008 at 7:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”301904″]and by the way… i always that thought that a “melvin” was a front-wedgie… maybe that’s just what happened in my neighborhood, though?[/quote]

    thats what it was in my neighborhood too.

  • Paul Lukas | November 24, 2008 at 7:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”301907″]On Friday Paul said he had a new short on Page 2 on NBA throwbacks this year. I haven’t been able to find that on the site. Does anyone have a link or know if it was ever put on line?[/quote]

    Bottom-left of this page:
    http://sports.espn.g...

  • JTH | November 24, 2008 at 7:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”301906″]Speaking of Milwaukee, has anyone ever seen this Buck uni before?
    http://images.google...
    Yeah — I used to love those. I don’t know how many seasons they had them, but it was the Glenn Robinson/Vin Baker era.

  • JTH | November 24, 2008 at 7:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”301912″]Has “fauxbacks” ever been used before? What a great/relevant word for here.[/quote]
    Yeah. I’m pretty sure it has. I know I’ve seen it somewhere, I’d assume that this is the place. I didn’t just make it up.
    [quote]As for Obama’s logo, I liked how it was simply modified for many niche groups and states. [/quote]
    I’ve posted it here before, but I think this one is absolutely brilliant.

  • LarenR | November 24, 2008 at 7:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”301912″]Has “fauxbacks” ever been used before? What a great/relevant word for here.[/quote]
    Both when Milwaukee and when Philly introduced their alternate unis there were discussions about what to call a uniform that was too wrong in too many of the details to be a “true throwback.” A few terms were thrown around to describe a modern uniform with old elements or a “retro” feel. Harkback was one and fauxback was another. I think there were a few more, but those seem to be the ones that stuck.

  • MPowers1634 | November 24, 2008 at 7:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”301912″]Has “fauxbacks” ever been used before? What a great/relevant word for here.

    As for Obama’s logo, I liked how it was simply modified for many niche groups and states. Click on Logos at his site:
    http://www.barackoba...

    I quite liked the Montana copper uniforms. Fits the history of the area.[/quote]

    This is by far my favorite:

    http://i207.photobuc...

  • Brad | November 24, 2008 at 7:43 pm |

    I was at the Ohio State-Michigan game and not only did Jamison go nameless, but the band picked up on it and started chanting “Hey seventy-eight, what’s your name?”

  • Bruce | November 24, 2008 at 7:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”301915″][quote comment=”301907″]On Friday Paul said he had a new short on Page 2 on NBA throwbacks this year. I haven’t been able to find that on the site. Does anyone have a link or know if it was ever put on line?[/quote]

    Bottom-left of this page:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    Thanks, my bad, I was looking for an article. I must have done a search by author with your name at least a dozen times over the weekend.

  • Carl | November 24, 2008 at 8:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”301911″]The ’82 throwbacks are for the last year in the Metrodome (’82 was the first year in the Dome), so using throwbacks for outdoor baseball would be inappropriate. Looks like the Twins will have 1961 throwbacks in 2010 (see the last paragraph of :

    http://www.startribu... )

    when they finally do go outdoors again.

    Also, they won’t ever use a Saints throwback– the Northern League St. Paul Saints have been playing across town since the mid ’90’s (and in the late ’90’s were a much harder ticket to get in the Twin Cities than a Twins game).[/quote]

    …actually I think that the reference was intended for one of the earlier versions of the St. Paul Saints, who were a Brooklyn Dodgers minor club in the first half of the century. Those unis were great and similar to the widely popular Phillie’s cream-colored kits.http://terrancefoger...

    Either way, I do like the Twins fauxbacks, throwbacks or really gentle, underhanded tossbacks but wouldn’t mind the baby blue ones.
    http://www.fratersli...
    Or the original Twins flannels… http://www.gasolinea...

