Frame Game: Lame?

Most teams have specific manufacturer fonts for European games. Note how Man United’s link is completely different from the standard link one.

Liverpool was able to get away with it because it was a UEFA match not a EPL match, I believe Man U also has a different number/name font for European matches also.

Looks like we have another team that can’t get the home cap/road cap thing right.

that link is link.

The font # on the back of that Jersey is close to Adidas but it was 4 stripes instead of 3 so thats how they got away with it. Adidas is getting pretty ridiculous with all its uniforms for all the sports they make jerseys for with those annoying freakin stripes. I will take a simple swoosh anytime!

linkis the absolute worst thing that I have ever seen on a baseball field!

[quote comment=”247374″]Re Liverpool in Black.

The uniform standard only applies to FA matchs (league, Carling cup,a nd FA cup).

You’ll see a lot of different uniforms and fonts from the english teams when they are playing in the champions league or in uefa cup.[/quote]

Some more examples of fonts of EPL teams in Europe

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How much is the name frame going to cost? it seems like a great idea. i have my college jersey framed but with nnob. would love something like this.

I’m pretty sure that logo is link…

[quote comment=”247387″][quote comment=”247382″]Phillies Throwbacks look like they left the white unis in some bleach and mud…washed off the red stripes and looks like someone hurled on them…kind of like the nasty looking things the Giants were in SF[/quote]

I thought they looked very nice. Much better and more creative alternate uniform than most teams come up with.[/quote]

The only (minor) drawback was using the red batting helmets with the alternates. Would have looked much better with a blue batting helmet (to match the alternate cap).

Wow. Most graphic designers cringe (or worse) when they see design contests like the one the New York-Penn League is holding. They are extremely unethical. They are usually a way to avoid paying fair market value for a professionally-designed logo.

At first glance It seems like a harmless and fun way to get fans involved–but this is not targeted toward children or amateurs. The call-for-entries asks for “serious artists” and requires the logo be designed using professional software. Contests like these make it difficult for professional designers to charge market value for their work when others are offering those services in exchange for a “prize packet.” Sigh.

[quote comment=”247394″]Wow. Most graphic designers cringe (or worse) when they see design contests like the one the New York-Penn League is holding. They are extremely unethical. They are usually a way to avoid paying fair market value for a professionally-designed logo.

At first glance It seems like a harmless and fun way to get fans involved–but this is not targeted toward children or amateurs. The call-for-entries asks for “serious artists” and requires the logo be designed using professional software. Contests like these make it difficult for professional designers to charge market value for their work when others are offering those services in exchange for a “prize packet.” Sigh.[/quote]

Good insight, never would have crossed my mind.

That pricing sounds good. when thinking about it i was saying those prices. less then 100 it what i was hoping.

Sportscenter said the last time the pitcher outfielder switch was with the mariners. 1993 i think they said, under piniella

I am pretty sure the Mizuno-logo thing was just a ‘logo-creep alert’ on Paul’s side. So, Paul, get over it: unless the players start paying for their gear, companies should get some advertising in return for their endorsements.
Besides, if you want to complain about anything it should be about Prince Fielder’s shoes. If you want to wear ancient-school pants, have the decency to wear black on black shoes with it at the very least.

Isn’t Prince Fielder just wearing his pants like they did a long long time ago, as you see worn during some of the early 1900’s throwback games?

When will Prince Fielder break out the floppy shoes?

I haven’t been to the blog lately (got sick of the “ZOMG! His name is falling off the jersey!” chatter) so forgive me if this has been posted. There is a new museum in NYC called the Sports Museum. Perhaps Paul should check it out? Opening May 7…

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[quote comment=”247408″]Atlanta’s team is the Dream because the ATL was home to Dr. King, he of the “I have a dream” speech.

At the very least the WNBA has gotten away from the trend whereby they were naming teams comparable to the city’s NBA counterparts (Sting for Hornets, Sol for Heat, Mystics for Wizards, etc.). Of course, in Atlanta, which already has Hawks, Thrashers, and Falcons, another bird name probably would have been more apropos. But there aren’t that many birds that haven’t been used already . . .[/quote]

Meadowlarks . . . it’s a bird’s name, plus, it harkens to Meadowlark Lemon, the Globetrotter star who was born up the road in Wilmington, NC. Would have been especially appropriate given the roles both the Globetrotters and the city of Atlanta have played in African American culture.

[quote comment=”247408″]Atlanta’s team is the Dream because the ATL was home to Dr. King, he of the “I have a dream” speech.

At the very least the WNBA has gotten away from the trend whereby they were naming teams comparable to the city’s NBA counterparts (Sting for Hornets, Sol for Heat, Mystics for Wizards, etc.). Of course, in Atlanta, which already has Hawks, Thrashers, and Falcons, another bird name probably would have been more apropos. But there aren’t that many birds that haven’t been used already . . .[/quote]

Ummm … Atlanta Chicks?

[quote comment=”247414″]I say $50 and it’s a hit[/quote]

I’m definitely in for $50. $75 is very tempting and I would probably go for that. Then again, I tend to be on the cheap side on some things.

[quote comment=”247408″]Atlanta’s team is the Dream because the ATL was home to Dr. King, he of the “I have a dream” speech.

At the very least the WNBA has gotten away from the trend whereby they were naming teams comparable to the city’s NBA counterparts (Sting for Hornets, Sol for Heat, Mystics for Wizards, etc.). Of course, in Atlanta, which already has Hawks, Thrashers, and Falcons, another bird name probably would have been more apropos. But there aren’t that many birds that haven’t been used already . . .[/quote]
Oh, that’s what Dr. King was talking about, the basketball team.

[quote comment=”247390″][quote comment=”247387″][quote comment=”247382″]Phillies Throwbacks look like they left the white unis in some bleach and mud…washed off the red stripes and looks like someone hurled on them…kind of like the nasty looking things the Giants were in SF[/quote]

I thought they looked very nice. Much better and more creative alternate uniform than most teams come up with.[/quote]

The only (minor) drawback was using the red batting helmets with the alternates. Would have looked much better with a blue batting helmet (to match the alternate cap).[/quote]That’s the exact thought I had. Why wouldn’t they change the helmets to match the caps???

[quote comment=”247421″][quote comment=”247408″]Atlanta’s team is the Dream because the ATL was home to Dr. King, he of the “I have a dream” speech.

At the very least the WNBA has gotten away from the trend whereby they were naming teams comparable to the city’s NBA counterparts (Sting for Hornets, Sol for Heat, Mystics for Wizards, etc.). Of course, in Atlanta, which already has Hawks, Thrashers, and Falcons, another bird name probably would have been more apropos. But there aren’t that many birds that haven’t been used already . . .[/quote]

Ummm … Atlanta Chicks?[/quote]

Yeah…that would go over REAL well with the WNBA…[/snicker]

[quote comment=”247390″][quote comment=”247387″][quote comment=”247382″]Phillies Throwbacks look like they left the white unis in some bleach and mud…washed off the red stripes and looks like someone hurled on them…kind of like the nasty looking things the Giants were in SF[/quote]

I thought they looked very nice. Much better and more creative alternate uniform than most teams come up with.[/quote]

The only (minor) drawback was using the red batting helmets with the alternates. Would have looked much better with a blue batting helmet (to match the alternate cap).[/quote]

Phillies alternate unis are styled after their link uniform. (Scroll down towards bottom of page.)

[quote comment=”247428″][quote comment=”247390″][quote comment=”247387″][quote comment=”247382″]Phillies Throwbacks look like they left the white unis in some bleach and mud…washed off the red stripes and looks like someone hurled on them…kind of like the nasty looking things the Giants were in SF[/quote]

I thought they looked very nice. Much better and more creative alternate uniform than most teams come up with.[/quote]

The only (minor) drawback was using the red batting helmets with the alternates. Would have looked much better with a blue batting helmet (to match the alternate cap).[/quote]That’s the exact thought I had. Why wouldn’t they change the helmets to match the caps???[/quote]

It would cause ownership to spend more money which they are loathe to do unless absolutely necessary.

[quote comment=”247424″][quote comment=”247381″]linkis the absolute worst thing that I have ever seen on a baseball field![/quote]

I guess you have never seen a Yankees game.[/quote]
Okay we get it, you hate the yankees, Stop posting all this useless anti-yankee stuff o

As for the pic of Jerry Rice at MVSU, Nike re-created a line of collegiate jerseys for famous football stars a few years ago under the line “Tradition Defined”.

Within that line, they had jerseys for:

Rice at MVSU.
Bruce Smith @ VaTech
Barry Sanders @ OSU
E. George @ TOSU
LT @ UNC
LDT @TCU
Vincent Jackson @ Auburn
Kellen Winslow(The soldia’s father)@Missouri
link

There were more, but I can’t recall at the moment!

On the NY-Penn logo contest-I’M WITH SLURPEEMAN

At first I thought owwww come on, it’s just a logo contest…

BUT, they require the logo be submitted in vector format with adobe illustrator or macro freehand. How many kids have these $500 PROFESSIONAL DESIGN programs on their computer?

NY-P showed their hand, slurpeeman is right. They want professional work done on the CHEAP. BOOOO!

I’m surprised that nobody has commented on the fact that one of the fans in the Minnesota Wild fan appreciation patch is carrying what looks suspiciously like a Canadian flag. Wonder what the story is with that?

