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Monday Morning Uni Watch

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Greetings, comrades. Been a long time since we had a weekend filled with so many uni-notable news items. Here’s a breakdown:

• College football coaches wore little plastic tag-ish thingies to support muscular dystrophy research.

• It’s rare that you see such a gruesome jersey repair as this. That’s Quan Cosby of Texas, who had to be stitched up in the first half yesterday. (Thanks to Josh Curran for the screen grab.)

• Did Ryan Howard have an iPod in his pocket on Saturday night or did he trade in his packet of sunflower seeds for a handful of lo mein? (Screen grab courtesy of Wayne Koehler.)

• The Rays brought a shipment of earflapped caps to Philly, but Joe Madden‘s apparently the only one who’s worn them during one of the games. Did Jimmy Rollins do so, or was it only for the postgame interview?

• Reader Rick Friedel notes that JaMarcus Russell was apparently wearing something red under his helmet, as you can see by looking at his earholes. It wasn’t there when he took his helmet off, so was it built into the helmet..? If anyone knows more about this, please fill us in.

• The Saints and Chargers wore a jersey patch for their game in London.

• The Jets wore a patch to honor the 40th anniversary of the Super Bowl III championship team.

• The Blackhawks and Red Wings revealed the throwback jerseys they’ll be wearing for the annual Winter Classic game, and goddamn do they look awesome (additional info here and here, there’s a video clip here, and additional pics here and here). Here’s an old photo showing what the Chicago design is based on.

• Throwbacks yesterday in Pittsburgh and San Francisco (where Delanie Walker went a little stripe-happy).

Uni Watch News Ticker: In addition to ruining baseball pants, George Hendrick apparently liked visors so much that he wore them while posing for Topps photos on at least two separate occasions (with thanks to Andy Chalifour). … Interesting piece here about how uniforms play a role in college recruiting. … In case you missed it in Friday’s comments, the guy with the Batman logos in this photo has been identified as Richard “Batman” Wood. Additional pics of him and his namesake logo here and here (with thanks to Richard Dickson). … Chris Salove reports that Boise High School in Idaho uses an arrowhead-shaped “Boise” NOB (the team is called the Braves), plus the varsity squad uses a center spear decal while the JV doesn’t. … Here’s a photo gallery from last Thursday’s anti-cancer night at Nassau Coliseum, complete with pink-taped hockey sticks (with thanks to John Muir). … Also from John: The best shot yet of Rick DiPietro’s new mask. … Swedish hockey ref Thomas Andersson had to dress like this on Thursday. Why is that noteworthy? Because the Swedish refs normally wear gray, ad-festooned sweaters, but Andersson lost his gear on the way to Thursday’s game and ended up having to don traditional zebrawear (with thanks to Roy Ellingsen). … Just when you thought you’d seen everything, here’s a company that makes jersey-shaped napkins (with thanks to Jerry Duke). … Wow, somebody sure liked Velcro! Details here (with thanks to Joe Hilseberg). … Joe Skiba reports that the Giants will not be wearing their red alternate jerseys this year. … The Nats will unveil an updated uni set on November 6th. … Six days after that, the Orioles are planning a uni unveiling. Here’s the invitation (courtesy of Kenneth Levin), which makes it pretty clear that they’ll finally be switching to the long-rumored “Baltimore” road uni. … Oh man, how awesome is this?! That’s a 1928 Victoria Cubs sweater, which was up for auction a few years back (great find by David Soline). … Major historical find by Kenn Tomasch: a 25-second video clip of the Marlins unveiling their original uni set in 1992. … Good article here about a day in the life of the Calgary Flames’ equipment staff (with thanks to Chris Brard). … More cakes, this time all Texas A&M-themed, as seen here, here, here, here, and here (big thanks to Bryan Blake). … Alejandro Macri sent along some shots of the Argentine soccer team Vélez Sársfield. “These uniforms are their third alternates,” he writes. “Note the mismatched socks!” … Brett Moran reports that East Mississippi (a junior college) has a very odd jersey design. … Check this out: an 1879 baseball team featuring what might be the earliest recorded instance of a player wearing his cap backwards (courtesy of Tom Shieber). … Kinda says it all, no? Rick Subrizio spotted that license plate in a parking lot in Natick, Massachusetts. … Are those airborne paint chips after a helmet-to-helmet collision? Kyle Shoun thinks so. … Not many people realize that after Yogi Berra managed the Yankees in 1964, he came out of retirement and played in four games for the Mets in 1965, getting nine at-bats. You can see one of those ABs at the 3:07 mark of this early Mets highlight video (with thanks to Paul Wiederecht). … Reprinted from Saturday’s comments: RNOB (roman numeral on back) .That’s Missouri punter Jake Harry IV. … Also from Saturday: The Revolution Speed helmet finally has its own web site. … Reprinted from yesterday’s comments: Logo creep has made it all the way to the pinkie. … NSFW: Nice body-painted Chase Utley jersey here. … Fascinating contribution from Marc Burgess, who reports that his girlfriend received this ad for the NFL Network in the mail. He writes: “My first thought was, ‘Why did they change Ray Lewis’s number to 25?’ My second thought was, ‘Why did the change the jersey number but not the helmet number?’ And they left Gurode’s number the same.” Very odd.

 

290 comments to Monday Morning Uni Watch

  • steve | October 27, 2008 at 8:41 am |

    JaMarcus’ QB radio reciever/speaker is showing in the picture.

  • Jim MI | October 27, 2008 at 8:53 am |

    I was very happy with the jerseys unveiled for the NHL Winter Classic.

    Happy to know the Wings are not doing this design:

    http://www.icejersey...

    I do like this jersey, however mixed with this:

    http://www.icejersey...

    I was afraid it’d look like a bunch of barber poles skating around. Probably would have been too much striping for me. The DET one unveiled has striping, just not as much. Plus I have always liked the old Cougar/Falcon design anyways.

    It’s going to be a hell of a game. Too bad there will be close to zero tickets for the general public :( Starting to think I won’t be making it to the game :(

  • JTH | October 27, 2008 at 8:53 am |

    Paul linked to a couple of my pics of the Winter Classic jerseys in today’s post, but there are more here as well (in case you weren’t reading yesterday’s comments).

  • LI Phil | October 27, 2008 at 8:58 am |

    [quote]Probably would have been too much striping[/quote]

    is that possible?

    /actually, i agree, but PL might differ on that assessment ;)

  • Ricko | October 27, 2008 at 9:01 am |

    Correct me if I’m wrong here, but aren’t the 49ers the only one of pro football’s “dynasties” of the past 50 years or so (Packers, Dolphins, Steelers and Cowboys being the others) that isn’t wearing essentially the same unis as their glory years? Yes, I know…Dolphins have screwed around with orange jerseys and aqua pants, but basically the look is the same.

    So there it is. That’s why they’ve been on a downhill plunge since the change; they’ve offended the uni gods.

    Change ’em back, Niners. For another thing, they just LOOK better. And go back to white shoes, too. Not every team should wear black, not every team should wear white…but white calls to mind Rice-Montana, et al, so go with it.

    —Ricko
    (Man, when I get to be King, things’ll be different. LOL)

  • Anthony | October 27, 2008 at 9:04 am |

    Does anyone know what the pins that the Fox broadcasters were wearing during the pregame show and at least the Giants broadcast were for?

  • Hank | October 27, 2008 at 9:05 am |

    Re: Wash/ND paint chips. What the heck is that on the belt loop of ND halfback Robert Hughes? The offensive playlist or the drive-thru menu at Arby’s? Is it out of the ordinary for a running back to have the playlist instead of the QB?

  • DenverGregg | October 27, 2008 at 9:06 am |

    This old fart agrees w/ Ricko re: 49ers.

    Interestingly on Saturday, Baylor had two RNOB players. The QB wore “Griffin III” and a lineman wore “Gay IV”.

    Both Texas and Texas Tech wear much nicer looking numbers on the helmet than they do on the jersey. T Tech had worn the current helmet numbers (though larger) as jersey numbers in recent years.

  • MPowers1634 | October 27, 2008 at 9:08 am |

    http://farm4.static....

    Concerning the Boise Arrowhead helmets…many schools make their players “Earn” their decals once they get to Varsity, including the John Jay Patriots whom I posted last week!

  • KT | October 27, 2008 at 9:09 am |

    [quote comment=”296905″]Does anyone know what the pins that the Fox broadcasters were wearing during the pregame show and at least the Giants broadcast were for?[/quote]

    Fox Sports Supports. Charitable initiative.

    The Rays’ manager is Joe Maddon, not Madden. I’ll bet he gets that a lot.

    And the Favre shot is proof that things have gone too damn far when it comes to hanging stuff on NFL uniforms.

  • LI Phil | October 27, 2008 at 9:09 am |

    hey ricko…don’t forget to include the g-men in that list of football dynasties…

    while i love love love the current blue (which is of course a throwback)…you really couldn’t argue with this…(plus, look at that blood on LT’s trou)…not too far from the original, and they won two SB’s in that outfit

  • Don | October 27, 2008 at 9:16 am |

    I had an Aggie Bonfire groom’s cake. Minus the flames, though. Nice touch.

    Don’t ND and UW repaint their helmets every week? That would give credence to the paint-chip theory.

  • Seth H | October 27, 2008 at 9:19 am |

    “Traditional zebrawear”?!?!

    You call orange gussets “traditional”? I can’t imagine what that looks like when the ref raises his arm for a delayed penalty.

  • Elena | October 27, 2008 at 9:26 am |

    Awwww, aren’t those Jerseynaps just precious?
    I’m sad to see the Orioles switching to the Baltimore road jersey. I hope the Cardinals and Phillies never follow suit.

  • Dave | October 27, 2008 at 9:28 am |

    The “Getting started” section of this article talks about how the Panthers uniforms came to be.
    http://www.charlotte...

    Some highlights:
    The name was selected by the Richardsons, without the help of a focus group, years before they got the franchise.
    The blue is “passion blue”, and is a sort of mix of UNC and Duke blues. (This is odd considering the team represents both NC and SC, and also that Duke has no football tradition.)
    The article makes it seem that the blue jerseys existed from the start (or maybe I’m reading it wrong), but I’m sure they only started wearing them in the past 5 years or so.

  • Hott Rodd | October 27, 2008 at 9:29 am |

    My mother in law always hooks me up with themed cakes.

    My Groom’s cake in august was a cowboys helmet, and my birthday cake this past weekend was a cowboys jersey. It’s always fun to try to guess what she and my wife will come up with next.

  • Dave | October 27, 2008 at 9:31 am |

    [quote comment=”296914″]The “Getting started” section of this article talks about how the Panthers uniforms came to be.
    http://www.charlotte...

    Some highlights:
    The name was selected by the Richardsons, without the help of a focus group, years before they got the franchise.
    The blue is “passion blue”, and is a sort of mix of UNC and Duke blues. (This is odd considering the team represents both NC and SC, and also that Duke has no football tradition.)
    The article makes it seem that the blue jerseys existed from the start (or maybe I’m reading it wrong), but I’m sure they only started wearing them in the past 5 years or so.[/quote]
    Sorry, the blue is “process blue”, not “passion blue”.

  • John Zajac | October 27, 2008 at 9:32 am |

    I come in to my desk, bring up uni watch, and see that my pinkie picture has made it into the ticker.

    Best. Monday. Morning. Ever.

  • Ricko | October 27, 2008 at 9:38 am |

    [quote comment=”296910″]hey ricko…don’t forget to include the g-men in that list of football dynasties…

    while i love love love the current blue (which is of course a throwback)…you really couldn’t argue with this…(plus, look at that blood on LT’s trou)…not too far from the original, and they won two SB’s in that outfit[/quote]

    ‘Tis true, they won two, but those Giants (like the Redskins and Raiders, who also had hot periods) just don’t seem to get put on the level with the teams I mentioned. The current Giants sure do look like they could wind up there, though, I’ll give you that.

    When I get to King, you can be court jester. Promise.

  • MPowers1634 | October 27, 2008 at 9:39 am |

    [quote comment=”296906″]Re: Wash/ND paint chips. What the heck is that on the belt loop of ND halfback Robert Hughes? The offensive playlist or the drive-thru menu at Arby’s? Is it out of the ordinary for a running back to have the playlist instead of the QB?[/quote]

    The reasons are twofold:

    1. Much like any other fad, it’s wearing is purely cosmetic.

    2. Much like Chevrons on an officer’s uniform, the wearing of the playlist denotes importance within the offense, even if it is only implied, as in this case.

    3. Even at an esteemed institution such as ND, sometimes you have players that are quite forgetful, so it’s wearing is to prevent miscues.
    With an offense as intricate as Charlie Weis’s, that is probably necessary.

    Too bad, they can’t run it effectively. It’s quite ironic that the only players that ran the Weis offense effectively were the recruits of the former ND and soon to be former Washinton coach, Ty Willingham!

    BTW, I took my wife, daughters, and a few of their friends to see HSM3 on Saturday. Excellent film, great singing, dancing and some uni-centric observations.

    1. The WIldcats hoops unis are great, subtle, clean, however there is a large Champion C on the left shoulder. Plus they had hooded warmups with the Wildcat logo on either side.

    2. The Tuxed jacket, complete with nameplate and number matching the date’s dress was AWESOME…I guarantee that is going to be very popular this year.

    3. When the hoops/Theatre star graduates, his father is in the bleachers and throws on a cap with the school’s logo(I’m vague because it’s the main mystery within the plot). On the left side of the cap, there’s a rather large Nike swoosh!

    Let the bashing begin!

  • MPowers1634 | October 27, 2008 at 9:40 am |

    I meant threefold, sorry!

  • Andy--01 | October 27, 2008 at 9:41 am |

    I stopped reading that article about College FB Uniforms when I saw that Penn State and Alabama were on the list of Ugliest Uniforms.

    The author obviously doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Penn State’s Uniforms are gorgeous, Alabama’s are fantastic because of their timeless quality. Absolutely ridiculous.

    And, for the record, I’m not a fan of either school.

  • Brian | October 27, 2008 at 9:45 am |

    Wow. That Chase Utley jersey woke me right up!!!

  • Ricko | October 27, 2008 at 9:48 am |

    [quote comment=”296921″]I stopped reading that article about College FB Uniforms when I saw that Penn State and Alabama were on the list of Ugliest Uniforms.

    The author obviously doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Penn State’s Uniforms are gorgeous, Alabama’s are fantastic because of their timeless quality. Absolutely ridiculous.

    And, for the record, I’m not a fan of either school.[/quote]

    Yeah, I moment I get the feeling the “crtic” is thinking old or traditional automatically is bad and that everything should be updated, big and splashy, he’s lost me. Likewise, if I think he’s saying ONLY old is good, he loses me.

    I love West Virginia’s montone football unis, for example. It’s the thought process (or lack of same) and execution (does it work?) that I look for. Likewise, some of Oregon’s combos really work, some are just…ick.

  • Rick Chaney | October 27, 2008 at 9:49 am |

    RE: Russell’s ear hole – I saw that in last week’s game as well. I thought it was either the receiver ear piece or a guard to protect his earrings. I am still amazed that football players can wear those big earrings under their helmet and not get poked in the neck by the stud. Or lose them during a game. One of those diamonds probably cost more than I make in a year.

  • MPowers1634 | October 27, 2008 at 9:49 am |

    [quote comment=”296921″]I stopped reading that article about College FB Uniforms when I saw that Penn State and Alabama were on the list of Ugliest Uniforms.

    The author obviously doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Penn State’s Uniforms are gorgeous, Alabama’s are fantastic because of their timeless quality. Absolutely ridiculous.

    And, for the record, I’m not a fan of either school.[/quote]

    I am going to sound very fickle, but I choose what teams I root for based on unis.

    PSU/OSU: Definitely PSU mainly because of the great unis but because of the Buckeyes’ affinity for Riddell helmets, plus I’m not a fan of Pryor!However, I like Tressel immensely.

    Oregon/ASU: Toss up, I love both, however my sentimental choice would be Oregon because of the history at the school.

    Bama/UT: Love Bama’s simple unis. Dislike Tennessee because of Adidas and I’ve just never liked the Vols. Plus, the best back to ever come out of our county won a National Championship at Bama!

  • Justin in AR | October 27, 2008 at 9:50 am |

    Should’ve asked this question on Saturday, but I was watching the GA vs. LSU game Saturday and noticed that Knowshon Moreno was wearing on red stocking on one leg. I didn’t notice any other Georgia players wearing them, so I was curious. Anyone know what’s up with that?
    http://scores.espn.g...

  • fluxcap | October 27, 2008 at 9:51 am |

    [quote comment=”296917″]I come in to my desk, bring up uni watch, and see that my pinkie picture has made it into the ticker.

    Best. Monday. Morning. Ever.[/quote]

    I too woke up and saw my picture of Jimmy Rollins with his ear flaps made it to the article, sweet!

  • Darren | October 27, 2008 at 9:53 am |

    Hey everybody, make sure you stick around until the end of the video of the Winter Classic sweaters. You’ll get a chance to see one of the best personalized hockey sweaters ever!

  • Ronnie Poore | October 27, 2008 at 9:54 am |

    re: the 49ers.

    those throwback unis look so good and so natural …made me wish that they had been playing against a team that was wearing one of the classic designs, for instance vs. the cowboys or bears, instead of the new-school seahawks.

  • Rick | October 27, 2008 at 9:55 am |

    jarmarcus Russell…how do we know for sure that its the ear piece for the communication device? Does anyone have pics of the device? Id love to see what its all about.

  • Jim MI | October 27, 2008 at 9:56 am |

    Isn’t it a sign that baseball season is too long and they play too many games when the league actually gives you WINTER HATS to play with?? Just a thought…

  • Dave Sterling | October 27, 2008 at 9:57 am |

    Paul, don’t forget that the Browns wore a memorial sticker for Gene Hickerson, who passed away this week.

    http://d.yimg.com/a/...

