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Uni Watch Book Club: The College Vault Series

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With NCAA football back in full swing, this is a good time to talk about a really great book series that some of you may already know about: the College Vault series, an ongoing program of volumes, each one devoted to the history of a particular school’s football program. It’s a pretty damn impressive series, for reasons that go way beyond the quality of the writing (not bad) and photos (quite good).

Here’s the deal: The College Vault books aren’t just books — they’re more like scrapbooks, only really high-end ones. Each edition comes in a clipcase. Once you start paging through the book, you’ll find that almost every spread has some sort of bonus memorabilia item: old tickets inside of pasted-in envelopes, schedules tucked into pockets (all of which can be removed and fondled, natch), postcards (here’s another view, and here are some additional examples), hidden slots that reveal old brochures (here’s the flip side), taped clippings, more tickets, and even a mini-pennant (here’s a full view).

Naturally, none of it is original, but the reproductions appear to have been done with a good eye for detail, and it’s fun to discover all the different treasures waiting in the various pockets and slots. It’s more like a toy than a book. And as a former book editor, I can tell you that all those pockets and envelopes and inserts must have been a total beast to produce. I’m frankly surprised that the books list for only $50 (and go for more like $35 to $39 on Amazon).

All the pics shown above are from the Notre Dame Vault. I also have Michigan (here’s a slideshow) and Ohio State (sorry, no photos, but you get the idea). They’re all very nice, but I’m not a huge fan of any of those teams — or of any other college football team, frankly — so I’ve decided to unload them. Let’s try this: If we can get 20 new enrollees in the membership program by the end of next week, I’ll raffle all three of them off (oh, and for what it’s worth, we’re just a few enrollees away from our 600th member, which means someone will be getting a special seal on his or her card); if not, I’ll offer them for sale at a discounted price. Cool? Cool.

Research Project: “Went to the Mariners game on Tuesday night with Neyer,” says Jeff Bower. “One question that came up was this: “Who was the first ballplayer to have a tilde used in his NOB? We figured you would know the answer or be insane enough to track it down. I guessed Alex Treviño.”

I can’t recall if we’ve covered this before, but I agree that Treviño (who according to this page began wearing the tilde in 1980) is a likely candidate. If you know of any earlier examples, speak up.

Uni Watch News Ticker: Several people wrote in to tell me that one of the officials in Sunday’s Browns/Cowboys game appeared to be wearing non-standard socks, but only Brendon Yarian came up with a photo. … Tons — and I mean tons — of great old Shea Stadium photos (including lots of Jets-related images, and a link to some 1964 amateur film footage) can be found in this thread. … Good uni-related content on this U. of Wisconsin Q&A page (with thanks to Matt Brukman). … Alternately fascinating and horrifying article here about the Collegiate Licensing Company’s product-screening process (with thanks to Nathan Gemignani). … The Colts PR dept. has informed me that the patch they wore on Sunday night was a one-time deal to mark the opening of the stadium. It won’t be worn again (which means enough space to erect a small office tower will now open up on the team’s jersey). … Here’s the latest re: Devin Hester’s number. … Speaking of the Bears, according to this item, “A source said [Bears] players lobbied Lovie Smith to wear the [white-on-white] combination all season on the road instead of their blue pants,” although it’s not clear if Smith has granted the request. Personally, I have no probably with the white pants, but they need to wear them with the proper socks, instead of these (with thanks for Bob Stokas). … If you’re dying to have a game-worn Cerveceros jersey, look here (with thanks to Jeff Ash, who’s also put together a photo gallery from a 1941 Packers/Lions game). … New Xavier logo style sheets here (with thanks to Adam McCracken). … Pretty damn complete overview of the NFL’s captaincy situation here (with thanks to Trevor Williams). … Awesome-looking (but overpriced) catalog here. … Here’s a good look at the patch that college football officials are wearing (it’s just barely visible on the ref’s left sleeve; thanks to Conor Clougherty for the patch photo). … Interesting find by Matt Powers, who stumbled across this shot of a kid wearing a DNA facemask on a non-DNA helmet. … FNOB alert: Joe Washington (thanks, Ricko). … What the hell is this? It’s the Single Speed [biking] World Championship, of course. Details here, photo gallery here, and literally hundreds of additional photos here. … Here’s something I’d forgotten about until I stumbled across it in an old yearbook: Ralph Kiner, in addition to broadcasting Mets game, also served on occasion as a spring training hitting instructor, complete with a Mets uniform. That shot is from 1971. Dig the fancy-shmancy “video replay machine.” … The White Sox hosted “Blackhawks Night” on Tuesday, resulting in this scene. … Further evidence of Cool Base armpit yellowing (as documented by eagle-eyed Nicole Haase). … James Ballow just “won” — if you can call it that — this futuristic Angels jersey. … Totally stinkin’ rich guys Warren Buffet and Jack Welch bought and sold the entire fucking country while you weren’t looking threw and caught the first pitch at Fenway the other night (video clip here). Buffet wore a No. 1/16 jersey for the occasion, which refers to the fraction of his net worth that would be needed to purchase the Red Sox, Fenway, and Theo Epstein’s gorilla costume. … New Maple Leafs center ice treatment here. … Here’s a new (to Uni Watch) shot of Dave Kingman wearing white shoes. … And check out Seaver and Gentry inspecting the field after the postgame carnage following the 1969 World Series win. … My Page 2 colleague Kurt Snibbe did some fun logo tweaking the other day. … Someone Doesn’t Get It™ (but Stu Taylor does). …The Hurricanes have unveiled their new third jersey, which will look like this. John Muir wonders if they got their inspiration from Team Canada. … Should’ve mentioned earlier this week that last weekend’s Virginia Tech throwbacks looked great (thanks to K. Zane Tuck for the reminder). … Expect MLB teams to be wearing the star-spangled caps tonight. But the Mets have an off day, so they wore the caps last night. … Surprising that nobody had mentioned this until now, but Matt Powers notes that Ladainian Tomlinson’s new facemask is arguably even scarier than the one he wore last year. … Remember how the NFL said Chad Whatshisname had to settle “a financial obligation to Reebok” before he could wear his new name on his jersey? Turns out that obligation is huge (thanks to Minna H.). … Yet another example of a minor league team wearing shorts. “The team is Ft. Worth Cats,” writes Josh Jarmon. “The team wore the shorts during a few exhibition games prior to the 1950 season. The player in the picture is future MLB manager Dick Williams. The photo is from the book Baseball in Ft. Worth, by Mark Presswood and Chris Holaday.

 

305 comments to Uni Watch Book Club: The College Vault Series

  • MPowers1634 | September 11, 2008 at 9:07 am |

    http://media.cnbc.co...

    1. I had read that Buffett has always been chummy with uber-obscenely rich-nerd Bill Gates, his preferred picthing and catching partner!

    2. What nefarious methods can we infer mr. Buffett used to get his hands on that uni?

    Perhaps, he paid to have Ted Williams unfrozen and removed him from his person!

    BTW…I can now leave this Earth happy…two ticker mentions in one day!

  • Original Jim | September 11, 2008 at 9:13 am |

    Paul, your link to the U of Miami Hurricanes leads to the Carolina Hurricanes.

    If Miami does have a hockey team, it’s probably at the club level, not an official varsity sport.

  • Stuby | September 11, 2008 at 9:18 am |

    What the hell was that uniform Warren Buffett was wearing? I can’t find a year when the Sox had pinstripes at home with the name across the front.

    Also, what the hell was Darren Rovell wearing? Looked like he was about to go for a round of golf, but with a tie on.

  • LI Phil | September 11, 2008 at 9:19 am |

    [quote]I can now leave this Earth happy…two ticker mentions in one day![/quote]

    congrats…id have been happy with one (pelf in stars & stripes cap)

  • Carl Carlson-Drexler | September 11, 2008 at 9:20 am |

    The story about “Miami” wearing black at home is really about the Carolina Hurricanes. That’s Eric Staal… the evidently not well enough known face of the franchise… in the picture wearing the jersey whose crest is the secondary logo the Canes have been wearing on their shoulders since at least last year. There is no actual reference to Miami in it at all. It’s also coming from a North Carolina paper.

  • Roger Faso | September 11, 2008 at 9:23 am |

    I found some more logo tweaking, here …

    http://www.flickr.co...

  • WarDameEagle | September 11, 2008 at 9:23 am |

    I think the Bears are wearing the proper socks with the all-white look. Those sock stripes match the stripes on the white jersey (blue – orange – blue). The three-orange striped socks only match up with the home navy jersey.

  • LI Phil | September 11, 2008 at 9:25 am |

    [quote comment=”288866″]What the hell was that uniform Warren Buffett was wearing? I can’t find a year when the Sox had pinstripes at home with the name across the front.[/quote]

    perhaps it’s this one?

  • Dave | September 11, 2008 at 9:27 am |

    Carolina Hurricanes “traditional” uniforms?? They’ve only been wearing the Red Wings Wanna-Be suits for 10 years. Your traditional uniforms are green Cooperalls.

  • LI Phil | September 11, 2008 at 9:29 am |

    [quote comment=”288871″][quote comment=”288866″]What the hell was that uniform Warren Buffett was wearing? I can’t find a year when the Sox had pinstripes at home with the name across the front.[/quote]

    perhaps it’s this one?[/quote]

    that uni’s from 1931, and his YOB is 1930 (1930 uni-no RED SOX on front)…so maybe that’s what he was going for?

  • Dave | September 11, 2008 at 9:30 am |

    And while I’m at it, why does Chad Mucho Stinko have to pay for Reebok’s jerseys? He didn’t put a gun to Reebok’s head and say “profit from my likeness or else,” now, did he?

  • C W | September 11, 2008 at 9:36 am |

    My question re: Senor Ocho…why don’t the Bengals just give him an “Ocho Cinco” jersey to wear and say, “Sorry, the league rules require us to put the players’ legal names on the jersey.” If they want to kowtow to Reebok, what’s stopping anyone from trying the “He Hate Me” route and using the “Johnson is not his legal name, either” as their defense (well, besides common sense, of course.)

  • Paul Lukas | September 11, 2008 at 9:37 am |

    [quote comment=”288865″]Paul, your link to the U of Miami Hurricanes leads to the Carolina Hurricanes.

    If Miami does have a hockey team, it’s probably at the club level, not an official varsity sport.[/quote]

    Sigh. Guess who was juggling way too many different tasks yesterday?

  • Stuby | September 11, 2008 at 9:42 am |

    [quote comment=”288874″][quote comment=”288871″][quote comment=”288866″]What the hell was that uniform Warren Buffett was wearing? I can’t find a year when the Sox had pinstripes at home with the name across the front.[/quote]

    perhaps it’s this one?[/quote]

    that uni’s from 1931, and his YOB is 1930 (1930 uni-no RED SOX on front)…so maybe that’s what he was going for?[/quote]
    Dang, how did I miss those years? You’d think he would’ve splurged for the correct cap, though.

  • Teebz | September 11, 2008 at 9:43 am |

    I guess Paul also missed our hijacking of Tuesday’s comment section to yap about the new Carolina Hurricanes’ threads. ;o)

  • Stuby | September 11, 2008 at 9:43 am |

    [quote comment=”288879″]I guess Paul also missed our hijacking of Tuesday’s comment section to yap about the new Carolina Hurricanes’ threads. ;o)[/quote]
    shhh…

  • My Name is Not Earl | September 11, 2008 at 9:48 am |

    Read that blurb on Hester’s number, and it made me wonder: How does Dallas Clark, a tight end, get away with wearing 44?

  • Joe Hilseberg | September 11, 2008 at 9:49 am |

    http://sports.yahoo....

    “If Reebok asked Ocho Cinco to pay for the cost of making the unsold jerseys, the total could reach upwards of $4 million (or $50 million pesos).”

    So what we can figure from that it that at most it costs Reebok $40-$45 to make a replica jersey??? I think Ocho Stinko is getting ripped off in that deal. They can’t cost more than $10 – $15 to produce in those quantities.

  • MPowers1634 | September 11, 2008 at 9:54 am |

    [quote comment=”288867″][quote]I can now leave this Earth happy…two ticker mentions in one day![/quote]

    congrats…id have been happy with one (pelf in stars & stripes cap)[/quote]

    As well you should be, Mr. Hecken…your exalted status on UW is undeniable though

  • Kevin | September 11, 2008 at 9:54 am |

    USA Soccer: black unis or just wet navy unis?

  • Giancarlo | September 11, 2008 at 9:54 am |

    Well done on the logo-tweaking, very funny. But as a uni-watcher I would be remiss not to point out that the Dolphins haven’t used that “in-the-sun” logo since 1973.

  • Bryan Redemske | September 11, 2008 at 9:55 am |

    The best part about Warren Buffett going full-uni for that first pitch was that it wasn’t the first time he’s done it. We (at the newspaper) have pictures of him in various Omaha Royals uniforms, too.

    And a couple of years ago, when LeBron James was in town for a consultation with the Great and Powerful Oz, Buffett came to the lunch meeting in a full Cavaliers uniform … including a headband and the high-tops.

  • JTH | September 11, 2008 at 9:56 am |

    [quote comment=”288870″]I think the Bears are wearing the proper socks with the all-white look. Those sock stripes match the stripes on the white jersey (blue – orange – blue). The three-orange striped socks only match up with the home navy jersey.[/quote]
    I agree. It would also be nice to see a set of socks that match the orange jerseys instead of wearing the blue-topped/orange-striped ones. http://upload.wikime...

  • Ricko | September 11, 2008 at 10:02 am |

    [quote comment=”288887″][quote comment=”288870″]I think the Bears are wearing the proper socks with the all-white look. Those sock stripes match the stripes on the white jersey (blue – orange – blue). The three-orange striped socks only match up with the home navy jersey.[/quote]
    I agree. It would also be nice to see a set of socks that match the orange jerseys instead of wearing the blue-topped/orange-striped ones. http://upload.wikime...

    Or these could burn the Orange jerseys, seeing as they’re a cheap gimmick anyway.

    Cuz if there’s one thing the NFL won’t stand for, it’s cheap gimmicks. (snicker)

    —Ricko

  • Ryan | September 11, 2008 at 10:07 am |

    “Ladainian Tomlinson’s new facemask is arguably even scarier than the one he wore last year.”

    Serious question here…can players just up and design whatever look of facemask they so choose? Does the NFL have to approve at some point? If LDT is going to wear some unique mask every year, I’m sure there are going to be other players trying to out-do him. Here’s a thought…why doesn’t he add studs or spikes to the front of his mask to ward off hapless defenders who attempt hands-to-the-face? (ok, so that last part wasn’t so serious). But seriously…what’s the deal here?

  • bobwool | September 11, 2008 at 10:07 am |

    Players changing their name occurs occasionally. I remember about 10-12 years ago a Browns/Ravens WR changing his name from Michael Jackson to Dyson (turns out for just one game). I don’t remember hearing that he had to buy out any existing jerseys. Back in 2006 CB William Peterson changed his name to William James, and again no mention that he had to buy any jerseys. I am not a fan of Chad, but this is a huge joke, and emplifies what the NFL (and their partners) is all about these days – greed.

  • Duckstyle | September 11, 2008 at 10:15 am |

    [quote comment=”288884″]USA Soccer: black unis or just wet navy unis?[/quote]

    Wet gray unis, actually.

  • Nicole | September 11, 2008 at 10:15 am |

    I saw the Wisconsin version of that book at Sam’s Club for $30. It promptly went on my Christmas list. In fact, for that person, it’s the ONLY thing on my list, so I’d better be getting it. They’re super cool and $30 is a steal!

  • mmwatkin | September 11, 2008 at 10:17 am |

    Chad Johnson changing his name is dumb.

    What is even dumber is that Reebok wants him to pay for the existing merchandise. What if he was traded to a different team? What if he married and took on his wifes last name? Would he have to pick up the bill for the remaining jerseys in those situations? Probably not

    What is even worse is that the NFL won’t let him wear his legal last name, even though they acknowledged it, until he settles the dispute with Reebok.

    That should tell yo ueverything you have to know about who really runs the No Fun League these days.

    That’s why I stick to College Football.

  • LI Phil | September 11, 2008 at 10:20 am |

    [quote comment=”288883″][quote comment=”288867″][quote]I can now leave this Earth happy…two ticker mentions in one day![/quote]

    congrats…id have been happy with one (pelf in stars & stripes cap)[/quote]

    As well you should be, Mr. Hecken…your exalted status on UW is undeniable though[/quote]

    thanks but i’ve legally changed my name to LI Phil dos

  • SaveFarris | September 11, 2008 at 10:21 am |

    So the NFL is going to force Devin Hester to change jerseys while simultaneously forcing Chad Eighty Five to keep his old jersey?

    It’s FAN-tastic!

  • LI Phil | September 11, 2008 at 10:22 am |

    [quote]Chad Johnson changing his name is dumb…What if he married and took on his wifes last name?

    comment of the day

  • dilbert719 | September 11, 2008 at 10:22 am |

    [quote comment=”288890″]Back in 2006 CB William Peterson changed his name to William James, and again no mention that he had to buy any jerseys. [/quote]

    I can’t say much about the rest of the comment, but William James might not have had to buy back any Will Peterson jerseys because he hadn’t played football in over a year prior. It could also be because he changed his name when he left NY to play for the Eagles. They certainly don’t force players to buy old stock when they switch teams, so that may have had something to do with it.

  • marc | September 11, 2008 at 10:22 am |

    [quote comment=”288890″]Players changing their name occurs occasionally. I remember about 10-12 years ago a Browns/Ravens WR changing his name from Michael Jackson to Dyson (turns out for just one game). I don’t remember hearing that he had to buy out any existing jerseys.[/quote]

    the difference here is michael jackson/dyson/jackson wasn’t in the same stratosphere as c. johnson and likely only had about a dozen replicas floating around cleveland on the discount rack at walgreens. if i’m not mistaken, jackson/dyson/jackson changed his number from 80-something to #1 for that game as well… or at least he tried to. i believe this happened before keyshawn went to #17 so there weren’t a lot of non-80s at the WR position. frankly, IMHO, any non-80 numbers at the WR position in the NFL is bush-league.

  • WarDameEagle | September 11, 2008 at 10:22 am |

    [quote comment=”288892″]I saw the Wisconsin version of that book at Sam’s Club for $30. It promptly went on my Christmas list. In fact, for that person, it’s the ONLY thing on my list, so I’d better be getting it. They’re super cool and $30 is a steal![/quote]

    I got the Auburn version last Christmas as a gift. It’s a fantastic book. Lots of really cool pics.

  • Chad | September 11, 2008 at 10:23 am |

    [quote comment=”288881″]Read that blurb on Hester’s number, and it made me wonder: How does Dallas Clark, a tight end, get away with wearing 44?[/quote]

    and clark isn’t the only TE on the team with a number in the 40s http://sports.espn.g...

  • bufnstuf | September 11, 2008 at 10:24 am |

    Like Chad did last year, Reebok shold make velcro “Ocho Cinco” nameplates. Have him warm up with “Ocho Cinco” and then rip it off before the game – now there’s a money maker!

    Also, what happened to the thousands of jersey’s from last year that have the old NFL logo? Does the NFL have to buy those up?

  • cisko | September 11, 2008 at 10:29 am |

    Amusing quiz yesterday from Mental Floss: identify the eyes from NFL logos. Probably a bit easy for this crowd, but still fun.

  • marc | September 11, 2008 at 10:30 am |

    [quote comment=”288901″]Like Chad did last year, Reebok shold make velcro “Ocho Cinco” nameplates. Have him warm up with “Ocho Cinco” and then rip it off before the game – now there’s a money maker![/quote]

    Reebok should also make up jersey’s with an “Eight Five” nameplate to sell in Latin countries for when their fans want to have “Non-Latin American Night” at their sporting events.

  • chance | September 11, 2008 at 10:32 am |

    [quote comment=”288882″]http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/It-ll-cost-mucho-dinero-for-Chad-Ochocinco-to-sw?urn=nfl,106605

    “If Reebok asked Ocho Cinco to pay for the cost of making the unsold jerseys, the total could reach upwards of $4 million (or $50 million pesos).”

    So what we can figure from that it that at most it costs Reebok $40-$45 to make a replica jersey??? I think Ocho Stinko is getting ripped off in that deal. They can’t cost more than $10 – $15 to produce in those quantities.[/quote]

    I’d tend to think that they’re including all the shipping costs, everything that it takes to get the jerseys onto the shelves.

  • chance | September 11, 2008 at 10:36 am |

    [quote comment=”288893″]Chad Johnson changing his name is dumb.

    What is even dumber is that Reebok wants him to pay for the existing merchandise. What if he was traded to a different team? What if he married and took on his wifes last name? Would he have to pick up the bill for the remaining jerseys in those situations? Probably not

    What is even worse is that the NFL won’t let him wear his legal last name, even though they acknowledged it, until he settles the dispute with Reebok.

    That should tell yo ueverything you have to know about who really runs the No Fun League these days.

    That’s why I stick to College Football.[/quote]

    Riiight.

    Because money doesn’t have any sway over college football.

  • mmwatkin | September 11, 2008 at 10:40 am |

    [quote comment=”288905″][quote comment=”288893″]Chad Johnson changing his name is dumb.

    What is even dumber is that Reebok wants him to pay for the existing merchandise. What if he was traded to a different team? What if he married and took on his wifes last name? Would he have to pick up the bill for the remaining jerseys in those situations? Probably not

    What is even worse is that the NFL won’t let him wear his legal last name, even though they acknowledged it, until he settles the dispute with Reebok.

    That should tell yo ueverything you have to know about who really runs the No Fun League these days.

    That’s why I stick to College Football.[/quote]

    Riiight.

    Because money doesn’t have any sway over college football.[/quote]

    I never said that College football wasn’t swayed by money.

    What I am saying is that the Chad johnson situation is obviously an example of the NFL using their uniform supplier to prevent C. Johnson from having “Ocho Cinco” on his jersey.

    I hate Chad Johnson (not even the best receiver on his team) but the NFL is pathetic.

    Plus…the college game is just better, IMO

  • Tree Missile | September 11, 2008 at 10:47 am |

    [quote comment=”288865″]Paul, your link to the U of Miami Hurricanes leads to the Carolina Hurricanes.

    If Miami does have a hockey team, it’s probably at the club level, not an official varsity sport.[/quote]

    There’s only one varsity hockey program in the entire Southeast United States, and that’s at UAH in Alabama.

