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Uni Watch Book Club: The Other League

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Several weeks back I did an entry about the 1971 book This Great Game. That led several readers to suggest that I track down a pair of football books that were published around that same time: The First 50 Years (which I’ll get to another day) and The Other League, which chronicles the story of the AFL. As you might expect, there are some excellent photographic details worth examining. Let’s take a look:

• Excellent view here of the “San Diego All-America City” crest that the Chargers wore on their helmets in 1963.

• What’s that little nub just above the nose bumper? Ditto here and, I think, here.

• Nice shot here of George Blanda with a pocket pouch and no chinstrap. Also, note that the “1” on his chest doesn’t match the one on his sleeve.

• Speaking of chest/sleeve inconsistencies, check out Joe Namath here.

• Look at this — holy moly! According to the book, that photo is from 1963, which was the only year that the Raiders wore silver helmets and gold numbers, but I’d never seen that heavy black outlining before. Yeesh.

• Lousy photo quality, but it’s always good see more shots of Denver’s vertically striped socks.

• Here’s something you don’t often see: AFL All-Star Game photos, as seen here and here.

• Lots of interesting shots of officials. In this photo, from 1961, the zebras weren’t even zebras — no stripes, just giant uni numbers. By 1963, they’d gone to the red stripes with no numbers (note the Jets’ original helmet design, too). In that last photo, it looks like the ref, who’s in the background, is wearing a black cap, but apparently it was red, with the AFL logo. The white caps had the logo as well. Anyone know if the AFL officials eventually switched to black stripes? Looks like they might have, based on this late-’60s shot, but it’s tough to be sure. There are also several Super Bowl photos that show officials wearing black sleeves with uni numbers (additional shots here and here). All those shots are from Super Bowls I and II, so those could just be NFL officials — who officiated those early Super Bowls anyway, NFL crews, AFL crews, or a mix? Anyone know if that non-striped black sleeve was an NFL or AFL thing?

• Look at that last photo again and check out the facemask for the Chiefs player who’s facing the camera. Look how the area between the two upper screws (just above the nose bumper) is sort of scooped or scalloped — don’t think I’ve ever seen that before.

• At first I thought the “4” in this photo was a mistake. But apparently that was part of San Diego’s standard uni number font. Not only that, it was also used by the Titans, who kept the font when they became the Jets. Plus the Colts used it back in the 1950s (even on the sleeve). Still looks weird to me.

• Why did Joe Namath have a blank helmet in his first pro game? He was blank-domed on this 1966 SI cover, too (but not on an SI cover that ran a year prior to that).

• Man, the Oilers had some huge-ass rear-helmet numbers.

• I don’t think I’ve ever seen such a prominent belt buckle on a football uniform. Apparently all the Chiefs wore it.

• Love the “CBS Color” sign on the camera.

• And finally, here’s a wide shot of Shea Stadium’s first pro football game. Forty-four years later, I don’t think they’ve ever changed the foul pole or screen.

And there’s plenty more. Want you own copy of this book? Look here.

Uni Watch News Ticker: Fascinating tidbit from sporting goods magnate Terry Proctor, who writes: “Did you ever notice the extended flap of knit trim with the off-center double snaps on the A’s waistband? That flap was extended to cover the real belt that was worn underneath. The knit trim that went around the waist on the pants actually was a tunnel loop. A regular belt was worn and that flap covered the belt buckle. The Red Sox also wore this style.” I had never, ever heard this before. … “A New Orleans police officer was suspended — 15 minutes before he was set to retire — for wearing the wrong uniform shirt (with thanks to Chuck Alexander). … Scott Little is obsessed with Starter jackets, among other things, and sent along photos of 16 jacket tags plus a few other tags and labels of interest. Check out the full slideshow here. … Japan has unveiled its wrestling and table tennis uniforms for the Olympics (with thanks to, of course, Jeremy Brahm). … While we’re at it, Thomas Tunner (who modestly claims to have “both the largest sports collection and the largest wardrobe”) sent along this. … Reprinted from yesterday’s comments: The roster of catchers who’ve worn brimless helmets (which had previously included Duke Sims, Ron Hodges, Dave Valle, Bob Boone, Jim Sundberg, Carlton Fisk, and Pudge Rodriguez) has a new member: Jeff Torborg. … The Reds’ camo jerseys have stirred up a bit of controversy and commentary (with thanks to Mark Fightmaster). … If you go to this audio link and scroll ahead to the 38-minute mark, you’ll hear swimmer W. Hodding Carter discussing the new LZR swimsuit. Interestingly, he says it makes you feel “like a superhero,” yet another furtherance of the trope I identified in this site’s very first entry (with thanks to Morris Levin). … Not exactly a surprise, but Citi Field will feature lots of pricey food options. … “I saw this sign at the New Era shop in Manhattan,” writes Steve Flack. “So all those ugly-ass ‘fashion’ 5950s are born out of a request from Spike Lee.” … I know Sandy Alomar Jr. was the first catcher to wear knee-saver pads, but did he also wear them while batting? Check out this shot of him from the 1997 All-Star Game — never seen that before. … Nike is being sued by an inventor who claims the Evil Empire Swooshkateers stole his patented cap design. Oddly, the guy wore a Nike cap for his photo accompanying the article (with thanks to David McGee). … Interesting note from Jeremy Gooch, who writes: “No photo, but during the 1992-93 preseason and at least part of the regular season, Tom Rathman of the 49ers wore a ‘No Fear’ sticker on the back of his helmet, right above the American Flag. It looked kind of like this, minus the circle, and it was red instead of black.” Anyone know more about this? … According to the “Clubhouse Confidential” section on this page, the Brewers’ equipment manager had ordered a uniform for C.C. Sabathia a week prior to the trade, because he was worried about getting caught short during the Independence Day weekend (nice find by Rob McCallum). … You probably know Babe Ruth was briefly a Dodgers coach after his retirement. But did you know he wore No. 35 (here’s another shot)? Dan Cichalski took both of those screen grabs from last weekend’s debut installment of Baseball’s Glory Days, a new weekly series running on FSN (or on MSG-Plus in some markets, including New York) that I’ve been meaning to mention. The series is basically the second coming of HBO’s When It Was a Game productions: Lots of home movie footage, a bit of endearingly over-sentimental voiceovers, and some talking heads waxing poetic. New episodes will debut each Sunday night, and I think it’s a 12-week run. Great stuff, and highly recommended. … Also from Dan: The Lakewood BlueClaws are holding a Springsteen promo on July 25th, and will be wearing this design for the occasion. … Super-cool Charlie Gehringer military baseball uni up for auction here. … Charlie Samuels strikes again: Earlier this season, Mets outfielder Nick Evans wore No. 6. Then they sent him down, acquired Trot Nixon, and gave him No. 6. Then Nixon went on the DL, where he remains today, and now they’ve recalled Evans and given him 6 again, which means they now have two players on the roster with the same number. Is that even allowed? … Speaking of the Mets, Bryan Heaton notes that neither Jose Reyes nor recent call-up Argenis Reyes is wearing a first initial. … Elton Brand posed with a throwback Sixers uni yesterday, and Jake Driver points out that they apparently did something similar for Josh Smith. Not sure what this all portends, but I’m looking into it. … Bernie Langer was at last night’s Phils/Cards game in Philly and says Brendan Ryan’s striped stirrups (shown there from another date) caused quite a stir. “People all around me were saying, ‘Look at that! Look at those socks!’ A dad behind me kept on yelling to his little kids, ‘Look at that guy’s socks! Look at them!'” … Nice timeline of Houston Cougars logos here (with thanks to Corey Buck). … Ryan Connelly notes that the NHL09 trailer shows the Panthers wearing their pre-Edge design — odd. … The Red Sox were still wearing the stars/stripes caps yesterday. … Remember how we discussed that the “NBA” icon on the Celtics’ championship banner is sometimes solid, sometimes not? Mario Fontana took a tour of the arena two nights ago and asked about that. “I was surprised to get an answer,” he writes. “If the Celtics won the championship that year on the road, it is represented with a dark (filled in) circle, representing their green jerseys. If they win it at home it’s a white circle, representing the home jersey. I thought this was pretty neat.” … Get this: The Brewers put their “B” logo on the pitching mound each game, but a reader who didn’t give his/her name says, “For the recent Negro Leagues tribute game, they put a dark blue generic M back there, to try and complete the effect.” Yeah, nothing says authentic Negro Leagues like a field decoration that nobody thought of until a few years ago. … Speedo is having trouble producing enough LZR swimsuits to keep up with demand. That link came from Jeremy Brahm, who says he also found a Japanese article that says “regular swimmers cannot get the LZR until the Fall because the priority is getting enough suits for the Olympic swimmers.” … Jeremy also sent some pics from the Haarlem Baseball Week in Holland, a six-team tournament for college level teams. Interestingly, the Netherlands Antilles are using two Braves “A” logos on their jerseys and caps (which is an improvement over what they used to wear). … A bunch of Thurman Munson memorabilia is going up for auction.

