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Memo to Joba Chamberlain: Your Cleveland Experience Could’ve Been a LOT Worse

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[Editor’s Note: While the rest of us were relaxing in front of our TVs on Sunday, intern emeritus Vince Grzegorek was at the Browns/Bills game — you know, the one where it snowed just a little bit. Here’s his first-hand report. — PL]

By Vince Grzegorek

Every once in awhile, I’ll be sitting at an Indians game and someone will say, “Boy, this is football weather.” Yes, it’s Cleveland, and it’s going to get cold. The phrase always annoys me to no end. However, at the Browns game Sunday, the blizzard bowl, I found myself sitting there and thinking, “Wow, this is kind of like baseball weather” after the Opening Day debacle earlier this year. Good thing Cleveland has a steady supply of leaf blowers.

I have sufficiently thawed enough to tell you it was fantastic to be down there, even if it turns out to be one of those games that 50,000 more people will claim to have attended than were actually were there. Those who did show up were loud, though, maybe because everyone was trying to forget that the cartilage in their knees had frozen enough to make climbing a small flight of stairs a near-impossible task.

On the uniform front, I’m always impressed to see professional football players scoffing at the idea of long sleeves for winter conditions like this. This wasn’t just any December game. There were 40-mph winds, a field covered to the point that the fans (and the refs) couldn’t tell where the yard markers were, and enough snow that you couldn’t see downtown Cleveland… from downtown Cleveland. And yet, many players were out there as if it were July in Florida.

John Clayton actually mentioned this in his column yesterday:

In an interesting sidelight, the Browns’ offense came out without sleeves to show their toughness. Left tackle Joe Thomas said it was a statement by Browns offensive linemen. Winslow did it because he doesn’t like to vary his uniform. Lewis didn’t wear sleeves or gloves. “I believe in having skin on the ball,” Lewis said. “If you wear gloves, you could fumble.” Even Browns quarterback Derek Anderson got in on the act. He skipped the sleeves, even though, as he told his teammates in the huddle, he had “never played in anything like this, even in a pickup game.”

(In the interest of full disclosure, many Bills players went sans sleeves also, but Clayton didn’t mention that. And, in fact, Braylon Edwards came out with long sleeves, as did Joe Jurevicius, so it wasn’t actually the entire Browns’ offense.)

Of course, Anderson couldn’t be all that macho considering he wore a big oven mitt on his throwing hand to keep warm, and even Lewis admitted to reporters, “Everytime we did get on the field, it was a TV timeout. So we had to get in the huddle, huddle in together and stay warm. I was (shivering) the whole first half.”

Random thoughts from the game:

• I kept waiting for an opportunity for instant replay to be used, and not just for a fumble, but a “did he get both feet in bounds” situation. I can just imagine the guys in the booth and the refs looking at each other with blank stares as they ponder the question, “Did his toe touch before that little slushy puddle that could be either the 35 yard line or the 42?” Of course, instant replay never got used, probably for the same reason that the refs didn’t really call any penalties.

• Every time a ref did throw a flag, it was an adventure to find it. “Is that my flag, or did the Browns’ mascot just make yellow snow?”

• I’m a smoker, so I’m allowed to say this: If you want true hilarity, stand outside an NFL stadium during a blizzard before or after a game and watch the nicotine-starved masses try to light their smokes. People were going with every strategy, including lighting them inside their shirts. I’m pretty sure one or two people singed a nipple.

• For as many layers as it took to stay warm, that’s as many layers you have to deal with when it comes time to make a bathroom break. Guys fourth or fifth in line for urinals were heard saying, “Well, I better start getting ready for this now,” and the guys that went with the overalls could be heard saying, “This is going to be interesting.” And trust me, it was.

Uni Watch News Ticker: According to this item, the entire Capitals team has abandoned the newfangled Edge jerseys and switched to the replacement jerseys with the old fabric (with thanks to Mark Coale). … Bruce Menard sent me this early-’70s shot of Reggie Jackson, but neither of us knows the story behind the “Frank Robinson” inscription. Anyone..? … We all know Ted Ginn Jr. wore a placekicker’s facemask in college, and has continued wearing it with the Dolphins, but apparently nobody told the folks who designed this video game, plus those black socks look awful (good catch by Rick Friedel). … Reprinted from yesterday’s comments: This page includes a video clip of a European hockey team that put Santa’s caps on its uni numbers last Friday. … I figure there’s gotta be a swoosh somewhere on that Oregon plane. Details here. … As if Pro Bowls weren’t bad enough, check out Harris Barton with an upside-down nose bumper decal (awesome find by Jason Tyx). … Not one of mankind’s better ideas. … Speaking of which: Several readers have noted that Adrian Peterson often ends up with shmutz on his uni numbers. I’ve always assumed this to be paint or dye from the field surface, but Todd Eggert points out that Peterson’s numbers were gunked up before last night’s game even started. Weird.

 

152 comments to Memo to Joba Chamberlain: Your Cleveland Experience Could’ve Been a LOT Worse

  • Flip | December 18, 2007 at 9:44 am |

    On the uniform front, I’m always impressed to see professional football players scoffing at the idea of long sleeves for winter conditions like this. This wasn’t just any December game. There were 40-mph winds, a field covered to the point that the fans (and the refs) couldn’t tell where the yard markers were, and enough snow that you couldn’t see downtown Cleveland… from downtown Cleveland. And yet, many players were out there as if it were July in Florida.

    I long for sleeves.

  • u2horn | December 18, 2007 at 9:48 am |
  • dm00n [Doug] | December 18, 2007 at 9:50 am |

    [quote comment=”187837″]OOTINI!!!![/quote]

    Haha.

  • Richard from MA | December 18, 2007 at 9:52 am |

    Here’s the kind-of-depressing thing for me about the Vikings’ monochrome look. I actually had to think about why the picture showed “not one of mankind’s better ideas”.

    At this point, monochrome isn’t novel in any way – so why not just make the uniforms look reasonable?

  • James | December 18, 2007 at 9:52 am |

    The smudges on AD’s jersey could be from the footballs. Brand new footballs tend to bleed and stain everything because of the fresh leather. Not sure if this is the case here but it is much more noticeable on some guy’s hands and arms.

  • Marty Met | December 18, 2007 at 9:54 am |

    [quote comment=”187840″]Here’s the kind-of-depressing thing for me about the Vikings’ monochrome look. I actually had to think about why the picture showed “not one of mankind’s better ideas”.

    At this point, monochrome isn’t novel in any way – so why not just make the uniforms look reasonable?[/quote]

    I thought they looked fantastic!!!!

    and thumbs up to the authour of the article on the Caps sweaters for calling them sweaters.

  • Cosmo Kramer | December 18, 2007 at 9:54 am |

    Watching last night’s game, I was certain we’d be reading ad nauseum about the travesty of the Vikings’ purple over purple uniforms. Surprised that there was but one mention with two pics…

    I’m not obsessed with anti-purple rage, but that did look pretty hideous. As a Broncos fan, I hope they play no more night games. They always wear all Navy, they look like crap, and they usually lose in them.

  • Joe | December 18, 2007 at 9:56 am |

    Is it me or does the hat they gave Cliff Floyd look like it has a Light blue Bill instead of the all navy one they introduced?

  • Greg V. | December 18, 2007 at 10:00 am |

    Here’s my gripe with the monochrome purple…I don’t hate purple and I think monochrome with the more modern templates can look good, but the purple pants were designed to go with the white jerseys. The top of the pants stripe is purple to blend with the purple side panel on the white jerseys. This is similar to the discussion on the Bengals’ pants from last week. When the purple pants are worn with the purple jersey the white stripe down the side of the player is broken up by the purple blob at the top of the pants. Looks obviously mismatched.

  • Cosmo Kramer | December 18, 2007 at 10:01 am |

    [quote comment=”187844″]Is it me or does the hat they gave Cliff Floyd look like it has a Light blue Bill instead of the all navy one they introduced?[/quote]

    It’s the lighting. Duh.

  • dm00n [Doug] | December 18, 2007 at 10:02 am |

    [quote comment=”187844″]Is it me or does the hat they gave Cliff Floyd look like it has a Light blue Bill instead of the all navy one they introduced?[/quote]

    Looks like the lighting.

  • Paul Lukas | December 18, 2007 at 10:08 am |

    [quote comment=”187845″]Here’s my gripe with the monochrome purple…I don’t hate purple and I think monochrome with the more modern templates can look good, but the purple pants were designed to go with the white jerseys. The top of the pants stripe is purple to blend with the purple side panel on the white jerseys. This is similar to the discussion on the Bengals’ pants from last week. When the purple pants are worn with the purple jersey the white stripe down the side of the player is broken up by the purple blob at the top of the pants. Looks obviously mismatched.[/quote]

    THANK YOU. That’s what so many people don’t get about all the mixing and matching that goes on these days — certain jerseys were designed to go with certain pants. Same goes with socks. Once you start treating the whole thing like a Chinese menu (“One from column A, one from column B…”), the system falls apart.

