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Throw(them)-back

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There’s been much discussion and praise tossed around in these parts during the great baseball throwback siege of 2008. It started with the Cubs and Braves on Thursday, followed with the Orioles and Giants on Friday, and peaked dizzyingly on Saturday with the Indians and Padres. Whee!

But it’s time to stop now. Not the praise — if that floats your boat, go for it. It’s time to stop the throwbacks if they’re going to be done like this. Or like this. Or even like this. The colors and fonts and hats and everything may be right, but until the uniforms are cut properly, it’s just a different costume. The point of the “throwback” is to display an old look. This isn’t old, it’s sloppy. This, for example, is a throwback. This is not. Tighten the pants and jerseys, get those cuffs up — not like this — and show some stirrup. And quit whining about comfort. Polyester on 90-degree days is uncomfortable no matter how it’s cut. Deal with it.

Now get off my lawn, you damn kids! — Bryan

 

67 comments to Throw(them)-back

  • James Craven | June 15, 2008 at 7:43 am |

    DAMN IT, BRYAN!

    Stop taking LI Phil’s line!

  • Ricko | June 15, 2008 at 8:03 am |

    Continuing yesterday for a moment: Giants wore orange sanis only on the road and only with white shoes. So white sanis with black shoes at home was totally correct…for any year they wore those orange shirts.

    re: Padres/Indians. Both teams in white pants also correct. Depending on the year, Padres wore only white or light gold pants, home or road, with that jersey.

    Too bad the players thought stirrups were “uncomfortable.” Awww, poor babies. We will now all read “The Princess and the Pea.” To them, I mean.

    What a shame they’re too cool to have fun with it. Back when the Rangers hosted the Twins for an early 60’s TBTC, Twins players went to then-coach Wayne Terwilliger, who gave them a clubhouse primer on stirrups and the proper blousing of pants (which were accurately cut, btw). As a result, they all looked great and there was a real “time machine” feel to the game. Then again, that team did have Dave Winfield and Kirby Puckett who, god forbid, actually had fun playing baseball.

    And again, can we stop picking on visiting teams who don’t wear throwbacks? Place the blame where it most likely really belongs…on the home team for not ponying up for the visitors’ duds, too. Visitors deserve to be whacked only if they’re offered the gear and refuse it.

    Note from College World Series. Miami was wearing their whites with “U” logo and number stacked on left chest (which looks dopey, but that’s another subject). As a result, Jemile Weeks’ jersey said “U2.”

    Bono must be SO proud.

  • re byrnes | June 15, 2008 at 9:01 am |

    how players wear their uniforms — and by implication the uniforms’ cut — is completely different from the uniforms’ color, logo, etc. then and now, it’s the players who specify how big or small they prefer their uniforms to be. insisting that a “true throwback” must embody the tighter uniform preferences of the era from which the old uniforms come is essentially the same thing as insisting that a throwback uniform is incomplete unless everyone also adopts the same hair style as prevailed at the time of the old uniforms.

    the giants’ orange uniforms looked fine. but pointing out how crappy the padres current helmets looked with the throwback uniforms would have been a far better use of time than this tiresome rant about how the various uniforms were too baggy, (and who, by the way, would enforce your preferred stirrup-wearing style?)

  • Tim | June 15, 2008 at 9:17 am |

    I’d be pretty upset if throwback nights stopped altogether because a few details could not be accurately matched to the original look.

  • Ricko | June 15, 2008 at 9:17 am |

    I’d never say anything had to be “enforced”. I just think it’s too bad that players don’t get into the spirit of things…at least a little…cuz I guess it sort of indicates that the entire “history” element of TBTC is lost on them.

    And that’s what’s really too bad, that they appear to have so little feel for anything outside themselves, that apparently they’ve never been “fans” of the game they play. Lord knows many of them seem to know very little about it.

    SI once reported that Don Mattingly was surprised to learn that Babe Ruth was a real person. “I thought he was cartoon,” Mattingly was quoted as saying.

  • Ricko | June 15, 2008 at 9:24 am |

    re: Helmets. Some teams do alter their helmets for TBTC, so I guess the reason we notice is we have something for comparison.

    Doesn’t bother me much; I figure changing helmets isn’t so much an expense issue as it is a pain…repainting one of the helmets that a player prefers to wear…and then painting it back again (times the number of players involved).

    Nothing’s perfect. Just nice when they come as close as they can, that’s all.

  • Matt Beahan | June 15, 2008 at 10:54 am |

    Of course, the Lakers took this to extremes earlier this season with the short shorts…

    Of course, they looked ridiculous with the baggy jerseys, but that’s a grumble for another time.

  • Patrick | June 15, 2008 at 10:57 am |

    Here’s a fun site for anyone who collects baseball sundae helmets! Happy Father’s Day!

    http://elichtenberg....

  • LI Phil | June 15, 2008 at 11:07 am |

    14?