 

141 comments to Uni Watch Book Club: The Other League

  • DrBear | July 10, 2008 at 8:56 am |

    The unique numbers-on-sleeves unis were only for the first two Supes. I believe that it was the 1968 season that the combined leagues went to similar unis for the officials.

    The officials were a mix for all the NFL-AFL Super Bowl games.

  • Jeff | July 10, 2008 at 8:58 am |

    Just what IS the best part of this pic:

    http://www.shorpy.co...

    The belted shorts? The socks? The shoes?

  • U.A. | July 10, 2008 at 9:01 am |

    Paul. Now that you say that about the A’s and Red Sox 70’s uniforms I thought i noticed a belt as part of the waist band. It was in that Ted Williams photo of him getting fitted for a uniform as an instructor you sent a few months ago. Take a second look.

  • PhillyFan | July 10, 2008 at 9:05 am |

    STRIPED SOCKS AT PHILS/CARDS GAME

    Local “homer” announcer Chris “I Know EVERYTHING about baseball” Wheeler made a point to emphasize that Brendan Ryan is “the only player on the team that hasn’t gone with the ‘pajama pants’ [quick camera shot of Pujols’s bell-bottoms] which “are so low these days, they drag on the ground.”

  • john in DC | July 10, 2008 at 9:05 am |

    Look at #78 on the Chargers in this shot

    http://farm4.static....

    Is the 8 on his helmet upside-down, or is the curve of the helmet making the symmetry look off?

  • Roger | July 10, 2008 at 9:12 am |

    “If the Celtics won the championship that year on the road, it is represented with a dark (filled in) circle, representing their green jerseys. If they win it at home it’s a white circle, representing the home jersey. I thought this was pretty neat.”

    Hate to burst the bubble, but this can’t be right. The 1976 banner has a white circle, but Boston won Game 6 (the clincher) at Phoenix. Same for the 1974 (won Game 7 at Milwaukee) and 1969 (won Game 7 at Los Angeles) titles. Yet, the circle is green for 1981, which Boston did win at Houston (Game 6). And the Celtics won the 1984 (Game 7 vs. L.A.) and 1986 (Game 6 vs. Houston) titles at home and those banner circles are white. So the inconsistency remains.

    http://farm3.static....

  • Original Jim | July 10, 2008 at 9:13 am |

    The Red Sox wore the Stars-and-Stripes caps yesterday to honor local members of the military.

    A woman awarded with a Purple Heart threw out the first pitch to Mike Timlin, a known supporter of the troops.

    From Boston.com: The Red Sox honored the US Armed Forces with their Seats for Soldiers program. Nearly 1,000 tickets were donated for use by people currently serving, and a pregame program had a video feed from Camp Fallujah in Iraq

  • Mike | July 10, 2008 at 9:13 am |

    The Celtics banner logo explanation (winning at home or on the road) does not work for 1969 – the banner has a ‘white’ (home) logo, but the Celtics won Game 7 in Los Angeles that year. That was the year Jack Kent Cooke put balloons in the Forum anticipating a Lakers win.

  • Mike Edgerly | July 10, 2008 at 9:21 am |

    Paul, the link in the line “Lots of interesting shots of officials. In this photo,….” is the same as the previous photo from the AFL all-star game.

  • War Damn Eagle | July 10, 2008 at 9:23 am |

    I wouldn’t be surprised if the use of the Braves “A” logo is the result of so many people in the Netherlands Antilles (which includes the island of Curacao) following the Braves. The success of Andruw Jones instantly made the Braves the team to follow in that part of the world. Their little league program has exploded recently, and those kids often list Andruw as their favorite big leaguer.

  • Dane | July 10, 2008 at 9:24 am |

    At first I thought the “4″ in this photo was a mistake.

    The Pittsburgh Penguins also have the extra bit hanging off of their 4’s, and I hate it.

    http://graphics8.nyt...

  • War Damn Eagle | July 10, 2008 at 9:31 am |

    Here’s a link to a photo gallery for that baseball tournament in Holland. The US team is wearing blue caps with the road greys, unlike the WBC in ’06 when they wore red caps for “road” games. Also, there are pics of US players wearing New Era 3930 batting practice caps; I don’t remember the WBC team having those. Plenty of shots of the other teams, too.

    http://www.honkbalwe...

  • War Damn Eagle | July 10, 2008 at 9:33 am |

    Page 3 of those images shows what looks like a 30th anniversary patch of something for the US team.

  • Chip B | July 10, 2008 at 9:36 am |

    Is anyone else having trouble accessing yesterday’s ESPN column?

  • War Damn Eagle | July 10, 2008 at 9:38 am |

    Japan has the crazy wide pinstripes and white shoes again. Cuba wearing red pants, too.

    US wore blue BP jerseys and red 3930 caps vs. the Netherlands Antilles team.

  • Jeff | July 10, 2008 at 9:38 am |

    http://www.baltimore...

    You will have to blow it up, but 53 in the background has 3 stripes on his socks, compared to the two stripes on 74 in the foreground. And is it just the angle, or is Mr. 53 also missing the sleeve stripes?

  • chance | July 10, 2008 at 9:42 am |

    The Packers occasionally wore that number font with the horizontal bar at the top of the “4” in the 1930s and 1940s.

  • War Damn Eagle | July 10, 2008 at 9:44 am |

    30th anniversary is for the founding of USA Baseball in 1978 as the nation’s governing body for international baseball competitions.

    http://web.usabaseba...

  • Jim | July 10, 2008 at 9:44 am |

    [quote comment=”279262″] At first I thought the “4″ in this photo was a mistake.

    The Pittsburgh Penguins also have the extra bit hanging off of their 4’s, and I hate it.

    http://graphics8.nyt...

    I always thought that was a bit odd too. Seems like a weird place to have it. Does any other sports team use that font?

  • chance | July 10, 2008 at 9:50 am |

    There was a question yesterday about the similar W used by the Nationals and Walgreens – namely, which had it first?

    According to the company’s website, Walgreens has been using a version of the pretzel W since the early 1900s (even before they added the “s” on the end of their name). The current W logo appears to date from the 1950s, based on context (although the photo itself isn’t dated).

    So it would appear that the drugstore has a earlier claim on the logo.

  • Nicole | July 10, 2008 at 9:52 am |

    While the Negro League game was the only one I didn’t go to that weekend, I watched on TV and the Brewers “M” on the back of the mound was black to match the black unis. As far as I’ve seen, they don’t do dark blue — they actually avoid black chalk markings because they don’t show up well. The first night of the Corey Hart “heart” they had the Brewers.com in black and it didn’t play well even in stadium, much less on TV. Last night it was in white.

  • Nicole | July 10, 2008 at 9:55 am |

    This article has this tidbit:

    One of the first players Sabathia met in the clubhouse was first baseman Prince Fielder, who at 5 feet 11 and 270 pounds is no longer the biggest man on the roster.

    “When I first walked in, he asked me if I needed to borrow some (uniform) pants,” Sabathia said. “He’s probably the only guy with a pair I’d fit in.”

  • Like the River | July 10, 2008 at 9:56 am |

    Hanging out last night watching a little TCM and Angels in the Outfield came on (the 1950’s one not the crappy remake.) and I noticed a few neat things.
    the first was that all the opening credits to the movie were done in the same font as the jerseys are
    http://www.shillpage...

    and second was that there is this cool little sleeve patch on the left sleeve of the jerseys with a mit and a ball.
    http://www.crosley-f...

  • chris | July 10, 2008 at 9:58 am |

    AHL team Iowa Chops [formerly the Iowa Stars] have a new logo and look:
    Here
    Kinda looks like a mashup of the Carolina Panthers and Lehigh Valley Iron Pigs
    Website here

  • chance | July 10, 2008 at 9:59 am |

    [quote comment=”279275″]Hanging out last night watching a little TCM and Angels in the Outfield came on (the 1950’s one not the crappy remake.) and I noticed a few neat things.
    the first was that all the opening credits to the movie were done in the same font as the jerseys are
    http://www.shillpage...

    and second was that there is this cool little sleeve patch on the left sleeve of the jerseys with a mit and a ball.
    http://www.crosley-f...

    That patch was worn by all National League teams in 1951.

  • Tim | July 10, 2008 at 10:00 am |

    … Elton Brand posed with a throwback Sixers uni yesterday, and Jake Driver points out that they apparently did something similar for Josh Smith. Not sure what this all portends, but I’m looking into it. …

    The sixers are celebrating the 60th anniversary of the franchise (Nationals/Sixers) joining the NBA. They have gone back to the old logo for nearly everything right now.


    Anniversary Logo

  • Teebz | July 10, 2008 at 10:02 am |

    NHL ’09 will apparently have a large number of throwback and retro jerseys for every team included in the game.

    This may be the reason for the pre-Rbk jersey appearing in the screenshot, especially since Florida has no real jersey history to speak of.

