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The Ricko Files, Vol. 5

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Some people are compulsive documenters who pore over their files and scrapbooks; others are no good at documentation but are big on eyewitness testimony, repeatedly saying, “Trust me, kid, I saw it, I was there.”

The great thing about Ricko is that he fits both categories. If you read the comments section, you know he’s constantly saying he was in attendance (or glued to the TV screen) when a certain uni-related incident took place, and he often has the clippings to back up his claims. Here’s the latest batch of selections from that clipping database:

• Note the hand-lettered “A” on the socks in these Namath-era Crimson Tide shots.

• Speaking of the Tide, Ricko says, “Alabama was one of the first teams with several players wearing Pumas. It was Namath’s junior year. The white eyelet placket and tongue didn’t last long.”

• Call it spatting, call it taping — by any name, Ricko says this is the earliest example he’s ever seen. And it isn’t just any player — it’s Jim Thorpe, playing for the Canton Bulldogs. “Can’t say exact year,” says Ricko, “but he signed with them in 1915, and his last season with them was 1920.”

• The 1970s Pirates appear to be a bottomless pit of Ricko fodder. The latest exhibits: Willie Stargell wearing white shoes in the 1978 All-Star Game [Correction: As several commenters immediately pointed out, it appears to be a 1973 photo — odd, considering the caption], an awesome ad for Brookes spikes, and a montage of virtually every possible combo from the bumblebee era.

• And here’s an interesting Pirates tibit: As you know, the Buccos changed uniforms in the middle of the 1970 season — a change that included switching from black caps to gold caps. But they stuck with black batting helmets for the balance of that season, even after changing everything else — the helmets didn’t change to gold until the next season. (Also: Looks like Manny Sanguillen may have been wearing belted pants with his sleeved pullover in that photo. Not surprising that a lot of mixing and matching would have taken place after the mid-season uni switcheroo.)

• “This one comes under the heading of ‘Players Bending Team Rules When It Isn’t a Regular Game,’ ” says Ricko. “Y’know, like an ASG or a Japan Tour. But I did a double-take the first time I saw it, thinking maybe the Reds had worn red shoes for an opener at Riverfont or something. But after looking at it, I realized it was posed. It’s too perfect — the ump, for instance. Also, the only #24 Pirates had in ’71 was a pitcher named John Lamb. Unless he was pinch-running, he’d probably have been wearing a jacket. But it IS 1971 — note the button-front Reds jersey — well before the team allowed anything but plain black shoes. So it appears Concepcion (who later wore red shoes and white shoes in ASGs) decided to show how great the Reds’ unis would look if they wore those new red Adidas the White Sox and Phillies were introducing that year. And he was right.”

• But wait — here’s Don Gullet, circa 1971. Maybe they (or at least he) wore red spikes after all!

• You may recall that my recent Cubs column included an entry about the Cubbies inscribing each player’s uni number inside his helmet logo. Turns out they weren’t the only team to do this, as seen in this photo of Tommy Helms.

• Entertaining 1981 SI essay about football helmet logos. Among other things, the Bengals’ helmet is described as looking “like a varicose pumpkin,” a line I wish I’d thought of myself.

• And last but not least, here’s another of Ricko’s early uniform illustrations (in case you missed them, there’s a bunch more here), this one from the 1961 Army/Navy game.

And now I have a sad announcement to make: After five weeks, of sifting through all the e-mails Ricko has sent me, I’ve finally caught up with him — no more clippings! I think we can all agree that this has all the makings of a Greek tragedy, or at least a serious case of withdrawal. Ricko, my man, rev up that scanner and gimme another fix, pronto.

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Raffle-O-Rama: For all you soccer fans who say I never write about your favorite sport … well, I’m still not writing about it. But I’ve got a soccer-centric raffle for you. The folks at SoccerPro.com have given me a $100 gift card that can be applied toward any of their licensed gear. To enter, send a blank e-mail with your name in the subject line to the raffle address (not to the usual Uni Watch e-mail address, please) by 10pm eastern this Friday, August 8th.

Normally I automatically add three bonus raffle entries for all enrollees in the Uni Watch membership program. But I know many readers and members don’t care about soccer, and I don’t want to end up with a raffle winner who isn’t a soccer fan, so we’re going to handle things a bit differently this time: If you are enrolled in the membership program, you may send up to four e-mail entries; only one entry for non-members. I’m trusting you all to handle this on the honor system (i.e., if you’re not a member, please don’t enter more than once), so don’t fuck it up by cheating, OK? OK.

I’ll announce the winner next Monday, when I’ll also be announcing yet another raffle.

Uni Watch News Ticker: Speaking of soccer jerseys, check out this new new soccer top from Zanzibar. “It’s so repulsive and tacky that I had to send it your way,” says Pat Murray. … If you really love your team, bleed for it. Further details here (with thanks to Alan Kreit). … Reprinted from yesterday’s comments: The pestilence of those Phiten-branded socks is spreading. … “Twin Enterprises has a line of hats comprised of most of the teams in the NHL (and some now-defunct teams),” writes Sam McCullough. “The fronts are all fairly standard and comprised of basic, distressed primary logos, and the back, is usually a team wordmark, and in some cases a secondary logo. But the Islanders cap features the far more badass stripe design element from the team’s jerseys.” … Another season, another Syracuse football uni. … You know how you buy a new cell phone or an iPod and it’s covered with a thin plastic film that you peel off? That’s the first thing I thought of when Jacob Reed sent me this photo. … The Chico Outlaws recently wore these uniforms for Aloha Night (with thanks to Lizzie Fox). … No matter how many times I look at it, the O’Brien Trophy looks like a beach ball perched on a trash can. … Remember Andy Messersmith’s “Channel 17” NOB? Listen to this, from Brent Hardman: “Driving to work this morning I was listening to AM 750 WSB, which is Atlanta’s biggest bews/talk station and until recently was the Braves’ radio flagship. They were talking about longtime Braves announcer Skip Caray, who died on Sunday. Apparently the host of the show, Mark Arum, suggested that the Braves retire the number 17 to honor Skip and all of the old announcers who used to broadcast all of the games on TBS when it was known as Channel 17. The remarks were then relayed to the Braves announcing crew doing the game on the West Coast for Peachtree TV, and they talked about it during the broadcast and thought it was a great idea. How weird is that? I’m not sure if they would really ever do it, or more importantly if they should (kinda doesn’t seem right to have the 17 up on the outfield wall with numbers of the great Braves of the past and Jackie Robinson). It just made me wonder if there were other instances of teams retiring numbers for such abstract things as TV stations.”

 

323 comments to The Ricko Files, Vol. 5

  • Roger | August 5, 2008 at 9:18 am |

    “The 1970s Pirates appear to be a bottomless pit of Ricko fodder. The latest exhibits: Willie Stargell wearing white shoes in the 1978 All-Star Game, an awesome ad for Brookes spikes, and a montage of virtually every possible combo from the bumblebee era.”

    That photo is not from the 1978 ASG. The photo is definitely 1973 (see the “21” circle patch on Stargell’s left sleeve.

    The correct spelling for Skip’s last name is “Caray.” And retiring “17” would be appropriate, given that Ted Turner once had Andy Messersmith take the field with the word “Channel” above “17” on the back of his jersey in 1976.

  • Geeman | August 5, 2008 at 9:19 am |

    The 1970s Pirates appear to be a bottomless pit of Ricko fodder. The latest exhibits: Willie Stargell wearing white shoes in the 1978 All-Star Game, an awesome ad for Brookes spikes, and a montage of virtually every possible combo from the bumblebee era.
    ***
    That photo could not have been in 1978, since Willie was in gray or white and the Pirates didn’t wear that uniform then. The montage shows all nine combinations they wore in ’78, though.

  • Geeman | August 5, 2008 at 9:20 am |

    Also, note that Manny in 1970 is wearing pants sans piping, so he was mixing and matching old and new uniforms.

  • Geeman | August 5, 2008 at 9:22 am |

    On another note, those Pirates of the ’70s had SO much talent. Two World Series in eight years, numerous 1st or 2nd place finishes. Willie, Dave, Manny, the Cobra — really a great run that lasted all the way into the early 1980s. Cobra had about the best arm from right I’ve ever seen (remember the ’79 All-Star Game putouts).

  • Ben | August 5, 2008 at 9:23 am |

    The Brewers have #50 hanging from the rafters of Miller Park, (next to Aaron, Yount, Fingers, Molitor, & Robinson) honoring Bob Uecker’s 50 years in baseball a few years back….Im not sure if its retired though.

  • LI Phil | August 5, 2008 at 9:26 am |

    given that the smog-ridden filth and pestilence-inducing air of the beijing olympics are mere hours away…here’s your primer on the new speedo LZR racer swimsuit and why it is so ‘fast’

  • SS | August 5, 2008 at 9:26 am |

    I think Paul deserves big thanks for the raffles. Giving his readers a chance to enjoy some of the spoils is “totally boss.”

    Thanks Paul.

  • Ben | August 5, 2008 at 9:27 am |

    [quote comment=”283356″]The Brewers have #50 hanging from the rafters of Miller Park, (next to Aaron, Yount, Fingers, Molitor, & Robinson) honoring Bob Uecker’s 50 years in baseball a few years back….Im not sure if its retired though.[/quote]

    I answered my own question
    http://milwaukee.bre...

  • Geeman | August 5, 2008 at 9:28 am |

    [quote comment=”283354″]Also, note that Manny in 1970 is wearing pants sans piping, so he was mixing and matching old and new uniforms.[/quote]
    Upon further review, scratch that. It appears the old uniforms had piping but the new ones did not.

  • Rod | August 5, 2008 at 9:30 am |

    A great uniform quote from the late great Braves announcer Skip Caray. The Marlins wore both teal and black hats. Don Sutton was commenting on the two hats one game and Skip commented on the teal color hat. Don informed him the official color was Sea Foam Green. To which Skip, always the wisecracker replied “Makes sense to me, cause when I see the team running on and off the field in those hats it makes me seasick.”

  • Chris | August 5, 2008 at 9:30 am |

    The Indians retired 455 as a nod to the fans for that many consecutive sold out games.

  • Kevin M. | August 5, 2008 at 9:40 am |

    [quote comment=”283361″]A great uniform quote from the late great Braves announcer Skip Caray. The Marlins wore both teal and black hats. Don Sutton was commenting on the two hats one game and Skip commented on the teal color hat. Don informed him the official color was Sea Foam Green. To which Skip, always the wisecracker replied “Makes sense to me, cause when I see the team running on and off the field in those hats it makes me seasick.”[/quote]

    Another great quote they played form Skip being inducted to the Braves Hall of Fame was this “The only race that matters is the race to beat out a ground ball, the only colors that matter are the away grays and home whites…its that simple in baseball there is nothing more to it.”

  • Taylor | August 5, 2008 at 9:46 am |

    The Syracuse unis are real nice. Classy, sharp, no annoying piping. Nike did a really good job. Now if Under Armour could just make a decent jersey!

  • Ricko | August 5, 2008 at 9:47 am |

    ‘Morning.

    Wasn’t sure on year of Stargell ASG photo. From a pub that used an old photo, that much was obvious. Knew wasn’t ’78, of course, because they were in “bumblebees” by that time.

    Should have noticed the “21” patch, but when I get on a roll (scanning and emailing) it’s about that process, not so much the ID’ing.

    Thanks for being the stimulus to put together that Pirate montage, btw. Not necessarily the optimum selection of images, but I’d always kinda wanted to see those 9 basic combos all in one place.

    Paul’s out of stuff? Figured we might be getting close to that. Well, summer softball is over (fall starts next week) so I have evenings free this week. Guess I’d better see what I can dig out that y’all might find interesting. Those NHL Wheaties posters, for example. LOL

    –Ricko
    (Please do not mention Mariners’ big inning last night. Fell asleep so didn’t have to endure watching it.)

  • Kek | August 5, 2008 at 9:48 am |

    That’s an odd photo of Stargell because the caption would make one think he’s 38 at the time the photo was taken, which obviously is not true. Would a newspaper run a photo five years old (and in an older uni) when doing a story? I know papers use stock photos, but it seems like that would be a bit too old.

  • Ben Dover | August 5, 2008 at 9:48 am |

    There are other stupid number retirements out there…maybe not for a TV station…like 454 in cleveland…613 in the Garden, 85 in St Louis…

  • Jim | August 5, 2008 at 9:51 am |

    Those Twin enterprises hats are amazing, i was actually looking into getting that NYI one couple days ago. I loved the 4 stripe addition on the back. But I have a head the size of a watermelon and buying a fitted hat online makes me nervous….

  • Kek | August 5, 2008 at 9:51 am |

    [quote comment=”283363″][quote comment=”283361″]A great uniform quote from the late great Braves announcer Skip Caray. The Marlins wore both teal and black hats. Don Sutton was commenting on the two hats one game and Skip commented on the teal color hat. Don informed him the official color was Sea Foam Green. To which Skip, always the wisecracker replied “Makes sense to me, cause when I see the team running on and off the field in those hats it makes me seasick.”[/quote]

    Another great quote they played form Skip being inducted to the Braves Hall of Fame was this “The only race that matters is the race to beat out a ground ball, the only colors that matter are the away grays and home whites…its that simple in baseball there is nothing more to it.”[/quote]
    I like how Skip used to predict the double play during a game.

    Something like…. “we’ll go to an episode of Matlock right after this 6-4-3 double play”

    TBS…another of the superstations I grew up with (WGN and WOR) and watched non-Pirate ball. I can’t recall how many times I tuned into the end of a game and saw Gene Garber and that unorthodox delivery closing out a game. I hate the Braves, but I was kind of sad to see them go away from being an exclusive Braves network.

  • Paul Lukas | August 5, 2008 at 9:52 am |

    [quote comment=”283366″]That’s an odd photo of Stargell because the caption would make one think he’s 38 at the time the photo was taken, which obviously is not true. Would a newspaper run a photo five years old (and in an older uni) when doing a story? I know papers use stock photos, but it seems like that would be a bit too old.[/quote]

    Exactly. That’s what fooled me (and, I think, Ricko) when initially assessing the photo as a ’78 shot. Very strange.

  • Joe D | August 5, 2008 at 9:54 am |

    [quote comment=”283367″]There are other stupid number retirements out there…maybe not for a TV station…like 454 in cleveland…613 in the Garden, 85 in St Louis…[/quote]

    There are the fan jerseys retired like #12 for the Seattle Seahawks “12th Man.” Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think the Orlando Magic had #6 retired for the fans until Patrick Ewing played his one season their and wanted to wear #6 for some reason.

  • Rick | August 5, 2008 at 9:56 am |

    Here is an article about a modern baseball team playing by the Civil War era rules. There is a lot of talk of their custom made uniforms.

    “As players sign on, the team will order more of the replica woolen uniforms, designed to reflect what the Civil War-era players wore. Each uniform costs about $250 and takes at least 12 weeks to make.”

    http://www.baltimore...

  • Jeff D | August 5, 2008 at 9:57 am |

    wow. I was a huge pirates fan as a teen and saw that brooks ad in a sports equipment store. I asked the store manager if I could have it when they changed their next promotion and he told me he couldn’t. (which was probably bullshit). Loved that poster. Great to see it again.

  • GoTerriers | August 5, 2008 at 9:58 am |

    [quote comment=”283369″][quote comment=”283363″][quote comment=”283361″]A great uniform quote from the late great Braves announcer Skip Caray. The Marlins wore both teal and black hats. Don Sutton was commenting on the two hats one game and Skip commented on the teal color hat. Don informed him the official color was Sea Foam Green. To which Skip, always the wisecracker replied “Makes sense to me, cause when I see the team running on and off the field in those hats it makes me seasick.”[/quote]

    Another great quote they played form Skip being inducted to the Braves Hall of Fame was this “The only race that matters is the race to beat out a ground ball, the only colors that matter are the away grays and home whites…its that simple in baseball there is nothing more to it.”[/quote]
    I like how Skip used to predict the double play during a game.

    Something like…. “we’ll go to an episode of Matlock right after this 6-4-3 double play”[/quote]

    I remember seeing the clip of the prediction coming true . . .
    “We’ll be showing “Treasure of the Sierra Madre right after Jeffrey Leonard grounds into a 6-4-3 double play . . .the pitch. . .6 . . .4 . . .3 . . enjoy the movie.”

  • Ricko | August 5, 2008 at 10:03 am |

    [quote comment=”283370″][quote comment=”283366″]That’s an odd photo of Stargell because the caption would make one think he’s 38 at the time the photo was taken, which obviously is not true. Would a newspaper run a photo five years old (and in an older uni) when doing a story? I know papers use stock photos, but it seems like that would be a bit too old.[/quote]

    Exactly. That’s what fooled me (and, I think, Ricko) when initially assessing the photo as a ’78 shot. Very strange.[/quote]

    Annuals used to be notorious for running old photos. I think they really thought no one noticed things like uniforms. Also technology allows so much more access to so many more photos these days.

    Was my bad on Stargell photo. Should have mentioned to Paul it was out of whack. The real point, of course, was that Stargell had opted for white cleats in ASG that far back.

    Think maybe my next “dig” will be for photos of three-stipe Saucony shoes that entered college and pro football in early to mid-60s, a few years before adidas. Also, anyone remember K-Swiss’ brief foray into cleated shoes in mid-60’s? Six, count ’em, six white stripes. Jim Seymour (of Hanratty-Seymour-Notre Dame fame) wore them, so did Jack Kemp at least once while with the Bills.

    Or this puzzling question: Did ’67 Chargers wear three different shades of blue in one uniform?

    Later. Off to work.

    –Ricko

  • Original Jim | August 5, 2008 at 10:04 am |

    It’s Twins Enterprises. Plural.

    /just sayin….

    :)

  • Kek | August 5, 2008 at 10:06 am |

    [quote comment=”283364″]The Syracuse unis are real nice. Classy, sharp, no annoying piping. Nike did a really good job. Now if Under Armour could just make a decent jersey![/quote]
    I agree. Didn’t someone on here say that Nike won’t put stripes on a uniform? Those sure look like stripes on the pants to me.

  • Philly William | August 5, 2008 at 10:07 am |

    Any one else find it odd there are no black players front and center in that Brooks add? Wasn’t that Pirates team the first with an all black starting line-up?

    Like the NHL hats, but would love to see a Whalers hat!

  • Teebz | August 5, 2008 at 10:13 am |

    [quote comment=”283379″]Any one else find it odd there are no black players front and center in that Brooks add? Wasn’t that Pirates team the first with an all black starting line-up?

    Like the NHL hats, but would love to see a Whalers hat![/quote]

    Will never happen. The NHL cannot use that logo without the consent of the city of Hartford.

    Let’s just say that Hartford is still a little peeved about having their team taken from them.

  • DrBear | August 5, 2008 at 10:13 am |

    Marquette retired the No. 11 in basketball for the Apollo 11 moon flight. The team even wore the Apollo 11 patch on its warmup jackets for the 69-70 season. It also retired the number 38 in honor of the 38 years of service given by the late Robert Weingart as Marquette’s athletic trainer, and the number 77 to honor legendary head coach Al McGuire, who led the 1977 team to the NCAA Championship. (They’ve retired nine player numbers as well.)

    Oh, and a strange coincidence; my anti-spam word for this post was “space.”

  • Jim | August 5, 2008 at 10:15 am |

    [quote comment=”283380″][quote comment=”283379″]Any one else find it odd there are no black players front and center in that Brooks add? Wasn’t that Pirates team the first with an all black starting line-up?

    Like the NHL hats, but would love to see a Whalers hat![/quote]

    Will never happen. The NHL cannot use that logo without the consent of the city of Hartford.

    Let’s just say that Hartford is still a little peeved about having their team taken from them.[/quote]

    Isn’t it also something about the logo not being trademarked, so it cannot be reproduced?

  • MPowers1634 | August 5, 2008 at 10:16 am |

    [quote comment=”283371″][quote comment=”283367″]There are other stupid number retirements out there…maybe not for a TV station…like 454 in cleveland…613 in the Garden, 85 in St Louis…[/quote]

    There are the fan jerseys retired like #12 for the Seattle Seahawks “12th Man.” Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think the Orlando Magic had #6 retired for the fans until Patrick Ewing played his one season their and wanted to wear #6 for some reason.[/quote]

    He probably wanted #6 because Grant Hill wore #33.
    3+3=6!!!

  • Kek | August 5, 2008 at 10:16 am |

    [quote comment=”283379″]Any one else find it odd there are no black players front and center in that Brooks add? Wasn’t that Pirates team the first with an all black starting line-up?

    [/quote]
    I don’t know about that…

    A. the all-black lineup was in ’71, this ad relates to the ’79 World Series team

    B. Sure, there were still a lot of black players on the team in ’79, but perhaps it’s just that those were the guys with a deal with Brooks.

  • LI Phil | August 5, 2008 at 10:17 am |

    [quote comment=”283378″][quote comment=”283364″]The Syracuse unis are real nice. Classy, sharp, no annoying piping. Nike did a really good job. Now if Under Armour could just make a decent jersey![/quote]
    I agree. Didn’t someone on here say that Nike won’t put stripes on a uniform? Those sure look like stripes on the pants to me.[/quote]

    great point douggie…i seem to recall that being bantered about as well…don’t remember who said it tho

    seems as though nike is making more and more ‘traditional’ unis, which are seemingly flying under the radar here on anti-swoosh central the UW blog…in the opposite corner, UA seems to be making more and more crap, and i hope it gets its due bashing from the readership

    btw…love the new ‘cuse unis

  • Jim | August 5, 2008 at 10:21 am |

    [quote comment=”283367″]There are other stupid number retirements out there…maybe not for a TV station…like 454 in cleveland…613 in the Garden, 85 in St Louis…[/quote]

    The one that bugs me is when new teams retire #1 for the ‘Fans’ or something like that. Seems like its the new teams streaching for some history.

    When I was in Philly for a PHI/NYR game I noticed they had retired numbers for Billy Joel and someone else I think for the number of sellout concerts. Thought that was kind of stupid too….

  • MPowers1634 | August 5, 2008 at 10:21 am |

    [quote comment=”283378″][quote comment=”283364″]The Syracuse unis are real nice. Classy, sharp, no annoying piping. Nike did a really good job. Now if Under Armour could just make a decent jersey![/quote]
    I agree. Didn’t someone on here say that Nike won’t put stripes on a uniform? Those sure look like stripes on the pants to me.[/quote]

    The stripes( braiding?) down the length of the ‘Cuse pants is an accepted element.

    What Adidas does by randomly placing their three stripes wantonly across their garments is needless.

    Although, I often refer back to this pic when debating the Nike “o-Stripes” rule, especially considering what team is wearing them:

    http://cache.daylife...

  • Teebz | August 5, 2008 at 10:22 am |

    [quote comment=”283382″][quote comment=”283380″][quote comment=”283379″]Any one else find it odd there are no black players front and center in that Brooks add? Wasn’t that Pirates team the first with an all black starting line-up?

    Like the NHL hats, but would love to see a Whalers hat![/quote]

    Will never happen. The NHL cannot use that logo without the consent of the city of Hartford.

    Let’s just say that Hartford is still a little peeved about having their team taken from them.[/quote]

    Isn’t it also something about the logo not being trademarked, so it cannot be reproduced?[/quote]

    The image itself cannot be trademarked, but all the Whalers’ copyrights and trademarks would remain as property of the city of Hartford according to the deal that the NHL, Peter Karmanos, and the city of Hartford signed when the Whalers moved south. That also includes the song “Brass Bonanza”, made famous at Whalers’ games.

  • Roger Faso | August 5, 2008 at 10:23 am |

    “It just made me wonder if there were other instances of teams retiring numbers for such abstract things as TV stations.”

    I’m pretty sure the Tampa Bay Devil Rays retired Wade Boggs’ number.

  • Stephen | August 5, 2008 at 10:25 am |

    [quote comment=”283375″]
    I like how Skip used to predict the double play during a game.

    Something like…. “we’ll go to an episode of Matlock right after this 6-4-3 double play”[/quote]

    I remember seeing the clip of the prediction coming true . . .
    “We’ll be showing “Treasure of the Sierra Madre right after Jeffrey Leonard grounds into a 6-4-3 double play . . .the pitch. . .6 . . .4 . . .3 . . enjoy the movie.”[/quote]
    It was “The Magnificent Seven.”
    “The Magnificent Seven are warming up in the bullpen and will be with you as soon as Leonard hits into a 6-4-3.” (Leonard hit a sharp grounder to short) “Six…Four…Three. Enjoy the movie. Goodnight, everybody”.

    Skip was a classic.