    ….

    now…in re the throwbacks…i’ve thought about it, and i’ll save you all from a cranky old-man (im 42, im a man) rant…(well, one that would have been three times as long as what follows, anyway)

    there are two things that piss me off more than anything about uniforms, the first of which is that they, especially nowadays, aren’t…the other is that oftentimes todays unis (and im talking only about baseball here) offend my OCD…

    point #1…it’s a goddam uniform…no matter how crazy, staid or garish…please, PLEASE…make every effort to look UNIFORM…either ALL wear stirrups or don’t…either all wear baggy pants, bloused perfectly and showing sock…or don’t…i’d rather 25 guys look like cecil’s son than 25 individual showboats stylin’…i’d even rather have 25 flatbrimmed 3930’s than a mish-mash of “look at me” guys (i would, in a prefect world of course, prefer this of course)

    as to #2…which feeds off number one…it’s a UNIFORM…so please…try to make the uniform UNIFORM…stop with the softball tops and mis-matched pants…and STOP THE MODERN HELMETS with the throwbacks…stop the retrophobia

    i loved what the fathers did yesterday, but the helmets SUCKED and i really wish they had worn the mustard pants they did have with that year’s uni…it may have looked horrible back then, or even now…but goddamit, it was uniform…the softball tops they emplyed, especially with the white AWAY pants…didn’t like that then, don’t like it now…it was authentic, but it doesn’t make it more uniform…

    off soapbox now, rant over

    bryan, you can stay on my lawn…the rest of you kids…

  • Bryan Redemske | June 15, 2008 at 11:23 am |

    [quote comment=”275643″] (and who, by the way, would enforce your preferred stirrup-wearing style?)[/quote]

    Nothing needs to be enforced if players are given pants of the proper length. Melvin Mora looks like crap because he probably whined until they gave him long pants. If there’s no long option available, players can’t wear them. See the Cubs and Braves on this one.

  • Brent | June 15, 2008 at 11:40 am |

    i like the throwbacks and don’t really care that the players are wearing them baggy. now you can tear me apart. also, who, exactly, is li phil?

  • Christopher | June 15, 2008 at 12:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”275645″]And that’s what’s really too bad, that they appear to have so little feel for anything outside themselves, that apparently they’ve never been “fans” of the game they play. Lord knows many of them seem to know very little about it.
    [/quote]

    This is very true. I’ve heard many times over that your typical player (grown up in America or not) has very little appreciation/knowledge of baseball history.

    I still don’t understand why MLB doesn’t enforce certain restrictions. The NBA does a pretty good job of it merely for the look of the game- which IS marketing.

  • Nate Gruz | June 15, 2008 at 12:46 pm |

    God forbid the players wear uniforms the way they feel the best and therefore they can compete the best in. It’s only the way they make all their money. And the reason why we watch. Nope, let’s put the uniforms before the game and the players’ performances.

    Seriously, if Manny Ramirez doesn’t feel comfortable wearing his pants cuffed, then I want him wearing long pants. The uniform shouldn’t be a distraction.

  • KT | June 15, 2008 at 1:01 pm |

    God, we whine a lot about throwbacks.

    I want my free beer in a frosted mug, damn you!

  • KT | June 15, 2008 at 1:01 pm |

    A FROSTED MUG!

  • =bg= | June 15, 2008 at 1:06 pm |

    gonna order one of these in white:
    http://www.cowboyson...

    and wanted one in blue, too- but no thanks. roger didn’t wear that style jersey. eh, sloppy, Cowboys, sloppy.

  • Marcus from B-More | June 15, 2008 at 1:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”275653″]God forbid the players wear uniforms the way they feel the best and therefore they can compete the best in. It’s only the way they make all their money. And the reason why we watch. Nope, let’s put the uniforms before the game and the players’ performances.

    Seriously, if Manny Ramirez doesn’t feel comfortable wearing his pants cuffed, then I want him wearing long pants. The uniform shouldn’t be a distraction.[/quote]

    this guy looks pretty comfy to me
    http://baseball-feve...

    it just all depends on the era. it went from loose to tight to lose to tight
    http://www.blackbets...
    http://artfiles.art....

  • Tony In Erie | June 15, 2008 at 1:32 pm |

    Could it possibly be that these “non-conforming” players are giving the proverbial finger to the business of baseball? We all know that the purpose of these throwback nights is to be able to sell more jerseys.

    Maybe the players that have baggy uniforms are actually making a statement…. ?

    (I know, its a bad argument, but is it possible, my unificient friends?)

  • Bryan Redemske | June 15, 2008 at 1:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”275653″]God forbid the players wear uniforms the way they feel the best and therefore they can compete the best in. It’s only the way they make all their money. And the reason why we watch. Nope, let’s put the uniforms before the game and the players’ performances.

    Seriously, if Manny Ramirez doesn’t feel comfortable wearing his pants cuffed, then I want him wearing long pants. The uniform shouldn’t be a distraction.[/quote]

    Please. I have zero sympathy for .260 hitters who make $8 million a year. If they were making sandwiches at Subway, and different uniforms somehow affected their frozen bread-heating ability, you’d be onto something. But “the only way they make all their money”? The average MLB salary is over $2 million per year. That must be a bitch. Save the pajamas for the other 161 games.

