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Even Sleeven

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When I was in fourth grade, I signed up for a local youth basketball league. I remember the uniform very clearly, because it was so disappointing: plain red shorts with no piping or other adornments (and they were really short) and a plain yellow T-shirt with a red number on the back. The T-shirt really bugged me — why couldn’t we wear tank tops, like real basketball players? Sleeves were for amateurs.

Those memories came flooding back the other day, when reader Cory Wright alerted me to the situation at Proviso East, an Illinois high school with an interesting visual signature: Their basketball jerseys have sleeves. You might think the sleeves were part of an old-school look, but the uniform graphics are actually pretty contemporary, with modern side piping and Nike-ish collarbone horns. The jerseys just happen to be T-shirts, not tank tops.

I wondered if this was a new design for this season, so I started poking around and discovered that Proviso East has been wearing sleeves for a while, as you can see in these pics from March 2007 (that shot is a capture from this video clip), December 2005, and January 2005 (here’s another shot from the same game). I also found this and this, but I’m unsure of the dates.

Sleeved hoops jerseys are rare phenomenon. Has any NBA team ever worn them? In the college ranks, the only school that comes to mind is Evansville, but they switched to tank tops a few years ago. Then again, basketball isn’t my strongest suit, so maybe there are lots of other sleeved examples out there — please feel free to bring me up to speed.

Anyway, the Proviso thing got me thinking: Have basketball jerseys always been tank tops? I figured the earliest ones must have had sleeves, if only because cultural standards of modesty were much more conservative back in those days. But if you google “early basketball team,” you get images (many of them spectacular) like this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, and this — not a sleeve in sight. The earliest photo I found was this one, from 1895, featuring a mix of tanks and tees. The only fully sleeved team I found was this one — from 1950, surprisingly. (Think they intentionally alternated the sneaker colors in the front row, or did it just work out that way?)

So it looks like basketball has almost always been sleeve-free. Which makes Proviso East’s sleeve-iness all the more puzzling. This is definitely a topic I’d like to explore in more detail — contributions welcome.

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Research Reminder: In case you missed it late last week, I’m currently compiling examples of interesting uni-borne memorial gestures. Not just the standard black armband or uni number inside a black circle — I’m looking for things a bit more inspired. Historical precedents are good, too. Send likely suspects here.

Uni Watch News Ticker: Looks like Shaun Cody’s trying (and failing) to keep his jersey snapped into his pants (good catch by Donald Moe). … Danny Kroll was recently given a pair of game-used Miami Dolphins cleats (additional pics here, here, and here) but can’t figure out who they belonged to. Anyone..? … Dustin Burns reports that one of the officials in last night’s Blues/Red Wings game apparently lost his gear and was forced to wear a generic, numberless jersey and skates borrowed from a player. … Here’s the very definition of a flagrant foul.

 

142 comments to Even Sleeven

  • Kevin G. | December 27, 2007 at 8:49 am |

    Didn’t Evansville wearing sleaves on their jerseys have some sort of signifigance to the team plane crash in 1977? I thought it was some sort of tribute or something.

  • =bg= | December 27, 2007 at 8:49 am |

    Those Dolphin cleats are interesting. No number anywhere. Nothing to ID them that I could see.
    Is he sure they’re game worn?

  • LI Phil | December 27, 2007 at 8:51 am |

    does anyone else besides me NOT like the mav’s green & blue color scheme? it just doesn’t work, IMHO

    more yellow vs. white

  • LI Phil | December 27, 2007 at 8:54 am |

    [quote comment=”193139″]Didn’t Evansville wearing sleaves on their jerseys have some sort of signifigance to the team plane crash in 1977? I thought it was some sort of tribute or something.[/quote]

    here’s a story on the sleeves

    [quote]”The main reason for the change was player comfort, which was the same reason for Coach (Arad) McCutchan’s choice back in the ’40s.”

    For the better part of 50 years, the men’s basketball team at Evansville became known for its trademark T-shirt-style uniforms introduced by McCutchan, a Hall of Fame coach, in 1947.[/quote]

  • Jason G. | December 27, 2007 at 8:58 am |

    [quote comment=”193142″]does anyone else besides me NOT like the mav’s green & blue color scheme? it just doesn’t work, IMHO

    more yellow vs. white[/quote]

    My high school’s colors were blue and green. I think it looks good when blue is the predominate color. Not so much when green is the predominate color. Our graduation robes were green with blue trim. Not a pretty sight.

  • Pat | December 27, 2007 at 8:58 am |

    [quote comment=”193142″]does anyone else besides me NOT like the mav’s green & blue color scheme? it just doesn’t work, IMHO

    more yellow vs. white[/quote]

    I am a fan of the Mavs green and blue color scheme. I am just not a fan of the alternate uniform. Definitely needs some work.

    I loved… repeat LOVED these these.

  • Roger | December 27, 2007 at 9:04 am |

    Pages 6 and 15 of this PDF show LSU in sleeved basketball jerseys in the 1950s during the Bob Pettit era.

  • Roger | December 27, 2007 at 9:05 am |

    Pages 6 and 15 of this PDF show LSU in sleeved basketball jerseys in the 1950s during the Bob Pettit era.

  • warren thompson | December 27, 2007 at 9:10 am |

    Anent T-shirt jerseys …

    I remember that the following teams wore them years ago: LIU; LaSalle; North Carolina; Texas A&M; and LSU (when Petit was there). The Baltimore Bullets had them back in the early 1950s, as did the St. Louis Bombers.

  • DenverGregg | December 27, 2007 at 9:12 am |

    My fifth grade basketball team wore t-shirt jerseys. I had similar disappointment.

  • Borg | December 27, 2007 at 9:13 am |

    The Batavia Bulldogs from suburban Illinois have striped sleeves, and have had them since the 60s. You can see them in this video:
    http://images.google...

  • todd krevanchi | December 27, 2007 at 9:17 am |

    a. proviso east (and west for that matter) is located in chicago. this team has done the t shirt for years.
    see here
    http://www.marchmadn...
    notice current spur michael finley #24 next to the head coach in the 3rd row. (in addition to top D1 recruits robinson, boyce and ford)

    b. as far as the dolphins shoes go, you can limit the choices to skill guys.

  • Kenny | December 27, 2007 at 9:20 am |

    Proviso East is in Maywood, IL, not Florida

    Michael Finley, Dee Brown, Steven Hunter, and Shannon Brown all played basketball there

  • LI Phil | December 27, 2007 at 9:21 am |

    [quote comment=”193153″]b. as far as the dolphins shoes go, you can limit the choices to skill guys.[/quote]

    so…that leaves…no one?

  • Sarah | December 27, 2007 at 9:22 am |

    The Dolphins cleats… As a Steelers fan I know that Joey Porter always wears Reebock shoes for games. My advice would be to look at player pics and look at shoes. I notice that a lot of the league wears nike cleats. Plus these cleats look a lot like what porter wore in Pittsburgh, just highlighted with orange instead of yellow.