  • Ricko | July 10, 2008 at 10:03 am |

    Love that book. Have had it for years. Since it was published, actually.

    And I’ve been to the site where this comes from.

    http://www.weirdwolf...

    Has SO many errors it’s close to worthless, esp. on early AFL unis. The Titans graphic, for example…well, I don’t even know where to start.

    And no, Raiders never wore gold numbers. Well not with that uni. The had gold numbers only in ’62, but still had black helmets, etc. Change to silver and black came in ’63, and was complete.

    I mention the following here to see if anyone can help: I’ve been paying attention to AFL since the beginning, and to this day have never found a color game acton photo from an Oakland home game prior to 1963, actually from ANY Raider game, home OR road. Not a one.

    Likewise the Titans. No color game photos til after became the Jets.

    And only one color photo from a Bronco game in ’60 or ’61.

    Anyone have any?

  • chris | July 10, 2008 at 10:04 am |

    along the AHL lines… Dallas’ new team is the Texas Stars.
    Clipart logo here

  • Ricko | July 10, 2008 at 10:06 am |

    Those factually inept graphics are part of that book now?

    Jeez. That’s a shame, cuz they suck. In terms of accuracy, that is.

  • Jim | July 10, 2008 at 10:08 am |

    [quote comment=”279276″]AHL team Iowa Chops [formerly the Iowa Stars] have a new logo and look:
    Here
    Kinda looks like a mashup of the Carolina Panthers and Lehigh Valley Iron Pigs
    Website here[/quote]

    Wow, I can’t get over how bad that name and logo are…

    Can’t imagine sitting in a room with a bunch of people and someone saying “We should call ourselves ‘The Chops’ and have a pig head for a logo”. Then actually having someone else think it’s a good enough idea to agree with it.

  • Johnny O | July 10, 2008 at 10:14 am |

    [quote comment=”279273″]While the Negro League game was the only one I didn’t go to that weekend, I watched on TV and the Brewers “M” on the back of the mound was black to match the black unis. As far as I’ve seen, they don’t do dark blue — they actually avoid black chalk markings because they don’t show up well. The first night of the Corey Hart “heart” they had the Brewers.com in black and it didn’t play well even in stadium, much less on TV. Last night it was in white.[/quote]

    No screen grab, but I am gonna have to agree with Nicole. the Milwaukee Bears “M” was indeed black, and not blue.

    Also, Nicole is exactly right about the heart/Hart logo. The “Brewers.com” portion of the logo was in white chalk and not black like the previous day.

    Tuesday’s game:
    http://i147.photobuc...

    Wednesday’s game:
    http://i147.photobuc...

    P.S. Shouldn’t it read in the ticker, “The Brewers put their “M” logo on the pitching mound each game…”?

    “M” logo, not B” logo? I have never seen the Crew put a “B” logo behind the mound.

  • Ricko | July 10, 2008 at 10:19 am |

    [quote comment=”279283″][quote comment=”279276″]AHL team Iowa Chops [formerly the Iowa Stars] have a new logo and look:
    Here
    Kinda looks like a mashup of the Carolina Panthers and Lehigh Valley Iron Pigs
    Website here[/quote]

    Wow, I can’t get over how bad that name and logo are…

    Can’t imagine sitting in a room with a bunch of people and someone saying “We should call ourselves ‘The Chops’ and have a pig head for a logo”. Then actually having someone else think it’s a good enough idea to agree with it.[/quote]

    AND, they forgot to put the apple in its mouth.

  • Jim | July 10, 2008 at 10:21 am |

    [quote comment=”279283″][quote comment=”279276″]AHL team Iowa Chops [formerly the Iowa Stars] have a new logo and look:
    Here
    Kinda looks like a mashup of the Carolina Panthers and Lehigh Valley Iron Pigs
    Website here[/quote]

    Wow, I can’t get over how bad that name and logo are…

    Can’t imagine sitting in a room with a bunch of people and someone saying “We should call ourselves ‘The Chops’ and have a pig head for a logo”. Then actually having someone else think it’s a good enough idea to agree with it.[/quote]

    And they’re the Ducks’ farm team. Now the stupidest name in the NHL has the stupidest farm team in the minors. Congratulations.

  • U.A. | July 10, 2008 at 10:23 am |

    [quote comment=”279254″]Paul. Now that you say that about the A’s and Red Sox 70’s uniforms I thought i noticed a belt as part of the waist band. It was in that Ted Williams photo of him getting fitted for a uniform as an instructor you sent a few months ago. Take a second look.[/quote]

    Here it is. I thought that was some measurement device the trainer was using (i am not familiar with fitting of the waist bands from the 70’s) but that is a belt after all:
    http://farm3.static....

  • The Ol Goaler | July 10, 2008 at 10:31 am |

    [quote comment=”279255″]STRIPED SOCKS AT PHILS/CARDS GAME

    Local “homer” announcer Chris “I Know EVERYTHING about baseball” Wheeler made a point to emphasize that Brendan Ryan is “the only player on the team that hasn’t gone with the ‘pajama pants’ [quick camera shot of Pujols’s bell-bottoms] which “are so low these days, they drag on the ground.”[/quote]
    The Cardinals have worn those style socks since the days of the Gas House Gang… that’s Dizzy Dean on the right, and brother Paul Dean on the left.

  • Looziana | July 10, 2008 at 10:41 am |

    Regarding Joe Namath… I remember back probably in the early seventies when the Jets played a pre-season game in Houston, I think, and Namath’s game jersey was stolen from the locker room before the game. He wore a plain white practice jersey in its place. (In later years I think the Jets often wore plain white lightweight practice jerseys in exhibition games.) Houston is a short hop from Louisiana, where Vida Blue, the A’s pitcher was from…a small town in Western Louisiana. About a year later I saw a magazine spread and interview with Vida Blue and guess what he was wearing? A white Joe Namath Jets game jersey. Keep in mind this was in the day when you couldn’t just walk into any store and buy an actual NFL game jersey…that was a few years ahead. I always wondered how Blue had gotten that jersey.

  • david | July 10, 2008 at 10:56 am |

    The Namath photo, its the same number-its just folded under!

  • Ferdinand Cesarano | July 10, 2008 at 10:58 am |

    Regarding “ugly ass” fashion caps: I think you have to make a disinction here — all caps that are called “fashion caps” are not equally atrocious. While of course there are those genuine atrocities, such as those with the giant or off-center logos, a simple one-for-one colour replacement on a cap can look just fine.

    I have no big problem with Spike Lee’s solid red Yankee cap. As long as one solid colour replaces another, I am OK with it.

    And the coolest thing about this sort of colour replacement is that it can allow fans with multiple or even divided loyalties to make interesting statments. For example, I have seen a SF Giants cap with the A’s green crown and yellow bill, presumably for a bi-partisan Bay Area fan. And a green Yankee or Met cap is a natural, if the wearer is also a Jet fan.

    So, for me, those fashion caps which feature only solid-colour replacement (and nothing else) are not, by their nature, necessarily ugly, and can in fact sometimes look pretty dignified.

  • straw | July 10, 2008 at 10:58 am |

    Paul

    Thanks for the trip down AFL memory lane. My brtoher and I owned that same book. It is probably in Mom’s attic somewhere. I can’t believe I remember some of those photos like it was yesterday.

    You might want to check out old football books titled, “Prologe or Prologue.” Great NFL photos and probably my primer for a liflong facination with sports uniforms.

    Thanks and great work as always.

  • Ricko | July 10, 2008 at 11:02 am |

    [quote comment=”279290″]Regarding Joe Namath… I remember back probably in the early seventies when the Jets played a pre-season game in Houston, I think, and Namath’s game jersey was stolen from the locker room before the game. He wore a plain white practice jersey in its place. (In later years I think the Jets often wore plain white lightweight practice jerseys in exhibition games.) Houston is a short hop from Louisiana, where Vida Blue, the A’s pitcher was from…a small town in Western Louisiana. About a year later I saw a magazine spread and interview with Vida Blue and guess what he was wearing? A white Joe Namath Jets game jersey. Keep in mind this was in the day when you couldn’t just walk into any store and buy an actual NFL game jersey…that was a few years ahead. I always wondered how Blue had gotten that jersey.[/quote]

    Can’t give specific instances, but every once in a while back then a team would go through preseason without their helmet decals, then add them for season opener. Jets, for sure. I always figured maybe was an issue with them peeling or something. Or, they didn’t want to bother until they knew which guys were gonna make the team, lol. In one instance with Jets I think was year of change from the orignal green aircraft logo of the previous year to the first version of the football logo they still use today.

    Jets wore plain white jerseys in preseason a couple different years.
    http://vault.sportsi...

    So did Chargers.

    Eagles (in ’61, I think) had preseason white jerseys dif. from anything they ever wore in reg. season. Had kelly northwestern style sleeve stripes and fairly large TV numbers on top of shoulders. Reg. season was two kelly stripes widley separated and very small TVs on sleeves.

