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Memo to Obama and McCain: Skip the Bumper Stickers and Just Make a Bunch of These

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Uni Watch librarian Carrie Klein and I spent yesterday afternoon checking out this exhibit at the Museum of the City of New York, and my favorite item by far was the item shown above, described simply as a “McKinley/Hobart jacket, 1896.” Not quite a uniform, but definitely a close cousin. And as an enthusiastic bowler, I was amused to see this (sorry about the shitty image quality — camera phone and all).

This is the same museum, by the way, that featured this baseball exhibit last summer (which I wrote about here). They stocked their gift shop with all sorts of baseball books when that exhibit was up, but lots of copies apparently didn’t sell, and now they’re unloading all sorts of great titles for 75% off. Live in NYC and want a copy of Moneyball or Nine Innings for three bucks and change? This is the place. I got this for $7.50, plus there was a massive coffee table book about stadiums that I totally would’ve bought except it was too heavy to lug around for the rest of the day.

New ESPN column today (fifth one this month, don’tcha know) — here’s the link.

Uni Watch News Ticker: This is pretty cool (with thanks to Michael Pinta). … In response to yesterday’s query about whether Marc Sagmoen was the only player to have his number retired after playing one game, Kent Foster, Matt Dubroff, and Mike Vanne all pointed out that Travis Roy of the Boston University Terriers hockey team had his No. 24 retired after playing only one game. During that game, 11 seconds into his first shift, he was paralyzed and never played again. … Richard Stover reports that several of the uniform illustrations The First 50 Years (featured in yesterday’s entry) were also featured on this poster in 1970. “I have a copy from my youth,” he writes, “but of course I had to draw in a ’19’ on the Chargers’ helmet, and some other notes elsewhere in the poster.” … Speaking of The First 50 Years, there’s a deluxe edition of the book, which includes a two LPs, a commemorative coin, and a poster (not the one I just linked to), and it’ll only set you back a cool grand (with thanks to Brinke Guthrie). … Yesterday’s post also featured a link to this early Redskins photo, which prompted Brian Codagnone to report that the Sports Museum in Boston (where he serves as associate curator) has one of those early ’Skins sweaters on display. … The Jets will wear Titans throwbacks for their home opener, plus they’ll be wearing a Super Bowl anniversary patch on October 26th. … Finally got a good shot of Lou Piniella still wearing his All-Star Game patch (big thanks to Mark Snyder). … Back in this site’s early days, I wrote about Kenji Johjima wearing that rubber doohickey on his catcher’s helmet to help keep his mask’s strap in place. But here’s something he wasn’t doing back then: He’s added the M’s logo to his brim (with thanks to Kevin Zdancewicz). … “My brother is just finishing a degree at Lehigh, and I made the drive out to see him just a couple weeks ago,” writes Burrill Strong. “As part of our walk around the (gorgeous) campus, we went into their small athletic hall of fame, and a banner celebrating an undefeated football season nearly 60 years ago caught my eye because it featured Lehigh’s old mascot. Their athletic teams are now known as the Mountain Hawks, but before that, thanks to their strong engineering school, they were known as the Engineers, and their old engineer mascot logo immediately put a smile on my face. Sadly, as far as I can tell, the university doesn’t even sell retro shirts with the engineer; he’s pretty much relegated to the banners in the hall of fame.” … As usual, when someone recommends a soccer-related uni site, I can never remember if I’ve linked to it before, but just in case: Michael Doucette says this site is doing a good job of documenting all of the season’s new uni releases as they happen. … Attention footwear mavens: This page breaks down all of the U.S. Olympic track and field qualifiers by event and shoe brand (nice find by Jonathan Cain). … Dan Snider notes that John Maine is once again wearing his cap over his ears, a phenomenon we first discussed a few months ago. … Andrew Habermehl confirms that BU’s 100th-anniversary hoops logo will indeed be worn as a jersey patch this season. … Jere Smith sent along this shot, which I saw as a kid but had forgotten about. “Looks like he was on the Alabama football team,” says Jere. I’ve asked the Cardinals Hall of Fame if they can tell us more about that big helmet number. … Reprinted from yesterday’s comments: Jack Wilson switched to high cuffs and says it helped him break out of his slump.

 

170 comments to Memo to Obama and McCain: Skip the Bumper Stickers and Just Make a Bunch of These

  • Frank from B-more | July 24, 2008 at 9:26 am |

    Good throwback game last night between the O’s and the Jays (interupted by rain unfortunately). O’s wore the ’83 polyesters and Jays had the powder blues on. Looked like the O’s fixed the batting helmet issue that plagued them during the ’71 throwback game.

  • Alan #44 | July 24, 2008 at 9:26 am |

    My buddy Duff pointed out to me that during last night’s Met game John Maine’s hat was covering his ears. Anybody ever notice anything like that before?

  • Jim | July 24, 2008 at 9:29 am |

    Why are the Jets wearing the Superbowl Patch in October, and for only one week?

  • Kevin | July 24, 2008 at 9:34 am |

    [quote comment=”281614″]My buddy Duff pointed out to me that during last night’s Met game John Maine’s hat was covering his ears. Anybody ever notice anything like that before?[/quote]

    Read the ticker dude…

  • Marc M. | July 24, 2008 at 9:35 am |

    [quote comment=”281614″]My buddy Duff pointed out to me that during last night’s Met game John Maine’s hat was covering his ears. Anybody ever notice anything like that before?[/quote]
    No, no one noticed.

  • Alan #44 | July 24, 2008 at 9:35 am |

    [quote comment=”281615″]Why are the Jets wearing the Superbowl Patch in October, and for only one week?[/quote]
    Probably because they suck so much, and it would be an insult to the Super Bowl team to wear it for the whole season.

  • Alan #44 | July 24, 2008 at 9:37 am |

    [quote comment=”281616″][quote comment=”281614″]My buddy Duff pointed out to me that during last night’s Met game John Maine’s hat was covering his ears. Anybody ever notice anything like that before?[/quote]

    Read the ticker dude…[/quote]

    Oops. (embarrassed)

  • JessMan | July 24, 2008 at 9:40 am |

    SWEET throwbacks that the O’s wore last night. They are continuing the game today at 12:35, I wonder if they’ll wear the same uni’s. the Blue Jays powder blue duds look like crappy pajamas or a little league team. NNOB and a centered logo on the front? Feh! P.S. Anyone notice the REAL orange stirrups Ramon Hernandez and co. were wearing?

  • Nicole | July 24, 2008 at 9:41 am |

    I put this in last night’s comments, but it was late and it’s been brought up a lot here, so I wanted to make sure everyone saw it:

    So they finally explained during tonight’s broadcast why the Brewers untuck their shirts after a win …

    Apparently Mike Cameron started it as a tribute to his dad. When his dad came home from a hard days’ work the first thing he’d do is untuck his shirt and kick off his shoes.

    The rest of the team thought it was a nice gesture and picked it up, so they do it as a tribute to their dads. They can’t exactly kick off their shoes, but if they win, they untuck their jerseys.

    Kind of like “We came out and got the job. Good day’s work, time to go relax.”

    Another commenter found picks of Cameron untucking with every team he’s been with – check out the end of last night’s comments.

  • random reader | July 24, 2008 at 9:48 am |

    [quote comment=”281620″]SWEET throwbacks that the O’s wore last night. They are continuing the game today at 12:35, I wonder if they’ll wear the same uni’s. the Blue Jays powder blue duds look like crappy pajamas or a little league team. NNOB and a centered logo on the front? Feh! P.S. Anyone notice the REAL orange stirrups Ramon Hernandez and co. were wearing?[/quote]

    At least those throwback Jays unis were actually worn on the road and not at home

  • LL | July 24, 2008 at 9:48 am |

    Check out this meeting of all-star uniforms, strange helmet designs and stickers.

    http://www.paloaltod...

  • mike | July 24, 2008 at 9:55 am |

    VA Tech’s alternate jerseys? http://www.footballf...

  • Moe | July 24, 2008 at 9:55 am |

    I read a weekly column on the Rogers website where people write in and ask questions and “The Answer Man” answers them. I thought some of you might be interested in reading a question about baseball pants that appears in this week’s column

    http://yahoo.rogers....

  • Joe Hilseberg | July 24, 2008 at 9:58 am |

    [quote comment=”281620″]SWEET throwbacks that the O’s wore last night. They are continuing the game today at 12:35, I wonder if they’ll wear the same uni’s. the Blue Jays powder blue duds look like crappy pajamas or a little league team. NNOB and a centered logo on the front? Feh! P.S. Anyone notice the REAL orange stirrups Ramon Hernandez and co. were wearing?[/quote]

    And Gary Roenicke actually came up to me and said “This is the sweetest jersey here!” And then proceeded to sign my 1983 Orange Roenicke jersey for me!

  • MPowers1634 | July 24, 2008 at 9:58 am |

    [quote comment=”281623″]Check out this meeting of all-star uniforms, strange helmet designs and stickers.

    http://www.paloaltod...

    LL, are those pics from a High School All Star Game?

    The first thing that I noticed is that the tackler’s main? logo looks like the Eagles’ old wings, more closely, those of the Rice Owls!

    Also, on the ballcarriers left side, there is a modified Oregon logo, probably used for a high school.

    Along the center stipe of his helmet, there is a wordmark of South.

    The TV number is very interesting on the ballcarrier, simply a red outline uppon the jersey, however, the tackler doesn’t have any.

    Most interesting to me is the tacklers’ choice of helmet:

    Schutt DNA, with the “Bulldog” facemask that LeVar Arrington and Lorenzo Neal were the first players to wear.

    That mask was part of the “motocross” inspired line made by Schutt!

  • Tim F. | July 24, 2008 at 10:01 am |

    From the Jets throwback article:
    “In addition to the ’08 home opener, New York’s AFC representative will also don the blue jerseys and gold pants — replicas of the uniforms the New York Titans wore, with some modifications, from 1960-62 — in their third home contest, a post-bye Oct. 12 showdown with the Cincinnati Bengals.”

    Fingers crossed for Bengals throwbacks!

  • Joe Hilseberg | July 24, 2008 at 10:02 am |

    Best part about the O’s correct helmets was that they used the “fatter” bird head that is more period accurate!

    http://farm2.static....

  • Michael | July 24, 2008 at 10:07 am |

    I’m a Lehigh Alum and we were still the engineers when I was there (The mascot switched to the Mountain Hawk sometime around ’92 or ’93.) The School wanted to get away from being thought of as only an Engineering school and had a vote to change the mascot. All of the ideas sucked (IMHO). There also used to be a Train Engineer mascot. Looks like the student population also wants to do away with the awful Mountain hawk. Unfortunatly, I can’t readily find any pics of the old mascot.

  • War Damn Eagle | July 24, 2008 at 10:11 am |

    So that Oct. 26 Jets-Chiefs game will feature two teams wearing patches with the old AFL logo: Jets’ anniversary patch and Chiefs’ Lamar Hunt patch. Interesting.

  • Boston Nick | July 24, 2008 at 10:13 am |

    A little more background on Travis Roy. His jersey is actually the only one in BU hockey history to be retired. Apparently, Shawn McEachern once asked Coach Jack Parker if he was gonna retire Mac’s no. 15, and Jack said, ‘if we ever retire that number, it’s gonna be for three-time All American Rick Meagher, Shawn.’

    But considering the guys who have played at BU (Eruzione, Craig, Silk, O’Callahan, McEachern, Amonte, Tkachuk, Drury, Pandolfo, Grier most notably), I can’t see them ever retiring another number except perhaps the no. 6 that Parker wore as a player at BU.

  • LI Phil | July 24, 2008 at 10:16 am |

    [quote comment=”281621″]I put this in last night’s comments, but it was late and it’s been brought up a lot here, so I wanted to make sure everyone saw it:

    So they finally explained during tonight’s broadcast why the Brewers untuck their shirts after a win …

    Apparently Mike Cameron started it as a tribute to his dad. When his dad came home from a hard days’ work the first thing he’d do is untuck his shirt and kick off his shoes.

    The rest of the team thought it was a nice gesture and picked it up, so they do it as a tribute to their dads. They can’t exactly kick off their shoes, but if they win, they untuck their jerseys.

    Kind of like “We came out and got the job. Good day’s work, time to go relax.”

    Another commenter found picks of Cameron untucking with every team he’s been with – check out the end of last night’s comments.[/quote]

    indeed.

    you can follow the comment trail here beginning with nicole’s post, and several after

    i found several pics of mike cameron untucking his jersey with the mets, pads and m’s (links in the thread) if anyone is interested in seeing the phenomenon

  • MPowers1634 | July 24, 2008 at 10:20 am |

    [quote comment=”281630″]I’m a Lehigh Alum and we were still the engineers when I was there (The mascot switched to the Mountain Hawk sometime around ’92 or ’93.) The School wanted to get away from being thought of as only an Engineering school and had a vote to change the mascot. All of the ideas sucked (IMHO). There also used to be a Train Engineer mascot. Looks like the student population also wants to do away with the awful Mountain hawk. Unfortunatly, I can’t readily find any pics of the old mascot.[/quote]

    Screenprinting Question:

    Conceivably, it would be possible to take this graphic:

    http://burrillstrong...

    to a screenprinter and simply use the computer to output the image onto a tee?

    Is that feasible, or no?

  • Ricko | July 24, 2008 at 10:23 am |

    [quote comment=”281628″]From the Jets throwback article:
    “In addition to the ’08 home opener, New York’s AFC representative will also don the blue jerseys and gold pants — replicas of the uniforms the New York Titans wore, with some modifications, from 1960-62 — in their third home contest, a post-bye Oct. 12 showdown with the Cincinnati Bengals.”

    Fingers crossed for Bengals throwbacks![/quote]

    Jets did a great job on those Titans unis…just too bad the gold isn’t as light-colored as it actually was in ’61-’62. The ’60 team, with much plainer unis (no shouler loops, no white on unis at all), wore that darker old gold. Still, though, fun to see, because they are—all things considered and comepared to many of the other throwbacks—very accurate.

    And, yeah, would be fun to see “BENGALS” on the side of a plain orange helmet and TV-less jerseys with simple sleeve striping again…especially when you consider their current jumbled monstrosities.

