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The Ricko Files, Vol. 2

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I was out of town all weekend (hiking here and here, spending the night here, and eating this and this, among other consumables), so it may take me another day or two to catch up on all the Ticker submissions that piled up while I was away, but I think today’s main entry will make up for it, because some pure gold came my way on Friday, and I’m super-stoked to share it with you today.

First, last Wednesday I mentioned that Dave Parker had worn this mask and this mask. One of the comments that day was from Ricko, who said Parker had actually worn a third facemask, which he described as “a basic two-bar late ’60s style.” I was intrigued but got distracted by other things and had forgotten all about it by Friday, when Ricko sent me this. Is that totally the shit or what? Dude’s even got a four-point chinstrap rig!

And wait, it gets better. When I asked Ricko what publication the photo came from, and he said it was from something called Baseball Superstars 1979 and promptly sent me scans of the complete article — which included another photo I’d never seen before. Check this out.

Although the article doesn’t discuss it, here’s the story behind that photo: When Parker returned from his broken cheekbone, he wore the hockey mask for his first time at bat — a pinch-hitting appearance in which he was intentionally walked. I’ve known for years that he reached base but didn’t know there was a photo of it. Amazing stuff.

Also, if you look again at the photo, it appears that the forehead and possibly the right eye area of the mask may have been cut away, revealing what appears to be a Rip Hamilton-style mask underneath. That isn’t so apparent in the other hockey mask photo, however — maybe it’s just a trick of the light or something. In any case, all very interesting.

Meanwhile, the text of the article (which you can see here and here) includes a jewelry note regarding Parker that I’d forgotten about: He wore a necklace with a Star of David pendant, because “I’m David and I’m a star.”

As I was chuckling over that, Ricko sent me more Parker mask shots: this one (similar to the action shot I already had of that mask, but much better quality), this one (which I definitely remember seeing when I was a kid), this one (that’s Pete Rose Jr. in the Phils uni), and — the real prize — this one (from the intentional walk appearance).

Can you believe all this stuff? Let’s all just chip in now and buy Ricko a climate-controlled vault for his archives. As an added bonus, this Wednesday is the 30th anniversary of Parker wearing the hockey mask and the double-bar mask (in the first and second games of a doubleheader, respectively).

The Parker stuff would have been enough to make my (or, I’d think, anyone’s) day. But then I heard from a guy named Mike Steiner, who wanted to talk about the White Sox’s shorts. It’s a topic fairly near and dear to his heart, because — brace yourself — he owns a pair of them.

There’s soooooo much to love in that display — the drawstring, the triple snaps, the striped inner stitching, the chain-stitched “Gossage 38” tag, that awesome dougout photo. And once I saw that Chicago Tribune article he’s got in there, I immediately tracked it down in the Trib’s archives. It has two photos I’d never seen before — look here and here. The article itself, which you can read here and here, includes some interesting details, including the fact that the Sox had wanted to wear the shorts earlier in the season but weren’t able to because, as Bill Veeck explained, “[W]e had to get the right pads under the socks to protect the knees.”

Steiner says the framed shorts display is the centerpiece of his extensive Chisox uniform collection, which is documented here. He’s got some great stuff, including beauties from 1946, 1967, 1970, and plenty more. Plus he’s also got an additional shorts photo I hadn’t previously seen (obviously part of this shoot, but you can’t have too many photos of this stuff).

All of which sent me into the weekend with a big smile on my face. Hope it puts a smile on yours, too.

Uni Watch News Ticker: I added this link to Friday’s entry in the middle of the day, so some of you may have missed it: If you want one of those Beanie Wells Heisman T-shirts, look here. … Here’s a sleeve patch I hadn’t seen before: New York City’s diamond jubilee, worn by the Mets on the dugout jackets in 1973 (big thanks to Paul Wiederecht). … Finally an action shot of shorts. That’s the Sacramento Solons, 1975 (big thanks to John Moist). … Also from John: interesting minor league shots of Pat Corrales, Shem Lollar, and a young Johnny Lemaster, plus a bunch of Pacific Coast League shots from 1975 (which is the year the PCL switched from flannels to double-knits). … Doug Mulliken reports that Kearney High near San Diego has worn this football uni at least since the 1960s. … The Chicago Athletic Association’s historian, Ron White, sent me a bunch of old materials showing the CAA’s logo (forerunner of the Cubs’ logo) in various settings. I’ve grouped it all into a slideshow here. … New addition to the list of smoking athletes: Jason Taylor (with thanks to Al Stone). … Interesting coincidence here (with thanks to Dave Bloomquist). … On Friday I asked why Carl Hubbell was referred to as “Ol’ Square Pants.” William Gornall responded with a few archival articles in which Hubbell is variously referred to as “the slim southpaw with the baggy pants, which tumbled halfway down his shinbone,” “colorless except for … his custom of wearing his uniform knickers long (claiming that he had no backside to hold them higher),” and “Old Long Pants.” But if you look at photos of Hubbell, his pants look pretty normal for his era. Odd. … Saw WALL-E the other day (really good, and not just because WALL-E collects bowling pins) and was intrigued by a trailer for a sappy-looking movie called The Perfect Game, which looks like it’s gonna feature some awesome Little League flannels. Check the trailer here. … Gary Majewski of the Reds wore stirrups on Friday. Screen shots (and Nicole Haase‘s living room light fixture) here and here. … Lots to admire (or at least marvel at) in Vanderbilt’s 1956 football uniforms (thanks, Ricko). … Ronnie Belliard’s latest stunt: wearing mismatched batting gloves (good catch by David McGee). … Check out the Blues’ blue and gold skates (nice find by Jaymes Progar). … “My local team, the Corpus Christi Hooks (AA for the Astros), wore 1958 Corpus Christi Giants throwback unis on Friday to honor the ’58 Texas League championship team,” writes Nicholas Bean. “Awesome unis, and I’m proud to say that every single player on the roster is wearing high socks and stirrups.” There’s a gallery here. … Awesome old baseball sweaters here, here, and here, and check out this turtleneck (thanks, Milesofsparks). … This is hilarious (kudos to K.C. Kless). … The Yankees have added a memorial armband for Bobby Murcer. … Randyt Williams notes that Melvin Mora appears to have blacked out the Franklin logos on his batting gloves. … More great label shots from Tommy Turner: This one is from these basketball shorts; this one is from a 1970 Colts jersey; and this one‘s from an Astros rainbow jersey. … The Raptors logo character usually has an R on his jersey, but Sean Doherty just noticed the logo on this page, which shows the character now wearing the team’s secondary logo. When did this switcheroo take place? … Tim Fiorvanti has put together a photo gallery of really great baseball paintings that are currently on display in NYC. … notes that Man U coach Sir Alex Ferguson is wearing his initials his top number. … Reprinted from Saturday’s comments: David DeJesus was wearing a black belt (instead of KC’s standard-issue blue) the other night. … Also from Saturday: Randy Johnson unveiled his own version of the Pedro Porthole over the weekend. … Still more from Saturday: You almost never see track and field athletes wearing glasses, but apparently Belgian heptathlete/high jumper Tia Hellebaut (additional pics here and here). … Double no-no for Paul LoDuca, who wore faux stirrups and white shoes on Sunday. … Wren Wanger sent along some pics of an Indians matchbox from 1992. … Gumball helmet collector/designer Bill Jones, who I profiled on ESPN several months back, has created stars/stripes versions of the A.L. and N.L. veterans caps. “The Angels and Brewers were TOUGH!” he says. … Larry Wiederecht has most of the All-Star Games from the 1980s on tape and has been doing some truly heroic video research for me. Many of his findings will be in my ESPN column tomorrow (a timeline of ASG uni aberrations), but a few are better suited for the Ticker: Check out this shot of John Stearns from the 1980 ASG. I hadn’t recalled that the Mets wore such huge uni numbers on their helmet brims at the time. This shot from the ’81 ASG shows the Braves’ Atlanta child murders ribbon decal on Bruce Benedict’s helmet. And here’s the real prize: In 1983, George Brett broke his left toe and wore a specially tailored Nike shoe on that foot to accommodate the bandage — even though he was wearing a non-Nike shoe on the other foot. Wow! … After all the speculation, UMich’s new football uniforms are shown here. Interesting to see that the road replica looks nothing like the authentic (which is a real stinker — woof!). … Stewart Small reports that Crystal Langhorne of the WNBA’s Washington Mystics had her NOB misspelled as “Langhorn” (missing the “e” on the end) during the first half of yesterday’s game against the Connecticut Sun. It was corrected in the second half.

 

176 comments to The Ricko Files, Vol. 2

  • Robert | July 14, 2008 at 9:01 am |

    During all of this Dave Parker mask-talk, I kept thinking to myself that I thought that he had worn a two-bar mask, but doubted myself since there was no mention of it here. I now feel better about my fading memory.

    I also now know why I remembered the two-bar mask: I too own a copy of “Baseball Superstars 1979” and wore it out back in that pre-information era. I really need to dig my old books out of the attic and work on some Ricko-like organization.

  • Russ | July 14, 2008 at 9:12 am |

    No big surprises based off what was leaked but the Detroit Free Press has a story on the new Adiadas Michigan football uni’s.
    http://www.freep.com...

  • LI Phil | July 14, 2008 at 9:14 am |

    paul’s new favorite soccer club?

  • LI Phil | July 14, 2008 at 9:22 am |

    manager in waiting?

    /only if jerry stumbles

  • Dane | July 14, 2008 at 9:22 am |

    No logo creep on this baseball jersey:

    http://www.missunive...

  • Hank | July 14, 2008 at 9:37 am |

    Those blueberry pancakes are to die for. Uuummmmm blueberries……….

  • chris | July 14, 2008 at 9:47 am |

    Display of the Welcome Back Veterans hats at Citizens Bank park

  • Jim | July 14, 2008 at 9:48 am |

    This might be a little over priced…

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    Sweet jersey though.

  • Beardface | July 14, 2008 at 9:49 am |

    For those who didn’t see this, because I posted it very late last night on yesterday’s comments… Here is a picture of VT’s new football unis for this year… already for sale on eBay…

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    And to respond to the last comment last night, no, VT has no veto power when it comes to Nike. When they want to change the uniforms, they change the uniforms. We have no ability to control what they want to do. Most fans are extremely disappointed with these new uniforms. Orange should be either the main color or just a trim color. To mix it with maroon like this is simply disgusting.

  • Rick | July 14, 2008 at 9:50 am |

    I saw the USA National Baseball (the collegiate one) play in The Netherlands this weekend. A few things that caught the attention:
    – they beat the Cuban Olympic team, and the Dutch Olympic team
    – NOB seemed to be optional: most players played with, some went NNOB. The ones without were left with a number that seemed far too low. (last picture here: http://www.honkbalwe...)
    – The numbers on the warm-up shirts didn’t match the game shirts.
    – For some reason they decided to go BP-jersey for the finals (http://www.honkbalsi...)
    – They did the same thing earlier in the week against the Dutch Caribean Team, which led to the interesting “Navy top/White pants” vs. “Navy top/White pants” matchup (http://www.honkbalsi...)
    – First time I ever saw the umpiring crew wear maroon. ‘Come on, maroon’? Wonder what that would turn into after a missed call :-).

  • Marty Met | July 14, 2008 at 9:53 am |

    Wow those Pirates uniforms look FANTASTIC!!!!

  • Like the River | July 14, 2008 at 9:54 am |

    Found some interesting “logo creep” over the weekend on Kasey Kahne. On his shoulders he has the puma logo blended into the logo.
    http://www.kaseykahn...
    http://www.kaseykahn...

    I know this is going to sound like blasphemy on here but if I have to have logo creep on something I would much rather have it look like that.

  • Josh Petty | July 14, 2008 at 9:56 am |

    I’m almost positive that all football/soccer managers (and their assistants) wear their initials on their shirts the way Sir Alex Ferguson is in the picture shown.

  • Rick | July 14, 2008 at 9:57 am |

    [quote comment=”279692″]Found some interesting “logo creep” over the weekend on Kasey Kahne. On his shoulders he has the puma logo blended into the logo.
    http://www.kaseykahn...
    http://www.kaseykahn...