  • LI Phil | June 15, 2008 at 1:47 pm |

    [quote]who, exactly, is li phil?[/quote]

    that’s between me and my therapist

    but seriously, if you’re asking about the “LI” part…it’s for “lon gisland”…the festering carbuncle on the buttocks of new york, and on which i reside…and i apologize to all the carbuncles out there that may take offense to that statement

    happy dad’s day to everyone…so pumped for all the light blue affectations we’ll be seeing on the diamond today

  • LI Phil | June 15, 2008 at 2:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”275658″]Could it possibly be that these “non-conforming” players are giving the proverbial finger to the business of baseball? Maybe the players that have baggy uniforms are actually making a statement…. ?[/quote]

    or maybe they’re just giving the proverbial finger to everyone who’s not them

    after all, if you’re uniform doesn’t say “look at me” who will…especially of you’re a .260 hitter making $8M?

    /it’s actually a good argument, tony, im not looking to start a fight…i just think you’re giving the ‘modern’ player WAAAAYYYYY too much credit for having a brain social conscience

  • LI Phil | June 15, 2008 at 2:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”275661″]Could it possibly be that these “non-conforming” players are giving the proverbial finger to the business of baseball? Maybe the players that have baggy uniforms are actually making a statement…. ?[/quote]

    or maybe they’re just giving the proverbial finger to everyone who’s not them

    after all, if you’re uniform doesn’t say “look at me” who will…especially IF you’re a .226 hitter making $8M?

    /it’s actually a good argument, tony, im not looking to start a fight…i just think you’re giving the ‘modern’ player WAAAAYYYYY too much credit for having a brain social conscience

    (fixed)

  • interlockingtc | June 15, 2008 at 2:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”275654″]God, we whine a lot about throwbacks.

    I want my free beer in a frosted mug, damn you![/quote]
    If we can’t whine about throwbacks here, then we where can we?

  • doug | June 15, 2008 at 2:31 pm |

    the pads actually did have a uniform that was brown with white pants – 1978 road unis. the helmet is pathetic, but it’s the padres, and this year they are a pathetic franchise. (i’m from san diego, i’ve suffered through worse, but still.)

    as for complaining that the cut is too baggy – that’s stupid. the point is not to model the clothes, it’s to model the colors, the fonts, the design. i am definitely picky when it comes to uniform stuff, but let’s face it – the giants nailed it. the did a perfect recreation of the old unis.

    whining that the cut is not right says more about the person whining than it does about the effort the giants made.

  • interlockingtc | June 15, 2008 at 2:32 pm |

    If we can’t make typographical errors here, then where can we?

  • Jack | June 15, 2008 at 2:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”275649″]14?

    ….

    now…in re the throwbacks…i’ve thought about it, and i’ll save you all from a cranky old-man (im 42, im a man) rant…(well, one that would have been three times as long as what follows, anyway)

    there are two things that piss me off more than anything about uniforms, the first of which is that they, especially nowadays, aren’t…the other is that oftentimes todays unis (and im talking only about baseball here) offend my OCD…

    point #1…it’s a goddam uniform…no matter how crazy, staid or garish…please, PLEASE…make every effort to look UNIFORM…either ALL wear stirrups or don’t…either all wear baggy pants, bloused perfectly and showing sock…or don’t…i’d rather 25 guys look like cecil’s son than 25 individual showboats stylin’…i’d even rather have 25 flatbrimmed 3930’s than a mish-mash of “look at me” guys (i would, in a prefect world of course, prefer this of course)

    as to #2…which feeds off number one…it’s a UNIFORM…so please…try to make the uniform UNIFORM…stop with the softball tops and mis-matched pants…and STOP THE MODERN HELMETS with the throwbacks…stop the retrophobia

    i loved what the fathers did yesterday, but the helmets SUCKED and i really wish they had worn the mustard pants they did have with that year’s uni…it may have looked horrible back then, or even now…but goddamit, it was uniform…the softball tops they emplyed, especially with the white AWAY pants…didn’t like that then, don’t like it now…it was authentic, but it doesn’t make it more uniform…

    off soapbox now, rant over

    bryan, you can stay on my lawn…the rest of you kids…[/quote]

    Are you also going to ask that all players shave and cut their hair before taking the field? Should they all die their hair a certain color too? And all wear sunglasses (even the pitcher)? Hey, you know, while we’re at it, why don’t we just ban all foreigners who don’t look like us from the game too. That’ll make everyone look exactly the same. Oh, wait….

  • Mike Engle | June 15, 2008 at 2:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”275664″]the pads actually did have a uniform that was brown with white pants – 1978 road unis. the helmet is pathetic, but it’s the padres, and this year they are a pathetic franchise. (i’m from san diego, i’ve suffered through worse, but still.)

    as for complaining that the cut is too baggy – that’s stupid. the point is not to model the clothes, it’s to model the colors, the fonts, the design. i am definitely picky when it comes to uniform stuff, but let’s face it – the giants nailed it. the did a perfect recreation of the old unis.

    whining that the cut is not right says more about the person whining than it does about the effort the giants made.[/quote]
    I’m going to have to disagree on that point. Stirrups were a part of the uniform back then. To not have them showing, i.e.: to use the footie pajamas instead of the hiked-up legs, is, in my mind, an inappropriate liberty taken. It would be like a throwback Flyers/Whalers game without Cooperalls. “Sorry, but that’s the way it was, and we’re throwing back to that era. It’s in your contract. We pay you to play for and wear the uniform we, the team, provide you. And today, we provide everybody shorter inseams, stirrups, and sanitaries,” the equipment managers should have said to the players. “And the rose goes in the front, men.”