    ~E~

  • Kek | August 5, 2008 at 10:26 am |

    [quote comment=”283385″][quote comment=”283378″][quote comment=”283364″]The Syracuse unis are real nice. Classy, sharp, no annoying piping. Nike did a really good job. Now if Under Armour could just make a decent jersey![/quote]
    I agree. Didn’t someone on here say that Nike won’t put stripes on a uniform? Those sure look like stripes on the pants to me.[/quote]

    great point douggie…i seem to recall that being bantered about as well…don’t remember who said it tho

    seems as though nike is making more and more ‘traditional’ unis, which are seemingly flying under the radar here on anti-swoosh central the UW blog…in the opposite corner, UA seems to be making more and more crap, and i hope it gets its due bashing from the readership

    btw…love the new ‘cuse unis[/quote]
    Yeah, it was back-and-forth regarding Adidas and the three stripes and the banter as to whether that was a logo or a design element. I recall something about the new Cal unis supposedly having a swoosh element on their pants (which is TOTALLY far-fetched)

    Everyone knows I’m not a logo creep guy, but if that bothers you, I truly predict that within the next 3-5 years (if not sooner), UA is going to become more obnoxious than Nike with branding. They are grabbing more and more market share in NCAA by the day it seems. Their products are extremely popular with the HS aged kids and with their entry into footwear, sunglasses, etc they’re trying to take the swoosh head on.

  • Jim | August 5, 2008 at 10:27 am |

    [quote comment=”283388″][quote comment=”283382″][quote comment=”283380″][quote comment=”283379″]Any one else find it odd there are no black players front and center in that Brooks add? Wasn’t that Pirates team the first with an all black starting line-up?

    Like the NHL hats, but would love to see a Whalers hat![/quote]

    Will never happen. The NHL cannot use that logo without the consent of the city of Hartford.

    Let’s just say that Hartford is still a little peeved about having their team taken from them.[/quote]

    Isn’t it also something about the logo not being trademarked, so it cannot be reproduced?[/quote]

    The image itself cannot be trademarked, but all the Whalers’ copyrights and trademarks would remain as property of the city of Hartford according to the deal that the NHL, Peter Karmanos, and the city of Hartford signed when the Whalers moved south. That also includes the song “Brass Bonanza”, made famous at Whalers’ games.[/quote]

    Yeah I knew that there some was something weird about the Whalers logo and the NHL selling it. Too bad, I would like a Whalers hat. A buddy of mine bought a Whalers Shanahan jersey, looks bad ass. Keep telling him I have to find one cooler than his, but it’s hard… HAR had such a nice jersey.

  • Stephen | August 5, 2008 at 10:28 am |

    [quote comment=”283390″]
    It was “The Magnificent Seven.”
    “The Magnificent Seven are warming up in the bullpen and will be with you as soon as Leonard hits into a 6-4-3.” (Leonard hit a sharp grounder to short) “Six…Four…Three. Enjoy the movie. Goodnight, everybody”.

    Skip was a classic.

    ~E~[/quote]
    Wow…not sure how I got my post that FUBAR, but I clearly need another cup of coffee.

    I would like to see the Braves do some sort of uni-borne memorial, and was actually a bit surprised they didn’t at least have a black band on their jerseys last night.

    ~E~

  • gsaldi | August 5, 2008 at 10:29 am |

    can someone help me, why is clay buchholz wearing all of those necklaces or whatever they are? I couldnt help but to notice them when espn switched to nesn coverage during the cubs rain delay last night. Why is Clay wearing what looks like a rope or a string of tootsie rolls around his neck? You wanna talk about tacky looking uni accessories? I believe we have a winner

  • Teebz | August 5, 2008 at 10:29 am |

    [quote comment=”283392″]
    Yeah I knew that there some was something weird about the Whalers logo and the NHL selling it. Too bad, I would like a Whalers hat. A buddy of mine bought a Whalers Shanahan jersey, looks bad ass. Keep telling him I have to find one cooler than his, but it’s hard… HAR had such a nice jersey.[/quote]

    Totally agree, Jim. Hartford, Quebec, and Winnipeg all had pretty great jerseys.

    I’m still working on finding a pro Nords or pro Whale jersey for my collection that doesn’t require a second mortgage to buy. :o)

  • Kek | August 5, 2008 at 10:30 am |

    [quote comment=”283387″][quote comment=”283378″][quote comment=”283364″]The Syracuse unis are real nice. Classy, sharp, no annoying piping. Nike did a really good job. Now if Under Armour could just make a decent jersey![/quote]
    I agree. Didn’t someone on here say that Nike won’t put stripes on a uniform? Those sure look like stripes on the pants to me.[/quote]

    The stripes( braiding?) down the length of the ‘Cuse pants is an accepted element.

    What Adidas does by randomly placing their three stripes wantonly across their garments is needless.

    Although, I often refer back to this pic when debating the Nike “o-Stripes” rule, especially considering what team is wearing them:

    http://cache.daylife...
    Fair enough, I was just making the point because as I recall, a statement was made something like you won’t see anything that looks like a stripe on a nike uni.

  • Philly William | August 5, 2008 at 10:32 am |

    [quote comment=\”283386\”][quote comment=\”283367\”]There are other stupid number retirements out there…maybe not for a TV station…like 454 in cleveland…613 in the Garden, 85 in St Louis…[/quote]

    The one that bugs me is when new teams retire #1 for the \’Fans\’ or something like that. Seems like its the new teams streaching for some history.

    When I was in Philly for a PHI/NYR game I noticed they had retired numbers for Billy Joel and someone else I think for the number of sellout concerts. Thought that was kind of stupid too….[/quote]

    The other one is Springsteen. They’re not actually retired numbers, just the number of sellouts those guys have had. They update those banners every so often.

  • DD53 | August 5, 2008 at 10:36 am |

    Arkansas unveiled its new uniforms today.

    Article

    Picture

  • Wade Harder | August 5, 2008 at 10:37 am |

    [quote comment=”283385″][quote comment=”283378″][quote comment=”283364″]The Syracuse unis are real nice. Classy, sharp, no annoying piping. Nike did a really good job. Now if Under Armour could just make a decent jersey![/quote]
    I agree. Didn’t someone on here say that Nike won’t put stripes on a uniform? Those sure look like stripes on the pants to me.[/quote]

    great point douggie…i seem to recall that being bantered about as well…don’t remember who said it tho

    seems as though nike is making more and more ‘traditional’ unis, which are seemingly flying under the radar here on anti-swoosh central the UW blog…in the opposite corner, UA seems to be making more and more crap, and i hope it gets its due bashing from the readership

    btw…love the new ‘cuse unis[/quote]

    I’m glad Syracuse added white back to their jerseys instead of this two tone mess:
    http://farm3.static....

    And please, let’s hope these don’t come back this season either:
    http://bp1.blogger.c...

  • Marty Met | August 5, 2008 at 10:38 am |

    [quote comment=”283354″]Also, note that Manny in 1970 is wearing pants sans piping, so he was mixing and matching old and new uniforms.[/quote]

    But he was wear PERFECT stirrups. Not too much white the that Blyleven photo yesterday.

  • Wade Harder | August 5, 2008 at 10:39 am |

    [quote comment=”283398″]Arkansas unveiled its new uniforms today.

    Article

    Picture[/quote]

    Are you freakin’ kidding me? Those are awful. What they had with McFadden and Jones for the past few years were great.
    http://secfootballbl...

    Why, oh why?!

  • LI Phil | August 5, 2008 at 10:39 am |

    [quote comment=”283396″][quote comment=”283387″][quote comment=”283378″][quote comment=”283364″]The Syracuse unis are real nice. Classy, sharp, no annoying piping. Nike did a really good job. Now if Under Armour could just make a decent jersey![/quote]
    I agree. Didn’t someone on here say that Nike won’t put stripes on a uniform? Those sure look like stripes on the pants to me.[/quote]

    The stripes( braiding?) down the length of the ‘Cuse pants is an accepted element.

    What Adidas does by randomly placing their three stripes wantonly across their garments is needless.

    Although, I often refer back to this pic when debating the Nike “o-Stripes” rule, especially considering what team is wearing them:

    http://cache.daylife...
    Fair enough, I was just making the point because as I recall, a statement was made something like

    you won’t see anything that looks like a stripe on a nike uni.[/quote]

    well…technically…or so the reasoning given at the time went…what you see on the oregon unis aren’t stripes…even though i think everyone in their right mind would agree that those are, in fact and indeed, stripes

    back to your UA analogy, douggie…i totally agree…teh swoosh isn’t ‘hip’ enough for today’s kids, it’s UA all the way…and they’re definitely taking nike head on…so maybe in that 3-5 year period you’ll have certain bloggists bemoaning the evil UA…i certainly hope so

    i know it’s beating a dead horse, but how do we define a “stripe”…is it a SOLID, STRAIGHT LINE (and more than one???)…or…is it what UO is wearing (and the myriad possible variations thereof)? i say, UO has stripes…almost too close to a certain design element prevalent by mr. dassler’s company for my liking in fact…

  • Ricko | August 5, 2008 at 10:41 am |

    [quote comment=”283385″][quote comment=”283378″][quote comment=”283364″]The Syracuse unis are real nice. Classy, sharp, no annoying piping. Nike did a really good job. Now if Under Armour could just make a decent jersey![/quote]
    I agree. Didn’t someone on here say that Nike won’t put stripes on a uniform? Those sure look like stripes on the pants to me.[/quote]

    great point douggie…i seem to recall that being bantered about as well…don’t remember who said it tho

    seems as though nike is making more and more ‘traditional’ unis, which are seemingly flying under the radar here on anti-swoosh central the UW blog…in the opposite corner, UA seems to be making more and more crap, and i hope it gets its due bashing from the readership

    btw…love the new ‘cuse unis[/quote]

    Nike also honors tradition where it is told to, I suspect (LSU, for example). Again, though, if we search for, and quickly note, a few expections that’s de facto validation of the rule. Otherwise, we wouldn’t notice them as exceptions.

  • chance | August 5, 2008 at 10:42 am |

    [quote comment=”283359″][quote comment=”283356″]The Brewers have #50 hanging from the rafters of Miller Park, (next to Aaron, Yount, Fingers, Molitor, & Robinson) honoring Bob Uecker’s 50 years in baseball a few years back….Im not sure if its retired though.[/quote]

    I answered my own question
    http://milwaukee.bre...

    I’m guessing it’ll be replaced by another tribute, which may or not be a retired number, when Uek finally retires.

  • chance | August 5, 2008 at 10:43 am |

    [quote comment=”283392″][quote comment=”283388″][quote comment=”283382″][quote comment=”283380″][quote comment=”283379″]Any one else find it odd there are no black players front and center in that Brooks add? Wasn’t that Pirates team the first with an all black starting line-up?

    Like the NHL hats, but would love to see a Whalers hat![/quote]

    Will never happen. The NHL cannot use that logo without the consent of the city of Hartford.

    Let’s just say that Hartford is still a little peeved about having their team taken from them.[/quote]

    Isn’t it also something about the logo not being trademarked, so it cannot be reproduced?[/quote]

    The image itself cannot be trademarked, but all the Whalers’ copyrights and trademarks would remain as property of the city of Hartford according to the deal that the NHL, Peter Karmanos, and the city of Hartford signed when the Whalers moved south. That also includes the song “Brass Bonanza”, made famous at Whalers’ games.[/quote]

    Yeah I knew that there some was something weird about the Whalers logo and the NHL selling it. Too bad, I would like a Whalers hat. A buddy of mine bought a Whalers Shanahan jersey, looks bad ass. Keep telling him I have to find one cooler than his, but it’s hard… HAR had such a nice jersey.[/quote]

    If it can’t be trademarked, then the NHL could merchandise it.

  • Philly William | August 5, 2008 at 10:43 am |

    [quote comment=”283397″][quote comment=\”283386\”][quote comment=\”283367\”]There are other stupid number retirements out there…maybe not for a TV station…like 454 in cleveland…613 in the Garden, 85 in St Louis…[/quote]

    The one that bugs me is when new teams retire #1 for the \’Fans\’ or something like that. Seems like its the new teams streaching for some history.

    When I was in Philly for a PHI/NYR game I noticed they had retired numbers for Billy Joel and someone else I think for the number of sellout concerts. Thought that was kind of stupid too….[/quote]

    The other one is Springsteen. They’re not actually retired numbers, just the number of sellouts those guys have had. They update those banners every so often.[/quote]

    Photos:

    http://lh5.ggpht.com...

    http://lh5.ggpht.com...

  • DMWiz | August 5, 2008 at 10:45 am |

    The Seahawks #12 for the 12th man (the fans) and the Miami Heat retiring #23 for Michael Jordan are two examples that come to mind of teams retiring numbers not directly related to the team.

  • Rick White in Cedar Park, TX | August 5, 2008 at 10:45 am |

    [quote comment=\”283401\”][quote comment=\”283398\”]Arkansas unveiled its new uniforms today.

    Article

    Picture[/quote]

    Are you freakin\’ kidding me? Those are awful. What they had with McFadden and Jones for the past few years were great.
    http://secfootballbl...

    Why, oh why?![/quote]

    Who needs stripes running down the back of a jersey that should be tucked in?

    Only Bobby Petrino knows for sure.

    Maybe the Hogs will go back to reasonable uniforms in November when Petrino leaves to go to his next temporary job.

  • MPowers1634 | August 5, 2008 at 10:50 am |

    [quote comment=”283396″][quote comment=”283387″][quote comment=”283378″][quote comment=”283364″]The Syracuse unis are real nice. Classy, sharp, no annoying piping. Nike did a really good job. Now if Under Armour could just make a decent jersey![/quote]
    I agree. Didn’t someone on here say that Nike won’t put stripes on a uniform? Those sure look like stripes on the pants to me.[/quote]

    The stripes( braiding?) down the length of the ‘Cuse pants is an accepted element.

    What Adidas does by randomly placing their three stripes wantonly across their garments is needless.

    Although, I often refer back to this pic when debating the Nike “o-Stripes” rule, especially considering what team is wearing them:

    http://cache.daylife...
    Fair enough, I was just making the point because as I recall, a statement was made something like

    you won’t see anything that looks like a stripe on a nike uni.[/quote]

    Believe me, Kek…I am in your camp when it comes to both Nike initatives as well as “Logo Creep”!

    I think UA is WAY more blatant, watch “Friday Night Lights” or “The GridIron Gang” and you will see it firsthand!

    However, I can understand this tactic as a fledgling company trying to put their brand out there, I do not like it, except for the MAryland football and Lax unis, although I LOVED their old Nike kits!

  • who cares | August 5, 2008 at 10:51 am |

    I was so psyched to find this last night I posted it at 10:30pm. It’s such an awesome find for someone who has been a huge fan of Ghanaian football for years that I didn’t want it to get lost in the late night. For those of you who are interested, search for “soccer” in the archives and there are tons of photos from this match in Nigeria and a few matches from Zaire. I don’t know who the teams are but the Nigerian photos, like the Ghanaian photos, are listed as being taken in 1959. The Congo shots are listed as being taken in 1970.

    From last night: “Smithsonian has a great collection of African photographs in the Eliot Elisofon photographic archive. I found pics of my all time favorite team, the Accra Hearts of Oak, and some crowd shots of Accra Stadium. I have no idea who the team in yellow is but am pleased to see how well the Phobians uniforms have stood the test of time. I can only guess that the pink shorts are a result of washing the red jersies with the white pants. I wonder if Paul will like the socks? Unfortunately they are a historical legacy now.”

  • Dane | August 5, 2008 at 10:51 am |

    [quote comment=”283367″]There are other stupid number retirements out there…maybe not for a TV station…like 454 in cleveland…613 in the Garden, 85 in St Louis…[/quote]

    …1500 in Uniondale, NY…

  • Rick | August 5, 2008 at 10:51 am |

    Are those non-player numbers really retired or just honored? It seems a little extreme to actually retire the number. It’s like the Ravens have a Ring of Honor for past players, but do not have any numbers retired although I’m sure Jonathan Ogden’s #75 will be the first followed shortly thereafter by Ray Lewis’s #52 when he retires.

  • Teebz | August 5, 2008 at 10:53 am |

    [quote comment=”283405″]
    If it can’t be trademarked, then the NHL could merchandise it.[/quote]

    The image cannot be trademarked. However, the name “Whalers” is owned by the city of Hartford, and the name is renewed every time it comes up for trademark renewal. Therefore, all properties, including the logo, are renewed as well under the trademarked name.

    Mr. Verna? Is my rudimentary understanding of trademarking correct? Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

    If you’re the NHL, why would you want to kick a city when it is already down? Especially when you want those fans to come back to watching your product?

  • MPowers1634 | August 5, 2008 at 10:53 am |

    [quote comment=”283401″][quote comment=”283398″]Arkansas unveiled its new uniforms today.

    Article

    Picture[/quote]

    Are you freakin’ kidding me? Those are awful. What they had with McFadden and Jones for the past few years were great.
    http://secfootballbl...

    Why, oh why?![/quote]

    I take back what I just wrote about UA being blatant. Look at the collar embroidery by Adidas!

    At least Nike only ever placed a small swoosh, college logo, or even conference affiliation there!

    Adidas placed both their Logo and wordmark!

  • Neil | August 5, 2008 at 10:54 am |

    [quote comment=”283373″]Here is an article about a modern baseball team playing by the Civil War era rules. There is a lot of talk of their custom made uniforms.

    “As players sign on, the team will order more of the replica woolen uniforms, designed to reflect what the Civil War-era players wore. Each uniform costs about $250 and takes at least 12 weeks to make.”

    http://www.baltimore...

    Do I detect a swoosh on the shoes of the Civil War era uniform? A similar photo in Newsday on Monday (no online photos) after a weekend old time baseball tournament on Long Island clearly showed one player wearing the swoosh.

    I believe it was Grant and Phil Knight at Gettysburg.

  • Jordan Pope | August 5, 2008 at 10:54 am |

    [quote comment=”283401″][quote comment=”283398″]Arkansas unveiled its new uniforms today.

    Article

    Picture[/quote]

    Are you freakin’ kidding me? Those are awful. What they had with McFadden and Jones for the past few years were great.
    http://secfootballbl...

    Why, oh why?![/quote]

    that was a totally unneeded change
    but is that the same design as the michigan away jersey?

  • Kek | August 5, 2008 at 10:56 am |

    [quote comment=”283403″][quote comment=”283385″][quote comment=”283378″][quote comment=”283364″]The Syracuse unis are real nice. Classy, sharp, no annoying piping. Nike did a really good job. Now if Under Armour could just make a decent jersey![/quote]
    I agree. Didn’t someone on here say that Nike won’t put stripes on a uniform? Those sure look like stripes on the pants to me.[/quote]

    great point douggie…i seem to recall that being bantered about as well…don’t remember who said it tho

    seems as though nike is making more and more ‘traditional’ unis, which are seemingly flying under the radar here on anti-swoosh central the UW blog…in the opposite corner, UA seems to be making more and more crap, and i hope it gets its due bashing from the readership

    btw…love the new ‘cuse unis[/quote]

    Nike also honors tradition where it is told to, I suspect (LSU, for example). Again, though, if we search for, and quickly note, a few expections that’s de facto validation of the rule. Otherwise, we wouldn’t notice them as exceptions.[/quote]
    Point taken Ricko, and I don’t disagree, it’s just that I’m recalling the statement made with such absolute certainity and with no qualification to the traditional unis.

    The only thing with ‘Cuse as an example of these classic teams (LSU, USC, Ohio St come to mind) is the Syracuse “new look” (which I’ll define as 2005 forward) is that it’s a retro look, but not anything that necessarily was worn prior (i.e. not a throwback see link below). So maybe Nike was just commissioned to make a classic look…and they’ve tinkered with it for a few years, but finally got it right.

    http://www.suathleti...

  • Ricko | August 5, 2008 at 10:56 am |

    All I ever said was that Nike’s design philopsophy seems to involves curves, etc., preferring more use of organic shapes, eschewing hard straight line s and right angles. I wasn’t really criticizing them (other than for at times becoming too self-conscious and too self-defining of what looks good), was just saying it was an intriguing approach that probably had a defineable core philosophy…but with sometimes ghastly results. And sometimes results that are a lot of fun (Oregon football pre “tire tracks” and Oregon baseketball unis, to name two).

    I don’t hate Nike. I don’t say there are absolutes. I was simply trying to get a handle on their approach and philosopy, trying to figure why they do what they do, and then take a look at the results on a team-by-team basis.

    Doesn’t require an “oh, yeah” whenever they do a jersey with shoulder loops. They do them all the time, but I’m guessing it’s most likely when the team doesn’t give them license to mess around too much.

  • chance | August 5, 2008 at 10:57 am |

    [quote comment=”283402″][quote comment=”283396″][quote comment=”283387″][quote comment=”283378″][quote comment=”283364″]The Syracuse unis are real nice. Classy, sharp, no annoying piping. Nike did a really good job. Now if Under Armour could just make a decent jersey![/quote]
    I agree. Didn’t someone on here say that Nike won’t put stripes on a uniform? Those sure look like stripes on the pants to me.[/quote]

    The stripes( braiding?) down the length of the ‘Cuse pants is an accepted element.

    What Adidas does by randomly placing their three stripes wantonly across their garments is needless.

    Although, I often refer back to this pic when debating the Nike “o-Stripes” rule, especially considering what team is wearing them:

    http://cache.daylife...
    Fair enough, I was just making the point because as I recall, a statement was made something like

    you won’t see anything that looks like a stripe on a nike uni.[/quote]

    well…technically…or so the reasoning given at the time went…what you see on the oregon unis aren’t stripes…even though i think everyone in their right mind would agree that those are, in fact and indeed, stripes

    back to your UA analogy, douggie…i totally agree…teh swoosh isn’t ‘hip’ enough for today’s kids, it’s UA all the way…and they’re definitely taking nike head on…so maybe in that 3-5 year period you’ll have certain bloggists bemoaning the evil UA…i certainly hope so

    i know it’s beating a dead horse, but how do we define a “stripe”…is it a SOLID, STRAIGHT LINE (and more than one???)…or…is it what UO is wearing (and the myriad possible variations thereof)? i say, UO has stripes…almost too close to a certain design element prevalent by mr. dassler’s company for my liking in fact…[/quote]

    Personally, I define stripe as a solid, straight line of color distinct from the background, of even thickness and discernable at a distance. That separates stripes from piping, in my book.

    Blocks of colored fabric forming a jersey element are color panels, not stripes.

    So I would say that the Oregon uniform has color panels with lots of piping, not stripes. Don’t know if everyone else is cool with my definition, but that’s the distinction I would draw.

  • LI Phil | August 5, 2008 at 10:57 am |

    [quote]If you’re the NHL, why would you want to kick a city when it is already down?[/quote]

    because gary bettman is the commissioner?

  • Jim | August 5, 2008 at 10:58 am |

    [quote comment=”283395″][quote comment=”283392″]
    Yeah I knew that there some was something weird about the Whalers logo and the NHL selling it. Too bad, I would like a Whalers hat. A buddy of mine bought a Whalers Shanahan jersey, looks bad ass. Keep telling him I have to find one cooler than his, but it’s hard… HAR had such a nice jersey.[/quote]

    Totally agree, Jim. Hartford, Quebec, and Winnipeg all had pretty great jerseys.

    I’m still working on finding a pro Nords or pro Whale jersey for my collection that doesn’t require a second mortgage to buy. :o)[/quote]

    I find replicas for HAR every now and then when I search for jerseys for my collection. I am still looking for an affordable North Stars and Old School Green and red NJ devils for mine……

    Where do you look for jerseys Teebz?

  • Dane | August 5, 2008 at 11:01 am |

    [quote comment=”283395″]I’m still working on finding a pro Nords or pro Whale jersey for my collection that doesn’t require a second mortgage to buy. :o)[/quote]

    During my one visit to Quebec City a few years ago, I found a sports clothing store that apparently had the license to make/sell new products with the Nordiques logo. I picked up a sweatshirt for $45, and a Remparts scarf.

    I’ll dig through my stuff at home to find the name of the store.

  • Chris is Nashville | August 5, 2008 at 11:03 am |

    Here is a comical look at some college football logos. Who knew that a Zip is kinda like a Kangaroo?

    http://www.rockytopt...
    http://www.rockytopt...

  • Marty Met | August 5, 2008 at 11:06 am |

    [quote comment=”283399″][quote comment=”283385″][quote comment=”283378″][quote comment=”283364″]The Syracuse unis are real nice. Classy, sharp, no annoying piping. Nike did a really good job. Now if Under Armour could just make a decent jersey![/quote]
    I agree. Didn’t someone on here say that Nike won’t put stripes on a uniform? Those sure look like stripes on the pants to me.[/quote]

    great point douggie…i seem to recall that being bantered about as well…don’t remember who said it tho

    seems as though nike is making more and more ‘traditional’ unis, which are seemingly flying under the radar here on anti-swoosh central the UW blog…in the opposite corner, UA seems to be making more and more crap, and i hope it gets its due bashing from the readership

    btw…love the new ‘cuse unis[/quote]

    I’m glad Syracuse added white back to their jerseys instead of this two tone mess:
    http://farm3.static....