  • dm00n [Doug] | December 18, 2007 at 10:08 am |

    I don’t see any wire photos of broken C decals on the Bears helmets last night. Either it was a cold weather issue or they got better stickers.

  • Justin | December 18, 2007 at 10:08 am |

    Straight from the Denver Post’s Broncos Mailbag this morning:

    “Mike – I have an assignment for you that may be a little tough: Are there any plans for a uniform revision for the Broncos? The current uniforms scream 1990s and look like they belong in a Tommy Hilfiger outlet. The NFL has gone for more of a classic approach lately, and the Broncos stick out like a sore thumb. Any chance the Broncos tone down their uniforms a la the Patriots’ recent changes? I’m not talking a change in logo or colors (however, their current orange is a bit obnoxious), but maybe a more sophisticated look to go with a top-tier franchise? You know it’d make money.
    — Justin Pauls, Colorado Springs

    Justin – Just talked to Friendly Joe Ellis, who is in charge of all things that don’t fall under Mike Shanahan’s jurisdiction. There are no plans to revise the uniforms, either in color or design. About all that comes up for discussion each year is whether to reintroduce the orange jerseys. It would help merchandise sales if the Broncos would wear them once in a while.

    But this is where Shanahan does come into play. The last time the Broncos went with the all-burnt orange look was Nov. 28, 2004 against the Oakland Raiders at Invesco Field at Mile High. In a snowstorm, the Broncos had a 24-13 lead with less than 7 minutes remaining but lost 25-24. Shanny has since kept the orange jerseys in the deep recesses of the Broncos’ walk-in clothes closet.

    Mike – Why do the Broncos wear those blue pants? They are ugly and make the players look like they are wearing leotards. The blue jerseys with white pants are one of the best in the league.
    — James, Milwaukee

    James – Back-to-back questions on the team unis. Think the Raiders’ mailman encounters such curiosity? Anyway, James, I agree, the blue tops with white pants and predominantly orange stripes look sharp. As for the all-blue look, it could be worse. Or was your high-definition TV lacking the color red for Thursday’s game against the Houston Texans. For a minute there, Houston’s self-anointed, “Battle Red” game had me thinking the Broncos were playing Texas Tech. And because Houston won, superstition says this won’t be the last team we see the all-red look. “

  • Edward | December 18, 2007 at 10:10 am |

    I have to say that seeing the contrast between the Browns uniforms and a snow covered field is probably one of the most beautiful (if I’m allowed to use that word) sights in all of sports.

  • Tim | December 18, 2007 at 10:10 am |

    RE: Ted Ginn

    He wore this facemask in 2004-05 season, as well as the 2005-06 season

    http://www.the-ozone...

    He switched to the kicker style mask for the 2006-07 season

  • scott | December 18, 2007 at 10:14 am |

    And because Houston won, superstition says this won’t be the last team we see the all-red look.

    The Texans can only wear the red jerseys two times a year, though, right? Those are considered their alternates.

    Interesting about the Broncos orange jerseys. Seems a team that was long defined by orange would want to wear those on occasion.

  • Cosmo Kramer | December 18, 2007 at 10:20 am |

    Sad how we Broncos fans are reduced to talking about their uniforms. It’s all we’ve got left. (I agree with the blue over white comment above. It was Elway’s preference. You never saw monochrome when he was there. You also wouldn’t have seen them lose to the Texans on a Thursday night.

    I’ve got to get some work done. Talk amongst yourselves…

  • Dane | December 18, 2007 at 10:22 am |

    Follow-up from yesterday…
    This item was part of Money.com’s 2007 list of the 101 Dumbest Moments in Business. Did we cover this earlier this year?

    Nike recalls 235,000 football helmets because the Chinese-made chin cup has a defective strap and has caused at least two concussions and a broken nose.

    Nike doesn’t make football helmets.

    Correct, Nike does not make football helmets. But they do make chin straps for football helmets. Last month, 235,000 of them were recalled after Nike received 18 complaints of the plastic cup breaking. Injuries included 2 concussions, 2 facial lacerations and a broken nose.

    http://www.cpsc.gov/...

  • Chance | December 18, 2007 at 10:26 am |

    [quote comment=”187850″][quote comment=”187845″]Here’s my gripe with the monochrome purple…I don’t hate purple and I think monochrome with the more modern templates can look good, but the purple pants were designed to go with the white jerseys. The top of the pants stripe is purple to blend with the purple side panel on the white jerseys. This is similar to the discussion on the Bengals’ pants from last week. When the purple pants are worn with the purple jersey the white stripe down the side of the player is broken up by the purple blob at the top of the pants. Looks obviously mismatched.[/quote]

    THANK YOU. That’s what so many people don’t get about all the mixing and matching that goes on these days — certain jerseys were designed to go with certain pants. Same goes with socks. Once you start treating the whole thing like a Chinese menu (“One from column A, one from column B…”), the system falls apart.[/quote]

    Agreed. I think it’s incredibly disrespectful to the design, not to mention that it looks awful.

    I hate the modern Bronco uniforms, but at least they wore their road pants with their orange alternates. The Navy swooshes match up – a detail most teams would have ignored.

  • LI Phil | December 18, 2007 at 10:28 am |

    AP’s even got schmutz under his arms…interesting

    just not a good look

  • TBDRO | December 18, 2007 at 10:30 am |

    I didn’t mind the purple on purple.

    Did anyone else catch Chris Berman almost choke to death when he gave his usual over-the-top intro to the game?

    Please tell me somebody grabbed the video.

  • Boston Nick | December 18, 2007 at 10:30 am |

    As one of the few unabashed purple lovers who regularly reads and comments, that Vikings shit was just brutal. Awful looking. Along with the fact that the purple pants aren’t designed to be worn in the striping sense, the mismatch of colors you see based on wearing two different kinds of materials makes it look like even more of an eyesore. The sheen of the pants is different from what you see on the jersey and it just doesn’t look quite right.

    I actually like the shade of purple the Vikings use now more than their old unis, but it’s unfortunate that they Arena’d them up so much and really detracted from a still-classic helmet design.

  • Cornellian | December 18, 2007 at 10:30 am |

    We all know Ted Ginn Jr. wore a placekicker’s facemask in college, and has continued wearing it with the Dolphins, but apparently nobody told the folks who designed this video game…

    Nobody told them that Miami would have been wearing white in that game, not aqua, either.

  • todd krevanchi | December 18, 2007 at 10:35 am |

    for certain pant and jersey templates, as well as certain colors, (in my opinion, basically dark colors) the monochrome uniform combination works.

    and since i dont pay attention to the hockey posts, when the term “edge jersey” is used, does it refer to the sleek form fitting template of the jersey or the sleek form fitting template of the jersey in addition to the moisture sensitive textile used to make it?

  • Duckstyle | December 18, 2007 at 10:40 am |

    What irks me the most about the teams that go monochrome is the top sock color matching the pants, the loetard effect I belive. Just looks awful. That’s why certain teams seem to pull it off so much better, a la the Jets with the striped socks breaking it up. I still don’t get the squiggly pants stripes either. Do they want to make it look like their pants are too tight and got twisted? My girlfriend thought it looked like they all had broken legs. And why does that shoulder stripe on their jerseys meet at that wierd, unnatural two-pointed thing in the back? It really does look sharpe from the front, why not have it go all the way around? I’ve read that some think the point mirrors that horn logo, fine, then get rid of the under part with the point, the way the Patriots do. Looks so much better. Can’t agree more about the purple pants patch showing how the two shouldn’t be together, it’s laughable really.

  • Marty Met | December 18, 2007 at 10:41 am |

    [quote comment=”187870″]As one of the few unabashed purple lovers who regularly reads and comments, that Vikings shit was just brutal. Awful looking. Along with the fact that the purple pants aren’t designed to be worn in the striping sense, the mismatch of colors you see based on wearing two different kinds of materials makes it look like even more of an eyesore. The sheen of the pants is different from what you see on the jersey and it just doesn’t look quite right.

    I actually like the shade of purple the Vikings use now more than their old unis, but it’s unfortunate that they Arena’d them up so much and really detracted from a still-classic helmet design.[/quote]

    In my opinon they looked fantastic. I loved them. except for the font used for the numbers. The edges are rounded of and it just looks crappy.

  • LI Phil | December 18, 2007 at 10:42 am |
  • Marty Met | December 18, 2007 at 10:42 am |

    Vince,
    It’s never to late to quit.

  • Chance | December 18, 2007 at 10:43 am |

    [quote comment=”187872″]
    and since i dont pay attention to the hockey posts, when the term “edge jersey” is used, does it refer to the sleek form fitting template of the jersey or the sleek form fitting template of the jersey in addition to the moisture sensitive textile used to make it?[/quote]

    “Edge” is Reebok’s name for the sweater, which includes both the cut and the material.