  • MPowers1634 | September 11, 2008 at 10:54 am |

    Deep Thoughts
    by MPowers:

    1. I LOVE the Bears blue striped socks with either pants, however what are those 21 decals for?:
    http://static.nfl.co...

    2. We at UW are ridiculously observant:
    http://farm4.static....

    3. I find the new Xavier Muskateer to be very similar to a character associated with another letter within the alphabet:
    http://i99.photobuck...

    4. I’m very happy to live in a country where we have the opportunity to obsess about such paltry topics as sports and their attire…9/11 rant over!

  • Hot Rodd | September 11, 2008 at 10:55 am |

    [quote comment=”288902″]Amusing quiz yesterday from Mental Floss: identify the eyes from NFL logos. Probably a bit easy for this crowd, but still fun.[/quote]

    Well I bombed it, lol

  • MPowers Uno Seis Tres Quatro | September 11, 2008 at 10:58 am |

    [quote comment=”288894″][quote comment=”288883″][quote comment=”288867″][quote]I can now leave this Earth happy…two ticker mentions in one day![/quote]

    congrats…id have been happy with one (pelf in stars & stripes cap)[/quote]

    As well you should be, Mr. Hecken…your exalted status on UW is undeniable though[/quote]

    thanks but i’ve legally changed my name to LI Phil dos[/quote]

    You have started a trend…check the handle!

  • JTH | September 11, 2008 at 11:00 am |

    [quote comment=”288895″]So the NFL is going to force Devin Hester to change jerseys while simultaneously forcing Chad Eighty Five to keep his old jersey?

    It’s FAN-tastic![/quote]
    Nah, that’s just a Sun-Times columnist blogging that the NFL should force him to change it if they follow their own rules.

  • Teebz | September 11, 2008 at 11:01 am |

    [quote comment=”288909″][quote comment=”288902″]Amusing quiz yesterday from Mental Floss: identify the eyes from NFL logos. Probably a bit easy for this crowd, but still fun.[/quote]

    Well I bombed it, lol[/quote]

    Ironically, for a guy who can’t stand the NFL, I got 12/12. I guess I know the logos.

  • MPowers Uno Seis Tres Quatro | September 11, 2008 at 11:02 am |

    [quote comment=”288880″][quote comment=”288879″]I guess Paul also missed our hijacking of Tuesday’s comment section to yap about the new Carolina Hurricanes’ threads. ;o)[/quote]
    shhh…[/quote]

    Careful, he might find out about our purple discussion!!!
    Oops!

  • JTH | September 11, 2008 at 11:03 am |

    [quote comment=”288908″]Deep Thoughts
    by MPowers:

    1. I LOVE the Bears blue striped socks with either pants, however what are those 21 decals for?:
    http://static.nfl.co...
    quote]

    Those are the Sean Taylor memorial decals from last year: http://en.wikipedia....

  • marc | September 11, 2008 at 11:03 am |

    [quote comment=”288906″][quote comment=”288905″][quote comment=”288893″]the college game is just better, IMO[/quote]

    i hear this a lot and can’t help but wonder how is college football better? it’s more fun, maybe, but definitely not “better.” no early season warm-up games, top-level athletes, greater parity and a playoff system that makes sense make the NFL a clear winner in my eyes.

  • JTH | September 11, 2008 at 11:04 am |

    [quote comment=”288908″]1. I LOVE the Bears blue striped socks with either pants, however what are those 21 decals for?:[/quote]

    Well, I screwed that one up. Anyway…

    Those are the Sean Taylor memorial decals from last year: http://en.wikipedia....

  • Jeff I. | September 11, 2008 at 11:05 am |

    http://icethetics.bl...

    Icethetics has the unveiling of the Bruins third jerseys

  • Walaitis | September 11, 2008 at 11:08 am |

    [quote comment=”288895″]So the NFL is going to force Devin Hester to change jerseys while simultaneously forcing Chad Eighty Five to keep his old jersey?

    It’s FAN-tastic![/quote]

    Any smart Bears fan working for Reebok will start producing thousands and thousands of Hester #23 jerseys now, since they OBVIOUSLY can’t change his number until they all sell. After all, wearing 23 in Chicago sports tends to work out well for most athletes.

  • Ryan | September 11, 2008 at 11:20 am |

    I wonder if whoever had the rights in the 90’s complained about Michael Jordan changing his number from 23 to 45?
    Also, I would assume that the contract with reebok lets the league off the hook when a player is released or traded, but this is a case of Mr. Eighty five doing this on his own. Also the league is in cahoots with Rebook and is letting them be the bad guy.

  • mmwatkin | September 11, 2008 at 11:20 am |

    [quote comment=”288915″][quote comment=”288906″][quote comment=”288905″][quote comment=”288893″]the college game is just better, IMO[/quote]

    i hear this a lot and can’t help but wonder how is college football better? it’s more fun, maybe, but definitely not “better.” no early season warm-up games, top-level athletes, greater parity and a playoff system that makes sense make the NFL a clear winner in my eyes.[/quote]

    I have maintained that people who prefer NFL over college never wen’t to a school with a football program or they prefer playing fantasy football…which is so wrong I won’t even start.

  • LI Phil | September 11, 2008 at 11:21 am |

    [quote comment=”288916″][quote comment=”288908″]1. I LOVE the Bears blue striped socks with either pants, however what are those 21 decals for?:[/quote]

    Well, I screwed that one up. Anyway…

    Those are the Sean Taylor memorial decals from last year: http://en.wikipedia....

    what is that circular thing in the middle of the helmet stripe for?

  • Teebz | September 11, 2008 at 11:21 am |

    [quote comment=”288917″]http://icethetics.blogspot.com/2008/09/bruins-unveil-third-jersey.html

    Icethetics has the unveiling of the Bruins third jerseys[/quote]

    Actually, HubHockey.com did. Icethetics picked up on it. HH has a few extra pictures.

    http://ccrawford11.t...

  • JTH | September 11, 2008 at 11:21 am |

    [quote comment=”288918″]After all, wearing 23 in Chicago sports tends to work out well for most athletes.[/quote]

    Damn right. http://www.youtube.c...

  • biff_tannen | September 11, 2008 at 11:28 am |

    The white/white away unis for the Bears is a step in the right direction, but I’m still hoping they go back to the gray facemasks.

  • Duckstyle | September 11, 2008 at 11:29 am |

    [quote comment=”288920″][quote comment=”288915″][quote comment=”288906″][quote comment=”288905″][quote comment=”288893″]the college game is just better, IMO[/quote]

    i hear this a lot and can’t help but wonder how is college football better? it’s more fun, maybe, but definitely not “better.” no early season warm-up games, top-level athletes, greater parity and a playoff system that makes sense make the NFL a clear winner in my eyes.[/quote]

    I have maintained that people who prefer NFL over college never wen’t to a school with a football program or they prefer playing fantasy football…which is so wrong I won’t even start.[/quote]

    Then I maintain that you are a silly goose. College is the NFL’s minor leagues. I like going to minor league baseball games, I like watching college football. I love watching the MLB and NFL, etc. Granted college football has way more tradition than any minor league system, but still the quality of the game is bush.

  • E_Ro | September 11, 2008 at 11:30 am |

    NHL 09 came out today. Does it have all the new third sweaters or do you have to wait like last year for them to be unlocked?

    I hate the Hurricanes new socks with a passion. That is not what hockey socks look like.

  • LI Phil | September 11, 2008 at 11:31 am |

    [quote comment=”288925″]still the quality of the game is bush.[/quote]

    i got your 619 right here

  • callmejoe85 | September 11, 2008 at 11:35 am |

    [quote comment=”288919″]I wonder if whoever had the rights in the 90’s complained about Michael Jordan changing his number from 23 to 45?
    Also, I would assume that the contract with reebok lets the league off the hook when a player is released or traded, but this is a case of Mr. Eighty five doing this on his own. Also the league is in cahoots with Rebook and is letting them be the bad guy.[/quote]

    I doubt it because he was number 45 after he came out of his first retirement.

  • Shane | September 11, 2008 at 11:38 am |

    [quote comment=”288917″]http://icethetics.blogspot.com/2008/09/bruins-unveil-third-jersey.html

    Icethetics has the unveiling of the Bruins third jerseys[/quote]

    Liking it.

  • chance | September 11, 2008 at 11:41 am |

    [quote comment=”288906″][quote comment=”288905″][quote comment=”288893″]Chad Johnson changing his name is dumb.

    What is even dumber is that Reebok wants him to pay for the existing merchandise. What if he was traded to a different team? What if he married and took on his wifes last name? Would he have to pick up the bill for the remaining jerseys in those situations? Probably not

    What is even worse is that the NFL won’t let him wear his legal last name, even though they acknowledged it, until he settles the dispute with Reebok.

    That should tell yo ueverything you have to know about who really runs the No Fun League these days.

    That’s why I stick to College Football.[/quote]

    Riiight.

    Because money doesn’t have any sway over college football.[/quote]

    I never said that College football wasn’t swayed by money.

    What I am saying is that the Chad johnson situation is obviously an example of the NFL using their uniform supplier to prevent C. Johnson from having “Ocho Cinco” on his jersey.

    I hate Chad Johnson (not even the best receiver on his team) but the NFL is pathetic.[/quote]

    That’s an awfully hard statement to support, since other players have been held to the same standard, including this season.

  • marc | September 11, 2008 at 11:43 am |

    [quote comment=\\\”288920\\\”][quote comment=\\\”288915\\\”][quote comment=\\\”288906\\\”][quote comment=\\\”288905\\\”][quote comment=\\\”288893\\\”]the college game is just better, IMO[/quote]

    i hear this a lot and can’t help but wonder how is college football better? it’s more fun, maybe, but definitely not “better.” no early season warm-up games, top-level athletes, greater parity and a playoff system that makes sense make the NFL a clear winner in my eyes.[/quote]

    I have maintained that people who prefer NFL over college never wen’t to a school with a football program or they prefer playing fantasy football…which is so wrong I won’t even start.[/quote]

    wow… that was harsh, condescending and, at least in my case, wrong. i went to a school with an NCAA D1 football program and attended games regularly. i have also been an NFL season ticket holder. as a football fan, the NFL game is MUCH better. college games are great if you want to ogle cheerleaders, yell “GREEN” louder than the other side of the stadium yells “WHITE,” and get totally shitfaced, but for quality, athletic ability and speed of play, the NFL is the superior product.

  • LI Phil | September 11, 2008 at 11:49 am |

    [quote]people who prefer NFL over college never wen’t to a school with a football program or they prefer playing fantasy football…which is so wrong I won’t even start.[/quote]

    that’s a generalization, a stereotype, and utter bullshit

    of course, one could take the opposite tack and say, “people who prefer college football live in the fuckin sticks or hillbilly country and don’t have a real pro franchise within 500 miles to root for”

    which is also a bullshit statement

    the NFL and college are 2 completely different games…and we all have different reasons for liking either one

  • Rick White Un Trois | September 11, 2008 at 11:58 am |

    [quote comment=”288916″][quote comment=”288908″]1. I LOVE the Bears blue striped socks with either pants, however what are those 21 decals for?:[/quote]

    Well, I screwed that one up. Anyway…

    Those are the Sean Taylor memorial decals from last year: http://en.wikipedia....

    Sigh.

    By the way, when did the Bears change the primary color from black to blue? I think I was out that day. I’d rather see them in the black myself.

  • MPowers Uno Seis Tres Quatro | September 11, 2008 at 12:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”288927″][quote comment=”288925″]still the quality of the game is bush.[/quote]

    i got your 619 right here[/quote]

    Interesting, he comes up in discussion today.

    In class, a student was wearing a replica Saints jersey while we were discussing some desktop publishing terms with MS Word.

    Using the jersey, I started discussing typesetting, centering and nameplates! I love this stuff!

  • =bg= | September 11, 2008 at 12:06 pm |

    Match the eyes to the NFL logo;

    http://www.mentalflo...

  • marc | September 11, 2008 at 12:10 pm |

    [quote]they prefer playing fantasy football…which is so wrong I won’t even start.[/quote]

    forgot to comment on this. what’s the problem with fantasy football (or whatever sport you choose)? you got a problem with monopoly too? that’s fantasy banking. how ’bout clue? that’s fantasy detective. battleship? fantasy navy. bottom line is it’s a game. granted some dudes take it waaaaay too serious, but a helluva lot more people like it as a casual way to keep in touch with the sport they love and to trash-talk with their buddies. besides, if your reason for hating fantasy football is because people are obsessive about it, think about the site you’re visiting.

  • Ricko | September 11, 2008 at 12:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”288933″][quote comment=”288916″][quote comment=”288908″]1. I LOVE the Bears blue striped socks with either pants, however what are those 21 decals for?:[/quote]

    Well, I screwed that one up. Anyway…

    Those are the Sean Taylor memorial decals from last year: http://en.wikipedia....

    Sigh.

    By the way, when did the Bears change the primary color from black to blue? I think I was out that day. I’d rather see them in the black myself.[/quote]

    Bears have been navy and orange, continuously, since days of Red Grange. Same colors as U of Illinois.

  • JTH | September 11, 2008 at 12:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”288933″]By the way, when did the Bears change the primary color from black to blue? I think I was out that day. I’d rather see them in the black myself.[/quote]
    They went to the new color scheme after witnessing its effectiveness against the Packers in Super Bowl Bowl XXXII.
    http://i60.photobuck...

  • MPowers1634 | September 11, 2008 at 12:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”288934″][quote comment=”288927″][quote comment=”288925″]still the quality of the game is bush.[/quote]

    i got your 619 right here[/quote]

    Interesting, he comes up in discussion today.

    In class, a student was wearing a replica Saints jersey while we were discussing some desktop publishing terms with MS Word.

    Using the jersey, I started discussing typesetting, centering and nameplates! I love this stuff![/quote]

    Which reminded me of this Op-Ed piece that my father cut out of either the WSJ or NYT a few years back, that I now have posted in my classroom!

    http://i256.photobuc...

  • Ricko | September 11, 2008 at 12:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”288932″][quote]people who prefer NFL over college never wen’t to a school with a football program or they prefer playing fantasy football…which is so wrong I won’t even start.[/quote]

    that’s a generalization, a stereotype, and utter bullshit

    of course, one could take the opposite tack and say, “people who prefer college football live in the fuckin sticks or hillbilly country and don’t have a real pro franchise within 500 miles to root for”

    which is also a bullshit statement

    the NFL and college are 2 completely different games…and we all have different reasons for liking either one[/quote]

    Liking both isn’t an option (generally speaking, not challening you, LI Phil) ?

    I watch both, bringing a different set of expectations to the table each time. I also throughly enjoy the lower divison playoffs at year end. I don’t expect NFL or BCS-caliber football from Furman, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t fun to watch them play.

    —Ricko

  • LI Phil | September 11, 2008 at 12:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”288940″]Liking both isn’t an option (generally speaking, not challening you, LI Phil) ?[/quote]

    of course it is…i was just remarking that there are different reasons for liking either one, and they may be mutually exclusive…but it certainly doesn’t mean one cannot like both (i prefer the NFL, but i’ll watch a good college game if it’s on the tube)

  • Rick White Un Trois | September 11, 2008 at 12:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”288937″][quote comment=”288933″][quote comment=”288916″][quote comment=”288908″]1. I LOVE the Bears blue striped socks with either pants, however what are those 21 decals for?:[/quote]

    Well, I screwed that one up. Anyway…

    Those are the Sean Taylor memorial decals from last year: http://en.wikipedia....

    Sigh.

    By the way, when did the Bears change the primary color from black to blue? I think I was out that day. I’d rather see them in the black myself.[/quote]

    Bears have been navy and orange, continuously, since days of Red Grange. Same colors as U of Illinois.[/quote]

    Well … okay. I just remember, growing up, the navy blue was awful black … uhhh … I mean dark.

  • Ricko | September 11, 2008 at 12:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”288942″][quote comment=”288937″][quote comment=”288933″][quote comment=”288916″][quote comment=”288908″]1. I LOVE the Bears blue striped socks with either pants, however what are those 21 decals for?:[/quote]

    Well, I screwed that one up. Anyway…

    Those are the Sean Taylor memorial decals from last year: http://en.wikipedia....

    Sigh.

    By the way, when did the Bears change the primary color from black to blue? I think I was out that day. I’d rather see them in the black myself.[/quote]

    Bears have been navy and orange, continuously, since days of Red Grange. Same colors as U of Illinois.[/quote]

    Well … okay. I just remember, growing up, the navy blue was awful black … uhhh … I mean dark.[/quote]

    TV does that. How many of us have had to explain to someone, at least once in our lives, that, no, the Yankees do NOT wear black hats. Figuratively, maybe, for some they do…but not literally.

  • mike 2 | September 11, 2008 at 12:29 pm |

    Re. the Hurricanes new third jerseys:

    Leaving aside “retro” sets like the Canucks and Sabres, I can’t remember when an team that’s done a third jersey has had a different set of pants to go with that third jersey.

    (I stand to be corrected on that point)

    Or are the Hurricanes also changing their primary pant colour to black?

  • marc | September 11, 2008 at 12:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”288940″][quote comment=”288932″][quote]people who prefer NFL over college never wen’t to a school with a football program or they prefer playing fantasy football…which is so wrong I won’t even start.[/quote]

    that’s a generalization, a stereotype, and utter bullshit

    of course, one could take the opposite tack and say, “people who prefer college football live in the fuckin sticks or hillbilly country and don’t have a real pro franchise within 500 miles to root for”

    which is also a bullshit statement

    the NFL and college are 2 completely different games…and we all have different reasons for liking either one[/quote]

    Liking both isn’t an option (generally speaking, not challening you, LI Phil) ?

    I watch both, bringing a different set of expectations to the table each time. I also throughly enjoy the lower divison playoffs at year end. I don’t expect NFL or BCS-caliber football from Furman, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t fun to watch them play.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    amen, ricko. they’re both fun, but in terms of quality, the NCAA simply isn’t the NFL and there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that.

    it drives me nuts when people spout off on entities like the NFL or MLB saying they’re all about the money, corporate greed, blah blah blah then they turn around and put the NCAA on a pedestal proclaiming it holier than thou when the NCAA — itself needing a hefty bit of that filthy corporate lucre — wears corporate-branded uniforms, shoes, jockstraps, and has corporations as sponsors and so on. at the very least, professional sports teams pay their players because everyone knows college athletes don’t get paid (wink wink).

  • Derek | September 11, 2008 at 12:33 pm |

    Nice critique of the new Oklahoma City Thunder logo here.
    Via Coudal

  • Teebz | September 11, 2008 at 12:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”288944″]Re. the Hurricanes new third jerseys:

    Leaving aside “retro” sets like the Canucks and Sabres, I can’t remember when an team that’s done a third jersey has had a different set of pants to go with that third jersey.

    (I stand to be corrected on that point)

    Or are the Hurricanes also changing their primary pant colour to black?[/quote]

    Nope. They’ll have two sets of pants hanging in their home locker room: red and black.

  • Stuby | September 11, 2008 at 12:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”288946″]Nice critique of the new Oklahoma City Thunder logo here.
    Via Coudal[/quote]
    That is completely obsessive and nit-picky and I love it.

  • Dave | September 11, 2008 at 12:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”288900″][quote comment=”288881″]Read that blurb on Hester’s number, and it made me wonder: How does Dallas Clark, a tight end, get away with wearing 44?[/quote]

    and clark isn’t the only TE on the team with a number in the 40s http://sports.espn.g...

    The Colts have two numbers in the 80s retired (Ray Berry’s 82 and Gino Marchetti’s 89) and they get a pass on having tight ends with numbers in the 40s.

  • Ben | September 11, 2008 at 12:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”288870″]I think the Bears are wearing the proper socks with the all-white look. Those sock stripes match the stripes on the white jersey (blue – orange – blue). The three-orange striped socks only match up with the home navy jersey.[/quote]
    I disagree…colored socks with the white pants and white socks with the colored pants. The Redskins have ruined their white on burgundy look with those burgundy socks. Hate the unitard look!

  • LI Phil | September 11, 2008 at 12:50 pm |

    [quote]colored socks with the white pants and white socks with the colored pants. The Redskins have ruined their white on burgundy look with those burgundy socks. Hate the unitard look![/quote]

    gotta agree with that, but i do have a practical (?) question…

    why do all these teams that go to the unitard look (colored socks matching pants) have to have the socks that way? can’t they reverse them? IOW, can the skins wear burgundy socks on top of white tights (or high white socks)?

    of course, this might look even MORE horrible, but i don’t understand why the current system seems to be the ‘only way’ … is it because “that’s the way we’ve always done it”?

  • Patrick | September 11, 2008 at 12:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”288950″][quote comment=”288870″]I think the Bears are wearing the proper socks with the all-white look. Those sock stripes match the stripes on the white jersey (blue – orange – blue). The three-orange striped socks only match up with the home navy jersey.[/quote]
    I disagree…colored socks with the white pants and white socks with the colored pants. The Redskins have ruined their white on burgundy look with those burgundy socks. Hate the unitard look![/quote]

    Count me in the camp that thinks the white socks should be worn with the white pants. Rather, the white socks should be worn when the Bears wear the white JERSEY, whether that be with the white or dark pants, because the striping matches up. The dark socks wouldn’t look right.

  • Paul R | September 11, 2008 at 12:54 pm |

    Dang it, Paul, you stole my thunder! I was getting ready to send you pics of the Penn State College Vault book that I picked up when I went there for their home football opener. Exquisitely produced books! I will, however, send you some pics from the Penn State All-Sports Museum, which I visited while I was there.

  • Stuby | September 11, 2008 at 1:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”288949″][quote comment=”288900″][quote comment=”288881″]Read that blurb on Hester’s number, and it made me wonder: How does Dallas Clark, a tight end, get away with wearing 44?[/quote]

    and clark isn’t the only TE on the team with a number in the 40s http://sports.espn.g...

    The Colts have two numbers in the 80s retired (Ray Berry’s 82 and Gino Marchetti’s 89) and they get a pass on having tight ends with numbers in the 40s.[/quote]
    Is that an actual NFL rule?

  • marc | September 11, 2008 at 1:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”288946″]Nice critique of the new Oklahoma City Thunder logo here.
    Via Coudal[/quote]

    LOL! that was funny as hell. thanks!

