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On a Clear Day You Can See Forever 44 Coats of Paint and a Lot of Rust

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One of Shea Stadium’s lesser-known details is that there’s a seat positioned directly behind each foul pole in the Loge section, providing just the view you want to have when Ricardo Rincon is coming into the game. Here we find the lovely Collateral Gammage giving the leftfield pole seat a pregame test drive, one of several Shea details in which I was helpfully schooling her last night. (This and many other bits of Shea arcana are covered in today’s ESPN column, complete with video.)

Before the game, we explored the amazing futuristic bus shelters, originally built for the 1964 World’s Fair, located just northwest of the stadium. So incredibly cool. There’s a bunch more photos of these awesome structures here.

Had a blast at the game, not least because reader Eric Garment found me in the stands and sat with us for a few innings. Meanwhile, in another part of the stadium, Uni Watch reader/member Gaylord Fields was sitting next to a guy whose Mets jersey had this on the back. I’d say “Willie 07” would be a closer parallel to the team’s recent performance, but I guess ya gotta believe and all that.

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Uni Watch News Ticker: This has officially gotten way the fuck out of hand. … Speaking of which, here’s some more about Prince Fielder’s logo-emblazoned underoos, courtesy of a source in the Mets’ clubouse: “All teams have ‘team-themed’ underwear from a company called Toolshed. We have Mets ones, and I’ve seen other ones from guys who get traded here. I’d say maybe half of our players wear ’em, with the other half wearing major companies (Nike, Rebok, Mizuno, etc.). I wore ’em in ’07 but just used a generic brand this year.” Ah yes, Toolshed — such a wonderful underwear brand name, sort of like Dickferbrainz. … Pillbox caps, a trend that just can’t be stopped (that one was photographed by Adam Walter). … “I couldn’t be more indifferent about soccer if you paid me to be.” No, I didn’t say that (this time) — Jason Hillyer did. And then he said this: “However, this story about soccer shoes caught my eye this morning.” … Remember those cream-colored flannels that several old-timers were wearing at the Yankee Stadium? Several people thought they looked a little too creamy, and several others wondered if flannels are always off-white (and if so, why can’t they just be white?). Our own Scott M.X. Turner checks in with an explanation: “Doubleknits are as white as a sheet of paper, but wool flannels (and later wool/cotton blends) were never bleached white. Is there a dyeing process that could make that so? I don’t know. I believe we’d have seen that before the doubleknit revolution took over. In fact, I suspect that was one of the selling points of the new synthetics — ‘pure’ color renderings.” … Simple but vexing question from Kim Byram: Which was the first college football team to use NOBs? Anyone know? … Paul Ricciardi recently visited the Penn State All Sports Museum and sent along a dozen pics, which I’ve gathered into this slideshow. … According to this article, Utah will wear black uniforms on November 6th against TCU (with thanks to Brett Crane). … Any of you hockey fans know if this guy has any shot at making the Devils? Would make for an awesome NOB (good find by John Vivino). … The new Yankee Stadium is already finished — in Lego (cool find by Paul Ricciardi). … Cool article here about the deflating of the RCA Dome’s roof (with thanks to David Soline). … Coupla days ago I ran an item, but no photo, about Frank Minnifield having his facemask custom-positioned a bit farther back on his helmet, so he face would be closer to the mask. Sure enough (good follow-up by Rick Massimo). … This is such a simple, effective T-shirt approach — why aren’t there more of these? That’s reader Gabe Kleinfeld, as photographed by his galpal Valerie. … Mike Begley notes that with Troy Brown announcing his retirement, Boston.com has put up a slideshow of his career, which essentially functions as a great timeline of Flying Elvis-era Pats uniforms. … Andrew Thomason, who recently created a site documenting the Diamondbacks’ uniform history, has now created a similar one for the Mariners. … Remember when I was trying to establish exactly when the circle-R logo began appearing on the Cubs’ jersey? Guess I should’ve gone straight to Bill Henderson when researching that one. “I’ll forgive you for not bothering to ask the guy who has 63,000 photos of jerseys on his computer,” he says. “1979 was indeed the first year, for sure. You said till someone proved otherwise you’d go with 1980, but trust me on this, it’s 1979.” And let’s face it, it’s hard not to trust someone who also sends you a photo of a sumo wrestler throwing out a first pitch. … See the crossed-cannons forehead logo on this mask? Matt Lesser is wondering if it’s appeared anywhere else, or if this is the only place it’s being used. … What kind of number font is this? Can’t even be sure of those are 1s or 7s (with thanks to Jeremy Brahm). … Also from Jeremy: “The China Sharks, part of the Asia League Ice Hockey (that is how it is on the web site) have just moved their operations to Shanghai and the San Jose Sharks have a working agreement with the team. Here’s San Jose’s mascot, SJ Sharkie, showing off the China Sharks jersey.” … Lots of additional pics of the new Illinois hoops unis here, and this time maybe the players’ poses and hand gestures and hairstyles and the way they tie their shoes will meet with everyone’s approval (if not, blame Andrew Joseph). … Jeremy again: “Seibu Princess Rabbits, a women’s ice hockey team in Japan, has a player named Asami Ōhashi or Ohhashi. But her NOB does not have a macron or the double h — instead, it look like this.

 

221 comments to On a Clear Day You Can See Forever 44 Coats of Paint and a Lot of Rust

  • floormaster squeeze | September 26, 2008 at 9:44 am |

    Well, the soccer player appears to be Arjen Robben, who as a pretty solid left wing player, would traditionally be an 11 (it is also Arjen Robben’s number!). Japanese number seven would look very different (but they obviously use western numbers in some unis and fashion)–Robben plays for Real Madrid.

  • JessinMKE | September 26, 2008 at 9:46 am |

    I feel sorry for reader Eric Garment who was obviously berated by Paul the entire time they sat together for having his jersey untucked.

  • Jeremy Brahm | September 26, 2008 at 9:48 am |

    The serif for the 1 just looked strange to me.

    I just looked at a video for Letourneau-Leblond and he just has Leblond on the back of his Devils uniform.

  • Nicole | September 26, 2008 at 9:49 am |

    I’m definitely not trying to bring the tuck/untuck argument back, this is tongue in cheek…

    but, there’s always a lot of cheesecake for the guys around here and not so much for us ladies, so here’s a a vote in favor of untucking:

    http://www.jsonline....

  • Dan the Goalie | September 26, 2008 at 9:50 am |

    “See the crossed-cannons forehead logo on this mask? Matt Lesser is wondering if it’s appeared anywhere else, or if this is the only place it’s being used.”

    The crossed cannons on that Columbus Blue Jackets-themed street hockey goalie mask are there because the Blue Jackets have a cannon on the upper concourse at one end of Nationwide Arena that gets fired everytime they score a goal.

  • Jason Gomez | September 26, 2008 at 9:50 am |

    That Chiefs shirt is pretty cool, if anyone knows where to get it…I want it. I have a distressed hat that has the same helmet design on the front and thats it, I will try to get a picture of it. Even though its Reebok, I bought it since the logo was not on the outside. Reebok has one of the ugliest logos in sports or business in general.

    Another note, I thought Oregon State looked pretty good in their Bright Red jerseys last night, even better in HD

  • Hank | September 26, 2008 at 9:51 am |

    RE: Pierre-Luc Letourneau-Leblond. Sorry to disappoint but his NOB is only Leblond as seen in this recent videoclip: http://www.hockeyfig...

  • Mark M | September 26, 2008 at 9:51 am |

    What is it about soccer uniforms that causes typeface designers to lose their heads?

    MLS numbers this year have 1s and 7s that are utterly indistinguishable in practice.

    DC United signed a new player who wears 17. At his first game none of the people around me knew this, so we debated whether it was 77, 17, or 71. We just knew that Emilio had 11, so that was out.

  • mmwatkin | September 26, 2008 at 9:51 am |

    I am pretty sure that the Lego Yankee Stadium is the one that just closed, not the new one.

  • Nicole | September 26, 2008 at 9:53 am |

    Sorry, hadn’t read the ticker yet…

  • Robert | September 26, 2008 at 9:54 am |

    And let’s face it, it’s hard not to trust someone who also sends you a photo of a sumo wrestler throwing out a first pitch. …

    Sumo wrestler? I thought that was Livan Hernandez warming up before a game.

  • mmwatkin | September 26, 2008 at 9:56 am |

    Indianapolis didn’t waste any time deflating the RCA dome. I live close by to the Pontiac Silverdome in Michigan and it is still inflated since it “closed” in 2001. (although it is used sparingly)

    Well, that’s the way it works around here. Detroit is just getting around to tearing down Tiger Stadium (closed 1999)

  • Bopper | September 26, 2008 at 9:59 am |

    OK, another request… I cant find a tee shirt I saw on TV at an ECU game… It was plain purple, with a logo (Might have been Pee Dee, might have been a Jolly Roger) just below the neck line, and across the chest were the words “No Quarter”…

    Extensive searches turn nothing up for this shirt, does anyone else have any info?

  • dgc | September 26, 2008 at 10:06 am |

    Based on my limited Japanese gleamed from translating Jpop CDs, they’re probably doing a “by the book” romanization to get “Oohashi”. “oo” is probably what the translation program spits out, people usually change it to “oh” because “oo” is a separate sound in English.

  • Marc R | September 26, 2008 at 10:07 am |

    [quote comment=”291759″]”See the crossed-cannons forehead logo on this mask? Matt Lesser is wondering if it’s appeared anywhere else, or if this is the only place it’s being used.”

    The crossed cannons on that Columbus Blue Jackets-themed street hockey goalie mask are there because the Blue Jackets have a cannon on the upper concourse at one end of Nationwide Arena that gets fired everytime they score a goal.[/quote]

    The crossed cannons also represent the Artillery Officer’s hat badge used by the Union Army. My son and I were just discussing that the other night as he has a Civil War hat with the crossed rifles as an insignia, which were not used by either side.

  • Jeremy Brahm | September 26, 2008 at 10:13 am |

    The sumo wrestler is Konishiki, the great Hawaiian ozeki champion.

    The picture is from the 1996 MLB tour of Japan at the Tokyo dome.

    The number 333 is not how much he weighed in kilograms. He just had gastric bypass surgery last year. He has already lost 150 lbs, so he should be at around 400 lbs. His highest weight in sumo was around 580.

    Here he is in high school, #79
    http://www.konishiki...

    He even threw out a pitch at a San Francisco Giants game.
    http://www.konishiki...

  • u2-horn | September 26, 2008 at 10:16 am |

    [quote comment=”291767″]OK, another request… I cant find a tee shirt I saw on TV at an ECU game… It was plain purple, with a logo (Might have been Pee Dee, might have been a Jolly Roger) just below the neck line, and across the chest were the words “No Quarter”…

    Extensive searches turn nothing up for this shirt, does anyone else have any info?[/quote]

    I’d try asking here:

    http://eastcarolina....

  • Justin in AR | September 26, 2008 at 10:17 am |

    The new Illinois unis look good except for one thing. What the hell is going on with the waistline on the navy shorts?

  • Jet | September 26, 2008 at 10:18 am |

    That Seattle Mariners uni-history site is fantastic! But looking closely at their first year design, what’s up with the letter “i” on their home jerseys?? It’s clearly a lower-case font, but there’s no dot over the “i”, and the “i” is the only letter that has a serif, yet the serif is only on the bottom part of the letter whereas a correct lower-case “i” would have a serif at top and bottom…
    http://mariners.free...

    Bizarro…

    -Jet

  • Bryan Redemske | September 26, 2008 at 10:20 am |

    [quote comment=”291760″]That Chiefs shirt is pretty cool, if anyone knows where to get it…I want it. I have a distressed hat that has the same helmet design on the front and thats it, I will try to get a picture of it. Even though its Reebok, I bought it since the logo was not on the outside. Reebok has one of the ugliest logos in sports or business in general.

    Another note, I thought Oregon State looked pretty good in their Bright Red jerseys last night, even better in HD[/quote]

    You meant orange, I hope? May want to calibrate that HDTV if it looked red.

  • Dave in Maine | September 26, 2008 at 10:22 am |

    Looking through the Troy Brown gallery reminded me just how god-awful the 1980s/1990s Jets unis were, and what a welcome sight their return to the Namath era unis have been. Now the rest of the AFC East needs to embrace their respective historic unis, which are all astoundingly better than the crap they all wear today (the Bills in particular).

  • LI Phil | September 26, 2008 at 10:24 am |

    [quote comment=”291767″]OK, another request… I cant find a tee shirt I saw on TV at an ECU game… It was plain purple, with a logo (Might have been Pee Dee, might have been a Jolly Roger) just below the neck line, and across the chest were the words “No Quarter”…

    Extensive searches turn nothing up for this shirt, does anyone else have any info?[/quote]

  • Jet | September 26, 2008 at 10:25 am |

    More weirdness at that Mariners’ site…jump ahead to 1981-82. They’ve made some changes; the lower-case “i” no longer has a serif but still has no dot.

