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A Real Team Player

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Got a note the other day from reader Mike Engle, who tipped me wise to an eBay item that, if legit, would definitely add a new chapter to the MLB database (or at least to my database — maybe everyone else knows about this already).

As you can see in the eBay listing, what we have here is supposedly a game-used Tim Wallach jersey with an “Expos” nameplate. According to the seller, “What is very unique about the jersey is [that] the Expos nameplate on the back is covering the name Fuentes, so instead of giving the rookies a new jersey, they just covered up the name with Expos.” Although he didn’t spell it out fully, what he appears to be saying is that this was done for September call-ups.

I’d never heard of this practice before, and I was rather skeptical, especially since there are tons of bogus “game-worn” jerseys floating around out there. So I checked with Bill Henderson, author of the awesome MLB Game Worn Jerseys of the Double Knit Era (which everyone reading this really ought to own), to see if he had any insights. His response:

I’ve seen jerseys like this before, like this one. I don’t have a for-sure explanation, but someone once told me that when NOB jerseys were sent to the minors where they didn’t use NOB, this was used as an alternative to either pulling the nameplate off the back (lots of work) or covering it with a blank nameplate.

Hmmmm, interesting. The minor league explanation would only make sense if the farm team had the same name as the big league club. And as it turns out, yes, Montreal’s Rookie League and low-A affiliates were indeed called the Expos back then, so it’s possible that this was a repurposed minor league jersey. But the idea of Wallach having worn the jersey in an MLB is much sexier. In lieu of any hard proof either way, let’s look at some evidence on each side of the question, beginning with factors that argue in favor of this having been an MLB jersey:

• Tim Wallach did indeed have a cup of coffee with the Expos toward the end of the 1980 season, appearing in five games.

• Although Wallach wore No. 29 for the rest of his career, he wore 58 during that brief 1980 stint with the ’Spos.

• The raglan sleeves match the Expos’ jersey style from 1980. So does the tagging.

• The eBay seller has 100% positive feedback, based on over 2000 transactions.

On the other hand:

• The Expos’ NOBs were radially arched back in 1980. So even if they did use “Expos” as a cover-up nameplate, it seems odd that the lettering would be vertically arched.

• Although you can see the name “Fuentes” underneath the team nameplate, the Expos didn’t have anyone on their roster named Fuentes in 1980 (or for the two seasons immediately before and after).

• I’m still having a hard time accepting that any MLB team would have done this.

If anyone knows more about this, I’m all ears.

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Uni Watch Injury Report: Thanks to everyone who sent me kind wishes regarding yesterday’s waterboarding oral surgery. I was pretty worried when I got to the doctor’s office and found him wearing — I shit you not — a purple-striped dress shirt. Fortunately, he changed to green scrubs a few minutes after that.

Anyway: I’m told that the procedure was a success (or at least that’s the preliminary assessment — I have to go back for a follow-up visit next week), and the post-op discomfort has been pretty manageable so far. Basically, my mouth feels like it’s in a sling, but not in a cast. In sports parlance, I’d say my status is “day-to-day.”

Worst part, at least for now, is that I can only eat oatmeal, pudding, yogurt, and similar squishibles. (Note to intern Nina Dubin: If you’ve got a few minutes, please head over here to Uni Watch HQ, and on the way pick up some steaks, chops, and a blender. Thanks.)

Uni Watch News Ticker: Shame on me for not remembering that the person shown in this photo (from yesterday’s Boston party report) was none other than Mario Fontana, aka the guy responsible for the great Little Fenway report about six weeks back. Sorry for the brain-lock, Mario. … Friendly reminder: Today and tomorrow are the last days for getting the 15% discount at Victory Pennants. Just enter the code “uniwatch001” at checkout. … The Texans will be wearing solid red tonight, which promises to be a design debacle for the ages. … Yesterday’s link to the Yankees design error in MLB 08 for Playstation 3 didn’t work, so here it is again. … Throwback jerseys are big holiday sellers in Pittsburgh (with thanks to Tom Konecny). … Bill Guerin’s four-stripe shoulder patch, representing the Isles’ four Stanley Cup championships, has been missing lately. Details here (with thanks to Peter Sowinski). … The Astros acquired pitcher Ryan Houston today. As several readers have pointed out, he will become the only current MLBer to wear his surname on the front and back of his jersey (at least when the ’Stros are on the road). Last player I can recall doing this was Curtis Pride, who played with the triple-A Nashua Pride a few years back. … Jere Smith has put together a great blog entry about the Massachusetts bicentennial patch the Red Sox wore in the mid-’70s. Check it out here. … The Brewers designated Matt Wise for assignment on Wednesday. But as this page explains, “Wise’s fate became obvious on Monday, when the Brewers introduced Gagne at Miller Park in a No. 38 jersey that still technically belonged to Wise” (excellent find by Dan Cichalski). … Cork Gaines has spotted Rays skipper Joe Moaddon (whose continued employment remains a deep mystery, but that’s another matter) wearing what appears to an alternate cap. Upon close inspection of the brim, this looks like a BP or fashion cap to me, but we’ll see. … File this one right next to the titanium necklace stories (along with the Tooth Fairy, the Great Pumpkin, etc.). … Did you know that there’s a number-retirement controversy lurking in Red Wings history? I didn’t, until Steve Moeller forwarded me this excellent story. Highly recommended reading. … Four NHL players are secretly wearing those heated skate blades that we first discussed back in October. Behind-the-scenes factoid: Over the past month or so, I’ve arranged on two occasions to test-drive the blades myself for an ESPN video shoot, but in each case the manufacturer has fucked up at the last minute, forcing us to cancel. Hope their product is better than their publicity department.

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Tomorrow: A bunch of new Uni Watch raffle items, just in time for Christmas.

 

171 comments to A Real Team Player

  • The Pod | December 13, 2007 at 9:32 am |

    Here’s a compilation of MLB Players adjusting their uniforms …

    Okay, they’re just all really just grabbing their crotch

  • Gazzoo | December 13, 2007 at 9:33 am |

    The Fuentes on the Expos in that era was probably only with them in spring training…hence the number 58.

  • Mike | December 13, 2007 at 9:35 am |

    That post late last night that mentioned the Lingerie bowl field being visible on the Google Earth image was really cool. I love finding things on there that let you date it…for instance, the Rose Bowl having USC and Texas endzones or Seahawks Stadium obviously holding the Apple Cup.

  • Tim | December 13, 2007 at 9:46 am |

    It was posted either early this week or last about Man United wearing a different Kit for the Manchester Derby.

    Man City are to wear a special kit in the Manchester derby on February 9, three days after the 50th Saturday anniversary of the Munich air disaster. The shirt will have a black Bolton ribbon, along with the words “Manchester Remembers”.

  • NateL | December 13, 2007 at 9:46 am |

    Paul,
    The Nashua Pride are not a triple-A team. When Curtis Pride played for them, they were members of the Atlantic League. They have since changed to the Can-Am League.

    I remember going to Pride games when I was young(er). Good baseball, and always a chance to see Butch Hobson as the manager. And there was always a smattering of former MLB players on the rosters.

  • Bret the Jet | December 13, 2007 at 9:49 am |

    [quote comment=”185787″]Here’s a compilation of MLB Players adjusting their uniforms …

    Okay, they’re just all really just grabbing their crotch[/quote]

    Okay, I feel all gross now. But that was hilarious.

  • Daren L | December 13, 2007 at 9:51 am |

    How can that jersey not be legit? It’s got Expos dirt on it!

  • Matt | December 13, 2007 at 10:01 am |

    Did anyone else notice that big advertisement atop the flyer promoting the Texans wearing their red alternate jerseys?

    “Battle Red Day presented by Halliburton

    ummm…

  • Shane S. | December 13, 2007 at 10:07 am |

    /Bush Derangement Syndrome hat on:

    Oh no! The Texans game tonight is sponsored by Halliburton! Does Bushy McChimpyhitlerburton have his hands in EVERYTHING?? It was only a matter of time. No Battle Red Uniforms for Oil! Impeach Matt Schaub!

    /Bush Derangement Syndrome hat off

  • TOG | December 13, 2007 at 10:08 am |

    I have a general question? The practice of Asian players using their first name on the back of their jerseys is attributed to what? Examples such as:

    ICHIRO (Suzuki)
    YAO (Ming)

    And now…

    KOSUKE (Fukudome)
    His last name has all kinds of Wrigley Field bleachers chant possibilities…
    http://www.wrigleyvi...

    I wonder why some MLB teams and pro teams in general do not try and add some added difference to their alternates and use the first name of the player instead of the last name?

    I guess you might have a lot of Mike’s, Joe’s and Bill’s that would confuse casual fans…

    Just a thought.

  • Miguel | December 13, 2007 at 10:13 am |

    [quote comment=”185798″]How can that jersey not be legit? It’s got Expos dirt on it![/quote]

    I agree – that is clearly Canadian dirt.

  • Anthony Verna | December 13, 2007 at 10:13 am |

    Hopefully this ends italics. . .

    I asked about Halliburton sponsoring the red uniform day earlier (I forget if it were this year or last year), wondering what they’d be getting out of it.

    Not for any political motives, but it does seem to be an odd sponsorship.

  • Shane S. | December 13, 2007 at 10:13 am |

    Matt- My apologies, but I posted my halliburton comment right after yours, and now it looks like I was responding to your comment and ripping on you. It wasn’t my intent, honestly :)

  • Shane S. | December 13, 2007 at 10:14 am |

    Thanks for fixing the italics! I forgot to close it.

  • Trevor Kruger | December 13, 2007 at 10:16 am |

    [quote comment=”185804″]I have a general question? The practice of Asian players using their first name on the back of their jerseys is attributed to what? Examples such as:

    ICHIRO (Suzuki)
    YAO (Ming)

    And now…

    KOSUKE (Fukudome)
    His last name has all kinds of Wrigley Field bleachers chant possibilities…
    http://www.wrigleyvi...

    I wonder why some MLB teams and pro teams in general do not try and add some added difference to their alternates and use the first name of the player instead of the last name?

    I guess you might have a lot of Mike’s, Joe’s and Bill’s that would confuse casual fans…

    Just a thought.[/quote]
    The Mariners actually did a commercial with this theme in Ichiro’s second year. Bret (Boone), Edgar(Martinez), Jamie(Moyer), etc. Then John Olerud and John Halama were back in the dugout playing rock, paper, scissors to determine who got the John jersey.

  • Shaftman | December 13, 2007 at 10:18 am |

    OT: Being DDay in MLB, I figured some of you might want to be up to date on the proceedings.

    There is a report from ESPN that says that Clemens will be named in the Mitchell Report. Carry on.

  • Shaftman | December 13, 2007 at 10:19 am |

    [quote comment=”185812″]OT: Being DDay in MLB, I figured some of you might want to be up to date on the proceedings.

    There is a report from ESPN that says that Clemens will be named in the Mitchell Report. Carry on.[/quote]

    Sorry, forgot the link.

  • Ian K | December 13, 2007 at 10:20 am |

    [quote comment=”185804″]I have a general question? The practice of Asian players using their first name on the back of their jerseys is attributed to what? Examples such as:

    ICHIRO (Suzuki)
    YAO (Ming)

    And now…

    KOSUKE (Fukudome)
    His last name has all kinds of Wrigley Field bleachers chant possibilities…
    http://www.wrigleyvi...

    I wonder why some MLB teams and pro teams in general do not try and add some added difference to their alternates and use the first name of the player instead of the last name?

    I guess you might have a lot of Mike’s, Joe’s and Bill’s that would confuse casual fans…

    Just a thought.[/quote]

    Yao Ming’s family name/surname is Yao, which is why it’s on his jersey. Chinese names go surname-given name.

    Ichiro has to do with Suzuki being an extremely common name in Japan. Fukudome? Is that a common name? I don’t know, I’ve never been to Japan.

  • N. | December 13, 2007 at 10:23 am |
  • Gary | December 13, 2007 at 10:26 am |

    I was coming in to say the same thing as Natel. The Pride are unaffiliated. Some great baseball in those independent leagues, and you can’t beat the price. I used to live about 5 blocks from the Somerset Patriots stadium. I live out in PA now, and I wish they had built that stadium for the Black Diamonds in Williams Township like they had planned. Now the Black Diamonds are the homeless Road Warriors… And the funding for that stadium went toward Coca Cola Park for the Phillies AAA IronPigs. Not that I’m complaining, it will be cool to see the MLBers rehabbing there. But I always liked Atlantic League baseball.