    I don’t know if they’re using the term to refer to the replacement old-fabric sweaters that some players are wearing.

  • The Hemogoblin | December 18, 2007 at 10:46 am |

    I’m thinking that AD doesn’t ever want to give up that jersey.

  • Vince Grzegorek | December 18, 2007 at 10:51 am |

    [quote comment=”187877″]Vince,
    It’s never to late to quit.[/quote]

    There’s a bad MC Hammer joke to me made here. Thanks for your concern though.

  • todd krevanchi | December 18, 2007 at 10:52 am |

    [quote comment=”187878″][quote comment=”187872″]
    and since i dont pay attention to the hockey posts, when the term “edge jersey” is used, does it refer to the sleek form fitting template of the jersey or the sleek form fitting template of the jersey in addition to the moisture sensitive textile used to make it?[/quote]

    “Edge” is Reebok’s name for the sweater, which includes both the cut and the material.

    I don’t know if they’re using the term to refer to the replacement old-fabric sweaters that some players are wearing.[/quote]

    arent they still the same template though? isnt it still an edge jersey, just a different textile?

  • joe | December 18, 2007 at 10:53 am |

    [quote comment=”187841″]The smudges on AD’s jersey could be from the footballs. Brand new footballs tend to bleed and stain everything because of the fresh leather. Not sure if this is the case here but it is much more noticeable on some guy’s hands and arms.[/quote]
    but only on him and in black? I’ll go with a tar like substance that keeps him from losing the ball.

  • ryan c #40 | December 18, 2007 at 11:02 am |

    arent they still the same template though? isnt it still an edge jersey, just a different textile?

    YEP! and some teams got HOSED because of it (those stupid design templates) too!!!

  • LI Phil | December 18, 2007 at 11:05 am |

    [quote comment=”187883″][quote comment=”187841″]The smudges on AD’s jersey could be from the footballs. Brand new footballs tend to bleed and stain everything because of the fresh leather. Not sure if this is the case here but it is much more noticeable on some guy’s hands and arms.[/quote]
    but only on him and in black? I’ll go with a tar like substance that keeps him from losing the ball.[/quote]

    shmutzgate?

    last night

    vs. pack

    vs. niners

    again vs. niners

    vs. lions

  • PeteT | December 18, 2007 at 11:08 am |

    THANK YOU. That’s what so many people don’t get about all the mixing and matching that goes on these days — certain jerseys were designed to go with certain pants. Same goes with socks. Once you start treating the whole thing like a Chinese menu (”One from column A, one from column B…”), the system falls apart.

    A lot of the NBA uni designs in the mid 90’s had vertical stripes (and still do) and those look more flattering because they match.

    The NFL verticals are abrupt, start and stop and generally look different on the lineman than the skill position players…

    It thought I turned on a commercial for Fruit of the Loom when flipping on ESPN,

    http://www.tvacres.c...

    California Raisins maybe…

  • Jeffrey | December 18, 2007 at 11:13 am |

    Vikes’ all purple looked pretty damn sharp to me. I don’t like it quite as much as purple jersey/white pants, but it still looked pretty good…better than other monochrome looks (esp. the Broncos…hideous).

    I’m not a Vikes fan but I thought a few years ago when introduced, that their new unis were a big improvement over their previous ones.

  • Chance | December 18, 2007 at 11:13 am |

    [quote comment=”187888″]arent they still the same template though? isnt it still an edge jersey, just a different textile?

    YEP! and some teams got HOSED because of it (those stupid design templates) too!!![/quote]

    Which teams did you have in mind?

  • Shaftman | December 18, 2007 at 11:16 am |

    [quote comment=”187883″][quote comment=”187841″]The smudges on AD’s jersey could be from the footballs. Brand new footballs tend to bleed and stain everything because of the fresh leather. Not sure if this is the case here but it is much more noticeable on some guy’s hands and arms.[/quote]
    but only on him and in black? I’ll go with a tar like substance that keeps him from losing the ball.[/quote]

    Besides, with “Romo Rule“, aren’t all new balls rubbed down before the game anyway?

  • LI Phil | December 18, 2007 at 11:16 am |

    [quote comment=”187894″]I thought a few years ago when introduced, that their new unis were a big improvement over their previous ones.[/quote]

    they’re new this year

  • dimoko | December 18, 2007 at 11:19 am |

    I was up at the browns game, and here was my uni.

    long underwear, jeans, insulated bib overalls, tshirt, long underwear shirt, zip up sweatshirt, browns fleece, browns wind jacket, one pair smartwool socks, one pair browns socks, winter boots, ski-mask, browns helmet winter hat!

    it was quite a game, and those that did show up were LOUD!

  • Jeffrey | December 18, 2007 at 11:21 am |

    [quote comment=”187898″][quote comment=”187894″]I thought a few years ago when introduced, that their new unis were a big improvement over their previous ones.[/quote]

    they’re new this year[/quote]

    i think they’ve had the same uni design for at least two years haven’t they?

  • Ryan | December 18, 2007 at 11:26 am |

    I go to Case Western, and I had asked a few friends back in September if they wanted to go to the Browns-Bills game, but they all couldn’t because it’s finals week. Boy, am I regretting not going now!!

    On another note, it looks like Adrian Peterson needs to put more elastic in the tops of his socks or something.

  • derek | December 18, 2007 at 11:27 am |

    [quote comment=”187900″][quote comment=”187898″][quote comment=”187894″]I thought a few years ago when introduced, that their new unis were a big improvement over their previous ones.[/quote]

    they’re new this year[/quote]

    i think they’ve had the same uni design for at least two years haven’t they?[/quote]
    Yes you are correct

  • derek | December 18, 2007 at 11:28 am |

    [quote comment=”187898″][quote comment=”187894″]I thought a few years ago when introduced, that their new unis were a big improvement over their previous ones.[/quote]

    they’re new this year[/quote]
    nice try but there not new this year, maybe next time

  • LI Phil | December 18, 2007 at 11:33 am |

    [quote comment=”187900″][quote comment=”187898″][quote comment=”187894″]I thought a few years ago when introduced, that their new unis were a big improvement over their previous ones.[/quote]

    they’re new this year[/quote]

    i think they’ve had the same uni design for at least two years haven’t they?[/quote]

    so sorry…my bad…trying to do seven things at work and not being able to devote enough time to uniwatch…

    i was thinking of the last time the g-men played the vikes, which was 2005 and not last year…they had the old unis…i pulled a brain fart and thought that game was last year (when the g-men damn near screwed up another 6-2 start)

    again, my apologies

  • Ian | December 18, 2007 at 11:37 am |

    [quote comment=”187841″]The smudges on AD’s jersey could be from the footballs. Brand new footballs tend to bleed and stain everything because of the fresh leather. Not sure if this is the case here but it is much more noticeable on some guy’s hands and arms.[/quote]

    If you look, here , Devin Hester had the same smudges going on his jersey from catching kicks before the game. Seems like its the footballs.

  • todd krevanchi | December 18, 2007 at 11:41 am |

    in some pics the smudges looks like dried blood

  • Cowboy7130 | December 18, 2007 at 11:43 am |

    A lot of NFL players will glue-tape-adhere- their jerseys to the pads underneath, reducing an opponent’s opportunities to grab cloth. I suspect the “schmutz” on Adrian Peterson’s jersey could be some kind of adhesive used to “glue” his jersey to his shouler pads

  • Cowboy7130 | December 18, 2007 at 11:44 am |

    … could be good old-fashioned pine tar …

  • John English | December 18, 2007 at 11:44 am |

    My guess is the shmutz has to be pine tar for the reason mentioned above, to keep a grip on the ball.

    I’ll betcha Hester has it too for the same reasons. I really doubt it’s coming from the balls themselves or we’d see it a lot more.

  • LI Phil | December 18, 2007 at 11:49 am |

    this is interesting (the shmutz)…if you look at the pics i posted in #36, there doesn’t appear to be a ‘consistent’ pattern of smudging, but it’s there every time…also, he’s wearing different gloves in some of the games, so maybe he’s putting something ON the gloves, which transfers to either the jersey or the football then the jersey

    it’s definitely coming off the ball where he holds it next to his body (numbers, under the right arm)

    will look for more visual evidence at lunch

  • kj | December 18, 2007 at 11:50 am |

    I didn’t watch the game, but I definitely expected the all-purple to look horrible (despite not hating the Viking jerseys in general). Seeing the pictures posted here, it actually doesn’t look bad. I’m shocked that I don’t hate it outright.

    As someone alluded to earlier, the one part that definitely looks bad is the purple socks. At some point you have to break that up.