    But look at the fourth pic down. It shows Gaylord Perry in the home jersey next to a teammate wearing a Mariners jacket. The lettering on the jacket is a different font than the jersey, and even the trident “M” is different on the jacket, being rounded at the top of the tines instead of spiked!!

    http://mariners.free...

    -Jet

  • LI Phil | September 26, 2008 at 10:26 am |

    [quote comment=”291767″]OK, another request… I cant find a tee shirt I saw on TV at an ECU game… It was plain purple, with a logo (Might have been Pee Dee, might have been a Jolly Roger) just below the neck line, and across the chest were the words “No Quarter”…

    Extensive searches turn nothing up for this shirt, does anyone else have any info?[/quote]

    it could be a reference to the led zep song of the same name…tho i kinda doubt it

  • Mark in Shiga | September 26, 2008 at 10:27 am |

    [quote comment=”291768″]Based on my limited Japanese gleamed from translating Jpop CDs, they’re probably doing a “by the book” romanization to get “Oohashi”. “oo” is probably what the translation program spits out, people usually change it to “oh” because “oo” is a separate sound in English.[/quote]

    Actually, my guess is that she used a double o because the “Ō” in Ōhashi, meaning “large”, is spelled (in Japanese phonetic hiragana) with two of the letter o (お). The other, much more common, way to make a long o is to write an o (お) followed by an u (う).

    The pronunciation is basically identical, so in romanization you wouldn’t worry about the quirks in hiragana spelling, but these days more and more people are using the Roman alphabet to type Japanese on computers. Here’s an article on this “word processor romanization”.

    Basically, if you want to type the name Ōhashi (大橋), you have to first type in the roman letters that will give you the correct hiragana, which will then be converted into kanji (Chinese characters) So “oohashi” will convert correctly, “ouhashi” or “ohhashi” won’t, and “Ōhashi” (with a macron) can’t be typed on a Japanese keyboard to begin with. These days you’re seeing more and more people romanize Japanese based on whatever they would have typed to make it scan correctly on a computer, rather than “regular” romanization rules. (This is called You also see alternatively, nonstandard romanization going uncorrected because people are using the logic, “if it gives me the right word when I type into a computer, it must be right”.

    Personally I wish they would just use macrons for all long vowels — diacritical marks always look cool — but sports teams have usually chosen to use the “h” for jersey NOBs. I suspect that this is because when NOBs were first becoming popular, one of baseball’s greatest home run hitters would have a really weird-looking single-letter-plus-diacritic NOB, so they used an H instead. Maybe we could give the legendary Mr. Oh, who is retiring from managing this season, an exception, and make only the non-immortals use macrons.

  • LI Phil | September 26, 2008 at 10:28 am |

    [quote comment=”291779″][quote comment=”291767″]OK, another request… I cant find a tee shirt I saw on TV at an ECU game… It was plain purple, with a logo (Might have been Pee Dee, might have been a Jolly Roger) just below the neck line, and across the chest were the words “No Quarter”…

    Extensive searches turn nothing up for this shirt, does anyone else have any info?[/quote]

    it could be a reference to the led zep song of the same name…tho i kinda doubt it[/quote]

    or maybe it’s this

  • LI Phil | September 26, 2008 at 10:30 am |

    CHRIST

    no quarter no mercy link

  • Rick White Un Trois | September 26, 2008 at 10:30 am |

    [quote comment=”291774″][quote comment=”291760″]That Chiefs shirt is pretty cool, if anyone knows where to get it…I want it. I have a distressed hat that has the same helmet design on the front and thats it, I will try to get a picture of it. Even though its Reebok, I bought it since the logo was not on the outside. Reebok has one of the ugliest logos in sports or business in general.

    Another note, I thought Oregon State looked pretty good in their Bright Red jerseys last night, even better in HD[/quote]

    You meant orange, I hope? May want to calibrate that HDTV if it looked red.[/quote]

    Take a look at this page and see what color the Oregon State unis look like on TV and in a still camera shot.

  • Original Jim | September 26, 2008 at 10:31 am |

    Sorry to dissapoint you, Paul, but as others have mentioned, Letourneau-LeBlond’s nameplate reads only as “LeBlond” (although there is a small cap E).

    I watched him play all last season for Lowell in the AHL.

    I think Lowell might have led the league in hyphenates, but only one player used it.

    There was Pierre-Luc Letourneau-LeBlond (LeBlond)
    Olivier Magnan-Grenier (Magnan)
    Jean-Luc Grand-Pierre (Grand-Pierre)

  • u2-horn | September 26, 2008 at 10:33 am |

    [quote comment=”291781″][quote comment=”291779″][quote comment=”291767″]OK, another request… I cant find a tee shirt I saw on TV at an ECU game… It was plain purple, with a logo (Might have been Pee Dee, might have been a Jolly Roger) just below the neck line, and across the chest were the words “No Quarter”…

    Extensive searches turn nothing up for this shirt, does anyone else have any info?[/quote]

    it could be a reference to the led zep song of the same name…tho i kinda doubt it[/quote]

    or maybe it’s this[/quote]

    I’m guessing it’s this

    http://www.piratewea...

  • Robert | September 26, 2008 at 10:33 am |

    [quote comment=”291774″][quote comment=”291760″]That Chiefs shirt is pretty cool, if anyone knows where to get it…I want it. I have a distressed hat that has the same helmet design on the front and thats it, I will try to get a picture of it. Even though its Reebok, I bought it since the logo was not on the outside. Reebok has one of the ugliest logos in sports or business in general.

    Another note, I thought Oregon State looked pretty good in their Bright Red jerseys last night, even better in HD[/quote]

    You meant orange, I hope? May want to calibrate that HDTV if it looked red.[/quote]

    Oregon State looked red to me too. When I glanced over at the game, I absent-mindedly asked myself who USC was playing, because I did not recognize the red-and-black uniforms.

    “Texas Tech? No. Hmm, who could it be? Oregon State? What the hell . . . I would have sworn that their colors were orange and black . . .”

  • Bryan Redemske | September 26, 2008 at 10:37 am |

    [quote comment=”291783″][quote comment=”291774″][quote comment=”291760″]That Chiefs shirt is pretty cool, if anyone knows where to get it…I want it. I have a distressed hat that has the same helmet design on the front and thats it, I will try to get a picture of it. Even though its Reebok, I bought it since the logo was not on the outside. Reebok has one of the ugliest logos in sports or business in general.

    Another note, I thought Oregon State looked pretty good in their Bright Red jerseys last night, even better in HD[/quote]

    You meant orange, I hope? May want to calibrate that HDTV if it looked red.[/quote]

    Take a look at this page and see what color the Oregon State unis look like on TV and in a still camera shot.[/quote]

    From the AP photo wire.

  • interlockingtc | September 26, 2008 at 10:39 am |

    I love 44 coats of paint and rust. **sigh**

    Bus shelters built with vision and optimism and flair. **sigh**

    Something tells me the espn article will break my heart.

  • JW | September 26, 2008 at 10:40 am |

    Paul, just wondering if you or anyone else has every seen players with their NOB include their roman numeral. Couple of captures from Baylor’s game last week.

    http://www.divshare....

  • DJK | September 26, 2008 at 10:40 am |

    [quote comment=”291786″][quote comment=”291774″][quote comment=”291760″]That Chiefs shirt is pretty cool, if anyone knows where to get it…I want it. I have a distressed hat that has the same helmet design on the front and thats it, I will try to get a picture of it. Even though its Reebok, I bought it since the logo was not on the outside. Reebok has one of the ugliest logos in sports or business in general.

    Another note, I thought Oregon State looked pretty good in their Bright Red jerseys last night, even better in HD[/quote]

    You meant orange, I hope? May want to calibrate that HDTV if it looked red.[/quote]

    Oregon State looked red to me too. When I glanced over at the game, I absent-mindedly asked myself who USC was playing, because I did not recognize the red-and-black uniforms.

    “Texas Tech? No. Hmm, who could it be? Oregon State? What the hell . . . I would have sworn that their colors were orange and black . . .”[/quote]

    They looked pretty darn orange on both my plasma and my LCD.

    And 100% horrid. The black/orange/black look seemed like a bad high school team. but since they won, this will probably forever be the new OSU home look. :(

    The Mariners have certainly had a long standing non-offensive but boring look. That’s a cool site though, I hope he does more teams, especially teams with some interesting uni history, like the Pirates and A’s.

  • Terri | September 26, 2008 at 10:41 am |

    [quote comment=”291790″][quote comment=”291786″][quote comment=”291774″][quote comment=”291760″]That Chiefs shirt is pretty cool, if anyone knows where to get it…I want it. I have a distressed hat that has the same helmet design on the front and thats it, I will try to get a picture of it. Even though its Reebok, I bought it since the logo was not on the outside. Reebok has one of the ugliest logos in sports or business in general.

    Another note, I thought Oregon State looked pretty good in their Bright Red jerseys last night, even better in HD[/quote]

    You meant orange, I hope? May want to calibrate that HDTV if it looked red.[/quote]

    Oregon State looked red to me too. When I glanced over at the game, I absent-mindedly asked myself who USC was playing, because I did not recognize the red-and-black uniforms.

    “Texas Tech? No. Hmm, who could it be? Oregon State? What the hell . . . I would have sworn that their colors were orange and black . . .”[/quote]

    They looked pretty darn orange on both my plasma and my LCD.

    And 100% horrid. The black/orange/black look seemed like a bad high school team. but since they won, this will probably forever be the new OSU home look. :(

    The Mariners have certainly had a long standing non-offensive but boring look. That’s a cool site though, I hope he does more teams, especially teams with some interesting uni history, like the Pirates and A’s.[/quote]

    They looked really red to me…I was actually surprised today when I saw espn.com’s pic and realized they were orange.

  • mmwatkin | September 26, 2008 at 10:43 am |

    [quote comment=”291790″][quote comment=”291786″][quote comment=”291774″][quote comment=”291760″]That Chiefs shirt is pretty cool, if anyone knows where to get it…I want it. I have a distressed hat that has the same helmet design on the front and thats it, I will try to get a picture of it. Even though its Reebok, I bought it since the logo was not on the outside. Reebok has one of the ugliest logos in sports or business in general.

    Another note, I thought Oregon State looked pretty good in their Bright Red jerseys last night, even better in HD[/quote]

    You meant orange, I hope? May want to calibrate that HDTV if it looked red.[/quote]

    Oregon State looked red to me too. When I glanced over at the game, I absent-mindedly asked myself who USC was playing, because I did not recognize the red-and-black uniforms.

    “Texas Tech? No. Hmm, who could it be? Oregon State? What the hell . . . I would have sworn that their colors were orange and black . . .”[/quote]

    They looked pretty darn orange on both my plasma and my LCD.

    And 100% horrid. The black/orange/black look seemed like a bad high school team. but since they won, this will probably forever be the new OSU home look. :(

    The Mariners have certainly had a long standing non-offensive but boring look. That’s a cool site though, I hope he does more teams, especially teams with some interesting uni history, like the Pirates and A’s.[/quote]

    Yeah, looked orange to me as well.

    On a related note…why does Shea have red foul poles? ;)

  • Paul | September 26, 2008 at 10:43 am |

    I couldn’t tell you where to find the shirt, but the phrase is an old pirate saying. It means they don’t keep hostages. Quarter referring to rooms or bed space on the ship.

  • ScottyJ in WV | September 26, 2008 at 10:48 am |

    [quote comment=”291790″][quote comment=”291786″][quote comment=”291774″][quote comment=”291760″]That Chiefs shirt is pretty cool, if anyone knows where to get it…I want it. I have a distressed hat that has the same helmet design on the front and thats it, I will try to get a picture of it. Even though its Reebok, I bought it since the logo was not on the outside. Reebok has one of the ugliest logos in sports or business in general.

    Another note, I thought Oregon State looked pretty good in their Bright Red jerseys last night, even better in HD[/quote]

    You meant orange, I hope? May want to calibrate that HDTV if it looked red.[/quote]

    Oregon State looked red to me too. When I glanced over at the game, I absent-mindedly asked myself who USC was playing, because I did not recognize the red-and-black uniforms.

    “Texas Tech? No. Hmm, who could it be? Oregon State? What the hell . . . I would have sworn that their colors were orange and black . . .”[/quote]

    They looked pretty darn orange on both my plasma and my LCD.

    And 100% horrid. The black/orange/black look seemed like a bad high school team. but since they won, this will probably forever be the new OSU home look. :(

    The Mariners have certainly had a long standing non-offensive but boring look. That’s a cool site though, I hope he does more teams, especially teams with some interesting uni history, like the Pirates and A’s.[/quote]

    The OSU jerseys looked orange on the TVs at the bowling alley last night, too.

