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Monday Morning Uni Watch

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The Bucs had a big halftime tribute to Mike Alstott last night. As is frequently the case in the NFL, they didn’t officially retire his number, although they certainly made sure everyone knew what that number was. Anyway, amidst all the fuss and fiddledeedee, they apparently neglected a bit of quality control regarding Alstott’s nameplate.

Or did they? Reader Brandon Creeger posted this in last night’s comments: “The orange jersey is from his rookie year (1996). For his first two home games, his jersey was misspelled. [So the typo in the retired jersey] was intentional. It was the first jersey he ever wore in the NFL.” That story appears to be confirmed here. I’d never been aware of that typo.

In other uni-related news from the weekend:

• Pink uni elements to support breast cancer research are nothing new, but New Mexico State took things to a new extreme on Saturday, replacing their regular helmet decal with a pink ribbongloves too, although that seems like an afterthought compared to the helmets. (Thanks to Sam Wasson for the pics.)

• The Bears did their annual Tang-fest thing yesterday. Lots of additional pics here.

• The Rams wore white at home, presumably to force Dallas into wearing their bad luck blues.

• Speaking of the Cowboys: Most of the attention regarding Dallas QB fingers was focused on Romo’s wittle boo-boo pinky, but check out the tape on Brad Johnson’s fingers. Never seen that on a QB before. Anyone know what that might be for?

• And Matt Garza was wearing earplugs in the 1st inning last night — unusual for a home starter. He took them out for the rest of the game. (Screen grab courtesy of L.I. Phil.)

Raffle Reminder: I’m currently raffling of an Ernie Davis throwback Syracuse helmet from Helmet Hut, just like the ones used in The Express. For details, look here.

Uni Watch News Ticker: I was looking through some old files and came across something I’d written back in 2000: a review of a basketball-themed cereal. I’d completely forgotten about this, but it holds up pretty well as quasi-Uni Watch material. … Lots of photos of Shea Stadium’s dismantling (plus an old article that I hadn’t seen until now) here (courtesy of Stan Olechowski), and there’s a video report here. … And wait, still more Shea demolition pics here. … John Muir notes that the “C” on Roberto Luongo’s mask has changed from blue to white, plus his backplate features a Luc Bourdon memorial decal, much like the ones the rest of the Canucks are wearing. … Great video clip here about the woman who sews the World Series patches on the Phillies’ jerseys. … The Coyotes’ alternate jersey has been leaked. … Some Washington Nats uni gossip here (with thanks to David McGee). … Interesting piece here about making hockey helmets more team-centric, much like in football (with thanks to K.C. Kless). … “You know you’re a Uni Watch addict when you notice a Pedro porthole on Seinfeld,” writes Chris Markham. … Reprinted from Saturday’s comments: Great Rhode Island Reds patch here (good find by Ricko). … Lots going on in this Montclair High School football photo. The “44” is for a teammate who died a few days ago; not sure if any of the other decals are also memorial-related, or if they’re merit decals; and note the SNOB (school name on back). … Jen Muller reports that Bobby Abreu did the ceremonial “first kick” at a Red Bulls game on Saturday and wore a Red Bulls jesey for the occasion. … Justin Jarvis of Boston College has an eagle logo shaved into his head (with thanks to Dan Snider). … Attention Teebz: The inside story behind the Islanders’ fisherman logo is here, courtesy of a blogger who used to be the team’s PR rep.

 

249 comments to Monday Morning Uni Watch

  • Dave F. | October 20, 2008 at 8:01 am |

    Paul, you’ve got the wrong link for the Montclair photo.

    Man, I love those orange Bears jerseys. Almost as much as I love the Coyotes alts!

  • Greg | October 20, 2008 at 8:13 am |

    Congrats to the Touchdown Vulture!

  • Paul Lukas | October 20, 2008 at 8:22 am |

    [quote comment=”295589″]Paul, you’ve got the wrong link for the Montclair photo./quote]

    Now fixed.

  • KBrew | October 20, 2008 at 8:25 am |

    Paul,
    You of all people giving that advertising experiment known as the Red Bulls the exact kinda brand mention they paid for when they renamed Metrostars? For shame.

  • Mr. Met | October 20, 2008 at 8:28 am |

    [quote comment=”295576″][quote comment=”295572″]What was on Papi’s undershirt? it had something written right under the collar[/quote]

    It said “I played in the ALCS and all I got was a box of t-shirts shipped to Somalia?” in Spanish.[/quote]

    Funniest post from last night’s Rays victory.

  • Steve! | October 20, 2008 at 8:30 am |

    I imagine Luongo wears the white “C” when his team wears white…the blue when his team wears blue.

  • JTH | October 20, 2008 at 8:32 am |

    [quote comment=”295589″]
    Man, I love those orange Bears jerseys.[/quote]

    So does Lovie Smith: http://www.chicagobe...
    So expect to see them as long as he’s coaching the team.

  • John | October 20, 2008 at 8:35 am |

    The pix and video of the deconstruction of Shea Stadium left me unbelievably sad. It may have been a urine-soaked hellhole, but it was OUR urine-soaked hellhole. (Or pee-pee soaked heckhole, if you prefer)

  • Lwiedy | October 20, 2008 at 8:35 am |

    [quote comment=”295590″]Congrats to the Touchdown Vulture![/quote]

    Good one. As a “non-Bucs guy” in TB, I never drank the Alstott kool-aid. Real tough guy, real nice guy, average football player. Those first two attributes have made him deity around here.

  • MPowers1634 | October 20, 2008 at 8:36 am |

    I was one of the detractors of the Rays new unis before the season.

    Whether due to their success, or my warming to the simplicity as well as the Carolina accents, they look OK.

    They haven’t won the WS but the AL pennant is a great achievement after their years of futility, but when the Broncos ditched their Orange crush unis, they finally broke through into the winning column as well.

    The only team of recent memory to go the other way, has got to be the Rams, who won with their LA version uni, but change to the glossy finish unis the following year,

  • Paul Lukas | October 20, 2008 at 8:46 am |

    [quote comment=”295594″]I imagine Luongo wears the white “C” when his team wears white…the blue when his team wears blue.[/quote]

    That’s what I thought at first — but no:
    http://d.yimg.com/us...

    I think the real story is that the original blue-C mask has the “RBK” logo, and the new white-C verison has the Reebok wordmark, which reflects Reebok’s company-wide branding shift. So this was really just a sponsorship/branding adjustment — the change in the “C” was incidental.

  • MPowers1634 | October 20, 2008 at 8:47 am |

    [quote comment=”295597″][quote comment=”295590″]Congrats to the Touchdown Vulture![/quote]

    Good one. As a “non-Bucs guy” in TB, I never drank the Alstott kool-aid. Real tough guy, real nice guy, average football player. Those first two attributes have made him deity around here.[/quote]

    Chris Berman also helped solidify his rep as well with the “battering ram” sound effects whenever highlights of him played. For what it’s worth, Earnest Graham has done a pretty good job at FB the last few weeks.

    BTW, are the Bucs pewter helmets not some of the nicest in all of football?

    http://buccaneers.co...

  • MPowers1634 | October 20, 2008 at 8:51 am |

    More Bucs helmets:

    One reason to love the Bucs helmets: They match their pants beautifully, whih I imagine is not so easy to do.

    http://cache.daylife...

    Plus: Look at how RIDICULOUS, Chris Hovan’s sleeve, or lack thereof, looks!

  • MPowers1634 | October 20, 2008 at 8:59 am |

    [quote comment=”295593″][quote comment=”295576″][quote comment=”295572″]What was on Papi’s undershirt? it had something written right under the collar[/quote]

    It said “I played in the ALCS and all I got was a box of t-shirts shipped to Somalia?” in Spanish.[/quote]

    Funniest post from last night’s Rays victory.[/quote]

    Those are the same people who think that Jim Kelly and Fran Tarkenton are the greatest quarterbacks in football history!

  • Jim MI | October 20, 2008 at 9:00 am |

    [quote comment=”295600″][quote comment=”295594″]I imagine Luongo wears the white “C” when his team wears white…the blue when his team wears blue.[/quote]

    That’s what I thought at first — but no:
    http://d.yimg.com/us...

    I think the real story is that the original blue-C mask has the “RBK” logo, and the new white-C verison has the Reebok wordmark, which reflects Reebok’s company-wide branding shift. So this was really just a sponsorship/branding adjustment — the change in the “C” was incidental.[/quote]

    Agreed. Does look like the ‘blue’ mask and the ‘white’ masks are actually two different masks/paint jobs. With the new ‘Reebok’ mask, just looks like he switched it from blue to white.

  • Tim | October 20, 2008 at 9:01 am |

    [quote comment=”295602″]More Bucs helmets:

    One reason to love the Bucs helmets: They match their pants beautifully, whih I imagine is not so easy to do.

    http://cache.daylife...

    Plus: Look at how RIDICULOUS, Chris Hovan’s sleeve, or lack thereof, looks![/quote]

    Why the NFL fashion police don’t fine him week-in and week-out for that is beyond me. It’s not like he even has decent guns to show off.

  • Lwiedy | October 20, 2008 at 9:02 am |

    [quote comment=”295598″]I was one of the detractors of the Rays new unis before the season.

    Whether due to their success, or my warming to the simplicity as well as the Carolina accents, they look OK.

    They haven’t won the WS but the AL pennant is a great achievement after their years of futility, but when the Broncos ditched their Orange crush unis, they finally broke through into the winning column as well.

    The only team of recent memory to go the other way, has got to be the Rams, who won with their LA version uni, but change to the glossy finish unis the following year,[/quote]

    Obviously here at UW, we believe in the power of the uni but to borrow from Joe Garagiola the uni-connection here is “like blaming the Johnstown Flood on a leaky faucet”.

    To prioritize the contributing factors: Great drafts and trades, proper management and somewhere after, new unis.

    It’s not much different than those who claim that the disavowing of the “Devil” from the moniker found them favor from the Almighty and I’m pretty sure that’s not the case, either.

    I realize the blasphemous nature of my feelings, but I think most of the examples are, dare I say, coincidence?

    Pound away…

  • Jim MI | October 20, 2008 at 9:07 am |

    The PHX third is ‘okay’, like the logo, but intead of black I would prefer the tan/cream color that’s in the coyote….

    http://z.about.com/d...

  • Christopher Rogers | October 20, 2008 at 9:17 am |

    > …but check out the tape on Brad Johnson’s fingers. Never seen that on a QB before. Anyone know what that might be for?

    That’s the hand he uses to receive the ball from under center. From what I’ve read, Johnson is fastidious about his uniform and gear. And I’ve seen him use tape on his left hand at least since his time with Tampa Bay.

    Bonus: The extra “ring” on his ring finger may be a stand-in wedding band, as David Carr used to do.

    If anyone knows better/more, I’d like to know too!

  • Kevin M. | October 20, 2008 at 9:21 am |

    As a Rays fan I would like to thank the Mets for giving the team Scott Kazmir (cause that really wasn’t a fair trade Vickey Z for Kazmir). He won the All-Star game for the AL and now the Rays have home field. One thing that bothers me though is how do you have home field in the World Series but don’t have a signle weekend date?

  • Robert | October 20, 2008 at 9:24 am |

    On the Nationals’ blue batting practice jersey (in the first photo), why is the curly “W” so low? It is at ribcage level and looks very out of place.

    http://nats320.blogs...

  • adrian | October 20, 2008 at 9:24 am |

    check out the tape on Brad Johnson’s fingers. Never seen that on a QB before. Anyone know what that might be for?

    I know of someone else who does the same thing
    http://img.thesun.co...

    Brad must be hiding a blade.

  • Stuby | October 20, 2008 at 9:26 am |

    Mike and Mike (ESPN2) are displaying batting helmets for each World Series team on their desk. Double flappers, but even worse is that the Rays helmet is definitely not from this season – its black with a TB and a Devil Ray on it.

  • MPowers1634 | October 20, 2008 at 9:26 am |

    [quote comment=”295608″]> …but check out the tape on Brad Johnson’s fingers. Never seen that on a QB before. Anyone know what that might be for?

    That’s the hand he uses to receive the ball from under center. From what I’ve read, Johnson is fastidious about his uniform and gear. And I’ve seen him use tape on his left hand at least since his time with Tampa Bay.

    Bonus: The extra “ring” on his ring finger may be a stand-in wedding band, as David Carr used to do.

    If anyone knows better/more, I’d like to know too![/quote]

    That facemask of Johnson’s is also a relic…very few NFL and NCAA players wear that anymore. Chad Pennington was one of the last to sport that last year with the Jets:

    http://www.hollywood...

    http://assets.nydail...

    Now with the Fish:

    http://nbcsportsmedi...

    although, this guy, made the former mask famous with that team:

    http://www.profootba...

  • dm00n | October 20, 2008 at 9:27 am |

    For his first two home games, his jersey was misspelled. [So the typo in the retired jersey] was intentional.

    They look like game jerseys. First of all, the creamsicle is a Wilson, and the red one looks like it is dirty. Which would still make the type-o unintentional. Nice that they didn’t replace it with a throwback.

  • Rick | October 20, 2008 at 9:27 am |

    Brad Johnson’s fingers:
    It looks like he’s got the most distal finger joints taped, but it can’t do much in terms of support the way he’s done it.

  • dm00n | October 20, 2008 at 9:29 am |

    Johnson also looks like he wears a tape wedding band as part of the package.

  • leebier | October 20, 2008 at 9:31 am |

    Just a followup on the two players with the same name conversation that has been going on. (To be fair, I’ve only been half following it, so forgive me if this got mentioned in the comments somewhere.)

    The 1999 (and I think a couple other year) Rams had two players named Mike Jones. I recall reading an article in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch that said the Rams had to receive special permission from the League and union to put “Mike A. Jones” and “Mike D. Jones” on the uniforms since the NFL regulations only allowed for first names.

  • Joe Hilseberg | October 20, 2008 at 9:36 am |

    it’s really hard to tell, but the new Maryland basketball white jerseys have a turtle shell pattern on them

    http://www.jerseynam...

    I think I like it, but as a whole the new Under Armour uni’s are terrible.

  • Kevin | October 20, 2008 at 9:41 am |

    During the Packers/Colts game yesterday Ryan Grant was having some issue with his pants falling down during the first series in the game. He ran the ball on two straight plays and when he got tackled his crack was showing. He knew there was a problem but it didn’t appear he was wearing a belt when it happened from what I could tell.

  • Dustin | October 20, 2008 at 9:47 am |

    Did anyone get a good shot of the name(s) on the back of Dallas’ Roy Williams players? I didn’t get that game at home, but I did get the Vikings/Bears.

    Interesting NOB note: Kevin and Pat Williams, both feature defensive linemen for Minnesota do not have the first initial and are often on the field at the same time.

  • Oscar | October 20, 2008 at 9:52 am |

    [quote comment=”295612″]Mike and Mike (ESPN2) are displaying batting helmets for each World Series team on their desk. Double flappers, but even worse is that the Rays helmet is definitely not from this season – its black with a TB and a Devil Ray on it.[/quote]

    Par for the course. The World Wide Leader has routinely referenced the team as the “Devil Rays” in the “bottom line”/ticker throughout the year.

  • Duckstyle | October 20, 2008 at 9:54 am |

    Tang-fest? Must be the only one with his mind that far in the gutter. But yeah, the orange is terrible, but of course Illinois alumni seem to love it, or so my brother tells me when he’s wearing his replica. Shameful, black sheep, Bears fan.

  • Peter | October 20, 2008 at 9:54 am |

    …so lets say either (or both) Lions and Bungles go 0-16…isn’t it time to change their stripes then?

  • Lwiedy | October 20, 2008 at 9:55 am |

    I vaguely remember the discussion of multiple players wearing the same number in the NFL but now that it’s going on with the Skins (#37), I care about it now. Obviously it has to happen with one guy on the IR but the guy is still technically on the roster, seems a little strange to me.

    I liked the shot of Brad Johnson and enjoyed the comment about his meticulous uni-nature. When he was with the Skins, I really liked the full sleeves but hemmed edge. I own a 2000 home white jersey and had the sleeves cut that way, looks sweet. Not a huge fan of the elbow pads but love the full cage QB mask he always wears.