    And please, let’s hope these don’t come back this season either:
    http://bp1.blogger.c...

    I disagree the blue with orange numbers were great!!

  • Kek | August 5, 2008 at 11:06 am |

    [quote comment=”283409″][quote comment=”283396″][quote comment=”283387″][quote comment=”283378″][quote comment=”283364″]The Syracuse unis are real nice. Classy, sharp, no annoying piping. Nike did a really good job. Now if Under Armour could just make a decent jersey![/quote]
    I agree. Didn’t someone on here say that Nike won’t put stripes on a uniform? Those sure look like stripes on the pants to me.[/quote]

    The stripes( braiding?) down the length of the ‘Cuse pants is an accepted element.

    What Adidas does by randomly placing their three stripes wantonly across their garments is needless.

    Although, I often refer back to this pic when debating the Nike “o-Stripes” rule, especially considering what team is wearing them:

    http://cache.daylife...
    Fair enough, I was just making the point because as I recall, a statement was made something like

    you won’t see anything that looks like a stripe on a nike uni.[/quote]

    Believe me, Kek…I am in your camp when it comes to both Nike initatives as well as “Logo Creep”!

    I think UA is WAY more blatant, watch “Friday Night Lights” or “The GridIron Gang” and you will see it firsthand!

    However, I can understand this tactic as a fledgling company trying to put their brand out there, I do not like it, except for the MAryland football and Lax unis, although I LOVED their old Nike kits![/quote]
    Yep, it started with those 1″ (and later 1/2″) wristbands that guys wear above their elbows. I don’t remember seeing the NFL Equipment, Nike and Adidas branded ones until after UA.

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m not anti-UA by ANY stretch of the imagination. I own a lot of their different products. I’m only saying that they are really hitting the marketing trail hard (thus the logo creep issues) and I also think they’re football uni designs leave a LOT to be desired.

    Show me the most recent new releases that we’ve seen from Nike, Adidas and UA and that ‘Cuse uni is by far the best. Arkansas was not really in need of a change.

    I’m sorry, but it shows the slant in here. I know things were tongue in cheek when it came to the UA all star game with the logo creep on the helmets. I think it was generally accepted that they were given a pass because they were the presenting sponsor of the game. I doubt that would be the case if it was a Nike sponsored game.

  • jere | August 5, 2008 at 11:10 am |

    That retired “455” in Cleveland is gonna look even dumber on September 3rd when the record is broken at Fenway.

  • Ricko | August 5, 2008 at 11:17 am |

    “So I would say that the Oregon uniform has color panels with lots of piping, not stripes. Don’t know if everyone else is cool with my definition, but that’s the distinction I would draw.”

    Yup, to me a basic “stripe” (for purposes of these discussions) has no arch to it: The elementary geometry definition…scribing the shortest distance between two points.

    Otherwise it’s a “curved stripe” or “curved piping”. In uniform parlance, to me, stripes are those things around the Cardinals’ stirrups, or on the sleeves of Montana-era 49er jerseys.

    If you break down the Nike swoosh to its basic elements, it’s a triangle drawn with no straight lines.

    Don’t believe me? Noodle around with it a while.

  • GoTerriers | August 5, 2008 at 11:22 am |

    [quote comment=”283390″]It was “The Magnificent Seven.”
    “The Magnificent Seven are warming up in the bullpen and will be with you as soon as Leonard hits into a 6-4-3.” (Leonard hit a sharp grounder to short) “Six…Four…Three. Enjoy the movie. Goodnight, everybody”.

    Skip was a classic.

    ~E~[/quote]

    Thanks for the correction . . .I knew it was a Western, though.

    RIP, Skip . . .

  • LI Phil | August 5, 2008 at 11:25 am |

    yeah…i know it’s a throwback, but nike also got it right with their VT unis

    better than this garbage

    and marty…do you seriously like this, this, and this over this?

  • subway | August 5, 2008 at 11:25 am |

    [quote comment=”283397″][quote comment=\”283386\”][quote comment=\”283367\”]There are other stupid number retirements out there…maybe not for a TV station…like 454 in cleveland…613 in the Garden, 85 in St Louis…[/quote]

    The one that bugs me is when new teams retire #1 for the \’Fans\’ or something like that. Seems like its the new teams streaching for some history.

    When I was in Philly for a PHI/NYR game I noticed they had retired numbers for Billy Joel and someone else I think for the number of sellout concerts. Thought that was kind of stupid too….[/quote]

    The other one is Springsteen. They’re not actually retired numbers, just the number of sellouts those guys have had. They update those banners every so often.[/quote]
    At Madison Square Garden they have a Billy Joel 12 banner (12 straight sold out shows a few years ago) and an Elton John 60 banner because Elton celebrated b-day number 60 by playing MSG.

  • Ricko | August 5, 2008 at 11:26 am |

    “you won’t see anything that looks like a stripe on a nike uni.”

    I said that about when Nike was left totally to its own devices, which clearly is not always the case (again, the LSU and USC examples).

  • GoTerriers | August 5, 2008 at 11:28 am |

    [quote comment=”283426″]That retired “455” in Cleveland is gonna look even dumber on September 3rd when the record is broken at Fenway.[/quote]
    In understand what you’re saying, but people in Boston breaking a “record” of sellouts (which I don’t know that it IS) in Cleveland is comparing apples and doughnuts . . .

  • Kek | August 5, 2008 at 11:28 am |

    [quote comment=”283427″]”So I would say that the Oregon uniform has color panels with lots of piping, not stripes. Don’t know if everyone else is cool with my definition, but that’s the distinction I would draw.”

    Yup, to me a basic “stripe” (for purposes of these discussions) has no arch to it: The elementary geometry definition…scribing the shortest distance between two points.

    Otherwise it’s a “curved stripe” or “curved piping”. In uniform parlance, to me, stripes are those things around the Cardinals’ stirrups, or on the sleeves of Montana-era 49er jerseys.

    If you break down the Nike swoosh to its basic elements, it’s a triangle drawn with no straight lines.

    Don’t believe me? Noodle around with it a while.[/quote]
    I brought this up during a previous swoosh-related discussion: has it ever been brought up that the swoosh is the Newport cigarette logo flipped upside down? http://www.incompete...

    I just don’t know what came first. I know Newport has been around since the 50s but I am unclear as to when that logo bagan appearing on their packs. The swoosh made its debut in the early 70s right?

  • Ricko | August 5, 2008 at 11:29 am |

    re: Syracuse football unis.

    Well, if we go back FAR enough…

    http://vault.sportsi...

  • Teebz | August 5, 2008 at 11:30 am |

    [quote comment=”283420″][quote]If you’re the NHL, why would you want to kick a city when it is already down?[/quote]

    because gary bettman is the commissioner?[/quote]

    Touché, Phil. Touché, indeed. ;o)

  • Marty Met | August 5, 2008 at 11:30 am |

    [quote comment=”283429″]yeah…i know it’s a throwback, but nike also got it right with their VT unis

    better than this garbage

    and marty…do you seriously like this, this, and this over this?[/quote]

    Yes.

  • Wade Harder | August 5, 2008 at 11:30 am |

    [quote comment=”283434″]re: Syracuse football unis.

    Well, if we go back FAR enough…

    http://vault.sportsi...

    It’s still ugly no matter what decade it’s in.

  • LI Phil | August 5, 2008 at 11:30 am |

    [quote comment=”283433″]The swoosh made its debut in the early 70s right?[/quote]

    1971

  • GoTerriers | August 5, 2008 at 11:31 am |

    [quote comment=”283434″]re: Syracuse football unis.

    Well, if we go back FAR enough…

    http://vault.sportsi...
    GAAAAA . . .looks like a prison work crew uniform (not that I have any PERSONAL experience with those).

  • Banker Bill | August 5, 2008 at 11:32 am |

    If you really love your team, bleed for it.

    I have a NY Rangers tattoo – but I doin’t have any pics of it. I’ll have to scan one I guess.

  • Teebz | August 5, 2008 at 11:32 am |

    [quote comment=”283421″]
    I find replicas for HAR every now and then when I search for jerseys for my collection. I am still looking for an affordable North Stars and Old School Green and red NJ devils for mine……

    Where do you look for jerseys Teebz?[/quote]

    All over the place. I search EBay as much as possible, but it seems that no one on there knows the difference between pro jerseys and replica-with-fighting-strap-sewn-in jerseys. The number of BS jerseys on there is insane, and the real ones are usually priced in the four-digit amounts.

    Otherwise, I tend to check out sports conventions and stuff.

  • Teebz | August 5, 2008 at 11:33 am |

    [quote comment=”283422″][quote comment=”283395″]I’m still working on finding a pro Nords or pro Whale jersey for my collection that doesn’t require a second mortgage to buy. :o)[/quote]

    During my one visit to Quebec City a few years ago, I found a sports clothing store that apparently had the license to make/sell new products with the Nordiques logo. I picked up a sweatshirt for $45, and a Remparts scarf.

    I’ll dig through my stuff at home to find the name of the store.[/quote]

    I’ll be eternally endebted to you if you find the name, Dane. :o)

  • interlockingtc | August 5, 2008 at 11:36 am |

    The O’Brien trophy is funny looking.

    What’s really bothersome, though, is how it is so prominently featured on those Spurs championship banners. I mean, shouldn’t it be the Spurs logo which is highlighted, with the words “20__ NBA Champions” below?

    This seems like a case of NBA logo (trophy) creep to me. Kind of gross.

  • Kek | August 5, 2008 at 11:37 am |

    [quote comment=”283436″][quote comment=”283429″]yeah…i know it’s a throwback, but nike also got it right with their VT unis

    better than this garbage

    and marty…do you seriously like this, this, and this over this?[/quote]

    Yes.[/quote]
    Boy, I’d guess you’ll be in the minority. I honestly think after tinkering around, they got this one right. I really think you need the white to bring out the orange against that dark of a shade of blue.

  • Gary | August 5, 2008 at 11:38 am |

    The Angels retired #26 for owner Gene Autry

    http://anaheim.angel...

  • Daver | August 5, 2008 at 11:38 am |

    What’s the latest on Oklahoma City? I thought they were going to unveil their uniforms last week?

  • Jim | August 5, 2008 at 11:42 am |

    [quote comment=”283442″][quote comment=”283422″][quote comment=”283395″]I’m still working on finding a pro Nords or pro Whale jersey for my collection that doesn’t require a second mortgage to buy. :o)[/quote]

    During my one visit to Quebec City a few years ago, I found a sports clothing store that apparently had the license to make/sell new products with the Nordiques logo. I picked up a sweatshirt for $45, and a Remparts scarf.

    I’ll dig through my stuff at home to find the name of the store.[/quote]

    I’ll be eternally endebted to you if you find the name, Dane. :o)[/quote]

    As will I…

  • Ricko | August 5, 2008 at 11:43 am |

    [quote comment=”283436″][quote comment=”283429″]yeah…i know it’s a throwback, but nike also got it right with their VT unis

    better than this garbage

    and marty…do you seriously like this, this, and this over this?[/quote]

    Yes.[/quote]

    I like the two-color sans-white (although much prefer the navy jersey version). I’ve said before, to me a throwback/retro should either be A) really classic or B) so unbelievably ugly it’s cool.

    The navy jersey combos was somewhere between A and B, depending on your point of view. The all-orange was unquesitionably B. The White jersey version (not shown here) was A.

    Definitely a uni to stimulate a reaction, though.

  • War Damn Eagle | August 5, 2008 at 11:45 am |

    [quote comment=”283364″]The Syracuse unis are real nice. Classy, sharp, no annoying piping. Nike did a really good job. Now if Under Armour could just make a decent jersey![/quote]

    Under Armour does make a decent jersey – Auburn

    http://www.waudradio...

  • LI Phil | August 5, 2008 at 11:46 am |

    one thing i’ve always wondered…maybe someone who knows the ‘cuse can answer…

    they’re the “orange” or, prior to that “orangemen”…yet they, with a few exceptions have always worn blue shirts with orange pants…you’d think that they’d have worn orange jerseys on blue pants. (refer back to the link doug posted above)…

    of course…as ricko pointed out…this wasn’t always the case…but still they had the orange pants

    is this because they ALWAYS will have orange pants and helmets whenever they play (home or away jersey notwithstanding)?

    if so, the rationale makes sense, but i always felt the orange should wear an orange jersey with contrasting pants (and…i DO LOVE some monochrome unis…so this is an exception rather than a rule in my own personal book)…orange is just one color that needs to be broken up

  • Marty Met | August 5, 2008 at 11:46 am |

    [quote comment=”283444″][quote comment=”283436″][quote comment=”283429″]yeah…i know it’s a throwback, but nike also got it right with their VT unis

    better than this garbage

    and marty…do you seriously like this, this, and this over this?[/quote]

    Yes.[/quote]
    Boy, I’d guess you’ll be in the minority. I honestly think after tinkering around, they got this one right. I really think you need the white to bring out the orange against that dark of a shade of blue.[/quote]

    Now it looks like a hundred other college football uniforms.

  • who cares | August 5, 2008 at 11:47 am |

    [quote comment=”283448″][quote comment=”283436″][quote comment=”283429″]yeah…i know it’s a throwback, but nike also got it right with their VT unis

    better than this garbage

    and marty…do you seriously like this, this, and this over this?[/quote]

    Yes.[/quote]

    I like the two-color sans-white (although much prefer the navy jersey version). I’ve said before, to me a throwback/retro should either be A) really classic or B) so unbelievably ugly it’s cool.

    The navy jersey combos was somewhere between A and B, depending on your point of view. The all-orange was unquesitionably B. The White jersey version (not shown here) was A.

    Definitely a uni to stimulate a reaction, though.[/quote]

    I like last year’s blue jersey with orange pants as well. It feels new but not gimicky which I think is something hard to pull off. In my opinion there are classic uniforms which are good and have been good for so long it would be ashame to change them even for something better. Then there is the new school which can look awesome but all too often tries to use “different” as a replacement for “nice.”

  • Jim | August 5, 2008 at 11:47 am |

    [quote comment=”283441″][quote comment=”283421″]
    I find replicas for HAR every now and then when I search for jerseys for my collection. I am still looking for an affordable North Stars and Old School Green and red NJ devils for mine……

    Where do you look for jerseys Teebz?[/quote]

    All over the place. I search EBay as much as possible, but it seems that no one on there knows the difference between pro jerseys and replica-with-fighting-strap-sewn-in jerseys. The number of BS jerseys on there is insane, and the real ones are usually priced in the four-digit amounts.

    Otherwise, I tend to check out sports conventions and stuff.[/quote]

    I check ebay as well, and I agree that you have to be carefull on what you find. You have to look at the picture and see if it even matches the description. Being I live in the Detroit area, with a good hockey fan base, there are a couple stores around here that sell some quality stuff.

    You do get lucky sometimes, I picked up a PIT jersey with the triangle penguin logo, for 17 bucks once. Fight strap and everything, perfect condition.

    But as for a good WIN, MIN north stars, or old NJ, those are hard to find. May have to settle for a replica. And those are almost getting to be too much money too!

  • scott | August 5, 2008 at 11:51 am |

    [quote comment=”283432″][quote comment=”283426″]That retired “455” in Cleveland is gonna look even dumber on September 3rd when the record is broken at Fenway.[/quote]
    In understand what you’re saying, but people in Boston breaking a “record” of sellouts (which I don’t know that it IS) in Cleveland is comparing apples and doughnuts . . .[/quote]

    Cleveland’s achievement is the more impressive, I think, though I’m always skeptical of these “sellout streaks.” When Boston went into the tank in September 2006, there were lots and lots of tickets suddenly available.

  • Kek | August 5, 2008 at 11:57 am |

    [quote comment=”283449″][quote comment=”283364″]The Syracuse unis are real nice. Classy, sharp, no annoying piping. Nike did a really good job. Now if Under Armour could just make a decent jersey![/quote]

    Under Armour does make a decent jersey – Auburn

    http://www.waudradio...
    I’d probably put Auburn in the classic category that UA wouldn’t be allowed to get too creative. Similar to the untouchable schools that Nike deals with.

  • who cares | August 5, 2008 at 12:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”283455″][quote comment=”283449″][quote comment=”283364″]The Syracuse unis are real nice. Classy, sharp, no annoying piping. Nike did a really good job. Now if Under Armour could just make a decent jersey![/quote]

    Under Armour does make a decent jersey – Auburn

    http://www.waudradio...
    I’d probably put Auburn in the classic category that UA wouldn’t be allowed to get too creative. Similar to the untouchable schools that Nike deals with.[/quote]

    As a Gator fan I worry about Nike tinkering. I don’t love the cursive “Gators” on the helmet and it’s only thirty years old, but I’d hate to see it go. The current blue jersies only date back to 1990 and Steve Spurrier’s arrival (though some tinkering with the stripes happened when the team moved from Starter to Nike so that they would match the helmet stripe). The team wore an orange sleeve for one game and has tinkered with the monochrome blue look under Meyer. Seems to me a pretty modest history to pin the “classic” label on yet Nike has been mostly hands off. Though I’m biased towards the orange jersies the team wore in my youth, I’d settle for the current get up if they’d just stick with the blue jersey/white pants set up and switch back to the white jersey/orange pants set up.

  • LarenR | August 5, 2008 at 12:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”283450″]one thing i’ve always wondered…maybe someone who knows the ‘cuse can answer…

    they’re the “orange” or, prior to that “orangemen”…yet they, with a few exceptions have always worn blue shirts with orange pants…you’d think that they’d have worn orange jerseys on blue pants. (refer back to the link doug posted above)…

    of course…as ricko pointed out…this wasn’t always the case…but still they had the orange pants

    is this because they ALWAYS will have orange pants and helmets whenever they play (home or away jersey notwithstanding)?

    if so, the rationale makes sense, but i always felt the orange should wear an orange jersey with contrasting pants (and…i DO LOVE some monochrome unis…so this is an exception rather than a rule in my own personal book)…orange is just one color that needs to be broken up[/quote]
    You mean like all the brown in the Cleveland football uniforms?

  • Kerry P | August 5, 2008 at 12:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”283452″][quote comment=”283448″][quote comment=”283436″][quote comment=”283429″]yeah…i know it’s a throwback, but nike also got it right with their VT unis

    better than this garbage

    and marty…do you seriously like this, this, and this over this?[/quote]

    Yes.[/quote]

    I like the two-color sans-white (although much prefer the navy jersey version). I’ve said before, to me a throwback/retro should either be A) really classic or B) so unbelievably ugly it’s cool.

    The navy jersey combos was somewhere between A and B, depending on your point of view. The all-orange was unquesitionably B. The White jersey version (not shown here) was A.

    Definitely a uni to stimulate a reaction, though.[/quote]

    I like last year’s blue jersey with orange pants as well. It feels new but not gimicky which I think is something hard to pull off. In my opinion there are classic uniforms which are good and have been good for so long it would be ashame to change them even for something better. Then there is the new school which can look awesome but all too often tries to use “different” as a replacement for “nice.”[/quote]
    I actually REALLY liked the navy jerseys and orange pants from last year also. It was similar to Ole Miss and LSU, but still different with just the two-tone look. Also, the lack of the white accent color combined with the gray facemask gave it an “old-school” feel.

    But I think we also need to give credit or place blame where it’s due. David Cutcliffe at Duke, Greg Robinson at Syracuse, an Bobby Petrino at Arkansas. I think they all had a significant role in the change in the team’s unis. Cutcliffe and Robinson for the good, Petrino for the not so good. He’ll ruin Arkansas’s unis just like he did for Louisville.

  • Wade Harder | August 5, 2008 at 12:24 pm |

    I still think it boils down to the school/coach’s decision. If they want to keep the uniforms the same, Nike/Adidas/Under Armour will oblige. I’m still disappointed in Arkansas. Did they have that big of a need to break from the Houston Nutt era?

  • LI Phil | August 5, 2008 at 12:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”283455″][quote comment=”283449″][quote comment=”283364″]The Syracuse unis are real nice. Classy, sharp, no annoying piping. Nike did a really good job. Now if Under Armour could just make a decent jersey![/quote]

    Under Armour does make a decent jersey – Auburn

    http://www.waudradio...
    I’d probably put Auburn in the classic category that UA wouldn’t be allowed to get too creative. Similar to the untouchable schools that Nike deals with.[/quote]

    what exactly constitutes “untouchable” and why, then, are adidas, nike, UA, et. al. allowed to ‘tinker’ with the uniforms at all (obviously a stripe [ahem] here and there or a slight modification is one thing)…but…for example, the single orange sleeve on UF or VT…and all the godawful curves, horns and such…don’t these schools have any say in such matters? are nike/adidas/UA pumping soooooooooo much money into the programs that they can just have free reign?

    seems to me the uni manufacturers don’t really have all that much to gain by messing with a classic uni, and much more to lose…im sure nike is quite content making ‘classic’ usc unis…

    are the AD’s getting a dump truck full of benjamins to change things up?

    i suppose it has been ‘proven’ that a potential recruit will actually choose a school based on it’s affiliation and uniform…which in and of itself is sad…not that they would choose a school based on the education they might possibly receive (*laughs out loud at that statement*)

    i mean…and i guess im naive…it really is all about marketing…you own a classic uni, you won’t buy another, but if nike/adidas/UA changes your uni every year or two…well, then, i guess you need that new uni, right? i mean, how many ND jerseys can you really own?

  • Paul Lukas | August 5, 2008 at 12:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”283358″]I think Paul deserves big thanks for the raffles. Giving his readers a chance to enjoy some of the spoils is “totally boss.”

    Thanks Paul.[/quote]

    You’re welcome. It’s an easy and fun way to give something back to you guys. If only I could enter the raffles myself!

  • BS | August 5, 2008 at 1:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”283391″][quote comment=”283385″][quote comment=”283378″][quote comment=”283364″]The Syracuse unis are real nice. Classy, sharp, no annoying piping. Nike did a really good job. Now if Under Armour could just make a decent jersey![/quote]
    I agree. Didn’t someone on here say that Nike won’t put stripes on a uniform? Those sure look like stripes on the pants to me.[/quote]

    great point douggie…i seem to recall that being bantered about as well…don’t remember who said it tho

    seems as though nike is making more and more ‘traditional’ unis, which are seemingly flying under the radar here on anti-swoosh central the UW blog…in the opposite corner, UA seems to be making more and more crap, and i hope it gets its due bashing from the readership

    btw…love the new ‘cuse unis[/quote]
    Yeah, it was back-and-forth regarding Adidas and the three stripes and the banter as to whether that was a logo or a design element. I recall something about the new Cal unis supposedly having a swoosh element on their pants (which is TOTALLY far-fetched)

    Everyone knows I’m not a logo creep guy, but if that bothers you, I truly predict that within the next 3-5 years (if not sooner), UA is going to become more obnoxious than Nike with branding. They are grabbing more and more market share in NCAA by the day it seems. Their products are extremely popular with the HS aged kids and with their entry into footwear, sunglasses, etc they’re trying to take the swoosh head on.[/quote]
    Glad to say that I don’t belong to that group. I try to avoid corporate logos at all cost, especially on the stupid preppy shirts with the logo as a big watermark. The other kids at my school don’t understand that they are basically becoming human billboards.

  • BS | August 5, 2008 at 1:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”283401″][quote comment=”283398″]Arkansas unveiled its new uniforms today.

    Article

    Picture[/quote]

    Are you freakin’ kidding me? Those are awful. What they had with McFadden and Jones for the past few years were great.
    http://secfootballbl...

    Why, oh why?![/quote]
    I would kind of like them if the side piping didn’t extend to the back. If it didn’t, it could look decent, kind of like a hog’s tusks. they also didn’t need the black outline on the numbers.

  • David | August 5, 2008 at 1:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”283444″][quote comment=”283436″][quote comment=”283429″]yeah…i know it’s a throwback, but nike also got it right with their VT unis

    better than this garbage

    and marty…do you seriously like this, this, and this over this?[/quote]

    Yes.[/quote]
    Boy, I’d guess you’ll be in the minority. I honestly think after tinkering around, they got this one right. I really think you need the white to bring out the orange against that dark of a shade of blue.[/quote]

    I’m with Marty. I don’t like the all-orange uniforms, but the blue jerseys and orange pants were seriously sharp. Very retro, very classy, and very nice. The new ones are okay – no real complaints – but they seem a bit too standard.

  • Michael | August 5, 2008 at 1:21 pm |

    Those new Arkansas jerseys are UGLY! To me they look like there from the same template as Michigan’s road jersey. If so what do the “horn” represent for the Wolverines?