  • Mike Calagna | September 11, 2008 at 1:06 pm |

    Can anyone explain why all of the captains patches have different number of stars painted yellow on them?

    Here Eli has 2 stars that are yellow:
    http://scores.espn.g...

    Here Jamarcus Russel has only 1 yellow star:
    http://scores.espn.g...

  • Ben | September 11, 2008 at 1:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”288956″]Can anyone explain why all of the captains patches have different number of stars painted yellow on them?

    Here Eli has 2 stars that are yellow:
    http://scores.espn.g...

    Here Jamarcus Russel has only 1 yellow star:
    http://scores.espn.g...
    They get a new star for every year they are a captain.

  • nididakes | September 11, 2008 at 1:10 pm |

    the supposed “financial obligation” to reebok for changing chad johnson’s name makes no sense. if that were an issue, teams would owe sports apparel companies huge sums when they changed uniforms (or even tweak them, as they do so often these days). in fact, changing uniforms has been often described (in this very space) as a way to generate ADDED revenue, as fans have to keep updating. think how many new “ocho cinco” jerseys would sell, including to fans who already own “c. johnson” jerseys and so desperately “need” to keep up. did kobe make any settlement when reebok (who i believe was still making nba uniforms at the time) when he changed from 8 to 24?

    this is a smoke screen for the nfl’s lack of humor.

  • Ben | September 11, 2008 at 1:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”288957″][quote comment=”288956″]Can anyone explain why all of the captains patches have different number of stars painted yellow on them?

    Here Eli has 2 stars that are yellow:
    http://scores.espn.g...

    Here Jamarcus Russel has only 1 yellow star:
    http://scores.espn.g...
    They get a new star for every year they are a captain.[/quote]
    which is ridiculous…what if a guy had already been a captain for 2 years before they started the stupid patches. Everyone started with one star last year. Guess you weren’t officially a captain until the NFL recognized you as such.

  • Robert | September 11, 2008 at 1:13 pm |

    Has anyone considered that Ocho Cinco, by himself or through the Union, might have a contract that requires reimbursement in the event of a name-change? If that is the case, then all of talk of what fair or right or silly becomes moot.

  • chance | September 11, 2008 at 1:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”288958″]the supposed “financial obligation” to reebok for changing chad johnson’s name makes no sense. if that were an issue, teams would owe sports apparel companies huge sums when they changed uniforms (or even tweak them, as they do so often these days). in fact, changing uniforms has been often described (in this very space) as a way to generate ADDED revenue, as fans have to keep updating. think how many new “ocho cinco” jerseys would sell, including to fans who already own “c. johnson” jerseys and so desperately “need” to keep up. did kobe make any settlement when reebok (who i believe was still making nba uniforms at the time) when he changed from 8 to 24?

    this is a smoke screen for the nfl’s lack of humor.[/quote]

    No, it’s not. The NFL has done this before. I don’t like that they do it for anybody, but at least they’re consistent. You can’t make the case that they’re singling him out.

    Kobe’s situation doesn’t apply – different sport, different contract. Who knows what the NBA’s deal with Reebok says?

  • Original Jim | September 11, 2008 at 1:15 pm |

    I like the Canes’ new black jersey, but don’t like the silver squares on the trim.

    Gale flags are supposed to be red, not silver.

  • Justin in AR | September 11, 2008 at 1:17 pm |

    Switching gears to golf for a second. A co-worker and I are arguing over what team Payne Stewart is supporting here.
    http://images.google...

    I say the Bengals, he says the Browns. What do you guys think?

  • marc | September 11, 2008 at 1:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”288958″]the supposed “financial obligation” to reebok for changing chad johnson’s name makes no sense. if that were an issue, teams would owe sports apparel companies huge sums when they changed uniforms (or even tweak them, as they do so often these days). in fact, changing uniforms has been often described (in this very space) as a way to generate ADDED revenue, as fans have to keep updating. think how many new “ocho cinco” jerseys would sell, including to fans who already own “c. johnson” jerseys and so desperately “need” to keep up. did kobe make any settlement when reebok (who i believe was still making nba uniforms at the time) when he changed from 8 to 24?

    this is a smoke screen for the nfl’s lack of humor.[/quote]

    i don’t know if it’s lack of humor rather than nipping it in the bud by making an example of chad eighty five. if they let him get away with it, they have to let the next guy do it and so on and so on because you just KNOW that it would turn into an enormous clusterf*ck with every guy thinkin’ he’s got game trying to be the next “he hate me.” if that happens, the XFL wins and we don’t want that now, do we?

  • marc | September 11, 2008 at 1:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”288963″]Switching gears to golf for a second. A co-worker and I are arguing over what team Payne Stewart is supporting here.
    http://images.google...

    I say the Bengals, he says the Browns. What do you guys think?[/quote]

    the shirt looks brown, but it might just be the light. any idea where the tournament is being played? if it’s firestone, it’s likely browns. other than that, i can’t really tell. anyone else?

  • Kek | September 11, 2008 at 1:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”288959″][quote comment=”288957″][quote comment=”288956″]Can anyone explain why all of the captains patches have different number of stars painted yellow on them?

    Here Eli has 2 stars that are yellow:
    http://scores.espn.g...

    Here Jamarcus Russel has only 1 yellow star:
    http://scores.espn.g...
    They get a new star for every year they are a captain.[/quote]
    which is ridiculous…what if a guy had already been a captain for 2 years before they started the stupid patches. Everyone started with one star last year. Guess you weren’t officially a captain until the NFL recognized you as such.[/quote]
    Honestly, how many times are we going to have this conversation? It’s almost as bad as Kornheiser mentioning Favre every two seconds this past Monday night.

  • LI Phil | September 11, 2008 at 1:24 pm |

    [quote]it would turn into an enormous clusterf*ck with every guy thinkin’ he’s got game trying to be the next “he hate me.” if that happens, the XFL wins and we don’t want that now, do we?[/quote]

    that’s because the NFL got smart

  • MPowers1634 | September 11, 2008 at 1:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”288964″][quote comment=”288958″]the supposed “financial obligation” to reebok for changing chad johnson’s name makes no sense. if that were an issue, teams would owe sports apparel companies huge sums when they changed uniforms (or even tweak them, as they do so often these days). in fact, changing uniforms has been often described (in this very space) as a way to generate ADDED revenue, as fans have to keep updating. think how many new “ocho cinco” jerseys would sell, including to fans who already own “c. johnson” jerseys and so desperately “need” to keep up. did kobe make any settlement when reebok (who i believe was still making nba uniforms at the time) when he changed from 8 to 24?

    this is a smoke screen for the nfl’s lack of humor.[/quote]

    i don’t know if it’s lack of humor rather than nipping it in the bud by making an example of chad eighty five. if they let him get away with it, they have to let the next guy do it and so on and so on because you just KNOW that it would turn into an enormous clusterf*ck with every guy thinkin’ he’s got game trying to be the next “he hate me.” if that happens, the XFL wins and we don’t want that now, do we?[/quote]

    At the time, the jerseys of the NBA were already with Adidas.

  • chance | September 11, 2008 at 1:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”288962″]I like the Canes’ new black jersey, but don’t like the silver squares on the trim.

    Gale flags are supposed to be red, not silver.[/quote]

    Then again, there’s really supposed to be two of them.

  • Justin in AR | September 11, 2008 at 1:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”288965″][quote comment=”288963″]Switching gears to golf for a second. A co-worker and I are arguing over what team Payne Stewart is supporting here.
    http://images.google...

    I say the Bengals, he says the Browns. What do you guys think?[/quote]

    the shirt looks brown, but it might just be the light. any idea where the tournament is being played? if it’s firestone, it’s likely browns. other than that, i can’t really tell. anyone else?[/quote]

    His shoes look chocolate brown, as does his hat, but i’m not certain about the socks or the shirt. I would venture that it’s the Browns, because he wore Browns gear frequently. He was also in Bengals gear from time to time. I don’t know, though. I was just curious to see if anyone could tell.

  • marc | September 11, 2008 at 1:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”288967″][quote]it would turn into an enormous clusterf*ck with every guy thinkin’ he’s got game trying to be the next “he hate me.” if that happens, the XFL wins and we don’t want that now, do we?[/quote]

    that’s because the NFL got smart[/quote]

    ROD smart, that is. LOL… nice one LI Phil!

  • Mark in Cincy | September 11, 2008 at 1:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”288963″]Switching gears to golf for a second. A co-worker and I are arguing over what team Payne Stewart is supporting here.
    http://images.google...

    I say the Bengals, he says the Browns. What do you guys think?[/quote]
    as a young uni-watcher, i was engrossed in what Payne would wear, as a Bengals fan (my life has so little to be happy about) – i don’t ever recall him wearing Bengals gear

  • Ben | September 11, 2008 at 1:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”288963″]Switching gears to golf for a second. A co-worker and I are arguing over what team Payne Stewart is supporting here.
    http://images.google...

    I say the Bengals, he says the Browns. What do you guys think?[/quote]
    I thought he was a Bears fan?

  • Justin in AR | September 11, 2008 at 1:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”288973″][quote comment=”288963″]Switching gears to golf for a second. A co-worker and I are arguing over what team Payne Stewart is supporting here.
    http://images.google...

    I say the Bengals, he says the Browns. What do you guys think?[/quote]
    I thought he was a Bears fan?[/quote]

    He was.

    http://dascoop.files...

  • MPowers1634 | September 11, 2008 at 1:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”288962″]I like the Canes’ new black jersey, but don’t like the silver squares on the trim.

    Gale flags are supposed to be red, not silver.[/quote]

    Case in point:
    October 4, 2005 Miami vs. UNC:
    http://hurricanespor...

  • chance | September 11, 2008 at 1:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”288975″][quote comment=”288962″]I like the Canes’ new black jersey, but don’t like the silver squares on the trim.

    Gale flags are supposed to be red, not silver.[/quote]

    Case in point:
    October 4, 2005 Miami vs. UNC:
    http://hurricanespor...

    Yep, Miami got it right.

  • MPowers1634 | September 11, 2008 at 1:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”288963″]Switching gears to golf for a second. A co-worker and I are arguing over what team Payne Stewart is supporting here.
    http://images.google...

    I say the Bengals, he says the Browns. What do you guys think?[/quote]

    The socks look black…hence, bungles!

  • Chad | September 11, 2008 at 1:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”288963″]Switching gears to golf for a second. A co-worker and I are arguing over what team Payne Stewart is supporting here.
    http://images.google...

    I say the Bengals, he says the Browns. What do you guys think?[/quote]

    i know he’s not a jets fan

  • Greg V. | September 11, 2008 at 1:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”288901″]Like Chad did last year, Reebok shold make velcro “Ocho Cinco” nameplates. Have him warm up with “Ocho Cinco” and then rip it off before the game – now there’s a money maker!

    Also, what happened to the thousands of jersey’s from last year that have the old NFL logo? Does the NFL have to buy those up?[/quote]

    It appears to me that all the old-logoed merchandise is back on the shelves for the new season. I have gone to several stores and all the jerseys still have the old logo. I even saw a Keith Rivers (#58) jersey with the old logo and he’s a rookie. Apparently the NFL doesn’t have a “financial obligation” to the fans to sell them updated merchandise. People still buy the old stuff and never notice the difference, just nobody that reads Uniwatch.

  • Ben | September 11, 2008 at 1:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”288978″][quote comment=”288963″]Switching gears to golf for a second. A co-worker and I are arguing over what team Payne Stewart is supporting here.
    http://images.google...

    I say the Bengals, he says the Browns. What do you guys think?[/quote]

    i know he’s not a jets fan[/quote]
    Oh man that’s bad (but funny).

  • tommy | September 11, 2008 at 1:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”288962″]I like the Canes’ new black jersey, but don’t like the silver squares on the trim.

    Gale flags are supposed to be red, not silver.[/quote]

    Good point on the flags- they should be red and black. They look kinda minor league as is. As far as the pants go- someone earlier mentioned that they’d each have two pairs of pants… What they’ll probably do is have a pair of slip-on shells that are (theoretically) red to go over the black pants (or vice versa) Look at pictures from last years playoff and you’ll see Hossa with black Pens shells over his old blue Thrashers pants.

    And what’s up with the ‘Canes should crest? Is it a monochromatic black crest? Kinda neat I guess…

  • Andy | September 11, 2008 at 1:50 pm |

    Another player was sporting celebration goggles yesterday after the Angels clinched the AL West.

  • LI Phil | September 11, 2008 at 1:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”288969″][quote comment=”288962″]I like the Canes’ new black jersey, but don’t like the silver squares on the trim.

    Gale flags are supposed to be red, not silver.[/quote]

    Then again, there’s really supposed to be two of them.[/quote]

    correct…

    and not to be a weather weenie…but there is actually a system…

    a gale pennant is hung out (usually at coast guard stations, but also at beaches), indicating a wind speed up to 38 mph (“small craft warning”)…2 gale penants are hung when winds are expected to be between 39 and 54 mph (“gale warning”)

    a hurricane flag is displayed when winds are between 55 and 73 mph, indicating a “storm/whole gale warning”…and 2 hurricane flags are displayed when winds exceed 74 mph (hurricane strength) and is known as a “hurricane warning”

    ergo…2 hurricane flags are the proper demarcation for “hurricanes”

    YMMV

  • Stuby | September 11, 2008 at 1:56 pm |

    Payne in Saints gear:
    http://www.opengroup...(SC)Payne_Stewart_Photo.jpg

    Payne in Packers gear:
    http://www.vinewoods...

    It looks like he tried to coordinate jersey/shirt color and pants/knickers colors. Going by that, I would say that the picture in question is the Browns because it looks like the Brian Sipe era uniform. Don’t think the Bengals had ever worn orange pants at that point.

  • Juan Grande | September 11, 2008 at 1:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”288956″]Can anyone explain why all of the captains patches have different number of stars painted yellow on them?

    Here Eli has 2 stars that are yellow:
    http://scores.espn.g...

    Here Jamarcus Russel has only 1 yellow star:
    http://scores.espn.g...

    Ok, let’s make the list of “questions that have been answered way too freakin’ often”!

    1) “What do the green dots mean on football helmets?”

    2) “What do the colored stars mean on the Captain patches?”

    3) “What’s up with the Mets wearing black/blue/combo colored hats?”

    4) “Why do the Rays wear a “Devil Ray” patch on their arm when it is no longer the team name?”

    5) “Why is everyone wearing #21 stickers on their helmets?” (Thankfully retired)

    6) “Who is GU 63 and why is his patch on everybody?”

    What other questions can we add to the list?

    PS> No ill thoughts towards Mark, just that this question has been asked and answered for over a week now.

  • Stuby | September 11, 2008 at 1:59 pm |

    Damn. Let’s try this for the Saints getup:

    http://www.opengroup...

  • LI Phil | September 11, 2008 at 1:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”288985″][quote comment=”288956″]Can anyone explain why all of the captains patches have different number of stars painted yellow on them?

    Here Eli has 2 stars that are yellow:
    http://scores.espn.g...

    Here Jamarcus Russel has only 1 yellow star:
    http://scores.espn.g...

    Ok, let’s make the list of “questions that have been answered way too freakin’ often”!

    1) “What do the green dots mean on football helmets?”

    2) “What do the colored stars mean on the Captain patches?”

    3) “What’s up with the Mets wearing black/blue/combo colored hats?”

    4) “Why do the Rays wear a “Devil Ray” patch on their arm when it is no longer the team name?”

    5) “Why is everyone wearing #21 stickers on their helmets?” (Thankfully retired)

    6) “Who is GU 63 and why is his patch on everybody?”

    What other questions can we add to the list?

    PS> No ill thoughts towards Mark, just that this question has been asked and answered for over a week now.[/quote]

    why does UCLA have a yellow “C” (thankfully, also retired)

  • Teebz | September 11, 2008 at 2:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”288981″][quote comment=”288962″]I like the Canes’ new black jersey, but don’t like the silver squares on the trim.

    Gale flags are supposed to be red, not silver.[/quote]

    Good point on the flags- they should be red and black. They look kinda minor league as is. As far as the pants go- someone earlier mentioned that they’d each have two pairs of pants… What they’ll probably do is have a pair of slip-on shells that are (theoretically) red to go over the black pants (or vice versa) Look at pictures from last years playoff and you’ll see Hossa with black Pens shells over his old blue Thrashers pants.

    And what’s up with the ‘Canes should crest? Is it a monochromatic black crest? Kinda neat I guess…[/quote]

    The breezers will have to be black over red. The red pants are standard issue for both the home and road jerseys.

    Personally, breezers are crap, but I don’t play in the NHL, so what do I know? LOL

  • union jack | September 11, 2008 at 2:02 pm |

    Carolina Hurricanes alt logo is flag on a stick.

    Just one problem… one flag signifies “storm warning”; “hurricane warning” is 2 flags.

    Should we call them the Storm when they wear that uni?
    (as a Devils fan, I’ll be more than pleased if they play hockey like a girls basketball team!)

  • Rick | September 11, 2008 at 2:03 pm |

    I think the issue is not that Chad changed his name as much as WHEN he changed it. He waited until right before the season started so they already printed the jerseys for this year. If he would have done this months ago it probably wouldn’t have been an issue. Take into effect he is a very popular player so they pre-make lots of jerseys and the fact that the NFL isn’t too happy about him doing this and this is where we are at today.

  • Anthony Verna | September 11, 2008 at 2:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”288960″]Has anyone considered that Ocho Cinco, by himself or through the Union, might have a contract that requires reimbursement in the event of a name-change? If that is the case, then all of talk of what fair or right or silly becomes moot.[/quote]

    I considered it.

  • Rick White Un Trois | September 11, 2008 at 2:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”288987″][quote comment=”288985″][quote comment=”288956″]Can anyone explain why all of the captains patches have different number of stars painted yellow on them?

    Here Eli has 2 stars that are yellow:
    http://scores.espn.g...

    Here Jamarcus Russel has only 1 yellow star:
    http://scores.espn.g...

    Ok, let’s make the list of “questions that have been answered way too freakin’ often”!

    1) “What do the green dots mean on football helmets?”

    2) “What do the colored stars mean on the Captain patches?”

    3) “What’s up with the Mets wearing black/blue/combo colored hats?”

    4) “Why do the Rays wear a “Devil Ray” patch on their arm when it is no longer the team name?”

    5) “Why is everyone wearing #21 stickers on their helmets?” (Thankfully retired)

    6) “Who is GU 63 and why is his patch on everybody?”

    What other questions can we add to the list?

    PS> No ill thoughts towards Mark, just that this question has been asked and answered for over a week now.[/quote]

    why does UCLA have a yellow “C” (thankfully, also retired)[/quote]

    Has anyone seen the picture of the USC Cheerleader showing her bottom? (Not seen in a long time, probably retired)

  • LI Phil | September 11, 2008 at 2:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”288992″]Has anyone seen the picture of the USC Cheerleader showing her bottom? (Not seen in a long time, probably retired)[/quote]

    you mean this song girl?

    can NEVER retire that one…;)

  • Rick | September 11, 2008 at 2:12 pm |

    As per the “why are they still selling jerseys with the old NFL logo on” argument, I bet outside of this blog, not many people even realized that they changed the logo. It wasn’t that big a change and it’s less obvious than a players NOB.
    Also, if the NFL was OK with this you would think they would like the idea of the new named jersey. That way Bengal fans would buy a new jersey and there would be a race to see which rapper will wear it in their video first (which would lead to more exposure for the league.)

  • Kek | September 11, 2008 at 2:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”288985″][quote comment=”288956″]Can anyone explain why all of the captains patches have different number of stars painted yellow on them?

    Here Eli has 2 stars that are yellow:
    http://scores.espn.g...

    Here Jamarcus Russel has only 1 yellow star:
    http://scores.espn.g...

    Ok, let’s make the list of “questions that have been answered way too freakin’ often”!

    1) “What do the green dots mean on football helmets?”

    2) “What do the colored stars mean on the Captain patches?”

    3) “What’s up with the Mets wearing black/blue/combo colored hats?”

    4) “Why do the Rays wear a “Devil Ray” patch on their arm when it is no longer the team name?”

    5) “Why is everyone wearing #21 stickers on their helmets?” (Thankfully retired)

    6) “Who is GU 63 and why is his patch on everybody?”

    What other questions can we add to the list?

    PS> No ill thoughts towards Mark, just that this question has been asked and answered for over a week now.[/quote]
    How about this one:

    Does Chad Johnson realize that “ocho cinco” is literally translated as eight-five and eighty-five in Spanish is really “ochenta y cinco”?

  • JTH | September 11, 2008 at 2:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”288942″]Well … okay. I just remember, growing up, the navy blue was awful black … uhhh … I mean dark.[/quote]
    Oh, you were asking a serious question? I thought you were fucking with me. Sorry for the smartass reply.

    Anyway, one of the reasons is that the fabric is a lot shinier nowadays, so more light is reflected. Back in the day, the polyester (or wool to go even farther back) had more of a “matte finish” to it.

  • nididakes | September 11, 2008 at 2:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”288960″]Has anyone considered that Ocho Cinco, by himself or through the Union, might have a contract that requires reimbursement in the event of a name-change?[/quote]

    if that were the case ocho cinco might have, you know, thought of that before he changed his name. give me a break.

    [quote comment=”288961″]No, it’s not. The NFL has done this before. I don’t like that they do it for anybody, but at least they’re consistent.[/quote]

    right. i forgot that was the first time anyone ever changed their number. give me a second break.

    [quote comment=”288961″]Kobe’s situation doesn’t apply – different sport, different contract. Who knows what the NBA’s deal with Reebok says?[/quote]

    i think kobe’s jersey has always been one of the top sellers. i was making an example, not pointing to a legal precedent.

    [quote comment=”288968″]At the time, the jerseys of the NBA were already with Adidas.[/quote]

    you might be right, though i’m not so sure about the timing. either way, i don’t think adidas cares less about money than reebok does, yet i don’t remember word one about protest from the manufacturer at that time.

    [quote comment=”288964″]i don’t know if it’s lack of humor rather than nipping it in the bud by making an example of chad eighty five. if they let him get away with it, they have to let the next guy do it and so on and so on because you just KNOW that it would turn into an enormous clusterf*ck with every guy thinkin’ he’s got game trying to be the next “he hate me.” if that happens, the XFL wins and we don’t want that now, do we?[/quote]

    i doubt everyone in the nfl will go out and legally change their names. and even if so, who cares? what if johnson had changed his name to abdul muhammad-sufyan for religious reasons? would you insist on calling him johnson like the bigots who called ali clay? give me a triple break.