  • =bg= | December 27, 2007 at 9:28 am |

    That Lions jersey is interesting. I got an offensive lineman jersey from the Bengals in 95- came with an NFL anniv patch and thoes funny lineman sleeves which were nothing more than circles for the arms..it had a snap thing hanging down the middle of the front. Never had seen one of those before- I think I cut it off when I had the jersey signed and then framed. a HUGE frame.

  • Borg | December 27, 2007 at 9:29 am |

    My link above about Batavia didn’t work. Here’s a picture of them instead:
    http://farm1.static....

  • LockBull | December 27, 2007 at 9:30 am |

    [quote comment=”193149″]Anent T-shirt jerseys …

    I remember that the following teams wore them years ago: LIU; LaSalle; North Carolina; Texas A&M; and LSU (when Petit was there). The Baltimore Bullets had them back in the early 1950s, as did the St. Louis Bombers.[/quote]

    I remember New Mexico State wearing them in the 1970 Final Four, can’t find a pic….

  • Paul Lukas | December 27, 2007 at 9:32 am |

    [quote comment=”193153″]a. proviso east (and west for that matter) is located in chicago.[/quote]

    My bad. No longer sure why I thought they were in Florida (although I’m sure I had my reasons). Thanks for the correction — I’ll fix the text right now.

  • Kelly | December 27, 2007 at 9:38 am |

    why does one guy have a striped shirt in this photo and no one else?

  • Joe H | December 27, 2007 at 9:45 am |

    [quote comment=”193158″]That Lions jersey is interesting. I got an offensive lineman jersey from the Bengals in 95- came with an NFL anniv patch and thoes funny lineman sleeves which were nothing more than circles for the arms..it had a snap thing hanging down the middle of the front. Never had seen one of those before- I think I cut it off when I had the jersey signed and then framed. a HUGE frame.[/quote]

    Ughhh…it pains me to know you cut a gamer.

  • Brendan | December 27, 2007 at 9:54 am |

    Those Evansville jerseys look like they stole the lacrosse teams uniforms.

  • Brendan | December 27, 2007 at 9:54 am |

    Those Evansville jerseys look like they stole the lacrosse team’s uniforms.

  • Neil | December 27, 2007 at 9:56 am |

    Curtis Glencross of the Columbus Blue Jackets wore a helmet with a full metal cage in last night’s game

  • todd krevanchi | December 27, 2007 at 9:56 am |

    proviso east was probably invited to a holiday hoops tourney in florida where the reader saw media coverage of them. giving the impression they were a florida school.

  • Gabe | December 27, 2007 at 9:58 am |

    [quote comment=”193142″]does anyone else besides me NOT like the mav’s green & blue color scheme? it just doesn’t work, IMHO[/quote]
    I think they are rather ugly as well. Arguably the worst in the league.

  • Mickel Yantz | December 27, 2007 at 10:01 am |

    Cleo Lemon wore that style of shoe in 2006. If you look at photos from the 12-31-06 game against the Colts, on the Dolphins website, the 5th picture looks like a match.
    http://www.miamidolp...

  • Pat | December 27, 2007 at 10:03 am |

    My post got eaten. What the hey.

  • kdkauf | December 27, 2007 at 10:08 am |

    Proviso has worn sleeves for as long as I can remember. The great Quincy IL basketball teams of the late 70’s and early 80’s featuring Michael Payne and the Douglas brothers also wore sleeves. Here are some photos:

    Michael Payne
    Bruce Douglas
    Dennis Douglas – Love those socks!!!

    80/81 Team Photo
    81/82 Team Photo

  • Rick | December 27, 2007 at 10:12 am |

    Paul,

    Some tributes and gestures I found on the violation site you may already have but I thought I would post anyway:

    http://www.uniformvi...
    http://www.uniformvi...
    http://www.uniformvi...

  • Perry | December 27, 2007 at 10:29 am |

    [quote comment=”193161″][quote comment=”193149″]Anent T-shirt jerseys …

    I remember that the following teams wore them years ago: LIU; LaSalle; North Carolina; Texas A&M; and LSU (when Petit was there). The Baltimore Bullets had them back in the early 1950s, as did the St. Louis Bombers.[/quote]

    I remember New Mexico State wearing them in the 1970 Final Four, can’t find a pic….[/quote]

    That’s the first one I thought of (after Evansville). Here’s a pic:

    http://dynamic.si.cn...

  • Stuby | December 27, 2007 at 10:32 am |

    [quote comment=”193155″][quote comment=”193153″]b. as far as the dolphins shoes go, you can limit the choices to skill guys.[/quote]

    so…that leaves…no one?[/quote]
    LI Phil, I usually don’t even have to look at the name on one of your posts to see who said it. I recognize your style.

    As far as that flagrant foul, I think Marcus Williams was just checking Rodney Stuckey’s shorts to see if there was a laptop in there he could swipe.

  • Borg | December 27, 2007 at 10:42 am |

    Ironically, the SI cover featuring the sleeved New Mexico State jerseys also shows Dan Issel of Kentucky who is a Batavia grad and one of the first of the sleeved era there.

  • Andy--01 | December 27, 2007 at 10:45 am |

    Any STL Blues (or Hockey Fans in general) have in-game pics of the Blues’ tributes to Doug Wickenheiser (1998 or so), Bob Plager (not sure – late 80s?) or Dan Kelly (probably 1990)?

    The banners are hanging from the rafters, but I am almost certain that the Wick and the DK memorials were on the jerseys or helmets.

  • B. Hill | December 27, 2007 at 11:03 am |

    Proviso East is definitely in Maywood. I drive by it all the time. Luckily, I was only a freshman and on the JV team the year Ford, Boyce, Finley and Robinson won their title, because I had no desire to play those guys. They actually went back-to-back because they still had Ray Gay (who was just as good, but not just as eligible as the others) and a kid named Terence Horton.

    I believe that Westinghouse also wore the sleeved shirts for at least one year when Kiwanne Garris was there, but I can’t find a pic…

  • josh | December 27, 2007 at 11:26 am |

    Watch closely in the movie, “Hoop Dreams”, and you’ll see, Proviso East, Batavia, and Peoria Manual all wearing sleeves.

  • todd krevanchi | December 27, 2007 at 11:31 am |

    [quote comment=”193203″]Proviso East is definitely in Maywood. I drive by it all the time. Luckily, I was only a freshman and on the JV team the year Ford, Boyce, Finley and Robinson won their title, because I had no desire to play those guys. They actually went back-to-back because they still had Ray Gay (who was just as good, but not just as eligible as the others) and a kid named Terence Horton.

    I believe that Westinghouse also wore the sleeved shirts for at least one year when Kiwanne Garris was there, but I can’t find a pic…[/quote]

    proviso’s repeat photo
    http://www.marchmadn...

    and from the way back machine…
    1974
    http://www.marchmadn...
    1969
    http://www.marchmadn...