  • DJ | October 27, 2008 at 10:02 am |

    Fox showed another Rays player in the dugout with the earflap cap on last night, no idea who it was though.

  • Andrew | October 27, 2008 at 10:09 am |

    Let’s hope that the wings and hawks wear the appropriate breezers and socks during the winter classic. If so the wings will have white breezers and candy cane striped socks.

  • u2-horn | October 27, 2008 at 10:10 am |

    [quote comment=”296907″]
    Both Texas and Texas Tech wear much nicer looking numbers on the helmet than they do on the jersey. [/quote]

    That’s crazy talk. The Longhorns’ rounded helmet numerals would look awful on the jersey. Their jersey numerals are classic.

    http://upload.wikime...

  • Dave F. | October 27, 2008 at 10:10 am |

    I get the feeling that the writer of the college FB uniform article had no input whatsoever on the gallery that got shoehorned at the top of the page. It’s actually a good piece on the different approaches to uniforms (with PSU on one side and Oregon on the other). I’d like to chalk the gallery up to some dipshit in the graphics department.

    Dave, PSU class of ’94

  • Nicole | October 27, 2008 at 10:12 am |

    [quote comment=”296926″]Should’ve asked this question on Saturday, but I was watching the GA vs. LSU game Saturday and noticed that Knowshon Moreno was wearing on red stocking on one leg. I didn’t notice any other Georgia players wearing them, so I was curious. Anyone know what’s up with that?
    http://scores.espn.g...

    Looks like a neoprene compression sleeve to me

  • Kim | October 27, 2008 at 10:16 am |

    I noticed in the 9th that Rollins was sporing the earflaps on the field.

  • Paul Lukas | October 27, 2008 at 10:17 am |

    Quick question for all you footwear gurus out there … What brand is this?:
    http://farm4.static....

  • JTH | October 27, 2008 at 10:21 am |

    [quote comment=”296928″]Hey everybody, make sure you stick around until the end of the video of the Winter Classic sweaters. You’ll get a chance to see one of the best personalized hockey sweaters ever![/quote]
    You talking ’bout this? Yeah, I got a chuckle out of it. Normally, I’m not a fan of unimaginitive “(team/city name here) sucks” taunting, but that was great.

  • u2-horn | October 27, 2008 at 10:22 am |

    For Bryan and other face-painting lovers out there

    http://i15.photobuck...

    http://www.wfaa.com/...

  • Dave | October 27, 2008 at 10:22 am |

    Either the player shown in front of Door #4 in the Swedish-referee picture is a shrimp, or those boards are just unnaturally high. I’ve never seen armpit-high boards before.

  • steve | October 27, 2008 at 10:25 am |

    [quote comment=”296930″]jarmarcus Russell…how do we know for sure that its the ear piece for the communication device? Does anyone have pics of the device? Id love to see what its all about.[/quote]
    I remember seeing a helmet earpiece being worked on earlier in the season. Don’t have a picture or remember which game.

  • John | October 27, 2008 at 10:25 am |

    Might be the only time in my life, past, present and future, that I would want to own a Chase Utley jersey. Phucking Philthies….grumble, grumble, grumble.

  • floormaster squeeze | October 27, 2008 at 10:27 am |

    I propose that considering the photographic evidence uncovered and tickered here that from now on we all refer to wearing a hat backward as a “Remak”.

    Actually I know wearing a hat backward in the 20’s and 30’s was not only considered unfashionable but horribly bad luck. I seem to recall a story about a jockey who flouted convention and had a horrible accident while racing with a backward jockey cap.

  • Dave | October 27, 2008 at 10:27 am |

    Ray Lewis = controversial individual once tried for murder

    Andre Gurode = who?

  • MPowers1634 | October 27, 2008 at 10:28 am |

    Sectional football playoffs have begun im my area.

    One team in particular wnet with a “special” alternate for their playoff game this past Friday night:

    Home:
    http://jukebox.lohud...

    http://jukebox.lohud...

    http://jukebox.lohud...

    Road:
    http://jukebox.lohud...

    http://jukebox.lohud...

    http://jukebox.lohud...

    Alt:
    http://jukebox.lohud...

    http://jukebox.lohud...

    http://jukebox.lohud...

    Interesting that all three jerseys are made my different manufacturers.

    When the Gryphons broke out their black alt for their playoff game against Mahopac, last pic, they lost by 1 point!

    Notice that the Mahopac defender is wearing a Schutt helmet with a Riddell facemask.

  • CoachKing | October 27, 2008 at 10:28 am |

    That NFL Network add made me think of the WAC football conference commercial. It talks about Colt Brennan’s 58 TD passes but shows a highlight of the backup with his number blurred out.

    http://www.wacsports...

    it is at about the 11 second mark

  • LI Phil | October 27, 2008 at 10:35 am |

    [quote]I . . . see that my pinkie picture has made it into the ticker.[/quote]

    if you posted that on any board besides UW…heh

  • dm00n | October 27, 2008 at 10:39 am |

    This bit of the college FB uni article says everything:

    While Van Horne tells a story about Paterno not wanting to switch to the latest version of Nike’s sideline jacket because there’s nothing wrong with the old one, Oregon coach Mike Bellotti sits with the designers and makes suggestions on number fonts that might be more slimming for his linemen.

  • LI Phil | October 27, 2008 at 10:39 am |

    [quote comment=”296918″][quote comment=”296910″]hey ricko…don’t forget to include the g-men in that list of football dynasties…

    while i love love love the current blue (which is of course a throwback)…you really couldn’t argue with this…(plus, look at that blood on LT’s trou)…not too far from the original, and they won two SB’s in that outfit[/quote]

    ‘Tis true, they won two, but those Giants (like the Redskins and Raiders, who also had hot periods) just don’t seem to get put on the level with the teams I mentioned. The current Giants sure do look like they could wind up there, though, I’ll give you that.

    When I get to King, you can be court jester. Promise.[/quote]

    i thought about it too, and i see what you mean by ‘dynasties’…and as much as it pains me to say it…the g-men prolly don’t quite fit…but you DID leave off the patsies…they would certainly qualify (and their current unis in NO WAY resemble the beautiful grogan-era reds)…

    when you get to king…heh…no knave for you

  • Jet | October 27, 2008 at 10:43 am |

    Man, that 1965 Mets highlight film has me all misty-eyed. My first year of following the team as a 7-year-old… wow…

    -Jet

  • Jet | October 27, 2008 at 10:45 am |

    As someone who absolutely loves old school and throwback hockey jerseys, I’m underwhelmed by the Detroit sweater. Something like that just doesn’t look right or translate into polyester. I’d probably have a different opinion of it if it were rendered in authentic wool/acrylic.

    And how cool was it to see Bobby Hull with that trademark big grin?!?!

    -Jet

  • Ricko | October 27, 2008 at 10:50 am |

    [quote comment=”296939″]Quick question for all you footwear gurus out there … What brand is this?:
    http://farm4.static....

    Rawlings, I think. A late 70’s shoe. In that era when Brooks, Converse, Mizuno, Acics, Pony–even Spaulding–lept feet first into the cleat business. Right before Nike came along to begin its rise to prominence (dominance?).

    —Ricko

  • JTH | October 27, 2008 at 10:52 am |

    This seems highly unlikely, but is the NFL network on channel 25 in whatever town that ad is from?

  • MPowers1634 | October 27, 2008 at 10:53 am |

    http://jukebox.lohud...

    I would also imagine the numbers being very difficult to read, especially from the press Box and Bleachers.

    Ramapo also has a very unique situation.

    The High School is located within the Town of Ramapo, in Rockland County, New York, about 30 minutes North of Manhattan.

    There are also two other High Schools within the Town, Spring Valley and Suffern.

    About four years ago, the town built an Athletic Complex, Torne Valley, where the three teams would play their home games. Complete with lights and a Field-Turf playing surface, it was a jewel.

    http://www.rocklands...

    Since then, Suffern High School has revamped their own facilities, adding a field turf multi-purpose field as well as two soccer/lacrosse fields complete with lights!

    Occasionally, Spring Valley and Ramapo play at their school fields but very rarely although SV, my alma mater, plays at SV more frequently, perhaps because Ramapo and SV are in the same district, although because of enrollment differentials they don’t play each other.

    http://sc.ramapocent...

    An interesting note for this current season.

    Clarkstown North and Clarkstown South both had their fields renovated this year, revamping them with FT. Neither were ready for the start of the season. Thus both teams have played their home games at either Torne Valley or have been forced to rent out fields from the neighboring schools, such as the one in my town, Tappan Zee, who also put in a beautiful new FT field two years ago.

    http://tappanzee.ccs...

  • Ricko | October 27, 2008 at 10:55 am |

    [quote comment=”296954″][quote comment=”296939″]Quick question for all you footwear gurus out there … What brand is this?:
    http://farm4.static....

    Rawlings, I think. A late 70’s shoe. In that era when Brooks, Converse, Mizuno, Acics, Pony–even Spaulding–lept feet first into the cleat business. Right before Nike came along to begin its rise to prominence (dominance?).

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Oh, yeah, Wilson tried to get in there, too.

    Shown here on Ken Stabler for football, but I remember Bernie Carbo wearing a pair of red onces (with royal trim) with the Red Sox. Carbo was big on off-brands. Wore those Rawlings in red while a Cardinal.

    http://vault.sportsi...

  • u2-horn | October 27, 2008 at 10:57 am |

    [quote comment=”296951″][quote comment=”296918″][quote comment=”296910″]hey ricko…don’t forget to include the g-men in that list of football dynasties…

    while i love love love the current blue (which is of course a throwback)…you really couldn’t argue with this…(plus, look at that blood on LT’s trou)…not too far from the original, and they won two SB’s in that outfit[/quote]

    ‘Tis true, they won two, but those Giants (like the Redskins and Raiders, who also had hot periods) just don’t seem to get put on the level with the teams I mentioned. The current Giants sure do look like they could wind up there, though, I’ll give you that.

    When I get to King, you can be court jester. Promise.[/quote]

    i thought about it too, and i see what you mean by ‘dynasties’…and as much as it pains me to say it…the g-men prolly don’t quite fit…but you DID leave off the patsies…they would certainly qualify (and their current unis in NO WAY resemble the beautiful grogan-era reds)…

    when you get to king…heh…no knave for you[/quote]

    But the Pats are wearing the unis that they wore when they enjoyed their dynasty success.

    And, 2 SB titles do not a dynasty make. Just like one national title in this decade doesn’t make USC a dynasty.

  • Paul Lukas | October 27, 2008 at 10:59 am |

    [quote comment=”296954″][quote comment=”296939″]Quick question for all you footwear gurus out there … What brand is this?:
    http://farm4.static....

    Rawlings, I think. A late 70’s shoe. In that era when Brooks, Converse, Mizuno, Acics, Pony–even Spaulding–lept feet first into the cleat business. Right before Nike came along to begin its rise to prominence (dominance?).

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Good call, Ricko. Here’s confirmation:
    http://farm4.static....

    Same logo on side, familiar Rawlings logo on tongue.

  • PK | October 27, 2008 at 10:59 am |

    I love seeing how “Throwbacks” get modernized…

    http://www.nydailyne...

    The NFL shield is in clear view of the 68 Jets (which CBS talked about, but didn’t show yesterday)

    but a classic Namath Pic shows a clean Jersey with no marks

    http://www.nydailyne...

    (someone mentioned yesterday or the other day that a QB had NO CORPORATE logos on thier sleeve…I miss those)

  • Brendon | October 27, 2008 at 11:00 am |

    [quote comment=”296932″]Paul, don’t forget that the Browns wore a memorial sticker for Gene Hickerson, who passed away this week.

    http://d.yimg.com/a/...
    Here is another pic of the Gene Hickerson decal

  • MPowers1634 | October 27, 2008 at 11:02 am |

    [quote comment=”296959″][quote comment=”296954″][quote comment=”296939″]Quick question for all you footwear gurus out there … What brand is this?:
    http://farm4.static....

    Rawlings, I think. A late 70’s shoe. In that era when Brooks, Converse, Mizuno, Acics, Pony–even Spaulding–lept feet first into the cleat business. Right before Nike came along to begin its rise to prominence (dominance?).

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Good call, Ricko. Here’s confirmation:
    http://farm4.static....

    Same logo on side, familiar Rawlings logo on tongue.[/quote]

    I have NEVER seen those before!!!

  • Kevin in MA | October 27, 2008 at 11:02 am |

    What’s with Chris Paul’s number here.

  • MPowers1634 | October 27, 2008 at 11:05 am |

    [quote comment=”296961″][quote comment=”296932″]Paul, don’t forget that the Browns wore a memorial sticker for Gene Hickerson, who passed away this week.

    http://d.yimg.com/a/...
    Here is another pic of the Gene Hickerson decal[/quote]

    Pet peeve alert…I would assume that the Browns’ numbers are actually BROWN.

    If so, why are they wearing BLACK accented gloves?

  • PK | October 27, 2008 at 11:07 am |

    also, does any other team allow it’s cheerleaders to be victims of Designer logo creep?

    http://www.nydailyne...

    (if you look at the one on the left’s scraf…in the green is Marc Ecko’s sig)

  • Brendon | October 27, 2008 at 11:07 am |

    [quote comment=”296963″]What’s with Chris Paul’s number here.[/quote]
    Someone at SI had a few drinks, and got their hands on Photo Shop

  • LI Phil | October 27, 2008 at 11:08 am |

    [quote]2 SB titles do not a dynasty make.[/quote]

    well, tis true, but then the dolphins wouldn’t be considered a dynasty (ricko’s definition)

    and the boys, with 5 titles, really only won two of those before the 1990’s (but 3 out of 4 in the 1990’s, which certainly qualifies)

    and the giants have 3 SB’s (although the last is almost a generation removed from the first too)

    /but point well taken

  • Ricko | October 27, 2008 at 11:08 am |

    “But the Pats are wearing the unis that they wore when they enjoyed their dynasty success.”

    When were the Patriots a dynasty?
    Did I sleep through it?

    We can debate this til hell is a peachy place to keep frozen orange juice concentrate, I suppose, but the only true NFL dynasties of the TV era (since ’58 or so) generally are considered to be the Packers, Dolphins, Steelers, 49ers and Cowboys.

    That’s not me talking, that’s just, I believe, the consensus.

  • dm00n | October 27, 2008 at 11:09 am |

    The Red Wings Winter Classic jersey is supposed to look like this, or this. Hopefully they go with those socks.

    I would have liked seeing them in this, but maybe that is too subtle. I like the look of those jerseys a lot though. They could have even gone with the diamond captain’s patches.

    They switched to the current sleeves on the white jerseys in 56-57.

  • Ricko | October 27, 2008 at 11:09 am |

    [quote comment=”296967″][quote]2 SB titles do not a dynasty make.[/quote]

    well, tis true, but then the dolphins wouldn’t be considered a dynasty (ricko’s definition)

    and the boys, with 5 titles, really only won two of those before the 1990’s (but 3 out of 4 in the 1990’s, which certainly qualifies)

    and the giants have 3 SB’s (although the last is almost a generation removed from the first too)

    /but point well taken[/quote]

  • Mark | October 27, 2008 at 11:10 am |

    From what I’ve seen, triple Velcro strips were pretty common–if not universal–on the Twins’ 1997 jerseys.

  • Adam | October 27, 2008 at 11:10 am |

    Maybe suits shouldn’t be allowed on NFL sidelines.

    http://sports.espn.g...

  • Brendon | October 27, 2008 at 11:10 am |

    [quote comment=”296968″]”But the Pats are wearing the unis that they wore when they enjoyed their dynasty success.”

    When were the Patriots a dynasty?
    Did I sleep through it?

    We can debate this til hell is a peachy place to keep frozen orange juice concentrate, I suppose, but the only true NFL dynasties of the TV era (since ’58 or so) generally are considered to be the Packers, Dolphins, Steelers, 49ers and Cowboys.

    That’s not me talking, that’s just, I believe, the consensus.[/quote]

    Agree. Patriots Dynasty

  • LI Phil | October 27, 2008 at 11:11 am |

    [quote]When were the Patriots a dynasty?
    Did I sleep through it?[/quote]

    so not going there

  • MPowers1634 | October 27, 2008 at 11:14 am |

    [quote comment=”296974″][quote]When were the Patriots a dynasty?
    Did I sleep through it?[/quote]

    so not going there[/quote]

    Be a good role model, Phil.
    Don’t be a hypocrite either!

  • PK | October 27, 2008 at 11:15 am |

    dy·nas·ty (dī’nə-stē)

    1. A succession of rulers from the same family or line.
    2. A family or group that maintains power for several generations: a political dynasty controlling the state.

    I really only consider the Packers & Steelers to have TRUE dynasties…3 out of 4 is impressive…

    but when compared to the Boston Celtics or NY Yankees or the Montreal Canadiens….those are what dynasties consist of…we are so quick to label everything

  • dm00n | October 27, 2008 at 11:15 am |

    Here is Chelios modeling the Detroit Winter Classic jersey.

    I don’t see too many Wings fans shelling out the money for that. The normal jersey is so iconic.

  • LI Phil | October 27, 2008 at 11:18 am |

    [quote]I really only consider the Packers & Steelers to have TRUE dynasties…3 out of 4 is impressive…[/quote]

    then you’d have to consider the cowboys and pats…since they actually did that in the super bowl era

    /steelers won 4 out of 6, but never 3 out of four

  • Ricko | October 27, 2008 at 11:19 am |

    [quote comment=”296970″][quote comment=”296967″][quote]2 SB titles do not a dynasty make.[/quote]

    well, tis true, but then the dolphins wouldn’t be considered a dynasty (ricko’s definition)

    and the boys, with 5 titles, really only won two of those before the 1990’s (but 3 out of 4 in the 1990’s, which certainly qualifies)

    and the giants have 3 SB’s (although the last is almost a generation removed from the first too)

    /but point well taken[/quote][/quote]

    Agreed, was going to mention that I’ve always thought the Dolphins got elevated to that status because of the 17-0 season. Had they lost even one game, I’m not sure they’d be in that group. Nevertheless, it IS the status they’re accorded.