    I know this is going to sound like blasphemy on here but if I have to have logo creep on something I would much rather have it look like that.[/quote]

    Except for the about a hundred other logos on there.

  • Jeremy Brahm | July 14, 2008 at 9:57 am |

    It is common for the coaches in the UK to have their initials on their gear in training

    AW for Arsene Wenger

    http://img.dailymail...

    RB for Rafa Benitez

    http://www.4thegame....

  • Brad | July 14, 2008 at 9:57 am |

    Soccer (sorry, football…) coaches (sorry, managers…) overseas commonly wear their initials on their official gear. I’m a big Chelsea fan and remember former manager Jose Mourinho wearing JM all the time. Pretty routine.

  • Brad | July 14, 2008 at 10:01 am |

    I’m wondering how old the picture of Alex Ferguson is. He is in the picture with Cristiano Ronaldo, with whom the team is going through an acrimonious transfer battle (I doubt that CR is currently at training). What is of note in that picture is that Ronaldo is wearing the wrong number (10) on his warm-up. He’s number 7 for Manchester United. Did he possibly snatch Wayne Rooney’s instead?

  • Josh Petty | July 14, 2008 at 10:02 am |

    [quote comment=”279689″]For those who didn’t see this, because I posted it very late last night on yesterday’s comments… Here is a picture of VT’s new football unis for this year… already for sale on eBay…

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    And to respond to the last comment last night, no, VT has no veto power when it comes to Nike. When they want to change the uniforms, they change the uniforms. We have no ability to control what they want to do. Most fans are extremely disappointed with these new uniforms. Orange should be either the main color or just a trim color. To mix it with maroon like this is simply disgusting.[/quote]

    It’s a real shame that we’ve reached the time when companies like Nike, Reebok, Adidas, etc. are telling teams what to wear, instead of teams telling it’s suppliers what to make. It’s just getting out of hand.

  • Tony In Erie (at home) | July 14, 2008 at 10:05 am |

    “The Perfect Game” would have been 100% cool looking if they didn’t play that damn Gloria Estefan song. Who actually LIKES that song?!

    One of the worst ever.

  • Mike | July 14, 2008 at 10:21 am |

    Any Pirates fans out there have any idea who the Bucs were honoring with these HUGE sleeve letters?

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

  • Kek | July 14, 2008 at 10:22 am |

    [quote comment=”279700″]Any Pirates fans out there have any idea who the Bucs were honoring with these HUGE sleeve letters?

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...
    Richard S. Calliguri (sp?) former mayor, died during that season.

  • LI Phil | July 14, 2008 at 10:28 am |

    [quote comment=”279698″][quote comment=”279689″]For those who didn’t see this, because I posted it very late last night on yesterday’s comments… Here is a picture of VT’s new football unis for this year… already for sale on eBay…

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    And to respond to the last comment last night, no, VT has no veto power when it comes to Nike. When they want to change the uniforms, they change the uniforms. We have no ability to control what they want to do. Most fans are extremely disappointed with these new uniforms. Orange should be either the main color or just a trim color. To mix it with maroon like this is simply disgusting.[/quote]

    It’s a real shame that we’ve reached the time when companies like Nike, Reebok, Adidas, etc. are telling teams what to wear, instead of teams telling it’s suppliers what to make. It’s just getting out of hand.[/quote]

    i assume the schools are free not to sign with these companies who pour untold millions of dollars into their multi-million dollar football programs, and to use the local supplier down the street

    or am i just being naïve?

  • John T | July 14, 2008 at 10:29 am |

    [quote comment=”279697″]I’m wondering how old the picture of Alex Ferguson is. He is in the picture with Cristiano Ronaldo, with whom the team is going through an acrimonious transfer battle (I doubt that CR is currently at training). What is of note in that picture is that Ronaldo is wearing the wrong number (10) on his warm-up. He’s number 7 for Manchester United. Did he possibly snatch Wayne Rooney’s instead?[/quote]

    I think that is from last year, it is common practice to have a weird number during pre-season training as the final squad numbers are not announced till just before the season starts, in case of any last minute transfers

    http://www.skysports...

    If you look at this gallery, you can see Ryan Giggs wearing a no. 68 (always wears 11) and also Rooney wearing the no. 9 shirt, but he wore the no. 10 shirt at the first pre-season match. Can be very confusing…

  • LI Phil | July 14, 2008 at 10:30 am |

    [quote comment=”279703″][quote comment=”279698″][quote comment=”279689″]For those who didn’t see this, because I posted it very late last night on yesterday’s comments… Here is a picture of VT’s new football unis for this year… already for sale on eBay…

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    And to respond to the last comment last night, no, VT has no veto power when it comes to Nike. When they want to change the uniforms, they change the uniforms. We have no ability to control what they want to do. Most fans are extremely disappointed with these new uniforms. Orange should be either the main color or just a trim color. To mix it with maroon like this is simply disgusting.[/quote]

    It’s a real shame that we’ve reached the time when companies like Nike, Reebok, Adidas, etc. are telling teams what to wear, instead of teams telling it’s suppliers what to make. It’s just getting out of hand.[/quote]

    i assume the schools are free not to sign with these companies who pour untold millions of dollars into their multi-million dollar football programs, and to use the local supplier down the street

    or am i just being naïve?[/quote]

    damn…hit enter…to continue…

    does the NC2A require certain uni manufacturers (i.e. only rbk, adidas, nike, UA, etc.), or can they basically choose anyone?

  • adam | July 14, 2008 at 10:30 am |

    [quote comment=”279697″]I’m wondering how old the picture of Alex Ferguson is. He is in the picture with Cristiano Ronaldo, with whom the team is going through an acrimonious transfer battle (I doubt that CR is currently at training). What is of note in that picture is that Ronaldo is wearing the wrong number (10) on his warm-up. He’s number 7 for Manchester United. Did he possibly snatch Wayne Rooney’s instead?[/quote]

    players routinely have a different number on the training tops than they do on their jerseys.
    don’t know for sure but i’d imagine it’s more of a pick from a pile of shirts that are the right size regardless of number.

  • Beardface | July 14, 2008 at 10:32 am |

    [quote comment=”279698″][quote comment=”279689″]For those who didn’t see this, because I posted it very late last night on yesterday’s comments… Here is a picture of VT’s new football unis for this year… already for sale on eBay…

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    And to respond to the last comment last night, no, VT has no veto power when it comes to Nike. When they want to change the uniforms, they change the uniforms. We have no ability to control what they want to do. Most fans are extremely disappointed with these new uniforms. Orange should be either the main color or just a trim color. To mix it with maroon like this is simply disgusting.[/quote]

    It’s a real shame that we’ve reached the time when companies like Nike, Reebok, Adidas, etc. are telling teams what to wear, instead of teams telling it’s suppliers what to make. It’s just getting out of hand.[/quote]
    I mean, I’ve heard that Beamer gets the absolute final say in the design of the uniforms, but his veto power is severely limited based on the fact that Nike has strongarmed him based on his contract.

    Also, apparently Nike (and now coaching staffs that have been convinced by Nike) is convinced that high school football players around the nation absolutely love their designs, hence why they keep getting more odd by the season. They think that these kids really want to go to the schools because of their uniforms, which is why each school is so drastically different. Its pretty bad that Nike can get it so right for the ‘White Out Game’ this year: http://www.beamerbal... and yet get it so wrong for the regular uniforms… Simply unreal

  • Smail | July 14, 2008 at 10:39 am |

    Looking at the UM replica and the Va Tech jersey, it seems like companies are trending towards European football designs.

  • The Ol Goaler | July 14, 2008 at 10:45 am |

    [quote comment=”279705″][quote comment=”279705″][quote comment=”279703″][quote comment=”279698″][quote comment=”279689″]For those who didn’t see this, because I posted it very late last night on yesterday’s comments… Here is a picture of VT’s new football unis for this year… already for sale on eBay…

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    And to respond to the last comment last night, no, VT has no veto power when it comes to Nike. When they want to change the uniforms, they change the uniforms. We have no ability to control what they want to do. Most fans are extremely disappointed with these new uniforms. Orange should be either the main color or just a trim color. To mix it with maroon like this is simply disgusting.[/quote]

    It’s a real shame that we’ve reached the time when companies like Nike, Reebok, Adidas, etc. are telling teams what to wear, instead of teams telling it’s suppliers what to make. It’s just getting out of hand.[/quote]

    i assume the schools are free not to sign with these companies who pour untold millions of dollars into their multi-million dollar football programs, and to use the local supplier down the street

    or am i just being naïve?[/quote]

    damn…hit enter…to continue…

    does the NC2A require certain uni manufacturers (i.e. only rbk, adidas, nike, UA, etc.), or can they basically choose anyone?[/quote]
    i assume the schools are free not to sign with these companies who pour untold millions of dollars into their multi-million dollar football programs, and to use the local supplier down the street

    or am i just being naïve?[/quote]

    damn…hit enter…to continue…

    does the NC2A require certain uni manufacturers (i.e. only rbk, adidas, nike, UA, etc.), or can they basically choose anyone?[/quote]
    NCAA schools can choose any manufacturer they like… the shoe/uni companies offer deals (like outfitting all that school’s various teams) which make it attractive for the schools to sign a contract with a specific supplier.

    Were I an NCAA AD, though, I’d darn sure have a “veto” clause in the contract!

  • Ferdinand Cesarano | July 14, 2008 at 10:46 am |

    As a few posters have pointed out, it is routine for football managers in England and Scotland to wear their initials on their training tops. (New Chelsea manager Luiz Felipe Scolari even wears “LFS”.)

    The only exception I have seen is Martin O’Neill, formerly manager of Celtic and now manager of Aston Villa, who wears number 31 on his shirt.

  • LI Phil | July 14, 2008 at 10:48 am |

    [quote]Also, apparently Nike (and now coaching staffs that have been convinced by Nike) is convinced that high school football players around the nation absolutely love their designs, hence why they keep getting more odd by the season. They think that these kids really want to go to the schools because of their uniforms, which is why each school is so drastically different.[/quote]

    unfortunately, i have to agree with what you have said…but i think it’s a two-way street…the schools WANT to stand out (hence nike and OTHER MAKERS outlandish designs), which in turn gives swoosh and 3 stripe and UA basic artistic license to ‘get creative’…BECAUSE the kids today do get influenced by the crapola on the field…

    i mean…who would want to go to penn state or notre dame…they’re boring, right? god forbid a kid should select a school for the actual right reasons…but then, there are no real student athletes anymore, anyway, so who gives a shit

  • Beardface | July 14, 2008 at 10:55 am |

    [quote comment=”279709″][quote comment=”279705″][quote comment=”279705″][quote comment=”279703″][quote comment=”279698″][quote comment=”279689″]For those who didn’t see this, because I posted it very late last night on yesterday’s comments… Here is a picture of VT’s new football unis for this year… already for sale on eBay…

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    And to respond to the last comment last night, no, VT has no veto power when it comes to Nike. When they want to change the uniforms, they change the uniforms. We have no ability to control what they want to do. Most fans are extremely disappointed with these new uniforms. Orange should be either the main color or just a trim color. To mix it with maroon like this is simply disgusting.[/quote]

    It’s a real shame that we’ve reached the time when companies like Nike, Reebok, Adidas, etc. are telling teams what to wear, instead of teams telling it’s suppliers what to make. It’s just getting out of hand.[/quote]

    i assume the schools are free not to sign with these companies who pour untold millions of dollars into their multi-million dollar football programs, and to use the local supplier down the street

    or am i just being naïve?[/quote]

    damn…hit enter…to continue…

    does the NC2A require certain uni manufacturers (i.e. only rbk, adidas, nike, UA, etc.), or can they basically choose anyone?[/quote]
    i assume the schools are free not to sign with these companies who pour untold millions of dollars into their multi-million dollar football programs, and to use the local supplier down the street

    or am i just being naïve?[/quote]

    damn…hit enter…to continue…

    does the NC2A require certain uni manufacturers (i.e. only rbk, adidas, nike, UA, etc.), or can they basically choose anyone?[/quote]
    NCAA schools can choose any manufacturer they like… the shoe/uni companies offer deals (like outfitting all that school’s various teams) which make it attractive for the schools to sign a contract with a specific supplier.