  • Minna H. | December 27, 2007 at 11:38 am |

    [quote comment=”193142″]does anyone else besides me NOT like the mav’s green & blue color scheme? it just doesn’t work, IMHO

    more yellow vs. white[/quote]

    LI Phil, I gotta agree. That blue and green combo is ugly. I also agree with Jason G. that it would be better if blue were the primary color and green playing back-up, like the Pips.

    P.S. LI Phil, you cracked me up with your Dolphins quip, but it’s sadly true this year.

  • possum | December 27, 2007 at 11:48 am |
  • MikeyB | December 27, 2007 at 11:49 am |

    Interesting article in today’s Omaha World Herald about Creighton freshman P’Allen Stinnett’s shoes.

  • ptb | December 27, 2007 at 11:52 am |

    [quote comment=”193142″]does anyone else besides me NOT like the mav’s green & blue color scheme? it just doesn’t work, IMHO

    i’d like it if the green and the blue were flipped; i have to admit, i thought the Mavs’ late 80s to early aughts look (road blues with a tiny bit of green trim, the old school basketball with a cowboy hat logo) were minor masterpieces. maybe I just had a fondess for the J Jackson/Mashburn/Kidd trio that blinded me to aesthetic reality. Shame on you Toni Braxton for taking that trio away from America.

  • Sodboy13 | December 27, 2007 at 11:56 am |

    During the mid-to-late ’90s, Thornton High School in Chicago’s south suburbs wore sleeved shirts. This may have been at least during part of Antwaan Randle El’s time there.

  • TechFan | December 27, 2007 at 12:00 pm |

    The Louisana Tech Lady Techsters were known for their sleeved jerseys from the begining of women’s basketball until around 2000.

  • Andrew | December 27, 2007 at 12:01 pm |

    As I watched the Central-Purdue game last night, I noticed that a couple Central players had multiple numbers on the back of their helmets. One player had four stickers with different numbers, it was someone on defense, and then I believe I saw Josh Gordy with two #19s, stacked one on top of the other, on his helmet. If anyone could find a picture of the Central defensive player with four number stickers on him, its a pretty interesting look…

  • Cork | December 27, 2007 at 12:03 pm |

    I figured the earliest ones must have had sleeves, if only because cultural standards of modesty were much more conservative back in those days

    Not only do they not have sleeves, but they are all skin-tight with an under armour look to them, that says anything but “modesty”.

    Also, love the look in THIS PIC where it appears that each player is wearing one striped sock and one solid sock. It also appears that all the players have rolled their socks down a notch to give them “rim” just below the knee

  • Bill T. | December 27, 2007 at 12:12 pm |

    NBA sleeves: 1946-47 Boston Celtics.

    Note that the shirt is tucked in, so it can’t be a warmup shirt.

  • LI Phil | December 27, 2007 at 12:14 pm |

    insert vomit icon here

    it’s not JUST all the logo creep…it’s the color too

  • gopherboy | December 27, 2007 at 12:35 pm |

    Batavia is my alma mater if you like our sleeved jerseys, here, you should see our warmups. I’ll snap a few picks at the game tonight. The warmups have candy cane stripes like indiana and and actual jacket-like warmups with the state of illlinois on them and a star where batavia is. They’re beautiful.

  • gopherboy | December 27, 2007 at 12:46 pm |

    ah and batavia used to be sleeveless. but got sleeves when the current head coach came in the early 80’s.

  • Fez Whatley | December 27, 2007 at 1:04 pm |

    The 91 Philadelphia Eagles memorial for their longtime trainer Otho Davis was unique. They added electrical tape stripes in their wings on the team helmets.

  • LockBull | December 27, 2007 at 1:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”193190″][quote comment=”193161″][quote comment=”193149″]Anent T-shirt jerseys …

    I remember that the following teams wore them years ago: LIU; LaSalle; North Carolina; Texas A&M; and LSU (when Petit was there). The Baltimore Bullets had them back in the early 1950s, as did the St. Louis Bombers.[/quote]

    I remember New Mexico State wearing them in the 1970 Final Four, can’t find a pic….[/quote]

    That’s the first one I thought of (after Evansville). Here’s a pic:

    http://dynamic.si.cn...

    Thanks for digging this up! As an aside, it’s funny how SI put Kentucky on that cover assuming they’d beat Jacksonville U. and make the 1970 Final Four. As a former JU student, I’d be sad if it wasn’t for This Cover a couple of weeks later.

  • Paul Lukas | December 27, 2007 at 1:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”193289″]The 91 Philadelphia Eagles memorial for their longtime trainer Otho Davis was unique. They added electrical tape stripes in their wings on the team helmets.[/quote]

    It was actually the ’89 Eagles (and I believe one playoff game in Jan. 1990), and it was in honor of quarterbacks coach Doug Scovil.

    Photo.

  • dk | December 27, 2007 at 1:27 pm |

    i am the one with the dolphins cleats. i too am surprised they are not numbered. i worked as a pirates bat boy for 6 years. cleaning the players cleats was the first job of ours after a game, and we marked every players cleats with a sharpie. we scribbled their numbers on the back.
    the dolphins cleats were from the 3-0 steelers win during the monday night slop fest here in pittsburgh. apparently all the dolphins cleats were unwanted and left behind, maybe because they were caked in dirt and mud.
    i found several photos on yahoo from that game. ricky williams wore nike that night. joey porter wore reebok, but they were not the same style as the pair i have; very similar though…

  • Max | December 27, 2007 at 1:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”193297″][quote comment=”193289″]The 91 Philadelphia Eagles memorial for their longtime trainer Otho Davis was unique. They added electrical tape stripes in their wings on the team helmets.[/quote]

    It was actually the ’89 Eagles (and I believe one playoff game in Jan. 1990), and it was in honor of quarterbacks coach Doug Scovil.

    Photo.[/quote]

    PWN3D!

  • DenverGregg | December 27, 2007 at 1:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”193230″]Negative Space Logo Alert![/quote]
    Just me, or does the positive space look a little too much like a swastika?

  • Swampee | December 27, 2007 at 1:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”193304″][quote comment=”193297″][quote comment=”193289″]The 91 Philadelphia Eagles memorial for their longtime trainer Otho Davis was unique. They added electrical tape stripes in their wings on the team helmets.[/quote]

    It was actually the ’89 Eagles (and I believe one playoff game in Jan. 1990), and it was in honor of quarterbacks coach Doug Scovil.

    Photo.[/quote]

    PWN3D![/quote]

    the only thing you got right was the electrical tape and it was the Eagles.

  • Tom Clark | December 27, 2007 at 1:40 pm |

    Great Photos of “Proviso E” –
    Another former Pirate is Glenn “Doc” Rivers.

    The other Proviso school – Proviso West – also wears sleeves instead of tanks.