    I thought the Beavers looked pretty sharp last night. The uniforms looked modern, clean and well thought out.

  • LI Phil | September 26, 2008 at 10:48 am |

    what the fuck hell is this?

    is that what i think it is? a “bullpen cart”???

    how cool is that?????

  • Bob A | September 26, 2008 at 10:52 am |

    I just killed 90 minutes on the Mariners uni history site and I’m only up to 1990. Great find. I wish I had the time to do one like that for the Orioles or Astros.

  • LI Phil | September 26, 2008 at 10:52 am |

    [quote comment=”291795″]what the fuck hell is this?

    is that what i think it is? a “bullpen cart”???

    how cool is that?????[/quote]

    ok….you wanna play that way, free host?

    mariners bullpen cart saved thru flickr

  • ScottyJ in WV | September 26, 2008 at 10:52 am |

    [quote comment=”291772″]The new Illinois unis look good except for one thing. What the hell is going on with the waistline on the navy shorts?[/quote]

    The waistband’s not even the most disturbing thing….what the H-E-double hockey sticks is going on with the sheer volume of those shorts!!?!

    Goodness gracious! You could hold a nice-sized wedding reception under those things! Geez, when you put those with the close-fitting jerseys, the look is just……bad. Bad, bad, bad.

  • Chris in K-W | September 26, 2008 at 10:55 am |

    The Toronto Raptors unveiled their new third jersey…yet another team with a black third jersey. I don’t have a picture but I am sure you can imagine what it basically looks like. Just a black jersey with their regular markings.

    Oh and re:the discussion about Reebok vs. Rbk in NHL arenas this year…last night’s preseason game in Edmonton still had Rbk logos on the boards. I don’t know if the company is using both monikers oor if simply Edmonton is behind the times and have not changed the signs yet.

  • statz | September 26, 2008 at 10:56 am |

    Regarding capitalism’s death… It’s like Mark Twain said, “rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated.” Unlike communism, which pretty much died in 1991, after a brief 74 years. OK, I took the bait, but I just couldn’t pass up the Twain quote…

    On a uni related note, I noticed that the numbers on my son’s soccer uniform have his club logo in the bottom corner of each number (photos to follow later). Is this as unusual as I think or pretty commonplace?

  • Paul Lukas | September 26, 2008 at 10:56 am |

    [quote comment=”291797″][quote comment=”291795″]what the fuck hell is this?

    is that what i think it is? a “bullpen cart”???

    how cool is that?????[/quote]

    I linked to that same photo la

    ok….you wanna play that way, free host?

    mariners bullpen cart saved thru flickr[/quote]

    Much larger verison of that photo, plus another photo of the same Tugboat “cart,” in my bullpen buggy article last year:
    http://sports.espn.g...

  • Jason Gomez | September 26, 2008 at 10:59 am |

    [quote comment=”291774″][quote comment=”291760″]That Chiefs shirt is pretty cool, if anyone knows where to get it…I want it. I have a distressed hat that has the same helmet design on the front and thats it, I will try to get a picture of it. Even though its Reebok, I bought it since the logo was not on the outside. Reebok has one of the ugliest logos in sports or business in general.

    Another note, I thought Oregon State looked pretty good in their Bright Red jerseys last night, even better in HD[/quote]

    You meant orange, I hope? May want to calibrate that HDTV if it looked red.[/quote]

    Sorry I am a bit colorbling thanks…I had some trouble with figuring their color. So the tv is fine just the owner!

  • Chris in Nashville | September 26, 2008 at 11:00 am |

    paul…you mentioned you thought we’d see a one piece sooner rather than later…

    Tomorrow.

    Hey Paul, it’s tomorrow. What’s up with the one-piece talk of yesterday’s comments?

  • Johnny O | September 26, 2008 at 11:05 am |

    [quote comment=”291790″][quote comment=”291786″][quote comment=”291774″][quote comment=”291760″]That Chiefs shirt is pretty cool, if anyone knows where to get it…I want it. I have a distressed hat that has the same helmet design on the front and thats it, I will try to get a picture of it. Even though its Reebok, I bought it since the logo was not on the outside. Reebok has one of the ugliest logos in sports or business in general.

    Another note, I thought Oregon State looked pretty good in their Bright Red jerseys last night, even better in HD[/quote]

    You meant orange, I hope? May want to calibrate that HDTV if it looked red.[/quote]

    Oregon State looked red to me too. When I glanced over at the game, I absent-mindedly asked myself who USC was playing, because I did not recognize the red-and-black uniforms.

    “Texas Tech? No. Hmm, who could it be? Oregon State? What the hell . . . I would have sworn that their colors were orange and black . . .”[/quote]

    They looked pretty darn orange on both my plasma and my LCD.

    And 100% horrid. The black/orange/black look seemed like a bad high school team. but since they won, this will probably forever be the new OSU home look. :(

    The Mariners have certainly had a long standing non-offensive but boring look. That’s a cool site though, I hope he does more teams, especially teams with some interesting uni history, like the Pirates and A’s.[/quote]

    I’m gonna have to agree with this statement. On my LCD HDTV, the OSU uni’s did have a slight reddish tint to it, but after looking at it for a while, it was more of a deeper (construction worker) orange. And my TV is calibrated. The AP photo did not look like the uni’s that were on my screen last night. The way it looked on my TV had a little more “neon” or “pop” to it.

  • Greg V. | September 26, 2008 at 11:05 am |

    I thought Oregon State looked good in their orange (but red to some) jerseys last night. They seemed especially nice every time ESPN flashed back to the last time OSU beat USC in Corvallis and the Beavers were wearing those old hideous Nike templates with the garish shoulder/chest striping. Note to Nike: less is more.

  • Al | September 26, 2008 at 11:06 am |

    [quote comment=”291789″]Paul, just wondering if you or anyone else has every seen players with their NOB include their roman numeral.[/quote]
    Acie Law IV, formerly of Texas A&M
    http://www.youtube.c...

  • JW | September 26, 2008 at 11:11 am |

    [quote comment=”291806″][quote comment=”291789″]Paul, just wondering if you or anyone else has every seen players with their NOB include their roman numeral.[/quote]
    Acie Law IV, formerly of Texas A&M
    http://www.youtube.c...

    I’d never seen that before the other night and then to see 2 guys was kinda cool

  • LI Phil | September 26, 2008 at 11:11 am |

    [quote comment=”291803″]paul…you mentioned you thought we’d see a one piece sooner rather than later…

    Tomorrow.

    Hey Paul, it’s tomorrow. What’s up with the one-piece talk of yesterday’s comments?[/quote]

    chris, maybe you missed it…paul addressed it yesterday in his tan box:

    [quote comment=”291707″][quote comment=”291692″][quote comment=”291690″][quote comment=”291673″]paul…you mentioned you thought we’d see a one piece sooner rather than later…[/quote]

    Tomorrow.[/quote]

    o rly?

    im intrigued now…[/quote]

    Don’t be. I misunderstood your question (been a crazy day — plumber tearing out my bathroom wall, etc.). So let me clarify: I am NOT suggesting that a one-piece football uniforms will be apparing tomorrow. Nor do I know when such a uniform might debut. I just think it’s gotta be in the pipeline.[/quote]

    it had me fooled too ;)

  • Ben Neureuther | September 26, 2008 at 11:15 am |

    Right now this is the best thing going on in sports. Passion. Excitement. Pure joy. There is nothing better than hitting a WALK OFF GRAND SLAM too keep your team tied for the playoffs. Milwaukee hasnt sniffed the playoffs since 1982. Last nite when I was watching the game I thought to myself, when was the last time i cared this much about a Brewers game in September. Ryan Braun and the Brewers are about something this year and that is making it to the playoffs. Milwaukee and Wisconsin love the Brewers because of their passion for the game and the chance for this to be a truly special season at Miller Park. I love Braun and the Brewers excitement and passion for the game. Untucking a jersey after a game as a tribute to hard working fathers is certainly much better than some ‘pedro porthole.’ Think outside the box for once in your life Paul. GO BREWERS GO…and heres the pic of that NL MVP one more time
    http://sports.espn.g...

  • Pat Soko | September 26, 2008 at 11:15 am |

    Anybody else see Oregon State safety Greg Layborn rockin what I think was an old school neck guard last night? I think it helped him make the interception and near TD return. You can see it here: http://msn.foxsports... FOOTBALL&photo=8608830

  • Tod H. | September 26, 2008 at 11:21 am |

    It must be Friday if we’re arguing over the difference between red and orange.

    By the way, who makes those shoes in the lead pic?

  • LI Phil | September 26, 2008 at 11:26 am |

    [quote comment=”291809″]heres the pic of that NL MVP one more time

    nl mvp[/quote]

    (fixed)

  • Jason | September 26, 2008 at 11:27 am |

    [quote comment=”291811″]It must be Friday if we’re arguing over the difference between red and orange.

    By the way, who makes those shoes in the lead pic?[/quote]

    I’d presume you’re talking about the Converse Chuck Taylor All-Stars that she’s wearing?

  • LI Phil | September 26, 2008 at 11:29 am |

    [quote comment=”291811″]It must be Friday if we’re arguing over the difference between red and orange.

    By the way, who makes those shoes in the lead pic?[/quote]

    paging matt powers…paging matt powers

  • Johnny O | September 26, 2008 at 11:29 am |

    I have a really strange request for my fellow UWers… I was wondering if anyone knew where I could get a camouflage basketball. A normal sized one, not just a mini one. Any help on this would be awesome.

    Another weird thought going through my head today:
    When did undershirts in baseball become kind of the norm? You find almost nobody in today’s ball games who don’t wear an undershirt. Is it possible to pin point an era where undershirts became kind of standard? Or have ball players always worn them and it just wasn’t as noticeable back in the day?

  • adrian | September 26, 2008 at 11:30 am |

    Duke U deserves a little bit of love for this.
    http://library.duke....

  • nididakes | September 26, 2008 at 11:30 am |

    it’s surprising how cool those 90s patriots jerseys look. i actually hate every element individually — the ugly drop shadow, the ridiculous italicized numbers, flying elvis, the red-white-and-blue colors i couldn’t be more sick of (due to overuse more than “patriot”-ism or anti-ibid.) and i remember laughing at them back in the day.

    yet, it’s so much more fun than the current corporatized patriots dark blue and silver

  • Chris in Nashville | September 26, 2008 at 11:31 am |

    [quote comment=”291808″][quote comment=”291803″]paul…you mentioned you thought we’d see a one piece sooner rather than later…

    Tomorrow.

    Hey Paul, it’s tomorrow. What’s up with the one-piece talk of yesterday’s comments?[/quote]

    chris, maybe you missed it…paul addressed it yesterday in his tan box:

    [quote comment=”291707″][quote comment=”291692″][quote comment=”291690″][quote comment=”291673″]paul…you mentioned you thought we’d see a one piece sooner rather than later…[/quote]

    Tomorrow.[/quote]

    o rly?

    im intrigued now…[/quote]

    Don’t be. I misunderstood your question (been a crazy day — plumber tearing out my bathroom wall, etc.). So let me clarify: I am NOT suggesting that a one-piece football uniforms will be apparing tomorrow. Nor do I know when such a uniform might debut. I just think it’s gotta be in the pipeline.[/quote]

    it had me fooled too ;)[/quote]

    Yeah, I stopped reading after that. I was hoping to see some amazing Oregonian outfit. Oh well.

  • Tod H. | September 26, 2008 at 11:31 am |

    [quote comment=”291813″][quote comment=”291811″]It must be Friday if we’re arguing over the difference between red and orange.

    By the way, who makes those shoes in the lead pic?[/quote]

    I’d presume you’re talking about the Converse Chuck Taylor All-Stars that she’s wearing?[/quote]

    Yes, and who makes those?

  • Jason Gomez | September 26, 2008 at 11:35 am |

    So no luck on where I could find that Chiefs shirt?

  • Jason Gomez | September 26, 2008 at 11:35 am |

    [quote comment=”291820″]So no luck on where I could find that Chiefs shirt?[/quote]
    If anyone knows my email is
    gomezj@waterloo.k12.ia.us

  • Chris in Nashville | September 26, 2008 at 11:39 am |

    [quote comment=”291819″][quote comment=”291813″][quote comment=”291811″]It must be Friday if we’re arguing over the difference between red and orange.

    By the way, who makes those shoes in the lead pic?[/quote]

    I’d presume you’re talking about the Converse Chuck Taylor All-Stars that she’s wearing?[/quote]

    Yes, and who makes those?[/quote]

    Everything Chucks related
    http://www.chuckscon...