  • Ricko | July 10, 2008 at 11:07 am |

    Chargers preseason, sans bolts.
    http://webzoom.freew...

  • War Damn Eagle | July 10, 2008 at 11:08 am |

    Nike produces limited edition shoes worn by Michael J. Fox in Back To The Future:

    http://buzz.yahoo.co...

  • KT | July 10, 2008 at 11:10 am |

    Wow. That shot of the “first pro football game at Shea Stadium” doesn’t look like Shea Stadium at all. It looks like the Astrodome to me. Huh.

    Iowa Chops is beyond stupid.

  • Ricko | July 10, 2008 at 11:10 am |

    Eagles preseason, TVs on shoulder.
    Sleeves cut, though, can see NW stripes.
    http://www.photofile...

  • Ricko | July 10, 2008 at 11:12 am |

    Reg season Eagles looked like this.
    http://www.pasttopre...

  • Matt Beahan | July 10, 2008 at 11:15 am |

    Man, it really bugs me when teams get throwback uniforms so wrong. Those Sixers unis are all kinds of bad…

  • Ricko | July 10, 2008 at 11:16 am |

    [quote comment=”279300″]Man, it really bugs me when teams get throwback uniforms so wrong. Those Sixers unis are all kinds of bad…[/quote]

    Wanna start a club?
    ARRRRGH.

  • Giancarlo | July 10, 2008 at 11:24 am |

    Did anyone see the 1977 MLB All-Star Game on YES Network last night? I caught bits of it. Dave Parker (Pirates) came to bat several times wearing a Padres helmet. Also, Joe Garagiola cracked that in BP, Parker (wearing yellow-on-yellow) looked like “a 230-pound canary.” One of the announcers noted the ChiSox “new loose look,” meaning the untucked jerseys they’d been wearing for over a year by then.

  • Michael Emody | July 10, 2008 at 11:27 am |

    Here’s another pic of Ruth as a Dodger coach:
    http://i213.photobuc...
    Just for fun, here’s another 35:
    http://www.thatsmybo...
    Fontastic, eh?

  • Neil | July 10, 2008 at 11:30 am |

    [quote comment=”279253″]Just what IS the best part of this pic:

    http://www.shorpy.co...

    The belted shorts? The socks? The shoes?[/quote]

    Nope. It’s the person peaking through the door behind the team.

  • Broadway Connie | July 10, 2008 at 11:35 am |

    [quote comment=”279297″]
    Iowa Chops is beyond stupid.[/quote]

    Man, you got that right. Part of the problem, I think, is that current mascot iconology fashion favors a “fierce” look, not a “cute” look. Everybody’s trying to look tough, and growly, and menacing. Sometimes that leads to patently absurd designs — like the Chops — or my current favorite, the Louisville cardinal with grimacing teeth. A toothy bird, fer krissake! One of the reason the Cleveland Brownie is so appealing is precisely because he doesn’t try to menace anybody.

    Don’t slant those eyebrows! Don’t bear those fangs!

  • Ricko | July 10, 2008 at 11:38 am |

    Hmmm…a good look at brief period when CLEVELAND on Indians roads was Navy rather than Red.
    http://www.whenitwas...

  • Stuby | July 10, 2008 at 11:42 am |

    [quote comment=”279304″][quote comment=”279253″]Just what IS the best part of this pic:

    http://www.shorpy.co...

    The belted shorts? The socks? The shoes?[/quote]

    Nope. It’s the person peaking through the door behind the team.[/quote]
    The best part is that it sent me on a Shorpy viewing expedition for a few hours at work.

  • mmwatkin | July 10, 2008 at 11:42 am |

    I love the picture of Shea stadium in the football configuration. A lot of people dog on Shea, but it probably had one of the more unique designs for switching between baseball and football. And add the fact that it has the uprights placed over homeplate…magnificent!

    http://www.andrewcle...

  • Ricko | July 10, 2008 at 11:43 am |

    Whoa, speaking of White Sox “relaxed look”…
    Here’s Bill Veeck with, evidently, city officals (or some people definitely not ballplayers) modelling those unis.

    http://i.a.cnn.net/s...

  • Mark K | July 10, 2008 at 11:48 am |

    [quote comment=”279308″]I love the picture of Shea stadium in the football configuration. A lot of people dog on Shea, but it probably had one of the more unique designs for switching between baseball and football. And add the fact that it has the uprights placed over homeplate…magnificent!

    http://www.andrewcle...

    And so there is the answer to yesterday’s question- right there in black and green…

    “In 1974 and 1975 the Mets were kind enough to let the Yankees play in their home while Yankee Stadium was under reconstruction. After a support beam in Yankee Stadium collapsed in early April 1998, the Yankees had to play a home game in Shea Stadium on an emergency basis until repairs could be made.

    From 1964 until 1983 the New York Jets played football in Shea Stadium. In addition, the New York Giants were tenants of the Jets in 1975, awaiting completion of Giants Stadium in the Meadowlands of East Rutherford, New Jersey. No other stadium has ever served as home to two baseball teams and two pro football teams at the same time.”

  • Marty Met | July 10, 2008 at 11:50 am |

    [quote comment=”279305″][quote comment=”279297″]
    Iowa Chops is beyond stupid.[/quote]

    Man, you got that right. Part of the problem, I think, is that current mascot iconology fashion favors a “fierce” look, not a “cute” look. Everybody’s trying to look tough, and growly, and menacing. Sometimes that leads to patently absurd designs — like the Chops — or my current favorite, the Louisville cardinal with grimacing teeth. A toothy bird, fer krissake! One of the reason the Cleveland Brownie is so appealing is precisely because he doesn’t try to menace anybody.

    Don’t slant those eyebrows! Don’t bear those fangs![/quote]

    The Brownie isn’t appealing at all. It belongs on a cookie box.

  • billy | July 10, 2008 at 11:52 am |

    In the Thurman Munson auction, there is a picture of Thurman along with Johnny Bench from the 1976 All Star game

    significance you ask? Bench is wearing a NL PILLBOX HAT!!!!!!

    http://www.huntaucti...

  • josh | July 10, 2008 at 11:57 am |

    [quote comment=”279309″]Whoa, speaking of White Sox “relaxed look”…
    Here’s Bill Veeck with, evidently, city officals (or some people definitely not ballplayers) modelling those unis.

    http://i.a.cnn.net/s...

    Those are Sox players from ’59. The guy in the shorts is Jungle Jim Rivera.

  • Patrick | July 10, 2008 at 11:58 am |

    [quote comment=”279297″]Wow. That shot of the “first pro football game at Shea Stadium” doesn’t look like Shea Stadium at all. It looks like the Astrodome to me. Huh.

    Iowa Chops is beyond stupid.[/quote]

    That’s because the Astrodome was essentially Shea with a roof. Very similar designs.

  • Patrick | July 10, 2008 at 11:59 am |

    The dome, for comparison

    http://www.ballparks...

  • Chad Johnson | July 10, 2008 at 12:15 pm |

    Has anybody noticed that the Angels first base coach is wearing a batting helmet with an ear flap? Is he the only coach wearing an ear flap?

  • josh | July 10, 2008 at 12:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”279305″][quote comment=”279297″]
    Iowa Chops is beyond stupid.[/quote]

    Man, you got that right. Part of the problem, I think, is that current mascot iconology fashion favors a “fierce” look, not a “cute” look. Everybody’s trying to look tough, and growly, and menacing. Sometimes that leads to patently absurd designs — like the Chops — or my current favorite, the Louisville cardinal with grimacing teeth. A toothy bird, fer krissake! One of the reason the Cleveland Brownie is so appealing is precisely because he doesn’t try to menace anybody.

    Don’t slant those eyebrows! Don’t bear those fangs![/quote]

    The other logo that comes to mind is the Orioles cartoon bird (which I love). The bird was cute as could be, but the guys wearing it were menacing. As I mentioned last week, when the Orioles had the cartoon bird as their logo is the only time that they were truly threatening.

  • mark | July 10, 2008 at 12:29 pm |

    potential new Oklahoma City jersey on the right

  • josh | July 10, 2008 at 12:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”279317″]Has anybody noticed that the Angels first base coach is wearing a batting helmet with an ear flap? Is he the only coach wearing an ear flap?[/quote]

    That’s Alfredo Griffin, who I think may have been the first MLB player to wear a double-flapped helmet.

  • mark | July 10, 2008 at 12:33 pm |

    Isn’t it sad that another green color scheme will bite the dust? first the rays, now the sonics. i’m sick of blue and red

  • Giancarlo | July 10, 2008 at 12:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”279280″]
    http://www.weirdwolf...

    Has SO many errors it’s close to worthless, esp. on early AFL unis.

    [/quote]

    What are some of the main ones?

  • Casey (Davis, CA) | July 10, 2008 at 12:43 pm |

    Wow…Iowa Chops.

    Couldn’t they be the Iowa Swine?

