Hmmm, Did Joseph Cooper Wear a Mask?

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New ESPN column today (link here), but it’s a short one, so we’ll carry on here as usual.

So: I’ve frequently written about baseball players who’ve had facemasks attached to their helmets after suffering facial injuries, a roster that includes Ellis Valentine, Gary Roenicke, Kevin Seitzer, Charlie Hayes, Terry Steinbach, Terrence Long (here’s a side view), David Justice, and of course Dave Parker (who wore a hockey mask for one plate appearance before switching to a football-style mask, which was later sold at auction), among others.

But who was the first ballplayer to wear a mask attached to his helmet? Depending on how you want to define “mask,” I suppose you could say Earl Battey’s do-it-yourself earflap from 1963 might qualify. But reader Jere Smith may have found a significantly earlier example.

Check out this New York Times item, which ran on September 6th, 1959. It says Billy Martin, then with the Indians, would be wearing “a special helmet fitted with football-type face-guarding bars” after having being beaned a month earlier. But here’s the thing: Despite returning to the active roster, Martin never played again that season. As you can see here, his last game that season was on August 5th (the day he was beaned). So unless he wore the mask-equipped helmet the following season — which is unlikely, since most players who’ve worn the masks have only required them for a month or two — Martin may have been the first player to be outfitted with a mask-inclusive helmet, even though he never got to wear it in a game. Man, I’d love to see the rig they devised for him. My new holy grail.

As it turned out, the most direct effect of Martin’s beaning wasn’t on helmet history — it was on Jim Brewer’s face. Almost exactly a year to the day after Martin took that pitch to the face, Brewer buzzed one over his head, prompting a sequence of events that culminated in a one of history’s most notorious sucker punches. After the game, Martin (who by this time was playing for the Reds) explained that he’d no longer tolerate any pitches near his head after having been beaned the previous season.

Note that Martin was wearing a helmet as he punched Brewer, but no facemask. Maybe Brewer should have worn one instead.

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Get Shorty, Continued: Yesterday I linked to this article about the 1975 Sacramento Solons, who wore shorts. The article mentioned that another minor league team, the Houston Buffaloes, had worn shorts way back in 1949, which was news to me. But sure enough, Paul Deaver has come up with this.

Only thing is, the caption says the Buffs wore the shorts in 1950, not ’49. Then again, if you scroll down to the April 1st, 1950 entry on this page, it says the Buffs wore the shorts in 1949, and other sources tell conflicting tales (Rob Neyer and I spent a good portion of last night trading research on this one). It’s a significant point to nail down, because 1950 was the year that the Hollywood Stars unveiled their shorts, so it’s not clear which team was the first to go shorts-clad. I will continue to investigate.

Research Query: I’m currently in the market for any and all photos that show Mets players wearing white cleats in an All-Star Game, especially during the Davey Johnson era. If anyone has Mets yearbooks from that era (no, I don’t have any myself — all my yearbooks are from the ’70s), could you see if the All-Star coverage includes any photos showing white-shod Mets? Thanks.

Uni Watch News Ticker: A source at MLB.com checked in yesterday with the following info about the star-spangled caps: “Just Sunday and Monday, they sold almost $250,000 worth of these hats JUST on the mlb.com online store. That doesn’t count sales at the game, sales at stores, or sales at other online sites. They have been the top-selling items all weekend. Yankees, Red Sox, Cubs, and Phillies were the top four, in that order. They are far and away the best-selling item we had last week and one of the hottest-selling items this year.” All very nice, what with “a portion of the proceeds” going to charity. Still waiting to hear what the portion is and what portion, if any, MLB is pocketing. … MLB’s pants problem is nicely summarized in the last sentence of this item (with thanks to Bo Baize). … No photo, but according to this Q&A page, “When the [1996] Packers were honored at the White House [after winning the Super Bowl], Jim McMahon wore a Bears jersey, enraging Green Bay fans. McMahon explained that he did it because the Bears never got a chance to visit the White House after winning Super Bowl XX. Their trip to Washington was canceled after the Challenger space shuttle blew up” (great find by Jesse Benack). … Got a note yesterday from one Jakob Kuriakose, who said he totally digs Uni Watch, except for one thing: “I have one huge objection to your site, and that is your love of stirrups.” Yes, and aside from that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play? … Here’s a puzzler: Phil Garner, circa 1977, wearing a Yosemite Sam sleeve patch! Robert DeCorte noticed the photo in the lower-right corner of the Pirates’ 1978 yearbook cover. “I’m assuming it had something to do with Phil’s bushy mustache, since no other Pirate seems to have that patch.” This is a new one to me — anyone know more? … The Pedro porthole is spreading. That’s Aaron Heilman, from Monday night’s game. … Partial roundup of Olympic outfits here (courtesy of James Yeh). … Very cool 1950s Bear Bryant jacket up for auction (with thanks to Chris Smith). … Uni Watch teamwork in action: Jen Boone told me that Ryan Spilborghs of the Rockies had come to bat with his fly wide open, and Kate Lyden Chavez provided the screen shots, as seen here and here. … Nice to Nike is getting into the American Gladiators scene. All kidding aside, the notion that high socks and arm sleeves can actually make a runner faster is interesting. Designers always like to say, “Less is more,” but in this case maybe more is less. … Manny Ramirez wears Nike cleats these days, but he’s about to cash a $10,000 check from Reebok. Why? Look here (with thanks to Jim Pericotti). … Remember when the Brewers were advertising their web site on the Miller Park mound? Now they’re campaigning for Corey Hart to be elected to the final All-Star spot in the dirt behind home plate. Can’t they leave this shit off the field of play? As most of you know, I love Milwaukee, but these are total Mickey Mouse moves that belong in the minor leagues (screen grab courtesy of John Okray). … Michael Beasley has both of the Nats’ logos tattooed on his arm (with thanks to Eric Arnold). … Several people have forwarded me the URL for this “10 Worst Sports Logos Ever” list. It’s poorly conceived and poorly executed (please, let’s not bother discussing all its shortcomings), so I wasn’t planning on linking to it. But there was lots of chatter in the comments yesterday about one of the items on the list: this secondary Jets logo. Several people said they’d never seen it before, and one went so far as to say he didn’t believe it was the real deal. Ah, but it is, and I have the proof. One of the more interesting items in the Uni Watch library is this Jets style guide (yes, it has an Astroturf cover), which I acquired a few years ago. Entitled Being Green, it lays out strict style guidelines for the team’s logo, typography, graphics, and — wait for it — the “Gameface” (which also makes a cameo appearance here). So yes, the Gameface logo was indeed an official part of the team’s graphic identity as of a few years ago, although I agree that it never seems to have been used in a public setting (and also agree that that’s probably for the best). The style guide — and maybe the Gameface icon itself — was produced by the superstar designer Michael Beirut of Pentagram, who also happens to be one of people with whom I’ll be sharing a lectern at that “Sports and Design” reading on the 22nd, so I’ll ask him about the Gameface then. Or you can show up and ask him yourself.

 

276 comments to Hmmm, Did Joseph Cooper Wear a Mask?

  • Marc M. | July 9, 2008 at 8:12 am |

    All very nice, what with “a portion of the proceeds” going to charity. Still waiting to hear what the portion is and what portion, if any, MLB is pocketing.

    Radio banter on the Phillies broadcast last weekend (and I don’t have the exact day), the announcer said that %100 of the proceeds from the sale of the hats go to the charity. Don’t know if he was just riffing or if he really knew what he was talking about.

  • LI Phil | July 9, 2008 at 8:12 am |
  • U.A. | July 9, 2008 at 8:28 am |

    Paul, You forgot David Justice who is usualy on your list of masked players

  • LI Phil | July 9, 2008 at 8:34 am |

    searching for white-cleated amazin’s is proving more difficult that originally thought…but i found this pic of carlos baerga in the ice cream uni…don’t know if you have it paul, but if not…you do now

  • U.A. | July 9, 2008 at 8:36 am |

    [quote comment=”278981″]Paul, You forgot David Justice who is usualy on your list of masked players[/quote]
    Here it is:
    http://www.baseballc...

  • Paul Lukas | July 9, 2008 at 8:48 am |

    [quote comment=”278983″][quote comment=”278981″]Paul, You forgot David Justice who is usualy on your list of masked players[/quote]
    Here it is:
    http://www.baseballc...

    Well, I did say “among others,” but thanks — now added.

  • Rick | July 9, 2008 at 8:51 am |

    Adding to the gallery of Olympic outfits: the Netherlands.

    http://www.sport.nl/...
    No photos, just a video; presentation starts about 25″ in. Leisure clothing by Asics, no idea about the formal wear.

  • Jim | July 9, 2008 at 8:52 am |

    Career Retrospective of Jagr.

    Lots of mullet and uni goodness here:

    http://www.nhl.com/n...

    Except for the NYR Liberty and WASH unis. Eww.

    And from yesterday:

    Teebz, good to hear I’m not the only one that considers hockey a religion!!

  • Craig D | July 9, 2008 at 8:53 am |

    How is the Brownie Elf one of the worst logos?

    It’s a classic that has always been a secondary logo. Never commercialized, never over exposed. It’s almost an inside thing, like you have to be a member of the club

  • Craig D | July 9, 2008 at 8:54 am |

    Brownie example
    http://theburningriv...

  • Benjamin | July 9, 2008 at 8:54 am |

    As a former NY Jets season tickets holder, I can tell you that Gameface is quite prevalent at the Meadowlands. He is the character they use in all the in-game video animations. Before the start of each game, they have a little cartoon of Gameface getting ready and taking the subway-taxi to the game.

  • LI Phil | July 9, 2008 at 8:57 am |

    [quote comment=”278989″]As a former NY Jets season tickets holder, I can tell you that Gameface is quite prevalent at the Meadowlands. He is the character they use in all the in-game video animations. Before the start of each game, they have a little cartoon of Gameface getting ready and taking the subway-taxi to the game.[/quote]

    so gameface is actually an angry football and not an airplane on a football then?

    /former STH? couldn’t take it anymore ;)

  • Sam | July 9, 2008 at 8:58 am |

    I forget what day it was, but last week in USA Today there was a very short blurb about the hats that included your question. I don’t remember what day, but it included Paul’s question. It may have had the answer about the percentage of proceeds.

  • Peter Wunsch | July 9, 2008 at 9:02 am |

    The Challenger space crash happened before SB XX. In fact, the funeral service was the morning of the game.

  • Don | July 9, 2008 at 9:02 am |

    “Gameface” used to be all over the Jets’ Web site, too.

  • Allen | July 9, 2008 at 9:08 am |

    The jets gameface also was avaliable as a cellphone wallpaper in the short lived Jets Mobile section of the website. It was available in both green and white faces (I have them both if anyone is interested). It also appeared on several different t-shirt designs of which I have one at home.

  • Luther Mahoney | July 9, 2008 at 9:12 am |

    Check the Curt Blefary photos (07.07.2008) in Steve’s Baseball Photos pages. What is a that catcher’s helmet that Jeff Torborg is wearing?
    It looks like a tank driver’s helmet.

  • Chris is Nashville | July 9, 2008 at 9:20 am |

    The “U” will be on the field when U of M plays at Dolphins stadium but only after the Marlins’ season concludes. So, they will have 2 football teams and baseball team all playing at the same place. Has that been done before? Chargers, Aztecs, Padres at Jack Murphy?

    http://www.orlandose...

  • Ditchfarmer | July 9, 2008 at 9:24 am |

    Glenn Hubbard wore a face guard for a while with the A’s around 88-89.

    About Manny’s “Cleats”, I’ve always thought rubber or plastic were “Cleats” and metal were “spikes”. Can we get a verdict here?

  • Ditchfarmer | July 9, 2008 at 9:25 am |

    The “U” will be on the field when U of M plays at Dolphins stadium but only after the Marlins’ season concludes. So, they will have 2 football teams and baseball team all playing at the same place. Has that been done before? Chargers, Aztecs, Padres at Jack Murphy?

    The Vikings, Twins, and U of M play on the Metrodome every year.

  • Paul Lukas | July 9, 2008 at 9:27 am |

    [quote comment=”278987″]How is the Brownie Elf one of the worst logos?

    It’s a classic that has always been a secondary logo. Never commercialized, never over exposed. It’s almost an inside thing, like you have to be a member of the club[/quote]

    What did I say about not picking over the list’s obvious shortcoming? It’s a bad list. Let’s move on.

  • Paul Lukas | July 9, 2008 at 9:31 am |

    [quote comment=”278995″]Check the Curt Blefary photos (07.07.2008) in Steve’s Baseball Photos pages. What is a that catcher’s helmet that Jeff Torborg is wearing?
    It looks like a tank driver’s helmet.[/quote]

    Here’s the photo in question:
    http://www.thatsmybo...

    That same catcher’s helmet was also worn by Duke Sims:
    http://espn.go.com/i...

    Anyone know who manufactured that model, or what it was called? Definitely the earliest brimless catcher’s lid I’ve seen. Later versions, made by ABC, didn’t have the ribbing:
    http://www.metscolle...

  • Chris is Nashville | July 9, 2008 at 9:31 am |

    [quote comment=”278998″]The “U” will be on the field when U of M plays at Dolphins stadium but only after the Marlins’ season concludes. So, they will have 2 football teams and baseball team all playing at the same place. Has that been done before? Chargers, Aztecs, Padres at Jack Murphy?

    The Vikings, Twins, and U of M play on the Metrodome every year.[/quote]

    True, but I was thinking grass surface because of the wear and tear it would endure. They have Gopher games and Twin games the same day. You can’t do that on grass.

  • Kek | July 9, 2008 at 9:32 am |

    [quote comment=”278998″]The “U” will be on the field when U of M plays at Dolphins stadium but only after the Marlins’ season concludes. So, they will have 2 football teams and baseball team all playing at the same place. Has that been done before? Chargers, Aztecs, Padres at Jack Murphy?

    The Vikings, Twins, and U of M play on the Metrodome every year.[/quote]
    In 2000 (and select big games in the 70s), you’d have the Pirates, Steelers and Pitt sharing Pitt Stadium.

    Also in the Commonwealth, the Phils, Eagles and Temple Owls shared the Vet at various times.

  • Ricko | July 9, 2008 at 9:34 am |

    [quote comment=”278998″]The “U” will be on the field when U of M plays at Dolphins stadium but only after the Marlins’ season concludes. So, they will have 2 football teams and baseball team all playing at the same place. Has that been done before? Chargers, Aztecs, Padres at Jack Murphy?

    The Vikings, Twins, and U of M play on the Metrodome every year.[/quote]

    Going WAY back for another one…when Dodgers first moved to LA, they shared Coliseum with USC and UCLA football teams (Bruins didn’t move to Rose Bowl til years later).

    I don’t think that was considered a multi-use stadium, though (rolls eyes).

  • Tris Wykes | July 9, 2008 at 9:37 am |

    In regards to batting helmet face masks, here in Virginia, high school softball players have been required to use them for a few years now. Some use a sort of rounded model that seems to be softball-specific, but other teams just screw on a football facemask and call it good.

  • jesse | July 9, 2008 at 9:38 am |

    [quote comment=”279002″][quote comment=”278998″]The “U” will be on the field when U of M plays at Dolphins stadium but only after the Marlins’ season concludes. So, they will have 2 football teams and baseball team all playing at the same place. Has that been done before? Chargers, Aztecs, Padres at Jack Murphy?

    The Vikings, Twins, and U of M play on the Metrodome every year.[/quote]
    In 2000 (and select big games in the 70s), you’d have the Pirates, Steelers and Pitt sharing Pitt Stadium.

    Also in the Commonwealth, the Phils, Eagles and Temple Owls shared the Vet at various times.[/quote]

    The Pirates never played at Pitt Stadium. They played at Forbes Field down the street. All three teams did play at Three Rivers from time to time

  • Ditchfarmer | July 9, 2008 at 9:38 am |

    We had one of those catchers helmets in Babe Ruth, it was a Rawlings model I believe. Really weird because there was no helmet on the forehead, it stopped where the mask started.

  • Kek | July 9, 2008 at 9:40 am |

    [quote comment=”279005″][quote comment=”279002″][quote comment=”278998″]The “U” will be on the field when U of M plays at Dolphins stadium but only after the Marlins’ season concludes. So, they will have 2 football teams and baseball team all playing at the same place. Has that been done before? Chargers, Aztecs, Padres at Jack Murphy?

    The Vikings, Twins, and U of M play on the Metrodome every year.[/quote]
    In 2000 (and select big games in the 70s), you’d have the Pirates, Steelers and Pitt sharing Pitt Stadium.

    Also in the Commonwealth, the Phils, Eagles and Temple Owls shared the Vet at various times.[/quote]

    The Pirates never played at Pitt Stadium. They played at Forbes Field down the street. All three teams did play at Three Rivers from time to time[/quote]
    OMG! I meant Three Rivers! My bad!!!!

  • War Damn Eagle | July 9, 2008 at 9:40 am |

    [quote comment=”279003″][quote comment=”278998″]The “U” will be on the field when U of M plays at Dolphins stadium but only after the Marlins’ season concludes. So, they will have 2 football teams and baseball team all playing at the same place. Has that been done before? Chargers, Aztecs, Padres at Jack Murphy?

    The Vikings, Twins, and U of M play on the Metrodome every year.[/quote]

    Going WAY back for another one…when Dodgers first moved to LA, they shared Coliseum with USC and UCLA football teams (Bruins didn’t move to Rose Bowl til years later).

    I don’t think that was considered a multi-use stadium, though (rolls eyes).[/quote]

    The Jets, Giants, and New York Red Bulls share the Meadowlands. But that’s with fieldturf (and no baseball).

    The Oilers, Astros, and the University of Houston used to share the Astrodome as recently as the 90s.

  • josh | July 9, 2008 at 9:40 am |

    [quote comment=”279000″][quote comment=”278995″]Check the Curt Blefary photos (07.07.2008) in Steve’s Baseball Photos pages. What is a that catcher’s helmet that Jeff Torborg is wearing?
    It looks like a tank driver’s helmet.[/quote]

    Here’s the photo in question:
    http://www.thatsmybo...

    That same catcher’s helmet was also worn by Duke Sims:
    http://espn.go.com/i...

    Anyone know who manufactured that model, or what it was called? Definitely the earliest brimless catcher’s lid I’ve seen. Later versions, made by ABC, didn’t have the ribbing:
    http://www.metscolle...

    I worked at Morrie Mages Sports in the ’70s and we sold those. I think they were manufactured by Rawlings. They weren’t full crown helmets, but had straps in the front that attached to the mask. Ed Herrmann also wore one with the White Sox.

  • jesse | July 9, 2008 at 9:42 am |

    The “U” will be on the field when U of M plays at Dolphins stadium but only after the Marlins’ season concludes.