  • Jack | June 15, 2008 at 2:50 pm |

    As a side note, why are we bitching so much about helmets? I don’t understand why it matters – I mean, shit, before the 60s they didn’t even WEAR helmets, so technically the Cubs and Braves throwbacks weren’t perfect either. So they shouldn’t have even worn them in this game, by your logic. C’mon people. Let’s shape up here. You can’t have your cake and eat it to.

  • LI Phil | June 15, 2008 at 2:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”275666″]why don’t we just ban all foreigners who don’t look like us from the game too. That’ll make everyone look exactly the same. Oh, wait….[/quote]

    look…i’m not asking you to agree with my opinion, but i would ask that you respect it

    if you want to see a bunch of mismatched slobs playing baseball, that’s fine and that’s your opinion and you are most certainly entitled to it

    i’d prefer my team to look like a team, but that’s just my opinion

    i don’t know why everytime i make a comment it’s always misinterpreted as racist or something…i don’t care what your skin color is…im talking about UNIFORMS here…i think there are plenty of foreign born and non-white players who know MORE about this great game of baseball than many native born and english speaking players…they know how to wear (what is in my opinion a properly tailored uniform) and are certainly more knowledgable about the game than their contemporaries

    respect the game and the uniform, that’s all im saying

    roberto clemente, jackie robinson, sadaharu oh…class acts all and all respected the uniform and the game

    and they knew how to wear it properly…LIKE THEIR TEAMMATES

  • LI Phil | June 15, 2008 at 2:56 pm |

    [quote]the equipment managers should have said to the players. “And the rose goes in the front, men.”[/quote]

    or giambi

  • Bryan Redemske | June 15, 2008 at 3:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”275664″]
    the point is not to model the clothes, it’s to model the colors, the fonts, the design. i am definitely picky when it comes to uniform stuff, but let’s face it – the giants nailed it. the did a perfect recreation of the old unis.
    [/quote]

    The colors, fonts, and design ARE the clothes. They’re the uniform, and should be worn as such. It’s a throwback to 1979 — it should actually look like 1979, not some half-assed attempt at it. Baggy pants are not 1979, nor are baggy jerseys.

  • Jack | June 15, 2008 at 3:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”275669″][quote comment=”275666″]why don’t we just ban all foreigners who don’t look like us from the game too. That’ll make everyone look exactly the same. Oh, wait….[/quote]

    look…i’m not asking you to agree with my opinion, but i would ask that you respect it

    if you want to see a bunch of mismatched slobs playing baseball, that’s fine and that’s your opinion and you are most certainly entitled to it

    i’d prefer my team to look like a team, but that’s just my opinion

    i don’t know why everytime i make a comment it’s always misinterpreted as racist or something…i don’t care what your skin color is…im talking about UNIFORMS here…i think there are plenty of foreign born and non-white players who know MORE about this great game of baseball than many native born and english speaking players…they know how to wear (what is in my opinion a properly tailored uniform) and are certainly more knowledgable about the game than their contemporaries

    respect the game and the uniform, that’s all im saying

    roberto clemente, jackie robinson, sadaharu oh…class acts all and all respected the uniform and the game

    and they knew how to wear it properly…LIKE THEIR TEAMMATES[/quote]

    I wasn’t actually trying to imply anything racist from you, I just thought it was a ridiculous statement to mandate that all players wear their uniform exactly the same way (thus I proposed something even more preposterous).

    Sure, I think a team should look like a team, but I also value individuality. I mean, I’m a Tigers fan, and I appreciate that Granderson cuffs his pants at the knees (he says it’s because it’s how the Negro leagues players looked) while Inge cuffs his a little lower. They both look cool, but different. I even tend to think Verlander looks cool – he doesn’t show sock, but he wears really tight pants (none of this baggy shit). Or how Todd Jones has one sleeve that’s obviously smaller. They still look like a “team” but they all have little quirks. I’d prefer if people wore their pants high, but jeez…where does it stop? I also don’t want a team of squares playing ball. It’s one of the reasons why I hate the Yankees so much…

  • LI Phil | June 15, 2008 at 3:18 pm |

    [quote] I also don’t want a team of squares playing ball. It’s one of the reasons why I hate the Yankees so much…[/quote]

    heh…i tend to hate them for steinhitler, the 26 rings, the $600M payroll…making the mets the ugly sister, etc…

    but i do like their unis

  • Dom | June 15, 2008 at 3:18 pm |

    Check out Shaq and his McDonald’s All-American uni back in 1989

    http://www.youtube.c...