  • Fez Whatley | December 27, 2007 at 1:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”193308″][quote comment=”193304″][quote comment=”193297″][quote comment=”193289″]The 91 Philadelphia Eagles memorial for their longtime trainer Otho Davis was unique. They added electrical tape stripes in their wings on the team helmets.[/quote]

    It was actually the ’89 Eagles (and I believe one playoff game in Jan. 1990), and it was in honor of quarterbacks coach Doug Scovil.

    Photo.[/quote]

    PWN3D![/quote]

    the only thing you got right was the electrical tape and it was the Eagles.[/quote]
    Yeah, no crap… ha ha

    PWN3D no doubt.

  • Teebz | December 27, 2007 at 1:52 pm |

    Ok, kids… here’s an explanation for the linesman in the St. Louis-Detroit game last night. I know Ryan Galloway (the linesman in question) pretty well, and I spoke to his wife via email about it. Here’s what she had to say:

    “Ryan had a game [yesterday], Boxing Day, in St. Louis, and left [yesterday]. He never leaves day of game, too stressful trying to catch flights and making sure that his equipment gets there and stuff. Sure enough I got a call at 11:20 [yesterday] morning saying that his flight to St. Louis had been cancelled but that they were trying to get him on a flight to Detroit then to St. Louis but they could not guarantee him that his luggage (equipment & skates), would get there when he did. I got another call at 5:55 saying that his plane was just pulling up to the gate in St. Louis.

    As I was writing this Ryan called at 12:45am to give me the update. There is a whole bunch more in between, but this is just from where his plane pulled up. His game was now in an hour and 35 minutes with no luggage or equipment. He catches a cab, they get on the freeway and now there is a big accident. He finally got to the rink at 7:05. He wore a player’s skates, Tim Peel’s ref pants (Tim is about 5’10” tall, Ryan is about 6’2″), a helmet that was way too small and had no visor, shin pads that you could see right thru his way too short pants, a jersey that had no # and two right elbow pads. I would have paid money to have seen the game.”

    I feel sorry for the guy. Ryan prides himself on looking like a pro, but it did make me chuckle.

  • Joe | December 27, 2007 at 1:54 pm |

    Remember our discussion a while back about how the tigers logo on their jersey was different from the one on their hat? Well I just found another team who has the same problem. The White sox. Look at the Back part of the S jersey, it goes all the way and touches the top left part of the O. Now look at the part on the hat there is a gap there!

  • Robin | December 27, 2007 at 1:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”193306″][quote comment=”193230″]Negative Space Logo Alert![/quote]
    Just me, or does the positive space look a little too much like a swastika?[/quote]

    It does, but that is not necessarily a bad thing. The swastika comes from the Sanskrit svastika – “su” meaning “good,” “asti” meaning “to be,” and “ka” as a suffix.

    Until the Nazis used this symbol, the swastika was used by many cultures throughout the past 3,000 years to represent life, sun, power, strength, and good luck.

    The symbol has an interesting history

  • Josh Petty | December 27, 2007 at 1:58 pm |

    Does anybody know why Ottawa Senators goalie Martin Gerber was wearing an all black mask last night? I’m not a Sens fan, so I haven’t been following that at all, I just noticed it from the highlights. I know this is his 2nd year in Ottawa now, and I know I’ve seen him in a Sens mask before, so I was surprised to see an all black one. Was there a problem with his regular mask or his he getting another one made?

  • Teebz | December 27, 2007 at 2:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”193319″]Does anybody know why Ottawa Senators goalie Martin Gerber was wearing an all black mask last night? I’m not a Sens fan, so I haven’t been following that at all, I just noticed it from the highlights. I know this is his 2nd year in Ottawa now, and I know I’ve seen him in a Sens mask before, so I was surprised to see an all black one. Was there a problem with his regular mask or his he getting another one made?[/quote]

    He has one made up, but has stuck with the black mask since he’s having such a great season compared to last season. Superstition is tough to break. :o)

  • Joe | December 27, 2007 at 2:01 pm |

    Remember our discussion a while back about how the tigers logo on their jersey was different from the one on their hat? Well I just found another team who has the same problem. The White Sox. Look at the Back part of the S jersey, it goes all the way and touches the top left part of the O. Now look at the part on the hat there is a gap there

  • Jarred | December 27, 2007 at 2:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”193319″]Does anybody know why Ottawa Senators goalie Martin Gerber was wearing an all black mask last night? I’m not a Sens fan, so I haven’t been following that at all, I just noticed it from the highlights. I know this is his 2nd year in Ottawa now, and I know I’ve seen him in a Sens mask before, so I was surprised to see an all black one. Was there a problem with his regular mask or his he getting another one made?[/quote]

    He’s been wearing it all year so far. He does have a mask painted and ready to wear, but he’s been playing good with the black mask so hasn’t changed yet.

  • Jarred | December 27, 2007 at 2:05 pm |

    Sorry about entry #65, I was reading through the posts and replied without reloading. :)

  • DenverGregg | December 27, 2007 at 2:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”193318″][quote comment=”193306″][quote comment=”193230″]Negative Space Logo Alert![/quote]
    Just me, or does the positive space look a little too much like a swastika?[/quote]

    It does, but that is not necessarily a bad thing. The swastika comes from the Sanskrit svastika – “su” meaning “good,” “asti” meaning “to be,” and “ka” as a suffix.

    Until the Nazis used this symbol, the swastika was used by many cultures throughout the past 3,000 years to represent life, sun, power, strength, and good luck.

    The symbol has an interesting history[/quote]
    There was a great Uniwatch blog about early 20th century use of the swastika a few months ago. Can’t go back, though.

  • LI Phil | December 27, 2007 at 2:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”193337″]Just me, or does the positive space look a little too much like a swastika?[/quote]

    [quote]The symbol has an interesting history.

    There was a great Uniwatch blog about early 20th century use of the swastika a few months ago. Can’t go back, though.[/quote]

    here

  • Colin | December 27, 2007 at 2:45 pm |

    I know it is a movie and these types of mistakes happen alot, but in Bull Durham Kevin Costner’s flapless catcher helmet has the number 20 on it and his character wears 8. It may be an intentional move since it is a minor league team and they don’t have the resources of major league teams. I also know it is based of writer Ron Shelton’s experience in the minors, so maybe that is where it originated. Anyone else noticed this type of thing in movies?

  • Marty Met | December 27, 2007 at 2:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”193322″]Remember our discussion a while back about how the tigers logo on their jersey was different from the one on their hat? Well I just found another team who has the same problem. The White Sox. Look at the Back part of the S jersey, it goes all the way and touches the top left part of the O. Now look at the part on the hat there is a gap there[/quote]

    and the Yankees. Not only is it ugly but there are three different NYs. The Hat, The Jersey and the Jacket

  • Shaeff | December 27, 2007 at 3:02 pm |

    New Logo Creep Nuance

    Has anyone noticed that some running shoes now carry logos pointing out the particular features of the shoe??

