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Shady Character

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Back in March I wrote an ESPN column about athletes wearing sunglasses. At the time I wasn’t aware of any football players who’d worn shades on the field, but readers provided several examples that I later listed in a follow-up item: Mark Clayton (who wore sunglasses with the Dolphins and the Packers), Derrick Mayes, and Vai Sikahema. The most intriguing tidbit, though, was that Raymond Berry of the Colts had worn a set of homemade sun goggles during the ’50s and ’60s. But although several people told me about Berry’s eyewear, none of them provided a photo, and my own research efforts came up empty. But now, thanks to reader Jason Taylor, we’ve got a photo — and more.

Let’s start with the photo itself, which is a doozy. Eat your heart out, LaDainian Tomlinson — your tinted visor’s got nothing on this!

But here’s the kicker: The actual goggles recently sold on eBay for about $155. According to the auction listing, “With no commercially available product to address or correct his vision and sun-sensitivity problems, Berry took the initiative to make his own. Utilizing Bausch & Lomb swim goggles as frames, he inserted heavy shaded lenses supported by trainer’s tape and a primitive headstrap.”

How did the Hall of Fame miss out on this?

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The Issue That Just Won’t Die: In case you were too busy scarfing down leftovers to read Friday’s comments, it’s now clear that Dallas Clark’s American flag decal has been missing for quite some time — not just on Thanksgiving or the week before that, but all the way back to Week 8.

In an incredible stroke of luck, it turns out that bench coach Bryan Redemske actually knows Dallas Clark, because Bryan’s wife and Clark went to high school together. So we’ve got an inside line on this one — stay tuned.

Austin Reminder: Uni Watch gathering tomorrow night, 7:30 p.m., at the Salt Lick. BYOB (not to be confused with FNOB).

Uni Watch News Ticker: While researching something else, I noticed that you can see the brand on Tony Romo’s flak jacket right through his jersey. … Reprinted from Friday’s comments: Note the inconsistent 7s here. … Speaking of numbers and typography, remember a few months back when we discussed the differing treatments of the 5 on the sleeve and chest of the Packers’ jerseys? Adam Seabury was just at the Packers Hall of Fame, where he discovered yet another version of the 5. He also snapped great pics of jerseys, helmets (check out the odd facemask here), pants, socks (someone please break into that display and steal those for me, pronto), cheerleaders’ outfits, programs, and a lot more. There’s a slideshow of all his pics here. … Great historical slideshow here of the Turkey Day Game between Kirkwood and Webster Groves, a centurty-long St. Louis Thanksgiving tradition. Some of the older pics are amazing — worth clicking through. … “I was at the Oregon/UCLA game at the Rose Bowl on Saturday,” writes Ryan Whitacre, “and at least one member of the Oregon fan base was exhibiting some classy dress. We can only hope this will filter down to the athletes themselves.” … Virginia retired Tiki Barber’s number on Saturday. … “These pics are of a few old mining company baseball and basketball teams from the 1910-1930,” writes longtime Uni Watch pal Doug Kalemba. “According to my grandfather (who is 96!), each mine had its own team, many filled with ringers who got cushy jobs in return for playing. The competition between these teams was serious business, with games often ending in brawls (or worse). My grandfather was a catcher and played for a few different teams. He claims a lot of the players were good enough for the bigs but never caught a break.” … While researching something else, I came across this photo from the 1959 NFL title game. Take a look at Jim Patton (No. 20) — the “2” on his helmet appears to be backwards. … Aaron Levine notes that in this fight between Stan Jonathan and Paul Stewart, Stewart has NNOB and really big uni numbers, while the rest of the Nords have NOBs. … Man, those Browns throwbacks looked my-t-fine (additional pics here, here, and here). But John Ryder notes that the “c” on Willie McGinest’s jersey was almost as big as the other letters on his nameplate, while the “c” on Brandon McDonald’s jersey was teeny-tiny. … Jeremy Brahm, ever alert to unusual uniforms in far-off parts of the world, notes that the Singapore Slingers of the National Basketball League of Australia have an interesting design for their shorts and rear jersey. … Has anyone else noticed that Sheldon Brown practically wears a towel on his chinstrap? … Reprinted from last night’s comments: Adrian Peterson is the latest Bear to have suffered a torn helmet decal.

 

252 comments to Shady Character

  • Jack | November 26, 2007 at 9:16 am |

    This website needs more things about Lacrosse. Just sayin

    love the blog though :)

  • Mike | November 26, 2007 at 9:20 am |

    I don’t “get” the weekly update on american flag decals. What am I missing?

  • steve | November 26, 2007 at 9:22 am |

    The Raymond Berry phot reminds me of

  • steve | November 26, 2007 at 9:23 am |

    [quote comment=”177170″]The Raymond Berry photo reminds me of [/quote]

  • steve | November 26, 2007 at 9:24 am |

    The Raymond Berry phot reminds me of

  • Surly | November 26, 2007 at 9:27 am |

    During the Grey Cup last night the Bombers’ kicker Troy Westwood was wearing a beaded necklace with a bear claw or something hanging down.

    it was about the size of a shot glass and looked very very sharp. Yeah he’s native but that seemed a little much.

  • Joey Guns | November 26, 2007 at 9:31 am |

    Anyone watch the Villanova-NC State game last night on ESPN2 at 7 PM? One of the Villanova players did not have his name on his back. I think it was #31, but there’s no number #31 on their roster online. Can anyone help on this?

  • Jason Axel | November 26, 2007 at 9:33 am |

    Jon Kitna kinda has the Sheldon Brown chinstrap thing going on…except he doesn’t have it in practice and I noticed he doesn’t have it in this game. Did Kitna just start it this year? He didn’t do it with the Bengals either.

  • josh's twin | November 26, 2007 at 9:34 am |

    Aaron Levine notes that in this fight between Stan Jonathan and Paul Stewart, Stewart has NNOB and really big uni numbers, while the rest of the Nords have NOBs.

    Not quite. There are at least two other NNOBs on the Nords (#28, and one other that i couldn’t make out the number.) in this clip, which is even weirder than if it was just Stewart. Was half the lineup callups that night, or what?

  • Jack | November 26, 2007 at 9:45 am |

    SHOULD HAVE PUT THIS WITH POST NUMBER ONE:

    I haven’t seen so much disparity in equipment as there is in the sport of Lacrosse. There is at least 5 different styles of helmets being used in Division one alone! Check it out:

    Duke in the Brine Triumph and Hopkins in the Cascade CPX

    Virginia in the Gait Identity

    Ohio State in the Warrior Viking (Note the Buckeye Pride Stickers)

    Michigan in the Riddell Revolution

    Also, I know that UniWatch’s writers will have a soft spot in their hearts for these socks. Calf high socks have long been the trademark of stylish Lacrosse players.

    Salisbury

    Cornell

    These are just gaudy! UMass

  • Shane | November 26, 2007 at 9:47 am |

    While researching something else, I came across this photo from the 1959 NFL title game. Take a look at Jim Patton (No. 20) — the “2″ on his helmet appears to be backwards.

    Also, #70 (‘fraid I don’t know the name. You’ll have to excuse a “soccer” fan) has different 7’s from his back to the television-numbers.

  • Mike | November 26, 2007 at 9:49 am |

    Raymond Berry’s helmet and goggles look like Anakin Skywalker’s podracing helmet from Star Wars I.

    http://web.ukonline....

  • Shane | November 26, 2007 at 9:49 am |

    Also, there was a comment the other day about the block on the back of Argentina’s new jersey (the striped one), that football picture illustrates perfectly why FIFA is mandating such a block on striped kits. Look at the ref.

  • mike | November 26, 2007 at 9:54 am |

    If I remember right, Mike Nelms who played for the Redskins abck ni the day wore regular sunglasses when her returned kicks….of course I cannot find a picture. Also, Howie Long’s son had his number retired by UVA this weekend.

  • dimoko | November 26, 2007 at 9:55 am |

    I was at the browns game yesterday, and had to explain to people the differences in the browns uniforms. and i love the typeface of the helmet numbers, just love it.

  • DZ | November 26, 2007 at 9:56 am |

    Note the inconsistent 7s here

    Looks like inconsistent 5s too.

  • dimoko | November 26, 2007 at 9:56 am |
  • Tim | November 26, 2007 at 9:57 am |

    Some Browns went striped socks….some didnt. The only disappointment from Throwback Sunday.

    Note Winslow in this picture….
    http://us.i1.yimg.co...

    And Winslow was back to his old helmet, while Steve Heiden continued to wear the Schutt Ion.

  • JJD | November 26, 2007 at 10:04 am |

    Who made the hddvdnbc.com commercials with Marty Schottenheimer? I noticed this in the second one a lot more, but if you watch this one when they are “bringing it in” the second guy in line (behind #29) is wearing #6, but his “6” is offset to the left, like he was #60 and the took the zero off, or they changed their mind because they ran out of other numbers (note that his shoulder numbers appear to be in the correct spot). Dummies.

  • Smitty | November 26, 2007 at 10:06 am |

    [quote comment=”177188″]SHOULD HAVE PUT THIS WITH POST NUMBER ONE:

    I haven’t seen so much disparity in equipment as there is in the sport of Lacrosse. There is at least 5 different styles of helmets being used in Division one alone! Check it out:

    Duke in the Brine Triumph and Hopkins in the Cascade CPX

    Virginia in the Gait Identity

    Ohio State in the Warrior Viking (Note the Buckeye Pride Stickers)

    Michigan in the Riddell Revolution

    Also, I know that UniWatch’s writers will have a soft spot in their hearts for these socks. Calf high socks have long been the trademark of stylish Lacrosse players.

    Salisbury

    Cornell

    These are just gaudy! UMass[/quote]

    No offense, but lacrosse = yawn

  • Jack | November 26, 2007 at 10:18 am |

    No offense, but lacrosse = yawn

    if you think lacrosse is boring, then you really know nothing about the game. Its the fastest game on two feet! It combines the footwork of basketball, the hitting of hockey, and the endurance/speed of soccer.

    NCAA and Professional Lacrosse players are some of the best athletes you’ll find! It’s like hockey as far as having lines goes, except midfielders spend 3-5 minutes on the field at a time (at full sprint, on a playing surface larger than a hockey rink).

    The defensemen have 6 FOOT TITANIUM POLES, and are allowed to swing away at the attacker, as if he was a pinata. There is nothing yawn about that.

  • Miguel | November 26, 2007 at 10:18 am |

    Kudos to that guy on the Singapore Slingers for rockin’ the old Webbers Air Max Sensations!

  • Jordan | November 26, 2007 at 10:18 am |

    [quote comment=”177200″]I was at the browns game yesterday, and had to explain to people the differences in the browns uniforms. and i love the typeface of the helmet numbers, just love it.[/quote]

    Still wondering what the font was — I know we must have typographic nerds who crossover here.

    I’m thinking Futura.

  • Rick | November 26, 2007 at 10:22 am |

    [quote]

    These are just gaudy! UMass[/quote]

    What’s wrong with the UMass unis? I think they look pretty good in that pic.

  • todd krevanchi | November 26, 2007 at 10:23 am |

    its easy to recognize that the majority of all goggled nfl’ers happen prior to the universally accepted advent of the facemask visor.

    berry’s goggles make him look like one of these, who by the way, in many episodes of the show was portrayed by this former bad boy.

    currently goggled hoops players include wisconsin’s marcus landry, and most famously, marcus jordan, of THAT jordan family.

    [quote comment=”177204″]Austin Reminder: Uni Watch gathering tomorrow night, 7:30 p.m., at the Salt Lick. BYOB (not to be confused with FNOB).[/quote]

    perhaps the blog line of the year.

    [quote comment=”177202″]Reprinted from Friday’s comments: Note the inconsistent 7s here…[/quote]

    what? no love for the different 5’s?

    [quote comment=”177202″]He also snapped great pics of jerseys, helmets (check out the odd facemask here)[/quote]

    dont know how odd that facemask was to green bay as i remember lynn dickey wearing a version of that one during almost his entire career.

  • Kevin | November 26, 2007 at 10:26 am |

    The snake numbers are back for the Columbus Cottonmouths seen here.

  • FEZ WHATLEY | November 26, 2007 at 10:27 am |

    [quote comment=”177211″]
    No offense, but lacrosse = yawn[/quote]
    Agreed.

    Bad enough with all the soccer clutter.

    Lacrosse now? Jesus no…

    Vai Sikahema was rockin the 90’s Oakley M Frames. Sa-weet.

  • Mike | November 26, 2007 at 10:27 am |

    [quote comment=”177216″]No offense, but lacrosse = yawn

    if you think lacrosse is boring, then you really know nothing about the game. Its the fastest game on two feet! It combines the footwork of basketball, the hitting of hockey, and the endurance/speed of soccer.

    NCAA and Professional Lacrosse players are some of the best athletes you’ll find! It’s like hockey as far as having lines goes, except midfielders spend 3-5 minutes on the field at a time (at full sprint, on a playing surface larger than a hockey rink).

    The defensemen have 6 FOOT TITANIUM POLES, and are allowed to swing away at the attacker, as if he was a pinata. There is nothing yawn about that.[/quote]

    I don’t doubt the excitement of the game, nor the quality of the athletes who participates, but it’s a niche sport at best.

  • Rick | November 26, 2007 at 10:30 am |

    [quote]dont know how odd that facemask was to green bay as i remember lynn dickey wearing a version of that one during almost his entire career.[/quote]

    Check out the FNOB on Mr. Youngblood’s jersey!

  • Zack | November 26, 2007 at 10:35 am |

    Actually Michigan is a club team… they are not a DI Varsity team. They play in the CCLA conference in the MCLA which is the top college club league in the country. But the level of lacrosse is still pretty good compared to DI/DIII games.

    [quote comment=”177188″]SHOULD HAVE PUT THIS WITH POST NUMBER ONE:

    I haven’t seen so much disparity in equipment as there is in the sport of Lacrosse. There is at least 5 different styles of helmets being used in Division one alone! Check it out:

    Duke in the Brine Triumph and Hopkins in the Cascade CPX

    Virginia in the Gait Identity

    Ohio State in the Warrior Viking (Note the Buckeye Pride Stickers)

    Michigan in the Riddell Revolution

    Also, I know that UniWatch’s writers will have a soft spot in their hearts for these socks. Calf high socks have long been the trademark of stylish Lacrosse players.

    Salisbury

    Cornell

    These are just gaudy! UMass[/quote]

  • Jack | November 26, 2007 at 10:40 am |

    [quote comment=”177219″][quote]

    These are just gaudy! UMass[/quote]

    What’s wrong with the UMass unis? I think they look pretty good in that pic.[/quote]

    High socks have been notorious in the sport of Lacrosse as only being able to be worn by people from Long Island, partially because thats where the best lacrosse is played, partially because its always been their thing.