  • LI Phil | June 15, 2008 at 3:21 pm |

    aight…imo spend the rest of the day with dad…watching the mets lose in their softball unis to the rangers in their softball duds…then tiger take down number 14

    could be my dad’s last father’s day, so imo enjoy it while i can…everyone have a great summer sunday…see ya after the open

  • Marcus from B-More | June 15, 2008 at 3:31 pm |

    jim palmer on O’s broadcast just proclaimed these as the ugliest uni’s in history

    http://farm2.static....

  • Jack | June 15, 2008 at 3:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”275673″][quote] I also don’t want a team of squares playing ball. It’s one of the reasons why I hate the Yankees so much…[/quote]

    heh…i tend to hate them for steinhitler, the 26 rings, the $600M payroll…making the mets the ugly sister, etc…

    but i do like their unis[/quote]

    How about the fact that Steinbrenner makes players shave and cut their hair whenever they join the team? LAME. I mean, remember when Giambi was actually cool and scruffy-lookin’? Or when Damon actually had a personality? Or making Randy Johnson cut his hair? Now all Giambi can muster is that lame porno-stache. It sucks.

  • Jeremiah | June 15, 2008 at 3:59 pm |

    I’m not going to say Palmer is wrong to say those ChiSox unis are horrid, but there are alot of contenders for worst unis ever. One of my top (worst) picks woud be the Angels’ unis from ’97-’01. Those were bad, maybe not worst ever, but pretty bad. That’s too bad because right before they switched to those monstrosities they had imho one of the best unis in baseball from 1993-1996.

  • Marcus from B-More | June 15, 2008 at 4:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”275678″]I’m not going to say Palmer is wrong to say those ChiSox unis are horrid, but there are alot of contenders for worst unis ever. One of my top (worst) picks woud be the Angels’ unis from ’97-’01. Those were bad, maybe not worst ever, but pretty bad. That’s too bad because right before they switched to those monstrosities they had imho one of the best unis in baseball from 1993-1996.[/quote]

    it trips me out that some of the worst in history become such a part of fashion nowadays
    http://www.mitchella...

    you got rappers rapping about many throwback jersey the have…

  • Aram | June 15, 2008 at 4:19 pm |

    http://cmsimg.freep....

    First look at Michigan’s new Adidas uniforms? That’s the Michigan women’s football academy. I guess that first shipment from Adidas came after all.

  • Ricko | June 15, 2008 at 4:36 pm |

    Gonna say it again…I don’t know who decides the cut of a uniform, and that wasn’t my point.

    I do know baseball allows more leeway for personal preference than any other team sport, and the players (if personal comfort is so essential to playing baseball, which in fact it probably isn’t) should be thankful for that. The NFL has uniform “cops”, for pete’s sake, who walk the field during final pregame warmups, checking players for fineable uniform violations such a pulling their white socks up too high (former Viking punter Greg Coleman has that job for games at the Metrodome).

    What bugs me is that the players don’t, as the Twins did for that 1997 game in Texas, think, “What the hell, let’s have a little fun with it.”

    It’s that prima donna, I’m-too-cool-to-wear-stirrups, etc. attitude that’s irksome.

    Taking the essence of what Norm Peterson once advised from his stool at the corner of the bar, “I suggest you have a couple beers and LIGHTEN UP.”

    The slip n’slide antics from last night felt more like baseball than a lot of the baseball being played these days.

    And THAT was my point.

  • Geoff | June 15, 2008 at 4:44 pm |

    At the end of the Turkey-Czech Republic match at Euro today the Turkish goalie got sent off for shoving a Czech player. Since Turkey had used all its subs at that point another Turkish player had to take the goalie jersey and play goal. Unfortunately, he put it on inside out so the swoosh was backwards and there was no name/number on the back. I found that tremendously entertaining.

  • Craig | June 15, 2008 at 5:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”275682″]At the end of the Turkey-Czech Republic match at Euro today the Turkish goalie got sent off for shoving a Czech player. Since Turkey had used all its subs at that point another Turkish player had to take the goalie jersey and play goal. Unfortunately, he put it on inside out so the swoosh was backwards and there was no name/number on the back. I found that tremendously entertaining.[/quote]

    Geoff,

    You know what I find entertaining? Turn to ESPN2 and check out the Barbados national team in their Highlighter Yellow kits. Wow… My eyes hurt.

  • Geoff | June 15, 2008 at 5:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”275683″][quote comment=”275682″]At the end of the Turkey-Czech Republic match at Euro today the Turkish goalie got sent off for shoving a Czech player. Since Turkey had used all its subs at that point another Turkish player had to take the goalie jersey and play goal. Unfortunately, he put it on inside out so the swoosh was backwards and there was no name/number on the back. I found that tremendously entertaining.[/quote]

    Geoff,

    You know what I find entertaining? Turn to ESPN2 and check out the Barbados national team in their Highlighter Yellow kits. Wow… My eyes hurt.[/quote]

    Gaah! Kill it! Kill it with fire!