  • shaner5000 | October 20, 2008 at 9:55 am |

    Speaking of the Cowboys: Most of the attention regarding Dallas QB fingers was focused on Romo’s wittle boo-boo pinky, but check out the tape on Brad Johnson’s fingers. Never seen that on a QB before. Anyone know what that might be for?

    Brad is so old, he grew up playing with real pig bladder footballs. That tape is there to help him with these new-fangled footballs.

  • al | October 20, 2008 at 9:57 am |

    the bears, even in orange, cannot seem to get the correct spacing on their sleeve stripes.

    Orange: http://scores.espn.g...

    evidence is out there that they stuggle at this in both white and blues as well.

  • Justin in AR | October 20, 2008 at 10:01 am |

    [quote comment=”295618″]it’s really hard to tell, but the new Maryland basketball white jerseys have a turtle shell pattern on them

    http://www.jerseynam...

    I think I like it, but as a whole the new Under Armour uni’s are terrible.[/quote]

    I’ve always been a fan of Maryland’s unis if for no other reason than them being unique. Basketball wise, they are really clever with their look. Football on the other hand, there are some serious issues there. They like to black-out, but always wear a white helmet. They have really nice baseball uniforms, too.

  • Peter | October 20, 2008 at 10:05 am |

    Someone at my job just pointed this out:

    1976 Bucs 0-14 (orange)
    2007 Dolphins (Have orange in thier jersey) nearly 0-16 (finished 1-15)
    2008 Bengals 0-7 …could be 0-16 w/orange?

    I think the Lie_down Lions have a better chane of a win than thebengals

  • john in DC | October 20, 2008 at 10:09 am |

    [quote comment=”295604″][quote comment=”295600″][quote comment=”295594″]I imagine Luongo wears the white “C” when his team wears white…the blue when his team wears blue.[/quote]

    That’s what I thought at first — but no:
    http://d.yimg.com/us...

    I think the real story is that the original blue-C mask has the “RBK” logo, and the new white-C verison has the Reebok wordmark, which reflects Reebok’s company-wide branding shift. So this was really just a sponsorship/branding adjustment — the change in the “C” was incidental.[/quote]

    Agreed. Does look like the ‘blue’ mask and the ‘white’ masks are actually two different masks/paint jobs. With the new ‘Reebok’ mask, just looks like he switched it from blue to white.[/quote]

    I’m pretty sure the mask is an update. Two give-aways are the plaid on the new one being darker and the skates on the chin are placed differently.

  • Jim MI | October 20, 2008 at 10:13 am |

    [quote comment=”295629″][quote comment=”295604″][quote comment=”295600″][quote comment=”295594″]I imagine Luongo wears the white “C” when his team wears white…the blue when his team wears blue.[/quote]

    That’s what I thought at first — but no:
    http://d.yimg.com/us...

    I think the real story is that the original blue-C mask has the “RBK” logo, and the new white-C verison has the Reebok wordmark, which reflects Reebok’s company-wide branding shift. So this was really just a sponsorship/branding adjustment — the change in the “C” was incidental.[/quote]

    Agreed. Does look like the ‘blue’ mask and the ‘white’ masks are actually two different masks/paint jobs. With the new ‘Reebok’ mask, just looks like he switched it from blue to white.[/quote]

    I’m pretty sure the mask is an update. Two give-aways are the plaid on the new one being darker and the skates on the chin are placed differently.[/quote]

    The skates being placed differently was the reason I thought they were two different masks…

  • Mike | October 20, 2008 at 10:14 am |

    The Pedro porthole is the first, and last, joke on Seinfeld. It’s not some incidental shirt, it’s a running joke.

    JERRY: Seems to me, that button is in the worst possible spot. [talking about George’s shirt] The second button literally makes or breaks the shirt, look at it: it’s too high! It’s in no-man’s-land, you look like you live with your mother.

  • JTH | October 20, 2008 at 10:18 am |

    [quote comment=”295626″]the bears, even in orange, cannot seem to get the correct spacing on their sleeve stripes.

    Orange: http://scores.espn.g...

    evidence is out there that they stuggle at this in both white and blues as well.[/quote]
    That striping drives me nuts. They definitely have issues with the spacing on the other two jerseys, but the orange is by far the worst. Or at least it appears that way.

    Anyway, this is yet another reason to appreciate Kyle Orton.

  • JTH | October 20, 2008 at 10:22 am |

    [quote comment=”295620″]Did anyone get a good shot of the name(s) on the back of Dallas’ Roy Williams players? I didn’t get that game at home, but I did get the Vikings/Bears.

    Interesting NOB note: Kevin and Pat Williams, both feature defensive linemen for Minnesota do not have the first initial and are often on the field at the same time.[/quote]
    Fox showed the two of them standing next to each other on the sidline with nameplates clearly visible. I recorded the game, so if I get the chance, I’ll get a screen grab tonight and post it.

  • fluxcap | October 20, 2008 at 10:24 am |

    [quote comment=”295612″]Mike and Mike (ESPN2) are displaying batting helmets for each World Series team on their desk. Double flappers, but even worse is that the Rays helmet is definitely not from this season – its black with a TB and a Devil Ray on it.[/quote]

    The duo addressed that early on this morning. They said they didn’t have any double flap helmets with the new logo, but hoped they would have one tomorrow to display through the series

  • Stuby | October 20, 2008 at 10:27 am |

    Someone pointed out last night that the World Series would be softball-jersey free. Taking it a step further, all four teams that lost in the Division Series, I believe, wore their softball jerseys at least once during the series (correct me if I’m wrong on that).

    Even better, no solid colored alts in either LCS. Its been a good postseason, aesthetically.

  • MPowers1634 | October 20, 2008 at 10:28 am |

    [quote comment=”295631″]The Pedro porthole is the first, and last, joke on Seinfeld. It’s not some incidental shirt, it’s a running joke.

    JERRY: Seems to me, that button is in the worst possible spot. [talking about George’s shirt] The second button literally makes or breaks the shirt, look at it: it’s too high! It’s in no-man’s-land, you look like you live with your mother.[/quote]

    It’s still better than “pretending” to be an architect, marine biologist or the honorable ARthur Vandalay.

    http://upload.wikime...

  • Brian Erni | October 20, 2008 at 10:28 am |

    As a Rays fan I would like to thank the Mets for giving the team Scott Kazmir (cause that really wasn’t a fair trade Vickey Z for Kazmir). He won the All-Star game for the AL and now the Rays have home field. One thing that bothers me though is how do you have home field in the World Series but don’t have a signle weekend date?

    thanks for the reminder, man. i mean, we did get bartolame fortunado, too. so that completely evens it out ::dripping with sarcasm::

    i was able to take on the rays as my AL team though since my parents just moved down there though, so scotty isn’t completely dead to me. jim duquette is however. you can thank ratings for the lack of a weekend date, too. fox hated starting the series on a saturday and figured once fans got a chance to sit down and catch up with it in the middle of the week, the series could be close to over.

    must say, i’ve been sitting all playoffs watching wondering what direction the rays will go in for a probable third this season. i’m hoping powder blue instead of navy. and on an unrelated baseball note, LOVE chris botta’s blog about the fishsticks jersey and kudos to the coyots for a sharp third!

  • Mike Engle | October 20, 2008 at 10:28 am |

    [quote comment=”295623″]…so lets say either (or both) Lions and Bungles go 0-16…isn’t it time to change their stripes then?[/quote]
    Yes. Cincinnati: Get a jersey where individual alterations don’t make the team look totally mismatched. Detroit: Ditch the Millen black, yesterday.
    As for the Bears’ orange, I give it a marginal thumbs-up. They will never quite look like the Monsters of the Midway in orange, but considering Papa Bear Halas gave the Bears U Illinois (his alma mater) colors, the unique number font is still present, and the orange-ness gives a pseudo-throwback feel, the Bears’ orange is hardly the worst alternate look out there.

  • Jim MI | October 20, 2008 at 10:32 am |

    [quote comment=”295636″][quote comment=”295631″]The Pedro porthole is the first, and last, joke on Seinfeld. It’s not some incidental shirt, it’s a running joke.

    JERRY: Seems to me, that button is in the worst possible spot. [talking about George’s shirt] The second button literally makes or breaks the shirt, look at it: it’s too high! It’s in no-man’s-land, you look like you live with your mother.[/quote]

    It’s still better than “pretending” to be an architect, marine biologist or the honorable ARthur Vandalay.

    http://upload.wikime...

    Hole in one……

  • Mike Engle | October 20, 2008 at 10:34 am |

    [quote comment=”295635″]Someone pointed out last night that the World Series would be softball-jersey free. Taking it a step further, all four teams that lost in the Division Series, I believe, wore their softball jerseys at least once during the series (correct me if I’m wrong on that).

    Even better, no solid colored alts in either LCS. Its been a good postseason, aesthetically.[/quote]
    I’ll take a bow for that one.

  • MPowers1634 | October 20, 2008 at 10:34 am |

    [quote comment=”295639″][quote comment=”295636″][quote comment=”295631″]The Pedro porthole is the first, and last, joke on Seinfeld. It’s not some incidental shirt, it’s a running joke.

    JERRY: Seems to me, that button is in the worst possible spot. [talking about George’s shirt] The second button literally makes or breaks the shirt, look at it: it’s too high! It’s in no-man’s-land, you look like you live with your mother.[/quote]

    It’s still better than “pretending” to be an architect, marine biologist or the honorable ARthur Vandalay.

    http://upload.wikime...

    Hole in one……[/quote]

    “The sea was angry that day, my friends…
    Like an old man trying to return soup in a deli.”

    “And I reached my hand into the blowhole of the great fish,”

    “Mammal,”

    “Whatever!”

  • Beardface | October 20, 2008 at 10:38 am |

    [quote comment=”295598″]I was one of the detractors of the Rays new unis before the season.

    Whether due to their success, or my warming to the simplicity as well as the Carolina accents, they look OK.

    They haven’t won the WS but the AL pennant is a great achievement after their years of futility, but when the Broncos ditched their Orange crush unis, they finally broke through into the winning column as well.

    The only team of recent memory to go the other way, has got to be the Rams, who won with their LA version uni, but change to the glossy finish unis the following year,[/quote]
    You could say the same for the Phillies and their glorious afternoon throwback jerseys.

    I have to say, with some of the World Series in recent years, it will be nice to see 2 teams with classic looks going at it. Granted, the Rays could tone it down a little with their wordmark and make it a little smaller, but between them and the Phillies, its pretty nice. Actually, this has been a relatively ugly-uni free postseason for baseball. I can’t recall one set of unis this postseason that you could legitimately call hideous. Pretty impressive, really

  • MPowers1634 | October 20, 2008 at 10:38 am |

    LarenR posted this last night:

    I think we’ve talked about the A-11 offense before, but the NY Times had an interesting angle. I know there are some HS refs out there. Have any of you seen it? Is it impossible to call?

    On a uni-related note: check out the socks on Piedmont. Too bad they’re purple and will be disavowed by PL.

    I have NEVER seen nor heard of this offense. However, the first thing a Line Judge or Head linesman looks for when the offense(A) comes to the line of scrimmage is that there are:

    1. At least 7 men on the LOS
    or
    2. No more than 4 players behind the LOS
    or
    3. 5 players within the “Tackle Box” numbered 50-79. This makes them inelible to receive as well as if they are covered up by an outside receiver.

    Also, Tyrod Taylor of VaTech wore the Revolution Speed last night:

    http://cache4.asset-

    http://cache2.asset-

    http://cache2.asset-

    And count me in as LOVING all of the VaTech uni combos.

    Also…for the first time EVER, I observed TWO Schutt Air XP helmets on the BC team last night.
    Never, ever have I seen anything other than a Riddell, except for this guy:

    http://farm3.static….

  • Happy Joe | October 20, 2008 at 10:38 am |

    [quote comment=”295598″]I was one of the detractors of the Rays new unis before the season.

    Whether due to their success, or my warming to the simplicity as well as the Carolina accents, they look OK.

    They haven’t won the WS but the AL pennant is a great achievement after their years of futility, but when the Broncos ditched their Orange crush unis, they finally broke through into the winning column as well.

    The only team of recent memory to go the other way, has got to be the Rams, who won with their LA version uni, but change to the glossy finish unis the following year,[/quote]

    Going back a bit, I think the Houston Rockets changed unis after their back to back titles in the mid 90s.

  • MPowers1634 | October 20, 2008 at 10:40 am |

    My last post was a repost from yesterday!I hope it won’t get ignoed AGAIN!

  • Shane | October 20, 2008 at 10:42 am |

    [quote comment=”295607″]The PHX third is ‘okay'[/quote]

    That’s the word I was trying to think of.

  • Beardface | October 20, 2008 at 10:44 am |

    [quote comment=”295643″]Also, Tyrod Taylor of VaTech wore the Revolution Speed last night:

    http://cache4.asset-

    http://cache2.asset-

    http://cache2.asset-

    And count me in as LOVING all of the VaTech uni combos.[/quote]
    Count me out in loving the new white unis. Blah, we’ve worn them twice… Guess which 2 games this year we’ve lost?

    Those jerseys are some serious bad NIKE mojo. We should go to the throwbacks permanently. Not only do we look good in them, but we play well in them, too.

  • Frank in Gville | October 20, 2008 at 10:46 am |

    [quote comment=”295618″]it’s really hard to tell, but the new Maryland basketball white jerseys have a turtle shell pattern on them

    http://www.jerseynam...

    I think I like it, but as a whole the new Under Armour uni’s are terrible.[/quote]

    The Gators do a similar thing with their jerseys having the Gator print. Like the new Terp jerseys I think it adds a bit extra to the jersey without being too obnoxious. No pics, on a public compy, but i am sure someone could find it easily.

  • Dond | October 20, 2008 at 10:47 am |

    [quote comment=”295628″]Someone at my job just pointed this out:

    1976 Bucs 0-14 (orange)
    2007 Dolphins (Have orange in thier jersey) nearly 0-16 (finished 1-15)
    2008 Bengals 0-7 …could be 0-16 w/orange?

    I think the Lie_down Lions have a better chane of a win than thebengals[/quote]

    Maybe someone should point out to your friend those same Dolphins with orange in their jersey finished 17-0 in 1972.

  • BGJ | October 20, 2008 at 10:50 am |

    Do you think the Indians inter-changeable velcro logo hat featured in last week’s Ticker has anything to do with this Indian’s fan??

    http://www.uniwatchb...

  • MPowers1634 | October 20, 2008 at 10:52 am |

    or ignored….Anyway, I found a very appropriate pic:

    http://static.nfl.co...

    Because of:

    1. The Alstott tribute
    2. Seahawks at Bucs
    3. Creamsicle unis

  • MPowers1634 | October 20, 2008 at 10:55 am |

    [quote comment=”295648″][quote comment=”295618″]it’s really hard to tell, but the new Maryland basketball white jerseys have a turtle shell pattern on them

    http://www.jerseynam...

    I think I like it, but as a whole the new Under Armour uni’s are terrible.[/quote]

    The Gators do a similar thing with their jerseys having the Gator print. Like the new Terp jerseys I think it adds a bit extra to the jersey without being too obnoxious. No pics, on a public compy, but i am sure someone could find it easily.[/quote]

    http://sports.espn.g...

    http://farm1.static....

    http://systemofdress...

  • Mike Engle | October 20, 2008 at 10:57 am |

    [quote comment=”295644″][quote comment=”295598″]I was one of the detractors of the Rays new unis before the season.

    Whether due to their success, or my warming to the simplicity as well as the Carolina accents, they look OK.

    They haven’t won the WS but the AL pennant is a great achievement after their years of futility, but when the Broncos ditched their Orange crush unis, they finally broke through into the winning column as well.