    Lacrosse players from other parts of the country (Massachusetts) are considered Prima Donna’s, posers, or for you hockey enthusiasts, benders.

  • Joey Guns | November 26, 2007 at 10:40 am |

    What was up with Kurt Warner with the double gloves yesterday?

    http://www.blogsmith...

  • Jack | November 26, 2007 at 10:43 am |

    Actually Michigan is a club team… they are not a DI Varsity team. They play in the CCLA conference in the MCLA which is the top college club league in the country. But the level of lacrosse is still pretty good compared to DI/DIII games.

    yeah, i know that, but i didn’t care to explain that to some of the close-minded readers, just look at their reactions. Comparing lacrosse to SOCCER? Get real

  • todd krevanchi | November 26, 2007 at 10:43 am |

    frequent uni-newsmaker sean taylor shot in a most unfortunate spot…
    http://sports.espn.g...

  • LI Phil | November 26, 2007 at 10:45 am |

    [quote comment=”177236″]High socks have been notorious in the sport of Lacrosse as only being able to be worn by people from Long Island, partially because thats where the best lacrosse is played, partially because its always been their thing.[/quote]

    yeah…um…not since about 1982

  • Hed-Bone11 | November 26, 2007 at 10:46 am |

    Virginia retired Tiki Barber’s number on Saturday.

    You would think the kids could have worn some actual jerseys instead of cheap mesh ones.

  • ryan c #40 | November 26, 2007 at 10:51 am |

    i like the old reebok symbol on tiki’s colege jersey…

  • Jack | November 26, 2007 at 10:53 am |

    yeah…um…not since about 1982

    forgive me, i’m somewhat of a lacrosse historian. I haven’t paid much attention to High School lax in long island lately.

    I feel foolish defending every jab at Lacrosse, but to whoever said that Lacrosse was a ‘niche sport’, I’ll just let you know that the ncaa championships for lacrosse sold 44,000 tickets, which is more than any other sport.

  • Paul Lukas | November 26, 2007 at 10:53 am |

    [quote comment=”177237″]What was up with Kurt Warner with the double gloves yesterday?

    http://www.blogsmith...

    I’m increasingly of the opinion that the biggest change in football over the past two decades is the rise of gloves. Yes, today’s players have a much higher level of athleticism, but many of today’s acrobatic catches wouldn’t be possible without the sticky/tacky gloves. And don’t try to compare the stickum that players used to wear before it was banned — the gloves are MUCH better.

    As for Warner, I don’t think QBs should be allowed to wear gloves on their throwing hands. But more and more QBs are doing it.

  • Marty Met | November 26, 2007 at 10:54 am |

    [quote comment=”177243″]Virginia retired Tiki Barber’s number on Saturday.

    You would think the kids could have worn some actual jerseys instead of cheap mesh ones.[/quote]

    Tiki Barber makes Keith Hernandez seem humble

  • Jason | November 26, 2007 at 10:57 am |

    Don’t know if this has been mentioned yet but the Phillies will unveil there new alternate unis on the 29th of Nov.

  • Keith | November 26, 2007 at 10:58 am |

    # 7

    Dante Cunninham for Villanova is #33, he got a cut over his eye and blood on his jersey which the NCAA does not let you play with. The #31 jersey is kept by the trainer for situations like this.

  • jsdryden | November 26, 2007 at 11:03 am |

    On Sat. night the Edmonton Oilers hosted Tickets for Troops night, where 6,000 season ticket holders donated their tickets to Canadian Armed Forces members.

    Oilers players wore a yellow ribbon decal on the back left side of their helmets, and a yellow ribbon was painted on the ice behind each net.

    Link to a good photo gallery here from that night, you have to look pretty closely in some of the shots to see the ribbon decal.

  • jsdryden | November 26, 2007 at 11:05 am |

    [quote comment=”177257″]On Sat. night the Edmonton Oilers hosted Tickets for Troops night, where 6,000 season ticket holders donated their tickets to Canadian Armed Forces members.

    Oilers players wore a yellow ribbon decal on the back left side of their helmets, and a yellow ribbon was painted on the ice behind each net.

    Link to a good photo gallery here from that night, you have to look pretty closely in some of the shots to see the ribbon decal.[/quote]

    Screwed up the link, I will try again.

    http://oilers.nhl.co...

  • steve | November 26, 2007 at 11:08 am |

    The Raymond Berry phot reminds me of “Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas”.

  • HUS | November 26, 2007 at 11:11 am |

    “But John Ryder notes that the “c” on Willie McGinest’s jersey was almost as big as the other letters on his nameplate, while the “c” on Brandon McDonald’s jersey was teeny-tiny.”

    Some people spell it “Mc” some “MC” …it’s not a great mystery

  • LI Phil | November 26, 2007 at 11:11 am |

    [quote comment=”177250″]And don’t try to compare the stickum that players used to wear before it was banned — the gloves are MUCH better.[/quote]

    two words…

    lester hayes

  • timmy b | November 26, 2007 at 11:12 am |

    [quote comment=”177189″]While researching something else, I came across this photo from the 1959 NFL title game. Take a look at Jim Patton (No. 20) — the “2″ on his helmet appears to be backwards.

    Also, #70 (‘fraid I don’t know the name. You’ll have to excuse a “soccer” fan) has different 7’s from his back to the television-numbers.[/quote]

    #70 is sam huff. sam works in the redskins radio booth with larry michael and sonny jurgensen.

    notice too on the 1959 giants sleeve numbers how they bleed into the sleeve stripes.

    and…..i love ALL sports!!

  • C.N. | November 26, 2007 at 11:14 am |

    [quote comment=”177249″]yeah…um…not since about 1982

    forgive me, i’m somewhat of a lacrosse historian. I haven’t paid much attention to High School lax in long island lately.

    I feel foolish defending every jab at Lacrosse, but to whoever said that Lacrosse was a ‘niche sport’, I’ll just let you know that the ncaa championships for lacrosse sold 44,000 tickets, which is more than any other sport.[/quote]

    Well, by comparison, the D-I men’s final four could easily sell out probably 100,000 tickets, if there were any arenas that big. And, I-A football bowl games don’t count under that statistic, because they’re not regulated by the NCAA. So, that stat is a little bit tainted.

  • patrick | November 26, 2007 at 11:15 am |

    [quote comment=”177249″]yeah…um…not since about 1982

    forgive me, i’m somewhat of a lacrosse historian. I haven’t paid much attention to High School lax in long island lately.

    I feel foolish defending every jab at Lacrosse, but to whoever said that Lacrosse was a ‘niche sport’, I’ll just let you know that the ncaa championships for lacrosse sold 44,000 tickets, which is more than any other sport.[/quote]

    Question: Where IS the championship? I recall last year it was in a lax hotbed, Maryland, no? So, thats not really a good sign of how its NOT a niche sport, rather that its a very popoular niche. NY/NJ MA and DC/MD are the only real popular places for lax.

  • Joey Guns | November 26, 2007 at 11:16 am |

    [quote comment=”177255″]# 7

    Dante Cunninham for Villanova is #33, he got a cut over his eye and blood on his jersey which the NCAA does not let you play with. The #31 jersey is kept by the trainer for situations like this.[/quote]

    Thanks Keith. I saw him get cut over his eye. I should’ve realized that’s what happened! He almost hit the game winner too, except they made a dumb foul on an NC State 3 point shot, so they lost by 1.

  • HUS | November 26, 2007 at 11:17 am |

    AH yes…I forgot… If there are any pictures of NNOB in the nhl from basically 1975 on, it simply fell off…I have over 100 of these types of photos….it has nothing to do with call-ups, as a player cannot suit for a game without a NOB.

    Kinda similar…One of the greatest uni moments in hockey occurred when Theo Fleury’s entire jersey ripped and he tried to wear a #14 fleury replica from someone behind the Calgary bench…the refs wouldn’t let him as it was covered in Flames autographs

  • spencer096 | November 26, 2007 at 11:19 am |

    Tim…regarding Winslow.

    He had the stripes, they were just lower and obscured in the photo. I was in the Dawg Pound and had a few good looks at em.

    also, I have a friend who works for Riddell. Last week Winslow wore a Revolution for the first time which he ditched this week for the standard Ridell helmet. He used to wear a Schutt model but now uses Ridell. I think the standard helmet could be because of the throwbacks, but since he only wore the Revo for one week, we won’t know until Sunday.

  • john | November 26, 2007 at 11:21 am |

    [quote comment=”177177″]Anyone watch the Villanova-NC State game last night on ESPN2 at 7 PM?

    One of the Villanova players did not have his name on his back.

    I think it was #31, but there’s no number #31 on their roster online.

    Can anyone help on this?[/quote]
    That was someone with the last name cunnimgham and he got blood on his first jersey from a cut above his eye.

  • mike | November 26, 2007 at 11:24 am |

    It looks like Ocho Cinco has wee little ankles in this picture…
    http://sports.yahoo....

  • Kris McInnis | November 26, 2007 at 11:25 am |

    I know it’s probably just the fold of the fabric, but that Singapore Slingers jersey looks like it just says ‘Slngers’.

  • jere | November 26, 2007 at 11:25 am |

    I think Ray Berry looks more like a Sleestak than anything else. Or a mix of all four Banana Splits.

    Also, when I think of tinted facemasks, I think of Ken O’Brien….

  • Jeff B | November 26, 2007 at 11:29 am |

    Ok so here I am asking the stupid question.

    What’s with football socks? In most cases you have the two colors, white and the team color on top. It looks like in some instances theres a solid colored sock with a shorter, say calf high, white sock over it. In other cases it looks like there’s tall white socks with a colored leg warmer over it. Other cases it looks like one solid sock with both colors, or the stripe pattern, on it.

    Is there rationale behind any instance? Or is it just preference?

  • Jeff B | November 26, 2007 at 11:32 am |

    [quote comment=”177275″]It looks like Ocho Cinco has wee little ankles in this picture…
    http://sports.yahoo....

    Did any station, perhaps a local Cincinnati station show the video from when Chad had the camera?

  • elliott | November 26, 2007 at 11:33 am |

    Can anyone explain something weird with Miami Dolphins uniforms?

    Aqua jersey

    Rarely worn orange 2-0 alternate

    Blue jersey, never used but marketed to fans

    White “road” Jersey

    Anyone notice the difference on the white jersey?

    The cuffs on the arms on all the others feature small stripes (aqua, white, navy, orange and then reversed) but the white jersey just has block aqua cuffs.

    Why? It’s something so miniscule, but someone somewhere clearly went out of his way to have the block aqua sleeves.

    It irritates me every time I see it!

  • Nick | November 26, 2007 at 11:38 am |
  • Mike | November 26, 2007 at 11:45 am |

    [quote comment=”177266″][quote comment=”177249″]yeah…um…not since about 1982

    forgive me, i’m somewhat of a lacrosse historian. I haven’t paid much attention to High School lax in long island lately.

    I feel foolish defending every jab at Lacrosse, but to whoever said that Lacrosse was a ‘niche sport’, I’ll just let you know that the ncaa championships for lacrosse sold 44,000 tickets, which is more than any other sport.[/quote]

    Well, by comparison, the D-I men’s final four could easily sell out probably 100,000 tickets, if there were any arenas that big. And, I-A football bowl games don’t count under that statistic, because they’re not regulated by the NCAA. So, that stat is a little bit tainted.[/quote]

    At the UVA/VT game on Saturday, 61,7xx fans bought tix…

  • Justin B | November 26, 2007 at 11:50 am |

    [quote comment=”177284″][quote comment=”177266″][quote comment=”177249″]yeah…um…not since about 1982

    forgive me, i’m somewhat of a lacrosse historian. I haven’t paid much attention to High School lax in long island lately.

    I feel foolish defending every jab at Lacrosse, but to whoever said that Lacrosse was a ‘niche sport’, I’ll just let you know that the ncaa championships for lacrosse sold 44,000 tickets, which is more than any other sport.[/quote]

    Well, by comparison, the D-I men’s final four could easily sell out probably 100,000 tickets, if there were any arenas that big. And, I-A football bowl games don’t count under that statistic, because they’re not regulated by the NCAA. So, that stat is a little bit tainted.[/quote]

    At the UVA/VT game on Saturday, 61,7xx fans bought tix…[/quote]

    I was at the Vols/Vandy game on the 17th. 105,000 people were there with me.

  • C.N. | November 26, 2007 at 11:50 am |

    [quote comment=”177284″][quote comment=”177266″][quote comment=”177249″]yeah…um…not since about 1982

    forgive me, i’m somewhat of a lacrosse historian. I haven’t paid much attention to High School lax in long island lately.

    I feel foolish defending every jab at Lacrosse, but to whoever said that Lacrosse was a ‘niche sport’, I’ll just let you know that the ncaa championships for lacrosse sold 44,000 tickets, which is more than any other sport.[/quote]

    Well, by comparison, the D-I men’s final four could easily sell out probably 100,000 tickets, if there were any arenas that big. And, I-A football bowl games don’t count under that statistic, because they’re not regulated by the NCAA. So, that stat is a little bit tainted.[/quote]

    At the UVA/VT game on Saturday, 61,7xx fans bought tix…[/quote]

    Tennessee and Michigan both regularly sell out their 100,000+ seat stadiums.

  • HUS | November 26, 2007 at 11:52 am |

    WOW I have never heard of anything like this before. A player suing the equipment manufacturer
    I remember the injury well but not this part.

    “Mark Howe filed a $5 million dollar lawsuit seeking damages for an accident that happened while he was a member of the Hartford Whalers. He sued the JayFro Corp. of Waterford, the city ofHartford, and the Hartford Civic Center”…”Fortunately he later recovered from the injuries”
    (Jayfro made either the whole net or just the dangerous middle piece that sat on the ice ‘in’ the net)

    This doesnt show the injury, but at the 20 second point, Howe scores and the puck is actually resting on the ‘spike’ in question

  • todd krevanchi | November 26, 2007 at 11:52 am |

    [quote comment=”177264″][quote comment=”177250″]And don’t try to compare the stickum that players used to wear before it was banned — the gloves are MUCH better.[/quote]

    two words…

    lester hayes[/quote]

    if you were talking about his facemask and how it compares to the one in the packer hall of fame, then this is a better picture,
    http://www.calpyc.co...

    if you were talking about the stick-um, then this one might have been better
    http://greatsportsri...

  • Patrick | November 26, 2007 at 11:55 am |

    I’m not from St. Louis, but a few years ago circumstances found me there and I got to attend the Webster Groves-Kirkwood game. It’s a really cool Thanksgiving tradition, and the game is played after the season and playoffs are over (unless one of them were to make the state championship game, I’m guessing, which was played this year on Saturday 11/24).

  • felix | November 26, 2007 at 12:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”177250″][quote comment=”177237″]What was up with Kurt Warner with the double gloves yesterday?

    http://www.blogsmith...