    Also the Steelers and Panthers efforts to switch the painting on the field at Heinz Field was an absolute disaster. I can’t imagine the “U” logo being at the center of the field for more than a season. By next year it will just say “Miami” in the end zone in Orange just like in Pittsburgh.

  • Stuby | July 9, 2008 at 9:45 am |

    [quote comment=”279000″][quote comment=”278995″]Check the Curt Blefary photos (07.07.2008) in Steve’s Baseball Photos pages. What is a that catcher’s helmet that Jeff Torborg is wearing?
    It looks like a tank driver’s helmet.[/quote]

    Here’s the photo in question:
    http://www.thatsmybo...

    That same catcher’s helmet was also worn by Duke Sims:
    http://espn.go.com/i...

    Anyone know who manufactured that model, or what it was called? Definitely the earliest brimless catcher’s lid I’ve seen. Later versions, made by ABC, didn’t have the ribbing:
    http://www.metscolle...
    Funny, that Ron Hodges card from ’77 was the first image that popped into my mind when someone mentioned the brimless catcher’s helmet.

  • Kek | July 9, 2008 at 9:46 am |

    [quote comment=”279009″][quote comment=”279000″][quote comment=”278995″]Check the Curt Blefary photos (07.07.2008) in Steve’s Baseball Photos pages. What is a that catcher’s helmet that Jeff Torborg is wearing?
    It looks like a tank driver’s helmet.[/quote]

    Here’s the photo in question:
    http://www.thatsmybo...

    That same catcher’s helmet was also worn by Duke Sims:
    http://espn.go.com/i...

    Anyone know who manufactured that model, or what it was called? Definitely the earliest brimless catcher’s lid I’ve seen. Later versions, made by ABC, didn’t have the ribbing:
    http://www.metscolle...

    I worked at Morrie Mages Sports in the ’70s and we sold those. I think they were manufactured by Rawlings. They weren’t full crown helmets, but had straps in the front that attached to the mask. Ed Herrmann also wore one with the White Sox.[/quote]
    I think I wore something like that in little league, the mask was attached to it though through straps that were thread through the earholes of the helmet if I remember correctly.

  • Nicole | July 9, 2008 at 10:06 am |

    Was at the Brewers game last night (yay CC) and watched the guys chalking up the heart/hart and just knew that Paul would hate it.

    In addition, it’s quite entertaining to watch 4 or 5 grown men use paper cups and vats of colored chalk to create a heart on a major league diamond. Wonder if they realized how silly they look.

  • U.A. | July 9, 2008 at 10:12 am |

    [quote comment=”278997″]Glenn Hubbard wore a face guard for a while with the A’s around 88-89.
    quote]

    he sure did:
    http://www.baseballc...

  • LI Phil | July 9, 2008 at 10:13 am |

    [quote comment=”279013″]it’s quite entertaining to watch 4 or 5 grown men use paper cups and vats of colored chalk to create a heart on a major league diamond. Wonder if they realized how silly they look.[/quote]

    hey! that’s how i proposed to my ex-wife, way back in 92…only it was on our high school stadium field

    *sniff*

    /looking back, of course, i guess it was the biggest mistake of my entire fucking life silly afterall

  • Paul Lukas | July 9, 2008 at 10:14 am |

    [quote comment=”279013″]Was at the Brewers game last night (yay CC) and watched the guys chalking up the heart/hart and just knew that Paul would hate it.[/quote]

    Judging strictly by anecdotal evidence, I think it’s a fair bet that Nicole Haase attends sporting events with more regularity than any Uni Watch reader (and certainly WAY more than I do). My hat’s off to her!

    Can’t believe nobody’s picked up on my Joseph Cooper reference yet….

  • Marty Met | July 9, 2008 at 10:15 am |

    [quote comment=\”278996\”]The \”U\” will be on the field when U of M plays at Dolphins stadium but only after the Marlins\’ season concludes. So, they will have 2 football teams and baseball team all playing at the same place. Has that been done before? Chargers, Aztecs, Padres at Jack Murphy?

    http://www.orlandose...

    Rogers Centre in Toronto is home to the Blue Jays, Argos, and the Buffalo Bills

  • u2-horn | July 9, 2008 at 10:15 am |

    Yeah, we had catcher’s helmet/masks like that when I played youth baseball in the late 70s/early 80s.

  • John T | July 9, 2008 at 10:16 am |

    Irish Olympics outfits debuted yesterday

    http://www.olympicsp...

    http://www.olympicsp...

    details here
    http://www.olympicsp...

    These could be the most bland outfits ever worn!!

  • Marty Met | July 9, 2008 at 10:19 am |

    Does Joesph Cooper still sell marshmellows?

  • Paul Lukas | July 9, 2008 at 10:21 am |

    [quote comment=”279020″]Does Joesph Cooper still sell marshmellows?[/quote]

    Give that man a cigar (as long as it isn’t one of mine).

  • Un-Original Jim | July 9, 2008 at 10:23 am |

    [quote comment=”279016] Can’t believe nobody’s picked up on my Joseph Cooper reference yet….[/quote]

    I know that I’d wear a face mask if I ever had to dig into an MLB batters box and “Face the Music”.

  • Brad | July 9, 2008 at 10:32 am |

    [quote comment=”279013″]Was at the Brewers game last night (yay CC) and watched the guys chalking up the heart/hart and just knew that Paul would hate it.

    In addition, it’s quite entertaining to watch 4 or 5 grown men use paper cups and vats of colored chalk to create a heart on a major league diamond. Wonder if they realized how silly they look.[/quote]

    I was also there and found it equally amusing.

    But unlike holier-than-thou Paul I had no problems with it. It’s not like it’s a company paying to advertise or anything. And the promotion must be working as Hart is #1 in the vote. The Brewers’ promotion department does a great job all year round, probably better than any other team.

  • DarkAudit | July 9, 2008 at 10:38 am |

    [quote comment=”279010″]The “U” will be on the field when U of M plays at Dolphins stadium but only after the Marlins’ season concludes.

    Also the Steelers and Panthers efforts to switch the painting on the field at Heinz Field was an absolute disaster. [/quote]

    I guess that explains “PITTSBURGH” in one end zone and the simple stripes in the other, and the NFL logos on the sidelines instead of on the field.

  • jesse | July 9, 2008 at 10:44 am |

    [quote comment=”279024″][quote comment=”279010″]The “U” will be on the field when U of M plays at Dolphins stadium but only after the Marlins’ season concludes.

    Also the Steelers and Panthers efforts to switch the painting on the field at Heinz Field was an absolute disaster. [/quote]

    I guess that explains “PITTSBURGH” in one end zone and the simple stripes in the other, and the NFL logos on the sidelines instead of on the field.[/quote]

    [quote comment=\”279024\”][quote comment=\”279010\”]The “U” will be on the field when U of M plays at Dolphins stadium but only after the Marlins’ season concludes.

    Also the Steelers and Panthers efforts to switch the painting on the field at Heinz Field was an absolute disaster. [/quote]

    I guess that explains \”PITTSBURGH\” in one end zone and the simple stripes in the other, and the NFL logos on the sidelines instead of on the field.[/quote]
    [quote comment=\”279024\”][quote comment=\”279010\”]The “U” will be on the field when U of M plays at Dolphins stadium but only after the Marlins’ season concludes.

    Also the Steelers and Panthers efforts to switch the painting on the field at Heinz Field was an absolute disaster. [/quote]

    I guess that explains \”PITTSBURGH\” in one end zone and the simple stripes in the other, and the NFL logos on the sidelines instead of on the field.[/quote]

    Correct.

    Two football teams playing ona grass field has not worked out well at all. It will be interesting to see how the Dolphins deal with similar troubles like two games on a rainy weekend and marching bands. I\’m guessing they don\’t have the problem with the High School football games though.

  • Ricko | July 9, 2008 at 10:45 am |

    Well, shoot, one of the “themes” I was gonna do for an email to Paul was “Dave Parker’s Facemasks.” Now wish I had. There was a third, a basic two-bar late 60s style. As soon as I get home (no softball tonight; broke little bone in first knuckle of first finger of right hand, LOL), I’ll scan photo and send.

    And, yeah, what’s wrong with Brownie? Not good to dump on a logo just cuz it’s old. Part of judging logos is to judge them in the context of their time. I’m sure we’ve all seen the under-used first Cowboys’ non-uni logo (football player on horseback. By today’s standards it’s probably kinda dumb, but it really was one of best of its kind.

    This isnt’a very good scan, and the logo looks better in b&w (or royal and white) when the horse isn’t colored in.

    http://www.sportslog...

  • Paul Lukas | July 9, 2008 at 10:47 am |

    [quote comment=”279023″][quote comment=”279013″]Was at the Brewers game last night (yay CC) and watched the guys chalking up the heart/hart and just knew that Paul would hate it.

    In addition, it’s quite entertaining to watch 4 or 5 grown men use paper cups and vats of colored chalk to create a heart on a major league diamond. Wonder if they realized how silly they look.[/quote]

    I was also there and found it equally amusing.

    But unlike holier-than-thou Paul I had no problems with it. It’s not like it’s a company paying to advertise or anything.[/quote]

    I didn’t say they were selling out to corporate advertising (although that would certainly be worse); I simply said advertising FOR ANYTHING, BY ANYONE, has no place on the field of play. And it doesn’t.

    Just because I want to preserve a tiny sliver of ad-free space in our increasing ad-infested world, that doesn’t make me “holier than thou” (which is a standard meaningless sound bite that people toss out when they can’t actually refute an argument on the merits) — it’s just something I believe in. If you disagree, go ahead an argue the point instead of trying to insult my character.

  • LI Phil | July 9, 2008 at 10:49 am |

    [quote]unlike holier-than-thou Paul I had no problems with it.[/quote]

    at least paul is consistent in bitching about shit he doesn’t like

    call him holier-than-thou when bashing attacking the swoosh, but i think he’s been pretty fair in bemoaning any on-field ‘stuff’ (whether it’s adverts, team websites, vote for me, spidey2…etc.)

  • LI Phil | July 9, 2008 at 10:50 am |

    damn, paul already beat me to it

  • Johnny O | July 9, 2008 at 10:55 am |

    [quote comment=”279016″][quote comment=”279013″]Was at the Brewers game last night (yay CC) and watched the guys chalking up the heart/hart and just knew that Paul would hate it.[/quote]

    Judging strictly by anecdotal evidence, I think it’s a fair bet that Nicole Haase attends sporting events with more regularity than any Uni Watch reader (and certainly WAY more than I do). My hat’s off to her!

    Can’t believe nobody’s picked up on my Joseph Cooper reference yet….[/quote]

    There is just something about us Wisconsin sports fans that love being at the game and feel like they are involved. I don’t want to speak for Nicole, but as a fellow Cheese Head, that is how I feel. If I lived in Milwaukee, and not 1.5 hours away I would have season tickets for the Brewers for sure. These is just something about being at Lambeau, Miller Park, Camp Randall, or the Kohl Center that just gives off some sort of aura. It really is intoxicating, and I can’t explain it. All non-Wisconsin people must go to a Badger Football game, Packer game, and Brewers game at their home venues to truly appreciate it.

    And if you want to do it right, you must… MUST tailgate before. There is nothing like it

    ON WISCONSIN!

  • Ricko | July 9, 2008 at 10:55 am |

    http://www.sportslog...

    Hmm, Creamer says this logo used from ’66-’69.
    Maybe so, but also was first logo they ever used (letterhead, for magazine, etc.). Was plain royal and white. Remember thinking would look okay on helmet (the “Pat Patriot” school) and was surprised to see just the star when first unis were revealed.

  • Beardface | July 9, 2008 at 10:56 am |

    Has it been discussed or explained before why the drug store Walgreens and the Washington Nationals have the same logo?

    Walgreens: http://allpharmacyjo...
    Nats: http://www.capitate....

  • Jet | July 9, 2008 at 10:59 am |

    [quote comment=”279032″]Has it been discussed or explained before why the drug store Walgreens and the Washington Nationals have the same logo?

    [/quote]

    Perhaps they identify with the old Washington Senators slogan: First in War, First in Peace, Last in the American League…

    -Jet

  • Adam | July 9, 2008 at 11:00 am |

    Interesting debate raging in Cincinnati about the Reds new Camo unis. Bottom line: are camo unis an insult to the troops…

    http://news.cincinna...

  • Adam | July 9, 2008 at 11:01 am |

    Click on the “Daugherty” tab for the uni camo story

    http://news.cincinna...

  • Ricko | July 9, 2008 at 11:09 am |

    [quote comment=”279023″][quote comment=”279013″]Was at the Brewers game last night (yay CC) and watched the guys chalking up the heart/hart and just knew that Paul would hate it.

    In addition, it’s quite entertaining to watch 4 or 5 grown men use paper cups and vats of colored chalk to create a heart on a major league diamond. Wonder if they realized how silly they look.[/quote]

    I was also there and found it equally amusing.

    But unlike holier-than-thou Paul I had no problems with it. It’s not like it’s a company paying to advertise or anything. And the promotion must be working as Hart is #1 in the vote. The Brewers’ promotion department does a great job all year round, probably better than any other team.[/quote]

    “Must-put-more-crap-on-unis-on-field-on-mound-change-gametimes-

    to-7:11-no-space-should-be-left-blank-if-can-be-used-to-send-message”

    Ah, the basics of car dealer thinking.

    As a longtime ad agency creative, for me this is like listening to those frickin’ clients who think white space in an ad is horrible. “I’m paying for that column inch, I want to SELL something with it.”

    Yeah, right.

    And now, Mr. or Ms. Client, if possible let’s see if you can grasp the concept of “tacky.”

    (Not to mention that if Waldo had a little empty space around him he’d get noticed a helluva lot easier. Think about it).

  • GoTerriers | July 9, 2008 at 11:11 am |

    [quote comment=”279030″]There is just something about us Wisconsin sports fans that love being at the game and feel like they are involved. I don’t want to speak for Nicole, but as a fellow Cheese Head, that is how I feel. If I lived in Milwaukee, and not 1.5 hours away I would have season tickets for the Brewers for sure. These is just something about being at Lambeau, Miller Park, Camp Randall, or the Kohl Center that just gives off some sort of aura. It really is intoxicating, and I can’t explain it. All non-Wisconsin people must go to a Badger Football game, Packer game, and Brewers game at their home venues to truly appreciate it.

    And if you want to do it right, you must… MUST tailgate before. There is nothing like it

    ON WISCONSIN![/quote]
    Wisconsin fans are AWESOME. When I was in college, BU played Minnesota in the hockey Frozen Four at the Bradley Center. Naturaly there were TONS of Gopher fans who made the trek, tons of Badger fans and not too many BU Terrier faithful. In order to get the crown on our side, the BU Band played both “On Wisconsin” and “The Budweiser Song”. I lost count of the number of people that came over to stand near the band and cheer because of it. (Though it’s possible that they were really cheering AGAINST Minnesota and not so much FOR BU) . . .

    Okay . . enough band geek reminiscing . .

  • Ricko | July 9, 2008 at 11:11 am |

    [quote comment=”279032″]Has it been discussed or explained before why the drug store Walgreens and the Washington Nationals have the same logo?

    Walgreens: http://allpharmacyjo...
    Nats:

    http://www.capitate....

    Kinda like a few years back Western Airlines spent a couple million bucks designing a new logo and ended up with basically the same thing that was on every Winnebago motorhome ever made.

  • Michael Emody | July 9, 2008 at 11:13 am |

    Ok, I thought I’d give Ricko a few days to bask in his new found notoriety before making my case for grey Sox uniforms in both 69 and 70. First point – using Topps baseball cards as the final word on uniform colors is just plain crazy. Accurate? Here’s a simple comparison:
    Did the 1962 Indians wear navy blue caps and sleeves –
    http://i213.photobuc...
    or did they wear black?
    http://i213.photobuc...
    Well, gee… the helmet and sleeves in the second picture sure look black – couldn’t possibly be that Topps didn’t give a shit about how the color looked. I mean, how many KIDS are going to point that out? Or maybe the camera recorded it as black and the photographer was too rushed to care.
    Even something minor like the sun going behind a cloud can cause the camera to record an image in a way that human eyes would see differently.
    So, is this uniform powder blue?
    http://i213.photobuc...
    Well, yeah, it is in the picture. But was the uniform actually powder blue?
    http://www.thatsmybo...
    Of course not. There’s the same MLB patch, worn only in 69. Whaaaa? Um… but… my baseball cards! You mean I can’t trust their impeccable photography and rest assured in the wonder of mass production? (Not to mention what a stick of gum does to them.) Nooooo! They must have had an alternate set! Right?
    Now for the hats and sleeves: whatever we call the blue – let’s say “Royal” – it’s lighter than Navy in both 69 and 70. And the same color for both years.
    69:
    http://i213.photobuc...
    70:
    http://i213.photobuc...
    Wait a minute! Those hats look kinda dark – are they navy? Nope.
    69:
    http://i213.photobuc...
    70:
    http://i213.photobuc...
    Now, for an accurate photographic representation of the road uni’s:
    69:
    http://www.thatsmybo...
    70:
    http://i213.photobuc...
    Nice, eh? And as grey as your hair might be, on “topps” of your head – that is, if you were in this crowd:
    http://www.thatsmybo...
    which was in 1968.

    I’ll say it again: there are NO powder blue 69 White Sox road uni’s. They only exist on baseball cards. Some people think the color on the cards is correct. I’m convinced it’s wrong.

    Hey JExcel – hope you sleep well tonight, now that I’ve dismissed the horrible tales of powder blue coming from the dark north woods. So your 69 M&N – I’m sure the front is great, but did they get the back right? Should look like this:
    http://i213.photobuc...

  • LI Phil | July 9, 2008 at 11:13 am |

    [quote comment=”279032″]Has it been discussed or explained before why the drug store Walgreens and the Washington Nationals have the same logo?

    Walgreens: http://allpharmacyjo...
    Nats:

    http://www.capitate....

    has anyone ever tried to copy the wisconsin logo?

  • Stuby | July 9, 2008 at 11:14 am |

    [quote comment=”279037″][quote comment=”279030″]There is just something about us Wisconsin sports fans that love being at the game and feel like they are involved. I don’t want to speak for Nicole, but as a fellow Cheese Head, that is how I feel. If I lived in Milwaukee, and not 1.5 hours away I would have season tickets for the Brewers for sure. These is just something about being at Lambeau, Miller Park, Camp Randall, or the Kohl Center that just gives off some sort of aura. It really is intoxicating, and I can’t explain it. All non-Wisconsin people must go to a Badger Football game, Packer game, and Brewers game at their home venues to truly appreciate it.