[quote comment=”247405″]DAMMIT PHIL.. err, PAUL!

I wanted to post about Orosco and McDowell alternating on the mound and in left field for the Mets!

Anyway… Joe’s frames look great. Is there a generic jersey under there or is it just fabric? If there’s a jersey that you can take out and wear, $75-95 doesn’t sound too steep.

(And the link reminds me a lot of link. He was #3 as a player, but later wore #33 while managing.)[/quote]

i was going to post something…but at the risk of further diminishing those few brain cells i din’t destroy back in the ’80s…i’ll only say this…further research will be required but i believe davey actually did the ‘pitchers in the outfield’ more than once…i vaguely (damn college & cheap beer) remember the extra inning game with the fight which is prolly the most famous example, but i think and could be wrong that he may have done the double-switcheroo in 1985 & 1986

perhaps the many other met fans on here can confirm/deny…i’ll try to research it at lunch if no one has info

As many others have already said, teams don’t we their league mandated number fonts, they usually have new fonts made from the kit supplier. Adidas uses the one you linked to and Nike ususally makes a unique font for each team. And to the man that claimed Liverpool got away withit because the font had four stripes rather than three, you are incorrect. The four stripe font is made by adidas, therefore Liverpool, being outfitted by Adidas, has to wear the font. Maybe you can look at it by the fact there are three stripes inset in the number, breaking it up from being a solid number.

[quote comment=”247447″][quote comment=”247424″]linkis the absolute worst thing that I have ever seen on a baseball field![/quote]

I guess you have never seen a Yankees game.[/quote]

it was funny the first 50 times…well not really

now it’s just fucking annoying

Maybe I am biased (being a Cubs fan), but I really do think those home Cubbie pinstripes are some of the best looking jerseys in all of sports. The away jerseys are boring, the blues are comical, but those home whites are just plain gorgeous, especially with the pants up and the blue socks showing.

Hey Met Marty…you think the Yankees Look bad? Have you ever been to SHIT, SHEA?

And who ever said the Phillies Alts were better than most Alts…YOU ARE RIGHT…But, some of these teams need to give up on Alts. See the White SUX, Deviled Eggs, Marlins, etc…

[quote comment=”247450″][quote comment=”247447″][quote comment=”247424″]link is the absolute worst thing that I have ever seen on a baseball field!”

“I guess you have never seen a Yankees game.”

“It was funny the first 50 times…well not really.

“Now it’s just f***ing annoying.”[/quote][/quote][/quote]

Not as annoying as “DAMMIT, [name inserted here]!”

[quote comment=”247437″][quote comment=”247434″][quote comment=”247428″][quote comment=”247390″][quote comment=”247387″][quote comment=”247382″]Phillies Throwbacks look like they left the white unis in some bleach and mud…washed off the red stripes and looks like someone hurled on them…kind of like the nasty looking things the Giants were in SF[/quote]

I thought they looked very nice. Much better and more creative alternate uniform than most teams come up with.[/quote]

The only (minor) drawback was using the red batting helmets with the alternates. Would have looked much better with a blue batting helmet (to match the alternate cap).[/quote]That’s the exact thought I had. Why wouldn’t they change the helmets to match the caps???[/quote]

It would cause ownership to spend more money which they are loathe to do unless absolutely necessary.[/quote]

Beat me to it…[/quote]

Do you know that for a fact? Considering that there is quite a bit of money to be made through the sales of extemporaneous equipment, couldn’t they make more money by introducing more stuff? Perhaps the players prefer keeping the amount of specialize equipment (helmets are replaced by players far less, if at all as opposed to caps) to a minimum.

My association with the Phillies organization (8 years now) has witnessed no indication that they are a “nickel & dime” operation.

Generally, this “owners are the root of all evil” gets a little old, IMO.

[quote comment=”247374″]Re Liverpool in Black.

The uniform standard only applies to FA matchs (league, Carling cup,a nd FA cup).

You’ll see a lot of different uniforms and fonts from the english teams when they are playing in the champions league or in uefa cup.[/quote]

Liverpool used to wear the Futura letters but without the FA logo in the number. But I think the manufacturer stepped in and asked that the Reds use one of their proprietary number fonts. Kind of “subtle” advertising.

[quote comment=”247452″]Maybe I am biased (being a Cubs fan), but I really do think those home Cubbie pinstripes are some of the best looking jerseys in all of sports. The away jerseys are boring, the blues are comical, but those home whites are just plain gorgeous, especially with the pants up and the blue socks showing.[/quote]

They are indeed, and that’s coming from a White Sox fan. I think the Cubs(home) vs Sox(away, all gray) is the most beautiful matup in all of baseball. The Wrigley Field backdrop isn’t bad for pictures eiether.

[quote comment=”247454″]Hey Met Marty…you think the Yankees Look bad? Have you ever been to SHIT, SHEA?

And who ever said the Phillies Alts were better than most Alts…YOU ARE RIGHT…But, some of these teams need to give up on Alts. See the White SUX, Deviled Eggs, Marlins, etc…[/quote]

Dude, seriously? Are you five years old and just learned some new swear words? Grow up.

I thought those Phillies alt unis looked AWESOME. Someone quick send a phot to Indian university, and tell them to change their white to “cream” like their offical school colors. :)

I really like both the Phillies and the Indians new off white alts. The Giants have always been really cool too.

2 baseball questions:

1) I know last year the Cubs didn’t wear the blue alts, are they back this year?

2) Anyone know if the Brewers will still be wearing the Retro pinstripes this year?

thanks.

[quote comment=”247461″][quote comment=”247438″]As for the pic of Jerry Rice at MVSU, Nike re-created a line of collegiate jerseys for famous football stars a few years ago under the line “Tradition Defined”.

Within that line, they had jerseys for:

Rice at MVSU.
Bruce Smith @ VaTech
Barry Sanders @ OSU
E. George @ TOSU
LT @ UNC
LDT @TCU
Vincent Jackson @ Auburn
Kellen Winslow(The soldia’s father)@Missouri
link

There were more, but I can’t recall at the moment![/quote]

I’ve looked everywhere for a Matt Powers game worn Wagner jersey. You know how hard they are to find???[/quote]

I’m with you. Where can I get me a Matt Powers jersey? Just awesome!

[quote comment=”247403″]The Mizuno “runbird” has always been the design on the shoes, not the M. The M was seen on uniforms and warmup outfits. I think that from a branding stand point, it makes better sense to have just one symbol and that’s why they changed.[/quote]

Not link. The bird appeared in 1982. The runbird originally had the logo M where the triangle appears now.

Actually that game went 14….and Orosco and McDowell were batting 6th and 7th in the order…which was weird.

Frank

[quote comment=”247462″][quote comment=”247452″]Maybe I am biased (being a Cubs fan), but I really do think those home Cubbie pinstripes are some of the best looking jerseys in all of sports. The away jerseys are boring, the blues are comical, but those home whites are just plain gorgeous, especially with the pants up and the blue socks showing.[/quote]

They are indeed, and that’s coming from a White Sox fan. I think the Cubs(home) vs Sox(away, all gray) is the most beautiful matup in all of baseball. The Wrigley Field backdrop isn’t bad for pictures eiether.[/quote]

I’m gonna have to agree with you and my man Brett up there. Cubs away uni could use a nice blue/white/red stripe down the pant and the alternate just needs to be redone. I am a born and raised Cubs fan and I think the Sox have some sweet unis too. The home, away and alternates are all very classy. I was a bit rattled when they got rid of the vest a season ago. Chicago Sports teams as a whole has some of THE BEST uniforms in all of sports. Cubs, Sox, Bears, Bulls and Blackhawks….damn it feels good to be a Chicagoan! (well from a uniform stand point haha!)

[quote comment=”247472″][quote comment=”247458″][quote comment=”247437″][quote comment=”247434″][quote comment=”247428″][quote comment=”247390″][quote comment=”247387″][quote comment=”247382″]Phillies Throwbacks look like they left the white unis in some bleach and mud…washed off the red stripes and looks like someone hurled on them…kind of like the nasty looking things the Giants were in SF[/quote]

I thought they looked very nice. Much better and more creative alternate uniform than most teams come up with.[/quote]

The only (minor) drawback was using the red batting helmets with the alternates. Would have looked much better with a blue batting helmet (to match the alternate cap).[/quote]That’s the exact thought I had. Why wouldn’t they change the helmets to match the caps???[/quote]

It would cause ownership to spend more money which they are loathe to do unless absolutely necessary.[/quote]

Beat me to it…[/quote]

Do you know that for a fact? Considering that there is quite a bit of money to be made through the sales of extemporaneous equipment, couldn’t they make more money by introducing more stuff? Perhaps the players prefer keeping the amount of specialize equipment (helmets are replaced by players far less, if at all as opposed to caps) to a minimum.

My association with the Phillies organization (8 years now) has witnessed no indication that they are a “nickel & dime” operation.

Generally, this “owners are the root of all evil” gets a little old, IMO.[/quote]

Long-suffering Phillies fans (of which I am one, since 1973) have been frustrated by the Giles partnership ownership group since 1982. While not necessarily correct to say they don’t spend money (witness the $100 million payroll), IMHO they just don’t spend their money very wisely. Just my opinion.