    I’m increasingly of the opinion that the biggest change in football over the past two decades is the rise of gloves. Yes, today’s players have a much higher level of athleticism, but many of today’s acrobatic catches wouldn’t be possible without the sticky/tacky gloves. And don’t try to compare the stickum that players used to wear before it was banned — the gloves are MUCH better.

    As for Warner, I don’t think QBs should be allowed to wear gloves on their throwing hands. But more and more QBs are doing it.[/quote]

    They sure didn’t help him hang on to the ball in OT, now did they?

  • jamie | November 26, 2007 at 12:08 pm |

    yea, i was at that ut/vandy game to, and there was way more people at that game then there will ever be at some lacrosse game. If the university of Tennessee only sold 44,000 tickets for a game, that stadium would look empty, but im sure that 44,00 fills up a lacrosse stadium.

    Lacrosse will NEVER be a major sport in America, and will never sell out a huge stadium like Neyland stadium

  • Rick | November 26, 2007 at 12:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”177249″]yeah…um…not since about 1982

    forgive me, i’m somewhat of a lacrosse historian. I haven’t paid much attention to High School lax in long island lately.

    I feel foolish defending every jab at Lacrosse, but to whoever said that Lacrosse was a ‘niche sport’, I’ll just let you know that the ncaa championships for lacrosse sold 44,000 tickets, which is more than any other sport.[/quote]

    I assume you aren’t including basketball, baseball or football in those numbers. I’m guessing those aren’t included in your ticket numbers. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not busting on Lacrosse. I’ve seen it and agree it is enjoyable to watch.

  • Jet | November 26, 2007 at 12:18 pm |

    In that hockey fight video with the Quebec player (#22)with NNOB, at the end of that first fight you see another player facing the bench (#28) who also has NNOB.

    -Jet

  • Andrew | November 26, 2007 at 12:18 pm |


    yeah, i know that, but i didn’t care to explain that to some of the close-minded readers, just look at their reactions. Comparing lacrosse to SOCCER? Get real

    A great way to get someone to sympathize with whatever sport you’re on about? Making fun of another sport.
    Or, you know, having styles of socks to differentiate rich people from the New York area from rich people from Maryland.

  • C.N. | November 26, 2007 at 12:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”177303″][quote comment=”177249″]yeah…um…not since about 1982

    forgive me, i’m somewhat of a lacrosse historian. I haven’t paid much attention to High School lax in long island lately.

    I feel foolish defending every jab at Lacrosse, but to whoever said that Lacrosse was a ‘niche sport’, I’ll just let you know that the ncaa championships for lacrosse sold 44,000 tickets, which is more than any other sport.[/quote]

    I assume you aren’t including basketball, baseball or football in those numbers. I’m guessing those aren’t included in your ticket numbers. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not busting on Lacrosse. I’ve seen it and agree it is enjoyable to watch.[/quote]

    read comments above…

  • Josh Petty | November 26, 2007 at 12:29 pm |

    I posted this in the comments on Saturday, and it apparently went unnoticed.

    During the first half of the Derby County/Chelsea game on Saturday, there was a player for Derby on the pitch without a name or number on his back. I’ve only been able to find one photo that has him in it. Also, check out the unis for Chelsea in the picture, that’s the first time I’ve seen the monochromatic look with that jersey. Most times I’ve seen them (they are new for this season), they have black shorts.

    Here’s the photo I was talking about with the nameless, numberless guy in it. The problem was corrected at halftime becuase there were no subs at half or a guy without a name and number on his back.

    http://www.premierle...,,12306~3476868,00.jpg

  • todd krevanchi | November 26, 2007 at 12:32 pm |

    if chris long’s jersey was retired by uva just this saturday, why did it take an entire nfl career (and a hall of fame one at that) by tiki barber to get his retired as well that day?

    what am i missing?

  • Marty Met | November 26, 2007 at 12:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”177302″]yea, i was at that ut/vandy game to, and there was way more people at that game then there will ever be at some lacrosse game. If the university of Tennessee only sold 44,000 tickets for a game, that stadium would look empty, but im sure that 44,00 fills up a lacrosse stadium.

    Lacrosse will NEVER be a major sport in America, and will never sell out a huge stadium like Neyland stadium[/quote]

    People used to say that about football back in the 1920s.

  • LI Phil | November 26, 2007 at 12:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”177319″]People used to say that about football back in the 1920s.[/quote]

    people still say it about soccer

  • mike | November 26, 2007 at 12:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”177318″]if chris long’s jersey was retired by uva just this saturday, why did it take an entire nfl career (and a hall of fame one at that) by tiki barber to get his retired as well that day?

    what am i missing?[/quote]
    Great question: http://www.dailypres...

  • steve | November 26, 2007 at 12:43 pm |
  • LI Phil | November 26, 2007 at 12:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”177318″]if chris long’s jersey was retired by uva just this saturday, why did it take an entire nfl career (and a hall of fame one at that) by tiki barber to get his retired as well that day?

    what am i missing?[/quote]

    here’s the story:

    jersey retirement is a new level of recognition at Virginia to honor players who have significantly impacted the program and Long and Barber are the first football players to be honored in this way…individuals recognized in this way will have their jerseys retired, but their number will remain active.

    last november the UVa athletics department retired the jersey of basketball player Curtis Staples during the halftime ceremonies of the opening of John Paul Jones Arena.

    six virginia players have had their uniform numbers retired and those numbers will not be worn again…those numbers honor the most decorated players in the program’s history, including Jim Dombrowski (73), Bill Dudley (35), Gene Edmonds (97), Shawn Moore (12), Joe Palumbo (48) and Frank Quayle (24).

    link with great photo of chris long in cryblack

  • Jack | November 26, 2007 at 12:55 pm |

    yea, i was at that ut/vandy game to, and there was way more people at that game then there will ever be at some lacrosse game. If the university of Tennessee only sold 44,000 tickets for a game, that stadium would look empty, but im sure that 44,00 fills up a lacrosse stadium.

    Lacrosse will NEVER be a major sport in America, and will never sell out a huge stadium like Neyland stadium

    Actually, they sold out M&T Bank Stadium, and are in the process of selling out Foxboro this year.

  • Jason L | November 26, 2007 at 12:56 pm |

    I’m kind of wondering why people who frequent a site discussing the extreme minutiae of sports uniforms are talking smack about a sport because it’s too obscure.

    If we can have entire threads talking about someone missing a flag sticker from a helmet, then I think we can certainly talk about a sport that’s extremely popular in some circles (and is one of the few truly original American sports).

    Meanwhile, I can’t believe that my first post here was defending lacrosse, of all things.

  • Rich | November 26, 2007 at 12:59 pm |

    I will go to my grave believing that LT is faking whatever affliction is allowing him to wear that tinted visor. If he so sensetive, why is his helmut off whenever he is on the sidelines.

    Stay classy, LT!!

  • J | November 26, 2007 at 1:00 pm |

    although the logo itself was revealed here quite a while ago, the Mets unveiled the “Salute to Shea” logo and initiative today
    http://newyork.mets....

  • DrBear | November 26, 2007 at 1:03 pm |

    On Raymond Berry’s goggles – I remember reading as a young boy (The NFL Punt, Pass and Kick Library!) that Berry only used the goggles in certain stadiums, notably Kezar in San Fran and the L.A. Memorial Coliseum. Both if I remember correctly are laid out east-west and the sun was more of a problem there than in most other places.

  • Kevin | November 26, 2007 at 1:17 pm |

    Interesting pictures here. Midwest City wore gold shoes (presumably spray painted) but it still wasn’t enough to stop Jenks who will be playing for their 12th State Championship in Oklahoma 6A football.

    http://www.jenkstroj...

  • Ash | November 26, 2007 at 1:23 pm |

    I don’t think QBs should be allowed to wear gloves on their throwing hands. But more and more QBs are doing it.

    I’ve noticed that Ben Roethlisberger only seems to wear a glove on his non-throwing hand. I’m sure other quarterbacks do this too but I didn’t find any in a brief search.

  • xyz | November 26, 2007 at 1:23 pm |

    Paul,
    That Packers mask is made out of stainless steel by Riddell. In the mid 70’s Riddell tried to copy some of the Schutt masks but with little success as most teams stayed with Schutt (steel) or Dunguard (aluminum).

  • josh's twin | November 26, 2007 at 1:27 pm |

    if chris long’s jersey was retired by uva just this saturday, why did it take an entire nfl career (and a hall of fame one at that) by tiki barber to get his retired as well that day?

    what am i missing?

    here’s the story:

    jersey retirement is a new level of recognition at Virginia to honor players who have significantly impacted the program and Long and Barber are the first football players to be honored in this way…individuals recognized in this way will have their jerseys retired, but their number will remain active.

    last november the UVa athletics department retired the jersey of basketball player Curtis Staples during the halftime ceremonies of the opening of John Paul Jones Arena.

    six virginia players have had their uniform numbers retired and those numbers will not be worn again…those numbers honor the most decorated players in the program’s history, including Jim Dombrowski (73), Bill Dudley (35), Gene Edmonds (97), Shawn Moore (12), Joe Palumbo (48) and Frank Quayle (24).

    This reminds me of something I posted on several weeks ago. I’m not sure if it’s to sell tickets, or create buzz, or what, but it seems that teams are creating more lax standards for number retirement than in previous generations, and as numbers cycle, older players get the shaft.

    For years Rod Gilbert’s #7 was the only retired Ranger. After Phil Esposito retired, (like anyone was going to wear #77 anyway) the Rangers began retiring numbers.

    Recently, the Rangers retired #2 for Brian Leetch, and while I take nothing away from leetch, because he was a great player, #2 was worn with equal, if not greater distinction by Brad Park a generation earlier. Because of shifting standards, #2 is Leetch’s for all time, and Brad Park gets bubkas. Sick and wrong.

  • Tim | November 26, 2007 at 1:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”177271″]Tim…regarding Winslow.

    He had the stripes, they were just lower and obscured in the photo. I was in the Dawg Pound and had a few good looks at em.

    also, I have a friend who works for Riddell. Last week Winslow wore a Revolution for the first time which he ditched this week for the standard Ridell helmet. He used to wear a Schutt model but now uses Ridell. I think the standard helmet could be because of the throwbacks, but since he only wore the Revo for one week, we won’t know until Sunday.[/quote]

    I thought it might have been because of the throwbacks also, but then i noticed Heiden wearing the Schutt Ion (which he wore last week also). I guess the announcers in the BAL game mentioned Winslow was wearing the Revo because of the physical Ravens D.

    Anyways, about K2’s stripes…here’s another pic, i dont see any stripes…
    http://sports.yahoo....

    He wears black tape over his shoes and ankles, and leaves a little bit of white tape showing. Seen here.
    http://sports.yahoo....

    Maybe that’s the stripe you saw?

  • spencer096 | November 26, 2007 at 1:39 pm |

    tim…

    Checked out a few more pics. you were right. i guess i was thinking the sock was the stripe and his socks were below the tape. good call.

  • Jack | November 26, 2007 at 1:43 pm |

    I dont understand why this turned into a debate about lacrosse, or why i’m defending it, i think paul will see that the quirks involving Lax uniforms are pretty noteworthy. I mean 5 different styles of helmet! What other sport has that?

  • Tim | November 26, 2007 at 1:52 pm |

    spencer,
    Here’s the money shot….
    http://assets.housto...

    All sock or tape. I thought he might have went ‘small stripe’ but i knew i didnt see anything prominent.

    Isnt it nice to be splitting hairs over stuff like this instead of talking about who’s going to be the QB. They’re 7-4!!!

  • Slam | November 26, 2007 at 1:54 pm |

    Hockey also has a multitude of helmet styles.

  • David | November 26, 2007 at 1:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”177218″]Still wondering what the font was — I know we must have typographic nerds who crossover here.

    I’m thinking Futura.[/quote]

    The 5 is close to Futura, but the six is completely different. Notice the 6 on the Browns’ helmets curves down at the top…Futura’s 6 doesn’t curve. I’ve looked through all the fonts I have on my computer, and the closest I can find (which is still off) is Prestige Elite. It’s the only I’ve found with the I haven’t found a 4 on one of the throwback helmets, but the 4 in this font looks strange, so I doubt it corresponds in that way. It’s probably some custom font anyway.

  • furrymunsters | November 26, 2007 at 2:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”177344″]if chris long’s jersey was retired by uva just this saturday, why did it take an entire nfl career (and a hall of fame one at that) by tiki barber to get his retired as well that day?

    what am i missing?

    here’s the story:

    jersey retirement is a new level of recognition at Virginia to honor players who have significantly impacted the program and Long and Barber are the first football players to be honored in this way…individuals recognized in this way will have their jerseys retired, but their number will remain active.

    last november the UVa athletics department retired the jersey of basketball player Curtis Staples during the halftime ceremonies of the opening of John Paul Jones Arena.

    six virginia players have had their uniform numbers retired and those numbers will not be worn again…those numbers honor the most decorated players in the program’s history, including Jim Dombrowski (73), Bill Dudley (35), Gene Edmonds (97), Shawn Moore (12), Joe Palumbo (48) and Frank Quayle (24).

    This reminds me of something I posted on several weeks ago. I’m not sure if it’s to sell tickets, or create buzz, or what, but it seems that teams are creating more lax standards for number retirement than in previous generations, and as numbers cycle, older players get the shaft.

    For years Rod Gilbert’s #7 was the only retired Ranger. After Phil Esposito retired, (like anyone was going to wear #77 anyway) the Rangers began retiring numbers.

    Recently, the Rangers retired #2 for Brian Leetch, and while I take nothing away from leetch, because he was a great player, #2 was worn with equal, if not greater distinction by Brad Park a generation earlier. Because of shifting standards, #2 is Leetch’s for all time, and Brad Park gets bubkas. Sick and wrong.[/quote]
    While I agree with you about Brad Park, Leetch did win a cup with the Rangers after 54 years.

  • Stuby | November 26, 2007 at 2:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”177344″]if chris long’s jersey was retired by uva just this saturday, why did it take an entire nfl career (and a hall of fame one at that) by tiki barber to get his retired as well that day?

    what am i missing?

    here’s the story:

    jersey retirement is a new level of recognition at Virginia to honor players who have significantly impacted the program and Long and Barber are the first football players to be honored in this way…individuals recognized in this way will have their jerseys retired, but their number will remain active.

    last november the UVa athletics department retired the jersey of basketball player Curtis Staples during the halftime ceremonies of the opening of John Paul Jones Arena.

    six virginia players have had their uniform numbers retired and those numbers will not be worn again…those numbers honor the most decorated players in the program’s history, including Jim Dombrowski (73), Bill Dudley (35), Gene Edmonds (97), Shawn Moore (12), Joe Palumbo (48) and Frank Quayle (24).