    I mean, a sports team named after a cut of meat?

    Countdown until PETA freaks out in 10…9…8…

  • Bryan Redemske | July 10, 2008 at 12:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”279255″]STRIPED SOCKS AT PHILS/CARDS GAME

    Local “homer” announcer Chris “I Know EVERYTHING about baseball” Wheeler made a point to emphasize that Brendan Ryan is “the only player on the team that hasn’t gone with the ‘pajama pants’ [quick camera shot of Pujols’s bell-bottoms] which “are so low these days, they drag on the ground.”[/quote]

    That know-it-all attitude comes from hanging around LaRussa. And as we all know, it was Tony LaRussa who invented baseball.

  • Pretty Boy Paulie | July 10, 2008 at 12:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”279321″]Isn’t it sad that another green color scheme will bite the dust? first the rays, now the sonics. i’m sick of blue and red[/quote]

    You said it! I’m getting sick of all shades of blue combined with red.

    Well the Sonics are not dead, who knows when they’ll assemble a team back in Seattle again. Hopefully next time for once they will finally have a good jersey design in their history.

  • Matt from L.A. | July 10, 2008 at 12:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”279253″]Just what IS the best part of this pic:

    http://www.shorpy.co...

    The belted shorts? The socks? The shoes?[/quote]

    I think the best part is the random person in the rear of the pic on the right side who snuck in the shot.

  • Pretty Boy Paulie | July 10, 2008 at 12:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”279319″]potential new Oklahoma City jersey on the right[/quote]

    Oh God! I’m not liking that design. I like the idea of black and gold, thats a pretty classy color scheme……but I guess it’s safe to say that we should expect a FUGLY Gold alternate uni.

  • Pretty Boy Paulie | July 10, 2008 at 12:56 pm |

    Brendan Ryan! Looking GOOD!!!! I’m glad he has the ACTUAL stir-up sock and not the faux joints that are printed on. As a die-hard Cubs fan I can say that I’m JEALOUS my Cubbies don’t have striped socks.

  • Jim | July 10, 2008 at 1:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”279329″]Brendan Ryan! Looking GOOD!!!! I’m glad he has the ACTUAL stir-up sock and not the faux joints that are printed on. As a die-hard Cubs fan I can say that I’m JEALOUS my Cubbies don’t have striped socks.[/quote]

    Who? I don’t see anyone. Just a big hat with no bend in the brim.

    http://farm2.static....

  • Pretty Boy Paulie | July 10, 2008 at 1:05 pm |

    Anybody notice Cubs’ Aramis Ramirez has started to wear high socks for the first time in his career? It all started about a week ago after he returned from the Dominican Republic where his wife was giving birth. Did his lovely wife give him a few uni pointers? It looks great especially with the blue cleats.

    Home
    http://assets.espn.g...

    Alternate
    http://assets.espn.g...

    Away
    http://assets.espn.g...

  • Beardface | July 10, 2008 at 1:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”279279″]NHL ’09 will apparently have a large number of throwback and retro jerseys for every team included in the game.

    This may be the reason for the pre-Rbk jersey appearing in the screenshot, especially since Florida has no real jersey history to speak of.[/quote]
    They’ll also have European leagues and their jerseys… You know what that means…

    http://image.com.com...

  • Ricko | July 10, 2008 at 1:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”279323″][quote comment=”279280″]
    http://www.weirdwolf...

    Has SO many errors it’s close to worthless, esp. on early AFL unis.

    [/quote]

    What are some of the main ones?[/quote]

    I didnt’ mean just the two shown here, but all those I’ve seen on that site.

    On these two:
    RAIDERS…road numbers were silver, not gold, and either this year or the next (I’d have to check which it was) road socks had NW style striping with center stripe silver and outside stripes white. Home socks plain black.

    Now, the TITANS: Hmmm…let’s see.
    If is ’61, wrong color gold. Was Steeler gold, not old gold.
    Had shoulder loops on road, too. Gold center, blue outside. Some players had TV’s, some didn’t (go figure). Tri-color trim at sleeve ends.
    If 60, colors okay, but no shoulder loops, no stripes on socks. TV’s home and road. Pants two fairly wide navy stripes, no white on pants at all.
    In both years, most players wore a goofy old-style helmet harking back to “leather helmet” look, white padding around rim of face and those white face masks with a single vertical center bar beween the two horizontal. Or a plain single bar.

    (I’ve emailed Paul several photos of the Titans two dif. unis)

    ’60…
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    ’61
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

  • Patrick | July 10, 2008 at 1:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”279276″]AHL team Iowa Chops [formerly the Iowa Stars] have a new logo and look:
    Here
    Kinda looks like a mashup of the Carolina Panthers and Lehigh Valley Iron Pigs
    Website here[/quote]

    The perfect marriage of awful name with awful logo. Seriously, that’s just an epic embarrassment.

    Also, this animal head logo thing needs to stop immediately.

  • Ricko | July 10, 2008 at 1:29 pm |

    better look a tri-color sleeves ends
    http://24.225.31.115...

    Those weird helmets (1960)
    http://tinyurl.com/5...

  • DrBear | July 10, 2008 at 1:31 pm |

    [quote comment=\”279293\”]Paul

    You might want to check out old football books titled, \”Prologe or Prologue.\” Great NFL photos and probably my primer for a liflong facination with sports uniforms.[/quote]

    Prolog was put out by the NFL in the early 70s as a preseason annual. The title was a play on the programs at that time, known as PRO! (with an exclamation point). They did it for about 5-6 years, with a week by week look at the previous season, stats, upcoming possible record breakers for the new season, changes in stadiums, and so on. They dumped it and the PRO! programs with an attempt to make PRO! a monthly magazine – which went about as well as NFL Network is going.

  • Ricko | July 10, 2008 at 1:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”279335″]better look a tri-color sleeves ends
    http://24.225.31.115...

    Those weird helmets (1960)
    Trying agin on helmets.
    http://picasaweb.goo...

  • Ricko | July 10, 2008 at 1:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”279336″][quote comment=\”279293\”]Paul

    You might want to check out old football books titled, \”Prologe or Prologue.\” Great NFL photos and probably my primer for a liflong facination with sports uniforms.[/quote]

    Prolog was put out by the NFL in the early 70s as a preseason annual. The title was a play on the programs at that time, known as PRO! (with an exclamation point). They did it for about 5-6 years, with a week by week look at the previous season, stats, upcoming possible record breakers for the new season, changes in stadiums, and so on. They dumped it and the PRO! programs with an attempt to make PRO! a monthly magazine – which went about as well as NFL Network is going.[/quote]

    I have all but one of them, I think.

  • MPowers1634 | July 10, 2008 at 1:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”279292″]Regarding “ugly ass” fashion caps: I think you have to make a disinction here — all caps that are called “fashion caps” are not equally atrocious. While of course there are those genuine atrocities, such as those with the giant or off-center logos, a simple one-for-one colour replacement on a cap can look just fine.

    I have no big problem with Spike Lee’s solid red Yankee cap. As long as one solid colour replaces another, I am OK with it.

    And the coolest thing about this sort of colour replacement is that it can allow fans with multiple or even divided loyalties to make interesting statments. For example, I have seen a SF Giants cap with the A’s green crown and yellow bill, presumably for a bi-partisan Bay Area fan. And a green Yankee or Met cap is a natural, if the wearer is also a Jet fan.

    So, for me, those fashion caps which feature only solid-colour replacement (and nothing else) are not, by their nature, necessarily ugly, and can in fact sometimes look pretty dignified.[/quote]

    New Era created a line this year with the same design idea…It is called the “Twisted” line:

    http://www.lids.com/...

    These caps have been discussed at length on the blog and unfortunately, the majority of comments regard them very poorly!

  • LarenR | July 10, 2008 at 1:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”279292″]Regarding “ugly ass” fashion caps: I think you have to make a disinction here — all caps that are called “fashion caps” are not equally atrocious. While of course there are those genuine atrocities, such as those with the giant or off-center logos, a simple one-for-one colour replacement on a cap can look just fine.

    I have no big problem with Spike Lee’s solid red Yankee cap. As long as one solid colour replaces another, I am OK with it.

    And the coolest thing about this sort of colour replacement is that it can allow fans with multiple or even divided loyalties to make interesting statments. For example, I have seen a SF Giants cap with the A’s green crown and yellow bill, presumably for a bi-partisan Bay Area fan. And a green Yankee or Met cap is a natural, if the wearer is also a Jet fan.

    So, for me, those fashion caps which feature only solid-colour replacement (and nothing else) are not, by their nature, necessarily ugly, and can in fact sometimes look pretty dignified.[/quote]

    Of course, even the single color caps can go terribly awry. The worst atrocity I have seen in the stands was a Giants cap in Dodger blue! Why would they ever produce such a thing? And what kind of an idiot was it who actually bought it and wore it a Candlestick Park?!