    As for Butch Hobson, he has been named the manager of the new Southern Maryland Blue Crabs in the Atlantic League. They are owned by Brooks Robinson…

  • Jet | December 13, 2007 at 10:27 am |

    Not exactly analagous, but the Expos nameplate reminded me of what a collector told me long ago when I was collecting game-worn hockey jerseys, that the reason there were so few green/gold California Golden Seals game-worns in circulation was because they sent some of their jerseys to their Salt Lake City Golden Eagles farm team, where the “SEALS” was removed and replace with the Eagles script. Also, I’m pretty sure it was in the recent book about the Seals called “Shorthanded,” that some player was invited back to training camp after playing for the Seals and was told to “bring back the jersey.”

    -Jet

  • possum | December 13, 2007 at 10:29 am |

    I’m no expert on Expos gamers, but I have collected my fair share of minor league gamers. Here’s my take on the Wallach based on my knowledge of gamers and a little bit of research:

    This Fuentes cat was probably Mike Fuentes. Wallach may have worn #58 during his 1980 cup of coffee, but it doesn’t stand to reason that they’d put “Expos” over the nameplate in Montreal (this is where a hardcore Expos collector would come in handy). Fuentes didn’t play his first pro game until 81 with the WPB Expos. I’d like to be able to see the inside of the jersey to tell if the Fuentes was the original nameplate, because I’d wager its not. It was probably used as an extra in 80 (given the unusual number), then passed down to the minors. Because its a set 2 jersey I doubt they’d have used it in 80 Spring Training. My game worn intuition tells me that it was probably used by Wallach in his call up then passed down to WPB in 81 where Fuentes used it. Then it could have gone down to the Rookie League Calgary Expos where they could have used “Expos” as nameplates. A lot of Rookie leagues don’t even use NOBs, much less in the early 80s.

    Two great resources for stuff like this are McCann’s minor league page and the Baseball Cube.

  • Evan | December 13, 2007 at 10:31 am |

    As for the MLB 08 Arod with the number on his Yankees jersey here is another screenshot without the number on his jersey

    It has been known for companies to photoshop screenshots though as seen here on the far right half the guy is missing so maybe someone was altering the arod pic and thought a number was supposed to go there who knows

  • possum | December 13, 2007 at 10:31 am |

    [quote comment=”185817″]Not exactly analagous, but the Expos nameplate reminded me of what a collector told me long ago when I was collecting game-worn hockey jerseys, that the reason there were so few green/gold California Golden Seals game-worns in circulation was because they sent some of their jerseys to their Salt Lake City Golden Eagles farm team, where the “SEALS” was removed and replace with the Eagles script. Also, I’m pretty sure it was in the recent book about the Seals called “Shorthanded,” that some player was invited back to training camp after playing for the Seals and was told to “bring back the jersey.”

    -Jet[/quote]
    This is correct, and was quite common in the pre-80s era. Two other well known examples are the WHA Chicago Cougars and NAHL Long Island Cougars, and the Red Wings/Pittsburgh Hornets (AHL).

  • Eric | December 13, 2007 at 10:35 am |

    That Wallach jersey has to be a minor league jersey. I have a relative that played in the Expos minor league system in the early 90’s and from rookie ball (Jamestown) to low-A (Rockford) to high-A (West Palm Beach), all of the jerseys had Expos on the back.

  • DenverGregg | December 13, 2007 at 10:38 am |

    That Joe Maddon cap is outstanding!

    I saw that the Texans are wearing red jerseys, but didn’t see anything about red pants and don’t remember them wearing red pants before.

    As to Halliburton, they’re active wherever the oil business is, so it’s no surprise they’d be big in H-town.

    Paul – please remember to take the pain meds regularly even if you’re not in major pain, because they work better that way.

  • E Ro | December 13, 2007 at 10:48 am |

    Those thermablades have to be a gimmick. I would wager money that the added weight to the skates compensates for the increased stride speed.

    Sticks have gone up in price about 300% wood is disappearing, now they are trying to make the skate chassis/blade go from $50 to $300 plus batteries? Nothing endorses the NHL and game of hockey like making it even more unaffordable.

  • ross | December 13, 2007 at 10:51 am |

    [quote comment=”185814″][quote comment=”185804″]I have a general question? The practice of Asian players using their first name on the back of their jerseys is attributed to what? Examples such as:

    ICHIRO (Suzuki)
    YAO (Ming)

    And now…

    KOSUKE (Fukudome)
    His last name has all kinds of Wrigley Field bleachers chant possibilities…
    http://www.wrigleyvi...

    I wonder why some MLB teams and pro teams in general do not try and add some added difference to their alternates and use the first name of the player instead of the last name?

    I guess you might have a lot of Mike’s, Joe’s and Bill’s that would confuse casual fans…

    Just a thought.[/quote]

    Yao Ming’s family name/surname is Yao, which is why it’s on his jersey. Chinese names go surname-given name.

    Ichiro has to do with Suzuki being an extremely common name in Japan. Fukudome? Is that a common name? I don’t know, I’ve never been to Japan.[/quote]

    I thought the “Ichiro” on his jersey came from him being so popular in Japan that he only needed his first name on his jersey. I kinda would be like Michael Jordan only needing to put “Michael” on his jersey in the 90’s since there would be no debate as to who that “Michael” was.

    Then again I think I heard this in Ichiro’s rookie season, so my memory could be a little faded.

  • Jeffrey | December 13, 2007 at 10:54 am |

    [quote comment=”185820″]As for the MLB 08 Arod with the number on his Yankees jersey here is another screenshot without the number on his jersey

    [/quote]

    That sure looks like Jeter’s video game face…

  • ScottyJ in WV | December 13, 2007 at 10:56 am |

    That Red Wings article is very interesting.

    What on earth could possibly drive the ownership of the Wings to “unretire” a number, especially the first one?!?

    Quite fascinating and confusing.

  • Steven | December 13, 2007 at 10:59 am |

    Speaking of NHL retired number controversies, what about Aurel Joliat? He played for the Canadiens in the 1920s and 1930s and had his #4 retired (co-retired, once Jean Beliveau’s #4 went to the rafters), and both players were listed as having their #4 retired in the NHL Official Guide and Record Book as recently as a few years ago. Now? It’s just Beliveau…..

  • LI Phil | December 13, 2007 at 11:04 am |

    [quote]It’s going to be a rough day in the Bronx{/quote]

    clemens for sure, prolly pettitte too…plus of course giambi and shef…

    anyone think a-god will top the list?

  • LI Phil | December 13, 2007 at 11:05 am |

    [quote comment=”185834″]It’s going to be a rough day in the Bronx[/quote]

    clemens for sure, prolly pettitte too…plus of course giambi and shef…

    anyone think a-god will top the list?

  • Kevin M. | December 13, 2007 at 11:08 am |

    [quote comment=”185835″][quote comment=”185834″]It’s going to be a rough day in the Bronx[/quote]

    clemens for sure, prolly pettitte too…plus of course giambi and shef…

    anyone think a-god will top the list?[/quote]

    Just announced on Colin Cowherd show…Pettitte is on the list too.

  • Matt | December 13, 2007 at 11:09 am |

    [quote comment=”185808″]Matt- My apologies, but I posted my halliburton comment right after yours, and now it looks like I was responding to your comment and ripping on you. It wasn’t my intent, honestly :)[/quote]

    No hard feelings.

  • Mark in Shiga | December 13, 2007 at 11:15 am |

    [quote comment=”185826″]
    Ichiro has to do with Suzuki being an extremely common name in Japan. Fukudome? Is that a common name? I don’t know, I’ve never been to Japan.[/quote]

    I thought the “Ichiro” on his jersey came from him being so popular in Japan that he only needed his first name on his jersey. I kinda would be like Michael Jordan only needing to put “Michael” on his jersey in the 90’s since there would be no debate as to who that “Michael” was.

    Then again I think I heard this in Ichiro’s rookie season, so my memory could be a little faded.[/quote]

    Ichiro’s FNOB was the idea of a coach who thought it would help a player named with Japan’s version of “Bill Smith” to stand out a little more. He wasn’t famous at all when he first started doing this, and in fact there have been a few A href=”http://jlic.sakura.ne.jp/sblo_files/jlic/image/ryutaro.jpg”>other players such as “Ryutaro” and Kenshi Kawaguchi who used their first names, whether because their surnames were popular, or just because they liked the idea of being called by their given names. Keep in mind that stadium PA announcers and even TV announcers use players’ given names much less often than they would in the English language.

    As for the popularity of the name Fukudome, one search of one Japanese database reveals that it is the 1188th most popular name, and that just 3725 people in Japan bear it. I haven’t heard of any other person with this name, but there are many names that begin with “Fuku” (meaning “luck”), such as Fukui, Fukushima, Fukunaga, Fukumura, Fukuhara, Fukumine, and many, many others. Kings goalkeeper Yutaka Fukufuji has a similarly rare name made of common elements.

  • kyle. | December 13, 2007 at 11:15 am |

    [quote comment=”185787″]Here’s a compilation of MLB Players adjusting their uniforms …

    Okay, they’re just all really just grabbing their crotch[/quote]

    a couple of days back i commented on this because thome’s jersey is one of those futuristic jerseys from a few years back.

  • Paul Lukas | December 13, 2007 at 11:17 am |

    About Ichiro: When he was in the Japanese minors, he was on a team with three or four other players whose last name was Suzuki. So they all wore their first names on their jerseys. Ichiro was the only one who made it to the Japanese bigs, where he was permitted to keep wearing his first name. When he jumped over to the Mariners, he petitioned to keep wearing his first name, and they granted his request.

    For some reason I get a kick out of seeing him listed as “Suzuki” in the box scores — a reminder that you can bend the rules on a uniform, but some rules still apply elsewhere.

    As someone else has pointed out in an earlier comment, Yao Ming’s situation is completely different, because Yao is his family name, just like Suzuki is Ichiro’s family name.

  • Brad | December 13, 2007 at 11:18 am |

    That post late last night that mentioned the Lingerie bowl field being visible on the Google Earth image was really cool. I love finding things on there that let you date it…for instance, the Rose Bowl having USC and Texas endzones or Seahawks Stadium obviously holding the Apple Cup.
    The game in Seahawks Stadium/Qwest Field isn’t the Apple Cup. The Apple Cup has never been played outside of Husky and Martin Stadiums. Each year WSU plays one game in Seattle and that’s what happened to be photographed.

    As far as Ichiro’s story…What happened was his manager for the Orix Blue Wave suggested he put Ichiro on his jersey because of how common Suzuki was and he’d never stand out with Suzuki on his jersey. This was before he became amazing and his being known by just “Ichiro” is because of his first manager’s idea.

  • al | December 13, 2007 at 11:20 am |

    Knickes wore herritage unis yesterday:

    but history shows the knicks did not have a logo on their shorts in the early 70s

    That logo was introduced during the 90’s , and preceded by the interlocking NY

  • Brad | December 13, 2007 at 11:20 am |

    Thanks Paul for hitting submit just before me, lol.

  • Mark in Shiga | December 13, 2007 at 11:24 am |

    Yeah Paul, thanks for eating my post which explained the same thing! ^_^;

    (Or was it the copious number of “fukus” that I used? I went into a long digression about how common KOsuke’s surname is.)

  • Jeffrey | December 13, 2007 at 11:25 am |

    [quote comment=”185787″]Here’s a compilation of MLB Players adjusting their uniforms …

    Okay, they’re just all really just grabbing their crotch[/quote]

    my moms used to say i adjusted my package (ok she didn’t use those terms) far too often when i played baseball in high school…

    i think i’ll send her this link to demonstrate that i was just emulating my heroes.

  • Scott | December 13, 2007 at 11:29 am |

    Regarding #22:

    I’d like to be able to see the inside of the jersey to tell if the Fuentes was the original nameplate, because I’d wager its not.

    You can’t exactly see the inside of the jersey, but in the pic of the front you can see that there’s an “NT” stitched into the back, lending credence to “Fuentes” being the original NOB…

  • LI Phil | December 13, 2007 at 11:30 am |

    [quote comment=”185847″][quote comment=”185787″]Here’s a compilation of MLB Players adjusting their uniforms …

    Okay, they’re just all really just grabbing their crotch[/quote]

    my moms used to say i adjusted my package (ok she didn’t use those terms) far too often when i played baseball in high school…

    i think i’ll send her this link to demonstrate that i was just emulating my heroes.[/quote]

    you have two moms?

    ;)

  • Jeffrey | December 13, 2007 at 11:40 am |

    [quote comment=”185849″][quote comment=”185847″][quote comment=”185787″]Here’s a compilation of MLB Players adjusting their uniforms …

    Okay, they’re just all really just grabbing their crotch[/quote]

    my moms used to say i adjusted my package (ok she didn’t use those terms) far too often when i played baseball in high school…

    i think i’ll send her this link to demonstrate that i was just emulating my heroes.[/quote]

    you have two moms?