  • Kek | August 5, 2008 at 1:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”283460″][quote comment=”283455″][quote comment=”283449″][quote comment=”283364″]The Syracuse unis are real nice. Classy, sharp, no annoying piping. Nike did a really good job. Now if Under Armour could just make a decent jersey![/quote]

    Under Armour does make a decent jersey – Auburn

    http://www.waudradio...
    I’d probably put Auburn in the classic category that UA wouldn’t be allowed to get too creative. Similar to the untouchable schools that Nike deals with.[/quote]

    what exactly constitutes “untouchable” and why, then, are adidas, nike, UA, et. al. allowed to ‘tinker’ with the uniforms at all (obviously a stripe [ahem] here and there or a slight modification is one thing)…but…for example, the single orange sleeve on UF or VT…and all the godawful curves, horns and such…don’t these schools have any say in such matters? are nike/adidas/UA pumping soooooooooo much money into the programs that they can just have free reign?

    seems to me the uni manufacturers don’t really have all that much to gain by messing with a classic uni, and much more to lose…im sure nike is quite content making ‘classic’ usc unis…

    are the AD’s getting a dump truck full of benjamins to change things up?

    i suppose it has been ‘proven’ that a potential recruit will actually choose a school based on it’s affiliation and uniform…which in and of itself is sad…not that they would choose a school based on the education they might possibly receive (*laughs out loud at that statement*)

    i mean…and i guess im naive…it really is all about marketing…you own a classic uni, you won’t buy another, but if nike/adidas/UA changes your uni every year or two…well, then, i guess you need that new uni, right? i mean, how many ND jerseys can you really own?[/quote]
    well stated phil

    I think that’s a question that needs asked on a case-by-case basis. I have some roundabout contacts at Pitt. Maybe I can find out how their case worked. I know the school was instrumental in bringing the school back to PITT and away from PITTSBURGH but not sure of the design elements. But I’d to go back to the decision to move away from Pitt and changing the colors. They were nike for a few years but when those unis were introduced, they were Champion. What is the split between manufacturer and school marketing department? Also, with template designs, it almost like schools design to fit said templates.

  • Teebz | August 5, 2008 at 1:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”283462″][quote comment=”283391″]
    Everyone knows I’m not a logo creep guy, but if that bothers you, I truly predict that within the next 3-5 years (if not sooner), UA is going to become more obnoxious than Nike with branding. They are grabbing more and more market share in NCAA by the day it seems. Their products are extremely popular with the HS aged kids and with their entry into footwear, sunglasses, etc they’re trying to take the swoosh head on.[/quote]
    Glad to say that I don’t belong to that group. I try to avoid corporate logos at all cost, especially on the stupid preppy shirts with the logo as a big watermark. The other kids at my school don’t understand that they are basically becoming human billboards.[/quote]

    But there’s a major difference at play here. The vast majority of high school students aren’t mandated by what Nike/UA/Reebok/adidas designs. They choose what shirts, hats, shoes, socks, underwear, sunglasses, eye patches, religious headwear, whatever that they want to wear. Some use it as a status symbol. Others want to emulate their sporting heroes.

    Logo creep, in my view, is the inability to choose to display a logo due to a manufacturer’s manifesto of logo identification.

  • Dane | August 5, 2008 at 1:42 pm |

    The Steelers coaching staff unveils the latest in training camp technology…

    http://sportsillustr...

  • Chris | August 5, 2008 at 1:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”283420″][quote]If you’re the NHL, why would you want to kick a city when it is already down?[/quote]

    because gary bettman is the commissioner?[/quote]
    Gary Bettman is a Bud Selig.

  • Dane | August 5, 2008 at 1:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”283447″][quote comment=”283442″][quote comment=”283422″][quote comment=”283395″]I’m still working on finding a pro Nords or pro Whale jersey for my collection that doesn’t require a second mortgage to buy. :o)[/quote]

    During my one visit to Quebec City a few years ago, I found a sports clothing store that apparently had the license to make/sell new products with the Nordiques logo. I picked up a sweatshirt for $45, and a Remparts scarf.

    I’ll dig through my stuff at home to find the name of the store.[/quote]

    I’ll be eternally endebted to you if you find the name, Dane. :o)[/quote]

    As will I…[/quote]

    Google is amazing, even when you’re trying to find a store you visited in another country three years ago…

    Logo Sport — 1047 Rue St. Jean, (418) 692-1351. Sports fans to the front of the line. Even though they moved to Colorado in 1995, Quebec Nordiques hockey memorabilia remains a bestselling item.

  • Teebz | August 5, 2008 at 1:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”283470″]
    Google is amazing, even when you’re trying to find a store you visited in another country three years ago…

    Logo Sport — 1047 Rue St. Jean, (418) 692-1351. Sports fans to the front of the line. Even though they moved to Colorado in 1995, Quebec Nordiques hockey memorabilia remains a bestselling item.[/quote]

    Wow… is this 1990? No website to hock their wares? I’m going to be calling this afternoon.

    Thanks, Dane! Mucho gracias! :o)

  • Jim | August 5, 2008 at 1:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”283471″][quote comment=”283470″]
    Google is amazing, even when you’re trying to find a store you visited in another country three years ago…

    Logo Sport — 1047 Rue St. Jean, (418) 692-1351. Sports fans to the front of the line. Even though they moved to Colorado in 1995, Quebec Nordiques hockey memorabilia remains a bestselling item.[/quote]

    Wow… is this 1990? No website to hock their wares? I’m going to be calling this afternoon.

    Thanks, Dane! Mucho gracias! :o)[/quote]

    First thing I said too…. No website?!?! Too bad I get charged an arm and a leg for calling canada… screw it, I’m calling.

    Thanks though Dane!

  • LI Phil | August 5, 2008 at 2:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”283472″][quote comment=”283471″][quote comment=”283470″]
    Google is amazing, even when you’re trying to find a store you visited in another country three years ago…

    Logo Sport — 1047 Rue St. Jean, (418) 692-1351. Sports fans to the front of the line. Even though they moved to Colorado in 1995, Quebec Nordiques hockey memorabilia remains a bestselling item.[/quote]

    Wow… is this 1990? No website to hock their wares? I’m going to be calling this afternoon.

    Thanks, Dane! Mucho gracias! :o)[/quote]

    First thing I said too…. No website?!?! Too bad I get charged an arm and a leg for calling canada… screw it, I’m calling.

    Thanks though Dane![/quote]

    best i could find

    talk about old school

    let us know how you did, teebz & jim! (and tip of the cap to dane for the info)

  • Rob Hinkle | August 5, 2008 at 2:06 pm |

    It’s not a number but the Philadelphia 76ers retired a “microphone banner” in honor of announcer Dave Zinkoff

  • Jim | August 5, 2008 at 2:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”283473″][quote comment=”283472″][quote comment=”283471″][quote comment=”283470″]
    Google is amazing, even when you’re trying to find a store you visited in another country three years ago…

    Logo Sport — 1047 Rue St. Jean, (418) 692-1351. Sports fans to the front of the line. Even though they moved to Colorado in 1995, Quebec Nordiques hockey memorabilia remains a bestselling item.[/quote]

    Wow… is this 1990? No website to hock their wares? I’m going to be calling this afternoon.

    Thanks, Dane! Mucho gracias! :o)[/quote]

    First thing I said too…. No website?!?! Too bad I get charged an arm and a leg for calling canada… screw it, I’m calling.

    Thanks though Dane![/quote]

    best i could find

    talk about old school

    let us know how you did, teebz & jim! (and tip of the cap to dane for the info)[/quote]

    Found some store in CO that sells Logo Sport stuff, but all it links to is a Myspace page…. Damn!!

  • Roger Faso | August 5, 2008 at 2:11 pm |

    Holy smokes. Is this is a great picture or what?

    http://sportsillustr...

  • Roger Faso | August 5, 2008 at 2:13 pm |

    Is it just me, or do the Colts have a gray stripe inbetween the blue ones and a gray outline around the numbers, in this picture?

    http://sportsillustr...

  • Ricko | August 5, 2008 at 2:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”283477″]Is it just me, or do the Colts have a gray stripe inbetween the blue ones and a gray outline around the numbers, in this picture?

    http://sportsillustr...

    They do, indeed. There was a year (or two) when they had gray

  • Ricko | August 5, 2008 at 2:19 pm |

    (continued…)

    pants with the royal jerseys, too. Pants had little horseshoe logo and player’s number at top of the stripe. Back when Mike Pagel was their QB, as I recall.

  • Stuby | August 5, 2008 at 2:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”283478″][quote comment=”283477″]Is it just me, or do the Colts have a gray stripe inbetween the blue ones and a gray outline around the numbers, in this picture?

    http://sportsillustr...

    They do, indeed. There was a year (or two) when they had gray[/quote]
    Wow, I don’t recall the white facemask either.

  • nick | August 5, 2008 at 2:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”283401″][quote comment=”283398″]Arkansas unveiled its new uniforms today.

    Article

    Picture[/quote]

    Are you freakin’ kidding me? Those are awful. What they had with McFadden and Jones for the past few years were great.
    http://secfootballbl...

    Why, oh why?![/quote]

    DITTO ….

    These are awful !!!!!

    Maybe Bobby Petrino is sent around by some negative force in the universe to go team-to-team and mentally “test” them, whether it be integrity-wise or uniform-wise. If I remember right Louisville changed unforms quite a bit in his era and usually for the worst.

  • LI Phil | August 5, 2008 at 2:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”283478″][quote comment=”283477″]Is it just me, or do the Colts have a gray stripe inbetween the blue ones and a gray outline around the numbers, in this picture?

    http://sportsillustr...

    They do, indeed. There was a year (or two) when they had gray[/quote]

    we had a pretty good discussion on this back in…i wanna say…november 07…found some (i guess rare) pics of a game played in cincy with the colts sporting gray pants…bunch of folks found some good old pics…if i have some time i’ll try to track that down

  • Ricko | August 5, 2008 at 2:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”283482″][quote comment=”283478″][quote comment=”283477″]Is it just me, or do the Colts have a gray stripe inbetween the blue ones and a gray outline around the numbers, in this picture?

    http://sportsillustr...

    They do, indeed. There was a year (or two) when they had gray[/quote]

    we had a pretty good discussion on this back in…i wanna say…november 07…found some (i guess rare) pics of a game played in cincy with the colts sporting gray pants…bunch of folks found some good old pics…if i have some time i’ll try to track that down[/quote]

    Can see hip logo and silver/gray cast to pants on these cards…
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

  • Mike Engle | August 5, 2008 at 2:30 pm |

    Zipped through the comments, and I have some bullsh*t retired jerseys that haven’t been mentioned yet. (I define bullsh*t retired jerseys as purely commemorative numbers taken out of circulation for non-players. Unrealistic numbers such as Tom Cheek’s #4306 are slightly more tolerable in my mind.)
    Dr. Jack Ramsey, Portland Trail Blazers #77 for the 1977 NBA Finals victory
    Chuck Daly, Detroit Pistons #2 for the 1989-90 back-to-back titles.
    Carl Barger, Florida Marlins #5. The last Marlins president, whose favorite player was Joe DiMaggio, died just before the Marlins’ first ever game.

  • Ricko | August 5, 2008 at 2:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”283483″][quote comment=”283482″][quote comment=”283478″][quote comment=”283477″]Is it just me, or do the Colts have a gray stripe inbetween the blue ones and a gray outline around the numbers, in this picture?

    http://sportsillustr...

    They do, indeed. There was a year (or two) when they had gray[/quote]

    we had a pretty good discussion on this back in…i wanna say…november 07…found some (i guess rare) pics of a game played in cincy with the colts sporting gray pants…bunch of folks found some good old pics…if i have some time i’ll try to track that down[/quote]

    Can see hip logo and silver/gray cast to pants on these cards…
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    better look at Pagel…
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

  • LI Phil | August 5, 2008 at 2:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”283483″][quote comment=”283482″][quote comment=”283478″][quote comment=”283477″]Is it just me, or do the Colts have a gray stripe inbetween the blue ones and a gray outline around the numbers, in this picture?

    http://sportsillustr...

    They do, indeed. There was a year (or two) when they had gray[/quote]

    we had a pretty good discussion on this back in…i wanna say…november 07…found some (i guess rare) pics of a game played in cincy with the colts sporting gray pants…bunch of folks found some good old pics…if i have some time i’ll try to track that down[/quote]

    Can see hip logo and silver/gray cast to pants on these cards…
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    much better than the short-lived blue pants

  • Ricko | August 5, 2008 at 2:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”283485″][quote comment=”283483″][quote comment=”283482″][quote comment=”283478″][quote comment=”283477″]Is it just me, or do the Colts have a gray stripe inbetween the blue ones and a gray outline around the numbers, in this picture?

    http://sportsillustr...

    They do, indeed. There was a year (or two) when they had gray[/quote]

    we had a pretty good discussion on this back in…i wanna say…november 07…found some (i guess rare) pics of a game played in cincy with the colts sporting gray pants…bunch of folks found some good old pics…if i have some time i’ll try to track that down[/quote]

    Can see hip logo and silver/gray cast to pants on these cards…
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    better look at Pagel…
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    Must have worn them vs. Bills, too…
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

  • Marty Met | August 5, 2008 at 2:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”283379″]Any one else find it odd there are no black players front and center in that Brooks add? Wasn’t that Pirates team the first with an all black starting line-up?

    Like the NHL hats, but would love to see a Whalers hat![/quote]

    Madlock wore Converse cleats, and Pops wore Pony. Most of the photos I have seen of Parker he is wearing Pony, but there are a few including a SI cover where he was wearing Brooks. Parker must have had a contract with Pony when the Brooks ad came out.

  • marc | August 5, 2008 at 2:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”283379″]Any one else find it odd there are no black players front and center in that Brooks add? Wasn’t that Pirates team the first with an all black starting line-up?[/quote]

    I don’t find it odd. The photo is of the bench and that’s where all the white players were.

    On another note, was there really turf in the Pirate dugout back then? Plus, is it just me or is that a non-Brooks shoe at the extreme right?

  • Marty Met | August 5, 2008 at 2:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”283486″][quote comment=”283483″][quote comment=”283482″][quote comment=”283478″][quote comment=”283477″]Is it just me, or do the Colts have a gray stripe inbetween the blue ones and a gray outline around the numbers, in this picture?

    http://sportsillustr...

    They do, indeed. There was a year (or two) when they had gray[/quote]

    we had a pretty good discussion on this back in…i wanna say…november 07…found some (i guess rare) pics of a game played in cincy with the colts sporting gray pants…bunch of folks found some good old pics…if i have some time i’ll try to track that down[/quote]

    Can see hip logo and silver/gray cast to pants on these cards…
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    much better than the short-lived blue pants[/quote]

    Those blue pants would have looked great with blue jerseys

  • Ricko | August 5, 2008 at 2:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”283488″][quote comment=”283379″]Any one else find it odd there are no black players front and center in that Brooks add? Wasn’t that Pirates team the first with an all black starting line-up?

    Like the NHL hats, but would love to see a Whalers hat![/quote]

    Madlock wore Converse cleats, and Pops wore Pony. Most of the photos I have seen of Parker he is wearing Pony, but there are a few including a SI cover where he was wearing Brooks. Parker must have had a contract with Pony when the Brooks ad came out.[/quote]

    Pops previously had worn adidas for years. Parker also wore adidas and spaulding, in addition to Brooks, during bumblebee era. But, yeah, I think during WS he was with Pony.

  • chance | August 5, 2008 at 2:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”283469″][quote comment=”283420″][quote]If you’re the NHL, why would you want to kick a city when it is already down?[/quote]

    because gary bettman is the commissioner?[/quote]
    Gary Bettman is a Bud Selig.[/quote]

    Nonsense. For all his faults, Selig has improved and grown the game. Bettman nearly killed his.

  • Kek | August 5, 2008 at 2:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”283489″][quote comment=”283379″]Any one else find it odd there are no black players front and center in that Brooks add? Wasn’t that Pirates team the first with an all black starting line-up?[/quote]

    I don’t find it odd. The photo is of the bench and that’s where all the white players were.

    On another note, was there really turf in the Pirate dugout back then? Plus, is it just me or is that a non-Brooks shoe at the extreme right?[/quote]
    Touche….although Phil Garner is in the shot.

    Upon further review…is this original comment even accurate? On the left of the photo, the guy with the hand on his shoulder. Isn’t that either Bill Robinson or Jim Bibby? Can’t find a photo of Bibby in Brooks, but here’s a shot of Robinson (albeit after 79 note the Pirates’ home white sans the stripes) http://www.post-gaze...

    I know it isn’t exactly front and center but I’m just curious now.

  • Flip | August 5, 2008 at 2:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”283429″]yeah…i know it’s a throwback, but nike also got it right with their VT unis

    better than this garbage
    I, too, like the new Syracuse uniforms. But I wasn’t offended by the no-white look. My hunch is that if the Orange had been successful in the no-white look, fans would have raved about it. But they weren’t.

    and marty…do you seriously like this, this, and this over this?[/quote]

  • Kek | August 5, 2008 at 2:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”283491″][quote comment=”283488″][quote comment=”283379″]Any one else find it odd there are no black players front and center in that Brooks add? Wasn’t that Pirates team the first with an all black starting line-up?

    Like the NHL hats, but would love to see a Whalers hat![/quote]

    Madlock wore Converse cleats, and Pops wore Pony. Most of the photos I have seen of Parker he is wearing Pony, but there are a few including a SI cover where he was wearing Brooks. Parker must have had a contract with Pony when the Brooks ad came out.[/quote]

    Pops previously had worn adidas for years. Parker also wore adidas and spaulding, in addition to Brooks, during bumblebee era. But, yeah, I think during WS he was with Pony.[/quote]
    I’ll check my DVDs when I get home, but I think there was a shot of Parker prior to Game 1 wearing a PONY t-shirt in the locker room.

  • Flip | August 5, 2008 at 2:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”283436″][quote comment=”283429″]yeah…i know it’s a throwback, but nike also got it right with their VT unis

    better than this garbage

    I, too, like the new Syracuse uniforms. But then, I wasn’t offended by the non-white look. My hunch is that if the Orange were successful in the no-whites, fans would have raved about the look. Alas, they weren’t.

    and marty…do you seriously like this, this, and this over this?[/quote]

    Yes.[/quote]

  • Tom | August 5, 2008 at 3:01 pm |

    You mean like all the brown in the Cleveland football uniforms?
    I was all set to say that the Browns’ nickname is in honor of Paul Brown rather than being based on the color, but apparently that’s a myth:

    http://en.wikipedia....

    It would be cool if the Joe Louis connection were true, and befitting a team that helped break pro football’s color barrier with Bill Willis and Marion Motley.

    For what it’s worth, no mention of the nickname here:

    http://www.profootba...

    Back on topic: I love the Ricko Files. Paul and Ricko, please keep ’em coming.

    I also like the absence-of-white Syracuse uniforms, because of the absence of white. But here’s an all-orange Orange uni:

    http://vault.sportsi...

  • Rick White in Cedar Park, TX | August 5, 2008 at 3:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”283492″][quote comment=”283469″][quote comment=”283420″][quote]If you’re the NHL, why would you want to kick a city when it is already down?[/quote]

    because gary bettman is the commissioner?[/quote]
    Gary Bettman is a Bud Selig.[/quote]

    Nonsense. For all his faults, Selig has improved and grown the game. Bettman nearly killed his.[/quote]

    I respectfully disagree. Bug Selig (I resisted the temptaiton to purposely misspell his name) has done nothing to help baseball. He has presided over; a tie all-star game, a horrible drug scandal, a World Series cancelling strike, a decision to award home field advantage in the World Series to the winner of the All-Star game, starting baseball (The American sport) overseas, and interleague play. All of these events have served to water down major league baseball, not increase it. Yes, maybe attendance has crept up in the last few years, but it should never have gone down. Bud Selig should never have been made commissioner (and remember, from 92 to 98 he was ‘acting’ commissioner). If any sport should be happy that Mr. Selig is running MLB, it should be the NFL. The NFL is better off because of Selig’s actions.

  • Rick White in Cedar Park, TX | August 5, 2008 at 3:11 pm |

    Now that I’ve given my above board assesment of Mr. Selig … I call him Butt Selig.

  • Tom | August 5, 2008 at 3:14 pm |

    Holy smokes. Is this is a great picture or what?
    It certainly is. But it’s either laziness or incompetence on someone’s part at SI.com, since that’s clearly Hornung at Notre Dame, and the gambling scandal, as it says right there in the accompanying text, happened when he was with the Packers.

    The SI Vault is a treasure trove, and the photo galleries are great, but I know how most people here fell about a lack of attention to detail.

  • Dane | August 5, 2008 at 3:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”283489″][quote comment=”283379″]
    On another note, was there really turf in the Pirate dugout back then? [/quote]

    Yes, specifically the turf for the end zone. To convert Three Rivers Stadium from baseball to football, the dugout structures would be removed, and the seats along the 1st and 3rd base lines (sections 1~26 and 56~81 in the diagram below) would be rolled over to become the 50-yard seats.

    Baseball seating chart:
    http://www.ballparks...

    Image of baseball configuration:
    http://www.ballparks...

    Image of football configuration (scroll down):
    http://www.itsalread...

  • AEPennypacker | August 5, 2008 at 3:15 pm |

    Game-used Seattle Pilots jersey from ’69 spring training’s up on eBay. Looks like it’s in wonderful shape, but that’s probably because it was Joe Schultz’s.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

  • Scott Bumb | August 5, 2008 at 3:17 pm |

    Prized Missouri freshman QB Blaine Gabbert has some spacing issues with his practice jersey…

    http://stltoday.myca...

    http://stltoday.myca...

  • Dane | August 5, 2008 at 3:17 pm |

    italics off?

  • Tom | August 5, 2008 at 3:17 pm |

    D’oh! Speaking of … that should read “how most people feel,” of course.

  • LI Phil | August 5, 2008 at 3:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”283500″][quote]Holy smokes. Is this is a great picture or what?[/quote]
    It certainly is. But it’s either laziness or incompetence on someone’s part at SI.com, since that’s clearly Hornung at Notre Dame, and the gambling scandal, as it says right there in the accompanying text, happened when he was with the Packers.

    The SI Vault is a treasure trove, and the photo galleries are great, but I know how most people here fell about a lack of attention to detail.[/quote]

    it’s also an intersquad scrimmage or practice, FWIW…still, a magnificent photo

  • Jet | August 5, 2008 at 3:22 pm |

    Between another Ricko installment and that Cubbies article, GREAT edition today!!! :)

    Jet

  • Tom | August 5, 2008 at 3:25 pm |

    it’s also an intersquad scrimmage or practice, FWIW…still, a magnificent photo
    Without a doubt, Phil. I rarely see such brilliant color in photos from the ’50s.

    It’s from spring practice in ’56. More here:

    http://vault.sportsi...

  • jesse | August 5, 2008 at 3:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”283464″][quote comment=”283444″][quote comment=”283436″][quote comment=”283429″]yeah…i know it’s a throwback, but nike also got it right with their VT unis

    better than this garbage

    and marty…do you seriously like this, this, and this over this?[/quote]

    Yes.[/quote]
    Boy, I’d guess you’ll be in the minority. I honestly think after tinkering around, they got this one right. I really think you need the white to bring out the orange against that dark of a shade of blue.[/quote]

    I’m with Marty. I don’t like the all-orange uniforms, but the blue jerseys and orange pants were seriously sharp. Very retro, very classy, and very nice. The new ones are okay – no real complaints – but they seem a bit too standard.[/quote]

    Isn’t it ironic that after tinkering around and getting it right, they have basically gone back to what they used to wear?

    http://www.suathleti.....%5C..%5C..%5C..%5C..%5Cimages/Football/2005%5C8%5C17%5CMcNabbOrangeBowlaction.jpg

  • DrBear | August 5, 2008 at 3:27 pm |

    [quote comment=\”283502\”]Game-used Seattle Pilots jersey from \’69 spring training\’s up on eBay. Looks like it\’s in wonderful shape, but that\’s probably because it was Joe Schultz\’s.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    According to this site, Schultz wore No. 3 in 1969 when this would have been used…

  • Jon | August 5, 2008 at 3:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”283466″][quote comment=”283460″][quote comment=”283455″][quote comment=”283449″][quote comment=”283364″]The Syracuse unis are real nice. Classy, sharp, no annoying piping. Nike did a really good job. Now if Under Armour could just make a decent jersey![/quote]

    Under Armour does make a decent jersey – Auburn

    http://www.waudradio...
    I’d probably put Auburn in the classic category that UA wouldn’t be allowed to get too creative. Similar to the untouchable schools that Nike deals with.[/quote]

    what exactly constitutes “untouchable” and why, then, are adidas, nike, UA, et. al. allowed to ‘tinker’ with the uniforms at all (obviously a stripe [ahem] here and there or a slight modification is one thing)…but…for example, the single orange sleeve on UF or VT…and all the godawful curves, horns and such…don’t these schools have any say in such matters? are nike/adidas/UA pumping soooooooooo much money into the programs that they can just have free reign?

    seems to me the uni manufacturers don’t really have all that much to gain by messing with a classic uni, and much more to lose…im sure nike is quite content making ‘classic’ usc unis…

    are the AD’s getting a dump truck full of benjamins to change things up?

    i suppose it has been ‘proven’ that a potential recruit will actually choose a school based on it’s affiliation and uniform…which in and of itself is sad…not that they would choose a school based on the education they might possibly receive (*laughs out loud at that statement*)

    i mean…and i guess im naive…it really is all about marketing…you own a classic uni, you won’t buy another, but if nike/adidas/UA changes your uni every year or two…well, then, i guess you need that new uni, right? i mean, how many ND jerseys can you really own?[/quote]
    well stated phil

    I think that’s a question that needs asked on a case-by-case basis. I have some roundabout contacts at Pitt. Maybe I can find out how their case worked. I know the school was instrumental in bringing the school back to PITT and away from PITTSBURGH but not sure of the design elements. But I’d to go back to the decision to move away from Pitt and changing the colors. They were nike for a few years but when those unis were introduced, they were Champion. What is the split between manufacturer and school marketing department? Also, with template designs, it almost like schools design to fit said templates.[/quote]

    longtime reader, first time post. but since im a Pitt student i figured id chime in.
    the changes to the Pitt designs, especially the color scheme and the notable move to “Pittsburgh” rather than “Pitt” coincided with the hiring of Steve Pederson as AD for the first time in 1996. the athletic department, and for that matter the school, was attempting to build a new identity around the “Pittsburgh” moniker. in all official dealings the school was referred to as “Pittsburgh.” the idea was to totally re-vamp the image of the school to make it more recognizable nationwide (they saw “Pitt” as being familiar only to the area immediately around pittsburgh). this was a case of the school and athletic department making the changes, not a company.