  • MPowers1634 | July 10, 2008 at 1:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”279296″]Nike produces limited edition shoes worn by Michael J. Fox in Back To The Future:

    http://buzz.yahoo.co...

    Without even reading the accompanying article, I can tell you that they are a limited edition pair of the Nike Hyperdunk, which I posted a few nights ago.

    This is a special makeup of the shoe that all of the Nike-endorsed Olympic hoops players will be wearing sparing only Lebron and Carmelo.

    The first ad for this shoe was the assinine video of Kobe and his shadow, Ronnie Turiaf jumping over the Aston Martin.

  • Pretty Boy Paulie | July 10, 2008 at 1:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”279341″][quote comment=”279296″]Nike produces limited edition shoes worn by Michael J. Fox in Back To The Future:

    http://buzz.yahoo.co...

    Without even reading the accompanying article, I can tell you that they are a limited edition pair of the Nike Hyperdunk, which I posted a few nights ago.

    This is a special makeup of the shoe that all of the Nike-endorsed Olympic hoops players will be wearing sparing only Lebron and Carmelo.

    The first ad for this shoe was the assinine video of Kobe and his shadow, Ronnie Turiaf jumping over the Aston Martin.[/quote]

    I was SO P’d off when I heard only 350 pairs of the Back to the Future Hyperdunks were being produced. They only released at UNDFTD in Santa Monica. They could have still made them limited and released them at Niketowns in all the major cities. I shake my head in disappointment at Nike.

  • Ben | July 10, 2008 at 1:50 pm |

    More info & pics on football @ Shea. I like how they put a huge sign on the back of the scoreboard saying “Shea Stadium home of the Jets”

    http://www.stadiumso...

  • chance | July 10, 2008 at 1:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”279337″][quote comment=”279335″]better look a tri-color sleeves ends
    http://24.225.31.115...

    Trying agin on helmets.
    http://picasaweb.goo...

    Here’s another look.

  • Mark in Cincy | July 10, 2008 at 2:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”279344″][quote comment=”279337″][quote comment=”279335″]better look a tri-color sleeves ends
    http://24.225.31.115...

    Those weird helmets (1960)
    Trying agin on helmets.
    http://picasaweb.goo...

    Here’s another look.[/quote]

    scrolling through that gallery produced this gem, a rather interesting black-knight-ish look

  • Stan the Man | July 10, 2008 at 2:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”279325″][quote comment=”279255″]STRIPED SOCKS AT PHILS/CARDS GAME

    Local “homer” announcer Chris “I Know EVERYTHING about baseball” Wheeler made a point to emphasize that Brendan Ryan is “the only player on the team that hasn’t gone with the ‘pajama pants’ [quick camera shot of Pujols’s bell-bottoms] which “are so low these days, they drag on the ground.”[/quote]

    That know-it-all attitude comes from hanging around LaRussa. And as we all know, it was Tony LaRussa who invented baseball.[/quote]

    Bryan,

    Living here outside of ST. Louis, most fans are SICK of LaRussa’s antics…he “lucked” with the 2006 WS win…I was hoping at that time, that LaRussa’s “steroid-stained” ass would have been run out of time…!!!

  • chance | July 10, 2008 at 2:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”279344″][quote comment=”279337″][quote comment=”279335″]better look a tri-color sleeves ends
    http://24.225.31.115...

    Trying agin on helmets.
    http://picasaweb.goo...

    Here’s another look.[/quote]

    And while we’re at it, I know of two Titans jerseys which have been sold at auction (both road whites) – this gorgeous 1961 Bill Mathis example, with UCLA shoulder inserts (and matching cuffs – brilliant!), and this 1960 Don Maynard jersey, plain white with blue numbers.

    As an aside, in the Maynard jersey page there’s a small photo showing the early Titans’ number font, extra-serifed “4” and all….

  • shadeymonk | July 10, 2008 at 2:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”279301″][quote comment=”279300″]Man, it really bugs me when teams get throwback uniforms so wrong. Those Sixers unis are all kinds of bad…[/quote]

    Wanna start a club?
    ARRRRGH.[/quote]

    At least they aren’t going back to this:
    http://www.geoclan.c...

  • Mike Engle | July 10, 2008 at 2:29 pm |

    So, does anybody know until what year the New Era logo looked like this?
    (For the record, that label is from a hat in my personal collection. Solid blue Toronto Blue Jays hat, as worn on the road in the early 90’s with the gray button-down TORONTO uniforms.)

  • Casey (Davis, CA) | July 10, 2008 at 2:29 pm |

    Interesting item for sale on ebay:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    i am curious if it is actually authentic. probably a fake, seeing the seller doesn’t mention the player’s name.

  • chance | July 10, 2008 at 2:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”279347″][quote comment=”279344″][quote comment=”279337″][quote comment=”279335″]better look a tri-color sleeves ends
    http://24.225.31.115...

    Trying agin on helmets.
    http://picasaweb.goo...

    Here’s another look.[/quote]

    And while we’re at it, I know of two Titans jerseys which have been sold at auction (both road whites) – this gorgeous 1961 Bill Mathis example, with UCLA shoulder inserts (and matching cuffs – brilliant!), and this 1960 Don Maynard jersey, plain white with blue numbers.

    As an aside, in the Maynard jersey page there’s a small photo showing the early Titans’ number font, extra-serifed “4” and all….[/quote]

    Found another 1960 Maynard jersey that went up for auction. Different number font, fewer serifs.

  • JoeS | July 10, 2008 at 2:51 pm |

    Remember this:
    http://inventorspot....

    Looks like the only place they used it was in the “unrecognizable movie tie-in sammich” from the Boloneyman:
    http://www.flickr.co...
    It’s even shaped like a jet! It comes from a scene at about 25 seconds into this:
    http://www.homestarr...

  • MPowers1634 | July 10, 2008 at 2:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”279349″]So, does anybody know until what year the New Era logo looked like this?
    (For the record, that label is from a hat in my personal collection. Solid blue Toronto Blue Jays hat, as worn on the road in the early 90’s with the gray button-down TORONTO uniforms.)[/quote]

    Wow, that’s cool! I collected 5950’s in High School, during the 90’s but did not keep any of them.

    I have a few now, however nothing like I had.
    Here are a few of their tags:

    Retro NY Giants:
    http://i256.photobuc...

    Retro Brooklyn Dodgers:
    http://i256.photobuc...

    2006 Red Sox:
    http://i256.photobuc...

    BTW…while I was on Cape Cod last week, I noticed this delivery truck while in Wellfleet:

    http://i256.photobuc...

    I loved it except for the pet peeve that I’ve had since I was a kid of blanking out logos and such!

  • MPowers1634 | July 10, 2008 at 2:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”279352″]Remember this:
    http://inventorspot....

    Looks like the only place they used it was in the “unrecognizable movie tie-in sammich” from the Boloneyman:
    http://www.flickr.co...
    It’s even shaped like a jet! It comes from a scene at about 25 seconds into this:
    http://www.homestarr...

    At first, I just thought that you wanted to link Homestar onto the blog…but upon further investigation…WOW!

    Strong Bad’s E-Mail’s have always been my favorite!

    Great Joerbbb!

  • Dann | July 10, 2008 at 3:24 pm |

    What a shame! I am not sure if this has been posted yet, as it looks the initial story is probably a few weeks old. I do remember a posting up here on some pretty incredible wiffle ball fields….Maybe someone from the area can post a pic???

    http://www.chicagotr...

  • dawn | July 10, 2008 at 3:26 pm |

    I decorate cakes as a hobby and I’m doing one of the Phillies logo. It’s my first sports logo cake and I can’t decide if I should include the TM or not. Thoughts?

  • dawn | July 10, 2008 at 3:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”279355″]What a shame! I am not sure if this has been posted yet, as it looks the initial story is probably a few weeks old. I do remember a posting up here on some pretty incredible wiffle ball fields….Maybe someone from the area can post a pic???

    http://www.chicagotr...

    http://graphics8.nyt...

  • Leo | July 10, 2008 at 3:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”279350″]Interesting item for sale on ebay:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    i am curious if it is actually authentic. probably a fake, seeing the seller doesn’t mention the player’s name.[/quote]

    Sadly, I would assume that it is a fake. First, the “official” NHL All Star Game didn’t start until 1947. Second, even though, according to Wikipedia (I know), there were some benefit games before that, there was no such game in 1942.

    http://en.wikipedia....

    During that time, the league gave out a First Team All-Star and Second Team All-Star list, but it was just an award.

  • Leo | July 10, 2008 at 3:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”279358″][quote comment=”279350″]Interesting item for sale on ebay:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    i am curious if it is actually authentic. probably a fake, seeing the seller doesn’t mention the player’s name.[/quote]

    Sadly, I would assume that it is a fake. First, the “official” NHL All Star Game didn’t start until 1947. Second, even though, according to Wikipedia (I know), there were some benefit games before that, there was no such game in 1942.

    http://en.wikipedia....