    Were I an NCAA AD, though, I’d darn sure have a “veto” clause in the contract![/quote]
    There are veto clauses, but Nike makes it worth your while to take on any designs they come up with…

    Even though you get the veto power, the monetary compensation for allowing them to make your designs outweighs the benefit of actually using the veto power… I mean, look at the schools that Nike doesn’t change, they have enough funding otherwise to not need their compensation… VT is getting to that point, but unfortunately after a decade of getting screwed by the Big East financially, we are still forced to take what we can get…

  • war damn jeffrey | July 14, 2008 at 10:58 am |

    [quote comment=”279686″]Those blueberry pancakes are to die for. Uuummmmm blueberries……….[/quote]

    i almost left my job immediately to search for similar fare.

  • Talon Lardner | July 14, 2008 at 11:01 am |

    [quote comment=”279711″][quote]Also, apparently Nike (and now coaching staffs that have been convinced by Nike) is convinced that high school football players around the nation absolutely love their designs, hence why they keep getting more odd by the season. They think that these kids really want to go to the schools because of their uniforms, which is why each school is so drastically different.[/quote]

    unfortunately, i have to agree with what you have said…but i think it’s a two-way street…the schools WANT to stand out (hence nike and OTHER MAKERS outlandish designs), which in turn gives swoosh and 3 stripe and UA basic artistic license to ‘get creative’…BECAUSE the kids today do get influenced by the crapola on the field…

    i mean…who would want to go to penn state or notre dame…they’re boring, right? god forbid a kid should select a school for the actual right reasons…but then, there are no real student athletes anymore, anyway, so who gives a shit[/quote]

    I could make the argument that Penn State’s uniform isn’t the pinnacle of uniform design, but I think I’ll choose my battle a bit more wisely here. I do think that there should be more flexibility in uniform designs, helps keep things from getting stagnant.

    But yeah, it’s a shame the student athlete in college is going to the crapper in Division I schools. Is this a current problem, or has it always been this way?

  • Dan E | July 14, 2008 at 11:02 am |

    Wow — those Parker and Sox Shorts shots just made my week. Thanks, Paul!

  • Paul Lukas | July 14, 2008 at 11:04 am |

    [quote comment=”279713″]Even though you get the veto power, the monetary compensation for allowing them to make your designs outweighs the benefit of actually using the veto power… [/quote]

    In other words, the uniforms are a form of advertising for the sportswear companies, and the schools have sold out to that advertising. Which is what I’ve been saying all along.

  • War Damn Eagle | July 14, 2008 at 11:08 am |

    [quote comment=”279698″][quote comment=”279689″]For those who didn’t see this, because I posted it very late last night on yesterday’s comments… Here is a picture of VT’s new football unis for this year… already for sale on eBay…

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    And to respond to the last comment last night, no, VT has no veto power when it comes to Nike. When they want to change the uniforms, they change the uniforms. We have no ability to control what they want to do. Most fans are extremely disappointed with these new uniforms. Orange should be either the main color or just a trim color. To mix it with maroon like this is simply disgusting.[/quote]

    It’s a real shame that we’ve reached the time when companies like Nike, Reebok, Adidas, etc. are telling teams what to wear, instead of teams telling it’s suppliers what to make. It’s just getting out of hand.[/quote]

    It’s not like that for all schools. I know that Auburn’s deal with Under Armour specifically included a provision that they maintain the traditional look of the football uniforms. That is why Auburn’s football uniform looks nothing like the other major college programs wearing Under Armour (Maryland, South Carolina, Texas Tech). Amen to the guys who made sure Auburn would never wear some new-age template.

  • LI Phil | July 14, 2008 at 11:11 am |

    [quote comment=”279717″][quote comment=”279713″]Even though you get the veto power, the monetary compensation for allowing them to make your designs outweighs the benefit of actually using the veto power… [/quote]

    In other words, the uniforms are a form of advertising for the sportswear companies, and the schools have sold out to that advertising. Which is what I’ve been saying all along.[/quote]

    100% totally and completely agreed

    you have been saying it since before there even was a UWblog…

    i don’t think anyone denies this…we are only debating the extent to which this is financially, ethically, morally and just plain commonsensically a factor…

    to wit:

    ME to a hawt chick: “would you sleep with me for $10 million”

    HER: “why yes”

    ME: “would you sleep with me for 10 bucks”?

    HER: “what kind of a woman do you think i am?”

    ME: “we’ve already established that, now we’re just negotiating a price”

  • Perry | July 14, 2008 at 11:16 am |

    I hope some of you were able to catch “Paper Lion” on TCM Friday night. I only stumbled across the last 40 minutes or so myself, but that was the uni-centric part. If you haven’t seen it, it’s a film version of George Plimpton’s classic book, released in 1968 and starring Alan Alda as Plimpton and the rest of the Lions as themselves. (It launched Alex Karras into a legit acting career, but the rest of them are pretty bad.) Pretty much the whole last half hour is close-up, field-level film of an actual 1967 preseason game between the Lions and the St. Louis Cardinals from Busch Stadium. Many of the players, coaches, and officials were miked, and the whole thing was presented in glorious widescreen Technicolor. It’s apparently not available on DVD, only VHS, which I’m guessing would not look nearly as good as the flawless widescreen print TCM showed. If you missed it, keep an eye out for a re-broadcast, the uni-watching opportunities are immense.

  • Ricko | July 14, 2008 at 11:19 am |

    Obviously major schools with long and strong footballl tradtions such as Penn State, USC, UCLA, LSU, Alabama, Florida, Ohio State, Ole Miss and many others…must have more clout with their suppliers because their traditional unis have survived.

    Just as obviously, plenty of the other schools apparently are willing to let outsiders tell them what looks good…”trust the marketing experts,” as it were. Even, and this one is especially hard to fathom, Michigan.

    (rolls eyes)

  • BuckeyeMark | July 14, 2008 at 11:20 am |

    there are legions of us who think Michigan’s unis look lousy because … they’re Michigan!

  • LI Phil | July 14, 2008 at 11:24 am |

    [quote comment=”279721″]Obviously major schools with long and strong footballl tradtions such as … Florida, …must have more clout with their suppliers because their traditional unis have survived.[/quote]

    no…florida would never go non-traditional for nike

  • Kek | July 14, 2008 at 11:24 am |

    [quote comment=”279720″]I hope some of you were able to catch “Paper Lion” on TCM Friday night. I only stumbled across the last 40 minutes or so myself, but that was the uni-centric part. If you haven’t seen it, it’s a film version of George Plimpton’s classic book, released in 1968 and starring Alan Alda as Plimpton and the rest of the Lions as themselves. (It launched Alex Karras into a legit acting career, but the rest of them are pretty bad.) Pretty much the whole last half hour is close-up, field-level film of an actual 1967 preseason game between the Lions and the St. Louis Cardinals from Busch Stadium. Many of the players, coaches, and officials were miked, and the whole thing was presented in glorious widescreen Technicolor. It’s apparently not available on DVD, only VHS, which I’m guessing would not look nearly as good as the flawless widescreen print TCM showed. If you missed it, keep an eye out for a re-broadcast, the uni-watching opportunities are immense.[/quote]
    Perry, thanks for the heads up I have that on the DVR at home and I didn’t watch it yet but I’ll be sure to keep it rather than erase it.

  • LI Phil | July 14, 2008 at 11:28 am |

    oh…and to follow up on yesterdays header…

    apparently, a former nfl player was on boomer and carton (WFAN in ny) this morning

  • Beardface | July 14, 2008 at 11:31 am |

    [quote comment=”279721″]Obviously major schools with long and strong footballl tradtions such as Penn State, USC, UCLA, LSU, Alabama, Florida, Ohio State, Ole Miss and many others…must have more clout with their suppliers because their traditional unis have survived.

    Just as obviously, plenty of the other schools apparently are willing to let outsiders tell them what looks good…”trust the marketing experts,” as it were. Even, and this one is especially hard to fathom, Michigan.

    (rolls eyes)[/quote]
    Not true… USC was much more traditional before Nike came in. Remember, they used to have the shoulder tri-stripe before they went to the new-at-the-time shoulder horn. If they didn’t become so good so quickly, I highly doubt this would have been their only change, and you better believe that if the price is right, they’ll change again.

    And remember the orange sleeves for Florida?

  • Ditchfarmer | July 14, 2008 at 11:32 am |

    George Brett sporting a Spotbilt shoe on one foot, haven’t seen one of those in 20 years.

  • Paul Lukas | July 14, 2008 at 11:37 am |

    [quote comment=”279727″]George Brett sporting a Spotbilt shoe on one foot, haven’t seen one of those in 20 years.[/quote]

    Gotta admit, I had no idea what brand the non-Nike shoe was…..

  • LI Phil | July 14, 2008 at 11:41 am |

    [quote comment=”279726″]And remember the orange sleeves for Florida?[/quote]

    heh

  • chance | July 14, 2008 at 11:43 am |

    [quote comment=”279710″]As a few posters have pointed out, it is routine for football managers in England and Scotland to wear their initials on their training tops. (New Chelsea manager Luiz Felipe Scolari even wears “LFS”.)

    The only exception I have seen is Martin O’Neill, formerly manager of Celtic and now manager of Aston Villa, who wears number 31 on his shirt.[/quote]

    Obviously we’re not the only ones who noticed that.

  • The Ghost of Ross Gload | July 14, 2008 at 11:45 am |

    You can also spot English-style initials on the coaching staff of MLS’ New England Revolution. Their head coach is Steve Nicol, a longtime Liverpool player with 27 caps for Scotland.

    The Revs staff wear their training gear during most games that I have seen, which is atypical for MLS – the head coaches usually wear suit/tie, a dress shirt, or team polos. I can’t say it’s typical for England, either – when I catch an EPL game on FSC, most of the managers I’ve seen have been in suit and tie.

  • walton | July 14, 2008 at 11:47 am |

    say what you will about nike, but they never messed up umich’s or osu’s uniforms.

    adidas really seems to have dropped the ball on the umich away’s, or maybe this is the kind of bushleague nonsense we should expect heaing into the richrod era.

    at least they kept the home-navy’s classic.

    oh well, just always felt better beating michigan when they dressed respectably.

  • Marty Met | July 14, 2008 at 11:50 am |

    [quote comment=”279728″][quote comment=”279727″]George Brett sporting a Spotbilt shoe on one foot, haven’t seen one of those in 20 years.[/quote]

    Gotta admit, I had no idea what brand the non-Nike shoe was…..[/quote]

    Hyde/Spotbilt were very popular in the late 60’s and 70’s for both football and baseball (OJ Simpson wore them and did print ads). Some time in the early Hyde Athletic Industries, Inc. formally changed its name to Saucony.

  • smitty | July 14, 2008 at 11:51 am |

    t-wolves logo is even more derivative than stealing from some crummy poker chip. It’s also quite similar to the symbol for the 104th Infantry Division as seen here:
    http://www.104infdiv...

  • Beardface | July 14, 2008 at 11:52 am |

    [quote comment=”279732″]say what you will about nike, but they never messed up umich’s or osu’s uniforms.

    adidas really seems to have dropped the ball on the umich away’s, or maybe this is the kind of bushleague nonsense we should expect heaing into the richrod era.

    at least they kept the home-navy’s classic.

    oh well, just always felt better beating michigan when they dressed respectably.[/quote]
    When RichRod gets the players for his system, his team will run circles around the Big Ten.

    He’s going to bring SEC-speed to the Big Ten, and we all know how well the Big Ten has fared against SEC speed in recent years…

  • Ricko | July 14, 2008 at 11:54 am |

    Damn, forgot about that orange sleeve. In my defense, Florida was the last school I decided to include in that list, thinking that they still had their striped pants and sleeves (both of them, most of the time).