    And if you want to do it right, you must… MUST tailgate before. There is nothing like it

    ON WISCONSIN![/quote]
    Wisconsin fans are AWESOME. When I was in college, BU played Minnesota in the hockey Frozen Four at the Bradley Center. Naturaly there were TONS of Gopher fans who made the trek, tons of Badger fans and not too many BU Terrier faithful. In order to get the crown on our side, the BU Band played both “On Wisconsin” and “The Budweiser Song”. I lost count of the number of people that came over to stand near the band and cheer because of it. (Though it’s possible that they were really cheering AGAINST Minnesota and not so much FOR BU) . . .

    Okay . . enough band geek reminiscing . .[/quote]
    I’m not sure how playing “The Budweiser Song” would get Wisconsin fans on your side. Seems like it might get you run out of the state.

  • GoTerriers | July 9, 2008 at 11:17 am |

    [quote comment=”279041″][quote comment=”279037″][quote comment=”279030″]There is just something about us Wisconsin sports fans that love being at the game and feel like they are involved. I don’t want to speak for Nicole, but as a fellow Cheese Head, that is how I feel. If I lived in Milwaukee, and not 1.5 hours away I would have season tickets for the Brewers for sure. These is just something about being at Lambeau, Miller Park, Camp Randall, or the Kohl Center that just gives off some sort of aura. It really is intoxicating, and I can’t explain it. All non-Wisconsin people must go to a Badger Football game, Packer game, and Brewers game at their home venues to truly appreciate it.

    And if you want to do it right, you must… MUST tailgate before. There is nothing like it

    ON WISCONSIN![/quote]
    Wisconsin fans are AWESOME. When I was in college, BU played Minnesota in the hockey Frozen Four at the Bradley Center. Naturaly there were TONS of Gopher fans who made the trek, tons of Badger fans and not too many BU Terrier faithful. In order to get the crown on our side, the BU Band played both “On Wisconsin” and “The Budweiser Song”. I lost count of the number of people that came over to stand near the band and cheer because of it. (Though it’s possible that they were really cheering AGAINST Minnesota and not so much FOR BU) . . .

    Okay . . enough band geek reminiscing . .[/quote]
    I’m not sure how playing “The Budweiser Song” would get Wisconsin fans on your side. Seems like it might get you run out of the state.[/quote]
    “When You’ve Said Budweiser, you’ve said it all”

    Change the “Budweiser” to “WISCONSIN” and your made a friend of a Badger fan for life.

  • Ricko | July 9, 2008 at 11:18 am |

    [quote comment=”279032″]Has it been discussed or explained before why the drug store Walgreens and the Washington Nationals have the same logo?

    Walgreens: http://allpharmacyjo...
    Nats:

    http://www.capitate....

    How long has that been the Walgreens logo? Cuz also is Senators logo from 60s and early 70s. If sometime after team moved to Texas Walgreens sort of appropriated the “W” (and used in a different context) and Rangers (if they still owned the tradmark–if had ever been protected in the first place) didn’t contest the use of it…then they have, I think, let it slip into the public domain, especially now, after thirty years since been in Washington.

    Where’s are trademark attorney guy to clear this up?

  • MPowers1634 | July 9, 2008 at 11:19 am |

    [quote comment=”279030″][quote comment=”279016″][quote comment=”279013″]Was at the Brewers game last night (yay CC) and watched the guys chalking up the heart/hart and just knew that Paul would hate it.[/quote]

    Judging strictly by anecdotal evidence, I think it’s a fair bet that Nicole Haase attends sporting events with more regularity than any Uni Watch reader (and certainly WAY more than I do). My hat’s off to her!

    Can’t believe nobody’s picked up on my Joseph Cooper reference yet….[/quote]

    There is just something about us Wisconsin sports fans that love being at the game and feel like they are involved. I don’t want to speak for Nicole, but as a fellow Cheese Head, that is how I feel. If I lived in Milwaukee, and not 1.5 hours away I would have season tickets for the Brewers for sure. These is just something about being at Lambeau, Miller Park, Camp Randall, or the Kohl Center that just gives off some sort of aura. It really is intoxicating, and I can’t explain it. All non-Wisconsin people must go to a Badger Football game, Packer game, and Brewers game at their home venues to truly appreciate it.

    And if you want to do it right, you must… MUST tailgate before. There is nothing like it

    ON WISCONSIN![/quote]

    Something Intoxicating…Milwaukee…Hmmmm?

    And I found this interesting that on the same day. we are discussing protective attachments on batting helmets and the Jets oft-forgotten logo…

    In women’s softball, one brand has named their helmet extensions…the Gameface, same as the Jets logo!!!

    Wow

  • Ricko | July 9, 2008 at 11:21 am |

    Where’s OUR trademark attorney guy to clear this up?[/quote]

    (self-edited cuz I’m a knob)

  • MPowers1634 | July 9, 2008 at 11:21 am |

    [quote comment=”279032″]Has it been discussed or explained before why the drug store Walgreens and the Washington Nationals have the same logo?

    Walgreens: http://allpharmacyjo...
    Nats:

    http://www.capitate....

    In this era of steroids and performance enhancing drugs and their tainting of the game, that is just too strange of a coincidence!

    Or Walgreens is their sponsor, since so many of the Nats often shop there!!!

  • Beardface | July 9, 2008 at 11:28 am |

    [quote comment=”279043″][quote comment=”279032″]Has it been discussed or explained before why the drug store Walgreens and the Washington Nationals have the same logo?

    Walgreens: http://allpharmacyjo...
    Nats:

    http://www.capitate....

    How long has that been the Walgreens logo? Cuz also is Senators logo from 60s and early 70s. If sometime after team moved to Texas Walgreens sort of appropriated the “W” (and used in a different context) and Rangers (if they still owned the tradmark–if had ever been protected in the first place) didn’t contest the use of it…then they have, I think, let it slip into the public domain, especially now, after thirty years since been in Washington.

    Where’s are trademark attorney guy to clear this up?[/quote]
    Honestly, I have no idea, thats why I asked… I just recently saw a Walgreen’s ad on a website only using the ‘W’ logo without anything behind it and thought it was the Nationals advertising down here in NC…

    Very interesting

  • Johnny O | July 9, 2008 at 11:29 am |

    [quote comment=”279042″][quote comment=”279041″][quote comment=”279037″][quote comment=”279030″]There is just something about us Wisconsin sports fans that love being at the game and feel like they are involved. I don’t want to speak for Nicole, but as a fellow Cheese Head, that is how I feel. If I lived in Milwaukee, and not 1.5 hours away I would have season tickets for the Brewers for sure. These is just something about being at Lambeau, Miller Park, Camp Randall, or the Kohl Center that just gives off some sort of aura. It really is intoxicating, and I can’t explain it. All non-Wisconsin people must go to a Badger Football game, Packer game, and Brewers game at their home venues to truly appreciate it.

    And if you want to do it right, you must… MUST tailgate before. There is nothing like it

    ON WISCONSIN![/quote]
    Wisconsin fans are AWESOME. When I was in college, BU played Minnesota in the hockey Frozen Four at the Bradley Center. Naturaly there were TONS of Gopher fans who made the trek, tons of Badger fans and not too many BU Terrier faithful. In order to get the crown on our side, the BU Band played both “On Wisconsin” and “The Budweiser Song”. I lost count of the number of people that came over to stand near the band and cheer because of it. (Though it’s possible that they were really cheering AGAINST Minnesota and not so much FOR BU) . . .

    Okay . . enough band geek reminiscing . .[/quote]
    I’m not sure how playing “The Budweiser Song” would get Wisconsin fans on your side. Seems like it might get you run out of the state.[/quote]
    “When You’ve Said Budweiser, you’ve said it all”

    Change the “Budweiser” to “WISCONSIN” and your made a friend of a Badger fan for life.[/quote]

    That is another thing about Wisconsin fans. I have never seen or heard of any other fans that have such organized and regular cheers (Especially at Badger games).

    To make this uni related. I heard a crazy rumor the the Brew Crew are thinking of having another retro design… this time the Barrel Man logo back from the early 70’s. This may be combined with the Crew who just had a Barrel Man bobble head giveaway on Sunday. Any one hear if there is any truth to this… or just a crazy rumor???

  • Ricko | July 9, 2008 at 11:29 am |

    Something that is a real consideration regarding some sports team logos.

    Know why, for example, the little “Fighting Saints” guy or the “Ahaheim Amigos” hat 7 basketball or the Houston Gamblers “G” (and plenty of others) instantly become fair game once the team isn’t around anymore?

    Because if someone were to step forward and claim ownership they would have claims filed against them by every left-holding-the-bag creditor the franchise had.

    Better to walk away and leave the logo to whomever.

  • Dave | July 9, 2008 at 11:30 am |

    anyone know anything about randy johnson wearing different uni numbers? i know he wore 51 and 41 but i found this and it appears he wore something in the 30’s

    goofy randy

    i personally think he could give trya banks a run for her money.

  • Mark W | July 9, 2008 at 11:34 am |

    100% of the proceeds might be true – but how do you define proceeds? The Cost of the $25 hat? I guarantee that MLB is not giving $25/hat to anyone. More likely, the hat costs $11 to manufacture, $4 to design, $5 to distribute, and $4.90 to market – leaving “proceeds” of $0.10 per hat – 100% of that dime goes to the charity.

  • Rick | July 9, 2008 at 11:35 am |

    RE: Has it been discussed or explained before why the drug store Walgreens and the Washington Nationals have the same logo?

    –Or have you noticed that their other font is a rip off of the Fudruckers font?

  • Ricko | July 9, 2008 at 11:36 am |

    I don’t know that barrel-head guy has never been part of Brewers unis. At least not the major league Brewers. Maybe in minor league days.

  • Stuby | July 9, 2008 at 11:38 am |

    [quote comment=”279050″]anyone know anything about randy johnson wearing different uni numbers? i know he wore 51 and 41 but i found this and it appears he wore something in the 30’s

    goofy randy

    i personally think he could give trya banks a run for her money.[/quote]
    According to Baseball Almanac, he wore #34 for part of the ’93 season. I have no idea why, though.

    http://www.baseball-...

    Can’t remember what # he wore at Livermore High School, just that he was really, really tall.

  • Ricko | July 9, 2008 at 11:45 am |

    Oh, wow, thinking about old logos, I just realized something. When I drew the World Team Tennis Minnesota Buckskins logo back in ’73 it may have been the first intentionally uni-sexual, non-gender specific logo ever.

    Because teams had both men and women, I made of point of drawing a little character that could be seen as either male or female (good thing men’s hair wore their longer then).

    Not patting myself on the back, honest. Largely is cuz was first co-ed league, but I just never realized it til I started thinking about logos “in the context of their time.”

    To be honest, I drew the image. My dad did the lettering. By hand. He was a helluva craftsman (commercial artist, by trade).

    http://www.logoserve...

  • LI Phil | July 9, 2008 at 11:46 am |

    [quote comment=”279054″][quote comment=”279050″]anyone know anything about randy johnson wearing different uni numbers? i know he wore 51 and 41 but i found this and it appears he wore something in the 30’s

    goofy randy

    i personally think he could give trya banks a run for her money.[/quote]
    According to Baseball Almanac, he wore #34 for part of the ’93 season. I have no idea why, though.

    http://www.baseball-...

    Can’t remember what # he wore at Livermore High School, just that he was really, really tall.[/quote]

    im pretty sure that card had been discussed at length, several times, on past UW threads (i wanna say w/in the past 2 months)…you can check out the dialog by using the search function at the top of the page

  • Paul Lukas | July 9, 2008 at 11:46 am |

    [quote comment=”279050″]anyone know anything about randy johnson wearing different uni numbers? i know he wore 51 and 41 but i found this and it appears he wore something in the 30’s

    goofy randy

    i personally think he could give trya banks a run for her money.[/quote]

    One-game thing that he did as a tribute to Nolan Ryan.

  • Gabe | July 9, 2008 at 11:47 am |

    Don’t know if this was covered or not but yesterdays Page 2 on ESPN.com ran a great uni-related link.

    http://straightcashh...

  • Leo | July 9, 2008 at 11:48 am |

    [quote comment=”279051″]100% of the proceeds might be true – but how do you define proceeds? The Cost of the $25 hat? I guarantee that MLB is not giving $25/hat to anyone. More likely, the hat costs $11 to manufacture, $4 to design, $5 to distribute, and $4.90 to market – leaving “proceeds” of $0.10 per hat – 100% of that dime goes to the charity.[/quote]

    That sounds about right… as long as MLB gets some sort of tax rebate on that dime.

  • brian | July 9, 2008 at 11:51 am |

    i was also at the brewers game last night, and thought the hart thing was pretty tacky/unnecessary. i was lifelong east coaster until i moved here last summer, and i must say that the miller park brewers experience is 6000 times more enjoyable than any time i’ve spent at yankee/shea stadium.

  • Paul Lukas | July 9, 2008 at 11:52 am |

    [quote comment=”279056″]you can check out the dialog by using the search function at the top of the page[/quote]

    Site-search function is on the fucking blink again. Trouble just started yesterday. I am (read: Ek is) investigating.

  • Robert | July 9, 2008 at 11:54 am |

    [quote comment=”279031″]http://www.sportslogos.net/logo.php?id=4ufsse3hs0asbhi714ht

    Hmm, Creamer says this logo used from ’66-’69.
    Maybe so, but also was first logo they ever used (letterhead, for magazine, etc.). Was plain royal and white. Remember thinking would look okay on helmet (the “Pat Patriot” school) and was surprised to see just the star when first unis were revealed.[/quote]

    I used to have one of those little plastic footballs with that Cowboys logo on it. Some crazy aunt bought it for me when I was a very little kid.

  • BCrisp | July 9, 2008 at 11:57 am |

    I know the search function is down, but I know I’ve sent in that same picutre of the Houston Buffaloes wearing those shorts before. There was even an entry on it. If I could search, I’d look for it.

  • Johnny O | July 9, 2008 at 12:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”279053″]I don’t know that barrel-head guy has never been part of Brewers unis. At least not the major league Brewers. Maybe in minor league days.[/quote]

    Right, I knew that didn’t have the Barrel Man logo present on their uni, but to clarify, I was just referring to that era of uni’s (Right when they came from Seattle 1970-1974 era)

    Anyone else hear the rumor?

  • wrecking_ball | July 9, 2008 at 12:06 pm |

    Lots of Wisconsin love today, so I’ve got to give way belated props to Jim McMahon’s stunt. Anything to piss off the cheeseheads/gravy-bloods for the rest of us dealing with Bretty’s saga.

  • BCrisp | July 9, 2008 at 12:07 pm |

    Check out page 78 of this book: A Stitch in Time: A Baseball Chronology By Gene Elston saying that the Houston Buffs debuted shorts in 1949.
    Link

  • Freddie Pickles | July 9, 2008 at 12:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”278979″]All very nice, what with “a portion of the proceeds” going to charity. Still waiting to hear what the portion is and what portion, if any, MLB is pocketing.

    Radio banter on the Phillies broadcast last weekend (and I don’t have the exact day), the announcer said that %100 of the proceeds from the sale of the hats go to the charity. Don’t know if he was just riffing or if he really knew what he was talking about.[/quote]

    I was watching the Phils on Sunday and heard the announcer say 100% was going to the charity. I will admit when I first heard I thought MLB decided to give all the proceeds up, but I realized that even though I love Harry Kalas and Wheels, and even Sarge (Gary Matthews),I think they are talking shit most of the game and don’t really know what they are saying.
    P.S. this was before the hours-long rain delay when they would have been knocking a few back, after which they really were just making things up.

  • James Craven | July 9, 2008 at 12:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”278998″]“The Vikings, Twins, and U of M play on the Metrodome every year.”[/quote]

    Also the Phillies, Eagles and Temple University at the late, not-so-great Vereans Stadium in Philadelphia and in 2000, the Pirates, the Steelers and Pitt football at late, not-so-greater Three Rivers Stadium on the confluence of the Allegheney, Monhongoneila and Ohio Rivers….

  • James Craven | July 9, 2008 at 12:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”279003″]“Going WAY back for another one…when Dodgers first moved to LA, they shared Coliseum with USC and UCLA football teams (Bruins didn’t move to Rose Bowl til years later.)”[/quote]

    You forgopt the Los Angeles Rams and (for one year) the Chargers.

  • LI Phil | July 9, 2008 at 12:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”279061″][quote comment=”279056″]you can check out the dialog by using the search function at the top of the page[/quote]

    Site-search function is on the fucking blink again. Trouble just started yesterday. I am (read: Ek is) investigating.[/quote]

    my bad…sorry for the miscommuniqué

    that search function is absolutely fucking essential for UW, so i hope you mr. ekdahl gets it fixed

  • Mr. Met | July 9, 2008 at 12:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”279068″]I’m currently in the market for any and all photos that show Mets players wearing white cleats in an All-Star Game, especially during the Davey Johnson era. If anyone has Mets yearbooks from that era (no, I don’t have any myself — all my yearbooks are from the ’70s), could you see if the All-Star coverage includes any photos showing white-shod Mets? Thanks.[/quote]

    Don’t know if this is helpful, but I have a copy of the 1983 Mets Yearbook and there’s a picture in it of Danny Heep taking batting practice wearing white cleats. Looks like they were the pair that he used when he played for the Astros. Other than that, though, there’s no pix of Mets wearing white cleats in All-Star games. Keep in mind, though, this was the Frank Howard managerial-era of the club and not the Davey Johnson era.

  • Ian K | July 9, 2008 at 12:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”279048″]
    That is another thing about Wisconsin fans. I have never seen or heard of any other fans that have such organized and regular cheers (Especially at Badger games).

    [/quote]

    It’s hard to crown one school #1, but I think Texas A&M would give Wisconsin a run for their money in the category of organized and regular cheers.

    I like how Wisconsin uses the Bud Song. The camp I worked at in high school/college also had their play on the song, using “staff” instead of “Bud”, etc.

  • Paul Lukas | July 9, 2008 at 12:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”279066″]Check out page 78 of this book: A Stitch in Time: A Baseball Chronology By Gene Elston saying that the Houston Buffs debuted shorts in 1949.
    Link[/quote]

    Yeah, I know, but other books say the Stars were the first, not the Buffs. Lots of conflicting info. Only way to be sure is via original newspaper accounts, and so far I haven’t found one for the Buffs’ shorts debut. Everyone seems to agree that the Stars’ shorts debuted on 4/1/50, however.

  • Paul Lukas | July 9, 2008 at 12:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”279071″][quote comment=”279068″]I’m currently in the market for any and all photos that show Mets players wearing white cleats in an All-Star Game, especially during the Davey Johnson era. If anyone has Mets yearbooks from that era (no, I don’t have any myself — all my yearbooks are from the ’70s), could you see if the All-Star coverage includes any photos showing white-shod Mets? Thanks.[/quote]

    Don’t know if this is helpful, but I have a copy of the 1983 Mets Yearbook and there’s a picture in it of Danny Heep taking batting practice wearing white cleats. Looks like they were the pair that he used when he played for the Astros.[/quote]

    Not helpful for the all-star research project, but interesting nonetheless. Could you scan and send (or post)?