    The only team of recent memory to go the other way, has got to be the Rams, who won with their LA version uni, but change to the glossy finish unis the following year,[/quote]

    Going back a bit, I think the Houston Rockets changed unis after their back to back titles in the mid 90s.[/quote]
    Pittsburgh Penguins went away from the skating penguin after back-to-back Cups.
    Anaheim Ducks traded the Mighty modifier for a Cup.
    Minnesota Twins kicked off their M hats with a 1987 World Series.

  • MPowers1634 | October 20, 2008 at 11:02 am |

    [quote comment=”295651″]or ignored….Anyway, I found a very appropriate pic:

    http://static.nfl.co...

    Because of:

    1. The Alstott tribute
    2. Seahawks at Bucs
    3. Creamsicle unis[/quote]

    Let’s try that again:

    http://i256.photobuc...

  • MPowers1634 | October 20, 2008 at 11:05 am |

    [quote comment=\”295655\”][quote comment=\”295651\”]or ignored….Anyway, I found a very appropriate pic:

    http://static.nfl.co...

    Because of:

    1. The Alstott tribute
    2. Seahawks at Bucs
    3. Creamsicle unis[/quote]

    Let\’s try that again:

    http://i256.photobuc...

    http://i256.photobuc...

    http://images.google...

    I’m really sorry, UWers, IDK what’s up!

  • Beardface | October 20, 2008 at 11:07 am |

    [quote comment=”295654″][quote comment=”295644″][quote comment=”295598″]I was one of the detractors of the Rays new unis before the season.

    Whether due to their success, or my warming to the simplicity as well as the Carolina accents, they look OK.

    They haven’t won the WS but the AL pennant is a great achievement after their years of futility, but when the Broncos ditched their Orange crush unis, they finally broke through into the winning column as well.

    The only team of recent memory to go the other way, has got to be the Rams, who won with their LA version uni, but change to the glossy finish unis the following year,[/quote]

    Going back a bit, I think the Houston Rockets changed unis after their back to back titles in the mid 90s.[/quote]
    Pittsburgh Penguins went away from the skating penguin after back-to-back Cups.
    Anaheim Ducks traded the Mighty modifier for a Cup.
    Minnesota Twins kicked off their M hats with a 1987 World Series.[/quote]
    Lest we forget the most drastic form of this…

    Quebec Nordiques leave for Denver, become the Colorado Avalanche, and win their first Stanley Cup in franchise history that same season.

    Dallas Stars introduced the star-themed jersey the year after they won the Cup.

  • Bryan Redemske | October 20, 2008 at 11:12 am |

    [quote comment=”295658″][quote comment=”295654″][quote comment=”295644″][quote comment=”295598″]I was one of the detractors of the Rays new unis before the season.

    Whether due to their success, or my warming to the simplicity as well as the Carolina accents, they look OK.

    They haven’t won the WS but the AL pennant is a great achievement after their years of futility, but when the Broncos ditched their Orange crush unis, they finally broke through into the winning column as well.

    The only team of recent memory to go the other way, has got to be the Rams, who won with their LA version uni, but change to the glossy finish unis the following year,[/quote]

    Going back a bit, I think the Houston Rockets changed unis after their back to back titles in the mid 90s.[/quote]
    Pittsburgh Penguins went away from the skating penguin after back-to-back Cups.
    Anaheim Ducks traded the Mighty modifier for a Cup.
    Minnesota Twins kicked off their M hats with a 1987 World Series.[/quote]
    Lest we forget the most drastic form of this…

    Quebec Nordiques leave for Denver, become the Colorado Avalanche, and win their first Stanley Cup in franchise history that same season.

    Dallas Stars introduced the star-themed jersey the year after they won the Cup.[/quote]

    Actually, the Stars wore the green star-themed jersey as an alternate the year they won the Cup. And, in fact, they were wearing it when they won the Cup.

  • Johnny F. | October 20, 2008 at 11:16 am |

    Bobby Abreu’s pants are straight from 1977. Why would he do that!!? He looks ridiculous.

  • Beardface | October 20, 2008 at 11:17 am |

    [quote comment=”295659″][quote comment=”295658″][quote comment=”295654″][quote comment=”295644″][quote comment=”295598″]I was one of the detractors of the Rays new unis before the season.

    Whether due to their success, or my warming to the simplicity as well as the Carolina accents, they look OK.

    They haven’t won the WS but the AL pennant is a great achievement after their years of futility, but when the Broncos ditched their Orange crush unis, they finally broke through into the winning column as well.

    The only team of recent memory to go the other way, has got to be the Rams, who won with their LA version uni, but change to the glossy finish unis the following year,[/quote]

    Going back a bit, I think the Houston Rockets changed unis after their back to back titles in the mid 90s.[/quote]
    Pittsburgh Penguins went away from the skating penguin after back-to-back Cups.
    Anaheim Ducks traded the Mighty modifier for a Cup.
    Minnesota Twins kicked off their M hats with a 1987 World Series.[/quote]
    Lest we forget the most drastic form of this…

    Quebec Nordiques leave for Denver, become the Colorado Avalanche, and win their first Stanley Cup in franchise history that same season.

    Dallas Stars introduced the star-themed jersey the year after they won the Cup.[/quote]

    Actually, the Stars wore the green star-themed jersey as an alternate the year they won the Cup. And, in fact, they were wearing it when they won the Cup.[/quote]
    It couldn’t have been the alternate that year, unless it began the season as an alternate.

    The NHL prohibits teams from wearing alternate jerseys in the playoffs. Though, I’m not sure if that rule has been around forever, or if thats something that was just recent.

    You’re right, though. They were wearing that jersey when Hull scored. However, they did have the traditional whites on, though they did move to the white version of the star jersey the following season.

  • Luke | October 20, 2008 at 11:32 am |

    I can’t understand why the Nationals are going away from the interlocking “DC” logo. I understand the script “W” is about the so-called tradition of baseball in Washington, but I think the “DC” looks a million times better. Anyone agree?

  • Ronnie Poore | October 20, 2008 at 11:38 am |

    [quote comment=”295641″][quote comment=”295639″][quote comment=”295636″][quote comment=”295631″]The Pedro porthole is the first, and last, joke on Seinfeld. It’s not some incidental shirt, it’s a running joke.

    JERRY: Seems to me, that button is in the worst possible spot. [talking about George’s shirt] The second button literally makes or breaks the shirt, look at it: it’s too high! It’s in no-man’s-land, you look like you live with your mother.[/quote]

    It’s still better than “pretending” to be an architect, marine biologist or the honorable ARthur Vandalay.

    http://upload.wikime...

    Hole in one……[/quote]

    “The sea was angry that day, my friends…
    Like an old man trying to return soup in a deli.”

    “And I reached my hand into the blowhole of the great fish,”

    “Mammal,”

    “Whatever!”[/quote]

    “is that a Titleist”?

  • Stuby | October 20, 2008 at 11:44 am |

    [quote comment=”295640″][quote comment=”295635″]Someone pointed out last night that the World Series would be softball-jersey free. Taking it a step further, all four teams that lost in the Division Series, I believe, wore their softball jerseys at least once during the series (correct me if I’m wrong on that).

    Even better, no solid colored alts in either LCS. Its been a good postseason, aesthetically.[/quote]
    I’ll take a bow for that one.[/quote]
    Sorry, Mike, for not giving credit where credit was due…

  • Paul Lukas | October 20, 2008 at 11:50 am |

    [quote comment=”295663″][quote comment=”295641″][quote comment=”295639″][quote comment=”295636″][quote comment=”295631″]The Pedro porthole is the first, and last, joke on Seinfeld. It’s not some incidental shirt, it’s a running joke.

    JERRY: Seems to me, that button is in the worst possible spot. [talking about George’s shirt] The second button literally makes or breaks the shirt, look at it: it’s too high! It’s in no-man’s-land, you look like you live with your mother.[/quote]

    It’s still better than “pretending” to be an architect, marine biologist or the honorable ARthur Vandalay.

    http://upload.wikime...

    Hole in one……[/quote]

    “The sea was angry that day, my friends…
    Like an old man trying to return soup in a deli.”

    “And I reached my hand into the blowhole of the great fish,”

    “Mammal,”

    “Whatever!”[/quote]

    “is that a Titleist”?[/quote]

    For the umpteenth time: Simply quoting Seinfeld (or any other TV show or movie) is not a uni-related comment. It’s NOT EVEN A COMMENT. It’s just sitting around and showing that you have a certain fluency with pop culture — a fluency that almost everyone else also has. Please resist the urge and stick to constructive posts. Thanks.

  • Eric Romain | October 20, 2008 at 11:51 am |

    hmm, i didn’t even realize Phoenix Coyotes had black as a team color…

  • MPowers1634 | October 20, 2008 at 11:53 am |

    [quote comment=”295663″][quote comment=”295641″][quote comment=”295639″][quote comment=”295636″][quote comment=”295631″]The Pedro porthole is the first, and last, joke on Seinfeld. It’s not some incidental shirt, it’s a running joke.

    JERRY: Seems to me, that button is in the worst possible spot. [talking about George’s shirt] The second button literally makes or breaks the shirt, look at it: it’s too high! It’s in no-man’s-land, you look like you live with your mother.[/quote]

    It’s still better than “pretending” to be an architect, marine biologist or the honorable ARthur Vandalay.

    http://upload.wikime...

    Hole in one……[/quote]

    “The sea was angry that day, my friends…
    Like an old man trying to return soup in a deli.”

    “And I reached my hand into the blowhole of the great fish,”

    “Mammal,”

    “Whatever!”[/quote]

    “is that a Titleist”?[/quote]

    In order to make this somewhat sports and uni-related:

    “What’s the deal with Golf Balls?”

    Seriously, If someone I knew was smacking Titleists into the Ocean, especially ProV1x’s, I’d smack them silly! Those things are EXPENSIVE!

    http://www.edwinwatt...

  • MPowers1634 | October 20, 2008 at 11:55 am |

    Sorry Paul and UW,

    It’s just so hard to resist those softballs!

  • Bryan Redemske | October 20, 2008 at 11:56 am |

    [quote comment=”295661″][quote comment=”295659″][quote comment=”295658″][quote comment=”295654″][quote comment=”295644″][quote comment=”295598″]I was one of the detractors of the Rays new unis before the season.

    Whether due to their success, or my warming to the simplicity as well as the Carolina accents, they look OK.

    They haven’t won the WS but the AL pennant is a great achievement after their years of futility, but when the Broncos ditched their Orange crush unis, they finally broke through into the winning column as well.

    The only team of recent memory to go the other way, has got to be the Rams, who won with their LA version uni, but change to the glossy finish unis the following year,[/quote]

    Going back a bit, I think the Houston Rockets changed unis after their back to back titles in the mid 90s.[/quote]
    Pittsburgh Penguins went away from the skating penguin after back-to-back Cups.
    Anaheim Ducks traded the Mighty modifier for a Cup.
    Minnesota Twins kicked off their M hats with a 1987 World Series.[/quote]
    Lest we forget the most drastic form of this…

    Quebec Nordiques leave for Denver, become the Colorado Avalanche, and win their first Stanley Cup in franchise history that same season.

    Dallas Stars introduced the star-themed jersey the year after they won the Cup.[/quote]

    Actually, the Stars wore the green star-themed jersey as an alternate the year they won the Cup. And, in fact, they were wearing it when they won the Cup.[/quote]
    It couldn’t have been the alternate that year, unless it began the season as an alternate.

    The NHL prohibits teams from wearing alternate jerseys in the playoffs. Though, I’m not sure if that rule has been around forever, or if thats something that was just recent.

    You’re right, though. They were wearing that jersey when Hull scored. However, they did have the traditional whites on, though they did move to the white version of the star jersey the following season.[/quote]

    The green was the alt that year. All year. I watched a lot of Stars hockey that season.

  • dm00n | October 20, 2008 at 11:58 am |

    Paul on Oct 7:

    “I visited the tour bus at the Rose Bowl on Saturday and was excited to see that the exhibit included David Putty’s famous Devils jersey from the ‘face painter’ episode” (and yes, we all know you can quote chapter and verse from that episode and many others, but please don’t, thanks).

  • Jen | October 20, 2008 at 12:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”295660″]Bobby Abreu’s pants are straight from 1977. Why would he do that!!? He looks ridiculous.[/quote]

    They look even worse from the front.

  • Juan Grande | October 20, 2008 at 12:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”295602″]More Bucs helmets:

    One reason to love the Bucs helmets: They match their pants beautifully, whih I imagine is not so easy to do.

    http://cache.daylife...

    Plus: Look at how RIDICULOUS, Chris Hovan’s sleeve, or lack thereof, looks![/quote]

    Why hasn’t the NFL uniform nazis come down on Hovan? He looks like he’s wearing a tanktop!

  • chance | October 20, 2008 at 12:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”295656″]
    The Rays have never had a season with a total attendance of less than a million. That’s not bad for a team with a high-water mark of 70 wins in its first decade.[/quote]

    In this environment, it’s more than “not bad,” it’s flat-out awful. You have to look at the number in context, against what the rest of the majors are doing.

    The Rays constantly fight for the lowest attendance in the majors. Here’s their ranking for the last eight years (out of 30 teams):

    2001: 29th
    2002: 28th
    2003: 29th
    2004: 29th
    2005: 30th
    2006: 29th
    2007: 29th
    2008: 26th

    There’s just no way to spin this as anything less than pathetic attendance.

    We can repeat the long list of excuses for why the fans stay away in droves, but that doesn’t change the numbers.

  • Jet | October 20, 2008 at 12:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”295662″]I can’t understand why the Nationals are going away from the interlocking “DC” logo. I understand the script “W” is about the so-called tradition of baseball in Washington, but I think the “DC” looks a million times better. Anyone agree?[/quote]

    I think the “DC” looks real sharp, but the “W” isn’t awful. I’d still rather they kept DC as their cap logo.

    That Phoenix Coyotes jersey is awful. Good grief, can a team just design a traditional jersey and stick with it?!?!

    -Jet

  • Giancarlo | October 20, 2008 at 12:12 pm |

    The blue that the Rays wear seems a bit unusual (in a good way). It’s not royal, but not quite navy. Could it be the same shade the ’69 White Sox wore? The uni that we argued about a while back?

  • Mark K | October 20, 2008 at 12:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”295661″]
    The NHL prohibits teams from wearing alternate jerseys in the playoffs. Though, I’m not sure if that rule has been around forever, or if thats something that was just recent.

    You’re right, though. They were wearing that jersey when Hull scored. However, they did have the traditional whites on, though they did move to the white version of the star jersey the following season.[/quote]

    Not true. Buffalo wore their thirds a couple years ago in the playoffs instead of the slug.

    Oh and that Hull thing wasn’t a goal.

  • MPowers1634 | October 20, 2008 at 12:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”295672″][quote comment=”295602″]More Bucs helmets:

    One reason to love the Bucs helmets: They match their pants beautifully, whih I imagine is not so easy to do.

    http://cache.daylife...

    Plus: Look at how RIDICULOUS, Chris Hovan’s sleeve, or lack thereof, looks![/quote]

    Why hasn’t the NFL uniform nazis come down on Hovan? He looks like he’s wearing a tanktop![/quote]

    To be fair, that pic isn’t from this season.It’s from 12.17.2006.

    1. Jones is still a Bear.
    2. Look who’s still the QB in the background.

  • dm00n | October 20, 2008 at 12:15 pm |

    Apparently dressing William Penn up in sports gear was the “Phillies Curse.”

  • Ricko | October 20, 2008 at 12:15 pm |

    re: New Rays units and affect on team.

    It’s like in THE LONGEST YARD (either version). When a team is on the verge of finally getting it all together, new unis can sometimes be the final thing to top it off.

    I know when the Twins unveiled the pins in ’87, after sansabelts, powder blues and red hats that didn’t match anything, I told my then-wife, “They’re gonna win the whole thing…or least make a hell of a run at it. New unis on a good young team, unis that make them feel like winners, can be a much bigger deal than people realize. When they look at each other now, they’ll see big league ballplayers.” (and don’t nitpick at that by saying, “Duh, of course they’re big league ballplayers”; you know what I mean).

    As I’ve mentioned here before, I thought the same thing when I first saw those new Rays unis on a magazine cover at an airport newsstand back in March.