    [quote comment=”288990″]I think the issue is not that Chad changed his name as much as WHEN he changed it.[/quote]

    this is the first sensible response. all the same, it’s curmudgeonly of reebok and the nfl. touchdown dances and funny names aren’t going to keep anybody from watching games, and they won’t cut into anybody’s revenues.

    another point about rivers is that rookies are regularly given different numbers as training camp rosters are trimmed and new numbers become available. randy moss wore 18 in the preseason his rookie year, and i’m sure reebok (or whatever company did the vikings back then) was expecting big sales from his jerseys and had to adjust. the overarching point i’m making is that this year (rivers and johnson) is the first instance i can recall of manufacturers dictating player names and numbers. –and again, my contention is that it isn’t really a financial matter, but corporate blandness overriding any sense of enjoyment.

  • u2-horn | September 11, 2008 at 2:40 pm |

    Here’s a bigger version of the Payne Stewart pic…sure looks black and orange to me

    http://hilleconsulta...

  • lwiedy | September 11, 2008 at 2:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”288984″]Payne in Saints gear:
    http://www.opengroup...(SC)Payne_Stewart_Photo.jpg

    Payne in Packers gear:
    http://www.vinewoods...

    It looks like he tried to coordinate jersey/shirt color and pants/knickers colors. Going by that, I would say that the picture in question is the Browns because it looks like the Brian Sipe era uniform. Don’t think the Bengals had ever worn orange pants at that point.[/quote]

    I thought his deal with NFL Props had him wearing on final day play a coordinated outfit to coincide with the nearest NFL city to the touney?

  • Ricko | September 11, 2008 at 2:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”288998″]Here’s a bigger version of the Payne Stewart pic…sure looks black and orange to me

    http://hilleconsulta...

    Yup, I think that—on the socks particularly—brown when hit by direct sunlight (as near the front of his shins), would show as almost unmistakably brown. That area is pretty black for being four-square in the sun.

  • MPowers1634 | September 11, 2008 at 2:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”288998″]Here’s a bigger version of the Payne Stewart pic…sure looks black and orange to me

    http://hilleconsulta...

    Like I said, the bungles!

  • chance | September 11, 2008 at 2:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”288997″]the overarching point i’m making is that this year (rivers and johnson) is the first instance i can recall of manufacturers dictating player names and numbers. –and again, my contention is that it isn’t really a financial matter, but corporate blandness overriding any sense of enjoyment.[/quote]

    This might the first time it has been so publicized, but this has happened before.

  • lwiedy | September 11, 2008 at 2:54 pm |

    Last night the Rays Fernando Perez came to the plate to bat lefty with a right helmet.

    Joe Magrane caught it immediately but had there not been a mound conference, I think he would have seen at least one pitch before someone rescued him.

  • Banker Bill | September 11, 2008 at 2:58 pm |

    The White Sox hosted “Blackhawks Night” on Tuesday, resulting in this scene. …

    Without scanning the comments, am I the only one who kind of digs the Sox hockey jerseys?

  • MPowers1634 | September 11, 2008 at 3:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”289005″]The White Sox hosted “Blackhawks Night” on Tuesday, resulting in this scene. …

    Without scanning the comments, am I the only one who kind of digs the Sox hockey jerseys?[/quote]

    I was actually more impressed with how the ball was sent to the plate, however next to a Blackhawks jersey, however cool the Sox jerseys are, they pale in comparison!

    Forgive my baseball ignorance for the second time this week, but what does the 1/16 really signigy on Buffett’s jersey?

    http://farm4.static....

  • Jim MI | September 11, 2008 at 3:11 pm |

    Wow, talk about a busy day at work. Damn work getting in the way of my Uniwatching. I’ve been wanted to comment on the BOS and CAR third jerseys but this is the first time sitting at my desk since about 8am. Anywho…

    Boston’s third – I like it. Could have been alot worse. Love the logo, and love how they kept the classic ‘B’ on the uni by putting it on the shoulder. Classy. If that Bruin head of years past showed up I was going to freak. But the leaked photos from eariler in the summer eased my worries. Think it could use some sort of stripe at the bottom though.

    Carolina’s third – or should I say turd. What the HELL are those things?!?! Never was a fan of carolina’s unis, so it’s hard to imagine a third (turd) that I would like, but still… that franchise has taken a nose dive ever since leaving Hartford and the whale. And those socks! WTF! Those are not hockey socks. CAL, TB, and now CAR need to get a new sock design ASAP. That’s just horrible. Those black flags on the bottom look like they forgot to put red in them, doesn’t look right. Well the whole thing doesn’t look right. Looks like something Darth Vader would wear play hockey. Highly dissapointing. Might have to watch another game when they debut against the Red Wings, don’t think I can stand 3 periods of that crap…

  • Ben | September 11, 2008 at 3:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”288985″][quote comment=”288956″]Can anyone explain why all of the captains patches have different number of stars painted yellow on them?

    Here Eli has 2 stars that are yellow:
    http://scores.espn.g...

    Here Jamarcus Russel has only 1 yellow star:
    http://scores.espn.g...

    Ok, let’s make the list of “questions that have been answered way too freakin’ often”!

    1) “What do the green dots mean on football helmets?”

    2) “What do the colored stars mean on the Captain patches?”

    3) “What’s up with the Mets wearing black/blue/combo colored hats?”

    4) “Why do the Rays wear a “Devil Ray” patch on their arm when it is no longer the team name?”

    5) “Why is everyone wearing #21 stickers on their helmets?” (Thankfully retired)

    6) “Who is GU 63 and why is his patch on everybody?”

    What other questions can we add to the list?

    PS> No ill thoughts towards Mark, just that this question has been asked and answered for over a week now.[/quote]
    …Or let’s just try and be polite and answer someone’s question.

  • marc | September 11, 2008 at 3:15 pm |

    [quote]i doubt everyone in the nfl will go out and legally change their names. and even if so, who cares? what if johnson had changed his name to abdul muhammad-sufyan for religious reasons? would you insist on calling him johnson like the bigots who called ali clay? give me a triple break.[/quote]

    if he honestly changed his name for religious reasons, that’s COMPLETELY different than for the reason he did change it. chad eight-five changed his name as a goof and everyone knows it. you don’t think there’s already a handful of other guys willing to do the same? t.o., maybe? pac… uh, adam jones? the point is the NFL and their sponsors want to maintain some semblance of professionalism, hence the bud-nipping.

    btw, how can you possibly equate chad eight-five’s situation with that of ali’s? not even close, my friend. not even close.

  • =bg= | September 11, 2008 at 3:23 pm |

    Last tennis post of the season;

    Ten essentials for Bjorn Borg:

    http://men.style.com...

  • Stuby | September 11, 2008 at 3:25 pm |

    Anybody know the whereabouts of this guy?
    http://www.finalshot...

    He was attempting the name change/number change at the same time.
    http://en.wikipedia....

  • Andrew barnes | September 11, 2008 at 3:28 pm |

    http://www.nytimes.c...

    saw this great helmet logo on the nytimes slideshow on the hanford nuclear site.

  • marc | September 11, 2008 at 3:35 pm |

    [quote]my contention is that it isn’t really a financial matter, but corporate blandness overriding any sense of enjoyment.[/quote]

    i don’t get where anyone other than the player himself gets any “enjoyment” out of a name or number change. there are reasons for so-called “corporate blandness.” simply put, reebok and the nfl don’t want to take a financial hit because some guy wants to have fun.

    here’s an example: say you’re a printer and you make 10,000 menus for a restaurant only to find the owner decides to change the name at the last minute… ya know, just for fun. do you eat the cost? if you do, you’d be accused of being pretty stupid. why should reebok and the nfl handle it any differently?

  • chance | September 11, 2008 at 3:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”289011″]Anybody know the whereabouts of this guy?
    http://www.finalshot...

    He was attempting the name change/number change at the same time.
    http://en.wikipedia....

    Actually, he changed his name and number in January. Well before the league deadline.

  • Rob | September 11, 2008 at 3:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”289007″]Wow, talk about a busy day at work. Damn work getting in the way of my Uniwatching. I’ve been wanted to comment on the BOS and CAR third jerseys but this is the first time sitting at my desk since about 8am. Anywho…

    Boston’s third – I like it. Could have been alot worse. Love the logo, and love how they kept the classic ‘B’ on the uni by putting it on the shoulder. Classy. If that Bruin head of years past showed up I was going to freak. But the leaked photos from eariler in the summer eased my worries. Think it could use some sort of stripe at the bottom though.

    Carolina’s third – or should I say turd. What the HELL are those things?!?! Never was a fan of carolina’s unis, so it’s hard to imagine a third (turd) that I would like, but still… that franchise has taken a nose dive ever since leaving Hartford and the whale. And those socks! WTF! Those are not hockey socks. CAL, TB, and now CAR need to get a new sock design ASAP. That’s just horrible. Those black flags on the bottom look like they forgot to put red in them, doesn’t look right. Well the whole thing doesn’t look right. Looks like something Darth Vader would wear play hockey. Highly dissapointing. Might have to watch another game when they debut against the Red Wings, don’t think I can stand 3 periods of that crap…[/quote]

    Yeah because winning your first Stanley Cup and playing in a state of the art arena in front of sold out crowds really sucks.

    GO ‘CANES!!!

  • Jim MI | September 11, 2008 at 3:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”289015″][quote comment=”289007″]Wow, talk about a busy day at work. Damn work getting in the way of my Uniwatching. I’ve been wanted to comment on the BOS and CAR third jerseys but this is the first time sitting at my desk since about 8am. Anywho…

    Boston’s third – I like it. Could have been alot worse. Love the logo, and love how they kept the classic ‘B’ on the uni by putting it on the shoulder. Classy. If that Bruin head of years past showed up I was going to freak. But the leaked photos from eariler in the summer eased my worries. Think it could use some sort of stripe at the bottom though.

    Carolina’s third – or should I say turd. What the HELL are those things?!?! Never was a fan of carolina’s unis, so it’s hard to imagine a third (turd) that I would like, but still… that franchise has taken a nose dive ever since leaving Hartford and the whale. And those socks! WTF! Those are not hockey socks. CAL, TB, and now CAR need to get a new sock design ASAP. That’s just horrible. Those black flags on the bottom look like they forgot to put red in them, doesn’t look right. Well the whole thing doesn’t look right. Looks like something Darth Vader would wear play hockey. Highly dissapointing. Might have to watch another game when they debut against the Red Wings, don’t think I can stand 3 periods of that crap…[/quote]

    Yeah because winning your first Stanley Cup and playing in a state of the art arena in front of sold out crowds really sucks.

    GO ‘CANES!!![/quote]

    Sorry rob, meant to say ‘Visual Nose Dive’ since leaving HAR. That’s what I get for not proof-reading. Loved the whale and hated to see it go. Just made it worse seeing I was never a fan of the CAR unis.

    The franchise has done well since being in CAR, just not looking the way they should :(

    Man I miss this…

    http://www.logoserve...

  • Rob | September 11, 2008 at 4:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”289016″][quote comment=”289015″][quote comment=”289007″]Wow, talk about a busy day at work. Damn work getting in the way of my Uniwatching. I’ve been wanted to comment on the BOS and CAR third jerseys but this is the first time sitting at my desk since about 8am. Anywho…

    Boston’s third – I like it. Could have been alot worse. Love the logo, and love how they kept the classic ‘B’ on the uni by putting it on the shoulder. Classy. If that Bruin head of years past showed up I was going to freak. But the leaked photos from eariler in the summer eased my worries. Think it could use some sort of stripe at the bottom though.

    Carolina’s third – or should I say turd. What the HELL are those things?!?! Never was a fan of carolina’s unis, so it’s hard to imagine a third (turd) that I would like, but still… that franchise has taken a nose dive ever since leaving Hartford and the whale. And those socks! WTF! Those are not hockey socks. CAL, TB, and now CAR need to get a new sock design ASAP. That’s just horrible. Those black flags on the bottom look like they forgot to put red in them, doesn’t look right. Well the whole thing doesn’t look right. Looks like something Darth Vader would wear play hockey. Highly dissapointing. Might have to watch another game when they debut against the Red Wings, don’t think I can stand 3 periods of that crap…[/quote]

    Yeah because winning your first Stanley Cup and playing in a state of the art arena in front of sold out crowds really sucks.

    GO ‘CANES!!![/quote]

    Sorry rob, meant to say ‘Visual Nose Dive’ since leaving HAR. That’s what I get for not proof-reading. Loved the whale and hated to see it go. Just made it worse seeing I was never a fan of the CAR unis.

    The franchise has done well since being in CAR, just not looking the way they should :(

    Man I miss this…

    http://www.logoserve...

    Fair enough. I like the unis, including the new one, but that’s just my opinion.

  • LI Phil | September 11, 2008 at 4:14 pm |

    [quote]let’s just try and be polite and answer someone’s question.[/quote]

    it was answered, and politely, before douggie made that well thought-out list

    i’d be willing to bet that there is an answer to the “captaincy patches” in this site’s FAQ…as well as to all the other questions…wouldn’t know tho, never read it ;) (and if those questions aren’t in the FAQ…then maybe they SHOULD be!)

    maybe PL should put a disclaimer at the top of the page to ‘always check the FAQ’ first…

    then we wouldn’t have certain questions asked ad infinitum

    …now then…why don’t the white sox wear white socks?

  • Al | September 11, 2008 at 4:17 pm |

    Forgive my baseball ignorance for the second time this week, but what does the 1/16 really signigy on Buffett’s jersey?

    1/16 is the lowest fraction of a share that can be traded.
    (From Darren Rovell’s blog)

  • Ricko | September 11, 2008 at 4:19 pm |

    Weren’t the road pants with the Astros’ Rainbow Guts jerseys cream-colored or something?

    (rolls eyes, giggles)

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | September 11, 2008 at 4:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”289019″]

    Forgive my baseball ignorance for the second time this week, but what does the 1/16 really signigy on Buffett’s jersey?

    1/16 is the lowest fraction of a share that can be traded.
    (From Darren Rovell’s blog)[/quote]

    Okay, then, what’s the lowest traction that can be faded? (purely rhetorical, I know)

  • joe | September 11, 2008 at 4:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”289013″][quote]my contention is that it isn’t really a financial matter, but corporate blandness overriding any sense of enjoyment.[/quote]

    i don’t get where anyone other than the player himself gets any “enjoyment” out of a name or number change. there are reasons for so-called “corporate blandness.” simply put, reebok and the nfl don’t want to take a financial hit because some guy wants to have fun.

    here’s an example: say you’re a printer and you make 10,000 menus for a restaurant only to find the owner decides to change the name at the last minute… ya know, just for fun. do you eat the cost? if you do, you’d be accused of being pretty stupid. why should reebok and the nfl handle it any differently?[/quote]

    Its not the same thing. Lets say a menu printer decided to make menus for a restaurant (the restaurant didn’t order them) hoping to sell them to the restaurant and the restaurant changed its name. Ocho didn’t ask RBK to make the jerseys. They took the risk to print them in hopes of selling them. its the risk of business. If they wanted to avoid it they would only print jerseys as they are ordered and everyone would have to wait to have them factory shipped.

  • Paul Kamras | September 11, 2008 at 4:23 pm |

    Why is Wayne Garrett wearing #45 in 1971? Tug McGraw was there from 1966-1974 right?? And Garrett was already wearing #11….

  • Marty | September 11, 2008 at 4:29 pm |

    I agree with the Bears wearing the white socks. Sock Stripes should either match the sleeves or the helmet. Now, since the socks are matching the sleeves, I think the stripes should come off the pants ala the Rams.
    As far as the orange, get rid of them. However, if they must be, stay with the blue socks. They at least have the same pattern (just flip the orange and blue) as the orange sleeves.
    The Bears have long been a team with distinctly different stripe patterns between home and away.

  • Ben | September 11, 2008 at 4:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”289018″][quote]let’s just try and be polite and answer someone’s question.[/quote]

    it was answered, and politely, before douggie made that well thought-out list

    i’d be willing to bet that there is an answer to the “captaincy patches” in this site’s FAQ…as well as to all the other questions…wouldn’t know tho, never read it ;) (and if those questions aren’t in the FAQ…then maybe they SHOULD be!)

    maybe PL should put a disclaimer at the top of the page to ‘always check the FAQ’ first…

    then we wouldn’t have certain questions asked ad infinitum

    …now then…why don’t the white sox wear white socks?[/quote]
    …or let one person answer the question and then everyone else can stop wasting their valuable time writing about how they have to answer the same questions over and over. Also checked the FAQ, and while there’s lots of good info there’s no mention of captaincy patches…;)

  • Stuby | September 11, 2008 at 4:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”289023″]Why is Wayne Garrett wearing #45 in 1971? Tug McGraw was there from 1966-1974 right?? And Garrett was already wearing #11….[/quote]
    I’ve been trying to figure out that Ralph Kiner photo since you posted that comment and I can’t figure it out. Only Ken Singleton seems to match.

    -The only #28 on the Mets roster in 1971 was John Milner
    http://www.mbtn.net/...

    -McGraw didn’t have #45 all to himself during his stint with the Mets, but did have it in ’71. http://www.mbtn.net/...

    -#22 should have been Donn Clendenon in ’71
    http://www.mbtn.net/...

    -Mike Jorgensen wore #16 in ’71
    http://www.mbtn.net/...

  • Jay | September 11, 2008 at 4:57 pm |

    I think Payne’s wearing a Browns out fit. If you look, there’s a helmet on his chest. WHile the Bengals do have a helmet mark, The browns used them more back in the day…

  • Teebz | September 11, 2008 at 4:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”289022″]
    Its not the same thing. Lets say a menu printer decided to make menus for a restaurant (the restaurant didn’t order them) hoping to sell them to the restaurant and the restaurant changed its name. Ocho didn’t ask RBK to make the jerseys. They took the risk to print them in hopes of selling them. its the risk of business. If they wanted to avoid it they would only print jerseys as they are ordered and everyone would have to wait to have them factory shipped.[/quote]

    You’re joking, right? He didn’t ask them to be made? Do you know how players get their names on jerseys?

    The NFLPA gets a cut of every jersey sold. It’s part of the licensing agreement. Therefore, they allow Reebok to make jerseys for all their biggest stars. Chad Johnson has no say in what Reebok makes, but, because he effed Reebok over, the union can’t protect him when the agreement causes Reebok to lose $4 million.

    A partnership is exactly what Reebok and the NFLPA have, and both benefit from jersey sales of their stars. The union isn’t going to fork over $4 million, so the offending party – aka Ocho Stupido – will have to in order for the partnership to work.

    Because NHL players like Wayne Gretzky have opted out of the union now that they are retired, the union doesn’t get a cut of the jerseys sold with their names on it. Instead, Rbk Hockey and Gretzky’s merchandise company have an agreement similar to what the union has.

    Business is a complicated system, but no one loses in the licensing partnership. Except Ocho Stupido. And rightfully so.

  • LI Phil | September 11, 2008 at 5:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”289026″][quote comment=”289023″]Why is Wayne Garrett wearing #45 in 1971? Tug McGraw was there from 1966-1974 right?? And Garrett was already wearing #11….[/quote]
    I’ve been trying to figure out that Ralph Kiner photo since you posted that comment and I can’t figure it out. Only Ken Singleton seems to match.

    -The only #28 on the Mets roster in 1971 was John Milner
    http://www.mbtn.net/...

    -McGraw didn’t have #45 all to himself during his stint with the Mets, but did have it in ’71. http://www.mbtn.net/...

    -#22 should have been Donn Clendenon in ’71
    http://www.mbtn.net/...

    -Mike Jorgensen wore #16 in ’71
    http://www.mbtn.net/...

    perhaps the pic isn’t from 1971 then…

    i don’t have time, but maybe some sleuth can check the names & numbers versus the year they wore them…and come up with an answer?

  • Ricko | September 11, 2008 at 5:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”289027″]I think Payne’s wearing a Browns out fit. If you look, there’s a helmet on his chest. WHile the Bengals do have a helmet mark, The browns used them more back in the day…[/quote]

    So did the Bengals at the time. That current “B” with tiger stripes hasn’t been around for long. In fact, it may not have been around until after Stewart’s death. Not syaing you’re wrong. Saying the chest logo isn’t much help.

  • Andy11 | September 11, 2008 at 5:13 pm |

    Bengals fans should boycott the C Johnson jerseys and not buy any all year.

  • Jeff P | September 11, 2008 at 5:17 pm |

    With a few questions on pants and the hurricane flag, I’ll post what I posted on icethetics yesterday:
    Flag was explained during the unveiling: It is a hurricane watch, two is a warning.

    From somebody on the hurricanes boards refering to what hurricanes management said: ”
    And for those who keep going on about one flag instead of two, it should finally be put to rest (thanks to the answer by the Canes at the press conference, and I just verified the answer at Wikipedia) – one flag still does signify a hurricane. One flag is a hurricane watch (meaning a hurricane can hit within 36 hours), and two flags is a hurricane warning (can hit within 24 hours). So yes, doubters, the one flag is still a hurricane.”

    Last team to wear Different pants with an alt was the Canucks in 03-06- they had a light blue pair for the retro- nothing this dramatic. Before that set it was rangers in 03-04 with a blue pair for their 70’s throwbacks. Before that the last time was the rockies from 76-80, and the Kings from 70-79, both with home/away pants.

    That’s not a common thing.

    End previous post…

    So 4 teams in history that have had more then one color pants, now 5. Not unprecedented though.

  • joe | September 11, 2008 at 5:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”289028″][quote comment=”289022″]
    Its not the same thing. Lets say a menu printer decided to make menus for a restaurant (the restaurant didn’t order them) hoping to sell them to the restaurant and the restaurant changed its name. Ocho didn’t ask RBK to make the jerseys. They took the risk to print them in hopes of selling them. its the risk of business. If they wanted to avoid it they would only print jerseys as they are ordered and everyone would have to wait to have them factory shipped.[/quote]

    You’re joking, right? He didn’t ask them to be made? Do you know how players get their names on jerseys?

    The NFLPA gets a cut of every jersey sold. It’s part of the licensing agreement. Therefore, they allow Reebok to make jerseys for all their biggest stars. Chad Johnson has no say in what Reebok makes, but, because he effed Reebok over, the union can’t protect him when the agreement causes Reebok to lose $4 million.