    And you’re right, Super Bowl wins a generation apart hardly qualify as pointing to a dynasty. It isn’t how many the franchise has won en toto, it’s how many they won close together (and more than two, also, I would think) that usually defines a period as a dynasty.

    Also the fact that the following year(s) they were seen as the team to beat. In these days of wandering free agents, I’m not sure such a thing will ever be the case again.

    The original point, though, remains. LOSE YOUR CURRENT UNIS, ‘NINERS; THEY SUCK.

  • Bob Sullivan | October 27, 2008 at 11:19 am |

    As a native Baltimorean who is as old as the Orioles, I am VERY happy to see “Baltimore” return to the uniforms. I know it wasn’t there in the 50’s but it was on the unis in their glory years. It’s easy to tell that they’re talking about putting the city on the uniform, even if you can’t spell and didn’t know that “mor” aren’t part of Orioles. For 30 years, the Orioles only referred to themselves as “the Orioles” and not the “Baltimore Orioles.” The invitation text speaks to the contrary.
    As an add on to Saturday’s picture about goalie equipment, and the question about why goalies don’t wear matched equipment (the answer is they wear what they want to) Martin Biron of the Flyers wears Vaughn leg pads, a Vaughn blocker, an Itech trapper (catching glove) and an Itech mask and a Montreal stick. Since none of those companies make skates, it means his skates come from some other company. And that’s just the visible stuff.

  • PK | October 27, 2008 at 11:23 am |

    I understand tat the NFL is one of the hardest sports to maintain consistency, but I would seriously take the 49ers over the pats (the 49ers success was more consistent over a longer period of time)…if the Pats can 1 or 2 more (shudder) within the next 2 or 3 years, then I would elivate them up to the next level…too Bad for the Bills….they had the chance to be a Dynasty….

  • Duckstyle | October 27, 2008 at 11:27 am |

    [quote comment=”296963″]What’s with Chris Paul’s number here.[/quote]

    More importantly, what’s going on with that ball!? I might be, OK I am, way out of touch with ball design, but when was that the MBA’s ball design?

  • JTH | October 27, 2008 at 11:28 am |

    [quote comment=”296904″]Correct me if I’m wrong here, but aren’t the 49ers the only one of pro football’s “dynasties” of the past 50 years or so (Packers, Dolphins, Steelers and Cowboys being the others) that isn’t wearing essentially the same unis as their glory years?[/quote]
    To me, the Steelers’ current jerseys do look very different from their dynasty years. I don’t know if I’d say they’re drastically different, but the rounded numbers and the logo patch on the left shoulder are fairly significant changes.

    Classic version:
    http://temple3.files...
    http://sportsillustr...
    http://www.hickokspo...

    Current version:
    http://cache.daylife...
    http://rawsportsblog...
    http://www.hollywood...

  • PK | October 27, 2008 at 11:28 am |

    [quote comment=”296982″][quote comment=”296963″]What’s with Chris Paul’s number here.[/quote]

    More importantly, what’s going on with that ball!? I might be, OK I am, way out of touch with ball design, but when was that the MBA’s ball design?[/quote]

    also…any one else notice the SALE sign on the backboard…by the rim….photoshop is fun!

  • fluxcap | October 27, 2008 at 11:29 am |

    [quote comment=”296978″][quote]I really only consider the Packers & Steelers to have TRUE dynasties…3 out of 4 is impressive…[/quote]

    then you’d have to consider the cowboys and pats…since they actually did that in the super bowl era

    /steelers won 4 out of 6, but never 3 out of four[/quote]

    The Browns won the AAFC title from 46-49, NFL titles in 50, 54 and 55, there uniforms have changed very little since then…

  • fluxcap | October 27, 2008 at 11:30 am |

    [quote comment=”296985″][quote comment=”296978″][quote]I really only consider the Packers & Steelers to have TRUE dynasties…3 out of 4 is impressive…[/quote]

    then you’d have to consider the cowboys and pats…since they actually did that in the super bowl era

    /steelers won 4 out of 6, but never 3 out of four[/quote]

    The Browns won the AAFC title from 46-49, NFL titles in 50, 54 and 55, there uniforms have changed very little since then…[/quote]

    wow brain fart… their not there

  • Duckstyle | October 27, 2008 at 11:31 am |

    [quote comment=”296982″][quote comment=”296963″]What’s with Chris Paul’s number here.[/quote]

    More importantly, what’s going on with that ball!? I might be, OK I am, way out of touch with ball design, but when was that the MBA’s ball design?[/quote]

    That should read NBA, sorry got school on my mind this morning.

  • PK | October 27, 2008 at 11:32 am |

    HA! HA-HA!! HA….this is why I hate the term “Dynasty” being applied to ANY Level of sucess…

    (cool uni’s though_

    http://en.wikipedia....

  • Kris McInnis | October 27, 2008 at 11:32 am |

    East Mississippi also appears to using Univ. of North Alabama’s lion logo.

  • Duckstyle | October 27, 2008 at 11:33 am |

    [quote comment=”296984″][quote comment=”296982″][quote comment=”296963″]What’s with Chris Paul’s number here.[/quote]

    More importantly, what’s going on with that ball!? I might be, OK I am, way out of touch with ball design, but when was that the MBA’s ball design?[/quote]

    also…any one else notice the SALE sign on the backboard…by the rim….photoshop is fun![/quote]

    Back in my day we didn’t have any fancy photoshop, we had airburshing…and we liked it!

  • Ricko | October 27, 2008 at 11:35 am |

    [quote comment=”296985″][quote comment=”296978″][quote]I really only consider the Packers & Steelers to have TRUE dynasties…3 out of 4 is impressive…[/quote]

    then you’d have to consider the cowboys and pats…since they actually did that in the super bowl era

    /steelers won 4 out of 6, but never 3 out of four[/quote]

    The Browns won the AAFC title from 46-49, NFL titles in 50, 54 and 55, there uniforms have changed very little since then…[/quote]

    Hell, yes, Browns were a dynasty…even if those early titles were in the AAFC. Their subsequent successes in the NFL ratified it. I stuck with period from about ’58 on to make my point simply cuz so many people seem to think that if it wasn’t on TV it doesn’t count.

  • Kevin in MA | October 27, 2008 at 11:36 am |

    Is #14 serious with his pants shorts? I’m not even joking when I ask this…at what point do the length and bagginess of a team’s shorts start to hinder their play?

  • PK | October 27, 2008 at 11:37 am |

    [quote comment=”296991″]
    Hell, yes, Browns were a dynasty…even if those early titles were in the AAFC. Their subsequent successes in the NFL ratified it. I stuck with period from about ’58 on to make my point simply cuz so many people seem to think that if it wasn’t on TV it doesn’t count.[/quote]

    Good thing that applies to the Chicago Blackhawks…or they would count the least in hockey!!

  • fluxcap | October 27, 2008 at 11:46 am |

    [quote comment=”296991″][quote comment=”296985″][quote comment=”296978″][quote]I really only consider the Packers & Steelers to have TRUE dynasties…3 out of 4 is impressive…[/quote]

    then you’d have to consider the cowboys and pats…since they actually did that in the super bowl era

    /steelers won 4 out of 6, but never 3 out of four[/quote]

    The Browns won the AAFC title from 46-49, NFL titles in 50, 54 and 55, there uniforms have changed very little since then…[/quote]

    Hell, yes, Browns were a dynasty…even if those early titles were in the AAFC. Their subsequent successes in the NFL ratified it. I stuck with period from about ’58 on to make my point simply cuz so many people seem to think that if it wasn’t on TV it doesn’t count.[/quote]

    Cool, not that I was alive for any of Cleveland’s championships (born in ’81) but my Dad always brings up how the Browns were such a great franchise. They basically put the AAFC out of business with their dominance. The Browns were supposed to get destroyed when they joined the NFL and kept up the dominance. If you only look at post ’58, well then hey, the Yankees have only won 9 titles that count, of course that’d still be the most…

  • Chris in Nashville | October 27, 2008 at 11:52 am |

    I saw these on Saturday and loved them.

    http://www.champsspo...

    The Ohio State version even has the buckeye decals

    http://images.footba...

  • Rich | October 27, 2008 at 11:54 am |

    [quote comment=”296922″]Wow. That Chase Utley jersey woke me right up!!![/quote]

    HA! I like the first comment on that page:
    “Garment care instructions: hand wash only, lay on flat horizontal surface to dry, do not bleach, do not iron, do not dry clean.”

  • Brian | October 27, 2008 at 11:55 am |

    englsih soccer-related jersey question…does anyone know where to find more information on jersey numbers/NOBs on 1970’s english soccer jerseys? i want to get a robin friday jersey but haven’t even been able to find even a number, let alone whether he had a NOB. either reading or cardiff city (ideally both.)

  • MPowers1634 | October 27, 2008 at 11:59 am |

    [quote comment=”296995″]I saw these on Saturday and loved them.

    http://www.champsspo...

    The Ohio State version even has the buckeye decals

    http://images.footba...

    That is very cool! Almost as cool as these:
    http://www.collegetr...

  • Jim MI | October 27, 2008 at 12:05 pm |

    Random comment:

    Anyone know where to find the pic posted long ago of the names and numbers being embroidered on wedding vests? Need it for one of my friends.

  • odessasteps magazine | October 27, 2008 at 12:06 pm |

    The Hershey Bears were the latest team to do the “pink jersey for breat cancer” deal yesterday. Fortunately, they only wore them in warm-ups.

  • JTH | October 27, 2008 at 12:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”296998″]Sorry, here are the rest of the helmet hats

    http://a712.g.akamai...
    http://a712.g.akamai...
    http://a712.g.akamai...
    http://a712.g.akamai...
    http://a712.g.akamai...
    http://a712.g.akamai...
    http://a712.g.akamai...
    http://a712.g.akamai...
    http://a712.g.akamai...
    http://a712.g.akamai...

    Those are great, but the swooshes where the earholes would be are absolutely brutal.

  • LI Phil | October 27, 2008 at 12:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”297000″]Random comment:

    Anyone know where to find the pic posted long ago of the names and numbers being embroidered on wedding vests? Need it for one of my friends.[/quote]

    i believe that’s joe hilsberg (sp?)…the guy who does jersey name frame

  • MPowers1634 | October 27, 2008 at 12:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”297000″]Random comment:

    Anyone know where to find the pic posted long ago of the names and numbers being embroidered on wedding vests? Need it for one of my friends.[/quote]

    I think that was Hilseberg, who does the jersey framing, and is probably in 7th Heaven concerning the Baltimore jerseys!

  • Ricko | October 27, 2008 at 12:16 pm |

    Just thought I’d mention…For an old duffer like me, generally speaking last night’s Giants-Steelers game was, uniform-wise, like getting being in ’57 and ’58 and suddenly getting a chance to watch a game in color and HD with closeups, replays and all.

    So frickin’ cool.

    (and, yes, for any nitpickers out there, I know the Steelers wore black shoes back then…but that’s not the point now, is it.)

    —Ricko

  • LI Phil | October 27, 2008 at 12:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”297004″][quote comment=”297000″]Random comment:

    Anyone know where to find the pic posted long ago of the names and numbers being embroidered on wedding vests? Need it for one of my friends.[/quote]

    i believe that’s joe hilsberg (sp?)…the guy who does jersey name frame[/quote]

    joe hilseberg

    here and here

    first item in the ticker

  • DJ | October 27, 2008 at 12:19 pm |

    englsih soccer-related jersey question…does anyone know where to find more information on jersey numbers/NOBs on 1970’s english soccer jerseys? i want to get a robin friday jersey but haven’t even been able to find even a number, let alone whether he had a NOB. either reading or cardiff city (ideally both.)

    Player names did not appear on the backs of English club team’s jerseys until the 90s (I think the first instance was the 1993 FA Cup Final).

    For that matter, a player’s number could often be different from game to game. A player’s number was based on his position on the field (starters 1-11). So it is quite possible Friday wore several numbers durinig his years at Cardiff City and Reading.

  • JTH | October 27, 2008 at 12:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”297002″]Oregon:
    http://a712.g.akamai...

    Is that one available in the other 3 colors as well?

    And check out this faux chain mail helmet hat.

  • Jim MI | October 27, 2008 at 12:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”297008″][quote comment=”297004″][quote comment=”297000″]Random comment:

    Anyone know where to find the pic posted long ago of the names and numbers being embroidered on wedding vests? Need it for one of my friends.[/quote]

    i believe that’s joe hilsberg (sp?)…the guy who does jersey name frame[/quote]

    joe hilseberg

    here and here

    first item in the ticker[/quote]

    Thanks!

  • Brian | October 27, 2008 at 12:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”297009″]
    Player names did not appear on the backs of English club team’s jerseys until the 90s (I think the first instance was the 1993 FA Cup Final).

    For that matter, a player’s number could often be different from game to game. A player’s number was based on his position on the field (starters 1-11). So it is quite possible Friday wore several numbers durinig his years at Cardiff City and Reading.[/quote]

    thanks for the info!

  • DJ | October 27, 2008 at 12:27 pm |

    Re: Wash/ND paint chips. What the heck is that on the belt loop of ND halfback Robert Hughes? The offensive playlist or the drive-thru menu at Arby’s? Is it out of the ordinary for a running back to have the playlist instead of the QB?

    The reasons are twofold:

    1. Much like any other fad, it’s wearing is purely cosmetic.

    2. Much like Chevrons on an officer’s uniform, the wearing of the playlist denotes importance within the offense, even if it is only implied, as in this case.

    3. Even at an esteemed institution such as ND, sometimes you have players that are quite forgetful, so it’s wearing is to prevent miscues.
    With an offense as intricate as Charlie Weis’s, that is probably necessary.

    All the skill players (QB, RBs, WRs, TEs) wear the bands. This is because the play calls are color-coded — a color is called, then a hand signal is made. The same hand signal means several things, depending on which color is called.

    Too bad, they can’t run it effectively. It’s quite ironic that the only players that ran the Weis offense effectively were the recruits of the former ND and soon to be former Washinton coach, Ty Willingham!

    This group does a fairly good job, considering most are freshmen and sophomores. It’s also quite “ironic” that those Willingham players couldn’t run Willingham’s offense properly.

    But enough of this. Back to serious matters — more talk about uniforms.

  • dm00n | October 27, 2008 at 12:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”296994″]Cool, not that I was alive for any of Cleveland’s championships (born in ’81) but my Dad always brings up how the Browns were such a great franchise. They basically put the AAFC out of business with their dominance. The Browns were supposed to get destroyed when they joined the NFL and kept up the dominance. If you only look at post ’58, well then hey, the Yankees have only won 9 titles that count, of course that’d still be the most…[/quote]

    I thought we Lions fans were the only ones who still had to brag about the 1950s.

  • Colin | October 27, 2008 at 12:43 pm |

    A new hire school is opening in Fargo, ND. They had a contest for people to submit the offical logo to be used for everything, including athletics. The Fargo Forum published the submission. I thought the F/d design towards the end was pretty clever.

    http://www.in-forum....

  • Jim MI | October 27, 2008 at 12:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”297014″][quote comment=”296994″]Cool, not that I was alive for any of Cleveland’s championships (born in ’81) but my Dad always brings up how the Browns were such a great franchise. They basically put the AAFC out of business with their dominance. The Browns were supposed to get destroyed when they joined the NFL and kept up the dominance. If you only look at post ’58, well then hey, the Yankees have only won 9 titles that count, of course that’d still be the most…[/quote]

    I thought we Lions fans were the only ones who still had to brag about the 1950s.[/quote]

    Montreal Canadiens have won 14 Stanley Cups post 1958.

  • DawgFan | October 27, 2008 at 12:52 pm |

    I’ve always wondered how you decide which number to put on Bama’s helmets on merchandise like those helmet hats? Seems like #12 is the most common (because of Namath?), but does the school have a policy on this?

    Google image search shows mostly # 12:
    http://images.google...

  • fluxcap | October 27, 2008 at 12:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”297017″][quote comment=”297014″][quote comment=”296994″]Cool, not that I was alive for any of Cleveland’s championships (born in ’81) but my Dad always brings up how the Browns were such a great franchise. They basically put the AAFC out of business with their dominance. The Browns were supposed to get destroyed when they joined the NFL and kept up the dominance. If you only look at post ’58, well then hey, the Yankees have only won 9 titles that count, of course that’d still be the most…[/quote]

    I thought we Lions fans were the only ones who still had to brag about the 1950s.[/quote]

    Montreal Canadiens have won 14 Stanley Cups post 1958.[/quote]

    should have been clearer that the reference was to baseball for championships, but yes i guess it was a disconnected thought because the post was otherwise referring to NFL, so touché

  • Chris Fley | October 27, 2008 at 1:05 pm |

    JaMarcus Russell probably had one of those headsets iin his helmet. You know the green dots on both sides of the ball now.

  • The Hemogoblin | October 27, 2008 at 1:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”296982″][quote comment=”296963″]What’s with Chris Paul’s number here.[/quote]

    More importantly, what’s going on with that ball!? I might be, OK I am, way out of touch with ball design, but when was that the MBA’s ball design?[/quote]

    That’s so obviously photoshopped… someone’s f***ing with SI.

  • JP | October 27, 2008 at 1:10 pm |

    Any Islanders third jersey leaks? I don’t want to wait until 5.

  • Joe Drennan | October 27, 2008 at 1:11 pm |

    I didn’t check the site over the weekend so I’ll respond to the goalie equipment question as I am one myself.

    The goalie in the all Vaughn equipment is simple – Vaughn goalie sticks suck. They’re fine for the recreational player, but for a competitive or pro, they don’t stand up to the rigors of play.

    A goalie using a Nike/Bauer stick is feasable as Bauer sticks have been around a long time and goalie could get used the that style, but Reebock equipment hasn’t been around as long, therefore a goalie not being as used to the pattern. I’ve also noticed that the Reebock sticks aren’t as strong.