  • Carl | November 24, 2008 at 8:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”301902″][quote comment=”301901″][quote comment=”301900″][quote comment=”301898″]As noted earlier, the Twins’ “fauxbacks” are to commemorate their first season in the Metrodome, 1982. Unfortunately, the Twins were 60-102 that year (though, of course, a lot of the players who would win the Series a few years later would be mainstays of this team). The question is, how many other clubs have had a regular throwback to honor a team that really sucked, at least in terms of record? The natural choice would be an ’87 or ’91 throwback, but today’s unis are the same as those, more or less…[/quote]

    That, and those Twins double knits were among the most nondescript, off-the-rack, boring unis of that era. Since they’re going back outdoors, I’d like to have seen them alternate throwbacks between the American Association Minneapolis Millers (Giants AAA affiliate) and St. Paul Saints (Dodgers AAA team), the long-time teams (and affiliations) that ceased to exist when the Senators moved to the Twin Cities.

    http://ebbets.com/Au...

    This one would be in the white homes, of course…
    http://ebbets.com/Au...

    Does anyone know if they are going to wear their current helmuts or if they’ll pair them with some red ones for next year?…[/quote]
    *correction* Helmet…boy is my face red…[/quote]

    …great pun with the Red helmets, by the way. That would be sweet to see red lids at the plate.

    CS

  • Justin | November 24, 2008 at 8:43 pm |

    I sense the beginning of the jock strap logo. Just think about all the free publicity Nike would get if there was a swoosh on it….the sad thing is, they’re probably in a boardroom in Oregon considering the same thing.

  • Johnny F. | November 24, 2008 at 9:04 pm |

    What’s up guys?

    I’ve been dealing with some serious UW withdrawal symptoms… (damn moving and damn moving related chores).

    I did want to drop this note though… Looks like Tiger Woods will be sans the Buick logo on his golf bag for the first time in 8 years. GM is making cuts, and Tiger wants some more time to himself/family. I wonder what will be on his back next. A big ass swoosh would be the safe bet, but ya never know. He has all sorts of endorsements.

    http://sports.espn.g...

  • JR Boucicaut | November 24, 2008 at 9:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”301905″][quote comment=”301869″][quote comment=”301865″]it is along i-75 north of Cincinnati. I’ve driven past it hundreds of times.

    check out the wikipedia article for more info:
    http://en.wikipedia....(statue)%5B/quote%5D

    Thats it….. I’ve driven by it numberous time on drives through Ohio…[/quote]

    I believe it’s Miamisburg

    I lived in Cincinnati 27 years. Where is this specifically?[/quote]

  • LI Phil | November 24, 2008 at 9:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”301919″]This is by far my favorite:

    http://i207.photobuc...

    been to a lot of shows, there, matt?

  • jon | November 24, 2008 at 9:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”301870″][quote comment=”301846″][quote comment=”301808″][quote comment=”301804″]I was reading the Rams throwback article and was a bit surprised to see that NFL rules require that a team not change it’s throwback uniforms for five years after deciding on a throwback style. What purpose does this serve? It just seems to be an artificial and needless impediment to teams celebrating their past…as does the tremendously long “notice” period that the league requires before teams decide to wear throwbacks or make other uniform alterations. The NFL is getting so corporate that it often gets in the way of itself. Uniform changes should not be allowed without any notice by any league, but it should be much easier to make changes than what the current NFL rules allow.

    By the way, if the argument is that the notice period prevents stupid or ugly uniform alterations, I would submit the current unis of the Cardinals, the Bills and the Bengals as counterarguments. As far as I know, the plans for these blights were submitted per NFL rules.[/quote]
    Makes sense to me since it prevents the teams from changing throwbacks every year just as a marketing ploy . . .[/quote]

    i dont understand what the problem would be in having different throwbacks every year, even as a marketing ploy (as sports is a business, as the whole debate over the cross being worn has brought up time and time again today). wouldnt it be really cool to see teams wearing a different throwback or different alternate jersey every year? even in a one-and-done setting for each particular uniform it seems like a great way to get a lot of good looking uniforms either back out onto the field or debuted on the field. it also seems like a very good harbinger for change for teams (cough….bills…cough) to make some changes.[/quote]