  • Marty Met | August 5, 2008 at 3:36 pm |

    I noticed that the Spurs banners all read NBA Champions not World Champions. Are the Celtics the only team than still puts up World Champion banners?

  • Kevin C. | August 5, 2008 at 3:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”283487″][quote comment=”283485″][quote comment=”283483″][quote comment=”283482″][quote comment=”283478″][quote comment=”283477″]Is it just me, or do the Colts have a gray stripe inbetween the blue ones and a gray outline around the numbers, in this picture?

    http://sportsillustr...

    They do, indeed. There was a year (or two) when they had gray[/quote]

    we had a pretty good discussion on this back in…i wanna say…november 07…found some (i guess rare) pics of a game played in cincy with the colts sporting gray pants…bunch of folks found some good old pics…if i have some time i’ll try to track that down[/quote]

    Can see hip logo and silver/gray cast to pants on these cards…
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    better look at Pagel…
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    Is anyone else wishing that the Colts would bring back the blue face masks Hell, I’d take the white face masks, but I hate the gray.

  • TD | August 5, 2008 at 3:36 pm |
  • jesse | August 5, 2008 at 3:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”283478″][quote comment=”283477″]Is it just me, or do the Colts have a gray stripe inbetween the blue ones and a gray outline around the numbers, in this picture?

    http://sportsillustr...

    They do, indeed. There was a year (or two) when they had gray[/quote]

    Is it just me or does quarterback have a grey stripe but the offensive lineman doesn’t?

  • Ricko | August 5, 2008 at 3:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”283497″]You mean like all the brown in the Cleveland football uniforms?
    I was all set to say that the Browns’ nickname is in honor of Paul Brown rather than being based on the color, but apparently that’s a myth:

    http://en.wikipedia....

    It would be cool if the Joe Louis connection were true, and befitting a team that helped break pro football’s color barrier with Bill Willis and Marion Motley.

    For what it’s worth, no mention of the nickname here:

    http://www.profootba...

    Back on topic: I love the Ricko Files. Paul and Ricko, please keep ’em coming.

    I also like the absence-of-white Syracuse uniforms, because of the absence of white. But here’s an all-orange Orange uni:

    http://vault.sportsi...

    Fifty-some years of following pro football and this the first I’ve heard of the Joe Louis connection, or anything other than the Browns being named after Paul Brown.

    One criterion for historial research is to put more stock in a source if it is closer to the actual event. Chroniclers of pro football during the 40s, 50s and 60s pretty much hold to the “named after Paul Brown” story. Hard to believe the team being named partially to honor Joe Louis would have escaped notice until 1997 (date of the book the Wikipedia article quotes as its source).

    Not saying is a lie. Just saying I’ll stay in the “skeptical” column until someone unearths clippings from the Plain Dealer or other contemporary source regarding those “name the team” contests.

    Times were different in 1946. A new team might easily name itself after their successful coach, esp. if he was their biggest drawing card…and his name actually would be a reasonable nickname. Happened a lot in early baseball (weren’t there Brooklyn Robins, or something, named after a manager named Robinson?). Plus, at the time the “Browns” were still in St. Louis, so it likely didn’t sound all that odd.

  • Nick | August 5, 2008 at 3:41 pm |

    I was looking on mlb.com for retro hats today, and I found an interesting style of hat that I haven’t seen before. They’re called “retro logo pastime” hats by American Needle, and they feature obscure logos from most of the major league teams. Here’s the rundown: link

    I thought that this one was the most unique and this one was the one I’d most like to buy even though I’m an A’s fan.

  • Matt | August 5, 2008 at 3:42 pm |

    The St Louis Cardinals have 85 retired in honor of longtime owner August Busch. On the outfield wall show retired numbers, they also have an old-fashioned STL logo in honor of Rogers Hornsby (he played/managed before the advent of uni numbers), and a microphone for Jack Buck.

  • Nick | August 5, 2008 at 3:46 pm |

    sorry, http://www.dicksspor... is the one that’s most unique

    and
    http://www.dicksspor... is the one that I would buy

  • Jon | August 5, 2008 at 3:46 pm |

    oh and while im on Pitt, sources in the school bookstore say we’ve gotten rid of the “otter” secondary logo

    http://content.answe...

    and reverted to the “dinocat” secondary logo

    http://media.scout.c...

    (just the head, not the “Pittsburgh”)

    adn this is corroborated by the football team’s pants on media day

    http://www.post-gaze...

    (sorry for the small logo on the last pic but thats the best i can do. and sorry for the links… i have no idea how to do them, so just copy and paste)

  • Ricko | August 5, 2008 at 3:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”283510″][quote comment=\”283502\”]Game-used Seattle Pilots jersey from \’69 spring training\’s up on eBay. Looks like it\’s in wonderful shape, but that\’s probably because it was Joe Schultz\’s.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    According to this site, Schultz wore No. 3 in 1969 when this would have been used…[/quote]

    Also in good shape cuz that Pilots uniform never got beyond spring training of ’69.

  • Stuby | August 5, 2008 at 3:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”283514″]2009 All Star Game Logo Unveiled (St. Louis)[/quote]
    That’s pretty ordinary.

  • LI Phil | August 5, 2008 at 3:51 pm |

    sport magazine cover of hornung at ND…

    and i’ll bet ricko remembers when the NFL used the white ball

  • Jim | August 5, 2008 at 3:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”283522″][quote comment=”283514″]2009 All Star Game Logo Unveiled (St. Louis)[/quote]
    That’s pretty ordinary.[/quote]

    I have never been a fan when logos break up the year like that. Don’t know why, just looks really weird to me.

  • chance | August 5, 2008 at 4:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”283498″][quote comment=”283492″][quote comment=”283469″][quote comment=”283420″][quote]If you’re the NHL, why would you want to kick a city when it is already down?[/quote]

    because gary bettman is the commissioner?[/quote]
    Gary Bettman is a Bud Selig.[/quote]

    Nonsense. For all his faults, Selig has improved and grown the game. Bettman nearly killed his.[/quote]

    I respectfully disagree. Bug Selig (I resisted the temptaiton to purposely misspell his name) has done nothing to help baseball. He has presided over; a tie all-star game, a horrible drug scandal, a World Series cancelling strike, a decision to award home field advantage in the World Series to the winner of the All-Star game, starting baseball (The American sport) overseas, and interleague play. All of these events have served to water down major league baseball, not increase it. Yes, maybe attendance has crept up in the last few years, but it should never have gone down. Bud Selig should never have been made commissioner (and remember, from 92 to 98 he was ‘acting’ commissioner). If any sport should be happy that Mr. Selig is running MLB, it should be the NFL. The NFL is better off because of Selig’s actions.[/quote]

    Cannot agree.

    I was opposed to Interleague play, but I was wrong. It helps more teams than it hurts, if it can even be considered to hurt anything.

    The Wild Card is an unqualified success. A monster success. The last month of the 2007 season was one of the most exciting ever, with more meaningful games in the last week than ever before. Again, I was wrong.

    Giving home-field advantage to the ASG winner has brought me back to watching the game, after a decade of not giving a damn. Net plus. Besides, it’s tough to complain about giving the outcome of the game weight and about having a tie when the outcome was meaningless.

    I’d like to see them adopt more meaningful revenue sharing, but I also can’t dispute that what Bud has put into place has benefitted the game, making more teams competitive.

    I understand the dislike for Selig. He’s a car dealer, an unattractive man with an annoying voice. But after a rough start as Commish, he’s done wonders for the game, and I’m not ashamed to say that I was dead wrong about him.

  • Tom | August 5, 2008 at 4:04 pm |

    Not saying is a lie. Just saying I’ll stay in the “skeptical” column until someone unearths clippings from the Plain Dealer or other contemporary source regarding those “name the team” contests.
    I hear you, Ricko. Citing a source doesn’t necessarily validate the assertion.

    I have this great book, “The Scrapbook History of Pro Football,” published by Bobbs-Merrill in 1979. It’s comprised entirely of nexy-day’s-newspaper clippings, including from the Plain Dealer. Just not on this topic:

    From an Associated Press article dated Feb. 8, 1945: “Paul Brown … today signed a five-year contract as head coach and general manager of the Cleveland professional team in the new All-America Conference.”

    The next Cleveland clipping in the book is from the Plain Dealer, byline John Dietrich, dateline “Bowling Green, O.,” dated Aug. 8, 1946: “The Cleveland Browns of the All-America Conference revealed today that they have added a second great Negro football player for a tryout in the professional ranks. The newcomer is Marion Motley …”

    (ellipses by me)

  • Ricko | August 5, 2008 at 4:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”283523″]sport magazine cover of hornung at ND…

    and i’ll bet ricko remembers when the NFL used the white ball[/quote]

    Truth? Have vague recollection of seeing it, but probably was in a newsreel at a movie theater back in early 50s’s. Remember my dad telling me they used the white ball cuz was easier to see under the lights for night games. And it WAS easier to see, on the newsreels anyway. Looked like it was the size a beachball and about as round.

    Certainly never saw it on TV.

    We always kinda followed pro football cuz of the 49ers. There was a sort of Minnesota pipeline to the Niners back then. My uncle was a U of Minnesota football letterman, so he knew guys like Leo Nomellini and Gordy Soltau…which was a pretty cool thing for me as a six-year-old.

  • Greg V. | August 5, 2008 at 4:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”283515″][quote comment=”283478″][quote comment=”283477″]Is it just me, or do the Colts have a gray stripe inbetween the blue ones and a gray outline around the numbers, in this picture?

    http://sportsillustr...

    They do, indeed. There was a year (or two) when they had gray[/quote]

    Is it just me or does quarterback have a grey stripe but the offensive lineman doesn’t?[/quote]

    I thought the QB’s “grey stripe” looked more like the different material in the stripes was picking up the shadow differently. The shiny pants still look white, but the more matte stripes look grey.

  • Greg V. | August 5, 2008 at 4:08 pm |

    Definitely looks like grey outlining the numbers though, so I don’t know…

  • Rick White in Cedar Park, TX | August 5, 2008 at 4:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”283525″][quote comment=”283498″][quote comment=”283492″][quote comment=”283469″][quote comment=”283420″][quote]If you’re the NHL, why would you want to kick a city when it is already down?[/quote]

    because gary bettman is the commissioner?[/quote]
    Gary Bettman is a Bud Selig.[/quote]

    Nonsense. For all his faults, Selig has improved and grown the game. Bettman nearly killed his.[/quote]

    I respectfully disagree. Bug Selig (I resisted the temptaiton to purposely misspell his name) has done nothing to help baseball. He has presided over; a tie all-star game, a horrible drug scandal, a World Series cancelling strike, a decision to award home field advantage in the World Series to the winner of the All-Star game, starting baseball (The American sport) overseas, and interleague play. All of these events have served to water down major league baseball, not increase it. Yes, maybe attendance has crept up in the last few years, but it should never have gone down. Bud Selig should never have been made commissioner (and remember, from 92 to 98 he was ‘acting’ commissioner). If any sport should be happy that Mr. Selig is running MLB, it should be the NFL. The NFL is better off because of Selig’s actions.[/quote]

    Cannot agree.

    I was opposed to Interleague play, but I was wrong. It helps more teams than it hurts, if it can even be considered to hurt anything.

    The Wild Card is an unqualified success. A monster success. The last month of the 2007 season was one of the most exciting ever, with more meaningful games in the last week than ever before. Again, I was wrong.

    Giving home-field advantage to the ASG winner has brought me back to watching the game, after a decade of not giving a damn. Net plus. Besides, it’s tough to complain about giving the outcome of the game weight and about having a tie when the outcome was meaningless.

    I’d like to see them adopt more meaningful revenue sharing, but I also can’t dispute that what Bud has put into place has benefitted the game, making more teams competitive.

    I understand the dislike for Selig. He’s a car dealer, an unattractive man with an annoying voice. But after a rough start as Commish, he’s done wonders for the game, and I’m not ashamed to say that I was dead wrong about him.[/quote]

    Well … and here’s the important thing … we can disagree without becoming enemies, without calling each other names. Thanks for sharing your views sir.

    Have fun chance!

  • Ricko | August 5, 2008 at 4:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”283528″][quote comment=”283515″][quote comment=”283478″][quote comment=”283477″]Is it just me, or do the Colts have a gray stripe inbetween the blue ones and a gray outline around the numbers, in this picture?

    http://sportsillustr...

    They do, indeed. There was a year (or two) when they had gray[/quote]

    Is it just me or does quarterback have a grey stripe but the offensive lineman doesn’t?[/quote]

    I thought the QB’s “grey stripe” looked more like the different material in the stripes was picking up the shadow differently. The shiny pants still look white, but the more matte stripes look grey.[/quote]

    Nope. Centerstripe on loops and pants and edge on numbers on white unis WAS gray. Silver/Gray pants with the Royal jerseys. For that one year only, apparently. Good thing, too. Just wasn’t the Colts.

  • Ricko | August 5, 2008 at 4:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”283531″][quote comment=”283528″][quote comment=”283515″][quote comment=”283478″][quote comment=”283477″]Is it just me, or do the Colts have a gray stripe inbetween the blue ones and a gray outline around the numbers, in this picture?

    http://sportsillustr...

    They do, indeed. There was a year (or two) when they had gray[/quote]

    Is it just me or does quarterback have a grey stripe but the offensive lineman doesn’t?[/quote]

    I thought the QB’s “grey stripe” looked more like the different material in the stripes was picking up the shadow differently. The shiny pants still look white, but the more matte stripes look grey.[/quote]

    Nope. Centerstripe on loops and pants and edge on numbers on white unis WAS gray. Silver/Gray pants with the Royal jerseys. For that one year only, apparently. Good thing, too. Just wasn’t the Colts.[/quote]

    white pants with gray centerstripe, that’s what I meant…with white jsereys.

  • scott | August 5, 2008 at 4:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”283522″][quote comment=”283514″]2009 All Star Game Logo Unveiled (St. Louis)[/quote]
    That’s pretty ordinary.[/quote]

    My reaction, too. I would have liked to see both birds in the logo, as well as some characteristic of the stadium as has become common in ASG logos (the Green Monster, the Yankee Stadium frieze, etc.)

  • Geeman | August 5, 2008 at 4:26 pm |

    Found it!

    Google “88 score reggie” and you will see Reggie Jackson on a 1976 Orioles card. This is finally the definitive proof I was looking for on whether the Orioles wore an orange-front helmet with the orange-front capt in 1975-76. It appears they did not.

    Sorry I can’t post the picture, but the capability eludes me right now. If someone could, that would be great.

  • Mike Engle | August 5, 2008 at 4:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”283534″]Found it!

    Google “88 score reggie” and you will see Reggie Jackson on a 1976 Orioles card. This is finally the definitive proof I was looking for on whether the Orioles wore an orange-front helmet with the orange-front capt in 1975-76. It appears they did not.

    Sorry I can’t post the picture, but the capability eludes me right now. If someone could, that would be great.[/quote]
    I got your back.

  • Geeman | August 5, 2008 at 4:40 pm |

    Thanks, Mike.

  • Geeman | August 5, 2008 at 4:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”283535″][quote comment=”283534″]Found it!

    Google “88 score reggie” and you will see Reggie Jackson on a 1976 Orioles card. This is finally the definitive proof I was looking for on whether the Orioles wore an orange-front helmet with the orange-front capt in 1975-76. It appears they did not.

    Sorry I can’t post the picture, but the capability eludes me right now. If someone could, that would be great.[/quote]
    I got your back.[/quote]

    The other interesting thing is that Reggie played for Oakland in ’75 and wasn’t traded till early ’76, so you’d think his ’76 card would be with the A’s. I have a ’76 Topps card with him on the A’s and a ’77 Yankees card, but no O’s card.

    Anyway, this answers a long-burning question for me.

  • James Craven | August 5, 2008 at 4:45 pm |

    All Star Game Logo for 2K9:

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…

  • Ricko | August 5, 2008 at 4:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”283537″][quote comment=”283535″][quote comment=”283534″]Found it!

    Google “88 score reggie” and you will see Reggie Jackson on a 1976 Orioles card. This is finally the definitive proof I was looking for on whether the Orioles wore an orange-front helmet with the orange-front capt in 1975-76. It appears they did not.

    Sorry I can’t post the picture, but the capability eludes me right now. If someone could, that would be great.[/quote]
    I got your back.[/quote]

    The other interesting thing is that Reggie played for Oakland in ’75 and wasn’t traded till early ’76, so you’d think his ’76 card would be with the A’s. I have a ’76 Topps card with him on the A’s and a ’77 Yankees card, but no O’s card.

    Anyway, this answers a long-burning question for me.[/quote]

    (Old Guy sits back).
    “Toldya so,” he mutters. “Ain’t no fancy-orange-front-panel-alternative Orioles battin’ helmet woulda got by me. No, sir.”
    (returns to his whittling. Spits.)

  • Dan | August 5, 2008 at 5:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”283456″][quote comment=”283455″][quote comment=”283449″][quote comment=”283364″]The Syracuse unis are real nice. Classy, sharp, no annoying piping. Nike did a really good job. Now if Under Armour could just make a decent jersey![/quote]

    Under Armour does make a decent jersey – Auburn

    http://www.waudradio...
    I’d probably put Auburn in the classic category that UA wouldn’t be allowed to get too creative. Similar to the untouchable schools that Nike deals with.[/quote]

    As a Gator fan I worry about Nike tinkering. I don’t love the cursive “Gators” on the helmet and it’s only thirty years old, but I’d hate to see it go. The current blue jersies only date back to 1990 and Steve Spurrier’s arrival (though some tinkering with the stripes happened when the team moved from Starter to Nike so that they would match the helmet stripe). The team wore an orange sleeve for one game and has tinkered with the monochrome blue look under Meyer. Seems to me a pretty modest history to pin the “classic” label on yet Nike has been mostly hands off. Though I’m biased towards the orange jersies the team wore in my youth, I’d settle for the current get up if they’d just stick with the blue jersey/white pants set up and switch back to the white jersey/orange pants set up.[/quote]

    I’m not a big fan of the “Gators” scrypt either. “Florida” in that same scrypt would look great. As for uniforms, not the best, but not too bad either. All blue is great, and white jerseys with orange pants is the best road look.

  • LI Phil | August 5, 2008 at 5:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”283539″](Old Guy sits back).
    “Toldya so,” he mutters. “Ain’t no fancy-orange-front-panel-alternative Orioles battin’ helmet woulda got by me. No, sir.”
    (returns to his whittling. Spits.)[/quote]

    and says…

  • Maks | August 5, 2008 at 5:17 pm |

    2009 All Star Game Logo Unveiled (St. Louis)

    That’s pretty ordinary.

    My reaction, too. I would have liked to see both birds in the logo, as well as some characteristic of the stadium as has become common in ASG logos (the Green Monster, the Yankee Stadium frieze, etc.)

    and its All-STARS, no? not All-Cardinals…

  • Bob Andrews | August 5, 2008 at 5:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”283537″][quote comment=”283535″][quote comment=”283534″]Found it!

    Google “88 score reggie” and you will see Reggie Jackson on a 1976 Orioles card. This is finally the definitive proof I was looking for on whether the Orioles wore an orange-front helmet with the orange-front capt in 1975-76. It appears they did not.

    Sorry I can’t post the picture, but the capability eludes me right now. If someone could, that would be great.[/quote]
    I got your back.[/quote]

    The other interesting thing is that Reggie played for Oakland in ’75 and wasn’t traded till early ’76, so you’d think his ’76 card would be with the A’s. I have a ’76 Topps card with him on the A’s and a ’77 Yankees card, but no O’s card.

    Anyway, this answers a long-burning question for me.[/quote]

    Thats a 1988 Score that is depicting Reggie in 1976. Part of a special subset. Score didn’t exist as a card company in 1976. Doesn’t change the fact contained in the picture though.

  • LI Phil | August 5, 2008 at 5:25 pm |

    ya know…

    that SI shot of paul hornung, along with this thing of beauty…plus the sport cover and a few other shots i found of ND back in the 1950’s…leads me to this question…

    was the ‘cross’ on the ND helmet intentional and did any other schools (or pro teams) have this?

    anyone know?…never saw that before and im wondering if it was cowinkidink or purposeful…

  • Dan | August 5, 2008 at 5:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”283409″][quote comment=”283396″][quote comment=”283387″][quote comment=”283378″][quote comment=”283364″]The Syracuse unis are real nice. Classy, sharp, no annoying piping. Nike did a really good job. Now if Under Armour could just make a decent jersey![/quote]
    I agree. Didn’t someone on here say that Nike won’t put stripes on a uniform? Those sure look like stripes on the pants to me.[/quote]

    The stripes( braiding?) down the length of the ‘Cuse pants is an accepted element.

    What Adidas does by randomly placing their three stripes wantonly across their garments is needless.

    Although, I often refer back to this pic when debating the Nike “o-Stripes” rule, especially considering what team is wearing them:

    http://cache.daylife...
    Fair enough, I was just making the point because as I recall, a statement was made something like

    you won’t see anything that looks like a stripe on a nike uni.[/quote]

    Believe me, Kek…I am in your camp when it comes to both Nike initatives as well as “Logo Creep”!

    I think UA is WAY more blatant, watch “Friday Night Lights” or “The GridIron Gang” and you will see it firsthand!

    However, I can understand this tactic as a fledgling company trying to put their brand out there, I do not like it, except for the MAryland football and Lax unis, although I LOVED their old Nike kits![/quote]

    Under Armor hasn’t done a bad job with college football uniforms. Texas Tech’s are pretty cool. Maryland, who made Under Armor famous in NCAA, has some good designs. Under Armor can do stripes and piping without looking hideous, unlike Nike.

  • Dan | August 5, 2008 at 5:31 pm |

    Looks like toy makers are taking notice to recent NFL trends (shoes and socks).

    Kyle Boller

  • James Craven | August 5, 2008 at 5:32 pm |

    The Las Vegas PCL team won’t be called the 51’s after this season.

    i know what you’re thinking:

    “Las Vegas has a Pacific Coast League team?”

  • Tom | August 5, 2008 at 5:33 pm |

    For the record, the Orlando Magic had a “6” banner with “the fans” in the nameplate hanging from the rafters. the significance, they made the finals in 1995, 6 years after their inception. retired or not? not sure.

  • MPowers1634 | August 5, 2008 at 5:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”283541″][quote comment=”283539″](Old Guy sits back).
    “Toldya so,” he mutters. “Ain’t no fancy-orange-front-panel-alternative Orioles battin’ helmet woulda got by me. No, sir.”
    (returns to his whittling. Spits.)[/quote]

    and says…[/quote]

    Absolutely perfect setup !!!

  • Ricko | August 5, 2008 at 5:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”283546″]Looks like toy makers are taking notice to recent NFL trends (shoes and socks).