  • PaulR | July 9, 2008 at 12:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”279051″]100% of the proceeds might be true – but how do you define proceeds? The Cost of the $25 hat? I guarantee that MLB is not giving $25/hat to anyone. More likely, the hat costs $11 to manufacture, $4 to design, $5 to distribute, and $4.90 to market – leaving “proceeds” of $0.10 per hat – 100% of that dime goes to the charity.[/quote]

    What I found interesting is that the regular NewEra onfield caps sell for $31.99, and the stars and stripes model sells for $34.99. Could it be that they are giving the extra $3 to the vets and keeping the rest just like a normal hat sale?

  • James Craven | July 9, 2008 at 12:40 pm |

    I went back to the June 30th page for you all. Let’s read along what was written by yours truly verbatim from the USA TODAY story on the Page 3.0 under the title “Web Watch”, shall we?

    Hey, I might as well give to you word for word. (That joke always works.)

    [quote]“In answer to a question raised by Paul Lukas, editor of the popular UniWatch Blog, all proceeds from Major League Baseball’s ‘Stars and Stripes’ Caps will go to the chairty Welcome Back Veterans.

    “This was confirmed by Matt Bourne, MLB’s vice president of business public relations last Thursday [6/26/08] – two days after a question from Mr. Lukas that seemed like a brushback pitch to the assembled MLB officials.”[/quote]

    So not to assume antything unless I’m wrong (and we all know what happens when we all assume something,) if a cap costs say $20 to make, and MLB waives all licensing fees from New Era, while that cap costs $36, than the net proceeds of $16 goes to Welcome Back Veterans. Would I be right?

  • Don | July 9, 2008 at 12:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”278992″]The Challenger space crash happened before SB XX. In fact, the funeral service was the morning of the game.[/quote]

    I believe you are slightly incorrect. The Super Bowl was played on 1/26/86 and the Challenger explosion occurred on 1/28/86. Maybe you remember the freeing of the Iran Hostages on the morning of Super Bowl XV (big yellow ribbon around the Superdome that day).

  • James Craven | July 9, 2008 at 12:51 pm |

    Referal to Post #90.

    In 1960, the Dodgers, UCLA, the University of Southern California, the Rams and the Chargers all played at the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum.

    Progression of egress as follows:

    * 1961 – Chargers bolt (pun intended) for San Diego.

    * 1962 – Dodgers Stadium opens in Chavez Ravine.

    * 1980 – Rams move out for Anaheim (and eventually, St. Louis, which is why Los Angelinos were dancing in the streets when Georgia Fontiere kicked the bucket last March.) Also that same year, UCLA leaves and moves to Rose Bowl Stadium in Pasadena.

    There you go.

  • Michael | July 9, 2008 at 12:51 pm |

    During the College World Series I recall a player for LSU wearing a facemask on his batting helmet. It was Leon Landry. What was interesting to me is it looks like this facemask was made to fit on a baseball helmet but wasn’t the big bulk ones you see for little league.

    http://www.2theadvoc...

    http://www.lsusports...

  • David T | July 9, 2008 at 12:52 pm |

    Joe Christensen of the Star Tribune writes this about the Twins wearing their dark blue alts in the Boston heat today. I don’t know why they don’t have the funky armpit jerseys for the grays–maybe because of the pinstripes? Not that it’s stopped other teams from doing it…

    “It’s sweltering on the field. The Twins will be wearing their dark blue uniform tops. Mauer explained it this morning, saying the mesh fabric is more breathable than the grays.”

  • chance | July 9, 2008 at 12:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”279048″]
    To make this uni related. I heard a crazy rumor the the Brew Crew are thinking of having another retro design… this time the Barrel Man logo back from the early 70’s. This may be combined with the Crew who just had a Barrel Man bobble head giveaway on Sunday.

    Any one hear if there is any truth to this… or just a crazy rumor???[/quote]

    I’d love for them to do it, especially if they went all the way and threw back to the 1940s. They’ve done the early 1970s before. But a 1940s throwback? They haven’t done one of those since 1992.

    And, since it was asked, the major league Brewers never wore the Beer Barrel Man on their jerseys. I’ve seen one pic indicating that the American Association club wore him on their jackets, but the running version, not the fielder or batter (which would eventually be adopted by the major league club).

  • MikeR | July 9, 2008 at 1:11 pm |

    Here’s a puzzler: Phil Garner, circa 1977, wearing a Yosemite Sam sleeve patch! Robert DeCorte noticed the photo in the lower-right corner of the Pirates’ 1978 yearbook cover. “I’m assuming it had something to do with Phil’s bushy mustache, since no other Pirate seems to have that patch.” This is a new one to me — anyone know more?

    I think that’s about the extent of it. I believe one of his nicknames back then was “Yosemite Sam,” thanks to his mustache. Kinda cool that they threw that patch on there…

  • Johnny O | July 9, 2008 at 1:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”279082″][quote comment=”279048″]
    To make this uni related. I heard a crazy rumor the the Brew Crew are thinking of having another retro design… this time the Barrel Man logo back from the early 70’s. This may be combined with the Crew who just had a Barrel Man bobble head giveaway on Sunday.

    Any one hear if there is any truth to this… or just a crazy rumor???[/quote]

    I’d love for them to do it, especially if they went all the way and threw back to the 1940s. They’ve done the early 1970s before. But a 1940s throwback? They haven’t done one of those since 1992.

    And, since it was asked, the major league Brewers never wore the Beer Barrel Man on their jerseys. I’ve seen one pic indicating that the American Association club wore him on their jackets, but the running version, not the fielder or batter (which would eventually be adopted by the major league club).[/quote]

    Hey Chance, what game is that the Crew threw back to the early 70’s? It looks like the pic was taken at Miller Park. Do you have a date and/or more photos??

  • Kek | July 9, 2008 at 1:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”279083″]Here’s a puzzler: Phil Garner, circa 1977, wearing a Yosemite Sam sleeve patch! Robert DeCorte noticed the photo in the lower-right corner of the Pirates’ 1978 yearbook cover. “I’m assuming it had something to do with Phil’s bushy mustache, since no other Pirate seems to have that patch.” This is a new one to me — anyone know more?

    I think that’s about the extent of it. I believe one of his nicknames back then was “Yosemite Sam,” thanks to his mustache. Kinda cool that they threw that patch on there…[/quote]
    One year for halloween I wore a Pirates uniform and a fake mustache and was Phil Garner! The odd thing was that I’m pretty sure it was AFTER he was traded to Houston for most notably Johnny Ray (who would later, along with Tony Pena, become two of my favorite Pirates).

    I’ll have to ask Mom to find that photo and scan it for me now!

  • JB | July 9, 2008 at 1:18 pm |

    Interesting read from SportsBusiness daily:

    Omaha-based inventor Gerald Kellogg has sued Nike for patent infringement, saying that the company “stole his design for a cap — one with four mesh-covered vents at the top to allow air flow — and produced it without his permission,” according to Maggie O’Brien of the OMAHA WORLD-HERALD. Kellogg said that he created the cap in ’93 by “cutting makeshift air vents into his old baseball caps,” and then covering the vents with mesh, which “looked cool and allowed air to pass through.” O’Brien reports Kellogg in ’97 was granted a patent by the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office for the idea. He then “pitched the cap design to Nike, Reebok, Fila, Adidas and other major sport firms,” but they all turned him down. However, Kellogg claims the U.S. men’s volleyball team wore Nike-sponsored caps during the ’04 Athens Games “identical to the one he designed.” Kellogg said that cyclist Lance Armstrong and ATP Tour member Roger Federer also have “promoted the cap.” Kellogg: “[Nike] just kind of stole my American dream of going through the process and doing the right thing and getting a patent. They’re coming out with all these hats and selling like crazy, and don’t reimburse me for my design.” Nike denies its cap “infringed on his patent.” U.S. District Judge Joseph Bataillon will hear the trial in September

  • Paul Lukas | July 9, 2008 at 1:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”279086″]Interesting read from SportsBusiness daily:

    Omaha-based inventor Gerald Kellogg has sued Nike for patent infringement, saying that the company “stole his design for a cap — one with four mesh-covered vents at the top to allow air flow — and produced it without his permission,” according to Maggie O’Brien of the OMAHA WORLD-HERALD. Kellogg said that he created the cap in ’93 by “cutting makeshift air vents into his old baseball caps,” and then covering the vents with mesh, which “looked cool and allowed air to pass through.” O’Brien reports Kellogg in ’97 was granted a patent by the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office for the idea. He then “pitched the cap design to Nike, Reebok, Fila, Adidas and other major sport firms,” but they all turned him down. However, Kellogg claims the U.S. men’s volleyball team wore Nike-sponsored caps during the ’04 Athens Games “identical to the one he designed.” Kellogg said that cyclist Lance Armstrong and ATP Tour member Roger Federer also have “promoted the cap.” Kellogg: “[Nike] just kind of stole my American dream of going through the process and doing the right thing and getting a patent. They’re coming out with all these hats and selling like crazy, and don’t reimburse me for my design.” Nike denies its cap “infringed on his patent.” U.S. District Judge Joseph Bataillon will hear the trial in September[/quote]

    Full coverage from Bryan’s paper (but not written by Bryan):
    http://omaha.com/ind...

  • LI Phil | July 9, 2008 at 1:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”279086″]Interesting read from SportsBusiness daily:

    Omaha-based inventor Gerald Kellogg has sued Nike for patent infringement, saying that the company “stole his design for a cap — one with four mesh-covered vents at the top to allow air flow — and produced it without his permission,” according to Maggie O’Brien of the OMAHA WORLD-HERALD. Kellogg said that he created the cap in ’93 by “cutting makeshift air vents into his old baseball caps,” and then covering the vents with mesh, which “looked cool and allowed air to pass through.” O’Brien reports Kellogg in ’97 was granted a patent by the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office for the idea. He then “pitched the cap design to Nike, Reebok, Fila, Adidas and other major sport firms,” but they all turned him down. However, Kellogg claims the U.S. men’s volleyball team wore Nike-sponsored caps during the ’04 Athens Games “identical to the one he designed.” Kellogg said that cyclist Lance Armstrong and ATP Tour member Roger Federer also have “promoted the cap.” Kellogg: “[Nike] just kind of stole my American dream of going through the process and doing the right thing and getting a patent. They’re coming out with all these hats and selling like crazy, and don’t reimburse me for my design.” Nike denies its cap “infringed on his patent.” U.S. District Judge Joseph Bataillon will hear the trial in September[/quote]

    wonder which side paul will be rooting for ;)

  • chance | July 9, 2008 at 1:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”279084″][quote comment=”279082″][quote comment=”279048″]
    To make this uni related. I heard a crazy rumor the the Brew Crew are thinking of having another retro design… this time the Barrel Man logo back from the early 70’s. This may be combined with the Crew who just had a Barrel Man bobble head giveaway on Sunday.

    Any one hear if there is any truth to this… or just a crazy rumor???[/quote]

    I’d love for them to do it, especially if they went all the way and threw back to the 1940s. They’ve done the early 1970s before. But a 1940s throwback? They haven’t done one of those since 1992.

    And, since it was asked, the major league Brewers never wore the Beer Barrel Man on their jerseys. I’ve seen one pic indicating that the American Association club wore him on their jackets, but the running version, not the fielder or batter (which would eventually be adopted by the major league club).[/quote]

    Hey Chance, what game is that the Crew threw back to the early 70’s? It looks like the pic was taken at Miller Park. Do you have a date and/or more photos??[/quote]
    You’re right – that’s Miller Park.

    That particular one was from June 2001. Another picture here.

  • Stuby | July 9, 2008 at 1:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”279087″][quote comment=”279086″]Interesting read from SportsBusiness daily:

    Omaha-based inventor Gerald Kellogg has sued Nike for patent infringement, saying that the company “stole his design for a cap — one with four mesh-covered vents at the top to allow air flow — and produced it without his permission,” according to Maggie O’Brien of the OMAHA WORLD-HERALD. Kellogg said that he created the cap in ’93 by “cutting makeshift air vents into his old baseball caps,” and then covering the vents with mesh, which “looked cool and allowed air to pass through.” O’Brien reports Kellogg in ’97 was granted a patent by the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office for the idea. He then “pitched the cap design to Nike, Reebok, Fila, Adidas and other major sport firms,” but they all turned him down. However, Kellogg claims the U.S. men’s volleyball team wore Nike-sponsored caps during the ’04 Athens Games “identical to the one he designed.” Kellogg said that cyclist Lance Armstrong and ATP Tour member Roger Federer also have “promoted the cap.” Kellogg: “[Nike] just kind of stole my American dream of going through the process and doing the right thing and getting a patent. They’re coming out with all these hats and selling like crazy, and don’t reimburse me for my design.” Nike denies its cap “infringed on his patent.” U.S. District Judge Joseph Bataillon will hear the trial in September[/quote]

    Full coverage from Bryan’s paper (but not written by Bryan):
    http://omaha.com/ind...
    Dude’s wearing a Nike cap in the photo.

  • David Mariouw | July 9, 2008 at 1:30 pm |

    I dont know if this has already been pointed out but the Mid-American Conference has a come up with some new logos as part of its re-branding effort. Here’s the link
    http://mac-sports.co...

  • LI Phil | July 9, 2008 at 1:33 pm |

    hey chance,

    i think this is june 9, 2001 (see address bar)…was this a negro league throwback?

    any more pics from this game?

  • Peter Wunsch | July 9, 2008 at 1:34 pm |

    My bad on the Challenger item. But didn’t the Yankees, Mets and Jets all play at Shea in the same season.

  • LI Phil | July 9, 2008 at 1:36 pm |

    [quote]Dude’s wearing a Nike cap in the photo[/quote]

    yeah…he’s also holding a lance/livestrong cap, which the caption says is “his”…WTF?

    i’d love to see a prototype of “his” cap to see how closely it matches up…also…maybe caps never had ‘vents’ like the one pictured before, but they always had some kind of ventilation (holes, trucker hats, adjustostraps, etc…) where does he get off saying he “invented” a ventilated cap?

  • Skycat | July 9, 2008 at 1:36 pm |

    Does anyone know if there is a standard for loops on waistbands for baseball pants? If there is, it seems that the Tigers deviate from the standard. Whereas most teams have thick loops which alternate with thin loops, the Tigers avoid the thick loops. I know this is trivial, but I’ve always wondered about it.
    http://exhibits.base...

  • Ricko | July 9, 2008 at 1:36 pm |

    More power to the little guy. It’s been my experience that big companies pull such things all the time, knowing that they have the fianacial firepower to bury someone in unaffordable legal fees before it ever comes near someone who’d rule on it.

    Hell, there’s a card dealer in town whose four major ad themes/campaigns over the past 20 years all have come from one creative pitch the agency where I worked made to him in 1987.

    Not picking on Nike. Just saying if this guy can prove it…good luck to him. I’m sure they’ll pay him handsomely to go away, and part of settlement will be that no one discusses anything.

  • Ricko | July 9, 2008 at 1:40 pm |

    A CAR dealer…as in automobiles.

  • Jim | July 9, 2008 at 1:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”279092″]hey chance,

    i think this is june 9, 2001 (see address bar)…was this a negro league throwback?

    any more pics from this game?[/quote]

    The Tiger in the photo is Bobby Higgenson, he hasn’t been on the team since like ‘Nam.

  • Ricko | July 9, 2008 at 1:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”279098″][quote comment=”279092″]hey chance,

    i think this is june 9, 2001 (see address bar)…was this a negro league throwback?

    any more pics from this game?[/quote]

    The Tiger in the photo is Bobby Higgenson, he hasn’t been on the team since like ‘Nam.[/quote]

    an adaptation of these…?
    http://www.negroleag...

  • scott | July 9, 2008 at 1:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”279095″]Does anyone know if there is a standard for loops on waistbands for baseball pants? If there is, it seems that the Tigers deviate from the standard. Whereas most teams have thick loops which alternate with thin loops, the Tigers avoid the thick loops. I know this is trivial, but I’ve always wondered about it.
    http://exhibits.base...

    The Orioles and Royals also used to wear that style of pant, but no longer do, IIRC.

  • ALK | July 9, 2008 at 1:59 pm |

    Can anyone point me in the direction of photos of the Detroit Auto Club [a founding member of the IHL (’45-’51) & inaugral winner of the Turner Cup]? I am hoping to find a photo of Marcel Pronovost, but any photos will do.

  • Tim Z. | July 9, 2008 at 2:00 pm |

    Totally random, but I went to a Binghamton Mets (AA) game yesterday, and Moises Alou was there on rehab wearing a New York Mets helmet while the rest of the team was wearing their Binghamton Mets helmets.

  • Tony In Erie (at home) | July 9, 2008 at 2:10 pm |

    Remember the “FedEx” subliminal message?

    Every time I see this truck around Erie I think of that.

  • Stuby | July 9, 2008 at 2:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”279094″][quote]Dude’s wearing a Nike cap in the photo[/quote]

    yeah…he’s also holding a lance/livestrong cap, which the caption says is “his”…WTF?

    i’d love to see a prototype of “his” cap to see how closely it matches up…also…maybe caps never had ‘vents’ like the one pictured before, but they always had some kind of ventilation (holes, trucker hats, adjustostraps, etc…) where does he get off saying he “invented” a ventilated cap?[/quote]
    I found the guy’s patent online (#D384,190)…

    http://patft.uspto.g...

    I can’t get the “Images” function to work, though.

  • Tony In Erie (at home) | July 9, 2008 at 2:13 pm |

    It would be awesome if this Kellogg guy was related to me. The other Kellogg company relation hasn’t worked out.

  • Mr. Met | July 9, 2008 at 2:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”279102″]Totally random, but I went to a Binghamton Mets (AA) game yesterday, and Moises Alou was there on rehab wearing a New York Mets helmet while the rest of the team was wearing their Binghamton Mets helmets.[/quote]

    Isn’t that sort of standard? I recall Paul LoDuca doing the same thing when he rehabbed for the Nats. He was using his red Nats batting helmet.

    More interesting is the fact that Alou is showing some sock.

  • LarenR | July 9, 2008 at 2:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”279094″][quote]Dude’s wearing a Nike cap in the photo[/quote]

    yeah…he’s also holding a lance/livestrong cap, which the caption says is “his”…WTF?

    i’d love to see a prototype of “his” cap to see how closely it matches up…also…maybe caps never had ‘vents’ like the one pictured before, but they always had some kind of ventilation (holes, trucker hats, adjustostraps, etc…) where does he get off saying he “invented” a ventilated cap?[/quote]

    I can’t imagine that he’s claiming to have invented the concept of the vented cap. But, he did get a patent for a specific method of providing that ventilation and he has the right to claim ownership of that (although, as Ricko pointed out, good luck making it stand up in court).