A very classy alternate uniform could have been aesthetically topped off by making the simple addition of a batting helmet matching the cap. Casual fans, I’m sure, won’t notice this, but uni-geeks like myself do. Again, just my opinion.[/quote]

Your points are all well taken. I cannot (and would not) question someone’s opinion of their wisdom and that was not what I took exception to. The statement was “they loath spending money” in general and that was why they did not spring for the blue helmets specifically and that is completely unsubstantiated and I believe it needed to be called out.

Personally, I would like the idea of the blue helmets too, but I will reserve judgment on why they didn’t do it until I hear a definitive reason.

Uni-Watchers, long time no see. I used to be a regular reader, but since losing my job about a month ago, I have neglected this, my favorite site, a little too much.

Anyway. I write now to ask for a favor… Ballsy of me, I know, but if there was any group out there that can help me it is you guys.

Basically I am in an MLB 2K8 league with some buddies. It has become kind of a tradition in our leagues that victories get bragged about by posting a picture of a hot girl wearing the winning teams apparel. Normally this isnt hard to find, but for some reason I cant find any Dodgers stuff.

Can you guys help me with some links? I would greatly appreciate it.

Just for the record, the Mets, Yanks, Red Sox and Tigers were not allowed to be chosen.

All I can say is, UCLA’s colors never looked so damn good . . .

link

Oh, and I would definitely pay $75 for a framed version of my UniWatch Membership Card. I think it’s a fabulous idea. I would just have to figure out what scheme to use because I’d probably choose an actual team I like (such as the All-Blacks or the Wild!, or even the T’wolves away jersey) rather than the UniWatch colors.

[quote comment=”247440″]On the NY-Penn logo contest-I’M WITH SLURPEEMAN

At first I thought owwww come on, it’s just a logo contest…

BUT, they require the logo be submitted in vector format with adobe illustrator or macro freehand. How many kids have these $500 PROFESSIONAL DESIGN programs on their computer?

NY-P showed their hand, slurpeeman is right. They want professional work done on the CHEAP. BOOOO![/quote]

True enough.

If this was really a fan contest, they would take all submissions in whatever format (even hard copy) and pay a professional to clean them up and create workable files.

Hey Paul,

I have a question related to the cream colored unis the giants and Phillies wear.

Were the original unis cream colored on purpose or were they intended to be white, (but appeared cream due to the type of material?)

Here’s an link about the Giants change to cream at Willie Mays’ request.

[quote]And Paul, if you have Keith Hernandez’ “If At First…” at home (I read this as a kid and had no idea baseball players used so much profanity), you can see a picture of Rusty Staub on the move in the outfield during that famous game. He was a high-pants, stirrup guy, wasn’t he?[/quote]

among the many regrets in life i have, a big one was MEETING keith and getting him to sign a copy of this book many years ago…and then giving it to my ex-best friend and best man years ago as a birthday present…i was going to purchase 2 copies … not that having mex’ sig is such a big deal of course

and btw…he’s a dick

[quote comment=”247490″][quote comment=”247485″]Uni-Watchers, long time no see. I used to be a regular reader, but since losing my job about a month ago, I have neglected this, my favorite site, a little too much.

Anyway. I write now to ask for a favor… Ballsy of me, I know, but if there was any group out there that can help me it is you guys.

Basically I am in an MLB 2K8 league with some buddies. It has become kind of a tradition in our leagues that victories get bragged about by posting a picture of a hot girl wearing the winning teams apparel. Normally this isnt hard to find, but for some reason I cant find any Dodgers stuff.

Can you guys help me with some links? I would greatly appreciate it.

Just for the record, the Mets, Yanks, Red Sox and Tigers were not allowed to be chosen.[/quote]

Isn’t Alyssa Milano a big Dodger fan? I think in the Dodgers Shop on their website she’s in some Dodger attire.[/quote]

Yeah there is some stuff on their but unfortunately all the good stuff isnt modeled. Thanks though.

I just find it really odd. I mean, if you look around for other teams, you can find HEAPS of pics. Even NHL teams, which get virtually no love from anyone.

But for some reason, the Dodgers just dont have that many images available.

Weird.

[quote comment=”247423″][quote comment=”247414″]I say $50 and it’s a hit[/quote]

I’m definitely in for $50. $75 is very tempting and I would probably go for that. Then again, I tend to be on the cheap side on some things.[/quote]

Having worked in the industry myself, the licensing fees for the PAs (NHLPA, MLBPA, NFLPA, etc.) are ridiculous. That’s where 50% of the cost of customization goes when you take your jersey in for names and numbers.

However, if you get your own name, it should be cheaper due to no fees being charged regarding the PAs.

Will it be an “across-the-board” fee for names, Joe? Can you mount the names on the same jersey patterns of the teams?

Sorry, just want to clarify some info for my own curiosity.

[quote comment=”247496″]ok i go to Wagner and i have no clue who Matt Powers is and its probably some form of blasphemy but who is he, who did he play for?[/quote]

Again, only a rumor, but the story seems to be that he might have played behind Rick Sarille, the Wagner standout, between 1995 and 1998.

The game worn jersey in question has actually been located in a linkof game worn apparel somewhere in suburban New York gathering dust.

Regarding this part of the Braves switch:
And then when Blanco came in to play the outfield he took Resop’s pitcher’s glove back out and gave it back to him

Is this legal? Are players allowed to swap equipment from batter to batter. I vaguely remember an ambidextrous pitcher who had a specially made glove that could be worn on either hand. I assumed he did this because it was against the rules for the bench to throw out the new glove when he needed to switch.

[quote comment=”247484″]In 1979 Pirates manager Chuck Tanner, who is my grandfather so I’ve heard this story no less than 357 times, took Kent Tekelve, a righty, off the mound and put him in left field. Grant Jackson, a lefty, was brought in to face one left handed batter. As luck would have it, the batter sent a flyball right to Teke in left, who flawlessly made the catch to end the inning.

Too bad the current Pirate outfielders can’t catch a fly ball like that.[/quote]

A little off the topic, but when was the last time you saw four pitchers in the link?

[quote comment=”247485″]Uni-Watchers, long time no see. I used to be a regular reader, but since losing my job about a month ago, I have neglected this, my favorite site, a little too much.

Anyway. I write now to ask for a favor… Ballsy of me, I know, but if there was any group out there that can help me it is you guys.

Basically I am in an MLB 2K8 league with some buddies. It has become kind of a tradition in our leagues that victories get bragged about by posting a picture of a hot girl wearing the winning teams apparel. Normally this isnt hard to find, but for some reason I cant find any Dodgers stuff.

Can you guys help me with some links? I would greatly appreciate it.

Just for the record, the Mets, Yanks, Red Sox and Tigers were not allowed to be chosen.[/quote]

Good luck with the job hunt.

link

link

[quote comment=”247487″]All I can say is, UCLA’s colors never looked so damn good . . .

link

Sorry, I couldn’t scroll past the beautiful smile to see the UCLA colors.

[quote comment=”247407″]Isn’t Prince Fielder just wearing his pants like they did a long long time ago, as you see worn during some of the early 1900’s throwback games?[/quote]

Yep…and just goes to show you around here it really doesn’t matter what you do…you can’t win.

[quote comment=”247514″][quote comment=”247485″]Uni-Watchers, long time no see. I used to be a regular reader, but since losing my job about a month ago, I have neglected this, my favorite site, a little too much.

Anyway. I write now to ask for a favor… Ballsy of me, I know, but if there was any group out there that can help me it is you guys.

Basically I am in an MLB 2K8 league with some buddies. It has become kind of a tradition in our leagues that victories get bragged about by posting a picture of a hot girl wearing the winning teams apparel. Normally this isnt hard to find, but for some reason I cant find any Dodgers stuff.

Can you guys help me with some links? I would greatly appreciate it.

Just for the record, the Mets, Yanks, Red Sox and Tigers were not allowed to be chosen.[/quote]

Good luck with the job hunt.

link

link[/quote]

link

ok i go to Wagner and i have no clue who Matt Powers is and its probably some form of blasphemy but who is he, who did he play for?

Walt Hameline, The head coach at Wagner, used to ask the same question. Unfortunately, it was often from 1995 to 1998!

[quote comment=”247516″][quote comment=”247487″]All I can say is, UCLA’s colors never looked so damn good . . .

link

Sorry, I couldn’t scroll past the beautiful smile to see the UCLA colors.[/quote]

Which one, the blondes or the brunette below her?

If that Wild fan in the background would’ve had his free patch affixed to his jersey he would have been a shoe-in first-ballot UniWatch Hall of Famer. Too bad.

Can NHLers wear non-RBK breezers pants?

link

[quote comment=”247521″][quote comment=”247517″][quote comment=”247394″]Wow. Most graphic designers cringe (or worse) when they see design contests like the one the New York-Penn League is holding. They are extremely unethical. They are usually a way to avoid paying fair market value for a professionally-designed logo.

At first glance It seems like a harmless and fun way to get fans involved–but this is not targeted toward children or amateurs. The call-for-entries asks for “serious artists” and requires the logo be designed using professional software. Contests like these make it difficult for professional designers to charge market value for their work when others are offering those services in exchange for a “prize packet.” Sigh.[/quote]

Or pro designers are already charging way above “market rate”[/quote]

Huh? A logo is the company’s first impression. its their Identity, who they are. It should be one of the most important items on a new company’s ‘to do’ list. (I said one of the…not the most important) Having your 12 yr old nephew design a logo for your business is just as bad as having him put an addition on your house. And for sports organizations…they make money DIRECTLY OFF the logo. I don’t think its too much to ask that the designer, who rarely sees a cent of that money, gets a decent paycheck at the beginning.[/quote]

and if they deem the 12 year olds work is worthy of their company so be it. Just because the “artist” thinks their work is better or worth more does not make it so.