    This reminds me of something I posted on several weeks ago. I’m not sure if it’s to sell tickets, or create buzz, or what, but it seems that teams are creating more lax standards for number retirement than in previous generations, and as numbers cycle, older players get the shaft.

    For years Rod Gilbert’s #7 was the only retired Ranger. After Phil Esposito retired, (like anyone was going to wear #77 anyway) the Rangers began retiring numbers.

    Recently, the Rangers retired #2 for Brian Leetch, and while I take nothing away from leetch, because he was a great player, #2 was worn with equal, if not greater distinction by Brad Park a generation earlier. Because of shifting standards, #2 is Leetch’s for all time, and Brad Park gets bubkas. Sick and wrong.[/quote]
    Teams obviously have different criteria for retiring numbers. Some have a Hall of Fame requirement (SF Giants, Red Sox), and some will retire numbers of guys who only play a few years with them (Devil Rays, Padres). Some teams, like the Raiders, don’t retire numbers at all (so you get Todd Marinovich wearing Kenny Stabler’s #12 – a travesty). I don’t know what the Rangers requirements are, but it does seem kind of random sometimes.

    One thing I hate, though, is retiring a ‘jersey’ instead of retiring a number, meaning the number is still in circulation. How noncommittal is that?

  • Philly Bill | November 26, 2007 at 2:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”177374″]Some have a Hall of Fame requirement (SF Giants, Red Sox)…[/quote]

    So #25 will remain in circulation in San Francisco for the foreseeable future, evidently.

  • josh's twin | November 26, 2007 at 2:11 pm |

    if chris long’s jersey was retired by uva just this saturday, why did it take an entire nfl career (and a hall of fame one at that) by tiki barber to get his retired as well that day?

    what am i missing?

    here’s the story:

    jersey retirement is a new level of recognition at Virginia to honor players who have significantly impacted the program and Long and Barber are the first football players to be honored in this way…individuals recognized in this way will have their jerseys retired, but their number will remain active.

    last november the UVa athletics department retired the jersey of basketball player Curtis Staples during the halftime ceremonies of the opening of John Paul Jones Arena.

    six virginia players have had their uniform numbers retired and those numbers will not be worn again…those numbers honor the most decorated players in the program’s history, including Jim Dombrowski (73), Bill Dudley (35), Gene Edmonds (97), Shawn Moore (12), Joe Palumbo (48) and Frank Quayle (24).

    This reminds me of something I posted on several weeks ago. I’m not sure if it’s to sell tickets, or create buzz, or what, but it seems that teams are creating more lax standards for number retirement than in previous generations, and as numbers cycle, older players get the shaft.

    For years Rod Gilbert’s #7 was the only retired Ranger. After Phil Esposito retired, (like anyone was going to wear #77 anyway) the Rangers began retiring numbers.

    Recently, the Rangers retired #2 for Brian Leetch, and while I take nothing away from leetch, because he was a great player, #2 was worn with equal, if not greater distinction by Brad Park a generation earlier. Because of shifting standards, #2 is Leetch’s for all time, and Brad Park gets bubkas. Sick and wrong.

    While I agree with you about Brad Park, Leetch did win a cup with the Rangers after 54 years.

    So did Stephane Matteau. Is that the standard?

  • todd krevanchi | November 26, 2007 at 2:13 pm |

    compared to barbers accomplishments, chris long’s are quite pedestrian. i cant see the comparison…

  • Neil | November 26, 2007 at 2:17 pm |

    This reminds me of something I posted on several weeks ago. I’m not sure if it’s to sell tickets, or create buzz, or what, but it seems that teams are creating more lax standards for number retirement than in previous generations, and as numbers cycle, older players get the shaft.

    For years Rod Gilbert’s #7 was the only retired Ranger. After Phil Esposito retired, (like anyone was going to wear #77 anyway) the Rangers began retiring numbers.

    Recently, the Rangers retired #2 for Brian Leetch, and while I take nothing away from leetch, because he was a great player, #2 was worn with equal, if not greater distinction by Brad Park a generation earlier. Because of shifting standards, #2 is Leetch’s for all time, and Brad Park gets bubkas. Sick and wrong.[/quote]

    I think hockey actually has some standards when it comes to retiring numbers. Park played 7 seasons and a bit of an 8th for the Rangers and won no post-season awards. Leetch played 17 seasons for the Rangers. Calder Trophy, Norris Trophy (2x) and Conn Smythe. And, oh yeah, the Stanley Cup. I never thought Park should’ve been traded to Boston, and if he hadn’t been, I’ll bet the #2 would already be in the rafters and we’d be retiring a different # for Leetch.

  • Shane | November 26, 2007 at 2:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”177316″]I posted this in the comments on Saturday, and it apparently went unnoticed.

    During the first half of the Derby County/Chelsea game on Saturday, there was a player for Derby on the pitch without a name or number on his back. I’ve only been able to find one photo that has him in it. Also, check out the unis for Chelsea in the picture, that’s the first time I’ve seen the monochromatic look with that jersey. Most times I’ve seen them (they are new for this season), they have black shorts.

    Here’s the photo I was talking about with the nameless, numberless guy in it. The problem was corrected at halftime becuase there were no subs at half or a guy without a name and number on his back.

    http://www.premierle...,,12306~3476868,00.jpg[/quote]

    I didn’t notice that because I only saw a few minutes of the game, but my guess is that the player had gotten blood on his shirt and had to put on a spare. I remember it happening to someone from Man United last season (either Ryan Giggs or Cristiano Ronaldo), and they wore a NNOB #50 shirt for the rest of the half.

    What I did notice is that Chelsea’s aways are pretty much the same color as the EPL’s winter ball. How is that legal? Nevermind that day-glo yellow should only be worn by construction workers. Bleh.

  • LI Phil | November 26, 2007 at 2:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”177381″] Nevermind that day-glo yellow should only be worn by construction workers. Bleh.[/quote]

    or ducks

  • nomuskles | November 26, 2007 at 2:24 pm |

    Last night’s game between Villanova and NC State (which seemed to be a thriller) featured a player with no name on the back of his jersey for Villanova. He did have a cut above his eye, so maybe he had bloodied his primary jersey and had to wear a replacement. Not sure.

    I believe the player in question was was Dante Cunningham, and he usually wears #33. However, when I saw the game, he was sporting #31 with no name.

    I can’t seem to find a picture. Anyone else see that?

  • Marty Met | November 26, 2007 at 2:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”177318″]if chris long’s jersey was retired by uva just this saturday, why did it take an entire nfl career (and a hall of fame one at that) by tiki barber to get his retired as well that day?

    what am i missing?[/quote]

    because Tiki is a loud moth egomaniac.

  • Jack Krabbe | November 26, 2007 at 2:25 pm |

    Did LT have another different helmet on Sunday vs. the Ravens?

  • Jack Krabbe | November 26, 2007 at 2:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”177389″]Did LT have another different helmet on Sunday vs. the Ravens? [/quote]

    http://signonsandieg...

  • Seth H | November 26, 2007 at 2:28 pm |

    Recently, the Rangers retired #2 for Brian Leetch, and while I take nothing away from leetch, because he was a great player, #2 was worn with equal, if not greater distinction by Brad Park a generation earlier. Because of shifting standards, #2 is Leetch’s for all time, and Brad Park gets bubkas. Sick and wrong.

    Leetch’s number is not retired yet. It will be retired on January 24, 2008.

    And let me echo the sentiments of those who have pointed out that that there is quite a difference between Leetch, one of the top-3 US-born NHL players of all time, with all of his achievements with the Rangers, and Brad Park. Leetch is #2 all time in games with the Rangers, #2 in points, #9 in goals, #1 in assists.

  • dm00n | November 26, 2007 at 2:32 pm |

    More shades:

    Image link

    April 27, 1912: Sam Crawford chases a fly ball in the sun at Navin Field. Note the early form of sunglasses Crawford is sporting. ‘Wahoo’ Sam got his nickname from the town of Wahoo, Neb., where he was born in 1880. He batted .325 in 1912, but was overshadowed by teammate Ty Cobb and his major league-leading .410 average. Crawford is tops all-time in triples (312) and inside-the-park home runs (51).

    – Detroit News

  • spencer096 | November 26, 2007 at 2:33 pm |

    Tim…it absolutely is, and I couldn’t be happier and the throwbacks were absolutely gorgeous yesterday.

  • josh's twin | November 26, 2007 at 2:38 pm |

    Recently, the Rangers retired #2 for Brian Leetch, and while I take nothing away from leetch, because he was a great player, #2 was worn with equal, if not greater distinction by Brad Park a generation earlier. Because of shifting standards, #2 is Leetch’s for all time, and Brad Park gets bubkas. Sick and wrong.

    Leetch’s number is not retired yet. It will be retired on January 24, 2008.

    And let me echo the sentiments of those who have pointed out that that there is quite a difference between Leetch, one of the top-3 US-born NHL players of all time, with all of his achievements with the Rangers, and Brad Park. Leetch is #2 all time in games with the Rangers, #2 in points, #9 in goals, #1 in assists.

    My point was not to compare Leetch to Park, it was to point out that if the Rangers are retiring numbers, Brad Park deserves it. Maybe Brian Leetch should have worn #3. If the Yankees can retire #8 twice, why not the Rangers and #2?

  • Brian from Short Island | November 26, 2007 at 2:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”177320″][quote comment=”177319″]People used to say that about football back in the 1920s.[/quote]

    people still say it about soccer[/quote]
    US vs. Mexico sells out football stadiums wherever you put it. (Most recently Cardinals Stadium in February)

    The MLS Cup final (at DC, a neutral site for the Houston v. New England matchup) drew 40,000

    Red Bulls v. Los Angeles sold 65,000 tickets.

    And these attendance figures are for the 4th or 5th sport in America. Look at it around the world, where soccer dominates and lacrosse is nowhere to be seen.

    Get a grip, lacrosse will never even approach soccer.

  • Marty Met | November 26, 2007 at 2:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”177396″]Recently, the Rangers retired #2 for Brian Leetch, and while I take nothing away from leetch, because he was a great player, #2 was worn with equal, if not greater distinction by Brad Park a generation earlier. Because of shifting standards, #2 is Leetch’s for all time, and Brad Park gets bubkas. Sick and wrong.

    Leetch’s number is not retired yet. It will be retired on January 24, 2008.

    And let me echo the sentiments of those who have pointed out that that there is quite a difference between Leetch, one of the top-3 US-born NHL players of all time, with all of his achievements with the Rangers, and Brad Park. Leetch is #2 all time in games with the Rangers, #2 in points, #9 in goals, #1 in assists.

    My point was not to compare Leetch to Park, it was to point out that if the Rangers are retiring numbers, Brad Park deserves it. Maybe Brian Leetch should have worn #3. If the Yankees can retire #8 twice, why not the Rangers and #2?[/quote]

    Because the Rangers and (Rangers fans) only remember 1994. Nothing that happened before and nothing that has happened since.

  • LI Phil | November 26, 2007 at 2:52 pm |

    what about teams that retire a number of a player who never even PLAYED for that team?

    im thinking #42 & #99

  • Kerry P | November 26, 2007 at 2:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”177357″]I dont understand why this turned into a debate about lacrosse, or why i’m defending it, i think paul will see that the quirks involving Lax uniforms are pretty noteworthy. I mean 5 different styles of helmet! What other sport has that?[/quote]
    I’m totally with you. Whether you think the sport is terrible or not, why should that affect the coverage of lacrosse unis/equipment on this site. Obviously everyone has their “comfort zones” and Paul may not pay attention to lacrosse that much. But I’m sure if people can submit him information on very unique or groundbreaking uni designs he would be more than happy to include it in his ticker and maybe, one day, devote a full entry to the sport.

    Personally, I LOVE seeing the different helmets and how they are decorated…that’s what I look at most on football unis and that’s why I LOVE college hockey. Their helmets are much better looking than the NHL.

  • Thorold Blair | November 26, 2007 at 2:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”177331″]I’m kind of wondering why people who frequent a site discussing the extreme minutiae of sports uniforms are talking smack about a sport because it’s too obscure.

    If we can have entire threads talking about someone missing a flag sticker from a helmet, then I think we can certainly talk about a sport that’s extremely popular in some circles (and is one of the few truly original American sports).

    Meanwhile, I can’t believe that my first post here was defending lacrosse, of all things.[/quote]

    Did you just refer to lacrosse as an original American sport??

  • Kek | November 26, 2007 at 2:58 pm |

    Because the Rangers and (Rangers fans) only remember 1994. Nothing that happened before and nothing that has happened since.[/quote]

    That’s because nothing HAS happened before or since ’94!!!!!

  • Jeff P | November 26, 2007 at 3:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”177357″]I dont understand why this turned into a debate about lacrosse, or why i’m defending it, i think paul will see that the quirks involving Lax uniforms are pretty noteworthy. I mean 5 different styles of helmet! What other sport has that?[/quote]
    Hockey. different brands make different styles, and there are several brands. RBK, Bauer, CCM, now Easton, Warrior…. The differences aren’t incredibly noticeable, but they’re there.

    I consider Football strange in that it has so few…

  • LI Phil | November 26, 2007 at 3:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”177404″]Did you just refer to lacrosse as an original American sport??[/quote]

    native american that is

    /did you just question his fanhood in front of the ladies?

  • todd krevanchi | November 26, 2007 at 3:03 pm |

    although it was in a different era, i believe the cosmos averaged mid 40’s in attendance per game for about 5 years during the height of their popularity…
    pretty significant numbers…

  • Thorold Blair | November 26, 2007 at 3:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”177407″][quote comment=”177404″]Did you just refer to lacrosse as an original American sport??[/quote]

    native american that is

    /did you just question his fanhood in front of the ladies?[/quote]

    If by native american you mean Canadian… then ok.

  • MLB2PDX | November 26, 2007 at 3:03 pm |

    This coming Saturday the nation will see the ugliest football game ever. Literally. The Civil War…Oregon State at Oregon. The two worst uniforms in the history of sports (well, close). On top of that, both teams are decimated by injuries and the play will be horrible. Oregon wins 6-3. In a game like back in the 80’s when the winner got to two wins that season…

    (this has been a hard end of the season to watch as a Duck fan)

  • dgc | November 26, 2007 at 3:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”177402″]what about teams that retire a number of a player who never even PLAYED for that team?

    im thinking #42 & #99[/quote]

    Teams didn’t have a choice on those two numbers.

    My problem are unofficial retired, not even honored, numbers. What exactly are the Redskins waiting for? They must have a dozen or so (only Sammy Baugh’s 33 is retired) numbers that they won’t reuse.