  • Johnny O | July 24, 2008 at 10:24 am |

    [quote comment=”281618″][quote comment=”281615″]Why are the Jets wearing the Superbowl Patch in October, and for only one week?[/quote]
    Probably because they suck so much, and it would be an insult to the Super Bowl team to wear it for the whole season.[/quote]

    It’s the same exact reason the Brewers celebrated their World Series LOSS in 1982 last season with a Silver anniversary patch… we don’t have much to celebrate in Brew City as far as championships go, so we have to celebrate something. (I know, I know, the Silver Anniversary last year was to celebrate their AL Title, but you get what I’m saying)

  • Paul Lukas | July 24, 2008 at 10:26 am |

    Today’s ESPN column, which some of you know how to find, is NOT final. Several important additions and adjustments still being made. Don’t bother reading it yet — you’ll just have to go back and read it again.

  • Greg V. | July 24, 2008 at 10:26 am |

    [quote comment=”281628″]From the Jets throwback article:
    “In addition to the ’08 home opener, New York’s AFC representative will also don the blue jerseys and gold pants — replicas of the uniforms the New York Titans wore, with some modifications, from 1960-62 — in their third home contest, a post-bye Oct. 12 showdown with the Cincinnati Bengals.”

    Fingers crossed for Bengals throwbacks![/quote]

    Sadly, the league will not allow Bengals throwbacks. They can only wear one alternate jersey twice per season and the Bengals still have those orange alts. It will be a few more years until any uniform changes are allowed.

  • MPowers1634 | July 24, 2008 at 10:26 am |

    To echo what evryone was saying about Cameron last night, he played in the Cape Cod Baseball League for my hometown Orleans Cardinals.

    He was a kid that when in the on-deck circle, you could always go up to the fence and wish him good luck, and receive a thanks, or hello, or sincere response from!

    The only other player that I liked as much as him in a Cardinals uniform was Nomar! And that’s saying something!

  • LL | July 24, 2008 at 10:26 am |

    [quote comment=”281627″][quote comment=”281623″]Check out this meeting of all-star uniforms, strange helmet designs and stickers.

    http://www.paloaltod...

    LL, are those pics from a High School All Star Game?

    The first thing that I noticed is that the tackler’s main? logo looks like the Eagles’ old wings, more closely, those of the Rice Owls!

    Also, on the ballcarriers left side, there is a modified Oregon logo, probably used for a high school.

    Along the center stipe of his helmet, there is a wordmark of South.

    The TV number is very interesting on the ballcarrier, simply a red outline uppon the jersey, however, the tackler doesn’t have any.

    Most interesting to me is the tacklers’ choice of helmet:

    Schutt DNA, with the “Bulldog” facemask that LeVar Arrington and Lorenzo Neal were the first players to wear.

    That mask was part of the “motocross” inspired line made by Schutt![/quote]

    Yes indeed it is a photo from a high school all star game that took place yesterday. It’s called the Charlie Wedemeyer All-Star Classic and it’s held at San Jose State. More info on it here:
    http://www.paloaltod...

  • LL | July 24, 2008 at 10:35 am |

    It’s also funny about the Charlie Wedemeyer game that players wear their own high school team’s pants with the all-star jersey making for a very colorful display, like this one:
    http://www.youthclas...

    Also there are photos from the practices in which all players are wearing their whole high school uniforms so there are some interesting collections on the field:
    http://www.youthclas...

    Lots of photos on the game’s official site:
    http://www.youthclas...

  • Paul Lukas | July 24, 2008 at 10:36 am |

    OK, the ESPN column is now good to go:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    I’m off to catch the Mets/Phils game (please do an anti-rain dance for me). See you tomorrow.

  • Perry | July 24, 2008 at 10:39 am |

    From that Football Shirts site you linked to in the ticker:

    “[Liverpool’s new third jersey] has the classic white Adidas stripes on the shoulders…”

    Where does referring to a manufacturer’s logo as “classic” rank among signs of the impending apocalypse?

  • LI Phil | July 24, 2008 at 10:49 am |

    [quote comment=”281644″]From that Football Shirts site you linked to in the ticker:

    “[Liverpool’s new third jersey] has the classic white Adidas stripes on the shoulders…”

    Where does referring to a manufacturer’s logo as “classic” rank among signs of the impending apocalypse?[/quote]

    right up there

    …and shit, the 3 stripes aren’t even their freakin logo per se, but they are (probably) a patented design element

    feh

  • Christopher | July 24, 2008 at 10:51 am |

    I know there isn’t a lot of NASCAR talk here, but Tony Stewart is unveiling his new number, car, and paint scheme tomorrow in a press conference.

    Rumor has it he’ll be sponsored by Office Depot and take #14.

  • chance | July 24, 2008 at 10:54 am |

    [quote comment=”281639″][quote comment=”281628″]From the Jets throwback article:
    “In addition to the ’08 home opener, New York’s AFC representative will also don the blue jerseys and gold pants — replicas of the uniforms the New York Titans wore, with some modifications, from 1960-62 — in their third home contest, a post-bye Oct. 12 showdown with the Cincinnati Bengals.”

    Fingers crossed for Bengals throwbacks![/quote]

    Sadly, the league will not allow Bengals throwbacks. They can only wear one alternate jersey twice per season and the Bengals still have those orange alts.[/quote]

    Then it’s not about the league “not allowing” Bengals throwbacks, but the Bengals deciding to do something other than throwbacks.

  • Geeman | July 24, 2008 at 10:55 am |

    [quote comment=”281626″][quote comment=”281620″]SWEET throwbacks that the O’s wore last night. They are continuing the game today at 12:35, I wonder if they’ll wear the same uni’s. the Blue Jays powder blue duds look like crappy pajamas or a little league team. NNOB and a centered logo on the front? Feh! P.S. Anyone notice the REAL orange stirrups Ramon Hernandez and co. were wearing?[/quote]

    And Gary Roenicke actually came up to me and said “This is the sweetest jersey here!” And then proceeded to sign my 1983 Orange Roenicke jersey for me![/quote]
    But according to the Okonen book and the Hall web site, the O’s didn’t wear orange in ’83.

  • Geeman | July 24, 2008 at 10:56 am |

    [quote comment=”281629″]Best part about the O’s correct helmets was that they used the “fatter” bird head that is more period accurate!

    http://farm2.static....
    When they did the throwback to 1975 orange, they wore the right caps (orange front) but stuck with the current helmets, which was weak.

  • Geeman | July 24, 2008 at 10:56 am |

    [quote comment=”281649″][quote comment=”281629″]Best part about the O’s correct helmets was that they used the “fatter” bird head that is more period accurate!

    http://farm2.static....
    When they did the throwback to 1975 orange, they wore the right caps (orange front) but stuck with the current helmets, which was weak.[/quote]
    That throwback was in 2004.

  • War Damn Eagle | July 24, 2008 at 10:57 am |

    [quote comment=”281646″]I know there isn’t a lot of NASCAR talk here, but Tony Stewart is unveiling his new number, car, and paint scheme tomorrow in a press conference.

    Rumor has it he’ll be sponsored by Office Depot and take #14.[/quote]

    “This sticker is dangerous and inconvenient, but I do love Fig Newtons.”

  • Urban Runoff | July 24, 2008 at 10:57 am |

    The Jets never should have let the carpetbagging Oilers steal a bit of their past (the name, not the colors). It’s been 40 years since the Jets won the Super Bowl. Man, I’m old. –Runoff

  • Jonathan Sluss | July 24, 2008 at 10:59 am |

    [quote comment=”281624″]VA Tech’s alternate jerseys? http://www.footballf...

    Not likely, Nike (kaching, kaching!) has made orange replicas of it’s previous VT designs to sell but have never been put on the field. The last time they wore either orange jerseys or orange pants was the same game in 1994 against UVa and were humiliated 42-23. Beamer has stated many times that orange will never return as a jersey color at Virginia Tech. He allegedly had those jerseys burned after the game.

  • BGJ | July 24, 2008 at 11:01 am |

    I’ve had about enough of home fans booing their players during games. That’s about the most god-awful show of sportsmanship – I’d like to see the out-of-shape idiots in the stands try to get out there and play.

  • Ricko | July 24, 2008 at 11:03 am |

    In Paul’s ESPN column today mention is made of the all the ’74 Phillies’ All-Stars earing white shoes for the game, and perhaps at least one regular season game thereafter.

    The Phillies, of coure, later all wore white shoes for an entire season (’76, maybe?).

    So (and this isn’t about liking or disliking white shoes), what teams were “One Season White Shoes Wonders”?

    I know of the Phillies, Angels (one of the seasons F.Robinson was there) and Senators (in ’71 D.C. swansong).

    Any others?

  • Robert | July 24, 2008 at 11:04 am |

    Great ESPN column. Joe Morgan is such a putz. The Reds have been my favorite team for 38 years, but I have NEVER been able to stand that guy.

  • u2-horn | July 24, 2008 at 11:07 am |

    [quote comment=”281645″]

    …and shit, the 3 stripes aren’t even their freakin logo per se, but they are (probably) a patented design element

    feh[/quote]

    Um, of course they are.

    http://worldsbestlog...

  • Michael Doucette | July 24, 2008 at 11:09 am |

    [quote comment=”281644″]From that Football Shirts site you linked to in the ticker:

    “[Liverpool’s new third jersey] has the classic white Adidas stripes on the shoulders…”

    Where does referring to a manufacturer’s logo as “classic” rank among signs of the impending apocalypse?[/quote]

    Even though it does seem sacrelig, I have to agree with that sentence. The three stripes running down the shoulders and sleeves have really become such a mainstay in football jerseys, for a while now too. When I think of certain teams, like modern day Liverpool, I think the 3 Adidas stripes. Same with many clubs who share the stripes. If it’s not classic now, it most def will be when all’s said and done.

  • Robert | July 24, 2008 at 11:12 am |

    [quote comment=”281646″]I know there isn’t a lot of NASCAR talk here, but Tony Stewart is unveiling his new number, car, and paint scheme tomorrow in a press conference.

    Rumor has it he’ll be sponsored by Office Depot and take #14.[/quote]

    Wow, this early? I am somewhat surprised that he is being permitted to do so at this early stage.

  • u2-horn | July 24, 2008 at 11:15 am |

    [quote comment=”281643″]OK, the ESPN column is now good to go:
    http://sports.espn.g...
    [/quote]
    So what exactly wasn’t accurate about the throwback Brewers jersey?

    http://mlb.mlb.com/m...

  • Kek | July 24, 2008 at 11:31 am |

    [quote comment=”281645″][quote comment=”281644″]From that Football Shirts site you linked to in the ticker:

    “[Liverpool’s new third jersey] has the classic white Adidas stripes on the shoulders…”

    Where does referring to a manufacturer’s logo as “classic” rank among signs of the impending apocalypse?[/quote]

    right up there

    …and shit, the 3 stripes aren’t even their freakin logo per se, but they are (probably) a patented design element

    feh[/quote]
    Couple things: no the stripes themselves aren’t their logo but three stripes are incorporated into both the current and classic logos:

    http://en.wikipedia....
    http://en.wikipedia....

    Also, there were items that were branded with the slogan: Adidas the brand with three stripes. When you think of Adidas, you think of three stripes.

    Now, taking the “logo creep” blinders off for a second. I’m not sure how you CAN’T refer to the Adidas design as classic. Classic in the sense of iconic, in the sense of instant recognition, etc. If it’s a retro style, then referring to it as classic is fine. I’m sure in many parts of Europe, the three-stripe design was a template for teams throughout the 70s and 80s.

    I’ve said for a long time that the three stripes on shorts and shoulders is a far worse case of logo creep than randomly placed swooshes but it seems to have fallen on deaf ears with all the anti-Nike peeps in here. Adidas took their main design element and incorporated in the design and styling of a uniform. Outside of what I’ve said of the Broncos in the past (the pants stripes were said to have been swoosh-inspired and there appears to be a swoosh in the horse logo) I can’t recall the swoosh being part of design element of a uniform.

    Maybe because soccer isn’t on the forefront to Americans, this has been swept under the rug. I’m sure some of you logo creeps would yell foul play of an American football team or baseball team incorporated a three-stripe Adidas motif.

  • SWC Susan (aka Tex) | July 24, 2008 at 11:31 am |

    [quote comment=”281646″]I know there isn’t a lot of NASCAR talk here, but Tony Stewart is unveiling his new number, car, and paint scheme tomorrow in a press conference.

    Rumor has it he’ll be sponsored by Office Depot and take #14.[/quote]

    Wonder if they will get rid of the Tony Stewart coke machines at Home Depot, and how quickly…

  • LI Phil | July 24, 2008 at 11:31 am |

    [quote comment=”281657″][quote comment=”281645″]

    …and shit, the 3 stripes aren’t even their freakin logo per se, but they are (probably) a patented design element

    feh[/quote]

    Um, of course they are.

    http://worldsbestlog...

    well…yes… this is a logo with 3 stripes built in…

    im talking about 3 stripes on the kit, not the chest logo…

    or…

    anywhere else
    on the uni
    the 3 stripes
    get stuck

    THOSE stripes are not a logo, to me anyway…but more of a design element

  • Banker Bill | July 24, 2008 at 11:32 am |

    After reading the ESPN column, who else ISN’T surprised that Joe Morgan would be the complainer, and that Gary Carter would have something to say as well. Stevie Wonder saw those things coming….

  • LI Phil | July 24, 2008 at 11:33 am |

    well said douggie!

  • SWC Susan (aka Tex) | July 24, 2008 at 11:36 am |

    I have not been reading ALL of the comments lately, but havethe Mets been wearing the 4th of July caps this whole time?

  • Robert | July 24, 2008 at 11:41 am |

    [quote comment=”281662″][quote comment=”281646″]I know there isn’t a lot of NASCAR talk here, but Tony Stewart is unveiling his new number, car, and paint scheme tomorrow in a press conference.

    Rumor has it he’ll be sponsored by Office Depot and take #14.[/quote]

    Wonder if they will get rid of the Tony Stewart coke machines at Home Depot, and how quickly…[/quote]

    Most of them are in need of replacement anyway. While at a Home Depot a few weeks ago, I pointed out to my wife that the beat-up Coke machine must be ancient, because the Tony Stewart depicted was thin and clean-shaven.