[quote comment=”247528″]If that Wild fan in the background would’ve had his free patch affixed to his jersey he would have been a shoe-in first-ballot UniWatch Hall of Famer. Too bad.

Can NHLers wear non-RBK breezers pants?

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I really don’t pay that much attention to the Wild, but that’s a damn nice-looking uniform.

[quote comment=”247526″][quote comment=”247516″][quote comment=”247487″]All I can say is, UCLA’s colors never looked so damn good . . .

link

Sorry, I couldn’t scroll past the beautiful smile to see the UCLA colors.[/quote]

Which one, the blondes or the brunette below her?[/quote]

God, I went to the wrong college . . .
link

Is it just me or is one of the people holding a Canada flag in that Wild patch. Anyone else find this weird for an American team?

[quote]Having your 12 yr old nephew design a logo for your business is just as bad as having him put an addition on your house.[/quote]

so THAT’S what the devil rays are doing…that new ballpark will be just swell

[quote comment=”247512″]

A little off the topic, but when was the last time you saw four pitchers in the link?[/quote]

Ok, that’s just bizzarre. Is there any explanation for this? If you read down to the play-by-play for the game, none of the pitchers who were listed as starters at a position (Dennis Leonard, Jim Colborn and Andy Hassler actually appeared in the game. Leonard and Colborn were pinch-hit for in the 1st inning (by regular starters Hal McRae and Al Cowens) and Hassler was replaced at 1st base in the bottom of the inning by John Mayberry. Had Whitey Herzog gome off his meds for the day? Did he let his kids (or grandkids) make out the line-up card? Did he lose a bet?

I know it’s been brought up before, but UCLA seems to have trouble deciding exactly which blue they use – sometimes it’s powder, sometimes royal, and sometimes navy.

[quote comment=”247530″][quote comment=”247521″][quote comment=”247517″][quote comment=”247394″]Wow. Most graphic designers cringe (or worse) when they see design contests like the one the New York-Penn League is holding. They are extremely unethical. They are usually a way to avoid paying fair market value for a professionally-designed logo.

At first glance It seems like a harmless and fun way to get fans involved–but this is not targeted toward children or amateurs. The call-for-entries asks for “serious artists” and requires the logo be designed using professional software. Contests like these make it difficult for professional designers to charge market value for their work when others are offering those services in exchange for a “prize packet.” Sigh.[/quote]

Or pro designers are already charging way above “market rate”[/quote]

Huh? A logo is the company’s first impression. its their Identity, who they are. It should be one of the most important items on a new company’s ‘to do’ list. (I said one of the…not the most important) Having your 12 yr old nephew design a logo for your business is just as bad as having him put an addition on your house. And for sports organizations…they make money DIRECTLY OFF the logo. I don’t think its too much to ask that the designer, who rarely sees a cent of that money, gets a decent paycheck at the beginning.[/quote]

and if they deem the 12 year olds work is worthy of their company so be it. Just because the “artist” thinks their work is better or worth more does not make it so.[/quote]

You’re right…a 12 year old that can design is no worse than a 50 year old that can design. But my point was more that it gets old hearing that Graphic Designers get paid too much. We don’t. there isn’t a whole lot of money out there. For every logo that is created for 100k, there are thousands of designers making under 50k a year. We don’t draw pictures all day which is what the general public think we do. There is knowledge behind making something look good. Knowledge gained with years of practice and education. The time that goes into an identity system goes beyond illustration time. And don’t forget, our costs of hardware and software can easily go over $5k. And fonts aren’t cheap. It all adds up into that “well above market price” you are talking about…

[quote comment=”247541″][quote comment=”247512″]

A little off the topic, but when was the last time you saw four pitchers in the link?[/quote]

Ok, that’s just bizzarre. Is there any explanation for this? If you read down to the play-by-play for the game, none of the pitchers who were listed as starters at a position (Dennis Leonard, Jim Colborn and Andy Hassler actually appeared in the game. Leonard and Colborn were pinch-hit for in the 1st inning (by regular starters Hal McRae and Al Cowens) and Hassler was replaced at 1st base in the bottom of the inning by John Mayberry. Had Whitey Herzog gome off his meds for the day? Did he let his kids (or grandkids) make out the line-up card? Did he lose a bet?[/quote]

I can’t remember any of the specifics but I do remember the story and If I’m remembering correctly it was to guarantee that those pitchers had the day off.

[quote comment=”247550″][quote comment=”247541″][quote comment=”247512″]

A little off the topic, but when was the last time you saw four pitchers in the link?[/quote]

Ok, that’s just bizzarre. Is there any explanation for this? If you read down to the play-by-play for the game, none of the pitchers who were listed as starters at a position (Dennis Leonard, Jim Colborn and Andy Hassler actually appeared in the game. Leonard and Colborn were pinch-hit for in the 1st inning (by regular starters Hal McRae and Al Cowens) and Hassler was replaced at 1st base in the bottom of the inning by John Mayberry. Had Whitey Herzog gome off his meds for the day? Did he let his kids (or grandkids) make out the line-up card? Did he lose a bet?[/quote]

I can’t remember any of the specifics but I do remember the story and If I’m remembering correctly it was to guarantee that those pitchers had the day off.[/quote]

Whitey didn’t trust himself to simply NOT send them down to the bullpen? It’s a plausible explanation, but still really, really odd.
Though I guess it’s no less odd than Billy Martin using link and Rhoden getting 2 plate appearances (he grounded out and drove in a run with a Sac Fly).

[quote comment=”247558″][quote comment=”247550″][quote comment=”247541″][quote comment=”247512″]

A little off the topic, but when was the last time you saw four pitchers in the link?[/quote]

Ok, that’s just bizzarre. Is there any explanation for this? If you read down to the play-by-play for the game, none of the pitchers who were listed as starters at a position (Dennis Leonard, Jim Colborn and Andy Hassler actually appeared in the game. Leonard and Colborn were pinch-hit for in the 1st inning (by regular starters Hal McRae and Al Cowens) and Hassler was replaced at 1st base in the bottom of the inning by John Mayberry. Had Whitey Herzog gome off his meds for the day? Did he let his kids (or grandkids) make out the line-up card? Did he lose a bet?[/quote]

I can’t remember any of the specifics but I do remember the story and If I’m remembering correctly it was to guarantee that those pitchers had the day off.[/quote]

Whitey didn’t trust himself to simply NOT send them down to the bullpen? It’s a plausible explanation, but still really, really odd.
Though I guess it’s no less odd than Billy Martin using link and Rhoden getting 2 plate appearances (he grounded out and drove in a run with a Sac Fly).[/quote]
The difference there is that Rhoden was actually a pretty good hitter back in the day (not just a good hitting pitcher, but a good hitter). Whitey’s was just a gimmick to save him from himself.

[quote comment=”247559″]I’m clandestinely posting from work and can’t find the answer quickly and I know I’ll get it quick from you all because I know we’ve talked about it before.

Besides the Brewers, who else doesn’t have the city name on the front of their away jerseys?[/quote]

The Phillies have the team name both Home and Away.

[quote comment=”247538″][quote comment=”247494″]Hey Paul,

I have a question related to the cream colored unis the giants and Phillies wear.

Were the original unis cream colored on purpose or were they intended to be white, (but appeared cream due to the type of material?)

Here’s an link about the Giants change to cream at Willie Mays’ request.[/quote]

It’s really hard to get wool to be truly white. Most of the old pre-polyester uniforms were slightly off-white. When someone asks for, say, a 1969 Mets treatment for his Uni Watch membership card, Scott and I take this into account and make the background slightly off-white.

Current off-white/cream/etc. uniforms: Giants home, Phillies alt, Indians alt. Also, the original Diamondbacks home uni (the one that was replaced last year by the current design), was off-white (which I’m guessing was done at the direction of Buck Showalter).[/quote]

Something along the lines of this topic: didnt the Astros wear off-white road uniforms in the late 80’s, early 90’s? How did they get away w/ that?

[quote comment=”247547″][quote comment=”247530″][quote comment=”247521″][quote comment=”247517″][quote comment=”247394″]Wow. Most graphic designers cringe (or worse) when they see design contests like the one the New York-Penn League is holding. They are extremely unethical. They are usually a way to avoid paying fair market value for a professionally-designed logo.