    Sports is a business I agree. But the reason that changing uniforms every year is BAD is becuase you’re in effect changing “the BRAND”. With the advent of free agency and players changing teams as frequently as a newborn has his diaper changed, the uniforms ARE the team (a Uni-watch variation of “Clothes make the man.”) The reason that teams like the Yankees, Penn State, the Celtics, and the Browns are so iconic, aside from winning traditions is that they are instantly recognizable because of the uniforms. It’s a money grab by teams who are playing on their fans sense of loyalty to always have the latest, current outfit. If I really wanted to, I could dress my 6-year old son in the same Yankees jersey that I wore when I was 6 (Of course he’s a Red Sox fan, so that presentes other, ahem, issues)[/quote]

    that wasnt really what i meant. dont change the whole scheme, just have an alternate (read: third – alternate or throwback) that changes. and dont make it mandatory that teams do it, just dont make it illegal. that way it works both ways.

    and forgive me for this but…

    browns? iconic? no. dont think so. when i think of iconic i think that star down there in big d even tho i haaate the cowboys. i think the interlocked navy ny, even tho i hate the yankees. i think the green jerseys in the garden for the celts. but i would never call anything about the browns iconic.

    dont mean to offend you, i just dont think of the brownies that way. this is all in jest.

  • Dan | November 24, 2008 at 9:21 pm |

    Also, they won’t ever use a Saints throwback– the Northern League St. Paul Saints have been playing across town since the mid ’90’s (and in the late ’90’s were a much harder ticket to get in the Twin Cities than a Twins game).[/quote]

    …actually I think that the reference was intended for one of the earlier versions of the St. Paul Saints, who were a Brooklyn Dodgers minor club in the first half of the century.

    It would be kind-of insulting to wear the uni’s of an across town team.

    Either way, I do like the Twins fauxbacks, throwbacks or really gentle, underhanded tossbacks but wouldn’t mind the baby blue ones.
    http://www.fratersli...
    Or the original Twins flannels… http://www.gasolinea...

    In my opinion the baby blue unis are horribly overplayed. Listen they all got rid of em cause they were horrible eyesores on the field. Now the original twins flannels are a thing of beauty, hope we see em next year.

  • Kevin M. | November 24, 2008 at 9:23 pm |

    Is it just me or is there something different with the Packers uni tonight? They seem to really pop on the screen.

  • jon | November 24, 2008 at 9:35 pm |

    ok so something that i just thought of… forgive me if its been brought up but the talk about st. johns and duke wearing black being stupid because they have other colors in the names of their mascots made me think of something.

    why do the syracuse orange (not even orange-anything, just the orange) wear navy blue football jerseys? and why does that not seem to bother anyone lol? i mean i think thats even worse than the red storm or blue devils or blue demons (from today’s ticker” wearing black. is it only because they are wearing black that people get upset? because it seems like the orange wearing blue is pretty dumb too.

  • Rob | November 24, 2008 at 9:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”301888″][quote comment=”301883″][quote comment=”301757″][quote comment=”301719″]Okay, I’ll take the bait. Why is Singletary’s cross so offensive to you?[/quote]

    Keep your God to yourself.

    A big wooden cross really or a cross on the cap? Put it away I am not religious at all and I don’t want to see it? What is he trying to convert me or such?[/quote]

    I’ll chime in here (even though I don’t wear a religious emblem and prefer to keep my faith to myself):

    I’m sure there are some people who make outward displays of their points of view (on religion, politics, or what have you) in an attempt to shock/piss off people or to attract attention to themselves, or to proselytize (none of which I necessarily agree with, but it’s a free country).

    But there are also people who are less concerned about what you think of their display of faith (for example) and more concerned with what their personal deity thinks of it.