    Kyle Boller[/quote]

    Quarterback as dark knight.
    Ah, yes, the line between video game make believe and sports reality continues to blur.

  • Brian | August 5, 2008 at 5:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”283430″][quote comment=”283397″][quote comment=\”283386\”][quote comment=\”283367\”]There are other stupid number retirements out there…maybe not for a TV station…like 454 in cleveland…613 in the Garden, 85 in St Louis…[/quote]

    The one that bugs me is when new teams retire #1 for the \’Fans\’ or something like that. Seems like its the new teams streaching for some history.

    When I was in Philly for a PHI/NYR game I noticed they had retired numbers for Billy Joel and someone else I think for the number of sellout concerts. Thought that was kind of stupid too….[/quote]

    The other one is Springsteen. They’re not actually retired numbers, just the number of sellouts those guys have had. They update those banners every so often.[/quote]
    At Madison Square Garden they have a Billy Joel 12 banner (12 straight sold out shows a few years ago) and an Elton John 60 banner because Elton celebrated b-day number 60 by playing MSG.[/quote]
    The Elton 60 is for Elton playing 60 sold out shows at the Garden. The 60th show and banner raising was held on his 60th birthday, but the number of shows was the reason. Billy Joel also has one in the arena in Albany as well.
    I have no problem with teams hanging banners to honor important people/events in their franchises.

  • Geeman | August 5, 2008 at 5:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”283539″][quote comment=”283537″][quote comment=”283535″][quote comment=”283534″]Found it!

    Google “88 score reggie” and you will see Reggie Jackson on a 1976 Orioles card. This is finally the definitive proof I was looking for on whether the Orioles wore an orange-front helmet with the orange-front capt in 1975-76. It appears they did not.

    Sorry I can’t post the picture, but the capability eludes me right now. If someone could, that would be great.[/quote]
    I got your back.[/quote]

    The other interesting thing is that Reggie played for Oakland in ’75 and wasn’t traded till early ’76, so you’d think his ’76 card would be with the A’s. I have a ’76 Topps card with him on the A’s and a ’77 Yankees card, but no O’s card.

    Anyway, this answers a long-burning question for me.[/quote]

    (Old Guy sits back).
    “Toldya so,” he mutters. “Ain’t no fancy-orange-front-panel-alternative Orioles battin’ helmet woulda got by me. No, sir.”
    (returns to his whittling. Spits.)[/quote]
    LOL! You are the Dean, Ricko. They definitely had the hat (I had one as a kid), but my memory failed me on the helmet. I never saw one for sure, just assumed they had one. Still a cool cap. You’d think teams would tie their helmets to their hats. The O’s have 3 hats, but 1 helmet. Other teams match theirs (A’s, Tribe, Tigers, etc.).

  • MPowers1634 | August 5, 2008 at 6:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”283415″][quote comment=”283373″]Here is an article about a modern baseball team playing by the Civil War era rules. There is a lot of talk of their custom made uniforms.

    “As players sign on, the team will order more of the replica woolen uniforms, designed to reflect what the Civil War-era players wore. Each uniform costs about $250 and takes at least 12 weeks to make.”

    http://www.baltimore...

    Do I detect a swoosh on the shoes of the Civil War era uniform? A similar photo in Newsday on Monday (no online photos) after a weekend old time baseball tournament on Long Island clearly showed one player wearing the swoosh.

    I believe it was Grant and Phil Knight at Gettysburg.[/quote]

    Ask Ricko, he was there also…and he probably has newspaper clippings to prove it!

  • Kek | August 5, 2008 at 6:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”283537″][quote comment=”283535″][quote comment=”283534″]Found it!

    Google “88 score reggie” and you will see Reggie Jackson on a 1976 Orioles card. This is finally the definitive proof I was looking for on whether the Orioles wore an orange-front helmet with the orange-front capt in 1975-76. It appears they did not.

    Sorry I can’t post the picture, but the capability eludes me right now. If someone could, that would be great.[/quote]
    I got your back.[/quote]

    The other interesting thing is that Reggie played for Oakland in ’75 and wasn’t traded till early ’76, so you’d think his ’76 card would be with the A’s. I have a ’76 Topps card with him on the A’s and a ’77 Yankees card, but no O’s card.

    Anyway, this answers a long-burning question for me.[/quote]
    Would this be the same thing with Goose Gossage and the Pirates? Since he only played one year in Pittsburgh I don’t think there is a topps card of him in a Pirate uni but I could be wrong.

  • Coach Mac | August 5, 2008 at 6:11 pm |

    ‘Cuse unveiled new helmets as well:

    http://blog.syracuse...

  • sonofsokol | August 5, 2008 at 6:18 pm |

    Some interesting jersey concepts on icethetics…I thought Paul might like the third one down….wow
    http://icethetics.bl...

  • MPowers1634 | August 5, 2008 at 6:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”283555″]’Cuse unveiled new helmets as well:

    http://blog.syracuse...

    Riddell Revolutions need to go the way of the dodo!

    The Schutt DNA looks so much better!
    http://photos.oregon...

    http://photos.oregon...

  • Shane | August 5, 2008 at 6:33 pm |

    According to the little scrolling bar on Sky Sports News the other night, West Ham United of the English Premier League are retiring the #6 shirt this season in honor of Bobby Moore

    Matthew Upson currently wears 6, and will be switching to 15.

    http://www.whufc.com...,,12562~1357842,00.html

  • Chris | August 5, 2008 at 6:52 pm |

    I am glad that others dislike Bud Selig, but some things are being overlooked. Bud Selig’s tenure as commissioner has damaged the game. By introducing the wild card system, it devalued the winning of a division. The introduction of interleague play, though with some benefits, demeans the World Series and All-Star Game, as those used to be the only places where the two leagues would meet. That feature made baseball even more unique, the fact that the two different leagues only met a maximum of eight times in a season was different, as compared to other sports. Lastly, to base home field advantage for the World Series on an exhibition game is ridiculous. It is just that an exhibition game, the team with the better record should have home field advantage, as a reward for doing well during the regular season.

  • Paul Lukas | August 5, 2008 at 6:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”283560″]to base home field advantage for the World Series on an exhibition game is ridiculous. It is just that an exhibition game…[/quote]

    And here’s something I’ve NEVER seen anyone else mention: The team with home-field advantage in the All-Star Game has a big advantage. That was evident this year, as the American League won in “walk-off” fashion. And how is ASG home field determined? It alternates every year. Just like the World Series home field used to do. I never saw anything wrong with that system, and I still don’t.

  • James Craven | August 5, 2008 at 7:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”283541″][quote comment=”283539″](Old Guy sits back).
    “‘Toldya so,’ he mutters. ‘Ain’t no fancy-orange-front-panel-alternative Orioles battin’ helmet woulda got by me. No, sir.'”
    (returns to his whittling. Spits.)
    [/quote]

    “And says…”[/quote]

    Um, Philip, remember that chat that Paul e-mailed us about that “get off the damn lawn” statement? And the comment before that you made to me that scowling cats weren’t funny?

  • James Craven | August 5, 2008 at 7:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”283555″]“‘Cuse unveiled new helmets as well:”

    http://blog.syracuse...

    Take the fucking “S” off it and it’s perfect. Robinson fucked that helmet up royally when he became coach.

  • Brian | August 5, 2008 at 7:30 pm |

    While I have many problems with Bud Selig, anyone who thinks that the Wild Card has been anything but GREAT for baseball is out of touch with reality IMO.

  • Matt K. | August 5, 2008 at 7:31 pm |

    http://www.stltoday....

    2009 All Star Game Logo

  • Taylor | August 5, 2008 at 7:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”283449″][quote comment=”283364″]The Syracuse unis are real nice. Classy, sharp, no annoying piping. Nike did a really good job. Now if Under Armour could just make a decent jersey![/quote]

    Under Armour does make a decent jersey – Auburn

    http://www.waudradio...

    But UA didn’t *design* the Auburn jerseys, just like adidas didn’t design Indiana or UCLA bball jerseys or how Nike didn’t design the Penn St. jerseys.

  • Wayne | August 5, 2008 at 7:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”283514″]2009 All Star Game Logo Unveiled (St. Louis)[/quote]

    I like it. I’m probably a little biased though because I’m a Cardinals fan, but honestly I think it’s a nice, clean logo that utilizes the city and team logo well.

  • Jonee | August 5, 2008 at 8:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”283563″][quote comment=”283555″]“‘Cuse unveiled new helmets as well:”

    http://blog.syracuse...

    Take the fucking “S” off it and it’s perfect. Robinson fucked that helmet up royally when he became coach.[/quote]

    Amen

  • Brian | August 5, 2008 at 8:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”283565″]http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/bird-land/bird-land/2008/08/the-all-star-logo-unveiled/

    2009 All Star Game Logo[/quote]
    I don’t hate it the way some others here to, but it is a little bland.
    Not as good as this year’s, and I’m really not letting Yankee bias get involved here.

  • James Craven | August 5, 2008 at 8:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”283565″]http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/bird-land/bird-land/2008/08/the-all-star-logo-unveiled/

    “2009 All Star Game Logo.”[/quote]

    Mentioned already much?

  • Brian | August 5, 2008 at 8:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”283561″][quote comment=”283560″]to base home field advantage for the World Series on an exhibition game is ridiculous. It is just that an exhibition game…[/quote]

    And here’s something I’ve NEVER seen anyone else mention: The team with home-field advantage in the All-Star Game has a big advantage. That was evident this year, as the American League won in “walk-off” fashion. And how is ASG home field determined? It alternates every year. Just like the World Series home field used to do. I never saw anything wrong with that system, and I still don’t.[/quote]
    Agreed.
    Hell some years they don’t even alternate it.
    See 06 and 07.

  • dwight | August 5, 2008 at 8:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”283569″][quote comment=”283565″]http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/bird-land/bird-land/2008/08/the-all-star-logo-unveiled/

    2009 All Star Game Logo[/quote]
    I don’t hate it the way some others here to, but it is a little bland.
    Not as good as this year’s, and I’m really not letting Yankee bias get involved here.[/quote]

    I like it – you KNEW the Arch would be the focal point, and the script writing should be loved by all here, rather than the block type that is typically used. don’t like the split year, but thumbs up overall.

  • Brian | August 5, 2008 at 8:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”283572″][quote comment=”283569″][quote comment=”283565″]http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/bird-land/bird-land/2008/08/the-all-star-logo-unveiled/

    2009 All Star Game Logo[/quote]
    I don’t hate it the way some others here to, but it is a little bland.
    Not as good as this year’s, and I’m really not letting Yankee bias get involved here.[/quote]

    I like it – you KNEW the Arch would be the focal point, and the script writing should be loved by all here, rather than the block type that is typically used. don’t like the split year, but thumbs up overall.[/quote]
    I’m not crazy about the placement of the bat and the bird.

  • Joe D | August 5, 2008 at 9:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”283571″][quote comment=”283561″][quote comment=”283560″]to base home field advantage for the World Series on an exhibition game is ridiculous. It is just that an exhibition game…[/quote]

    And here’s something I’ve NEVER seen anyone else mention: The team with home-field advantage in the All-Star Game has a big advantage. That was evident this year, as the American League won in “walk-off” fashion. And how is ASG home field determined? It alternates every year. Just like the World Series home field used to do. I never saw anything wrong with that system, and I still don’t.[/quote]
    Agreed.
    Hell some years they don’t even alternate it.
    See 06 and 07.[/quote]

    I’m pretty sure the National League got 06 and 07 because the Yankees REALLY wanted the All Star Game for the last season at Yankee Stadium and probably pulled some strings to break the tradition.

  • lwiedy | August 5, 2008 at 9:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”283521″][quote comment=”283510″][quote comment=\”283502\”]Game-used Seattle Pilots jersey from \’69 spring training\’s up on eBay. Looks like it\’s in wonderful shape, but that\’s probably because it was Joe Schultz\’s.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    According to this site, Schultz wore No. 3 in 1969 when this would have been used…[/quote]

    Also in good shape cuz that Pilots uniform never got beyond spring training of ’69.[/quote]

    Not real comfortable with the claim of GU. Check out the “O”.
    http://i256.photobuc...
    I’ve never seen one quite that narrow. Would like to see a photomatch if plunking down 2K. Be careful, depending on the angle (from the side) the shape can alter.

  • lwiedy | August 5, 2008 at 9:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”283575″][quote comment=”283521″][quote comment=”283510″][quote comment=\”283502\”]Game-used Seattle Pilots jersey from \’69 spring training\’s up on eBay. Looks like it\’s in wonderful shape, but that\’s probably because it was Joe Schultz\’s.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    According to this site, Schultz wore No. 3 in 1969 when this would have been used…[/quote]

    Also in good shape cuz that Pilots uniform never got beyond spring training of ’69.[/quote]

    Not real comfortable with the claim of GU. Check out the “O”.
    http://i256.photobuc...
    I’ve never seen one quite that narrow. Would like to see a photomatch if plunking down 2K. Be careful, depending on the angle (from the side) the shape can alter.[/quote]

    Right link:
    http://i256.photobuc...

  • Brian | August 5, 2008 at 9:04 pm |

    Sorry, hit “say it” before I could expand my point.
    I know its the Cards’ logo, but I think it would look a tad better with two birds, one on each side of the logo.

  • Ricko | August 5, 2008 at 9:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”283577″]Sorry, hit “say it” before I could expand my point.
    I know its the Cards’ logo, but I think it would look a tad better with two birds, one on each side of the logo.[/quote]

    Educated guess: Designer-speak probably will say something like, “Bird sharing bat with star symbolizes Cardinals sharing the experience with the All-Stars”…or something esoteric like that.

  • LI Phil | August 5, 2008 at 9:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”283561″][quote comment=”283560″]to base home field advantage for the World Series on an exhibition game is ridiculous. It is just that an exhibition game…[/quote]

    And here’s something I’ve NEVER seen anyone else mention: The team with home-field advantage in the All-Star Game has a big advantage. That was evident this year, as the American League won in “walk-off” fashion. And how is ASG home field determined? It alternates every year. Just like the World Series home field used to do. I never saw anything wrong with that system, and I still don’t.[/quote]

    while the traditionalist in me agrees with PL and our former system (alternating years)…i have always wondered why, after 105 years (give or take), MLB NEVER went to best overall record when determining home field

    i could see tradition working fine until 1969, when the division winner with the best record got home field…so why not extend that to the big dance?

    surely, in this day and age, we don’t need to know months ahead of time that games one and two will take place at _________(insert american or national) league winner…maybe in 1910 it did, when travel and tickets could be more problematic

    does anyone know why the WS home field always alternated between american and national? and why it was never changed? except for the nfl (super bowl only), every other league awards the privilege of home field to the team with the best record; and all playoffs go to the team with the better record (excluding, of course, and righly so, wild card teams)…so why did MLB never do it?

  • Coach Mac | August 5, 2008 at 9:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”283563″][quote comment=”283555″]“‘Cuse unveiled new helmets as well:”

    http://blog.syracuse...

    Take the fucking “S” off it and it’s perfect. Robinson fucked that helmet up royally when he became coach.[/quote]

    Coach Robinson had NOTHING to do with it. Blame Nike or the AD.

  • lwiedy | August 5, 2008 at 9:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”283579″][quote comment=”283561″][quote comment=”283560″]to base home field advantage for the World Series on an exhibition game is ridiculous. It is just that an exhibition game…[/quote]

    And here’s something I’ve NEVER seen anyone else mention: The team with home-field advantage in the All-Star Game has a big advantage. That was evident this year, as the American League won in “walk-off” fashion. And how is ASG home field determined? It alternates every year. Just like the World Series home field used to do. I never saw anything wrong with that system, and I still don’t.[/quote]

    while the traditionalist in me agrees with PL and our former system (alternating years)…i have always wondered why, after 105 years (give or take), MLB NEVER went to best overall record when determining home field

    i could see tradition working fine until 1969, when the division winner with the best record got home field…so why not extend that to the big dance?

    surely, in this day and age, we don’t need to know months ahead of time that games one and two will take place at _________(insert american or national) league winner…maybe in 1910 it did, when travel and tickets could be more problematic

    does anyone know why the WS home field always alternated between american and national? and why it was never changed? except for the nfl (super bowl only), every other league awards the privilege of home field to the team with the best record; and all playoffs go to the team with the better record (excluding, of course, and righly so, wild card teams)…so why did MLB never do it?[/quote]

    When divisional play began, it was helpful in preventing conflicting games on the west coast during the playoffs. No chance of two starting games on PT. Since that was a consideration for the playoffs, perhaps it would be conflicting to change the criteria for “next round” albeit the WS. I do know in the 80’s, MLB appreciated the fact that it reduced the accommodation possibilities by 50% although I doubt that would have been publically stated.

  • Carl | August 5, 2008 at 9:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”283381″]Marquette retired the No. 11 in basketball for the Apollo 11 moon flight. The team even wore the Apollo 11 patch on its warmup jackets for the 69-70 season. It also retired the number 38 in honor of the 38 years of service given by the late Robert Weingart as Marquette’s athletic trainer, and the number 77 to honor legendary head coach Al McGuire, who led the 1977 team to the NCAA Championship. (They’ve retired nine player numbers as well.)

    Oh, and a strange coincidence; my anti-spam word for this post was “space.”[/quote]

    …some of the quieter banter here relating to the retiring of numbers by franchises, especially the Marquette numbers got me thinking – how many teams have the same number retired for multiple people? That Marquette page has #31 retired for Bo Ellis and Doc Rivers. Any idea about this one?

  • lwiedy | August 5, 2008 at 9:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”283581″][quote comment=”283579″][quote comment=”283561″][quote comment=”283560″]to base home field advantage for the World Series on an exhibition game is ridiculous. It is just that an exhibition game…[/quote]

    And here’s something I’ve NEVER seen anyone else mention: The team with home-field advantage in the All-Star Game has a big advantage. That was evident this year, as the American League won in “walk-off” fashion. And how is ASG home field determined? It alternates every year. Just like the World Series home field used to do. I never saw anything wrong with that system, and I still don’t.[/quote]

    while the traditionalist in me agrees with PL and our former system (alternating years)…i have always wondered why, after 105 years (give or take), MLB NEVER went to best overall record when determining home field

    i could see tradition working fine until 1969, when the division winner with the best record got home field…so why not extend that to the big dance?

    surely, in this day and age, we don’t need to know months ahead of time that games one and two will take place at _________(insert american or national) league winner…maybe in 1910 it did, when travel and tickets could be more problematic

    does anyone know why the WS home field always alternated between american and national? and why it was never changed? except for the nfl (super bowl only), every other league awards the privilege of home field to the team with the best record; and all playoffs go to the team with the better record (excluding, of course, and righly so, wild card teams)…so why did MLB never do it?[/quote]

    When divisional play began, it was helpful in preventing conflicting games on the west coast during the playoffs. No chance of two starting games on PT. Since that was a consideration for the playoffs, perhaps it would be conflicting to change the criteria for “next round” albeit the WS. I do know in the 80’s, MLB appreciated the fact that it reduced the accommodation possibilities by 50% although I doubt that would have been publically stated.[/quote]

    I’ve often wondered what the NFL would have done when the conference championships were pretty much locked down to 1 & 4 pm ET what they would have done say the 49ers & Raiders had homefield in the championship game. I don’t know how the networks would have liked losing their Sunday night programming. Remember, MNF was born because ABC couldn’t do anything on Monday night. The other alternative would have been a 10 kickoff.

  • Dan | August 5, 2008 at 9:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”283580″][quote comment=”283563″][quote comment=”283555″]“‘Cuse unveiled new helmets as well:”

    http://blog.syracuse...

    Take the fucking “S” off it and it’s perfect. Robinson fucked that helmet up royally when he became coach.[/quote]

    Coach Robinson had NOTHING to do with it. Blame Nike or the AD.[/quote]

    Blank helmets are just ok. The numbered helmets still remain one of my favorite helmets of all time, even if they were only worn for two years.

  • Nick | August 5, 2008 at 9:49 pm |

    here’s a picture of a Roger Cedano 2000 spring training Astros hat with a melancholy “Mom RIP” underbrim text. Got it from about halfway down on this site.

  • LI Phil | August 5, 2008 at 9:51 pm |

    larry…i’m a little slow tonight

    could you explain that to me again, maybe using smaller words? i don’t follow what you mean about 2 PST games…until the expanded playoffs (8 teams)…didn’t home field go to the team with the best record? or was it always games 1 & 2 will start in the NL east division and AL west dvision (or vice versa)? now i just don’t remember…is that what you were saying?

    (still doesn’t explain why the WS didn’t go to the team with the best overall record…and with no interplague, i wonder how a tie would have been decided)

  • lwiedy | August 5, 2008 at 9:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”283586″]larry…i’m a little slow tonight

    could you explain that to me again, maybe using smaller words? i don’t follow what you mean about 2 PST games…until the expanded playoffs (8 teams)…didn’t home field go to the team with the best record? or was it always games 1 & 2 will start in the NL east division and AL west dvision (or vice versa)? now i just don’t remember…is that what you were saying?

    (still doesn’t explain why the WS didn’t go to the team with the best overall record…and with no interplague, i wonder how a tie would have been decided)[/quote]

    Alway alternated. That why you see som real cool championship game tickets with Game 1, 2, etc. They printed them several months ahead because they know what games they were hosting. The only variation to the was the 1981 (Split-season) playoffs where they went with Game A, B, etc.

  • lwiedy | August 5, 2008 at 10:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”283587″][quote comment=”283586″]larry…i’m a little slow tonight

    could you explain that to me again, maybe using smaller words? i don’t follow what you mean about 2 PST games…until the expanded playoffs (8 teams)…didn’t home field go to the team with the best record? or was it always games 1 & 2 will start in the NL east division and AL west dvision (or vice versa)? now i just don’t remember…is that what you were saying?

    (still doesn’t explain why the WS didn’t go to the team with the best overall record…and with no interplague, i wonder how a tie would have been decided)[/quote]

    Alway alternated. That why you see som real cool championship game tickets with Game 1, 2, etc. They printed them several months ahead because they know what games they were hosting. The only variation to the was the 1981 (Split-season) playoffs where they went with Game A, B, etc.[/quote]

    That should say championship SERIES tickets.

  • lwiedy | August 5, 2008 at 10:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”283587″][quote comment=”283586″]larry…i’m a little slow tonight

    could you explain that to me again, maybe using smaller words? i don’t follow what you mean about 2 PST games…until the expanded playoffs (8 teams)…didn’t home field go to the team with the best record? or was it always games 1 & 2 will start in the NL east division and AL west dvision (or vice versa)? now i just don’t remember…is that what you were saying?

    (still doesn’t explain why the WS didn’t go to the team with the best overall record…and with no interplague, i wonder how a tie would have been decided)[/quote]

    Alway alternated. That why you see som real cool championship game tickets with Game 1, 2, etc. They printed them several months ahead because they know what games they were hosting. The only variation to the was the 1981 (Split-season) playoffs where they went with Game A, B, etc.[/quote]

    It is why these exist;-)
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

  • Paul Lukas | August 5, 2008 at 10:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”283579″][quote comment=”283561″][quote comment=”283560″]to base home field advantage for the World Series on an exhibition game is ridiculous. It is just that an exhibition game…[/quote]

    And here’s something I’ve NEVER seen anyone else mention: The team with home-field advantage in the All-Star Game has a big advantage. That was evident this year, as the American League won in “walk-off” fashion. And how is ASG home field determined? It alternates every year. Just like the World Series home field used to do. I never saw anything wrong with that system, and I still don’t.[/quote]

    while the traditionalist in me agrees with PL and our former system (alternating years)…i have always wondered why, after 105 years (give or take), MLB NEVER went to best overall record when determining home field[/quote]

    Because the two leagues are separate and (until very recently) never played each other. So there’s no point in saying an N.L. team with a 100-62 record had a “better” year than an A.L. team with a 87-75 record, because it’s like comparing apples and oranges. They played completely different schedules against completely different teams in completely different leagues.

    Similarly, until recently the two leagues were different entities with different infrastructures (umpring crews, offices, baseballs, etc.), so alternating home field was sort of like a gentleman’s agreement between two distinct entities.

    Even with interleague play, the apples/oranges scheduling analysis still holds largely true today. I see nothing wrong with alternating — it’s sort of like the baseball equivalent of holding the Super Bowl at a neutral site (not an ideal analogy, but hopefully you can get my point).

  • LI Phil | August 5, 2008 at 10:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”283587″][quote comment=”283586″]larry…i’m a little slow tonight

    could you explain that to me again, maybe using smaller words? i don’t follow what you mean about 2 PST games…until the expanded playoffs (8 teams)…didn’t home field go to the team with the best record? or was it always games 1 & 2 will start in the NL east division and AL west dvision (or vice versa)? now i just don’t remember…is that what you were saying?