    When I first turned it on it was a distant shot and I thought Barbados’ blue on the unis was black. Kinda thought their backs looked like Charlie Brown with the stripes…

  • Ricko | June 15, 2008 at 5:26 pm |

    “It’s that prima donna, I’m-too-cool-to-wear-stirrups, etc. attitude that’s irksome.”

    To be clear: I meant that attitude toward TBTC games.

    No problem with individual styles the rest of the time. Also, no problem with teams having their own uniform standards (the low stirrup edicts of the Reds and Tigers for so many years come to mind).

    If the team standard is to be strict about uniforms, that’s its style. If a team standard is to give guys some latitude that is, in its way, its uniformity, its team culture. A team has the privilege of defining its own culture. Think about the shaggy Red Sox of recent years, the mustachioed A’s of the early 70s, the clean-shaven low-stirrup no-logos-on-shoes Big Red Machine. An indiviudal player’s way may not fit–and he may not prefer it–but the team is well within its rights to define itself.

    Can you imagine the MLB Players Association suing for Manny’s right to wear his jammies? That would unbelievably stupid.

    Talk about a waste of time and energy.

    (I’ve scanned and sent Paul a clipping about Calvin Griffith and the Twins stirrups that kinda addresses the team culture issue…for better or worse depending on your point of view, I suppose).

  • Tony In Erie (at work) | June 15, 2008 at 5:41 pm |

    Thanks for the plug that my argument had some weight Mr L.I. Phil. Yeah, I’m probably giving those utility infielders way too much credit!

    Oh, from the conversation the other day about Boston’s road grays from the 80’s … they look an awful lot like the Civil Rights Game jerseys, don’t they?

  • Ricko | June 15, 2008 at 5:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”275686″]Thanks for the plug that my argument had some weight Mr L.I. Phil. Yeah, I’m probably giving those utility infielders way too much credit!

    Oh, from the conversation the other day about Boston’s road grays from the 80’s … they look an awful lot like the Civil Rights Game jerseys, don’t they?[/quote]

    Simple, it was, that 80s Red Sox road jersey. But it also was the only road “look” Ted Williams ever wore. Those basically were throwbacks a lot of us appreciated at the time…especially coming out of the sansabelt era.

  • Tony In Erie (at work) | June 15, 2008 at 5:55 pm |

    I suppose thats true!

    Took another look through the comments. There’s really uniform ‘cops’ in the NFL? They should make the Seahawks go back into the locker room every time they wear teal on teal. LOL

  • scott | June 15, 2008 at 6:03 pm |

    Worcester Tornadoes of the Can-Am League have altered their primary home uniforms for the ’08 season, removing the piping:

    http://worcestertorn...

    and changing to pinstripes.

  • James Craven | June 15, 2008 at 6:28 pm |

    The first all-off white uni game in recent baseball history was played today in Cleveland, as the Padres (in sand) took on the Indians (in their cream alternates.) Wha, couldn’t the Fathers on Father’s Day have the cajones to put on their navy alt jerseys?

  • VandyDelphia Mike | June 15, 2008 at 6:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”275690″]The first all-off white uni game in recent baseball history was played today in Cleveland, as the Padres (in sand) took on the Indians (in their cream alternates.) Wha, couldn’t the Fathers on Father’s Day have the cajones to put on their navy alt jerseys?[/quote]
    Not so fast, James. You forget that the Padres play 3 series a year in San Francisco, whose everyday home set is cream.

    Unless “recent baseball history” is defined as “since June 1,” then the comment’s a little bit off.

  • Luke | June 15, 2008 at 7:36 pm |

    They couldn’t get him an RBK Edge jersey?

  • =bg= | June 15, 2008 at 7:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”275691″][quote comment=”275690″]The first all-off white uni game in recent baseball history was played today in Cleveland, as the Padres (in sand) took on the Indians (in their cream alternates.) Wha, couldn’t the Fathers on Father’s Day have the cajones to put on their navy alt jerseys?[/quote]
    Not so fast, James. You forget that the Padres play 3 series a year in San Francisco, whose everyday home set is cream.

    Unless “recent baseball history” is defined as “since June 1,” then the comment’s a little bit off.[/quote]

    I think the Giants home unis are among the very best. The creme is juuuuust light enough. The Padres “sand” is way to dark for my tastes.

  • Shaftman | June 15, 2008 at 7:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”275692″]They couldn’t get him an RBK Edge jersey?[/quote]

    Doesn’t our economy have enough issues without our government spending obscene money on sh*t ass uni’s. (By “sh*t ass” I am referring to any RBK Edge jersey, not the specifically the Red Wings).

    I think the replica made the point and saved a few $$$ in the process.

  • jimshrugs | June 15, 2008 at 8:13 pm |

    Regarding MLB’s Father’s Day Prostate-Palooza,

    did any D-backs or Royals fans catch todays game? Somewhere in I believe the 7th inning, the D-backs’ home network zoomed in on Jose Guillen to see an unmistakable blue ribbon temporarily tattooed on his LEFT CHEEK. Unfortunately, I couldn’t get a screen cap, but doesn’t that seem like a bit much?

    Wristbands, logos on the field, sure. A temporary tattoo on the face? Erm, no.