  • Paul Lukas | July 9, 2008 at 2:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”279106″][quote comment=”279102″]Totally random, but I went to a Binghamton Mets (AA) game yesterday, and Moises Alou was there on rehab wearing a New York Mets helmet while the rest of the team was wearing their Binghamton Mets helmets.[/quote]

    Isn’t that sort of standard? I recall Paul LoDuca doing the same thing when he rehabbed for the Nats. He was using his red Nats batting helmet.[/quote]

    Very standard. The minor league team only has double-flap helmets, which most MLBers are no longer comfortable wearing. So they bring along their own single-flappers when they’re on rehab assignments.

  • LI Phil | July 9, 2008 at 2:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”279103″]Every time I see this truck around Erie I think of that.[/quote]

    oh christ

  • Mr. Met | July 9, 2008 at 2:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”279104″][quote comment=”279094″][quote]Dude’s wearing a Nike cap in the photo[/quote]

    yeah…he’s also holding a lance/livestrong cap, which the caption says is “his”…WTF?

    i’d love to see a prototype of “his” cap to see how closely it matches up…also…maybe caps never had ‘vents’ like the one pictured before, but they always had some kind of ventilation (holes, trucker hats, adjustostraps, etc…) where does he get off saying he “invented” a ventilated cap?[/quote]
    I found the guy’s patent online (#D384,190)…

    http://patft.uspto.g...

    I can’t get the “Images” function to work, though.[/quote]

    I saw the image; it looks exactly like the yellow one he is holding in the picture.

    I find it humorous (or outrageous, take your pick) that Nike could actually say “we didn’t rip off your design; see, our ballcaps don’t have a button on the top and we’ve got 5 panels instead of 4″. Reminds me of the John Amos character from “Coming to America” basically ripping off the Big Mac except that he didn’t use a sesame seed Bun. Then again, at least HE didn’t claim that he created the burger all on his own.

  • BS | July 9, 2008 at 2:28 pm |

    While looking through the MLB Rule Book for something else, I noticed that a good number of the rules are broken regularly and many people know of that they are. Why are these rules not enforced and if they aren’t going to be, why don’t they simply remove them?

    Examples:
    1.11 {c} (2) No player shall wear ragged, frayed or slit sleeves. [Did Johan Santana’s sleeves with the odd piping not qualify as ragged or frayed?]
    1.11 {d} No player shall attach to his uniform tape or other material of a different color from his uniform. [Didn’t one of the Minor League players at the promotional game Paul created use tape to make fake stirrups before being given an actual pair? Would he have been prevented from playing or would it not have counted because he was using some of the other colors in his uniform other than the dark blue socks?]
    1.11 {h} No part of the uniform shall include patches or designs relating to commercial advertisements. [Patches are put on the jerseys of the teams in the overseas games almost every year, right?]
    1.15 {b} No pitcher shall attach to his glove any foreign material of a color different from the glove.[Randy Johnson used to and may still use a glove with a sweat band incorporated into it. If it was a different color, would that not in violation of the rule?]

    All rules are from this site site.

    Also: Has a batboy/girl or a ballboy/girl ever been ejected for not wearing a helmet after being warned to? (Rule 1.16 {e} and comment below it) Is this to prevent the ump from having to deal with a hormone-charged teen who refuses to follow the rules?

  • LI Phil | July 9, 2008 at 2:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”279110″][quote comment=”279104″][quote comment=”279094″][quote]Dude’s wearing a Nike cap in the photo[/quote]

    yeah…he’s also holding a lance/livestrong cap, which the caption says is “his”…WTF?

    i’d love to see a prototype of “his” cap to see how closely it matches up…also…maybe caps never had ‘vents’ like the one pictured before, but they always had some kind of ventilation (holes, trucker hats, adjustostraps, etc…) where does he get off saying he “invented” a ventilated cap?[/quote]
    I found the guy’s patent online (#D384,190)…

    http://patft.uspto.g...

    I can’t get the “Images” function to work, though.[/quote]

    I saw the image; it looks exactly like the yellow one he is holding in the picture.

    I find it humorous (or outrageous, take your pick) that Nike could actually say “we didn’t rip off your design; see, our ballcaps don’t have a button on the top and we’ve got 5 panels instead of 4″. Reminds me of the John Amos character from “Coming to America” basically ripping off the Big Mac except that he didn’t use a sesame seed Bun. Then again, at least HE didn’t claim that he created the burger all on his own.[/quote]

    i couldn’t see it either…mr. met…can you turn said image into a flickr or some such you can link to on here?

  • Tom | July 9, 2008 at 2:33 pm |

    “I started thinking about how nobody has changed the baseball hat, and it has no ventilation,” he said.

    Someone mentioned truckers hats here before, are those the ones where the whole entire back of the hat is mesh? you know, ventilated mesh?

    secondly, I don’t know if I ever thought to myself that “I love this old hat of mine, I’d like it so much better if it just had a little ventilation though.” I mean, if my head gets hot in a hat, i remove it for a few seconds and reset it…

  • Mr. Met | July 9, 2008 at 2:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”279111″]1.11 {h} No part of the uniform shall include patches or designs relating to commercial advertisements. [Patches are put on the jerseys of the teams in the overseas games almost every year, right?][/quote]

    Well that one’s easy. Just add “unless approved by Major Leagee Baseball” at the end of the sentence and voila, issue resolved.

    That rule was most likely enacted to prevent ballplayers from becoming advertising billboards for whatever individual endorsement contracts they signed.

  • LI Phil | July 9, 2008 at 2:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”279113″]”I started thinking about how nobody has changed the baseball hat, and it has no ventilation,” he said.

    Someone mentioned truckers hats here before, are those the ones where the whole entire back of the hat is mesh? you know, ventilated mesh?[/quote]

    yeah…that was me…and yes, that’s a trucker hat

    and for as long as i can remember, caps have had little holes (usually with a grommet) in the top…and what about the “adjustable plastic strap” or other such nonsense…aren’t those all ventilation devices of some type?

  • Mr. Met | July 9, 2008 at 2:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”279112″]i couldn’t see it either…mr. met…can you turn said image into a flickr or some such you can link to on here?[/quote]

    http://patimg2.uspto...

    It’s actually in Quick Time, so I wouldn’t even know where to begin to convert it into a picture file. When I right-click on it, it says “About this Quick Time Plug-In”……

    Not too technologically savvy when it comes to stuff like this, sad to say.

  • Walaitis | July 9, 2008 at 2:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”279082″][quote comment=”279048″]
    To make this uni related. I heard a crazy rumor the the Brew Crew are thinking of having another retro design… this time the Barrel Man logo back from the early 70’s. This may be combined with the Crew who just had a Barrel Man bobble head giveaway on Sunday.

    Any one hear if there is any truth to this… or just a crazy rumor???[/quote]

    I’d love for them to do it, especially if they went all the way and threw back to the 1940s. They’ve done the early 1970s before. But a 1940s throwback? They haven’t done one of those since 1992.

    And, since it was asked, the major league Brewers never wore the Beer Barrel Man on their jerseys. I’ve seen one pic indicating that the American Association club wore him on their jackets, but the running version, not the fielder or batter (which would eventually be adopted by the major league club).[/quote]

    Are my eyes playing tricks on me, or is #7 wearing spikes with a swoosh on the bottom but different marking on the sides?

  • Walaitis | July 9, 2008 at 2:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”279013″]

    hey! that’s how i proposed to my ex-wife, way back in 92…only it was on our high school stadium field

    *sniff*

    /looking back, of course, i guess it was the biggest mistake of my entire f3%$%$ing life silly afterall[/quote]

    Add this to the list of reasons you should never propose to your ex-wife … especially when you’re still in high school.

  • LI Phil | July 9, 2008 at 2:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”279116″][quote comment=”279112″]i couldn’t see it either…mr. met…can you turn said image into a flickr or some such you can link to on here?[/quote]

    http://patimg2.uspto...

    It’s actually in Quick Time, so I wouldn’t even know where to begin to convert it into a picture file. When I right-click on it, it says “About this Quick Time Plug-In”……

    Not too technologically savvy when it comes to stuff like this, sad to say.[/quote]

    yeah…i got to that page you linked to as well, but nothing appears…im technologically deficient as well…perhaps someone else can assist…thanks tho!

  • LI Phil | July 9, 2008 at 2:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”279118″][quote comment=”279013″]

    hey! that’s how i proposed to my ex-wife, way back in 92…only it was on our high school stadium field

    *sniff*

    /looking back, of course, i guess it was the biggest mistake of my entire f3%$%$ing life silly afterall[/quote]

    Add this to the list of reasons you should never propose to your ex-wife … especially when you’re still in high school.[/quote]

    who said i was in high school slapnuts? we were both college graduates at the time

    i was a hopeless romantic once…used to cover the bed in rose petals and shit…wrote her love songs…the works…now…

    well…now i post here

  • Teebz | July 9, 2008 at 2:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”279101″]Can anyone point me in the direction of photos of the Detroit Auto Club [a founding member of the IHL (’45-’51) & inaugral winner of the Turner Cup]? I am hoping to find a photo of Marcel Pronovost, but any photos will do.[/quote]

    Provonost played a total of 28 games for the Detroit Auto Club team over two seasons (19 in 1947-48 and 9 in 1948-49), and there are exactly zero photos of that team anywhere on the net (yes, it was a preliminary search). Your best bet would be to contact a Detroit newspaper and see if they have anything in their archives regarding this time period.

  • mmwatkin | July 9, 2008 at 2:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”279030″][quote comment=”279016″][quote comment=”279013″]Was at the Brewers game last night (yay CC) and watched the guys chalking up the heart/hart and just knew that Paul would hate it.[/quote]

    Judging strictly by anecdotal evidence, I think it’s a fair bet that Nicole Haase attends sporting events with more regularity than any Uni Watch reader (and certainly WAY more than I do). My hat’s off to her!

    Can’t believe nobody’s picked up on my Joseph Cooper reference yet….[/quote]

    There is just something about us Wisconsin sports fans that love being at the game and feel like they are involved. I don’t want to speak for Nicole, but as a fellow Cheese Head, that is how I feel. If I lived in Milwaukee, and not 1.5 hours away I would have season tickets for the Brewers for sure. These is just something about being at Lambeau, Miller Park, Camp Randall, or the Kohl Center that just gives off some sort of aura. It really is intoxicating, and I can’t explain it. All non-Wisconsin people must go to a Badger Football game, Packer game, and Brewers game at their home venues to truly appreciate it.

    And if you want to do it right, you must… MUST tailgate before. There is nothing like it

    ON WISCONSIN![/quote]

    I may have to disagree with you somewhat. I have been to all 11 Big 10 football stadiums (plus ND) and while Wisconsin is definately up there, nothing compares to Penn State (and I am not a fan of the Nittany Lions)

  • Mr. Met | July 9, 2008 at 2:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”279113″]secondly, I don’t know if I ever thought to myself that “I love this old hat of mine, I’d like it so much better if it just had a little ventilation though.” I mean, if my head gets hot in a hat, i remove it for a few seconds and reset it…[/quote]

    Well that’s exactly what makes Nike ripping off this guy’s design all the more infuriating. This guy came up with the idea, spent time and money to get it patented, pitched it to Nike, and some guy in a suit with a cushy corner office decided, you know what? Let’s use the design and claim it as ours. And then on top of that when the guy complained they brushed him off with laughable “differences” between the two designs.

    This happens EVERY day. Except this guy is one of the few who decided he’s not going to just sit idly by and watch Nike make millions off his hard work. More power to him. I just hope the guy has deep pockets, because it’s going to be a LONG fight rife with delays and postponements on Nike’s part, I’m sure.

  • Ricko | July 9, 2008 at 2:50 pm |

    As I understand such things, if Kellogg can show he presented some kind of unique, patent-able design to Nike substantially before they ever marketed such a hat, and the hat they marketed was substantially the same design, then his case is…substantial.

    And that’s a helluva lot better than circumstantial.

    In order to say, “Oh, we were already working on a design such as that,” Nike has to prove they were. Drawings, internal correspondence, protypes, production estimates, the whole schmeer.

    All Kellogg has to do is prove his patent and that his presented the idea to Nike at a certain time.

    I say, if he’s got ‘em…go get ‘em.

  • Mr. Met | July 9, 2008 at 2:56 pm |

    I’m not quite sure how this works, but if Nike had something in development, is it anyone’s job in the corporation to look through patents and see if someone has already patented a similar design? Because then would it even MATTER if Kellogg can prove that he pitched it to them before they had something in development? I guess I’m basically asking what kind of due diligence has to be done when you’re developing some new design or technology?

  • BS | July 9, 2008 at 2:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”279117″][quote comment=”279082″][quote comment=”279048″]
    To make this uni related. I heard a crazy rumor the the Brew Crew are thinking of having another retro design… this time the Barrel Man logo back from the early 70’s. This may be combined with the Crew who just had a Barrel Man bobble head giveaway on Sunday.

    Any one hear if there is any truth to this… or just a crazy rumor???[/quote]

    I’d love for them to do it, especially if they went all the way and threw back to the 1940s. They’ve done the early 1970s before. But a 1940s throwback? They haven’t done one of those since 1992.

    And, since it was asked, the major league Brewers never wore the Beer Barrel Man on their jerseys. I’ve seen one pic indicating that the American Association club wore him on their jackets, but the running version, not the fielder or batter (which would eventually be adopted by the major league club).[/quote]

    Are my eyes playing tricks on me, or is #7 wearing spikes with a swoosh on the bottom but different marking on the sides?[/quote]

    I believe that is Jose Reyes of the Mets and he wears Nike shoes.

  • LI Phil | July 9, 2008 at 3:03 pm |

    sounds like this cap is in violation too, no?

    oh wait…it’s not nike, so it must not be evil then

    but…lets see, it’s got vents just like kellog’s cap, no? so…where’s the beef with adidas? shouldn’t he go after them too, as long as he supposedly pitched the idea to them as well?

  • Ricko | July 9, 2008 at 3:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”279127″]sounds like this cap is in violation too, no?

    oh wait…it’s not nike, so it must not be evil then

    but…lets see, it’s got vents just like kellog’s cap, no? so…where’s the beef with adidas? shouldn’t he go after them too, as long as he supposedly pitched the idea to them as well?[/quote]

    If he wins this case, he probably will.

  • LI Phil | July 9, 2008 at 3:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”279126″][quote comment=”279117″]Are my eyes playing tricks on me, or is #7 wearing spikes with a swoosh on the bottom but different marking on the sides?[/quote]

    I believe that is Jose Reyes of the Mets and he wears Nike shoes.[/quote]

    if that game is from 2001, i don’t think that’s jose reyes…he wasn’t called up till 2003, and i don’t think the crew were playing the mets in that game

  • Ricko | July 9, 2008 at 3:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”279128″][quote comment=”279127″]sounds like this cap is in violation too, no?

    oh wait…it’s not nike, so it must not be evil then

    but…lets see, it’s got vents just like kellog’s cap, no? so…where’s the beef with adidas? shouldn’t he go after them too, as long as he supposedly pitched the idea to them as well?[/quote]

    If he wins this case, he probably will.[/quote]

    I mean, if you have case, sue the biggest company first. If you beat a smaller company, the big guy can get ready for you.

  • Paul Lukas | July 9, 2008 at 3:11 pm |

    Hate to break up today’s meeting of the Patent Club, but today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

  • Ricko | July 9, 2008 at 3:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”279129″][quote comment=”279126″][quote comment=”279117″]Are my eyes playing tricks on me, or is #7 wearing spikes with a swoosh on the bottom but different marking on the sides?[/quote]

    I believe that is Jose Reyes of the Mets and he wears Nike shoes.[/quote]

    if that game is from 2001, i don’t think that’s jose reyes…he wasn’t called up till 2003, and i don’t think the crew were playing the mets in that game[/quote]

    They’re Nikes. It’s just the angle. Logo on Reyes shoes has the same kind of funky distortion.

  • Mr. Met | July 9, 2008 at 3:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”279127″]sounds like this cap is in violation too, no?

    oh wait…it’s not nike, so it must not be evil then

    but…lets see, it’s got vents just like kellog’s cap, no? so…where’s the beef with adidas? shouldn’t he go after them too, as long as he supposedly pitched the idea to them as well?[/quote]

    I don’t know; that adidas cap looks TOTALLY different from the design he patented.

    Unfortunately, it would be so much easier if we had the picture from that link to compare.

    Basically, what he did was take the seams apart on the cap, cut out a portion of the sides on the panels, sew in some mesh-like fabric , and then sew the cap up again. Literally, that yellow cap he is holding in the picture is the same as the picture in his patent.

    I’m not so sure he has an ax to grind with adidas. After all, (1) their cap looks nothing like the one he designed and patented, and (2) they didn’t tell him to take a hike when he complained.

  • LarenR | July 9, 2008 at 3:15 pm |

    [quote comment=\”279127\”]sounds like this cap is in violation too, no?

    oh wait…it\’s not nike, so it must not be evil then

    but…lets see, it\’s got vents just like kellog\’s cap, no? so…where\’s the beef with adidas? shouldn\’t he go after them too, as long as he supposedly pitched the idea to them as well?[/quote]
    [quote comment=”279127″]sounds like this cap is in violation too, no?

    oh wait…it’s not nike, so it must not be evil then

    but…lets see, it’s got vents just like kellog’s cap, no? so…where’s the beef with adidas? shouldn’t he go after them too, as long as he supposedly pitched the idea to them as well?[/quote]

    I’d say the vents are different enough that it is a new concept. Again, Kellogg didn’t patent “vents,” just his specific vents. Need an analogy? General Motors probably didn’t invent tail lights for cars, but I’d bet they have dozens of patents for the specific layouts and designs of the tail lights on their cars (ie. two circular lights on the back of a Corvette, vs. Ford’s triple light on the Mustang). In patents it’s not just the concept, but the application of the concept, and that is what Nike (allegedly) stole.

  • Jefe | July 9, 2008 at 3:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”279017″][quote comment=\”278996\”]The \”U\” will be on the field when U of M plays at Dolphins stadium but only after the Marlins\’ season concludes. So, they will have 2 football teams and baseball team all playing at the same place. Has that been done before? Chargers, Aztecs, Padres at Jack Murphy?

    http://www.orlandose...

    Rogers Centre in Toronto is home to the Blue Jays, Argos, and the Buffalo Bills[/quote]

    Pretty sure the Bills have never played in the skydome. They’ve been playing in ralph wilson since before the rogers centre opened.

  • Ricko | July 9, 2008 at 3:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”279131″]Hate to break up today’s meeting of the Patent Club, but today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    Oklahoma City “48ers”.
    To remind everyone to keep trying to determine the true level of intelligence–and business acumen–of an owner who would leave the 14th largest market in favor of the 48th largest and see it as a great business move.

  • Jefe | July 9, 2008 at 3:18 pm |

    Sorry, just saw that there going to play one game a year there starting this year.