    During that time, the league gave out a First Team All-Star and Second Team All-Star list, but it was just an award.[/quote]

    … Apparently, I’m an idiot and can’t tell an A fron an N…

  • KT | July 10, 2008 at 3:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”279302″]Did anyone see the 1977 MLB All-Star Game on YES Network last night? I caught bits of it. Dave Parker (Pirates) came to bat several times wearing a Padres helmet. Also, Joe Garagiola cracked that in BP, Parker (wearing yellow-on-yellow) looked like “a 230-pound canary.” One of the announcers noted the ChiSox “new loose look,” meaning the untucked jerseys they’d been wearing for over a year by then.[/quote]

    I did watch some of that.

    I was amazed first of all at how skinny everybody is (except Greg Luzinski, obviously). MLB players were much thinner then and the uniforms were much tighter (Pete Rose looked like he had gray longjohns on).

    Dave Winfield had a batting helmet with no flaps on. Jerry Morales had a huge afro. Manny Trillo in a Cubs’ light blue pinstripe uni.

    Good times. Good times.

  • KT | July 10, 2008 at 4:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”279336″][quote comment=\”279293\”]Paul

    You might want to check out old football books titled, \”Prologe or Prologue.\” Great NFL photos and probably my primer for a liflong facination with sports uniforms.[/quote]

    Prolog was put out by the NFL in the early 70s as a preseason annual. The title was a play on the programs at that time, known as PRO! (with an exclamation point). They did it for about 5-6 years, with a week by week look at the previous season, stats, upcoming possible record breakers for the new season, changes in stadiums, and so on. They dumped it and the PRO! programs with an attempt to make PRO! a monthly magazine – which went about as well as NFL Network is going.[/quote]

    I have several PROLOGS from the early 1980s. THAT was a great thing to have to recap an entire season in the days before the interweb thingy.

  • UmpLou | July 10, 2008 at 4:07 pm |

    Part of the merger/SB agreement in 1966, was the NFL’s Art McNally taking over supervision of the AFL’s officials…The first three SB’s had what were theoretically ‘hybrid’ AFL/NFL officials, but actually they all had the same boss…

  • KT | July 10, 2008 at 4:19 pm |

    BTW, Phoenix’s new ABA team, press conference today:

    http://www.thephoeni...

  • James Craven | July 10, 2008 at 4:48 pm |

    Here, lemme fix that linkage for you:

    http://www.thephoeni...

    And because this the NEW ABA, two things are certain:

    a) The team logo will reek of awfulness, and

    b) They will fold after several games.

  • Adam | July 10, 2008 at 4:55 pm |

    Brendan Ryan disappoints, going with the pajamas in this afternoon’s loss. The Phillies SS Jimmy Rollins unusually chose knickers today; so did today’s SP Jamie Moyer as always.

    Both looked great in the red hose together with the pinstripeless 1940s alternate uniforms.

    p.s. Wheeler is the Phillies‘ broadcaster, so he doesn’t spend much time around La Russa.

  • JN | July 10, 2008 at 5:11 pm |

    i think this was posted a few days ago, but there is a little bit of a conspiracy regarding this team usa basketball photo…

    http://www.cnbc.com/...

    reminds me of when paul got a little upset when michael jordan was working out in his bobcats gear and had the adidas logo taped out. i’m 99% sure he had an entire posting for that day, but i didn’t get a chance to go back into the archives..

    ..but at least there are some athletes who don’t go overboard on the logo loyalty. take one david beckham, who is adidas..

    http://www.besportie...

    ..but when training with the arsenal squad back in january, not only wore the gunners’ gear (weird to see him in an epl kit not man u), but donned the swoosh as well (with his galaxy/real madrid #23 on it as well). good for him..

    http://www.simonng.n...

  • Ricko | July 10, 2008 at 5:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”279364″]Here, lemme fix that linkage for you:

    http://www.thephoeni...

    And because this the NEW ABA, two things are certain:

    a) The team logo will reek of awfulness, and

    b) They will fold after several games.[/quote]

    Remember the ill-fated World Baskeball League (was that the name of it?), where no player could be taller than 6’4″ (I think it was 6’4″, anyway)?

  • who cares | July 10, 2008 at 5:18 pm |

    Speaking of faltering basketball leagues, does anyone else find it interesting that a team called the “Chicago Throwbacks” would wear such contemporary attire?

    http://www.chicagoth...

  • Jefferson D | July 10, 2008 at 5:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”279356″]I decorate cakes as a hobby and I’m doing one of the Phillies logo. It’s my first sports logo cake and I can’t decide if I should include the TM or not. Thoughts?[/quote]

    I wouldn’t do it. Simplicity is key, especially when writing in frosting.

  • =bg= | July 10, 2008 at 5:45 pm |

    We’ve discussed manager tirades before. How’s this one-
    http://www.news10.ne...

    He makes the umpire SMELL HIS SHOES AND HIS ARMPIT. Earl Weaver, wherever you are..this one’s for you.

  • =bg= | July 10, 2008 at 5:51 pm |

    Question for all:
    If you buy a genuine on-field MLB game jersey- is there a general protocol for buying it WITH numbers, or w/o? Does it look stupid w/o numbers? IE, just a blank back. I am thinking about an SFGiants home jersey. Maybe 55 on the back, I don’t know. But then if he’s traded, do I look like a dork.

  • Benjamin Bonnet | July 10, 2008 at 5:53 pm |

    Yeah, I totally remember Rathman wearing that No Fear logo on his helmet. If I remember right, he also had it on his nose bumper for a while.

    And, when Carmelo Anthony was introduced with the Nuggets, he was wearing a throwback uniform. That was the year that the Nuggets went with their current design, but Melo was wearing a rainbow skyline jersey.

  • Steven | July 10, 2008 at 6:11 pm |

    So Baron Davis is officially a clipper…and they are showing this

    http://www.nba.com/m...

    on the announcement page. Can’t decide if I like it, or if I can’t stand the photoshop.

    The press conference was supposed to start 10 minutes ago, but online stream has not started.

  • LarenR | July 10, 2008 at 6:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”279371″]Question for all:
    If you buy a genuine on-field MLB game jersey- is there a general protocol for buying it WITH numbers, or w/o? Does it look stupid w/o numbers? IE, just a blank back. I am thinking about an SFGiants home jersey. Maybe 55 on the back, I don’t know. But then if he’s traded, do I look like a dork.[/quote]

    I had the same dilemma last year. As a season ticket holder, I went to the All Star Game at AT&T and wanted a BP jersey, but refused to get one with Bonds on it, so I ended up with a blank back. Now it feels a little lame…but still better than a big ol’ 25.

  • Mike | July 10, 2008 at 6:25 pm |

    The new league font used by the Portuguese league demonstrated on the back of Benfica’s new jersey. Luis Filipe Vieira is Benfica’s president. FNOB with middle initial.

    http://i200.photobuc...

  • Johnny O | July 10, 2008 at 6:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”279284″][quote comment=”279273″]While the Negro League game was the only one I didn’t go to that weekend, I watched on TV and the Brewers “M” on the back of the mound was black to match the black unis. As far as I’ve seen, they don’t do dark blue — they actually avoid black chalk markings because they don’t show up well. The first night of the Corey Hart “heart” they had the Brewers.com in black and it didn’t play well even in stadium, much less on TV. Last night it was in white.[/quote]

    No screen grab, but I am gonna have to agree with Nicole. the Milwaukee Bears “M” was indeed black, and not blue.

    Also, Nicole is exactly right about the heart/Hart logo. The “Brewers.com” portion of the logo was in white chalk and not black like the previous day.

    Tuesday’s game:
    http://i147.photobuc...

    Wednesday’s game:
    http://i147.photobuc...

    P.S. Shouldn’t it read in the ticker, “The Brewers put their “M” logo on the pitching mound each game…”?

    “M” logo, not B” logo? I have never seen the Crew put a “B” logo behind the mound.[/quote]

    Looks like the Hart/heart in chalk paid off… the Brewer faithful came through and are sending Mr. Hart to the All-Star game!

    The best fans in the world are from Wisconsin!

  • =bg= | July 10, 2008 at 6:43 pm |

    Name that OKC NBA team———

    http://sports.yahoo....

    At least we won’t have another Utah Jazz.

  • j gillespie | July 10, 2008 at 7:25 pm |

    I guess the Brand 76ers jersey is an alternate/ throwback they wore periodically last year and will do the same again in 08-09

    http://www.the700lev...

  • James Craven | July 10, 2008 at 7:53 pm |

    I was hoping a couple seasons ago they’d wear ther 1967 NBA Champions unis from that season. Maybe this year, they would have worn those slick 1976-77 unis that Dr. Julius Erving donned with the stars down the outside seams.