    (still doesn’t explain why the WS didn’t go to the team with the best overall record…and with no interplague, i wonder how a tie would have been decided)[/quote]

    Alway alternated. That why you see som real cool championship game tickets with Game 1, 2, etc. They printed them several months ahead because they know what games they were hosting. The only variation to the was the 1981 (Split-season) playoffs where they went with Game A, B, etc.[/quote]

    fair enough…at least i understood what you were saying…however…

    i know they didn’t start playing night games at the beginning of the divisional playoffs, but obviously they could…and since it was always (for example) Tuesday: NL Game 1; Wednesday: NL Game 2, AL Game 1; Thursday: AL Game 2; Friday, NL Game 3; Saturday: AL Game 3, NL Game 4; Sunday: AL Game 4, NL Game 5 (if necessary); Monday: AL Game 5 (i.n.); Tuesday: NL Game 6 (i.n.); Wednesday: AL Game 6 (i.n.), NL Game 7 (i.n.); Thursday: AL Game 7 (i.n.)

    so…even if you had 2 west teams with best overall record, AND no night games, there would only be one (definite) and at most 2 days when both west teams would play at home on the same day

    doesn’t really seem THAT big a deal, making the west play at 1 & 4 (so 4 & 7 east time)…or vice versa—when the west teams were in the east (10 am and 1 pm west time)…would only happen twice (thrice at most) that both teams played on the same day

  • LI Phil | August 5, 2008 at 10:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”283591″][quote comment=”283579″][quote comment=”283561″][quote comment=”283560″]to base home field advantage for the World Series on an exhibition game is ridiculous. It is just that an exhibition game…[/quote]

    And here’s something I’ve NEVER seen anyone else mention: The team with home-field advantage in the All-Star Game has a big advantage. That was evident this year, as the American League won in “walk-off” fashion. And how is ASG home field determined? It alternates every year. Just like the World Series home field used to do. I never saw anything wrong with that system, and I still don’t.[/quote]

    while the traditionalist in me agrees with PL and our former system (alternating years)…i have always wondered why, after 105 years (give or take), MLB NEVER went to best overall record when determining home field[/quote]

    Because the two leagues are separate and (until very recently) never played each other. So there’s no point in saying an N.L. team with a 100-62 record had a “better” year than an A.L. team with a 87-75 record, because it’s like comparing apples and oranges. They played completely different schedules against completely different teams in completely different leagues.

    Similarly, until recently the two leagues were different entities with different infrastructures (umpring crews, offices, baseballs, etc.), so alternating home field was sort of like a gentleman’s agreement between two distinct entities.

    Even with interleague play, the apples/oranges scheduling analysis still holds largely true today. I see nothing wrong with alternating — it’s sort of like the baseball equivalent of holding the Super Bowl at a neutral site (not an ideal analogy, but hopefully you can get my point).[/quote]

    PL…

    i agree with you and 105 years of history…i just wondered why it never went to best overall record…seems much more fair than what we have now (which is an abomination)…the ASG never should have been used to determine the home field (although with recent WS’, it’s not like it has mattered…but it will…just look at the 1987 & 1991 twinkies to see how much of an advantage home field really is)

    selig absolutely FUCKED UP this one…all because of the embarassment of a tie in his own house

  • lwiedy | August 5, 2008 at 10:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”283592″][quote comment=”283587″][quote comment=”283586″]larry…i’m a little slow tonight

    could you explain that to me again, maybe using smaller words? i don’t follow what you mean about 2 PST games…until the expanded playoffs (8 teams)…didn’t home field go to the team with the best record? or was it always games 1 & 2 will start in the NL east division and AL west dvision (or vice versa)? now i just don’t remember…is that what you were saying?

    (still doesn’t explain why the WS didn’t go to the team with the best overall record…and with no interplague, i wonder how a tie would have been decided)[/quote]

    Alway alternated. That why you see som real cool championship game tickets with Game 1, 2, etc. They printed them several months ahead because they know what games they were hosting. The only variation to the was the 1981 (Split-season) playoffs where they went with Game A, B, etc.[/quote]

    fair enough…at least i understood what you were saying…however…

    i know they didn’t start playing night games at the beginning of the divisional playoffs, but obviously they could…and since it was always (for example) Tuesday: NL Game 1; Wednesday: NL Game 2, AL Game 1; Thursday: AL Game 2; Friday, NL Game 3; Saturday: AL Game 3, NL Game 4; Sunday: AL Game 4, NL Game 5 (if necessary); Monday: AL Game 5 (i.n.); Tuesday: NL Game 6 (i.n.); Wednesday: AL Game 6 (i.n.), NL Game 7 (i.n.); Thursday: AL Game 7 (i.n.)

    so…even if you had 2 west teams with best overall record, AND no night games, there would only be one (definite) and at most 2 days when both west teams would play at home on the same day

    doesn’t really seem THAT big a deal, making the west play at 1 & 4 (so 4 & 7 east time)…or vice versa—when the west teams were in the east (10 am and 1 pm west time)…would only happen twice (thrice at most) that both teams played on the same day[/quote]

    “Since it was always Tuesday” not quite right. From 1969 to 1976, LCS began on Saturday and all weekend game were day games, so you would have minimum of two EVERY year with one starting at 10 a.m. on Sunday, so you can see the problem with that.

  • LI Phil | August 5, 2008 at 10:25 pm |

    [quote]“Since it was always Tuesday” not quite right. From 1969 to 1976, LCS began on Saturday and all weekend game were day games, so you would have minimum of two EVERY year with one starting at 10 a.m. on Sunday, so you can see the problem with that.[/quote]

    well shit larry…stop letting these facts get in the way of a good argument…that’s no damn fun

    and what’s the problem with having a 10 am game on sunday?

    ….

    ;)

  • lwiedy | August 5, 2008 at 10:30 pm |

    I know I’ll get ripped for this, but baseball is not football (one game elimination), hockey or basketball. The “whatever-you-want-to-call-it” advantage is tonight’s starter. The only time I remember hearing about home-field deciding a series was in 1987 and Cardinals fans whine whenever they lose a World Series. Of course, I’m a Royals fan.

  • Mike Engle | August 5, 2008 at 10:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”283582″][quote comment=”283381″]Marquette retired the No. 11 in basketball for the Apollo 11 moon flight. The team even wore the Apollo 11 patch on its warmup jackets for the 69-70 season. It also retired the number 38 in honor of the 38 years of service given by the late Robert Weingart as Marquette’s athletic trainer, and the number 77 to honor legendary head coach Al McGuire, who led the 1977 team to the NCAA Championship. (They’ve retired nine player numbers as well.)

    Oh, and a strange coincidence; my anti-spam word for this post was “space.”[/quote]

    …some of the quieter banter here relating to the retiring of numbers by franchises, especially the Marquette numbers got me thinking – how many teams have the same number retired for multiple people? That Marquette page has #31 retired for Bo Ellis and Doc Rivers. Any idea about this one?[/quote]
    Hmmm…
    Yankees #8 Yogi Berra and Bill Dickey
    Expos (RIP) #10 Andre Dawson and Rusty Staub
    Canadiens #12 Dickie Moore and Yvan Cournoyer
    Celtics (sort of) #18 Dave Cowens and Jim Loscutoff
    Knicks #15 Earl Monroe and Dick McGuire
    Baseball Cardinals #42 Bruce Sutter and league-wide Jackie Robinson
    That’s all I have for now.

  • LI Phil | August 5, 2008 at 10:37 pm |

    [quote]The only time I remember hearing about home-field deciding a series was in 1987 and Cardinals fans whine whenever they lose a World Series. Of course, I’m a Royals fan.[/quote]

    donald anton denkinger agrees

  • Mike Engle | August 5, 2008 at 10:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”283598″][quote]The only time I remember hearing about home-field deciding a series was in 1987 and Cardinals fans whine whenever they lose a World Series. Of course, I’m a Royals fan.[/quote]

    donald anton denkinger agrees[/quote]
    Two years off, but the point still stands…Cards got theirs in ’06, can he be forgiven yet?

  • Kek | August 5, 2008 at 10:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”283561″][quote comment=”283560″]to base home field advantage for the World Series on an exhibition game is ridiculous. It is just that an exhibition game…[/quote]

    And here’s something I’ve NEVER seen anyone else mention: The team with home-field advantage in the All-Star Game has a big advantage. That was evident this year, as the American League won in “walk-off” fashion. And how is ASG home field determined? It alternates every year. Just like the World Series home field used to do. I never saw anything wrong with that system, and I still don’t.[/quote]
    Do you mean overall since the ASG began because recent history says otherwise. The AL has not lost an ASG since 1996 and aside from 06 and 07 you’ve had alternating years between AL and NL ballparks.

  • lwiedy | August 5, 2008 at 10:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”283599″][quote comment=”283598″][quote]The only time I remember hearing about home-field deciding a series was in 1987 and Cardinals fans whine whenever they lose a World Series. Of course, I’m a Royals fan.[/quote]

    donald anton denkinger agrees[/quote]
    Two years off, but the point still stands…Cards got theirs in ’06, can he be forgiven yet?[/quote]

    Point was, they find something to complain about whenever (’85 & ’87) they lose. As for the forgive & forget, from what I understand, Mr. D’s mail would suggest otherwise.

  • LI Phil | August 5, 2008 at 10:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”283599″][quote comment=”283598″][quote]The only time I remember hearing about home-field deciding a series was in 1987 and Cardinals fans whine whenever they lose a World Series. Of course, I’m a Royals fan.[/quote]

    donald anton denkinger agrees[/quote]
    Two years off, but the point still stands…Cards got theirs in ’06, can he be forgiven yet?[/quote]

    i know that mike…because we don’t have that edit button, i meant to start larry’s quote with “cardinals fans whine…” not “the only time”…

    and because of the great battles the mets had with the cards in the mid-80’s, i was a HUGE royal fan in the fall of ’85 and twin fan in the fall of ’87

    but yeah…we can forgive him

  • Kek | August 5, 2008 at 10:53 pm |

    just a little follow up on that Dave Parker thing: I checked my DVD and the pregame footage isn’t on there. It must have been the VHS highlight tape. I’ll dig it out and check tomorrow.

    One thing I did stumble upon though on the DVD was in the extras. There was footage of Parker’s two outfield assists. I know we’ve talked about Cobra wearing white cleats in ASGs and I had always thought ’79 he did this as well and he very well might have but I could swear they looked yellow. They also looked to be Brooks which was odd based on the discussion we had.

    I could be way off here, the video to DVD process may have destroyed the quality and it could just be my eyes playing tricks on me.

    Paul? Ricko? Anyone?

  • Steve | August 5, 2008 at 10:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”283591″][quote comment=”283579″][quote comment=”283561″][quote comment=”283560″]to base home field advantage for the World Series on an exhibition game is ridiculous. It is just that an exhibition game…[/quote]

    And here’s something I’ve NEVER seen anyone else mention: The team with home-field advantage in the All-Star Game has a big advantage. That was evident this year, as the American League won in “walk-off” fashion. And how is ASG home field determined? It alternates every year. Just like the World Series home field used to do. I never saw anything wrong with that system, and I still don’t.[/quote]

    while the traditionalist in me agrees with PL and our former system (alternating years)…i have always wondered why, after 105 years (give or take), MLB NEVER went to best overall record when determining home field[/quote]

    Because the two leagues are separate and (until very recently) never played each other. So there’s no point in saying an N.L. team with a 100-62 record had a “better” year than an A.L. team with a 87-75 record, because it’s like comparing apples and oranges. They played completely different schedules against completely different teams in completely different leagues.

    Similarly, until recently the two leagues were different entities with different infrastructures (umpring crews, offices, baseballs, etc.), so alternating home field was sort of like a gentleman’s agreement between two distinct entities.

    Even with interleague play, the apples/oranges scheduling analysis still holds largely true today. I see nothing wrong with alternating — it’s sort of like the baseball equivalent of holding the Super Bowl at a neutral site (not an ideal analogy, but hopefully you can get my point).[/quote]

    Dead horse, but the neutral site Super Bowl always seemed like one of the biggest screws in sports. You’ve earned the best record in the league and your loyal fans (except the wealthy ones) are stuck at home? Gee, thanks.

  • lwiedy | August 5, 2008 at 10:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”283603″]I know we’ve talked about Cobra wearing white cleats in ASGs and I had always thought ’79 he did this as well and he very well might have but I could swear they looked yellow.[/quote]

    I think that was LC Greenwood.

  • lwiedy | August 5, 2008 at 11:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”283604″][quote comment=”283591″][quote comment=”283579″][quote comment=”283561″][quote comment=”283560″]to base home field advantage for the World Series on an exhibition game is ridiculous. It is just that an exhibition game…[/quote]

    And here’s something I’ve NEVER seen anyone else mention: The team with home-field advantage in the All-Star Game has a big advantage. That was evident this year, as the American League won in “walk-off” fashion. And how is ASG home field determined? It alternates every year. Just like the World Series home field used to do. I never saw anything wrong with that system, and I still don’t.[/quote]

    while the traditionalist in me agrees with PL and our former system (alternating years)…i have always wondered why, after 105 years (give or take), MLB NEVER went to best overall record when determining home field[/quote]

    Because the two leagues are separate and (until very recently) never played each other. So there’s no point in saying an N.L. team with a 100-62 record had a “better” year than an A.L. team with a 87-75 record, because it’s like comparing apples and oranges. They played completely different schedules against completely different teams in completely different leagues.

    Similarly, until recently the two leagues were different entities with different infrastructures (umpring crews, offices, baseballs, etc.), so alternating home field was sort of like a gentleman’s agreement between two distinct entities.

    Even with interleague play, the apples/oranges scheduling analysis still holds largely true today. I see nothing wrong with alternating — it’s sort of like the baseball equivalent of holding the Super Bowl at a neutral site (not an ideal analogy, but hopefully you can get my point).[/quote]

    Dead horse, but the neutral site Super Bowl always seemed like one of the biggest screws in sports. You’ve earned the best record in the league and your loyal fans (except the wealthy ones) are stuck at home? Gee, thanks.[/quote]

    It would be nice if the game was actually played for no other reason than to decide the league championship, but that is merely a by-product of what the SB’s purpose is.

  • BurghFan | August 5, 2008 at 11:13 pm |

    surely, in this day and age, we don’t need to know months ahead of time that games one and two will take place at _________(insert american or national) league winner…maybe in 1910 it did, when travel and tickets could be more problematic

    According to Fred Lieb’s The Pittsburgh Pirates, when the Pirates and Tigers were tied after 6 games in 1909, they resorted to the process of the time and flipped a coin to determine who was home for game 7. I don’t know when that changed.

    And Paul is right – determining home field by better record when teams play substantially different schedules is about as arbitrary as alternating home field (or flipping a coin).

  • James Craven | August 5, 2008 at 11:36 pm |

    Remember, the All-Star Game was played in American League parks two years running, 1950 at Cominskey Park I and 1951 at Tiger (Briggs) Stadium in Detroit. The ’06 and ’07 were to balance things out IIRC.

  • lwiedy | August 5, 2008 at 11:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”283609″]Remember, the All-Star Game was played in American League parks two years running, 1950 at Cominskey Park I and 1951 at Tiger (Briggs) Stadium in Detroit. The ’06 and ’07 were to balance things out IIRC.[/quote]

    Seriously? If that is true it is the dumbest reason to do anything I’ve ever hear.

  • Mike Engle | August 5, 2008 at 11:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”283610″][quote comment=”283609″]Remember, the All-Star Game was played in American League parks two years running, 1950 at Cominskey Park I and 1951 at Tiger (Briggs) Stadium in Detroit. The ’06 and ’07 were to balance things out IIRC.[/quote]

    Seriously? If that is true it is the dumbest reason to do anything I’ve ever hear.[/quote]
    The ASG generally alternates AL/NL, but the two exceptions have been mentioned. Detroit wanted the ASG the same year as a milestone anniversary for the city, and the Yankees wanted to close out the Stadium with an ASG.

  • lwiedy | August 5, 2008 at 11:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”283611″][quote comment=”283610″][quote comment=”283609″]Remember, the All-Star Game was played in American League parks two years running, 1950 at Cominskey Park I and 1951 at Tiger (Briggs) Stadium in Detroit. The ’06 and ’07 were to balance things out IIRC.[/quote]

    Seriously? If that is true it is the dumbest reason to do anything I’ve ever hear.[/quote]
    The ASG generally alternates AL/NL, but the two exceptions have been mentioned. Detroit wanted the ASG the same year as a milestone anniversary for the city, and the Yankees wanted to close out the Stadium with an ASG.[/quote]

    Ahh, much better!

  • LI Phil | August 6, 2008 at 12:01 am |

    i know it’s late…

    but can you name the only year to have the ASG played on a weekend

    why?

  • lwiedy | August 6, 2008 at 12:03 am |

    [quote comment=”283613″]i know it’s late…

    but can you name the only year to have the ASG played on a weekend

    why?[/quote]

    1981 in Cleveland, first game after the strike.

  • lwiedy | August 6, 2008 at 12:09 am |

    [quote comment=”283614″][quote comment=”283613″]i know it’s late…

    but can you name the only year to have the ASG played on a weekend

    why?[/quote]

    1981 in Cleveland, first game after the strike.[/quote]

    I recall that several days before the “re-start”, teams did play several exhibition games against their “local” rival. The Royals played at Busch, anybody remember any others?

  • LI Phil | August 6, 2008 at 12:09 am |

    [quote comment=”283614″][quote comment=”283613″]i know it’s late…

    but can you name the only year to have the ASG played on a weekend

    why?[/quote]

    1981 in Cleveland, first game after the strike.[/quote]

    sorry if i made the question too tough ;)

    well done larry

  • Billy Suter | August 6, 2008 at 12:10 am |

    [quote comment=”283554″]
    Would this be the same thing with Goose Gossage and the Pirates? Since he only played one year in Pittsburgh I don’t think there is a topps card of him in a Pirate uni but I could be wrong.[/quote]

    He played for the Pirates in ’77. You can tell that the whole uni was airbrushed.

  • Billy Suter | August 6, 2008 at 12:11 am |

    Oops! Screwed that up.

    The card above is from ’78.

  • lwiedy | August 6, 2008 at 12:12 am |

    [quote comment=”283616″][quote comment=”283614″][quote comment=”283613″]i know it’s late…

    but can you name the only year to have the ASG played on a weekend

    why?[/quote]

    1981 in Cleveland, first game after the strike.[/quote]

    sorry if i made the question too tough ;)

    well done larry[/quote]

    Phil, I think you know where my “wheelhouse” is.

  • LI Phil | August 6, 2008 at 12:19 am |

    [quote comment=”283615″][quote comment=”283614″][quote comment=”283613″]i know it’s late…

    but can you name the only year to have the ASG played on a weekend

    why?[/quote]

    1981 in Cleveland, first game after the strike.[/quote]

    I recall that several days before the “re-start”, teams did play several exhibition games against their “local” rival. The Royals played at Busch, anybody remember any others?[/quote]

    i honestly don’t remember if the mets and yanks played, but i think they may have…

    i do remember that (1) the mets SUCKED that year and (2) the yanks had already ‘clinched’ a playoff spot (that sat well)

    i also remember the mets played the first game of the ‘new’ season against the cubbies…and the first run scored on a balk…how pathetic prophetic

  • lwiedy | August 6, 2008 at 12:27 am |

    [quote comment=”283620″][quote comment=”283615″][quote comment=”283614″][quote comment=”283613″]i know it’s late…

    but can you name the only year to have the ASG played on a weekend

    why?[/quote]

    1981 in Cleveland, first game after the strike.[/quote]

    I recall that several days before the “re-start”, teams did play several exhibition games against their “local” rival. The Royals played at Busch, anybody remember any others?[/quote]

    i do remember that (1) the mets SUCKED that year and (2) the yanks had already ‘clinched’ a playoff spot (that sat well)[/quote]

    What are you talkin’ about? The Amazin’s were a game-and-a-half out of first on Sept. 10th!! ;-)

    http://www.retroshee...

  • lwiedy | August 6, 2008 at 12:31 am |

    [quote comment=”283621″][quote comment=”283620″][quote comment=”283615″][quote comment=”283614″][quote comment=”283613″]i know it’s late…

    but can you name the only year to have the ASG played on a weekend

    why?[/quote]

    1981 in Cleveland, first game after the strike.[/quote]

    I recall that several days before the “re-start”, teams did play several exhibition games against their “local” rival. The Royals played at Busch, anybody remember any others?[/quote]

    i do remember that (1) the mets SUCKED that year and (2) the yanks had already ‘clinched’ a playoff spot (that sat well)[/quote]

    What are you talkin’ about? The Amazin’s were a game-and-a-half out of first on Sept. 10th!! ;-)

    http://www.retroshee...

    And for all you “Bud Selig Fan Club” members, the author of that travesty is now in the Hall Of Fame.

  • lwiedy | August 6, 2008 at 12:35 am |

    Some kid just told Prince Fielder on a Boys & Girls Club commercial that he struck out 125 times his rookie year and Prince show remarkable restraint! I guess he really did learn his lesson.

  • lwiedy | August 6, 2008 at 12:39 am |

    John Kruk two minutes ago on BBTN, “I can honestly say I hated those blue hats”
    http://images.auctio...

  • LI Phil | August 6, 2008 at 12:42 am |

    [quote comment=”283623″]Some kid just told Prince Fielder on a Boys & Girls Club commercial that he struck out 125 times his rookie year and Prince show remarkable restraint! I guess he really did learn his lesson.[/quote]

    kid wasn’t manny parra’s son, was it?

  • Frank | August 6, 2008 at 1:23 am |

    Saw a highlight of Billy Wagner pitching against Wilson Betemit on ESPN, and Betemit had to different color socks on… the left was more royal blue, the right was the typical navy blue/black sock color that the Yankees wear.

  • Chris | August 6, 2008 at 1:47 am |

    [quote comment=”283593″][quote comment=”283591″][quote comment=”283579″][quote comment=”283561″][quote comment=”283560″]to base home field advantage for the World Series on an exhibition game is ridiculous. It is just that an exhibition game…[/quote]

    And here’s something I’ve NEVER seen anyone else mention: The team with home-field advantage in the All-Star Game has a big advantage. That was evident this year, as the American League won in “walk-off” fashion. And how is ASG home field determined? It alternates every year. Just like the World Series home field used to do. I never saw anything wrong with that system, and I still don’t.[/quote]

    while the traditionalist in me agrees with PL and our former system (alternating years)…i have always wondered why, after 105 years (give or take), MLB NEVER went to best overall record when determining home field[/quote]

    Because the two leagues are separate and (until very recently) never played each other. So there’s no point in saying an N.L. team with a 100-62 record had a “better” year than an A.L. team with a 87-75 record, because it’s like comparing apples and oranges. They played completely different schedules against completely different teams in completely different leagues.

    Similarly, until recently the two leagues were different entities with different infrastructures (umpring crews, offices, baseballs, etc.), so alternating home field was sort of like a gentleman’s agreement between two distinct entities.

    Even with interleague play, the apples/oranges scheduling analysis still holds largely true today. I see nothing wrong with alternating — it’s sort of like the baseball equivalent of holding the Super Bowl at a neutral site (not an ideal analogy, but hopefully you can get my point).[/quote]

    PL…

    i agree with you and 105 years of history…i just wondered why it never went to best overall record…seems much more fair than what we have now (which is an abomination)…the ASG never should have been used to determine the home field (although with recent WS’, it’s not like it has mattered…but it will…just look at the 1987 & 1991 twinkies to see how much of an advantage home field really is)

    selig absolutely FUCKED UP this one…all because of the embarassment of a tie in his own house[/quote]
    You are absolutely right, home field advantage in the World Series going to the league that won the All-Star Game was nothing more than a distraction in the aftermath of the ’02 debacle, and as a way to combat declining viewership, but that last problem could be solved, along with sagging WS ratings by playing the games earlier. They trade the East Coast audience for the West Coast audience. This happens with all the big four sports championships.

  • Jonee | August 6, 2008 at 2:32 am |

    The Whalers talk prompted me (old fan of the Whale) to do an Ebay search where I found this sweet old ticket stub. Never seen this 10th anniversary logo before. Pretty neat.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

  • Husul | August 6, 2008 at 4:34 am |

    Olympic field hockey: Lenses help fight glare
    More than a third of the Great Britain women’s hockey team are planning to wear coloured contact lenses in an effort to deal with the extreme conditions in Beijing

    http://www.telegraph...

  • Kek | August 6, 2008 at 7:54 am |

    Not sure if anyone is digging in here with today being shut down but I wanted to address something I missed:

    longtime reader, first time post. but since im a Pitt student i figured id chime in.
    the changes to the Pitt designs, especially the color scheme and the notable move to “Pittsburgh” rather than “Pitt” coincided with the hiring of Steve Pederson as AD for the first time in 1996. the athletic department, and for that matter the school, was attempting to build a new identity around the “Pittsburgh” moniker. in all official dealings the school was referred to as “Pittsburgh.” the idea was to totally re-vamp the image of the school to make it more recognizable nationwide (they saw “Pitt” as being familiar only to the area immediately around pittsburgh). this was a case of the school and athletic department making the changes, not a company

    .