    Now, as to USC…the shoulder horn WAS a return to traditional. It pre-dates the tri-color sleeve stripes. The shoulder horn goes back to Jon Arnett, Mike Garrett, O.J. Simpson, Pete Beathard, Ron Yary, the McKeevers, Bob Chandler…pretty much from the mid-50s and into the 70s. And they kept the same stripes pants as always.

  • Shane | July 14, 2008 at 11:54 am |

    I can’t wait to see those Beanie Wells T-shirts show up in various mug shots in the coming months!

  • War Damn Eagle | July 14, 2008 at 11:59 am |

    I never knew this about the Mets logo:

    The New York Mets logo may look simple, but there’s more than meets the eye. Created by sports cartoonist Ray Gatto, the only logo the organization has ever seen was first used in 1962. A unique fact is that each part of the skyline in the design has a special meaning. The featured buildings in the logo include a church spire (symbolic of Brooklyn), the Williamsburg Savings Bank, the Woolworth Building, the Empire State Building and the United Nations Building. The bridge symbolizes that the Mets represent the five boroughs of New York.

    http://inventorspot....

  • Teebz | July 14, 2008 at 12:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”279688″]This might be a little over priced…

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    Sweet jersey though.[/quote]

    Considering that Meloche would have never fit into a 44 or 46, it might be authentic, but it would never be game-worn. The guy says he’s unsure, but I’ll go on record and state that it will never be.

    A 44 is equivalent to a men’s large in hockey jerseys/sweaters, and were made more snugly back then. With pads on, that jersey would be extremely snug.

    And $6000? C’mon….

  • Ricko | July 14, 2008 at 12:05 pm |

    Got one for you, and it’s uni-related because his number, though odd for a QB, never changed because technically it didn’t violate the NFL’s numbering code at the time.

    Was reading a history of the quarerback in pro football…and this interesting trivia question emerged. Who the first New York Giants’ modern quarterback?

  • Jim | July 14, 2008 at 12:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”279739″][quote comment=”279688″]This might be a little over priced…

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    Sweet jersey though.[/quote]

    Considering that Meloche would have never fit into a 44 or 46, it might be authentic, but it would never be game-worn. The guy says he’s unsure, but I’ll go on record and state that it will never be.

    A 44 is equivalent to a men’s large in hockey jerseys/sweaters, and were made more snugly back then. With pads on, that jersey would be extremely snug.

    And $6000? C’mon….[/quote]

    That’s what I said, with pads, wouldn’t fit him. Even if it were game worn, 6000 is still too high.

  • Paul F | July 14, 2008 at 12:12 pm |

    Does anyone know if NC State is still an Adidas school? I was at the Nike Outlet Store in Smithfield, NC and saw Brandon Costner(Forward for State’s BBAll team) and he was buying an assload of nike crap. I was gonna call him out on it but i realized he was about 6’6″…

  • James Craven | July 14, 2008 at 12:16 pm |

    Yes, NC State is an adidas school in football and men’s hoops. Nike handles the women’s hoops and Majestic has the baseball pact.

    BTW, The Miami Herald is reporting that Billy packer is out as CBS Sports NCAA Basketball lead anaylist, and Clark Kellogg will replace hiom.

  • Chad | July 14, 2008 at 12:17 pm |

    is that a numbered stirrup? http://farm4.static....

  • Chad G | July 14, 2008 at 12:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”279726″][quote comment=”279721″]Obviously major schools with long and strong footballl tradtions such as Penn State, USC, UCLA, LSU, Alabama, Florida, Ohio State, Ole Miss and many others…must have more clout with their suppliers because their traditional unis have survived.

    Just as obviously, plenty of the other schools apparently are willing to let outsiders tell them what looks good…”trust the marketing experts,” as it were. Even, and this one is especially hard to fathom, Michigan.

    (rolls eyes)[/quote]
    Not true… USC was much more traditional before Nike came in. Remember, they used to have the shoulder tri-stripe before they went to the new-at-the-time shoulder horn. If they didn’t become so good so quickly, I highly doubt this would have been their only change, and you better believe that if the price is right, they’ll change again.

    And remember the orange sleeves for Florida?[/quote]

    Beardface, the Uni’s that USC wears now is their traditional uniform.
    compare this
    http://images.cnhi.z...
    to this
    http://graphics.fans...
    the three sleeve stripes and the red facemask wer

    http://cache.viewima... a stray from tradition.

  • Ricko | July 14, 2008 at 12:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”279723″][quote comment=”279721″]Obviously major schools with long and strong footballl tradtions such as … Florida, …must have more clout with their suppliers because their traditional unis have survived.[/quote]

    no…florida would never go non-traditional for nike[/quote]

    Granted, but they didn’t jettison the traditional striping…just gave the one-shoulder-looking-stupid design a try. And, boy, it sure caught on, didn’t it, LOL.

  • Chad G | July 14, 2008 at 12:26 pm |

    whoops, here is that last link
    http://cache.viewima...

  • =bg= | July 14, 2008 at 12:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”279728″][quote comment=”279727″]George Brett sporting a Spotbilt shoe on one foot, haven’t seen one of those in 20 years.[/quote]

    Gotta admit, I had no idea what brand the non-Nike shoe was…..[/quote]

    Yeah, Spot-Bilt was what the Juice wore in the NFL. Saucony is a descendant of those.

    http://www.spotbilt....
    http://www.spotbilt....

  • Johnny O | July 14, 2008 at 12:39 pm |

    OK… so I was one day early yesterday… but I would like to give a Uni Watch birthday wish to fellow Cheesehead Nicole Haase today!

    What better birthday gift than to have Ben Sheets named as the NL starter today!?

    Again… Happy Birthday!

  • Ben | July 14, 2008 at 12:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”279735″][quote comment=”279732″]say what you will about nike, but they never messed up umich’s or osu’s uniforms.

    adidas really seems to have dropped the ball on the umich away’s, or maybe this is the kind of bushleague nonsense we should expect heaing into the richrod era.

    at least they kept the home-navy’s classic.

    oh well, just always felt better beating michigan when they dressed respectably.[/quote]
    When RichRod gets the players for his system, his team will run circles around the Big Ten.

    He’s going to bring SEC-speed to the Big Ten, and we all know how well the Big Ten has fared against SEC speed in recent years…[/quote]

    yeah because wisconsin hasnt beaten the SEC in 2 of their last 3 bowl games (think jack ikeguwonu chasing down darren mcfaggen)

  • Ben | July 14, 2008 at 12:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”279752″][quote comment=”279735″][quote comment=”279732″]say what you will about nike, but they never messed up umich’s or osu’s uniforms.

    adidas really seems to have dropped the ball on the umich away’s, or maybe this is the kind of bushleague nonsense we should expect heaing into the richrod era.

    at least they kept the home-navy’s classic.

    oh well, just always felt better beating michigan when they dressed respectably.[/quote]
    When RichRod gets the players for his system, his team will run circles around the Big Ten.

    He’s going to bring SEC-speed to the Big Ten, and we all know how well the Big Ten has fared against SEC speed in recent years…[/quote]

    yeah because wisconsin hasnt beaten the SEC in 2 of their last 3 bowl games (think jack ikeguwonu chasing down darren mcfaggen)[/quote]
    http://www.jsonline....
    http://www.jsonline....

  • bmarlowe | July 14, 2008 at 12:48 pm |

    The Chicago Athletic Association’s historian, Ron White, sent me a bunch of old materials showing the CAA’s logo (forerunner of the Cubs’ logo) in various settings.
    —————

    Why does this myth persist? The first Cubs logo that was very similar to the CAA logo did not appear until 1979, and it clearly evolved from earlier forms of the logo.

    There is no evidence of a connection.

  • Brian W | July 14, 2008 at 12:48 pm |

    As a Pirate fan, who grew up during the ’70s, I LOVE the Dave Parker pics.

    Thanks for the memories Ricko!

  • Beardface | July 14, 2008 at 12:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”279752″][quote comment=”279735″][quote comment=”279732″]say what you will about nike, but they never messed up umich’s or osu’s uniforms.

    adidas really seems to have dropped the ball on the umich away’s, or maybe this is the kind of bushleague nonsense we should expect heaing into the richrod era.

    at least they kept the home-navy’s classic.

    oh well, just always felt better beating michigan when they dressed respectably.[/quote]
    When RichRod gets the players for his system, his team will run circles around the Big Ten.

    He’s going to bring SEC-speed to the Big Ten, and we all know how well the Big Ten has fared against SEC speed in recent years…[/quote]

    yeah because wisconsin hasnt beaten the SEC in 2 of their last 3 bowl games (think jack ikeguwonu chasing down darren mcfaggen)[/quote]
    I was more referencing the conference champion getting stomped by the SEC in each of the last 2 title games…

  • Johnny O | July 14, 2008 at 12:57 pm |

    Will Favre play for the Pack? Or another team? Here is what he would look like in another uni…

    http://msn.foxsports...

  • jesse | July 14, 2008 at 1:08 pm |

    I was more referencing the conference champion getting stomped by the SEC in each of the last 2 title games…

    Which is more about Ohio State than the rest of the Big Ten. While OSU has never beatedn an SEC team in a Bowl, Penn State, Michigan and Wisconsin have all held serve or better.

  • joe | July 14, 2008 at 1:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”279754″]The Chicago Athletic Association’s historian, Ron White, sent me a bunch of old materials showing the CAA’s logo (forerunner of the Cubs’ logo) in various settings.
    —————

    Why does this myth persist? The first Cubs logo that was very similar to the CAA logo did not appear until 1979, and it clearly evolved from earlier forms of the logo.

    There is no evidence of a connection.[/quote]

    1979, 1909 what the difference?

    http://exhibits.base...

  • Husker E10 | July 14, 2008 at 1:20 pm |

    Michigan needs to update their website.

    http://www.mgoblue.c...

    They have a story about their new adidas uniforms and then right below that, they have their headlines, sponsored by NIKE. Way to play both side of the fields, Michigan.

  • Mr. Met | July 14, 2008 at 1:24 pm |

    Let me tell you, if big Dave Parker came walking up the baseline with that hockey mask on, and I was playing first base, I’d be the subject of the Uniwatch ticker the following morning with Paul probably saying something like “did anyone catch the Pirates – Mets game last night? It looked like the first baseman had a yellow stain running down his pinstriped uni pants. Can someone post a screengrab?”

  • Keith B | July 14, 2008 at 1:27 pm |

    The manager’s/coaches’ initials are probably more of a help for the laundry blokes than anyone else. You think some of these soccer [football?] teams have a lot unis (3 strips for league play, another strip for European leagues, cups, etc.), you should see the variety of training/bench/warm-up/cold-weather gear they have. Check out any of the EPL online shops for what they sell and look at the training pictures they post. Some of that gear is sweet–some is just detestable.

    And yeah, some football team unis are borrowing from these soccer designs–why should these outfitters try to reinvent the wheel since their bread is really buttered by the soccer fanatics in the other parts of the world. I’m sure the American market is just a drop in the bucket compared to the worldwide love of “the beautiful game.”

  • LI Phil | July 14, 2008 at 1:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”279761″]Let me tell you, if big Dave Parker came walking up the baseline with that hockey mask on, and I was playing first base, I’d be the subject of the Uniwatch ticker the following morning with Paul probably saying something like “did anyone catch the Pirates – Mets game last night? It looked like the first baseman had a yellow stain running down his pinstriped uni pants. Can someone post a screengrab?”[/quote]

    well, they might actually have to wear the pins then

  • Walaitis | July 14, 2008 at 1:29 pm |

    Since the occasional discussion on airline flight attendant uniforms occasionally pops up, I suppose this in uni-related …

    Let me just offer up a bit of advice to all my Uni-friends. If you happen to have a wife who:

    A. Is ultra competetive in everything she does
    B. Is unhappy with her current weight
    C. Gets to a point of losing half her weight goal (in this case, losing 45 pounds when wanting to get down 90 pounds total) and asks you “if I meet my goal weight, would you take me to Paris” (France – specifically, she mentions not so kiddingly)

    Don’t say yes unless you plan to carry through.