  • lwiedy | July 24, 2008 at 11:43 am |

    [quote comment=”281655″]In Paul’s ESPN column today mention is made of the all the ’74 Phillies’ All-Stars earing white shoes for the game, and perhaps at least one regular season game thereafter.

    The Phillies, of course, later all wore white shoes for an entire season (’76, maybe?).

    So (and this isn’t about liking or disliking white shoes), what teams were “One Season White Shoes Wonders”?

    I know of the Phillies, Angels (one of the seasons F.Robinson was there) and Senators (in ’71 D.C. swansong).[/quote]

    Phils in ’75, Angels in ’74.

  • Kek | July 24, 2008 at 11:47 am |

    [quote comment=”281656″]Great ESPN column. Joe Morgan is such a putz. The Reds have been my favorite team for 38 years, but I have NEVER been able to stand that guy.[/quote]
    I know Joe Morgan-hating has become somewhat of a cult pasttime but I’m the rare bird that isn’t really bothered by the guy. I guess I just tune him out….oh….and the fact that my Pirates haven’t appeared on Sunday Night Baseball since ’96 (I was there and I made a banner with ESPN spelling out
    Everyone knowS the Pirates Need Neagle

    How lame!!! It was in the context that I believe the trade deadline was looming and the Pirates were getting ready for their annual firesale and Denny Neagle was rumored to be up for trade….

    but i digress, anyway, back to Morgan. All of the above being said, those quotes are nonsense. Paul, were those quotes from source material or did you interview Morgan. If so, I hope it was by phone and not face-to-face because I would have found it hard not to smirk or roll my eyes.

    Let me get this straight, did Dave Parker make up for wearing a mask by switching to sneakers? In other words, the most dangerous part of the baseball uniform are metal spikes. Also, how many times is sliding players head coming in contact with the middle infielder? Did Morgan forget that guys normally don’t break up double plays sliding head first!!!

    Parker was a big, physical presence and mask or not, he had to have middle infielders all around the NL on their toes and I can’t see the mask worrying them any more/less.

  • Teebz | July 24, 2008 at 11:49 am |

    [quote comment=”281654″]I’ve had about enough of home fans booing their players during games. That’s about the most god-awful show of sportsmanship – I’d like to see the out-of-shape idiots in the stands try to get out there and play.[/quote]

    As a fan, it is my right to boo someone when I am paying for their work as an entertainer and they fail miserably. These people are professionals, and should perform to the highest standard night in and night out with no questions asked. The obscene amounts of money that pro athletes make compared to blue-collar Joe makes them accountable to the people lining their pockets with greenbacks.

    I understand that people may have a bad day/night/whatever, but it’s the same as booing a crappy theatre performance or a terrible stand-up comedian.

    I paid to be entertained. The athlete took my money with the understanding that he’s entertaining me to the best level that he can. If he can’t handle it, give me my money back or get the hell outta Dodge.

  • Kek | July 24, 2008 at 11:50 am |

    [quote comment=”281668″][quote comment=”281655″]In Paul’s ESPN column today mention is made of the all the ’74 Phillies’ All-Stars earing white shoes for the game, and perhaps at least one regular season game thereafter.

    The Phillies, of course, later all wore white shoes for an entire season (’76, maybe?).

    So (and this isn’t about liking or disliking white shoes), what teams were “One Season White Shoes Wonders”?

    I know of the Phillies, Angels (one of the seasons F.Robinson was there) and Senators (in ’71 D.C. swansong).[/quote]

    Phils in ’75, Angels in ’74.[/quote]
    Did the Giants do the white with orange sanis just one year?

  • Burrill Strong | July 24, 2008 at 11:51 am |

    On the Lehigh topic:

    1)I would be so happy if they dropped the Mountain Hawk and went back to the Engineer. What really irritates me about the whole thing is that the old mascot wasn’t demeaning or offensive, and even more importantly, it had incredibly important significance in the history of the university. That made it a more worthwhile mascot than most, and yet they decided to cast it aside. IMO, that’s a mistake that needs to be fixed sooner rather than later.

    2)As far as the shirt printing, that was actually why I put together the graphic that was linked in the ticker (though that’s scaled down a bit); as far as I can tell, Lehigh just doesn’t offer merchandise featuring the engineer, so I figured I would just do it on my own. The photographs I got of the engineer weren’t really suitable for printing, so I had to clean them up a bit (from this and this to this).

    Also, on the topic of high school football all-star games: I’ve photographed Michigan’s all-star game for the last couple years, and yeah, some of the guys tend to turn their helmets into real messes with different decals all over the place, and the uniforms are never particularly remarkable.

  • Kek | July 24, 2008 at 11:55 am |

    [quote comment=”281670″][quote comment=”281654″]I’ve had about enough of home fans booing their players during games. That’s about the most god-awful show of sportsmanship – I’d like to see the out-of-shape idiots in the stands try to get out there and play.[/quote]

    As a fan, it is my right to boo someone when I am paying for their work as an entertainer and they fail miserably. These people are professionals, and should perform to the highest standard night in and night out with no questions asked. The obscene amounts of money that pro athletes make compared to blue-collar Joe makes them accountable to the people lining their pockets with greenbacks.

    I understand that people may have a bad day/night/whatever, but it’s the same as booing a crappy theatre performance or a terrible stand-up comedian.

    I paid to be entertained. The athlete took my money with the understanding that he’s entertaining me to the best level that he can. If he can’t handle it, give me my money back or get the hell outta Dodge.[/quote]
    Forgive me if I missed the obvious but what context is this original comment made in because it seems out of left field.

    Did I miss something in the ticker?

  • LI Phil | July 24, 2008 at 12:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”281670″][quote comment=”281654″]I’ve had about enough of home fans booing their players during games. That’s about the most god-awful show of sportsmanship – I’d like to see the out-of-shape idiots in the stands try to get out there and play.[/quote]

    As a fan, it is my right to boo someone when I am paying for their work as an entertainer and they fail miserably. These people are professionals, and should perform to the highest standard night in and night out with no questions asked. The obscene amounts of money that pro athletes make compared to blue-collar Joe makes them accountable to the people lining their pockets with greenbacks.

    I understand that people may have a bad day/night/whatever, but it’s the same as booing a crappy theatre performance or a terrible stand-up comedian.

    I paid to be entertained. The athlete took my money with the understanding that he’s entertaining me to the best level that he can. If he can’t handle it, give me my money back or get the hell outta Dodge.[/quote]

    gotta agree with teebz, here…for the most part

    i do think paying fans have every right to boo (or cheer, raz, scream [with moderate profanity, especially when kids are present], yell, etc. etc. etc.) if their player fails to perform…some fans (read: certain cities who also boo santa claus) may take it to the extreme…other cities’ fans (where a large arch is, for example) will most likely NEVER boo their own…different strokes for different folks

    as long as they’re not throwing batteries (im talking to you ny’ers), syringes (fans in cities not named san francisco everywhere baroid played) or other crap like beer or bottles, i think fans have the right to express their disdain at the opponent as well

    while i agree it’s OK to applaud a stellar play or good defensive effort by an opponent, tho…

    i completely disagree with those (im talking to you, 1997 cubs) who shake a players hand as he rounds the bases after taking steve trachsel deep and then coming off the field and hugging the guy (or was sammy secretly exchanging cash for andro???)…

  • James Craven | July 24, 2008 at 12:10 pm |

    How could you forget 25 years ago today?

    You know, pine tar, George Brett? Obvious oversight in the uni biz.

  • LarenR | July 24, 2008 at 12:11 pm |

    Re: Stripes and logo creep.

    When is it a design element and when is it logo creep? The general consensus around here is “stripes good, logos bad,” and I tend to agree. I know that adidas is “The Brand With the Three Stripes (R)” (and it says so right on the front of an old t-shirt I have), but I like the stripes on the shoulders and they look great down the side of the shorts. I mean, if it were two or four stripes, most of you would be cheering.

    I say, “Stripes is stripes is stripes, and stripes are good…”

  • Greg V. | July 24, 2008 at 12:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”281647″][quote comment=”281639″][quote comment=”281628″]From the Jets throwback article:
    “In addition to the ’08 home opener, New York’s AFC representative will also don the blue jerseys and gold pants — replicas of the uniforms the New York Titans wore, with some modifications, from 1960-62 — in their third home contest, a post-bye Oct. 12 showdown with the Cincinnati Bengals.”

    Fingers crossed for Bengals throwbacks![/quote]

    Sadly, the league will not allow Bengals throwbacks. They can only wear one alternate jersey twice per season and the Bengals still have those orange alts.[/quote]

    Then it’s not about the league “not allowing” Bengals throwbacks, but the Bengals deciding to do something other than throwbacks.[/quote]

    Uniform cycles are required by the league to at least be 5 years long. The new uniforms, with the orange alts, debuted in 2004. What i meant was the league will not allow the Bengals to change uniform designs, to possibly include a throwback, until at least 2009.

  • Teebz | July 24, 2008 at 12:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”281674″]
    gotta agree with teebz, here…for the most part

    i do think paying fans have every right to boo (or cheer, raz, scream [with moderate profanity, especially when kids are present], yell, etc. etc. etc.) if their player fails to perform…some fans (read: certain cities who also boo santa claus) may take it to the extreme…other cities’ fans (where a large arch is, for example) will most likely NEVER boo their own…different strokes for different folks

    as long as they’re not throwing batteries (im talking to you ny’ers), syringes (fans in cities not named san francisco everywhere baroid played) or other crap like beer or bottles, i think fans have the right to express their disdain at the opponent as well

    while i agree it’s OK to applaud a stellar play or good defensive effort by an opponent, tho…

    i completely disagree with those (im talking to you, 1997 cubs) who shake a players hand as he rounds the bases after taking steve trachsel deep and then coming off the field and hugging the guy (or was sammy secretly exchanging cash for andro???)…[/quote]

    I gotta agree with Phil here… for the most part. ;o)

    Seriously, throwing crap on the field to express your discontent with whomever is childish, immature, dangerous, and stupid.

    Would you appreciate a baseball player chucking baseballs at you in your office when you make a mistake?

  • SWC Susan (aka Tex) | July 24, 2008 at 12:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”281667″][quote comment=”281662″][quote comment=”281646″]I know there isn’t a lot of NASCAR talk here, but Tony Stewart is unveiling his new number, car, and paint scheme tomorrow in a press conference.

    Rumor has it he’ll be sponsored by Office Depot and take #14.[/quote]

    Wonder if they will get rid of the Tony Stewart coke machines at Home Depot, and how quickly…[/quote]

    Most of them are in need of replacement anyway. While at a Home Depot a few weeks ago, I pointed out to my wife that the beat-up Coke machine must be ancient, because the Tony Stewart depicted was thin and clean-shaven.[/quote]

    Nicely played Robert!

  • Mr. Met | July 24, 2008 at 12:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”281666″]I have not been reading ALL of the comments lately, but havethe Mets been wearing the 4th of July caps this whole time?[/quote]

    No– as far as I know, they’ve been wearing the blue caps at home (finally), the black and blue caps on the road, and last night was the first time since the break they wore the black caps and tops. I believe they wore the caps that 4th of July weekend and retired them.

  • Perry | July 24, 2008 at 12:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”281676″]Re: Stripes and logo creep.

    When is it a design element and when is it logo creep? The general consensus around here is “stripes good, logos bad,” and I tend to agree. I know that adidas is “The Brand With the Three Stripes (R)” (and it says so right on the front of an old t-shirt I have), but I like the stripes on the shoulders and they look great down the side of the shorts. I mean, if it were two or four stripes, most of you would be cheering.

    I say, “Stripes is stripes is stripes, and stripes are good…”[/quote]

    For me it crosses the line from “design element” to “logo creep” when it’s identical on every damn uniform you make (Liverpool, Chelsea, Newcastle, Real Madrid, all of MLS), even where it clearly doesn’t belong (i.e. Newcastle, where the 3 Adidas stripes clash horribly with the wide shirt stripes that’s the iconic Newcastle look).

  • SWC Susan (aka Tex) | July 24, 2008 at 12:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”281676″]Re: Stripes and logo creep.

    When is it a design element and when is it logo creep? The general consensus around here is “stripes good, logos bad,” and I tend to agree. I know that adidas is “The Brand With the Three Stripes (R)” (and it says so right on the front of an old t-shirt I have), but I like the stripes on the shoulders and they look great down the side of the shorts. I mean, if it were two or four stripes, most of you would be cheering.

    I say, “Stripes is stripes is stripes, and stripes are good…”[/quote]

    Agreed!

  • Joe Hilseberg | July 24, 2008 at 12:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”281648″][quote comment=”281626″][quote comment=”281620″]SWEET throwbacks that the O’s wore last night. They are continuing the game today at 12:35, I wonder if they’ll wear the same uni’s. the Blue Jays powder blue duds look like crappy pajamas or a little league team. NNOB and a centered logo on the front? Feh! P.S. Anyone notice the REAL orange stirrups Ramon Hernandez and co. were wearing?[/quote]

    And Gary Roenicke actually came up to me and said “This is the sweetest jersey here!” And then proceeded to sign my 1983 Orange Roenicke jersey for me![/quote]
    But according to the Okonen book and the Hall web site, the O’s didn’t wear orange in ’83.[/quote]

    Ok then…it’s my 1982 Orange jersey then…don’t trust the HOF site completely though…it is far from 100% accurate

  • SWC Susan (aka Tex) | July 24, 2008 at 12:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”281680″][quote comment=”281666″]I have not been reading ALL of the comments lately, but havethe Mets been wearing the 4th of July caps this whole time?[/quote]

    No– as far as I know, they’ve been wearing the blue caps at home (finally), the black and blue caps on the road, and last night was the first time since the break they wore the black caps and tops. I believe they wore the caps that 4th of July weekend and retired them.[/quote]

    I could have sworn I sawe a Met on TV last night with the stars and stripes cap on…

  • LI Phil | July 24, 2008 at 12:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”281682″][quote comment=”281676″]Re: Stripes and logo creep.

    When is it a design element and when is it logo creep? The general consensus around here is “stripes good, logos bad,” and I tend to agree. I know that adidas is “The Brand With the Three Stripes (R)” (and it says so right on the front of an old t-shirt I have), but I like the stripes on the shoulders and they look great down the side of the shorts. I mean, if it were two or four stripes, most of you would be cheering.