    Goalies tend to use different gloves from their leg pads or simply 2 different brand gloves this is because they’re ore worried about the feel of the glove than the graphics or name on it.

    As a goalie I shopped for equipment based on how it felt, not who it was made by. Granted the manufacter was important in my descision as some have better quality. I always liked Vaughn because it is fine crafsmanship and their customer service is great if there is a defect. TPS goalie equipment always seemed cheep to me and rather than hand made, was machine made. I hope this helps.

  • The Hemogoblin | October 27, 2008 at 1:16 pm |

    http://crumleydotorg...

    ROFL…

    Found that on the Google search… click the one with the Tide logo on the side and enjoy that page.

  • Ricko | October 27, 2008 at 1:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”297018″]I’ve always wondered how you decide which number to put on Bama’s helmets on merchandise like those helmet hats? Seems like #12 is the most common (because of Namath?), but does the school have a policy on this?

    Google image search shows mostly # 12:
    http://images.google...

    Sorta like most all the helmet recreations of early Chargers have “19”. Can’t leave the spot blank; would look dumb (as do current Chargers helmets, btw) so might as well put number of most storied/synonymous-with-team player.

  • The Hemogoblin | October 27, 2008 at 1:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”297025″][quote comment=”297018″]I’ve always wondered how you decide which number to put on Bama’s helmets on merchandise like those helmet hats? Seems like #12 is the most common (because of Namath?), but does the school have a policy on this?

    Google image search shows mostly # 12:
    http://images.google...

    Sorta like most all the helmet recreations of early Chargers have “19”. Can’t leave the spot blank; would look dumb (as do current Chargers helmets, btw) so might as well put number of most storied/synonymous-with-team player.[/quote]

    CBS, who usually does national broadcasts for Bama games, uses a helmet with 00 on it. I’m thinking it’s because that number looks just oh-so-c00l.

  • Stuby | October 27, 2008 at 1:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”297025″][quote comment=”297018″]I’ve always wondered how you decide which number to put on Bama’s helmets on merchandise like those helmet hats? Seems like #12 is the most common (because of Namath?), but does the school have a policy on this?

    Google image search shows mostly # 12:
    http://images.google...

    Sorta like most all the helmet recreations of early Chargers have “19”. Can’t leave the spot blank; would look dumb (as do current Chargers helmets, btw) so might as well put number of most storied/synonymous-with-team player.[/quote]
    Probably because #12 is just a common QB number. In addition to Namath, it has been worn at ‘Bama by Ken Stabler and Brodie Croyle among others.

  • Jeremy P. | October 27, 2008 at 1:31 pm |

    [quote comment=\”296984\”][quote comment=\”296982\”][quote comment=\”296963\”]What\’s with Chris Paul\’s number here.[/quote]

    More importantly, what\’s going on with that ball!? I might be, OK I am, way out of touch with ball design, but when was that the MBA\’s ball design?[/quote]

    also…any one else notice the SALE sign on the backboard…by the rim….photoshop is fun![/quote]

    And in the upper left corner, the New Orleans Arena text is doubled, and the basketball has a weird symbol on it…looks like SI got a photo from one of those \”What\’s different about these two photos\” games.

  • KT | October 27, 2008 at 1:35 pm |

    I would think a minimum number of years you’d have to be dominant would be about five. You wouldn’t have to necessarily win all five years, but it would help if you won at least three and were in the hunt the other two.

    The Patriots could be graded “on a curve,” seeing as how I would think it’s much, much more difficult to sustain excellence in the NFL of today than in 1972-1990. Easier to come out of nowhere, and you’re unlikely to have someone go 0-26 or just be futile for decades, but harder to stay at the top.

    If you’re talking about the Patriots’ “dynasty,” obviously you’re looking at 2001-2007. they won three Super Bowls, were runners-up in another, went 14-2 twice and 16-0 once. They did miss the playoffs in 2002. that may not quite make it to “dynasty” levels, but it’s pretty damn close.

    If you want to go 2001-2005, that’s three SB wins in five seasons. Still good stuff.

    The 49ers won four in nine years, the Steelers four in six years and the Cowboys three in four.

    All that said, the Niners’ scarlet and gold is still the best look for them. They look like cartoon characters now.

  • Ricko | October 27, 2008 at 1:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”297027″][quote comment=”297025″][quote comment=”297018″]I’ve always wondered how you decide which number to put on Bama’s helmets on merchandise like those helmet hats? Seems like #12 is the most common (because of Namath?), but does the school have a policy on this?

    Google image search shows mostly # 12:
    http://images.google...

    Sorta like most all the helmet recreations of early Chargers have “19”. Can’t leave the spot blank; would look dumb (as do current Chargers helmets, btw) so might as well put number of most storied/synonymous-with-team player.[/quote]
    Probably because #12 is just a common QB number. In addition to Namath, it has been worn at ‘Bama by Ken Stabler and Brodie Croyle among others.[/quote]

    Exactly. But that’s why 12, instead of 10 or 14 or 17 or some other fairly common QB number. Plus, they gotta figure most buyers will be fans, so pick a number with meaning to them, rather than one that would be plainly generic.

    Don’t see a lotta off-the-rack Orange Crush jerseys with Gary Kubiak’s number, right?

  • KT | October 27, 2008 at 1:39 pm |

    Oh, another thing…

    Brad Johnson only has one stripe (the other Cowboys have two, obviously) and it looks like he just cut his jersey off at the bottom of the top stripe.

    UW needs to investigate.

  • Stuby | October 27, 2008 at 1:39 pm |

    Check out the shoulder stripe disparity between two members of the Panthers secondary. One has a complete loop and the other has, what, a horseshoe?

    http://scores.espn.g...

  • Jeff | October 27, 2008 at 1:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”296946″]Ray Lewis = controversial individual once tried for murder

    Andre Gurode = who?[/quote]

    I’d say its probably the opposite, Lewis has various marketing contacts/endorsements that would make showing #52 R. Lewis without compensation (to him or his endorsees) received badly. Possibly DirecTV has a general contract with NFL but not with players.

    Sort of like the Billick Coors light adds that have all the Raven’s Jersey numbers “Paulified” Purple -> Red and in a different font.

  • MPowers1634 | October 27, 2008 at 1:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”297030″][quote comment=”297027″][quote comment=”297025″][quote comment=”297018″]I’ve always wondered how you decide which number to put on Bama’s helmets on merchandise like those helmet hats? Seems like #12 is the most common (because of Namath?), but does the school have a policy on this?

    Google image search shows mostly # 12:
    http://images.google...

    Sorta like most all the helmet recreations of early Chargers have “19”. Can’t leave the spot blank; would look dumb (as do current Chargers helmets, btw) so might as well put number of most storied/synonymous-with-team player.[/quote]
    Probably because #12 is just a common QB number. In addition to Namath, it has been worn at ‘Bama by Ken Stabler and Brodie Croyle among others.[/quote]

    Exactly. But that’s why 12, instead of 10 or 14 or 17 or some other fairly common QB number. Plus, they gotta figure most buyers will be fans, so pick a number with meaning to them, rather than one that would be plainly generic.

    Don’t see a lotta off-the-rack Orange Crush jerseys with Gary Kubiak’s number, right?[/quote]

    Usually, when Nike decides on their numbers for replicas, they frequently use the number of the most popular player for the upcoming season, for example, Floridas’ would be #15.

    In Bama’s case, #12, Greg McElroy does not match that description.

  • dm00n | October 27, 2008 at 1:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”297015″]A new hire school is opening in Fargo, ND. They had a contest for people to submit the offical logo to be used for everything, including athletics. The Fargo Forum published the submission. I thought the F/d design towards the end was pretty clever.

    http://www.in-forum....

    It is sort of sad how similar most of those ideas are. There are even several Buffaslugish eagles.

  • kyle. | October 27, 2008 at 1:52 pm |

    i like that the usc jersey napkin doesn’t have the nike logo while the ucla one is stuck with adidas.

  • Robert | October 27, 2008 at 1:53 pm |

    Any idea who the player “Anderson” or something like that on the Rays roster who was in Right field shagging fly balls before the game last night, game 4? He was sporting some very nice socks and pants… No pictures but it was nice to see a younger player having the socks in a proper place. Very sharp.

  • PK | October 27, 2008 at 1:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”297009″]englsih soccer-related jersey question…does anyone know where to find more information on jersey numbers/NOBs on 1970’s english soccer jerseys? i want to get a robin friday jersey but haven’t even been able to find even a number, let alone whether he had a NOB. either reading or cardiff city (ideally both.)

    Player names did not appear on the backs of English club team’s jerseys until the 90s (I think the first instance was the 1993 FA Cup Final).

    For that matter, a player’s number could often be different from game to game. A player’s number was based on his position on the field (starters 1-11). So it is quite possible Friday wore several numbers durinig his years at Cardiff City and Reading.[/quote]

    A friend found this site: http://www.historica... That might be helpful, as might http://www.footballs...

  • Ricko | October 27, 2008 at 1:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”297034″][quote comment=”297030″][quote comment=”297027″][quote comment=”297025″][quote comment=”297018″]I’ve always wondered how you decide which number to put on Bama’s helmets on merchandise like those helmet hats? Seems like #12 is the most common (because of Namath?), but does the school have a policy on this?

    Google image search shows mostly # 12:
    http://images.google...

    Sorta like most all the helmet recreations of early Chargers have “19”. Can’t leave the spot blank; would look dumb (as do current Chargers helmets, btw) so might as well put number of most storied/synonymous-with-team player.[/quote]
    Probably because #12 is just a common QB number. In addition to Namath, it has been worn at ‘Bama by Ken Stabler and Brodie Croyle among others.[/quote]

    Exactly. But that’s why 12, instead of 10 or 14 or 17 or some other fairly common QB number. Plus, they gotta figure most buyers will be fans, so pick a number with meaning to them, rather than one that would be plainly generic.

    Don’t see a lotta off-the-rack Orange Crush jerseys with Gary Kubiak’s number, right?[/quote]

    Usually, when Nike decides on their numbers for replicas, they frequently use the number of the most popular player for the upcoming season, for example, Floridas’ would be #15.

    In Bama’s case, #12, Greg McElroy does not match that description.[/quote]

    For jerseys, absolutely. Just saying that if I’m the manufacturer and I’m making something like those helmetcaps (which well might be worn for several years) I’ll go with a number of traditional rather than transitory appeal. It’s just the smart move…from a marketing standpoint. Most importantly, though, I know they won’t sell like jerseys, so I want an inventory that won’t become out-of-date. A “12” for Alabama is pretty much timeless.

  • Oscar | October 27, 2008 at 1:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”297034″][quote comment=”297030″][quote comment=”297027″][quote comment=”297025″][quote comment=”297018″]I’ve always wondered how you decide which number to put on Bama’s helmets on merchandise like those helmet hats? Seems like #12 is the most common (because of Namath?), but does the school have a policy on this?

    Google image search shows mostly # 12:
    http://images.google...

    Sorta like most all the helmet recreations of early Chargers have “19”. Can’t leave the spot blank; would look dumb (as do current Chargers helmets, btw) so might as well put number of most storied/synonymous-with-team player.[/quote]
    Probably because #12 is just a common QB number. In addition to Namath, it has been worn at ‘Bama by Ken Stabler and Brodie Croyle among others.[/quote]

    Exactly. But that’s why 12, instead of 10 or 14 or 17 or some other fairly common QB number. Plus, they gotta figure most buyers will be fans, so pick a number with meaning to them, rather than one that would be plainly generic.

    Don’t see a lotta off-the-rack Orange Crush jerseys with Gary Kubiak’s number, right?[/quote]

    Usually, when Nike decides on their numbers for replicas, they frequently use the number of the most popular player for the upcoming season, for example, Floridas’ would be #15.

    In Bama’s case, #12, Greg McElroy does not match that description.[/quote]

    Alabama also claims to have won 12 national championships (although that figure is much in dispute, as is the case with some schools who point at any random poll that put them on top, especially in the pre-WWII era, and claim it as a title). But of course, I remember the #12 helmet being used long before 1992, when the Tide won what it claims to be #12.

    Probably has to do with the whole Namath/Stabler thing, or the “12th Man” thing that another Bryant-coached school made famous.

  • John Zajac | October 27, 2008 at 2:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”296992″]Is #14 serious with his pants shorts? I’m not even joking when I ask this…at what point do the length and bagginess of a team’s shorts start to hinder their play?[/quote]

    I have to admit though, I love the “racing silk” inspired pattern on the jerseys and really really love the championship years in the checkerboard pattern on the shorts.

    http://www.ukathleti...

  • John Zajac | October 27, 2008 at 2:01 pm |

    Though I’m not sure what the inverted ‘K’ is for, but I am sure someone here does

  • JTH | October 27, 2008 at 2:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”297036″]i like that the usc jersey napkin doesn’t have the nike logo while the ucla one is stuck with adidas.[/quote]
    Wow. Adidas and Under Armour logos for the NCAA, Majestic for MLB, Reebok for the NHL but not a swoosh to be seen.

  • Oscar | October 27, 2008 at 2:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”297042″]Though I’m not sure what the inverted ‘K’ is for, but I am sure someone here does[/quote]

    Bill Keightly, who had been the equipment manager for about 60 years, died recently. There will also be a “Mr. Wildcat” patch on the jersey, and there will be a memorial placed at the spot on the Rupp floor where he sat during home games

  • John Zajac | October 27, 2008 at 2:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”297044″][quote comment=”297042″]Though I’m not sure what the inverted ‘K’ is for, but I am sure someone here does[/quote]

    Bill Keightly, who had been the equipment manager for about 60 years, died recently. There will also be a “Mr. Wildcat” patch on the jersey, and there will be a memorial placed at the spot on the Rupp floor where he sat during home games[/quote]

    I knew I wouldn’t be let down. Thanks Oscar.

  • Chris Doran | October 27, 2008 at 2:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”297042″]Though I’m not sure what the inverted ‘K’ is for, but I am sure someone here does[/quote]
    in baseball, struck out looking

  • LI Phil | October 27, 2008 at 2:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”297042″]Though I’m not sure what the inverted ‘K’ is for, but I am sure someone here does[/quote]

    100 NCAA titles

  • KT | October 27, 2008 at 2:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”297046″][quote comment=”297042″]Though I’m not sure what the inverted ‘K’ is for, but I am sure someone here does[/quote]
    in baseball, struck out looking[/quote]

    He meant on the UK unis, CD. Hope your back feels better. :)

  • LI Phil | October 27, 2008 at 2:36 pm |

    athletes out of unis…

    be afraid…be very very afraid

  • JTH | October 27, 2008 at 2:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”297047″][quote comment=”297042″]Though I’m not sure what the inverted ‘K’ is for, but I am sure someone here does[/quote]

    100 1,000 NCAA titles[/quote]
    You’re welcome.

  • LI Phil | October 27, 2008 at 2:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”297050″][quote comment=”297047″][quote comment=”297042″]Though I’m not sure what the inverted ‘K’ is for, but I am sure someone here does[/quote]

    100 1,000 NCAA titles[/quote]
    You’re welcome.[/quote]

    you missed the yellow c stuff, huh

  • fluxcap | October 27, 2008 at 2:47 pm |

    In the midst of the World Series here in Philly, the Inquirer has re-posted (well probably not re-posted since I doubt they were posted to the website in 1993) some pics from the ’93 Phils run, and here’s a great shot of players wearing actual stirrups…excuse the fact that they are also running around in their underwear. Also, the caption doesn’t seem to fit as it appears LA is shoving Schilling out of the way so he get by

  • Lwiedy | October 27, 2008 at 2:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”297025″][quote comment=”297018″]I’ve always wondered how you decide which number to put on Bama’s helmets on merchandise like those helmet hats? Seems like #12 is the most common (because of Namath?), but does the school have a policy on this?

    Google image search shows mostly # 12:
    http://images.google...

    Sorta like most all the helmet recreations of early Chargers have “19”. Can’t leave the spot blank; would look dumb (as do current Chargers helmets, btw) so might as well put number of most storied/synonymous-with-team player.[/quote]

    I always liked what the Steelers did. At least five times (perhaps more) they used the helmet on the cover. The helmet is at an angle that you can see the front numbers, so they just used the year: http://cgi.ebay.com/...
    Looks a litte dumb in the “aughts” but in 2010 will be good again.

  • JTH | October 27, 2008 at 2:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”297051″][quote comment=”297050″][quote comment=”297047″][quote comment=”297042″]Though I’m not sure what the inverted ‘K’ is for, but I am sure someone here does[/quote]

    100 1,000 NCAA titles[/quote]
    You’re welcome.[/quote]

    you missed the yellow c stuff, huh[/quote]
    No. I knew where you were going with that. I was just trying to tie together the C = 100, K = 1,000 thing.

    I guess it didn’t work as well as I had envisioned.

  • Lwiedy | October 27, 2008 at 3:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”296957″][quote comment=”296954″][quote comment=”296939″]Quick question for all you footwear gurus out there … What brand is this?:
    http://farm4.static....

    Rawlings, I think. A late 70’s shoe. In that era when Brooks, Converse, Mizuno, Acics, Pony–even Spaulding–lept feet first into the cleat business. Right before Nike came along to begin its rise to prominence (dominance?).

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Oh, yeah, Wilson tried to get in there, too.

    Shown here on Ken Stabler for football, but I remember Bernie Carbo wearing a pair of red onces (with royal trim) with the Red Sox. Carbo was big on off-brands. Wore those Rawlings in red while a Cardinal.

    http://vault.sportsi...

    Never knew those were Wilson. You can see the top part is a “W” and the stripe looks like a modified swoosh or an upside-down puma stripe.

    Another “off” baseball brand, New Balance: http://cgi.ebay.com/...