    In short, if they’re actually wearing a cross/star/pentagram to be pious, it’s highly likely that they couldn’t care less what the hell you think of their jewelry.[/quote]

    Yeah, but as noted earlier, someone in a managerial capacity SHOULD care what others think — it comes with the job. Even if it isn’t “Look at me,” people ARE gonna look and notice. Especially if the symbol is as big and conspicuous as Singletary’s.[/quote]

    Two points on this:

    1) That cross may also be Singletary’s way of reminding himself to remain calm while dealing with these players. It’s kind of like how Mike Ditka (Singletary’s coaching mentor, BTW) used to wear a tie during the ’80s to remind himself not to lose his temper during games (didn’t always work, however).

    2) With the way the 49ers are playing nowadays, they could use all of the help they can get.

    “I’m a religious man, Captain, and I believe the good Lord will get us out of this. However, it’s going to require his undivided attention.”
    — submarine mechanic to his captain on the chances of their sub making it through Japanese-infested waters to a subport during the early days of WWII.

  • fluxcap | November 24, 2008 at 10:13 pm |

    John Daly reminding Australia just how observant us Americans are…

  • max | November 24, 2008 at 10:20 pm |

    while i am usually not a big fan of black alt. unis, those shark jerseys are tremendous. everything except the number on front. but everything else works.

  • LI Phil | November 24, 2008 at 10:21 pm |

    it’s a lock! i hit my 7-iron like john daly hits the 3…

  • Ricko | November 24, 2008 at 10:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”301931″]ok so something that i just thought of… forgive me if its been brought up but the talk about st. johns and duke wearing black being stupid because they have other colors in the names of their mascots made me think of something.

    why do the syracuse orange (not even orange-anything, just the orange) wear navy blue football jerseys? and why does that not seem to bother anyone lol? i mean i think thats even worse than the red storm or blue devils or blue demons (from today’s ticker” wearing black. is it only because they are wearing black that people get upset? because it seems like the orange wearing blue is pretty dumb too.[/quote]

    Syracuse’s colors are orange and navy. They used to be the “Orangemen” until that was deemed racially insensitive (although until last Saturday “OoompaLoompas” mighta been a better alternative than “Orange”).

    Your logic isn’t bad, but it gets the same answer when you ask why the Texas Tech Red Raiders wear black. Because their colors are red and black.

    More bewildering, though, is why doesn’t a team called the “Fighting Irish” wear kelly green?

    Yeah, I know, I know, its because the school colors were navy and gold before the “Fighting Irish” tag was applied, but still…

  • MPowers1634 | November 24, 2008 at 11:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”301927″][quote comment=”301919″]This is by far my favorite:

    http://i207.photobuc...

    been to a lot of shows, there, matt?[/quote]

    Not one, but I love the combining of logos.

    Same goes for their music. I have no idea what they ‘re singing about, but they sound pretty good.

  • max | November 24, 2008 at 11:06 pm |

    Seen enough of the GU patch this season? Of course not!

    Now you, YES YOU, can give your respects to the late Gene Upshaw by wearing your very own GU patch hat.

    – NFL

    (Check the Drew Brees interview in the 3rd quarter of the MNF game.)

  • Carl | November 24, 2008 at 11:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”301929″]In my opinion the baby blue unis are horribly overplayed. Listen they all got rid of em cause they were horrible eyesores on the field. Now the original twins flannels are a thing of beauty, hope we see em next year.[/quote]

    While we can all agree that flannel upholds all that is good and traditional about baseball, it’s all to easy to attack the light blue pullover craze that hit baseball in the 70’s and early 80’s. I think that it was a significant milestone in the uniform history of baseball. The first significant departure from the standards of white and gray, giving baseball a much needed boost in intrigue for the game, even if they weren’t what people were used to looking at (I say first because sleeveless jerseys aren’t that radical, just lighter). Plus, far to many of those fields that the baby blue jerseys were the less-than sacred AstroTurf, whose off-green tone contrasted them horribly. Today so many fields have returned to natural turf that there’s honest potential to be intriguing again.

    Now, I have no defense for the Cubs version of the light-blues. They were just an awful experiment into a realm of pinstripes we shall never enter into again.
    http://www.distantre...
    http://images.google...
    boo.