  • Mr. Met | July 9, 2008 at 3:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”279137″]Sorry, just saw that there going to play one game a year there starting this year.[/quote]

    Although to build on your point, if they’re going to play one game a year at the Rogers Centre, you could hardly call it their “home”, as the previous poster did. More like “Rogers Centre in Toronto is home to the Blue Jays and Argos, and will also HOST the Buffalo Bills”. That I think would be more accurate.

  • Ricko | July 9, 2008 at 3:23 pm |

    Ooops, according to this company’s stats, OKC is 53rd.

    http://www.radio-med...

    Acutally, this is an interesting list

  • LI Phil | July 9, 2008 at 3:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”279134″][quote comment=\”279127\”]sounds like this cap is in violation too, no?

    oh wait…it\’s not nike, so it must not be evil then

    but…lets see, it\’s got vents just like kellog\’s cap, no? so…where\’s the beef with adidas? shouldn\’t he go after them too, as long as he supposedly pitched the idea to them as well?[/quote]
    [quote comment=”279127″]sounds like this cap is in violation too, no?

    oh wait…it’s not nike, so it must not be evil then

    but…lets see, it’s got vents just like kellog’s cap, no? so…where’s the beef with adidas? shouldn’t he go after them too, as long as he supposedly pitched the idea to them as well?[/quote]

    I’d say the vents are different enough that it is a new concept. Again, Kellogg didn’t patent “vents,” just his specific vents. Need an analogy? General Motors probably didn’t invent tail lights for cars, but I’d bet they have dozens of patents for the specific layouts and designs of the tail lights on their cars (ie. two circular lights on the back of a Corvette, vs. Ford’s triple light on the Mustang). In patents it’s not just the concept, but the application of the concept, and that is what Nike (allegedly) stole.[/quote]

    well…i know we’re splitting haris then, because he didn’t “invent” the “button” nike put on top of the cap…so it’s enough different too then, right? that’s essentially what you’re telling me with the vent design differences…splitting hairs…

    i could tell you nike’s is different because of the button and you’d tell me to eff-off…well, i claim the vents, even if not identical to adidas pattern are similar enough that if you’re going to claim nike stole them, then i say so too did adidas…after all, nike’s have a DIFFERENT NUMBER of vents…did kellog patent a 4 vent, a 5 vent or a 6 vent cap??? well, nike’s is different

    if ya’ll wanna go after big bad nike here, be my guest, but don’t leave the 3 stripes out of it (and im sure there are others with vents too)

  • Walaitis | July 9, 2008 at 3:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”279136″][quote comment=”279131″]Hate to break up today’s meeting of the Patent Club, but today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    Oklahoma City “48ers”.
    To remind everyone to keep trying to determine the true level of intelligence–and business acumen–of an owner who would leave the 14th largest market in favor of the 48th largest and see it as a great business move.[/quote]

    Hostage situation. Who’s willing to pay for a new stadium and fork over all the proceeds (real proceeds, not like the MLB-spangled cap proceeds)?

  • James Craven | July 9, 2008 at 3:25 pm |

    1975: The Mets, Yankees, Giants and Jets spent the entire season at Shea Stadium. Or, as it is better known from above “The Ginormous Toilet Seat.”

  • Ricko | July 9, 2008 at 3:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”279141″][quote comment=”279136″][quote comment=”279131″]Hate to break up today’s meeting of the Patent Club, but today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    Oklahoma City “48ers”.
    To remind everyone to keep trying to determine the true level of intelligence–and business acumen–of an owner who would leave the 14th largest market in favor of the 48th largest and see it as a great business move.[/quote]

    Hostage situation. Who’s willing to pay for a new stadium and fork over all the proceeds [/quote]

    Yup. Cuz wasn’t, on the face of it, not a good move at all.

    Do like the name Barons, though, but hate to see them use OU colors. Black and gold. maybe? (Back to “black gold” since it’s both cattle AND oil barons we’re taking about here, right?).

  • chance | July 9, 2008 at 3:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”279134″][quote comment=\”279127\”]sounds like this cap is in violation too, no?

    oh wait…it\’s not nike, so it must not be evil then

    but…lets see, it\’s got vents just like kellog\’s cap, no? so…where\’s the beef with adidas? shouldn\’t he go after them too, as long as he supposedly pitched the idea to them as well?[/quote]
    [quote comment=”279127″]sounds like this cap is in violation too, no?

    oh wait…it’s not nike, so it must not be evil then

    but…lets see, it’s got vents just like kellog’s cap, no? so…where’s the beef with adidas? shouldn’t he go after them too, as long as he supposedly pitched the idea to them as well?[/quote]

    I’d say the vents are different enough that it is a new concept. Again, Kellogg didn’t patent “vents,” just his specific vents. Need an analogy? General Motors probably didn’t invent tail lights for cars, but I’d bet they have dozens of patents for the specific layouts and designs of the tail lights on their cars (ie. two circular lights on the back of a Corvette, vs. Ford’s triple light on the Mustang). In patents it’s not just the concept, but the application of the concept, and that is what Nike (allegedly) stole.[/quote]

    Bingo.

    In writing, you can’t own an idea, only the particular expression of said idea. So nobody can copyright “doomed romance on the Titanic” but if anybody else comes out with “doomed romance on the Titanic between upper-class portrait model and kindhearted but broke kid from Wisconsin who frolic in the cargo holds” then they’ve got a case.

    It doesn’t hurt his case that he actually pitched it to Nike – that’s a mark in his favor.

  • Tom from staten island | July 9, 2008 at 3:39 pm |

    redsox are still wearing the 4th of july hats

  • Jim | July 9, 2008 at 3:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”279143″][quote comment=”279141″][quote comment=”279136″][quote comment=”279131″]Hate to break up today’s meeting of the Patent Club, but today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    Oklahoma City “48ers”.
    To remind everyone to keep trying to determine the true level of intelligence–and business acumen–of an owner who would leave the 14th largest market in favor of the 48th largest and see it as a great business move.[/quote]

    Hostage situation. Who’s willing to pay for a new stadium and fork over all the proceeds [/quote]

    Yup. Cuz wasn’t, on the face of it, not a good move at all.

    Do like the name Barons, though, but hate to see them use OU colors. Black and gold. maybe? (Back to “black gold” since it’s both cattle AND oil barons we’re taking about here, right?).[/quote]

    Oklahoma City Irrelevants

  • josh | July 9, 2008 at 3:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”279143″][quote comment=”279141″][quote comment=”279136″][quote comment=”279131″]Hate to break up today’s meeting of the Patent Club, but today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    Oklahoma City “48ers”.
    To remind everyone to keep trying to determine the true level of intelligence–and business acumen–of an owner who would leave the 14th largest market in favor of the 48th largest and see it as a great business move.[/quote]

    Hostage situation. Who’s willing to pay for a new stadium and fork over all the proceeds [/quote]

    Yup. Cuz wasn’t, on the face of it, not a good move at all.

    Do like the name Barons, though, but hate to see them use OU colors. Black and gold. maybe? (Back to “black gold” since it’s both cattle AND oil barons we’re taking about here, right?).[/quote]

    Maybe we can some clarification on NBA rules regarding name changes. If the Lakers had to stay Lakers and the Jazz had to stay the Jazz, both names geographically and culturally specific to their cities of origin, the Oklahoma City SuperSonics should be a fait acompli.

  • Trav | July 9, 2008 at 3:49 pm |

    Des Moines’ AHL franchise unveiled their new name/logo this afternoon….

    link

  • Ricko | July 9, 2008 at 3:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”279145″]redsox are still wearing the 4th of july hats[/quote]

    Oh, that’s just Manny being…

    No, wait….

    Sorry, geting to involuntary when subject is the Red Sox.

  • Steve | July 9, 2008 at 3:59 pm |

    Here is a real sign for Paul !

    http://www.engrish.c...

  • James Craven | July 9, 2008 at 4:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”279148″]Des Moines’ AHL franchise unveiled their new name/logo this afternoon…”

    link[/quote]

    It’s a great logo… FOR ME TO POOP ON!

  • ALK | July 9, 2008 at 4:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”279121″][quote comment=”279101″]Can anyone point me in the direction of photos of the Detroit Auto Club [a founding member of the IHL (’45-’51) & inaugral winner of the Turner Cup]? I am hoping to find a photo of Marcel Pronovost, but any photos will do.[/quote]

    Provonost played a total of 28 games for the Detroit Auto Club team over two seasons (19 in 1947-48 and 9 in 1948-49), and there are exactly zero photos of that team anywhere on the net (yes, it was a preliminary search). Your best bet would be to contact a Detroit newspaper and see if they have anything in their archives regarding this time period.[/quote]
    I think the season was only 30 games, so 19 wasn’t as bad as it sounds – although 53 PIM is. Not only could I not find any photos of that team on the internet, but I couldn’t even find a logo. It looks like I might have to do actual research.

  • Mr. Met | July 9, 2008 at 4:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”279140″]well…i know we’re splitting haris then, because he didn’t “invent” the “button” nike put on top of the cap…so it’s enough different too then, right? that’s essentially what you’re telling me with the vent design differences…splitting hairs…

    i could tell you nike’s is different because of the button and you’d tell me to eff-off…well, i claim the vents, even if not identical to adidas pattern are similar enough that if you’re going to claim nike stole them, then i say so too did adidas…after all, nike’s have a DIFFERENT NUMBER of vents…did kellog patent a 4 vent, a 5 vent or a 6 vent cap??? well, nike’s is different

    if ya’ll wanna go after big bad nike here, be my guest, but don’t leave the 3 stripes out of it (and im sure there are others with vents too)[/quote]

    I took Nike’s whole “we don’t have a button on top of our caps” and “we use 5 panels instead of 4″ as them just obfuscating the issue. This is about the design of the vents themselves. As someone already pointed out, Kellogg is not claiming he invented mesh vents. He’s claiming that his vent design is unique to him, and thus he patented it.

    I look at it this way: does it pass the smell test? I would think if, based on his design, if he walked into a sporting goods store and saw that adidas cap, he probably wouldn’t give it a second thought, because it looks nothing like the design he patented. On the other hand, if he was in the same sporting goods store and saw a Nike cap that had the SAME IDENTICAL vent design that he patented, it doesn’t mean squat that there’s no button on the top of the cap or that it has an extra panel to it. Something clearly stinks.

    Quite honestly, I find it telling that Nike doesn’t reference a patent that IT has on that design. Instead, it tries to make the issue of one of style over substance. This is NOT about the different number of vents on a cap or the button on the top of the cap. That’s NOT what Kellogg patented. He patented the VENT DESIGN.

  • Stuby | July 9, 2008 at 4:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”279139″]Ooops, according to this company’s stats, OKC is 53rd.

    http://www.radio-med...

    Acutally, this is an interesting list[/quote]
    That list is very interesting. Makes me wonder even more how Jacksonville got an NFL franchise being at #50.

  • u2-horn | July 9, 2008 at 4:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”279140″]after all, nike’s have a DIFFERENT NUMBER of vents…did kellog patent a 4 vent, a 5 vent or a 6 vent cap??? well, nike’s is different[/quote]

    No, they both have 4 vents.

  • Teebz | July 9, 2008 at 4:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”279148″]Des Moines’ AHL franchise unveiled their new name/logo this afternoon….

    link[/quote]

    Absolutely the worst name in the history of hockey, and the press statement was a load of BS. Iowa’s AHL should have their membership revoked over this idiotic idea of a name.

  • LI Phil | July 9, 2008 at 4:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”279155″][quote comment=”279140″]after all, nike’s have a DIFFERENT NUMBER of vents…did kellog patent a 4 vent, a 5 vent or a 6 vent cap??? well, nike’s is different[/quote]

    No, they both have 4 vents.[/quote]

    well i was just going by what is in the article, which states:

    The Kellogg design has a button on top, and Nike’s does not; Kellogg’s cap has five panels, whereas Nike’s has six; and the stitching was different.

  • Robert | July 9, 2008 at 4:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”279148″]Des Moines’ AHL franchise unveiled their new name/logo this afternoon….

    link[/quote]

    The angry pig logo stinks, but the name fits.

  • James Craven | July 9, 2008 at 4:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”279156″][quote comment=”279148″]“Des Moines’ AHL franchise unveiled their new name/logo this afternoon….”[/quote]

    link

    “Absolutely the worst name in the history of hockey, and the press statement was a load of BS. Iowa’s AHL should have their membership revoked over this idiotic idea of a name.”[/quote]

    [sarcasm]Okay, Teebz. Now tell how you really feel about this.[/sarcasm]

  • Jeff P | July 9, 2008 at 4:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”279094″][quote]Dude’s wearing a Nike cap in the photo[/quote]

    yeah…he’s also holding a lance/livestrong cap, which the caption says is “his”…WTF?

    i’d love to see a prototype of “his” cap to see how closely it matches up…also…maybe caps never had ‘vents’ like the one pictured before, but they always had some kind of ventilation (holes, trucker hats, adjustostraps, etc…) where does he get off saying he “invented” a ventilated cap?[/quote]
    No, the one he’s holding is his cap according to the caption. If that looks like the livestrong cap and the livestrong cap is made by nike, that kinda proves his point.

  • Tony In Erie (at home) | July 9, 2008 at 4:25 pm |

    1. Where’s PETA stand on The Chops.
    2. Chops are something not tolerated in hockey anymore.
    3. “Scouts?”

  • Jeff P | July 9, 2008 at 4:27 pm |

    Wait, I see what you mean. But it did say in the article that he designed it by cutting up caps he had and modified them. So that must be one of the hats he had on hand and cut up and re sewed. Notice it does have the 6 panels and button the article described.

  • LI Phil | July 9, 2008 at 4:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”279160″][quote comment=”279094″][quote]Dude’s wearing a Nike cap in the photo[/quote]

    yeah…he’s also holding a lance/livestrong cap, which the caption says is “his”…WTF?

    i’d love to see a prototype of “his” cap to see how closely it matches up…also…maybe caps never had ‘vents’ like the one pictured before, but they always had some kind of ventilation (holes, trucker hats, adjustostraps, etc…) where does he get off saying he “invented” a ventilated cap?[/quote]
    No, the one he’s holding is his cap according to the caption. If that looks like the livestrong cap and the livestrong cap is made by nike, that kinda proves his point.[/quote]

    NO

    the cap he’s holding is clearly a livestrong cap…perhaps the caption is wrong

  • who cares | July 9, 2008 at 4:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”279148″]Des Moines’ AHL franchise unveiled their new name/logo this afternoon….

    link[/quote]

    Chops don’t come from the head do they?

  • LI Phil | July 9, 2008 at 4:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”279163″][quote comment=”279160″][quote comment=”279094″][quote]Dude’s wearing a Nike cap in the photo[/quote]

    yeah…he’s also holding a lance/livestrong cap, which the caption says is “his”…WTF?

    i’d love to see a prototype of “his” cap to see how closely it matches up…also…maybe caps never had ‘vents’ like the one pictured before, but they always had some kind of ventilation (holes, trucker hats, adjustostraps, etc…) where does he get off saying he “invented” a ventilated cap?[/quote]
    No, the one he’s holding is his cap according to the caption. If that looks like the livestrong cap and the livestrong cap is made by nike, that kinda proves his point.[/quote]

    NO

    the cap he’s holding is clearly a livestrong cap…perhaps the caption is wrong[/quote]

    here is the livestrong cap from nike for comparison

  • who cares | July 9, 2008 at 4:34 pm |

    He took a regular livestrong cap and gave it a mod.

  • noelamezquita | July 9, 2008 at 4:36 pm |

    For the Detroit Auto Club you can also try Ivan “Ching” Johnson who played 10 games in ’45-’46 and 26 games in ’46-’47 for them. A little goes a long way….

  • James Craven | July 9, 2008 at 4:39 pm |

    Iowa Chops logo

    Plan B Branding just called. They want their Lehigh Valley Iron Pigs logo retuned STAT!

  • Ricko | July 9, 2008 at 4:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”279160″][quote comment=”279094″][quote]Dude’s wearing a Nike cap in the photo[/quote]

    yeah…he’s also holding a lance/livestrong cap, which the caption says is “his”…WTF?

    i’d love to see a prototype of “his” cap to see how closely it matches up…also…maybe caps never had ‘vents’ like the one pictured before, but they always had some kind of ventilation (holes, trucker hats, adjustostraps, etc…) where does he get off saying he “invented” a ventilated cap?[/quote]
    No, the one he’s holding is his cap according to the caption. If that looks like the livestrong cap and the livestrong cap is made by nike, that kinda proves his point.[/quote]

    No it doesn’t. It says the cap has the vents he designed.

  • AJ | July 9, 2008 at 4:52 pm |

    I was not a uniwatch reader in 2004 when you ran the column about designing uniforms for the nationals but i have to say i really like these:
    http://espn.go.com/i...

    and the sleeve patch on this one is one of the best things i’ve ever seen:
    http://espn.go.com/i...

    (I also don’t know how to do a link so if they didn’t work could somebody fix them for me?)

  • AJ | July 9, 2008 at 4:53 pm |

    nevermind they worked

  • MPowers1634 | July 9, 2008 at 4:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”279106″][quote comment=”279102″]Totally random, but I went to a Binghamton Mets (AA) game yesterday, and Moises Alou was there on rehab wearing a New York Mets helmet while the rest of the team was wearing their Binghamton Mets helmets.[/quote]

    Isn’t that sort of standard? I recall Paul LoDuca doing the same thing when he rehabbed for the Nats. He was using his red Nats batting helmet.

    More interesting is the fact that Alou is showing some sock.[/quote]

    And his ultra cool Nike Huarache 2k4 Player Exclusive cleats!

  • chance | July 9, 2008 at 4:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”279170″]and the sleeve patch on this one is one of the best things i’ve ever seen:
    http://espn.go.com/i...
    [/quote]

    Couldn’t agree more – that’s amazing. The Nationals should adopt that immediately.

  • MPowers1634 | July 9, 2008 at 5:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”279146″][quote comment=”279143″][quote comment=”279141″][quote comment=”279136″][quote comment=”279131″]Hate to break up today’s meeting of the Patent Club, but today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    Oklahoma City “48ers”.
    To remind everyone to keep trying to determine the true level of intelligence–and business acumen–of an owner who would leave the 14th largest market in favor of the 48th largest and see it as a great business move.[/quote]

    Hostage situation. Who’s willing to pay for a new stadium and fork over all the proceeds [/quote]

    Yup. Cuz wasn’t, on the face of it, not a good move at all.

    Do like the name Barons, though, but hate to see them use OU colors. Black and gold. maybe? (Back to “black gold” since it’s both cattle AND oil barons we’re taking about here, right?).[/quote]

    Oklahoma City Irrelevants[/quote]

    The Black and Gold, however appropriate, should not fly considering that they are also Mizzou’s colors. Being in Big 12 country, I’d be surprised if they go with that design!