    I’m looking for pics…

  • Mike Engle | December 27, 2007 at 3:02 pm |

    Speaking of Yankee jersey shenanigans, does anybody here watch Curb Your Enthusiasm? I saw the episode last night when Larry was chasing around town looking for his Joe Pepitone jersey. He found two. Those Joe Pepitone jerseys were egregious. The 2 was thicker than the 5, and the two had a diagonal bar, which is wholly inaccurate.

  • Mike Engle | December 27, 2007 at 3:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”193359″]New Logo Creep Nuance

    Has anyone noticed that some running shoes now carry logos pointing out the particular features of the shoe??

    I’m looking for pics…[/quote]
    I have plenty on my Asics. Something IGS, SpEVA, soLyte, DuoMax, AHAR, etc. But it’s an Asics shoe with Asics technology, so is it really logo creep?

  • Stuby | December 27, 2007 at 3:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”193359″]New Logo Creep Nuance

    Has anyone noticed that some running shoes now carry logos pointing out the particular features of the shoe??

    I’m looking for pics…[/quote]
    Sounds similar to a baseball glove with all the named features like ‘Edge-U-Cated Heel’, ‘Palm-Pad’ and ‘The Arch’ webbing. The more named features, the better.

    And Colin, I think everyone on this blog notices things like the Bull Durham discrepancy. That attention to detail is why we’re all here.

  • JMdogs | December 27, 2007 at 3:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”193178″]Cleo Lemon wore that style of shoe in 2006. If you look at photos from the 12-31-06 game against the Colts, on the Dolphins website, the 5th picture looks like a match.
    http://www.miamidolp...[/quote]
    correct me if I’m mistaken, but i swear in that 4th picture the dolphin reciever is wearing BLUE cleats!! wtf??

  • Jeremy | December 27, 2007 at 3:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”193314″][quote comment=”193308″][quote comment=”193304″][quote comment=”193297″][quote comment=”193289″]The 91 Philadelphia Eagles memorial for their longtime trainer Otho Davis was unique. They added electrical tape stripes in their wings on the team helmets.[/quote]

    It was actually the ’89 Eagles (and I believe one playoff game in Jan. 1990), and it was in honor of quarterbacks coach Doug Scovil.

    Photo.[/quote]

    PWN3D![/quote]

    the only thing you got right was the electrical tape and it was the Eagles.[/quote]
    Yeah, no crap… ha ha

    PWN3D no doubt.[/quote]
    Now, I may only be 21, but what the hell does PWN3D mean?

  • LI Phil | December 27, 2007 at 3:22 pm |

    my shoes have a big “L” and “R” on the back, cus sometimes i get confused

  • LI Phil | December 27, 2007 at 3:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”193374″]Now, I may only be 21, but what the hell does PWN3D mean?[/quote]

    here

  • Phil Bergen | December 27, 2007 at 3:34 pm |

    Regarding sleeved basketball jerseys, I believe that Providence College wore them back in the Lenny Wilkins-Ray Flynn era of the late 1950s early 1960s.

    I have a game worn St Louis Blues hockey shirt with a Dan Kelly memorial shamrock worn on the left shoulder and the initials DK. It was worn by one of the Sutters, #23.

  • Phil Bergen | December 27, 2007 at 3:34 pm |

    Regarding sleeved basketball jerseys, I believe that Providence College wore them back in the Lenny Wilkins-Ray Flynn era of the late 1950s early 1960s.

    I have a game worn St Louis Blues hockey shirt with a Dan Kelly memorial shamrock worn on the left shoulder and the initials DK. It was worn by one of the Sutters, #23.

  • Jeremy | December 27, 2007 at 3:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”193378″][quote comment=”193374″]Now, I may only be 21, but what the hell does PWN3D mean?[/quote]

    here[/quote]
    Thanks. I never thought to go to urban dictionary.

  • Mike Engle | December 27, 2007 at 3:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”193386″]Regarding sleeved basketball jerseys, I believe that Providence College wore them back in the Lenny Wilkins-Ray Flynn era of the late 1950s early 1960s.

    I have a game worn St Louis Blues hockey shirt with a Dan Kelly memorial shamrock worn on the left shoulder and the initials DK. It was worn by one of the Sutters, #23.[/quote]
    We all know about the Cleveland Indians Steve Olin/Tim Crews arrow and star patch, right?
    The Toronto Blue Jays TC microphone patch
    Billy King Holy Toledo Oakland A’s patch
    Minnesota Twins Herb patch

  • Wes Covington | December 27, 2007 at 3:48 pm |

    Lenny Wilkens did indeed wear a sleeved uniform at Providence. http://espn.go.com/m...

  • LI Phil | December 27, 2007 at 4:01 pm |

    how long before nike makes the system of dress frock for jock short-sleeve undergarment and turns it into a full-fledged short-sleeve jersey?

    you can easily picture it on the orange

  • Mike Engle | December 27, 2007 at 4:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”193401″][quote comment=”193386″]Regarding sleeved basketball jerseys, I believe that Providence College wore them back in the Lenny Wilkins-Ray Flynn era of the late 1950s early 1960s.

    I have a game worn St Louis Blues hockey shirt with a Dan Kelly memorial shamrock worn on the left shoulder and the initials DK. It was worn by one of the Sutters, #23.[/quote]
    We all know about the Cleveland Indians Steve Olin/Tim Crews arrow and star patch, right?
    The Toronto Blue Jays TC microphone patch
    Billy King Holy Toledo Oakland A’s patch
    Minnesota Twins Herb patch[/quote]
    Sorry for the self-quote, but the Tom Landry hat was bad-ass.
    [quote comment=”193415″]how long before nike makes the system of dress frock for jock short-sleeve undergarment and turns it into a full-fledged short-sleeve jersey?

    you can easily picture it on the orange[/quote]
    That, per se, won’t happen. Somebody, when designing those undershirts, forgot that they have to be solid colored to be worn in NCAA play.

  • Kevin G. | December 27, 2007 at 4:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”193320″]Remember our discussion a while back about how the tigers logo on their jersey was different from the one on their hat? Well I just found another team who has the same problem. The White sox. Look at the Back part of the S jersey, it goes all the way and touches the top left part of the O. Now look at the part on the hat there is a gap there![/quote]
    I’m not buying this one at all. It is really a reach if you think there is a difference. You need to look at the hat close up to see there is not a gap there. It might appear that way with how the hat is stitched. I am a huge Sox fan and have a couple of hats at home. I have not noticed any discrepancies in how “SOX” is written on anything since they went back to this logo in 1990.