  • Fez Whatley | December 18, 2007 at 11:51 am |

    [quote comment=”187854″]RE: Ted Ginn

    He wore this facemask in 2004-05 season, as well as the 2005-06 season

    http://www.the-ozone...

    He switched to the kicker style mask for the 2006-07 season[/quote]
    Does it really matter what syle it is? When was the last time you saw a players mask break? I really think most masks are for appearance.

    Am I nuts?

  • Ian | December 18, 2007 at 11:54 am |

    Chester Taylor

    thats the only other player I could find pictures of with jersey smudges. There is truth behind the football “bleeding” issue, when a ball is new it will rub off on gloves, jerseys, skin, etc. And isn’t the use of pine tar illegal? and I thought it was a darker shade of brown…

  • denverjason | December 18, 2007 at 11:57 am |

    Is this a hole in Fred Taylor’s sock or a knee joint sleeve?

  • Jeffrey | December 18, 2007 at 12:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”187920″]Is this a hole in Fred Taylor’s sock or a knee joint sleeve?[/quote]

    looks like a sleeve knee brace

  • RaoulDuke | December 18, 2007 at 12:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”187895″][quote comment=”187888″]arent they still the same template though? isnt it still an edge jersey, just a different textile?

    YEP! and some teams got HOSED because of it (those stupid design templates) too!!![/quote]

    Which teams did you have in mind?[/quote]

    My beloved St.Louis Blues, the oilers, panthers and predators.

  • Jeff | December 18, 2007 at 12:10 pm |

    I was looking through a flickr page with pictures from the Browns-Bills game. There’s a picture on there where Braylon Edwards doesn’t have the long sleeves on. Was this pre-game warm-ups maybe, and then he realized he couldn’t hack it before the kick-off?

    Edwards sans sleeves.

  • C.N. | December 18, 2007 at 12:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”187869″]
    Did anyone else catch Chris Berman almost choke to death when he gave his usual over-the-top intro to the game?
    [/quote]

    I didn’t see it, but that could explain why Sal Paolantonio (?) is doing ESPN’s Monday night wrapup.

  • C.N. | December 18, 2007 at 12:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”187928″][quote comment=”187869″]
    Did anyone else catch Chris Berman almost choke to death when he gave his usual over-the-top intro to the game?
    [/quote]

    I didn’t see it, but that could explain why Sal Paolantonio (?) is doing ESPN’s Monday night wrapup.[/quote]

    [/quote]
    over?

  • Philly Bill | December 18, 2007 at 12:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”187917″][quote comment=”187854″]RE: Ted Ginn

    He wore this facemask in 2004-05 season, as well as the 2005-06 season

    http://www.the-ozone...

    He switched to the kicker style mask for the 2006-07 season[/quote]
    Does it really matter what syle it is? When was the last time you saw a players mask break? I really think most masks are for appearance.

    Am I nuts?[/quote]

    Seems like Ginn just prefers the largest unobstructed field of view possible. Why is his uni number wrong in the video game? Had he not been assigned a number by the Dolphins in time?

    [quote comment=”187919″]Chester Taylor
    [quote comment=”187897″][quote comment=”187883″][quote comment=”187841″]The smudges on AD’s jersey could be from the footballs. Brand new footballs tend to bleed and stain everything because of the fresh leather. Not sure if this is the case here but it is much more noticeable on some guy’s hands and arms.[/quote]
    but only on him and in black? I’ll go with a tar like substance that keeps him from losing the ball.[/quote]

    Besides, with “Romo Rule“, aren’t all new balls rubbed down before the game anyway?[/quote]

    The home tean can rub up, I think, 50 balls for each game. Not special teams balls, though… But that shouldn’t have any impact on Peterson or Taylor, right?

  • u2horn | December 18, 2007 at 12:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”187902″]

    On another note, it looks like Adrian Peterson needs to put more elastic in the tops of his socks or something.[/quote]

    perhaps the elastic weakened from being stretched over the knee brace?

  • Anthony Verna | December 18, 2007 at 12:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”187902″]I go to Case Western, and I had asked a few friends back in September if they wanted to go to the Browns-Bills game, but they all couldn’t because it’s finals week. Boy, am I regretting not going now!!

    On another note, it looks like Adrian Peterson needs to put more elastic in the tops of his socks or something.[/quote]

    Is Case the most represented school here? :)

  • SWW | December 18, 2007 at 12:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”187897″][quote comment=”187883″][quote comment=”187841″]The smudges on AD’s jersey could be from the footballs. Brand new footballs tend to bleed and stain everything because of the fresh leather. Not sure if this is the case here but it is much more noticeable on some guy’s hands and arms.[/quote]
    but only on him and in black? I’ll go with a tar like substance that keeps him from losing the ball.[/quote]

    Besides, with “Romo Rule“, aren’t all new balls rubbed down before the game anyway?[/quote]

    From reading the article you linked, the Romo Rule sounds like it is only applicable for kicking balls, which are rotated differently than playing balls.

  • concealed78 | December 18, 2007 at 12:36 pm |

    You know, I’m no ad wizard, but one thing I’ve learned in my 29 years of living in the Midwest is “when it snows, stay home!” I have never understood this fascination of people trying to do errands when there’s a blizzard. The roads are slick, it takes forever to go anywhere, the wind cuts right through you and it’s just flat-out dangerous.

  • GoTerriers | December 18, 2007 at 12:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”187928″][quote comment=”187869″]
    Did anyone else catch Chris Berman almost choke to death when he gave his usual over-the-top intro to the game?
    [/quote]

    I didn’t see it, but that could explain why Sal Paolantonio (?) is doing ESPN’s Monday night wrapup.[/quote]

    I think Sal Pal is doing the Monday Night Wrap-up because Stuart Scott has been taken off the Monday Night beat (mercifully) to head up the NBA on ABC Studio show, so he’s travelling (or something) for that.

  • Kevin | December 18, 2007 at 12:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”187939″]You know, I’m no ad wizard, but one thing I’ve learned in my 29 years of living in the Midwest is “when it snows, stay home!”

    I have never understood this fascination of people trying to do errands when there’s a blizzard. The roads are slick, it takes forever to go anywhere, the wind cuts right through you and it’s just flat-out dangerous.[/quote]

    Yeah. I agree. I love when there will be a foot of snow and there is still that guy out there who has to get his morning run in on a main road not on the sidewalk, but on the road with all of the cars who are risking it even driving. Gotta love winter.

  • Kevin | December 18, 2007 at 12:49 pm |

    Our team is buying new helmets this year and we’re considering the Riddell Revolution and the Schutt Air XP. Price is similar, so which do you think is better? The Revo has the inflatable ear pads which saves some initial cost, but the XP is clearly more comfortable and we already have existing face masks. Which would you go with?

  • DCBaseball | December 18, 2007 at 12:50 pm |

    Why was Reggie Jackson wearing a Frank Robinson shirt?

    Best guess is that Reggie played for Player-Manager Frank Robinson in the Puerto Rican Winter League one winter in the early 70s (Frank managed 8-9 years of winter ball, including one season in the Mexican Winter League). I’d surmise that somehow Reggie inherited some of Frank’s on-field gear.

    I think it happened with the Santurce ballclub.

  • DZ | December 18, 2007 at 12:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”187941″][quote comment=”187928″][quote comment=”187869″]
    Did anyone else catch Chris Berman almost choke to death when he gave his usual over-the-top intro to the game?
    [/quote]

    I didn’t see it, but that could explain why Sal Paolantonio (?) is doing ESPN’s Monday night wrapup.[/quote]

    I think Sal Pal is doing the Monday Night Wrap-up because Stuart Scott has been taken off the Monday Night beat (mercifully) to head up the NBA on ABC Studio show, so he’s travelling (or something) for that.[/quote]

    I’ve read that Stu Scott is recovering from an emergency appendectomy. I believe they even made mention of it on the show.

  • DZ | December 18, 2007 at 12:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”187927″]I was looking through a flickr page with pictures from the Browns-Bills game. There’s a picture on there where Braylon Edwards doesn’t have the long sleeves on. Was this pre-game warm-ups maybe, and then he realized he couldn’t hack it before the kick-off?

    Edwards sans sleeves.[/quote]

    Must be pre-game if Brady Quinn has a ball in his hand…..

  • Jeffrey | December 18, 2007 at 1:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”187948″][quote comment=”187927″]I was looking through a flickr page with pictures from the Browns-Bills game. There’s a picture on there where Braylon Edwards doesn’t have the long sleeves on. Was this pre-game warm-ups maybe, and then he realized he couldn’t hack it before the kick-off?

    Edwards sans sleeves.[/quote]

    Must be pre-game if Brady Quinn has a ball in his hand…..[/quote]

    lol yes it must. sometimes context tells the story when the word itself doesn’t.