    I say, “Stripes is stripes is stripes, and stripes are good…”[/quote]

    Agreed![/quote]

    here tex…

    you’ll like this ;)

  • Mr. Met | July 24, 2008 at 12:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”281684″][quote comment=”281680″][quote comment=”281666″]I have not been reading ALL of the comments lately, but havethe Mets been wearing the 4th of July caps this whole time?[/quote]

    No– as far as I know, they’ve been wearing the blue caps at home (finally), the black and blue caps on the road, and last night was the first time since the break they wore the black caps and tops. I believe they wore the caps that 4th of July weekend and retired them.[/quote]

    I could have sworn I sawe a Met on TV last night with the stars and stripes cap on…[/quote]

    I didn’t notice whether it could have been one player wearing the cap, but the team as a whole used them that one weekend and haven’t used them since.

  • JT | July 24, 2008 at 12:50 pm |

    Regarding the players with numbers retired after one game, I have an example that isn’t quite a number, and isn’t professional. Jack Trice played one game for Iowa State College (now Iowa State University) in 1923 before dying due to injuries suffered in that game. The players didn’t wear numbers at the time, so there wasn’t one to retire, but the school’s football stadium is named after him, which is along the same lines.

  • Perry | July 24, 2008 at 12:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”281685″][quote comment=”281682″][quote comment=”281676″]Re: Stripes and logo creep.

    When is it a design element and when is it logo creep? The general consensus around here is “stripes good, logos bad,” and I tend to agree. I know that adidas is “The Brand With the Three Stripes (R)” (and it says so right on the front of an old t-shirt I have), but I like the stripes on the shoulders and they look great down the side of the shorts. I mean, if it were two or four stripes, most of you would be cheering.

    I say, “Stripes is stripes is stripes, and stripes are good…”[/quote]

    Agreed![/quote]

    here tex…

    you’ll like this ;)[/quote]

    If that’s Eduardo’s injury, which is what it looks like, you (and whoever created that) are one sick fuck. No smiley.

  • James Craven | July 24, 2008 at 12:55 pm |

    Yeah, that was a July 4th thing. They will do it again for the 9/11 weekend as well.

    Onto other bidness. Paul was so busy this week he forgot to announce the winners of the Yankee Stadium DVDs. On Paul’s behalf, congratulations to, with a bit of Chris Berman-izing…

    Troy “You Know I’ve Gone from” Ragsdale “To Riches”

    and…

    David “Hello” Neuman. (Also got a Seinfeld reference in…NTTAWWT.)

    Your DVDs will soon be on their way in about two weeks time.

  • chance | July 24, 2008 at 1:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”281677″][quote comment=”281647″][quote comment=”281639″][quote comment=”281628″]From the Jets throwback article:
    “In addition to the ’08 home opener, New York’s AFC representative will also don the blue jerseys and gold pants — replicas of the uniforms the New York Titans wore, with some modifications, from 1960-62 — in their third home contest, a post-bye Oct. 12 showdown with the Cincinnati Bengals.”

    Fingers crossed for Bengals throwbacks![/quote]

    Sadly, the league will not allow Bengals throwbacks. They can only wear one alternate jersey twice per season and the Bengals still have those orange alts.[/quote]

    Then it’s not about the league “not allowing” Bengals throwbacks, but the Bengals deciding to do something other than throwbacks.[/quote]

    Uniform cycles are required by the league to at least be 5 years long. The new uniforms, with the orange alts, debuted in 2004. What i meant was the league will not allow the Bengals to change uniform designs, to possibly include a throwback, until at least 2009.[/quote]

    Strange. The Packers introduced two different throwbacks in the space of three years. And the Browns introduced alternate orange jerseys starting in 2002, then wore retro alts in the 2006 season. That’s a four-year cycle.

    Is that a new rule?

  • chance | July 24, 2008 at 1:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”281676″]Re: Stripes and logo creep.

    When is it a design element and when is it logo creep? The general consensus around here is “stripes good, logos bad,” and I tend to agree. I know that adidas is “The Brand With the Three Stripes (R)” (and it says so right on the front of an old t-shirt I have), but I like the stripes on the shoulders and they look great down the side of the shorts. I mean, if it were two or four stripes, most of you would be cheering.

    I say, “Stripes is stripes is stripes, and stripes are good…”[/quote]

    When the stripes become a branding signature, cross the line and are no longer good.

    The three stripes are every bit a logo as the swoosh.

  • Jefferson D | July 24, 2008 at 1:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”281635″][quote comment=”281630″]I’m a Lehigh Alum and we were still the engineers when I was there (The mascot switched to the Mountain Hawk sometime around ’92 or ’93.) The School wanted to get away from being thought of as only an Engineering school and had a vote to change the mascot. All of the ideas sucked (IMHO). There also used to be a Train Engineer mascot. Looks like the student population also wants to do away with the awful Mountain hawk. Unfortunatly, I can’t readily find any pics of the old mascot.[/quote]

    Screenprinting Question:

    Conceivably, it would be possible to take this graphic:

    http://burrillstrong...

    to a screenprinter and simply use the computer to output the image onto a tee?

    Is that feasible, or no?[/quote]

    Yes, that is something prety much any local sports store or someone who makes shirts could do. With the proper program, you could easily use that image and either have the logo screenprinted or embroidered fairly easily.

  • Walaitis | July 24, 2008 at 1:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”281692″][quote comment=”281635″][quote comment=”281630″]I’m a Lehigh Alum and we were still the engineers when I was there (The mascot switched to the Mountain Hawk sometime around ’92 or ’93.) The School wanted to get away from being thought of as only an Engineering school and had a vote to change the mascot. All of the ideas sucked (IMHO). There also used to be a Train Engineer mascot. Looks like the student population also wants to do away with the awful Mountain hawk. Unfortunatly, I can’t readily find any pics of the old mascot.[/quote]

    Screenprinting Question:

    Conceivably, it would be possible to take this graphic:

    http://burrillstrong...

    to a screenprinter and simply use the computer to output the image onto a tee?

    Is that feasible, or no?[/quote]

    Yes, that is something prety much any local sports store or someone who makes shirts could do. With the proper program, you could easily use that image and either have the logo screenprinted or embroidered fairly easily.[/quote]

    It may also be more economically feasable to use a computer program/specialty paper purchased at a local mass-retailer (in the “crafts” and “sewing” section) that will allow you to print an iron-on image off your home computer (w/ bubble jet printer).

  • Geeman | July 24, 2008 at 1:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”281683″][quote comment=”281648″][quote comment=”281626″][quote comment=”281620″]SWEET throwbacks that the O’s wore last night. They are continuing the game today at 12:35, I wonder if they’ll wear the same uni’s. the Blue Jays powder blue duds look like crappy pajamas or a little league team. NNOB and a centered logo on the front? Feh! P.S. Anyone notice the REAL orange stirrups Ramon Hernandez and co. were wearing?[/quote]

    And Gary Roenicke actually came up to me and said “This is the sweetest jersey here!” And then proceeded to sign my 1983 Orange Roenicke jersey for me![/quote]
    But according to the Okonen book and the Hall web site, the O’s didn’t wear orange in ’83.[/quote]

    Ok then…it’s my 1982 Orange jersey then…don’t trust the HOF site completely though…it is far from 100% accurate[/quote]

  • Geeman | July 24, 2008 at 1:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”281694″][quote comment=”281683″][quote comment=”281648″][quote comment=”281626″][quote comment=”281620″]SWEET throwbacks that the O’s wore last night. They are continuing the game today at 12:35, I wonder if they’ll wear the same uni’s. the Blue Jays powder blue duds look like crappy pajamas or a little league team. NNOB and a centered logo on the front? Feh! P.S. Anyone notice the REAL orange stirrups Ramon Hernandez and co. were wearing?[/quote]

    And Gary Roenicke actually came up to me and said “This is the sweetest jersey here!” And then proceeded to sign my 1983 Orange Roenicke jersey for me![/quote]
    But according to the Okonen book and the Hall web site, the O’s didn’t wear orange in ’83.[/quote]

    Ok then…it’s my 1982 Orange jersey then…don’t trust the HOF site completely though…it is far from 100% accurate[/quote][/quote]
    You are correct on that. They did wear them in ’82, because if you look at the clinching game in ’82 where they lost to Milwaukee, they were wearing them.

  • Geeman | July 24, 2008 at 1:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”281695″][quote comment=”281694″][quote comment=”281683″][quote comment=”281648″][quote comment=”281626″][quote comment=”281620″]SWEET throwbacks that the O’s wore last night. They are continuing the game today at 12:35, I wonder if they’ll wear the same uni’s. the Blue Jays powder blue duds look like crappy pajamas or a little league team. NNOB and a centered logo on the front? Feh! P.S. Anyone notice the REAL orange stirrups Ramon Hernandez and co. were wearing?[/quote]

    And Gary Roenicke actually came up to me and said “This is the sweetest jersey here!” And then proceeded to sign my 1983 Orange Roenicke jersey for me![/quote]
    But according to the Okonen book and the Hall web site, the O’s didn’t wear orange in ’83.[/quote]

    Ok then…it’s my 1982 Orange jersey then…don’t trust the HOF site completely though…it is far from 100% accurate[/quote][/quote]
    You are correct on that. They did wear them in ’82, because if you look at the clinching game in ’82 where they lost to Milwaukee, they were wearing them.[/quote]
    Joe — do you know if the O’s wore an orange-front helmet in ’75-’76 with that orange-front cap? I’ve been trying to get an answer to that for a while now.

  • LI Phil | July 24, 2008 at 1:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”281696″]Joe — do you know if the O’s wore an orange-front helmet in ’75-’76 with that orange-front cap? I’ve been trying to get an answer to that for a while now.[/quote]

    to clarify your question…you’re asking if they wore a helmet which looks like this, yes?

    cuz, im checking for pics now

  • Perry | July 24, 2008 at 1:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”281688″][quote comment=”281685″][quote comment=”281682″][quote comment=”281676″]Re: Stripes and logo creep.

    When is it a design element and when is it logo creep? The general consensus around here is “stripes good, logos bad,” and I tend to agree. I know that adidas is “The Brand With the Three Stripes (R)” (and it says so right on the front of an old t-shirt I have), but I like the stripes on the shoulders and they look great down the side of the shorts. I mean, if it were two or four stripes, most of you would be cheering.

    I say, “Stripes is stripes is stripes, and stripes are good…”[/quote]

    Agreed![/quote]

    here tex…

    you’ll like this ;)[/quote]

    If that’s Eduardo’s injury, which is what it looks like, you (and whoever created that) are one sick fuck. No smiley.[/quote]

    Okay, I went to a meeting immediately after posting this, and I haven’t read any of the comments posted after mine, but I want to apologize to LI Phil, Paul, and everybody for my intemperate language. It came out of an immediate reaction of anger and I should have cooled off a bit first. I don’t usually attack people like that.

    (For those who don’t know why I blew up, I’m pretty sure the photo is of a horrific injury, a double compound fracture, suffered by Arsenal’s promising young striker Eduardo da Silva in a game against Birmingham last season. He’s training again, and it’s hoped he’ll be able to resume his career, but to me, there’s not one thing funny about it, and I don’t appreciate it being turned into somebody’s joke.)

  • James Craven | July 24, 2008 at 1:55 pm |

    An early look into the possible 2009 All-Star Game logo in St. Looie?

    http://en.wikipedia....

    The official logo won’t be unveiled until August 5th, though.

  • LI Phil | July 24, 2008 at 2:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”281700″][quote comment=”281688″][quote comment=”281685″][quote comment=”281682″][quote comment=”281676″]Re: Stripes and logo creep.

    When is it a design element and when is it logo creep? The general consensus around here is “stripes good, logos bad,” and I tend to agree. I know that adidas is “The Brand With the Three Stripes (R)” (and it says so right on the front of an old t-shirt I have), but I like the stripes on the shoulders and they look great down the side of the shorts. I mean, if it were two or four stripes, most of you would be cheering.

    I say, “Stripes is stripes is stripes, and stripes are good…”[/quote]

    Agreed![/quote]

    here tex…

    you’ll like this ;)[/quote]

    If that’s Eduardo’s injury, which is what it looks like, you (and whoever created that) are one sick fuck. No smiley.[/quote]

    Okay, I went to a meeting immediately after posting this, and I haven’t read any of the comments posted after mine, but I want to apologize to LI Phil, Paul, and everybody for my intemperate language. It came out of an immediate reaction of anger and I should have cooled off a bit first. I don’t usually attack people like that.

    (For those who don’t know why I blew up, I’m pretty sure the photo is of a horrific injury, a double compound fracture, suffered by Arsenal’s promising young striker Eduardo da Silva in a game against Birmingham last season. He’s training again, and it’s hoped he’ll be able to resume his career, but to me, there’s not one thing funny about it, and I don’t appreciate it being turned into somebody’s joke.)[/quote]

    it’s cool…i’ve been called worse

    and part of the fault is mine, since i didn’t even really look at the pic (which i should have) before posting it (it came from ebaums world, btw…so there ya go)…

    and after you ripped me one, i actually looked at the pic and saw how horrible it was…so…my bad there

    i certainly wasn’t trying to poke fun at the injured player or injury (i wouldn’t even know who that player is anyway), i was simply going for a “pro adidas” joke for ms. freeman

    so…apology back at ya (smiley ok now???) ;)

  • JC | July 24, 2008 at 2:08 pm |

    um…on the article, the pic you show of the 02 o’s, the pitcher does have black piping on his pants…

  • Geeman | July 24, 2008 at 2:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”281699″][quote comment=”281696″]Joe — do you know if the O’s wore an orange-front helmet in ’75-’76 with that orange-front cap? I’ve been trying to get an answer to that for a while now.[/quote]

    to clarify your question…you’re asking if they wore a helmet which looks like this, yes?

    cuz, im checking for pics now[/quote]
    Yes. Reason I ask is because, as you know, they now wear more than one cap, but only one helmet. I collected replica helmets when I was a kid and I got the white-front one, but never saw the orange-front one for sale.

  • Philly William | July 24, 2008 at 2:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”281674″][quote comment=”281670″][quote comment=”281654″]I’ve had about enough of home fans booing their players during games. That’s about the most god-awful show of sportsmanship – I’d like to see the out-of-shape idiots in the stands try to get out there and play.[/quote]

    As a fan, it is my right to boo someone when I am paying for their work as an entertainer and they fail miserably. These people are professionals, and should perform to the highest standard night in and night out with no questions asked. The obscene amounts of money that pro athletes make compared to blue-collar Joe makes them accountable to the people lining their pockets with greenbacks.