    A partnership is exactly what Reebok and the NFLPA have, and both benefit from jersey sales of their stars. The union isn’t going to fork over $4 million, so the offending party – aka Ocho Stupido – will have to in order for the partnership to work.

    Because NHL players like Wayne Gretzky have opted out of the union now that they are retired, the union doesn’t get a cut of the jerseys sold with their names on it. Instead, Rbk Hockey and Gretzky’s merchandise company have an agreement similar to what the union has.

    Business is a complicated system, but no one loses in the licensing partnership. Except Ocho Stupido. And rightfully so.[/quote]

    Hes in the union, part of that contract *allows* RBK to make jerseys. Ocho, never went ot RBK and said “make 10,000 of my jerseys” Knowing he’s a popular player they chose to make a ton of his jerseys, it’s their problem. I don’t like ocho, but he’s not in the wrong here. If he chose to randomly change his number maybe. He legally changed his name (for stupid reasons) the NFL says you have to use your real name, he’s not responsible for the stock issue. As someone pointed out, let say he got married and took her name, legally he could and the NFL can’t stop it and he should not be liable for old stock. If the NFL makes Hester change his number it shouldn’t fall on Hester to pay for the old stock either.

  • Duckstyle | September 11, 2008 at 5:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”289028″][quote comment=”289022″]
    Its not the same thing. Lets say a menu printer decided to make menus for a restaurant (the restaurant didn’t order them) hoping to sell them to the restaurant and the restaurant changed its name. Ocho didn’t ask RBK to make the jerseys. They took the risk to print them in hopes of selling them. its the risk of business. If they wanted to avoid it they would only print jerseys as they are ordered and everyone would have to wait to have them factory shipped.[/quote]

    You’re joking, right? He didn’t ask them to be made? Do you know how players get their names on jerseys?

    The NFLPA gets a cut of every jersey sold. It’s part of the licensing agreement. Therefore, they allow Reebok to make jerseys for all their biggest stars. Chad Johnson has no say in what Reebok makes, but, because he effed Reebok over, the union can’t protect him when the agreement causes Reebok to lose $4 million.

    A partnership is exactly what Reebok and the NFLPA have, and both benefit from jersey sales of their stars. The union isn’t going to fork over $4 million, so the offending party – aka Ocho Stupido – will have to in order for the partnership to work.

    Because NHL players like Wayne Gretzky have opted out of the union now that they are retired, the union doesn’t get a cut of the jerseys sold with their names on it. Instead, Rbk Hockey and Gretzky’s merchandise company have an agreement similar to what the union has.

    Business is a complicated system, but no one loses in the licensing partnership. Except Ocho Stupido. And rightfully so.[/quote]

    Yes, but you’re implying that by signing his contract that he, or any player for that matter, has any idea there’s a clause that says they’ll have to reimburse Reebok for any reason involving a name or number change. Did he sign it, obviously he did and this clause exists. But to say it makes sense is ridiculous. Chad had no idea that Reebok would choose to make so many of his jersey for sale in comparison to other players, why should he pay so much more than Rivers did? Because he’s popular? That’s BS and you know it, we all do. Reebok, like nay company for that matter produces product knowing full well it might any day become obsolete, it’s called risk management. But, in the end, Reebok’s got something in writing, so they did their homewrok, it’s a moo point. It’s like a cow opinion, it’s moo.

  • LI Phil | September 11, 2008 at 5:39 pm |

    the whole ocho stupido (lol, teebz) thing is ridiculous…but…let me ask a stupid question or eight…

    1) nfl said ‘no ocho cinco’ on your jersey, it’s not your legal name, yes?
    2) c johnson legally changes his name to ocho cinco, yes?
    3) nfl says ‘no ocho cinco’ EVEN THOUGH WE TOLD YOU IF IT IS YOUR LEGAL NAME YOU CAN HAVE IT, yes?
    4) nfl/reebok are stuck with 50K “c johnson” jerseys, yes?
    5) nfl/rbk say, ‘buy up our old stock or you can’t wear “ocho”‘, yes?

    so…obviously no one (fault lies with CJ/OC) told him about the jersey codacil…but…

    that’s bullshit…he LEGALLY changed his name (for whatever stupid reason he may have had…and it IS a big deal to do so…there’s more to it than just wanting “el jackasso” on your threads)…which is, supposedly (according to the NFL), ALL that is required to wear “OC”, no?

    so fuck rbk/adidas…im sure they can get a writeoff for, and make good use of, those jerseys, (and imagine the PR) if they give all those jerseys to some size-XXXL somalian kids, right? they could claim the moral high ground (if not legal high ground) and make him look like a bigger ass than he already is, and STILL let him wear the stupid new monicker…which, if he took THEM to court, he prolly could win that right …

    /pardon my poor english…it’s been a long day

  • Stuby | September 11, 2008 at 5:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”289029″][quote comment=”289026″][quote comment=”289023″]Why is Wayne Garrett wearing #45 in 1971? Tug McGraw was there from 1966-1974 right?? And Garrett was already wearing #11….[/quote]
    I’ve been trying to figure out that Ralph Kiner photo since you posted that comment and I can’t figure it out. Only Ken Singleton seems to match.

    -The only #28 on the Mets roster in 1971 was John Milner
    http://www.mbtn.net/...

    -McGraw didn’t have #45 all to himself during his stint with the Mets, but did have it in ’71. http://www.mbtn.net/...

    -#22 should have been Donn Clendenon in ’71
    http://www.mbtn.net/...

    -Mike Jorgensen wore #16 in ’71
    http://www.mbtn.net/...

    perhaps the pic isn’t from 1971 then…

    i don’t have time, but maybe some sleuth can check the names & numbers versus the year they wore them…and come up with an answer?[/quote]
    OK, so if that is Bill Connors wearing #22, then most likely he is a coach or special instructor and borrowed a road uniform from Clendenon (Connors last pitched for the Mets in ’68). Still can’t figure out #45 (s/b McGraw) and #28 (s/b Milner) or why #45 doesn’t have a Mets patch on his left sleeve.

    Ken Singleton was only on the Mets from the middle of 1970 to the end of ’71 – if in fact that really is Ken Singleton.

    This thing has got my blood a boilin’.

  • LI Phil | September 11, 2008 at 5:45 pm |

    [quote]OK, so if that is Bill Connors wearing #22, then most likely he is a coach or special instructor and borrowed a road uniform from Clendenon (Connors last pitched for the Mets in ‘68). Still can’t figure out #45 (s/b McGraw) and #28 (s/b Milner) or why #45 doesn’t have a Mets patch on his left sleeve.

    Ken Singleton was only on the Mets from the middle of 1970 to the end of ‘71 – if in fact that really is Ken Singleton.

    This thing has got my blood a boilin’.[/quote]

    and why are ralph and billy (if that is billy) wearing roadies, and the other guys are wearing home threads?

    if there was EVER a case for having a NOB…this might be it ;)

  • Frank from B-more | September 11, 2008 at 5:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”288983″][quote comment=”288969″][quote comment=”288962″]I like the Canes’ new black jersey, but don’t like the silver squares on the trim.

    Gale flags are supposed to be red, not silver.[/quote]

    Then again, there’s really supposed to be two of them.[/quote]

    correct…

    and not to be a weather weenie…but there is actually a system…

    a gale pennant is hung out (usually at coast guard stations, but also at beaches), indicating a wind speed up to 38 mph (“small craft warning”)…2 gale penants are hung when winds are expected to be between 39 and 54 mph (“gale warning”)

    a hurricane flag is displayed when winds are between 55 and 73 mph, indicating a “storm/whole gale warning”…and 2 hurricane flags are displayed when winds exceed 74 mph (hurricane strength) and is known as a “hurricane warning”

    ergo…2 hurricane flags are the proper demarcation for “hurricanes”

    YMMV[/quote]

    Thanks Phil, this has always bothered me about the Carolina hockey team’s logo. Put up the proper flag.

  • Stuby | September 11, 2008 at 5:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”289037″][quote]OK, so if that is Bill Connors wearing #22, then most likely he is a coach or special instructor and borrowed a road uniform from Clendenon (Connors last pitched for the Mets in ‘68). Still can’t figure out #45 (s/b McGraw) and #28 (s/b Milner) or why #45 doesn’t have a Mets patch on his left sleeve.

    Ken Singleton was only on the Mets from the middle of 1970 to the end of ‘71 – if in fact that really is Ken Singleton.

    This thing has got my blood a boilin’.[/quote]

    and why are ralph and billy (if that is billy) wearing roadies, and the other guys are wearing home threads?

    if there was EVER a case for having a NOB…this might be it ;)[/quote]
    Pretty sure it is Billy Connors. I wasn’t making the connection as they had him listed as ‘Bill Connors’ on the MBTN site.

    I’m thinking spring training. Special instructors probably don’t have their own unis so they take what’s available. Home game, road unis were available.

  • =bg= | September 11, 2008 at 6:04 pm |

    http://www.nydailyne...

    Naming rights squabble in NYC. Comments, Paul?

  • Ricko | September 11, 2008 at 6:08 pm |

    Those old jerseys remain perfectly accurate.

    Ocho Cinco is still a johnson.

  • lwiedy | September 11, 2008 at 6:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”289039″][quote comment=”289037″][quote]OK, so if that is Bill Connors wearing #22, then most likely he is a coach or special instructor and borrowed a road uniform from Clendenon (Connors last pitched for the Mets in ‘68). Still can’t figure out #45 (s/b McGraw) and #28 (s/b Milner) or why #45 doesn’t have a Mets patch on his left sleeve.

    Ken Singleton was only on the Mets from the middle of 1970 to the end of ‘71 – if in fact that really is Ken Singleton.

    This thing has got my blood a boilin’.[/quote]

    and why are ralph and billy (if that is billy) wearing roadies, and the other guys are wearing home threads?

    if there was EVER a case for having a NOB…this might be it ;)[/quote]
    Pretty sure it is Billy Connors. I wasn’t making the connection as they had him listed as ‘Bill Connors’ on the MBTN site.

    I’m thinking spring training. Special instructors probably don’t have their own unis so they take what’s available. Home game, road unis were available.[/quote]

    How about this. Considering the fact that Kiner and Conner were never coaches but instructors and players who NEVER wore those numbers ARE wearing them, it is possible this was during the fall instructional league session?

    Although it was usually for minor leaguers, often big leaguers went to “instructs” to work on new things, rehab injuries, etc.

    Also, it was common to outfit instructors in different unis (in this case, roads) to differentiate players from instructors.

    Since regular sets were up in NY, recycled sets would be down in St. Pete for this use.

    Just a theory.

  • Stuby | September 11, 2008 at 6:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”289042″][quote comment=”289039″][quote comment=”289037″][quote]OK, so if that is Bill Connors wearing #22, then most likely he is a coach or special instructor and borrowed a road uniform from Clendenon (Connors last pitched for the Mets in ‘68). Still can’t figure out #45 (s/b McGraw) and #28 (s/b Milner) or why #45 doesn’t have a Mets patch on his left sleeve.

    Ken Singleton was only on the Mets from the middle of 1970 to the end of ‘71 – if in fact that really is Ken Singleton.

    This thing has got my blood a boilin’.[/quote]

    and why are ralph and billy (if that is billy) wearing roadies, and the other guys are wearing home threads?

    if there was EVER a case for having a NOB…this might be it ;)[/quote]
    Pretty sure it is Billy Connors. I wasn’t making the connection as they had him listed as ‘Bill Connors’ on the MBTN site.

    I’m thinking spring training. Special instructors probably don’t have their own unis so they take what’s available. Home game, road unis were available.[/quote]

    How about this. Considering the fact that Kiner and Conner were never coaches but instructors and players who NEVER wore those numbers ARE wearing them, it is possible this was during the fall instructional league session?

    Although it was usually for minor leaguers, often big leaguers went to “instructs” to work on new things, rehab injuries, etc.

    Also, it was common to outfit instructors in different unis (in this case, roads) to differentiate players from instructors.

    Since regular sets were up in NY, recycled sets would be down in St. Pete for this use.

    Just a theory.[/quote]
    Plausible theory. I’ll buy that.

  • Teebz | September 11, 2008 at 6:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”289033″]
    Hes in the union, part of that contract *allows* RBK to make jerseys. Ocho, never went ot RBK and said “make 10,000 of my jerseys” Knowing he’s a popular player they chose to make a ton of his jerseys, it’s their problem. I don’t like ocho, but he’s not in the wrong here. If he chose to randomly change his number maybe. He legally changed his name (for stupid reasons) the NFL says you have to use your real name, he’s not responsible for the stock issue. As someone pointed out, let say he got married and took her name, legally he could and the NFL can’t stop it and he should not be liable for old stock. If the NFL makes Hester change his number it shouldn’t fall on Hester to pay for the old stock either.[/quote]

    If he’s part of the union, why isn’t the union defending him then? They helped him get his massive contract, so why can’t they help him out of this massive stupidity problem?

    It’s a PARTNERSHIP. Reebok takes the biggest stars under contract and markets them for the union. They make money, the union makes money, the player gets a sniff. That’s how it works. The entire NFLPA is signed to that contract, and Reebok can pick and choose who they want to mass-produce jerseys for based upon supply and demand. You market what’s popular because that’s what the consumer wants. Supply and demand. If the demand is there, you supply it to make money. If you can supply a lot of them, you’ll make a lot of money in a hurry. For all you capitalists, this should be elementary.

    You wanna know why Chad Pennington and Joey Harrington and Ryan Leaf jerseys are on the backs of African kids? Because they can’t be sold. No one wants them. It’s not Reebok’s fault that the player sucks. They rolled the dice, and they lost in the regard. That’s where a write-off comes in. They can’t sell those jerseys because there is no demand. You write them off, and take the hit on the product. That’s a risk in the supply and demand chain that businesses face everyday.

    But Ocho Stupido decided to change his name. That’s completely different since he’s still a very popular player, and now Reebok has to eat $4 million in “Johnson” jerseys, and put out an additional $4 million in “Ocho Cinco” jerseys. That’s double the hit. If they simply told the public “we’re going to charge you double the price on an Ocho Cinco jersey due to that player’s ultimate stupidity and vanity”, consumers would be outraged. Reebok doesn’t want to eat $4 million in cost when it could have sold all of those jerseys had “The New OC” not pulled the carpet out from under Reebok’s feet.

    Reebok and the NFLPA were attempting to capitalize on the supply and demand aspect of the business when “Morono Stupido” decided that he needed he a new name. Reebok’s loss is entirely his fault, and he should be responsible for that aspect of his decision.

    If he had gotten married, there still wouldn’t be an issue because legally he can still go by his professional name. I’m sure you’ve heard of a guy named Gene Simmons. Not his real name. Not even close. Is still called by his Yiddish name by his mom. But we all call him Gene Simmons because that’s how we know him. He is legally allowed to sign as Gene Simmons on bank notes and whatever else, but it’s not his name. Why couldn’t he simply have been Chad Ocho Cinco off the field? Is that too much to ask? Or maybe change it at the end of the season before Reebok rattles off another 100,000 jerseys rather than at the start of the season.

    The key in this whole thing is that the union, who is supposed to support the player, hasn’t stepped in. Why? Because they don’t want to ruin the partnership with Reebok. Big business wins out over one player’s vanity. Since labor unions are an “all for one, one for all” situation, why shouldn’t Ocho Stupido pay? Personally, if I’m the judge presiding over this case, I’d tell Ocho Stupido to get his checkbook ready.

  • Beardface | September 11, 2008 at 6:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”288969″][quote comment=”288962″]I like the Canes’ new black jersey, but don’t like the silver squares on the trim.

    Gale flags are supposed to be red, not silver.[/quote]

    Then again, there’s really supposed to be two of them.[/quote]
    Once again… 1 flag = hurricane watch (within 36 hours), 2 flags = hurricane warning (within 24 hours)

    You’d think a UniWatch guy would have picked up on that loooooong ago

  • Beardface | September 11, 2008 at 6:51 pm |

    One of these things is not like the other………..

    http://cdn.nhl.com/i...

  • LI Phil | September 11, 2008 at 7:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”289046″]One of these things is not like the other………..

    http://cdn.nhl.com/i...

    one dude’s wearing flip flops

  • lwiedy | September 11, 2008 at 7:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”289047″][quote comment=”289046″]One of these things is not like the other………..

    http://cdn.nhl.com/i...

    one dude’s wearing flip flops[/quote]

    Where does he think he is, the White House?

  • Tom Farley | September 11, 2008 at 7:18 pm |

    I have maintained that people who prefer NFL over college never wen’t to a school with a football program or they prefer playing fantasy football…which is so wrong I won’t even start.
    Yeah, that statement is a load of crap. And went doesn’t have an apostrophe, Mr. College.

    I went to Northwestern, which had a crappy team while I was there but was still in the Big Ten, generally held to be a real football conference. Seeing as it was the first major conference, formed in 1896. I’d been a Packers fan for most of my first 18 years.

    I love college football. I love the NFL. The two thoughts are not mutually exclusive.

    And this is the wrong week to talk about the No Fun League, considering U. of Washington lost last Saturday because their QB had the nerve to be happy after scoring a touchdown in the final minute.

  • dwight | September 11, 2008 at 7:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”289048″][quote comment=”289047″][quote comment=”289046″]One of these things is not like the other………..

    http://cdn.nhl.com/i...

    one dude’s wearing flip flops[/quote]

    Where does he think he is, the White House?

    That’s not it – Drew Cary is famous, the rest are in the NHL
    [/quote]

  • LI Phil | September 11, 2008 at 7:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”289048″][quote comment=”289047″][quote comment=”289046″]One of these things is not like the other………..

    http://cdn.nhl.com/i...

    one dude’s wearing flip flops[/quote]

    Where does he think he is, the White House?[/quote]

    also, there are 5 human beings and a huge furry animal

  • Stuby | September 11, 2008 at 7:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”289047″][quote comment=”289046″]One of these things is not like the other………..

    http://cdn.nhl.com/i...

    one dude’s wearing flip flops[/quote]
    one has a nametag?

  • Tom Farley | September 11, 2008 at 7:25 pm |

    also, there are 5 human beings and a huge furry animal
    When did Chewbacca get glasses?

  • Greenie | September 11, 2008 at 7:26 pm |

    Skipped over all the other posts, so this may have been mentioned, but I was listening to 102.9 The Hog in Milwaukee this morning at 5am on my way to work, and the Bob and Brian recast from yesterday was playing.

    The first words I heard were “athletic aesthetics” and I knew they were talking about UniWatch. I didn’t get the whole schpiel, but they were talking about the Gene Upshaw patch in its enormous glory, and one of them went on to mention a lot of the other memorial patches that they read about here.

    Anyone else hear the broadcast?

  • Alex | September 11, 2008 at 7:46 pm |

    UNC wearing navy pants tonight vs Rutgers currently on ESPN.

    Is this the first time they’ve done it?

  • QuezStyle | September 11, 2008 at 7:46 pm |

    UNC is wearing brand new Navy blue pants with their white jerseys tonigh

  • Tom Farley | September 11, 2008 at 7:49 pm |

    Sorry, Greenie. I’m within range, but I’m more of a WXRT guy.

    Thanks for the Green Bay Press-Gazette link, Paul. Last season, as part of the Lambeau 50th anniversary celebration, the Press-Gazette put up dozens of great historical pictures from its archives. Scroll down to Photo Galleries on this page:

    http://www.greenbayp...

  • Stuby | September 11, 2008 at 7:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”289056″]UNC is wearing brand new Navy blue pants with their white jerseys tonigh[/quote]
    Navy is a more macho color, dontcha know.

  • Stuby | September 11, 2008 at 8:03 pm |

    I think this is one of those ‘lost in translation’ items. Just hope he doesn’t legally change his name…

    http://sports.yahoo....

  • oilfan | September 11, 2008 at 8:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”289044″][quote comment=”289033″]
    Hes in the union, part of that contract *allows* RBK to make jerseys. Ocho, never went ot RBK and said “make 10,000 of my jerseys” Knowing he’s a popular player they chose to make a ton of his jerseys, it’s their problem. I don’t like ocho, but he’s not in the wrong here. If he chose to randomly change his number maybe. He legally changed his name (for stupid reasons) the NFL says you have to use your real name, he’s not responsible for the stock issue. As someone pointed out, let say he got married and took her name, legally he could and the NFL can’t stop it and he should not be liable for old stock. If the NFL makes Hester change his number it shouldn’t fall on Hester to pay for the old stock either.[/quote]

    If he’s part of the union, why isn’t the union defending him then? They helped him get his massive contract, so why can’t they help him out of this massive stupidity problem?

    It’s a PARTNERSHIP. Reebok takes the biggest stars under contract and markets them for the union. They make money, the union makes money, the player gets a sniff. That’s how it works. The entire NFLPA is signed to that contract, and Reebok can pick and choose who they want to mass-produce jerseys for based upon supply and demand. You market what’s popular because that’s what the consumer wants. Supply and demand. If the demand is there, you supply it to make money. If you can supply a lot of them, you’ll make a lot of money in a hurry. For all you capitalists, this should be elementary.

    You wanna know why Chad Pennington and Joey Harrington and Ryan Leaf jerseys are on the backs of African kids? Because they can’t be sold. No one wants them. It’s not Reebok’s fault that the player sucks. They rolled the dice, and they lost in the regard. That’s where a write-off comes in. They can’t sell those jerseys because there is no demand. You write them off, and take the hit on the product. That’s a risk in the supply and demand chain that businesses face everyday.

    But Ocho Stupido decided to change his name. That’s completely different since he’s still a very popular player, and now Reebok has to eat $4 million in “Johnson” jerseys, and put out an additional $4 million in “Ocho Cinco” jerseys. That’s double the hit. If they simply told the public “we’re going to charge you double the price on an Ocho Cinco jersey due to that player’s ultimate stupidity and vanity”, consumers would be outraged. Reebok doesn’t want to eat $4 million in cost when it could have sold all of those jerseys had “The New OC” not pulled the carpet out from under Reebok’s feet.

    Reebok and the NFLPA were attempting to capitalize on the supply and demand aspect of the business when “Morono Stupido” decided that he needed he a new name. Reebok’s loss is entirely his fault, and he should be responsible for that aspect of his decision.