  • Nicole | July 9, 2008 at 5:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”279016″][quote comment=”279013″]Was at the Brewers game last night (yay CC) and watched the guys chalking up the heart/hart and just knew that Paul would hate it.[/quote]

    Judging strictly by anecdotal evidence, I think it’s a fair bet that Nicole Haase attends sporting events with more regularity than any Uni Watch reader (and certainly WAY more than I do). My hat’s off to her!

    Can’t believe nobody’s picked up on my Joseph Cooper reference yet….[/quote]

    I’ve only been to 4 games in the past 5 days!!!!

  • MPowers1634 | July 9, 2008 at 5:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”279132″][quote comment=”279129″][quote comment=”279126″][quote comment=”279117″]Are my eyes playing tricks on me, or is #7 wearing spikes with a swoosh on the bottom but different marking on the sides?[/quote]

    I believe that is Jose Reyes of the Mets and he wears Nike shoes.[/quote]

    if that game is from 2001, i don’t think that’s jose reyes…he wasn’t called up till 2003, and i don’t think the crew were playing the mets in that game[/quote]

    They’re Nikes. It’s just the angle. Logo on Reyes shoes has the same kind of funky distortion.[/quote]

    Ricko, this year, Reyes has been wearing cleats from various companies, mostly Nike, but Easton as well.

    Check this thread:
    http://niketalk.yuku...

  • MPowers1634 | July 9, 2008 at 5:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”279176″][quote comment=”279132″][quote comment=”279129″][quote comment=”279126″][quote comment=”279117″]Are my eyes playing tricks on me, or is #7 wearing spikes with a swoosh on the bottom but different marking on the sides?[/quote]

    I believe that is Jose Reyes of the Mets and he wears Nike shoes.[/quote]

    if that game is from 2001, i don’t think that’s jose reyes…he wasn’t called up till 2003, and i don’t think the crew were playing the mets in that game[/quote]

    They’re Nikes. It’s just the angle. Logo on Reyes shoes has the same kind of funky distortion.[/quote]

    Ricko, this year, Reyes has been wearing cleats from various companies, mostly Nike, but Easton as well.

    Check this thread:
    http://niketalk.yuku...

    The #7 in the Brewers game is wearing Nike AIr Clippers, same as Mariano Rivera wears.

  • Paul Lukas | July 9, 2008 at 5:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”279173″][quote comment=”279170″]and the sleeve patch on this one is one of the best things i’ve ever seen:
    http://espn.go.com/i...
    [/quote]

    Couldn’t agree more – that’s amazing. The Nationals should adopt that immediately.[/quote]

    That sleeve patch was my favorite thing about the entire Nats design contest.

  • GoTerriers | July 9, 2008 at 5:11 pm |

    You know . . .I keep meaning to ask this, because if anyone would notice something of this ilk, it’s this group:

    Anyone else catch that in the Lebron James “Courtroom” commercial for Gatorade, the case he references in his argument is “Nike (with a short i) vs. Oregon”?

    Makes me laugh every time I see the commercial.

  • Walaitis | July 9, 2008 at 5:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”279173″][quote comment=”279170″]and the sleeve patch on this one is one of the best things i’ve ever seen:
    http://espn.go.com/i...
    [/quote]

    Couldn’t agree more – that’s amazing. The Nationals should adopt that immediately.[/quote]

    I remember that from the original article. It’s not bad, but it made me think Pat Patriot hiked the football, and someone tossed him a baseball bat to swing instead.

  • Nick C | July 9, 2008 at 5:13 pm |

    Hey Paul, how about a Sonics uni-retrospective sometime soon for those of us in mourning? The NBA is otherwise dead to a lot of us here in the mossy corner of the country.

  • Ricko | July 9, 2008 at 5:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”279176″][quote comment=”279132″][quote comment=”279129″][quote comment=”279126″][quote comment=”279117″]Are my eyes playing tricks on me, or is #7 wearing spikes with a swoosh on the bottom but different marking on the sides?[/quote]

    I believe that is Jose Reyes of the Mets and he wears Nike shoes.[/quote]

    if that game is from 2001, i don’t think that’s jose reyes…he wasn’t called up till 2003, and i don’t think the crew were playing the mets in that game[/quote]

    They’re Nikes. It’s just the angle. Logo on Reyes shoes has the same kind of funky distortion.[/quote]

    Ricko, this year, Reyes has been wearing cleats from various companies, mostly Nike, but Easton as well.

    Check this thread:
    http://niketalk.yuku...

    i know. Was talking about guy slding in Brewer throwback game, and the original ? about Nike on shoe bottom and maybe something else on side.

  • Nicole | July 9, 2008 at 5:15 pm |

    I actually thought the hat logo in this one was very cool and unique.

    http://espn.go.com/i...

  • LarenR | July 9, 2008 at 5:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”279178″][quote comment=”279173″][quote comment=”279170″]and the sleeve patch on this one is one of the best things i’ve ever seen:
    http://espn.go.com/i...
    [/quote]

    Couldn’t agree more – that’s amazing. The Nationals should adopt that immediately.[/quote]

    That sleeve patch was my favorite thing about the entire Nats design contest.[/quote]

    I always liked the “dc” Washington Monument Logo.

    http://espn.go.com/i...

    “Go Nads! … I mean Nats!”

  • LI Phil | July 9, 2008 at 5:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”279182″][quote comment=”279176″][quote comment=”279132″][quote comment=”279129″][quote comment=”279126″][quote comment=”279117″]Are my eyes playing tricks on me, or is #7 wearing spikes with a swoosh on the bottom but different marking on the sides?[/quote]

    I believe that is Jose Reyes of the Mets and he wears Nike shoes.[/quote]

    if that game is from 2001, i don’t think that’s jose reyes…he wasn’t called up till 2003, and i don’t think the crew were playing the mets in that game[/quote]

    They’re Nikes. It’s just the angle. Logo on Reyes shoes has the same kind of funky distortion.[/quote]

    Ricko, this year, Reyes has been wearing cleats from various companies, mostly Nike, but Easton as well.

    Check this thread:
    http://niketalk.yuku...

    i know. Was talking about guy slding in Brewer throwback game, and the original ? about Nike on shoe bottom and maybe something else on side.[/quote]

    that game was june 6, 2001…so find out who wore #7 on the reds that day, and im sure matt can track down his shoe

  • Tony Miller | July 9, 2008 at 5:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”279139″]Ooops, according to this company’s stats, OKC is 53rd.

    http://www.radio-med...

    Acutally, this is an interesting list[/quote]

    It’s different for TV and radio; that’s a radio list.

  • ALK | July 9, 2008 at 5:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”279167″]For the Detroit Auto Club you can also try Ivan “Ching” Johnson who played 10 games in ’45-’46 and 26 games in ’46-’47 for them. A little goes a long way….[/quote]

    Odd fact, but that Ivan “Ching” Johnson is actually not the hall of famer Ivan “Ching” Johnson who played for the Rangers. Look up Ivan Johnson in hockeydb.com – two results.

  • Ricko | July 9, 2008 at 5:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”279180″][quote comment=”279173″][quote comment=”279170″]and the sleeve patch on this one is one of the best things i’ve ever seen:
    http://espn.go.com/i...
    [/quote]

    Couldn’t agree more – that’s amazing. The Nationals should adopt that immediately.[/quote]

    I remember that from the original article. It’s not bad, but it made me think Pat Patriot hiked the football, and someone tossed him a baseball bat to swing instead.[/quote]

    Ah, phooey, I still think they shoulda taken a cue from the Buffalo Bills and called the team the Washington Irvings.

  • =bg= | July 9, 2008 at 5:30 pm |

    Dolphins will return to logo at midfield
    The Dolphins also are reversing plans and will return to their previous policy of placing their logo at midfield for their games, once the Marlins’ season is over. — Miami Herald

    (they’ll also try to win a couple games.)

  • Walaitis | July 9, 2008 at 5:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”279188″][quote comment=”279180″][quote comment=”279173″][quote comment=”279170″]and the sleeve patch on this one is one of the best things i’ve ever seen:
    http://espn.go.com/i...
    [/quote]

    Couldn’t agree more – that’s amazing. The Nationals should adopt that immediately.[/quote]

    I remember that from the original article. It’s not bad, but it made me think Pat Patriot hiked the football, and someone tossed him a baseball bat to swing instead.[/quote]

    Ah, phooey, I still think they shoulda taken a cue from the Buffalo Bills and called the team the Washington Irvings.[/quote]

    Which would have set them up nicely for their next relocation to Berlin!

  • mmwatkin | July 9, 2008 at 5:33 pm |

    Aw man, someone on the ESPN article recommended the new name for the OKC team be the “Bombers”

    Terrible (but i am mad i didn’t think of that sooner)

  • LI Phil | July 9, 2008 at 5:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”279189″]Dolphins will return to logo at midfield
    The Dolphins also are reversing plans and will return to their previous policy of placing their logo at midfield for their games, once the Marlins’ season is over. — Miami Herald

    (they’ll also try to win a couple games.)[/quote]

    baby steps

  • Ricko | July 9, 2008 at 5:40 pm |

    They’ll move the logo out there for Jason Taylor and Bill Parcells to dance on it.

    Not together, though.

  • Ricko | July 9, 2008 at 5:42 pm |

    Okay, back to uni talk. Guess not much changing in NFL this year or we’d have heard by now.

  • Mike | July 9, 2008 at 5:45 pm |

    Just leafed through my Mets yearbooks, 1984-88, and noticed no white-cleated Mets, All-Star or otherwise. The ’85 book did have the ’84 NL all-star team picture, but every Met except Strawberry had his legs hidden, and Strawberry appeared to be wearing blue. As close as I can get you: Gary Carter wore white in that picture. Obviously, he also wore an Expos jersey.

  • Paul Lukas | July 9, 2008 at 5:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”279194″]Okay, back to uni talk.[/quote]

    Have you noticed how often people are saying “OK, back to uni talk” or “Now back to the unis” or words to that effect lately?

    That, people, is a sign. A sign that discussion is veering waaaaaaay off-topic way too often around here. I’m not referring to anything today per se — I’m just saying let’s please try to stay on-topic. If you find yourself concluding a comment with “OK, now back to the uniforms,” it probably means the rest of the comment shouldn’t be posted in the first place.

    Thanks,
    Paul

  • David Stagg | July 9, 2008 at 5:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”279038″][quote comment=”279032″]Has it been discussed or explained before why the drug store Walgreens and the Washington Nationals have the same logo?

    Walgreens: http://allpharmacyjo...
    Nats:

    http://www.capitate....

    Kinda like a few years back Western Airlines spent a couple million bucks designing a new logo and ended up with basically the same thing that was on every Winnebago motorhome ever made.[/quote]

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t that actually the Washington Senators logo from before Walgreen’s lifted it?

    Also, Paul, does the design submission contest unofficially end when the new nickname, unis, and logo are announced by the NBA?

  • Steven | July 9, 2008 at 6:03 pm |

    I’m having trouble with this Oklahoma thing…every time I think of a color combination or name, I think of another NBA team with it. I was thinking Oklahoma Bison, but that’s too similar to Bulls. On uniforms I was thinking Orange, but then realized half the league has some sort of orange it seems. Black and silver is of ocurse the Spurs(and a likly Rival of sorts). At the end of the day, I don’t know what they should choose, but I know I’m not going to like it.

    My only recomendation: Oklahoma not Oklahoma City.

  • James Craven | July 9, 2008 at 6:09 pm |

    HFBoards just postyed the Iowa Chops uni template.

    Bites. Blows. Stinks. Sucks. Simultaniously.

    Especially with the color template…and they took down thae original poll on IowaChops.com.

    Even those in Iowa thought it bites, blows, stinks and sucks at the same time!

  • DawgFan | July 9, 2008 at 6:14 pm |

    For all the OKC haters, do you realize OKC has 1.2 million residents in the metro area? Tulsa (1.5 hours away) adds 900,000 and with gas the cheapest in the nation, we have no problem driving all over the state to watch OU, OSU and the NBA. The Bricktown area (where the Ford Center is) is one the best entertainment districts in the area. Don’t forget how well OKC supported the Hornets while they were in town.

    As for the team, I like black and gold colors with the nickname “Outlaws” (same as the USFL team in the mid 80’s), though Barons is ok too.

  • Mr. Met | July 9, 2008 at 6:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”279189″]Dolphins will return to logo at midfield
    The Dolphins also are reversing plans and will return to their previous policy of placing their logo at midfield for their games, once the Marlins’ season is over. — Miami Herald

    (they’ll also try to win a couple games.)[/quote]

    When will the Dolphins return to the teal pants? Seems like when Saban took over as head coach they just abandoned them and went white-white on the road as well as home. Or did it extend back to the Wannstedt regime? I know they wore teal pants under Jimmy Johnson.

    It’s odd that their home uniform should be teal tops with white pants and their road uni should be white tops with teal pants, and yet they almost exclusively use white-white (unless they’re on the road at a team like the Cowboys or Redskins that use white at home). Yes, I realize the “oppressive Miami weather” is the reason for the white-white at home, but still……

  • Giancarlo | July 9, 2008 at 6:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”279039″]
    I’ll say it again: there are NO powder blue 69 White Sox road uni’s. They only exist on baseball cards. Some people think the color on the cards is correct. I’m convinced it’s wrong.
    [/quote]

    Mightn’t the Sox have switched unis during the season?

  • Christopher | July 9, 2008 at 6:39 pm |

    I may be game to come up with an OKC design.

    Does anyone have a blank basketball uni template by chance?

  • Giancarlo | July 9, 2008 at 6:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”279201″]
    When will the Dolphins return to the teal pants? Seems like when Saban took over as head coach they just abandoned them and went white-white on the road as well as home. Or did it extend back to the Wannstedt regime? I know they wore teal pants under Jimmy Johnson.

    It’s odd that their home uniform should be teal tops with white pants and their road uni should be white tops with teal pants, and yet they almost exclusively use white-white (unless they’re on the road at a team like the Cowboys or Redskins that use white at home). Yes, I realize the “oppressive Miami weather” is the reason for the white-white at home, but still……[/quote]
    Please, no teal pants. Or aqua, which is what they really were. Nature intended the Dolphins to wear white-on-white except when unusual circumstances dictate they wear aqua jerseys with white pants. Look at film of the 1972 team: that’s how they’re supposed to look. Calling their aqua-on-white ensemble their “home uniform” is just confusing semantics. They wear white jerseys at home, just like the Cowboys and Redskins.

  • Christopher | July 9, 2008 at 6:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”279202″][quote comment=”279039″]
    I’ll say it again: there are NO powder blue 69 White Sox road uni’s. They only exist on baseball cards. Some people think the color on the cards is correct. I’m convinced it’s wrong.
    [/quote]

    Mightn’t the Sox have switched unis during the season?[/quote]

    The Sox went to a grey-ish uniform (same design as the power blues) in 1969 and 1970. So I’m sure the 1969 cards had tons of images of players wearing 1968 unis.

  • J Excel | July 9, 2008 at 6:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”279039″] Some people think the color on the cards is correct. I’m convinced it’s wrong.

    Hey JExcel – hope you sleep well tonight, now that I’ve dismissed the horrible tales of powder blue coming from the dark north woods. So your 69 M&N – I’m sure the front is great, but did they get the back right? Should look like this:
    http://i213.photobuc...

    You sir, made my day!
    sorry for the delayed THANK YOU coming your way, a busy day at the office.

    indeed, your research is spot on – and I’m appreciative.
    I wasn’t so much claiming that the 69 and 70 (road unis) were baby blue, I always found them to look gray, with possibly a tint of light blue.
    I’m more ecstatic that you’ve shown they colors really “didn’t” change in 1970 and certainly were not NAVY (dark)! phew.

    My M&N 1969 road jersey certainly doesn’t have the name on back – so in that regard it’s “flawed”.
    but for fun I will take a close up photo of the material color and post tonight, or tomorrow.

    until then
    Go Go Sox !

  • Giancarlo | July 9, 2008 at 6:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”279205″]
    I’m sure the 1969 cards had tons of images of players wearing 1968 unis.[/quote]

    This is indisputable. But the disagreement is really over 1970 cards, pics taken in 1969, that appear to show powder blue yet may be color-distorted as Michael Emody asserts. Plus Ricko’s eyewitness testimony about seeing powder blue in ’69.

  • Christopher | July 9, 2008 at 7:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”279207″][quote comment=”279205″]
    I’m sure the 1969 cards had tons of images of players wearing 1968 unis.[/quote]

    This is indisputable. But the disagreement is really over 1970 cards, pics taken in 1969, that appear to show powder blue yet may be color-distorted as Michael Emody asserts. Plus Ricko’s eyewitness testimony about seeing powder blue in ’69.[/quote]

    Gotcha. Sorry, didn’t read everything here (224 posts today!)

    I’d be willing to bet back in the late ’60s early ’70s many cards showed photos that were 2+ years old. Lower-level players and the like.

  • Walaitis | July 9, 2008 at 7:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”279207″][quote comment=”279205″]
    I’m sure the 1969 cards had tons of images of players wearing 1968 unis.[/quote]

    This is indisputable. But the disagreement is really over 1970 cards, pics taken in 1969, that appear to show powder blue yet may be color-distorted as Michael Emody asserts. Plus Ricko’s eyewitness testimony about seeing powder blue in ’69.[/quote]

    But what person’s recollections from the 1960s can EVER be trusted as, um, how shall we say, “untainted”? (maybe he misremembered)

  • MPowers1634 | July 9, 2008 at 7:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”279182″][quote comment=”279176″][quote comment=”279132″][quote comment=”279129″][quote comment=”279126″][quote comment=”279117″]Are my eyes playing tricks on me, or is #7 wearing spikes with a swoosh on the bottom but different marking on the sides?[/quote]

    I believe that is Jose Reyes of the Mets and he wears Nike shoes.[/quote]

    if that game is from 2001, i don’t think that’s jose reyes…he wasn’t called up till 2003, and i don’t think the crew were playing the mets in that game[/quote]

    They’re Nikes. It’s just the angle. Logo on Reyes shoes has the same kind of funky distortion.[/quote]

    Ricko, this year, Reyes has been wearing cleats from various companies, mostly Nike, but Easton as well.

    Check this thread:
    http://niketalk.yuku...

    i know. Was talking about guy slding in Brewer throwback game, and the original ? about Nike on shoe bottom and maybe something else on side.[/quote]

    According to the Baseball Almanac, #7 of the Reds was journeyman outfielder Alex Ochoa.

    http://news.bbc.co.u...

    Here he is at bat for the Reds, whom he only
    played with in 2001, wearing the Nike Air Zoom Clipper, a very popular lowtop cleat complete with the extended tongue/brushguard that might have obscured the end of the swooshs. Here Mariano Rivera is wearing said cleat, one of the last MLBers to do so!

    http://www.hotstovep...