  • Mark Max | December 18, 2007 at 1:22 pm |

    Not really uni-related but I thought this video covering the mitchell report was pretty funny and thought I’d share it.

  • Glenn | December 18, 2007 at 1:25 pm |

    The comments regarding the Broncos unis has me chipping in on this one. Several points, all which I think were pretty much made. We know they’re not going to abandon the blue jerseys, as blue sells (nationally) a hell of a lot more than orange does. I don’t really see much of a need to re-work a logo either, but I’ve always hated the blue pants look.

    The one thing the Broncos have always had working for them in this regard with their new uniforms (regardless of which pants they wear) is that they are consistent with the accent stripe color on the side. When at home, the pants will have an orange stripe (either on white or blue pants) to match the jersey. If they ever bring the orange jerseys out of hiding, they would wear their white road pants, which have the blue piping down the side.

    Although, it would be nice if we could gather up all those blue pants and sacrifice them in a bonfire ala the striped socks.

  • Matt Powers | December 18, 2007 at 1:43 pm |

    I don’t think the Vikings uniforms are awful as a whole.

    I understand from a technical standpoint where the pants meet the jersey, the piping and patches should be continuous, but I still believe that these are MUCH, MUCH worse examples and the worst uniforms in the NFL:

    http://a.abcnews.com...

    http://media3.washin...

  • LI Phil | December 18, 2007 at 1:43 pm |

    while with the sooners, ap was apparently shmutz free

  • Jeffrey | December 18, 2007 at 1:44 pm |

    of all the “newer” uniforms, the broncos’ are, IMHO, the worst. and i love orange and blue together, but the design is awful. why not go retro, back to the orange jersey, maybe tighten them up, rework the stripe pattern. that would look nice.

  • Matt Powers | December 18, 2007 at 1:46 pm |

    Sorry I meant these:

    http://nbcsports.nbc...

    What makes them absolutely atrocious, is that they could be wearing these:

    http://www.nfluk.com...

  • LI Phil | December 18, 2007 at 1:49 pm |

    not so shmutz free while playing against the rams, falcons, chiefs, or boys

  • Craig | December 18, 2007 at 1:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”187927″]I was looking through a flickr page with pictures from the Browns-Bills game. There’s a picture on there where Braylon Edwards doesn’t have the long sleeves on. Was this pre-game warm-ups maybe, and then he realized he couldn’t hack it before the kick-off?

    Edwards sans sleeves.[/quote]
    That’s Brady Quinn throwing…with a helmet on…definitely pregame.

  • GoTerriers | December 18, 2007 at 1:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”187947″][quote comment=”187941″][quote comment=”187928″][quote comment=”187869″]
    Did anyone else catch Chris Berman almost choke to death when he gave his usual over-the-top intro to the game?
    [/quote]

    I didn’t see it, but that could explain why Sal Paolantonio (?) is doing ESPN’s Monday night wrapup.[/quote]

    I think Sal Pal is doing the Monday Night Wrap-up because Stuart Scott has been taken off the Monday Night beat (mercifully) to head up the NBA on ABC Studio show, so he’s travelling (or something) for that.[/quote]

    I’ve read that Stu Scott is recovering from an emergency appendectomy. I believe they even made mention of it on the show.[/quote]

    I stand corrected. See what happens when you are coerced into watching a re-run of “How I Met You Mother” instead of the MNF pre-game!

  • Bruce Menard | December 18, 2007 at 1:52 pm |

    Why was Reggie Jackson wearing a Frank Robinson shirt?

    Best guess is that Reggie played for Player-Manager Frank Robinson in the Puerto Rican Winter League one winter in the early 70s (Frank managed 8-9 years of winter ball, including one season in the Mexican Winter League). I’d surmise that somehow Reggie inherited some of Frank’s on-field gear.

    I think it happened with the Santurce ballclub.

    Interesting guess…I could buy that. I was thinking that maybe he got it at an All-Star Game that they appeared in together. The picture does seem to be taken in the U.S. judging by the size of the stadium (Oakland?) and the fact that another player in an A’s uniform is standing next to the cage. Also, Frank wore #20, so one could guess that it was Reggie who scribbled the “9” under the name (his # in Oakland).

    I wonder if Reggie was wearing it for “mojo” purposes.

  • Chris is Nashville | December 18, 2007 at 2:02 pm |

    I think the problem I have with NFL uniforms is when you pair dark socks with the same color pants. Titans navy pants and Chargers navy pants with the navy socks don’t work. I don’t mind the Patriots or the Bears because they wear white socks. The Texans wear red socks with their navy pants and even that is okay. As far I can tell, the Titans were the first team to wear same color pants and socks back in 1999 and it’s been down hill ever since.

  • Joe H | December 18, 2007 at 2:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”187982″]Why was Reggie Jackson wearing a Frank Robinson shirt?

    Best guess is that Reggie played for Player-Manager Frank Robinson in the Puerto Rican Winter League one winter in the early 70s (Frank managed 8-9 years of winter ball, including one season in the Mexican Winter League). I’d surmise that somehow Reggie inherited some of Frank’s on-field gear.

    I think it happened with the Santurce ballclub.

    Interesting guess…I could buy that. I was thinking that maybe he got it at an All-Star Game that they appeared in together. The picture does seem to be taken in the U.S. judging by the size of the stadium (Oakland?) and the fact that another player in an A’s uniform is standing next to the cage. Also, Frank wore #20, so one could guess that it was Reggie who scribbled the “9” under the name (his # in Oakland).

    I wonder if Reggie was wearing it for “mojo” purposes.[/quote]

    The only other possibility I can think of is the 1971 ALCS, when Oakland played Baltimore…maybe a tribute, maybe ribbing him a bit. Reggie could have been claiming to be the next Frank Robinson, but I don’t know if he had the ego to do something like that! ;)

  • LI Phil | December 18, 2007 at 2:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”187982″]Why was Reggie Jackson wearing a Frank Robinson shirt?

    Best guess is that Reggie played for Player-Manager Frank Robinson in the Puerto Rican Winter League one winter in the early 70s (Frank managed 8-9 years of winter ball, including one season in the Mexican Winter League). I’d surmise that somehow Reggie inherited some of Frank’s on-field gear.

    I think it happened with the Santurce ballclub.

    Interesting guess…I could buy that. I was thinking that maybe he got it at an All-Star Game that they appeared in together. The picture does seem to be taken in the U.S. judging by the size of the stadium (Oakland?) and the fact that another player in an A’s uniform is standing next to the cage. Also, Frank wore #20, so one could guess that it was Reggie who scribbled the “9” under the name (his # in Oakland).

    I wonder if Reggie was wearing it for “mojo” purposes.[/quote]

    found this:

    [quote]In the Winter of 1970-71 he went to Santurce, Puerto Rico to work under an old idol, Frank Robinson. Robinson, a veteran player-manager, helped Jackson to ease up on himself and to put his own game into perspective. When he returned to the Athletics in Oakland he no longer felt the burdensome need to carry the team or to pressure himself for a hit every time he came to bat. Robinson’s invaluable tutoring also helped him to cultivate his aggressive playing style while keeping his temper in check.[/quote]

    which supports the PR theory

  • TripC | December 18, 2007 at 2:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”187975″]while with the sooners, ap was apparently shmutz free[/quote]

    Peterson’s nickname is AD not AP. AP in a Sooners’ jersey would be Allen Patrick.

  • todd krevanchi | December 18, 2007 at 2:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”187981″][quote comment=”187947″][quote comment=”187941″][quote comment=”187928″][quote comment=”187869″]
    Did anyone else catch Chris Berman almost choke to death when he gave his usual over-the-top intro to the game?
    [/quote]

    I didn’t see it, but that could explain why Sal Paolantonio (?) is doing ESPN’s Monday night wrapup.[/quote]

    I think Sal Pal is doing the Monday Night Wrap-up because Stuart Scott has been taken off the Monday Night beat (mercifully) to head up the NBA on ABC Studio show, so he’s travelling (or something) for that.[/quote]

    I’ve read that Stu Scott is recovering from an emergency appendectomy. I believe they even made mention of it on the show.[/quote]

    I stand corrected. See what happens when you are coerced into watching a re-run of “How I Met You Mother” instead of the MNF pre-game![/quote]

    i certainly hope salpal’s performance gets him that gig full time next season. stuart scott is brutal, no matter what he is doing. SC, espn gameshows, studio shows, etc.

  • lana | December 18, 2007 at 2:44 pm |

    No. No. No.

    Peterson’s NFL nickname is AP. AD is already Adalius Thomas.

    The Sooner losers can keep calling him AD but for the Vikings he is AP.

  • Matt | December 18, 2007 at 2:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”187945″]Our team is buying new helmets this year and we’re considering the Riddell Revolution and the Schutt Air XP. Price is similar, so which do you think is better? The Revo has the inflatable ear pads which saves some initial cost, but the XP is clearly more comfortable and we already have existing face masks. Which would you go with?[/quote]

    The Riddell Revolution is by far the most comfortable helmet I’ve ever worn. It’s also the safest. I would definitely say purchase the Revolutions for next year.