  • LI Phil | December 27, 2007 at 4:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”193418″]That, per se, won’t happen. Somebody, when designing those undershirts, forgot that they have to be solid colored to be worn in NCAA play.[/quote]

    mike…i was prolly unclear in my comments…i meant picture the current jersey, plus the undergarment, and fuse it into one short-sleeved shirt

    im thinkin’ nike may be ready to introduce a one-piece SOD uni (shortsleeve, not tank) for next season

  • Mets/Jets Fan in Chicagoland | December 27, 2007 at 5:09 pm |

    Roll-over from yesterday:
    [quote comment=”192958″][quote]Mets/Jets fan is Chi’town, I like the PJs your daughter got, but I protest the pink hat. To me, that is more egregious than anything with black in it.[/quote]

    thank you, minna, for stating much more eloquently and tactfully what i had thought (i was gonna say, re: the pink mets cap, “that’s just wrong”), but i thought saying that might come off wrong

    and, it’s not just a PINK cap (although that in and of itself is wrong)…it’s ANY cap that isn’t ‘official’

    (like that red yankees cap spike lee loves so much)[/quote]

    Maybe we can all pitch in and Spike one of these.

    Now that’s egregious

  • Mets/Jets Fan in Chicagoland | December 27, 2007 at 5:10 pm |

    Ahem….

    Maybe we can all pitch in and get Spike one of these.

  • LI Phil | December 27, 2007 at 5:21 pm |

    bad santa?

    About being on the cover of Sports Illustrated:
    “Being associated with Santa Claus is… there’s a lot worse associations to have, so I’ll take it. You know, when you’re a kid, sometimes you dream about being on the cover of Sports Illustrated. That’s not actually the one I pictured, but… [Laughter] It’s pretty funny.”

    What was the picture he imagined?
    “It wasn’t that one. [Laughter] But like I said, I’ll take it.”

    link

  • =bg= | December 27, 2007 at 5:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”193167″][quote comment=”193158″]That Lions jersey is interesting. I got an offensive lineman jersey from the Bengals in 95- came with an NFL anniv patch and thoes funny lineman sleeves which were nothing more than circles for the arms..it had a snap thing hanging down the middle of the front. Never had seen one of those before- I think I cut it off when I had the jersey signed and then framed. a HUGE frame.[/quote]

    Ughhh…it pains me to know you cut a gamer.[/quote]

    You know, not that I think of it, I think I just folded it underneath. It was #66..some obscure offensive lineman. But the head coach at the time (Dave Shula) and I were friendly, so he signed it for me. Hung for many years next to a Reds Hal Morris #23.

  • warren thompson | December 27, 2007 at 6:19 pm |

    For what it’s worth …

    I think T-shirt basketball jerseys are the ultimate of athletic good fashion. Would that more teams wore them. (Ken Loeffler [LaSalle and Texas A&M] and Clair Bee [LIU], where are you now that we need you?)

  • Mets Fan AZ | December 27, 2007 at 6:31 pm |

    just had a thought – Back to Paul’s original thought about more modest times might have meant sleeves. weren’t the first b’ball unis basically the underwear of the times? just a guess i really don’t know. but if that’s close to the truth does the wife beater pre-date the t-shirt?

  • S.W.P. | December 27, 2007 at 7:15 pm |

    Ryan Miller to wear new mask for outdoor game.

  • Vincent A. Cipollone | December 27, 2007 at 8:10 pm |

    Cool thing from the Holiday Bowl: Brent Musberger said of a Texas Wide Receiver that the Receiver did not know whether the white paint in the back of San Diego’s end zone was part of the art or a boundary, causing him to go out of bounds. Has anybody ever heard of play being affected by endzone (or any other) art on the field? The only other instance I can remember is during a Villanova game where all of the players kept slipping on a Big East sticker in the paint.

  • Ken S. | December 27, 2007 at 8:12 pm |

    I think I remember seeing New Mexico State hoopsters in sleeved unis, although I can’t find any visual evidence to support this recollection. I’m guessing it was circa the 1968-1970 range.

  • shaylen | December 27, 2007 at 8:16 pm |

    Next years nike cleats should be on display at the Holiday Bowl, Texas usually wears the new cleats during bowl games being that they are a nike school

  • Ken S. | December 27, 2007 at 8:19 pm |

    Oops, my apologies to LockBull and Perry, who already covered New Mexico State. (We late-evening readers must be a pain in the neck.)

  • LI Phil | December 27, 2007 at 8:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”193529″]Cool thing from the Holiday Bowl: Brent Musberger said of a Texas Wide Receiver that the Receiver did not know whether the white paint in the back of San Diego’s end zone was part of the art or a boundary, causing him to go out of bounds.[/quote]

    late getting to the game, so i didn’t see the play in question…but are you saying he (brent) said the receiver was confused about the white lines which surround the entire playing field, including the end zone? as in…green=in play…white=OB?

  • brandon | December 27, 2007 at 8:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”193322″]Remember our discussion a while back about how the tigers logo on their jersey was different from the one on their hat? Well I just found another team who has the same problem. The White Sox. Look at the Back part of the S jersey, it goes all the way and touches the top left part of the O. Now look at the part on the hat there is a gap there[/quote]

    I like that they use the two different style old-english D’s. I don’t need to see the same logo twice when looking at a player from one angle. (Same can be said for football jerseys, helmets, and pants) Variance is good. Besides, the jersey D is too large/thick to look good on a hat.

  • LI Phil | December 27, 2007 at 8:47 pm |

    let me edit that comment slightly, as the chargers ‘logo’ is painted blue…so green/blue=in play and white=OB

  • Dan | December 27, 2007 at 8:49 pm |

    Greg Little of UNC basketball is wearing a nameless #45 jersey from 2 years ago. Someone get a screengrab

  • LI Phil | December 27, 2007 at 9:00 pm |
  • Dan | December 27, 2007 at 9:01 pm |

    Seton Hall is wearing new silver uniforms

    Also has anyone seen the new gatorade commericial with DWADE in the beginning it shows the 76ers floor but then it shows him playing against the T’Wolves

  • nif | December 27, 2007 at 9:25 pm |

    does anyone know what the blue thing is on the back of texas’ helmets, right above the number on the right side. espn showed a good shot at like 12 min left in the 2nd qtr

  • Korryn | December 27, 2007 at 9:27 pm |

    ASU is wearing a PT-42 logo on their jerseys at the bottom of the neck for the Holiday Bowl. Do they always wear this? Or is it just because they are in San Diego and want to honor Tillman in a military city?

  • Bob A | December 27, 2007 at 9:32 pm |

    High schools wearing sleeved unis isn’t all that rare. I saw it a lot when I was working tournaments a few years ago. The Houston paper ran a picture today of Madison (Yes, Vince Young’s school) wearing slleved tops.

  • Korryn | December 27, 2007 at 9:32 pm |

    The blue decal is a bluebonnet in honor of Lady Bird Johnson. They have been wearing it all season.

  • LI Phil | December 27, 2007 at 9:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”193548″]does anyone know what the blue thing is on the back of texas’ helmets, right above the number on the right side. espn showed a good shot at like 12 min left in the 2nd qtr[/quote]

    here

  • Robb | December 27, 2007 at 9:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”193550″]ASU is wearing a PT-42 logo on their jerseys at the bottom of the neck for the Holiday Bowl. Do they always wear this? Or is it just because they are in San Diego and want to honor Tillman in a military city?[/quote]

    I think they’ve been wearing it for a while, I first noticed it when they knocked Arizona out of the number 2 spot in the regular season.