    ;)[/quote]

    two OR MORE! :))

  • Shaftman | December 13, 2007 at 11:42 am |

    OT:
    Slightly inside information on the list…

    Brady Anderson, Manny Alexander, Rick Ankiel, Jeff Bagwell, Bar ry Bonds, Aaron Boone, Rafaeil Bettancourt, Bret Boone, Milton Bradley, David Bell, Dante Bichette, Albert Belle, Paul Byrd, Wil Cordero, Ken Caminiti, Mike Cameron, Ramon Castro, Jose and Ozzie Canseco, Roger Clemens, Paxton Crawford, Wilson Delgado, Lenny Dykstra, Johnny Damon, Carl Everett, Kyle Farnsoworth, Ryan Fr anklin, Troy Glaus, Rich Garces, Jason Grimsley, Troy Glaus, Juan Gonzalez, Eric Gagne, Nomar Garciaparra, Jason Giambi, Jeremy Giambi, Jose Guillen, Jay Gibbons, Juan Gonzalez, Clay Hensley, Jerry Hairston, Felix Heredia, Jr., Darren Holmes, Wally Joyner, Darryl Kile, Matt Lawton, Raul Mondesi, Ma rk McGwire, Guillermo Mota, Robert Machado, Damian Moss, Abraham Nunez, Trot Nixon, Jose Offerman, Andy Pettitte, Mark Prior, Neifi Perez, Rafael Palmiero, Albert Pujols, Brian Roberts, Juan Rincon, John Rocker, Pudge Rodriguez, Sammy Sosa, Scott Schoenweiis, David Segui, Alex Sanchez, Gary Sheffield, Miguel Tejada, Julian Tavarez, Fernando Tatis, Maurice Vaughn, Jason Varitek, Ismael Valdez, Matt Williams and Kerry Wood.

  • Slam | December 13, 2007 at 11:42 am |

    Frankly, I believe that those Thermablades should be illegal. What if other sports introduced technology that used “outside energy” (i.e. the battery) to increase performance. For example, what if college ball players had batteries in their aluminum/composite bats that would heat them up so that they would get an extra few feet of distance. What if they invented a battery loaded stick that would give a slapshot a few extra mph’s. Is Brett Favre allowed a battery operated “hand cozie” to keep his hands warm so he can get a better grip on the ball during December Green Bay games? Go all out and make a heated football that would be easier to hold and kick in late fall and early winter. What about battery loaded basketball shoes that would make the user jump an extra couple inches higher. How about battery loaded drivers so Tiger can turn 400 yard holes into par threes. Why not add the same technology to bobsleigh, luge and skeleton sleds? In some cases, I’m sure they are regulations against such things. Hockey should have them too.

    I know that those skate blades do not make a huge difference right know. But, I think that this could be a first step down a slippery slope. I think that technology should be used to harness the athlete’s natural energy and abilities not add to it. No outside power source should be used. (Well, other than motorsports of course.)

    Anyways, that enough of a rant for now.

  • jesse | December 13, 2007 at 12:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”185842″]About Ichiro: When he was in the Japanese minors, he was on a team with three or four other players whose last name was Suzuki. So they all wore their first names on their jerseys. Ichiro was the only one who made it to the Japanese bigs, where he was permitted to keep wearing his first name. When he jumped over to the Mariners, he petitioned to keep wearing his first name, and they granted his request.

    For some reason I get a kick out of seeing him listed as “Suzuki” in the box scores — a reminder that you can bend the rules on a uniform, but some rules still apply elsewhere.

    As someone else has pointed out in an earlier comment, Yao Ming’s situation is completely different, because Yao is his family name, just like Suzuki is Ichiro’s family name.[/quote]

    How far down the slippery slope is it from “Ichero” to “He Hate me”?

  • Charlie | December 13, 2007 at 12:11 pm |

    That screen shot of A-Rod is amazing…looks like the graphics will be spectacular in the game.

    also…where did that list of names come from? Is that the actual list or are you just speculating?

  • Shaftman | December 13, 2007 at 12:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”185865″]
    also…where did that list of names come from? Is that the actual list or are you just speculating?[/quote]

    I know a guy…

  • Cowboy7130 | December 13, 2007 at 12:14 pm |

    The Collegiate Licensing Gestapo has targeted another high school for copyright image infringement. In this case it is not the Wisconsin “W”, but the Washington State Cougars, who have now decided that the Abilene, TX Cooper HS Cougar is causing confusion. Let’s see … a university in the Pacific Northwest, and a high school in Texas … yeah, I can see where there would be a LOT of confusion over that *sarcasm html button ended*. In defense of Cooper, I always thought their “Coog” was a blatant ripoff, but at least “imitation is the sincerest form of flattery!”

    http://www.reportern...

  • LI Phil | December 13, 2007 at 12:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”185865″]also…where did that list of names come from? Is that the actual list or are you just speculating?[/quote]

    i don’t know where the poster got it, but i got it emailed to me in the form of this story

    seems legit

  • Pat | December 13, 2007 at 12:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”185868″][quote comment=”185865″]also…where did that list of names come from? Is that the actual list or are you just speculating?[/quote]

    i don’t know where the poster got it, but i got it emailed to me in the form of this story

    seems legit[/quote]

    The names are gone. All it says now is this:

    [quote]

    A high-ranking MLB official said there are several errors in the list provided to WNBC.com by two sources. Original sources are standing by the preliminary list provided to WNBC.com. Therefore, we working to clarify the list at this time.[/quote]

  • Philly Bill | December 13, 2007 at 12:23 pm |

    Like half those names on the steroid cheat list are guys who’ve already been caught, officially or unofficially — Bell, Byrd, Alexander, Ankiel, Caminiti, Glaus, Segui, Lawton, Mota et al.

    [quote comment=”185823″]That Joe Maddon cap is outstanding!

    I saw that the Texans are wearing red jerseys, but didn’t see anything about red pants and don’t remember them wearing red pants before.

    As to Halliburton, they’re active wherever the oil business is, so it’s no surprise they’d be big in H-town.

    Paul – please remember to take the pain meds regularly even if you’re not in major pain, because they work better that way.[/quote]

    Not to endorse the company, but Halliburton is (was?) a major employer in Houston and built the Astros’ stadium and probably the Texans’ stadium as well. There’s Halliburton signage throughout Minute Maid Park and the area outside the park with Astros’ historical markers is called Halliburton Park. I guess the company is still a big part of their economy even though it’s moving its HQ to Dubai.

  • Cavan | December 13, 2007 at 12:24 pm |

    I think the Texans red jersey actually looks good. I usually don’t like red alts.

  • Neil | December 13, 2007 at 12:25 pm |

    Interesting tidbit in the Thermablades article:

    The four teams they play for asked that their names be kept secret so the Thermablades on their feet didn’t draw media attention and their use become a distraction, says Kris King, the NHL’s Toronto-based senior manager of hockey operations.

    Marty Reasoner is one: he was on the local (Edmonton) news just recently, in the middle of the Oilers dressing room, more than happy to show off the blades for the scribes in attendance. Certainly didn’t seem to be any veil of secrecy then.

  • Kyle O. | December 13, 2007 at 12:27 pm |

    Looks like the Texans can be added to the list of teams with multiple Captains patches

  • Big O | December 13, 2007 at 12:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”185877″]Looks like the Texans can be added to the list of teams with multiple Captains patches[/quote]

    I think any team that uses an alternate jersey has multiple Captains patches. The pattern seems to be one color patch for home and road jerseys and an other color for the alternate. I know that the Giants use the red patch on their road jerseys and alternates.

  • Big Jay | December 13, 2007 at 12:39 pm |

    Mlton Bradley, Albert Belle, Wil Cordero, Jose Canseco, Roger Clemens, Carl Everett, Kyle Farnsworth, Jose Guillen, Jose Offerman, John Rocker, = ROID RAGE.

    But Neifi Perez?? Come on…..
    I’d hate to see that guy off the crank.

  • TOG | December 13, 2007 at 12:46 pm |

    Something about a team with all first names on their alternate jerseys (who have a Japanese player with the same variation) to honor the country of Japan that’s kind of appealing to me…

    Makes an alternate jersey actually mean more than more merchandise sales alone…

    Hmmmm.

    ALFONSO
    RYAN
    DERREK
    ARAMIS
    KOSUKE
    MARK
    GEOVANY
    FELIX
    CARLOS

    Kind of fun and in light the Mitchell report (is Kevin on the list?) something light that baseball might just need this season…

  • Shaftman | December 13, 2007 at 12:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”185885″]Something about a team with all first names on their alternate jerseys (who have a Japanese player with the same variation) to honor the country of Japan that’s kind of appealing to me…

    Makes an alternate jersey actually mean more than more merchandise sales alone…

    Hmmmm.

    ALFONSO
    RYAN
    DERREK
    ARAMIS
    KOSUKE
    MARK
    GEOVANY
    FELIX
    CARLOS

    Kind of fun and in light the Mitchell report (is Kevin on the list?) something light that baseball might just need this season…[/quote]

    There was nothing “light” about Kevin Mitchell…that boy was a house. But yes, I would think he should be on the list (even if he’s not).

  • TOG | December 13, 2007 at 12:59 pm |

    Interesting copy blurb on Fukudome jersey…

    **Jersey style has not been confirmed. These jerseys will ship in 4-6 weeks.*

    http://www.wrigleyvi...

    Interesting how that works…You drop down $159 and not sure what you’re getting??? Hmmm.

  • Justin B | December 13, 2007 at 1:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”185854″]Frankly, I believe that those Thermablades should be illegal. What if other sports introduced technology that used “outside energy” (i.e. the battery) to increase performance. For example, what if college ball players had batteries in their aluminum/composite bats that would heat them up so that they would get an extra few feet of distance. What if they invented a battery loaded stick that would give a slapshot a few extra mph’s. Is Brett Favre allowed a battery operated “hand cozie” to keep his hands warm so he can get a better grip on the ball during December Green Bay games? Go all out and make a heated football that would be easier to hold and kick in late fall and early winter. What about battery loaded basketball shoes that would make the user jump an extra couple inches higher. How about battery loaded drivers so Tiger can turn 400 yard holes into par threes. Why not add the same technology to bobsleigh, luge and skeleton sleds? In some cases, I’m sure they are regulations against such things. Hockey should have them too.

    I know that those skate blades do not make a huge difference right know. But, I think that this could be a first step down a slippery slope. I think that technology should be used to harness the athlete’s natural energy and abilities not add to it. No outside power source should be used. (Well, other than motorsports of course.)

    Anyways, that enough of a rant for now.[/quote]

    Was I the only that thought of this when I read that post. LOL.

  • Morgan Doninger | December 13, 2007 at 1:03 pm |

    Paul-

    Regarding mushy food after oral surgery: When I had my wisdom teeth pulled I lived off of milk shakes. Not terribly healthy, but they taste great!

  • DenverGregg | December 13, 2007 at 1:17 pm |

    Not sports-related, but a rather different uni proposed for the U. S. Navy.

  • LI Phil | December 13, 2007 at 1:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”185869″][quote comment=”185868″][quote comment=”185865″]also…where did that list of names come from? Is that the actual list or are you just speculating?[/quote]

    i don’t know where the poster got it, but i got it emailed to me in the form of this story

    seems legit[/quote]

    The names are gone. All it says now is this:

    [quote]

    A high-ranking MLB official said there are several errors in the list provided to WNBC.com by two sources. Original sources are standing by the preliminary list provided to WNBC.com. Therefore, we working to clarify the list at this time.[/quote][/quote]

    well shit…maybe i should have block & copied it…suffice it to say the names were all the same as had been posted on here earlier…apparently, tho, MLB isn’t happy about the premature leaking and i guess there will be some different names at 2:00 eastern

  • ryan c #40 | December 13, 2007 at 1:38 pm |

    “Brady Anderson, Manny Alexander, Rick Ankiel, Jeff Bagwell, Bar ry Bonds, Aaron Boone, Rafaeil Bettancourt, Bret Boone, Milton Bradley, David Bell, Dante Bichette, Albert Belle, Paul Byrd, Wil Cordero, Ken Caminiti, Mike Cameron, Ramon Castro, Jose and Ozzie Canseco, Roger Clemens, Paxton Crawford, Wilson Delgado, Lenny Dykstra, Johnny Damon, Carl Everett, Kyle Farnsoworth, Ryan Fr anklin, Troy Glaus, Rich Garces, Jason Grimsley, Troy Glaus, Juan Gonzalez, Eric Gagne, Nomar Garciaparra, Jason Giambi, Jeremy Giambi, Jose Guillen, Jay Gibbons, Juan Gonzalez, Clay Hensley, Jerry Hairston, Felix Heredia, Jr., Darren Holmes, Wally Joyner, Darryl Kile, Matt Lawton, Raul Mondesi, Ma rk McGwire, Guillermo Mota, Robert Machado, Damian Moss, Abraham Nunez, Trot Nixon, Jose Offerman, Andy Pettitte, Mark Prior, Neifi Perez, Rafael Palmiero, Albert Pujols, Brian Roberts, Juan Rincon, John Rocker, Pudge Rodriguez, Sammy Sosa, Scott Schoenweiis, David Segui, Alex Sanchez, Gary Sheffield, Miguel Tejada, Julian Tavarez, Fernando Tatis, Maurice Vaughn, Jason Varitek, Ismael Valdez, Matt Williams and Kerry Wood.”