    And on that note, I will be offline after today and until next Wednesday (or longer, depending on the level of jetlag). And I apologize now if I come back typing with a wimpy pathetic accent.

    Au revoir!

    PS – Phil, I leave you in charge of bad puns until I get back.

  • LI Phil | July 14, 2008 at 1:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”279764″]Since the occasional discussion on airline flight attendant uniforms occasionally pops up, I suppose this in uni-related …

    Let me just offer up a bit of advice to all my Uni-friends. If you happen to have a wife who:

    A. Is ultra competetive in everything she does
    B. Is unhappy with her current weight
    C. Gets to a point of losing half her weight goal (in this case, losing 45 pounds when wanting to get down 90 pounds total) and asks you “if I meet my goal weight, would you take me to Paris” (France – specifically, she mentions not so kiddingly)

    Don’t say yes unless you plan to carry through.

    And on that note, I will be offline after today and until next Wednesday (or longer, depending on the level of jetlag). And I apologize now if I come back typing with a wimpy pathetic accent.

    Au revoir!

    PS – Phil, I leave you in charge of bad puns until I get back.[/quote]

    jim…does she have a sister?

  • chance | July 14, 2008 at 1:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”279754″]The Chicago Athletic Association’s historian, Ron White, sent me a bunch of old materials showing the CAA’s logo (forerunner of the Cubs’ logo) in various settings.
    —————

    Why does this myth persist? The first Cubs logo that was very similar to the CAA logo did not appear until 1979, and it clearly evolved from earlier forms of the logo.

    There is no evidence of a connection.[/quote]

    Others disagree.

  • LI Phil | July 14, 2008 at 1:34 pm |

    umm….h/o a sec…

    i just re-read that…i thought she wanted to get down to 90 pounds not LOSE 90 lbs…

    but hey…she lost 45…congrats

  • bmarlowe | July 14, 2008 at 1:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”279766″][quote comment=”279754″]The Chicago Athletic Association’s historian, Ron White, sent me a bunch of old materials showing the CAA’s logo (forerunner of the Cubs’ logo) in various settings.
    —————

    Why does this myth persist? The first Cubs logo that was very similar to the CAA logo did not appear until 1979, and it clearly evolved from earlier forms of the logo.

    There is no evidence of a connection.[/quote]

    Others disagree.[/quote]
    ___________

    No – if you would actually read the link you referenced you would see it agrees with me – no connection. This is a CAA fairy tale.

  • Samuel Lam | July 14, 2008 at 1:55 pm |

    the Raptors switch happened this offseason. It was then that the Raps used the red theme on their logo. Previous years still had the purple on it

  • Willy Billy | July 14, 2008 at 1:56 pm |

    Just a quick comment on the Kearney HS football unis. First Kearney is definitely in San Diego, not near it. Also, my aunt went to Kearney and was on the swim team. She said their swimsuits were horizontally striped maroon and white, just similar to the football unis. She said by the end of the year, all of the girls would have striped tans on their bodies because the sun would shine through the white stripes while the maroon stripes would block the UV rays. I have no idea if they still use those swimsuits.

  • j gillespie | July 14, 2008 at 1:56 pm |

    Wasn’t the ‘RSC’ in the 1988 Mike LaVailliere photo for deceased Pittsburgh mayor- Richard S. Caliguri? Had to look it up- but recalled it was for a non-team memorial

  • Skycat | July 14, 2008 at 1:58 pm |

    Someone’s idea of the worst baseball uniforms from 1900-49.

    http://maintainingmy...

  • Eric B in KC | July 14, 2008 at 2:02 pm |

    the royals always wear black belts.

    http://newsimg.bbc.c...

    http://www.baseballm...

  • Walaitis | July 14, 2008 at 2:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”279767″]umm….h/o a sec…

    i just re-read that…i thought she wanted to get down to 90 pounds not LOSE 90 lbs…

    but hey…she lost 45…congrats[/quote]

    I’d be afraid to see her that way … she’d either need crutches in front of her, or counter weights behind her if that were the case. I’ll take her just as she is, thanks! :)

    No sisters, btw, but one brother who does weigh about 90 pounds … and we’ve always questioned his choices in life …

  • DawgFan | July 14, 2008 at 2:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”279721″]Obviously major schools with long and strong footballl tradtions such as Penn State, USC, UCLA, LSU, Alabama, Florida, Ohio State, Ole Miss and many others…must have more clout with their suppliers because their traditional unis have survived.

    Just as obviously, plenty of the other schools apparently are willing to let outsiders tell them what looks good…”trust the marketing experts,” as it were. Even, and this one is especially hard to fathom, Michigan.

    (rolls eyes)[/quote]

    Louisiana Tech must be elite as well, Nike hasn’t changed our unis.

    Pre-Nike:
    http://cache.viewima...

    Nike:
    http://bearsnecessit...

  • Jim | July 14, 2008 at 2:13 pm |

    The goalie mask that Dave Parker is wearing is a Mylec street hockey mask. There is not a hole cut from the right eye, that is just a reflection.
    Pirates fans take note, the mask is still manufactured (first on listed): http://www.mylec.com...

    As a long time ice hockey goalkeeper, I tell you that if Parker had been hit in the face while wearing that cheap mask, he would have been spitting out chunks of plastic for days! I can’t believe they sent him to the plate in what is really just a toy. He should have worn a real goalie mask, that is one made with reenforced fiberglass.

    That mask was made in the Bernie Parent/Jacques Plante style. They also made, and apparently still do, a Tony Esposito style mask, which is the last one listed. Tony and Phil Esposito were the spokesmen for Mylec back in the 1970s.

  • alex | July 14, 2008 at 2:24 pm |

    Some concept jerseys for the Oilers have been floating around on the internets.

    I found these at icethetics.blogspot.com

    http://bp3.blogger.c...
    http://bp0.blogger.c...

  • Jim | July 14, 2008 at 2:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”279772″]Someone’s idea of the worst baseball uniforms from 1900-49.

    http://maintainingmy...

    Wow… somebody hates Chicago

  • Beardface | July 14, 2008 at 2:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”279775″][quote comment=”279721″]Obviously major schools with long and strong footballl tradtions such as Penn State, USC, UCLA, LSU, Alabama, Florida, Ohio State, Ole Miss and many others…must have more clout with their suppliers because their traditional unis have survived.

    Just as obviously, plenty of the other schools apparently are willing to let outsiders tell them what looks good…”trust the marketing experts,” as it were. Even, and this one is especially hard to fathom, Michigan.

    (rolls eyes)[/quote]

    Louisiana Tech must be elite as well, Nike hasn’t changed our unis.

    Pre-Nike:
    http://cache.viewima...

    Nike:
    http://bearsnecessit...
    Yeah…. they’re just not visible enough for Nike to care… Trust me, win a few conference titles, appear in a BCS bowl or 2, and you’ll have piping and blocks of color all over the f’n place

  • Johnny F. | July 14, 2008 at 2:30 pm |

    I don’t know if it’s been seen before on this site…and I remember Paul looking for shots of the old Yankee monuments in play…here’s a famous one I’ve been given a link to of Bobby Murcer making a throw back into the infield, after a long drive to the deep part of the park. Considering Murcer’s passing, and the all-star game being played at Yankee Stadium (during it’s last year), I thought the link would be appropriate.

    http://www.photobuck...

  • Johnny O | July 14, 2008 at 2:38 pm |

    Maybe some fellow Brew Crew fans can answer me this question… If you scroll down and look to the bottom left corner of the Brewers official website (www.brewers.com) it depicts the word “Milwaukee” in the Brewers current updated text. Now, being from Wisconsin, I see some t-shirts with that design on them floating around once in a while, (Mainly with FIELDER and BRAUN on the back of them) but obviously have never seen them on a jersey since the Crew are one of the only teams left that don’t put their city name on their uni’s. Is it possible the Crew are adding this to their road uni? I know they have to submit uni changes a year or so in advance… any word on that? That would be frickin’ sweet if they did.

    As a side note, the Crew do have “Milwaukee” on their Retro Friday BP uni’s… which I find weird since they only sport those uni’s at home.

  • Johnny O | July 14, 2008 at 2:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”279781″]Maybe some fellow Brew Crew fans can answer me this question… If you scroll down and look to the bottom left corner of the Brewers official website (www.brewers.com) it depicts the word “Milwaukee” in the Brewers current updated text. Now, being from Wisconsin, I see some t-shirts with that design on them floating around once in a while, (Mainly with FIELDER and BRAUN on the back of them) but obviously have never seen them on a jersey since the Crew are one of the only teams left that don’t put their city name on their uni’s. Is it possible the Crew are adding this to their road uni? I know they have to submit uni changes a year or so in advance… any word on that? That would be frickin’ sweet if they did.

    As a side note, the Crew do have “Milwaukee” on their Retro Friday BP uni’s… which I find weird since they only sport those uni’s at home.[/quote]

    Here is a link to the Brewers 1989 Uni’s for a comparison on the old, and new “Milwaukee” script:
    http://exhibits.base...

  • LI Phil | July 14, 2008 at 2:48 pm |

    johnny,

    are you talking about this (at least the ‘milwaukee’ font)?

    (sorry for the smallness of the object)

  • BS | July 14, 2008 at 3:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”279748″][quote comment=”279723″][quote comment=”279721″]Obviously major schools with long and strong footballl tradtions such as … Florida, …must have more clout with their suppliers because their traditional unis have survived.[/quote]

    no…florida would never go non-traditional for nike[/quote]

    Granted, but they didn’t jettison the traditional striping…just gave the one-shoulder-looking-stupid design a try. And, boy, it sure caught on, didn’t it, LOL.[/quote]
    I am a big Florida fan and I own the orange sleeve jersey just because it is a unique part of the history of Florida. It was Urban Meyer’s first Cocktail Party and the last one before Tebow arrived.
    PS: Although I have only seen one of them, I know of a worse jersey that Nike created for Florida. It basically was the standard home jersey, but all the blue was replaced with black. The only blue on the jersey was behind Albert’s head on the logo. I almost threw it to the ground from the sale rack when I saw it.

  • Nicole | July 14, 2008 at 3:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”279735″]OK… so I was one day early yesterday… but I would like to give a Uni Watch birthday wish to fellow Cheesehead Nicole Haase today!

    What better birthday gift than to have Ben Sheets named as the NL starter today!?

    Again… Happy Birthday![/quote]

    THANKS!!!

  • Nicole | July 14, 2008 at 3:18 pm |

    Johnny, the only place I have seen the “jersey” tees with the Milwaukee on the front instead of the Brewers is at Wal-Mart, so I’ve always assumed it had to do with avoiding licensing fees.

  • Mike Engle | July 14, 2008 at 3:28 pm |

    Found this on Page2 just now. Funny they mention that: Marbury actually played for the Nets once. He wore #33 because #3 was still retired for Drazen Petrovic. Way to do your research there, DJ.

  • chance | July 14, 2008 at 3:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”279786″]Johnny, the only place I have seen the “jersey” tees with the Milwaukee on the front instead of the Brewers is at Wal-Mart, so I’ve always assumed it had to do with avoiding licensing fees.[/quote]

    It’s an official Brewers logo, so that has to be licensed, same as every other logo.

    That city name wordmark has been around since the Brewers unveiled their new scheme, so I don’t think it’s a sign that they’re putting it on the front of the road jerseys anytime soon (it already appears on the road sleeves).

  • LI Phil | July 14, 2008 at 3:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”279787″]Found this on Page2 just now. Funny they mention that: Marbury actually played for the Nets once. He wore #33 because #3 was still retired for Drazen Petrovic. Way to do your research there, DJ.[/quote]

    great find there, mike

    from teh article:

    a tattoo on his face of the number 3 — the uniform number he has worn his entire career

    o rly

    that so?

    what the?

    damn

  • jere | July 14, 2008 at 3:36 pm |

    To put some more names to faces in the PCL shots: The guy on the right in the shot of two Dukes is current Braves announcer Joe Simpson. The Gulls’ manager is Norm Sherry.