  • LI Phil | June 15, 2008 at 9:58 pm |

    [quote]How about the fact that Steinbrenner makes players shave and cut their hair whenever they join the team? LAME. I mean, remember when Giambi was actually cool and scruffy-lookin’?[/quote]

    giambi was never cool…roidly, maybe…but not cool

    [quote]Or when Damon actually had a personality?[/quote]

    capn caveman?…straight out of a geico ad…he never looked like that with teh royals…i believe he started not shaving after he suffered a concussion (one of many) and the hair thing had to do with some cancer deal, i believe…i didn’t like the look, but yeh…he had personality[/quote]

    [quote]Or making Randy Johnson cut his hair?[/quote]

    doesn’t look so bad…oh wait…yeah…it does

    [quote]Now all Giambi can muster is that lame porno-stache. It sucks.[/quote]

    well…he wants to look like a real yankee first sacker

    what can i say?

  • LI Phil | June 15, 2008 at 10:33 pm |

    einstein flunked out of school, twice…beethoven was deaf…helen keller was blind…i think rocco’s got a good chance

    or…maybe not

  • Ricko | June 15, 2008 at 10:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”275695″]Regarding MLB\’s Father’s Day Prostate-Palooza,

    did any D-backs or Royals fans catch todays game? Somewhere in I believe the 7th inning, the D-backs’ home network zoomed in on Jose Guillen to see an unmistakable blue ribbon temporarily tattooed on his LEFT CHEEK. Unfortunately, I couldn’t get a screen cap, but doesn’t that seem like a bit much?

    Wristbands, logos on the field, sure. A temporary tattoo on the face? Erm, no.[quote]

    First we might ask Guillen if perhaps he has someone close to him who has battled–or worse, has lost the battle with–prostate cancer.

    I had 3/4 of my prostate removed six years ago. Wasn’t cancer, but was enough the scare me…and I got to see the relief on my hospital roommate’s face when his doctor told him they’d got all of his prostate cancer in his surgery.

    So you’ll forgive me if I don’t have big problem with Guillen’s facepaint.

    And, frankly (unless you and those love have some sort of magical immunity to cancer), you shouldn’t, either.

    Know why? Because–speaking on the basest of levels now–even if it’s not cancer, the ED is no goddamn fun, partner. I sincerely hope you never have to deal with it.

  • Juan Grande | June 15, 2008 at 10:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”275674″]Check out Shaq and his McDonald’s All-American uni back in 1989

    http://www.youtube.c...

    Shaq must have put on an additional 200 lbs since then. He’s all arms and legs in that footage!

  • Azul Army | June 15, 2008 at 11:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”275669″][quote comment=”275666″]why don’t we just ban all foreigners who don’t look like us from the game too. That’ll make everyone look exactly the same. Oh, wait….[/quote]

    look…i’m not asking you to agree with my opinion, but i would ask that you respect it

    if you want to see a bunch of mismatched slobs playing baseball, that’s fine and that’s your opinion and you are most certainly entitled to it

    i’d prefer my team to look like a team, but that’s just my opinion

    i don’t know why everytime i make a comment it’s always misinterpreted as racist or something…i don’t care what your skin color is…im talking about UNIFORMS here…i think there are plenty of foreign born and non-white players who know MORE about this great game of baseball than many native born and english speaking players…they know how to wear (what is in my opinion a properly tailored uniform) and are certainly more knowledgable about the game than their contemporaries

    respect the game and the uniform, that’s all im saying

    roberto clemente, jackie robinson, sadaharu oh…class acts all and all respected the uniform and the game

    and they knew how to wear it properly…LIKE THEIR TEAMMATES[/quote]

    UNIFORMS?

    Its easy to talk about, its easy to sum it up when you just talk about uniforms. We sittin’ in here, I’m supposed to be the franchise player, and we in here talkin’ about uniforms. I mean listen, we talkin bout uniforms. Not a game, not a game, not a game. We talkin bout uniforms. Not a game, not a, not a, not the game that I go out there and die for, and play every game like its my last. Not the game. We talkin’ bout uniforms, man. I mean how silly is that? We talkin’ bout uniforms. I know I’m supposed to be there, I know I’m supposed to lead by example. I know that, and I’m not shovin’ it aside, you know, like it don’t mean anything. I know its important, I do. I honestly do. But we talkin’ bout uniforms, man. What are we talkin’ bout? Uniforms? We talkin’ bout uniforms man. We talk… We talkin’ bout uniforms. We talkin’ bout uniforms. We ain’t talkin’ bout the game, we talkin’ bout uniforms, man. When you come into the arena, and you see me play, you see me play, don’t you? You see me give everything I got, right? But we talkin’ bout uniforms right now. We talkin’ bout uniforms. Man look, I hear you, its funny to me too. I mean, its strange, its strange to me too. But we talkin’ bout uniforms man. We not even talkin’ bout the game, the actual game, when it matters. We talkin’ bout uniforms.

    Sorry, that came directly to mind.