    NOT CANSECO AND SOSA!!! SAY IT AIN’T SO! LOL

    …no pirates… geez! do we have to suck at everything?!?! can’t we get one good name on that list?!?! lol. we can’t even do the right drugs!

  • CV | December 13, 2007 at 1:41 pm |

    “The Texans will be wearing solid red tonight, which promises to be a design debacle for the ages. …”

    Does that mean red jerseys AND red pants? If so, wow, that could enter Oregon ducks level of bad.

  • CV | December 13, 2007 at 1:43 pm |

    Nevermind, just went ot the actual Texans site. The bottom of my linked image above was cut off. I can see the red pants on the Texans main page. Good Lord that is going to be ugly.

    I do agree though, the jerseys by themselves are not horrible.

  • ryan c #40 | December 13, 2007 at 1:47 pm |

    gee… can’t wait for the steelers to display their red jerseys! *rolling eyes*

    …somebody say something about team identity the other day???

  • Brent | December 13, 2007 at 1:49 pm |

    Continuing on the ‘copycat’ uniform theme from the other day, it looks like Auburn might not be alone. It looks to me like Southwest Mississippi Community College is a pretty close knock off of Auburn’s arch-enemy!

  • Justin B | December 13, 2007 at 1:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”185902″]“Brady Anderson, Manny Alexander, Rick Ankiel, Jeff Bagwell, Bar ry Bonds, Aaron Boone, Rafaeil Bettancourt, Bret Boone, Milton Bradley, David Bell, Dante Bichette, Albert Belle, Paul Byrd, Wil Cordero, Ken Caminiti, Mike Cameron, Ramon Castro, Jose and Ozzie Canseco, Roger Clemens, Paxton Crawford, Wilson Delgado, Lenny Dykstra, Johnny Damon, Carl Everett, Kyle Farnsoworth, Ryan Fr anklin, Troy Glaus, Rich Garces, Jason Grimsley, Troy Glaus, Juan Gonzalez, Eric Gagne, Nomar Garciaparra, Jason Giambi, Jeremy Giambi, Jose Guillen, Jay Gibbons, Juan Gonzalez, Clay Hensley, Jerry Hairston, Felix Heredia, Jr., Darren Holmes, Wally Joyner, Darryl Kile, Matt Lawton, Raul Mondesi, Ma rk McGwire, Guillermo Mota, Robert Machado, Damian Moss, Abraham Nunez, Trot Nixon, Jose Offerman, Andy Pettitte, Mark Prior, Neifi Perez, Rafael Palmiero, Albert Pujols, Brian Roberts, Juan Rincon, John Rocker, Pudge Rodriguez, Sammy Sosa, Scott Schoenweiis, David Segui, Alex Sanchez, Gary Sheffield, Miguel Tejada, Julian Tavarez, Fernando Tatis, Maurice Vaughn, Jason Varitek, Ismael Valdez, Matt Williams and Kerry Wood.”

    NOT CANSECO AND SOSA!!! SAY IT AIN’T SO! LOL

    …no pirates… geez! do we have to suck at everything?!?! can’t we get one good name on that list?!?! lol. we can’t even do the right drugs![/quote]

    No Pirates? Come on Ryan C…

    Barry Bonds
    Abraham Nunez
    Matt Lawton
    Julian Tavarez
    Raul Mondesi

  • Mike | December 13, 2007 at 1:52 pm |

    Brady Anderson, Manny Alexander, Rick Ankiel, Jeff Bagwell, Bar ry Bonds, Aaron Boone, Rafaeil Bettancourt, Bret Boone, Milton Bradley, David Bell, Dante Bichette, Albert Belle, Paul Byrd, Wil Cordero, Ken Caminiti, Mike Cameron, Ramon Castro, Jose and Ozzie Canseco, Roger Clemens, Paxton Crawford, Wilson Delgado, Lenny Dykstra, Johnny Damon, Carl Everett, Kyle Farnsoworth, Ryan Fr anklin, Troy Glaus, Rich Garces, Jason Grimsley, Troy Glaus, Juan Gonzalez, Eric Gagne, Nomar Garciaparra, Jason Giambi, Jeremy Giambi, Jose Guillen, Jay Gibbons, Juan Gonzalez, Clay Hensley, Jerry Hairston, Felix Heredia, Jr., Darren Holmes, Wally Joyner, Darryl Kile, Matt Lawton, Raul Mondesi, Ma rk McGwire, Guillermo Mota, Robert Machado, Damian Moss, Abraham Nunez, Trot Nixon, Jose Offerman, Andy Pettitte, Mark Prior, Neifi Perez, Rafael Palmiero, Albert Pujols, Brian Roberts, Juan Rincon, John Rocker, Pudge Rodriguez, Sammy Sosa, Scott Schoenweiis, David Segui, Alex Sanchez, Gary Sheffield, Miguel Tejada, Julian Tavarez, Fernando Tatis, Maurice Vaughn, Jason Varitek, Ismael Valdez, Matt Williams and Kerry Wood.”

    Both names on the list

  • Card fan in the 'Ville | December 13, 2007 at 1:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”185902″]“Brady Anderson, Manny Alexander, Rick Ankiel, Jeff Bagwell, Bar ry Bonds, Aaron Boone, Rafaeil Bettancourt, Bret Boone, Milton Bradley, David Bell, Dante Bichette, Albert Belle, Paul Byrd, Wil Cordero, Ken Caminiti, Mike Cameron, Ramon Castro, Jose and Ozzie Canseco, Roger Clemens, Paxton Crawford, Wilson Delgado, Lenny Dykstra, Johnny Damon, Carl Everett, Kyle Farnsoworth, Ryan Fr anklin, Troy Glaus, Rich Garces, Jason Grimsley, Troy Glaus, Juan Gonzalez, Eric Gagne, Nomar Garciaparra, Jason Giambi, Jeremy Giambi, Jose Guillen, Jay Gibbons, Juan Gonzalez, Clay Hensley, Jerry Hairston, Felix Heredia, Jr., Darren Holmes, Wally Joyner, Darryl Kile, Matt Lawton, Raul Mondesi, Ma rk McGwire, Guillermo Mota, Robert Machado, Damian Moss, Abraham Nunez, Trot Nixon, Jose Offerman, Andy Pettitte, Mark Prior, Neifi Perez, Rafael Palmiero, Albert Pujols, Brian Roberts, Juan Rincon, John Rocker, Pudge Rodriguez, Sammy Sosa, Scott Schoenweiis, David Segui, Alex Sanchez, Gary Sheffield, Miguel Tejada, Julian Tavarez, Fernando Tatis, Maurice Vaughn, Jason Varitek, Ismael Valdez, Matt Williams and Kerry Wood.”

    NOT CANSECO AND SOSA!!! SAY IT AIN’T SO! LOL

    …no pirates… geez! do we have to suck at everything?!?! can’t we get one good name on that list?!?! lol. we can’t even do the right drugs![/quote]

    Not a Pirate fan but that was funny….

  • Mets Fan AZ | December 13, 2007 at 1:56 pm |

    Both names on the list[/quote]
    pretty sure ryan was writing in mock horror…

  • Carl G | December 13, 2007 at 1:59 pm |

    So here is my research/theory on the whole 1980 Expos Wallach/Fuentes Jersey issue

    On January 30, 1978, the expos purchased Tito Fuentes from the tigers. Fuentes had always worn the number 23, even legally changing his middle name to “23” so that he could distinguish himself from two of his sons, from different relationships, who he also named tito (ala George Foreman) and his grandson, also named Tito.

    http://www.sfgate.co...

    However, in 1978, the number 23 was already being worn by the manager of the expos (and recent hall of fame inductee) Dick Williams. As Fuentes was at the end of his career (he would play only 13 games for the A’s in 1978 before retiring), it seems unlikely that Williams would have given him the number 23. Thus it seems likely the expos gave him a number like 58. However, since he was a veteran, it also seems plausible they would still give him a jersey with his name on the back.

    Fuentes, however, never played a game with the expos, as they released him on March 22, 1978. It thus appears likely that the expos took the Fuentes uniform and used it in some other capacity, either in the minors, or for later year call-ups (and thus it could have been worn by Wallach in 1980)

    A few additional facts that inform this theory. based on the dressed to the nines site, it appears that the expos wore the same jerseys in 1978 as 1980. I guess a question for you Paul, is whether either (1) the tagging also matches the expos 1978 jerseys, except obviously that it says 1980 (2) whether, if previous years jerseys were used, the tagging would be changed to the current year if used by the major league team in that year, or (3) whether the tagging could have been switched to turn what would be a common inexpensive spring training used uniform of Fuentes into a much more valuble rookie game used jersey from Wallach.

    It should also be noted that the expos have apparently given the number 58 to other players who subsequently used different jerseys once they were established with the team such as Jose Morales and Tony Armas, Jr.

    It seems unlikely the jersey was Mike Fuentes. He was not even drafted by the expos until June 8, 1981. He played with the expos only 2 seasons and wore 25 in 1983 and 15 in 1984. Since the item was tagged 1980 with the fuentes name already in it, it seems unlikely it was a different jersey in 1980, was given to Fuentes to use in the minors, and then subsequently his name was covered up by the expos to give to someone else.

    Let me know what the rest of you guys think

  • Mike | December 13, 2007 at 1:59 pm |

    sorry misread the comment

  • Kek | December 13, 2007 at 2:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”185915″][quote comment=”185902″]
    …no pirates… geez! do we have to suck at everything?!?! can’t we get one good name on that list?!?! lol. we can’t even do the right drugs![/quote]

    No Pirates? Come on Ryan C…

    Barry Bonds
    Abraham Nunez
    Matt Lawton
    Julian Tavarez
    Raul Mondesi[/quote]
    I think his point was no current Pirates. Lawton and Mondesi were rent-a-player has-beens.
    Plus everyone knows Bonds transformation began after he left for the bay area. (It’s BALCO not PALCO!!!!)

    Truthfully, as a Pirate fan I’m glad no current guys are on the list. That would piss me off more because they would be juiced and the team would STILL suck!

  • u2horn | December 13, 2007 at 2:11 pm |

    Sammy Sosa and Pudge Rodriguez are not in the report.

    http://files.mlb.com...

  • Matt Powers | December 13, 2007 at 2:16 pm |

    As
    for the Auburn knock-offs. It looks like their opponents in two of the pictures are wearing knock-offs as well: The Redskins in the last pic and the Saints all-black in the middle row!

  • ryan c #40 | December 13, 2007 at 2:18 pm |

    yes mock humor! big time!!!

    and yes, no current pirates.

    i just wish we could cheat, or afford (or care) to buy a championship team… and by “championship” i mean make .500… cause afterall, that IS what management aims for every season!

    by the way… uni-related… rumors of jason bay might be on his way to s.d.! as in, jason bay will be wearing a new uni next season. haha. so he’ll have a whole new field to jog up and shag short, catchable, fly balls on one bounce now!

  • LI Phil | December 13, 2007 at 2:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”185926″]Sammy Sosa and Pudge Rodriguez are not in the report.

    http://files.mlb.com...

    italics off?

    say it ain’t sosa

  • Mets/Jets Fan in Chicagoland | December 13, 2007 at 2:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”185902″]“Brady Anderson, Manny Alexander, Rick Ankiel, Jeff Bagwell, Bar ry Bonds, Aaron Boone, Rafaeil Bettancourt, Bret Boone, Milton Bradley, David Bell, Dante Bichette, Albert Belle, Paul Byrd, Wil Cordero, Ken Caminiti, Mike Cameron, Ramon Castro, Jose and Ozzie Canseco, Roger Clemens, Paxton Crawford, Wilson Delgado, Lenny Dykstra, Johnny Damon, Carl Everett, Kyle Farnsoworth, Ryan Fr anklin, Troy Glaus, Rich Garces, Jason Grimsley, Troy Glaus, Juan Gonzalez, Eric Gagne, Nomar Garciaparra, Jason Giambi, Jeremy Giambi, Jose Guillen, Jay Gibbons, Juan Gonzalez, Clay Hensley, Jerry Hairston, Felix Heredia, Jr., Darren Holmes, Wally Joyner, Darryl Kile, Matt Lawton, Raul Mondesi, Ma rk McGwire, Guillermo Mota, Robert Machado, Damian Moss, Abraham Nunez, Trot Nixon, Jose Offerman, Andy Pettitte, Mark Prior, Neifi Perez, Rafael Palmiero, Albert Pujols, Brian Roberts, Juan Rincon, John Rocker, Pudge Rodriguez, Sammy Sosa, Scott Schoenweiis, David Segui, Alex Sanchez, Gary Sheffield, Miguel Tejada, Julian Tavarez, Fernando Tatis, Maurice Vaughn, Jason Varitek, Ismael Valdez, Matt Williams and Kerry Wood.”