  • Lwiedy | October 27, 2008 at 3:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”297037″]Any idea who the player “Anderson” or something like that on the Rays roster who was in Right field shagging fly balls before the game last night, game 4? He was sporting some very nice socks and pants… No pictures but it was nice to see a younger player having the socks in a proper place. Very sharp.[/quote]

    Probably this guy http://cleveland.ind...
    Is listed as Asst. Pitching Coach (never hear of that)

  • Nicole | October 27, 2008 at 3:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”297018″]I’ve always wondered how you decide which number to put on Bama’s helmets on merchandise like those helmet hats? Seems like #12 is the most common (because of Namath?), but does the school have a policy on this?

    Google image search shows mostly # 12:
    http://images.google...

    Not in this particular case, but a lot of times the number will be the year the school (or franchise) was founded. I have a lot of Wisconsin stuff with 48 on it, since it was opened in 1848.

  • Janssen | October 27, 2008 at 3:13 pm |

    Well it’s good to know that East Missippi’s horrendous unis actually exist and I didn’t hallucinate when I saw a billboard for the school on a recent business trip.

  • Ricko | October 27, 2008 at 3:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”297055″][quote comment=”296957″][quote comment=”296954″][quote comment=”296939″]Quick question for all you footwear gurus out there … What brand is this?:
    http://farm4.static....

    Rawlings, I think. A late 70’s shoe. In that era when Brooks, Converse, Mizuno, Acics, Pony–even Spaulding–lept feet first into the cleat business. Right before Nike came along to begin its rise to prominence (dominance?).

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Oh, yeah, Wilson tried to get in there, too.

    Shown here on Ken Stabler for football, but I remember Bernie Carbo wearing a pair of red onces (with royal trim) with the Red Sox. Carbo was big on off-brands. Wore those Rawlings in red while a Cardinal.

    http://vault.sportsi...

    Never knew those were Wilson. You can see the top part is a “W” and the stripe looks like a modified swoosh or an upside-down puma stripe.

    Another “off” baseball brand, New Balance: http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    Pro-Keds took a shot at the cleat marketplace, too. Check Joe Theismann during ’83 and Jeffrey Leonard of the Giants in ’83 or ’84.

  • chance | October 27, 2008 at 3:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”296939″]Quick question for all you footwear gurus out there … What brand is this?:
    http://farm4.static....
    You researching the Brewers, Paul?

  • Lwiedy | October 27, 2008 at 3:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”297059″][quote comment=”297055″][quote comment=”296957″][quote comment=”296954″][quote comment=”296939″]Quick question for all you footwear gurus out there … What brand is this?:
    http://farm4.static....

    Rawlings, I think. A late 70’s shoe. In that era when Brooks, Converse, Mizuno, Acics, Pony–even Spaulding–lept feet first into the cleat business. Right before Nike came along to begin its rise to prominence (dominance?).

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Oh, yeah, Wilson tried to get in there, too.

    Shown here on Ken Stabler for football, but I remember Bernie Carbo wearing a pair of red onces (with royal trim) with the Red Sox. Carbo was big on off-brands. Wore those Rawlings in red while a Cardinal.

    http://vault.sportsi...

    Never knew those were Wilson. You can see the top part is a “W” and the stripe looks like a modified swoosh or an upside-down puma stripe.

    Another “off” baseball brand, New Balance: http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    Pro-Keds took a shot at the cleat marketplace, too. Check Joe Theismann during ’83 and Jeffrey Leonard of the Giants in ’83 or ’84.[/quote]

    Spaulding (no Caddyshack quotes, please): http://images.google...

  • JTH | October 27, 2008 at 3:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”297056″][quote comment=”297037″]Any idea who the player “Anderson” or something like that on the Rays roster who was in Right field shagging fly balls before the game last night, game 4? He was sporting some very nice socks and pants… No pictures but it was nice to see a younger player having the socks in a proper place. Very sharp.[/quote]

    Probably this guy http://cleveland.ind...
    Is listed as Asst. Pitching Coach (never hear of that)[/quote]
    Assistant TO THE regional manager pitching coach.

  • Robert | October 27, 2008 at 3:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”297056″][quote comment=”297037″]Any idea who the player “Anderson” or something like that on the Rays roster who was in Right field shagging fly balls before the game last night, game 4? He was sporting some very nice socks and pants… No pictures but it was nice to see a younger player having the socks in a proper place. Very sharp.[/quote]

    Probably this guy http://cleveland.ind...
    Is listed as Asst. Pitching Coach (never hear of that)[/quote]

    Judging by the picture here http://sports.espn.g... that does seem to be him. I was just really impressed on how he was wearing his socks, but it also struck me that even shagging fly balls he seemed like he was playing for a job. Too bad he didn’t make it.

  • Tyler | October 27, 2008 at 3:24 pm |

    Don’t know if anyone’s seen this, but the Colorado Springs Sky Sox have unveiled a new logo/color scheme. Seems pretty generic minor league kinda stuff:

    http://web.minorleag...

  • Ricko | October 27, 2008 at 3:25 pm |

    Joe T. in Pro-Keds…
    http://www.prosports...

    I should point out that in the previous Super Bowl (when they beat the Dolphins) he wore New Balance…
    http://images.google...

  • caknuck | October 27, 2008 at 3:26 pm |

    Well, the Ravens haven’t played the Cowboys since 2004. Back then, #24 wasn’t a RB (who appears to be Marion Barber III in this photo), but was S Tony Dixon.

    I’m thinking that this is a photoshop job, apparently of this play from the 2004 game in Baltimore (featuring Julius Jones leaping over a properly-attired Ray Lewis).

  • caknuck | October 27, 2008 at 3:29 pm |

    If you look closely at the NFL Network ad (as well as the source photo I found), Lewis’ helmet has his correct number. I still have no idea why the graphics person changed the jersey number.

  • Ricko | October 27, 2008 at 3:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”297067″]If you look closely at the NFL Network ad (as well as the source photo I found), Lewis’ helmet has his correct number. I still have no idea why the graphics person changed the jersey number.[/quote]

    Because as things are constituted, they had to, believe it or not, come to a financial arrangement with the players pictured to use their image for advertising purposes, the same is if it were and ad for Chevrolet. With a sort of “in-house” thing such as NFL Network, there’s perhaps a standard minimum dollar figure involved. Barber evidently agreed, Lewis evidently wanted more.

    “Oh, photoshop artist! Calling photoshop artist!”

    That’s it, guaranteed. No need to speculate any farther. Just the way it is.

  • dm00n | October 27, 2008 at 3:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”297052″]In the midst of the World Series here in Philly, the Inquirer has re-posted (well probably not re-posted since I doubt they were posted to the website in 1993) some pics from the ’93 Phils run, and here’s a great shot of players wearing actual stirrups…excuse the fact that they are also running around in their underwear. Also, the caption doesn’t seem to fit as it appears LA is shoving Schilling out of the way so he get by[/quote]

    Ah, the, uh, pre-steroid days, before the game was so sullied by the evil Barry Bonds.

  • dm00n | October 27, 2008 at 3:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”297068″][quote comment=”297067″]If you look closely at the NFL Network ad (as well as the source photo I found), Lewis’ helmet has his correct number. I still have no idea why the graphics person changed the jersey number.[/quote]

    Because as things are constituted, they had to, believe it or not, come to a financial arrangement with the players pictured to use their image for advertising purposes, the same is if it were and ad for Chevrolet. With a sort of “in-house” thing such as NFL Network, there’s perhaps a standard minimum dollar figure involved. Barber evidently agreed, Lewis evidently wanted more.

    “Oh, photoshop artist! Calling photoshop artist!”

    That’s it, guaranteed. No need to speculate any farther. Just the way it is.[/quote]

    I think they just half-assed it (hence the helmet number and mostly visible nameplate). I bet they didn’t pay Barber any extra either, they just probably figured he was not identifiable.

  • RS Rogers | October 27, 2008 at 3:45 pm |

    Thanks for the clip of the Fish unveiling those beautiful teal uniforms. I know it was all about teal being the in-color in the early 1990s and all, but damn, those hold up well. Much better than the current black-dominated unis, and also much better than the similarly trendy 1990s black-and-purple uniforms in Colorado, Arizona, and Tampa Bay.

  • Ricko | October 27, 2008 at 3:51 pm |

    No, unless there is some sort of blanket agreement/release to the contrary, you cannot use an identifiable image of a public figure for advertising purposes with the permission of that person. There may, or may not, be compensation involved, but the fact that one player prominent in the photo has been altered is clear evidence that that individual did not have an agreement with the advertiser. Been in advertising agency work for 30 years. That IS the way it is.

  • Ricko | October 27, 2008 at 3:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”297072″]No, unless there is some sort of blanket agreement/release to the contrary, you cannot use an identifiable image of a public figure for advertising purposes with the permission of that person. There may, or may not, be compensation involved, but the fact that one player prominent in the photo has been altered is clear evidence that that individual did not have an agreement with the advertiser. Been in advertising agency work for 30 years. That IS the way it is.[/quote]

    Ooops…
    “…for advertising purposes withOUT the permission of that person.”

    Hell, you can’t use a photo of W.C. Fields or Babe Ruth, for example, for advertising without permission from their estate. I’m trying to debate this; I’m trying to give you the answer.

  • ScottyJ in WV | October 27, 2008 at 3:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”297061″][quote comment=”297059″][quote comment=”297055″][quote comment=”296957″][quote comment=”296954″][quote comment=”296939″]Quick question for all you footwear gurus out there … What brand is this?:
    http://farm4.static....

    Rawlings, I think. A late 70’s shoe. In that era when Brooks, Converse, Mizuno, Acics, Pony–even Spaulding–lept feet first into the cleat business. Right before Nike came along to begin its rise to prominence (dominance?).

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Oh, yeah, Wilson tried to get in there, too.

    Shown here on Ken Stabler for football, but I remember Bernie Carbo wearing a pair of red onces (with royal trim) with the Red Sox. Carbo was big on off-brands. Wore those Rawlings in red while a Cardinal.

    http://vault.sportsi...

    Never knew those were Wilson. You can see the top part is a “W” and the stripe looks like a modified swoosh or an upside-down puma stripe.

    Another “off” baseball brand, New Balance: http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    Pro-Keds took a shot at the cleat marketplace, too. Check Joe Theismann during ’83 and Jeffrey Leonard of the Giants in ’83 or ’84.[/quote]

    Spaulding (no Caddyshack quotes, please): http://images.google...

    Those bring back some memories! Had a pair those when I played football in junior high. The molded cleats were “all-purpose”.

  • caknuck | October 27, 2008 at 3:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”297068″]Because as things are constituted, they had to, believe it or not, come to a financial arrangement with the players pictured to use their image for advertising purposes, the same is if it were and ad for Chevrolet. With a sort of “in-house” thing such as NFL Network, there’s perhaps a standard minimum dollar figure involved. Barber evidently agreed, Lewis evidently wanted more.

    “Oh, photoshop artist! Calling photoshop artist!”

    That’s it, guaranteed. No need to speculate any farther. Just the way it is.[/quote]
    [quote comment=”297070″]

    Two quick questions:

    1) If this is an image of Julius Jones they alter to appear like Marion Barber, then who should get paid?

    2) Does this mean that Andre Gurode may be the only person with a clear claim for compensation?

  • Ricko | October 27, 2008 at 4:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”297075″][quote comment=”297068″]Because as things are constituted, they had to, believe it or not, come to a financial arrangement with the players pictured to use their image for advertising purposes, the same is if it were and ad for Chevrolet. With a sort of “in-house” thing such as NFL Network, there’s perhaps a standard minimum dollar figure involved. Barber evidently agreed, Lewis evidently wanted more.

    “Oh, photoshop artist! Calling photoshop artist!”

    That’s it, guaranteed. No need to speculate any farther. Just the way it is.[/quote]
    [quote comment=”297070″]

    Two quick questions:

    1) If this is an image of Julius Jones they alter to appear like Marion Barber, then who should get paid?

    2) Does this mean that Andre Gurode may be the only person with a clear claim for compensation?[/quote]

    Did they alter it to look like Barber?

    There are all kinds of murky areas in something like this, such as active players still with the team shown, players no longer in the league, etc., that may be in NFL players contracts or the league’s deals with its licensed vendors.

    Since Jones no longer a Cowboy, that’s not how he’s publicly identified. If it isn’t Barber, don’t need his permission. If Gurode is still with Ravens they, yeah, he may have been paid a little, or at least gave permission. I really don’t have time to go back up and reread everything. Just saying, when there in an obvious alteration it almost always has to do with usage rights. Otherwise, why bother?

    I had to redo a portion of a Redskins montage painting for Green Giant once, replacing John Riggins with Mark Moseley because Riggo said no to the deal. Everyone else in it (Jurgensen, C.Taylor, Theismann, Jacoby and Moseley) all signed off on it.

  • Pat | October 27, 2008 at 4:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”297021″][quote comment=”296982″][quote comment=”296963″]What’s with Chris Paul’s number here.[/quote]

    More importantly, what’s going on with that ball!? I might be, OK I am, way out of touch with ball design, but when was that the MBA’s ball design?[/quote]

    That’s so obviously photoshopped… someone’s f***ing with SI.[/quote]

    Am I just being linked to the wrong photo? I don’t see anything wrong with this.

  • dm00n | October 27, 2008 at 4:18 pm |

    I was just saying that they made the absolute minimal change to Ray Lewis (swapping his two uni numbers), while not changing his helmet number or nameplate, which is mostly visible. If that met the standard for this particular artist/agency, I don’t know why they would bother changing anyone else in the photo.

    I am not saying it is proper, or industry practice, or anything else. I was just commenting on what appears to be the threshold of what is identifiable and what is not in this picture based on what they did to Lewis.

  • Hambone | October 27, 2008 at 4:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”297018″]I’ve always wondered how you decide which number to put on Bama’s helmets on merchandise like those helmet hats? Seems like #12 is the most common (because of Namath?), but does the school have a policy on this?

    Google image search shows mostly # 12:
    http://images.google...

    It references supposedly 12 championships but the 12 includes the Birmingham News championships from the 1920’s. haha

  • Justin in AR | October 27, 2008 at 4:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”297077″][quote comment=”297021″][quote comment=”296982″][quote comment=”296963″]What’s with Chris Paul’s number here.[/quote]

    More importantly, what’s going on with that ball!? I might be, OK I am, way out of touch with ball design, but when was that the MBA’s ball design?[/quote]

    That’s so obviously photoshopped… someone’s f***ing with SI.[/quote]

    Am I just being linked to the wrong photo? I don’t see anything wrong with this.[/quote]

    Dammit! SI snuffed it out and the photo is now fixed.

  • dm00n | October 27, 2008 at 4:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”297077″][quote comment=”297021″][quote comment=”296982″][quote comment=”296963″]What’s with Chris Paul’s number here.[/quote]

    More importantly, what’s going on with that ball!? I might be, OK I am, way out of touch with ball design, but when was that the MBA’s ball design?[/quote]

    That’s so obviously photoshopped… someone’s f***ing with SI.[/quote]

    Am I just being linked to the wrong photo? I don’t see anything wrong with this.[/quote]

    Ha! They changed it. The uni number is different, the floor striping is a little different, the ad is gone off the hoop, the ball is normal, he is wearing less bracelets and the area name isn’t doubled.

    It was probably something from SI for Kids.

  • caknuck | October 27, 2008 at 4:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”297076″]
    Did they alter it to look like Barber?

    There are all kinds of murky areas in something like this, such as active players still with the team shown, players no longer in the league, etc., that may be in NFL players contracts or the league’s deals with its licensed vendors.

    Since Jones no longer a Cowboy, that’s not how he’s publicly identified. If it isn’t Barber, don’t need his permission. If Gurode is still with Ravens they, yeah, he may have been paid a little, or at least gave permission. I really don’t have time to go back up and reread everything. Just saying, when there in an obvious alteration it almost always has to do with usage rights. Otherwise, why bother?
    [/quote]

    They changed the running back in the photo from Julius Jones (#21) to appear to be Barber (#24, but without the signature dreads). Andre Gurode is the OL at the bottom of the pile, and his image does not appear to have been altered (#65, nameplate OK), although the unaltered reference photo had cropped Gurode out. No other players appear to be definitively identifiable in either pic (although the OL to the left side of the ad is probably T Torrin Tucker, #77).

  • Stuby | October 27, 2008 at 4:30 pm |

    My favorite ‘off’ brand was ‘Roos, as sported by Walter Payton. Wonder if he kept his house key in the little pocket during games.

  • Ricko | October 27, 2008 at 4:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”297078″]I was just saying that they made the absolute minimal change to Ray Lewis (swapping his two uni numbers), while not changing his helmet number or nameplate, which is mostly visible. If that met the standard for this particular artist/agency, I don’t know why they would bother changing anyone else in the photo.

    I am not saying it is proper, or industry practice, or anything else. I was just commenting on what appears to be the threshold of what is identifiable and what is not in this picture based on what they did to Lewis.[/quote]

    Here’s probably kinda what happened.

    They sent the piece to the players pictured who would be covered because they DO need their permission. In advance. Cheaper than paying lawyers afterward.

    “Uh-oh, Ray Lewis said No. He wants more money.”
    “Screw him. We’ll just change the number to 25.”
    “Ravens have a 25, not as well known, though.”
    “Well, maybe HE’d like to be featured.”
    “He would. I already have his permission.”

    Know what happened next? The artist didn’t notice the helmet number. He SCREWED UP. Nobody noticed it; they ALL screwed up, and it went to press that way.

    How much recourse does Lewis have? Who knows. If the the agreements talk about players identified by their “jersey number,” but don’t say anything about by “helmet number,” he may have none.

    Or, if he complains they’re maybe stuck sending him money to away.

    See, I think the REAL issue here is catching an artist’s oversight in what is not a unique situation. Nobody DECIDED anything, except to go to Plan B because Lewis was a dork.

  • KT | October 27, 2008 at 4:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”297073″][quote comment=”297072″]No, unless there is some sort of blanket agreement/release to the contrary, you cannot use an identifiable image of a public figure for advertising purposes with the permission of that person. There may, or may not, be compensation involved, but the fact that one player prominent in the photo has been altered is clear evidence that that individual did not have an agreement with the advertiser. Been in advertising agency work for 30 years. That IS the way it is.[/quote]

    Ooops…
    “…for advertising purposes withOUT the permission of that person.”