  • Flip | December 27, 2007 at 9:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”193143″][quote comment=”193139″]Didn’t Evansville wearing sleaves on their jerseys have some sort of signifigance to the team plane crash in 1977? I thought it was some sort of tribute or something.[/quote]

    here’s a story on the sleeves

    [quote]”The main reason for the change was player comfort, which was the same reason for Coach (Arad) McCutchan’s choice back in the ’40s.”

    For the better part of 50 years, the men’s basketball team at Evansville became known for its trademark T-shirt-style uniforms introduced by McCutchan, a Hall of Fame coach, in 1947.[/quote][/quote]

    Purple Aces with red socks? Anyone have pictures?

  • nif | December 27, 2007 at 9:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”193553″][quote comment=”193548″]does anyone know what the blue thing is on the back of texas’ helmets, right above the number on the right side. espn showed a good shot at like 12 min left in the 2nd qtr[/quote]

    here[/quote]

    thanks, i havent seen many texas games this year, this was the first time i noticed it, quite a nice memorial tribute, paul should take notice for his project

  • Flip | December 27, 2007 at 9:50 pm |

    From article:

    “To keep the tradition alive, Boxell said the Aces will wear red socks at all home games this season, another trademark of McCutchan’s teams.”

  • LI Phil | December 27, 2007 at 10:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”193545″]Seton Hall is wearing new silver uniforms[/quote]

    meh

  • LI Phil | December 27, 2007 at 10:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”193560″]
    Purple Aces with red socks? Anyone have pictures?[/quote]

    this is the ONLY photo i’ve been able to find…so far, photo evidence is not supporting the red sox

  • Robb | December 27, 2007 at 10:50 pm |

    Somebody at Yahoo obviously is not a Chargers fan

  • Jeremy | December 27, 2007 at 11:11 pm |

    click on the 9th picture from this set of uk practice photos from today at the music city bowl. wesley woodyard’s helmet is full of “pride stickers” of the state of kentucky. uk has consistently used small wildcat paws for their pride stickers.

  • Jeremy | December 27, 2007 at 11:12 pm |

    ^ go to the 11/27/07 practice pics.

  • Casey (Davis, CA) | December 27, 2007 at 11:16 pm |

    Dennis Erickson’s sister clearly flashed the shocker after her interview with about 2 minutes left to go in the 3rd quarter.

  • hus | December 27, 2007 at 11:20 pm |
  • Refdude | December 27, 2007 at 11:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”193321″][quote comment=”193319″]Does anybody know why Ottawa Senators goalie Martin Gerber was wearing an all black mask last night? I’m not a Sens fan, so I haven’t been following that at all, I just noticed it from the highlights. I know this is his 2nd year in Ottawa now, and I know I’ve seen him in a Sens mask before, so I was surprised to see an all black one. Was there a problem with his regular mask or his he getting another one made?[/quote]

    He has one made up, but has stuck with the black mask since he’s having such a great season compared to last season. Superstition is tough to break. :o)[/quote]

    Plus, he’s grown attached to his new nickname because of the black mask, “Darth Gerber” :)

  • LI Phil | December 27, 2007 at 11:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”193581″]Dennis Erickson’s sister clearly flashed the shocker after her interview with about 2 minutes left to go in the 3rd quarter.[/quote]

    HOLY SHIT…good catch…it’s the sister “nancy” in the glasses & black sweatjacket…just as they are ending the interview…i rewound the DVR and it’s just after the 2:01 stoppage (2:01 to go in Q3)

    i can’t do a SG, but it’s pretty blatant

    heh…good eyes case

  • Art | December 27, 2007 at 11:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”193584″][quote comment=”193581″]Dennis Erickson’s sister clearly flashed the shocker after her interview with about 2 minutes left to go in the 3rd quarter.[/quote]

    HOLY SHIT…good catch…it’s the sister “nancy” in the glasses & black sweatjacket…just as they are ending the interview…i rewound the DVR and it’s just after the 2:01 stoppage (2:01 to go in Q3)

    i can’t do a SG, but it’s pretty blatant

    heh…good eyes case[/quote]

    Its an ASU pitchfork friends…easily mistaken though.

  • Adam in Chicago | December 28, 2007 at 12:02 am |

    While watching the Texas – Arizona State game I noticed someone on the Sun Devils’ sideline with a jersey nameplate reading “USS Ronald Reagan.” His number was in the 90s and he appeared to be jeans. Anyone have a screencap and/or an explanation?

  • Peter | December 28, 2007 at 12:05 am |

    I noticed the same thing. Both teams visited that ship during the week, but I don’t know what’s up with that player.

  • todd krevanchi | December 28, 2007 at 12:12 am |

    a. i think the short sleeved jersey is an unappreciated style in high school and college basketball history, and is a style that id like to see come back.

    b. silver or gray uniforms look really attractive as an alternate. gray goes with everything.

    c. ive always had difficulty determining the boundaries during the rose bowl games. they REALLY go overboard when it comes to painting the field and its boundaries.

    d. id totally nail both of GHWB’s daughters. but how do you name one jenna and the other barbara? its like when they had them they said, “lets give one a strippers name, and the other a grandma’s name”.

  • Kelly | December 28, 2007 at 12:22 am |

    [quote comment=”193354″][quote comment=”193322″]Remember our discussion a while back about how the tigers logo on their jersey was different from the one on their hat? Well I just found another team who has the same problem. The White Sox. Look at the Back part of the S jersey, it goes all the way and touches the top left part of the O. Now look at the part on the hat there is a gap there[/quote]

    and the Yankees. Not only is it ugly but there are three different NYs. The Hat, The Jersey and the Jacket[/quote]

    The Yankees also use a completely different “NY” on the field behind home plate at Yankee Stadium. Here it is as a fat head.

  • Stuby | December 28, 2007 at 12:30 am |

    [quote comment=”193599″]a. i think the short sleeved jersey is an unappreciated style in high school and college basketball history, and is a style that id like to see come back.

    b. silver or gray uniforms look really attractive as an alternate. gray goes with everything.

    c. ive always had difficulty determining the boundaries during the rose bowl games. they REALLY go overboard when it comes to painting the field and its boundaries.

    d. id totally nail both of GHWB’s daughters. but how do you name one jenna and the other barbara? its like when they had them they said, “lets give one a strippers name, and the other a grandma’s name”.[/quote]
    Not totally sure, but I believe both are Grandma names. One is obviously W’s mom and the other is Laura’s mom.