    Besides, they look cooool.

  • TripC | December 18, 2007 at 2:49 pm |

    It’s not the Sooners it is his family. His father called him All Day as a child.

  • Randy Williams | December 18, 2007 at 2:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”187994″]No. No. No.

    Peterson’s NFL nickname is AP. AD is already Adalius Thomas.

    The Sooner losers can keep calling him AD but for the Vikings he is AP.[/quote]
    I think LaDainian Tomlinson has proved that nicknames can and will be shared in the NFL.

  • Bruce Menard | December 18, 2007 at 2:54 pm |

    In the Winter of 1970-71 he went to Santurce, Puerto Rico to work under an old idol, Frank Robinson. Robinson, a veteran player-manager, helped Jackson to ease up on himself and to put his own game into perspective. When he returned to the Athletics in Oakland he no longer felt the burdensome need to carry the team or to pressure himself for a hit every time he came to bat. Robinson’s invaluable tutoring also helped him to cultivate his aggressive playing style while keeping his temper in check.

    which supports the PR theory

    Nice find! It also enhances my “mojo” theory too.

  • S.W.P. | December 18, 2007 at 2:56 pm |

    [quote]In a conference call with North American media Monday to promote the game, Miller said he’s likely to take the ice Jan. 1 sporting a blue-and-gold Sabres toque on top of his mask.
    “You get used to wearing your helmet a certain way,” he said. “I don’t know what I could wear underneath that to make it feel the same and stay warm. So it might be a good solution — get some carpet tape and tape a toque to my helmet.”[/quote]-TSN. No indication whether he’ll wear the tuque or the “Fargo” cap.
    Related article here about 2003’s Heritage Classic.

  • Ash | December 18, 2007 at 3:07 pm |

    Why is his uni number wrong in the video game? Had he not been assigned a number by the Dolphins in time?

    That’s the image EA Sports used on draft day. After each first round pick is made they post the player’s Madden video game likeness to the EA website with their college number.

  • Justin | December 18, 2007 at 3:16 pm |
  • =bg= | December 18, 2007 at 3:31 pm |

    Looking for that RBK ski cap for the Pack? Keeping looking.

    http://sports.yahoo....

  • patrick | December 18, 2007 at 3:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”187994″]No. No. No.

    Peterson’s NFL nickname is AP. AD is already Adalius Thomas.

    The Sooner losers can keep calling him AD but for the Vikings he is AP.[/quote]

    NO NO NO NO NO. He was Adrian peterson at Oklahoma, when he began a freakish, mythical running back he got to go by his longtime nickanme, All Day, aka AD.

  • Marty Met | December 18, 2007 at 3:42 pm |

    When Reggie first signed with the Yankees, he wore number 20 (on that God awful looking uniform)as a tribute to Frank Robinson but changed it to 44. Bucky Dent took number #20 when he was traded from the White Sox. Anyone know why Reggie changed numbers?

  • Frankie | December 18, 2007 at 3:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”187871″]We all know Ted Ginn Jr. wore a placekicker’s facemask in college, and has continued wearing it with the Dolphins, but apparently nobody told the folks who designed this video game…

    Nobody told them that Miami would have been wearing white in that game, not aqua, either.[/quote]

    Nor were they told that he most definitely would not be allowed to wear #7. I could understand seeing him wearing #11 for the game, because he originally took that number right after the draft, but switched to #19 about a week later.

  • Frankie | December 18, 2007 at 3:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”187997″][quote comment=”187945″]Our team is buying new helmets this year and we’re considering the Riddell Revolution and the Schutt Air XP. Price is similar, so which do you think is better? The Revo has the inflatable ear pads which saves some initial cost, but the XP is clearly more comfortable and we already have existing face masks. Which would you go with?[/quote]

    The Riddell Revolution is by far the most comfortable helmet I’ve ever worn. It’s also the safest. I would definitely say purchase the Revolutions for next year.

    Besides, they look cooool.[/quote]

    I would go with the DNA. Best helmet I’ve ever worn, plus, it looks more like a traditional helmet than does the Revolution.

  • Frankie | December 18, 2007 at 3:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”188018″][quote comment=”187997″][quote comment=”187945″]Our team is buying new helmets this year and we’re considering the Riddell Revolution and the Schutt Air XP. Price is similar, so which do you think is better? The Revo has the inflatable ear pads which saves some initial cost, but the XP is clearly more comfortable and we already have existing face masks. Which would you go with?[/quote]

    The Riddell Revolution is by far the most comfortable helmet I’ve ever worn. It’s also the safest. I would definitely say purchase the Revolutions for next year.

    Besides, they look cooool.[/quote]

    I would go with the DNA. Best helmet I’ve ever worn, plus, it looks more like a traditional helmet than does the Revolution.[/quote]

    And you can use the standard facemasks.

  • Frankie | December 18, 2007 at 3:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”188018″][quote comment=”187997″][quote comment=”187945″]Our team is buying new helmets this year and we’re considering the Riddell Revolution and the Schutt Air XP. Price is similar, so which do you think is better? The Revo has the inflatable ear pads which saves some initial cost, but the XP is clearly more comfortable and we already have existing face masks. Which would you go with?[/quote]

    The Riddell Revolution is by far the most comfortable helmet I’ve ever worn. It’s also the safest. I would definitely say purchase the Revolutions for next year.

    Besides, they look cooool.[/quote]

    I would go with the DNA. Best helmet I’ve ever worn, plus, it looks more like a traditional helmet than does the Revolution.[/quote]

    And you can use the standard facemasks.

  • Deron | December 18, 2007 at 4:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”188020″][quote comment=”188018″][quote comment=”187997″][quote comment=”187945″]Our team is buying new helmets this year and we’re considering the Riddell Revolution and the Schutt Air XP. Price is similar, so which do you think is better? The Revo has the inflatable ear pads which saves some initial cost, but the XP is clearly more comfortable and we already have existing face masks. Which would you go with?[/quote]

    The Riddell Revolution is by far the most comfortable helmet I’ve ever worn. It’s also the safest. I would definitely say purchase the Revolutions for next year.

    Besides, they look cooool.[/quote]

    I would go with the DNA. Best helmet I’ve ever worn, plus, it looks more like a traditional helmet than does the Revolution.[/quote]

    And you can use the standard facemasks.[/quote]

    My vote is for Schutt. The Air XP is an excellent helmet and has a traditional look. And as originally stated, uses standard masks.

  • Bruce Menard | December 18, 2007 at 4:17 pm |

    When Reggie first signed with the Yankees, he wore number 20 (on that God awful looking uniform)as a tribute to Frank Robinson but changed it to 44. Bucky Dent took number #20 when he was traded from the White Sox. Anyone know why Reggie changed numbers?

    I’d never heard that, so after a bit of digging I found this nugget…very interesting:
    The Yankees signed Jackson to a five-year contract, totaling $2.96 million, on November 29, 1976. Upon arriving in New York, the number 9 that he had worn in Oakland and Baltimore was worn by third baseman Graig Nettles. Jackson asked for number 42, in memory of Jackie Robinson. But manager Billy Martin brought his friend Art Fowler in as pitching coach, and gave him number 42. So, noting that then-all-time home run leader Hank Aaron had just retired, Jackson asked for and received number 44, Aaron’s number. On his first day in spring training the following February, however, Jackson wore number 20 before switching to 44.

  • Johnny O | December 18, 2007 at 4:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”188011″]Looking for that RBK ski cap for the Pack? Keeping looking.

    http://sports.yahoo....
    Wow! When I was at Lambeau Field a little over a month ago, it seemed that they had plenty. I picked mine up for $18 and thought that was kind of expensive. It just goes to show yo that Packer fans are some of the best, but some of the craziest in the world.

    P.S. If anyone wants to buy my hat for $75, please feel free to contact me.

  • Brendan | December 18, 2007 at 4:40 pm |

    I am 100% positive the Reggie Jackson picture was taken at the Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum (as it was known at the time), and probably in 1970 or 1971.

  • Chance | December 18, 2007 at 4:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”187924″][quote comment=”187895″][quote comment=”187888″]arent they still the same template though? isnt it still an edge jersey, just a different textile?

    YEP! and some teams got HOSED because of it (those stupid design templates) too!!![/quote]

    Which teams did you have in mind?[/quote]

    My beloved St.Louis Blues, the oilers, panthers and predators.[/quote]

    Then your beef is with the teams – Reebok could have given them other design types (such as Colorado’s mountains, which the team chose not to use).

    Blaming the template lets the real culprits off the hook – the executives charged with honoring their clubs’ histories who let themselves be blinded by the promise of more money.