  • Ricko | June 15, 2008 at 11:51 pm |

    I wonder, what are the chances that AI has no idea who Paul Arizin is, or even that the Warriors once were the Philadelphia Warriors?

    Or that he cares?

  • LI Phil | June 15, 2008 at 11:53 pm |

    who is AI?

  • Ricko | June 16, 2008 at 12:13 am |

    [quote comment=”275703″]who is AI?[/quote]

    Some former 76er.

  • bayview | June 16, 2008 at 1:26 am |

    Re: the Giants on Friday night. ahhh c’mon…doesn’t anyone see the awesomeness of actually using an elastic wasteband a la this?. I’ve seen a couple of teams that have tried to pull off the 70s pullover AND use an actual belt (grrr) but seriously, this is a step in the right direction.

  • tim | June 16, 2008 at 2:04 am |

    Please. I have zero sympathy for .260 hitters who make $8 million a year. If they were making sandwiches at Subway, and different uniforms somehow affected their frozen bread-heating ability, you’d be onto something. But “the only way they make all their money”? The average MLB salary is over $2 million per year. That must be a bitch. Save the pajamas for the other 161 games.

    You are a joke, you know that? Why are you pulling this “the players are spoiled brats who make two million so they won’t wear their uniforms properly crap”. The players weren’t bitching about money, you were the one who brought up money. It has nothing to do with money, it has to do with performance. Why don’t we enforce you to wear 1950’s journalism attire…three piece suit maybe. You have to wear that now instead of your sweatpants and oversized white tee shirt while typing these posts in your mom’s basement.

    Since performance is pretty much a direct correlation with future contracts, you would think you would do whatever thought helped you perform better…

    Seriously, your argument is damn awful. The players don’t even design the damn throwbacks. Uniform manufacturers probably just make the players current uniform size in the different color/style.

    I’m sorry the world evolves and different things are popular. The uniforms are a salute to past teams and the fans like them. Ya maybe they aren’t executed to perfection, but your logic as to how the players income is the reason for the poor look is just absurd.

    O ya, and you are a negative nancy, Bryan.

  • Bryan Redemske | June 16, 2008 at 9:51 am |

    [quote comment=”275706″]Please. I have zero sympathy for .260 hitters who make $8 million a year. If they were making sandwiches at Subway, and different uniforms somehow affected their frozen bread-heating ability, you’d be onto something. But “the only way they make all their money”? The average MLB salary is over $2 million per year. That must be a bitch. Save the pajamas for the other 161 games.

    You are a joke, you know that? Why are you pulling this “the players are spoiled brats who make two million so they won’t wear their uniforms properly crap”. The players weren’t bitching about money, you were the one who brought up money. It has nothing to do with money, it has to do with performance. Why don’t we enforce you to wear 1950’s journalism attire…three piece suit maybe. You have to wear that now instead of your sweatpants and oversized white tee shirt while typing these posts in your mom’s basement.

    Since performance is pretty much a direct correlation with future contracts, you would think you would do whatever thought helped you perform better…

    Seriously, your argument is damn awful. The players don’t even design the damn throwbacks. Uniform manufacturers probably just make the players current uniform size in the different color/style.

    I’m sorry the world evolves and different things are popular. The uniforms are a salute to past teams and the fans like them. Ya maybe they aren’t executed to perfection, but your logic as to how the players income is the reason for the poor look is just absurd.

    O ya, and you are a negative nancy, Bryan.[/quote]

    Wow, you took that entire quote of mine out of context. Of course it’s a bad argument — you left out what I was referring to. Include both sides of the story — that’s journalism.

  • jimshrugs | June 16, 2008 at 11:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”275699″][quote comment=”275695″]Regarding MLB\’s Father’s Day Prostate-Palooza,

    did any D-backs or Royals fans catch todays game? Somewhere in I believe the 7th inning, the D-backs’ home network zoomed in on Jose Guillen to see an unmistakable blue ribbon temporarily tattooed on his LEFT CHEEK. Unfortunately, I couldn’t get a screen cap, but doesn’t that seem like a bit much?

    Wristbands, logos on the field, sure. A temporary tattoo on the face? Erm, no.[quote]

    First we might ask Guillen if perhaps he has someone close to him who has battled–or worse, has lost the battle with–prostate cancer.

    I had 3/4 of my prostate removed six years ago. Wasn’t cancer, but was enough the scare me…and I got to see the relief on my hospital roommate’s face when his doctor told him they’d got all of his prostate cancer in his surgery.

    So you’ll forgive me if I don’t have big problem with Guillen’s facepaint.

    And, frankly (unless you and those love have some sort of magical immunity to cancer), you shouldn’t, either.

    Know why? Because–speaking on the basest of levels now–even if it’s not cancer, the ED is no goddamn fun, partner. I sincerely hope you never have to deal with it.[/quote]

    Ah, seems we didn’t exactly communicate on the same level, or at least get the same meaning out of my comments.

    I’m not opposed to the prostate-awareness promotions, and nowhere did I say that.

    What I’m saying is that I find the temporary tattoo to be in unusual taste, and something that I find to be another silly “look at me, I’m raising more awareness than youuuu” type thing.