  • Flip | July 10, 2008 at 9:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”279374″][quote comment=”279371″]Question for all:
    If you buy a genuine on-field MLB game jersey- is there a general protocol for buying it WITH numbers, or w/o? Does it look stupid w/o numbers? IE, just a blank back. I am thinking about an SFGiants home jersey. Maybe 55 on the back, I don’t know. But then if he’s traded, do I look like a dork.[/quote]

    I had the same dilemma last year. As a season ticket holder, I went to the All Star Game at AT&T and wanted a BP jersey, but refused to get one with Bonds on it, so I ended up with a blank back. Now it feels a little lame…but still better than a big ol’ 25.[/quote]
    If you have to ask …

  • BS | July 10, 2008 at 9:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”279334″][quote comment=”279276″]AHL team Iowa Chops [formerly the Iowa Stars] have a new logo and look:
    Here
    Kinda looks like a mashup of the Carolina Panthers and Lehigh Valley Iron Pigs
    Website here[/quote]

    The perfect marriage of awful name with awful logo. Seriously, that’s just an epic embarrassment.

    Also, this animal head logo thing needs to stop immediately.[/quote]

    How dare you insult Albert!!! He will Superman you! Or he will attack you like he did the late Crocodile Hunter!
    Go Gators! Albert = best mascot/logo of all time!

  • BS | July 10, 2008 at 9:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”279381″][quote comment=”279374″][quote comment=”279371″]Question for all:
    If you buy a genuine on-field MLB game jersey- is there a general protocol for buying it WITH numbers, or w/o? Does it look stupid w/o numbers? IE, just a blank back. I am thinking about an SFGiants home jersey. Maybe 55 on the back, I don’t know. But then if he’s traded, do I look like a dork.[/quote]

    I had the same dilemma last year. As a season ticket holder, I went to the All Star Game at AT&T and wanted a BP jersey, but refused to get one with Bonds on it, so I ended up with a blank back. Now it feels a little lame…but still better than a big ol’ 25.[/quote]
    If you have to ask …[/quote]
    Do a quick google images search and decide for yourself. I recommend getting a legend’s uni number like Willie McCovey or Willie Mays. And I would love to see Lincecum get traded to the Red Sox! The SI story on his delivery was fascinating. No mention of why he chose to wear 55 though…

  • MH | July 10, 2008 at 9:35 pm |

    I don’t know if anybody mentioned it, but the Raider in that 63 pic had stripes on his socks. Football Uni’s P & P did not indicate that. (Much like the trimmed down number outline)
    Am I right? I’m going to send this and then look again. Chaka Khan!

  • BS | July 10, 2008 at 9:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”279367″][quote comment=”279364″]Here, lemme fix that linkage for you:

    http://www.thephoeni...

    And because this the NEW ABA, two things are certain:

    a) The team logo will reek of awfulness, and

    b) They will fold after several games.[/quote]

    Remember the ill-fated World Baskeball League (was that the name of it?), where no player could be taller than 6’4″ (I think it was 6’4″, anyway)?[/quote]
    Why is this the American Basketball Association if they have teams in China, Canada, the Bahamas, etc.?

  • James Craven | July 10, 2008 at 9:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”279359″]“Apparently, I’m an idiot and can’t tell an A fron an N.”[/quote]

    Where’s Ren Hoek now that we need him?

  • James Craven | July 10, 2008 at 10:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”279385″]“Why is this the American Basketball Association if they have teams in China, Canada, the Bahamas, etc.?”[/quote]

    Maybe because Joe Newman, their CEO, is an asshat because he can’t take criticism from the internet community? Or maybe because there are teams in Podunk, Missouri and Nowhere, Ohio? Or they all have logos that were easily designed on Photoshop by third graders using clip art? Or maybe the threat from the Cramer boardies of buying a team drove him into madness?

  • Jason | July 10, 2008 at 11:53 pm |

    Just a quick comment about the two reyes on the mets. the two kostityn brothers on the canadiens never played with initials all year. Does anyone know if the canadiens ever have used initials with brothers?

  • Ricko | July 11, 2008 at 12:22 am |

    [quote comment=”279384″]I don’t know if anybody mentioned it, but the Raider in that 63 pic had stripes on his socks. Football Uni’s P & P did not indicate that. (Much like the trimmed down number outline)
    Am I right? I’m going to send this and then look again. Chaka Khan![/quote]

    Those Raider striped socks were worn on the road in 1964 only. The slightly wider center stripe was silver(gray), the two outside stripes white. The thick edge on the silver numbers also is a 1964-only thing, perhaps due to issues of readibility with the thin-edge road numbers of ’63. Evidently it didn’t solve the problem, because sometime during the ’64 season the front and back numbers were changed to solid black, but the TV numbers remained silver.

    For ’65, all road numbers became black with a silver edge and have remained essentially that way since (the silver edge is there sometimes, sometimes not, and has varied in thickness)…with the exception of 1970, when the thin-edged silver numbers were reprised for one season. That uniform is often seen because it was the year when George Blanda had his famous series of late-game passing and placekicking heroics.

    Earlier tonight I e-mailed Paul scans of photos relating to this.

  • The Ghost of Ross Gload | July 11, 2008 at 1:05 am |

    Dear Major League Soccer:

    The next time you hire some fancy-pants graphic designer to create a custom font for wear on your uniforms, please instruct him/her to try a little bit harder on making the “1s” and the “7s” distinguishable from each other at distances greater than 20 feet.

    Thank you.

  • Mike from Queens | July 11, 2008 at 1:10 am |

    [quote comment=”279253″]Just what IS the best part of this pic:

    http://www.shorpy.co...

    The belted shorts? The socks? The shoes?[/quote]

    The hair. Are you kidding me? They look like extras from “O Brother, Where Art Thou?”.

  • Teebz | July 11, 2008 at 1:19 am |

    [quote comment=”279389″]Just a quick comment about the two reyes on the mets. the two kostityn brothers on the canadiens never played with initials all year. Does anyone know if the canadiens ever have used initials with brothers?[/quote]

    Henri and Maurice Richard – no.
    Francis and Jesse Belanger – no.
    Bill and Robert Boucher – no.
    Odie and Sprague Cleghorn – no.
    Eric and Martin Desjardins – no info on Martin.
    Tom and Al Johnson – no.
    Aurel and Bobby Joliat – no.
    Patrick and Stephan Lebeau – no.
    Claude and Jocelyn Lemieux – not that I can tell.
    Frank and Pete Mahovlich – no.
    Georges and Sylvio Mantha – no.
    Bill and Keith McCreary – no.
    Andre and Claude Pronovost – no.
    Ken and Terry Reardon – no.
    Larry and Moe Robinson – no.
    JC and Gilles Tremblay – no.
    Murray and Rick Wilson – no.

    I believe it’s safe to say that, after a preliminary search, that it has never happened on the back of a jersey.

  • Nick | July 11, 2008 at 3:27 am |

    In regards to those New Era “Twisted” caps, seeing Atlanta in Orange and Blue almost made me sick. Stuff like that should be stopped.

  • Mike Engle | July 11, 2008 at 7:02 am |

    [quote comment=”279394″]In regards to those New Era “Twisted” caps, seeing Atlanta in Orange and Blue almost made me sick. Stuff like that should be stopped.[/quote]
    I have to admit though, some were awesome. They have a Phillies twisted that looks just like the cursed blue hat featured in the “one and done” article; a Rangers hat that, except for maybe a black drop shadow, looks like Juan Gonzalez’s old hat, and A’s hats in Kansas City (navy, red bill) and Philadelphia (royal blue)-esque color schemes. I really liked those, and I generally hate fashion caps. They also have a brown Padres hat with a modern logo in orange. That’s not bad either. Would have liked to have seen a navy and red Brewers cap as an alternate universe kind of thing. (Bud Selig would have changed the Pilots/Brewers colors to red and navy to match the old minor league team if he weren’t stuck with the blue and gold set at the last minute.)

  • BS | July 11, 2008 at 12:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”279393″][quote comment=”279389″]Just a quick comment about the two reyes on the mets. the two kostityn brothers on the canadiens never played with initials all year. Does anyone know if the canadiens ever have used initials with brothers?[/quote]

    Henri and Maurice Richard – no.
    Francis and Jesse Belanger – no.
    Bill and Robert Boucher – no.
    Odie and Sprague Cleghorn – no.
    Eric and Martin Desjardins – no info on Martin.
    Tom and Al Johnson – no.
    Aurel and Bobby Joliat – no.
    Patrick and Stephan Lebeau – no.
    Claude and Jocelyn Lemieux – not that I can tell.
    Frank and Pete Mahovlich – no.
    Georges and Sylvio Mantha – no.
    Bill and Keith McCreary – no.
    Andre and Claude Pronovost – no.
    Ken and Terry Reardon – no.
    Larry and Moe Robinson – no.
    JC and Gilles Tremblay – no.
    Murray and Rick Wilson – no.

    I believe it’s safe to say that, after a preliminary search, that it has never happened on the back of a jersey.[/quote]
    They weren’t brothers but Keyshawn and Brad Johnson each wore initials while on the Yucs.

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