    He now plays in Japan, for the Hiroshima Toyo Cart, where he still wears the swoosh!

    http://www.japantime...

  • MPowers1634 | July 9, 2008 at 7:16 pm |

    Sorry, Toyo Carp…I didn’t want to get onto the s%#* list of Jeremy Brahm or Mark in Shiga!

  • Giancarlo | July 9, 2008 at 7:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”279208″]
    I’d be willing to bet back in the late ’60s early ’70s many cards showed photos that were 2+ years old. Lower-level players and the like.[/quote]

    True also, but the cards in question clearly show the ’69 MLB sleeve patch.

    Walaitis, are you a defense attorney? The question is really whether Ricko’s recollections are “untinted.”

  • MPowers1634 | July 9, 2008 at 7:26 pm |
  • LarenR | July 9, 2008 at 7:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”279213″]Reyes in Eastons against the Giants:

    http://i258.photobuc...

    [/quote]

    When did the Giants start wearing “Washington” across their chest?

  • Tony Miller | July 9, 2008 at 7:37 pm |

    Totally off-topic (but still uni-related):
    T-shirt jersey or poor undershirt enforcement?

  • Tony Miller | July 9, 2008 at 7:39 pm |

    Oops…try this link:
    http://farm1.static....

  • AJ | July 9, 2008 at 7:44 pm |

    I have been searching the page 2 archives for more submissions from the nationals design contest but can’t find them anywhere. if anyone could help please do so

  • MPowers1634 | July 9, 2008 at 7:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”279214″][quote comment=”279213″]Reyes in Eastons against the Giants:

    http://i258.photobuc...

    [/quote]

    When did the Giants start wearing “Washington” across their chest?[/quote]

    My mistake…I looked too quickly! The shoes had me distracted.

    BTW, here he is this past Mother’s Day, wearing pink accented Eastons. He does in fact usually wear sick Nike PE’s.

    http://bp1.blogger.c...

  • LarenR | July 9, 2008 at 7:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”279217″]I have been searching the page 2 archives for more submissions from the nationals design contest but can’t find them anywhere. if anyone could help please do so[/quote]

    Here ya go:
    http://sports.espn.g...

  • […] http://www.uniwatchb... Quote: […]

  • Stevo | July 9, 2008 at 8:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”279156″][quote comment=”279148″]Des Moines’ AHL franchise unveiled their new name/logo this afternoon….

    link[/quote]

    Absolutely the worst name in the history of hockey, and the press statement was a load of BS. Iowa’s AHL should have their membership revoked over this idiotic idea of a name.[/quote]

    At least they didn’t call the team the Ducks. It’s more fun to root for a local team name than a team named after another team a thousand miles away. And they’re already hooked up with the Iowa Pork Producers for sponsorship.

  • Ricko | July 9, 2008 at 8:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”279205″][quote comment=”279202″][quote comment=”279039″]
    I’ll say it again: there are NO powder blue 69 White Sox road uni’s. They only exist on baseball cards. Some people think the color on the cards is correct. I’m convinced it’s wrong.
    [/quote]

    Mightn’t the Sox have switched unis during the season?[/quote]

    The Sox went to a grey-ish uniform (same design as the power blues) in 1969 and 1970. So I’m sure the 1969 cards had tons of images of players wearing 1968 unis.[/quote]

    Of course they did, but the ’68 Sox had Navy hats with the square S on the hat logo, and Navy letters and numbers edged in white on the road. ’69 hats, sleeves, etc. hats were Royal. Both ’69 and ’70 road lettering and numbers were white on the road. Hard to mistake either ’69 or ’70 for ’68.

    In the past couple days someone here at U-W has said they have a ’69 road jersey that is a blue that could be mistaken for gray. And that’s what I’ve said…a very light blue not even as obvious as they’d worn in ’68, and certainly nothing as intense as the double knit blue that came along in ’71. And it was different from all the other road unis in the league, which (except for the A’s) were gray.

    Yes, they certainly may have switched sometime in ’69.

    But 1969 was my ninth year watching American League road uniforms in person, and what I saw ealry was a muted version of their previous blue in ’69 and return to gray (with Navy instead of Royal) in ’70.

    Everyone here who has sat 15 feet from an entire team wearing the ’69 road uni, and then again in ’70, raise their hand.

    Anyone else?

    Gonna say this one more time. White Sox wore four different uniforms in four years (’68, ’69, ’70 and ’71).

    Here at Dressed to Nines…’69 is detailed right, but colors wrong. Was Royal and white, with light blue road unis.

    Even the Cooperstown sites sell a Royal blue hat, but they say was 68-69. Some think those years were Royal, some think Navy. What no one seems to grasp is that they are BOTH right. Royal one year; Navy the next. And that’s where the confusion comes in.

  • Ricko | July 9, 2008 at 8:36 pm |

    I might add (smile) anyone who sat 15 feet from them specifically to see what the hell color they WERE?

  • Ricko | July 9, 2008 at 8:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”279223″]I might add (smile) anyone who sat 15 feet from them specifically to see what the hell color they WERE?[/quote]

    One more thought. I remember sitting there thinking something like, “Of COURSE they wouldn’t go to gray. The royal alone is enough like the Cubs, gray unis would have been TOO much, so they kept a bit of the trademark powder that Veeck had pioneered in the first place.”

  • Ricko | July 9, 2008 at 8:44 pm |

    Also, guys, I was 22 years old at the time, and had been identifying uni colors, etc., since I was 10.

  • Ricko | July 9, 2008 at 8:47 pm |

    Ooops. forgot link.
    http://exhibits.base...

  • Ricko | July 9, 2008 at 8:55 pm |

    Find a Cub card where the color of the hat registers this kind of blue. There isn’t enough green in royal blue for it to track as this shade, and still have the skin tones be so accurate…especially slightly red the way they are. Color photograhy and color separations just don’t behave that way.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

  • Ricko | July 9, 2008 at 8:58 pm |

    Look at how pink his face is, yet the hat and sleeves still track as obviously royal blue.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

  • Ricko | July 9, 2008 at 9:00 pm |

    Cubbie logo, I meant. Obviously a navy windbreaker.

    Same points about THIS card.
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

  • Ricko | July 9, 2008 at 9:18 pm |

    Nice large scan of this. Is ’70 cuz black mourning band and no anniversary patch…and white stirrups, of course.
    Slightly grenish tone in sanitaries.
    Runner’s sleeves and helmet seem same color as McCraw’s hat and sleeves.
    Sox uni is gray.
    Baserunner in pins. Has to be Indians or Yankees cuz isn’t Met Stadium. Can’t be Brewers or Royals, who wore royal, either, cuz they didn’t wear pins in ’70.
    Conclusion: Both teams wearing Navy.
    (This is how we had to do it when most people still had B&W TV and ESPN was still years away).

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

  • ThGoodKid | July 9, 2008 at 9:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”279032″]Has it been discussed or explained before why the drug store Walgreens and the Washington Nationals have the same logo?

    Walgreens: http://allpharmacyjo...
    Nats:

    http://www.capitate....

    They are different…the left side of Walgreens ‘W’ goes straight out while the Nationals ‘W’ curves down. Also the middle loop in the Nationals ‘W’ is bigger

  • gopherboy | July 9, 2008 at 9:33 pm |

    New Cubs pitcher Rich Harden will be wearing #40. Pitching coach Larry Rothschild, who previously wore the number will now be wearing #50.

  • Ricko | July 9, 2008 at 10:20 pm |

    One thing I have always wondered about was how White Sox fans felt about going to Royal Blue like the Cubs.

    And this gets more convoluted the more we dig.

    The navy hat on the cover of SI’s baseball issue certainly is NOT royal blue. It is is NOT a ’68 hat, cuz the “S” is wrong; it’s the logo that didn’t appear til ’69.

    Is it possible the White Sox decided during Spring Training in ’70 to yield to fan pressure and switch to Navy when their second set of regular season unis came in? So…they made sure SI got one of those protoype hats for the cover, but began ’70 with the Royal blues. It’s twisted and goofy, but it would explain the differences in everyone’s recollections, as well as the obviously navy Tommy John, Ed Hermann and Tommy McCraw cards. You won’t find a Cub card with blue as dark as that John game-action card.

    Plus, I know for a fact my ’70 in-person view of the Sox unis was NOT early cuz I was away in the Army the first half of the season.

    What I’m saying is, under that kind of during-season change scenario (which did happen occasionally back then) we’d ALL be right. Remember that in ’63 the A’s changed fabric and went from “ATHLETICS” to “A’s” during the season, they changed strirrups at least once in ’67, the Angels added the halo to their hats after the ’61 season began (I saw them in person to check out their new unis; I’d have noticed the damned halo), the White Sox went to white stirrups for the World Series in ’59, the stripes on the White Sox kneehighs with the “pajama tops” of the late 70s changed ALL the time, the Pirates went to their mustard hats and doubleknits when Three Rivers opened during the season…and so on.

    So maybe, given what had to be the Sox fans’ aversion to Royal blue…everyone’s right.

    I could accept that because there sure seems to be evidence on both sides. I mean, Okkonen and Dressed to Nines miss a lot of stuff, but they didn’t pull Navy out of thin air, and they know the difference between the colors….especially when so many sources should have told them Royal.

    I just know I saw weird white stirrups with two different color hats and sanitaries, and one of them was the same color as the Twins…cuz they were playing each other. Right there in front me.

  • Michael Emody | July 9, 2008 at 10:27 pm |

    Decisions, decisions…
    http://i213.photobuc...

    Wish we could find a blue one, Ricko. It would look great.

  • Ricko | July 9, 2008 at 10:33 pm |

    Also, on ebay I’ve seen 1970 White Sox yearbook, and it’s inconclusive. The cover is a painting. But, as an artist, I’ll tell you if the artist was going for Royal, he messed up. The blue is very, very dark. But still not definitely one or the other.

    I just know hey wore Navy at least at SOME time during ’70. Royal and Navy look vastly different on b&w TV, so I went to a game to check for sure. Yup, they’d changed from when I’d seen them the previous season. They didn’t look like the Cubs anymore.

  • Ricko | July 9, 2008 at 10:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”279235″]Also, on ebay I’ve seen 1970 White Sox yearbook, and it’s inconclusive. The cover is a painting. But, as an artist, I’ll tell you if the artist was going for Royal, he messed up. The blue is very, very dark. But still not definitely one or the other.

    I just know hey wore Navy at least at SOME time during ’70. Royal and Navy look vastly different on b&w TV, so I went to a game to check for sure. Yup, they’d changed from when I’d seen them the previous season. They didn’t look like the Cubs anymore.[/quote]
    [quote comment=”279234″]Decisions, decisions…
    http://i213.photobuc...

    Wish we could find a blue one, Ricko. It would look great.[/quote]

    The guy with the website with all the Reds stuff has a photo of a real one, (a ’69, I think) not a re-creation. Don’t have it bookmarked, but found it when googling “Ted Kluszewski” one time.

  • Ricko | July 9, 2008 at 10:46 pm |

    And again, is slightly blue. Different from gray other teams wore. Maybe best to say blue “tinted”..even compared to their prior obviously powder blue roads. The 70’s, though, were the same gray as everyone else. If you’re looking for, “Wow, that’s powder blue”…you won’t find it.

  • Ricko | July 9, 2008 at 10:59 pm |

    Swell. Here it is. Next to others looks slightly blue, doesn’t it.
    He says ’70, though. And looks like royal trim…which makes Okkonen wrong about powder AND about Royal.
    But no anniversary patch OR mourning band to give us a clue.
    So we’re back again (given that SI cover, those cards and my analyzing eyes on hand specifically TO analyze) to asking, did they perhaps begin ’70 in ’69 unis and switch sometime after season started?

    ARRRRRGH.

  • Ricko | July 9, 2008 at 11:02 pm |

    What a dork. Here’s the link.
    http://www.crosley-f...

  • Michael Emody | July 9, 2008 at 11:03 pm |

    Yes, I’ve seen the Kluszewski/Reds site. I’m pretty sure the guy is the same Dave that writes for the Mears site:
    http://www.mearsonli...
    which is pretty cool.
    Ok, here we go:
    http://www.crosley-f...
    Thing of beauty. Signing off for now…

  • Ricko | July 9, 2008 at 11:28 pm |

    Well, Distant Replay has a ’69 royal White Sox hat.
    http://www.distantre...

  • Ricko | July 9, 2008 at 11:40 pm |

    I frickin’ LOVED IT when the White Sox wore these stirrups for ’59 World Series.

    http://www.whitesoxi...

  • Forbesy | July 9, 2008 at 11:42 pm |

    Why was Elton Brand introduced in today’s press conference with a throwback? Is it because Shav Randolph wears #42 in the regular jersey? Or are the Sixers teasing us with these?

  • Steven | July 10, 2008 at 12:00 am |

    New Bolton home kit. Looks like crap. Reebok get rid of their logos?

    http://www.bwfc.prem...,,1004~1340338,00.html

  • LarenR | July 10, 2008 at 12:26 am |

    [quote comment=\”279244\”]New Bolton home kit. Looks like crap. Reebok get rid of their logos?

    http://www.bwfc.prem...,,1004~1340338,00.html[/quote]

    So is Reebok the sponsor as well as the uni designer, or is the logo just totally out of control? And what\’s up with the club logo? It looks like sperm going at an egg:
    http://www.bwfc.prem...

  • u2-horn | July 10, 2008 at 12:39 am |

    [quote comment=”279157″][quote comment=”279155″][quote comment=”279140″]after all, nike’s have a DIFFERENT NUMBER of vents…did kellog patent a 4 vent, a 5 vent or a 6 vent cap??? well, nike’s is different[/quote]

    No, they both have 4 vents.[/quote]

    well i was just going by what is in the article, which states:

    The Kellogg design has a button on top, and Nike’s does not; Kellogg’s cap has five panels, whereas Nike’s has six; and the stitching was different.[/quote]

    A vent is not a panel :D

  • Steven | July 10, 2008 at 1:07 am |

    [quote comment=”279245″][quote comment=”279244″]New Bolton home kit. Looks like crap. Reebok get rid of their logos?

    http://www.bwfc.prem...,,1004~1340338,00.html[/quote]

    So is Reebok the sponsor as well as the uni designer, or is the logo just totally out of control? And what\’s up with the club logo? It looks like sperm going at an egg:
    http://www.bwfc.prem...

    Reebok is the jersey Sponsor. Bolton plays at the Reebok stadium, and Reebok was founded in Bolton.

  • terrance wright | July 10, 2008 at 1:49 am |

    I THINK THE NEW TEAM IN OKLAHOMA CITY SHOULD BE CALLED THE OKLAHOMA CITY HONEY OR BLACK BEES, WITH THE BLACK YELLOW AND WHITE UNIFORM COLOR SCHEME. LET ME KNOW WHAT U THINK!

  • svh | July 10, 2008 at 2:17 am |

    i think you should not use all caps.

  • shadeymonk | July 10, 2008 at 2:19 am |

    [quote comment=”279243″]Why was Elton Brand introduced in today’s press conference with a throwback? Is it because Shav Randolph wears #42 in the regular jersey? Or are the Sixers teasing us with these?[/quote]

    I’d like to know too

  • James Craven | July 10, 2008 at 2:28 am |

    Mr. Randolph will have to get another number. Brand will wear #42.

  • chance | July 10, 2008 at 9:26 am |

    [quote comment=”279178″][quote comment=”279173″][quote comment=”279170″]and the sleeve patch on this one is one of the best things i’ve ever seen:
    http://espn.go.com/i...
    [/quote]

    Couldn’t agree more – that’s amazing. The Nationals should adopt that immediately.[/quote]

    That sleeve patch was my favorite thing about the entire Nats design contest.[/quote]

    And the beauty of that logo is that it can be used with virtually any design – it’d even work with their current uniforms.

    C’mon, Nats – do the right thing.

  • josh | July 10, 2008 at 10:39 am |

    [quote comment=”279222″][quote comment=”279205″][quote comment=”279202″][quote comment=”279039″]
    I’ll say it again: there are NO powder blue 69 White Sox road uni’s. They only exist on baseball cards. Some people think the color on the cards is correct. I’m convinced it’s wrong.
    [/quote]

    Mightn’t the Sox have switched unis during the season?[/quote]

    The Sox went to a grey-ish uniform (same design as the power blues) in 1969 and 1970. So I’m sure the 1969 cards had tons of images of players wearing 1968 unis.[/quote]

    Of course they did, but the ’68 Sox had Navy hats with the square S on the hat logo, and Navy letters and numbers edged in white on the road. ’69 hats, sleeves, etc. hats were Royal. Both ’69 and ’70 road lettering and numbers were white on the road. Hard to mistake either ’69 or ’70 for ’68.

    In the past couple days someone here at U-W has said they have a ’69 road jersey that is a blue that could be mistaken for gray. And that’s what I’ve said…a very light blue not even as obvious as they’d worn in ’68, and certainly nothing as intense as the double knit blue that came along in ’71. And it was different from all the other road unis in the league, which (except for the A’s) were gray.

    Yes, they certainly may have switched sometime in ’69.

    But 1969 was my ninth year watching American League road uniforms in person, and what I saw ealry was a muted version of their previous blue in ’69 and return to gray (with Navy instead of Royal) in ’70.

    Everyone here who has sat 15 feet from an entire team wearing the ’69 road uni, and then again in ’70, raise their hand.

    Anyone else?

    Gonna say this one more time. White Sox wore four different uniforms in four years (’68, ’69, ’70 and ’71).

    Here at Dressed to Nines…’69 is detailed right, but colors wrong. Was Royal and white, with light blue road unis.

    Even the Cooperstown sites sell a Royal blue hat, but they say was 68-69. Some think those years were Royal, some think Navy. What no one seems to grasp is that they are BOTH right. Royal one year; Navy the next. And that’s where the confusion comes in.[/quote]

    Actually, I think the Sox wore five different unis in five years (68-72). ’71 was the year they busted out the powder blue and red, but in’71 they were flannel. In ’72 the design remained unchanged, but they switched to double-knit.

  • JP | July 10, 2008 at 12:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”278996″]The “U” will be on the field when U of M plays at Dolphins stadium but only after the Marlins’ season concludes. So, they will have 2 football teams and baseball team all playing at the same place. Has that been done before? Chargers, Aztecs, Padres at Jack Murphy?

    http://www.orlandose...

    The Louisiana Superdome has had two football teams (Saints, Tulane) and a basketball team (Jazz) in the same building in one season.

    They’ve also had Tulane baseball, but not as a full-time tenant (second paragraph):

    http://www.signonsan...

  • Deemer | July 10, 2008 at 12:39 pm |

    I recall that the Bucco yearbook of 1976 was covered with red and white stipes and had Yosemite Sam on the cover. Gerner did not start with the Pirates until 1977.