  • Bryan Redemske | September 26, 2008 at 11:39 am |

    [quote comment=”291821″][quote comment=”291820″]So no luck on where I could find that Chiefs shirt?[/quote]
    If anyone knows my email is
    gomezj@waterloo.k12.ia.us[/quote]

    I used to work at the Waterloo Courier. Crazy.

  • Hunter Dog | September 26, 2008 at 11:42 am |

    Will the chinese shark mascot be missing its fins because they went into shark fin soup over there?

  • Michael | September 26, 2008 at 11:45 am |

    [quote comment=”291805″]I thought Oregon State looked good in their orange (but red to some) jerseys last night.[/quote]

    I’d have to agree, I have turned all my friends into uni-fans, and when we were talkign at half time we were all sayign how much we liked the Orange Uni’s. The color on my LCD looked liek a very rich orange color, and it looked really sharp. I also love their typography, how the tops and bottoms of teh numbers have a cure to them but the sides are flat, it just looked good.

    Also as a side note, USC usually has problems with their jersey numbers, but last night, they were so bunched up there were several players who I couldnt identify because their jerseys were so stretched or bunched up. it looked terrible. Why can’t they fix that?

  • Juan Grande | September 26, 2008 at 11:48 am |
  • Justin in AR | September 26, 2008 at 11:53 am |

    [quote comment=”291819″][quote comment=”291813″][quote comment=”291811″]It must be Friday if we’re arguing over the difference between red and orange.

    By the way, who makes those shoes in the lead pic?[/quote]

    I’d presume you’re talking about the Converse Chuck Taylor All-Stars that she’s wearing?[/quote]

    Yes, and who makes those?[/quote]

    Converse is a subsidiary of Nike. Does that answer your question?

  • Tod H. | September 26, 2008 at 11:54 am |

    [quote comment=”291822″][quote comment=”291819″][quote comment=”291813″][quote comment=”291811″]It must be Friday if we’re arguing over the difference between red and orange.

    By the way, who makes those shoes in the lead pic?[/quote]

    I’d presume you’re talking about the Converse Chuck Taylor All-Stars that she’s wearing?[/quote]

    Yes, and who makes those?[/quote]

    Everything Chucks related
    http://www.chuckscon...

    You’re not really getting what I’m getting at. Doesn’t Nike own Converse. Why no Nike bashing today?

    (And now, Phil, I’ve said the magic word. Look for that N-lovin’ Powers any second now. Actually, lovin’ isn’t strong enough. Brainwashed-drone?)

  • John | September 26, 2008 at 11:59 am |

    [quote comment=”291825″]
    I’d have to agree, I have turned all my friends into uni-fans, and when we were talkign at half time we were all sayign how much we liked the Orange Uni’s. [/quote]

    This statement is not true, I am one of Micheal’s good friends and none of us discussed the orange uniforms or anything for that matter during half time and I can say for my self, I was never and will never be converted into a “uni-fan”.

  • LI Phil | September 26, 2008 at 12:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”291829″][quote comment=”291825″]
    I’d have to agree, I have turned all my friends into uni-fans, and when we were talkign at half time we were all sayign how much we liked the Orange Uni’s. [/quote]

    This statement is not true, I am one of Micheal’s good friends and none of us discussed the orange uniforms or anything for that matter during half time and I can say for my self, I was never and will never be converted into a “uni-fan”.[/quote]

    maybe when you turn 15 you will be

  • Salts | September 26, 2008 at 12:05 pm |

    [quote]
    maybe when you turn 15 you will be[/quote]

    He’s 25 with a real life, not a life spent obsessing what other grown men are wearing.

  • Jason Gomez | September 26, 2008 at 12:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”291828″][quote comment=”291822″][quote comment=”291819″][quote comment=”291813″][quote comment=”291811″]It must be Friday if we’re arguing over the difference between red and orange.

    By the way, who makes those shoes in the lead pic?[/quote]

    I’d presume you’re talking about the Converse Chuck Taylor All-Stars that she’s wearing?[/quote]

    Yes, and who makes those?[/quote]

    Everything Chucks related
    http://www.chuckscon...

    You’re not really getting what I’m getting at. Doesn’t Nike own Converse. Why no Nike bashing today?

    (And now, Phil, I’ve said the magic word. Look for that N-lovin’ Powers any second now. Actually, lovin’ isn’t strong enough. Brainwashed-drone?)[/quote]

    I really dont understand why all the hatred for NIKE? Not just because they are evil either.

  • Paul Lukas | September 26, 2008 at 12:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”291800″]Regarding capitalism’s death… It’s like Mark Twain said, “rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated.” Unlike communism, which pretty much died in 1991, after a brief 74 years. OK, I took the bait, but I just couldn’t pass up the Twain quote…[/quote]

    Dude, haven’t you heard? Washington is totally in the socialism biz, to the tune of $77 gazillion! We’re now officially in the USSA! That’s why the Republican-leaning states are “red states” — could they be any more obvious about their glorious socialistic leanings?! March, my comrades, march!

  • John | September 26, 2008 at 12:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”291830″]
    maybe when you turn 15 you will be[/quote]

    Ha! Go style someone’s hair

  • Paul Lukas | September 26, 2008 at 12:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”291833″][quote comment=”291800″]Regarding capitalism’s death… It’s like Mark Twain said, “rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated.” Unlike communism, which pretty much died in 1991, after a brief 74 years. OK, I took the bait, but I just couldn’t pass up the Twain quote…[/quote]

    Dude, haven’t you heard? Washington is totally in the socialism biz, to the tune of $77 gazillion! We’re now officially in the USSA! That’s why the Republican-leaning states are “red states” — could they be any more obvious about their glorious socialistic leanings?! March, my comrades, march![/quote]

    And that’s the end of that little spat, please. Thank you, come again (or, y’know, don’t).

  • SCH | September 26, 2008 at 12:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”291830″][quote comment=”291829″][quote comment=”291825″]
    I’d have to agree, I have turned all my friends into uni-fans, and when we were talkign at half time we were all sayign how much we liked the Orange Uni’s. [/quote]

    This statement is not true, I am one of Micheal’s good friends and none of us discussed the orange uniforms or anything for that matter during half time and I can say for my self, I was never and will never be converted into a “uni-fan”.[/quote]

    maybe when you turn 15 you will be[/quote]

    could this comment make less sense? hey buddy, go put your referee uniform on, your shift at Footlocker starts in 30 minutes.

  • Valjean | September 26, 2008 at 12:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”291820″]So no luck on where I could find that Chiefs shirt?[/quote]

    Scroll down to the bottom here (sorry for the naked link):
    http://www.distantre...

    I’m a little surprised no one else found it — the link has only been on the top of Uniwatch for … how long?

    Pretty sweet collection in general.

  • LI Phil | September 26, 2008 at 12:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”291831″][quote]
    maybe when you turn 15 you will be[/quote]

    He’s 25 with a real life, not a life spent obsessing what other grown men are wearing.[/quote]

    hey…do i come troll on your warcraft boards? this is a site for “athletics aesthetics”…ya know?

  • Gordon van de Kamp | September 26, 2008 at 12:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”291772″]The new Illinois unis look good except for one thing. What the hell is going on with the waistline on the navy shorts?[/quote]

    If you look closely, it’s not just the navy shorts that have the same waistline trim, all of them do. I believe it’s been that way for a few years on the Illinois basketball uniforms. I had assumed it was one of Nike’s tribal Native American influenced design accents, like the trim on Florida State’s football uniforms, at least that’s the first impression I get when seeing it.

  • John | September 26, 2008 at 12:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”291838″]

    hey…do i come troll on your warcraft boards? this is a site for “athletics aesthetics”…ya know?[/quote]

    Troll your warcraft board? What a nerd!

  • Pat | September 26, 2008 at 12:16 pm |

    Chiefs Shirt:

    This one is close

    The Illinois waistband is a tribute to the old Chief Illiniwek Logo that can’t be used anymore. The same pattern used to be all around the Assembly Hall, I’m not sure if its still there.

    Chief Logo

    The same pattern was on their last uniforms on the waistband and it was also on the back neck.

    Personally I love it.

  • Jason Gomez | September 26, 2008 at 12:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”291837″][quote comment=”291820″]So no luck on where I could find that Chiefs shirt?[/quote]

    Scroll down to the bottom here (sorry for the naked link):
    http://www.distantre...

    I’m a little surprised no one else found it — the link has only been on the top of Uniwatch for … how long?

    Pretty sweet collection in general.[/quote]

    I have seen that shirt before, I dont care for the reebok logo on it. The shirt that was in that picture was a Red Helmet with two bars for a facemask, the one on replays is a one bar.

  • Justin in AR | September 26, 2008 at 12:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”291839″][quote comment=”291772″]The new Illinois unis look good except for one thing. What the hell is going on with the waistline on the navy shorts?[/quote]

    If you look closely, it’s not just the navy shorts that have the same waistline trim, all of them do. I believe it’s been that way for a few years on the Illinois basketball uniforms. I had assumed it was one of Nike’s tribal Native American influenced design accents, like the trim on Florida State’s football uniforms, at least that’s the first impression I get when seeing it.[/quote]

    I was wondering if it was on the other ones. It was only obvious on the navy. I couldn’t tell on their ones. I don’t really know what it is, but I don’t care for it.

  • dwight | September 26, 2008 at 12:22 pm |

    Put me in the category of liking the changes to Oregon St. simplified look, but HATING orange top w/ black pants – or as I’ve mentioned before, any colored top w/ darker pants (cal yellow on blue, wvw yellow on blue, tx tech red on black etc.)

  • Mike Miller | September 26, 2008 at 12:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”291757″]

    I just looked at a video for Letourneau-Leblond and he just has Leblond on the back of his Devils uniform.[/quote]

    Considering the Devils’ large nameplate font, there is NO WAY that would fit.

    They have too much trouble fitting LANGENBRUNNER onto a jersey as it is. The nameplate stretches onto the arms.

    http://cache.daylife...

  • Paul Lukas | September 26, 2008 at 12:51 pm |

    Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

  • CoachKing | September 26, 2008 at 12:56 pm |

    To those who thought Oregon State’s jerseys looked red, maybe it wasn’t your TV and just ESPN’s broadcast

    The video here sure looks red:
    http://sports.espn.g...

  • Ronnie Poore | September 26, 2008 at 12:58 pm |

    regarding the Oregon State jerseys…orange many times looks darker and redder on tv. i remember seeing Tennessee play in person for the first time after only seeing tv games previously. the Vols unis looked almost yellow live. weird.
    likewise Clemson looks a bit reddish orange on tv, but is a truer orange in the flesh.

  • Randy | September 26, 2008 at 1:02 pm |

    Here’s a link I found, that made me think of UniWatch.

    http://www.wwe.com/i...

    WWE superstar Tazz is also a graphic designer of sorts, and has designed his kids’ little league unis, which are pretty ugly, but he’s done some pretty cool shirts for other local sports orgs. Kinda neat, and probably one of the few times WWE.com will be linked here!

    -Randy

  • The Ol Goaler | September 26, 2008 at 1:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”291815″]Another weird thought going through my head today: When did undershirts in baseball become kind of the norm? You find almost nobody in today’s ball games who don’t wear an undershirt. Is it possible to pin point an era where undershirts became kind of standard? Or have ball players always worn them and it just wasn’t as noticeable back in the day?[/quote]
    Since the dawn of the doubleknit era, ballplayers have worn polyester uniforms; most players find them horribly uncomfortable next to their skin, despite efforts to make them “cooler”. So they wear cotton undershirts to soak up the sweat. Back in “the day,” the Dean brothers wore undershirts even with long-sleeved wool flannels (which “breathe”, unlike polyester.)

    Then, there was Ted Kluszewski

  • Andrew | September 26, 2008 at 1:04 pm |

    NFL.com’s shop sells customizable shirts let you create a shirt like the Chiefs shirt for any team, but you have to use the 3/4 view of the helmet instead of the side view.

  • al | September 26, 2008 at 1:10 pm |

    Great article over on espn.com … was there any mention to what will happen to all the cats?

    As for this pic: http://img108.images..., look at the upper deck 5th section from the right :) I used to spell out METS up there in the very early 80s when there were plenty of seats available.

  • Paul Lukas | September 26, 2008 at 1:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”291854″]Great article over on espn.com … was there any mention to what will happen to all the cats?[/quote]

    I’ve been afraid to ask, because I’m sure I won’t like the answer.

    Here’s another interesting question: The architectural firm that designed Shea was Praeger-Kavanaugh-Waterbury. If you google them, you find that they also did the mid-’70s renovation on Yankee Stadium — and that’s it. Almost nothing else comes up. They don’t appear to exist anymore, and I haven’t found records of any other buildlings they designed (not that I’ve looked all that hard beyond google, to be fair).