  • LI Phil | November 24, 2008 at 11:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”301937″][quote comment=”301927″][quote comment=”301919″]This is by far my favorite:

    http://i207.photobuc...

    been to a lot of shows, there, matt?[/quote]

    Not one, but I love the combining of logos.

    Same goes for their music. I have no idea what they ‘re singing about, but they sound pretty good.[/quote]

    i’ve been to the shows…i been to 112 shows–the 112 greatest shows of my life…you know, you never bring your own dope to the shows, somebody else hooks you up…it was great…you drop four-by windowpane in the parking lot, the arenas are like cathedrals, the security guards all have mace, and the women all have hairy legs and petrulli…

  • max | November 24, 2008 at 11:19 pm |

    Let the religion issue go people. If you made millions of dollars by playing a GAME, you would probably be thanking some sort of deity. If you get rid of his cross, you get have to get rid of the finger point to god that we see all the time.

    The real question is, should the league fine him for wearing an article of clothing that is not made by Reebok?

    Presenting the wooden Reebok cross, with a nylon string. This new cross shows your faith with the lightest most aerodynamic piece of wood ever!

    Back to the real serious issue, this cross is ok. In fact, coaches should be able to wear more of their own clothing. I miss the cool hats (see: Bum Phillips) and suits that were a part of the old NFL. It’s a shame that coaches could only wear a suit made by Reebok 2 times a year recently. And they were made by Reebok…gross. That makes as much sense as an Armani football uni.

  • KT | November 24, 2008 at 11:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”301893″][quote comment=”301883″][quote comment=”301757″][quote comment=”301719″]Okay, I’ll take the bait. Why is Singletary’s cross so offensive to you?[/quote]

    Keep your God to yourself.

    A big wooden cross really or a cross on the cap? Put it away I am not religious at all and I don’t want to see it? What is he trying to convert me or such?[/quote]

    I’ll chime in here (even though I don’t wear a religious emblem and prefer to keep my faith to myself):

    I’m sure there are some people who make outward displays of their points of view (on religion, politics, or what have you) in an attempt to shock/piss off people or to attract attention to themselves, or to proselytize (none of which I necessarily agree with, but it’s a free country).

    But there are also people who are less concerned about what you think of their display of faith (for example) and more concerned with what their personal deity thinks of it.

    In short, if they’re actually wearing a cross/star/pentagram to be pious, it’s highly likely that they couldn’t care less what the hell you think of their jewelry.[/quote]

    I think those types come across as very insecure.[/quote]

    But the folks who say “OOh, that person is wearing a cross around their neck and that means they’re shoving their religion into my face” don’t come off as insecure at all. Not one bit. Nossir.

  • Stuby | November 24, 2008 at 11:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”301937″][quote comment=”301927″][quote comment=”301919″]This is by far my favorite:

    http://i207.photobuc...

    been to a lot of shows, there, matt?[/quote]

    Not one, but I love the combining of logos.

    Same goes for their music. I have no idea what they ‘re singing about, but they sound pretty good.[/quote]
    They did one hell of an a capella national anthem, back before Jerry’s heart exploded.

  • LI Phil | November 24, 2008 at 11:52 pm |

    [quote]They did one hell of an a capella national anthem, back before Jerry’s heart exploded.[/quote]

    other than opening a giants game, you ever see em stu?

  • Johnny O | November 25, 2008 at 12:02 am |

    [quote comment=”301935″]it’s a lock! i hit my 7-iron like john daly hits the 3…[/quote]

    “The critical opening phrase of this poem will always be the grip. Which the hands unite to form a single unit by the simple overlap of the little finger. Lowly and slowly the clubhead is led back. Pulled into position not by the hands, but by the body which turns away from the target shifting weight to the right side without shifting balance. Tempo is everything; perfection unobtainable as the body coils down at the top of the swing. Theres a slight hesitation. A little nod to the gods. Yeah, to the gods. That he is fallible. That perfection is unobtainable. And now the weight begins shifting back to the left pulled by the powers inside the earth. It’s alive, this swing! A living sculpture and down through contact, always down, striking the ball crisply, with character. A tuning fork goes off in your heart and your balls. Such a pure feeling is the well-struck golf shot. Now the follow through to finish. Always on line. The reverse C of the Golden Bear! The steel workers’ power and brawn of Carl Sandburg’s. Arnold Palmer! End the unfinished symphony of Roy McAvoy.”