  • C.N. | November 26, 2007 at 3:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”177330″]yea, i was at that ut/vandy game to, and there was way more people at that game then there will ever be at some lacrosse game. If the university of Tennessee only sold 44,000 tickets for a game, that stadium would look empty, but im sure that 44,00 fills up a lacrosse stadium.

    Lacrosse will NEVER be a major sport in America, and will never sell out a huge stadium like Neyland stadium

    Actually, they sold out M&T Bank Stadium, and are in the process of selling out Foxboro this year.[/quote]

    I watched that game in Baltimore last year. If they really did sell out, as you said they did, there were a LOT of empty seats. Any proof they actually sold out M&T?

  • Mike | November 26, 2007 at 3:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”177404″][quote comment=”177331″]I’m kind of wondering why people who frequent a site discussing the extreme minutiae of sports uniforms are talking smack about a sport because it’s too obscure.

    If we can have entire threads talking about someone missing a flag sticker from a helmet, then I think we can certainly talk about a sport that’s extremely popular in some circles (and is one of the few truly original American sports).

    Meanwhile, I can’t believe that my first post here was defending lacrosse, of all things.[/quote]

    Did you just refer to lacrosse as an original American sport??[/quote]
    A version of it was played by Native Americans before the europeans came with all their manifest destiny. So I guess you could say it is THE original American sport.

  • Thorold Blair | November 26, 2007 at 3:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”177415″][quote comment=”177404″][quote comment=”177331″]I’m kind of wondering why people who frequent a site discussing the extreme minutiae of sports uniforms are talking smack about a sport because it’s too obscure.

    If we can have entire threads talking about someone missing a flag sticker from a helmet, then I think we can certainly talk about a sport that’s extremely popular in some circles (and is one of the few truly original American sports).

    Meanwhile, I can’t believe that my first post here was defending lacrosse, of all things.[/quote]

    Did you just refer to lacrosse as an original American sport??[/quote]
    A version of it was played by Native Americans before the europeans came with all their manifest destiny. So I guess you could say it is THE original American sport.[/quote]

    Did you just say “American” sport?

  • Kerry P | November 26, 2007 at 3:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”177411″][quote comment=”177407″][quote comment=”177404″]Did you just refer to lacrosse as an original American sport??[/quote]

    native american that is

    /did you just question his fanhood in front of the ladies?[/quote]

    If by native american you mean Canadian… then ok.[/quote]
    The game was invented by Native North Americans and then named lacrosse by French missionaries. In the 1830’s a French doctor codified the game, shortened the length of the game and reduced the number of on-field players to 10 per team.

    Lacrosse

  • Mike | November 26, 2007 at 3:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”177416″][quote comment=”177415″][quote comment=”177404″][quote comment=”177331″]I’m kind of wondering why people who frequent a site discussing the extreme minutiae of sports uniforms are talking smack about a sport because it’s too obscure.

    If we can have entire threads talking about someone missing a flag sticker from a helmet, then I think we can certainly talk about a sport that’s extremely popular in some circles (and is one of the few truly original American sports).

    Meanwhile, I can’t believe that my first post here was defending lacrosse, of all things.[/quote]

    Did you just refer to lacrosse as an original American sport??[/quote]
    A version of it was played by Native Americans before the europeans came with all their manifest destiny. So I guess you could say it is THE original American sport.[/quote]

    Did you just say “American” sport?[/quote]
    Haha, well it is the national summer sport of Canada too. So the classic NORTH AMERICAN sport. That please you, Thorold?

  • LI Phil | November 26, 2007 at 3:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”177416″]Did you just say “American” sport?[/quote]

    /does your fanhood need questioning?

  • Thorold Blair | November 26, 2007 at 3:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”177418″][quote comment=”177416″][quote comment=”177415″][quote comment=”177404″][quote comment=”177331″]I’m kind of wondering why people who frequent a site discussing the extreme minutiae of sports uniforms are talking smack about a sport because it’s too obscure.

    If we can have entire threads talking about someone missing a flag sticker from a helmet, then I think we can certainly talk about a sport that’s extremely popular in some circles (and is one of the few truly original American sports).

    Meanwhile, I can’t believe that my first post here was defending lacrosse, of all things.[/quote]

    Did you just refer to lacrosse as an original American sport??[/quote]
    A version of it was played by Native Americans before the europeans came with all their manifest destiny. So I guess you could say it is THE original American sport.[/quote]

    Did you just say “American” sport?[/quote]
    Haha, well it is the national summer sport of Canada too. So the classic NORTH AMERICAN sport. That please you, Thorold?[/quote]

    I just love the American way of trying to stake claim to darn near everything sports related. But yes.. it does. Thanks

  • Jim | November 26, 2007 at 3:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”177420″][quote comment=”177418″][quote comment=”177416″][quote comment=”177415″][quote comment=”177404″][quote comment=”177331″]I’m kind of wondering why people who frequent a site discussing the extreme minutiae of sports uniforms are talking smack about a sport because it’s too obscure.

    If we can have entire threads talking about someone missing a flag sticker from a helmet, then I think we can certainly talk about a sport that’s extremely popular in some circles (and is one of the few truly original American sports).

    Meanwhile, I can’t believe that my first post here was defending lacrosse, of all things.[/quote]

    Did you just refer to lacrosse as an original American sport??[/quote]
    A version of it was played by Native Americans before the europeans came with all their manifest destiny. So I guess you could say it is THE original American sport.[/quote]

    Did you just say “American” sport?[/quote]
    Haha, well it is the national summer sport of Canada too. So the classic NORTH AMERICAN sport. That please you, Thorold?[/quote]

    I just love the American way of trying to stake claim to darn near everything sports related. But yes.. it does. Thanks[/quote]
    Hey, I’m Alaskan…definitely identify more with Canada more then the lower 48, eh?

  • Chance | November 26, 2007 at 3:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”177326″]
    jersey retirement is a new level of recognition at Virginia to honor players who have significantly impacted the program and Long and Barber are the first football players to be honored in this way…individuals recognized in this way will have their jerseys retired, but their number will remain active.
    [/quote]

    The NFL did that for a while. It’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard.

  • JD | November 26, 2007 at 3:25 pm |

    #106, 107: Your link didn’t work for me, but it looked to me like LT had on the same helmet as always:
    http://assets.espn.g...

  • Marty Met | November 26, 2007 at 3:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”177405″]Because the Rangers and (Rangers fans) only remember 1994. Nothing that happened before and nothing that has happened since.[/quote]

    That’s because nothing HAS happened before or since ’94!!!!![/quote]

    Nothing except for 3 cups on my side of the river.

  • C.N. | November 26, 2007 at 3:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”177413″][quote comment=”177330″]yea, i was at that ut/vandy game to, and there was way more people at that game then there will ever be at some lacrosse game. If the university of Tennessee only sold 44,000 tickets for a game, that stadium would look empty, but im sure that 44,00 fills up a lacrosse stadium.

    Lacrosse will NEVER be a major sport in America, and will never sell out a huge stadium like Neyland stadium

    Actually, they sold out M&T Bank Stadium, and are in the process of selling out Foxboro this year.[/quote]

    I watched that game in Baltimore last year. If they really did sell out, as you said they did, there were a LOT of empty seats. Any proof they actually sold out M&T?[/quote]

    At about 4:35 of this video you can see that at the critical juncture of the game, the entire upper deck at the stadium is empty. Doesn’t look sold out.

    http://youtube.com/w...

  • Jimbo | November 26, 2007 at 3:27 pm |

    This may have been covered earlier, but does anyone have any photos of when the Browns were to have worn the throwbacks orginally? Alledgedly they wore them from ’57-’60, but i can’t find any pics of them wearing them in a game.

  • Broker75 | November 26, 2007 at 3:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”177424″][quote comment=”177405″]Because the Rangers and (Rangers fans) only remember 1994. Nothing that happened before and nothing that has happened since.[/quote]

    That’s because nothing HAS happened before or since ’94!!!!![/quote]

    Nothing except for 3 cups on my side of the river.[/quote]
    Devils?

  • Shane | November 26, 2007 at 3:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”177265″][quote comment=”177189″]While researching something else, I came across this photo from the 1959 NFL title game. Take a look at Jim Patton (No. 20) — the “2″ on his helmet appears to be backwards.

    Also, #70 (‘fraid I don’t know the name. You’ll have to excuse a “soccer” fan) has different 7’s from his back to the television-numbers.[/quote]

    #70 is sam huff. sam works in the redskins radio booth with larry michael and sonny jurgensen.

    notice too on the 1959 giants sleeve numbers how they bleed into the sleeve stripes.

    and…..i love ALL sports!![/quote]

    Ah, yes, I know Sam Huff. All right, so I wasn’t as bad off as I thought.

  • subway | November 26, 2007 at 3:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”177424″][quote comment=”177405″]Because the Rangers and (Rangers fans) only remember 1994. Nothing that happened before and nothing that has happened since.[/quote]

    That’s because nothing HAS happened before or since ’94!!!!![/quote]

    Nothing except for 3 cups on my side of the river.[/quote]
    Don’t the Mets and Rangers play on the same side of the river?

  • Rick | November 26, 2007 at 3:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”177410″]This coming Saturday the nation will see the ugliest football game ever. Literally. The Civil War…Oregon State at Oregon. The two worst uniforms in the history of sports (well, close). On top of that, both teams are decimated by injuries and the play will be horrible. Oregon wins 6-3. In a game like back in the 80’s when the winner got to two wins that season…

    (this has been a hard end of the season to watch as a Duck fan)[/quote]

    If Oregon’s gonna win, it’ll probably have to be 4-3.

  • Nicole | November 26, 2007 at 3:37 pm |

    MMMMM Salt Lick! Make sure you buy some bottles of sauce to take home with you! I actually have a friend send me some each month!

  • Marty Met | November 26, 2007 at 3:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”177430″][quote comment=”177424″][quote comment=”177405″]Because the Rangers and (Rangers fans) only remember 1994. Nothing that happened before and nothing that has happened since.[/quote]

    That’s because nothing HAS happened before or since ’94!!!!![/quote]

    Nothing except for 3 cups on my side of the river.[/quote]
    Don’t the Mets and Rangers play on the same side of the river?[/quote]

    the Devils don’t.

  • LI Phil | November 26, 2007 at 3:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”177430″]Don’t the Mets and Rangers play on the same side of the river?[/quote]

    the mets play on long island

    the rangers play between the hudson (the river to which marty is referring) and the east rivers

  • Broker75 | November 26, 2007 at 3:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”177434″][quote comment=”177430″]Don’t the Mets and Rangers play on the same side of the river?[/quote]

    the mets play on long island

    the rangers play between the hudson (the river to which marty is referring) and the east rivers[/quote]
    The Mets play on Long Island? Don’t they play in Queens?

  • Anthony Verna | November 26, 2007 at 3:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”177318″]if chris long’s jersey was retired by uva just this saturday, why did it take an entire nfl career (and a hall of fame one at that) by tiki barber to get his retired as well that day?

    what am i missing?[/quote]

    Besides Tiki not having a hall-of-fame career or being smug and self-centered? Beats me. :)

  • wall of beef | November 26, 2007 at 3:47 pm |

    Nothing makes you look more like a meathead when you claim sports like Soccer or Lacrosse are boring. Especially if you think Baseball is exciting.

    Just because you don’t LIKE the sport, has nothing to do with the amount of Action. Baseball features the least amount of action I can think of right now in sports outside of Bowling or Golf.

    Just admit you don’t understand the game, and what exactly makes it exciting. I guearantee Soccer fans have a lot more to stand on when it comes to excitment/boring arguments when comparing Baseball/Soccer.

  • Kerry P | November 26, 2007 at 3:48 pm |

    I don’t know about everyone else, but I think that THESE would be a huge improvement over THESE.

  • Danny | November 26, 2007 at 3:48 pm |

    I go to UVA and can attest that Chris Long is viewed as some sort of immortal. I have to admit that after watching him for two years, he is the most dominating defensive lineman I have seen in person. He does it all, and is extremely involved with the student section. Was the ceremony a little premature? Probably, but he is the best player to come through here since Tiki.

    Also, the Heat have 23 retired for His Airness. Kind of funny because it isn’t a league wide thing. Riles felt it was necessary.

  • C.N. | November 26, 2007 at 3:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”177443″][quote comment=”177434″][quote comment=”177430″]Don’t the Mets and Rangers play on the same side of the river?[/quote]

    the mets play on long island

    the rangers play between the hudson (the river to which marty is referring) and the east rivers[/quote]
    The Mets play on Long Island? Don’t they play in Queens?[/quote]

    yes, they do

  • LI Phil | November 26, 2007 at 3:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”177443″]The Mets play on Long Island? Don’t they play in Queens?[/quote]

    last i checked, queens (flushing to be precise) was still on long island

  • Anthony Verna | November 26, 2007 at 3:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”177443″][quote comment=”177434″][quote comment=”177430″]Don’t the Mets and Rangers play on the same side of the river?[/quote]

    the mets play on long island

    the rangers play between the hudson (the river to which marty is referring) and the east rivers[/quote]
    The Mets play on Long Island? Don’t they play in Queens?[/quote]

    The borough of Queens is on the land mass called Long Island. In common parlance “Long Island” means Nassau or Suffolk Counties in New York State, but Brooklyn and Queens are also on that land mass.

  • adam | November 26, 2007 at 4:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”177188″]SHOULD HAVE PUT THIS WITH POST NUMBER ONE:

    I haven’t seen so much disparity in equipment as there is in the sport of Lacrosse. There is at least 5 different styles of helmets being used in Division one alone! Check it out:

    Duke in the Brine Triumph and Hopkins in the Cascade CPX

    Virginia in the Gait Identity

    Ohio State in the Warrior Viking (Note the Buckeye Pride Stickers)

    Michigan in the Riddell Revolution

    Also, I know that UniWatch’s writers will have a soft spot in their hearts for these socks. Calf high socks have long been the trademark of stylish Lacrosse players.

    Salisbury

    Cornell

    These are just gaudy! UMass[/quote]

  • adam | November 26, 2007 at 4:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”177188″]SHOULD HAVE PUT THIS WITH POST NUMBER ONE:

    I haven’t seen so much disparity in equipment as there is in the sport of Lacrosse. There is at least 5 different styles of helmets being used in Division one alone! Check it out:

    Duke in the Brine Triumph and Hopkins in the Cascade CPX

    Virginia in the Gait Identity

    Ohio State in the Warrior Viking (Note the Buckeye Pride Stickers)

    Michigan in the Riddell Revolution

    Also, I know that UniWatch’s writers will have a soft spot in their hearts for these socks. Calf high socks have long been the trademark of stylish Lacrosse players.

    Salisbury

    Cornell

    These are just gaudy! UMass[/quote]

    Those UMass uni’s are at least 5 years old, probably older. Those are the same tube socks they give you at the gym here when you get a locker.