    If he had gotten married, there still wouldn’t be an issue because legally he can still go by his professional name. I’m sure you’ve heard of a guy named Gene Simmons. Not his real name. Not even close. Is still called by his Yiddish name by his mom. But we all call him Gene Simmons because that’s how we know him. He is legally allowed to sign as Gene Simmons on bank notes and whatever else, but it’s not his name. Why couldn’t he simply have been Chad Ocho Cinco off the field? Is that too much to ask? Or maybe change it at the end of the season before Reebok rattles off another 100,000 jerseys rather than at the start of the season.

    The key in this whole thing is that the union, who is supposed to support the player, hasn’t stepped in. Why? Because they don’t want to ruin the partnership with Reebok. Big business wins out over one player’s vanity. Since labor unions are an “all for one, one for all” situation, why shouldn’t Ocho Stupido pay? Personally, if I’m the judge presiding over this case, I’d tell Ocho Stupido to get his checkbook ready.[/quote]

    After listening to Rovell on the radio this afternoon on Prime Time Sports in Canada – it seems the the figure is more like $750K, not $4.8MM. And apparently since the jersey deal is part of the Group Licensing Agreement, that makes him responsible for it. If he didn’t want to be a part of it and get paid for all of the jeresys with his name or be on football cards, posters and etc. – all he had to do is pull a Lavar Arrington and cross out the clause in the Standard Player Contract – but then he wouldn’t be on anything – and he wouldn’t get paid for that.

    The real kicker here is – I find this really funny – is that Johnson is in Reebok’s stable as an endorser and didn’t think to contact them to give them a heads up about this

  • Ricko | September 11, 2008 at 8:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”289058″][quote comment=”289056″]UNC is wearing brand new Navy blue pants with their white jerseys tonigh[/quote]
    Navy is a more macho color, dontcha know.[/quote]

    Yup, hard to be intimidating and domininating in powder blue. Like, y’know, Michael Jordan and Earl Campbell were such wusses that opposing teams just laughed at ’em, I’m sure.

    Rutgers counters with the Popsicle look and black socks with, I dunno, wingtips, maybe? I mean, it IS Rutgers.

    Nah…red ain’t so bad. But being so insecure that you can’t be man in your team or school’s long-traditional powder blue? That’s…interesting.

  • Ben | September 11, 2008 at 8:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”289046″]One of these things is not like the other………..

    http://cdn.nhl.com/i...
    #7’s jersey doesn’t have the purple trim on the bottom like the rest.

  • Ben | September 11, 2008 at 8:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”289062″][quote comment=”289046″]One of these things is not like the other………..

    http://cdn.nhl.com/i...
    #7’s jersey doesn’t have the purple trim on the bottom like the rest.[/quote]
    WHOOPS…#7’s jersey HAS purple trim on the bottom and the rest do not.

  • Ricko | September 11, 2008 at 8:29 pm |

    “The real kicker here is – I find this really funny – is that Johnson is in Reebok’s stable as an endorser and didn’t think to contact them to give them a heads up about this.”

    Why would he think to do that? He can do anything he wants cuz everyone else just has to adjust. Cuz he’s Chad Whoever.

    Absolute Rule: Any guy who does a choreographed “look at me” TD celebration while the game is still in doubt KNOWING it will get his team a penalty should spend the rest of the game WAYYYYYYYY down at the end of the bench. Period.

    (This does NOT apply to the Washington Huskies QB).

    —Ricko

  • Stuby | September 11, 2008 at 8:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”289061″][quote comment=”289058″][quote comment=”289056″]UNC is wearing brand new Navy blue pants with their white jerseys tonigh[/quote]
    Navy is a more macho color, dontcha know.[/quote]

    Yup, hard to be intimidating and domininating in powder blue. Like, y’know, Michael Jordan and Earl Campbell were such wusses that opposing teams just laughed at ’em, I’m sure.

    Rutgers counters with the Popsicle look and black socks with, I dunno, wingtips, maybe? I mean, it IS Rutgers.

    Nah…red ain’t so bad. But being so insecure that you can’t be man in your team or school’s long-traditional powder blue? That’s…interesting.[/quote]
    You’ll notice that Butch Davis has a navy sweater thing on. Don’t he really wants anything to do with the school’s actual color.

    Kinda like navy becoming a Miami Dolphins color all of a sudden.

  • Teebz | September 11, 2008 at 8:35 pm |

    If Ocho Stupido wants his name on the back, just remove the frigging nameplate and make him play nameless. He already has “8” and “5” on his back.

    Case closed. Over and out. Put this one to bed. Turn the lights out ‘cuz the party is over.

  • Ricko | September 11, 2008 at 8:38 pm |

    Things have gone a little too far when a coach can change the colors of a major university’s athletic program just because he feels like it.

    It’s about time for alumni everywhere to start telling their presidents/chancellors to inform incoming coaches, “If you don’t like our school colors, don’t take the job.”

  • Stuby | September 11, 2008 at 8:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”289067″]Things have gone a little too far when a coach can change the colors of a major university’s athletic program just because he feels like it.

    It’s about time for alumni everywhere to start telling their presidents/chancellors to inform incoming coaches, “If you don’t like our school colors, don’t take the job.”[/quote]
    I know we’ve talked about this here before, but there’s an overall trend to go with darker colors. The Rams, Pats, Bills, Seahawks, Broncos among others in the NFL and schools like Pitt, BYU, Carolina, and Oregon. What gives?

  • Ben | September 11, 2008 at 8:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”289067″]Things have gone a little too far when a coach can change the colors of a major university’s athletic program just because he feels like it.

    It’s about time for alumni everywhere to start telling their presidents/chancellors to inform incoming coaches, “If you don’t like our school colors, don’t take the job.”[/quote]
    I agree with your take, but living in N Carolina I’ve noticed that the university as a whole seems to be working the navy blue into their apparel, etc. Not a Tarheel fan but those navy pants look like crap.

  • Tom Farley | September 11, 2008 at 8:53 pm |

    Absolute Rule: Any guy who does a choreographed “look at me” TD celebration while the game is still in doubt KNOWING it will get his team a penalty should spend the rest of the game WAYYYYYYYY down at the end of the bench. Period.
    Agreed, Ricko. I can make the distinction between exuberance and taunting. I’m sure the NCAA’s men in stripes can do it, too.

    Things have gone a little too far when a coach can change the colors of a major university’s athletic program just because he feels like it. It’s about time for alumni everywhere to start telling their presidents/chancellors to inform incoming coaches, “If you don’t like our school colors, don’t take the job.”
    Agreed again. I went hunting to see if navy was official-but-underused a la purple at Clemson. Nothing on the official school sites suggests it is.

  • Ricko | September 11, 2008 at 8:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”289068″][quote comment=”289067″]Things have gone a little too far when a coach can change the colors of a major university’s athletic program just because he feels like it.

    It’s about time for alumni everywhere to start telling their presidents/chancellors to inform incoming coaches, “If you don’t like our school colors, don’t take the job.”[/quote]
    I know we’ve talked about this here before, but there’s an overall trend to go with darker colors. The Rams, Pats, Bills, Seahawks, Broncos among others in the NFL and schools like Pitt, BYU, Carolina, and Oregon. What gives?[/quote]

    Gotta look like video game. Be studly mucho macho because, evidently, you’re not man enough to be taken seriously if you wear, oh, say, royal blue.

  • QuezStyle | September 11, 2008 at 8:56 pm |

    Carolina has been wearing navy as a tertiary color since WAY back. Its made a reappearance especially for football as part of the “Tar Pit” that Davis introduced when he got to Carolina, as a way to make the student section set apart from the rest of the stadium. Navy also appears on all of the warm-ups for almost all of the UNC teams

  • Beardface | September 11, 2008 at 8:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”289063″][quote comment=”289062″][quote comment=”289046″]One of these things is not like the other………..

    http://cdn.nhl.com/i...
    #7’s jersey doesn’t have the purple trim on the bottom like the rest.[/quote]
    WHOOPS…#7’s jersey HAS purple trim on the bottom and the rest do not.[/quote]
    i.e. #7 is not in a Reebok EDGE, which means he’s wearing a jersey thats at least 2 years old

  • interlockingtc | September 11, 2008 at 9:01 pm |

    The Shea Stadium pictures have me waxing nostalgic. Again. But when you are a baseball loving 9 year old in 1969 and you see the Mets in the World Series on TV, it leaves an impression. It was cosmopolitan and futuristic and otherworldly in the eyes of a young boy living in the middle of nowhere in the midwest. It will always have a spot in my heart…much like its country cousin from the same era, Met Stadium.

    http://prescott.imbr...

  • Ricko | September 11, 2008 at 9:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”289069″][quote comment=”289067″]Things have gone a little too far when a coach can change the colors of a major university’s athletic program just because he feels like it.

    It’s about time for alumni everywhere to start telling their presidents/chancellors to inform incoming coaches, “If you don’t like our school colors, don’t take the job.”[/quote]
    I agree with your take, but living in N Carolina I’ve noticed that the university as a whole seems to be working the navy blue into their apparel, etc. Not a Tarheel fan but those navy pants look like crap.[/quote]

    I can see it for streetwear. Fans maybe don’t want to try to keep a powder blue jacket clean. But, man, we’re talking about the color worn on the court and the field by those incredible basketball teams and football players like Lawrence Taylor. Someone says you look wimpy in your powder blue jersey, take away the paint or de-cleat him. He’ll shut up real fast.

  • Tom Farley | September 11, 2008 at 9:03 pm |

    Carolina has been wearing navy as a tertiary color since WAY back.
    Well, there you go. I obviously didn’t dig deep enough, Quezstyle. Thanks for the insight.

  • QuezStyle | September 11, 2008 at 9:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”289075″][quote comment=”289069″][quote comment=”289067″]Things have gone a little too far when a coach can change the colors of a major university’s athletic program just because he feels like it.

    It’s about time for alumni everywhere to start telling their presidents/chancellors to inform incoming coaches, “If you don’t like our school colors, don’t take the job.”[/quote]
    I agree with your take, but living in N Carolina I’ve noticed that the university as a whole seems to be working the navy blue into their apparel, etc. Not a Tarheel fan but those navy pants look like crap.[/quote]

    I can see it for streetwear. Fans maybe don’t want to try to keep a powder blue jacket clean. But, man, we’re talking about the color worn on the court and the field by those incredible basketball teams and football players like Lawrence Taylor. Someone says you look wimpy in your powder blue jersey, take away the paint or de-cleat him. He’ll shut up real fast.[/quote]

    Its not about “looking wimpy” its about re-branding a team that have been the laughing stock of the campus for the last almost 15 yrs

  • Ben | September 11, 2008 at 9:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”289070″]Absolute Rule: Any guy who does a choreographed “look at me” TD celebration while the game is still in doubt KNOWING it will get his team a penalty should spend the rest of the game WAYYYYYYYY down at the end of the bench. Period.
    Agreed, Ricko. I can make the distinction between exuberance and taunting. I’m sure the NCAA’s men in stripes can do it, too.

    Things have gone a little too far when a coach can change the colors of a major university’s athletic program just because he feels like it. It’s about time for alumni everywhere to start telling their presidents/chancellors to inform incoming coaches, “If you don’t like our school colors, don’t take the job.”
    Agreed again. I went hunting to see if navy was official-but-underused a la purple at Clemson. Nothing on the official school sites suggests it is.[/quote]
    I lived in Clemson for about 8 years starting around 1988. Purple was not an official color but had been worn in the 40’s or 50’s as an accent color and the fan base would always ask about maybe re-introducing it on sports call in shows, etc. After Danny Ford was shown the door Ken Hatfield (who was previously employed by Rice, a predominantly purple school)siezed on this and starting introducing it into the uniforms a little at a time until eventually wearing purple jerseys in a bowl game. He even had the team warm up in orange and change right before kick-off. If I remember correctly, it was early 90’s and the reaction was favorable. It continued as an accent color for a couple more years, making a special appearance here and there as a jersey, but these last few years under Bowden it’s almost become their primary color. Danny Ford didn’t even use the navy blue. Strictly Orange and white with thin black stripes surrounding wide white one on helmet, and outlining jersey numbers. Basketball team has always worn navy as an alternate road jersey, but I’m not sure if they’ve embraced the purple like the football team has.

  • Paul Lukas | September 11, 2008 at 9:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”289040″]http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/2008/09/10/2008-09-10_giants_and_jets_fans_join_uproar_over_st.html

    Naming rights squabble in NYC. Comments, Paul?[/quote]

    I’m opposed to all corporate naming-rights deals, whether or not the corporation in question helped support the murder of my family.

  • Ben | September 11, 2008 at 9:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”289072″]Carolina has been wearing navy as a tertiary color since WAY back. Its made a reappearance especially for football as part of the “Tar Pit” that Davis introduced when he got to Carolina, as a way to make the student section set apart from the rest of the stadium. Navy also appears on all of the warm-ups for almost all of the UNC teams[/quote]
    It’s not the color of the pants that I object to, it’s the style. Either have a freakin’ stripe or don’t.

  • Ricko | September 11, 2008 at 9:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”289077″][quote comment=”289075″][quote comment=”289069″][quote comment=”289067″]Things have gone a little too far when a coach can change the colors of a major university’s athletic program just because he feels like it.

    It’s about time for alumni everywhere to start telling their presidents/chancellors to inform incoming coaches, “If you don’t like our school colors, don’t take the job.”[/quote]
    I agree with your take, but living in N Carolina I’ve noticed that the university as a whole seems to be working the navy blue into their apparel, etc. Not a Tarheel fan but those navy pants look like crap.[/quote]

    I can see it for streetwear. Fans maybe don’t want to try to keep a powder blue jacket clean. But, man, we’re talking about the color worn on the court and the field by those incredible basketball teams and football players like Lawrence Taylor. Someone says you look wimpy in your powder blue jersey, take away the paint or de-cleat him. He’ll shut up real fast.[/quote]

    Its not about “looking wimpy” its about re-branding a team that have been the laughing stock of the campus for the last almost 15 yrs[/quote]

    And the color apparently is part of why they’re a laughstock, someone there believes. Otherwise why change it? Here’s an idea: Try better players. Usually works really well. The color of the unis doesn’t seem to have had any such “laughinstock” effect on the basketball or baseball teams.

  • Tom Farley | September 11, 2008 at 9:17 pm |

    Ben, I have noticed the increased use of purple at Clemson in recent years.

    The national champs of … ’81, right? … were my introduction to Clemson, and those all-orange unis had me thinking that was just black trim on the numerals. When purple started making a comeback, my first thought was “Orange and purple are the school colors?” But of course they are, so I withdrew my objection. (The one in the courtroom in my head, of course.)

    And if navy is an official UNC school color, then I yield. Having only seen the Carolina blue and white, I thought the pants were akin to Barnett putting black into my alma mater’s uniforms in the ’90s.

  • QuezStyle | September 11, 2008 at 9:18 pm |

    Sorry for not being specific. Navy blue has been used as the “tar” since the inception of the footprint logo.
    http://www.sportslog...

    Anyway the use of Navy is apparent all over UNC’s teams. not just in warmups, but in competition uniforms, such as UNC fencing’s use of one Carolina Blue and one Navy blue sock in meets. There is navy in the stripes on the football helmets, in the argyle of the basketball team.

    Its not a Butch Davis fabrication

  • Ricko | September 11, 2008 at 9:20 pm |

    Clemson wore purple helmets and jerseys in the late 60s and/or early 70s. That’s when the tiger paw logo was first introduced—in orange on a purple helmet.

    The baseball team has worn purple hats (and jerseys many times) as long as ESPN has been televising NCAA baseball.

  • QuezStyle | September 11, 2008 at 9:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”289081″][quote comment=”289077″][quote comment=”289075″][quote comment=”289069″][quote comment=”289067″]Things have gone a little too far when a coach can change the colors of a major university’s athletic program just because he feels like it.

    It’s about time for alumni everywhere to start telling their presidents/chancellors to inform incoming coaches, “If you don’t like our school colors, don’t take the job.”[/quote]
    I agree with your take, but living in N Carolina I’ve noticed that the university as a whole seems to be working the navy blue into their apparel, etc. Not a Tarheel fan but those navy pants look like crap.[/quote]

    I can see it for streetwear. Fans maybe don’t want to try to keep a powder blue jacket clean. But, man, we’re talking about the color worn on the court and the field by those incredible basketball teams and football players like Lawrence Taylor. Someone says you look wimpy in your powder blue jersey, take away the paint or de-cleat him. He’ll shut up real fast.[/quote]

    Its not about “looking wimpy” its about re-branding a team that have been the laughing stock of the campus for the last almost 15 yrs[/quote]

    And the color apparently is part of why they’re a laughstock, someone there believes. Otherwise why change it? Here’s an idea: Try better players. Usually works really well. The color of the unis doesn’t seem to have had any such “laughinstock” effect on the basketball or baseball teams.[/quote]

    17-6 at half…I’d say the “better players” idea is working out well

  • LI Phil | September 11, 2008 at 9:25 pm |

    have you ever been de-cleated, ricko?

  • Ben | September 11, 2008 at 9:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”289082″]Ben, I have noticed the increased use of purple at Clemson in recent years.

    The national champs of … ’81, right? … were my introduction to Clemson, and those all-orange unis had me thinking that was just black trim on the numerals. When purple started making a comeback, my first thought was “Orange and purple are the school colors?” But of course they are, so I withdrew my objection. (The one in the courtroom in my head, of course.)

    And if navy is an official UNC school color, then I yield. Having only seen the Carolina blue and white, I thought the pants were akin to Barnett putting black into my alma mater’s uniforms in the ’90s.[/quote]
    Just checked SI’s Vault…the Perry Tuttle national Champion cover shows white stripe on orange helmet and pants sandwiched with thinner black stripes(if I was smart enough to put a link in here I would). One of the points I was trying to make was that purple was NOT an official color at that time. It was orange and navy. Purple has been introduced in the last several years. I don’t know when it was made an official color (haven’t lived there since ’97)by the University as a whole. I also remember growing up in N Carolina as a kid (late 70’s early 80’s), Carolina was strictly “carolina” blue and white. The navy is a fairly recent thing. Don’t know if it was introduced or re-introduced.

  • MPowers1634 | September 11, 2008 at 9:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”289078″][quote comment=”289070″]Absolute Rule: Any guy who does a choreographed “look at me” TD celebration while the game is still in doubt KNOWING it will get his team a penalty should spend the rest of the game WAYYYYYYYY down at the end of the bench. Period.
    Agreed, Ricko. I can make the distinction between exuberance and taunting. I’m sure the NCAA’s men in stripes can do it, too.

    Things have gone a little too far when a coach can change the colors of a major university’s athletic program just because he feels like it. It’s about time for alumni everywhere to start telling their presidents/chancellors to inform incoming coaches, “If you don’t like our school colors, don’t take the job.”
    Agreed again. I went hunting to see if navy was official-but-underused a la purple at Clemson. Nothing on the official school sites suggests it is.[/quote]
    I lived in Clemson for about 8 years starting around 1988. Purple was not an official color but had been worn in the 40’s or 50’s as an accent color and the fan base would always ask about maybe re-introducing it on sports call in shows, etc. After Danny Ford was shown the door Ken Hatfield (who was previously employed by Rice, a predominantly purple school)siezed on this and starting introducing it into the uniforms a little at a time until eventually wearing purple jerseys in a bowl game. He even had the team warm up in orange and change right before kick-off. If I remember correctly, it was early 90’s and the reaction was favorable. It continued as an accent color for a couple more years, making a special appearance here and there as a jersey, but these last few years under Bowden it’s almost become their primary color. Danny Ford didn’t even use the navy blue. Strictly Orange and white with thin black stripes surrounding wide white one on helmet, and outlining jersey numbers. Basketball team has always worn navy as an alternate road jersey, but I’m not sure if they’ve embraced the purple like the football team has.[/quote]

    I am perhaps the ONLY Clemson fan north of the Mason/Dixon line or so it seems.

    The purple phenomenon reached it’s peak on October 21, 2006 against Reggie Ball, Calvin Johnson and the rest of Georgia Tech during a nationally televised Thursday night game on ESPN.

    What was amazing is that much like what Georgia did this past season with their black-out, the team came out for warm-ups in all orange.

    They then went into the locker room only to appear before Howard’s Rock, clad in all-purple.

    James Davis, CJ Spiller and Charlie Whitehurst proceeded to beat on the Yellow Jackets as if they owed them money!

    http://l.yimg.com/g/...

    One of my more favorite football games ever.

  • MPowers1634 | September 11, 2008 at 9:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”289088″][quote comment=”289078″][quote comment=”289070″]Absolute Rule: Any guy who does a choreographed “look at me” TD celebration while the game is still in doubt KNOWING it will get his team a penalty should spend the rest of the game WAYYYYYYYY down at the end of the bench. Period.
    Agreed, Ricko. I can make the distinction between exuberance and taunting. I’m sure the NCAA’s men in stripes can do it, too.

    Things have gone a little too far when a coach can change the colors of a major university’s athletic program just because he feels like it. It’s about time for alumni everywhere to start telling their presidents/chancellors to inform incoming coaches, “If you don’t like our school colors, don’t take the job.”
    Agreed again. I went hunting to see if navy was official-but-underused a la purple at Clemson. Nothing on the official school sites suggests it is.[/quote]
    I lived in Clemson for about 8 years starting around 1988. Purple was not an official color but had been worn in the 40’s or 50’s as an accent color and the fan base would always ask about maybe re-introducing it on sports call in shows, etc. After Danny Ford was shown the door Ken Hatfield (who was previously employed by Rice, a predominantly purple school)siezed on this and starting introducing it into the uniforms a little at a time until eventually wearing purple jerseys in a bowl game. He even had the team warm up in orange and change right before kick-off. If I remember correctly, it was early 90’s and the reaction was favorable. It continued as an accent color for a couple more years, making a special appearance here and there as a jersey, but these last few years under Bowden it’s almost become their primary color. Danny Ford didn’t even use the navy blue. Strictly Orange and white with thin black stripes surrounding wide white one on helmet, and outlining jersey numbers. Basketball team has always worn navy as an alternate road jersey, but I’m not sure if they’ve embraced the purple like the football team has.[/quote]

    I am perhaps the ONLY Clemson fan north of the Mason/Dixon line or so it seems.

    The purple phenomenon reached it’s peak on October 21, 2006 against Reggie Ball, Calvin Johnson and the rest of Georgia Tech during a nationally televised Thursday night game on ESPN.