    When I was taking the video tour, I asked if anyone had been in touch with the arch. firm — after all, this is one of their biggest projects (presumably), and it’s about to be dismantled. The answer I got was a blank stare and “Actually, nobody thought of that. Who was the firm, anyway?”

    Collateral Gammage is an architect herself, and she tells me that arch. firms tend not to last very long. “It’s more about the person, not the firm,” she says. “You rarely hear people say, ‘Such-and-such firm designed this building’ — instead, they talk about the PERSON who designed it.” I had hoped to dig a little deeper and try to find one of the Praeger-Kavanaugh-Waterbury partners, but there wasn’t time. Food for future thought, though.

  • Stuby | September 26, 2008 at 1:26 pm |

    Niners will be retiring Steve Young’s #8 on Oct. 5th…

    http://www.sfgate.co...

  • duker | September 26, 2008 at 1:31 pm |

    Jamison Hensley of the Baltimore Sun says that the Ravens won’t wear their all-black unis this season:

    The second “Hey Jamison!” on this page: http://www.baltimore...

    I guess this is good news for all of you that dislike the “leotard” look that it creates.

    I personally think that it looks stupid on a player by player basis, but when you look at the entire team together wearing it, it looks pretty awesome.

  • cheechoo | September 26, 2008 at 1:32 pm |

    Paul, fascinating Page 2 article. You brought forth so many interesting things about Shea that a non-NYC resident would otherwise assume was a bland, cookie-cutter stadium. Being from Buffalo and an Indians fan, I certainly miss some of the idiosynchrocies of old Cleveland Municipal when my father wouyld take me. I don’t miss the Tribe teams from that era, however! Great stuff, especially the motorized tracks for the football configuration!

  • Walaitis | September 26, 2008 at 1:32 pm |

    Looking briefly through the Seatlle uniform site … so EXACTLY how many uniform numbers has Junior worn over the years? 3, 17, 24, 30, 42 – any others? What would be the MOST numbers worn by one pro athlete? (please … does this HAVE to lead into the argument over whether #42 is “legitimately” used every tax day???)

  • Andrew T. | September 26, 2008 at 2:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”291773″]That Seattle Mariners uni-history site is fantastic! But looking closely at their first year design, what’s up with the letter “i” on their home jerseys?? It’s clearly a lower-case font, but there’s no dot over the “i”, and the “i” is the only letter that has a serif, yet the serif is only on the bottom part of the letter whereas a correct lower-case “i” would have a serif at top and bottom…
    http://mariners.free...

    Bizarro…

    -Jet[/quote]

    Definitely one of the things that bugs you once you really notice it. I always thought it looked like a number 1 with the top serif chopped off.

    And I would love to do more teams’ sites, but I don’t really have the resources to do any others. Most of my info for the Mariners and D-Backs is from programs, baseball cards, yearbooks, videos, and years worth of watching games in person and on TV. So I wouldn’t really know where to begin with most other teams, especially those that date back to far beyond the ’70s.

  • dwight | September 26, 2008 at 2:03 pm |

    Funny to see my college coach (Phil Bradley) in some of those Seattle pics, as well as his best friend and ESPN cast-off Harold Reynolds. Baseball Tonight is NOT as good w/o him.

  • Justin in AR | September 26, 2008 at 2:11 pm |

    Paul, great article on Shea.

  • LI Phil | September 26, 2008 at 2:14 pm |

    the shea piece is, in a word….

    awesome

  • Justin in AR | September 26, 2008 at 2:19 pm |

    Did the Jets use the Mets clubhouse when they played at Shea, or did they have a separate clubhouse? I noticed in one of the pictures it showed the dugout and a door to the baseball clubhouse and a separate door that was labeled football clubhouse, but I wonder if both roads lead to the same place.

  • Stuby | September 26, 2008 at 2:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”291860″][quote comment=”291773″]That Seattle Mariners uni-history site is fantastic! But looking closely at their first year design, what’s up with the letter “i” on their home jerseys?? It’s clearly a lower-case font, but there’s no dot over the “i”, and the “i” is the only letter that has a serif, yet the serif is only on the bottom part of the letter whereas a correct lower-case “i” would have a serif at top and bottom…
    http://mariners.free...

    Bizarro…

    -Jet[/quote]

    Definitely one of the things that bugs you once you really notice it. I always thought it looked like a number 1 with the top serif chopped off.

    And I would love to do more teams’ sites, but I don’t really have the resources to do any others. Most of my info for the Mariners and D-Backs is from programs, baseball cards, yearbooks, videos, and years worth of watching games in person and on TV. So I wouldn’t really know where to begin with most other teams, especially those that date back to far beyond the ’70s.[/quote]
    Weird seeing Omar Vizquel as a #42. Anybody know if wore it in the regular season as depicted in the “Jerseys” section of the Mariners site? Baseball Almanac says he always wore #13.

  • Ben | September 26, 2008 at 2:31 pm |

    Hey Paul…

    Where did you find the picture of the “William A. Shea Memorial Stadium Dedication” that was in your ESPN column? It would be awesome to slap on my barren college dorm room walls…(though I’m sure no poster company has those…)

    http://farm4.static....

  • Paul Lukas | September 26, 2008 at 2:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”291866″]Hey Paul…

    Where did you find the picture of the “William A. Shea Memorial Stadium Dedication” that was in your ESPN column? It would be awesome to slap on my barren college dorm room walls…(though I’m sure no poster company has those…)

    http://farm4.static....

    Google image search.

  • Bryan Redemske | September 26, 2008 at 2:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”291867″][quote comment=”291866″]Hey Paul…

    Where did you find the picture of the “William A. Shea Memorial Stadium Dedication” that was in your ESPN column? It would be awesome to slap on my barren college dorm room walls…(though I’m sure no poster company has those…)

    http://farm4.static....

    Google image search.[/quote]

    Look at the panel of squares on the left — looks like it wasn’t done yet.

  • al | September 26, 2008 at 2:46 pm |

    [quote comment=\”291864\”]Did the Jets use the Mets clubhouse when they played at Shea, or did they have a separate clubhouse? I noticed in one of the pictures it showed the dugout and a door to the baseball clubhouse and a separate door that was labeled football clubhouse, but I wonder if both roads lead to the same place.[/quote]

    just looked it up … the jets had there own locker room and it is still there, mostly for Mets overflow pregame news conferences.

  • Andrew T. | September 26, 2008 at 2:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”291865″][quote comment=”291860″][quote comment=”291773″]That Seattle Mariners uni-history site is fantastic! But looking closely at their first year design, what’s up with the letter “i” on their home jerseys?? It’s clearly a lower-case font, but there’s no dot over the “i”, and the “i” is the only letter that has a serif, yet the serif is only on the bottom part of the letter whereas a correct lower-case “i” would have a serif at top and bottom…
    http://mariners.free...

    Bizarro…

    -Jet[/quote]

    Definitely one of the things that bugs you once you really notice it. I always thought it looked like a number 1 with the top serif chopped off.

    And I would love to do more teams’ sites, but I don’t really have the resources to do any others. Most of my info for the Mariners and D-Backs is from programs, baseball cards, yearbooks, videos, and years worth of watching games in person and on TV. So I wouldn’t really know where to begin with most other teams, especially those that date back to far beyond the ’70s.[/quote]
    Weird seeing Omar Vizquel as a #42. Anybody know if wore it in the regular season as depicted in the “Jerseys” section of the Mariners site? Baseball Almanac says he always wore #13.[/quote]

    That is one question I had that I never cleared up. I used Baseball Almanac for the number references, and I have never seen another picture of him in 42. I don’t think they ever used the regular gray jerseys for Spring Training games, so it remains a mystery.

  • Chris | September 26, 2008 at 3:02 pm |

    Does anyone know what uni the Mets will wear on Sunday, will it be the pinstripes and blue caps; the pinstripes and black caps; the whites and blues caps; the whites and black caps; or the blacks with black caps?

  • LI Phil | September 26, 2008 at 3:02 pm |

    shea made the NYT cover page today

    here’s the story

    interesting to note how much smaller the new park appears in the arial photo on the front page…obviously with 10K less seats it’s gotta be smaller, but those 40K+ seats in citifield will have OUTSTANDING views…most will be much closer to the action

  • LI Phil | September 26, 2008 at 3:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”291871″]Does anyone know what uni the Mets will wear on Sunday, will it be the pinstripes and blue caps; the pinstripes and black caps; the whites and blues caps; the whites and black caps; or the blacks with black caps?[/quote]

    how come no one asked what the yankees were going to wear for the closing of yankee stadium?

  • Mr. Met | September 26, 2008 at 3:07 pm |

    Despite my aversion to (almost) all things Yankees-related, it’s a shame no one did a piece like Paul’s for the Stadium. Although I would imagine a piece like that might run about 4-5 times the length that Paul’s did……

  • Mr. Met | September 26, 2008 at 3:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”291873″][quote comment=”291871″]Does anyone know what uni the Mets will wear on Sunday, will it be the pinstripes and blue caps; the pinstripes and black caps; the whites and blues caps; the whites and black caps; or the blacks with black caps?[/quote]

    how come no one asked what the yankees were going to wear for the closing of yankee stadium?[/quote]

    It would be awesome if they wore throwbacks from the ’60’s for that final game. Complete with rollback prices ala the Cubs from their awesome turn-back-the-clock day vs. the Braves……

  • Paul Lukas | September 26, 2008 at 3:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”291873″][quote comment=”291871″]Does anyone know what uni the Mets will wear on Sunday, will it be the pinstripes and blue caps; the pinstripes and black caps; the whites and blues caps; the whites and black caps; or the blacks with black caps?[/quote]

    how come no one asked what the yankees were going to wear for the closing of yankee stadium?[/quote]

    Post of the day.

  • MPowers1634 | September 26, 2008 at 3:11 pm |

    Well, now…the weekend had definitely started early here on UW!

    I spend a few hours away from UW only to come back and find the inhabitants arguing over:

    1. Orange/Red
    2. Who owns Converse/Nike
    3. My name being used in vain for NO APPARENT REASON…but I digress

    We all seriously need to tone it down…UW is going to lose credibility if the only discourse becomes argumentative.

    I’ll be away fro a week…hanging out with my ladies, Mickey and Minnie down in Orlando.

    I really hope to come back to a harmonious UW and not the bickering bullshit that has been rampants here for awhile.

    Oh, and by the way, in the Illinois team pic, Keller has the same pose that irked us, me, last week! However, their unis are very cool, especially with the nod to Illiniwek!

    And in this time of economic unrest, the methods and business practices of Nike SHOULD be revered and admired…Brainwashed, no…reverent, YES!

  • Stuby | September 26, 2008 at 3:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”291872″]shea made the NYT cover page today

    here’s the story

    interesting to note how much smaller the new park appears in the arial photo on the front page…obviously with 10K less seats it’s gotta be smaller, but those 40K+ seats in citifield will have OUTSTANDING views…most will be much closer to the action[/quote]
    Cool. Also interesting is that the article is written by a guy named Michael Schmidt.

  • Fraser Rodgers | September 26, 2008 at 3:14 pm |

    Hey Paul,

    I have been a regular observer of your website for sometime now. I am well a where of your on going NOB/FNOB documentation. I do play-by-play for a junior team in Victoria, BC, Canada. On the team are two brothers. Tanner & Teal Burns, which you could imagine to make interesting name bars. TE Burns for Teal, and TA Burns for Tanner. I will track down some photos

  • Paul Lukas | September 26, 2008 at 3:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”291877″]UW is going to lose credibility if the only discourse becomes argumentative.[/quote]

    Allow me to be the very first to say that UW’s “credibility” (whatever that even means) is the least of my concerns. New slogan: “Uni Watch: It’s Fucking Incredible!”

    And let’s face it, it is.

  • Andy11 | September 26, 2008 at 3:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”291854″]Great article over on espn.com … was there any mention to what will happen to all the cats?[/quote]

    Shea stadium has cats?

  • Walaitis | September 26, 2008 at 3:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”291878″][quote comment=”291872″]shea made the NYT cover page today

    here’s the story

    interesting to note how much smaller the new park appears in the arial photo on the front page…obviously with 10K less seats it’s gotta be smaller, but those 40K+ seats in citifield will have OUTSTANDING views…most will be much closer to the action[/quote]
    Cool. Also interesting is that the article is written by a guy named Michael Schmidt.[/quote]

    Which made me think that here in St. Louis there is a “Jack Schmidt Chevrolet”, where the tag line (and has been for the 12 years I’ve lived here “If you don’t buy your car here, you don’t know Jack Schmidt!”. Somehow that’s uni-related.

  • LI Phil | September 26, 2008 at 3:16 pm |

    [quote]I’ll be away fro a week…hanging out with my ladies, Mickey and Minnie down in Orlando.[/quote]

    your ladies are named mickey & minnie?