  • Broker75 | November 26, 2007 at 4:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”177450″][quote comment=”177443″]The Mets play on Long Island? Don’t they play in Queens?[/quote]

    last i checked, queens (flushing to be precise) was still on long island[/quote]
    Queens politically is part of New York City, though geographically they are on the island. so quit going in circles..

  • adam | November 26, 2007 at 4:06 pm |

    players dont even really wear high socks anymore. I don’t know if it has to do with the fact that we recently switched to Adidas.

  • LI Phil | November 26, 2007 at 4:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”177458″]Those UMass uni’s are at least 5 years old, probably older. Those are the same tube socks they give you at the gym here when you get a locker.[/quote]

    or that my HS lax team was wearing in 1982

    /just sayin’

  • Marty Met | November 26, 2007 at 4:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”177460″][quote comment=”177450″][quote comment=”177443″]The Mets play on Long Island? Don’t they play in Queens?[/quote]

    last i checked, queens (flushing to be precise) was still on long island[/quote]
    Queens politically is part of New York City, though geographically they are on the island. so quit going in circles..[/quote]

    it still doesn’t change the fact that the Rangers win the cup once every 60 years.

  • Josh Petty | November 26, 2007 at 4:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”177381″][quote comment=”177316″]I posted this in the comments on Saturday, and it apparently went unnoticed.

    During the first half of the Derby County/Chelsea game on Saturday, there was a player for Derby on the pitch without a name or number on his back. I’ve only been able to find one photo that has him in it. Also, check out the unis for Chelsea in the picture, that’s the first time I’ve seen the monochromatic look with that jersey. Most times I’ve seen them (they are new for this season), they have black shorts.

    Here’s the photo I was talking about with the nameless, numberless guy in it. The problem was corrected at halftime becuase there were no subs at half or a guy without a name and number on his back.

    http://www.premierle...,,12306~3476868,00.jpg[/quote]

    I didn’t notice that because I only saw a few minutes of the game, but my guess is that the player had gotten blood on his shirt and had to put on a spare. I remember it happening to someone from Man United last season (either Ryan Giggs or Cristiano Ronaldo), and they wore a NNOB #50 shirt for the rest of the half.
    [/quote]

    That’s quite possible, I didn’t see the game early. I think I started watching about 20-30 minutes in.

  • Pat | November 26, 2007 at 4:18 pm |

    I’ve heard this sentiment expressed a few times. The fact that some NFL teams retire jerseys or honor players instead of retiring their number, so it could not be used again. To me, it’s fairly obvious why it’s not common to see numbers retired in the NFL. I don’t know of any except for Pat Tillman’s #40.

    There are 54 players on an NFL team. Which means you need 54 available numbers. Plus I’m pretty sure everyone on here knows about the number restrictions placed on positions. Quarterbacks can wear 1-19, Wide Receivers and tight ends can wear 11-19 and 80-89, running backs 20-49, etc. What happens if a team starts retiring numbers. Like, say the Patriots retired Stanley Morgan (86) and Ben Coates (87). This would leave 11-19, 80-85, 88 and 89 for receivers and tight ends, thats 16 available numbers. The Patriots have 9 players eligible for those numbers, probably 10 when Troy Brown is activated. But, Tom Brady wears number 12 and Matt Cassel wears 16 so that’s 14 available numbers now. Say 3 of those players are injured and placed on IR for the season and the patriots are forced to pick up 3 players in their place. That means that of those 16 available numbers to their wide receivers, tight ends and quarterbacks, they have 13 now wearing those numbers.

    And this is for the Patriots who don’t have a great history of receivers or players in general who deserve their numbers retired.

    What happens when a team sets a precedent for retiring numbers and then a few more players come along and far surpass that precedent. Are you (1) not retiring those numbers because then there wouldn’t be enough available or (2) un-retiring the old numbers to free up some space.

    I say, in the NFL, the only numbers that get retired are for people like Tillman who have clearly done something beyond the realm of just being a great player. He’s the only one I can think of right now, though.

  • ryan c #40 | November 26, 2007 at 4:21 pm |

    Lacrosse=Ice Hockey??? Please, no! NOTHING is Ice Hockey!

    Lacrosse=Dek Hockey… Thats more like it!

  • Broker75 | November 26, 2007 at 4:25 pm |

    Some love for the New Jersey Devils: The team was renamed the New Jersey Devils on June 30, 1982. Over 10,000 people voted in a contest held by local newspapers to select the name, which is influenced by the legend of the Jersey Devil said to inhabit the Pine Barrens in southern New Jersey.

  • Original Jim | November 26, 2007 at 4:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”177366″][quote comment=”177218″]Still wondering what the font was — I know we must have typographic nerds who crossover here.

    I’m thinking Futura.[/quote]

    The 5 is close to Futura, but the six is completely different. Notice the 6 on the Browns’ helmets curves down at the top…Futura’s 6 doesn’t curve. I’ve looked through all the fonts I have on my computer, and the closest I can find (which is still off) is Prestige Elite. It’s the only I’ve found with the I haven’t found a 4 on one of the throwback helmets, but the 4 in this font looks strange, so I doubt it corresponds in that way. It’s probably some custom font anyway.[/quote]

    The closest font is NCAA Gothic. It was used by many football and basketball teams in the late 50’s/early 60’s. It’s currently used by UNH football and Xavier basketball, among others. The helmet font is a slightly less bold version of that font. Download any Nike uniform catalog and you can see it in all its humanist glory.

  • Rick | November 26, 2007 at 4:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”177476″]Some love for the New Jersey Devils: The team was renamed the New Jersey Devils on June 30, 1982. Over 10,000 people voted in a contest held by local newspapers to select the name, which is influenced by the legend of the Jersey Devil said to inhabit the Pine Barrens in southern New Jersey.[/quote]

    I did not know about the “Jersey Devil” I wondered why that name was selected when the Rockies moved there.

  • Chance | November 26, 2007 at 4:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”177471″]
    I say, in the NFL, the only numbers that get retired are for people like Tillman who have clearly done something beyond the realm of just being a great player. He’s the only one I can think of right now, though.[/quote]

    There ought be a middle ground, for teams to properly honor their legacy.

    The Yankees, IMO, retire numbers too easily. The history is undeniable, but come on. They have no single digits left to issue.

    I prefer what the Packers do – you have to be not only a great player, but one of the dominant players of your era. A true titan of the game.

    21 Hall of Famers (soon to be 22), but only 5 retired numbers (soon to be 6). Just about right.

  • Shane | November 26, 2007 at 4:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”177471″]I’ve heard this sentiment expressed a few times. The fact that some NFL teams retire jerseys or honor players instead of retiring their number, so it could not be used again. To me, it’s fairly obvious why it’s not common to see numbers retired in the NFL. I don’t know of any except for Pat Tillman’s #40.[/quote]

    There’s actually a lot of retired numbers. Hell, my 49ers (I do know that kind of football: bad) have 10 I can think of, including Montana, Brodie, Perry, Johnson, Lott, Clark, et al.

    Here’s a complete list of retired numbers in the NFL.

  • Shane | November 26, 2007 at 4:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”177480″][quote comment=”177471″]
    I say, in the NFL, the only numbers that get retired are for people like Tillman who have clearly done something beyond the realm of just being a great player. He’s the only one I can think of right now, though.[/quote]

    There ought be a middle ground, for teams to properly honor their legacy.

    The Yankees, IMO, retire numbers too easily. The history is undeniable, but come on. They have no single digits left to issue.

    I prefer what the Packers do – you have to be not only a great player, but one of the dominant players of your era. A true titan of the game.

    21 Hall of Famers (soon to be 22), but only 5 retired numbers (soon to be 6). Just about right.[/quote]

    And as for the Packers policy, I second that notion. Shit, look at the Bills: the only number they’ve retired is Jim Kelly’s. I first had my attention drawn to their retired numbers (or lack thereof) while watching the Pats/Bills game last Sunday and noticed that 83 was still out there.

  • Pat | November 26, 2007 at 4:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”177480″][quote comment=”177471″]
    I say, in the NFL, the only numbers that get retired are for people like Tillman who have clearly done something beyond the realm of just being a great player. He’s the only one I can think of right now, though.[/quote]

    There ought be a middle ground, for teams to properly honor their legacy.

    The Yankees, IMO, retire numbers too easily. The history is undeniable, but come on. They have no single digits left to issue.

    I prefer what the Packers do – you have to be not only a great player, but one of the dominant players of your era. A true titan of the game.

    21 Hall of Famers (soon to be 22), but only 5 retired numbers (soon to be 6). Just about right.[/quote]

    I actually think what the Cowboys do is perfect. I hate the Cowboys, but the Ring of Honor (is that what they call it?) seems like a good way to pay tribute. To me, a truly great player comes along once in a lifetime, someone like Bill Russell, if someone ever wore 6 on the Celtics again I would flip my lid, same with 33 in green. But I wouldn’t care if someone wore 31 (Cedric Maxwell) or 3 (Dennis Johnson).

    I am not all that familiar with Packers history, but I find it hard to imagine that they could have had more than 2 or 3 players that absolutely transcended the sport.

  • Bendert | November 26, 2007 at 4:45 pm |

    First things first, prayers out to Sean Taylor and his family. An interesting thing though: On the ESPN coverage they show Taylor wearing number 36. After looking over some photos, he usually wears number 21as far as I could see, except for a game against Dallas. Is there any known explanation?

  • Bendert | November 26, 2007 at 4:46 pm |

    Also, is anyone having any difficulty accessing the site? I keep getting a message saying “Come back later” and the tab says website coming soon. Is this just me?

  • Pat | November 26, 2007 at 4:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”177482″][quote comment=”177471″]I’ve heard this sentiment expressed a few times. The fact that some NFL teams retire jerseys or honor players instead of retiring their number, so it could not be used again. To me, it’s fairly obvious why it’s not common to see numbers retired in the NFL. I don’t know of any except for Pat Tillman’s #40.[/quote]

    There’s actually a lot of retired numbers. Hell, my 49ers (I do know that kind of football: bad) have 10 I can think of, including Montana, Brodie, Perry, Johnson, Lott, Clark, et al.

    Here’s a complete list of retired numbers in the NFL.[/quote]

    Wow, I guess NFL teams have looser number retiring standards than I thought, and hoped. Especially my pats. Beyond John Hannah and Gino Cappelletti I don’t see any that are really worth it.

  • Shane | November 26, 2007 at 4:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”177484″][quote comment=”177480″][quote comment=”177471″]
    I say, in the NFL, the only numbers that get retired are for people like Tillman who have clearly done something beyond the realm of just being a great player. He’s the only one I can think of right now, though.[/quote]

    There ought be a middle ground, for teams to properly honor their legacy.

    The Yankees, IMO, retire numbers too easily. The history is undeniable, but come on. They have no single digits left to issue.

    I prefer what the Packers do – you have to be not only a great player, but one of the dominant players of your era. A true titan of the game.

    21 Hall of Famers (soon to be 22), but only 5 retired numbers (soon to be 6). Just about right.[/quote]

    I actually think what the Cowboys do is perfect. I hate the Cowboys, but the Ring of Honor (is that what they call it?) seems like a good way to pay tribute. To me, a truly great player comes along once in a lifetime, someone like Bill Russell, if someone ever wore 6 on the Celtics again I would flip my lid, same with 33 in green. But I wouldn’t care if someone wore 31 (Cedric Maxwell) or 3 (Dennis Johnson).

    I am not all that familiar with Packers history, but I find it hard to imagine that they could have had more than 2 or 3 players that absolutely transcended the sport.[/quote]

    Can’t believe I’m sticking up for the Packers but they haven’t even retired Paul Hornung’s number, which, I feel, is a testament to the numbers that have been. You’re talking about a team that, along with the Bears, dominated the NFL from its inception until the dawn of the 70’s.

  • Ryan | November 26, 2007 at 4:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”177282″]Can anyone explain something weird with Miami Dolphins uniforms?

    Aqua jersey

    Rarely worn orange 2-0 alternate

    Blue jersey, never used but marketed to fans

    White “road” Jersey

    Anyone notice the difference on the white jersey?

    The cuffs on the arms on all the others feature small stripes (aqua, white, navy, orange and then reversed) but the white jersey just has block aqua cuffs.

    Why? It’s something so miniscule, but someone somewhere clearly went out of his way to have the block aqua sleeves.

    It irritates me every time I see it![/quote]

    While we’re at it, did the teal color in the Fins’ unis, helmets and facemasks get darker sometime between the mid-early 90’s and present-day teal? See comparisons here:

    and here:

  • LI Phil | November 26, 2007 at 4:51 pm |

    which single digit yankees…besides martin…who wouldn’t you retire? dickey/berra?

  • Ryan | November 26, 2007 at 4:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”177490″][quote comment=”177282″]Can anyone explain something weird with Miami Dolphins uniforms?

    Aqua jersey

    Rarely worn orange 2-0 alternate

    Blue jersey, never used but marketed to fans

    White “road” Jersey

    Anyone notice the difference on the white jersey?

    The cuffs on the arms on all the others feature small stripes (aqua, white, navy, orange and then reversed) but the white jersey just has block aqua cuffs.

    Why? It’s something so miniscule, but someone somewhere clearly went out of his way to have the block aqua sleeves.

    It irritates me every time I see it![/quote]

    While we’re at it, did the teal color in the Fins’ unis, helmets and facemasks get darker sometime between the mid-early 90’s and present-day teal? See comparisons here:
    http://www.opengroup...(SC)Dan_Marino_Photo.jpg
    and
    http://www.nakofan64...

    Still don’t have the hang of linking, so here are the url’s cut and pasted.

  • Ryan | November 26, 2007 at 4:57 pm |

    Sorry for the clutter, but the first link to the early 90’s Fins teal was disallowed by its host site. Try this one to compare to Ricky, above, and see if you can tell the teal is different.

    http://www.danmarino...

  • Marty Met | November 26, 2007 at 5:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”177488″][quote comment=”177482″][quote comment=”177471″]I’ve heard this sentiment expressed a few times. The fact that some NFL teams retire jerseys or honor players instead of retiring their number, so it could not be used again. To me, it’s fairly obvious why it’s not common to see numbers retired in the NFL. I don’t know of any except for Pat Tillman’s #40.[/quote]

    There’s actually a lot of retired numbers. Hell, my 49ers (I do know that kind of football: bad) have 10 I can think of, including Montana, Brodie, Perry, Johnson, Lott, Clark, et al.

    Here’s a complete list of retired numbers in the NFL.[/quote]

    Wow, I guess NFL teams have looser number retiring standards than I thought, and hoped. Especially my pats. Beyond John Hannah and Gino Cappelletti I don’t see any that are really worth it.[/quote]

    As a Jets fan I hate the Patriots but if you’re not going to retire John Hannah’s number than you’re not going to retire anyone’s.