    Hell, you can’t use a photo of W.C. Fields or Babe Ruth, for example, for advertising without permission from their estate. I’m trying to debate this; I’m trying to give you the answer.[/quote]

    Doesn’t Curtis Management Group out of Indianapolis still rep the Babe? I did a story on them when his 100th birthday was coming up. They had James Dean, Marylin Monroe, and others. An empire built on dead celebs.

  • warren thompson | October 27, 2008 at 4:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”296985″][quote comment=”296978″]
    The Browns won the AAFC title from 46-49, NFL titles in 50, 54 and 55, their uniforms have changed very little since then…[/quote]

    Up to a point. In fact, the early Browns wore white helmets [commonly leather, perhaps through 1950 or so] and, usually but not always, white jerseys.

  • KT | October 27, 2008 at 4:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”297084″]
    Here’s probably kinda what happened.

    They sent the piece to the players pictured who would be covered because they DO need their permission. In advance. Cheaper than paying lawyers afterward.

    “Uh-oh, Ray Lewis said No. He wants more money.”
    “Screw him. We’ll just change the number to 25.”
    “Ravens have a 25, not as well known, though.”
    “Well, maybe HE’d like to be featured.”
    “He would. I already have his permission.”

    Know what happened next? The artist didn’t notice the helmet number. He SCREWED UP. Nobody noticed it; they ALL screwed up, and it went to press that way.
    [/quote]

    Not to mention the fact that the back of 52/25’s jersey says “R. LEWIS” on it.

  • chance | October 27, 2008 at 4:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”297071″]Thanks for the clip of the Fish unveiling those beautiful teal uniforms. I know it was all about teal being the in-color in the early 1990s and all, but damn, those hold up well. Much better than the current black-dominated unis, and also much better than the similarly trendy 1990s black-and-purple uniforms in Colorado, Arizona, and Tampa Bay.[/quote]

    The Marlins are a prime example of how a great design can be whittled away into a lousy one.

    No huge re-brand, just a lot of little changes that ruined the design.

  • Lwiedy | October 27, 2008 at 4:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”297083″]My favorite ‘off’ brand was ‘Roos, as sported by Walter Payton. Wonder if he kept his house key in the little pocket during games.[/quote]

    Good one. Ozzie wore ’em too: http://i.cdn.turner....

  • JTH | October 27, 2008 at 4:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”297083″]My favorite ‘off’ brand was ‘Roos, as sported by Walter Payton. Wonder if he kept his house key in the little pocket during games.[/quote]
    Roos: back in the NFL.

  • Ricko | October 27, 2008 at 4:54 pm |

    “Doesn’t Curtis Management Group out of Indianapolis still rep the Babe? I did a story on them when his 100th birthday was coming up. They had James Dean, Marylin Monroe, and others. An empire built on dead celebs.”

    Anyone who does such things works with, and has made deals with, the estates of those folks to handle such things.

  • Lwiedy | October 27, 2008 at 4:57 pm |

    Text book pants and stirrups: http://images.google...

  • Lwiedy | October 27, 2008 at 5:00 pm |

    I think we all love SI for the treasure trove of photos they have given us, but the caption accuracy often leave something to be desired: http://images.google...

  • JTH | October 27, 2008 at 5:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”297089″][quote comment=”297083″]My favorite ‘off’ brand was ‘Roos, as sported by Walter Payton. Wonder if he kept his house key in the little pocket during games.[/quote]

    Good one. Ozzie wore ’em too: http://i.cdn.turner....
    In addition to Payton, a bunch of other Bears wore Roos.
    Fridge with Sweetness
    Fridge & Wilber Marshall
    Dennis McKinnon

  • KT | October 27, 2008 at 5:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”297091″]”Doesn’t Curtis Management Group out of Indianapolis still rep the Babe? I did a story on them when his 100th birthday was coming up. They had James Dean, Marylin Monroe, and others. An empire built on dead celebs.”

    Anyone who does such things works with, and has made deals with, the estates of those folks to handle such things.[/quote]

    Of this I am aware. I wasn’t questioning that. Don’t let star status go to your head.

  • JR Boucicaut | October 27, 2008 at 5:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”297023″]I didn’t check the site over the weekend so I’ll respond to the goalie equipment question as I am one myself.

    The goalie in the all Vaughn equipment is simple – Vaughn goalie sticks suck. They’re fine for the recreational player, but for a competitive or pro, they don’t stand up to the rigors of play.

    A goalie using a Nike/Bauer stick is feasable as Bauer sticks have been around a long time and goalie could get used the that style, but Reebock equipment hasn’t been around as long, therefore a goalie not being as used to the pattern. I’ve also noticed that the Reebock sticks aren’t as strong.

    Goalies tend to use different gloves from their leg pads or simply 2 different brand gloves this is because they’re ore worried about the feel of the glove than the graphics or name on it.

    As a goalie I shopped for equipment based on how it felt, not who it was made by. Granted the manufacter was important in my descision as some have better quality. I always liked Vaughn because it is fine crafsmanship and their customer service is great if there is a defect. TPS goalie equipment always seemed cheep to me and rather than hand made, was machine made. I hope this helps.[/quote]

    Two problems with your argument –

    1 – Vaughn’s sticks are made by Montreal (now Warrior) and quite a few of Vaughn pad-wearers such as Kiprusoff, Backstrom, Biron, and now Price use the exact spec (graphite-reinforced foamcore) Montreal/Warrior stick that Vaughn sells at retail with their name on it. The reason why you don’t see any of the Vaughn goal sticks in the NHL is because they don’t want to pay the category fee for sticks – it’s not a market they really go after. Hell, they don’t even pay the IIHF category fee (which is why whenever there’s an international tournament Vaughn pads are always blacked out.)

    2 – The Reebok sticks are essentially the old Koho foam-cores from the late 90s. The Nike/Bauer sticks that you are seeing in the NHL are composite and debuted two years ago. Not to be extremely nit-picky, but the argument can be made the other way around about what guys are used to. That, and goalies were tossed quite a bit of coin by NBH to use the comps (remember that they never really caught on in the pros until last year.)

  • Ricko | October 27, 2008 at 5:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”297095″][quote comment=”297091″]”Doesn’t Curtis Management Group out of Indianapolis still rep the Babe? I did a story on them when his 100th birthday was coming up. They had James Dean, Marylin Monroe, and others. An empire built on dead celebs.”

    Anyone who does such things works with, and has made deals with, the estates of those folks to handle such things.[/quote]

    Of this I am aware. I wasn’t questioning that. Don’t let star status go to your head.[/quote]

  • Lwiedy | October 27, 2008 at 5:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”297095″][quote comment=”297091″]”Doesn’t Curtis Management Group out of Indianapolis still rep the Babe? I did a story on them when his 100th birthday was coming up. They had James Dean, Marylin Monroe, and others. An empire built on dead celebs.”

    Anyone who does such things works with, and has made deals with, the estates of those folks to handle such things.[/quote]

    Don’t let star status go to your head.[/quote]

    Is that really necessary?

  • Ricko | October 27, 2008 at 5:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”297098″][quote comment=”297095″][quote comment=”297091″]”Doesn’t Curtis Management Group out of Indianapolis still rep the Babe? I did a story on them when his 100th birthday was coming up. They had James Dean, Marylin Monroe, and others. An empire built on dead celebs.”

    Anyone who does such things works with, and has made deals with, the estates of those folks to handle such things.[/quote]

    Of this I am aware. I wasn’t questioning that. Don’t let star status go to your head.[/quote][/quote]

    I apologize, that should have be prefaced by saying I didn’t know Curtis by name. I’m on at work, trying to do three things at once. My bad.

  • LI Phil | October 27, 2008 at 5:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”297093″]I think we all love SI for the treasure trove of photos they have given us, but the caption accuracy often leave something to be desired: http://images.google...

    what’s wrong with the caption larry? (i see the title says ‘kc royals’ but it id’s schmiddy and brett correctly in the photo cap)

    /been a long day, am i missing something obvious?

  • Ricko | October 27, 2008 at 5:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”297100″][quote comment=”297098″][quote comment=”297095″][quote comment=”297091″]”Doesn’t Curtis Management Group out of Indianapolis still rep the Babe? I did a story on them when his 100th birthday was coming up. They had James Dean, Marylin Monroe, and others. An empire built on dead celebs.”

    Anyone who does such things works with, and has made deals with, the estates of those folks to handle such things.[/quote]

    Of this I am aware. I wasn’t questioning that. Don’t let star status go to your head.[/quote][/quote]

    I apologize, that should have be prefaced by saying I didn’t know Curtis by name. I’m on at work, trying to do three things at once. My bad.[/quote]

    And you were supporting what I said, too, so that made it doubly bad.

  • Lwiedy | October 27, 2008 at 5:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”297101″][quote comment=”297093″]I think we all love SI for the treasure trove of photos they have given us, but the caption accuracy often leave something to be desired: http://images.google...

    what’s wrong with the caption larry? (i see the title says ‘kc royals’ but it id’s schmiddy and brett correctly in the photo cap)

    /been a long day, am i missing something obvious?[/quote]

    Location. They had a 50% chance to be right and guessed wrong. S/b Ft. Myers. The Jack (as it was referred to here) never had turf.

  • Joe Drennan | October 27, 2008 at 5:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”297097″][quote comment=”297023″]I didn’t check the site over the weekend so I’ll respond to the goalie equipment question as I am one myself.

    The goalie in the all Vaughn equipment is simple – Vaughn goalie sticks suck. They’re fine for the recreational player, but for a competitive or pro, they don’t stand up to the rigors of play.

    A goalie using a Nike/Bauer stick is feasable as Bauer sticks have been around a long time and goalie could get used the that style, but Reebock equipment hasn’t been around as long, therefore a goalie not being as used to the pattern. I’ve also noticed that the Reebock sticks aren’t as strong.

    Goalies tend to use different gloves from their leg pads or simply 2 different brand gloves this is because they’re ore worried about the feel of the glove than the graphics or name on it.

    As a goalie I shopped for equipment based on how it felt, not who it was made by. Granted the manufacter was important in my descision as some have better quality. I always liked Vaughn because it is fine crafsmanship and their customer service is great if there is a defect. TPS goalie equipment always seemed cheep to me and rather than hand made, was machine made. I hope this helps.[/quote]

    Two problems with your argument –

    1 – Vaughn’s sticks are made by Montreal (now Warrior) and quite a few of Vaughn pad-wearers such as Kiprusoff, Backstrom, Biron, and now Price use the exact spec (graphite-reinforced foamcore) Montreal/Warrior stick that Vaughn sells at retail with their name on it. The reason why you don’t see any of the Vaughn goal sticks in the NHL is because they don’t want to pay the category fee for sticks – it’s not a market they really go after. Hell, they don’t even pay the IIHF category fee (which is why whenever there’s an international tournament Vaughn pads are always blacked out.)

    2 – The Reebok sticks are essentially the old Koho foam-cores from the late 90s. The Nike/Bauer sticks that you are seeing in the NHL are composite and debuted two years ago. Not to be extremely nit-picky, but the argument can be made the other way around about what guys are used to. That, and goalies were tossed quite a bit of coin by NBH to use the comps (remember that they never really caught on in the pros until last year.)[/quote]

    Looks like you know more about the sticks than I do. I’d love to learn more. I know the composits are knew, but it’s my understanding that the basic patterns the pros used from the wood/foam core days were replicated with the compsit sticks.

    Having played through the college ranks and knowing some guys in the show I’m embarrised to say I have never head about catagory fees – enlighten me.

  • LI Phil | October 27, 2008 at 5:31 pm |

    [quote]Location.[/quote]

    location…location

    yes

    it is everything

  • Brian from Short Island | October 27, 2008 at 5:31 pm |

    Those paint chips are coming off the ND player’s helmet. Notre Dame’s helmets are hand-painted between games, so that tends to happen when they’re hit.

    And it seemed like the whole offense had playbook wristbands in the first half when ND was running no-huddle, it seemed like all the players were looking at their wrists in between plays.

  • Al | October 27, 2008 at 5:35 pm |

    Did anyone see the clip of the dummy sideline reporter interviewing Mike Singletary before yesterday’s game? In her question, she refers to Singletary’s conversation with “(his) mentor Bill Walsh” after being named head coach last week.

    Singletary had the best “WTF?” face I’ve seen in a long time. (For the uninitiated, Walsh passed away fourteen months ago.)

  • Lwiedy | October 27, 2008 at 5:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”297105″][quote]Location.[/quote]

    location…location

    yes

    it is everything[/quote]

    I know its a little nitpicky, but in looking through a relatively small sample, there were a number of mistakes, mostly dates. Doing that stuff is tough but probably less is more.

  • JR Boucicaut | October 27, 2008 at 5:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”297104″][quote comment=”297097″][quote comment=”297023″]I didn’t check the site over the weekend so I’ll respond to the goalie equipment question as I am one myself.

    The goalie in the all Vaughn equipment is simple – Vaughn goalie sticks suck. They’re fine for the recreational player, but for a competitive or pro, they don’t stand up to the rigors of play.

    A goalie using a Nike/Bauer stick is feasable as Bauer sticks have been around a long time and goalie could get used the that style, but Reebock equipment hasn’t been around as long, therefore a goalie not being as used to the pattern. I’ve also noticed that the Reebock sticks aren’t as strong.

    Goalies tend to use different gloves from their leg pads or simply 2 different brand gloves this is because they’re ore worried about the feel of the glove than the graphics or name on it.

    As a goalie I shopped for equipment based on how it felt, not who it was made by. Granted the manufacter was important in my descision as some have better quality. I always liked Vaughn because it is fine crafsmanship and their customer service is great if there is a defect. TPS goalie equipment always seemed cheep to me and rather than hand made, was machine made. I hope this helps.[/quote]

    Two problems with your argument –

    1 – Vaughn’s sticks are made by Montreal (now Warrior) and quite a few of Vaughn pad-wearers such as Kiprusoff, Backstrom, Biron, and now Price use the exact spec (graphite-reinforced foamcore) Montreal/Warrior stick that Vaughn sells at retail with their name on it. The reason why you don’t see any of the Vaughn goal sticks in the NHL is because they don’t want to pay the category fee for sticks – it’s not a market they really go after. Hell, they don’t even pay the IIHF category fee (which is why whenever there’s an international tournament Vaughn pads are always blacked out.)

    2 – The Reebok sticks are essentially the old Koho foam-cores from the late 90s. The Nike/Bauer sticks that you are seeing in the NHL are composite and debuted two years ago. Not to be extremely nit-picky, but the argument can be made the other way around about what guys are used to. That, and goalies were tossed quite a bit of coin by NBH to use the comps (remember that they never really caught on in the pros until last year.)[/quote]

    Looks like you know more about the sticks than I do. I’d love to learn more. I know the composits are knew, but it’s my understanding that the basic patterns the pros used from the wood/foam core days were replicated with the compsit sticks.

    Having played through the college ranks and knowing some guys in the show I’m embarrised to say I have never head about catagory fees – enlighten me.[/quote]

    The wood goal stick is a thing of the past. The foamcores are lighter and don’t get waterlogged – matter of fact, I believe only TPS and Nike/Bauer still makes an all-wood stick at retail – that is it. Everyone else is either foamcore or composite. The major knock on composite sticks were rebound control and vibration.

    Manufacturers have to pay a fee to display their logo in the NHL. It is $50k per piece.

  • LI Phil | October 27, 2008 at 5:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”297108″][quote comment=”297105″][quote]Location.[/quote]

    location…location

    yes

    it is everything[/quote]

    I know its a little nitpicky, but in looking through a relatively small sample, there were a number of mistakes, mostly dates. Doing that stuff is tough but probably less is more.[/quote]

    nitpicky, yes, but i appreciate it…very subtle mistake; they make a fair amount of egregious ones, like improperly IDing players (recent example of evan longo we bemoaned a short while ago), but there are numerous others…i thought the one you were posting would have been more obvious (like say, using a pic of tug mcgraw and IDing it as schmidt…or spelling his name schmitt or something)

    great spot!

  • Tim | October 27, 2008 at 5:44 pm |

    The Islanders unvieled their 3rd Jersey: http://islanders.nhl...

  • Tim | October 27, 2008 at 5:46 pm |

    It may be me(colorblind) but is the jersey and socks a darker blue than the helmet and pants. I also don’t see a reason for the socks to be broken up in the back.

  • Dond | October 27, 2008 at 5:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”296904″]Correct me if I’m wrong here, but aren’t the 49ers the only one of pro football’s “dynasties” of the past 50 years or so (Packers, Dolphins, Steelers and Cowboys being the others) that isn’t wearing essentially the same unis as their glory years? Yes, I know…Dolphins have screwed around with orange jerseys and aqua pants, but basically the look is the same.

    So there it is. That’s why they’ve been on a downhill plunge since the change; they’ve offended the uni gods.

    Change ’em back, Niners. For another thing, they just LOOK better. And go back to white shoes, too. Not every team should wear black, not every team should wear white…but white calls to mind Rice-Montana, et al, so go with it.

    —Ricko
    (Man, when I get to be King, things’ll be different. LOL)[/quote]

    The Dolphins have added navy blue to their color skeem since the 70’s, I wouldn’t call them basically the same.

  • LI Phil | October 27, 2008 at 5:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”297111″]The Islanders unvieled their 3rd Jersey: http://islanders.nhl...

    pretty sweet…close to perfect…damn edge hemline and reebok logos but very, very nice (was hoping for the orig ’72 orange numbers tho)

  • Joe Drennan | October 27, 2008 at 5:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”297109″][quote comment=”297104″][quote comment=”297097″][quote comment=”297023″]I didn’t check the site over the weekend so I’ll respond to the goalie equipment question as I am one myself.