  • HR Collins | December 18, 2007 at 4:45 pm |

    Never understood why that if there is snow forecast for an NFL game site that the field isn’t painted with orange lines.

    In Cleveland on Sunday you might not have been able to see the lines all the time but it would have made it easier for the officials.

  • Justin | December 18, 2007 at 4:45 pm |

    Here’s my take, amongst the vast monochrome haters today.
    1. Broncos blue/blue look is good, better than blue/white, the only thing messing it up is the socks. Never ever should the orange unis be brought back out. There’s a reason they re-designed them in 1997. And I know the Elway-led Broncos wore all blue at least twice in the 2 years he wore the new design.(superbowl winning years btw)
    2. Vikings unis wouldnt be so hideous if they wouldnt have the ugly patch at the top of the pants. and purple on purple is revolting
    3. What goes generally unnoticed is the UGLIEST phenomenon in football, the Revolution helmet. It can make the most beautiful uni look ridiculous
    As seen here>>>
    WOOF!

    The reason the Broncos and Ravens monochrome is better is the Blue/Black rule. Everyone likes those colors. You stick players in all orange (browns, broncos) or purple (ravens, vikings) or even red (Cardinals, Texans) and somehting just doesnt look quite right. Every other pro sport goes monochrome with Yellow or some other disgusting color and no one spends any time bitching about their same color getup. Why is it that football isnt allowed to have the same? Perhaps you think this looked good, but i got news, it SUCKED.

    take it how you will

  • todd krevanchi | December 18, 2007 at 4:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”188027″]When Reggie first signed with the Yankees, he wore number 20 (on that God awful looking uniform)as a tribute to Frank Robinson but changed it to 44. Bucky Dent took number #20 when he was traded from the White Sox. Anyone know why Reggie changed numbers?

    I’d never heard that, so after a bit of digging I found this nugget…very interesting:
    The Yankees signed Jackson to a five-year contract, totaling $2.96 million, on November 29, 1976. Upon arriving in New York, the number 9 that he had worn in Oakland and Baltimore was worn by third baseman Graig Nettles. Jackson asked for number 42, in memory of Jackie Robinson. But manager Billy Martin brought his friend Art Fowler in as pitching coach, and gave him number 42. So, noting that then-all-time home run leader Hank Aaron had just retired, Jackson asked for and received number 44, Aaron’s number. On his first day in spring training the following February, however, Jackson wore number 20 before switching to 44.[/quote]

    great find!

  • Marty Met | December 18, 2007 at 5:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”188034″][quote comment=”188027″]When Reggie first signed with the Yankees, he wore number 20 (on that God awful looking uniform)as a tribute to Frank Robinson but changed it to 44. Bucky Dent took number #20 when he was traded from the White Sox. Anyone know why Reggie changed numbers?

    I’d never heard that, so after a bit of digging I found this nugget…very interesting:
    The Yankees signed Jackson to a five-year contract, totaling $2.96 million, on November 29, 1976. Upon arriving in New York, the number 9 that he had worn in Oakland and Baltimore was worn by third baseman Graig Nettles. Jackson asked for number 42, in memory of Jackie Robinson. But manager Billy Martin brought his friend Art Fowler in as pitching coach, and gave him number 42. So, noting that then-all-time home run leader Hank Aaron had just retired, Jackson asked for and received number 44, Aaron’s number. On his first day in spring training the following February, however, Jackson wore number 20 before switching to 44.[/quote]

    great find![/quote]

    Thank you. although I’m wondering why he switched to 20 and then back to 44.

  • James Craven | December 18, 2007 at 5:23 pm |

    There we go. As for the ugliest uniforms, see Any Cincinnati Bengals Uniform after 1981.

  • David | December 18, 2007 at 5:25 pm |

    I was going to post that the shmultz was pine tar but then I CTRL-F’ed and saw other people saying the same thing. So I think that is pine tar, too, to hold to ball and fumble less.

  • David | December 18, 2007 at 5:25 pm |

    italics?

  • Frank | December 18, 2007 at 5:26 pm |

    Cheers for the Caps going back to the old style sweaters.

    I must admit I’ve warmed up to the new “old” logo. Clean up the jersey a little bit for next year by getting rid of, or at least modifying, the Bettman stripes, add a little bit more contrast to the bottom of the shirt and it could pretty decent.

  • RaoulDuke | December 18, 2007 at 5:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”188031″][quote comment=”187924″][quote comment=”187895″][quote comment=”187888″]arent they still the same template though? isnt it still an edge jersey, just a different textile?

    YEP! and some teams got HOSED because of it (those stupid design templates) too!!![/quote]

    Which teams did you have in mind?[/quote]

    My beloved St.Louis Blues, the oilers, panthers and predators.[/quote]

    Then your beef is with the teams – Reebok could have given them other design types (such as Colorado’s mountains, which the team chose not to use).

    Blaming the template lets the real culprits off the hook – the executives charged with honoring their clubs’ histories who let themselves be blinded by the promise of more money.[/quote]

    I totally agree. The owners/executives are just as culpable as reebok and bettman.

  • ryan c | December 18, 2007 at 5:28 pm |

    arent they still the same template though? isnt it still an edge jersey, just a different textile?

    YEP! and some teams got HOSED because of it (those stupid design templates) too!!!

    Which teams did you have in mind?

    My beloved St.Louis Blues, the oilers, panthers and predators.

    Then your beef is with the teams – Reebok could have given them other design types (such as Colorado’s mountains, which the team chose not to use).

    Blaming the template lets the real culprits off the hook – the executives charged with honoring their clubs’ histories who let themselves be blinded by the promise of more money.

    Penguins
    Oilers
    Stars
    Islanders
    Av’s
    Lightning

    both are at fault

  • ryan c | December 18, 2007 at 5:41 pm |

    besides… i don’t remember ANY nhl team just dying to change it’s jersey style before rbk had it’s great jersey idea…

  • Paul Lukas | December 18, 2007 at 5:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”188039″]I was going to post that the shmultz was pine tar but then I CTRL-F’ed and saw other people saying the same thing. So I think that is pine tar, too, to hold to ball and fumble less.[/quote]

    Is that legal?

  • felix | December 18, 2007 at 6:11 pm |

    Speaking of NHL jersey/sweater/whatever changes, I wish the Leafs would ditch the lame new design and go back to these (Bonus: Goalie fight.)

  • felix | December 18, 2007 at 6:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”188048″][quote comment=”188039″]I was going to post that the shmultz was pine tar but then I CTRL-F’ed and saw other people saying the same thing. So I think that is pine tar, too, to hold to ball and fumble less.[/quote]

    Is that legal?[/quote]

    Stickum was banned with the ‘Lester Hayes Rule’ , seeing as it has pine tar-like qualities, I’d assume pine tar is verboten too. Wiki entry for Stickum agrees,

  • Kyle O. | December 18, 2007 at 6:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”187871″]We all know Ted Ginn Jr. wore a placekicker’s facemask in college, and has continued wearing it with the Dolphins, but apparently nobody told the folks who designed this video game…

    Nobody told them that Miami would have been wearing white in that game, not aqua, either.[/quote]
    He is also wearing his college number

  • felix | December 18, 2007 at 6:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”188052″][quote comment=”187871″]We all know Ted Ginn Jr. wore a placekicker’s facemask in college, and has continued wearing it with the Dolphins, but apparently nobody told the folks who designed this video game…

    Nobody told them that Miami would have been wearing white in that game, not aqua, either.[/quote]
    He is also wearing his college number[/quote]

    That screenshot is him scoring on a fake punt I guess. Or maybe Miami’s trying him out at QB too. (Note to Cam Cameron: Why not? Can’t be any worse than Beck or Lemon)

  • LI Phil | December 18, 2007 at 6:46 pm |

    seems like MJ has “this much” love for the 3 stripes

    (notice the tape covering the logo)

  • Avocado | December 18, 2007 at 7:24 pm |

    Singed Nipple Syndrome is no laughing matter. My brother died that way.

  • Kevin Grimstad | December 18, 2007 at 7:48 pm |

    During Monday night’s game, somewhere Sheb Wooley was rolling in his grave.

  • felix | December 18, 2007 at 8:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”188060″]Singed Nipple Syndrome is no laughing matter. My brother died that way.[/quote]

    Singing nipples would be a hit at parties though.

  • Anonymous | December 18, 2007 at 8:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”188060″]Singed Nipple Syndrome is no laughing matter. My brother died that way.[/quote]

    Rules.

    Abide them.

  • dan | December 18, 2007 at 9:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”187854″]RE: Ted Ginn

    He wore this facemask in 2004-05 season, as well as the 2005-06 season

    http://www.the-ozone...

    He switched to the kicker style mask for the 2006-07 season[/quote]

    As well as that he switched visors. He went from an oakley clear (pic above) to a nike clear

    http://images.usatod...