    And damned if it hasn’t happened again.

    —Ricko

  • Morgan Doninger | October 20, 2008 at 12:18 pm |

    The Devils have called up Pierre-Luc Letourneau-Leblond to replace the injured Bobby Holik. I know the NOB will most likely be “Leblond” but one can dream.

  • Beardface | October 20, 2008 at 12:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”295678″]Apparently dressing William Penn up in sports gear was the “Phillies Curse.”[/quote]
    Thats not the curse. The curse started when they decided to ignore previous unwritten rules and started building skycrapers that were taller than the William Penn statue.

    As a Phillies fan, I pray that curse ends this month… (I mean, the Soul won, so technically thats a championship… right?)

  • Stuby | October 20, 2008 at 12:19 pm |

    There was entirely too much navy on the field for the Bills-Chargers game yesterday. The highlights were hard to follow…

    http://scores.espn.g...

    The NFL needs to institute a “both teams can’t wear navy/black pants, especially if one of those team is going monochrome” rule.

  • ChrisSh | October 20, 2008 at 12:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”295660″]Bobby Abreu’s pants are straight from 1977. Why would he do that!!? He looks ridiculous.[/quote]

    I showed some of my buddies that picture and all agreed that someone’s been shopping in the women’s section…

  • Kevin M. | October 20, 2008 at 12:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”295675″]The blue that the Rays wear seems a bit unusual (in a good way). It’s not royal, but not quite navy. Could it be the same shade the ’69 White Sox wore? The uni that we argued about a while back?[/quote]

    I assume you are talking baout the light blue color? It is offically called Columbia Blue (from Columbia Uni.)

  • Patrick | October 20, 2008 at 12:25 pm |

    I can’t find a picture of it, but during the Rams/Cowboys game yesterday, Steven Jackson had his jersey torn vertically from the neckline almost all the way down, right between the numbers. He had to sit out 2-3 plays while he changed jerseys.

  • Mark K | October 20, 2008 at 12:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”295645″]My last post was a repost from yesterday!I hope it won’t get ignoed AGAIN![/quote]

    I ref both college and high school. I saw that post yesterday but have never seen the offense attempted. We talked a lot about it before the season, though.

    I wouldn’t be surprised to see a rule change since it seems to go against the original intent of the numbering exception.

  • Giancarlo | October 20, 2008 at 12:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”295684″]I assume you are talking baout the light blue color? It is offically called Columbia Blue (from Columbia Uni.)[/quote]
    No, I mean the darker blue.

  • Kevin M. | October 20, 2008 at 12:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”295687″][quote comment=”295684″]I assume you are talking baout the light blue color? It is offically called Columbia Blue (from Columbia Uni.)[/quote]
    No, I mean the darker blue.[/quote]

    That’s what I get for assuming. Their offical colors are supposed to be Navy Blue, Columbia Blue, White and Gold. Sternberg loves blue as a color. Everything I have seen with the dark blue it is navy in color.

  • Giancarlo | October 20, 2008 at 12:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”295688″]
    That’s what I get for assuming. Their offical colors are supposed to be Navy Blue, Columbia Blue, White and Gold. Sternberg loves blue as a color. Everything I have seen with the dark blue it is navy in color.[/quote]
    Fair enough, it just strikes me as markedly lighter than the Red Sox’ navy, or the navy most teams wear. I suppose there is a range of navies that this falls within.

  • Patrick | October 20, 2008 at 12:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”295682″]There was entirely too much navy on the field for the Bills-Chargers game yesterday. The highlights were hard to follow…

    http://scores.espn.g...

    The NFL needs to institute a “both teams can’t wear navy/black pants, especially if one of those team is going monochrome” rule.[/quote]

    Agreed.

    Both teams wore their ugliest possible combinations for that game, which is even more of a crime because Buffalo’s throwbacks and the Chargers pre-2007 powder blues are two of the nicest looking football uniforms you’ll ever see…and yet these boneheaded organizations sit on them in favor of all that navy blue dreck.

  • chance | October 20, 2008 at 12:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”295688″][quote comment=”295687″][quote comment=”295684″]I assume you are talking baout the light blue color? It is offically called Columbia Blue (from Columbia Uni.)[/quote]
    No, I mean the darker blue.[/quote]

    That’s what I get for assuming. Their offical colors are supposed to be Navy Blue, Columbia Blue, White and Gold. Sternberg loves blue as a color. Everything I have seen with the dark blue it is navy in color.[/quote]

    IIRC, there are two kinds of navy worn by MLB clubs – the midnight navy favored by the Yankees and Red Sox, and the lighter navy worn by the Brewers and the Rays.

    So it is navy, but not the Yankees’ navy.

  • Robert | October 20, 2008 at 12:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”295690″][quote comment=”295682″]There was entirely too much navy on the field for the Bills-Chargers game yesterday. The highlights were hard to follow…

    http://scores.espn.g...

    The NFL needs to institute a “both teams can’t wear navy/black pants, especially if one of those team is going monochrome” rule.[/quote]

    Agreed.

    Both teams wore their ugliest possible combinations for that game, which is even more of a crime because Buffalo’s throwbacks and the Chargers pre-2007 powder blues are two of the nicest looking football uniforms you’ll ever see…and yet these boneheaded organizations sit on them in favor of all that navy blue dreck.[/quote]

    Imagine how awesome that game would’ve looked with the Bills in their throwbacks and the Chargers in all white.

  • Ricko | October 20, 2008 at 12:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”295691″][quote comment=”295688″][quote comment=”295687″][quote comment=”295684″]I assume you are talking baout the light blue color? It is offically called Columbia Blue (from Columbia Uni.)[/quote]
    No, I mean the darker blue.[/quote]

    That’s what I get for assuming. Their offical colors are supposed to be Navy Blue, Columbia Blue, White and Gold. Sternberg loves blue as a color. Everything I have seen with the dark blue it is navy in color.[/quote]

    IIRC, there are two kinds of navy worn by MLB clubs – the midnight navy favored by the Yankees and Red Sox, and the lighter navy worn by the Brewers and the Rays.

    So it is navy, but not the Yankees’ navy.[/quote]

    I also think the Twins wear the darker and Indians the lighter. When they’re playing each other the blues sure look different.

    (and, yeah, that might explain the debate about the White Sox ’69 and ’70 unis. They may have gone to the lighter navy in ’70, and it confused me cuz up until that time navy pretty much was, well, navy).

    It would be interesting to know when teams started PMS-matching as opposed to buying standard, catalog-issue colors: Navy, Royal, Scarlet, Orange, Brown, Maroon…etc., etc. During my years of uni watching (lower case version) I assumed was standard issue stuff. Was only things like the varying blues of Chargers in mid-to-late 60s that made me first wonder about custom colors, especially in shades of blue.

    —Ricko

  • Robert | October 20, 2008 at 1:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”295596″]The pix and video of the deconstruction of Shea Stadium left me unbelievably sad. It may have been a urine-soaked hellhole, but it was OUR urine-soaked hellhole. (Or pee-pee soaked heckhole, if you prefer)[/quote]

    Now you know how we felt when the Vet was destroyed…

  • chance | October 20, 2008 at 1:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”295693″]
    It would be interesting to know when teams started PMS-matching as opposed to buying standard, catalog-issue colors: Navy, Royal, Scarlet, Orange, Brown, Maroon…etc., etc. During my years of uni watching (lower case version) I assumed was standard issue stuff. Was only things like the varying blues of Chargers in mid-to-late 60s that made me first wonder about custom colors, especially in shades of blue.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Where caps are concerned, teams are still buying catalog colors.

    New Era makes two shades of royal blue – the darker one favored by the Cubs, Dodgers and Rangers, and the lighter one worn by the Royals, Blue Jays and Brewers. No matter what the team colors are, the royal caps come in one of those two shades.

    This could well be why teams like the Twins seem to have so much trouble matching their caps to their jerseys.

  • Juan Grande | October 20, 2008 at 1:21 pm |

    [quote comment=\”295677\”][quote comment=\”295672\”][quote comment=\”295602\”]More Bucs helmets:

    One reason to love the Bucs helmets: They match their pants beautifully, whih I imagine is not so easy to do.

    http://cache.daylife...

    Plus: Look at how RIDICULOUS, Chris Hovan\’s sleeve, or lack thereof, looks![/quote]

    Why hasn\’t the NFL uniform nazis come down on Hovan? He looks like he\’s wearing a tanktop![/quote]

    To be fair, that pic isn\’t from this season.It\’s from 12.17.2006.

    1. Jones is still a Bear.
    2. Look who\’s still the QB in the background.[/quote]

    It may be an old picture but Hovan still looks ridiculous. I played TE and FB in college. Sleeves are not that much of an issue. Most of the guys that had the sleeves shortened did it for the CDI (Chicks Dig It) factor.

  • JTH | October 20, 2008 at 1:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”295673″][quote comment=”295656″]
    The Rays have never had a season with a total attendance of less than a million. That’s not bad for a team with a high-water mark of 70 wins in its first decade.[/quote]

    In this environment, it’s more than “not bad,” it’s flat-out awful. You have to look at the number in context, against what the rest of the majors are doing.

    The Rays constantly fight for the lowest attendance in the majors. Here’s their ranking for the last eight years (out of 30 teams):

    2001: 29th
    2002: 28th
    2003: 29th
    2004: 29th
    2005: 30th
    2006: 29th
    2007: 29th
    2008: 26th

    There’s just no way to spin this as anything less than pathetic attendance.

    We can repeat the long list of excuses for why the fans stay away in droves, but that doesn’t change the numbers.[/quote]
    Long list? They flat-out sucked for ten years. What other reason do you need? Give the fans a reason to show up and they will. Other than the inaugual season (when they drew 2.5 million) and this season, (Devil) Rays fans haven’t had much to get excited about.

  • mike 2 | October 20, 2008 at 1:57 pm |

    (not really uni-related)

    This will also be the first World Series in 15 years to be played in part on artificial turf.

    The 1993 World Series was the last to feature turf – in fact, both teams played on artificial turf that year. Unless something weird happens (like the Jays, Rays or Twins changing leagues) 1993 will be the last series played entirely on turf.

  • Will Morris | October 20, 2008 at 1:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”295661″][quote comment=”295659″][quote comment=”295658″][quote comment=”295654″][quote comment=”295644″][quote comment=”295598″]I was one of the detractors of the Rays new unis before the season.

    Whether due to their success, or my warming to the simplicity as well as the Carolina accents, they look OK.

    They haven’t won the WS but the AL pennant is a great achievement after their years of futility, but when the Broncos ditched their Orange crush unis, they finally broke through into the winning column as well.

    The only team of recent memory to go the other way, has got to be the Rams, who won with their LA version uni, but change to the glossy finish unis the following year,[/quote]

    Going back a bit, I think the Houston Rockets changed unis after their back to back titles in the mid 90s.[/quote]
    Pittsburgh Penguins went away from the skating penguin after back-to-back Cups.
    Anaheim Ducks traded the Mighty modifier for a Cup.
    Minnesota Twins kicked off their M hats with a 1987 World Series.[/quote]
    Lest we forget the most drastic form of this…

    Quebec Nordiques leave for Denver, become the Colorado Avalanche, and win their first Stanley Cup in franchise history that same season.

    Dallas Stars introduced the star-themed jersey the year after they won the Cup.[/quote]

    Actually, the Stars wore the green star-themed jersey as an alternate the year they won the Cup. And, in fact, they were wearing it when they won the Cup.[/quote]
    It couldn’t have been the alternate that year, unless it began the season as an alternate.

    The NHL prohibits teams from wearing alternate jerseys in the playoffs. Though, I’m not sure if that rule has been around forever, or if thats something that was just recent.

    You’re right, though. They were wearing that jersey when Hull scored. However, they did have the traditional whites on, though they did move to the white version of the star jersey the following season.[/quote]
    That rule has to be semi-recent, I think, at least after 2000-01. The Flyers used to wear their black jerseys (which were their alts) exclusively for the playoffs.

  • Ricko | October 20, 2008 at 2:15 pm |

    Can someone please explain the design theory behind the current Bills jerseys, home and road?

    They look like some kind of Wal-Mart Back-to-School Daze cotton geek football “jersey” from THAT 70’s SHOW.

    —Ricko

  • Chris | October 20, 2008 at 2:15 pm |

    Did anyone else notice the handwritten number on the back of Evan Longoria’s “Bob Watson nightshirt”?

  • Stuby | October 20, 2008 at 2:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”295699″](not really uni-related)

    This will also be the first World Series in 15 years to be played in part on artificial turf.

    The 1993 World Series was the last to feature turf – in fact, both teams played on artificial turf that year. Unless something weird happens (like the Jays, Rays or Twins changing leagues) 1993 will be the last series played entirely on turf.[/quote]
    Wasn’t there some chatter a while back obout the Brewers possibly putting in Field Turf? So there’s a very remote possiblity of it happening again. But the days of the ’93 Series and that awful pool-table turf are over.

    BTW, at least the Trop has dirt basepaths instead of cut-outs at the bases.

  • Peter | October 20, 2008 at 2:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”295701″]Can someone please explain the design theory behind the current Bills jerseys, home and road?

    They look like some kind of Wal-Mart Back-to-School Daze cotton geek football “jersey” from THAT 70’s SHOW.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    They actually are designed to look more like the Canadian Football League

    http://www.argonauts...
    http://www.montreala...

    I subscribe to the idea that when the Bills changed uniforms a few years ago, it was to appeal to the CFL fans, the beginings of testing the waters of moving up north.

  • Tony B | October 20, 2008 at 2:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”295609″]As a Rays fan I would like to thank the Mets for giving the team Scott Kazmir (cause that really wasn’t a fair trade Vickey Z for Kazmir). He won the All-Star game for the AL and now the Rays have home field. One thing that bothers me though is how do you have home field in the World Series but don’t have a signle weekend date?[/quote]

    As a Mets fan, I would like to congratulate you on your team getting the better end of a trade, and for your giddiness in proving that hindsight is 20/20.

    The media and Rays fans act as if Kazmir is the greatest pitcher in baseball history. No team has ever taken more heat from a player transaction as the Mets have in the Kazmir trade. Not even the Sox selling Babe Ruth comes close.

  • Peter | October 20, 2008 at 2:49 pm |

    Re: Bills vs CFL

    or just read this forum of how CFL fans feel

    http://www.profootba...

  • KT | October 20, 2008 at 2:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”295643″]LarenR posted this last night:

    I think we’ve talked about the A-11 offense before, but the NY Times had an interesting angle. I know there are some HS refs out there. Have any of you seen it? Is it impossible to call?[/quote]

    Haven’t seen it. Its widespread adoption has been, it seems, overstated. Know of only one guy, in Illinois, who has seen it. No, it’s not impossible to call, but it would (nearly) be in a hurry-up situation. One problem is that unless it’s done really well, it’s probably going to be illegal. For too many reasons to go into right now.

    [quote]I have NEVER seen nor heard of this offense.[/quote]

    Fairly new. Gaining a bit of traction among schools that have to play up in class often and who would otherwise get smacked.

    [quote] However, the first thing a Line Judge or Head linesman looks for when the offense(A) comes to the line of scrimmage is that there are:

    1. At least 7 men on the LOS
    or
    2. No more than 4 players behind the LOS
    or
    3. 5 players within the “Tackle Box” numbered 50-79. This makes them inelible to receive as well as if they are covered up by an outside receiver.
    [/quote]

    1 and 2 we do look for as wing officials, but that count is usually triggered if we both signal that the man on the end of our side of the line is in the backfield. Then we have to do quick math.

    3 is the umpire’s call, not the HL or LJ. BUT the whole point of the A11 is that it takes advantage of a “numbering exception” in the rules. IF you’re in a “scrimmage kick” (usually a punt) formation (whether or not you intend to punt) with someone at least 7 yards back in position to receive the snap, you CAN have players numbered 1-49 and 80-99 replacing players numbered 50-79 in those lineman positions but they’re still ineligible receivers by position.