    I understand that people may have a bad day/night/whatever, but it’s the same as booing a crappy theatre performance or a terrible stand-up comedian.

    I paid to be entertained. The athlete took my money with the understanding that he’s entertaining me to the best level that he can. If he can’t handle it, give me my money back or get the hell outta Dodge.[/quote]

    gotta agree with teebz, here…for the most part

    i do think paying fans have every right to boo (or cheer, raz, scream [with moderate profanity, especially when kids are present], yell, etc. etc. etc.) if their player fails to perform…some fans (read: certain cities who also boo santa claus) may take it to the extreme…other cities’ fans (where a large arch is, for example) will most likely NEVER boo their own…different strokes for different folks

    as long as they’re not throwing batteries (im talking to you ny’ers), syringes (fans in cities not named san francisco everywhere baroid played) or other crap like beer or bottles, i think fans have the right to express their disdain at the opponent as well

    while i agree it’s OK to applaud a stellar play or good defensive effort by an opponent, tho…

    i completely disagree with those (im talking to you, 1997 cubs) who shake a players hand as he rounds the bases after taking steve trachsel deep and then coming off the field and hugging the guy (or was sammy secretly exchanging cash for andro???)…[/quote]

    Can we stop bringing up booing Santa Clause? Yes, we’re tough on our own in Philly – point taken. It seems like every time some one brings up fan behavior in Philadelphia, they go right to the Santa incident (this means you Billy Wagner). Can’t we move on? Get us for something new, please.

    In unrelated news, there are some nice Obama t-shirts at this site: http://www.superobam.... Not quite Obama of Dreams, but still nice.

  • Pat | July 24, 2008 at 2:16 pm |

    On the adidas 3-stripes and the Nike Swoosh:

    I find the 3-stripes far more egregious and always have. I tend to be more of a Nike apologist, though, so my opinion may not mean all that much.

    While, normally, Nike has a swoosh placed somewhere on the uniform somewhere if they actually brand the uniform adidas puts 3 stripes down the shoulders, down the legs, down the side of the jersey. They will put 3 stripes right across the chest for Christ’s sake.

    What’s better interms of logo creep?

    This?

    Or this?

    This?

    Or this?

    OK, the basketball examples weren’t very good examples… but you get the point.

  • Pat | July 24, 2008 at 2:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”281707″]On the adidas 3-stripes and the Nike Swoosh:

    I find the 3-stripes far more egregious and always have. I tend to be more of a Nike apologist, though, so my opinion may not mean all that much.

    While, normally, Nike has a swoosh placed somewhere on the uniform somewhere if they actually brand the uniform adidas puts 3 stripes down the shoulders, down the legs, down the side of the jersey. They will put 3 stripes right across the chest for Christ’s sake.

    What’s better interms of logo creep?

    This?

    Or this?

    This?

    Or this?

    OK, the basketball examples weren’t very good examples… but you get the point.[/quote]

    Oh and I’m not talking about overall uniform design. I’m talking about the overall sense of who manufactured the uniform.

  • Adrian | July 24, 2008 at 2:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”281620″]SWEET throwbacks that the O’s wore last night. They are continuing the game today at 12:35, I wonder if they’ll wear the same uni’s. the Blue Jays powder blue duds look like crappy pajamas or a little league team. NNOB and a centered logo on the front? Feh! P.S. Anyone notice the REAL orange stirrups Ramon Hernandez and co. were wearing?[/quote]

    Neither team is wearing the throwbacks this afternoon. One game, 4 different uniforms. Has that ever happened before?

  • Dave | July 24, 2008 at 2:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”281630″]I’m a Lehigh Alum and we were still the engineers when I was there (The mascot switched to the Mountain Hawk sometime around ’92 or ’93.) The School wanted to get away from being thought of as only an Engineering school and had a vote to change the mascot. All of the ideas sucked (IMHO). There also used to be a Train Engineer mascot. [/quote]

    Lehigh handled this really poorly. Instead of keeping “Engineers” as the official identity (which, btw, had its roots in railroad engineering) and adding a different mascot for merchandising (think Crimson Tide and the elephant), they surreptitiously started using “Mountain Hawks” in all of the althletics teams’ press kits. So now the athletics teams are the “Mountain Hawks” but I don’t think that’s the official university name. I think it’s still the Engineers, but you usually only mention the name in reference to althletic teams, so now we’re the Mountain Hawks. He is universally despised. Lehigh has zero respect for tradition. I could go on and on with examples…

  • Jefferson D | July 24, 2008 at 2:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”281707″]On the adidas 3-stripes and the Nike Swoosh:

    I find the 3-stripes far more egregious and always have. I tend to be more of a Nike apologist, though, so my opinion may not mean all that much.

    While, normally, Nike has a swoosh placed somewhere on the uniform somewhere if they actually brand the uniform adidas puts 3 stripes down the shoulders, down the legs, down the side of the jersey. They will put 3 stripes right across the chest for Christ’s sake.

    What’s better interms of logo creep?

    This?

    Or this?

    This?

    Or this?

    OK, the basketball examples weren’t very good examples… but you get the point.[/quote]

    The three stripes are a design element. The swoosh is a logo. The adidas little flower thing is a logo. Adidas uses a design element because they will get remembered. If I go to work and see someone wearing a tie like one I have, I recognize an element of his tie that is similar to mine. When I walk into Sports Authority and see a red sport shirt with white three stripes down the side, I will recognize it as similar to say a Bulls jersey and identify with it. You are associating style not brand, even though the style is of a brand.

  • LI Phil | July 24, 2008 at 2:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”281707″]On the adidas 3-stripes and the Nike Swoosh:

    I find the 3-stripes far more egregious and always have….They will put 3 stripes right across the chest for Christ’s sake.[/quote]

    yup (i alreday linked to this above)

    but check out this, this (not so bad, really), this, the cream of the crop, this

    c’mon now, adidas makes some nice golf shirts that don’t have all that crap on them…and you STILL know they’re adidas

  • Ricko | July 24, 2008 at 2:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”281705″][quote comment=”281699″][quote comment=”281696″]Joe — do you know if the O’s wore an orange-front helmet in ’75-’76 with that orange-front cap? I’ve been trying to get an answer to that for a while now.[/quote]

    to clarify your question…you’re asking if they wore a helmet which looks like this, yes?

    cuz, im checking for pics now[/quote]
    Yes. Reason I ask is because, as you know, they now wear more than one cap, but only one helmet. I collected replica helmets when I was a kid and I got the white-front one, but never saw the orange-front one for sale.[/quote]

    Here’s an Orioles game program. Interesting cover…
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

  • LI Phil | July 24, 2008 at 2:38 pm |

    crap…i mean’t this

    (although that shot in the 99 pga WAS awesome)

  • Pat | July 24, 2008 at 2:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”281711″][quote comment=”281707″]On the adidas 3-stripes and the Nike Swoosh:

    I find the 3-stripes far more egregious and always have. I tend to be more of a Nike apologist, though, so my opinion may not mean all that much.

    While, normally, Nike has a swoosh placed somewhere on the uniform somewhere if they actually brand the uniform adidas puts 3 stripes down the shoulders, down the legs, down the side of the jersey. They will put 3 stripes right across the chest for Christ’s sake.

    What’s better interms of logo creep?

    This?

    Or this?

    This?

    Or this?

    OK, the basketball examples weren’t very good examples… but you get the point.[/quote]

    The three stripes are a design element. The swoosh is a logo. The adidas little flower thing is a logo. Adidas uses a design element because they will get remembered. If I go to work and see someone wearing a tie like one I have, I recognize an element of his tie that is similar to mine. When I walk into Sports Authority and see a red sport shirt with white three stripes down the side, I will recognize it as similar to say a Bulls jersey and identify with it. You are associating style not brand, even though the style is of a brand.[/quote]

    You’re not disagreeing with me.

    In fact, I never typed the word “logo” in my comment. Like I said, you associate the 3 stripes with adidas. And that’s the EXACT same way you associate the swoosh with Nike. Really there is no difference in the way they act on a shirt or shorts. They are both brand identifiers. Whehter they are techinically “logos” or not.

    If Nike decided that they wanted to put 3 stripes going down the side of one of their shirts I can guarantee you they would have trademark infringement problems on their hand in no time. Which to me says that it’s a branding thing… whether you want to label this branding as a “design element” or not.

    Just because Paul has labeled this branding problem as “logo creep” doesn’t mean that it’s strictly logos that are the problem. I think it’s actually worse that adidas has taken something that was such a good “design element” on it’s own (stripes) and turned into into a “branding element.”

  • Christopher | July 24, 2008 at 2:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”281709″][quote comment=”281620″]SWEET throwbacks that the O’s wore last night. They are continuing the game today at 12:35, I wonder if they’ll wear the same uni’s. the Blue Jays powder blue duds look like crappy pajamas or a little league team. NNOB and a centered logo on the front? Feh! P.S. Anyone notice the REAL orange stirrups Ramon Hernandez and co. were wearing?[/quote]

    Neither team is wearing the throwbacks this afternoon. One game, 4 different uniforms. Has that ever happened before?[/quote]

    It has to have, for the same reasons.

    Also, the White Sox are soon making up a game in Baltimore that was suspended- in Chicago! Because they’ll be having another scheduled game, I assume the Sox will wear their away unis, and Baltimore their homes (which, of course, differs from the previous 12 innings of the game).

    So same situation: 1 game, 4 uniforms.

  • Walaitis | July 24, 2008 at 2:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”281701″]An early look into the possible 2009 All-Star Game logo in St. Looie?

    http://en.wikipedia....

    The official logo won’t be unveiled until August 5th, though.[/quote]

    It looks purdy enough, but not very well thought out. Read the text straight through: Major League Baseball welcomes St. Louis home of All Star Game 2009. Huh??? Do they mean “Congratulates St. Louis …” or “Welcomes You To St. Louis …”?

  • Perry | July 24, 2008 at 2:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”281702″][quote comment=”281700″][quote comment=”281688″][quote comment=”281685″][quote comment=”281682″][quote comment=”281676″]Re: Stripes and logo creep.

    When is it a design element and when is it logo creep? The general consensus around here is “stripes good, logos bad,” and I tend to agree. I know that adidas is “The Brand With the Three Stripes (R)” (and it says so right on the front of an old t-shirt I have), but I like the stripes on the shoulders and they look great down the side of the shorts. I mean, if it were two or four stripes, most of you would be cheering.

    I say, “Stripes is stripes is stripes, and stripes are good…”[/quote]

    Agreed![/quote]

    here tex…

    you’ll like this ;)[/quote]

    If that’s Eduardo’s injury, which is what it looks like, you (and whoever created that) are one sick fuck. No smiley.[/quote]

    Okay, I went to a meeting immediately after posting this, and I haven’t read any of the comments posted after mine, but I want to apologize to LI Phil, Paul, and everybody for my intemperate language. It came out of an immediate reaction of anger and I should have cooled off a bit first. I don’t usually attack people like that.

    (For those who don’t know why I blew up, I’m pretty sure the photo is of a horrific injury, a double compound fracture, suffered by Arsenal’s promising young striker Eduardo da Silva in a game against Birmingham last season. He’s training again, and it’s hoped he’ll be able to resume his career, but to me, there’s not one thing funny about it, and I don’t appreciate it being turned into somebody’s joke.)[/quote]

    it’s cool…i’ve been called worse

    and part of the fault is mine, since i didn’t even really look at the pic (which i should have) before posting it (it came from ebaums world, btw…so there ya go)…

    and after you ripped me one, i actually looked at the pic and saw how horrible it was…so…my bad there

    i certainly wasn’t trying to poke fun at the injured player or injury (i wouldn’t even know who that player is anyway), i was simply going for a “pro adidas” joke for ms. freeman

    so…apology back at ya (smiley ok now???) ;)[/quote]

    Cool. One of the things I realized after posting is that if you don’t follow Euro soccer you might not have recognized what was portrayed in the photo. I’m an Arsenal fan, and saw it happen live on TV, so I recognized it right away.

  • Billy | July 24, 2008 at 2:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”281704″]um…on the article, the pic you show of the 02 o’s, the pitcher does have black piping on his pants…[/quote]

    But the placket of his jersey does not…

  • Geeman | July 24, 2008 at 2:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”281713″][quote comment=”281705″][quote comment=”281699″][quote comment=”281696″]Joe — do you know if the O’s wore an orange-front helmet in ’75-’76 with that orange-front cap? I’ve been trying to get an answer to that for a while now.[/quote]

    to clarify your question…you’re asking if they wore a helmet which looks like this, yes?

    cuz, im checking for pics now[/quote]
    Yes. Reason I ask is because, as you know, they now wear more than one cap, but only one helmet. I collected replica helmets when I was a kid and I got the white-front one, but never saw the orange-front one for sale.[/quote]

    Here’s an Orioles game program. Interesting cover…
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...
    That is a great find — but it’s 1977, so, even though the bat boy is wearing the ’75-’76 orange cap, the team wore the white cap and helmets for games. Weird that the bat boy would wear a cap from the previous season. If you find that orange helmet, let me know. I haven’t seen it in any baseball cards or pictures from those years, though there are pictures of the orange cap.

  • Mark | July 24, 2008 at 3:08 pm |

    the “system of dress” has made it to track and field: nike has come out with the full uniform for sprinters on the US track team in Beijing.

    http://asia.cnet.com...

    While they paraded out some Olympians in USA gear at the trials in Eugene a few weeks back, I don’t remember any of them wearing the arm coverings or long sock things. Whether they have any appreciable benefit is for others to determine, but IMO they are incredibly dumb-looking.

  • Juan Grande | July 24, 2008 at 3:09 pm |

    In unrelated news, there are some nice Obama t-shirts at this site: http://www.superobam.... Not quite Obama of Dreams, but still nice.[/quote]

    Do you think Obama’s campaign gets any “franchise” payments (errr donations) for using his name and likeness?

  • Juan Grande | July 24, 2008 at 3:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”281717″][quote comment=”281701″]An early look into the possible 2009 All-Star Game logo in St. Looie?

    http://en.wikipedia....