  • lwiedy | September 26, 2008 at 3:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”291855″][quote comment=”291854″]Great article over on espn.com … was there any mention to what will happen to all the cats?[/quote]

    I’ve been afraid to ask, because I’m sure I won’t like the answer[/quote]

    Ya know how the Yanks had Billy Martin’s son introduced in their pre-game ceremony, Mets should have the “grand-kitty” of Ron Santo’s pal run out in front of the dugout Sunday. http://www.mysticvoo... I’m sure he’s under there somewhere.

  • Paul Lukas | September 26, 2008 at 3:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”291881″][quote comment=”291854″]Great article over on espn.com … was there any mention to what will happen to all the cats?[/quote]

    Shea stadium has cats?[/quote]
    [quote comment=”291881″][quote comment=”291854″]Great article over on espn.com … was there any mention to what will happen to all the cats?[/quote]

    Shea stadium has cats?[/quote]

    Tons of feral cats have supposedly lived underneath the stadium for years, or at least that’s what you always hear/read. I do worry about what’s gonna happen to them.

  • LI Phil | September 26, 2008 at 3:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”291881″][quote comment=”291854″]Great article over on espn.com … was there any mention to what will happen to all the cats?[/quote]

    Shea stadium has cats?[/quote]

    just one

  • MPowers1634 | September 26, 2008 at 3:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”291880″][quote comment=”291877″]UW is going to lose credibility if the only discourse becomes argumentative.[/quote]

    Allow me to be the very first to say that UW’s “credibility” (whatever that even means) is the least of my concerns. New slogan: “Uni Watch: It’s Fucking Incredible!”

    And let’s face it, it is.[/quote]

    NO doubt…I don’t think that I need to prfess my love for the site to anyone…but the weekends and some of the random arguments get old!

  • Johnny O | September 26, 2008 at 3:20 pm |

    Amazing article on Shea today, Paul. You made me feel as if I had spent many a night in that stadium. One of your best pieces ever.

  • lwiedy | September 26, 2008 at 3:24 pm |

    Wow, great work on the M’s uni site. The TBTC section is just loaded. My fav is the shot of the guys in the bullpen wearing the Pilots uniforms, one guy wearing sweet stirrups and some hammerhead with bellbottoms. God forbid he should have jeopardized his career by wearing something different for a day.

  • Walaitis | September 26, 2008 at 3:26 pm |

    Those Shea bus shelters make me think of this.

  • MPowers1634 | September 26, 2008 at 3:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”291883″][quote]I’ll be away fro a week…hanging out with my ladies, Mickey and Minnie down in Orlando.[/quote]

    your ladies are named mickey & minnie?[/quote]

    my ladies, along with Mickey and Minnie…Hell, Disney is so great I might well have named my daughters after those two!

  • joe | September 26, 2008 at 3:28 pm |

    its funny the side by side football/baseball drawings are not of what was actually done, based o the drawings it was supposed to be just the 1st base side that moved and the 3rd base side was stationary.

  • Ben | September 26, 2008 at 3:31 pm |

    The Mets wore their white home jerseys last night with their blue caps…I gotta believe that the Official home uni with blue caps will be worn on Sunday, if not the entire weekend. In Charlie Samuels I trust.

  • PDX-Man | September 26, 2008 at 3:35 pm |

    Someone posted a link to a Mariners uniform site a few months back and I bookmarked it (http://marinersunifo...). Not as comprehensive… maybe more of a work in progress. But there’s a few different images there.

  • Mark K | September 26, 2008 at 3:35 pm |

    I know the jerseys are orange but does anyone know what color the beaver is?

  • Skycat | September 26, 2008 at 3:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”291844″]Put me in the category of liking the changes to Oregon St. simplified look, but HATING orange top w/ black pants – or as I’ve mentioned before, any colored top w/ darker pants (cal yellow on blue, wvw yellow on blue, tx tech red on black etc.)[/quote]
    Definitely an improvement over the sports bra look. I too don’t like dark pants, but don’t think white pants would work either. Perhaps a light gray might be the answer.

  • lwiedy | September 26, 2008 at 3:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”291809″]Right now this is the best thing going on in sports. Passion. Excitement. Pure joy. There is nothing better than hitting a WALK OFF GRAND SLAM too keep your team tied for the playoffs. Milwaukee hasnt sniffed the playoffs since 1982. Last nite when I was watching the game I thought to myself, when was the last time i cared this much about a Brewers game in September. Ryan Braun and the Brewers are about something this year and that is making it to the playoffs. Milwaukee and Wisconsin love the Brewers because of their passion for the game and the chance for this to be a truly special season at Miller Park. I love Braun and the Brewers excitement and passion for the game. Untucking a jersey after a game as a tribute to hard working fathers is certainly much better than some ‘pedro porthole.’ Think outside the box for once in your life Paul. GO BREWERS GO…and heres the pic of that NL MVP one more time
    http://sports.espn.g...

    Says who? The best story this season hands-down is the Rays and this week the Twins gained three games on the first-place team with some great games. Why did it take two walk-offs to beat the Bucs? As I said yesterday, good for Milwaukee fans, but there seems to be an insistence that everyone else must love them and what they do. Why?

  • lwiedy | September 26, 2008 at 3:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”291890″]Those Shea bus shelters make me think of this.[/quote]

    I think some of those guys were on the 7 train with J. Rocker

  • Ben Engle | September 26, 2008 at 3:39 pm |

    By the way, I’m not sure if it was mentioned here, but Paul talked about it in his ESPN video/column today…the orange foul poles.

    Citi Field will be the only stadium in MLB to have orange foul poles. http://newyork.mets....

    And I found a picture: http://thumb17.websh...

  • Mark K | September 26, 2008 at 3:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”291899″]By the way, I’m not sure if it was mentioned here, but Paul talked about it in his ESPN video/column today…the orange foul poles.

    Citi Field will be the only stadium in MLB to have orange foul poles. http://newyork.mets....

    And I found a picture: http://thumb17.websh...

    Looks red to me.

  • LI Phil | September 26, 2008 at 3:42 pm |

    [quote]The best story this season hands-down is the Rays and this week the Twins gained three games on the first-place team with some great games. Why did it take two walk-offs to beat the Bucs? As I said yesterday, good for Milwaukee fans, but there seems to be an insistence that everyone else must love them and what they do. Why?[/quote]

    what about the mets? they don’t seem to get any love here on UW

    (do i even need the sarcasm tag?)

    tampa is hands down the worst (sorta) to first story of the year…that’s a slam dunk…minnie is a great story too…the crew could have reasonably expected to compete this year, and so far they have…the whole world’s disdain for the untucking aside, they would be a good nl story…mets…phils…cubs…dodgers…meh

    call me if the cubs make the series and we’ll tawk

    and larry…answer your email

  • Ben Engle | September 26, 2008 at 3:42 pm |

    http://sports.websho...

    hopefully that one is a little bigger

  • Ron V | September 26, 2008 at 3:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”291880″][quote comment=”291877″]UW is going to lose credibility if the only discourse becomes argumentative.[/quote]

    Allow me to be the very first to say that UW’s “credibility” (whatever that even means) is the least of my concerns. New slogan: “Uni Watch: It’s Fucking Incredible!”

    And let’s face it, it is.[/quote]

    OK..I’m a very right wing conservative and if Paul threatened to end this blog, I would turn left and start capaigning for Obama! You are right Paul, UW is F’ing Incredible!…but don’t get any ideas.

  • mmwatkin | September 26, 2008 at 4:09 pm |

    I am having a tough time accessing a lot of the links in the ESPN article. Anyone else?

  • Chuck | September 26, 2008 at 4:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”291871″]Does anyone know what uni the Mets will wear on Sunday, will it be the pinstripes and blue caps; the pinstripes and black caps; the whites and blues caps; the whites and black caps; or the blacks with black caps?[/quote]

    any chance the Mets will “ditch the black next year with the new park? it would make sense to me!

  • LI Phil | September 26, 2008 at 4:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”291880″]New slogan: “Uni Watch: It’s Fucking Incredible!”

    And let’s face it, it is.[/quote]

    ya know…if you were to

    put that on a t-shirt

    i’d buy it

    i’d also buy this gem if i could…

  • Al | September 26, 2008 at 4:20 pm |

    I’m still looking for a “We’re the goddamn Yankees, and the rest of you can go fuck yourselves” t-shirt…

  • Marty | September 26, 2008 at 4:22 pm |

    Best image of the day… Paul’s sweater.
    Loved everything about it.
    Is it vintage? (Most likely)

  • Chris in Nashville | September 26, 2008 at 4:27 pm |

    Off topic but who cares. Remember when we determined that it was faster to run through first than to slide head-first? This engineer agrees with us.

    http://www.eurekaler...

  • LI Phil | September 26, 2008 at 4:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”291907″]I’m still looking for a “We’re the goddamn Yankees, and the rest of you can go fuck yourselves” t-shirt…[/quote]

    yeah…um

    see the second link in post 147

  • Al | September 26, 2008 at 4:33 pm |

    My bad, Phil…

    [BS excuse] I only click on one link per post… [BS excuse]

  • floormaster squeeze | September 26, 2008 at 4:33 pm |

    I liked the confetti look outside Shea. I had never seen that before. It may have been the first but the whole confetti idea has been taken up several notches for the “New Nou” in Barcelona.

    http://www.architect...

  • DJK | September 26, 2008 at 4:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”291825″][quote comment=”291805″]I thought Oregon State looked good in their orange (but red to some) jerseys last night.[/quote]

    I’d have to agree, I have turned all my friends into uni-fans, and when we were talkign at half time we were all sayign how much we liked the Orange Uni’s. The color on my LCD looked liek a very rich orange color, and it looked really sharp. I also love their typography, how the tops and bottoms of teh numbers have a cure to them but the sides are flat, it just looked good.

    [/quote]

    As an aside to my earlier dislike of the OSU unis, I did actually like the jerseys themselves fine, just didn’t like them with the black pants. Put them with their white pants, and IMO would be a much better look.

  • Al | September 26, 2008 at 4:34 pm |

    I didn’t even close my own BS excuse tag. I $uck!

  • lwiedy | September 26, 2008 at 4:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”291901″][quote]The best story this season hands-down is the Rays and this week the Twins gained three games on the first-place team with some great games. Why did it take two walk-offs to beat the Bucs? As I said yesterday, good for Milwaukee fans, but there seems to be an insistence that everyone else must love them and what they do. Why?[/quote]

    what about the mets? they don’t seem to get any love here on UW

    (do i even need the sarcasm tag?)

    tampa is hands down the worst (sorta) to first story of the year…that’s a slam dunk…minnie is a great story too…the crew could have reasonably expected to compete this year, and so far they have…the whole world’s disdain for the untucking aside, they would be a good nl story…mets…phils…cubs…dodgers…meh

    call me if the cubs make the series and we’ll tawk

    and larry…answer your email[/quote]

    And you simply amplified my point. LOTS of great stories and it self-indulgent (in this case) to claim this particular one is. BTW, Braun isn’t even the MVP on his own club, let alone the NL…and for the record I’m not a Cub fan and I do think the Crew winning is good for the game.

  • Paul Lukas | September 26, 2008 at 4:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”291904″]I am having a tough time accessing a lot of the links in the ESPN article. Anyone else?[/quote]

    We overloaded the baseball-fever.com server — their links are now blocked. But we’ve moving those images over onto another server at this very moment. About half of them are already fixed; the rest should be fixed wihtin 10 mins. or so.

    [quote comment=”291908″]Best image of the day… Paul’s sweater.
    Loved everything about it.
    Is it vintage? (Most likely)[/quote]

    A woolen jacket, actually – not a sweater. Yes, vintage. Bought it at a Goodwill in New Orleans in 2005, a few months before Katrina hit. That Goodwill shop, alas, no longer exists.

  • lwiedy | September 26, 2008 at 4:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”291901″][quote]The best story this season hands-down is the Rays and this week the Twins gained three games on the first-place team with some great games. Why did it take two walk-offs to beat the Bucs? As I said yesterday, good for Milwaukee fans, but there seems to be an insistence that everyone else must love them and what they do. Why?[/quote]

    tampa is hands down the worst (sorta) to first story of the year…that’s a slam dunk…[/quote]

    DAMNIT PHIL, you forgot the BAY!

  • MPowers1634 | September 26, 2008 at 5:02 pm |

    This is it for a week…have fun UW!

  • MPowers1634 | September 26, 2008 at 5:04 pm |

    Actually, this is it!

    Please refrain from all sneaker/cleat, football helmet and Oregon uni discussion while I am gone!

  • lwiedy | September 26, 2008 at 5:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”291918″]This is it for a week…have fun UW![/quote]

    Matt, any trips to outlet shops (Nike, etc.) while in O-Town?