  • Bill | November 26, 2007 at 5:21 pm |

    As a general rule I can’t stand Nike’s college football templates, but for some reason these are growing on me (if only the gold could match up.)

    link>

  • Bill | November 26, 2007 at 5:22 pm |
  • Bill | November 26, 2007 at 5:23 pm |
  • Giancarlo | November 26, 2007 at 5:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”177282″]Can anyone explain something weird with Miami Dolphins uniforms?

    Aqua jersey

    Rarely worn orange 2-0 alternate

    Blue jersey, never used but marketed to fans

    White “road” Jersey

    Anyone notice the difference on the white jersey?

    The cuffs on the arms on all the others feature small stripes (aqua, white, navy, orange and then reversed) but the white jersey just has block aqua cuffs.

    Why? It’s something so miniscule, but someone somewhere clearly went out of his way to have the block aqua sleeves.

    It irritates me every time I see it![/quote]

    Perhaps you’re looking at it backwards. What you call the “white ‘road’ jersey” is what the Dolphins normally wear at home. They’re generally forced to wear it on the road since opponents will usually opt for colored jerseys. With the Dolphins appearing in white far more often than in aqua & orange combined, the white with aqua bar should be considered the Miami template. You can’t put an aqua bar on an aqua jersey, hence the stripe variation.

  • Jack | November 26, 2007 at 5:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”177411″][quote comment=”177407″][quote comment=”177404″]Did you just refer to lacrosse as an original American sport??[/quote]

    native american that is

    /did you just question his fanhood in front of the ladies?[/quote]

    If by native american you mean Canadian… then ok.[/quote]

    Get your facts straight! Lacrosse was invented by Native North Americans. Its name was dehuntshigwa’es in Onondaga (“men hit a rounded object”), da-nah-wah’uwsdi in Eastern Cherokee (“little war”), Tewaarathon in Mohawk language (“little brother of war”), and baaga`adowe in Ojibwe (“knocking about of balls”). However it was played much more predominantly in the southern part of what is now the united states, due to early freezings in what is now canada. open your mind man!

  • David | November 26, 2007 at 5:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”177168″]I don’t “get” the weekly update on american flag decals. What am I missing?[/quote]
    Well, no one else has quoted this post…

    Every player needs to wear a flag decal on the back of the helmet (as you can see here); however, some players like LT, Chambers, and Clark go without it. So, Paul is kinda obsessed when a player plays without a decal. You can see the LT and Chambers pics in the past Monday blogs.

  • Paul Lukas | November 26, 2007 at 5:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”177519″][quote comment=”177168″]I don’t “get” the weekly update on american flag decals. What am I missing?[/quote]
    Well, no one else has quoted this post…

    Every player needs to wear a flag decal on the back of the helmet (as you can see here); however, some players like LT, Chambers, and Clark go without it. So, Paul is kinda obsessed when a player plays without a decal….[/quote]

    I’m fairly certain I’m not the only one.

  • dillon | November 26, 2007 at 5:56 pm |
  • Jack | November 26, 2007 at 5:57 pm |
  • David S. | November 26, 2007 at 5:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”177520″][quote comment=”177519″][quote comment=”177168″]I don’t “get” the weekly update on american flag decals. What am I missing?[/quote]
    Well, no one else has quoted this post…

    Every player needs to wear a flag decal on the back of the helmet (as you can see here); however, some players like LT, Chambers, and Clark go without it. So, Paul is kinda obsessed when a player plays without a decal….[/quote]

    I’m fairly certain I’m not the only one.[/quote]

    Don’t worry Paul, I am with you. Especially after talking to Rob Recker, the decal heat from the NFL should fall directly in the lap of the Chargers’ Equipment Manager… That is unless the player himself removed it, and in that case I am even more intrigued by it.

  • Alan #44 | November 26, 2007 at 6:08 pm |

    The Rangers will retire Leetch’s # 2 in January. After they retired #7, they retired #1 for Eddie Giacomin. Since then they retired 35 for Mike Richter and 11 for Messier. I dont understand why they didnt retire any of the numbers for the legendary Patrick family (9 and 11 , I believe). Also, John Davidson brought us lots of joy between the pipes for them. And I have heard the name Andy Bathgate quite often.
    In about 20 years, we will see Henrik Lundqvist’s #30 hanging from the rafters.

  • todd krevanchi (krvanch) | November 26, 2007 at 6:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”177485″]First things first, prayers out to Sean Taylor and his family. An interesting thing though: On the ESPN coverage they show Taylor wearing number 36. After looking over some photos, he usually wears number 21as far as I could see, except for a game against Dallas. Is there any known explanation?[/quote]

    i believe fred smoot was on the redskins and wore 21 during taylors rookie year.

  • elliott | November 26, 2007 at 6:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”177507″][quote comment=”177282″]Can anyone explain something weird with Miami Dolphins uniforms?

    Aqua jersey

    Rarely worn orange 2-0 alternate

    Blue jersey, never used but marketed to fans

    White “road” Jersey

    Anyone notice the difference on the white jersey?

    The cuffs on the arms on all the others feature small stripes (aqua, white, navy, orange and then reversed) but the white jersey just has block aqua cuffs.

    Why? It’s something so miniscule, but someone somewhere clearly went out of his way to have the block aqua sleeves.

    It irritates me every time I see it![/quote]

    Perhaps you’re looking at it backwards. What you call the “white ‘road’ jersey” is what the Dolphins normally wear at home. They’re generally forced to wear it on the road since opponents will usually opt for colored jerseys. With the Dolphins appearing in white far more often than in aqua & orange combined, the white with aqua bar should be considered the Miami template. You can’t put an aqua bar on an aqua jersey, hence the stripe variation.[/quote]

    Agreed sir, (hence why road was in quote marks).
    But either way, it’s been done for a reason.

    And while we’re on the subject, Miami also have a ring of honour thing set up. We have 3 jerseys retired (guess…) but about 9 people on the honour roll (inc Joe Robbie and the 72 team)

  • elliott | November 26, 2007 at 6:46 pm |

    Another question regarding helmet decals.

    I’m English. If I somehow put on 100lb of muscle and grew 8 inches and managed to sneak into the NFL, would I have to wear the stars and stripes or could I have a St George’s cross (England) decal?

    If it’s the latter, we got any pictures of any English (or foreign in general) folk doing so?

  • Will | November 26, 2007 at 6:46 pm |

    Lets just say that someone here might not know what FNOB and NNOB stand for.

    Maybe someone should fill them in.

  • LI Phil | November 26, 2007 at 6:48 pm |

    FNOB=first name on back
    NNOB=no name on back

    /NFL=american flag mate

  • elliott | November 26, 2007 at 6:56 pm |
  • David S. | November 26, 2007 at 6:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”177535″]Another question regarding helmet decals.

    I’m English. If I somehow put on 100lb of muscle and grew 8 inches and managed to sneak into the NFL, would I have to wear the stars and stripes or could I have a St George’s cross (England) decal?

    If it’s the latter, we got any pictures of any English (or foreign in general) folk doing so?[/quote]

    To my knowledge it is the exact same rule as MLB, American flag.

  • David S. | November 26, 2007 at 6:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”177538″]FNOB=first name on back
    NNOB=no name on back

    /NFL=american flag mate[/quote]

    Full name on back.

  • LI Phil | November 26, 2007 at 7:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”177546″][quote comment=”177538″]FNOB=first name on back
    NNOB=no name on back

    /NFL=american flag mate[/quote]

    Full name on back.[/quote]

    yeah…my bad

    i is a idiot

  • elliott | November 26, 2007 at 7:06 pm |

    You said it!

    :-)

  • Frankie | November 26, 2007 at 7:13 pm |

    Why is it that I am so annoyed by the color change in the pant stripe for the Vikings, but not for the Cardinals? The one that bothers me the most, however, is the Bengals. The damn white stripe pisses me off more than almost any other uniform aspect in the NFL today. The side of the jersey should be the same color as the main color of the jersey, like it is on the white one. That, and the top two tiger stripes on the pants should be black like the rest of them, not white.

  • noonan | November 26, 2007 at 7:16 pm |

    I love the vintage pics, especially when there is a story behind them. When possible, I tie them into whatever time period we are studying in my history classes (it’s hard because of the internet filter we have blocks this site).

    With the story about miners’ teams, I was trying to find team pictures online that I have seen in person from mine teams in Michigan’s UP or even lumber mills in NE WI and the UP. No luck.

    I was also looking for pictures of the baseball team formed from Mount Rushmore workers. Not much time available right now, no luck.

    I did find this remarkable story and picture.

    The site also links to more early baseball pictures.

  • David S. | November 26, 2007 at 7:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”177558″]Why is it that I am so annoyed by the color change in the pant stripe for the Vikings, but not for the Cardinals? The one that bothers me the most, however, is the Bengals. The damn white stripe pisses me off more than almost any other uniform aspect in the NFL today. The side of the jersey should be the same color as the main color of the jersey, like it is on the white one. That, and the top two tiger stripes on the pants should be black like the rest of them, not white.[/quote]

    Well, the two pant stripes you are talking about is the slow progression into the white side panel. If the side panel went so would the white pant stripes. Also while we are on the subject, the uniform combo in that picture will likely not be seen again since the team greatly prefers this look to the orange on black. Of course the team favors the black on black combo most of all, so we will be seeing that more and more as time goes on.

  • Danny | November 26, 2007 at 7:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”177533″][quote comment=”177507″][quote comment=”177282″]Can anyone explain something weird with Miami Dolphins uniforms?

    Aqua jersey

    Rarely worn orange 2-0 alternate

    Blue jersey, never used but marketed to fans

    White “road” Jersey

    Anyone notice the difference on the white jersey?

    The cuffs on the arms on all the others feature small stripes (aqua, white, navy, orange and then reversed) but the white jersey just has block aqua cuffs.

    Why? It’s something so miniscule, but someone somewhere clearly went out of his way to have the block aqua sleeves.

    It irritates me every time I see it![/quote]

    Perhaps you’re looking at it backwards. What you call the “white ‘road’ jersey” is what the Dolphins normally wear at home. They’re generally forced to wear it on the road since opponents will usually opt for colored jerseys. With the Dolphins appearing in white far more often than in aqua & orange combined, the white with aqua bar should be considered the Miami template. You can’t put an aqua bar on an aqua jersey, hence the stripe variation.[/quote]

    Agreed sir, (hence why road was in quote marks).
    But either way, it’s been done for a reason.

    And while we’re on the subject, Miami also have a ring of honour thing set up. We have 3 jerseys retired (guess…) but about 9 people on the honour roll (inc Joe Robbie and the 72 team)[/quote]

    In the late 90’s, not sure which exactly, the dolphins darkened their teal, added navy, and changed the logo. The navy jerseys were maybe going to be introduced as the alternates, bit the orange ones were picked instead. they were voted one of the ugliest jerseys in sports and havent been worn since. i i think that the orange ones were chosen because the hurricanes jersey is so popular around town. they were pretty hard on the eyes.

  • JJD | November 26, 2007 at 7:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”177496″][quote comment=”177488″][quote comment=”177482″][quote comment=”177471″]I’ve heard this sentiment expressed a few times. The fact that some NFL teams retire jerseys or honor players instead of retiring their number, so it could not be used again. To me, it’s fairly obvious why it’s not common to see numbers retired in the NFL. I don’t know of any except for Pat Tillman’s #40.[/quote]

    There’s actually a lot of retired numbers. Hell, my 49ers (I do know that kind of football: bad) have 10 I can think of, including Montana, Brodie, Perry, Johnson, Lott, Clark, et al.

    Here’s a complete list of retired numbers in the NFL.[/quote]

    Wow, I guess NFL teams have looser number retiring standards than I thought, and hoped. Especially my pats. Beyond John Hannah and Gino Cappelletti I don’t see any that are really worth it.[/quote]

    As a Jets fan I hate the Patriots but if you’re not going to retire John Hannah’s number than you’re not going to retire anyone’s.[/quote]

    I’m fairly shocked they haven’t retired Andre Tippett’s #56 and Stanley Morgan’s #86.

  • Stevo | November 26, 2007 at 7:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”177535″]Another question regarding helmet decals.

    I’m English. If I somehow put on 100lb of muscle and grew 8 inches and managed to sneak into the NFL, would I have to wear the stars and stripes or could I have a St George’s cross (England) decal?

    If it’s the latter, we got any pictures of any English (or foreign in general) folk doing so?[/quote]

    NFL players wear the American flag on their helmets, no matter where you’re from. CFL players wear the Maple Leaf on their helmets, no matter where they’re from.

  • Stuby | November 26, 2007 at 7:45 pm |

    There’s a commercial running these days for EA Madden 08 with the Redskins and an old lady dressed up in a Redskins uniform. She’s wearing #33, which is retired for Sammy Baugh. I always wonder if things like that are done on purpose or do they really not have a clue that the number is retired.

  • TK | November 26, 2007 at 7:57 pm |

    So I’ve always thought that FNOB was dumb looking, and I also have always thought the “First and Second initial” thing like “Br. Smith” was dumb looking – after all, the players are wearing numbers?

    All season University of Washington CB Roy Lewis has been doing something I’ve never seen nor had the chance to find a photo of until now. Roy isn’t the only Husky who’s name is “R. Lewis”, but rather than go with “Ro. Lewis” (which I believe he may have done in past seasons but of which I can’t find visual proof) or FNOB, he’s elected to go with “RY. Lewis”. I can see why (it looks cooler), but it also drives me nuts because “RY.” looks wrong to me. It’s not technically an abbreviation, is it?

    Anyway, has anyone seen this before? (Caution: Lots of purple involved)

  • TK | November 26, 2007 at 7:59 pm |

    Or I could include the link…

  • TK | November 26, 2007 at 8:01 pm |
  • Christopher | November 26, 2007 at 8:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”177572″]So I’ve always thought that FNOB was dumb looking, and I also have always thought the “First and Second initial” thing like “Br. Smith” was dumb looking – after all, the players are wearing numbers?

    All season University of Washington CB Roy Lewis has been doing something I’ve never seen nor had the chance to find a photo of until now. Roy isn’t the only Husky who’s name is “R. Lewis”, but rather than go with “Ro. Lewis” (which I believe he may have done in past seasons but of which I can’t find visual proof) or FNOB, he’s elected to go with “RY. Lewis”. I can see why (it looks cooler), but it also drives me nuts because “RY.” looks wrong to me. It’s not technically an abbreviation, is it?

    Anyway, has anyone seen this before? (Caution: Lots of purple involved)

    [/quote]

    Anything can be an abbreviation. I could abbreviate my name Chrstphr.

    Technically abbreviations are made by taking the vowels out of a word, so “Ry” works.

    That doesn’t mean it isn’t stupid, though. If I saw that and didn’t know his name, I’d think it was “Rye” or “Rydell” or something.