    The official logo won’t be unveiled until August 5th, though.[/quote]

    It looks purdy enough, but not very well thought out. Read the text straight through: Major League Baseball welcomes St. Louis home of All Star Game 2009. Huh??? Do they mean “Congratulates St. Louis …” or “Welcomes You To St. Louis …”?[/quote]

    What, a typo on wikipedia! No way! (sarcasm button pressed)

  • LI Phil | July 24, 2008 at 3:25 pm |

    [quote]If you find that orange helmet, let me know. I haven’t seen it in any baseball cards or pictures from those years, though there are pictures of the orange cap.[/quote]

    still looking (stupid work is getting in the way) but thus far, no success…it’s of course quite possible they never had a orange helmet, which is why im not finding any

    did you read/hear about one, or is this just (wishful) speculation on your part?

  • Teebz | July 24, 2008 at 3:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”281706″]
    Can we stop bringing up booing Santa Clause? Yes, we’re tough on our own in Philly – point taken. It seems like every time some one brings up fan behavior in Philadelphia, they go right to the Santa incident (this means you Billy Wagner). Can’t we move on? Get us for something new, please.
    [/quote]

    How about fighting Tie Domi in the penalty box?

    How about booing injured opposing players? Go back to 1999 where fans jeered Dallas Cowboys receiver Michael Irvin as he lay on the field for 20 minutes, suffering from a neck injury that ended his career.

    How about booing a guy throwing out the ceremonial first pitch? Matthew Scott, the only person in the United States to have received a hand transplant, was asked by the Phillies to throw out the ceremonial first pitch at the team’s home opener in 1999. The pitch, from his transplanted hand, dribbled over the plate. The fans booed.

    I get the fact that Santa was a surrogate that day for Joe Kuharich and Jerry Wolman and Norm Snead and the crap they put Eagles fans through that season.

    But you know there’s a problem when the city of Philadelphia put a courtroom and jail cell inside the Vet for unruly fans.

    The Michael Irvin incident was inexcusable. To jeer Tie Domi and then get your face beat in is ridiculous. To boo a kid who got a transplant is downright cruel. There’s nothing tough about those incidents.

    By the way, I love Flyers fans. Some of the best in the game. It’s the mob mentality of the crowd, though, that brings these incidents to life. And it is becoming all too frequent.

  • Walaitis | July 24, 2008 at 3:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”281722″]In unrelated news, there are some nice Obama t-shirts at this site: http://www.superobam.... Not quite Obama of Dreams, but still nice.[/quote]

    Do you think Obama’s campaign gets any “franchise” payments (errr donations) for using his name and likeness?[/quote]

    Or at least a break on gas prices in Denver for convention workers, for goodness sake!

  • Ricko | July 24, 2008 at 3:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”281720″][quote comment=”281713″][quote comment=”281705″][quote comment=”281699″][quote comment=”281696″]Joe — do you know if the O’s wore an orange-front helmet in ’75-’76 with that orange-front cap? I’ve been trying to get an answer to that for a while now.[/quote]

    to clarify your question…you’re asking if they wore a helmet which looks like this, yes?

    cuz, im checking for pics now[/quote]
    Yes. Reason I ask is because, as you know, they now wear more than one cap, but only one helmet. I collected replica helmets when I was a kid and I got the white-front one, but never saw the orange-front one for sale.[/quote]

    Here’s an Orioles game program. Interesting cover…
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...
    That is a great find — but it’s 1977, so, even though the bat boy is wearing the ’75-’76 orange cap, the team wore the white cap and helmets for games. Weird that the bat boy would wear a cap from the previous season. If you find that orange helmet, let me know. I haven’t seen it in any baseball cards or pictures from those years, though there are pictures of the orange cap.[/quote]
    [quote comment=”281720″][quote comment=”281713″][quote comment=”281705″][quote comment=”281699″][quote comment=”281696″]Joe — do you know if the O’s wore an orange-front helmet in ’75-’76 with that orange-front cap? I’ve been trying to get an answer to that for a while now.[/quote]

    to clarify your question…you’re asking if they wore a helmet which looks like this, yes?

    cuz, im checking for pics now[/quote]
    Yes. Reason I ask is because, as you know, they now wear more than one cap, but only one helmet. I collected replica helmets when I was a kid and I got the white-front one, but never saw the orange-front one for sale.[/quote]

    Here’s an Orioles game program. Interesting cover…
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...
    That is a great find — but it’s 1977, so, even though the bat boy is wearing the ’75-’76 orange cap, the team wore the white cap and helmets for games. Weird that the bat boy would wear a cap from the previous season. If you find that orange helmet, let me know. I haven’t seen it in any baseball cards or pictures from those years, though there are pictures of the orange cap.[/quote]

    I’m guessing that’s a photo from ’76. Perhaps and early season ’77 game (can’t seem to find a date). I don’t recall ever seeing an orange-front batting helmet back then. to the best of my knowledge, Orioles wore that white-front helmet all the time, both home and road.

    Not uncommon for hats and helmets not to match. Twins around that time wore Red hats(NY visors) at home and all-Navy on road, but helmets were Navy with Red visor and White curved frontpiece…very much like the one Joe Mauer wears while catching.

  • Geeman | July 24, 2008 at 3:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”281727″][quote comment=”281720″][quote comment=”281713″][quote comment=”281705″][quote comment=”281699″][quote comment=”281696″]Joe — do you know if the O’s wore an orange-front helmet in ’75-’76 with that orange-front cap? I’ve been trying to get an answer to that for a while now.[/quote]

    to clarify your question…you’re asking if they wore a helmet which looks like this, yes?

    cuz, im checking for pics now[/quote]
    Yes. Reason I ask is because, as you know, they now wear more than one cap, but only one helmet. I collected replica helmets when I was a kid and I got the white-front one, but never saw the orange-front one for sale.[/quote]

    Here’s an Orioles game program. Interesting cover…
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...
    That is a great find — but it’s 1977, so, even though the bat boy is wearing the ’75-’76 orange cap, the team wore the white cap and helmets for games. Weird that the bat boy would wear a cap from the previous season. If you find that orange helmet, let me know. I haven’t seen it in any baseball cards or pictures from those years, though there are pictures of the orange cap.[/quote]
    [quote comment=”281720″][quote comment=”281713″][quote comment=”281705″][quote comment=”281699″][quote comment=”281696″]Joe — do you know if the O’s wore an orange-front helmet in ’75-’76 with that orange-front cap? I’ve been trying to get an answer to that for a while now.[/quote]

    to clarify your question…you’re asking if they wore a helmet which looks like this, yes?

    cuz, im checking for pics now[/quote]
    Yes. Reason I ask is because, as you know, they now wear more than one cap, but only one helmet. I collected replica helmets when I was a kid and I got the white-front one, but never saw the orange-front one for sale.[/quote]

    Here’s an Orioles game program. Interesting cover…
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...
    That is a great find — but it’s 1977, so, even though the bat boy is wearing the ’75-’76 orange cap, the team wore the white cap and helmets for games. Weird that the bat boy would wear a cap from the previous season. If you find that orange helmet, let me know. I haven’t seen it in any baseball cards or pictures from those years, though there are pictures of the orange cap.[/quote]

    I’m guessing that’s a photo from ’76. Perhaps and early season ’77 game (can’t seem to find a date). I don’t recall ever seeing an orange-front batting helmet back then. to the best of my knowledge, Orioles wore that white-front helmet all the time, both home and road.

    Not uncommon for hats and helmets not to match. Twins around that time wore Red hats(NY visors) at home and all-Navy on road, but helmets were Navy with Red visor and White curved frontpiece…very much like the one Joe Mauer wears while catching.[/quote]
    Yes, it could be from 1976.
    You are correct on matching. The O’s helmets don’t match now, as a matter of fact. But some teams match (Cubs, Indians). I’ve never seen a definitive answer for the O’s one way or another, though I vaguely remember as a kid seeing that helmet (or maybe I just saw the hat).

  • LI Phil | July 24, 2008 at 3:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”281725″][quote comment=”281706″]
    Can we stop bringing up booing Santa Clause? Yes, we’re tough on our own in Philly – point taken. It seems like every time some one brings up fan behavior in Philadelphia, they go right to the Santa incident (this means you Billy Wagner). Can’t we move on? Get us for something new, please.
    [/quote]

    How about fighting Tie Domi in the penalty box?

    How about booing injured opposing players? Go back to 1999 where fans jeered Dallas Cowboys receiver Michael Irvin as he lay on the field for 20 minutes, suffering from a neck injury that ended his career.

    How about booing a guy throwing out the ceremonial first pitch? Matthew Scott, the only person in the United States to have received a hand transplant, was asked by the Phillies to throw out the ceremonial first pitch at the team’s home opener in 1999. The pitch, from his transplanted hand, dribbled over the plate. The fans booed.

    I get the fact that Santa was a surrogate that day for Joe Kuharich and Jerry Wolman and Norm Snead and the crap they put Eagles fans through that season.

    But you know there’s a problem when the city of Philadelphia put a courtroom and jail cell inside the Vet for unruly fans.

    The Michael Irvin incident was inexcusable. To jeer Tie Domi and then get your face beat in is ridiculous. To boo a kid who got a transplant is downright cruel. There’s nothing tough about those incidents.

    By the way, I love Flyers fans. Some of the best in the game. It’s the mob mentality of the crowd, though, that brings these incidents to life. And it is becoming all too frequent.[/quote]

    i seem to recall phillies fans throwing batteries at then-cards’ outfielder j.d. drew in 1999…and the bottle rocket shot across the 700 level near the end of a iggles’ blowout loss to the 49ers on MNF too…

    the bottle rocket incident forced the iggles and the city to set up a court in the basement of the vet to deal with the problems (many of which were already covered nicely by teebz ;O)

  • Jim | July 24, 2008 at 3:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”281725″][quote comment=”281706″]
    Can we stop bringing up booing Santa Clause? Yes, we’re tough on our own in Philly – point taken. It seems like every time some one brings up fan behavior in Philadelphia, they go right to the Santa incident (this means you Billy Wagner). Can’t we move on? Get us for something new, please.
    [/quote]

    How about fighting Tie Domi in the penalty box?

    How about booing injured opposing players? Go back to 1999 where fans jeered Dallas Cowboys receiver Michael Irvin as he lay on the field for 20 minutes, suffering from a neck injury that ended his career.

    How about booing a guy throwing out the ceremonial first pitch? Matthew Scott, the only person in the United States to have received a hand transplant, was asked by the Phillies to throw out the ceremonial first pitch at the team’s home opener in 1999. The pitch, from his transplanted hand, dribbled over the plate. The fans booed.

    I get the fact that Santa was a surrogate that day for Joe Kuharich and Jerry Wolman and Norm Snead and the crap they put Eagles fans through that season.

    But you know there’s a problem when the city of Philadelphia put a courtroom and jail cell inside the Vet for unruly fans.

    The Michael Irvin incident was inexcusable. To jeer Tie Domi and then get your face beat in is ridiculous. To boo a kid who got a transplant is downright cruel. There’s nothing tough about those incidents.

    By the way, I love Flyers fans. Some of the best in the game. It’s the mob mentality of the crowd, though, that brings these incidents to life. And it is becoming all too frequent.[/quote]

    The Tie Domi thing was hilarious. I love watching that video. kudos to Domi who after punching this guys face in, buys him tickets for the next TOR/PHI game.

    As for their fans, I’m from DET and saw a NYR/PHI game last season in PHI. Was curious on how I’d be treated walking around the Wach. Center wearing a NYR jersey. Kinda wore one on purpose to see how bad they’d be, and wasn’t bothered anymore than I was at other arenas I’ve been to rooting for the other team. After that game went to BOS to see DET/BOS and I swear BOS has the nicest fans of any arena I’ve been too, all while wearing a wings jersey. Couple fans actually wished me good luck!!

  • Ricko | July 24, 2008 at 3:49 pm |

    Were I a betting man, I’d say looking for that orange-front Oriole helmet is bit like searching for the Northwest Passage.

    I’m perfectly willing to be wrong, but with someone around who was photographed at the plate as often Reggie Jackson probably was in ’76, you’d think a shot of it would have turned up by now….just in the natural course of things.

  • James Craven | July 24, 2008 at 3:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”281717″][quote comment=”281701″]“An early look into the possible 2009 All-Star Game logo in St. Looie?

    http://en.wikipedia....

    “The official logo won’t be unveiled until August 5th, though.”[/quote]

    “It looks purdy enough, but not very well thought out. Read the text straight through: Major League Baseball welcomes St. Louis home of All Star Game 2009. Huh??? Do they mean ‘Congratulates St. Louis …’ or ‘Welcomes You To St. Louis …’?”[/quote]

    That photo in question was also up on the Cramer boards from my understanding, as it was a photo taken at the DHL Fan Fest a couple weeks ago. As for the grammar part of it, someone might have needed to point that out to either MLB or an organizer.

  • HamBone | July 24, 2008 at 3:57 pm |

    What does Paul and Rusty Staub have in common? They both have worn soccer cleats!!

  • LI Phil | July 24, 2008 at 4:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”281732″][quote comment=”281717″][quote comment=”281701″]“An early look into the possible 2009 All-Star Game logo in St. Looie?

    http://en.wikipedia....

    “The official logo won’t be unveiled until August 5th, though.”[/quote]

    “It looks purdy enough, but not very well thought out. Read the text straight through: Major League Baseball welcomes St. Louis home of All Star Game 2009. Huh??? Do they mean ‘Congratulates St. Louis …’ or ‘Welcomes You To St. Louis …’?”[/quote]

    That photo in question was also up on the Cramer boards from my understanding, as it was a photo taken at the DHL Fan Fest a couple weeks ago. As for the grammar part of it, someone might have needed to point that out to either MLB or an organizer.[/quote]

    i’m merely speculating here…but…

    if this sign was at the DHL fan fest…is it possible that merely the 2009 wordmark (bottom part of the sign) is what they’ll be using for the game (as stated in the caption of the wiki article), and that MLB was actually welcoming a contingent from st. louis to the DHL fan fest?

    james…you were at that no?…is that how the ff is set up? do they welcome visitors and/or contingents from other mlb cities at all?

    im prolly wrong, but in the context i described, it makes a little more sense

    in other words…at this table, there’s some folks from st. louis…and we’re MLB…so “(we) MLB welcomes (these here folks from) st. louis – home of (the) ASG (in) 2009”

  • chance | July 24, 2008 at 4:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”281728″]
    You are correct on matching. The O’s helmets don’t match now, as a matter of fact. But some teams match (Cubs, Indians). I’ve never seen a definitive answer for the O’s one way or another, though I vaguely remember as a kid seeing that helmet (or maybe I just saw the hat).[/quote]

    Just as another example, when the Brewers had home and road caps in the 1980s, they wore one batting helmet, which didn’t match either cap.