    What was amazing is that much like what Georgia did this past season with their black-out, the team came out for warm-ups in all orange.

    They then went into the locker room only to appear before Howard’s Rock, clad in all-purple.

    James Davis, CJ Spiller and Charlie Whitehurst proceeded to beat on the Yellow Jackets as if they owed them money!

    http://l.yimg.com/g/...

    One of my more favorite football games ever.[/quote]
    Here ya go:
    http://www.pickens.k...

  • Ben | September 11, 2008 at 9:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”289084″]Clemson wore purple helmets and jerseys in the late 60s and/or early 70s. That’s when the tiger paw logo was first introduced—in orange on a purple helmet.

    The baseball team has worn purple hats (and jerseys many times) as long as ESPN has been televising NCAA baseball.[/quote]
    If I remember correctly, the baseball team was the first to re-introduce the purple, and that’s what started the fans questioning bringing purple back to the football uniforms. Apparently I was off on my years if they had purple helmets in the 60’s.

  • =bg= | September 11, 2008 at 9:34 pm |

    Yahoo! now Gets It™, with UW/Lukas mention.

    http://sports.yahoo....

    Yup, the Greet Dot is actually on Yahoo’s! front page. Slo news day..just the 9/11 anniv and a killer huricane headed to Tx.

  • Ricko | September 11, 2008 at 9:35 pm |

    Purple often looks black or navy blue on television, notably in years past when technology wasn’t as good as it is today (sometimes Vikings would look navy for an entire telecast, especially during the early years of he Merodome).

    My point? I’d be willing to bet good money that the black on those Danny Ford era unis (or most any other Clemson team’s unis for that matter) was purple, not black or navy…but it sure as hell may have looked like one or the other on TV or even in person under some older indoor arena lighting.

    I remember one year in the early 60s the Gopher basketball team wore white at home. From the stands at Williams Arena the lettering, trim and striping looked navy. I’d have SWORN it was navy, and couldn’t figured out WHY it would be. But up close, sure as hell, it was maroon.

  • Tom Farley | September 11, 2008 at 9:36 pm |

    They then went into the locker room only to appear before Howard’s Rock, clad in all-purple.
    I do like that kind of pre-game switcheroo, as Devine did with the Irish when he had Montana.

    It’s funny that such a stunt fires up the students and alumni. It’s also pretty cool that it does.

  • Ben | September 11, 2008 at 9:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”289092″]Purple often looks black or navy blue on television, notably in years past when technology wasn’t as good as it is today (sometimes Vikings would look navy for an entire telecast, especially during the early years of he Merodome).

    My point? I’d be willing to bet good money that the black on those Danny Ford era unis (or most any other Clemson team’s unis for that matter) was purple, not black or navy…but it sure as hell may have looked like one or the other on TV or even in person under some older indoor arena lighting.

    I remember one year in the early 60s the Gopher basketball team wore white at home. From the stands at Williams Arena the lettering, trim and striping looked navy. I’d have SWORN it was navy, and couldn’t figured out WHY it would be. But up close, sure as hell, it was maroon.[/quote]
    Nope…It was definitely black. You couldn’t walk ten feet down the main drag in Clemson without seeing a replica jersey or helmet . Every business in town at that time was either sporting goods/fan apparel or a bar.

  • Tom Farley | September 11, 2008 at 9:39 pm |

    Purple often looks black or navy blue on television, notably in years past when technology wasn’t as good as it is today (sometimes Vikings would look navy for an entire telecast, especially during the early years of he Merodome).
    It sure does. The Kareem-Magic-Worthy Lakers had that navy-blue look on the road.

  • LI Phil | September 11, 2008 at 9:39 pm |

    if you go here, acc (NCAA+Atlantic Coast)and scroll down…you’ll see clemson’s helmet history since the early 1960s

    apparently there is no purple helmet

  • Ricko | September 11, 2008 at 9:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”289090″][quote comment=”289084″]Clemson wore purple helmets and jerseys in the late 60s and/or early 70s. That’s when the tiger paw logo was first introduced—in orange on a purple helmet.

    The baseball team has worn purple hats (and jerseys many times) as long as ESPN has been televising NCAA baseball.[/quote]
    If I remember correctly, the baseball team was the first to re-introduce the purple, and that’s what started the fans questioning bringing purple back to the football uniforms. Apparently I was off on my years if they had purple helmets in the 60’s.[/quote]

    Somewhere in all my crap I have at least black and white photos from that era. Neither Clemson uni color is especially dark, but the helmet and jersey are noticeably darker and the paw print lighter. I suspect it was a lighter shade of purple than that employed these days, probably the typicial bright purple-orange “psychedelic” combination so prevalent during that time.

    Speaking of odd colors…anyone got any color photos of TCU’s lavender jerseys…with purple and white trim, silver helmets and pants? Was back when WR Mike Renfro (later of the Oilers) played there. I think I have a b&w somewhere, but have never seen a color shot.

  • LI Phil | September 11, 2008 at 9:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”289097″]Speaking of odd colors…anyone got any color photos of TCU’s lavender jerseys…with purple and white trim, silver helmets and pants? Was back when WR Mike Renfro (later of the Oilers) played there. I think I have a b&w somewhere, but have never seen a color shot.[/quote]

    check this shit out

    WHAT the hell color is that helmet???

  • QuezStyle | September 11, 2008 at 9:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”289098″][quote comment=”289097″]Speaking of odd colors…anyone got any color photos of TCU’s lavender jerseys…with purple and white trim, silver helmets and pants? Was back when WR Mike Renfro (later of the Oilers) played there. I think I have a b&w somewhere, but have never seen a color shot.[/quote]

    check this shit out

    WHAT the hell color is that helmet???[/quote]

    Lavender?

  • MPowers1634 | September 11, 2008 at 9:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”289025″][quote comment=”289018″][quote]let’s just try and be polite and answer someone’s question.[/quote]

    it was answered, and politely, before douggie made that well thought-out list

    i’d be willing to bet that there is an answer to the “captaincy patches” in this site’s FAQ…as well as to all the other questions…wouldn’t know tho, never read it ;) (and if those questions aren’t in the FAQ…then maybe they SHOULD be!)

    maybe PL should put a disclaimer at the top of the page to ‘always check the FAQ’ first…

    then we wouldn’t have certain questions asked ad infinitum

    …now then…why don’t the white sox wear white socks?[/quote]
    …or let one person answer the question and then everyone else can stop wasting their valuable time writing about how they have to answer the same questions over and over. Also checked the FAQ, and while there’s lots of good info there’s no mention of captaincy patches…;)[/quote]

    However funny and appropriate the list of annoying questions was, Ben is right.
    If we, in the know, respond to questions in a snarky tone, no newbies will ever become involved with the blog.

    Had some of the old-timers done that to us when we were in their position, I’m sure we all would have told UW to go scratch!

    So let’s have some patience, shall we?

    Good form, Ben!

  • Ricko | September 11, 2008 at 9:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”289086″]have you ever been de-cleated, ricko?[/quote]

    Yes. Got spun up in the air after going up to catch a square-in. Kinda like that often-seen highlight of Nat Moore. That was followed by a half-hour or so the doctor told me I’d probably never remember. He was right. LOL

  • Ben | September 11, 2008 at 9:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”289100″][quote comment=”289025″][quote comment=”289018″][quote]let’s just try and be polite and answer someone’s question.[/quote]

    it was answered, and politely, before douggie made that well thought-out list

    i’d be willing to bet that there is an answer to the “captaincy patches” in this site’s FAQ…as well as to all the other questions…wouldn’t know tho, never read it ;) (and if those questions aren’t in the FAQ…then maybe they SHOULD be!)

    maybe PL should put a disclaimer at the top of the page to ‘always check the FAQ’ first…

    then we wouldn’t have certain questions asked ad infinitum

    …now then…why don’t the white sox wear white socks?[/quote]
    …or let one person answer the question and then everyone else can stop wasting their valuable time writing about how they have to answer the same questions over and over. Also checked the FAQ, and while there’s lots of good info there’s no mention of captaincy patches…;)[/quote]

    However funny and appropriate the list of annoying questions was, Ben is right.
    If we, in the know, respond to questions in a snarky tone, no newbies will ever become involved with the blog.

    Had some of the old-timers done that to us when we were in their position, I’m sure we all would have told UW to go scratch!

    So let’s have some patience, shall we?

    Good form, Ben![/quote]
    Thanks…oh, and can anyone tell me if the Bucaneers are getting a new number font? LOL

  • Ricko | September 11, 2008 at 10:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”289099″][quote comment=”289098″][quote comment=”289097″]Speaking of odd colors…anyone got any color photos of TCU’s lavender jerseys…with purple and white trim, silver helmets and pants? Was back when WR Mike Renfro (later of the Oilers) played there. I think I have a b&w somewhere, but have never seen a color shot.[/quote]

    check this shit out

    WHAT the hell color is that helmet???[/quote]

    Lavender?[/quote]

    Color matching from fabric to plastic back then was “imprecise” to say the least. Like this…
    http://vault.sportsi...

    or this, for purple looking a little blue…
    http://vault.sportsi...

    and this…
    http://vault.sportsi...

  • LI Phil | September 11, 2008 at 10:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”289101″][quote comment=”289086″]have you ever been de-cleated, ricko?[/quote]

    Yes. Got spun up in the air after going up to catch a square-in. Kinda like that often-seen highlight of Nat Moore. That was followed by a half-hour or so the doctor told me I’d probably never remember. He was right. LOL[/quote]

    that was just after the forward pass became legal, yes?

  • Ricko | September 11, 2008 at 10:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”289104″][quote comment=”289101″][quote comment=”289086″]have you ever been de-cleated, ricko?[/quote]

    Yes. Got spun up in the air after going up to catch a square-in. Kinda like that often-seen highlight of Nat Moore. That was followed by a half-hour or so the doctor told me I’d probably never remember. He was right. LOL[/quote]

    that was just after the forward pass became legal, yes?[/quote]

    Gus had a helluvan arm, yes.

  • Ben | September 11, 2008 at 10:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”289103″][quote comment=”289099″][quote comment=”289098″][quote comment=”289097″]Speaking of odd colors…anyone got any color photos of TCU’s lavender jerseys…with purple and white trim, silver helmets and pants? Was back when WR Mike Renfro (later of the Oilers) played there. I think I have a b&w somewhere, but have never seen a color shot.[/quote]

    check this shit out

    WHAT the hell color is that helmet???[/quote]

    Lavender?[/quote]

    Color matching from fabric to plastic back then was “imprecise” to say the least. Like this…
    http://vault.sportsi...

    or this, for purple looking a little blue…
    http://vault.sportsi...

    and this…
    http://vault.sportsi...
    Never realized the Vikings ever went with such a plain jersey. In the first picture you have sleeve stripes and the numbers are outlined. In the other two pictures, jerseys are puple with white numerals. No stripes or outlines.

  • MPowers1634 | September 11, 2008 at 10:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”289019″]

    Forgive my baseball ignorance for the second time this week, but what does the 1/16 really signigy on Buffett’s jersey?

    1/16 is the lowest fraction of a share that can be traded.
    (From Darren Rovell’s blog)[/quote]

    Thank you, Al…see clowns, it isn’t that hard to do!

  • Ben | September 11, 2008 at 10:13 pm |

    Well, it’s 38-6. I believe superstition dictates that the navy pants with the “it’s a stripe/no it’s not” are here to stay.

  • Jacob | September 11, 2008 at 10:14 pm |

    wow someone doesnt “get it”

    http://sports.yahoo....

  • Ricko | September 11, 2008 at 10:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”289106″][quote comment=”289103″][quote comment=”289099″][quote comment=”289098″][quote comment=”289097″]Speaking of odd colors…anyone got any color photos of TCU’s lavender jerseys…with purple and white trim, silver helmets and pants? Was back when WR Mike Renfro (later of the Oilers) played there. I think I have a b&w somewhere, but have never seen a color shot.[/quote]

    check this shit out

    WHAT the hell color is that helmet???[/quote]

    Lavender?[/quote]

    Color matching from fabric to plastic back then was “imprecise” to say the least. Like this…
    http://vault.sportsi...

    or this, for purple looking a little blue…
    http://vault.sportsi...

    and this…
    http://vault.sportsi...
    Never realized the Vikings ever went with such a plain jersey. In the first picture you have sleeve stripes and the numbers are outlined. In the other two pictures, jerseys are puple with white numerals. No stripes or outlines.[/quote]

    Yeah, they went to those in 1970, I think. Remember that 1969 patch on the jerseys with stripes. Lasted a few years, then went back to the stripes.

    Here’s ’69…
    http://vault.sportsi...

  • LI Phil | September 11, 2008 at 10:18 pm |

    [quote]Never realized the Vikings ever went with such a plain jersey. In the first picture you have sleeve stripes and the numbers are outlined. In the other two pictures, jerseys are puple with white numerals. No stripes or outlines.[/quote]

    even more amazing is that they started with the stripes in ’61 and didn’t lose the stripes till ’69

    usually, especially today…teams are adding shit to the jersey, not removing it

  • Ben | September 11, 2008 at 10:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”289111″][quote]Never realized the Vikings ever went with such a plain jersey. In the first picture you have sleeve stripes and the numbers are outlined. In the other two pictures, jerseys are puple with white numerals. No stripes or outlines.[/quote]

    even more amazing is that they started with the stripes in ’61 and didn’t lose the stripes till ’69

    usually, especially today…teams are adding shit to the jersey, not removing it[/quote]
    Yeah…just look at those clown suits they’re wearing now.

  • LI Phil | September 11, 2008 at 10:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”289112″][quote comment=”289111″][quote]Never realized the Vikings ever went with such a plain jersey. In the first picture you have sleeve stripes and the numbers are outlined. In the other two pictures, jerseys are puple with white numerals. No stripes or outlines.[/quote]

    even more amazing is that they started with the stripes in ’61 and didn’t lose the stripes till ’69

    usually, especially today…teams are adding shit to the jersey, not removing it[/quote]
    Yeah…just look at those clown suits they’re wearing now.[/quote]

    you mean the all purple dealio?

  • Ricko | September 11, 2008 at 10:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”289108″]Well, it’s 38-6. I believe superstition dictates that the navy pants with the “it’s a stripe/no it’s not” are here to stay.[/quote]

    Honestly don’t mind the pants so much, cuz the road is where a team can mess around a bit. It’s the thought they’ll probably go to navy jerseys at home that bugs me. Powder helmet, navy jersey and white pants would look pretty good, actually, sort of a version of last week’s Illinois throwbacks. But wouldn’t look like North Carolina. Of course, I suppose that’s what they’re after.

    A shame, though, more homogenizing—and limiting—of the color palette in sports uniforms.

  • Tom Farley | September 11, 2008 at 10:30 pm |

    you mean the all purple dealio?
    Ha! Phil’s in the zone, people.

  • LI Phil | September 11, 2008 at 10:30 pm |

    whoops…my bad…

    here’s the vikes in all purplein 1964!

    …which of course…led to this nightmare last year

  • Ben | September 11, 2008 at 10:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”289113″][quote comment=”289112″][quote comment=”289111″][quote]Never realized the Vikings ever went with such a plain jersey. In the first picture you have sleeve stripes and the numbers are outlined. In the other two pictures, jerseys are puple with white numerals. No stripes or outlines.[/quote]

    even more amazing is that they started with the stripes in ’61 and didn’t lose the stripes till ’69

    usually, especially today…teams are adding shit to the jersey, not removing it[/quote]
    Yeah…just look at those clown suits they’re wearing now.[/quote]

    you mean the all purple dealio?[/quote]
    Quick to the “juicing room”!

  • QuezStyle | September 11, 2008 at 10:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”289114″][quote comment=”289108″]Well, it’s 38-6. I believe superstition dictates that the navy pants with the “it’s a stripe/no it’s not” are here to stay.[/quote]

    Honestly don’t mind the pants so much, cuz the road is where a team can mess around a bit. It’s the thought they’ll probably go to navy jerseys at home that bugs me. Powder helmet, navy jersey and white pants would look pretty good, actually, sort of a version of last week’s Illinois throwbacks. But wouldn’t look like North Carolina. Of course, I suppose that’s what they’re after.

    A shame, though, more homogenizing—and limiting—of the color palette in sports uniforms.[/quote]

    there are rumors of this exact combo

  • derek | September 11, 2008 at 10:33 pm |

    haha look at thing

    http://sports.yahoo....

  • Ricko | September 11, 2008 at 10:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”289111″][quote]Never realized the Vikings ever went with such a plain jersey. In the first picture you have sleeve stripes and the numbers are outlined. In the other two pictures, jerseys are puple with white numerals. No stripes or outlines.[/quote]

    even more amazing is that they started with the stripes in ’61 and didn’t lose the stripes till ’69

    usually, especially today…teams are adding shit to the jersey, not removing it[/quote]

    Early and mid-70s became the era of the “hot weather” alernate jerseys in the NFL (especially in preseason) and for some NCAA teams. Mesh with nothing but numbers. I remember how odd the 49ers looked without their three stripes. I think those “stripeless” orange Auburn jerseys were an example of it, too.

  • LI Phil | September 11, 2008 at 10:34 pm |

    appropos of nothing ‘carolina’ (powder) blue unis…

    im sorry, but this is a ting of beauty

  • derek | September 11, 2008 at 10:34 pm |

    i meeant to say, look at this*

  • Ben | September 11, 2008 at 10:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”289116″]whoops…my bad…

    here’s the vikes in all purplein 1964!

    …which of course…led to this nightmare last year[/quote]
    I know Ricko will know this, but was the 64 all purple Vikings game some sort of uniform mix-up? My apologies if it’s been covered before, but if that was intentional the Vikings were about 40 years ahead of their time.

  • derek | September 11, 2008 at 10:36 pm |

    [quote comment=\”289122\”]i meeant to say, look at this*[/quote]
    Thing*, man i cant type tonight

  • Ben | September 11, 2008 at 10:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”289118″][quote comment=”289114″][quote comment=”289108″]Well, it’s 38-6. I believe superstition dictates that the navy pants with the “it’s a stripe/no it’s not” are here to stay.[/quote]

    Honestly don’t mind the pants so much, cuz the road is where a team can mess around a bit. It’s the thought they’ll probably go to navy jerseys at home that bugs me. Powder helmet, navy jersey and white pants would look pretty good, actually, sort of a version of last week’s Illinois throwbacks. But wouldn’t look like North Carolina. Of course, I suppose that’s what they’re after.

    A shame, though, more homogenizing—and limiting—of the color palette in sports uniforms.[/quote]

    there are rumors of this exact combo[/quote]
    as long as they don’t go navy on navy.

  • Tom Farley | September 11, 2008 at 10:37 pm |

    Quick to the “juicing room”!
    That’s Veruca Salt, right? Can’t fight the seether …

    im sorry, but this is a ting of beauty
    Damn right, LP. I don’t like some of the Titans’ combinations, but that one’s great.

  • Ricko | September 11, 2008 at 10:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”289120″][quote comment=”289111″][quote]Never realized the Vikings ever went with such a plain jersey. In the first picture you have sleeve stripes and the numbers are outlined. In the other two pictures, jerseys are puple with white numerals. No stripes or outlines.[/quote]

    even more amazing is that they started with the stripes in ’61 and didn’t lose the stripes till ’69

    usually, especially today…teams are adding shit to the jersey, not removing it[/quote]

    Early and mid-70s became the era of the “hot weather” alernate jerseys in the NFL (especially in preseason) and for some NCAA teams. Mesh with nothing but numbers. I remember how odd the 49ers looked without their three stripes. I think those “stripeless” orange Auburn jerseys were an example of it, too.[/quote]

    Remember Greg Pruitt and his tearaway jerseys with the Browns? He was, like, the only player on the Browns wearing a plain brown jersey with nothing but white numbers front and back. He’d go though maybe three a game…until the NFL outlawed them. They looked like they were made out of teeshirt material.

  • Ben | September 11, 2008 at 10:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”289121″]appropos of nothing ‘carolina’ (powder) blue unis…

    im sorry, but this is a ting of beauty[/quote]
    I concur.

  • Ricko | September 11, 2008 at 10:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”289123″][quote comment=”289116″]whoops…my bad…

    here’s the vikes in all purplein 1964!

    …which of course…led to this nightmare last year[/quote]
    I know Ricko will know this, but was the 64 all purple Vikings game some sort of uniform mix-up? My apologies if it’s been covered before, but if that was intentional the Vikings were about 40 years ahead of their time.[/quote]

    Quick summary. That year NFL allowedteams to choose white or dark at home. Slighlty fewer than half the teams opted for white. The Lions screwed up and showed up for a game at The Met in white. Game begain with both teams in white, while Vikings’ equipment people hustled over to St. Paul’s Midway Staduium (where the Vikings practiced) to fetch the purple jerseys. Vikings changed on the sidelines and played, until last year, their only game ever in all-purple.

  • lwiedy | September 11, 2008 at 10:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”289126″]Quick to the “juicing room”!
    That’s Veruca Salt, right? Can’t fight the seether …

    im sorry, but this is a ting of beauty
    Damn right, LP. I don’t like some of the Titans’ combinations, but that one’s great.[/quote]

    Naw, “You’re turning violet, Violet” Veruca was a bad egg.

  • Patrick S. | September 11, 2008 at 10:46 pm |

    Glad to see Metsuniwatch is back after a day off (insert eyeroll here).

  • LI Phil | September 11, 2008 at 10:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”289130″][quote comment=”289126″]Quick to the “juicing room”!
    That’s Veruca Salt, right? Can’t fight the seether …

    im sorry, but this is a ting of beauty
    Damn right, LP. I don’t like some of the Titans’ combinations, but that one’s great.[/quote]

    Naw, “You’re turning violet, Violet” Veruca was a bad egg.[/quote]

    larry beat me to it…but you know what they say…you know, you can’t — you can put lipstick on a pig…but it’s still a pig.

  • lwiedy | September 11, 2008 at 10:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”289129″][quote comment=”289123″][quote comment=”289116″]whoops…my bad…

    here’s the vikes in all purplein 1964!