    The goalie in the all Vaughn equipment is simple – Vaughn goalie sticks suck. They’re fine for the recreational player, but for a competitive or pro, they don’t stand up to the rigors of play.

    A goalie using a Nike/Bauer stick is feasable as Bauer sticks have been around a long time and goalie could get used the that style, but Reebock equipment hasn’t been around as long, therefore a goalie not being as used to the pattern. I’ve also noticed that the Reebock sticks aren’t as strong.

    Goalies tend to use different gloves from their leg pads or simply 2 different brand gloves this is because they’re ore worried about the feel of the glove than the graphics or name on it.

    As a goalie I shopped for equipment based on how it felt, not who it was made by. Granted the manufacter was important in my descision as some have better quality. I always liked Vaughn because it is fine crafsmanship and their customer service is great if there is a defect. TPS goalie equipment always seemed cheep to me and rather than hand made, was machine made. I hope this helps.[/quote]

    Two problems with your argument –

    1 – Vaughn’s sticks are made by Montreal (now Warrior) and quite a few of Vaughn pad-wearers such as Kiprusoff, Backstrom, Biron, and now Price use the exact spec (graphite-reinforced foamcore) Montreal/Warrior stick that Vaughn sells at retail with their name on it. The reason why you don’t see any of the Vaughn goal sticks in the NHL is because they don’t want to pay the category fee for sticks – it’s not a market they really go after. Hell, they don’t even pay the IIHF category fee (which is why whenever there’s an international tournament Vaughn pads are always blacked out.)

    2 – The Reebok sticks are essentially the old Koho foam-cores from the late 90s. The Nike/Bauer sticks that you are seeing in the NHL are composite and debuted two years ago. Not to be extremely nit-picky, but the argument can be made the other way around about what guys are used to. That, and goalies were tossed quite a bit of coin by NBH to use the comps (remember that they never really caught on in the pros until last year.)[/quote]

    Looks like you know more about the sticks than I do. I’d love to learn more. I know the composits are knew, but it’s my understanding that the basic patterns the pros used from the wood/foam core days were replicated with the compsit sticks.

    Having played through the college ranks and knowing some guys in the show I’m embarrised to say I have never head about catagory fees – enlighten me.[/quote]

    The wood goal stick is a thing of the past. The foamcores are lighter and don’t get waterlogged – matter of fact, I believe only TPS and Nike/Bauer still makes an all-wood stick at retail – that is it. Everyone else is either foamcore or composite. The major knock on composite sticks were rebound control and vibration.

    Manufacturers have to pay a fee to display their logo in the NHL. It is $50k per piece.[/quote]

    I think the revived Christian still makes a log of a stick. I actually used them in college when they came back, but not sure if they’re still the all wood with the fiberglass wrap.

    I remember going from a Christian log to a CCM foam core. It was the greatest thing since sliced bread. I do not like the compsit sticks as they’re too light (I like to know I’m holding onto something), too slick – almost causing the stick to slide right out of my hand at times, and vibrate lick heck when the puck hits it. And the huge rebounds they give up. Foam core goalie sticks are the best.

  • Jeff P | October 27, 2008 at 5:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”297112″]It may be me(colorblind) but is the jersey and socks a darker blue than the helmet and pants. I also don’t see a reason for the socks to be broken up in the back.[/quote]
    Just the difference in materials I think…

    But why did they do that to the socks? Dear lord, most every team has a normal striped sock that’s not cut up in the back….

    Interesting that they went with the cup winning jerseys rather then the original ones with orange numbers that were rumored.

  • chris | October 27, 2008 at 5:56 pm |

    I noticed when checking out things for the new logo an gear for the Oklahoma City Redhawks a lot of the stuff is made by Nike. Never saw Nike minor league baseball gear before. Is that a new segment of the sports biz they are getting into??

  • Ricko | October 27, 2008 at 6:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”297113″][quote comment=”296904″]Correct me if I’m wrong here, but aren’t the 49ers the only one of pro football’s “dynasties” of the past 50 years or so (Packers, Dolphins, Steelers and Cowboys being the others) that isn’t wearing essentially the same unis as their glory years? Yes, I know…Dolphins have screwed around with orange jerseys and aqua pants, but basically the look is the same.

    So there it is. That’s why they’ve been on a downhill plunge since the change; they’ve offended the uni gods.

    Change ’em back, Niners. For another thing, they just LOOK better. And go back to white shoes, too. Not every team should wear black, not every team should wear white…but white calls to mind Rice-Montana, et al, so go with it.

    —Ricko
    (Man, when I get to be King, things’ll be different. LOL)[/quote]

    The Dolphins have added navy blue to their color skeem since the 70’s, I wouldn’t call them basically the same.[/quote]

    Adding a drop shadow and an accent stripe is a fundamental change in the look?
    Packers moved TVs to shoulders and no longer wear striped socks as in Lombardi era.
    Steelers numeral font is wildly different from Steel Curtain days.
    Cowboys home pants aren’t quite as blue as they used to be.

    But, okay…whatever.

  • Lwiedy | October 27, 2008 at 6:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”297116″][quote comment=”297112″]It may be me(colorblind) but is the jersey and socks a darker blue than the helmet and pants. I also don’t see a reason for the socks to be broken up in the back.[/quote]
    Just the difference in materials I think…

    But why did they do that to the socks? Dear lord, most every team has a normal striped sock that’s not cut up in the back….

    Interesting that they went with the cup winning jerseys rather then the original ones with orange numbers that were rumored.[/quote]

    The cup year were these: http://images.google...
    I believe the new unis are based most on the ’75 edition” http://www.psychedon...
    Where’s Teebz

  • steve | October 27, 2008 at 6:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”296900″]JaMarcus’ QB radio reciever/speaker is showing in the picture.[/quote]

    The best helmet radio picture I could find.

    http://digg.com/foot...

  • JR Boucicaut | October 27, 2008 at 6:18 pm |

    [quote comment=\”297116\”][quote comment=\”297112\”]It may be me(colorblind) but is the jersey and socks a darker blue than the helmet and pants. I also don\’t see a reason for the socks to be broken up in the back.[/quote]
    Just the difference in materials I think…

    But why did they do that to the socks? Dear lord, most every team has a normal striped sock that\’s not cut up in the back….

    Interesting that they went with the cup winning jerseys rather then the original ones with orange numbers that were rumored.[/quote]

    Nah, it can be done –

    http://images.sports...

    The Isles just chose not to expand the stripes.

  • Dixie Man 1957 | October 27, 2008 at 6:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”296922″]Wow. That Chase Utley jersey woke me right up!!![/quote]

    My new favorite team and player…!!!

  • Carl | October 27, 2008 at 6:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”296998″]Sorry, here are the rest of the helmet hats

    http://a712.g.akamai...
    http://a712.g.akamai...
    http://a712.g.akamai...
    http://a712.g.akamai...
    http://a712.g.akamai...
    http://a712.g.akamai...
    http://a712.g.akamai...
    http://a712.g.akamai...
    http://a712.g.akamai...
    http://a712.g.akamai...

    …anyone else think that it’s ironic that all but PSU’s and questionably WV’s hat’s are schools that get cold weather? I would expect a bigger BigTen showing for realism with the marketing.

  • John Zajac | October 27, 2008 at 6:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”297054″][quote comment=”297051″][quote comment=”297050″][quote comment=”297047″][quote comment=”297042″]Though I’m not sure what the inverted ‘K’ is for, but I am sure someone here does[/quote]

    100 1,000 NCAA titles[/quote]
    You’re welcome.[/quote]

    you missed the yellow c stuff, huh[/quote]

    No. I knew where you were going with that. I was just trying to tie together the C = 100, K = 1,000 thing.

    I guess it didn’t work as well as I had envisioned.[/quote]

    Oh I remember the yellow C, but with all the tributes going out to Mr. Wildcat Bill Keightly, Oscar’s answer makes the most sense. Too bad they didn’t mention the K on the UK webpage where the photo gallery came from.

    And that’s enough UK outta me for one day. [/wildcats]

  • Bruce | October 27, 2008 at 6:44 pm |

    Does anyone have a link to when Paul did the piece on the Light Blue / Pink color combo? I think it was about a year ago. Or if anyone knew what month it was I could look in the archive myself. Thanks.

  • TerryR | October 27, 2008 at 7:05 pm |

    Ah, another day, and another 20 posts from Ricko telling everyone why he IS right and they ARE wrong… About everything. Good times indeed.

  • Bruce | October 27, 2008 at 7:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”297125″]Does anyone have a link to when Paul did the piece on the Light Blue / Pink color combo? I think it was about a year ago. Or if anyone knew what month it was I could look in the archive myself. Thanks.[/quote]

    I mean Light Blue and BROWN, sorry about that.

  • Ricko | October 27, 2008 at 7:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”297126″]Ah, another day, and another 20 posts from Ricko telling everyone why he IS right and they ARE wrong… About everything. Good times indeed.[/quote]

    I was just trying to explain how usage rights work, and once didn’t seem to be enough. And that in sports, dynasties can have a beginning and an end and, as several people pointed out, because they seem to be more difficult to maintain in footall compared to other sports, they are hard to precisely define.

    Plus, it was a pissy day at work.

    Bottom line, I apologize for such a “get off my lawn” day.

    —Ricko

  • Kevin M. | October 27, 2008 at 8:32 pm |

    Just showed Jimmy Rollins wearing the Fudd Cap in the game.

  • LarenR | October 27, 2008 at 8:33 pm |

    Rollins is wearing his Elmer Fudd in the field tonight.

  • Kevin M. | October 27, 2008 at 8:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”297129″]Just showed Jimmy Rollins wearing the Fudd Cap in the game.[/quote]

    Looks like Crawford is also wearing one.

  • Justin H. | October 27, 2008 at 8:53 pm |
  • Kevin M. | October 27, 2008 at 8:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”297131″][quote comment=”297129″]Just showed Jimmy Rollins wearing the Fudd Cap in the game.[/quote]

    Looks like Crawford is also wearing one.[/quote]

    And Bartlett, so it looks like a number of players are wearing them.

  • Marcus from B-More | October 27, 2008 at 9:08 pm |

    http://farm4.static....

    I was hoping for somehing a little bit more modern, but hey, at least we got “baltimore” back on the jersey finally.

  • Justin | October 27, 2008 at 9:14 pm |

    I’m watching the Bruins vs Oilers and the Oilers are in their retro third jerseys. They look very, very nice and Mathieu Garon is wearing a retro mask and retro vaughn pads with a gaudy (but still so beautiful!) bright orange blocker glove. No pictures yet, but if i can grab any I will.

  • Cosmo | October 27, 2008 at 9:15 pm |

    Ugh… Titans should be wearing their dark blue pants. Yuk.

  • Justin | October 27, 2008 at 9:16 pm |

    Whoops, Roloson’s in net, not Garon.

  • LarenR | October 27, 2008 at 9:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”297132″]http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n262/screaminweasel/sabres_football.png[/quote]
    Wuh?

  • josh | October 27, 2008 at 9:29 pm |

    no link because if the phils hold on tonight it will be gone, but mlb.com is preselling ws champion tees for both teams. they have a tee canvas with a question mark on them for the photo and if you read this in time you can see it at the mlb.com shop or it is in the rotation of ads on the mlb.com home page

  • LI Phil | October 27, 2008 at 9:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”297138″][quote comment=”297132″]http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n262/screaminweasel/sabres_football.png[/quote]
    Wuh?[/quote]

    you know…modern uni designers could still learn something about stripes from that mockup

  • MPowers1634 | October 27, 2008 at 9:31 pm |

    I realize that I am probably in the minority, but I actually like the Elmer Fudd caps!

  • Terri | October 27, 2008 at 9:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”297141″]I realize that I am probably in the minority, but I actually like the Elmer Fudd caps![/quote]

    I like ’em too- style is important, but ya gotta do something when it’s cold, and I think that of all the choices, this looks the best.

    I’d actually like mlb to sell them; my dad would love it- and he’d probably stop wearing actual elmer fudd hats.

  • LI Phil | October 27, 2008 at 9:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”297142″][quote comment=”297141″]I realize that I am probably in the minority, but I actually like the Elmer Fudd caps![/quote]

    I like ’em too- style is important, but ya gotta do something when it’s cold, and I think that of all the choices, this looks the best.

    I’d actually like mlb to sell them; my dad would love it- and he’d probably stop wearing actual elmer fudd hats.[/quote]

    im tellin ya, this is gonna be a MUST HAVE for holiday 08 shopping

    twenty eight bucks aint that bad

  • JTH | October 27, 2008 at 9:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”297142″][quote comment=”297141″]I realize that I am probably in the minority, but I actually like the Elmer Fudd caps![/quote]

    I like ’em too- style is important, but ya gotta do something when it’s cold, and I think that of all the choices, this looks the best.

    I’d actually like mlb to sell them; my dad would love it- and he’d probably stop wearing actual elmer fudd hats.[/quote]
    I love them. Watching April baseball in Chicago all my life, I’ve always said that teams should have some kind of cold weather cap. By the way, that conference on the mound just featured no fewer than three flap-down caps.

    It looks like these would be more appropriate tonight, though.

  • LarenR | October 27, 2008 at 9:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”297142″][quote comment=”297141″]I realize that I am probably in the minority, but I actually like the Elmer Fudd caps![/quote]

    I like ’em too- style is important, but ya gotta do something when it’s cold, and I think that of all the choices, this looks the best.

    I’d actually like mlb to sell them; my dad would love it- and he’d probably stop wearing actual elmer fudd hats.[/quote]
    I’d totally wear one. It would be perfect for “cold” San Francisco nights and skiing at Lake Tahoe! If anybody finds out where to buy them, be sure to let us know.

  • LarenR | October 27, 2008 at 9:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”297143″][quote comment=”297142″][quote comment=”297141″]I realize that I am probably in the minority, but I actually like the Elmer Fudd caps![/quote]

    I like ’em too- style is important, but ya gotta do something when it’s cold, and I think that of all the choices, this looks the best.

    I’d actually like mlb to sell them; my dad would love it- and he’d probably stop wearing actual elmer fudd hats.[/quote]

    im tellin ya, this is gonna be a MUST HAVE for holiday 08 shopping

    twenty eight bucks aint that bad[/quote]
    oh. thanx.

  • Terri | October 27, 2008 at 9:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”297143″][quote comment=”297142″][quote comment=”297141″]I realize that I am probably in the minority, but I actually like the Elmer Fudd caps![/quote]

    I like ’em too- style is important, but ya gotta do something when it’s cold, and I think that of all the choices, this looks the best.

    I’d actually like mlb to sell them; my dad would love it- and he’d probably stop wearing actual elmer fudd hats.[/quote]

    im tellin ya, this is gonna be a MUST HAVE for holiday 08 shopping

    twenty eight bucks aint that bad[/quote]

    ok, only 6 teams? They gotta add the royals for me!

  • LI Phil | October 27, 2008 at 9:55 pm |

    just google “Downflap 39THIRTY Cap” and you should hit the motherlode

  • =bg= | October 27, 2008 at 9:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”296904″]Correct me if I’m wrong here, but aren’t the 49ers the only one of pro football’s “dynasties” of the past 50 years or so (Packers, Dolphins, Steelers and Cowboys being the others) that isn’t wearing essentially the same unis as their glory years? Yes, I know…Dolphins have screwed around with orange jerseys and aqua pants, but basically the look is the same.

    So there it is. That’s why they’ve been on a downhill plunge since the change; they’ve offended the uni gods.

    Change ’em back, Niners. For another thing, they just LOOK better. And go back to white shoes, too. Not every team should wear black, not every team should wear white…but white calls to mind Rice-Montana, et al, so go with it.

    —Ricko
    (Man, when I get to be King, things’ll be different. LOL)[/quote]

    Yeah I agree with this, but we need Rice and Montana back, too.

  • JTH | October 27, 2008 at 9:59 pm |

    Screen grabs of the Fudds on the mound:

    http://farm4.static....

    http://farm4.static....

  • =bg= | October 27, 2008 at 10:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”297061″][quote comment=”297059″][quote comment=”297055″][quote comment=”296957″][quote comment=”296954″][quote comment=”296939″]Quick question for all you footwear gurus out there … What brand is this?:
    http://farm4.static....

    Rawlings, I think. A late 70’s shoe. In that era when Brooks, Converse, Mizuno, Acics, Pony–even Spaulding–lept feet first into the cleat business. Right before Nike came along to begin its rise to prominence (dominance?).

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Oh, yeah, Wilson tried to get in there, too.

    Shown here on Ken Stabler for football, but I remember Bernie Carbo wearing a pair of red onces (with royal trim) with the Red Sox. Carbo was big on off-brands. Wore those Rawlings in red while a Cardinal.

    http://vault.sportsi...

    Never knew those were Wilson. You can see the top part is a “W” and the stripe looks like a modified swoosh or an upside-down puma stripe.

    Another “off” baseball brand, New Balance: http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    Pro-Keds took a shot at the cleat marketplace, too. Check Joe Theismann during ’83 and Jeffrey Leonard of the Giants in ’83 or ’84.[/quote]

    Spaulding (no Caddyshack quotes, please): http://images.google...

    You are all dead on right. I pride myself on sports footwear knowledge. Rawlings, Wilson, Spalding, they were all there. The one that came from NOWHERE is Brooks. Early 70s it was all Puma and Adidas, they had taken over for Riddell in the NFL..then Brooks came from nowhere. Pony was huge, too.

    I was the first guy in an otherwise Puma and Adidas dominated Mariemont HS in Cincinnati..to wear Nike. (the white canvas/power blue ‘All-Court’ and leather ‘Wimdledon.’ At the time, they’d go, “Nike? (as in Mike.) Sounds dated now, I know. The BB team soon switched to the “Bruin.”