At first glance It seems like a harmless and fun way to get fans involved–but this is not targeted toward children or amateurs. The call-for-entries asks for “serious artists” and requires the logo be designed using professional software. Contests like these make it difficult for professional designers to charge market value for their work when others are offering those services in exchange for a “prize packet.” Sigh.[/quote]

Or pro designers are already charging way above “market rate”[/quote]

Huh? A logo is the company’s first impression. its their Identity, who they are. It should be one of the most important items on a new company’s ‘to do’ list. (I said one of the…not the most important) Having your 12 yr old nephew design a logo for your business is just as bad as having him put an addition on your house. And for sports organizations…they make money DIRECTLY OFF the logo. I don’t think its too much to ask that the designer, who rarely sees a cent of that money, gets a decent paycheck at the beginning.[/quote]

and if they deem the 12 year olds work is worthy of their company so be it. Just because the “artist” thinks their work is better or worth more does not make it so.[/quote]

You’re right…a 12 year old that can design is no worse than a 50 year old that can design. But my point was more that it gets old hearing that Graphic Designers get paid too much. We don’t. there isn’t a whole lot of money out there. For every logo that is created for 100k, there are thousands of designers making under 50k a year. We don’t draw pictures all day which is what the general public think we do. There is knowledge behind making something look good. Knowledge gained with years of practice and education. The time that goes into an identity system goes beyond illustration time. And don’t forget, our costs of hardware and software can easily go over $5k. And fonts aren’t cheap. It all adds up into that “well above market price” you are talking about…[/quote]

Of course its not cheap to be trained, but if someone is willing to do it for less, then you are by definition overcharging. Your overcharging comes in part from your resources overcharging you. But it does not change the fact that the work can be done cheaper.

[quote comment=”247564″][quote comment=”247562″][quote comment=”247559″]I’m clandestinely posting from work and can’t find the answer quickly and I know I’ll get it quick from you all because I know we’ve talked about it before.

Besides the Brewers, who else doesn’t have the city name on the front of their away jerseys?[/quote]
Orioles[/quote]

rays?[/quote]
cardinals

[quote comment=”247541″][quote comment=”247512″]

A little off the topic, but when was the last time you saw four pitchers in the link?[/quote]

Ok, that’s just bizzarre. Is there any explanation for this? If you read down to the play-by-play for the game, none of the pitchers who were listed as starters at a position (Dennis Leonard, Jim Colborn and Andy Hassler actually appeared in the game. Leonard and Colborn were pinch-hit for in the 1st inning (by regular starters Hal McRae and Al Cowens) and Hassler was replaced at 1st base in the bottom of the inning by John Mayberry. Had Whitey Herzog gome off his meds for the day? Did he let his kids (or grandkids) make out the line-up card? Did he lose a bet?[/quote]

Well, I’m so glad you asked. I went to this game. When I arrived, the YS message board posted the line-ups with just the numbers and positions. When I saw 22, 48, 16 in the KC line-up, I just thought the board operator was having a bad day. NO.

The game was played a month after KC’s second trip into NY and the last game of the previous series was mysteriously rained out. It happen to coincide with a Billy vs. George crisis and the game was banged while the Yanks brass re-grouped.

Whitey Herzog was so pissed at having to come back to NY for one day that the line-up card was his personal protest. KC had two pinch-hitters in the first inning and John Mayberry was a defensive replacement for Andy Hassler.

The only thing that would have made it a little more interesting is if they started Larry Gura in place of George Brett, but George was in the original line-up.

There’s an okay article in yesterdays Wall Street Journal about the future of the Gotham Lacrosse league given the demise of 2007 champion Bear Stearns. link
The obvious uni issue comes from watching the related photo slideshow. If these guys are making mega bucks on Wall Street, can’t they afford better anything better than cotton t-shirts for jerseys?
Photo show –http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120714896252883399.html

[quote comment=”247417″][quote comment=”247408″]Atlanta’s team is the Dream because the ATL was home to Dr. King, he of the “I have a dream” speech.

At the very least the WNBA has gotten away from the trend whereby they were naming teams comparable to the city’s NBA counterparts (Sting for Hornets, Sol for Heat, Mystics for Wizards, etc.). Of course, in Atlanta, which already has Hawks, Thrashers, and Falcons, another bird name probably would have been more apropos. But there aren’t that many birds that haven’t been used already . . .[/quote]

Meadowlarks . . . it’s a bird’s name, plus, it harkens to Meadowlark Lemon, the Globetrotter star who was born up the road in Wilmington, NC. Would have been especially appropriate given the roles both the Globetrotters and the city of Atlanta have played in African American culture.[/quote]

FYI: Way back in ’69 or so, the new Portland NBA franchise had a name-the-team contest. My own entry (with all the creativity a 9-year-old could muster) was “Pacifics.” I remember that the 2nd place entry (after Trailblazers, of course) was “Meadowlarks.” It does harken back to Meadowlark Lemon, but if I recall correctly, it’s also the state bird of Oregon.

Who are the other teams besides the Mets that use multiple batting helmets (black, blue, fade)? I know the Brewers use a different helmet with their retro Unis, and I think the A’s have 2 helmets. Is there any other teams?

[quote comment=”247576″][quote comment=”247417″][quote comment=”247408″]Atlanta’s team is the Dream because the ATL was home to Dr. King, he of the “I have a dream” speech.

At the very least the WNBA has gotten away from the trend whereby they were naming teams comparable to the city’s NBA counterparts (Sting for Hornets, Sol for Heat, Mystics for Wizards, etc.). Of course, in Atlanta, which already has Hawks, Thrashers, and Falcons, another bird name probably would have been more apropos. But there aren’t that many birds that haven’t been used already . . .[/quote]

Meadowlarks . . . it’s a bird’s name, plus, it harkens to Meadowlark Lemon, the Globetrotter star who was born up the road in Wilmington, NC. Would have been especially appropriate given the roles both the Globetrotters and the city of Atlanta have played in African American culture.[/quote]

FYI: Way back in ’69 or so, the new Portland NBA franchise had a name-the-team contest. My own entry (with all the creativity a 9-year-old could muster) was “Pacifics.” I remember that the 2nd place entry (after Trailblazers, of course) was “Meadowlarks.” It does harken back to Meadowlark Lemon, but if I recall correctly, it’s also the state bird of Oregon.[/quote]

Help me out UW, To this day, I have no inkling as to the meaning of link

[quote comment=”247559″]I’m clandestinely posting from work and can’t find the answer quickly and I know I’ll get it quick from you all because I know we’ve talked about it before.

Besides the Brewers, who else doesn’t have the city name on the front of their away jerseys?[/quote]
Add the Angels to the list.

[quote comment=”247460″][quote comment=”247374″]Re Liverpool in Black.

The uniform standard only applies to FA matchs (league, Carling cup,a nd FA cup).

You’ll see a lot of different uniforms and fonts from the english teams when they are playing in the champions league or in uefa cup.[/quote]

Liverpool used to wear the Futura letters but without the FA logo in the number. But I think the manufacturer stepped in and asked that the Reds use one of their proprietary number fonts. Kind of “subtle” advertising.[/quote]

This change came with Liverpool’s move from Reebok to Adidas, except for the special edition UEFA Champions League Winners’ jerseys from 2005, which had a special golden font.

[quote comment=”247559″]I’m clandestinely posting from work and can’t find the answer quickly and I know I’ll get it quick from you all because I know we’ve talked about it before.

Besides the Brewers, who else doesn’t have the city name on the front of their away jerseys?[/quote]

Orioles (rather controversially — there’s been a movement to change that for some time).

Cardinals. Phillies.

[quote comment=”247581″][quote comment=”247576″][quote comment=”247417″][quote comment=”247408″]Atlanta’s team is the Dream because the ATL was home to Dr. King, he of the “I have a dream” speech.

At the very least the WNBA has gotten away from the trend whereby they were naming teams comparable to the city’s NBA counterparts (Sting for Hornets, Sol for Heat, Mystics for Wizards, etc.). Of course, in Atlanta, which already has Hawks, Thrashers, and Falcons, another bird name probably would have been more apropos. But there aren’t that many birds that haven’t been used already . . .[/quote]

Meadowlarks . . . it’s a bird’s name, plus, it harkens to Meadowlark Lemon, the Globetrotter star who was born up the road in Wilmington, NC. Would have been especially appropriate given the roles both the Globetrotters and the city of Atlanta have played in African American culture.[/quote]

FYI: Way back in ’69 or so, the new Portland NBA franchise had a name-the-team contest. My own entry (with all the creativity a 9-year-old could muster) was “Pacifics.” I remember that the 2nd place entry (after Trailblazers, of course) was “Meadowlarks.” It does harken back to Meadowlark Lemon, but if I recall correctly, it’s also the state bird of Oregon.[/quote]

Help me out UW, To this day, I have no inkling as to the meaning of link[/quote]

Didn’t the logo used to stand straight up and down? When it is position that way, it formed a lowercase “t” and backwards lowercase “p” for Portland Put them together “tb”.

[quote comment=”247578″]Who are the other teams besides the Mets that use multiple batting helmets (black, blue, fade)? I know the Brewers use a different helmet with their retro Unis, and I think the A’s have 2 helmets. Is there any other teams?[/quote]

The Cubs have a home blue helmet and a road Blue with Red brim.

[quote comment=”247572″][quote comment=”247541″][quote comment=”247512″]

A little off the topic, but when was the last time you saw four pitchers in the link?[/quote]

Ok, that’s just bizzarre. Is there any explanation for this? If you read down to the play-by-play for the game, none of the pitchers who were listed as starters at a position (Dennis Leonard, Jim Colborn and Andy Hassler actually appeared in the game. Leonard and Colborn were pinch-hit for in the 1st inning (by regular starters Hal McRae and Al Cowens) and Hassler was replaced at 1st base in the bottom of the inning by John Mayberry. Had Whitey Herzog gome off his meds for the day? Did he let his kids (or grandkids) make out the line-up card? Did he lose a bet?[/quote]

Well, I’m so glad you asked. I went to this game. When I arrived, the YS message board posted the line-ups with just the numbers and positions. When I saw 22, 48, 16 in the KC line-up, I just thought the board operator was having a bad day. NO.