    I knew all this info regarding the admin’s change from PITT to PITTSBURGH, I was only asking about the design and color changes. What was the the agreement with the manufacturer. Did Pitt say “we want to be called PITTSBURGH now design us a new uniforms” or did Pitt specifically have input in the new logo and color scheme.

  • DJ | August 6, 2008 at 8:38 am |

    Olympic action began today with women’s soccer. Bad enough that the US was trailing Norway 2-0 at halftime. Worse was the US jersey. No US flag, no US Soccer Federation badge, no US Olympic team logo. Apparently, Nike wants our women to play solely for the Swoosh. Shame on them.

  • Nick | August 6, 2008 at 8:39 am |

    Question for the Red Sox fans out there: I love the Red Sox 1970’s era red caps but I’ve noticed that sometimes the replica hats have a white B and sometimes they have a blue B. According to Dressed to the Nines (and Distant Replays for that matter), the Sox never wore a white B. In 1974,they had a blue B, red front panel, and a blue brim
    ( http://www.distantre...), and from 1975 to 1978, they had a blue B, red all around the cap, and a blue brim
    ( http://www.distantre...).

    I don’t think the white B caps are a cheap knock-off because they sell the them all over
    the place including the Yawkey Way Souvenir Store, where, unfortunately, the white B cap
    is the only item on the website that doesn’t have a picture
    ( http://www.yawkeyway... ).

    I know the Sox (and every other team for that matter) sell merchandise that the team
    never wore on the field, but this one seems weird because it’s so close the actual
    uniform, unlike the pink hats, etc. So did the Sox ever wear a white B on their caps or
    is this a mistake a la the Rangers’ changing color T?

  • Denis | August 6, 2008 at 8:43 am |

    I was listening to 102.5 WDVE Pittsburgh and the morninging show was talking about the Steelers training camp.
    Ryan Clark, wears number 21 in practice because he wanted to change to 21 to honor Sean Taylor, but the NFl wouldnt let him switch from 25 to 21 in the games. So 21 in practice is 25 in the games.

  • Chad | August 6, 2008 at 9:40 am |

    [quote comment=”283632″]Question for the Red Sox fans out there: I love the Red Sox 1970’s era red caps but I’ve noticed that sometimes the replica hats have a white B and sometimes they have a blue B. According to Dressed to the Nines (and Distant Replays for that matter), the Sox never wore a white B. In 1974,they had a blue B, red front panel, and a blue brim
    ( http://www.distantre...), and from 1975 to 1978, they had a blue B, red all around the cap, and a blue brim
    ( http://www.distantre...).

    I don’t think the white B caps are a cheap knock-off because they sell the them all over
    the place including the Yawkey Way Souvenir Store, where, unfortunately, the white B cap
    is the only item on the website that doesn’t have a picture
    ( http://www.yawkeyway... ).

    I know the Sox (and every other team for that matter) sell merchandise that the team
    never wore on the field, but this one seems weird because it’s so close the actual
    uniform, unlike the pink hats, etc. So did the Sox ever wear a white B on their caps or
    is this a mistake a la the Rangers’ changing color T?[/quote]
    the white b was an alternate cap in the late 90s i think. i want to say they had a white alternate cap that year too

  • Hurnf | August 6, 2008 at 9:46 am |

    [quote comment=”283631″]Olympic action began today with women’s soccer. Bad enough that the US was trailing Norway 2-0 at halftime. Worse was the US jersey. No US flag, no US Soccer Federation badge, no US Olympic team logo. Apparently, Nike wants our women to play solely for the Swoosh. Shame on them.[/quote]

    The twin stars weren’t on the collar? I think it was a silent protest by the USSF because it had to drop Philips sponsorship?

  • DJ | August 6, 2008 at 10:27 am |

    The twin stars weren’t on the collar? I think it was a silent protest by the USSF because it had to drop Philips sponsorship?

    I saw the twin stars on the back collar. But a protest for “dropping Philips sponsorship?” I don’t think so. It’s well known that teams cannot wear corporate sponsorship logos at the Olympics (except for a limited-sized manufacturer’s logo).

    What makes it especially egregious is that Nike designed this year’s Olympic team logo (hard to describe — it looks like a shield with wings). They couldn’t even be bothered to slap that on.

  • Ricko | August 6, 2008 at 10:29 am |

    [quote comment=”283603″]just a little follow up on that Dave Parker thing: I checked my DVD and the pregame footage isn’t on there. It must have been the VHS highlight tape. I’ll dig it out and check tomorrow.

    One thing I did stumble upon though on the DVD was in the extras. There was footage of Parker’s two outfield assists. I know we’ve talked about Cobra wearing white cleats in ASGs and I had always thought ’79 he did this as well and he very well might have but I could swear they looked yellow. They also looked to be Brooks which was odd based on the discussion we had.

    I could be way off here, the video to DVD process may have destroyed the quality and it could just be my eyes playing tricks on me.

    Paul? Ricko? Anyone?[/quote]

    e-mailed Paul a couple scans relative to this early Wed. am. Yeah, were gold Brooks on those two throws. Remember watching game and replays very closely to see what he was wearing. Found reference photo later (re: shoes, not actual plays).

    ’81 in Cleveland ASG, it was gold-white Pony with black logo.

  • LI Phil | August 6, 2008 at 10:31 am |

    [quote comment=”283631″]Olympic action began today with women’s soccer. Bad enough that the US was trailing Norway 2-0 at halftime. Worse was the US jersey. No US flag, no US Soccer Federation badge, no US Olympic team logo. Apparently, Nike wants our women to play solely for the Swoosh. Shame on them.[/quote]

    goddam…

    couldn’t even make it through a “gone fishin'” day with out a nike bash…no shock there

    of course, the fact that all nations kits are devoid of almost all logo clutter, patches, sponsorship billboards and the like should be cause for celebration

    but no…gotta stick it to the swoosh

    im more ‘appalled’ that the us women’s kit has almost as much ‘gold’ as it does red and white…and maybe it’s the lighting, but the red and blue look much darker than the official flag colors

  • kj | August 6, 2008 at 10:54 am |

    It appears that the Olympic soccer teams don’t wear their usual national FA crests during the games. I found a photo gallery of the first day, but the pictures aren’t detailed enough to see what some of the teams are wearing. Canada appears to have no country identifier as well, but it’s tough to tell.

  • kj | August 6, 2008 at 10:57 am |

    And, Phil, I disagree. The only “clutter” missing from the usual US national team kits for the Olympics is a country identifier. There’s no advertising on national team kits in FIFA competitions. So you’d rather them have a manufacturer logo than something signifying which country they’re representing?

    (But, you are right, it’s not just Nike, and it’s likely not even their call/fault.)

  • LI Phil | August 6, 2008 at 11:11 am |

    [quote comment=”283640″]And, Phil, I disagree. The only “clutter” missing from the usual US national team kits for the Olympics is a country identifier. There’s no advertising on national team kits in FIFA competitions. So you’d rather them have a manufacturer logo than something signifying which country they’re representing?

    (But, you are right, it’s not just Nike, and it’s likely not even their call/fault.)[/quote]

    kj,

    i know there’s no advertising on national kits, i was pointing out that since sponsor logos are generally viewed with shall we say, disdain, the national kits are always refreshing (no matter which nation they are)…i think, at least from the 8 or so nations i’ve seen so far, they’re all refreshingly clean…as they should be

    would i like a small country identifier? maybe…be nice if i didn’t need one…

    look at this picture…i can instantly recognize argentina, but i couldn’t be sure the other team is canada (it is)…so, yeah…maybe some identifier would be nice

    do i want a huge-ass U.S.A. plastered on there tho? not really, although this might be nice

  • DJ | August 6, 2008 at 11:18 am |

    of course, the fact that all nations kits are devoid of almost all logo clutter, patches, sponsorship billboards and the like should be cause for celebration

    but no…gotta stick it to the swoosh

    Had Nike added the US Olympic team logo, which Nike itself designed, I would have had no complaints.

    And just to make you feel better, shame on Adidas for not adding an appropriate logo to the Canadian kit.

  • Tank | August 6, 2008 at 11:20 am |

    the white b was an alternate cap in the late 90s i think. i want to say they had a white alternate cap that year too

    Correct. I want to say it was 1997, but it may have been 1996 or 1998. I couldn’t find a picture, but I have several baseball cards showing both the red hat with the white B and the white hat. In fact, I bought both of those hats when at Fenway that year.

    I want to say that the Red Sox ended up wearing the red alternate more often than the white cap, but I may be wrong.

  • Rick White in Cedar Park, TX | August 6, 2008 at 11:36 am |

    [quote comment=”283642″]of course, the fact that all nations kits are devoid of almost all logo clutter, patches, sponsorship billboards and the like should be cause for celebration

    but no…gotta stick it to the swoosh

    Had Nike added the US Olympic team logo, which Nike itself designed, I would have had no complaints.

    And just to make you feel better, shame on Adidas for not adding an appropriate logo to the Canadian kit.[/quote]

    Whomever the designer is, the US Olympic Committee should have it in the contract that a US flag or crest or something identifying the team is from USA be visible on the uniform. It’s competition between countries for cryin’ out loud. We should be able to easily identify the countries if (big if for me I don’t watch the Olympics anymore) we turn on the TV midway into some event.

  • LI Phil | August 6, 2008 at 11:46 am |

    [quote comment=”283644″][quote comment=”283642″]of course, the fact that all nations kits are devoid of almost all logo clutter, patches, sponsorship billboards and the like should be cause for celebration

    but no…gotta stick it to the swoosh

    Had Nike added the US Olympic team logo, which Nike itself designed, I would have had no complaints.

    And just to make you feel better, shame on Adidas for not adding an appropriate logo to the Canadian kit.[/quote]

    Whomever the designer is, the US Olympic Committee should have it in the contract that a US flag or crest or something identifying the team is from USA be visible on the uniform. It’s competition between countries for cryin’ out loud. We should be able to easily identify the countries if (big if for me I don’t watch the Olympics anymore) we turn on the TV midway into some event.[/quote]

    whatever happend to this?

    shouldn’t our kits look like this? (although not always in gold)

    wasn’t this to be on the 2008 kits? will it still be on the mens?

  • Rick White in Cedar Park, TX | August 6, 2008 at 11:50 am |

    [quote comment=”283645″][quote comment=”283644″][quote comment=”283642″]of course, the fact that all nations kits are devoid of almost all logo clutter, patches, sponsorship billboards and the like should be cause for celebration

    but no…gotta stick it to the swoosh

    Had Nike added the US Olympic team logo, which Nike itself designed, I would have had no complaints.

    And just to make you feel better, shame on Adidas for not adding an appropriate logo to the Canadian kit.[/quote]

    Whomever the designer is, the US Olympic Committee should have it in the contract that a US flag or crest or something identifying the team is from USA be visible on the uniform. It’s competition between countries for cryin’ out loud. We should be able to easily identify the countries if (big if for me I don’t watch the Olympics anymore) we turn on the TV midway into some event.[/quote]

    whatever happend to this?

    shouldn’t our kits look like this? (although not always in gold)

    wasn’t this to be on the 2008 kits? will it still be on the mens?[/quote]

    I agree with you Phil …but, the gold tops can go. White, Red, and or Blue tops please.

  • Kek | August 6, 2008 at 12:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”283637″][quote comment=”283603″]just a little follow up on that Dave Parker thing: I checked my DVD and the pregame footage isn’t on there. It must have been the VHS highlight tape. I’ll dig it out and check tomorrow.

    One thing I did stumble upon though on the DVD was in the extras. There was footage of Parker’s two outfield assists. I know we’ve talked about Cobra wearing white cleats in ASGs and I had always thought ’79 he did this as well and he very well might have but I could swear they looked yellow. They also looked to be Brooks which was odd based on the discussion we had.

    I could be way off here, the video to DVD process may have destroyed the quality and it could just be my eyes playing tricks on me.

    Paul? Ricko? Anyone?[/quote]

    e-mailed Paul a couple scans relative to this early Wed. am. Yeah, were gold Brooks on those two throws. Remember watching game and replays very closely to see what he was wearing. Found reference photo later (re: shoes, not actual plays).

    ’81 in Cleveland ASG, it was gold-white Pony with black logo.[/quote]
    Good to know my eyes are still sharp!

    Damn tho! How did I miss this?!?!

    Since uniwatch is offline today, can you email those scans to me too? (doug.keklak@gmail.com)

  • Kek | August 6, 2008 at 12:32 pm |

    Regarding Parker’s gold PONYs: http://vault.sportsi...

    Check out pages 16-17, is there yellow AND white on those spikes?

  • Ricko | August 6, 2008 at 12:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”283648″]Regarding Parker’s gold PONYs: http://vault.sportsi...

    Check out pages 16-17, is there yellow AND white on those spikes?[/quote]

    Yes. That’s one of the image I sent to Paul.

  • Hurnf | August 6, 2008 at 12:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”283636″]The twin stars weren’t on the collar? I think it was a silent protest by the USSF because it had to drop Philips sponsorship?

    I saw the twin stars on the back collar. But a protest for “dropping Philips sponsorship?” I don’t think so. It’s well known that teams cannot wear corporate sponsorship logos at the Olympics (except for a limited-sized manufacturer’s logo).

    What makes it especially egregious is that Nike designed this year’s Olympic team logo (hard to describe — it looks like a shield with wings). They couldn’t even be bothered to slap that on.[/quote]

    There is a big tug of war between national governing bodies of sport (USSF) and the USOC over sponsorship. Philips was U.S. Soccer’s presenting sponsor for about three or four years; but on the training jersey now is the U.S. Soccer website address.

    The counterpoint: there is a picture over the wires today with Argentina’s men’s Olympic team wearing training shirts with the word Coca-Cola on it.

    http://d.yimg.com/us...

    Yep, Coke’s an Olympic sponsor as well as a sponsor of the AFA.

    Is that why Argentina can use its Federation badge and other nations cannot?

  • Hurnf | August 6, 2008 at 1:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”283644″][quote comment=”283642″]of course, the fact that all nations kits are devoid of almost all logo clutter, patches, sponsorship billboards and the like should be cause for celebration

    but no…gotta stick it to the swoosh

    Had Nike added the US Olympic team logo, which Nike itself designed, I would have had no complaints.

    And just to make you feel better, shame on Adidas for not adding an appropriate logo to the Canadian kit.[/quote]

    Whomever the designer is, the US Olympic Committee should have it in the contract that a US flag or crest or something identifying the team is from USA be visible on the uniform. It’s competition between countries for cryin’ out loud. We should be able to easily identify the countries if (big if for me I don’t watch the Olympics anymore) we turn on the TV midway into some event.[/quote]

    I notice that Sweden and New Zealand use special logos, Germany uses the black eagle shield, and I cannot discern what Brazil has. Canada’s logo is on the sleeve. Odd.

  • Roger Faso | August 6, 2008 at 1:57 pm |

    The Olympic BMX Bikes are pretty dope looking …

    http://www.redlinebi...

  • James Craven | August 6, 2008 at 2:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”283611″]“The ASG generally alternates AL/NL, but the two exceptions have been mentioned. Detroit wanted the ASG the same year as a milestone anniversary for the city, and the Yankees wanted to close out the Stadium with an ASG.”[/quote]

    Not really…the NL – when my math was last correct – has sixteen teams, the AL fourteen teams.

  • Chris | August 6, 2008 at 2:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”283653″][quote comment=”283611″]“The ASG generally alternates AL/NL, but the two exceptions have been mentioned. Detroit wanted the ASG the same year as a milestone anniversary for the city, and the Yankees wanted to close out the Stadium with an ASG.”[/quote]

    Not really…the NL – when my math was last correct – has sixteen teams, the AL fourteen teams.[/quote]
    All that means is that if each team in either league got a turn with no repeats, when the AL went through their cycle, they would begin again, but the NL would still have two teams left, so there is no need for a repeat unless there is a milestone ahead, or something like that.

  • LI Phil | August 6, 2008 at 3:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”283653″][quote comment=”283611″]“The ASG generally alternates AL/NL, but the two exceptions have been mentioned. Detroit wanted the ASG the same year as a milestone anniversary for the city, and the Yankees wanted to close out the Stadium with an ASG.”[/quote]

    Not really…the NL – when my math was last correct – has sixteen teams, the AL fourteen teams.[/quote]

    and from 1977 through 1992, the AL had fourteen teams and the NL had twelve teams…

    still doesn’t explain why they needed to ‘go out of turn’ except for to celebrate the milestones…no big deal really

    /then there were those four years (i believe…’59-’62???) where there were two games, in 2 diff parks

  • Nick | August 6, 2008 at 3:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”283643″]

    the white b was an alternate cap in the late 90s i think. i want to say they had a white alternate cap that year too

    Correct. I want to say it was 1997, but it may have been 1996 or 1998. I couldn’t find a picture, but I have several baseball cards showing both the red hat with the white B and the white hat. In fact, I bought both of those hats when at Fenway that year.

    I want to say that the Red Sox ended up wearing the red alternate more often than the white cap, but I may be wrong.[/quote]

    I remember that as well, but I thought it was part of a promotion recognizing the Sox past uniforms (red caps from the ’70s, white from 1908-1932), though I could be wrong.

    Dressed to the Nines doesn’t show any alternates for the Sox in the ’90s so that’s no help. DttN also doesn’t show the 1908-32 caps as having any B at all, while I know the white caps they wore in the ’90s had a red B.

    Am I remembering the historical aspect of the promotion wrong or did the Sox goof their own throwback hats?

  • Ricko | August 6, 2008 at 3:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”283656″][quote comment=”283643″]

    the white b was an alternate cap in the late 90s i think. i want to say they had a white alternate cap that year too

    Correct. I want to say it was 1997, but it may have been 1996 or 1998. I couldn’t find a picture, but I have several baseball cards showing both the red hat with the white B and the white hat. In fact, I bought both of those hats when at Fenway that year.

    I want to say that the Red Sox ended up wearing the red alternate more often than the white cap, but I may be wrong.[/quote]

    I remember that as well, but I thought it was part of a promotion recognizing the Sox past uniforms (red caps from the ’70s, white from 1908-1932), though I could be wrong.

    Dressed to the Nines doesn’t show any alternates for the Sox in the ’90s so that’s no help. DttN also doesn’t show the 1908-32 caps as having any B at all, while I know the white caps they wore in the ’90s had a red B.

    Am I remembering the historical aspect of the promotion wrong or did the Sox goof their own throwback hats?[/quote]

    That was genetally around the time the Orioles, Royals and Pirates wore gray road hats, wasn’t it? Sort of the early days of the alternate cap era? Because neither the red nor white Red Sox hat was historically accurate, I always figured they were just quasi-“experimental” caps with virtually no throwback element. If they WERE throwbacks I think they’d have gotten it right. Isn’t there, like, a famous video of Carlton Fisk or somebody try to wave a ball fair they could have referenced?

    Duh.

  • Ricko | August 6, 2008 at 3:45 pm |

    “Duh” was meant as, I would hope they’d be that smart.

    Wasn’t in reference to your wondering about it.

    —Ricko

  • kj | August 6, 2008 at 3:59 pm |

    Upon further review, it seems that the IOC doesn’t allow the national governing bodies (such as the USSF) to have their logo on any Olympic items. Hence the different crests, or lack thereof.

    It remains to be seen if Argentina and Brazil are skirting the issue; the images I’ve seen haven’t been clear enough to judge, but they look quite similar to the AFA and CBF crests.

  • LI Phil | August 6, 2008 at 4:00 pm |

    [quote]That was genetally around the time the Orioles, Royals and Pirates wore gray road hats, wasn’t it?[/quote]

    wait…what?


    j/k ricko, i know what you meant

  • Ricko | August 6, 2008 at 4:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”283660″][quote]That was genetally around the time the Orioles, Royals and Pirates wore gray road hats, wasn’t it?[/quote]

    wait…what?


    j/k ricko, i know what you meant[/quote]

    Always say, if gonna make a typo, make it a good one.

    Have a Chicago Tribune clipping somewhere. A story by famous hockey writer Bob Verdi, wherein it says Chico Maki “launched his vaunted shit from the blue line.”

    Honest. Said that. Right there in the newspaper.

  • Nick | August 6, 2008 at 4:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”283657″] Isn’t there, like, a famous video of Carlton Fisk or somebody try to wave a ball fair they could have referenced?

    Duh.[/quote]

    That’s exactly why I find this so confusing. I can’t find a single image of a Sox player in a white B cap yet the hat exists and it seems too close to the authentic 1970s cap to be a marketing promotion.

    I don’t mean to insult the cap. I actualy prefer the white B to the blue B because it provides a cleaner, brighter contrast to the red background. I’m just wondering where the hell it came from.

  • Ricko | August 6, 2008 at 4:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”283662″][quote comment=”283657″] Isn’t there, like, a famous video of Carlton Fisk or somebody try to wave a ball fair they could have referenced?

    Duh.[/quote]

    That’s exactly why I find this so confusing. I can’t find a single image of a Sox player in a white B cap yet the hat exists and it seems too close to the authentic 1970s cap to be a marketing promotion.

    I don’t mean to insult the cap. I actualy prefer the white B to the blue B because it provides a cleaner, brighter contrast to the red background. I’m just wondering where the hell it came from.[/quote]

    I think they just made it up. They made up the white one, after all. A pair of new alternates: Navy visor, button and edge on letter. Then flip-flp the red and white.

  • Tony Miller | August 6, 2008 at 4:35 pm |

    Len Kasper just mentioned “Uni Watch Blog” by name on national TV, twice, referencing the transcript of his and Bob Brenly’s conversation re: Pirate unis.

  • Doug Vander Meulen | August 6, 2008 at 4:35 pm |

    Len Kasper is dropping crazy Uni Watch love on the Cubs Broadcast! 08.06.08 at 3:32pm…

    Bob isn’t as excited as Len is, he is mentioning the article that was posted a few days back…

  • JTH | August 6, 2008 at 4:35 pm |

    Len Kaspar (Cubs TV play-by-play man) just mentioned this blog. Yippee.

  • Forrest | August 6, 2008 at 4:37 pm |

    The WGN guys just referenced the blog and the button discussion. Too bad we’re down for the day!

  • JTH | August 6, 2008 at 4:37 pm |

    OK, I was late to the party with my comment, but at least I spelled Len’s last name correctly.

  • who cares | August 6, 2008 at 9:17 pm |

    ESPN provides pretty good evidence of the OKC Thunder.

    http://myespn.go.com...

  • Tony Miller | August 6, 2008 at 9:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”283669″]OK, I was late to the party with my comment, but at least I spelled Len’s last name correctly.[/quote]
    Wait, what?

  • Brian | August 6, 2008 at 11:28 pm |

    Here’s Nomar in the red hat with the blue brim and white B
    http://www.redsoxdie...

  • Brian | August 6, 2008 at 11:48 pm |

    Best pic I could find of the White Red Sox cap.
    http://i138.photobuc...

  • dhrsko2 | August 7, 2008 at 12:05 am |

    [quote comment=”283571″][quote comment=”283561″][quote comment=”283560″]to base home field advantage for the World Series on an exhibition game is ridiculous. It is just that an exhibition game…[/quote]

    And here’s something I’ve NEVER seen anyone else mention: The team with home-field advantage in the All-Star Game has a big advantage. That was evident this year, as the American League won in “walk-off” fashion. And how is ASG home field determined? It alternates every year. Just like the World Series home field used to do. I never saw anything wrong with that system, and I still don’t.[/quote]
    Agreed.
    Hell some years they don’t even alternate it.
    See 06 and 07.[/quote]

    just a guess, but i assumed this was so that yankee stadium could host in its final year

  • Eric B in KC | August 7, 2008 at 1:37 am |

    the ny jets website is already taking orders for brett favre jerseys

  • James Craven | August 7, 2008 at 1:47 am |

    And so does NFLShop.com as of 9 am today (8/7/07).

  • Brian | August 7, 2008 at 2:19 am |

    I can’t even imagine the number of Favre jerseys that will be sold this year.

  • Steven | August 7, 2008 at 7:02 am |

    US Forward Brian McBride lost a digit from his shirt during the furst Olympicg game. Went from 17 to 7 on the front of his shirt. Will look for photoin the morning.

  • MPowers1634 | August 7, 2008 at 7:11 am |

    [quote comment=”283674″]Here’s Nomar in the red hat with the blue brim and white B
    http://www.redsoxdie...

    That seems to be one of their batting practice caps!Look at the mesh.