    NOT CANSECO AND SOSA!!! SAY IT AIN’T SO! LOL

    …no pirates… geez! do we have to suck at everything?!?! can’t we get one good name on that list?!?! lol. we can’t even do the right drugs![/quote]

    Let’s hope that these guys get sent up the river for a long, long time – especially that Caminiti guy.

    Oh, wait…….

    ;-)

  • Kek | December 13, 2007 at 2:28 pm |

  • LI Phil | December 13, 2007 at 2:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”185932″]
    Let’s hope that these guys get sent up the river for a long, long time – especially that Caminiti guy.

    Oh, wait…….

    ;-)[/quote]

    darryl kile too

  • Kek | December 13, 2007 at 2:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”185932″][quote comment=”185902″]“Brady Anderson, Manny Alexander, Rick Ankiel, Jeff Bagwell, Bar ry Bonds, Aaron Boone, Rafaeil Bettancourt, Bret Boone, Milton Bradley, David Bell, Dante Bichette, Albert Belle, Paul Byrd, Wil Cordero, Ken Caminiti, Mike Cameron, Ramon Castro, Jose and Ozzie Canseco, Roger Clemens, Paxton Crawford, Wilson Delgado, Lenny Dykstra, Johnny Damon, Carl Everett, Kyle Farnsoworth, Ryan Fr anklin, Troy Glaus, Rich Garces, Jason Grimsley, Troy Glaus, Juan Gonzalez, Eric Gagne, Nomar Garciaparra, Jason Giambi, Jeremy Giambi, Jose Guillen, Jay Gibbons, Juan Gonzalez, Clay Hensley, Jerry Hairston, Felix Heredia, Jr., Darren Holmes, Wally Joyner, Darryl Kile, Matt Lawton, Raul Mondesi, Ma rk McGwire, Guillermo Mota, Robert Machado, Damian Moss, Abraham Nunez, Trot Nixon, Jose Offerman, Andy Pettitte, Mark Prior, Neifi Perez, Rafael Palmiero, Albert Pujols, Brian Roberts, Juan Rincon, John Rocker, Pudge Rodriguez, Sammy Sosa, Scott Schoenweiis, David Segui, Alex Sanchez, Gary Sheffield, Miguel Tejada, Julian Tavarez, Fernando Tatis, Maurice Vaughn, Jason Varitek, Ismael Valdez, Matt Williams and Kerry Wood.”

    NOT CANSECO AND SOSA!!! SAY IT AIN’T SO! LOL

    …no pirates… geez! do we have to suck at everything?!?! can’t we get one good name on that list?!?! lol. we can’t even do the right drugs![/quote]

    Let’s hope that these guys get sent up the river for a long, long time – especially that Caminiti guy.

    Oh, wait…….

    ;-)[/quote]
    Wow, I can only imagine if Bryan would make that kind of comment on a weekend post. They’re would be hell to pay and a million “have you no respect for the dead” posts!!!!

  • Kek | December 13, 2007 at 2:34 pm |

    that should have read “There would be hell to pay” Sorry…

  • Jeffrey | December 13, 2007 at 2:34 pm |

    quasi-uni-related: is it too much for the hotel or whatever is hosting this news conference to iron its damn curtains?

  • JT | December 13, 2007 at 2:34 pm |

    Is Sage Rosenfels starting as the Texans’ QB tonight? If so, it might take him back to his college days at Iowa State, when I’m pretty sure they wore solid red more than once.

  • LI Phil | December 13, 2007 at 2:36 pm |

    dammit kek, you turned the italics back on

    should be off now

  • Mets/Jets Fan in Chicagoland | December 13, 2007 at 2:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”185934″][quote comment=”185932″]
    Let’s hope that these guys get sent up the river for a long, long time – especially that Caminiti guy.

    Oh, wait…….

    ;-)[/quote]

    darryl kile too[/quote]

    – RIMSHOT –

  • Chance | December 13, 2007 at 2:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”185928″]and yes, no current pirates.
    [/quote]

    But a current Brewer, although one they just acquired….

  • Mets/Jets Fan in Chicagoland | December 13, 2007 at 2:45 pm |

    Mitchell report in PDF format (huge file) –
    go to page 290 for the names to start rolling

  • JT | December 13, 2007 at 2:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”185940″]Is Sage Rosenfels starting as the Texans’ QB tonight? If so, it might take him back to his college days at Iowa State, when I’m pretty sure they wore solid red more than once.[/quote]

    See, for example this picture of Rosenfels at the 2000 Insight Bowl.

  • Kerry P | December 13, 2007 at 2:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”185867″]The Collegiate Licensing Gestapo has targeted another high school for copyright image infringement. In this case it is not the Wisconsin “W”, but the Washington State Cougars, who have now decided that the Abilene, TX Cooper HS Cougar is causing confusion. Let’s see … a university in the Pacific Northwest, and a high school in Texas … yeah, I can see where there would be a LOT of confusion over that *sarcasm html button ended*. In defense of Cooper, I always thought their “Coog” was a blatant ripoff, but at least “imitation is the sincerest form of flattery!”

    http://www.reportern...
    OK, I understand the arguement for a school protecting its logo. But why can’t these schools follow the lead of Kansas State and “license” the use of their logo to high schools for a minimal amount – I think Kansas State does it for $1/year.

    If Washington State is looking hard right now, I would think that my HS’s archrival and recently crowned Louisiana 5-A State Champion, Destrehan High School – also the HS alma mater of Baltimore Raven Ed Reed, may be in for some legal battles down the road for their USE OF THE LOGO as well.

  • Mets Fan AZ | December 13, 2007 at 3:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”185948″][quote comment=”185940″]Is Sage Rosenfels starting as the Texans’ QB tonight? If so, it might take him back to his college days at Iowa State, when I’m pretty sure they wore solid red more than once.[/quote]

    See, for example this picture of Rosenfels at the 2000 Insight Bowl.[/quote]
    That bowl game was played at “The BOB” Bank One Ballpark, now Chase Field in Phoenix, home of the Diamondbacks. The field also hosted an ASU women’s basketball game that was uni-notable because it rained in Phoenix during the game and they didn’t close the roof (there’s a whole ‘nother topic) and the women were wearing long sleeves and maybe even a sweatshirt. So I brought it back around to uni’s but I was wondering what other venues have hosted b’ball, football and baseball. I know some of the domes have been the site of Final Fours but have they had some baseball in there too?

  • Johnny O | December 13, 2007 at 3:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”185945″][quote comment=”185928″]and yes, no current pirates.
    [/quote]

    But a current Brewer, although one they just acquired….[/quote]
    At least my Brewers have been losing these past 25 years legally.

  • Kerry P | December 13, 2007 at 3:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”185950″][quote comment=”185948″][quote comment=”185940″]Is Sage Rosenfels starting as the Texans’ QB tonight? If so, it might take him back to his college days at Iowa State, when I’m pretty sure they wore solid red more than once.[/quote]

    See, for example this picture of Rosenfels at the 2000 Insight Bowl.[/quote]
    That bowl game was played at “The BOB” Bank One Ballpark, now Chase Field in Phoenix, home of the Diamondbacks. The field also hosted an ASU women’s basketball game that was uni-notable because it rained in Phoenix during the game and they didn’t close the roof (there’s a whole ‘nother topic) and the women were wearing long sleeves and maybe even a sweatshirt. So I brought it back around to uni’s but I was wondering what other venues have hosted b’ball, football and baseball. I know some of the domes have been the site of Final Fours but have they had some baseball in there too?[/quote]
    The Louisiana Superdome is home to the NFL’s Saints & the Tulane University Green Wave & has hosted several Superbowls. It was also home to the New Orleans Jazz prior to their move to Utah and has also hoted numerous Final Fours. The stadium was also home to the New Orleans Night, an Arena Football Team for 2 years in the late 80s-early 90s. The New Orleans Pelicans, a minor league baseball team brought to the city in the 1970s and named for a popular team that called New Orleans home from the late 1800s through the 1960s called the Superdome home for one year before leaving New Orleans. Also, the Dome has hosted several pre-season MLB games as well as numerous NCAA baseball games…one of which set a record for the highest attendence for an NCAA baseball game at the time.

    The Dome has also hosted the Rolling Stones, Pope John Paul II, political conventions, concerts, Monster Truck rallies, trade shows and the Krewe of Endymion Mardi Gras parade and ball YEARLY.

    It’s a pretty versatile building. The only major team sport that it hasn’t hosted (as far as I know) is hockey.

  • JT | December 13, 2007 at 3:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”185950″]That bowl game was played at “The BOB” Bank One Ballpark, now Chase Field in Phoenix, home of the Diamondbacks. The field also hosted an ASU women’s basketball game that was uni-notable because it rained in Phoenix during the game and they didn’t close the roof (there’s a whole ‘nother topic) and the women were wearing long sleeves and maybe even a sweatshirt. So I brought it back around to uni’s but I was wondering what other venues have hosted b’ball, football and baseball. I know some of the domes have been the site of Final Fours but have they had some baseball in there too?[/quote]

    I’m almost positive that they’ve had basketball, baseball, football, as well as other sports, at the Houston Astrodome. According to it’s wikipedia page, it’s also hosted soccer, tennis, and cricket, among other things.

    As for the BOB and the 2000 Insight bowl, I remember them saying during the broadcast that it was the first football game played there. I found that rather weird, since I had been in Phoenix in December 1999 visiting relatives. They took us to the restaurant in the stadium (there was no event happening at the time) and we sat overlooking the playing surface which had a football field laid out on it.

  • Kevin M. | December 13, 2007 at 3:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”185954″][quote comment=”185950″]That bowl game was played at “The BOB” Bank One Ballpark, now Chase Field in Phoenix, home of the Diamondbacks. The field also hosted an ASU women’s basketball game that was uni-notable because it rained in Phoenix during the game and they didn’t close the roof (there’s a whole ‘nother topic) and the women were wearing long sleeves and maybe even a sweatshirt. So I brought it back around to uni’s but I was wondering what other venues have hosted b’ball, football and baseball. I know some of the domes have been the site of Final Fours but have they had some baseball in there too?[/quote]

    I’m almost positive that they’ve had basketball, baseball, football, as well as other sports, at the Houston Astrodome. According to it’s wikipedia page, it’s also hosted soccer, tennis, and cricket, among other things.

    As for the BOB and the 2000 Insight bowl, I remember them saying during the broadcast that it was the first football game played there. I found that rather weird, since I had been in Phoenix in December 1999 visiting relatives. They took us to the restaurant in the stadium (there was no event happening at the time) and we sat overlooking the playing surface which had a football field laid out on it.[/quote]

    Tropican Field hots the Rays (still pissed about the move away from the wonderful green), the Tampa Bay Strom (AFL), the Tampa Bay Lightning (NHL) and Final Four.

  • Robb | December 13, 2007 at 3:20 pm |

    I have no problem with the Texans going red-on-red for one game, as long as they’re not wearing red socks too. I like alternates and throwbacks once in a while, just nothing wildly bad. I would like to see some teams use more of their accent colors like if the Falcons would try black-on-silver in their new pattern.

  • CV | December 13, 2007 at 3:33 pm |

    So for future SF Giants throwback games will their home unis be cream and clear colored???

  • Mike | December 13, 2007 at 3:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”185955″][quote comment=”185954″][quote comment=”185950″]That bowl game was played at “The BOB” Bank One Ballpark, now Chase Field in Phoenix, home of the Diamondbacks. The field also hosted an ASU women’s basketball game that was uni-notable because it rained in Phoenix during the game and they didn’t close the roof (there’s a whole ‘nother topic) and the women were wearing long sleeves and maybe even a sweatshirt. So I brought it back around to uni’s but I was wondering what other venues have hosted b’ball, football and baseball. I know some of the domes have been the site of Final Fours but have they had some baseball in there too?[/quote]

    I’m almost positive that they’ve had basketball, baseball, football, as well as other sports, at the Houston Astrodome. According to it’s wikipedia page, it’s also hosted soccer, tennis, and cricket, among other things.