    Great movie. Hard to believe it came out 12 years ago! Lefty looks like he is 16 in the flick.

  • jmart | November 25, 2008 at 12:03 am |

    [quote comment=”301879″]Can I ask what possible relevance the 1961 Houston Oilers could have to the people of Nashville, Tennessee?

    I mean, I’m on record as saying the New York Titans thing is specious enough, but at least it’s the same market. Maybe there are four or five old Titans’ fans still around, or maybe you could say it’s a nice bit of history lesson (that would explain a one-time use, but not the several times the Jets have worn them).

    But you might as well have the Titans wear…hell, I don’t know…Memphis Showboats uniforms or something.[/q

    The new york titans were around in the sixties and immediatly became the new york jets afterwards
    so yeah id say that the throwbacks are pretty relevant

  • John | November 25, 2008 at 12:06 am |

    Oregon v Alabama just tipped off in Maui. Oregon is in douchebag gear as usual, with black NOB on black jerseys (again, as is basically standard). They’re also in bright green and yellow patent leather hyperdunks.

  • Paul Lukas | November 25, 2008 at 12:26 am |

    [quote comment=”301942″][quote comment=”301893″][quote comment=”301883″][quote comment=”301757″][quote comment=”301719″]Okay, I’ll take the bait. Why is Singletary’s cross so offensive to you?[/quote]

    Keep your God to yourself.

    A big wooden cross really or a cross on the cap? Put it away I am not religious at all and I don’t want to see it? What is he trying to convert me or such?[/quote]

    I’ll chime in here (even though I don’t wear a religious emblem and prefer to keep my faith to myself):

    I’m sure there are some people who make outward displays of their points of view (on religion, politics, or what have you) in an attempt to shock/piss off people or to attract attention to themselves, or to proselytize (none of which I necessarily agree with, but it’s a free country).

    But there are also people who are less concerned about what you think of their display of faith (for example) and more concerned with what their personal deity thinks of it.

    In short, if they’re actually wearing a cross/star/pentagram to be pious, it’s highly likely that they couldn’t care less what the hell you think of their jewelry.[/quote]

    I think those types come across as very insecure.[/quote]

    But the folks who say “OOh, that person is wearing a cross around their neck and that means they’re shoving their religion into my face” don’t come off as insecure at all. Not one bit. Nossir.[/quote]

    Why is it “insecure” to say a supervisor shouldn’t wear a (comparatively) massive piece of religious hardware in the workplace?

    I don’t think I (or anyone) would have said anything if he just wore a normal-sized gold cross pendant on a small chain like everyone else. Instead he wore something that called out for attention. Well, he got it.

  • Teebz | November 25, 2008 at 12:27 am |

    [quote comment=”301934″]while i am usually not a big fan of black alt. unis, those shark jerseys are tremendous. everything except the number on front. but everything else works.[/quote]

    O. M. G.

    Do you realize that they sold out the entire set of uniforms to Seagate?

    Everything works except the front jersey number… and the fact that the alternates are a BILLBOARD FOR A PRODUCT!

    San Jose is the first sell-out in the NHL, and should be slapped with a fine equal to the value of the partnership with Seagate.

    Effing ridiculous.

  • The Hemogoblin | November 25, 2008 at 12:40 am |

    [quote comment=”301949″][quote comment=”301934″]while i am usually not a big fan of black alt. unis, those shark jerseys are tremendous. everything except the number on front. but everything else works.[/quote]

    O. M. G.

    Do you realize that they sold out the entire set of uniforms to Seagate?

    Everything works except the front jersey number… and the fact that the alternates are a BILLBOARD FOR A PRODUCT!