    The entire raison d’etre of the exception is because of tight ends and other skill position players who either snap for kicks or play guard or tackle in a punt or field goal/pat situation. Rather than have them switch jerseys (or put some sort of numbered contrivance over their jerseys) when they go to kick, the exception was put in.

    No exception, no A11. Some states have outlawed it. It’s possible the NFHS will address it in the off-season.

  • Nicole | October 20, 2008 at 2:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”295703″][quote comment=”295699″](not really uni-related)

    This will also be the first World Series in 15 years to be played in part on artificial turf.

    The 1993 World Series was the last to feature turf – in fact, both teams played on artificial turf that year. Unless something weird happens (like the Jays, Rays or Twins changing leagues) 1993 will be the last series played entirely on turf.[/quote]
    Wasn’t there some chatter a while back obout the Brewers possibly putting in Field Turf? So there’s a very remote possiblity of it happening again. But the days of the ’93 Series and that awful pool-table turf are over.

    BTW, at least the Trop has dirt basepaths instead of cut-outs at the bases.[/quote]

    Natural grass has it’s problems and is a concern – because of the retractable roof, certain patches don’t get enough sun.

    This season they changed grasses in various areas throughout the season to get a feel for them. It started over a long road trip, I think, with grass that wasn’t on the playing field. That got good reviews, so over the ASB, they replaced the infield and now plans are to do the outfield for the off season:
    http://blogs.jsonlin...

  • KT | October 20, 2008 at 2:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”295652″]
    I have to say, being from Cleveland there’s nothing better than having your favorite team get hot and win the league championship after years of failure. [/quote]

    Yes, Dear God, ten whole years, how the hell did those people ever survive?

    I’m happy for the Rays. Tampa is my hometown. Good for them. But like the johnny-come-lately fans in the burg where I live now, with their 10-year-old stadium and a World Series title already, anybody who refers to a Rays fan as “long-suffering” can bite me.

  • subway | October 20, 2008 at 2:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”295680″]The Devils have called up Pierre-Luc Letourneau-Leblond to replace the injured Bobby Holik. I know the NOB will most likely be “Leblond” but one can dream.[/quote]

    Oilers goalie Jeff Drouin-Deslauriers made his NHL debut Friday night. The NOB was Deslauriers.

  • KT | October 20, 2008 at 3:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”295698″]
    Long list? They flat-out sucked for ten years. What other reason do you need?[/quote]

    As I’m sure you know, there were lots of reasons, many of which are still relevant today.

    [quote] Give the fans a reason to show up and they will.[/quote]

    Just like that? Wow. No one needs to take a sports marketing class now. Tickets just sell themselves if you give people a reason to show up?

    [quote] Other than the inaugual season (when they drew 2.5 million) and this season, (Devil) Rays fans haven’t had much to get excited about.[/quote]

    But there’s been tons of excitement in Arlington and Pittsburgh over the years.

  • Peter | October 20, 2008 at 3:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”295710″][quote comment=”295652″]
    I have to say, being from Cleveland there’s nothing better than having your favorite team get hot and win the league championship after years of failure. [/quote]

    Yes, Dear God, ten whole years, how the hell did those people ever survive?

    I’m happy for the Rays. Tampa is my hometown. Good for them. But like the johnny-come-lately fans in the burg where I live now, with their 10-year-old stadium and a World Series title already, anybody who refers to a Rays fan as “long-suffering” can bite me.[/quote]

    umm…when has Cleveland last won ANYTHING?

    Baseball 1948
    Football 1964
    Basketball Never
    Hockey (NHL/AHL) Never

    so….again….how long?

  • Chris Doran | October 20, 2008 at 3:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”295703″][quote comment=”295699″](not really uni-related)

    This will also be the first World Series in 15 years to be played in part on artificial turf.

    The 1993 World Series was the last to feature turf – in fact, both teams played on artificial turf that year. Unless something weird happens (like the Jays, Rays or Twins changing leagues) 1993 will be the last series played entirely on turf.[/quote]
    Wasn’t there some chatter a while back obout the Brewers possibly putting in Field Turf? So there’s a very remote possiblity of it happening again. But the days of the ’93 Series and that awful pool-table turf are over.

    BTW, at least the Trop has dirt basepaths instead of cut-outs at the bases.[/quote]

    Oddly enough, the Phillies were involved in the first and last World Series to be played entirely on carpet.

  • MPowers1634 | October 20, 2008 at 3:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”295707″][quote comment=”295643″]LarenR posted this last night:

    I think we’ve talked about the A-11 offense before, but the NY Times had an interesting angle. I know there are some HS refs out there. Have any of you seen it? Is it impossible to call?[/quote]

    Haven’t seen it. Its widespread adoption has been, it seems, overstated. Know of only one guy, in Illinois, who has seen it. No, it’s not impossible to call, but it would (nearly) be in a hurry-up situation. One problem is that unless it’s done really well, it’s probably going to be illegal. For too many reasons to go into right now.

    [quote]I have NEVER seen nor heard of this offense.[/quote]

    Fairly new. Gaining a bit of traction among schools that have to play up in class often and who would otherwise get smacked.

    [quote] However, the first thing a Line Judge or Head linesman looks for when the offense(A) comes to the line of scrimmage is that there are:

    1. At least 7 men on the LOS
    or
    2. No more than 4 players behind the LOS
    or
    3. 5 players within the “Tackle Box” numbered 50-79. This makes them inelible to receive as well as if they are covered up by an outside receiver.
    [/quote]

    1 and 2 we do look for as wing officials, but that count is usually triggered if we both signal that the man on the end of our side of the line is in the backfield. Then we have to do quick math.

    3 is the umpire’s call, not the HL or LJ. BUT the whole point of the A11 is that it takes advantage of a “numbering exception” in the rules. IF you’re in a “scrimmage kick” (usually a punt) formation (whether or not you intend to punt) with someone at least 7 yards back in position to receive the snap, you CAN have players numbered 1-49 and 80-99 replacing players numbered 50-79 in those lineman positions but they’re still ineligible receivers by position.

    The entire raison d’etre of the exception is because of tight ends and other skill position players who either snap for kicks or play guard or tackle in a punt or field goal/pat situation. Rather than have them switch jerseys (or put some sort of numbered contrivance over their jerseys) when they go to kick, the exception was put in.

    No exception, no A11. Some states have outlawed it. It’s possible the NFHS will address it in the off-season.[/quote]

    Well said, KT.

    I am in my rookie year of officiating and have worked only Modified and Freshman as both a Head Linesman and Line Judge,as KT said: the Wings, in 3 man crews.

    I have timed a handful of games from the booth, while 5 man crews worked the field.

    My day in the Sun will be on November 5th when I am in The R spot for the first time under the lights!

  • KT | October 20, 2008 at 3:11 pm |

    [quote]
    One thing that bothers me though is how do you have home field in the World Series but don’t have a signle weekend date?[/quote]

    By having MLB change from the Sat/Sun, Tue/Wed/Thu, Sat/Sun format they’ve used on the World Series since 1985 to Wed/Thu, Sat/Sun/Mon, Wed/Thu to get more TV games during the week. Counter-intuitive, but this is baseball under Bud.

    Originally they were going to start on Tuesday, but then pushed it back to Wednesday. This is all part of the new TV contracts.

  • MadtownVan | October 20, 2008 at 3:11 pm |

    Actually, the crew are installing a new type of grass in the outfield (the same grass they put in the infield earlier this year). So no turf. However, thinking of my beloved Brewers in the Series brings a tear to my eye.

  • KT | October 20, 2008 at 3:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”295713″][quote comment=”295710″][quote comment=”295652″]
    I have to say, being from Cleveland there’s nothing better than having your favorite team get hot and win the league championship after years of failure. [/quote]

    Yes, Dear God, ten whole years, how the hell did those people ever survive?

    I’m happy for the Rays. Tampa is my hometown. Good for them. But like the johnny-come-lately fans in the burg where I live now, with their 10-year-old stadium and a World Series title already, anybody who refers to a Rays fan as “long-suffering” can bite me.[/quote]

    umm…when has Cleveland last won ANYTHING?

    Baseball 1948
    Football 1964
    Basketball Never
    Hockey (NHL/AHL) Never

    so….again….how long?[/quote]

    I wasn’t talking about Cleveland. I was talking about Tampa Bay. Your point began with Cleveland but in the context of Tampa Bay.

  • MPowers1634 | October 20, 2008 at 3:13 pm |

    My day in the Sun will be on November 5th when I am in The R spot for the first time under the lights!

    I sounded much like Yogi there, didn’t I? Sun, under the lights!!!!

  • Peter | October 20, 2008 at 3:13 pm |

    (have to make that uni related)

    1948 Indians http://images.google...

    1964 Browns
    http://www.brackensp...

    196ish Cleveland Barons (AHL Calder Cup)
    http://en.wikipedia....(1937-1973)

    Basketball
    couldn’t find any

    Cleveland is not alowed to say “long suffering….” Just ask these guys

    http://www.thedeadba...

  • KT | October 20, 2008 at 3:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”295715″]My day in the Sun will be on November 5th when I am in The R spot for the first time under the lights![/quote]

    Good for you! Good luck. I’m scheduled to be an R Friday, but I’ve never done it, so it ain’t happening. No desire.

  • Peter | October 20, 2008 at 3:14 pm |

    *notes: I apologize if your words were out of context…but I am glad you understood my point

    pk

  • Peter | October 20, 2008 at 3:16 pm |

    * one more:

    by saying the Rays have had 10 years of failures….

    the Phillies have had 28 years…

    so Ten years really isn’t that bad when compared to many teams in the league (HELl, the Texas Rangers STILL haven’t won a playoff series)

  • Ricko | October 20, 2008 at 3:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”295710″][quote comment=”295652″]
    I have to say, being from Cleveland there’s nothing better than having your favorite team get hot and win the league championship after years of failure. [/quote]

    Yes, Dear God, ten whole years, how the hell did those people ever survive?

    I’m happy for the Rays. Tampa is my hometown. Good for them. But like the johnny-come-lately fans in the burg where I live now, with their 10-year-old stadium and a World Series title already, anybody who refers to a Rays fan as “long-suffering” can bite me.[/quote]

    Besides, how “undeserving” the fan base might appear to be is totally irrelevant.

    To anyone but fans in cities whose teams aren’t still playing, of course.

    A few years back, a woman who’d been been feeding nickels into slots at one of our clients’ casinos came up to the manager-on-duty and complained, “I must have put two-hundred dollars in your slot machines and I haven’t won ANYTHING yet!”

    Yup, that’s how it works sometimes.

  • JTH | October 20, 2008 at 3:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”295712″]
    But there’s been tons of excitement in Arlington and Pittsburgh over the years.[/quote]
    I don’t understand the point you’re trying to make here.

  • LI Phil | October 20, 2008 at 3:22 pm |

    [quote]A few years back, a woman who’d been been feeding nickels into slots at one of our clients’ casinos came up to the manager-on-duty and complained, “I must have put two-hundred dollars in your slot machines and I haven’t won ANYTHING yet!”[/quote]

    either the slots weren’t calibrated properly or she was buying a pack of smokes

  • KT | October 20, 2008 at 3:23 pm |

    Last thing – the Coyotes’ alternate is okay, but their home sweater is already great and this running dog logo can’t hold a candle to the howling head they have on their regular jerseys. It’s too similar a concept, but poorly-executed. It looks like a bag of dog food. Had they gone with a moon with a cactus or a pawprint or something, fine. Something “alternate,” not “kinda similar but with a different logo, and it has black in it, so would you please buy it?”

  • KT | October 20, 2008 at 3:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”295725″][quote comment=”295712″]
    But there’s been tons of excitement in Arlington and Pittsburgh over the years.[/quote]
    I don’t understand the point you’re trying to make here.[/quote]

    The Rangers and Pirates have usually outdrawn the Rays. That was my point.

    And my only point about the other wasn’t about “deserving” vs. “undeserving.” It was about referring to any fanbase that goes through ten years of not winning as “long-suffering,” which is, of course, in the context of other teams, b.s. and, in general terms, whiny.

  • Kevin M. | October 20, 2008 at 3:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”295705″][quote comment=”295609″]As a Rays fan I would like to thank the Mets for giving the team Scott Kazmir (cause that really wasn’t a fair trade Vickey Z for Kazmir). He won the All-Star game for the AL and now the Rays have home field. One thing that bothers me though is how do you have home field in the World Series but don’t have a signle weekend date?[/quote]

    As a Mets fan, I would like to congratulate you on your team getting the better end of a trade, and for your giddiness in proving that hindsight is 20/20.

    The media and Rays fans act as if Kazmir is the greatest pitcher in baseball history. No team has ever taken more heat from a player transaction as the Mets have in the Kazmir trade. Not even the Sox selling Babe Ruth comes close.[/quote]

    I wouldn’t say Kaz is he GOAT (all though I agree som fans do think that) but when the trade happened I knew the potential of Kaz and knew what Vicky Z brought to the table and wondered what the Mets were doing in that trade.

  • Zach | October 20, 2008 at 3:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”295693″][quote comment=”295691″][quote comment=”295688″][quote comment=”295687″][quote comment=”295684″]I assume you are talking baout the light blue color? It is offically called Columbia Blue (from Columbia Uni.)[/quote]
    No, I mean the darker blue.[/quote]

    That’s what I get for assuming. Their offical colors are supposed to be Navy Blue, Columbia Blue, White and Gold. Sternberg loves blue as a color. Everything I have seen with the dark blue it is navy in color.[/quote]

    IIRC, there are two kinds of navy worn by MLB clubs – the midnight navy favored by the Yankees and Red Sox, and the lighter navy worn by the Brewers and the Rays.

    So it is navy, but not the Yankees’ navy.[/quote]

    I also think the Twins wear the darker and Indians the lighter. When they’re playing each other the blues sure look different.

    (and, yeah, that might explain the debate about the White Sox ’69 and ’70 unis. They may have gone to the lighter navy in ’70, and it confused me cuz up until that time navy pretty much was, well, navy).

    It would be interesting to know when teams started PMS-matching as opposed to buying standard, catalog-issue colors: Navy, Royal, Scarlet, Orange, Brown, Maroon…etc., etc. During my years of uni watching (lower case version) I assumed was standard issue stuff. Was only things like the varying blues of Chargers in mid-to-late 60s that made me first wonder about custom colors, especially in shades of blue.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    throw the san diego padres into the lighter navy blue category as well..

  • JTH | October 20, 2008 at 3:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”295728″][quote comment=”295725″][quote comment=”295712″]
    But there’s been tons of excitement in Arlington and Pittsburgh over the years.[/quote]
    I don’t understand the point you’re trying to make here.[/quote]

    The Rangers and Pirates have usually outdrawn the Rays. That was my point.

    And my only point about the other wasn’t about “deserving” vs. “undeserving.” It was about referring to any fanbase that goes through ten years of not winning as “long-suffering,” which is, of course, in the context of other teams, b.s. and, in general terms, whiny.[/quote]
    Gotcha. But as far as the Pirates outdrawing the Rays, we’re not really talking a landslide victory. Since the new-park smell has left PNC, Pirates crowds have been pretty sparse. And with the Rangers, at least the fans have gotten some big names (A-Rod, Soriano, etc.) to cheer for.

  • Dustin | October 20, 2008 at 3:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”295699″](not really uni-related)

    This will also be the first World Series in 15 years to be played in part on artificial turf.

    The 1993 World Series was the last to feature turf – in fact, both teams played on artificial turf that year. Unless something weird happens (like the Jays, Rays or Twins changing leagues) 1993 will be the last series played entirely on turf.[/quote]
    Also, won’t the Twins have grass at Target Field in two years?

    On a side note, it seemed relatively easy to tell that Lambeau has a hybrid setup, as it looked like dying grass with the synthetic fibers looking like a recently vacuumed carpet from sideline to sideline.

  • Jason | October 20, 2008 at 3:40 pm |

    Didn’t get a picture, but Lofa Tatupu wore a glove, featuring that Seahawks Green, under a cast on his arm last night. Did he have to wear the glove for hours while they put the caston over it?