    As for the BOB and the 2000 Insight bowl, I remember them saying during the broadcast that it was the first football game played there. I found that rather weird, since I had been in Phoenix in December 1999 visiting relatives. They took us to the restaurant in the stadium (there was no event happening at the time) and we sat overlooking the playing surface which had a football field laid out on it.[/quote]

    Tropican Field hots the Rays (still pissed about the move away from the wonderful green), the Tampa Bay Strom (AFL), the Tampa Bay Lightning (NHL) and Final Four.[/quote]
    The Kingdome in Seattle hosted tons of events, obviously the Seahawks and Mariners but was also the home for the Supersonics for awhile. The NBA all-star game was played there once too.

  • PFerri | December 13, 2007 at 3:48 pm |

    According to this article, the Cubs will wear 1948 throwbacks for a game this season, marking the first time they have ever worn throwbacks in Wrigley Field.

    Blunk said the Cubs will hold their first retro game in the coming season. Players will wear replica 1948 uniforms as part of the 60th anniversary of WGN-TV.

    “We’ve never done one at Wrigley,” he said. “It seems like a perfect fit. Every day is turn back the clock day at Wrigley.”

  • Perry | December 13, 2007 at 3:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”185947″]Mitchell report in PDF format (huge file) –
    go to page 290 for the names to start rolling[/quote]

    Yeah, and contrary to the “slightly inside” information posted here by Shaftman earlier, Albert Pujols is NOT NOT NOT in the report. Nor is Jeff Bagwell, AFAIK. But Clemens is.

  • Seth H | December 13, 2007 at 3:56 pm |

    That bowl game was played at “The BOB” Bank One Ballpark, now Chase Field in Phoenix, home of the Diamondbacks. The field also hosted an ASU women’s basketball game that was uni-notable because it rained in Phoenix during the game and they didn’t close the roof (there’s a whole ‘nother topic) and the women were wearing long sleeves and maybe even a sweatshirt. So I brought it back around to uni’s but I was wondering what other venues have hosted b’ball, football and baseball. I know some of the domes have been the site of Final Fours but have they had some baseball in there too?

    I’m almost positive that they’ve had basketball, baseball, football, as well as other sports, at the Houston Astrodome. According to it’s wikipedia page, it’s also hosted soccer, tennis, and cricket, among other things.

    As for the BOB and the 2000 Insight bowl, I remember them saying during the broadcast that it was the first football game played there. I found that rather weird, since I had been in Phoenix in December 1999 visiting relatives. They took us to the restaurant in the stadium (there was no event happening at the time) and we sat overlooking the playing surface which had a football field laid out on it.

    Tropican Field hots the Rays (still pissed about the move away from the wonderful green), the Tampa Bay Strom (AFL), the Tampa Bay Lightning (NHL) and Final Four.

    The Kingdome in Seattle hosted tons of events, obviously the Seahawks and Mariners but was also the home for the Supersonics for awhile. The NBA all-star game was played there once too.

    Chicago Stadium was home to the Blackhawks, the Bulls and the 1932 NFL Championship game.

  • Shaftman | December 13, 2007 at 4:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”185962″][quote comment=”185947″]Mitchell report in PDF format (huge file) –
    go to page 290 for the names to start rolling[/quote]

    Yeah, and contrary to the “slightly inside” information posted here by Shaftman earlier, Albert Pujols is NOT NOT NOT in the report. Nor is Jeff Bagwell, AFAIK. But Clemens is.[/quote]

    Yup…the list was not completely accurate. I was just relaying info that I had received.

    The names that surprised me on the MASTER list were: Paul LoDuca and Kevin Brown. Anyone else surprised by certain people or was it what you expected.

  • Shaftman | December 13, 2007 at 4:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”185972″][quote comment=”185962″][quote comment=”185947″]Mitchell report in PDF format (huge file) –
    go to page 290 for the names to start rolling[/quote]

    Yeah, and contrary to the “slightly inside” information posted here by Shaftman earlier, Albert Pujols is NOT NOT NOT in the report. Nor is Jeff Bagwell, AFAIK. But Clemens is.[/quote]

    Yup…the list was not completely accurate. I was just relaying info that I had received.

    The names that surprised me on the MASTER list were: Paul LoDuca and Kevin Brown. Anyone else surprised by certain people or was it what you expected.[/quote]

    Quoting myself….

    I know we all know this but it bears repeating. Just because a player is not named in this report does not mean that he is not or has not used performance enhancing drugs.

    So, for all we know Pujols or Bagwell COULD be as guilty as anyone else.

  • Syler Thomas | December 13, 2007 at 4:19 pm |

    Does anyone happen to know what’s the easiest way to buy authentic numbers to a jersey that doesn’t have them? I can’t find an “authentic” dealer that will sell me just numbers.

  • Jay | December 13, 2007 at 4:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”185973″]

    Quoting myself….

    I know we all know this but it bears repeating. Just because a player is not named in this report does not mean that he is not or has not used performance enhancing drugs.

    So, for all we know Pujols or Bagwell COULD be as guilty as anyone else.[/quote]

    It means they were smart enough not to get entangled with the feds, but I don’t want to paint with that broad of a brush.

    In my (albeit brief) reading of the allegations against those named, all of them stem from a federal investigation of some sort. This report is basically Game of Shadows with information from a couple of otehr federal investigations. I didn’t see any Mitchell Commission revalations. Hardly worth the wait IMO.

  • Chance | December 13, 2007 at 4:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”185974″]Does anyone happen to know what’s the easiest way to buy authentic numbers to a jersey that doesn’t have them? I can’t find an “authentic” dealer that will sell me just numbers.[/quote]

    I don’t think many will – they’re not allowed to under their license, to cut down on bootleggers.

    Why? What exactly do you want to do with them? If it’s make your own jersey with a blank you already own, there are places that can help you.

  • Tony B | December 13, 2007 at 4:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”185924″][quote comment=”185915″][quote comment=”185902″]
    …no pirates… geez! do we have to suck at everything?!?! can’t we get one good name on that list?!?! lol. we can’t even do the right drugs![/quote]

    No Pirates? Come on Ryan C…

    Barry Bonds
    Abraham Nunez
    Matt Lawton
    Julian Tavarez
    Raul Mondesi[/quote]
    I think his point was no current Pirates. Lawton and Mondesi were rent-a-player has-beens.
    Plus everyone knows Bonds transformation began after he left for the bay area. (It’s BALCO not PALCO!!!!)

    Truthfully, as a Pirate fan I’m glad no current guys are on the list. That would piss me off more because they would be juiced and the team would STILL suck! [/quote]
    The Bucs “did the right drugs” in the mid 80’s.
    Parker, Hendricks, Berra, Scurry. They we in the “forefront”.

  • Chance | December 13, 2007 at 4:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”185976″]In my (albeit brief) reading of the allegations against those named, all of them stem from a federal investigation of some sort. This report is basically Game of Shadows with information from a couple of otehr federal investigations. I didn’t see any Mitchell Commission revalations. Hardly worth the wait IMO.[/quote]

    Well, let’s all read it through before we rush to judgments.

  • Tony B | December 13, 2007 at 4:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”185974″]Does anyone happen to know what’s the easiest way to buy authentic numbers to a jersey that doesn’t have them? I can’t find an “authentic” dealer that will sell me just numbers.[/quote]
    I can give you one for soccer.

  • Perry | December 13, 2007 at 4:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”185976″][quote comment=”185973″]

    Quoting myself….

    I know we all know this but it bears repeating. Just because a player is not named in this report does not mean that he is not or has not used performance enhancing drugs.

    So, for all we know Pujols or Bagwell COULD be as guilty as anyone else.[/quote]

    It means they were smart enough not to get entangled with the feds, but I don’t want to paint with that broad of a brush.

    In my (albeit brief) reading of the allegations against those named, all of them stem from a federal investigation of some sort. This report is basically Game of Shadows with information from a couple of otehr federal investigations. I didn’t see any Mitchell Commission revalations. Hardly worth the wait IMO.[/quote]

    Well, they do have testimony from a former Blue Jays/Yankees trainer who testified that he PERSONALLY injected Roger Clemens with steroids and HGH multiple times over several seasons. And a long list of names (and cancelled checks) from a former Mets trainer who was a middle-man. I don’t think these came from earlier investigations. AFAIK this is the first hard evidence on Clemens.

  • Mike | December 13, 2007 at 5:05 pm |

    Clemans doesn’t surprise me at all…I mean he is literally the pitching version of Bonds…hits his best years at the tail end of his career, does way better then he should, and puts on like 30 pounds. It was just too obvious.

    I guess Pettite surprises me a little cause I always imagined him as such a stand up guy (for a Yankee). Otherwise I was pretty disappointed with the report. Sure there were a lot of names…but we only care about like 10 of them.

  • DenverGregg | December 13, 2007 at 5:07 pm |

    So do any of our design-talented members have a suggestion for an asterisk patch for guys mentioned in the report to add to their jerseys next year?

  • Mike Engle | December 13, 2007 at 5:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”185987″]So do any of our design-talented members have a suggestion for an asterisk patch for guys mentioned in the report to add to their jerseys next year?[/quote]
    I, for one, think an asterisk cap pin would be more than appropriate.
    I also am getting a bit tired* of seeing the word “asterisk.” I propose a funnier synonym. How about “uppercase-8”?
    *Not really, but I just felt like making a joke here.

  • kings33 | December 13, 2007 at 5:13 pm |

    On the mitchell report, and athletic aesthetics…

    Why do so many of these guys have really boring checks? I only saw two designs, and Glenallen Hill had a nice monogram.

    C’mon guys, kick in a few bucks and get some nicer checks!

  • Mike Engle | December 13, 2007 at 5:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”185990″]On the mitchell report, and athletic aesthetics…

    Why do so many of these guys have really boring checks? I only saw two designs, and Glenallen Hill had a nice monogram.

    C’mon guys, kick in a few bucks and get some nicer checks![/quote]
    Because rich people don’t write checks. Straight cash, homey.

  • Jay | December 13, 2007 at 5:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”185982″]
    Well, they do have testimony from a former Blue Jays/Yankees trainer who testified that he PERSONALLY injected Roger Clemens with steroids and HGH multiple times over several seasons. And a long list of names (and cancelled checks) from a former Mets trainer who was a middle-man. I don’t think these came from earlier investigations. AFAIK this is the first hard evidence on Clemens.[/quote]

    It’s all tied back to the federal investigations, though. I remember hearing of the possibility of Clemens, Pettite and Stanton back when Grimsley got popped (by the feds). Also, Grimsely talked to the feds, not to MLB about other players. Where’s MLB get those names?

    All the checks came becuase the feds forced Radomski to cooperate with MLB as part of his plea. Heck, the feds likely turned them over to MLB.

    To me, the Mitchell Report appears to be an effort to comprehensively aggregate and articlulate the federal investigations.

    To make this uni-related, the new Navy unis are top notch.

  • Mets/Jets Fan in Chicagoland | December 13, 2007 at 5:27 pm |

    Breaking news on the uniform front

  • Mets/Jets Fan in Chicagoland | December 13, 2007 at 5:29 pm |

    …and here, for all you folks with off-shore bank accounts

  • My Name is Not Earl | December 13, 2007 at 5:29 pm |

    The Louisiana Superdome comes close. It hosts the Saints, hosted the Jazz from 1975-78 (prior to that, Jazz split their home games between the Municipal Auditorium and Loyola Field House), has hosted several final fours, and hosted the New Orleans Pelicans AAA baseball team in 1976.

  • My Name is Not Earl | December 13, 2007 at 5:30 pm |

    Well, shoot. Shows you what I get for not paying attention. Sorry for the duplication.

  • My Name is Not Earl | December 13, 2007 at 5:35 pm |

    Rogers Centre (a/k/a Skydome) has hosted the Argos, the Blue Jays, and the Raptors. Don’t think they’ve ever held a hockey game there, though (Surprising, considering the trend of hosting outdoor hockey games).

  • JoeS | December 13, 2007 at 5:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”185996″]Breaking news on the uniform front[/quote]
    Wouldn’t it have been sweet if instead of a runway at the airport for the NWA uniform unveiling, if they had to slide down the luggage carousel and rotate around on display?! How awesome would that have been?!

  • Oxy | December 13, 2007 at 5:58 pm |

    The Rogers Centre/Skydome is the home stadium for the Blue Jays, CFL’s Toronto Argonauts and a large number of Toronto Raptors games prior to the construction of the Air Canada Centre.

  • big DK | December 13, 2007 at 6:00 pm |

    The MLBPA logo is rockin some sweet stirrups behind Don Fehr.

  • Devin Smith | December 13, 2007 at 6:09 pm |

    Regarding hosting multiple sports, the Skydome (now Rogers Centre) in Toronto is another example. It’s the current home of the Argonauts (CFL) and Blue Jays (MLB), and was the temporary home of the Raptors until the ACC was built and they came under the control of the Leafs.
    Starting next year it’ll be hosting Bills games, too.