  • werthj | July 14, 2008 at 3:52 pm |

    Since Brewers talk has popped up today, and I know there are some fans lurking…
    What do others think of the Crew’s alternate outfit?
    On the 10 game homestand that just ended, the Brewers went with the alts 6 times, retro pinstripes once, negro league throwback once, and official home whites twice.
    Personally I find the blue alt’s only annoying (as opposed to visually offensive), but I would still prefer my home team in white.

  • chance | July 14, 2008 at 3:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”279791″]Since Brewers talk has popped up today, and I know there are some fans lurking…
    What do others think of the Crew’s alternate outfit?
    On the 10 game homestand that just ended, the Brewers went with the alts 6 times, retro pinstripes once, negro league throwback once, and official home whites twice.
    Personally I find the blue alt’s only annoying (as opposed to visually offensive), but I would still prefer my home team in white.[/quote]

    I don’t like it when alts become the de facto regular uniforms.

    But then again, I can’t stand the Brewers’ current togs. Better to go with the alts full-time.

  • Walaitis | July 14, 2008 at 3:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”279791″]Since Brewers talk has popped up today, and I know there are some fans lurking…
    What do others think of the Crew’s alternate outfit?
    On the 10 game homestand that just ended, the Brewers went with the alts 6 times, retro pinstripes once, negro league throwback once, and official home whites twice.
    Personally I find the blue alt’s only annoying (as opposed to visually offensive), but I would still prefer my home team in white.[/quote]

    Personally, I’d like to see a mandate that all home uniforms be white with either pinstripes or piping.

  • Ricko | July 14, 2008 at 3:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”279783″]johnny,

    are you talking about this (at least the ‘milwaukee’ font)?

    Then LI Phil writes…
    (sorry for the smallness of the object)[/quote]

    Ummmmm…remember how Roger Rabbitt couldn’t resist, “Shave and a haircut…”?

    Well, tell you what, let’s all move away from our keyboards, very slowwwwwwwwly, hearing that lilttle voice in our heads say, “Yes, that may be the most inviting straight line so far at Uni-Watch, but we can’t give in…we just can’t. Be responsible in our avoidance of low-brow humor and really obvious smartass replies.

    “Stay focussed, don’t yield, stay on topic…”

    Hey, how ’bout those Mets in their blue hats last night?

  • Taha | July 14, 2008 at 3:59 pm |

    Paul:

    Your ESPN Column about the ALL Star game is up here.

  • War Damn Eagle | July 14, 2008 at 4:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”279775″][quote comment=”279721″]Obviously major schools with long and strong footballl tradtions such as Penn State, USC, UCLA, LSU, Alabama, Florida, Ohio State, Ole Miss and many others…must have more clout with their suppliers because their traditional unis have survived.

    Just as obviously, plenty of the other schools apparently are willing to let outsiders tell them what looks good…”trust the marketing experts,” as it were. Even, and this one is especially hard to fathom, Michigan.

    (rolls eyes)[/quote]

    Louisiana Tech must be elite as well, Nike hasn’t changed our unis.

    Pre-Nike:
    http://cache.viewima...

    Nike:
    http://bearsnecessit...

    That’s because La Tech probably has to pay Nike for those unis, not vice versa. Must cost extra for the stripes to go all the way around the shoulder.

  • Tony In Erie (at home) | July 14, 2008 at 4:03 pm |

    I don’t know how in the world Parker thought that would help him….I’ve played goalie (albeit, roller hockey) for years and always used the cage style… I actually bought that Mylec mask (partly for a goof, partly for a change) and I got hit by a slap shot right in the forehead the next game … I had a headache for a week. As for the mask, it’s currently collecting dust in the same place its been since I threw it into the basement a year or so ago.

  • War Damn Eagle | July 14, 2008 at 4:07 pm |

    Auburn fans are luckier than fans of some other big D-1 programs. The craziest uni change we’ve ever had to endure was the orange drop shadow:

    http://www.auburnund...

    Fortunately, that mistake was rectified after just 3 seasons.

  • Marty Met | July 14, 2008 at 4:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”279798″]Auburn fans are luckier than fans of some other big D-1 programs. The craziest uni change we’ve ever had to endure was the orange drop shadow:

    http://www.auburnund...

    Fortunately, that mistake was rectified after just 3 seasons.[/quote]

    Dude, What about Auburn’s orange jerseys? I personally liked them, but then I don’t like the boring “Penn State-eque” uniforms that most people here “adore”.

  • Johnny O | July 14, 2008 at 4:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”279783″]johnny,

    are you talking about this (at least the ‘milwaukee’ font)?

    (sorry for the smallness of the object)[/quote]

    Yes, I forgot to mention that it is also on the sleeves of their road uni… It was just kind of wishful thinking I suppose with the Orioles supposedly filing to MLB to get their city name on their road uni’s, I thought maybe the Crew would follow suit. I had just never noticed that “Milwaukee” logo on their web and kind of got excited.

  • Nicole | July 14, 2008 at 4:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”279788″][quote comment=”279786″]Johnny, the only place I have seen the “jersey” tees with the Milwaukee on the front instead of the Brewers is at Wal-Mart, so I’ve always assumed it had to do with avoiding licensing fees.[/quote]

    It’s an official Brewers logo, so that has to be licensed, same as every other logo.

    That city name wordmark has been around since the Brewers unveiled their new scheme, so I don’t think it’s a sign that they’re putting it on the front of the road jerseys anytime soon (it already appears on the road sleeves).[/quote]

    No, it’s not the same as the wordmark posted earlier by someone else. It quite literally looks like this but says Milwaukee instead of Brewers

  • Nicole | July 14, 2008 at 4:27 pm |

    Ok, maybe we’re not talking about the same thing.

  • Johnny O | July 14, 2008 at 4:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”279802″]Ok, maybe we’re not talking about the same thing.[/quote]

    Nicole, if you go on http://www.brewers.c... and scroll all the way down and look in the bottom left corner, you will see what logo I am talking about. I think we are on the same page.

  • Nicole | July 14, 2008 at 4:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”279791″]Since Brewers talk has popped up today, and I know there are some fans lurking…
    What do others think of the Crew’s alternate outfit?
    On the 10 game homestand that just ended, the Brewers went with the alts 6 times, retro pinstripes once, negro league throwback once, and official home whites twice.
    Personally I find the blue alt’s only annoying (as opposed to visually offensive), but I would still prefer my home team in white.[/quote]

    I don’t have a problem with the blue alt’s – I find them easier to see when I’m at the stadium – like when we’re across the field and figuring out who’s up in the bullpen.

    Plus, I want to own one because I’d totally just get a white one dirty in 5 seconds flat.

  • Nicole | July 14, 2008 at 4:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”279803″][quote comment=”279802″]Ok, maybe we’re not talking about the same thing.[/quote]

    Nicole, if you go on http://www.brewers.c... and scroll all the way down and look in the bottom left corner, you will see what logo I am talking about. I think we are on the same page.[/quote]

    Too many conversations going on at once!!!

    Ok, so I’ve never seen it on anything but the “jersey tshirt” and then only the one done by Wal-Mart. As I said, I think it’s one of this things done to avoid licensing. The font is probably slightly different. I bought the bf one of the Milwaukee front ones because his Prince tshirt jersey wasn’t even navy anymore.

  • S. Bennett | July 14, 2008 at 4:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”279727″]George Brett sporting a Spotbilt shoe on one foot, haven’t seen one of those in 20 years.[/quote]

    Is there a reason why Saucony and Spot Bilt have such similar logos?

    Saucony: http://www.zappos.co...

    Spot Bilt: http://www.amazon.co...

  • LI Phil | July 14, 2008 at 4:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”279806″][quote comment=”279727″]George Brett sporting a Spotbilt shoe on one foot, haven’t seen one of those in 20 years.[/quote]

    Is there a reason why Saucony and Spot Bilt have such similar logos?

    Saucony: http://www.zappos.co...

    Spot Bilt: http://www.amazon.co...

    i believe =bg= had the answer for that in post #66

  • LI Phil | July 14, 2008 at 4:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”279807″][quote comment=”279806″][quote comment=”279727″]George Brett sporting a Spotbilt shoe on one foot, haven’t seen one of those in 20 years.[/quote]

    Is there a reason why Saucony and Spot Bilt have such similar logos?

    Saucony: http://www.zappos.co...

    Spot Bilt: http://www.amazon.co...

    i believe =bg= had the answer for that in post #66[/quote]

    and marty met even before that in post 51

  • Michael Emody | July 14, 2008 at 4:45 pm |

    Wow! I thought I’d found all the White Sox uni site’s, but Mike Steiner’s http://www.freewebs.... is awesome! Thanks for sharing!

  • Johnny O | July 14, 2008 at 4:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”279804″][quote comment=”279791″]Since Brewers talk has popped up today, and I know there are some fans lurking…
    What do others think of the Crew’s alternate outfit?
    On the 10 game homestand that just ended, the Brewers went with the alts 6 times, retro pinstripes once, negro league throwback once, and official home whites twice.
    Personally I find the blue alt’s only annoying (as opposed to visually offensive), but I would still prefer my home team in white.[/quote]

    I don’t have a problem with the blue alt’s – I find them easier to see when I’m at the stadium – like when we’re across the field and figuring out who’s up in the bullpen.

    Plus, I want to own one because I’d totally just get a white one dirty in 5 seconds flat.[/quote]

    Here is a picture of the Crew’s road uni for reference…
    http://mlb.imageg.ne...

    As far as their Blue Alts… I like them, but I do tend to think they use them too often. I would say that they wear them the majority of the time, and that shouldn’t happen for Alts.

  • LI Phil | July 14, 2008 at 4:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”279810″][quote comment=”279804″][quote comment=”279791″]Since Brewers talk has popped up today, and I know there are some fans lurking…
    What do others think of the Crew’s alternate outfit?
    On the 10 game homestand that just ended, the Brewers went with the alts 6 times, retro pinstripes once, negro league throwback once, and official home whites twice.
    Personally I find the blue alt’s only annoying (as opposed to visually offensive), but I would still prefer my home team in white.[/quote]

    I don’t have a problem with the blue alt’s – I find them easier to see when I’m at the stadium – like when we’re across the field and figuring out who’s up in the bullpen.

    Plus, I want to own one because I’d totally just get a white one dirty in 5 seconds flat.[/quote]

    Here is a picture of the Crew’s road uni for reference…
    http://mlb.imageg.ne...

    As far as their Blue Alts… I like them, but I do tend to think they use them too often. I would say that they wear them the majority of the time, and that shouldn’t happen for Alts.[/quote]

    if you could ONLY have one…which would you choose:

    (a) no more blue alts or
    (b) no more untucked jerseys @ the end of the game

  • Tony Miller | July 14, 2008 at 4:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”279789″][quote comment=”279787″]Found this on Page2 just now. Funny they mention that: Marbury actually played for the Nets once. He wore #33 because #3 was still retired for Drazen Petrovic. Way to do your research there, DJ.[/quote]

    great find there, mike

    from teh article:

    a tattoo on his face of the number 3 — the uniform number he has worn his entire career

    o rly

    that so?

    what the?

    damn[/quote]

    The Team USA jerseys have #5 because only #4-15 are legal in international play. It is, however, still Marbury playing basketball.

  • michael | July 14, 2008 at 5:02 pm |

    The Raptors logo character usually has an R on his jersey, but Sean Doherty just noticed the logo on this page, which shows the character now wearing the team’s secondary logo. When did this switcheroo take place?

    don’t know if this was answered already but it is new to this upcoming season ’08-’09, they got rid ( I’m sure you’ll rejoice) of the purple and slightly updated the logo.

  • DawgFan | July 14, 2008 at 5:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”279796″][quote comment=”279775″][quote comment=”279721″]Obviously major schools with long and strong footballl tradtions such as Penn State, USC, UCLA, LSU, Alabama, Florida, Ohio State, Ole Miss and many others…must have more clout with their suppliers because their traditional unis have survived.

    Just as obviously, plenty of the other schools apparently are willing to let outsiders tell them what looks good…”trust the marketing experts,” as it were. Even, and this one is especially hard to fathom, Michigan.