  • MetsFan AZ | December 28, 2007 at 12:38 am |

    [quote comment=”193590″][quote comment=”193584″][quote comment=”193581″]Dennis Erickson’s sister clearly flashed the shocker after her interview with about 2 minutes left to go in the 3rd quarter.[/quote]

    HOLY SHIT…good catch…it’s the sister “nancy” in the glasses & black sweatjacket…just as they are ending the interview…i rewound the DVR and it’s just after the 2:01 stoppage (2:01 to go in Q3)

    i can’t do a SG, but it’s pretty blatant

    heh…good eyes case[/quote]

    Its an ASU pitchfork friends…easily mistaken though.[/quote]
    i saw that during the u of a/asu game too. i was positive it was a shocker. guess not

  • todd krevanchi | December 28, 2007 at 12:53 am |

    [quote comment=”193602″][quote comment=”193599″]a. i think the short sleeved jersey is an unappreciated style in high school and college basketball history, and is a style that id like to see come back.

    b. silver or gray uniforms look really attractive as an alternate. gray goes with everything.

    c. ive always had difficulty determining the boundaries during the rose bowl games. they REALLY go overboard when it comes to painting the field and its boundaries.

    d. id totally nail both of GHWB’s daughters. but how do you name one jenna and the other barbara? its like when they had them they said, “lets give one a strippers name, and the other a grandma’s name”.[/quote]
    Not totally sure, but I believe both are Grandma names. One is obviously W’s mom and the other is Laura’s mom.[/quote]

    you may be right, but when it comes down to it, one name sounds totally sexy, and the other name sounds like it gives you savings bonds on christmas.

    if i ever have twin daughters, im not naming one destiny and the other ethel.

  • LI Phil | December 28, 2007 at 1:20 am |

    [quote comment=”193604″]pitchfork[/quote]

    i’d totally hit that…and im pretty sure she’s experienced a *cough* pitchfork and loved it

    [quote comment=”193610″][quote comment=”193602″][quote comment=”193599″]d. id totally nail both of GHWB’s daughters. but how do you name one jenna and the other barbara? its like when they had them they said, “lets give one a strippers name, and the other a grandma’s name”.[/quote]
    Not totally sure, but I believe both are Grandma names. One is obviously W’s mom and the other is Laura’s mom.[/quote]

    you may be right, but when it comes down to it, one name sounds totally sexy, and the other name sounds like it gives you savings bonds on christmas.

    if i ever have twin daughters, im not naming one destiny and the other ethel.[/quote]

    both are smokin’ hawt, but jenna’s got that “c’mere with that pitchfork” look

  • Frankie | December 28, 2007 at 1:23 am |

    [quote comment=”193142″]does anyone else besides me NOT like the mav’s green & blue color scheme? it just doesn’t work, IMHO

    more yellow vs. white[/quote]

    That’s my favorite Mavs uni. I think they should get rid of their current navy unis and try flipping the blue and green on that alternate.

  • LI Phil | December 28, 2007 at 1:31 am |

    [quote comment=”193599″]d. id totally nail both of GHWB’s daughters. but how do you name one jenna and the other barbara? its like when they had them they said, “lets give one a strippers name, and the other a grandma’s name”.[/quote]

    dude…that’s W’s DAD…that makes this GHWB’s daughter…and W’s sister

    still, tho…back in my youth and with a LOT of (insert drug and/or alcholic beverage of choice here), i’d have had a go

  • tom | December 28, 2007 at 1:58 am |

    [quote comment=”193360″]Speaking of Yankee jersey shenanigans, does anybody here watch Curb Your Enthusiasm? I saw the episode last night when Larry was chasing around town looking for his Joe Pepitone jersey. He found two. Those Joe Pepitone jerseys were egregious. The 2 was thicker than the 5, and the two had a diagonal bar, which is wholly inaccurate.[/quote]
    thats such a great show

  • Joe from WV | December 28, 2007 at 2:44 am |

    What was with the stitching on Colt McCoy’s left shoulder? Lucky jersey? Can anyone get a screen capture? It was that way the entire game.

  • […] jawjaw wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerptI remember the uniform very clearly, because it was so disappointing: plain red shorts with no piping or other adornments (and they were really short) and a plain yellow T-shirt with a red number on the back. The T-shirt really bugged … […]

  • Dustin | December 28, 2007 at 7:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”193316″] He finally got to the rink at 7:05. He wore a player’s skates, Tim Peel’s ref pants (Tim is about 5’10” tall, Ryan is about 6’2″), a helmet that was way too small and had no visor, shin pads that you could see right thru his way too short pants, a jersey that had no # and two right elbow pads. I would have paid money to have seen the game.[/quote]

    Thanks for all that great info! I was only half paying attention to the game, but when I heard something about a linseman losing a jersey, I had to email Paul as quick as I could.

  • Dustin | December 28, 2007 at 7:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”193320″]Remember our discussion a while back about how the tigers logo on their jersey was different from the one on their hat? Well I just found another team who has the same problem. The White sox. Look at the Back part of the S jersey, it goes all the way and touches the top left part of the O. Now look at the part on the hat there is a gap there![/quote]

    I work for the Tigers, and there is really no “problem,” they choose to have it that way. I mean, I think it’s pretty safe to say that someone has noticed the difference and it wasn’t some kind of major mistake. The interesting thing to me is that for a few years they had the D with the tiger crawling through it as their primary logo, but it wasn’t used on very many things. Including the caps and jerseys.

  • TommyDs | December 28, 2007 at 9:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”193578″]click on the 9th picture from this set of uk practice photos from today at the music city bowl. wesley woodyard’s helmet is full of “pride stickers” of the state of kentucky. uk has consistently used small wildcat paws for their pride stickers.[/quote]

    Most colleges practice in a separate set of equipment than what they use for games. My guess is that the pride stickers in question are awarded for effort and performance during practice while the paws are reserved for gameday.

    What I find to be very odd is Rafael Little (#22) is wearing 2 backplates on his shoulder pads, one over the other… I have never seen this before!!

  • Nick | December 30, 2007 at 3:46 am |

    [quote comment=”193253″]NBA sleeves: 1946-47 Boston Celtics.

    Note that the shirt is tucked in, so it can’t be a warmup shirt.[/quote]

    Mitchell % Ness sold a remake of this jersey about 3 years ago. I bought one on EBAY, along with a Seattle College jerseys (Elgin Baylor) remake – both cool sleeved basketball jerseys.

    I always dug Evansville’s sleeved jerseys, and I never understood why Georgetown in the early 1980’s did not wear sleeved jerseys when the ENTIRE TEAM would wear t-shirts under their tanktop basketball jerseys. wear sleeves and be done with it already !!!

  • Daryl | January 18, 2008 at 6:17 pm |

    Proviso East Sleeves I was a member of the first Proviso East – Maywood, Illinois – basketball team to wear sleeves – 1958-59. A teammate was Jim Johnson, current defensive guru for the Phildelphia Eagles. The reason: New coach Tom Millikin had worn them in High School (Pinckneyville, Illinois, under the legendary coach Duster Thomas) when they won the State Championship in 1948. Millikin is the only one to win State Championships in Illinois both as a player and as a coach (Proviso East, 1969).

  • Daryl | January 18, 2008 at 6:22 pm |

    added note about Proviso’s sleeves: Coach said it made it easier to determine your teammates when you were under the boards or using your peripheral vision.