  • Daren L | December 13, 2007 at 6:10 pm |

    The Swing of the Quad City have officially reverted to their previous name, the Quad City River Bandits.

  • Paul Lukas | December 13, 2007 at 6:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”185982″][quote comment=”185976″][quote comment=”185973″]

    Quoting myself….

    I know we all know this but it bears repeating. Just because a player is not named in this report does not mean that he is not or has not used performance enhancing drugs.

    So, for all we know Pujols or Bagwell COULD be as guilty as anyone else.[/quote]

    It means they were smart enough not to get entangled with the feds, but I don’t want to paint with that broad of a brush.

    In my (albeit brief) reading of the allegations against those named, all of them stem from a federal investigation of some sort. This report is basically Game of Shadows with information from a couple of otehr federal investigations. I didn’t see any Mitchell Commission revalations. Hardly worth the wait IMO.[/quote]

    Well, they do have testimony from a former Blue Jays/Yankees trainer who testified that he PERSONALLY injected Roger Clemens with steroids and HGH multiple times over several seasons. And a long list of names (and cancelled checks) from a former Mets trainer who was a middle-man. I don’t think these came from earlier investigations. AFAIK this is the first hard evidence on Clemens.[/quote]

    That’s not “hard evidence”; that’s hearsay.

    I’m not saying Clemens didn’t shoot up. I’m just saying that one man’s allegations, in the absence of credit card receipts, canceled checks, etc., do not constitute “hard evidence.” The paper trail seems much weaker for Clemens than for many other players named in the report.

  • Marty Met | December 13, 2007 at 6:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”186022″][quote comment=”185982″][quote comment=”185976″][quote comment=”185973″]

    Quoting myself….

    I know we all know this but it bears repeating. Just because a player is not named in this report does not mean that he is not or has not used performance enhancing drugs.

    So, for all we know Pujols or Bagwell COULD be as guilty as anyone else.[/quote]

    It means they were smart enough not to get entangled with the feds, but I don’t want to paint with that broad of a brush.

    In my (albeit brief) reading of the allegations against those named, all of them stem from a federal investigation of some sort. This report is basically Game of Shadows with information from a couple of otehr federal investigations. I didn’t see any Mitchell Commission revalations. Hardly worth the wait IMO.[/quote]

    Well, they do have testimony from a former Blue Jays/Yankees trainer who testified that he PERSONALLY injected Roger Clemens with steroids and HGH multiple times over several seasons. And a long list of names (and cancelled checks) from a former Mets trainer who was a middle-man. I don’t think these came from earlier investigations. AFAIK this is the first hard evidence on Clemens.[/quote]

    That’s not “hard evidence”; that’s hearsay.

    I’m not saying Clemens didn’t shoot up. I’m just saying that one man’s allegations, in the absence of credit card receipts, canceled checks, etc., do not constitute “hard evidence.” The paper trail seems much weaker for Clemens than for many other players named in the report.[/quote]

    It’s not hearsay, it’s an eyewitness. Hearsay would be if the trainer told you he injected Clemens and you told Mitchell.

  • Pantherfid | December 13, 2007 at 7:06 pm |

    Has anyone seen the Texans warming up on the NFL Network yet? They look like a team of overgrown Santa’s Helpers! It’s as if the North Pole as fielded a team. If you do not have the NFL Network, be glad…this game is unwatchable!

  • David | December 13, 2007 at 7:09 pm |

    i’ve been watching the pre-game on the nfl network and spotted a long-snapper in an all-red uniform. should be interesting!

  • andrewLA | December 13, 2007 at 7:15 pm |

    LA Times story today on the steroid use had a clemens picture, sporting his Tampa Yankees hat.

    http://www.latimes.c...

  • Doug | December 13, 2007 at 7:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”186009″]The Rogers Centre/Skydome is the home stadium for the Blue Jays, CFL’s Toronto Argonauts and a large number of Toronto Raptors games prior to the construction of the Air Canada Centre.[/quote]

    How did you guys miss the Metrodome? It’s the only stadium that has hosted the MLB All Star Game, the Super Bowl and the Final Four.

  • eagle14 | December 13, 2007 at 7:46 pm |

    Marc Savard might be another player using the heated blades:

    He’s hot for these skates
    When word broke 6-8 weeks ago that as many as 10 NHLers would receive Thermablades to test in practice, Bruins pivot Marc Savard was eager to get his pair of the heated skates. “I met a guy at a golf tournament over the summer, and he told me about them,” Savard said. “I’m still excited about it, but nothing yet.” The blades, manufactured just outside of Montreal and expected to retail for close to $400 per pair, include a concealed battery and microchip. When activated, they will heat to over 40 degrees Fahrenheit, which in theory will cut down on glide friction and the resistance a player faces when starting from a dead stop. “Hey, if they’re going to help me skate, I’m all for them,” said Savard.

    http://www.boston.co...

  • Ryan B | December 13, 2007 at 8:11 pm |

    Yikes, do those Texans’ red-on-reds look awful.

  • hott rodd | December 13, 2007 at 8:12 pm |

    # 96 for Hourton has bare legs and low reds..

    oh and the red on red looks horrible

  • David | December 13, 2007 at 8:18 pm |

    You’re in luck if you dont have NFLN. Texans are wearing all-red

  • Johnny O | December 13, 2007 at 8:23 pm |

    For those of you who do not have the NFL Network… here is what the Texans are wearing tonight.

    Happy Battle Red day

    Battle Red #2

  • TD | December 13, 2007 at 8:42 pm |

    These 1975 Cleveland Indians throwbacks don’t quite translate to football.

  • felix | December 13, 2007 at 8:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”186043″]For those of you who do not have the NFL Network… here is what the Texans are wearing tonight.

    Happy Battle Red day

    Battle Red #2[/quote]

    Yikes. Should have stuck with the blue or maybe even the white pants would look better than red. Good God.

  • James Craven | December 13, 2007 at 8:43 pm |

    Didn’t the Alamodome in San Antonio host football, basketball and oce hockey at one point?

    And Tom Hammond’s working woith Cris Collinsworth tonight as Bryan Gumbel has a sore throat. Maybe NFL Network should make that change permament.

    As for the Texans, they look like, quoting Boog Powell, “giant blood clots”. And as for the steroids, this is a uniform discusion for the love of Hog, so let’s return to what we know about uniforms, mmmmkay?

  • LI Phil | December 13, 2007 at 8:55 pm |

    radomski…redemske…

    hmmm

  • Kyle K. | December 13, 2007 at 8:58 pm |

    Yeah, these Texans uniforms may be the worst I’ve ever seen. Only thing worse may be if the Bears or Dolphins busted out orange pants to wear with their alts. The red jerseys themselves are nice, in fact I wish the reds were their primary jerseys, but they look so much better with the white pants. These should never be paired with the navy pants, let alone red.

    They look like they were dipped in the strawberry sauce at Dairy Queen.

  • Randall | December 13, 2007 at 9:19 pm |

    Ichiro started wearing his given name on the back of his jersey in 1994, at the behest of his manager when he was still in Japan playing for the Orix Blue Wave. Orix wanted a marketable figure for their franchise, and Ichiro’s manager wanted to distinguish him from the other four guys with the family name of “Suzuki” on the team.

    Kosuke Fukudome will likely wear his given name (Kosuke) on his Cubs jersey for a different reason. Former major leaguer Alex Ochoa, one of Fukudome’s teammates with Chunichi, recommended he do so on the basis that wearing “FUKUDOME” on the back of an MLB jersey simply might not translate culturally, for obvious reasons.

  • derek | December 13, 2007 at 9:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”185902″]“Brady Anderson, Manny Alexander, Rick Ankiel, Jeff Bagwell, Bar ry Bonds, Aaron Boone, Rafaeil Bettancourt, Bret Boone, Milton Bradley, David Bell, Dante Bichette, Albert Belle, Paul Byrd, Wil Cordero, Ken Caminiti, Mike Cameron, Ramon Castro, Jose and Ozzie Canseco, Roger Clemens, Paxton Crawford, Wilson Delgado, Lenny Dykstra, Johnny Damon, Carl Everett, Kyle Farnsoworth, Ryan Fr anklin, Troy Glaus, Rich Garces, Jason Grimsley, Troy Glaus, Juan Gonzalez, Eric Gagne, Nomar Garciaparra, Jason Giambi, Jeremy Giambi, Jose Guillen, Jay Gibbons, Juan Gonzalez, Clay Hensley, Jerry Hairston, Felix Heredia, Jr., Darren Holmes, Wally Joyner, Darryl Kile, Matt Lawton, Raul Mondesi, Ma rk McGwire, Guillermo Mota, Robert Machado, Damian Moss, Abraham Nunez, Trot Nixon, Jose Offerman, Andy Pettitte, Mark Prior, Neifi Perez, Rafael Palmiero, Albert Pujols, Brian Roberts, Juan Rincon, John Rocker, Pudge Rodriguez, Sammy Sosa, Scott Schoenweiis, David Segui, Alex Sanchez, Gary Sheffield, Miguel Tejada, Julian Tavarez, Fernando Tatis, Maurice Vaughn, Jason Varitek, Ismael Valdez, Matt Williams and Kerry Wood.”

    NOT CANSECO AND SOSA!!! SAY IT AIN’T SO! LOL

    …no pirates… geez! do we have to suck at everything?!?! can’t we get one good name on that list?!?! lol. we can’t even do the right drugs![/quote]
    haha comment of the day

  • T.J. | December 13, 2007 at 9:33 pm |

    Info from an actual Expos collector (namely myself)

    I have in the past seen a pair of light blue jersey patches which were purported to have come from the Expos organization. If memory serves, it was a large one to cover a NOB reading EXPOS just like what you see on the current ebay listing, as well as a smaller one with the name of the city which a minor league affiliate was located. Memphis rings a bell, but I can’t be certain. Anyhow, this was to cover the “expos” on the front of the jersey. Memphis could make sense since it also begins with M.

    The explanation as given to me was that they may have been jerseys that transitioned in and out of AAA ball, meaning that a player might start the season in the bigs and be optioned down, therefore requiring a modification to their jersey. Probably for player comfort and team expense reasons they just take the existing uni, ship it to the AAA team and have the minor mods made. In the current day and age, A-ball and rookie-league unis tend to follow the parent club’s colors & logo more than AA or AAA.

    I have also seen a logo for a team in (I believe) Jacksonville called the Expos, and they used a modified M-e-b logo, having removed the blue section and turning it into J-e. Finally, I have seen game used jerseys come up on eBay which have less fading in a block around the NOB, which sort of verifies that a nameplate existed at one time. I too am puzzled as to why a blank nameplate wasn’t installed in these cases, other then possibly to partially obscure the fact that there’s something else written underneath which would be evident if just a blank hunk of doubleknit were slapped overtop. (Recall smoeone wearing a major league Braves jersey during their rehab stint at [insert name of minor-league Braves affiliate here])

    Sorry for the lack of photographic evidence, I’m too tired to track is down.

  • E Ro | December 13, 2007 at 9:45 pm |

    Marty Reasoner is definitely wearing the Thermablades tonight in Detroit. They showed a close up during the game. I just did a gettyimages search and he’s been wearing them since at least December 5

  • DenverGregg | December 13, 2007 at 9:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”186056″]Yeah, these Texans uniforms may be the worst I’ve ever seen. Only thing worse may be if the Bears or Dolphins busted out orange pants to wear with their alts. The red jerseys themselves are nice, in fact I wish the reds were their primary jerseys, but they look so much better with the white pants. These should never be paired with the navy pants, let alone red.

    They look like they were dipped in the strawberry sauce at Dairy Queen.[/quote]
    The game where the Dolphins went all-teal was worse, but not by much.

  • Robert | December 13, 2007 at 9:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”186026″][quote comment=”186022″][quote comment=”185982″][quote comment=”185976″][quote comment=”185973″]

    Quoting myself….

    I know we all know this but it bears repeating. Just because a player is not named in this report does not mean that he is not or has not used performance enhancing drugs.

    So, for all we know Pujols or Bagwell COULD be as guilty as anyone else.[/quote]

    It means they were smart enough not to get entangled with the feds, but I don’t want to paint with that broad of a brush.

    In my (albeit brief) reading of the allegations against those named, all of them stem from a federal investigation of some sort. This report is basically Game of Shadows with information from a couple of otehr federal investigations. I didn’t see any Mitchell Commission revalations. Hardly worth the wait IMO.[/quote]

    Well, they do have testimony from a former Blue Jays/Yankees trainer who testified that he PERSONALLY injected Roger Clemens with steroids and HGH multiple times over several seasons. And a long list of names (and cancelled checks) from a former Mets trainer who was a middle-man. I don’t think these came from earlier investigations. AFAIK this is the first hard evidence on Clemens.[/quote]

    That’s not “hard evidence”; that’s hearsay.