  • Walaitis | July 24, 2008 at 4:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”281734″][quote comment=”281732″][quote comment=”281717″][quote comment=”281701″]“An early look into the possible 2009 All-Star Game logo in St. Looie?

    http://en.wikipedia....

    “The official logo won’t be unveiled until August 5th, though.”[/quote]

    “It looks purdy enough, but not very well thought out. Read the text straight through: Major League Baseball welcomes St. Louis home of All Star Game 2009. Huh??? Do they mean ‘Congratulates St. Louis …’ or ‘Welcomes You To St. Louis …’?”[/quote]

    That photo in question was also up on the Cramer boards from my understanding, as it was a photo taken at the DHL Fan Fest a couple weeks ago. As for the grammar part of it, someone might have needed to point that out to either MLB or an organizer.[/quote]

    i’m merely speculating here…but…

    if this sign was at the DHL fan fest…is it possible that merely the 2009 wordmark (bottom part of the sign) is what they’ll be using for the game (as stated in the caption of the wiki article), and that MLB was actually welcoming a contingent from st. louis to the DHL fan fest?

    james…you were at that no?…is that how the ff is set up? do they welcome visitors and/or contingents from other mlb cities at all?

    im prolly wrong, but in the context i described, it makes a little more sense

    in other words…at this table, there’s some folks from st. louis…and we’re MLB…so “(we) MLB welcomes (these here folks from) st. louis – home of (the) ASG (in) 2009″[/quote]

    That shoe seems to fit. I think I’ll wear it. Nice logisticizing.

  • Michael Doucette | July 24, 2008 at 4:07 pm |

    [quote comment=\”281715\”][quote comment=\”281711\”][quote comment=\”281707\”]On the adidas 3-stripes and the Nike Swoosh:

    I find the 3-stripes far more egregious and always have. I tend to be more of a Nike apologist, though, so my opinion may not mean all that much.

    While, normally, Nike has a swoosh placed somewhere on the uniform somewhere if they actually brand the uniform adidas puts 3 stripes down the shoulders, down the legs, down the side of the jersey. They will put 3 stripes right across the chest for Christ\’s sake.

    What\’s better interms of logo creep?

    This?

    Or this?

    This?

    Or this?

    OK, the basketball examples weren\’t very good examples… but you get the point.[/quote]

    The three stripes are a design element. The swoosh is a logo. The adidas little flower thing is a logo. Adidas uses a design element because they will get remembered. If I go to work and see someone wearing a tie like one I have, I recognize an element of his tie that is similar to mine. When I walk into Sports Authority and see a red sport shirt with white three stripes down the side, I will recognize it as similar to say a Bulls jersey and identify with it. You are associating style not brand, even though the style is of a brand.[/quote]

    You\’re not disagreeing with me.

    In fact, I never typed the word \”logo\” in my comment. Like I said, you associate the 3 stripes with adidas. And that\’s the EXACT same way you associate the swoosh with Nike. Really there is no difference in the way they act on a shirt or shorts. They are both brand identifiers. Whehter they are techinically \”logos\” or not.

    If Nike decided that they wanted to put 3 stripes going down the side of one of their shirts I can guarantee you they would have trademark infringement problems on their hand in no time. Which to me says that it\’s a branding thing… whether you want to label this branding as a \”design element\” or not.

    Just because Paul has labeled this branding problem as \”logo creep\” doesn\’t mean that it\’s strictly logos that are the problem. I think it\’s actually worse that adidas has taken something that was such a good \”design element\” on it\’s own (stripes) and turned into into a \”branding element.\”[/quote]

    I understand why people don\’t like it, but I have to disagree with you here. It may evoke the same thoughts as logo creep, but it is different. Even though it is a trademark of the company, it has become a bono fide design element and classic and iconic symbol of European football for decades. It is an aspect of their templates for sportswear because it makes the design desirable. Alot of people love adidas just for their use of stripes. They see its success, so why stray from a good thing?? When redesigning a template for a new year, wouldn\’t you want to keep the most popular and well recieved part of the template?? It has become style. To me, when I see a person on the street wearing a generic, no-team Adidas soccer shirt that has the 3 stripes on the sleeves, I see them as a soccer fan first, not as an Adidas supporter. I\’m sure many other people feel that way. 3 stripes on the sleeves = soccer, and that removes it from being logo creep.

    It is much different than finding empty space on a shirt and plopping the logo on it (which Adidas is guilty of, don\’t get me wrong, but the stripes are not this.)

  • Scott | July 24, 2008 at 4:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”281710″]Lehigh handled this really poorly. Instead of keeping “Engineers” as the official identity (which, btw, had its roots in railroad engineering) and adding a different mascot for merchandising (think Crimson Tide and the elephant),[/quote]

    That’s exactly how my school (Rose-Hulman, a small Div III science/engineering school in southern Indiana) does it. The teams’ nickname is the Engineers, but there’s a mascot, “Rosie the Elephant”, that runs around at games and adorns t-shirts and does all those sorts of things that mascots do.

  • Walaitis | July 24, 2008 at 4:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”281738″][quote comment=”281710″]Lehigh handled this really poorly. Instead of keeping “Engineers” as the official identity (which, btw, had its roots in railroad engineering) and adding a different mascot for merchandising (think Crimson Tide and the elephant),[/quote]

    That’s exactly how my school (Rose-Hulman, a small Div III science/engineering school in southern Indiana) does it. The teams’ nickname is the Engineers, but there’s a mascot, “Rosie the Elephant”, that runs around at games and adorns t-shirts and does all those sorts of things that mascots do.[/quote]

    Well, you certainly wouldn’t want some kid with taped glasses and a protactor running around getting people psyched up. People would probably end up throwing batteries at them (especially at away games in Philadelphia).

  • Christopher | July 24, 2008 at 4:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”281621″]I put this in last night’s comments, but it was late and it’s been brought up a lot here, so I wanted to make sure everyone saw it:

    So they finally explained during tonight’s broadcast why the Brewers untuck their shirts after a win …

    Apparently Mike Cameron started it as a tribute to his dad. When his dad came home from a hard days’ work the first thing he’d do is untuck his shirt and kick off his shoes.

    The rest of the team thought it was a nice gesture and picked it up, so they do it as a tribute to their dads. They can’t exactly kick off their shoes, but if they win, they untuck their jerseys.

    Kind of like “We came out and got the job. Good day’s work, time to go relax.”

    Another commenter found picks of Cameron untucking with every team he’s been with – check out the end of last night’s comments.[/quote]

    I’m a big traditionalist (usually), and I really don’t mind this. Now that I know the story, I even kind-of like it.

  • Geeman | July 24, 2008 at 4:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”281735″][quote comment=”281728″]
    You are correct on matching. The O’s helmets don’t match now, as a matter of fact. But some teams match (Cubs, Indians). I’ve never seen a definitive answer for the O’s one way or another, though I vaguely remember as a kid seeing that helmet (or maybe I just saw the hat).[/quote]

    Just as another example, when the Brewers had home and road caps in the 1980s, they wore one batting helmet, which didn’t match either cap.[/quote]
    Right, just like the Twins (though the Twins later matched their helmet to their home, but not road, caps). However, in this case the O’s had one cap and helmet for home and road; they also had the alternate cap at home for ’75-’76 and the question is did they match that up or stick with the one helmet.

  • Geeman | July 24, 2008 at 4:20 pm |

    The Tigers always match home and road caps to helmets. The Reds used to, but don’t anymore.

  • Walaitis | July 24, 2008 at 4:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”281740″][quote comment=”281621″]I put this in last night’s comments, but it was late and it’s been brought up a lot here, so I wanted to make sure everyone saw it:

    So they finally explained during tonight’s broadcast why the Brewers untuck their shirts after a win …

    Apparently Mike Cameron started it as a tribute to his dad. When his dad came home from a hard days’ work the first thing he’d do is untuck his shirt and kick off his shoes.

    The rest of the team thought it was a nice gesture and picked it up, so they do it as a tribute to their dads. They can’t exactly kick off their shoes, but if they win, they untuck their jerseys.

    Kind of like “We came out and got the job. Good day’s work, time to go relax.”

    Another commenter found picks of Cameron untucking with every team he’s been with – check out the end of last night’s comments.[/quote]

    I’m a big traditionalist (usually), and I really don’t mind this. Now that I know the story, I even kind-of like it.[/quote]

    Totally with you. It gives us “common men” a link to these guys who couldn’t tell you if gas is $4 or $40 a gallon. Now, if they’d just lose any need to untuck those jerseys for a couple weeks, I’d be alot more comfortable.

  • SWC Susan (aka Tex) | July 24, 2008 at 4:22 pm |

    I am sure someone from the Mets had on a stars and stripes cap on last night… granted, it wasn’t my H def tv at home – but it was a large screen and it didn’t have ANY orange inside the letters. Still looking for evidence…

  • Hurnf | July 24, 2008 at 4:30 pm |

    Looks like most U.S. Nike teams are now getting the “U S *” on the front and the tattoo on the back, no? Remember: the motif four years ago was the silver curve on the front.

    [quote comment=”281721″]the “system of dress” has made it to track and field: nike has come out with the full uniform for sprinters on the US track team in Beijing.

    http://asia.cnet.com...

    While they paraded out some Olympians in USA gear at the trials in Eugene a few weeks back, I don’t remember any of them wearing the arm coverings or long sock things. Whether they have any appreciable benefit is for others to determine, but IMO they are incredibly dumb-looking.[/quote]

  • LI Phil | July 24, 2008 at 4:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”281744″]I am sure someone from the Mets had on a stars and stripes cap on last night… granted, it wasn’t my H def tv at home – but it was a large screen and it didn’t have ANY orange inside the letters. Still looking for evidence…[/quote]

    i don’t know…i watched about 89% of that game (about mid 2nd inning on) and in HDTV, and i don’t think i ever saw anything resembling the S&S hat on the field…maybe you saw a replay from one of those games? they wore all black last night…so the S&S hat would have stood out, and certainly the lettering…

    im not saying you didn’t, but i just can’t remember seeing it and i certainly would have picked that up right away…

    hmmmm

  • James Craven | July 24, 2008 at 4:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”281734″]“James…you were at that no?”[/quote]

    Not that day. I was there on Saturday (7/12), they were there one of the other dates IIRC.

  • James Craven | July 24, 2008 at 4:44 pm |

    Here’s a bigger photo of the sign in question for those of you who saw it:

    http://upload.wikipe...

  • Marty Met | July 24, 2008 at 5:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”281738″][quote comment=”281710″]Lehigh handled this really poorly. Instead of keeping “Engineers” as the official identity (which, btw, had its roots in railroad engineering) and adding a different mascot for merchandising (think Crimson Tide and the elephant),[/quote]

    That’s exactly how my school (Rose-Hulman, a small Div III science/engineering school in southern Indiana) does it. The teams’ nickname is the Engineers, but there’s a mascot, “Rosie the Elephant”, that runs around at games and adorns t-shirts and does all those sorts of things that mascots do.[/quote]

    MIT’s nickname is the Engineers, but the mascot is a beaver. (nature’s engineer)

  • SWC Susan (aka Tex) | July 24, 2008 at 5:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”281746″][quote comment=”281744″]I am sure someone from the Mets had on a stars and stripes cap on last night… granted, it wasn’t my H def tv at home – but it was a large screen and it didn’t have ANY orange inside the letters. Still looking for evidence…[/quote]

    i don’t know…i watched about 89% of that game (about mid 2nd inning on) and in HDTV, and i don’t think i ever saw anything resembling the S&S hat on the field…maybe you saw a replay from one of those games? they wore all black last night…so the S&S hat would have stood out, and certainly the lettering…

    im not saying you didn’t, but i just can’t remember seeing it and i certainly would have picked that up right away…

    hmmmm[/quote]

    They zoomed in on a fielder and it was pretty clear, I guess it could have been a replay – but why zoomed in. I even commented on it to my friend. It was around 9pm central.

  • LI Phil | July 24, 2008 at 5:14 pm |

    [quote]MIT’s nickname is the Engineers, but the mascot is a beaver. (nature’s engineer)[/quote]

    why, of course

  • Walaitis | July 24, 2008 at 5:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”281752″][quote]MIT’s nickname is the Engineers, but the mascot is a beaver. (nature’s engineer)[/quote]

    why, of course[/quote]

    must … not … comment … from … work …

  • Mike Engle | July 24, 2008 at 5:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”281752″][quote]MIT’s nickname is the Engineers, but the mascot is a beaver. (nature’s engineer)[/quote]

    why, of course[/quote]
    Rensselaer Polytechnic (aka RPI) of Troy, NY is also the Engineers. However, their unofficial nickname is the Red Swarm, thereby explaining their logo, a bee.

  • Scott | July 24, 2008 at 5:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”281750″]MIT’s nickname is the Engineers, but the mascot is a beaver. (nature’s engineer)[/quote]
    Ah, wow…I had thought their official nickname was the Beavers as well, like CalTech.

  • Nicole | July 24, 2008 at 5:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”281740″][quote comment=”281621″]

    I’m a big traditionalist (usually), and I really don’t mind this. Now that I know the story, I even kind-of like it.[/quote]

    Totally with you. It gives us “common men” a link to these guys who couldn’t tell you if gas is $4 or $40 a gallon. Now, if they’d just lose any need to untuck those jerseys for a couple weeks, I’d be alot more comfortable.[/quote]

    We’ll pass, thanks. Winning’s working pretty well for us!

  • diz | July 24, 2008 at 5:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”281718″][quote comment=”281702″][quote comment=”281700″][quote comment=”281688″][quote comment=”281685″][quote comment=”281682″][quote comment=”281676″]Re: Stripes and logo creep.