  • Juan Grande | October 20, 2008 at 3:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”295729″][quote comment=”295705″][quote comment=”295609″]As a Rays fan I would like to thank the Mets for giving the team Scott Kazmir (cause that really wasn’t a fair trade Vickey Z for Kazmir). He won the All-Star game for the AL and now the Rays have home field. One thing that bothers me though is how do you have home field in the World Series but don’t have a signle weekend date?[/quote]

    As a Mets fan, I would like to congratulate you on your team getting the better end of a trade, and for your giddiness in proving that hindsight is 20/20.

    The media and Rays fans act as if Kazmir is the greatest pitcher in baseball history. No team has ever taken more heat from a player transaction as the Mets have in the Kazmir trade. Not even the Sox selling Babe Ruth comes close.[/quote]

    I wouldn’t say Kaz is he GOAT (all though I agree som fans do think that) but when the trade happened I knew the potential of Kaz and knew what Vicky Z brought to the table and wondered what the Mets were doing in that trade.[/quote]

    I live just north of St Pete. When Maddon announced he would start Kazmir for Game 5 there was nearly a riot. Kazmir was the top pitcher this team had for years but he became the whipping boy (along with Trop Percival) for the fans. It’s nice to see the population here get behind the Rays but listen carefully during the games… The fans boo called balls even if the pitch was 3 feet outside the strike zone. Any time a rays batter hits a deep fly ball EVERYONE starts cheering as if it were a 3 run blast. Then when the ball drops into the outfielder’s glove the place goes silent. The fans are learning. They’re not as up on the game as Boston, Baltimore, or St. Louis fans but let them have 5 more seasons of at least .500 ball and we’ll talk.

  • fluxcap | October 20, 2008 at 3:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”295713″][quote comment=”295710″][quote comment=”295652″]
    I have to say, being from Cleveland there’s nothing better than having your favorite team get hot and win the league championship after years of failure. [/quote]

    Yes, Dear God, ten whole years, how the hell did those people ever survive?

    I’m happy for the Rays. Tampa is my hometown. Good for them. But like the johnny-come-lately fans in the burg where I live now, with their 10-year-old stadium and a World Series title already, anybody who refers to a Rays fan as “long-suffering” can bite me.[/quote]

    umm…when has Cleveland last won ANYTHING?

    Baseball 1948
    Football 1964
    Basketball Never
    Hockey (NHL/AHL) Never

    so….again….how long?[/quote]

    Sorry, by league championship i was referring to the tribe winning the LCS in 95

  • ScottyJ in WV | October 20, 2008 at 3:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”295697″][quote comment=\”295677\”][quote comment=\”295672\”][quote comment=\”295602\”]More Bucs helmets:

    One reason to love the Bucs helmets: They match their pants beautifully, whih I imagine is not so easy to do.

    http://cache.daylife...

    Plus: Look at how RIDICULOUS, Chris Hovan\’s sleeve, or lack thereof, looks![/quote]

    Why hasn\’t the NFL uniform nazis come down on Hovan? He looks like he\’s wearing a tanktop![/quote]

    To be fair, that pic isn\’t from this season.It\’s from 12.17.2006.

    1. Jones is still a Bear.
    2. Look who\’s still the QB in the background.[/quote]

    It may be an old picture but Hovan still looks ridiculous. I played TE and FB in college. Sleeves are not that much of an issue. Most of the guys that had the sleeves shortened did it for the CDI (Chicks Dig It) factor.[/quote]

    Thank you for confirming what I’ve thought true for quite some time……sleeve length isn’t much of an issue, but rather it’s become a style choice.

    I’ve always wondered how on earth football players over the 1st 80+ years of the game managed to play with sleeves.

    I think Replace The Sleeves needs to become more of a priority than Ditch The Black.

    While I’m at it, how ’bout getting rid of that tape/glue that holds the jerseys (wrinkled) close to the body and pads!

    Lord I’m turning into a curmudgeon…….get off my lawn.

  • JF in DC | October 20, 2008 at 4:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”295701″]Can someone please explain the design theory behind the current Bills jerseys, home and road?

    They look like some kind of Wal-Mart Back-to-School Daze cotton geek football “jersey” from THAT 70’s SHOW.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    As a long-time Bills fan, the rumor going around WNY is that 90 year old owner Ralph Wilson is loathe to change the current Bills uni’s/logos and leave all of that stuff to the next caretaker/owner. Kinda makes sense business-wise but the overwhelming number of fans I know love the throwbacks and wish the Bills would go with them full-time. There are many 20-somethings who like the all-blue look, but their numbers are not as strong.

    Remember, as introduced in 2002, the blue jersey were supposed to go with white pants, but Peerless Price, then a WR on the 2002 team, was succesful in lobbying the team to go the all-blue look for their fourth game of the season vs. the Bears at home. The Bills won that game, and the all-blue look has been a staple ever since (the Bills have worn the white pants with the blue on several occasions when playing a road game in Florida. (What color pants will the Bills wear this week in Miami?)

    The blue pants were meant for the white jersey in 2002, but sometime that year, the switch to white-on-white was also made.

  • Bob A | October 20, 2008 at 4:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”295701″]Can someone please explain the design theory behind the current Bills jerseys, home and road?

    They look like some kind of Wal-Mart Back-to-School Daze cotton geek football “jersey” from THAT 70’s SHOW.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I truely believe the Bills unis to be the worst among all teams in the major sports leagues. The guy I work with is a Bills fan and wears one of the road jerseys from time to time. It’s hideous.

  • chance | October 20, 2008 at 4:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”295698″][quote comment=”295673″][quote comment=”295656″]
    The Rays have never had a season with a total attendance of less than a million. That’s not bad for a team with a high-water mark of 70 wins in its first decade.[/quote]

    In this environment, it’s more than “not bad,” it’s flat-out awful. You have to look at the number in context, against what the rest of the majors are doing.

    The Rays constantly fight for the lowest attendance in the majors. Here’s their ranking for the last eight years (out of 30 teams):

    2001: 29th
    2002: 28th
    2003: 29th
    2004: 29th
    2005: 30th
    2006: 29th
    2007: 29th
    2008: 26th

    There’s just no way to spin this as anything less than pathetic attendance.

    We can repeat the long list of excuses for why the fans stay away in droves, but that doesn’t change the numbers.[/quote]
    Long list? They flat-out sucked for ten years. What other reason do you need? Give the fans a reason to show up and they will. Other than the inaugual season (when they drew 2.5 million) and this season, (Devil) Rays fans haven’t had much to get excited about.[/quote]
    Even in the inaugural season, they couldn’t sell out two games. That’s pathetic.

    The notion that the fans will come out for a winner ais unproven at best. The Rays were the best team in the American League (if not the majors) all season long, and they couldn’t draw flies.

    Yes, they sold playoff tickets. But we’ll see how they draw during the next regular season, but the results so far are far from a home run.

  • scott | October 20, 2008 at 4:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”295640″][quote comment=”295635″]Someone pointed out last night that the World Series would be softball-jersey free. Taking it a step further, all four teams that lost in the Division Series, I believe, wore their softball jerseys at least once during the series (correct me if I’m wrong on that).

    Even better, no solid colored alts in either LCS. Its been a good postseason, aesthetically.[/quote]
    I’ll take a bow for that one.[/quote]

    Did the Angels wear their red tops in the ALDS? The Cubs and Brewers both wore their blue tops, and I think the White Sox wore the black jerseys at least once.

  • Stuby | October 20, 2008 at 4:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”295738″][quote comment=”295701″]Can someone please explain the design theory behind the current Bills jerseys, home and road?

    They look like some kind of Wal-Mart Back-to-School Daze cotton geek football “jersey” from THAT 70’s SHOW.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I truely believe the Bills unis to be the worst among all teams in the major sports leagues. The guy I work with is a Bills fan and wears one of the road jerseys from time to time. It’s hideous.[/quote]
    There’s just so much stuff going on with those jerseys. And they don’t really go with the helmet OR the pants. They manage to make the Titans unis look subdued. Truly awful.

  • chance | October 20, 2008 at 4:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”295736″]I think Replace The Sleeves needs to become more of a priority than Ditch The Black.
    [/quote]

    I’m with you.

    Curmudgeons unite!

  • ChrisSh | October 20, 2008 at 4:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”295705″][quote comment=”295609″]As a Rays fan I would like to thank the Mets for giving the team Scott Kazmir (cause that really wasn’t a fair trade Vickey Z for Kazmir). He won the All-Star game for the AL and now the Rays have home field. One thing that bothers me though is how do you have home field in the World Series but don’t have a signle weekend date?[/quote]

    As a Mets fan, I would like to congratulate you on your team getting the better end of a trade, and for your giddiness in proving that hindsight is 20/20.

    The media and Rays fans act as if Kazmir is the greatest pitcher in baseball history. No team has ever taken more heat from a player transaction as the Mets have in the Kazmir trade. Not even the Sox selling Babe Ruth comes close.[/quote]
    You must live in New York, am I right? Because outside of New York and I suppose Florida, no one talks about that trade, and they certainly don’t blame the Mets the same way the Red Sox are blamed for the Babe. Not even close…

  • JTH | October 20, 2008 at 4:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”295739″]
    The notion that the fans will come out for a winner ais unproven at best. The Rays were the best team in the American League (if not the majors) all season long, and they couldn’t draw flies.[/quote]
    If I gave the impression that a winning season would be enough for fans to start flocking to St. Pete, that was not my intent. It goes beyond simple wins and losses. Fans need to see some kind of a solid commitment from the team.

    Just look at the Marlins for proof of that.

  • Duckstyle | October 20, 2008 at 4:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”295743″][quote comment=”295705″][quote comment=”295609″]As a Rays fan I would like to thank the Mets for giving the team Scott Kazmir (cause that really wasn’t a fair trade Vickey Z for Kazmir). He won the All-Star game for the AL and now the Rays have home field. One thing that bothers me though is how do you have home field in the World Series but don’t have a signle weekend date?[/quote]

    As a Mets fan, I would like to congratulate you on your team getting the better end of a trade, and for your giddiness in proving that hindsight is 20/20.

    The media and Rays fans act as if Kazmir is the greatest pitcher in baseball history. No team has ever taken more heat from a player transaction as the Mets have in the Kazmir trade. Not even the Sox selling Babe Ruth comes close.[/quote]
    You must live in New York, am I right? Because outside of New York and I suppose Florida, no one talks about that trade, and they certainly don’t blame the Mets the same way the Red Sox are blamed for the Babe. Not even close…[/quote]

    Have to agree, until you brought it up I didn’t even know that trade happened.

  • Chris | October 20, 2008 at 5:09 pm |

    RE: PHX alts: I like ’em compared to some of the other EDGE era sweaters. If you want to see a bad alt, wait til the Kings unleash theirs (from what I’ve heard).

    RE: uni changes that led to a championship, you guys missed one: the Denver Broncos.

  • Happy Joe | October 20, 2008 at 5:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”295741″][quote comment=”295738″][quote comment=”295701″]Can someone please explain the design theory behind the current Bills jerseys, home and road?

    They look like some kind of Wal-Mart Back-to-School Daze cotton geek football “jersey” from THAT 70’s SHOW.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I truely believe the Bills unis to be the worst among all teams in the major sports leagues. The guy I work with is a Bills fan and wears one of the road jerseys from time to time. It’s hideous.[/quote]
    There’s just so much stuff going on with those jerseys. And they don’t really go with the helmet OR the pants. They manage to make the Titans unis look subdued. Truly awful.[/quote]

    I was watching the Bills game and noticed that the blue of the main body of the jersey isn’t a bad color. If they ditched the piping and the side panel, it wouldn’t be bad, with the proviso that they ban the monochrome look. Not that I would suggest that in lieu of a return to the Joe Ferguson era uniforms or the late 60’s throwbacks they have been wearing. Both are 1,000 times better than the current disasters.

    Regarding the Titans, I think the light blue pants with the white jerseys/light blue shoulder blocks actually looks good. When they put the other combos together, my eyes start to hurt.

  • LI Phil | October 20, 2008 at 5:17 pm |

    1. ditch teh black > replace the sleeves…barely

    2. bills unis are possibly the worst in all football, agreed…as JF said, the blue pants were meant for the white tops and vice versa…that is the WORST ‘monochrome’ uni there is…even worse than the vikings all purple

    3. fans of the cubs, and to a lesser extent the mets, injuns, rangers, astros, brewers, dodgers, giants, etc… we can’t fathom how these florida teams can win WS by seemingly throwing darts and hitting (yes, TB has a much better model, and it’s obviously paying off…AND they haven’t won anything … yet), but don’tcha think any of the fans in those cities would KILL for a ring? it’s like “how do THEY do it, but we can’t”…

    you’d think if it were so easy (which, obviously, it’s not)…any team could do it

    why the fans in florida don’t warm up (no pun intended) to those teams is quizzical, because it’s quite possible that state will have 3 WS winners in 12 years…

    srsly….for a state with NO teams in 1992…they may have 3 WS’s in less than 20 years

    but hey…if the fans don’t want to come out to the ball park, we can’t stop em (apologies to yogi)

  • LarenR | October 20, 2008 at 5:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”295728″][quote comment=”295725″][quote comment=”295712″]
    But there’s been tons of excitement in Arlington and Pittsburgh over the years.[/quote]
    I don’t understand the point you’re trying to make here.[/quote]

    The Rangers and Pirates have usually outdrawn the Rays. That was my point.

    And my only point about the other wasn’t about “deserving” vs. “undeserving.” It was about referring to any fanbase that goes through ten years of not winning as “long-suffering,” which is, of course, in the context of other teams, b.s. and, in general terms, whiny.[/quote]
    [rant]
    Comparing the number of years that “my favorite team sucked” has always seemed stupid to me. When my wife was a medical resident, she’d say to her friends, “my night really sucked…I saw 12 traumas and only got two hours of sleep.” There would invariably be someone who shot back, “oh yeah? I saw 18 patients and got a half-hour of sleep.” But the thing is, both of those nights sucked.

    Ten years of no WS in St. Pete sucks. It’s not 50 years, like we have in SF, or 100 like in Chicago (well, half of Chicago), but it still sucks. So why can’t fans in Philly, Cleveland, SF, Pittsburgh, Arlington, or wherever you live, all be long-suffering? Why does “your suffering” have to be greater than “my suffering”? Just because Phillies phans have pain, doesn’t mean Rays fans don’t.
    [/rant]

  • LI Phil | October 20, 2008 at 5:32 pm |

    [quote]Ten years of no WS in St. Pete sucks[/quote]

    no it doesn’t

  • LarenR | October 20, 2008 at 5:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”295751″][quote]Ten years of no WS in St. Pete sucks[/quote]

    no it doesn’t[/quote]
    Well, in might.

  • Ricko | October 20, 2008 at 5:38 pm |

    Who deserves what?

    Fate owes no fans anything.

    A very bright friend of mine once said, “‘Fair’? I don’t WANT life to be f-ing ‘fair’. If it was ‘fair’ that would mean I DESERVE all this f-ing shit that’s happening to me.”

    (Hey, I said he was bright, not eloquent).

  • LarenR | October 20, 2008 at 5:42 pm |

    On a different topic:
    Does anyone know why there was a Bears mascot dressed up as Mr. T yesterday? I didn’t get to see the game, but caught a flash of him during highlights, as Payne was celebrating his interception near the end of the third quarter.

  • ChrisSh | October 20, 2008 at 6:00 pm |

    And the guys at PTI make fools of themselves again, making fun of the Bucs for the Alsott jersey, clearly having no idea what the real story is. Great job guys!

  • Carl | October 20, 2008 at 6:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”295662″]I can’t understand why the Nationals are going away from the interlocking “DC” logo. I understand the script “W” is about the so-called tradition of baseball in Washington, but I think the “DC” looks a million times better. Anyone agree?[/quote]
    I Entirely dig the “DC” logo for the Nationals. It’s unique and fresh in the tradition-heavy MLB. Not that tradition doesn’t have it’s place. Lord knows what would happen if the Spankes, BoSox, etc. added a cap logo. For example the Twins ditching of the “TC” for the “M” for 15+ years was a no-no; they’re both decent logos when used in combination. The Indians do this well too – the “I” cap and Chief Wahoo logo are a nice balance. The Giants, however, should ditch the “G” cap faster than unloading Zito.