    San Jose is the first sell-out in the NHL, and should be slapped with a fine equal to the value of the partnership with Seagate.

    Effing ridiculous.[/quote]

    Seagate?

  • LI Phil | November 25, 2008 at 12:45 am |

    [quote comment=”301950″][quote comment=”301949″][quote comment=”301934″]while i am usually not a big fan of black alt. unis, those shark jerseys are tremendous. everything except the number on front. but everything else works.[/quote]

    O. M. G.

    Do you realize that they sold out the entire set of uniforms to Seagate?

    Everything works except the front jersey number… and the fact that the alternates are a BILLBOARD FOR A PRODUCT!

    San Jose is the first sell-out in the NHL, and should be slapped with a fine equal to the value of the partnership with Seagate.

    Effing ridiculous.[/quote]

    Seagate?[/quote]

    here kenny

  • jon | November 25, 2008 at 1:05 am |

    [quote comment=”301947″]Oregon v Alabama just tipped off in Maui. Oregon is in douchebag gear as usual, with black NOB on black jerseys (again, as is basically standard). They’re also in bright green and yellow patent leather hyperdunks.[/quote]

    is it just me or is there a floral pattern in the yellow stripe down the side of the oregon unis?

  • Sammy | November 25, 2008 at 1:10 am |

    [quote comment=”301950″][quote comment=”301949″][quote comment=”301934″]while i am usually not a big fan of black alt. unis, those shark jerseys are tremendous. everything except the number on front. but everything else works.[/quote]

    O. M. G.

    Do you realize that they sold out the entire set of uniforms to Seagate?

    Everything works except the front jersey number… and the fact that the alternates are a BILLBOARD FOR A PRODUCT!

    San Jose is the first sell-out in the NHL, and should be slapped with a fine equal to the value of the partnership with Seagate.

    Effing ridiculous.[/quote]

    Seagate?[/quote]

    So if we can somehow make this into some big controversy, it will be Seagate-gate?

    Coincidence? My security word is sea.

  • jon | November 25, 2008 at 1:23 am |

    scratch that.. there is DEFINITELY a floral pattern in the yellow in the side of oregon’s bball unis. its because of their tournament being in maui. i like the touch, even though i dont like the unis.

    can anyone get a screengrab?

  • The Hemogoblin | November 25, 2008 at 1:38 am |

    That’s ridiculous.

    WOW.

    That’s kowtowing to an extent unseen previously in major American sports.

  • JTH | November 25, 2008 at 7:04 am |

    [quote comment=”301955″]That’s ridiculous.

    WOW.

    That’s kowtowing to an extent unseen previously in major American sports.[/quote]
    …or even in the NHL.

  • Stuby | November 25, 2008 at 8:16 am |

    [quote comment=”301944″][quote]They did one hell of an a capella national anthem, back before Jerry’s heart exploded.[/quote]

    other than opening a giants game, you ever see em stu?[/quote]
    Sorry, Phil, didn’t mean to leave you hangin’ like that. I’ve never gone to a Dead show – they weren’t really my cup of (hemp) tea.

  • Peter | November 25, 2008 at 8:18 am |

    [quote comment=”301956″][quote comment=”301955″]That’s ridiculous.

    WOW.

    That’s kowtowing to an extent unseen previously in major American sports.[/quote]
    …or even in the NHL.[/quote]

    Isn’t the Canucks whale also their parent company’s orca logo or something like that?

    Wouldn’t this fall into the same realm?

  • Teebz | November 25, 2008 at 10:47 am |

    [quote comment=”301958″][quote comment=”301956″][quote comment=”301955″]That’s ridiculous.

    WOW.

    That’s kowtowing to an extent unseen previously in major American sports.[/quote]
    …or even in the NHL.[/quote]

    Isn’t the Canucks whale also their parent company’s orca logo or something like that?

    Wouldn’t this fall into the same realm?[/quote]

    Slightly different. The previous group that owned the Canucks was Orca Bay, so they used the killer whale in their logo to represent the ownership group.