    When is it a design element and when is it logo creep? The general consensus around here is “stripes good, logos bad,” and I tend to agree. I know that adidas is “The Brand With the Three Stripes (R)” (and it says so right on the front of an old t-shirt I have), but I like the stripes on the shoulders and they look great down the side of the shorts. I mean, if it were two or four stripes, most of you would be cheering.

    I say, “Stripes is stripes is stripes, and stripes are good…”[/quote]

    Agreed![/quote]

    here tex…

    you’ll like this ;)[/quote]

    If that’s Eduardo’s injury, which is what it looks like, you (and whoever created that) are one sick fuck. No smiley.[/quote]

    Okay, I went to a meeting immediately after posting this, and I haven’t read any of the comments posted after mine, but I want to apologize to LI Phil, Paul, and everybody for my intemperate language. It came out of an immediate reaction of anger and I should have cooled off a bit first. I don’t usually attack people like that.

    (For those who don’t know why I blew up, I’m pretty sure the photo is of a horrific injury, a double compound fracture, suffered by Arsenal’s promising young striker Eduardo da Silva in a game against Birmingham last season. He’s training again, and it’s hoped he’ll be able to resume his career, but to me, there’s not one thing funny about it, and I don’t appreciate it being turned into somebody’s joke.)[/quote]

    it’s cool…i’ve been called worse

    and part of the fault is mine, since i didn’t even really look at the pic (which i should have) before posting it (it came from ebaums world, btw…so there ya go)…

    and after you ripped me one, i actually looked at the pic and saw how horrible it was…so…my bad there

    i certainly wasn’t trying to poke fun at the injured player or injury (i wouldn’t even know who that player is anyway), i was simply going for a “pro adidas” joke for ms. freeman

    so…apology back at ya (smiley ok now???) ;)[/quote]

    Cool. One of the things I realized after posting is that if you don’t follow Euro soccer you might not have recognized what was portrayed in the photo. I’m an Arsenal fan, and saw it happen live on TV, so I recognized it right away.[/quote]

    What’s Adidas about the photo? Arsenal’s kits are made by Nike, and Brum City’s by Umbro (now majority owned by Nike.)

    /me be’s confused

  • LI Phil | July 24, 2008 at 5:45 pm |

    [quote]What’s Adidas about the photo? Arsenal’s kits are made by Nike, and Brum City’s by Umbro (now majority owned by Nike.)

    /me be’s confused[/quote]

    there are two idiots here…me…and whomever from ebaums world who made the poster

    me…because i was in a rush and simply saw the “adidas” caption (didn’t really look at the pic until after the content was brought to my attention), and…

    the idiot who made the poster…for the reasons you gave above (as in…where is adidas at all???)

  • Perry | July 24, 2008 at 6:09 pm |

    EPL Talk’s 5 Worst Shirt Designs for 08-09:

    http://www.epltalk.c...

  • Mr. Met | July 24, 2008 at 6:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”281751″]They zoomed in on a fielder and it was pretty clear, I guess it could have been a replay – but why zoomed in. I even commented on it to my friend. It was around 9pm central.[/quote]

    I believe the Mets wore the star & stripes when they last played in Philly, so it could have been a replay from one of those games. In any case, You indicated before that the cap “didn’t have any orange inside the letters”; the black caps actually don’t have any orange inside the “NY”. It’s blue outlined in white with an orange drop-shadow that’s difficult to see, even in HD.

  • Mr. Met | July 24, 2008 at 6:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”281760″][quote comment=”281751″]They zoomed in on a fielder and it was pretty clear, I guess it could have been a replay – but why zoomed in. I even commented on it to my friend. It was around 9pm central.[/quote]

    I believe the Mets wore the star & stripes when they last played in Philly, so it could have been a replay from one of those games. In any case, You indicated before that the cap “didn’t have any orange inside the letters”; the black caps actually don’t have any orange inside the “NY”. It’s blue outlined in white with an orange drop-shadow that’s difficult to see, even in HD.[/quote]

    Not that AI am outright dismissing what you’re saying. I just wish someone would post a picture of it if one of the players was indeed wearing a stars & stripes cap last night.

  • James Craven | July 24, 2008 at 6:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”281759″]“EPL Talk’s 5 Worst Shirt Designs for 08-09:”

    http://www.epltalk.c...

    [sarcasm]Paul’s in love with number two.[/sarcasm] :P

  • Dane | July 24, 2008 at 6:51 pm |

    Watching the Pine Tar game on ESPN Classic, it’s weird to see Don Mattingly wearing number 46.

  • James Craven | July 24, 2008 at 6:53 pm |

    NEWS ITEM: Nancy Lieberman signed a seven-day contract with the WNBA’s Detroit Shock.

    You know how old she is? She’s 206.

  • SWC Susan (aka Tex) | July 24, 2008 at 7:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”281764″]NEWS ITEM: Nancy Lieberman signed a seven-day contract with the WNBA’s Detroit Shock.

    You know how old she is? She’s 206.[/quote]

    I doubt she is playing!

  • SWC Susan (aka Tex) | July 24, 2008 at 7:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”281761″][quote comment=”281760″][quote comment=”281751″]They zoomed in on a fielder and it was pretty clear, I guess it could have been a replay – but why zoomed in. I even commented on it to my friend. It was around 9pm central.[/quote]

    I believe the Mets wore the star & stripes when they last played in Philly, so it could have been a replay from one of those games. In any case, You indicated before that the cap “didn’t have any orange inside the letters”; the black caps actually don’t have any orange inside the “NY”. It’s blue outlined in white with an orange drop-shadow that’s difficult to see, even in HD.[/quote]

    Not that AI am outright dismissing what you’re saying. I just wish someone would post a picture of it if one of the players was indeed wearing a stars & stripes cap last night.[/quote]

    No problem at all – couldn’t find any pic to back it up. Plus I kind of think he had on a gray shirt which backs up the replay theory…

  • Carpy | July 24, 2008 at 7:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”281754″][quote comment=”281752″][quote]MIT’s nickname is the Engineers, but the mascot is a beaver. (nature’s engineer)[/quote]

    why, of course[/quote]
    Rensselaer Polytechnic (aka RPI) of Troy, NY is also the Engineers. However, their unofficial nickname is the Red Swarm, thereby explaining their logo, a bee.[/quote]

    That’s not entirely the case. Rensselaer uses two official names depending on the sport. Hockey, football, and a few other teams play as the Engineers. Other sports (such as basketball) play as the Red Hawks. The school introduced the Red Hawk in 1995.

    The overall school mascot, Puckman, is from the original Engineers name.

  • James Craven | July 24, 2008 at 8:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”281765″]“I doubt she is playing!”[/quote]

    With a walker on the court? :lol: :D

  • Kyle O. from VA | July 24, 2008 at 8:34 pm |

    Here’s a quick sports news bit that made me groan:

    Offensive tackle Gosder Cherilus, the Lions’ first-round pick, signed a five-year contract worth just under $8.9 million guaranteed and just under $15 million total. “He signed as he was lacing up his Under Armour spikes to head out for practice,” said Greg Diulus, one of Cherilus’ agents. Cherilus has an endorsement deal with Under Armour.

  • James Craven | July 24, 2008 at 8:41 pm |

    Remember the late Women’s Basketball League?

    http://wblmemories.c...

    Lotsa logos and unis.

  • =bg= | July 24, 2008 at 8:57 pm |

    OT, but worth it.
    25th anniversary of the Pine Tar Game.

    http://sports.espn.g...

    And here it is:
    http://www.youtube.c...

  • BurghFan | July 24, 2008 at 9:07 pm |

    MIT’s nickname is the Engineers, but the mascot is a beaver. (nature’s engineer)

    Ah, wow…I had thought their official nickname was the Beavers as well, like CalTech.

    They were traditionally the Beavers, but when women’s teams were added, all teams were given the option of calling themselves Engineers or Beavers.

  • StanDaMan | July 24, 2008 at 9:19 pm |

    “An early look into the possible 2009 All-Star Game logo in St. Looie?

    http://en.wikipedia….

    “The official logo won’t be unveiled until August 5th, though.”

    “It looks purdy enough, but not very well thought out. Read the text straight through: Major League Baseball welcomes St. Louis home of All Star Game 2009. Huh??? Do they mean ‘Congratulates St. Louis …’ or ‘Welcomes You To St. Louis …’?”

    That photo in question was also up on the Cramer boards from my understanding, as it was a photo taken at the DHL Fan Fest a couple weeks ago. As for the grammar part of it, someone might have needed to point that out to either MLB or an organizer.

    i’m merely speculating here…but…

    if this sign was at the DHL fan fest…is it possible that merely the 2009 wordmark (bottom part of the sign) is what they’ll be using for the game (as stated in the caption of the wiki article), and that MLB was actually welcoming a contingent from st. louis to the DHL fan fest?

    james…you were at that no?…is that how the ff is set up? do they welcome visitors and/or contingents from other mlb cities at all?

    im prolly wrong, but in the context i described, it makes a little more sense

    in other words…at this table, there’s some folks from st. louis…and we’re MLB…so “(we) MLB welcomes (these here folks from) st. louis – home of (the) ASG (in) 2009″

    That shoe seems to fit. I think I’ll wear it. Nice logisticizing.

    Rumor has it the All-Star Game will actually have the Cardinal bird on the bat in the logo. MLB never includes the team logo in the All-Star mark but this will reverse that trend.

  • S. Bennett | July 24, 2008 at 9:24 pm |

    MLS All-Star kits have the ASG logo on the left, player’s club’s logo on the right. Nice touch.

    Terrible colour scheme.

    http://ca.sports.yah...

  • S. Bennett | July 24, 2008 at 9:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”281716″][quote comment=”281709″][quote comment=”281620″]SWEET throwbacks that the O’s wore last night. They are continuing the game today at 12:35, I wonder if they’ll wear the same uni’s. the Blue Jays powder blue duds look like crappy pajamas or a little league team. NNOB and a centered logo on the front? Feh! P.S. Anyone notice the REAL orange stirrups Ramon Hernandez and co. were wearing?[/quote]

    Neither team is wearing the throwbacks this afternoon. One game, 4 different uniforms. Has that ever happened before?[/quote]

    It has to have, for the same reasons.

    Also, the White Sox are soon making up a game in Baltimore that was suspended- in Chicago! Because they’ll be having another scheduled game, I assume the Sox will wear their away unis, and Baltimore their homes (which, of course, differs from the previous 12 innings of the game).

    So same situation: 1 game, 4 uniforms.[/quote]

    Has there ever been a situation where the rain-out resumption was also rained out? A third time (and fifth/sixth uniform) to finish the game?

    SB

  • Patrick S. | July 24, 2008 at 9:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”281742″]The Tigers always match home and road caps to helmets. The Reds used to, but don’t anymore.[/quote]

    OK, here’s an assignment. The Tigers road cap from 1994-1998 was navy blue with an orange visor. The logo on the cap was the olde English D with the tiger prowling through it. I wonder if the batting helmets matched during this time? I can’t seem to find any pix online.

  • S. Bennett | July 24, 2008 at 9:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”281758″][quote]What’s Adidas about the photo? Arsenal’s kits are made by Nike, and Brum City’s by Umbro (now majority owned by Nike.)

    /me be’s confused[/quote]

    there are two idiots here…me…and whomever from ebaums world who made the poster

    me…because i was in a rush and simply saw the “adidas” caption (didn’t really look at the pic until after the content was brought to my attention), and…

    the idiot who made the poster…for the reasons you gave above (as in…where is adidas at all???)[/quote]

    Martin Taylor is wearing Adidas World Cups, the six stud version of the Copa Mundial – the shamefully unpolished boots Lukas wears playing softball.

    http://www.soccer.co...

  • James Craven | July 24, 2008 at 9:55 pm |

    Nancy Lieberman’s playing right now on ESPN 2…in a motorized scooter.

  • Paul F. | July 24, 2008 at 9:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”281726″][quote comment=”281722″]In unrelated news, there are some nice Obama t-shirts at this site: http://www.superobam.... Not quite Obama of Dreams, but still nice.[/quote]

    Do you think Obama’s campaign gets any “franchise” payments (errr donations) for using his name and likeness?[/quote]

    Or at least a break on gas prices in Denver for convention workers, for goodness sake![/quote]

    I can’t find the obama of dreams website. I’ve been trying to get my dad a Braves one for months…

  • Paul F. | July 24, 2008 at 9:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”281646″]I know there isn’t a lot of NASCAR talk here, but Tony Stewart is unveiling his new number, car, and paint scheme tomorrow in a press conference.

    Rumor has it he’ll be sponsored by Office Depot and take #14.[/quote]

    who is gonna sponsor carl edwards next year then?

  • =bg= | July 24, 2008 at 10:09 pm |

    Remember that Favre #4 jersey retirement ceremony? Might need to put that one on frozen tundra. Uh, ice, that is.

    http://news.yahoo.co...

  • Billy Suter | July 24, 2008 at 10:40 pm |

    Carl Edwards will be sponsored by Aflac.

  • James Craven | July 24, 2008 at 10:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”281782″]“Carl Edwards will be sponsored by Aflac.”[/quote]

    Quoting the late Benny Parsons (bless him…)

    [quote]“Cue the duck!”[/quote]

  • JB | July 25, 2008 at 12:14 am |

    The black on blue MLS all star kits are utterly reprehensible. Someone should really lose their job over that.

  • Benjamin Bonnet | July 25, 2008 at 12:24 am |

    Some good uni banter in the bottom of the 3rd inning of the Mets game today on SNY.

  • chance | July 25, 2008 at 10:35 am |

    [quote comment=”281779″][quote comment=”281726″][quote comment=”281722″]In unrelated news, there are some nice Obama t-shirts at this site: http://www.superobam.... Not quite Obama of Dreams, but still nice.[/quote]

    Do you think Obama’s campaign gets any “franchise” payments (errr donations) for using his name and likeness?[/quote]

    Or at least a break on gas prices in Denver for convention workers, for goodness sake![/quote]

    I can’t find the obama of dreams website. I’ve been trying to get my dad a Braves one for months…[/quote]

    They got shut down.

    Of course, it was after I placed an order but before they shipped it….

  • Tim Frederick | July 25, 2008 at 1:42 pm |

    Just a note about retireed jerseys — I’m pretty sure that the Cleveland Browns retired Ernie Davis’ number 45 after he became sick with leukemia and never played a game.