  • Tim McCabe | December 18, 2007 at 9:34 pm |

    I’m not a big fan of the Vikings purple pants. Problem is, have you seen the white jersey white pants combo? They have the same blob at the top of the pants stripe that you get with the purple/purple combo.

    Only a few more years, and then they can ditch these jerseys and go back to the throwback look full time…

  • Cosmo Kramer | December 18, 2007 at 9:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”188033″]Here’s my take, amongst the vast monochrome haters today.
    1. Broncos blue/blue look is good, better than blue/white, the only thing messing it up is the socks. Never ever should the orange unis be brought back out. There’s a reason they re-designed them in 1997. And I know the Elway-led Broncos wore all blue at least twice in the 2 years he wore the new design.(superbowl winning years btw)

    One of those games was pre-season. Any real Broncos fan knows that Elway hated the blue monochrome, and nixed their usage for the greater part of his last couple of years there.

    Vikings fans are late arrivers with AD. That was his nickname as a child, and no porple clad, hot-air homer-dome sitting plastic grass football fans can change that.

  • Football Player 17 | December 18, 2007 at 10:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”188026″][quote comment=”188020″][quote comment=”188018″][quote comment=”187997″][quote comment=”187945″]Our team is buying new helmets this year and we’re considering the Riddell Revolution and the Schutt Air XP. Price is similar, so which do you think is better? The Revo has the inflatable ear pads which saves some initial cost, but the XP is clearly more comfortable and we already have existing face masks. Which would you go with?[/quote]

    The Riddell Revolution is by far the most comfortable helmet I’ve ever worn. It’s also the safest. I would definitely say purchase the Revolutions for next year.

    Besides, they look cooool.[/quote]

    I would go with the DNA. Best helmet I’ve ever worn, plus, it looks more like a traditional helmet than does the Revolution.[/quote]

    And you can use the standard facemasks.[/quote]

    My vote is for Schutt. The Air XP is an excellent helmet and has a traditional look. And as originally stated, uses standard masks.[/quote]

    I’ve worn both the Revolution and the DNA. The DNA is way to heavy. It makes you put your head down which could cause major problems. Also, the Revo helmet is much more comfortable and I like the look better as well.

  • LI Phil | December 18, 2007 at 10:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”188104″][quote comment=”188026″][quote comment=”188020″][quote comment=”188018″][quote comment=”187997″][quote comment=”187945″]Our team is buying new helmets this year and we’re considering the Riddell Revolution and the Schutt Air XP. Price is similar, so which do you think is better? The Revo has the inflatable ear pads which saves some initial cost, but the XP is clearly more comfortable and we already have existing face masks. Which would you go with?[/quote]

    The Riddell Revolution is by far the most comfortable helmet I’ve ever worn. It’s also the safest. I would definitely say purchase the Revolutions for next year.

    Besides, they look cooool.[/quote]

    I would go with the DNA. Best helmet I’ve ever worn, plus, it looks more like a traditional helmet than does the Revolution.[/quote]

    And you can use the standard facemasks.[/quote]

    My vote is for Schutt. The Air XP is an excellent helmet and has a traditional look. And as originally stated, uses standard masks.[/quote]

    I’ve worn both the Revolution and the DNA. The DNA is way to heavy. It makes you put your head down which could cause major problems. Also, the Revo helmet is much more comfortable and I like the look better as well.[/quote]

    have you considered the gladiator?

  • todd krevanchi | December 18, 2007 at 10:56 pm |

    anyone else watching this UK/Houston game?
    Cougars with 2 different numeral fonts for front and back. Noticable on the “2’s”.

    see photo 9 in the morehead state gallery…
    http://uhcougars.cst...;

  • hus | December 18, 2007 at 11:03 pm |

  • hus | December 18, 2007 at 11:03 pm |
  • James Craven | December 18, 2007 at 11:22 pm |

    Bill Parcells to be Falcons VP football ops/head coach?

    Could it be possible that a return to the red helmets of the 1980’s as well as those unis (with the current logo?)

  • felix | December 18, 2007 at 11:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”188116″]Bill Parcells to be Falcons VP football ops/head coach?

    Could it be possible that a return to the red helmets of the 1980’s as well as those unis (with the current logo?)[/quote]

    Well, Chris Mortensen says no on the coaching part, yes to VP offer.

  • Joseph | December 18, 2007 at 11:48 pm |

    Randy Moss also had the wrong number in Madden for a while because in camp he was wearing 6, then switched to 81 for the season

  • Jordan | December 19, 2007 at 12:15 am |

    Mark me down as somebody that thinks the Broncos uniforms are a little dated. They need new ones

  • Dean | December 19, 2007 at 12:22 am |

    Nice to see someone else knows why Adrian Peterson’s nickname is AD, about the “schmultz” I’d have to say it looks like pine tar or stickum to give him a better grip on the ball. I highly doubt that it comes from the ball.

  • DW95MVP | December 19, 2007 at 4:27 am |
  • Dane | December 19, 2007 at 8:16 am |

    [quote comment=”188180″]Is there any need for MJ to cover up the adidas logo?[/quote]

    Caption for that photo:
    “Nike gave me a stack of $100 bills THIS THICK to cover up the adidas logo.”

  • Matt Powers | December 19, 2007 at 8:30 am |

    Yes, because he is a major player, if not major shareholder of a shoe and apparel company bearing his own name and image. Street Cred and loyalty go farther than you would imagine. As observant as we are, imagine middle and high school kids who line up for hours before a foot locker opens to pick up the freshest pair of retro kicks. Believe me, MJ wearing the three stripes logo on his chest would be akin ro a Red Sock wearing Yankee pinstripes!(Johnny Damon, Big Papi in this year’s ESPN commercial)

  • todd krevanchi | December 19, 2007 at 8:46 am |

    [quote comment=”188119″][quote comment=”188116″]Bill Parcells to be Falcons VP football ops/head coach?

    Could it be possible that a return to the red helmets of the 1980’s as well as those unis (with the current logo?)[/quote]

    Well, Chris Mortensen says no on the coaching part, yes to VP offer.[/quote]

    the same bill parcells whose philosophy is, “If they want you to cook the dinner, at least they ought to let you shop for the groceries.”

    lets see how this all or none philosophy works when the shoe is on the other foot.

  • CV | December 19, 2007 at 9:47 am |

    [quote comment=”188098″]I’m not a big fan of the Vikings purple pants. Problem is, have you seen the white jersey white pants combo? They have the same blob at the top of the pants stripe that you get with the purple/purple combo.

    Only a few more years, and then they can ditch these jerseys and go back to the throwback look full time…[/quote]

    Yep, which is why the white jerseys and purple pants are the best look of the new set, and rarely worn for some stupid reason.

  • Jesse | December 19, 2007 at 12:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”187845″]Here’s my gripe with the monochrome purple…I don’t hate purple and I think monochrome with the more modern templates can look good, but the purple pants were designed to go with the white jerseys. The top of the pants stripe is purple to blend with the purple side panel on the white jerseys. This is similar to the discussion on the Bengals’ pants from last week. When the purple pants are worn with the purple jersey the white stripe down the side of the player is broken up by the purple blob at the top of the pants. Looks obviously mismatched.[/quote]

    While I agree that mis-match panels are a problem, white-on-white was a Vikings option from day one and the panel stripes on the white jersey do not match the stripes on the white pants. So, the mis-matched purple-on-purple comment doesn’t really apply. It doesn’t match, but I don’t think the designers really cared that much because they don’t have a set of “road white” pants to match the white jerseys.

  • Christopher | December 19, 2007 at 3:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”188048″][quote comment=”188039″]I was going to post that the shmultz was pine tar but then I CTRL-F’ed and saw other people saying the same thing. So I think that is pine tar, too, to hold to ball and fumble less.[/quote]

    Is that legal?[/quote]

    I don’t know, but from Wikipedia:

    Lester Hayes of the Oakland Raiders was one of the NFL’s leaders at interceptions in the late 1970s and early 1980s. He was known for covering his chest, shoulders and forearms with a copious amounts of adhesive (“stickum”) to help him hold onto the ball. After the NFL outlawed the use of such foreign substances in 1981, Hayes’ success rate at interceptions dropped below average. He continued to use the substance, which he called, “pick juice,” by having it applied in smaller amounts to his wrists.

    Notice they say “such” substances. Is that only stickum? Anything sticky?

  • Graham | December 19, 2007 at 7:48 pm |

    best hat ever.

    http://www.lids.com/...

  • derek | December 25, 2007 at 12:38 pm |

    I think the nebraska mizzou pic might be from later on. This link http://huskerpedia.c... shows a pic from the 78 neb / oklahoma game and it looks like they have gray face masks instead of red like the picture shows. Also, I’m not sure, but I think the Nikes might have come along in about 81 or 82