The game was played a month after KC’s second trip into NY and the last game of the previous series was mysteriously rained out. It happen to coincide with a Billy vs. George crisis and the game was banged while the Yanks brass re-grouped.[/quote]

Geez, if the Yankees “rained out” a game in 1977 every time there was a George-Billy dust-up, Reggie wouldn’t have hit his 3 home runs in the World Series because they would still be playing the 1977 REGULAR SEASON!

[quote comment=”247520″][quote comment=”247514″][quote comment=”247485″]Uni-Watchers, long time no see. I used to be a regular reader, but since losing my job about a month ago, I have neglected this, my favorite site, a little too much.

Anyway. I write now to ask for a favor… Ballsy of me, I know, but if there was any group out there that can help me it is you guys.

Basically I am in an MLB 2K8 league with some buddies. It has become kind of a tradition in our leagues that victories get bragged about by posting a picture of a hot girl wearing the winning teams apparel. Normally this isnt hard to find, but for some reason I cant find any Dodgers stuff.

Can you guys help me with some links? I would greatly appreciate it.

Just for the record, the Mets, Yanks, Red Sox and Tigers were not allowed to be chosen.[/quote]

Good luck with the job hunt.

link

link[/quote]

link[/quote]

You guys all rock. Well, most of you anyway. I knew I could count on Uni-Watchers. Why? Because no one else understands our passion for Uni details and we need to stick together.

Seriously, thanks. Some of these are definitely going to be victory posts.

But seriously, did anyone else notice how hard it was for the Dodgers? Is that odd or what. I did a little research by trying to find girls in aparel from more obscure teams. Still, my word holds true. It seems like the Dodgers are just a weird anomaly. Seeing as how many sickly hot woman there are in LA, that makes it doubly strange.

Regarding the tampered gloves used in the Luis Resto-Billy Collins fight…I remember watching that fight on TV. It was on the undercard of the epic Roberto Duran-Davey Moore title bout.

Collins was a rising young fighter, but when he returned to his corner, he told his dad/trainer, “It feels like I’m getting hit with rocks.” Now we know how right he was.

Resto did some jail time for the assault, as did his trainer. Resto was also suspended for life from boxing.

For the strong-of-stomach, link

Liverpool did not put Carling (a beer brand) on its kits versus Olympique Marseille at Marseille because France (and Canada too) has banned all alcohol and tobacco advertising on television. There has been a picture posted on Uniwatch in the past of Glasgow Rangers with the same thing on their kit when they played at Lyon. ManUtd wore their white change strip from last year at Roma because this year’s is black and may have been deemed too close in color to Roma’s dark red.

Watching the Tigers/White Sox. All the players are wearing long sleeves – or so it appears. Check out Carlos Guillen’s latest accessory:

link

[quote comment=”247609″]Watching the Tigers/White Sox. All the players are wearing long sleeves – or so it appears. Check out Carlos Guillen’s latest accessory:

link[/quote]

arent those link?

the one’s linked are for golf, but im sure they also translate to other sports

[quote comment=”247603″]Maybe I am biased (being a Cubs fan), but I really do think those home Cubbie pinstripes are some of the best looking jerseys in all of sports. The away jerseys are boring, the blues are comical, but those home whites are just plain gorgeous, especially with the pants up and the blue socks showing.

As a Cardinals fan, it pains me to say that I have to agree. Cubs home pinstripes are one of the top 5 jerseys in baseball (Cubs, Dodgers, Yankees, Cards, Red Sox). There is nothing prettier than when the Cards and Cubs play in Wrigley for a summer day game.[/quote]

I agree!

[quote comment=”247601″]You wouldn’t want linkmaking out a line-up card?[/quote]

i’d rather have link…seems to know his shit pretty well ;)

love those stirrups

[quote comment=”247428″][quote comment=”247390″][quote comment=”247387″][quote comment=”247382″]Phillies Throwbacks look like they left the white unis in some bleach and mud…washed off the red stripes and looks like someone hurled on them…kind of like the nasty looking things the Giants were in SF[/quote]

I thought they looked very nice. Much better and more creative alternate uniform than most teams come up with.[/quote]

The only (minor) drawback was using the red batting helmets with the alternates. Would have looked much better with a blue batting helmet (to match the alternate cap).[/quote]That’s the exact thought I had. Why wouldn’t they change the helmets to match the caps???[/quote]

I would have liked to see blue stirrups with red stripes too. Jimmy Rollin’s red stirrups didn’t match his blue cap.

The Phillies did wear blue helmets… link.

[quote comment=”247510″]Regarding this part of the Braves switch:
And then when Blanco came in to play the outfield he took Resop’s pitcher’s glove back out and gave it back to him

Is this legal? Are players allowed to swap equipment from batter to batter. I vaguely remember an ambidextrous pitcher who had a specially made glove that could be worn on either hand. I assumed he did this because it was against the rules for the bench to throw out the new glove when he needed to switch.[/quote]

I don’t see why it wouldn’t. Players shift positions pretty rarely mid-inning and in some cases it would even be required. OF generally have bigger gloves, infielders, smaller (pretty sure that’s how it goes). And of course there are 1st basemen and catchers with their mits. I think there are actual rules regarding max glove sizes for positions.

[quote comment=”247559″]I’m clandestinely posting from work and can’t find the answer quickly and I know I’ll get it quick from you all because I know we’ve talked about it before.

Besides the Brewers, who else doesn’t have the city name on the front of their away jerseys?[/quote]

The Twins, but that’s because we use Minnesota, not Minneapolis or St. Paul.

That’s a joke, by the way, people. I’m just saying.

[quote comment=”247390″][quote comment=”247387″][quote comment=”247382″]Phillies Throwbacks look like they left the white unis in some bleach and mud…washed off the red stripes and looks like someone hurled on them…kind of like the nasty looking things the Giants were in SF[/quote]

I thought they looked very nice. Much better and more creative alternate uniform than most teams come up with.[/quote]

The only (minor) drawback was using the red batting helmets with the alternates. Would have looked much better with a blue batting helmet (to match the alternate cap).[/quote]

I couldn’t disagree more. I think the blue caps really did not look good. But they are similar to the caps they wore with the cream-colored uniforms. They should have gone with link, NNOB, and all the players should have worn their socks like Rollins. (Really, they should have gone with red stirrups. That would have been awesome.)

Wait what is so disturbing about the Lego models? I think they’re really cool what he can create, and I can’t imagine how hard. I’ve been to Legoland in Denmark and was amazed at the detail and quality of the sculptures.

Re: The only (minor) drawback was using the red batting helmets with the alternates. Would have looked much better with a blue batting helmet (to match the alternate cap).

That’s because MLB doesn’t sell a lot of batting helmets, but they sell a lot of alternate jerseys. They will spend the money to create numerous types of jerseys becuase they can sell them, but are too cheap to create the matching batting helmets.

Of course its not cheap to be trained, but if someone is willing to do it for less, then you are by definition overcharging. Your overcharging comes in part from your resources overcharging you. But it does not change the fact that the work can be done cheaper.

—————————

Of course most graphic designers cringe when they see these sort of contests. Because it further breaks down the eliteism they have enjoyed for so long. But now that high end computer designing programs are available to the “common man”, maybe it’s becoming more apparent that in some cases what separated professional designers was the tools rather than the talent?
All this whining about “ethics” & “market value” is to guilt others into letting the pro designers still have their cake.
The only ethical thing the NY-Penn League needs to be worried about should be coming up with the best logo for its brand.
And market value is getting your need met at whatever price someone is willing to do it for.

The same thing is happening in various other mediums: movies, advertising, music, publishing, etc. The realization is that the only thing that kept regular people from excelling in these areas was the prohibitive cost of producing material. Due to the ease and acessibility of the implements needed nowadays to do these things, of course the establishment is going to start screaming “foul” and trot out misnomers like “ethics” and “market value”.

Blah.

Lee

The problem I have (and I am by no means speaking for everyone, or every designer) is that, really, you should be creating your brand to speak for your entire organization. A logo isn’t something that should just be thought up by some guy that thought “Hey this looks cool.” Your brand is who you are and represents you throughout your entire catalog of media.

There are a lot of designers out there trying to make a living designing brand identities for a number of different companies and organizations. These people take their jobs very seriously and expect to be compensated for their services. If the NY-P league was asking for just anyone anywhere to come up with design ideas in exchange for this prize packet they are rewarding then that would be fine with me. The fact is that they were requesting expert, professional design work done with professional software. This request is outrageous for anyone to make when their only means of compensation is tickets to games, a few hats and t-shirts and the chance to throw a baseball.

I won’t get into the pricing of the software, fonts or whatever else may be needed for a project like this. My only concern is that they are asking for professional help with a logo that will (presumably) represent their organizations for years/decades. If this is the kind of thing you are looking for then you should be paying a professional.

Just my opinion, take it or leave it. But this one really got to me. I’ve seen contests before where they just put it out there to the common man. Not someone with access to professional design software only. Those were fine with me. But, if you are requesting professional services you should be paying professional prices.