  • =bg= | October 20, 2008 at 6:24 pm |

    All I know is..the Giants have been in SF since 58…=0= WS titles.

  • Marcus from B-More | October 20, 2008 at 6:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”295756″][quote comment=”295662″]I can’t understand why the Nationals are going away from the interlocking “DC” logo. I understand the script “W” is about the so-called tradition of baseball in Washington, but I think the “DC” looks a million times better. Anyone agree?[/quote]
    I Entirely dig the “DC” logo for the Nationals. It’s unique and fresh in the tradition-heavy MLB. Not that tradition doesn’t have it’s place. Lord knows what would happen if the Spankes, BoSox, etc. added a cap logo. For example the Twins ditching of the “TC” for the “M” for 15+ years was a no-no; they’re both decent logos when used in combination. The Indians do this well too – the “I” cap and Chief Wahoo logo are a nice balance. The Giants, however, should ditch the “G” cap faster than unloading Zito.[/quote]

    how bout dem O’s bringing back the clown bird as an alternate cap??? the friday O’s cap is ok at best

  • warren thompson | October 20, 2008 at 6:33 pm |

    Players in the “first … years of football” managed to do quite well with full-length jersey sleeves. And, as far as I know, no one complained. [Perhaps there’s a lesson to be learned here.]

  • LarenR | October 20, 2008 at 6:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”295757″]All I know is..the Giants have been in SF since 58…=0= WS titles.[/quote]
    Three pennants, then: one sweep by the cross-bay rivals and two gut-wrenching defeats (Bobby Richardson snagging McCovey’s would-be Series winner and and Russ Ortiz getting a game ball five outs too early). Ouch!

  • Stuby | October 20, 2008 at 6:39 pm |

    Hey Phil, ESPN is reporting that Mike Nolan will be fired and replaced by Mike Singletary. I guess they felt my “Fire the Suit” vibe.

  • Jamie | October 20, 2008 at 6:40 pm |

    Is the shot at Romo really necessary? It’s not like a sprain or a bruise or something, it’s an actual broken bone in his throwing hand.

  • Stuby | October 20, 2008 at 6:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”295760″][quote comment=”295757″]All I know is..the Giants have been in SF since 58…=0= WS titles.[/quote]
    Three pennants, then: one sweep by the cross-bay rivals and two gut-wrenching defeats (Bobby Richardson snagging McCovey’s would-be Series winner and and Russ Ortiz getting a game ball five outs too early). Ouch![/quote]
    Let’s not forget losing to the Marlins in the playoffs (twice) and Jose freaking Oquendo’s grand slam in ’87.

  • The Hemogoblin | October 20, 2008 at 6:44 pm |

    RE: People bitching about championships

    1977. That was the last time ANY TEAM I like got a championship.

    NFL:

    Seattle Seahawks- No
    Cleveland Browns- 1964

    NBA:

    Portland Trail Blazers (yes, with the space)- 1977

    NHL:

    Chicago Blackhawks- 1961

    MLB:

    Seattle Mariners- No
    Chicago Cubs- 1908
    Washington Nationals- No

    Soccer:

    Eintracht Frankfurt- 1959

    So ridiculous. Sooooo ridiculous.

  • LarenR | October 20, 2008 at 6:44 pm |

    Re: Brad Johnson’s tape-job.

    He tapes the fingers so that it is easier for the pitcher to read his signals.

  • LI Phil | October 20, 2008 at 6:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”295761″]Hey Phil, ESPN is reporting that Mike Nolan will be fired and replaced by Mike Singletary. I guess they felt my “Fire the Suit” vibe.[/quote]

    beware the power of the stubinator

  • LI Phil | October 20, 2008 at 6:46 pm |

    anyone know if the patsies will be donning the grogans tonite? tha’d be…

    sweet

  • Stuby | October 20, 2008 at 6:46 pm |

    Oops, selective memory. Oquendo only hit a 3-run shot – after hitting 1 HR all year.

  • LarenR | October 20, 2008 at 6:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”295763″][quote comment=”295760″][quote comment=”295757″]All I know is..the Giants have been in SF since 58…=0= WS titles.[/quote]
    Three pennants, then: one sweep by the cross-bay rivals and two gut-wrenching defeats (Bobby Richardson snagging McCovey’s would-be Series winner and and Russ Ortiz getting a game ball five outs too early). Ouch![/quote]
    Let’s not forget losing to the Marlins in the playoffs (twice) and Jose freaking Oquendo’s grand slam in ’87.[/quote]
    And the Rockies failing to take even a single game at home against the Braves in the last weekend of ’93 (wasting a 103 win season in the last year before the Wild Card took effect).

    I’m getting a stomach ache. Can we change the subject? *sigh*

  • Stuby | October 20, 2008 at 6:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”295769″][quote comment=”295763″][quote comment=”295760″][quote comment=”295757″]All I know is..the Giants have been in SF since 58…=0= WS titles.[/quote]
    Three pennants, then: one sweep by the cross-bay rivals and two gut-wrenching defeats (Bobby Richardson snagging McCovey’s would-be Series winner and and Russ Ortiz getting a game ball five outs too early). Ouch![/quote]
    Let’s not forget losing to the Marlins in the playoffs (twice) and Jose freaking Oquendo’s grand slam in ’87.[/quote]
    And the Rockies failing to take even a single game at home against the Braves in the last weekend of ’93 (wasting a 103 win season in the last year before the Wild Card took effect).

    I’m getting a stomach ache. Can we change the subject? *sigh*[/quote]
    Yeah, I need to stop thinking about this stuff.

    Changing the subject, Jay Cutler could pass for a fifth Baldwin brother.

  • Lwiedy | October 20, 2008 at 6:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”295705″][quote comment=”295609″]As a Rays fan I would like to thank the Mets for giving the team Scott Kazmir (cause that really wasn’t a fair trade Vickey Z for Kazmir). He won the All-Star game for the AL and now the Rays have home field. One thing that bothers me though is how do you have home field in the World Series but don’t have a signle weekend date?[/quote]

    As a Mets fan, I would like to congratulate you on your team getting the better end of a trade, and for your giddiness in proving that hindsight is 20/20.

    The media and Rays fans act as if Kazmir is the greatest pitcher in baseball history. No team has ever taken more heat from a player transaction as the Mets have in the Kazmir trade. Not even the Sox selling Babe Ruth comes close.[/quote]

    I was in NY in 2004 the day the trade was made and it was getting unmercifully ripped THAT DAY by NY fans and media. There was no crime in trading Kaz, the crime was giving him away for shit. No hindsight, it was hailed then and there as a TERRIBLE trade by a GM who panicked at the trade deadline. Don’t forget, they brought in Kris Benson the same day, how’d that work out?

  • JTH | October 20, 2008 at 6:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”295764″]RE: People bitching about championships

    1977. That was the last time ANY TEAM I like got a championship.

    NFL:

    Seattle Seahawks- No
    Cleveland Browns- 1964

    NBA:

    Portland Trail Blazers (yes, with the space)- 1977

    NHL:

    Chicago Blackhawks- 1961

    MLB:

    Seattle Mariners- No
    Chicago Cubs- 1908
    Washington Nationals- No

    Soccer:

    Eintracht Frankfurt- 1959

    So ridiculous. Sooooo ridiculous.[/quote]
    Correction:
    Chicago Black Hawks (yes, with the space)- 1961

  • The Hemogoblin | October 20, 2008 at 6:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”295772″][quote comment=”295764″]RE: People bitching about championships

    1977. That was the last time ANY TEAM I like got a championship.

    NFL:

    Seattle Seahawks- No
    Cleveland Browns- 1964

    NBA:

    Portland Trail Blazers (yes, with the space)- 1977

    NHL:

    Chicago Blackhawks- 1961

    MLB:

    Seattle Mariners- No
    Chicago Cubs- 1908
    Washington Nationals- No

    Soccer:

    Eintracht Frankfurt- 1959

    So ridiculous. Sooooo ridiculous.[/quote]
    Correction:
    Chicago Black Hawks (yes, with the space)- 1961[/quote]

    I wasn’t born until after the space was removed…

  • The Hemogoblin | October 20, 2008 at 6:58 pm |

    Hey Paul, what are ribbongloves?

  • LI Phil | October 20, 2008 at 7:01 pm |

    [quote]Don’t forget, they brought in Kris Benson the same day, how’d that work out?[/quote]

    benson begat john maine (and of course, jorge julio)…

    the jury is still out

    btw…how’d those fregosi and pat zachary trades work out for the mets?

  • LarenR | October 20, 2008 at 7:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”295770″][quote comment=”295769″][quote comment=”295763″][quote comment=”295760″][quote comment=”295757″]All I know is..the Giants have been in SF since 58…=0= WS titles.[/quote]
    Three pennants, then: one sweep by the cross-bay rivals and two gut-wrenching defeats (Bobby Richardson snagging McCovey’s would-be Series winner and and Russ Ortiz getting a game ball five outs too early). Ouch![/quote]
    Let’s not forget losing to the Marlins in the playoffs (twice) and Jose freaking Oquendo’s grand slam in ’87.[/quote]
    And the Rockies failing to take even a single game at home against the Braves in the last weekend of ’93 (wasting a 103 win season in the last year before the Wild Card took effect).

    I’m getting a stomach ache. Can we change the subject? *sigh*[/quote]
    Yeah, I need to stop thinking about this stuff.

    Changing the subject, Jay Cutler could pass for a fifth Baldwin brother.[/quote]
    But would he want to?

  • Stuby | October 20, 2008 at 7:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”295776″][quote comment=”295770″][quote comment=”295769″][quote comment=”295763″][quote comment=”295760″][quote comment=”295757″]All I know is..the Giants have been in SF since 58…=0= WS titles.[/quote]
    Three pennants, then: one sweep by the cross-bay rivals and two gut-wrenching defeats (Bobby Richardson snagging McCovey’s would-be Series winner and and Russ Ortiz getting a game ball five outs too early). Ouch![/quote]
    Let’s not forget losing to the Marlins in the playoffs (twice) and Jose freaking Oquendo’s grand slam in ’87.[/quote]
    And the Rockies failing to take even a single game at home against the Braves in the last weekend of ’93 (wasting a 103 win season in the last year before the Wild Card took effect).

    I’m getting a stomach ache. Can we change the subject? *sigh*[/quote]
    Yeah, I need to stop thinking about this stuff.

    Changing the subject, Jay Cutler could pass for a fifth Baldwin brother.[/quote]
    But would he want to?[/quote]
    I’m sure there are a few CelebReality shows out there that Stephen Baldwin was too busy for. Cutler could pick up some extra cash.

  • Lwiedy | October 20, 2008 at 7:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”295775″][quote]Don’t forget, they brought in Kris Benson the same day, how’d that work out?[/quote]

    benson begat john maine (and of course, jorge julio)…

    the jury is still out

    btw…how’d those fregosi and pat zachary trades work out for the mets?[/quote]

    Agreed, you can trace trades to other moves that work out, but it certainly wasn’t the intent of the original trade whose end result was a -15 loss for the 2004 Amazin’s and the end Mr. Duquette’s career as a MLB GM.

  • JTH | October 20, 2008 at 7:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”295754″]On a different topic:
    Does anyone know why there was a Bears mascot dressed up as Mr. T yesterday? I didn’t get to see the game, but caught a flash of him during highlights, as Payne was celebrating his interception near the end of the third quarter.[/quote]
    Wow. Nice catch. I have no idea, but I do have a screen grab: Staley as Mr. T.

    Also, the two Williamses.

  • Lwiedy | October 20, 2008 at 7:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”295775″][quote]Don’t forget, they brought in Kris Benson the same day, how’d that work out?[/quote]

    benson begat john maine (and of course, jorge julio)…

    the jury is still out

    btw…how’d those fregosi and pat zachary trades work out for the mets?[/quote]

    Funny thing about Fregosi, he was so bad for NY that even if you took Ryan out of the trade, giving up Leroy Stanton still made it a bad deal.

  • JTH | October 20, 2008 at 7:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”295773″]
    I wasn’t born until after the space was removed…[/quote]
    Just out of curiosity, how did you end up a Hawks fan? I mean, they’ve pretty much sucked the whole time you’ve been following them, right?

    Me, I grew up with them, and I’m even old enough to remember some pretty good seasons.

  • The Hemogoblin | October 20, 2008 at 7:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”295781″][quote comment=”295773″]
    I wasn’t born until after the space was removed…[/quote]
    Just out of curiosity, how did you end up a Hawks fan? I mean, they’ve pretty much sucked the whole time you’ve been following them, right?

    Me, I grew up with them, and I’m even old enough to remember some pretty good seasons.[/quote]

    Chelios. Amonte. Roenick. Red jerseys (my guilty pleasure).

  • JTH | October 20, 2008 at 7:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”295782″][quote comment=”295781″][quote comment=”295773″]
    I wasn’t born until after the space was removed…[/quote]
    Just out of curiosity, how did you end up a Hawks fan? I mean, they’ve pretty much sucked the whole time you’ve been following them, right?

    Me, I grew up with them, and I’m even old enough to remember some pretty good seasons.[/quote]

    Chelios. Amonte. Roenick. Red jerseys (my guilty pleasure).[/quote]
    Yeah, that would do it. Although, I’m partial to the white jerseys.

  • Lwiedy | October 20, 2008 at 7:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”295755″]And the guys at PTI make fools of themselves again, making fun of the Bucs for the Alsott jersey, clearly having no idea what the real story is. Great job guys![/quote]

    Just got to the Alstott item on PTI. They stated that the “jersey” was retired.

    Couple things. I hate when it is referred to as a jersey retirement. It’s a number retirement. Also, nothing I’ve read stated official retirement. Anybody know if that is the case?

  • Tim | October 20, 2008 at 8:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”295755″]And the guys at PTI make fools of themselves again, making fun of the Bucs for the Alsott jersey, clearly having no idea what the real story is. Great job guys![/quote]

    Well no offense, but if they “clearly have no idea” about what the story is, then how are they making fools of themselves? If anything, it’s up to Tony Reali to correct their errors/oversights at the end of the show, and he didn’t, so I would actually put that on Reali.

    It’s kind of like the comment in #152, where the Scott Kazmir trade is still obsessed about in New York, and pretty much nowhere else. Bucs fans may know the backstory about the misspelling on the jersey, but it’s silly to assume that the other 95% of the public is going to see it and automatically know, oh yeah, that was his rookie jersey from 1996 and it had a misspelling on it, and the one under the glass is the actual jersey from 1996. Why would they?

    And the PTI guys, for all their faults, are not above talking about jerseys and how bad some of the designs are, especially Wilbon.

  • Jen in Chicago | October 20, 2008 at 8:02 pm |

    OK – I was at the Bears/Vikings game yesterday. Yes, Staley was dressed as Mr. T for a time – I don’t have a clue why. The funniest part was that he was doing pushups for the camera and struggling to do some one-armed pushups and they took the camera off him. Guy was exhausted for nothing.

    I also noticed that the Vikings right corner – # 26 – Antoine Winfield had no purple socks at all for the first half. I told my neighbor that he had a fine coming – they didn’t believe me, they had no idea about the uniform cops – so I bet them…Either they’ll make him show some purple in the second half or he’ll get fined. Sure enough – second half – purple.

    1st half: http://www.flickr.co...

    2nd half: http://www.flickr.co...

    Sorry for the poor quality – I had the BlackBerry zoom set to 5!

  • Jory | October 20, 2008 at 8:45 pm |

    Re: Brad Johnson’s tape

    That does look similar to the tape you’d find used in rehab. I could surmise that it is to help hold his fingers in place (if he has an issue with them popping out of their sockets for instance) which acts by kind of supporting the ligaments. That would honestly be my best guess

  • The Hemogoblin | October 20, 2008 at 8:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”295783″][quote comment=”295782″][quote comment=”295781″][quote comment=”295773″]
    I wasn’t born until after the space was removed…[/quote]
    Just out of curiosity, how did you end up a Hawks fan? I mean, they’ve pretty much sucked the whole time you’ve been following them, right?