    (rolls eyes)[/quote]

    Louisiana Tech must be elite as well, Nike hasn’t changed our unis.

    Pre-Nike:
    http://cache.viewima...

    Nike:
    http://bearsnecessit...

    That’s because La Tech probably has to pay Nike for those unis, not vice versa. Must cost extra for the stripes to go all the way around the shoulder.[/quote]

    Actually, Tech recently signed a deal with Nike to supply uniforms for all sports, so we don’t pay for them. Whether we get anything other than free stuff, I don’t know.

    The stripes not going all the way around are the one thinge thing that annoys me about Nike, but they are that way with Syracuse, Ole Miss, LSU, VT throwbacks, Florida throwbacks, and Iowa State

    http://media.scout.c...

    http://media.commerc...

    http://cache.daylife...

    http://spitzertailga...

    http://jollyblogger....

    http://www.cyclones....

    Apparently Nike can’t make a stripe go all the way around without throwing in S-curves or some other ridiculous pattern

  • Johnny O | July 14, 2008 at 5:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”279811″][quote comment=”279810″][quote comment=”279804″][quote comment=”279791″]Since Brewers talk has popped up today, and I know there are some fans lurking…
    What do others think of the Crew’s alternate outfit?
    On the 10 game homestand that just ended, the Brewers went with the alts 6 times, retro pinstripes once, negro league throwback once, and official home whites twice.
    Personally I find the blue alt’s only annoying (as opposed to visually offensive), but I would still prefer my home team in white.[/quote]

    I don’t have a problem with the blue alt’s – I find them easier to see when I’m at the stadium – like when we’re across the field and figuring out who’s up in the bullpen.

    Plus, I want to own one because I’d totally just get a white one dirty in 5 seconds flat.[/quote]

    Here is a picture of the Crew’s road uni for reference…
    http://mlb.imageg.ne...

    As far as their Blue Alts… I like them, but I do tend to think they use them too often. I would say that they wear them the majority of the time, and that shouldn’t happen for Alts.[/quote]

    if you could ONLY have one…which would you choose:

    (a) no more blue alts or
    (b) no more untucked jerseys @ the end of the game[/quote]

    I’ll take (b)… Even though I like the “team unity” the un-tucking brings, it looks very sloppy during post game interviews and, I guess, in general.

  • Ricko | July 14, 2008 at 5:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”279815″][quote comment=”279796″][quote comment=”279775″][quote comment=”279721″]Obviously major schools with long and strong footballl tradtions such as Penn State, USC, UCLA, LSU, Alabama, Florida, Ohio State, Ole Miss and many others…must have more clout with their suppliers because their traditional unis have survived.

    Just as obviously, plenty of the other schools apparently are willing to let outsiders tell them what looks good…”trust the marketing experts,” as it were. Even, and this one is especially hard to fathom, Michigan.

    (rolls eyes)[/quote]

    Louisiana Tech must be elite as well, Nike hasn’t changed our unis.

    Pre-Nike:
    http://cache.viewima...

    Nike:
    http://bearsnecessit...

    That’s because La Tech probably has to pay Nike for those unis, not vice versa. Must cost extra for the stripes to go all the way around the shoulder.[/quote]

    Actually, Tech recently signed a deal with Nike to supply uniforms for all sports, so we don’t pay for them. Whether we get anything other than free stuff, I don’t know.

    The stripes not going all the way around are the one thinge thing that annoys me about Nike, but they are that way with Syracuse, Ole Miss, LSU, VT throwbacks, Florida throwbacks, and Iowa State

    http://media.scout.c...

    http://media.commerc...

    http://cache.daylife...

    http://spitzertailga...

    http://jollyblogger....

    http://www.cyclones....

    Apparently Nike can’t make a stripe go all the way around without throwing in S-curves or some other ridiculous pattern[/quote]

    Gotta love Florida Atlantic’s home jerseys. Full shoulder loops. One of my new favorite college jerseys.

    http://theredzonerep...

  • Duckstyle | July 14, 2008 at 5:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”279811″][quote comment=”279810″][quote comment=”279804″][quote comment=”279791″]Since Brewers talk has popped up today, and I know there are some fans lurking…
    What do others think of the Crew’s alternate outfit?
    On the 10 game homestand that just ended, the Brewers went with the alts 6 times, retro pinstripes once, negro league throwback once, and official home whites twice.
    Personally I find the blue alt’s only annoying (as opposed to visually offensive), but I would still prefer my home team in white.[/quote]

    I don’t have a problem with the blue alt’s – I find them easier to see when I’m at the stadium – like when we’re across the field and figuring out who’s up in the bullpen.

    Plus, I want to own one because I’d totally just get a white one dirty in 5 seconds flat.[/quote]

    Here is a picture of the Crew’s road uni for reference…
    http://mlb.imageg.ne...

    As far as their Blue Alts… I like them, but I do tend to think they use them too often. I would say that they wear them the majority of the time, and that shouldn’t happen for Alts.[/quote]

    if you could ONLY have one…which would you choose:

    (a) no more blue alts or
    (b) no more untucked jerseys @ the end of the game[/quote]

    Neither a good option….reminds me of this:

    “A can of beets, Estelle Getty, or a bobcat with a saddle on its back?”
    “an orange circus peanut, Bea Arthur, or a Dodge Dart. Go!”

  • KT | July 14, 2008 at 5:40 pm |

    It’s common practice in English football for non-playing staff to wear their initials on team gear in places where players have their numbers.

    Some MLS teams do it, too.

  • KT | July 14, 2008 at 5:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”279713″]
    Even though you get the veto power, the monetary compensation for allowing them to make your designs outweighs the benefit of actually using the veto power… [/quote]

    If you don’t mind that cheap, whory, used feeling you must get about 3 in the morning sometimes, yeah.

  • Charlie | July 14, 2008 at 5:52 pm |

    Hey everyone…I work for an indoor football team in Odessa Texas…on the 5th we hosted a playoff game and decided to get special jersey’s for the occasion. We auctioned them off during and after the game and raised over $5000 for the Boys and Girls club in town. I’m attaching (I hope) a picture of the special jersey as well as our regular ones. Let me know what you think!

    regular: http://s157.photobuc...

    4th of July: http://s157.photobuc...

  • Ditchfarmer | July 14, 2008 at 5:53 pm |

    George Brett sporting a Spotbilt shoe on one foot, haven’t seen one of those in 20 years.

    Is there a reason why Saucony and Spot Bilt have such similar logos?

    Saucony: http://www.zappos.co

    Spot Bilt: http://www.amazon.co

    I think that there was a period of time when the Baseball, Basketball, and Football shoes were called Spot-Bilt, the running shoes were Saucony. Same company, different brands. I know Spot-Bilt were huge (in the Midwest at least) in the 70s-mid 80s.

  • Glen | July 14, 2008 at 5:57 pm |

    has anyone heard about marbury tattooing his shoe logo on his temple?

  • DawgFan | July 14, 2008 at 5:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”279817″][quote comment=”279815″][quote comment=”279796″][quote comment=”279775″][quote comment=”279721″]Obviously major schools with long and strong footballl tradtions such as Penn State, USC, UCLA, LSU, Alabama, Florida, Ohio State, Ole Miss and many others…must have more clout with their suppliers because their traditional unis have survived.

    Just as obviously, plenty of the other schools apparently are willing to let outsiders tell them what looks good…”trust the marketing experts,” as it were. Even, and this one is especially hard to fathom, Michigan.

    (rolls eyes)[/quote]

    Louisiana Tech must be elite as well, Nike hasn’t changed our unis.

    Pre-Nike:
    http://cache.viewima...

    Nike:
    http://bearsnecessit...

    That’s because La Tech probably has to pay Nike for those unis, not vice versa. Must cost extra for the stripes to go all the way around the shoulder.[/quote]

    Actually, Tech recently signed a deal with Nike to supply uniforms for all sports, so we don’t pay for them. Whether we get anything other than free stuff, I don’t know.

    The stripes not going all the way around are the one thinge thing that annoys me about Nike, but they are that way with Syracuse, Ole Miss, LSU, VT throwbacks, Florida throwbacks, and Iowa State

    http://media.scout.c...

    http://media.commerc...

    http://cache.daylife...

    http://spitzertailga...

    http://jollyblogger....

    http://www.cyclones....

    Apparently Nike can’t make a stripe go all the way around without throwing in S-curves or some other ridiculous pattern[/quote]

    Gotta love Florida Atlantic’s home jerseys. Full shoulder loops. One of my new favorite college jerseys.

    http://theredzonerep...

    By Nike too, that’s interesting. I wonder if that’s because they have more than that basic 3 stripe pattern, so Nike couldn’t use the same Tech, Syracuse, LSU, etc. template.

  • Ricko | July 14, 2008 at 6:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”279823″]has anyone heard about marbury tattooing his shoe logo on his temple?[/quote]

    How ’bout someone tatooing his temple with their shoe?

    (Sorry, we in Minnesota don’t think that highly of the guy).

  • LarenR | July 14, 2008 at 6:14 pm |

    I’m watching All-Star coverage on ESPN and the NL looks ridiculous in grey from head to toe. The grey jersey and pants are fine, but when you top it off with an identically grey lid, it just falls apart. It just needs some color.

    The AL, in blue jersey and cap with white (mostly) pants looks much sharper.

  • KT | July 14, 2008 at 6:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”279826″]I’m watching All-Star coverage on ESPN and the NL looks ridiculous in grey from head to toe. The grey jersey and pants are fine, but when you top it off with an identically grey lid, it just falls apart. It just needs some color.[/quote]

    Maybe they’re waiting for the Union soldiers to show up.

    In other news, there are a bunch of game-worn NASL and MISL soccer jerseys on eBay, but I can warn you – they’re not going to be cheap when all is said and done.

  • SWW | July 14, 2008 at 6:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”279694″][quote comment=”279692″]Found some interesting “logo creep” over the weekend on Kasey Kahne. On his shoulders he has the puma logo blended into the logo.
    http://www.kaseykahn...
    http://www.kaseykahn...

    I know this is going to sound like blasphemy on here but if I have to have logo creep on something I would much rather have it look like that.[/quote]

    Except for the about a hundred other logos on there.[/quote]

    I think everyone here knows and fully accepts advertising on racing uniforms, since the advertising dollars are required to support racing teams. I like the ‘logo creep’ or ‘design element’ that the Puma suits have. Dale Earnhardt Jr’s adidas suit has the triple stripe on it similarly, except at actual stitching holding the layers of the suit together.

  • KT | July 14, 2008 at 6:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”279823″]has anyone heard about marbury tattooing his shoe logo on his temple?[/quote]

    http://gothamist.com...

  • Kate | July 14, 2008 at 6:28 pm |

    Baseball seriously needs to do away with the 3930’s and if the NL All-Star team doesn’t prove that, I don’t know what will.

  • LarenR | July 14, 2008 at 6:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”279827″][quote comment=”279826″]I’m watching All-Star coverage on ESPN and the NL looks ridiculous in grey from head to toe. The grey jersey and pants are fine, but when you top it off with an identically grey lid, it just falls apart. It just needs some color.[/quote]

    Maybe they’re waiting for the Union soldiers to show up.

    [/quote]

    On the other hand, Georgetown alumni must be lovin’ this.

  • James Craven | July 14, 2008 at 6:53 pm |

    How about getting rid of monchrome in baseball altoether? At least the next couple years will be red for the home and some shade of blue to the road (St. Louis in ’09 and Anaheim/Orange County in ’10!)

  • SWW | July 14, 2008 at 7:07 pm |

    I was just looking through some photos on Facebook (I know, I know…) and saw a photo of the Hartford Whalers wearing Cooperalls.

    http://photos-017.ll...

    Also, I am not sure if this is a rumor, or something that Paul can check on with his contacts, but… I have heard that the State of Connecticut, not the NHL or Carolina Hurricanes, own the trademarks on the name and logo for the Hartford Whalers.

  • David T | July 14, 2008 at 7:27 pm |

    Is that Richard Pryor playing for the ’75 Solons?