To whom it may concern;
I am having a custom football figure made from the 1976 season and in one photograph of the reference photo, this redskins player (Chris Hanburger) wore the patch on his white jersey, but I have not been able to find out whether the Redskins wore the patch for the Burgundy jersey as well. Do you have insight or information about whether NFL teams, specifically the redskins, decided to wear the bicentenial patches on only one set of jerseys or did they wear these patches throughout the season? Thanks for your time and attention in this matter.

Sincerely,

Matt Carey
Arlington, VA.

[quote comment=”247621″][quote comment=”247601″]You wouldn’t want linkmaking out a line-up card?[/quote]

i’d rather have link…seems to know his shit pretty well ;)

love those stirrups[/quote]

That guy just writes down everyboy else’s line-up (link just last night, in fact).

Stripes didn’t belong with that set, but alas, there was no choice in 1971. You are hereby ordered to send that photo to the recycle bin at once!

[quote comment=”247537″]Is it just me or is one of the people holding a Canada flag in that Wild patch. Anyone else find this weird for an American team?[/quote]
I think it’s just you.

link does not equal link.

[quote comment=”247629″][quote comment=”247625″]The Phillies did wear blue helmets… link.[/quote]

is that a blue cap in nails’ back pocket?[/quote]
Yes, they wore blue caps/helmets during the season-opening series in ’94 against the Rockies (I believe). Lost all 3 games, never to wear them again.

[quote comment=”247396″][quote comment=”247386″]How much is the name frame going to cost? it seems like a great idea. i have my college jersey framed but with nnob. would love something like this.[/quote]

Hey guys…thanks for all of the kind words! I did not expect it to be a feature!

I’m working out the pricing, but I would say (depending on the amount of colors for the lettering) they will be in the $75 – $95 range. Does that sound appropriate to you all? The feedback would greatly help![/quote]

sounds reaonsable. I like it!

[quote comment=”247651″][quote comment=”247621″][quote comment=”247601″]You wouldn’t want linkmaking out a line-up card?[/quote]

i’d rather have link…seems to know his shit pretty well ;)

love those stirrups[/quote]

That guy just writes down everyboy else’s line-up (link just last night, in fact).

Stripes didn’t belong with that set, but alas, there was no choice in 1971. You are hereby ordered to send that photo to the recycle bin at once![/quote]

There, link fixed! Do you think this could get me a gig with Topps?

[quote comment=”247655″][quote comment=”247629″][quote comment=”247625″]The Phillies did wear blue helmets… link.[/quote]

is that a blue cap in nails’ back pocket?[/quote]
Yes, they wore blue caps/helmets during the season-opening series in ’94 against the Rockies (I believe). Lost all 3 games, never to wear them again.[/quote]

good…because i was afraid it was either link or link

and…is his cap folded backwards?

[quote comment=”247659″][quote comment=”247639″]Wait what is so disturbing about the Lego models? I think they’re really cool what he can create, and I can’t imagine how hard.[/quote]

Better yet, how ironic that someone who runs a website that by his own admission is obsessed with such things as stirrups, stripes and NOB’s says that someone else is “out of hand” and “disturbing”…[/quote]

That’s not ironic at all. Hypocritical, maybe, but I don’t see irony there.

[quote comment=”247664″][quote comment=”247655″][quote comment=”247629″][quote comment=”247625″]The Phillies did wear blue helmets… link.[/quote]

is that a blue cap in nails’ back pocket?[/quote]
Yes, they wore blue caps/helmets during the season-opening series in ’94 against the Rockies (I believe). Lost all 3 games, never to wear them again.[/quote]

good…because i was afraid it was either link or link

Based on the HBO Real Sports piece recently aired, more like link.

[quote comment=”247593″][quote comment=”247581″]Help me out UW, To this day, I have no inkling as to the meaning of link[/quote]

The team’s “pinwheel” logo, originally designed by the cousin of former Blazer executive Harry Glickman, is a graphic interpretation of two five-on-five basketball teams lined up against each other. One side of the pinwheel is rendered in red; the other side is rendered in a monochrome color (black, silver, or white). The logo has gone from a vertical alignment to a slanted one over time.

link

hey link…love ya buddy[/quote]

I always preferred the first explanation that I heard about the Blazers’ logo (although it’s obviously wrong) when I was a kid, that it was supposed to resemble carvings made by true ‘trail blazers’ marking their progress as they explored the Northwest in the 19th century.

[quote comment=”247402″]Sportscenter said the last time the pitcher outfielder switch was with the mariners. 1993 i think they said, under piniella[/quote]

Yes, they did – against the Red Sox at Fenway. I was at the game with my father. Here’s the box score: link

Jeff Nelson played left field for one out, I believe.

[quote comment=”247664″][quote comment=”247655″][quote comment=”247629″][quote comment=”247625″]The Phillies did wear blue helmets… link.[/quote]

is that a blue cap in nails’ back pocket?[/quote]
Yes, they wore blue caps/helmets during the season-opening series in ’94 against the Rockies (I believe). Lost all 3 games, never to wear them again.[/quote]

good…because i was afraid it was either link or link

and…is his cap folded backwards?[/quote]

The hats were actually the same deal day game caps(although i think only weekday games). The phillies lost the first two or three games with them then quickly ditched them.

[quote comment=”247678″][quote comment=”247663″]Were they trying to do something similar to the Earl Weaver DH thing? Way back, Earl wrote the previous day’s pitcher as the DH just so he could keep his righty/lefty options open when the DH spot finally came up. MLB banned the practice soon after.

DGC, I’m curious as to how the league could ban this. It’s not much different from a player being announced into the game and then pinch hit for. Did they rule that all the players in the starting lineup have to either take the field at least once, or come to bat at least once (in the same way that a relief pitcher must face one batter)? That’s the only explanation I can think of.

In the Japanese Central League, where you don’t have to announce your pitcher in advance, Katsuya Nomura would put another starting pitcher at first base, and then sub in the platoon partner who used the opposite hand of whatever pitcher the other team decided to use. It befuddled non-obsessed fans who thought the scoreboard operator had made a mistake.[/quote]

I think was some sort of “starting DH must have a plate appearance” rule. It was in the excellent “Weaver on Strategy” book. One time Earl even wrote in the name of pitcher not even in the same city. If you do a google search on “Earl Weaver DH” you get a bunch of references to it.[/quote]
If that’s the rule, it was enacted after the Yankees/Royals game that we were discussing earlier. Dennis Leonard (a pitcher) was in the lineup as the starting pitcher and was pinch-hit for by Hal McRae in the first inning . . .

[quote comment=”247681″]
I think was some sort of “starting DH must have a plate appearance” rule. It was in the excellent “Weaver on Strategy” book. One time Earl even wrote in the name of pitcher not even in the same city. If you do a google search on “Earl Weaver DH” you get a bunch of references to it.[/quote]
If that’s the rule, it was enacted after the Yankees/Royals game that we were discussing earlier. Dennis Leonard (a pitcher) was in the lineup as the starting pitcher and was pinch-hit for by Hal McRae in the first inning . . .[/quote]

Yeah, thanks to google books finding the actual section, Earl was writing “Steve Stone DH” in 1981. Baseball said he was messing up the pinch hitting stats.

[quote comment=”247659″]
Better yet, how ironic that someone who runs a website that by his own admission is obsessed with such things as stirrups, stripes and NOB’s says that someone else is “out of hand” and “disturbing”…[/quote]

The scent of corn flakes and urine fill the air.

*NERD ALERT*
I agree with Paul, actually. I probably own half of Denmark’s Lego, and some of these “statues” aren’t very good whatsoever. The guy’s Sox player is nowhere near the quality that Lego engineers put in, especially when it comes to the details.

The baseball stadiums were cool, but someone needs to do it up properly. The Brew Crew’s Miller Park was very interesting in terms of the retractable roof.

However, I want some realism. Scale a stadium to the size of a Lego minifig, and build from there. I want enough seats so that hundreds of “fans” can fill the stadium.

Maybe I’m a nerd, but I demand more from those who design Lego structures. After all, it was the founder of Lego who coined their company’s motto of “Only the best is good enough”.

[quote comment=”247645″]

The problem I have (and I am by no means speaking for everyone, or every designer) is that, really, you should be creating your brand to speak for your entire organization. A logo isn’t something that should just be thought up by some guy that thought “Hey this looks cool.” Your brand is who you are and represents you throughout your entire catalog of media.

There are a lot of designers out there trying to make a living designing brand identities for a number of different companies and organizations. These people take their jobs very seriously and expect to be compensated for their services. If the NY-P league was asking for just anyone anywhere to come up with design ideas in exchange for this prize packet they are rewarding then that would be fine with me. The fact is that they were requesting expert, professional design work done with professional software. This request is outrageous for anyone to make when their only means of compensation is tickets to games, a few hats and t-shirts and the chance to throw a baseball.

I won’t get into the pricing of the software, fonts or whatever else may be needed for a project like this. My only concern is that they are asking for professional help with a logo that will (presumably) represent their organizations for years/decades. If this is the kind of thing you are looking for then you should be paying a professional.

Just my opinion, take it or leave it. But this one really got to me. I’ve seen contests before where they just put it out there to the common man. Not someone with access to professional design software only. Those were fine with me. But, if you are requesting professional services you should be paying professional prices.[/quote]

so in your opinion a logo should be thought up by some highly paid guy who thinks, “hey this looks cool”.