    …which of course…led to this nightmare last year[/quote]
    I know Ricko will know this, but was the 64 all purple Vikings game some sort of uniform mix-up? My apologies if it’s been covered before, but if that was intentional the Vikings were about 40 years ahead of their time.[/quote]

    Quick summary. That year NFL allowedteams to choose white or dark at home. Slighlty fewer than half the teams opted for white. The Lions screwed up and showed up for a game at The Met in white. Game begain with both teams in white, while Vikings’ equipment people hustled over to St. Paul’s Midway Staduium (where the Vikings practiced) to fetch the purple jerseys. Vikings changed on the sidelines and played, until last year, their only game ever in all-purple.[/quote]

    Before: http://i256.photobuc...
    During: http://i256.photobuc...
    After: http://i256.photobuc...

  • Ben | September 11, 2008 at 10:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”289129″][quote comment=”289123″][quote comment=”289116″]whoops…my bad…

    here’s the vikes in all purplein 1964!

    …which of course…led to this nightmare last year[/quote]
    I know Ricko will know this, but was the 64 all purple Vikings game some sort of uniform mix-up? My apologies if it’s been covered before, but if that was intentional the Vikings were about 40 years ahead of their time.[/quote]

    Quick summary. That year NFL allowedteams to choose white or dark at home. Slighlty fewer than half the teams opted for white. The Lions screwed up and showed up for a game at The Met in white. Game begain with both teams in white, while Vikings’ equipment people hustled over to St. Paul’s Midway Staduium (where the Vikings practiced) to fetch the purple jerseys. Vikings changed on the sidelines and played, until last year, their only game ever in all-purple.[/quote]
    Thanks, for that era I knew it had to be some sort of snafu.

  • Ricko | September 11, 2008 at 10:49 pm |

    Anybody checking out the HS game on ESPN2?

  • LI Phil | September 11, 2008 at 10:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”289135″]Anybody checking out the HS game on ESPN2?[/quote]

    clemson is on?

  • lwiedy | September 11, 2008 at 10:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”289131″]Glad to see Metsuniwatch is back after a day off (insert eyeroll here).[/quote]

    Insert middle finger here.

  • Ben | September 11, 2008 at 10:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”289133″][quote comment=”289129″][quote comment=”289123″][quote comment=”289116″]whoops…my bad…

    here’s the vikes in all purplein 1964!

    …which of course…led to this nightmare last year[/quote]
    I know Ricko will know this, but was the 64 all purple Vikings game some sort of uniform mix-up? My apologies if it’s been covered before, but if that was intentional the Vikings were about 40 years ahead of their time.[/quote]

    Quick summary. That year NFL allowedteams to choose white or dark at home. Slighlty fewer than half the teams opted for white. The Lions screwed up and showed up for a game at The Met in white. Game begain with both teams in white, while Vikings’ equipment people hustled over to St. Paul’s Midway Staduium (where the Vikings practiced) to fetch the purple jerseys. Vikings changed on the sidelines and played, until last year, their only game ever in all-purple.[/quote]

    Before: http://i256.photobuc...
    During: http://i256.photobuc...
    After: http://i256.photobuc...
    I wonder if all this purple talk has made PL nauseaus (sp?..you know, sick to his stomach)?

  • Ricko | September 11, 2008 at 10:57 pm |

    All we need is a shot from Saturday’s East Carolina game and we’ll pretty much have “purpled out”.

  • LI Phil | September 11, 2008 at 11:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”289138″]I wonder if all this purple talk has made PL nauseaus (sp?..you know, sick to his stomach)?[/quote]

    pffft…

    you ever seen some of the shit paul does?

    now that takes a cast iron stomach

  • JTH | September 11, 2008 at 11:07 pm |

    So the home plate umpires are not wearing stars & stripes caps tonight?

    Flipping back & forth between the Cubs/Cards and Sox/Jays games, the home plate ump in St. Louis is definitely wearing a normal cap. Harder to tell with the ump in Chicago, though. I never saw a shot of him without the mask.

  • Ben | September 11, 2008 at 11:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”289140″][quote comment=”289138″]I wonder if all this purple talk has made PL nauseaus (sp?..you know, sick to his stomach)?[/quote]

    pffft…

    you ever seen some of the shit paul does?

    now that takes a cast iron stomach[/quote]
    Yeah, but that’s nothing compared to a picture of Clemson purple on purple and several shots of the Vikings purple on purple.

  • lwiedy | September 11, 2008 at 11:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”289142″][quote comment=”289140″][quote comment=”289138″]I wonder if all this purple talk has made PL nauseaus (sp?..you know, sick to his stomach)?[/quote]

    pffft…

    you ever seen some of the shit paul does?

    now that takes a cast iron stomach[/quote]
    Yeah, but that’s nothing compared to a picture of Clemson purple on purple and several shots of the Vikings purple on purple.[/quote]

    Ben-
    You seem like a NC guy. When the game was over, the band was playing to the team, what was that song?

  • QuezStyle | September 11, 2008 at 11:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”289143″][quote comment=”289142″][quote comment=”289140″][quote comment=”289138″]I wonder if all this purple talk has made PL nauseaus (sp?..you know, sick to his stomach)?[/quote]

    pffft…

    you ever seen some of the shit paul does?

    now that takes a cast iron stomach[/quote]
    Yeah, but that’s nothing compared to a picture of Clemson purple on purple and several shots of the Vikings purple on purple.[/quote]

    Ben-
    You seem like a NC guy. When the game was over, the band was playing to the team, what was that song?[/quote]

    They play “Hark the Sound”, the school’s alma mater

    http://www.lib.unc.e...

  • Ben | September 11, 2008 at 11:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”289143″][quote comment=”289142″][quote comment=”289140″][quote comment=”289138″]I wonder if all this purple talk has made PL nauseaus (sp?..you know, sick to his stomach)?[/quote]

    pffft…

    you ever seen some of the shit paul does?

    now that takes a cast iron stomach[/quote]
    Yeah, but that’s nothing compared to a picture of Clemson purple on purple and several shots of the Vikings purple on purple.[/quote]

    Ben-
    You seem like a NC guy. When the game was over, the band was playing to the team, what was that song?[/quote]
    I am a NC guy, but not a tarheel fan. The first song they played was the Carolina fight song (i can hum you the fight song for all tobacco road schools), but that second one escapes me. It’s right on the tip of my tongue and is going to drive me crazy. I’ll probably sit up tonight in bed and blurt it out (thankfully my wife is out of town or I may have some ‘splainin to do).

  • Justin in AR | September 11, 2008 at 11:22 pm |

    I think this chick is wearing a fake Eli knockoff.
    http://sportsillustr...
    I don’t really care if it is, or if it isn’t. She wears it well.

  • Ben | September 11, 2008 at 11:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”289144″][quote comment=”289143″][quote comment=”289142″][quote comment=”289140″][quote comment=”289138″]I wonder if all this purple talk has made PL nauseaus (sp?..you know, sick to his stomach)?[/quote]

    pffft…

    you ever seen some of the shit paul does?

    now that takes a cast iron stomach[/quote]
    Yeah, but that’s nothing compared to a picture of Clemson purple on purple and several shots of the Vikings purple on purple.[/quote]

    Ben-
    You seem like a NC guy. When the game was over, the band was playing to the team, what was that song?[/quote]

    They play “Hark the Sound”, the school’s alma mater

    http://www.lib.unc.e...
    Yup…there you go.

  • lwiedy | September 11, 2008 at 11:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”289144″][quote comment=”289143″][quote comment=”289142″][quote comment=”289140″][quote comment=”289138″]I wonder if all this purple talk has made PL nauseaus (sp?..you know, sick to his stomach)?[/quote]

    pffft…

    you ever seen some of the shit paul does?

    now that takes a cast iron stomach[/quote]
    Yeah, but that’s nothing compared to a picture of Clemson purple on purple and several shots of the Vikings purple on purple.[/quote]

    Ben-
    You seem like a NC guy. When the game was over, the band was playing to the team, what was that song?[/quote]

    They play “Hark the Sound”, the school’s alma mater

    http://www.lib.unc.e...

    I thought so! It’s the Kellerman’s song from Dirty Dancing!

  • Ben | September 11, 2008 at 11:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”289146″]I think this chick is wearing a fake Eli knockoff.
    http://sportsillustr...
    I don’t really care if it is, or if it isn’t. She wears it well.[/quote]
    Holy Crap…

  • QuezStyle | September 11, 2008 at 11:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”289148″][quote comment=”289144″][quote comment=”289143″][quote comment=”289142″][quote comment=”289140″][quote comment=”289138″]I wonder if all this purple talk has made PL nauseaus (sp?..you know, sick to his stomach)?[/quote]

    pffft…

    you ever seen some of the shit paul does?

    now that takes a cast iron stomach[/quote]
    Yeah, but that’s nothing compared to a picture of Clemson purple on purple and several shots of the Vikings purple on purple.[/quote]

    Ben-
    You seem like a NC guy. When the game was over, the band was playing to the team, what was that song?[/quote]

    They play “Hark the Sound”, the school’s alma mater

    http://www.lib.unc.e...

    I thought so! It’s the Kellerman’s song from Dirty Dancing![/quote]

    couldn’t tell you much about that…but i can tell you its a song a love to hear

  • LI Phil | September 11, 2008 at 11:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”289146″]I think this chick is wearing a fake Eli knockoff.
    http://sportsillustr...
    I don’t really care if it is, or if it isn’t. She wears it well.[/quote]

    nice tramp stamp

  • Justin in AR | September 11, 2008 at 11:40 pm |

    This isn’t uni-related, but it’s been bugging the fck outta me. Can someone tell me what the fourth number in hockey is? You have wins, losses, wins in overtime and then there’s that other number. I want to say it’s losses in overtime, but I’m an idiot when it comes to hockey. Can someone help me out?

  • Stuby | September 11, 2008 at 11:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”289150″][quote comment=”289148″][quote comment=”289144″][quote comment=”289143″][quote comment=”289142″][quote comment=”289140″][quote comment=”289138″]I wonder if all this purple talk has made PL nauseaus (sp?..you know, sick to his stomach)?[/quote]

    pffft…

    you ever seen some of the shit paul does?

    now that takes a cast iron stomach[/quote]
    Yeah, but that’s nothing compared to a picture of Clemson purple on purple and several shots of the Vikings purple on purple.[/quote]

    Ben-
    You seem like a NC guy. When the game was over, the band was playing to the team, what was that song?[/quote]

    They play “Hark the Sound”, the school’s alma mater

    http://www.lib.unc.e...

    I thought so! It’s the Kellerman’s song from Dirty Dancing![/quote]

    couldn’t tell you much about that…but i can tell you its a song a love to hear[/quote]
    Nobody puts Baby in a corner…
    http://www.youtube.c...

  • Ben | September 11, 2008 at 11:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”289154″][quote comment=”289150″][quote comment=”289148″][quote comment=”289144″][quote comment=”289143″][quote comment=”289142″][quote comment=”289140″][quote comment=”289138″]I wonder if all this purple talk has made PL nauseaus (sp?..you know, sick to his stomach)?[/quote]

    pffft…

    you ever seen some of the shit paul does?

    now that takes a cast iron stomach[/quote]
    Yeah, but that’s nothing compared to a picture of Clemson purple on purple and several shots of the Vikings purple on purple.[/quote]

    Ben-
    You seem like a NC guy. When the game was over, the band was playing to the team, what was that song?[/quote]

    They play “Hark the Sound”, the school’s alma mater

    http://www.lib.unc.e...

    I thought so! It’s the Kellerman’s song from Dirty Dancing![/quote]

    couldn’t tell you much about that…but i can tell you its a song a love to hear[/quote]
    Nobody puts Baby in a corner…
    http://www.youtube.c...
    That’s where I remember that tune…that was going to bug the crap out of me.

  • QuezStyle | September 11, 2008 at 11:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”289154″][quote comment=”289150″][quote comment=”289148″][quote comment=”289144″][quote comment=”289143″][quote comment=”289142″][quote comment=”289140″][quote comment=”289138″]I wonder if all this purple talk has made PL nauseaus (sp?..you know, sick to his stomach)?[/quote]

    pffft…

    you ever seen some of the shit paul does?

    now that takes a cast iron stomach[/quote]
    Yeah, but that’s nothing compared to a picture of Clemson purple on purple and several shots of the Vikings purple on purple.[/quote]

    Ben-
    You seem like a NC guy. When the game was over, the band was playing to the team, what was that song?[/quote]

    They play “Hark the Sound”, the school’s alma mater

    http://www.lib.unc.e...

    I thought so! It’s the Kellerman’s song from Dirty Dancing![/quote]

    couldn’t tell you much about that…but i can tell you its a song a love to hear[/quote]
    Nobody puts Baby in a corner…
    http://www.youtube.c...

    freaky

  • LI Phil | September 11, 2008 at 11:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”289153″]This isn’t uni-related, but it’s been bugging the fck outta me. Can someone tell me what the fourth number in hockey is? You have wins, losses, wins in overtime and then there’s that other number. I want to say it’s losses in overtime, but I’m an idiot when it comes to hockey. Can someone help me out?[/quote]

    actually the third # is OTL (since an OT win is 2 pts…same as a win)…

    4th number may be points (as shown on espn) cbs does it the same way

  • lwiedy | September 11, 2008 at 11:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”289154″][quote comment=”289150″][quote comment=”289148″][quote comment=”289144″][quote comment=”289143″][quote comment=”289142″][quote comment=”289140″][quote comment=”289138″]I wonder if all this purple talk has made PL nauseaus (sp?..you know, sick to his stomach)?[/quote]

    pffft…

    you ever seen some of the shit paul does?

    now that takes a cast iron stomach[/quote]
    Yeah, but that’s nothing compared to a picture of Clemson purple on purple and several shots of the Vikings purple on purple.[/quote]

    Ben-
    You seem like a NC guy. When the game was over, the band was playing to the team, what was that song?[/quote]

    They play “Hark the Sound”, the school’s alma mater

    http://www.lib.unc.e...

    I thought so! It’s the Kellerman’s song from Dirty Dancing![/quote]

    couldn’t tell you much about that…but i can tell you its a song a love to hear[/quote]
    Nobody puts Baby in a corner…
    http://www.youtube.c...

    Newman! (That’s him to the right of the a-hole guy singing).

  • lwiedy | September 11, 2008 at 11:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”289153″]This isn’t uni-related, but it’s been bugging the fck outta me. Can someone tell me what the fourth number in hockey is? You have wins, losses, wins in overtime and then there’s that other number. I want to say it’s losses in overtime, but I’m an idiot when it comes to hockey. Can someone help me out?[/quote]

    Paid attendance ;-) (Sorry, Teebz)

  • Ben | September 12, 2008 at 12:00 am |

    I thought so! It’s the Kellerman’s song from Dirty Dancing![/quote]

    couldn’t tell you much about that…but i can tell you its a song a love to hear[/quote]
    Nobody puts Baby in a corner…
    http://www.youtube.c...

    Newman! (That’s him to the right of the a-hole guy singing).[/quote]
    Hellloo Newman…

  • Justin in AR | September 12, 2008 at 12:02 am |

    [quote comment=”289157″][quote comment=”289153″]This isn’t uni-related, but it’s been bugging the fck outta me. Can someone tell me what the fourth number in hockey is? You have wins, losses, wins in overtime and then there’s that other number. I want to say it’s losses in overtime, but I’m an idiot when it comes to hockey. Can someone help me out?[/quote]

    actually the third # is OTL (since an OT win is 2 pts…same as a win)…

    4th number may be points (as shown on espn) cbs does it the same way[/quote]

    Thanks, Phil. :)

  • LI Phil | September 12, 2008 at 12:11 am |

    [quote]Thanks, Phil. :)[/quote]

    welcome…

    although i like larry’s answer better ;)

    /of course, 4th # could be the number of sweaters sid the kid would be required to buy back from rbk if he changed his name

  • Justin in AR | September 12, 2008 at 12:16 am |

    [quote comment=”289162″][quote]Thanks, Phil. :)[/quote]

    welcome…

    although i like larry’s answer better ;)

    /of course, 4th # could be the number of sweaters sid the kid would be required to buy back from rbk if he changed his name[/quote]

    Well, yeah, but… This isn’t RBK… I don’t think.

    http://i14.photobuck...

  • Jeff P | September 12, 2008 at 12:50 am |

    Could also be ties if you’re looking at old Goalie stats, since they’re credited with wins/ losses/OT losses/ and ties. Of course you don’t have ties anymore, but they remain in goalie stat lines.

    But in standings it’s points. 2 points for a Win, 0 for a loss and 1 for an OT loss.

  • BurghFan | September 12, 2008 at 3:31 am |

    Buffalo News confirms Sabres’ thirds:

    http://buffalonews.t...

  • nididakes | September 12, 2008 at 4:24 am |

    if navy isn’t a carolina color, what’s this?
    http://www.helmethut...

    and if that’s too much an aberration for you, what color is surrounding the indicia here?
    http://jh3149.k12.sd...

    if purple isn’t a clemson color, what’s this?
    http://upload.wikime...

    whether these ought to be principle colors in these schools’ teams’ schemes is another matter.

  • S. Menecola | September 12, 2008 at 7:26 am |

    What would happen if Chad Johnson married a woman and took her last name?

    Those Black Hurricanes jerseys are really sharp looking for a black jersey, nice shoulder patches good for fashion only but they should’ve kept the red pants and helmets. The actual jersey is similar to the senators black alternate from a few years ago.

  • Allan Jennings | September 12, 2008 at 7:52 am |

    I know ebay has some weird things for sale but this is a tad odd even by Australia’s standards.

    http://cgi.ebay.com....

  • marc | September 12, 2008 at 10:17 am |

    [quote]Never realized the Vikings ever went with such a plain jersey. In the first picture you have sleeve stripes and the numbers are outlined. In the other two pictures, jerseys are puple with white numerals. No stripes or outlines.[/quote]

    never really noticed that before either. those are pretty dang cool!

  • joe | September 12, 2008 at 11:29 am |

    [quote comment=”289044″]
    It’s a PARTNERSHIP. Reebok takes the biggest stars under contract and markets them for the union. They make money, the union makes money, the player gets a sniff. That’s how it works. The entire NFLPA is signed to that contract, [b]and Reebok can pick and choose who they want to mass-produce jerseys for based upon supply and demand[/b].[/quote]

    The key is that RBK “pick(ed)and choose” to make a ton of the idiots jersey. I think he’s a moron, but its not his fault.

  • joe | September 12, 2008 at 11:33 am |

    [quote comment=”289060″][quote comment=”289044″][quote comment=”289033″]
    Hes in the union, part of that contract *allows* RBK to make jerseys. Ocho, never went ot RBK and said “make 10,000 of my jerseys” Knowing he’s a popular player they chose to make a ton of his jerseys, it’s their problem. I don’t like ocho, but he’s not in the wrong here. If he chose to randomly change his number maybe. He legally changed his name (for stupid reasons) the NFL says you have to use your real name, he’s not responsible for the stock issue. As someone pointed out, let say he got married and took her name, legally he could and the NFL can’t stop it and he should not be liable for old stock. If the NFL makes Hester change his number it shouldn’t fall on Hester to pay for the old stock either.[/quote]

    If he’s part of the union, why isn’t the union defending him then? They helped him get his massive contract, so why can’t they help him out of this massive stupidity problem?

    It’s a PARTNERSHIP. Reebok takes the biggest stars under contract and markets them for the union. They make money, the union makes money, the player gets a sniff. That’s how it works. The entire NFLPA is signed to that contract, and Reebok can pick and choose who they want to mass-produce jerseys for based upon supply and demand. You market what’s popular because that’s what the consumer wants. Supply and demand. If the demand is there, you supply it to make money. If you can supply a lot of them, you’ll make a lot of money in a hurry. For all you capitalists, this should be elementary.

    You wanna know why Chad Pennington and Joey Harrington and Ryan Leaf jerseys are on the backs of African kids? Because they can’t be sold. No one wants them. It’s not Reebok’s fault that the player sucks. They rolled the dice, and they lost in the regard. That’s where a write-off comes in. They can’t sell those jerseys because there is no demand. You write them off, and take the hit on the product. That’s a risk in the supply and demand chain that businesses face everyday.

    But Ocho Stupido decided to change his name. That’s completely different since he’s still a very popular player, and now Reebok has to eat $4 million in “Johnson” jerseys, and put out an additional $4 million in “Ocho Cinco” jerseys. That’s double the hit. If they simply told the public “we’re going to charge you double the price on an Ocho Cinco jersey due to that player’s ultimate stupidity and vanity”, consumers would be outraged. Reebok doesn’t want to eat $4 million in cost when it could have sold all of those jerseys had “The New OC” not pulled the carpet out from under Reebok’s feet.

    Reebok and the NFLPA were attempting to capitalize on the supply and demand aspect of the business when “Morono Stupido” decided that he needed he a new name. Reebok’s loss is entirely his fault, and he should be responsible for that aspect of his decision.

    If he had gotten married, there still wouldn’t be an issue because legally he can still go by his professional name. I’m sure you’ve heard of a guy named Gene Simmons. Not his real name. Not even close. Is still called by his Yiddish name by his mom. But we all call him Gene Simmons because that’s how we know him. He is legally allowed to sign as Gene Simmons on bank notes and whatever else, but it’s not his name. Why couldn’t he simply have been Chad Ocho Cinco off the field? Is that too much to ask? Or maybe change it at the end of the season before Reebok rattles off another 100,000 jerseys rather than at the start of the season.

    The key in this whole thing is that the union, who is supposed to support the player, hasn’t stepped in. Why? Because they don’t want to ruin the partnership with Reebok. Big business wins out over one player’s vanity. Since labor unions are an “all for one, one for all” situation, why shouldn’t Ocho Stupido pay? Personally, if I’m the judge presiding over this case, I’d tell Ocho Stupido to get his checkbook ready.[/quote]

    After listening to Rovell on the radio this afternoon on Prime Time Sports in Canada – it seems the the figure is more like $750K, not $4.8MM. And apparently since the jersey deal is part of the Group Licensing Agreement, that makes him responsible for it. If he didn’t want to be a part of it and get paid for all of the jeresys with his name or be on football cards, posters and etc. – all he had to do is pull a Lavar Arrington and cross out the clause in the Standard Player Contract – but then he wouldn’t be on anything – and he wouldn’t get paid for that.

    The real kicker here is – I find this really funny – is that Johnson is in Reebok’s stable as an endorser and didn’t think to contact them to give them a heads up about this[/quote]

    I understand that its part of the contract, I just think its a stupid clause, especially in light of the fact its his legal name and tha’s what the NFL says needs to be on a jersey (until this happened)