  • Peter Wunsch | September 26, 2008 at 5:07 pm |

    Great ESPN piece. Maybe the “old” Mets scorekeeper figured out to help the Mets bullpen. In the Manny Hanny picture, add up the score: I get 8-4; the scoreboard reads 7-4 even the Expos have 4 in in the tenth.

  • LI Phil | September 26, 2008 at 5:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”291917″]DAMNIT PHIL, you forgot the BAY![/quote]

    so sorry lawrence…

    the TAMPA BAY DEVIL RAYS are the hands down story of the year

    larry…you should hook up with powers at dizney when he’s there

  • Chris | September 26, 2008 at 5:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”291905″][quote comment=”291871″]Does anyone know what uni the Mets will wear on Sunday, will it be the pinstripes and blue caps; the pinstripes and black caps; the whites and blues caps; the whites and black caps; or the blacks with black caps?[/quote]

    any chance the Mets will “ditch the black next year with the new park? it would make sense to me![/quote]
    Now, why would they do a thing like that? Black allegedly sells merchandise, which is the point of sports after all, to make as much money as possible with disregard to history and tradition. A better question is, why does ONE team need EIGHT different uni combos? The proof.

  • LI Phil | September 26, 2008 at 5:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”291923″][quote comment=”291905″][quote comment=”291871″]Does anyone know what uni the Mets will wear on Sunday, will it be the pinstripes and blue caps; the pinstripes and black caps; the whites and blues caps; the whites and black caps; or the blacks with black caps?[/quote]

    any chance the Mets will “ditch the black next year with the new park? it would make sense to me![/quote]
    Now, why would they do a thing like that? Black allegedly sells merchandise, which is the point of sports after all, to make as much money as possible with disregard to history and tradition. A better question is, why does ONE team need EIGHT different uni combos? The proof.[/quote]

    more like 162

  • Robb | September 26, 2008 at 5:21 pm |

    Check out this website about a European (American) football league . They have a whole section about rules and equipment/ One page is dedicated just to the different helmets.

    Pretty interesting if you want to waste a few minutes. It is translated by Google though, so some parts get confusing.

  • lwiedy | September 26, 2008 at 5:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”291922″][quote comment=”291917″]DAMNIT PHIL, you forgot the BAY![/quote]

    so sorry lawrence…

    the TAMPA BAY DEVIL RAYS are the hands down story of the year

    larry…you should hook up with powers at dizney when he’s there[/quote]

    Phil you are right, the kitty probably was Casey’s work. Any man who can make a bird fly out of his hat certainly could pull that off. While looking (unsuccessfully) for the bird photo I did find this gem: http://www.flickr.co...

  • lwiedy | September 26, 2008 at 5:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”291926″][quote comment=”291922″][quote comment=”291917″]DAMNIT PHIL, you forgot the BAY![/quote]

    so sorry lawrence…

    the TAMPA BAY DEVIL RAYS are the hands down story of the year

    larry…you should hook up with powers at dizney when he’s there[/quote]

    Phil you are right, the kitty probably was Casey’s work. Any man who can make a bird fly out of his hat certainly could pull that off. While looking (unsuccessfully) for the bird photo I did find this gem: http://www.flickr.co...

    Yes, it’s Bill Rigney. Still a great photo though.

  • Andy11 | September 26, 2008 at 5:31 pm |

    I went to a couple games at Shea when I was a kid. We sat way up in the upper deck both times.
    During one of the games, I remember some guy sitting across the aisle from us holding a 4 foot long stuffed-animal rat, dressed in a Cardinals uniform, and he had it hanging from a noose that he was holding. He kept standing up, yelling, and pretending he was hanging the rat.
    That’s my memory of Shea.

  • Tom Servaux | September 26, 2008 at 5:36 pm |

    It may have been mentioned when they released the jerseys, but I’m surprised nobody pointed out how much Oregon State’s duds looked like this.

  • LI Phil | September 26, 2008 at 5:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”291928″] I remember some guy sitting across the aisle from us holding a 4 foot long stuffed-animal rat, dressed in a Cardinals uniform[/quote]

    this guy?

  • lwiedy | September 26, 2008 at 5:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”291928″]I went to a couple games at Shea when I was a kid. We sat way up in the upper deck both times.
    During one of the games, I remember some guy sitting across the aisle from us holding a 4 foot long stuffed-animal rat, dressed in a Cardinals uniform, and he had it hanging from a noose that he was holding. He kept standing up, yelling, and pretending he was hanging the rat.
    That’s my memory of Shea.[/quote]

    What color was the rat? http://www.capcitysp...

  • Mr. Met | September 26, 2008 at 6:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”291923″][quote comment=”291905″][quote comment=”291871″]Does anyone know what uni the Mets will wear on Sunday, will it be the pinstripes and blue caps; the pinstripes and black caps; the whites and blues caps; the whites and black caps; or the blacks with black caps?[/quote]

    any chance the Mets will “ditch the black next year with the new park? it would make sense to me![/quote]
    Now, why would they do a thing like that? Black allegedly sells merchandise, which is the point of sports after all, to make as much money as possible with disregard to history and tradition. A better question is, why does ONE team need EIGHT different uni combos? The proof.[/quote]

    I wish they actually did use 1B. Alas, they haven’t used that since 1998 or so, save for that one game at Yankee Stadium this season (the one that jump-started Carlos Delgado’s resurgence) where Charlie Samuels’ decided to get all misty-eyed and use it since that would be the last regular season game the Mets would ever play at Yankee Stadium.

  • Mr. Met | September 26, 2008 at 6:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”291932″][quote comment=”291923″][quote comment=”291905″][quote comment=”291871″]Does anyone know what uni the Mets will wear on Sunday, will it be the pinstripes and blue caps; the pinstripes and black caps; the whites and blues caps; the whites and black caps; or the blacks with black caps?[/quote]

    any chance the Mets will “ditch the black next year with the new park? it would make sense to me![/quote]
    Now, why would they do a thing like that? Black allegedly sells merchandise, which is the point of sports after all, to make as much money as possible with disregard to history and tradition. A better question is, why does ONE team need EIGHT different uni combos? The proof.[/quote]

    I wish they actually did use 1B. Alas, they haven’t used that since 1998 or so, save for that one game at Yankee Stadium this season (the one that jump-started Carlos Delgado’s resurgence) where Charlie Samuels’ decided to get all misty-eyed and use it since that would be the last regular season game the Mets would ever play at Yankee Stadium.[/quote]

    I should specify; that should be Away 1B.

  • steve | September 26, 2008 at 6:06 pm |

    The only NY baseball game I’v ever been to was at Shea. Last year in August, the Mets lost to the Braves. Wasn’t a very good game but we had a great time.
    We sat in an upper level box on the 3rd base side. Right out the tunnel was the italian sausage concession, very good.

    My wife took the kids to get some ice cream late in the game so I’m in the box with my sister-in-law and some fat hairy guy with unbuttoned Mets jersey and a wife beater t-shirt comes to sit in our empty seats. Before he could sit down I said, “These are taken”.
    He grumbles back while leaving, “You better not be shittin’ me”.

  • MPowers1634 | September 26, 2008 at 6:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”291920″][quote comment=”291918″]This is it for a week…have fun UW![/quote]

    Matt, any trips to outlet shops (Nike, etc.) while in O-Town?[/quote]

    No way…we’ll be in the parks and SeaWorld the whole week. We rented a great house about 10 minutes away from the Magic Kingdom.

    I live 20 minutes north of Manhattan, so shopping anywhere else is unnecessary. If you live nearby, I’d love to meet up with you…try to get to me through Paul of Phil tonight!

  • MPowers1634 | September 26, 2008 at 7:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”291935″][quote comment=”291920″][quote comment=”291918″]This is it for a week…have fun UW![/quote]

    Matt, any trips to outlet shops (Nike, etc.) while in O-Town?[/quote]

    No way…we’ll be in the parks and SeaWorld the whole week. We rented a great house about 10 minutes away from the Magic Kingdom.

    I live 20 minutes north of Manhattan, so shopping anywhere else is unnecessary. If you live nearby, I’d love to meet up with you…try to get to me through Paul of Phil tonight![/quote]

    sorry…Paul or Phil have my contact info

  • LI Phil | September 26, 2008 at 7:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”291934″]The only NY baseball game I’v ever been to was at Shea. Last year in August, the Mets lost to the Braves. Wasn’t a very good game but we had a great time.
    We sat in an upper level box on the 3rd base side. Right out the tunnel was the italian sausage concession, very good.

    My wife took the kids to get some ice cream late in the game so I’m in the box with my sister-in-law and some fat hairy guy with unbuttoned Mets jersey and a wife beater t-shirt comes to sit in our empty seats. Before he could sit down I said, “These are taken”.
    He grumbles back while leaving, “You better not be shittin’ me”.[/quote]

    that was YOU?

    sorry man

  • MPowers1634 | September 26, 2008 at 7:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”291936″][quote comment=”291935″][quote comment=”291920″][quote comment=”291918″]This is it for a week…have fun UW![/quote]

    Matt, any trips to outlet shops (Nike, etc.) while in O-Town?[/quote]

    No way…we’ll be in the parks and SeaWorld the whole week. We rented a great house about 10 minutes away from the Magic Kingdom.

    I live 20 minutes north of Manhattan, so shopping anywhere else is unnecessary. If you live nearby, I’d love to meet up with you…try to get to me through Paul of Phil tonight![/quote]

    sorry…Paul or Phil have my contact info[/quote]
    Check your e-mail!

  • Benjamin Bonnet | September 26, 2008 at 7:15 pm |

    The Mets are wearing commemorative patches on their hats for Shea Stadium today and I would assume that they will wear them for the remainder of the games this weekend.

  • LI Phil | September 26, 2008 at 7:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”291939″]The Mets are wearing commemorative patches on their hats for Shea Stadium today and I would assume that they will wear them for the remainder of the games this weekend.[/quote]

    yup

    lets hope for pins and blue caps all weekend…and a better finish than tonight’s start

  • dwight | September 26, 2008 at 7:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”291913″][quote comment=”291825″][quote comment=”291805″]I thought Oregon State looked good in their orange (but red to some) jerseys last night.[/quote]

    I’d have to agree, I have turned all my friends into uni-fans, and when we were talkign at half time we were all sayign how much we liked the Orange Uni’s. The color on my LCD looked liek a very rich orange color, and it looked really sharp. I also love their typography, how the tops and bottoms of teh numbers have a cure to them but the sides are flat, it just looked good.

    [/quote]

    As an aside to my earlier dislike of the OSU unis, I did actually like the jerseys themselves fine, just didn’t like them with the black pants. Put them with their white pants, and IMO would be a much better look.[/quote]

    Amen brotha.

  • Justin in AR | September 26, 2008 at 7:57 pm |

    It appears as if the Crew is wearing the throwbacks tonight. I like it.

  • Justin in AR | September 26, 2008 at 8:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”291942″]It appears as if the Crew is wearing the throwbacks tonight. I like it.[/quote]

    Damn, apparently not. Wtf was that about? Do they wear them during BP?

  • Perry | September 26, 2008 at 8:16 pm |

    First college FB team to wear NOB? I know Ohio State started in 1968. Don’t know if anyone did it before.

  • lwiedy | September 26, 2008 at 8:20 pm |

    The Mets look so damn good. I mean I even kinda like the back outline. Really a shame they are so rare. I know some have talked about the % breakdown, anyone know how often they wear these?

  • Bryan | September 26, 2008 at 8:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”291885″][quote comment=”291881″][quote comment=”291854″]Great article over on espn.com … was there any mention to what will happen to all the cats?[/quote]

    Shea stadium has cats?[/quote]
    [quote comment=”291881″][quote comment=”291854″]Great article over on espn.com … was there any mention to what will happen to all the cats?[/quote]

    Shea stadium has cats?[/quote]

    Tons of feral cats have supposedly lived underneath the stadium for years, or at least that’s what you always hear/read. I do worry about what’s gonna happen to them.[/quote]

    There’s plenty of places in Willets Points that I’m sure one or one hundred feral cats could relocate too without being noticed. That’s if the city doesn’t tear Willets Points down next.

  • Angel Santos | September 26, 2008 at 8:40 pm |

    I’m watching the Mets play the Marlins and I noticed that Hanley Ramirez has an All-Star Game decal on the back of his batting helmet. I don’t have a screen shot, but any idea if other teams have done this? Also has it ever been done before? I think it’s a nice touch.

  • Jason | September 26, 2008 at 8:42 pm |

    Former pro wrestler Tazz designs uniforms for local little league and school teams. Article and some photos here.