  • LI Phil | October 27, 2008 at 10:04 pm |

    while i totally agree with the “fudd” nomenclature, you guys do realize elmer’s lid has no flaps, right? ;)

  • LI Phil | October 27, 2008 at 10:08 pm |

    [quote] was the first guy in an otherwise Puma and Adidas dominated Mariemont HS in Cincinnati..to wear Nike. (the white canvas/power blue ‘All-Court’ and leather ‘Wimdledon.’ At the time, they’d go, “Nike? (as in Mike.) Sounds dated now, I know. The BB team soon switched to the “Bruin.”[/quote]

    right there with ya brinke…i somehow convinced my ‘rents i played better in tacchini clothes and nik(e)s…had the leather for the hards, and the canvas for teh clay…and kramer autographs

  • JTH | October 27, 2008 at 10:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”297152″]while i totally agree with the “fudd” nomenclature, you guys do realize elmer’s lid has no flaps, right? ;)[/quote]
    I disagree. I think those red panels on the side are the flaps. His hat’s even got the laces at the top to secure the flaps in the up position like this one.

  • JTH | October 27, 2008 at 10:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”297136″]Ugh… Titans should be wearing their dark blue pants. Yuk.[/quote]I really think they should always be wearing the white pants no matter which jerseys they go with, but for some reason, I don’t hate this powder blue on powder blue look. I feel like I should be hating it, though.

    They need to abandon the dark blues, though.

  • LI Phil | October 27, 2008 at 10:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”297154″][quote comment=”297152″]while i totally agree with the “fudd” nomenclature, you guys do realize elmer’s lid has no flaps, right? ;)[/quote]
    I disagree. I think those red panels on the side are the flaps. His hat’s even got the laces at the top to secure the flaps in the up position like this one.[/quote]

    o weawee?

    i’ll grant you that they are flaps, but i cannot find ANY pics of him with the flaps down tho

  • Randy Miller | October 27, 2008 at 10:23 pm |

    If the Fudd nomenclature doesn’t work, how about the Floyd R. Turbo (with a cap tip to the late Johny Carson.)

  • JTH | October 27, 2008 at 10:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”297157″]If the Fudd nomenclature doesn’t work, how about the Floyd R. Turbo (with a cap tip to the late Johny Carson.)[/quote]
    I’m down with that.

  • Beats in Buffalo | October 27, 2008 at 10:36 pm |

    The “Elmer Fudds” are 39/30s that makes a lot of sense the brims looked to be pre-curved and the material did not look the same as the traditional 59/50s but with the caps being wet it was hard to tell..I like the ear flap look a lot better than stocking caps overtop of or underneath the regular cap…it may not be a traditional look but its doesn’t take away from the uniform and as a Buffalo native if this is a new trend that brings some revenue to the Buffalo based New Era Company I’m all for it

  • Ryan | October 27, 2008 at 10:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”297087″][quote comment=”297084″]
    Here’s probably kinda what happened.

    They sent the piece to the players pictured who would be covered because they DO need their permission. In advance. Cheaper than paying lawyers afterward.

    “Uh-oh, Ray Lewis said No. He wants more money.”
    “Screw him. We’ll just change the number to 25.”
    “Ravens have a 25, not as well known, though.”
    “Well, maybe HE’d like to be featured.”
    “He would. I already have his permission.”

    Know what happened next? The artist didn’t notice the helmet number. He SCREWED UP. Nobody noticed it; they ALL screwed up, and it went to press that way.
    [/quote]

    Not to mention the fact that the back of 52/25’s jersey says “R. LEWIS” on it.[/quote]

    Could the image have been mirrored in photo shop causing the numbers to have been reversed digitally? They may have moved the numbers correctly in one spot and not in the other.

  • Stuby | October 27, 2008 at 10:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”297157″]If the Fudd nomenclature doesn’t work, how about the Floyd R. Turbo (with a cap tip to the late Johny Carson.)[/quote]
    Or the ‘Grumpy Old Man’, which applies to Maddon’s feelings about the umps tonight.
    http://www.moviehole...

  • LarenR | October 27, 2008 at 10:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”297156″][quote comment=”297154″][quote comment=”297152″]while i totally agree with the “fudd” nomenclature, you guys do realize elmer’s lid has no flaps, right? ;)[/quote]
    I disagree. I think those red panels on the side are the flaps. His hat’s even got the laces at the top to secure the flaps in the up position like this one.[/quote]

    o weawee?

    i’ll grant you that they are flaps, but i cannot find ANY pics of him with the flaps down tho[/quote]
    Of course they’re flaps. Just because they are always up (and Elmer’s are always up), doesn’t make ’em any less flappy. Maddon’s had his up all weekend, but none of us would argue that they aren’t flaps!

  • Lwiedy | October 27, 2008 at 10:43 pm |

    Carlos Pena just bailed out MLB.

  • Jeff P | October 27, 2008 at 10:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”297119″][quote comment=”297116″][quote comment=”297112″]It may be me(colorblind) but is the jersey and socks a darker blue than the helmet and pants. I also don’t see a reason for the socks to be broken up in the back.[/quote]
    Just the difference in materials I think…

    But why did they do that to the socks? Dear lord, most every team has a normal striped sock that’s not cut up in the back….

    Interesting that they went with the cup winning jerseys rather then the original ones with orange numbers that were rumored.[/quote]

    The cup year were these: http://images.google...
    I believe the new unis are based most on the ’75 edition” http://www.psychedon...
    Where’s Teebz[/quote]
    My bad.

    As to the later post saying that it can be done with the socks, That was my point. It can be done and most NHL teams do it.

  • Chris | October 27, 2008 at 10:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”297148″]just google “Downflap 39THIRTY Cap” and you should hit the motherlode[/quote]
    the only problem is that those aren’t what the players are wearing, but they are close.

  • LI Phil | October 27, 2008 at 10:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”297163″]Carlos Pena just bailed out MLB.[/quote]

    no shit larry…i was just thinking the same thing

    /oh goodie, my local news is on…sure hope this game ends at 1:48 am…it’s not like i have to work in the morning

  • Terri | October 27, 2008 at 10:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”297166″][quote comment=”297163″]Carlos Pena just bailed out MLB.[/quote]

    no shit larry…i was just thinking the same thing

    /oh goodie, my local news is on…sure hope this game ends at 1:48 am…it’s not like i have to work in the morning[/quote]

  • Stuby | October 27, 2008 at 10:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”297156″][quote comment=”297154″][quote comment=”297152″]while i totally agree with the “fudd” nomenclature, you guys do realize elmer’s lid has no flaps, right? ;)[/quote]
    I disagree. I think those red panels on the side are the flaps. His hat’s even got the laces at the top to secure the flaps in the up position like this one.[/quote]

    o weawee?

    i’ll grant you that they are flaps, but i cannot find ANY pics of him with the flaps down tho[/quote]
    Here ya go…
    http://static.flickr...

  • Lwiedy | October 27, 2008 at 10:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”297163″]Carlos Pena just bailed out MLB.[/quote]

    I swear I posted that before McCarver said it.

    This is the double-edged sword of the drain-thru fields. They kept playing because the condition of the field was “playable” but the overall condition certainly was not. To think they could have gotten in 9 was absurd. Don’t know what you do, decide the world championship in a six inning game or worse have it decided by someone dropping a fly ball. They are still going to get destroyed but at least they have a day to do damage control.

  • Terri | October 27, 2008 at 10:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”297167″][quote comment=”297166″][quote comment=”297163″]Carlos Pena just bailed out MLB.[/quote]

    no shit larry…i was just thinking the same thing

    /oh goodie, my local news is on…sure hope this game ends at 1:48 am…it’s not like i have to work in the morning[/quote][/quote]

    Apparently the announcers don’t get it…they kept saying that if Pena hadn’t batted in that run, then that would’ve been it for the Rays cuz MLB would’ve called it and the Phils would’ve run. Obviously, MLB would have NEVER called the game if one team had the lead…they were just praying for a tie at the end of the inning.

  • JTH | October 27, 2008 at 11:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”297168″][quote comment=”297156″][quote comment=”297154″][quote comment=”297152″]while i totally agree with the “fudd” nomenclature, you guys do realize elmer’s lid has no flaps, right? ;)[/quote]
    I disagree. I think those red panels on the side are the flaps. His hat’s even got the laces at the top to secure the flaps in the up position like this one.[/quote]

    o weawee?

    i’ll grant you that they are flaps, but i cannot find ANY pics of him with the flaps down tho[/quote]
    Here ya go…
    http://static.flickr...
    Whoa! That’s like the holy grail of, uh, Elmer Fudd pics.

  • Lwiedy | October 27, 2008 at 11:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”297170″][quote comment=”297167″][quote comment=”297166″][quote comment=”297163″]Carlos Pena just bailed out MLB.[/quote]

    no shit larry…i was just thinking the same thing

    /oh goodie, my local news is on…sure hope this game ends at 1:48 am…it’s not like i have to work in the morning[/quote][/quote]

    Apparently the announcers don’t get it…they kept saying that if Pena hadn’t batted in that run, then that would’ve been it for the Rays cuz MLB would’ve called it and the Phils would’ve run. Obviously, MLB would have NEVER called the game if one team had the lead…they were just praying for a tie at the end of the inning.[/quote]

    If the game was not tied or resumed, the Phils are world champs, no ifs and or buts. Those are the rules. Change ’em tomorrow and you play on, but tonight the game was over.

  • LI Phil | October 27, 2008 at 11:01 pm |

    [quote]Apparently the announcers don’t get it…they kept saying that if Pena hadn’t batted in that run, then that would’ve been it for the Rays cuz MLB would’ve called it and the Phils would’ve run. Obviously, MLB would have NEVER called the game if one team had the lead…they were just praying for a tie at the end of the inning.[/quote]

    either that or you would have had the longest rain delay in history…no way were they gonna decide a world series in a six inning game

  • Lwiedy | October 27, 2008 at 11:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”297173″][quote]Apparently the announcers don’t get it…they kept saying that if Pena hadn’t batted in that run, then that would’ve been it for the Rays cuz MLB would’ve called it and the Phils would’ve run. Obviously, MLB would have NEVER called the game if one team had the lead…they were just praying for a tie at the end of the inning.[/quote]

    either that or you would have had the longest rain delay in history…no way were they gonna decide a world series in a six inning game[/quote]

    If it rains until 7 a.m.? It’s a moot point now but you can’t change the rules on the fly. It would be tantamount to fraud. They are RULES not suggestions. There is nothing in the book that says “these are the rules, except when it’s the last game of the World Series”.

  • LI Phil | October 27, 2008 at 11:15 pm |

    [quote]They are still going to get destroyed but at least they have a day to do damage control.[/quote]

    yup…officially suspended till tomorrow

  • Terri | October 27, 2008 at 11:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”297175″][quote]They are still going to get destroyed but at least they have a day to do damage control.[/quote]

    yup…officially suspended till tomorrow[/quote]

    This may be a stupid question, but what happens with all the ticket holders for the game? And I’m assuming that they’ll resume the game in primetime, right? I mean, Philly sports fans have waited 28 years for a championship- it’d be terrible for them to miss seeing it b/c of the weather.
    (Of course, pointless as it may be, I’m rooting for the Rays cuz I don’t want obnoxious Philadelphia fans to ever see that championship)

  • LI Phil | October 27, 2008 at 11:24 pm |

    [quote]you can’t change the rules on the fly. It would be tantamount to fraud. They are RULES not suggestions. There is nothing in the book that says “these are the rules, except when it’s the last game of the World Series”.[/quote]

    while i agree with you, much like the 2000 election, you’d have half the nation thinking they wuz robbed…even after they went back and counted all the votes after the supreme court decision (and bush still won), mlb would have had a HUGE black eye

    i think they would have tried to get a full 9 innings in even if it meant restarting the game at 2 am

  • Ryan | October 27, 2008 at 11:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”297177″][quote]you can’t change the rules on the fly. It would be tantamount to fraud. They are RULES not suggestions. There is nothing in the book that says “these are the rules, except when it’s the last game of the World Series”.[/quote]

    while i agree with you, much like the 2000 election, you’d have half the nation thinking they wuz robbed…even after they went back and counted all the votes after the supreme court decision (and bush still won), mlb would have had a HUGE black eye

    i think they would have tried to get a full 9 innings in even if it meant restarting the game at 2 am[/quote]
    they did not count all votes in 2000

  • Lwiedy | October 27, 2008 at 11:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”297177″][quote]you can’t change the rules on the fly. It would be tantamount to fraud. They are RULES not suggestions. There is nothing in the book that says “these are the rules, except when it’s the last game of the World Series”.[/quote]

    while i agree with you, much like the 2000 election, you’d have half the nation thinking they wuz robbed…even after they went back and counted all the votes after the supreme court decision (and bush still won), mlb would have had a HUGE black eye

    i think they would have tried to get a full 9 innings in even if it meant restarting the game at 2 am[/quote]

    And thus my original statement, Carlos Pena MVP. Terri, everyone with a ticket gets to come back. Lost of flights are being changed right now!

  • Namhob | October 27, 2008 at 11:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”297178″][quote comment=”297177″][quote]they did not count all votes in 2000[/quote]
    And cut…that’s my cue for bed. I hear enough of this during the day.

  • LI Phil | October 27, 2008 at 11:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”297178″]they did not count all votes in 2000[/quote]

    yes they did…it just wasn’t widely reported because it confirmed a bush victory…something the media has, to this day, neither forgotten nor forgiven

    from that article:

    [quote] the analysis concluded that … even if the Supreme Court had not stepped in to block a statewide manual recount, Mr. Bush would have won.[/quote]

  • Stuby | October 27, 2008 at 11:38 pm |

    How does Kerry Collins see out of that helmet, anyway?

  • Terri | October 27, 2008 at 11:58 pm |

    So they’re going to start at 8pm, no matter what day it is…tentatively tommorrow, but the weather is still supposed to be terrible. According to Selig “We’ll stay here even if we have to celebrate Thanksgiving here.”

    So what are the odds that weather.com crashes from so many hits on Philly’s forecast?

  • JTH | October 28, 2008 at 12:01 am |

    [quote comment=”297181″][quote comment=”297178″]they did not count all votes in 2000[/quote]

    yes they did…it just wasn’t widely reported because it confirmed a bush victory…something the media has, to this day, neither forgotten nor forgiven

    from that article:

    [quote] the analysis concluded that … even if the Supreme Court had not stepped in to block a statewide manual recount, Mr. Bush would have won.[/quote][/quote]
    Also in that article is something that seems almost like a foreign concept today:
    [quote]…how do you challenge a president who is basking in job approval ratings of close to 90 percent?[/quote]

  • MPowers1634 | October 28, 2008 at 12:07 am |
  • Stuby | October 28, 2008 at 12:11 am |

    [quote comment=”297185″]Phil, Paul:
    http://ak.buy.com/db...
    At least there’s no black.

  • Lwiedy | October 28, 2008 at 12:29 am |

    [quote comment=”297174″][quote comment=”297173″][quote]Apparently the announcers don’t get it…they kept saying that if Pena hadn’t batted in that run, then that would’ve been it for the Rays cuz MLB would’ve called it and the Phils would’ve run. Obviously, MLB would have NEVER called the game if one team had the lead…they were just praying for a tie at the end of the inning.[/quote]

    either that or you would have had the longest rain delay in history…no way were they gonna decide a world series in a six inning game[/quote]

    There is nothing in the book that says “these are the rules, except when it’s the last game of the World Series”.[/quote]

    Apparently there is.

  • LI Phil | October 28, 2008 at 12:46 am |

    [quote comment=”297187″][quote comment=”297174″]
    There is nothing in the book that says “these are the rules, except when it’s the last game of the World Series”.[/quote]

    Apparently there is.[/quote]

    there is NOW

    bud just changed 150 years of history (or WOULD have if pena hadn’t saved his ass)

  • Mike Engle | October 28, 2008 at 1:03 am |

    So if the Phillies lose this two-day game because of the rain and the city’s fans need to call it a “scandal” to make themselves feel better, can we call it “Floodgate?”

  • Jeff P | October 28, 2008 at 1:50 am |

    [quote comment=”297177″][quote]you can’t change the rules on the fly. It would be tantamount to fraud. They are RULES not suggestions. There is nothing in the book that says “these are the rules, except when it’s the last game of the World Series”.[/quote]

    while i agree with you, much like the 2000 election, you’d have half the nation thinking they wuz robbed…even after they went back and counted all the votes after the supreme court decision (and bush still won), mlb would have had a HUGE black eye

    i think they would have tried to get a full 9 innings in even if it meant restarting the game at 2 am[/quote]
    Not quite. If they counted by the standards Gore was pushing for, Bush would have won. If they counted by the standards Bush wanted, Gore would have won.

    And that’s your little political trivia tidbit for today…

  • LarenR | October 28, 2008 at 4:13 am |

    [quote comment=”297187″][quote comment=”297174″][quote comment=”297173″][quote]Apparently the announcers don’t get it…they kept saying that if Pena hadn’t batted in that run, then that would’ve been it for the Rays cuz MLB would’ve called it and the Phils would’ve won. Obviously, MLB would have NEVER called the game if one team had the lead…they were just praying for a tie at the end of the inning.[/quote]

    either that or you would have had the longest rain delay in history…no way were they gonna decide a world series in a six inning game[/quote]

    There is nothing in the book that says “these are the rules, except when it’s the last game of the World Series”.[/quote]

    Apparently there is.[/quote]
    Yeah, apparently there is. Check near the end of this article for this tidbit: “Selig said he determined [before the game] Saturday in consultation with the two general managers, Philadelphia’s Pat Gillick and Tampa Bay’s Andrew Friedman, that the Series would not end on a yellow, as the NASCAR kids like to say.”

  • DenverGregg | October 28, 2008 at 7:50 am |

    [quote comment=”297064″]Don’t know if anyone’s seen this, but the Colorado Springs Sky Sox have unveiled a new logo/color scheme. Seems pretty generic minor league kinda stuff:

    http://web.minorleag...
    Good catch of bad news. The old Sky Sox look was unique (Green and Silver, great cap logo). Now they’re one of about eight thousand pro baseball teams to wear RWB. Nothing wrong with RWB, but it is nice to see a team wear something else.