    Me, I grew up with them, and I’m even old enough to remember some pretty good seasons.[/quote]

    Chelios. Amonte. Roenick. Red jerseys (my guilty pleasure).[/quote]
    Yeah, that would do it. Although, I’m partial to the white jerseys.[/quote]

    Those are good too… but the red and black… my favorite uni combination… (membership card shows it for sure)

  • ChrisSh | October 20, 2008 at 9:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”295785″][quote comment=”295755″]And the guys at PTI make fools of themselves again, making fun of the Bucs for the Alsott jersey, clearly having no idea what the real story is. Great job guys![/quote]

    Well no offense, but if they “clearly have no idea” about what the story is, then how are they making fools of themselves? If anything, it’s up to Tony Reali to correct their errors/oversights at the end of the show, and he didn’t, so I would actually put that on Reali.

    It’s kind of like the comment in #152, where the Scott Kazmir trade is still obsessed about in New York, and pretty much nowhere else. Bucs fans may know the backstory about the misspelling on the jersey, but it’s silly to assume that the other 95% of the public is going to see it and automatically know, oh yeah, that was his rookie jersey from 1996 and it had a misspelling on it, and the one under the glass is the actual jersey from 1996. Why would they?

    And the PTI guys, for all their faults, are not above talking about jerseys and how bad some of the designs are, especially Wilbon.[/quote]

    Well… it is their job. I think I am justified in saying that they failed to do said job correctly this time… All of them. They not only mentioned it, they implied that the Bucs were stupid for screwing it up, which just makes PTI look worse…

  • cah | October 20, 2008 at 9:18 pm |

    One of the reasons the Rays don’t draw is because it needs to be a regional team. The demographics of the Tampa Bay area whon’t support three major league teams.

    But you won’t draw from Orlando with a team in St. Pete. The Trop is in a horrible location. They should have built where the fairgrounds are, near where I-75 and I-4 cross. Then they’d draw from Tampa, St. Pete, Sarasota, and Orlando.

  • You-nee-watch | October 20, 2008 at 9:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”295789″]Well… it is their job. I think I am justified in saying that they failed to do said job correctly this time… All of them. They not only mentioned it, they implied that the Bucs were stupid for screwing it up, which just makes PTI look worse…[/quote]

    Eh, I’m sure the guys at PTI aren’t going to lose any sleep over the fact that some guy posting on a website called Uniwatch thinks they’re fools.

  • LI Phil | October 20, 2008 at 9:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”295774″]Hey Paul, what are ribbongloves?[/quote]

    this?

  • LI Phil | October 20, 2008 at 9:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”295791″][quote comment=”295789″]Well… it is their job. I think I am justified in saying that they failed to do said job correctly this time… All of them. They not only mentioned it, they implied that the Bucs were stupid for screwing it up, which just makes PTI look worse…[/quote]

    Eh, I’m sure the guys at PTI aren’t going to lose any sleep over the fact that some guy posting on a website called Uniwatch thinks they’re fools.[/quote]

    uni watch

    two words

  • Sodboy13 | October 20, 2008 at 10:03 pm |

    Patrick Ramsay just came in as QB for the Broncos, and not only does his jersey have actual sleeves, but there are no Reebok logos on said sleeves. It’s anti-logo creep!

  • Justin | October 20, 2008 at 10:06 pm |

    so I see that the pats aren’t wearing their red (like we thought they might?) but the mascot pat patriot (or whatever) is in his old time red uni. could this be a sign that the pats were planning on putting them on?

  • LI Phil | October 20, 2008 at 10:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”295794″]Patrick Ramsay just came in as QB for the Broncos, and not only does his jersey have actual sleeves, but there are no Reebok logos on said sleeves. It’s anti-logo creep![/quote]

    i was just thinkin’ that same thing…

    almost shit myself

    reebok moneymen must be phoning the uni cops as we speak…wonder if he’ll have a new jersey after the half?

  • Zach | October 20, 2008 at 10:24 pm |

    is that an ENTIRE nob on BenJarvus Green-Ellis jersey for the Pats?

  • The Hemogoblin | October 20, 2008 at 10:29 pm |

    I’m going to try to make a motion that any player with fifteen or more letters on the back of their jersey has a “Holy F*** On Back” or a HFOB… can we think of any off of the top of our heads?

  • Zach | October 20, 2008 at 10:33 pm |

    no the only i can think of is Maurice Jones-Drew, but it is just GREEN-ELLIS it just seems really large

  • LI Phil | October 20, 2008 at 10:38 pm |

    WTF!

    there’s a dude dressed in vikings gear in the endzone…and moss just jumped into his arms

    there’s some strange happenings going on in foxboro

  • Zach | October 20, 2008 at 10:43 pm |

    So in those Nike leave nothing football ad with LT and (not even gonna try and spell his name) Troy P. Is that an accurate TCU jersey for the time when LT was at the school?

  • Stuby | October 20, 2008 at 10:44 pm |

    I assume this guy has his full last NOB…

    http://sports.yahoo....

    16 letters – 17 characters with the hyphen.

  • LI Phil | October 20, 2008 at 10:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”295802″]I assume this guy has his full last NOB…

    http://sports.yahoo....

    16 letters – 17 characters with the hyphen.[/quote]

    yes

  • Zach | October 20, 2008 at 10:47 pm |

    hfnob

  • Mike Engle | October 20, 2008 at 10:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”295798″]I’m going to try to make a motion that any player with fifteen or more letters on the back of their jersey has a “Holy F*** On Back” or a HFOB… can we think of any off of the top of our heads?[/quote]
    How about Chris Fuamatu-Ma’afala?

  • Zach | October 20, 2008 at 10:50 pm |

    How about in the NBA Chris Douglas-Roberts?

  • LI Phil | October 20, 2008 at 10:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”295805″][quote comment=”295798″]I’m going to try to make a motion that any player with fifteen or more letters on the back of their jersey has a “Holy F*** On Back” or a HFOB… can we think of any off of the top of our heads?[/quote]
    How about Chris Fuamatu-Ma’afala?[/quote]

    yes

  • LI Phil | October 20, 2008 at 10:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”295806″]How about in the NBA Chris Douglas-Roberts?[/quote]

    yes (college)

    yes (pro)

  • LI Phil | October 20, 2008 at 10:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”295808″][quote comment=”295806″]How about in the NBA Chris Douglas-Roberts?[/quote]

    yes (college)

    yes (pro)[/quote]

  • Zach | October 20, 2008 at 10:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”295806″]How about in the NBA Chris Douglas-Roberts?[/quote]
    yea- http://media.commerc...

  • LI Phil | October 20, 2008 at 10:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”295808″][quote comment=”295806″]How about in the NBA Chris Douglas-Roberts?[/quote]

    yes (college)

    yes (pro)[/quote]

    DAMMIT….

    wrong link in second pic…

    better college view
    and here

    looking for pro shot

  • LI Phil | October 20, 2008 at 10:58 pm |

    pro shot for douglas roberts

  • Zach | October 20, 2008 at 10:58 pm |

    did Hamm-Garciaparra ever exist?

  • LI Phil | October 20, 2008 at 11:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”295813″]did Hamm-Garciaparra ever exist?[/quote]

    didn’t she wear “hamm” in the first half and then “garciaparra” in the second half of her last ever game?

    don’t think she did the HNOB

  • Zach | October 20, 2008 at 11:01 pm |

    that woulda been incredible if she did

  • Stuby | October 20, 2008 at 11:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”295813″]did Hamm-Garciaparra ever exist?[/quote]
    I think it was mostly Hamm except for her final game, when she went with Garciaparra (HNOB-Husband’s Name On Back).

  • LI Phil | October 20, 2008 at 11:04 pm |

    yup…just garciaparra

  • Zach | October 20, 2008 at 11:06 pm |

    Interesting uni story the munsie brothers in the nfl had a mother who misspelled the younger ones birth certificate and they were on the same team but different spellings of last names. Look it up its true.

  • Stuby | October 20, 2008 at 11:07 pm |

    If HNOB is ‘Hyphenated Name On Back’ then Mia went with MNOB – Married Name On Back.

  • LI Phil | October 20, 2008 at 11:07 pm |

    you look it up ;)

  • LI Phil | October 20, 2008 at 11:09 pm |

    the way he’s whipped, nomah should wear HOB

  • Stuby | October 20, 2008 at 11:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”295821″]the way he’s whipped, nomah should wear HOB[/quote]
    That’s Hamm On Back?

  • LI Phil | October 20, 2008 at 11:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”295822″][quote comment=”295821″]the way he’s whipped, nomah should wear HOB[/quote]
    That’s Hamm On Back?[/quote]

    can’t get anything by you ;)

  • Zach | October 20, 2008 at 11:23 pm |

    Found it it’s all here it;s the last story on this link

    http://www2.jsonline...

    it was Muncie and Munsey it was a misspelling on the birth certificate

  • Stuby | October 20, 2008 at 11:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”295824″]Found it it’s all here it;s the last story on this link

    http://www2.jsonline...

    it was Muncie and Munsey it was a misspelling on the birth certificate[/quote]
    Best glasses in football, hands down…

    http://i3.photobucke...

  • Zach | October 20, 2008 at 11:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”295825″][quote comment=”295824″]Found it it’s all here it;s the last story on this link

    http://www2.jsonline...

    it was Muncie and Munsey it was a misspelling on the birth certificate[/quote]
    Best glasses in football, hands down…

    http://i3.photobucke...

    Yup and the most unique uni story in history

  • Stuby | October 20, 2008 at 11:29 pm |

    Nelson had better vision apparently…

    http://www.checkoutm...

  • Zach | October 20, 2008 at 11:32 pm |

    Chuck was goin for the Joe Maddon look

  • LI Phil | October 20, 2008 at 11:32 pm |

    would that make them homonyms or homophones?

  • Zach | October 20, 2008 at 11:35 pm |

    thats exactly why im not majoring in english

  • Teebz | October 20, 2008 at 11:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”295700″]
    That rule has to be semi-recent, I think, at least after 2000-01. The Flyers used to wear their black jerseys (which were their alts) exclusively for the playoffs.[/quote]

    First off, thanks for the link to Mr. Botta’s blog, Paul. Absolutely solid article, and I wrote a piece about it myself.

    On to business:

    Considering that the Flyers wore their orange alternates a couple of times in the playoffs while Forsberg was there, it has to be very recent.

    However, there is no official rule in the NHL rulebook that says the teams have to wear their normal home and road jerseys for the playoffs, so it has to be mandated by the Commish.

    Anyone in NYC wanna ask Gary Bettman for us? ;o)

  • Teebz | October 20, 2008 at 11:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”295782″][quote comment=”295781″][quote comment=”295773″]
    I wasn’t born until after the space was removed…[/quote]
    Just out of curiosity, how did you end up a Hawks fan? I mean, they’ve pretty much sucked the whole time you’ve been following them, right?

    Me, I grew up with them, and I’m even old enough to remember some pretty good seasons.[/quote]

    Chelios. Amonte. Roenick. Red jerseys (my guilty pleasure).[/quote]

    I have a red Amonte jersey sitting in my closet right now that I will never part with. I love the look of it, and he played his best hockey in Chi-Town.

  • The Hemogoblin | October 21, 2008 at 12:01 am |

    [quote comment=”295832″][quote comment=”295782″][quote comment=”295781″][quote comment=”295773″]
    I wasn’t born until after the space was removed…[/quote]
    Just out of curiosity, how did you end up a Hawks fan? I mean, they’ve pretty much sucked the whole time you’ve been following them, right?

    Me, I grew up with them, and I’m even old enough to remember some pretty good seasons.[/quote]

    Chelios. Amonte. Roenick. Red jerseys (my guilty pleasure).[/quote]

    I have a red Amonte jersey sitting in my closet right now that I will never part with. I love the look of it, and he played his best hockey in Chi-Town.[/quote]

    There’s a kid at the end of my hall that has an amazing Chicago jacket… when I saw it, it was one of those “oh… my… god…” moments.

  • Nick | October 21, 2008 at 12:05 am |

    [quote comment=”295602″]More Bucs helmets:

    One reason to love the Bucs helmets: They match their pants beautifully, whih I imagine is not so easy to do.

    http://cache.daylife...

    Plus: Look at how RIDICULOUS, Chris Hovan’s sleeve, or lack thereof, looks![/quote]

    DITTO …

    Since the Bucs are the first to use pewter, and it is not a particularly much-used athletic uniform color, you would think that it would be a tough color to match from helmets to pants.

    The Bucs, and their uniform providers, to their credit, match the colors well and really pull it off.

    My beloved Saints, on the other hand, can not seem to match any of the shades of gold on their uniforms, (the gold helmets do not match the gold numbers, which do not match the gold pants, which do not match the unnecessary colored yellow (should be gold) collars of the jerseys, and on & on & on) despite having had 40 years to do so and despite having the color gold a VERY COMMON sports uniform color.

    And to my everlasting dismay, depression and disgust, their partial solution is to often wear black leotard bicycle pants that make then look like a junior college.

    Makes ya really wanna scream, or at least appreciate the Colts wonderful simplicity ….

  • Lwiedy | October 21, 2008 at 12:06 am |

    [quote comment=”295829″]would that make them homonyms or homophones?[/quote]

    I believe that would be a personal matter, Phil ;-)

  • Nick | October 21, 2008 at 12:13 am |

    [quote comment=”295682″]There was entirely too much navy on the field for the Bills-Chargers game yesterday. The highlights were hard to follow…

    http://scores.espn.g...

    The NFL needs to institute a “both teams can’t wear navy/black pants, especially if one of those team is going monochrome” rule.[/quote]

    If the CHARGERS really want to be unique they should wear YELLOW/GOLD pants with the white jerseys only, and maybe with their powder blue jerseys.

    Leave the white pants with the navy jerseys, as that is a pretty clean look. They can also get rid of the powder blue trim on the pants and numerals and helmet bolts as it is simply too damn busy. The powdre blue jerseys would still work with the helmets and pants without the four color trim.

    That would be a nod to the AFL Chargers and would separtate them entirely from the rest of the NFL. The Chargers navy pants add NOTHING to their uniform or the theme that they seem to be trying for …..

    Whaddayou think?

  • Nick | October 21, 2008 at 12:18 am |

    [quote comment=”295738″][quote comment=”295701″]Can someone please explain the design theory behind the current Bills jerseys, home and road?

    They look like some kind of Wal-Mart Back-to-School Daze cotton geek football “jersey” from THAT 70’s SHOW.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I truely believe the Bills unis to be the worst among all teams in the major sports leagues. The guy I work with is a Bills fan and wears one of the road jerseys from time to time. It’s hideous.[/quote]

    TOTALLY AGREE – what substances were mixed and ingested for the idiot that came up with these …. the ABSOLUTE WORST in the NFL !!!

  • Patrick S. | October 21, 2008 at 12:38 am |

    Re: Bears mascot dressed as Mr. T

    My guess is that it was dressed up for Halloween seeing as the Bears have a bye next week. Living in Michigan, I’m not much of a Bears fan but I do like their jersey. The navy (which shade?) jersey is awesome and that Tang-orange one can go to hell.

    Also, what’s up with this phallic logo?
    http://upload.wikime...

  • Mike Engle | October 21, 2008 at 12:39 am |

    [quote comment=”295835″][quote comment=”295829″]would that make them homonyms or homophones?[/quote]

    I believe that would be a personal matter, Phil ;-)[/quote]
    Both. “Homonyms” contain the subsets “homophones” and “homographs.” Homophones sounds alike with different spellings, and homographs look alike with different pronunciations.

  • Brian | October 21, 2008 at 1:03 am |

    So, I guess I’m the only person who prefers the Pats current uniforms to the old design?

  • Max | October 21, 2008 at 3:02 am |

    [quote comment=”295840″]So, I guess I’m the only person who prefers the Pats current uniforms to the old design?[/quote]

    Who cares?