  • LI Phil | September 26, 2008 at 8:51 pm |

    F*in josh willingham just hit one off this, featured in paul’s shea article

    obviously, ronnie hasn’t read it, because he referred to where the ball hit as “metal”

  • lwiedy | September 26, 2008 at 9:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”291948″]Former pro wrestler Tazz designs uniforms for local little league and school teams. Article and some photos here.[/quote]

    “I’m not Calvin Klein, but I’m pretty good,” said Tazz, who designed his son’s little league baseball team’s uniforms. “Most people are surprised that I have this as a talent, especially if they’ve seen me on TV,”

    Gee what rare qualities in a pro wrestler, good taste AND modesty.

  • LI Phil | September 26, 2008 at 9:11 pm |

    has anyone stuck a mirror under ricko’s nose this week?

  • lwiedy | September 26, 2008 at 9:23 pm |

    Hey Murphy, forget the deek, CATCH THE BALL!

    Jeff Suppan needs to stick with his best pitch…a ball. Seriously, he’s been devastating out of the zone, BP in it.

  • LI Phil | September 26, 2008 at 9:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”291952″]Jeff Suppan needs to stick with his best pitch…a ball.[/quote]

    he’ll be here all week folks…try the pot roast

  • Robb | September 26, 2008 at 9:46 pm |

    I found another one of those helmet golf carts. This one is for Iowa State football. That’s a screen shot from NCAA 08 Football.

  • Kevin C. | September 26, 2008 at 10:15 pm |

    My dad is a union carpenter and talked to the guy today who has the contract to remove the seats from Shea. 140 carpenters will have 15 days to remove all the seats. they want Shea gone and a parking lot by opening day next year.The seats will be removed in pairs with the 3rd seat in between dismantled thrown in a dumpster and a company will make pairs out of those parts. 5 crains will be lowering the seats down. the seats will also be sandblasted to remove all the lead paint. then repainted. i argued that a repainted seat sucks because the seat was at Shea but not the new paint. I would want a seat with all the layers of paint.

  • Ricko | September 26, 2008 at 10:31 pm |

    Those Yankee usis at the stadium swansong were indeed a little too “creamy.” Nice for a nostalgia show, but not wholly accurate. I have never seen a color photo of either Berra or Ford, for example, from their playing days in a uni that color. By the early to mid-50s, manufacturers has figured out how to make white flannels quite white. As a kid, I remember noticing the creamy quality, but only when I saw photos of players who’d played before my time (no, LI Phil, that doess’t mean about the time me and Abner Doubleday’s sister invented the hit-and-run).

    Here’s a 57 Topps showing a Yankee home flannel that isn’t so “creamy.” Most all of the ’57 Topps Yankee cards will show this whiter flannel, and I’ll tell you for sure the early Twins home unis, which were flannel pins, weren’t creamy. At least not THAT. Yeah, the doubleknits are whiter, but leap was from creamy flannel to doubleknit white. Check the ’57 White Sox ,too. Their World Series special white stirrups were clearly white, and clearly the same color as their white home pins.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    And a Whitey Ford photo…
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

  • lwiedy | September 26, 2008 at 10:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”291956″]Those Yankee usis at the stadium swansong were indeed a little too “creamy.” Nice for a nostalgia show, but not wholly accurate. I have never seen a color photo of either Berra or Ford, for example, from their playing days in a uni that color. By the early to mid-50s, manufacturers has figured out how to make white flannels quite white. As a kid, I remember noticing the creamy quality, but only when I saw photos of players who’d played before my time (no, LI Phil, that doess’t mean about the time me and Abner Doubleday’s sister invented the hit-and-run).

    Here’s a 57 Topps showing a Yankee home flannel that isn’t so “creamy.” Most all of the ’57 Topps Yankee cards will show this whiter flannel, and I’ll tell you for sure the early Twins home unis, which were flannel pins, weren’t creamy. At least not THAT. Yeah, the doubleknits are whiter, but leap was from creamy flannel to doubleknit white. Check the ’57 White Sox ,too. Their World Series special white stirrups were clearly white, and clearly the same color as their white home pins.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    And a Whitey Ford photo…
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    Good to see you back, Ricko. I;m with you on the shading of those unis. My theory is that they based it on the current state of 50 year old flannels. I wrote earlier that I have one from ’69 that has yeallowed and I know that it originally was snow white.

  • LI Phil | September 26, 2008 at 10:49 pm |

    [quote]no, LI Phil, that doess’t mean about the time me and Abner Doubleday’s sister invented the hit-and-run[/quote]

    ricko! you’re alive! was gettin worried about ya

  • Martyn | September 26, 2008 at 11:01 pm |

    Paul, you’ll be happy to know that the Toronto Blue Jays are scheduled to play at home on July 1, 2009. That means we should be treated to a new version of their Canada Day jersey.

  • Ricko | September 26, 2008 at 11:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”291958″][quote]no, LI Phil, that doess’t mean about the time me and Abner Doubleday’s sister invented the hit-and-run[/quote]

    ricko! you’re alive! was gettin worried about ya[/quote]

    Saw post about mirror under my nose. Made me think of, “He leads the league in every offensive category, including nose hair.”

    (rimshot)

    re: Yankee creams. Another example of “Let’s do it the way we THINK it was, not the way it REALLY was.”

    Seems to be society-wide trend. Re-defining history so it will read the way we want it read.

    Like the new Tom Cruise movie where they’re now modified the Nazi swastikas on the uniforms in the poster. Guess we’re supposed to worry about offending Nazis now. Cuz of the flap about the way Soviet Union was portrayed in Indy4, I wonder?

    Hey, this is uni-related.
    http://nymag.com/dai...

  • Ricko | September 26, 2008 at 11:07 pm |

    Part Two…

    “Look for confused elderly Tom Cruise fans spitting out popcorn at the first ‘Sig Heil!'”

    Tell you what, it’s a sad comment on our education system if someone thinks only the “elderly” know about “Sig Heil”.

    Or that such people are so easily “confused”. What a piss poor cheap shot from some blackberry-addicted know-it-all.

  • LI Phil | September 26, 2008 at 11:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”291961″]Part Two…

    “Look for confused elderly Tom Cruise fans spitting out popcorn at the first ‘Sig Heil!'”

    Tell you what, it’s a sad comment on our education system if someone thinks only the “elderly” know about “Sig Heil”.

    Or that such people are so easily “confused”. What a piss poor cheap shot from some blackberry-addicted know-it-all.[/quote]

    or that such people spell “sieg” as “sig”

  • LI Phil | September 26, 2008 at 11:14 pm |

    well…johnny o…

    congrats again

    jerry’s starting johan tomorrow (wx permitting)…guess he’s taking it all serious-like

  • Ricko | September 26, 2008 at 11:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”291962″][quote comment=”291961″]Part Two…

    “Look for confused elderly Tom Cruise fans spitting out popcorn at the first ‘Sig Heil!'”

    Tell you what, it’s a sad comment on our education system if someone thinks only the “elderly” know about “Sig Heil”.

    Or that such people are so easily “confused”. What a piss poor cheap shot from some blackberry-addicted know-it-all.[/quote]

    or that such people spell “sieg” as “sig”[/quote]

    Damn, thought I corrected that. Aw, what the hell, if didn’t have a typo you’d think it was an imposter. Damn small keyboards. I learned to type on on old manual Underwood where the keys were about as far apart as a dozen tic tacs dropped on a glass tabletop.

    Anyway, have discovered somethig about college football. If one team is traditional and the other has the “new” look, it’s visually manageable. But when both teams have the “PPPP” looks (Piping, Panels, Placets and Patches), then it’s just…dopey.

  • chance | September 26, 2008 at 11:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”291960″]re: Yankee creams. Another example of “Let’s do it the way we THINK it was, not the way it REALLY was.”

    Seems to be society-wide trend. Re-defining history so it will read the way we want it read.

    Like the new Tom Cruise movie where they’re now modified the Nazi swastikas on the uniforms in the poster. Guess we’re supposed to worry about offending Nazis now. Cuz of the flap about the way Soviet Union was portrayed in Indy4, I wonder?

    Hey, this is uni-related.
    http://nymag.com/dai...

    Ebbets Field Flannels made those uniforms, and they’re the best throwback manufacturer out there. Hands down.

    As for the Tom Cruise poster, given how powerful the swastika is as a visual symbol, how primal it is, how much it can overwhelm any conversation (Godwin’s Law wasn’t articulated because the Internet lends itself towards nuanced, complicated arguments, after all), not surprising that the studio doesn’t want to make it the focal point of their ad campaign.

  • lwiedy | September 26, 2008 at 11:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”291965″][quote comment=”291960″]re: Yankee creams. Another example of “Let’s do it the way we THINK it was, not the way it REALLY was.”

    Seems to be society-wide trend. Re-defining history so it will read the way we want it read.

    Like the new Tom Cruise movie where they’re now modified the Nazi swastikas on the uniforms in the poster. Guess we’re supposed to worry about offending Nazis now. Cuz of the flap about the way Soviet Union was portrayed in Indy4, I wonder?

    Hey, this is uni-related.
    http://nymag.com/dai...

    Ebbets Field Flannels made those uniforms, and they’re the best throwback manufacturer out there. Hands down.
    [/quote]

    And that’s why they are correct?

  • Johnny O | September 26, 2008 at 11:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”291963″]well…johnny o…

    congrats again

    jerry’s starting johan tomorrow (wx permitting)…guess he’s taking it all serious-like[/quote]

    Thanks for the kind congrats LI Phil… Hopefully the rain will subside and you guys can get your game in 2morrow. It’s gonna be a fun weekend. A nervous weekend, but fun.

    Time to un-tuck ’em boys!!!

  • Ricko | September 26, 2008 at 11:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”291965″][quote comment=”291960″]re: Yankee creams. Another example of “Let’s do it the way we THINK it was, not the way it REALLY was.”

    Seems to be society-wide trend. Re-defining history so it will read the way we want it read.

    Like the new Tom Cruise movie where they’re now modified the Nazi swastikas on the uniforms in the poster. Guess we’re supposed to worry about offending Nazis now. Cuz of the flap about the way Soviet Union was portrayed in Indy4, I wonder?

    Hey, this is uni-related.
    http://nymag.com/dai...

    Ebbets Field Flannels made those uniforms, and they’re the best throwback manufacturer out there. Hands down.

    As for the Tom Cruise poster, given how powerful the swastika is as a visual symbol, how primal it is, how much it can overwhelm any conversation (Godwin’s Law wasn’t articulated because the Internet lends itself towards nuanced, complicated arguments, after all), not surprising that the studio doesn’t want to make it the focal point of their ad campaign.[/quote]

    I suppose, but considering that’s what the movie is ABOUT…it’s really like polical correctness carried to an unlealthy extreme. What next, we gonna go back onto the computer and change all the bad guys unis in INDY 1 and INDY 3? Change the dialogue? “Noozies. I hate these guys.”

    Not all worked up about it, just is a “brow furrower,” that’s all.

    —Ricko

  • =bg= | September 26, 2008 at 11:36 pm |

    Collateral Gammage. That’s a really good name.

  • LI Phil | September 26, 2008 at 11:38 pm |

    [quote]just is a “brow furrower,” that’s all.[/quote]

    a brau furherer?

    i’ll be here all week

  • Ricko | September 26, 2008 at 11:39 pm |

    re: Ebbets. Looks like Yankees just had one look for everyone who played before double knits. Yankee unis may have been creamy in 40s, but guys like Berra and Ford wore the whiter versions a lot longer than they wore the cream. And Mantle or Maris probably never did. Especially Maris.

  • Ricko | September 26, 2008 at 11:47 pm |
  • 5w30 | September 27, 2008 at 1:42 am |

    [quote comment=”291881″][quote comment=”291854″]Great article over on espn.com … was there any mention to what will happen to all the cats?[/quote]

    Shea stadium has cats?[/quote]
    Tell that to Ronnie Santo!

  • John Doodigian | September 27, 2008 at 6:32 am |

    The Ohashi/Oohashi thing is quite common in Japan and rarely do you see the long vowel mark. Adding an “h” is the most common convention, but you see the double vowels as well. It depends on who taught them English in Junior High. Some Japanese teachers of English also use “s” or sometimes a “z” for “sh” and “tu” for “tsu” and there isn’t any consistency to how romaji (roman characters) are used. Nissin (the Cup Noodle company) and Mazda are pronounced “ni-shin” and “Matsuda” in Japanese.

  • John Doodigian | September 27, 2008 at 6:38 am |

    Oops-that “z” should be with the “tsu”.

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  • Fernando | September 28, 2008 at 7:04 pm |

    According to a user on Yahoo! Answers, the font on the Real Madrid jerseys (http://www.realmadri...) is Peignot D Medium.

    That “1” is too close to a “7” for my tastes. But i still like it better than the font they used to have: http://img.auctiva.c...

    They’ve had some strange font choices in the past:
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