    I’m not saying Clemens didn’t shoot up. I’m just saying that one man’s allegations, in the absence of credit card receipts, canceled checks, etc., do not constitute “hard evidence.” The paper trail seems much weaker for Clemens than for many other players named in the report.[/quote]

    It’s not hearsay, it’s an eyewitness. Hearsay would be if the trainer told you he injected Clemens and you told Mitchell.[/quote]

    Marty is absolutely correct. It amazes me how many otherwise intelligent people do not understand what hearsay is. An eyewitness’ testimony as to something he has done is NOT hearsay. Put as simply as possible, hearsay is an out of court statement offered to prove the matter asserted.

  • LI Phil | December 13, 2007 at 10:10 pm |

    [quote]Marty is absolutely correct[/quote]

    quote of the day right there ;)

    however, it’s true…to wit:

    Hearsay is “second-hand” information. It occurs when a witness testifies NOT about something they personally saw or heard, but testifies about something someone else told them or said they saw. Hearsay usually involves an attempt to get some crucial fact entered into evidence that cannot be entered into evidence by any other means. The constitutional due process danger that this represents is that it deprives the other side of an opportunity to confront and cross-examine the “real” witness who originally saw or heard something.

  • James Craven | December 13, 2007 at 10:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”186029″]“Has anyone seen the Texans warming up on the NFL Network yet? They look like a team of overgrown Santa’s Helpers! It’s as if the North Pole as fielded a team.”[/quote]

    Kinda reminds me of one of the hidden teams in Madden 98 for Nintendo 64.

    But that earns Post of the Day winnah!

  • todd krevanchi (krvanch) | December 13, 2007 at 10:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”185902″]“Brady Anderson, Manny Alexander, Rick Ankiel, Jeff Bagwell, Bar ry Bonds, Aaron Boone, Rafaeil Bettancourt, Bret Boone, Milton Bradley, David Bell, Dante Bichette, Albert Belle, Paul Byrd, Wil Cordero, Ken Caminiti, Mike Cameron, Ramon Castro, Jose and Ozzie Canseco, Roger Clemens, Paxton Crawford, Wilson Delgado, Lenny Dykstra, Johnny Damon, Carl Everett, Kyle Farnsoworth, Ryan Fr anklin, Troy Glaus, Rich Garces, Jason Grimsley, Troy Glaus, Juan Gonzalez, Eric Gagne, Nomar Garciaparra, Jason Giambi, Jeremy Giambi, Jose Guillen, Jay Gibbons, Juan Gonzalez, Clay Hensley, Jerry Hairston, Felix Heredia, Jr., Darren Holmes, Wally Joyner, Darryl Kile, Matt Lawton, Raul Mondesi, Ma rk McGwire, Guillermo Mota, Robert Machado, Damian Moss, Abraham Nunez, Trot Nixon, Jose Offerman, Andy Pettitte, Mark Prior, Neifi Perez, Rafael Palmiero, Albert Pujols, Brian Roberts, Juan Rincon, John Rocker, Pudge Rodriguez, Sammy Sosa, Scott Schoenweiis, David Segui, Alex Sanchez, Gary Sheffield, Miguel Tejada, Julian Tavarez, Fernando Tatis, Maurice Vaughn, Jason Varitek, Ismael Valdez, Matt Williams and Kerry Wood.”

    NOT CANSECO AND SOSA!!! SAY IT AIN’T SO! LOL

    …no pirates… geez! do we have to suck at everything?!?! can’t we get one good name on that list?!?! lol. we can’t even do the right drugs![/quote]

    nah! of the drug investigations mlb did over the last 25 years, the pirates chose that they wanted to go down in history as the team who did mountains of blow.
    they’d rather do a drug that makes them feel better than one that makes them play better.

    to add to the stadia discussion.
    someone mentioned the kingdome which was home to seattle football and baseball, also hosted the 84, 89 and 95 Final Fours.

    and the metrodome which is home to the minnesota football and baseball teams and hosted the 92 and 01 Final Fours. plus its one of 4 places fortunate enough to have hosted a world series and super bowl.

  • Jim | December 13, 2007 at 11:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”186029″]Has anyone seen the Texans warming up on the NFL Network yet? They look like a team of overgrown Santa’s Helpers! It’s as if the North Pole as fielded a team. If you do not have the NFL Network, be glad…this game is unwatchable![/quote]
    Worst uni combo ever… ho, ho, ho

  • Dan from Austin | December 13, 2007 at 11:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”186080″][quote comment=”186029″]Has anyone seen the Texans warming up on the NFL Network yet? They look like a team of overgrown Santa’s Helpers! It’s as if the North Pole as fielded a team. If you do not have the NFL Network, be glad…this game is unwatchable![/quote]
    Worst uni combo ever… ho, ho, ho[/quote]

    You guys are crazy. The Texans have never looked better. However, who’s bright idea was it to wear red leggings? Blue leggings would have looked so much better.

  • Frankie | December 13, 2007 at 11:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”186081″][quote comment=”186080″][quote comment=”186029″]Has anyone seen the Texans warming up on the NFL Network yet? They look like a team of overgrown Santa’s Helpers! It’s as if the North Pole as fielded a team. If you do not have the NFL Network, be glad…this game is unwatchable![/quote]
    Worst uni combo ever… ho, ho, ho[/quote]

    You guys are crazy. The Texans have never looked better. However, who’s bright idea was it to wear red leggings? Blue leggings would have looked so much better.[/quote]

    I agree that those uniforms were hard on the eyes. I also agree that they would have looked a ton better with blue socks, but then again, that’s really not saying much.

  • Will Morris | December 13, 2007 at 11:38 pm |

    Well, the Chinese are certainly helping enforce logo creep… Link.

  • Mike Engle | December 13, 2007 at 11:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”186081″][quote comment=”186080″][quote comment=”186029″]Has anyone seen the Texans warming up on the NFL Network yet? They look like a team of overgrown Santa’s Helpers! It’s as if the North Pole as fielded a team. If you do not have the NFL Network, be glad…this game is unwatchable![/quote]
    Worst uni combo ever… ho, ho, ho[/quote]

    You guys are crazy. The Texans have never looked better. However, who’s bright idea was it to wear red leggings? Blue leggings would have looked so much better.[/quote]
    They HAVE looked a lot better. Standard navy helmets with navy jerseys, white pants, and navy/white color block socks. Awesome combo. It looks…professional.

  • James Craven | December 13, 2007 at 11:59 pm |

    Be thankful they didn’t have a Harry high School akll-black outfit.

  • Casey | December 14, 2007 at 12:23 am |

    [quote comment=”185960″][quote comment=”185955″][quote comment=”185954″][quote comment=”185950″]That bowl game was played at “The BOB” Bank One Ballpark, now Chase Field in Phoenix, home of the Diamondbacks. The field also hosted an ASU women’s basketball game that was uni-notable because it rained in Phoenix during the game and they didn’t close the roof (there’s a whole ‘nother topic) and the women were wearing long sleeves and maybe even a sweatshirt. So I brought it back around to uni’s but I was wondering what other venues have hosted b’ball, football and baseball. I know some of the domes have been the site of Final Fours but have they had some baseball in there too?[/quote]

    I’m almost positive that they’ve had basketball, baseball, football, as well as other sports, at the Houston Astrodome. According to it’s wikipedia page, it’s also hosted soccer, tennis, and cricket, among other things.

    As for the BOB and the 2000 Insight bowl, I remember them saying during the broadcast that it was the first football game played there. I found that rather weird, since I had been in Phoenix in December 1999 visiting relatives. They took us to the restaurant in the stadium (there was no event happening at the time) and we sat overlooking the playing surface which had a football field laid out on it.[/quote]

    Tropican Field hots the Rays (still pissed about the move away from the wonderful green), the Tampa Bay Strom (AFL), the Tampa Bay Lightning (NHL) and Final Four.[/quote]
    The Kingdome in Seattle hosted tons of events, obviously the Seahawks and Mariners but was also the home for the Supersonics for awhile. The NBA all-star game was played there once too.[/quote]

    The Kingdome has also hosted NCAA tourney games, including the Final four. I think it was the year UCLA (with the O’Bannon brothers) won (1995 maybe?).

  • Will | December 14, 2007 at 12:33 am |

    As a company with a huge Houston presense, it makes sense for Halliburton to be a Texans corporate sponsor. I’m guessing they chose to be the Battle Red Day sponsor because red is Halliburton’s corporate color.

  • todd krevanchi (krvanch) | December 14, 2007 at 12:57 am |

    ok so the red on red didnt look so hot, but because there is no real secondary color in their color palate (red, white and blue all work for this team) having red white and blue jerseys AND pants and thus all the combinations works. just like i think it works in tennessee with all 3 prominent colors in use in both jerseys and pants.

    it would work in jacksonville too if they had teal pants as well (but make sure the black and teal pants have the stripes like the white ones).

    i also think it could work in washington too but only if its done in the right way. the yellow would have to be done correctly.

  • Kevin Z. | December 14, 2007 at 1:36 am |

    I agree the all red is a little much, but it would become a bit more bearable if they wore navy socks and I would say that the stripes on the pants should be navy to match the navy stripes on the shoulders. Maybe trimmed in thin white, but more navy would definitely help this combo. And yes I know it’s 130am, but it’s finals week and this is much more interesting than differential equations

  • Jerry | December 14, 2007 at 2:36 am |

    [quote comment=”185950″][quote comment=”185948″][quote comment=”185940″]Is Sage Rosenfels starting as the Texans’ QB tonight? If so, it might take him back to his college days at Iowa State, when I’m pretty sure they wore solid red more than once.[/quote]

    See, for example this picture of Rosenfels at the 2000 Insight Bowl.[/quote]
    That bowl game was played at “The BOB” Bank One Ballpark, now Chase Field in Phoenix, home of the Diamondbacks. The field also hosted an ASU women’s basketball game that was uni-notable because it rained in Phoenix during the game and they didn’t close the roof (there’s a whole ‘nother topic) and the women were wearing long sleeves and maybe even a sweatshirt. So I brought it back around to uni’s but I was wondering what other venues have hosted b’ball, football and baseball. I know some of the domes have been the site of Final Fours but have they had some baseball in there too?[/quote]

    Ford Field in Detroit has hosted basketball, football, and 2010 hockey. The 2010 Frozen Four will be played at Ford Field. The 2009 Final Four will be played there as well.

  • Jay | December 14, 2007 at 11:14 am |

    [quote comment=”186074″][quote]Marty is absolutely correct[/quote]

    quote of the day right there ;)

    however, it’s true…to wit:

    Hearsay is “second-hand” information. It occurs when a witness testifies NOT about something they personally saw or heard, but testifies about something someone else told them or said they saw. Hearsay usually involves an attempt to get some crucial fact entered into evidence that cannot be entered into evidence by any other means. The constitutional due process danger that this represents is that it deprives the other side of an opportunity to confront and cross-examine the “real” witness who originally saw or heard something.[/quote]

    Heresay: “Jimmy told me he injected Roger Clemens with steroids.”

    Double Heresay: “Jimmy said Johnny told him (Jimmy) that he (Johnny) injected Roger Clemens with steroids.”

  • kings33 | December 14, 2007 at 12:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”185991″][quote comment=”185990″]On the mitchell report, and athletic aesthetics…

    Why do so many of these guys have really boring checks? I only saw two designs, and Glenallen Hill had a nice monogram.

    C’mon guys, kick in a few bucks and get some nicer checks![/quote]
    Because rich people don’t write checks. Straight cash, homey.[/quote]

    They could have avoided a lot of embarrassment if they heeded your advice. Cash leaves no paper trail

  • emd2k3 | December 14, 2007 at 2:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”185814″][quote comment=”185804″]I have a general question? The practice of Asian players using their first name on the back of their jerseys is attributed to what? Examples such as:

    ICHIRO (Suzuki)
    YAO (Ming)

    And now…

    KOSUKE (Fukudome)
    His last name has all kinds of Wrigley Field bleachers chant possibilities…
    http://www.wrigleyvi...

    I wonder why some MLB teams and pro teams in general do not try and add some added difference to their alternates and use the first name of the player instead of the last name?

    I guess you might have a lot of Mike’s, Joe’s and Bill’s that would confuse casual fans…

    Just a thought.[/quote]

    Yao Ming’s family name/surname is Yao, which is why it’s on his jersey. Chinese names go surname-given name.

    Ichiro has to do with Suzuki being an extremely common name in Japan. Fukudome? Is that a common name? I don’t know, I’ve never been to Japan.[/quote]

    So was the Ming Dynasty kind of like the “Joe” Dynasty in China?