  • =bg= | July 14, 2008 at 7:36 pm |

    Can I just TELL you how weak those gray caps look?

  • Chad G | July 14, 2008 at 7:36 pm |

    in reference to Paul’s ESPN article:

    Here is Arod today in his white cleats:
    http://d.yimg.com/a/...

  • Teebz | July 14, 2008 at 7:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”279833″]I was just looking through some photos on Facebook (I know, I know…) and saw a photo of the Hartford Whalers wearing Cooperalls.

    http://photos-017.ll...

    Also, I am not sure if this is a rumor, or something that Paul can check on with his contacts, but… I have heard that the State of Connecticut, not the NHL or Carolina Hurricanes, own the trademarks on the name and logo for the Hartford Whalers.[/quote]

    Actually, the city of Hartford owns the rights to the image of the whale tail. The move to Raleigh included a provision in which the city of Hartford would remain the rightsholder of the Whalers if the franchise moved.

    You know the rest. Hartford is in charge of all Whalers’ images and trademarks, including the song “Brass Bonanza” that was played during Whalers’ goals.

  • Teebz | July 14, 2008 at 7:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”279821″]Hey everyone…I work for an indoor football team in Odessa Texas…on the 5th we hosted a playoff game and decided to get special jersey’s for the occasion. We auctioned them off during and after the game and raised over $5000 for the Boys and Girls club in town. I’m attaching (I hope) a picture of the special jersey as well as our regular ones. Let me know what you think!

    regular: http://s157.photobuc...

    4th of July: http://s157.photobuc...

    Nice work, Charlie. I’m a hockey guy, but these look pretty decent. :o)

  • LarenR | July 14, 2008 at 8:17 pm |

    Jeter is wearing his Yanks cap rather than the AL BP cap. for the Home Run Derby first pitch.

  • JoshP | July 14, 2008 at 8:48 pm |

    Longoria Has an old Devil ray logo (the actual ray) on his sleeve, even though they are now solely the Rays (with that stupid sun type logo)

  • Mike Engle | July 14, 2008 at 8:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”279839″]Jeter is wearing his Yanks cap rather than the AL BP cap. for the Home Run Derby first pitch.[/quote]
    It’s not just AL vs NL in the Home Run Derby: it’s navy ASG 3930’s vs team 5950’s.

  • Jack H. | July 14, 2008 at 8:49 pm |

    Those hats are just stupid. At least Utley is wearing his Phils hat.

  • Charlie | July 14, 2008 at 8:50 pm |

    Evan Longoria’s jersey has the Devil Ray logo on it…Not the new ray logo…what’s up with that?

  • Anthony M | July 14, 2008 at 8:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”279840″]Longoria Has an old Devil ray logo (the actual ray) on his sleeve, even though they are now solely the Rays (with that stupid sun type logo)[/quote]

    [quote comment=”279843″]Evan Longoria’s jersey has the Devil Ray logo on it…Not the new ray logo…what’s up with that?[/quote]

    The Rays still have a Devil Ray on both their home and road jerseys. Been that way all season.

  • Anthony M | July 14, 2008 at 8:55 pm |

    Also, the NL Team look like a bunch of janitors in all gray jumpsuits.

  • James Craven | July 14, 2008 at 8:55 pm |

    I was checking, and that is the updated colors on Longoria’s Rays patch.

  • LarenR | July 14, 2008 at 9:51 pm |

    Josh Hamilton!!!!

  • LI Phil | July 14, 2008 at 9:51 pm |

    late to the party i know, but im watchin’ the HRD on the dvr…

    i am certain i’ll be in the minority, but i LOVE LOVE LOVE the monochromatic gray that is the nl…looks like a uniform, not a softball team…the 3930’s are shit, of course, but i, for one, would like to see a team employ the all gray look as a full and actual uniform some day…

    the accent color should be a nice, deep dark blue, similar to what they’re sporting now

  • Patrick | July 14, 2008 at 10:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”279720″]I hope some of you were able to catch “Paper Lion” on TCM Friday night. I only stumbled across the last 40 minutes or so myself, but that was the uni-centric part. If you haven’t seen it, it’s a film version of George Plimpton’s classic book, released in 1968 and starring Alan Alda as Plimpton and the rest of the Lions as themselves. (It launched Alex Karras into a legit acting career, but the rest of them are pretty bad.) Pretty much the whole last half hour is close-up, field-level film of an actual 1967 preseason game between the Lions and the St. Louis Cardinals from Busch Stadium. Many of the players, coaches, and officials were miked, and the whole thing was presented in glorious widescreen Technicolor. It’s apparently not available on DVD, only VHS, which I’m guessing would not look nearly as good as the flawless widescreen print TCM showed. If you missed it, keep an eye out for a re-broadcast, the uni-watching opportunities are immense.[/quote]

    Funny you should mention that. I actually just finished the book last week and was quite amused by it. I’ve been wanting to see the movie just to compare and contrast it with the book. Alas, I was actually at the Detroit Tigers loss that night! I’ll keep my eyes open for its next showing…or just break down and buy the tape (yes, some of us still have VCR’s!).

  • Mike Engle | July 14, 2008 at 10:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”279848″]late to the party i know, but im watchin’ the HRD on the dvr…

    i am certain i’ll be in the minority, but i LOVE LOVE LOVE the monochromatic gray that is the nl…looks like a uniform, not a softball team…the 3930’s are shit, of course, but i, for one, would like to see a team employ the all gray look as a full and actual uniform some day…

    the accent color should be a nice, deep dark blue, similar to what they’re sporting now[/quote]
    This definitely will clash with your opinion about “uniform,” but it’s how I feel, so I’ll let it rip.
    Not only are the 3930’s pieces of garbage, they represent a stupid idea here at the ASG weekend. The All-Star Game is all about individuals who had a great first half of the season, and who get an extra game and an extra paycheck for their efforts. When everybody is wearing the same AL or NL hat, I have a hard time recognizing these star players for whom I may or may not have voted.
    I guess the same argument applies to the BP shirts, but I don’t see the shirts as such a radical change. At least the name and number stay the same (no matter how many duplicate numbers there may be). Or maybe it’s just because the hats are the more recent “damn merchandising opportunity.” But either way, I think the hats go too far. I’m not a fan. Kudos to the NL Derby-doers for ditching the gray domes.

  • Mike Engle | July 14, 2008 at 10:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”279850″][quote comment=”279848″]late to the party i know, but im watchin’ the HRD on the dvr…

    i am certain i’ll be in the minority, but i LOVE LOVE LOVE the monochromatic gray that is the nl…looks like a uniform, not a softball team…the 3930’s are shit, of course, but i, for one, would like to see a team employ the all gray look as a full and actual uniform some day…

    the accent color should be a nice, deep dark blue, similar to what they’re sporting now[/quote]
    This definitely will clash with your opinion about “uniform,” but it’s how I feel, so I’ll let it rip.
    Not only are the 3930’s pieces of garbage, they represent a stupid idea here at the ASG weekend. The All-Star Game is all about individuals who had a great first half of the season, and who get an extra game and an extra paycheck for their efforts. When everybody is wearing the same AL or NL hat, I have a hard time recognizing these star players for whom I may or may not have voted.
    I guess the same argument applies to the BP shirts, but I don’t see the shirts as such a radical change. At least the name and number stay the same (no matter how many duplicate numbers there may be). Or maybe it’s just because the hats are the more recent “damn merchandising opportunity.” But either way, I think the hats go too far. I’m not a fan. Kudos to the NL Derby-doers for ditching the gray domes.[/quote]
    Upon further review, I might be agreeing with you on the sh*tty 3930’s.
    But I still don’t agree with the gray from head to toe look. The Royals and Orioles have flirted with it, and they both failed miserably, and with good reason. The hat, along with the sleeves, socks, and piping, represents a golden opportunity to add color to the uniform and the team identity. Why punt?

  • LI Phil | July 14, 2008 at 10:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”279851″][quote comment=”279850″][quote comment=”279848″]late to the party i know, but im watchin’ the HRD on the dvr…

    i am certain i’ll be in the minority, but i LOVE LOVE LOVE the monochromatic gray that is the nl…looks like a uniform, not a softball team…the 3930’s are shit, of course, but i, for one, would like to see a team employ the all gray look as a full and actual uniform some day…

    the accent color should be a nice, deep dark blue, similar to what they’re sporting now[/quote]
    This definitely will clash with your opinion about “uniform,” but it’s how I feel, so I’ll let it rip.
    Not only are the 3930’s pieces of garbage, they represent a stupid idea here at the ASG weekend. The All-Star Game is all about individuals who had a great first half of the season, and who get an extra game and an extra paycheck for their efforts. When everybody is wearing the same AL or NL hat, I have a hard time recognizing these star players for whom I may or may not have voted.
    I guess the same argument applies to the BP shirts, but I don’t see the shirts as such a radical change. At least the name and number stay the same (no matter how many duplicate numbers there may be). Or maybe it’s just because the hats are the more recent “damn merchandising opportunity.” But either way, I think the hats go too far. I’m not a fan. Kudos to the NL Derby-doers for ditching the gray domes.[/quote]
    Upon further review, I might be agreeing with you on the sh*tty 3930’s.
    But I still don’t agree with the gray from head to toe look. The Royals and Orioles have flirted with it, and they both failed miserably, and with good reason. The hat, along with the sleeves, socks, and piping, represents a golden opportunity to add color to the uniform and the team identity. Why punt?[/quote]

    well said, mike…can’t say i disagree all that strongly…but

    well…i said i’ll be in the minority…and im sure i will

    and i don’t say gray from head to toe per se…i do like the gray hat, and obviously the gray shirt & pants, but what we are left with is a beautiful opportunity for a deep dark blue for an accent…on the brim (not the whole brim–no two-tone crap…on the edge of the brim)…on the button…undersleeves…stirrups…and shoes…plus some blue piping on the pant legs, and a tasteful wordmark on the jersey & sweet logo

    wouldn’t be bland, could be classic…if i could do up a template or p-chop, i would, but i can’t

  • Mr. Met | July 14, 2008 at 11:12 pm |

    Josh Hamilton = Magical. Good for him.

  • Tim Z. | July 14, 2008 at 11:13 pm |

    You think players today wear baggy uniforms? Wait till you see what the next generation has got in store.

  • Eddie Jay | July 14, 2008 at 11:58 pm |

    Hey now, the 3930’s before they added the stupid crap to the side of the hat in 2007 were good, I like my phillies 2006 bp hat.
    But yea, the NL hats were ugly with the rest of the gray uniform, also I saw a rockies player as the catcher, solid gray top + gray pinstriped pants looks crappy.

  • u2-horn | July 15, 2008 at 12:09 am |

    NOOO! Not Croc cleats!

  • James Craven | July 15, 2008 at 12:45 am |

    How would it feel if the teams in the Legends/Celebrity Softball Game were named the Browns (American) and the Running Redbirds (National) next year?

  • Joey Guns | July 15, 2008 at 1:11 am |
  • josh | July 15, 2008 at 1:41 am |

    [quote comment=”279769″]the Raptors switch happened this offseason. It was then that the Raps used the red theme on their logo. Previous years still had the purple on it[/quote]
    its about time toronto got rid of the purple logo. didnt they get rid of the purple in their unis like 3-4 years ago?

  • josh | July 15, 2008 at 1:46 am |

    [quote comment=”279833″]I was just looking through some photos on Facebook (I know, I know…) and saw a photo of the Hartford Whalers wearing Cooperalls.

    http://photos-017.ll...

    Also, I am not sure if this is a rumor, or something that Paul can check on with his contacts, but… I have heard that the State of Connecticut, not the NHL or Carolina Hurricanes, own the trademarks on the name and logo for the Hartford Whalers.[/quote]

    ya i was playing nhl 06 recently and i played the nhl 94 retro game and they had hartford listed as the hartford canes.

  • Steven | July 15, 2008 at 3:02 am |

    Re Uni Suppliers…didn’t San Jose State recently(5 years ago maybe?) use a small Uni company. And they had a “Busy” design to say the least. I seem to remember the coach saying something effect that it was a recruiting tool.