[quote comment=”247687″]Something I didn’t realize is that all of those pitcher-to-outfield switches happen only in the NL because the if you did that in the AL you loose the DH for the remainder of the game. I guess it is treated the same as when the DH goes into the field, but I never made the connection.[/quote]

Oops, didn’t see the Sox-M’s example, but it does make it more complicated.

[quote comment=”247691″][quote comment=”247685″][quote comment=”247667″]RE: Prince Fielder, Off-Whites, etc.

Simply put, I dont see how his pants were really that bad. The worst thing ever on a baseball field? He basically looked how players did back in the “Ruth Era”. His pants were a little baggy, and pulled up higher than others, but whatever. They were WAY better than when he wears the pants low. I’d much rather have that look from everyone than the low pants.

Also, with regards to the PHI, CLE, off-white alternates. Again, I dig them for sure. But why are they so loved, when teams like SF and SD get so much flack for having ‘cream’ and ‘sand’? I’m a big Dodgers fan. Thus, not a fan at all of SF or SD. But I think both of their uni’s looks great. If ‘sand’, etc. are not liked because they are so different/not norm…then why are powder blues of KC, TOR, old ATL, etc. loved so much? It’s almost like if something is not hipster and trendy enough, it gets ripped by most. Like back to the socks for example. If a player “only” wears solid socks then it’s often noted that he looks like shit. But if he wears stirrups, then it’s the greatest thing ever. But in reality, both solid socks and stirrups have quite a bit of history in MLB.

To me, all of these, even Fielder’s pants, fall in the same category…good looking and/or could be much worse.

Thank you, and good day. :-)[/quote]

I’d agree with a lot of what you said. I personally think there’s too much push from people on this site to fit the late 70’s early 80’s look. I personally prefer the Ruth era look to any other. I think Prince deserves a pat on the back for trying, but his pants were a little too baggy for me, and they were gathered wierd at his knee. I also love the low stirrup look that a lot of guys are wearing now. But I’ve also always loved the 2 tone stirrup from the old days, that’s classic to me. See link pic for a perfect example of that stirrup and good baggy pants. And yes it is one of my all-time favorite pics, my dad said he used to have a copy on his wall when he was little. I also am a big fan of the cream uni’s of the Giants, for whatever reason their version of the color looks better than the new Phillies and Indians new duds. The sand color is also pretty sweet IMO, as much as I like the grays, a little shake up is cool too.[/quote]

Since most players that wear the high cuffs now-adays wear colored socks instead of stirupps, I’ve always wondered why they have to be solid without any stripes. Can’t teams like the Braves, Red Sox, Orioles, Cardinals etc… with great stripped sturrup history get some socks with stripes on them. It seems so odd to me that thos has not happened. (this obviouly excludes the cardinals stupid fake stirrups. The should go with a red sock with their classic stripes)[/quote]

Agreed, especially with the Sox. Red sleeves and socks with a navy cap? Let’s hope that “need to change something” spirit overcomes them again as it did with that stupid change.

I don’t know if it has been mentioned yet, but a few things from the Brewers/Giants game today:

– Fielder is still wearing his “clown pants”. I don’t think I mind them too much, he does look a lot like Babe Ruth with his body type.

– The Brewers are not wearing their Retro Uni’s even though it is a Friday. I don’t think they are phasing them out, I think it is just because it’s opening day for them in Milwaukee.

– The Crew are wearing home Cool Base uni’s today. Which, I don’t think they had last year. I believe their Blue Alt’s were the only Cool Base models.

– Finally, the Brewers are sporting a new left arm patch this year. In years past it was just their “M” on the left sleeve, but now it is the the same style as their blue alt patch, with the state of Wisconsin in the background in gold.

link

[quote comment=”247667″]RE: Prince Fielder, Off-Whites, etc.

Simply put, I dont see how his pants were really that bad. The worst thing ever on a baseball field? He basically looked how players did back in the “Ruth Era”. His pants were a little baggy, and pulled up higher than others, but whatever. They were WAY better than when he wears the pants low. I’d much rather have that look from everyone than the low pants.

Also, with regards to the PHI, CLE, off-white alternates. Again, I dig them for sure. But why are they so loved, when teams like SF and SD get so much flack for having ‘cream’ and ‘sand’? I’m a big Dodgers fan. Thus, not a fan at all of SF or SD. But I think both of their uni’s looks great. If ‘sand’, etc. are not liked because they are so different/not norm…then why are powder blues of KC, TOR, old ATL, etc. loved so much? It’s almost like if something is not hipster and trendy enough, it gets ripped by most. Like back to the socks for example. If a player “only” wears solid socks then it’s often noted that he looks like shit. But if he wears stirrups, then it’s the greatest thing ever. But in reality, both solid socks and stirrups have quite a bit of history in MLB.

To me, all of these, even Fielder’s pants, fall in the same category…good looking and/or could be much worse.

Thank you, and good day. :-)[/quote]

Terriffic post man. Couldn’t agree more with almost everything you said.

[quote comment=”247700″]link[/quote]
[quote comment=”247700″]I freaking LOVE Opening Day in Milwaukee![/quote]

One of the best times I had before a game was tailgatin’ at County Stadium. A few years later, I got to tailgate at Lambeau Field; people in Wisconsin know how to tailgate!!

Did anyone else see Joe Crede’s neckerchief today? I finally figured out he pulled his balaclava over his head and was wearing it like a detached turtleneck. Never say that before. Of course if baseball would schedule all warm weather locales for the first two weeks we wouldn’t have to freeze…

As a professional graphic designer, I am put off by the contest that will reward professional quality work with compensation a fraction of what it’s worth.

This is the same league that has teams whose identities have been designed by the likes of Todd Radom (Cyclones), Dan Simon (ValleyCats) and the Silverman Group (Lake Monsters), just to name a few. I’llbet they were compensated substantially and appropriately for their work, and not in season tickets and t-shirts.

It’s not elitism to be insulted by what some people are willing to offer for work. Personally, I have put in years of experience and training to use software and to study composition, color theory and drawing skills into my artwork. It’s one thing if I were doing pro-bono charity work for a worthy not-for-profit organization.

But when a corporation that makes quite a bit of income of its identity and promotional material decides it wants a professional makeover but is only willing to pay a fraction of its cost, it sends an insulting message to those in the trade.

[quote comment=”247687″]Something I didn’t realize is that all of those pitcher-to-outfield switches happen only in the NL because the if you did that in the AL you loose the DH for the remainder of the game. I guess it is treated the same as when the DH goes into the field, but I never made the connection.[/quote]

Not necessarily. In the AL for example, a pitcher can be placed in left field, the left fielder removed, and another pitcher brought in. In that case, you have a pitcher playing left field, a pitcher pitching, and still have the DH in the lineup.

link

Prince Fielder looking badass again today.

RE: Prince Fielder, Off-Whites, etc.

[quote comment=”247685″]But I’ve also always loved the 2 tone stirrup from the old days, that’s classic to me. See link pic for a perfect example of that stirrup and good baggy pants.[/quote]

Those are exactly the socks that I think the White Sox should go back to. White on the bottom, black on the top. Whether they’re stirrups or socks…at least they’d have some white. Imagine that.

[quote comment=”247701″]Good point there!

I think if Prince Fielder had a good thing going there…even though his pants were just a tad baggy. I REALLY LIKE Cream/tan/off white uni’s..it’s unique and calls back to the olden days of baseball. I think “perfection” when modern and classic collide.

I liked every era of baseball INCLUDING the 70’s & 80’s…why? Because everybody had their own unique look, regardless of how bad it was.

It kinda irks me sometimes when all I see is white and blue everywhere.

What happened to the flava?[/quote]

I like the 70’s and 80’s looks too, although I prefer the older ones (1950’s and earlier). I just think there’s too much emphasis towards the 70’s look on this site. Any show of respect to any era of history should get the love…and flava. :-)

Also, for you stirrup lovers, I went to the Portland Beavers opener last night. I really like the new unis…although I still will miss the red and black. Anyway, all of the bat boys had pants pulled high to show off high/medium stirrups. The franchise knows Portland and is definitely trying for the classic look. And doing a good job at it…

[quote]Whatever you do for your job… if someone out there claimed they could come in and do it half as good without any experience for free how would you feel?[/quote]

i know how my boss would feel

i’ve stayed out of the graphic design contest debate because i don’t know the answer…but i do know this…

why should i pay for something i can get for free (speaking of which, why did i join UW??? ;) )…is the value of something determined by it’s worth…or by its cost?

every argument, of course, has three sides…your side, my side, and the truth, which lies somewhere in between

by the same token that no one is forcing any graphic designer to (in essence) give away his/her work (for a pittance, apparently), there may be someone who would…is that the club’s fault? but then you take the argument that someone else used, with somewhat faulty logic, but it was a fair argument, about losing one’s job to a third world country, because their labor force can perform your job for ten cents an hour and no bathroom breaks

that would SUCK royally if im the guy down at DSS now because my job got outsourced, but i would be stoked if i were the company who just saved a couple grand

and since we all know that we’d be getting an equal or superior product, the savings from which said company will be passing along to the consumer…or…not

so…it’s a tough call here

i can see the efficacy in the contest, but morally and ethically…don’t know about that