  • EFitch | November 26, 2007 at 8:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”177188″]

    These are just gaudy! UMass[/quote]
    those u mass ones are a thing of beauty i love the maroon and white stripes

  • Christopher | November 26, 2007 at 8:41 pm |

    Wow, how did I do than? Sorry. Closing link…

  • Christopher | November 26, 2007 at 8:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”177535″]Another question regarding helmet decals.

    I’m English. If I somehow put on 100lb of muscle and grew 8 inches and managed to sneak into the NFL, would I have to wear the stars and stripes or could I have a St George’s cross (England) decal?

    If it’s the latter, we got any pictures of any English (or foreign in general) folk doing so?[/quote]

    I doubt it. The American flag, I assume, is there because its an American based sport. Has nothing to do with the player.

  • elliott | November 26, 2007 at 9:06 pm |

    Cool.

    Anyone noticed Joey Porters jersey tonight? The 5 is really weird (both of them). They are really scrunched up.

    Weird!

  • dennis | November 26, 2007 at 9:14 pm |

    Numbering every 5 yards like they do at LSU is stupid, unnecessary, and makes the field look weird.

  • dennis | November 26, 2007 at 9:16 pm |

    …like this

    LSU’s Tiger Stadium

  • LI Phil | November 26, 2007 at 9:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”177602″]Numbering every 5 yards like they do at LSU is stupid, unnecessary, and makes the field look weird.

    [/quote]

    of course, in the case of heinz field, numbering the lines AT ALL would be nice

  • LI Phil | November 26, 2007 at 9:39 pm |

    of course, in the case of heinz field, numbering the lines AT ALL would be nice

    sorry about the tags

  • Stevo | November 26, 2007 at 9:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”177613″]of course, in the case of heinz field, numbering the lines AT ALL would be nice

    sorry about the tags[/quote]

    Can’t blame Stadium Operations for the monsoon that has descended on Pittsburgh. I remember the same thing happening a few years back at Arrowhead, it rained so hard on Sunday Night that it washed away enough paint to expose the painted-on college names from the game the night before.

  • HUS | November 26, 2007 at 10:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”177402″]what about teams that retire a number of a player who never even PLAYED for that team?

    im thinking #42 & #99[/quote]

    this is close enough, Wade Boggs retired # in Tampa…pitiful

  • BS | November 26, 2007 at 10:03 pm |

    I just thought of a genius alternative to wearing glasses on the field (Bob Griese)
    Corrective visors!
    Stop Nike from stealing this idea!

  • =bg= | November 26, 2007 at 10:04 pm |

    is it just me, or does Heinz Field look empty? Or are those yellow seats full of people.

  • Stevo | November 26, 2007 at 10:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”177626″]I just thought of a genius alternative to wearing glasses on the field (Bob Griese)
    Corrective visors!
    Stop Nike from stealing this idea![/quote]

    I think most NFL’ers are going with laser corrective surgery to avoid wearing the Eric Dickerson-type goggles. Also, I think it would be too hard to get a proper correction factor with a piece of plastic that far from the eyes.

  • The Hemogoblin | November 26, 2007 at 10:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”177410″]This coming Saturday the nation will see the ugliest football game ever. Literally. The Civil War…Oregon State at Oregon. The two worst uniforms in the history of sports (well, close). On top of that, both teams are decimated by injuries and the play will be horrible. Oregon wins 6-3. In a game like back in the 80’s when the winner got to two wins that season…

    (this has been a hard end of the season to watch as a Duck fan)[/quote]

    They call that the toilet bowl, the last 0-0 tie in college. And it had nothing to do with good defense.

  • Jordan | November 26, 2007 at 10:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”177626″]I just thought of a genius alternative to wearing glasses on the field (Bob Griese)
    Corrective visors!
    Stop Nike from stealing this idea![/quote]

    Contacts? Lasex?

    (McFly?)

  • Jeff P | November 26, 2007 at 10:49 pm |

    Off topic, but on NHL.com they have a story on the start of the NHL here Here

    Best part? The picture of the Montreal Wanderers at the top of the article. Ugly things, Aren’t they?

  • Jeff P | November 26, 2007 at 10:50 pm |
  • LI Phil | November 26, 2007 at 11:14 pm |

    anyone who has “0” and “0” for their box is happier than the proverbial pig in $h!t tonight

  • Casey (Davis, CA) | November 26, 2007 at 11:16 pm |

    Good lord. So much Lax talk tonight…Lacrosse’s legitimacy vs Lacrosse’s origin vs Sock-wearing habits of regional Lax teams.

    Good grief. Lax is indeed a niche sport that is enjoyed by the affluent. It’s polo without horses. I wish I was elite enough to play as a kid, because there are copious amounts of Lacrosstitutes willing to do anything and everything for their rubber ball-hurling heroes.

    There is a reason why it is the only NCAA sport that has the D1, D2, and D3 championship at the same venue…it’s just not that popular elsewhere in the country. It’s easy to sell out when you force spectators from 6 different universities to buy tix for all 3 games…

    With that being said, it is an exciting game with lots of goals. There is a good deal of strategy as well. Unfortunately, it suffers the same fate as Ice Hockey…moronic American fans have difficulty following the ball/puck.

    Speaking of Ice Hockey, what do you people think of this uniform?:

    http://www.geocities...

  • Abe | November 26, 2007 at 11:23 pm |

    I just started watching the MNF game, so I don’t know if this has been noticed, but does Roethlisberger have a built-in handwarmer in his jersey tonight? It looked like it when I saw him a couple minutes ago. I remember Tim Couch doing this once.

  • Ryan | November 27, 2007 at 12:09 am |

    [quote comment=”177489″][quote comment=”177484″][quote comment=”177480″][quote comment=”177471″]
    I say, in the NFL, the only numbers that get retired are for people like Tillman who have clearly done something beyond the realm of just being a great player. He’s the only one I can think of right now, though.[/quote]

    There ought be a middle ground, for teams to properly honor their legacy.

    The Yankees, IMO, retire numbers too easily. The history is undeniable, but come on. They have no single digits left to issue.

    I prefer what the Packers do – you have to be not only a great player, but one of the dominant players of your era. A true titan of the game.

    21 Hall of Famers (soon to be 22), but only 5 retired numbers (soon to be 6). Just about right.[/quote]

    I actually think what the Cowboys do is perfect. I hate the Cowboys, but the Ring of Honor (is that what they call it?) seems like a good way to pay tribute. To me, a truly great player comes along once in a lifetime, someone like Bill Russell, if someone ever wore 6 on the Celtics again I would flip my lid, same with 33 in green. But I wouldn’t care if someone wore 31 (Cedric Maxwell) or 3 (Dennis Johnson).

    I am not all that familiar with Packers history, but I find it hard to imagine that they could have had more than 2 or 3 players that absolutely transcended the sport.[/quote]

    Can’t believe I’m sticking up for the Packers but they haven’t even retired Paul Hornung’s number, which, I feel, is a testament to the numbers that have been. You’re talking about a team that, along with the Bears, dominated the NFL from its inception until the dawn of the 70’s.[/quote]

    I don’t understand why Hornung’s number isn’t retired… Just read his wikipedia page, it’s absolutely fascinating how big of a impact he had on Packer’s football to the point that Vince Lombardi lobbied JFK to let him play for the Packers while serving in the army… That’s right, a 20 year-old is starting the “Retire #5” campaign!!! :D

  • Skycat | November 27, 2007 at 12:12 am |

    [quote comment=”177560″][quote comment=”177558″]Why is it that I am so annoyed by the color change in the pant stripe for the Vikings, but not for the Cardinals? The one that bothers me the most, however, is the Bengals. The damn white stripe pisses me off more than almost any other uniform aspect in the NFL today. The side of the jersey should be the same color as the main color of the jersey, like it is on the white one. That, and the top two tiger stripes on the pants should be black like the rest of them, not white.[/quote]

    Well, the two pant stripes you are talking about is the slow progression into the white side panel. If the side panel went so would the white pant stripes. Also while we are on the subject, the uniform combo in that picture will likely not be seen again since the team greatly prefers this look to the orange on black. Of course the team favors the black on black combo most of all, so we will be seeing that more and more as time goes on.[/quote]

    The Bengals really overdo it with their stripes. I much prefer something like this.

    http://www.ivysport....

  • Reed | November 27, 2007 at 12:12 am |

    big ben switched jerseys during the game, because he is seen wearing the normal jersey in the first link and a jersey with a built in hand warmer in the second. i remember brett favre used to use the built in hand warmer when i was younger…also, it seems that big ben and john beck both taped their ankles for the game…ben never does this, and beck did it mid-game, so im guessing that it helped because of the poor conditions…


    normal


    hand warmer

  • Vincent A. Cipollone | November 27, 2007 at 12:23 am |

    [quote comment=”177402″]what about teams that retire a number of a player who never even PLAYED for that team?

    im thinking #42 & #99[/quote]

    The Miami Heat retired #23 for Michael Jordan. I have no idea why but they hang a Bulls jersey somewhere in the boondocks of the AAA’s rafters.

  • Mike Engle | November 27, 2007 at 12:31 am |

    [quote comment=”177656″][quote comment=”177402″]what about teams that retire a number of a player who never even PLAYED for that team?

    im thinking #42 & #99[/quote]

    The Miami Heat retired #23 for Michael Jordan. I have no idea why but they hang a Bulls jersey somewhere in the boondocks of the AAA’s rafters.[/quote]
    The Heat retired Jordan’s #23 so that the Heat could have a retired number, thus have a bit of “history.” Why #23 for Jordan? Jordan averaged about 30 ppg in the playoffs against the Heat, which is the most for an opposing player. Maybe some kind of reverse karma? I’m not sure.
    The only other such example in the NBA is the New Orleans Hornets’ #7, for Pete Maravich. Pistol had nothing to do with the Hornets organization, but his number was retired upon relocation from Charlotte as a symbol of his ties to New Orleans professional basketball (read: the Jazz).

  • Glenn | November 27, 2007 at 12:41 am |

    [quote comment=”177621″][quote comment=”177613″]of course, in the case of heinz field, numbering the lines AT ALL would be nice

    sorry about the tags[/quote]

    Can’t blame Stadium Operations for the monsoon that has descended on Pittsburgh. I remember the same thing happening a few years back at Arrowhead, it rained so hard on Sunday Night that it washed away enough paint to expose the painted-on college names from the game the night before.[/quote]

    no, but you can blame the organization for having the WORST kept field in the NFL, and especially for a newer stadium, the quality of the turf at Heinz has been atrocious. I know they play a ton of Pitt Panthers games and high school games on that field, but every year by this time its torn to shreds. If they’re going to insist on using the field to death like that, they really need to consider FieldTurf.

  • Reed | November 27, 2007 at 1:08 am |

    Four high school games (the WPIAL Championships for the four classifications) and seven pitt home games are played on the field..that is only 11 more games..truly, it does not have anything to do with being a new stadium, as the turf is re-sodded for every season, if not multiple times during the season. (the farm the steelers got the sod from is re-sodding the browns stadium this week). the problem is the weather conditions in northern cities are pretty rough during the football season (rain, snow, etc)..the weather is what turns the grass into mud..even though the grass is classy and keeps an old school football feel, it may be time for the steelers to switch to some type of fieldturf (which they are looking into)

  • Glenn | November 27, 2007 at 1:19 am |

    With a newer stadium, the point being that the base under the field, the drainage system, and everything else should be state of the art; however, every year Heinz is torn up late in the season and having to be re-sodded, and part of the reason for that is weather, but alot of it is also the heavy use on the field, the beating the field is taking. The weather couldn’t have been worse, that’s a given, but look back every year, late in the season and/or playoffs. The field is an absolute mess. Almost as bad as a few years agao when the Patriots tried to resod the middle of the field (between the numbers) late in the year, and that ended up being pretty terrible also. Of course, now they have gone to FieldTurf, so here’s hoping the Steelers end up going that route.

  • Glenn | November 27, 2007 at 1:24 am |

    interesting, I just decided to do a search on FieldTurf, and found this article posted on their site, dated November 18 of this year. Last week :)

  • Glenn | November 27, 2007 at 1:25 am |

  • Glenn | November 27, 2007 at 1:27 am |

    http://www.fieldturf...

    ok, the URL instead

  • Mark | November 27, 2007 at 7:04 am |

    Natural turf with a professional groundskeeping staff should be able to withstand the kind of use that Heinz Field has (7 games in 11 days) – it’s not like they’re having practices out there. The problem with Heinz field’s turf is either a) crappy groundskeepers or b) (more likely) insufficiant subdrainage.

  • bighokie09 | November 27, 2007 at 7:49 am |

    R.I.P. Sean Taylor

  • Kek | November 27, 2007 at 7:52 am |

    [quote comment=”177412″][quote comment=”177402″]what about teams that retire a number of a player who never even PLAYED for that team?

    im thinking #42 & #99[/quote]

    Teams didn’t have a choice on those two numbers.

    My problem are unofficial retired, not even honored, numbers. What exactly are the Redskins waiting for? They must have a dozen or so (only Sammy Baugh’s 33 is retired) numbers that they won’t reuse.[/quote]

    That’s kind of like what the Steelers do. No one gets #12, #32, #58, #59 or #75 but the only offically retired numbers is Ernie Stautner’s #70. I wonder what the story is that they retired his and then felt the need the change up policy and not offically retire anything. The odd thing is that to my knowledge there is nowhere at Heinz Field where the #70 is honored but they have realy nice banners for the numbers Pitt has retired (granted they’re only up for Pitt games)

  • Kek | November 27, 2007 at 7:53 am |

    [quote comment=”177804″][quote comment=”177412″][quote comment=”177402″]what about teams that retire a number of a player who never even PLAYED for that team?

    im thinking #42 & #99[/quote]

    Teams didn’t have a choice on those two numbers.

    My problem are unofficial retired, not even honored, numbers. What exactly are the Redskins waiting for? They must have a dozen or so (only Sammy Baugh’s 33 is retired) numbers that they won’t reuse.[/quote]

    That’s kind of like what the Steelers do. No one gets #12, #32, #58, #59 or #75 but the only offically retired numbers is Ernie Stautner’s #70. I wonder what the story is that they retired his and then felt the need the change up policy and not offically retire anything. The odd thing is that to my knowledge there is nowhere at Heinz Field where the #70 is honored but they have realy nice banners for the numbers Pitt has retired (granted they’re only up for Pitt games)[/quote]
    Forgot to mention, didn’t the Colts do something where they unretired numbers when they moved to Indy because they felt the numbers were only retired in Baltimore?

  • LI Phil | November 27, 2007 at 7:59 am |

    [quote comment=”177802″]R.I.P. Sean Taylor[/quote]

    :(

  • LI Phil | November 27, 2007 at 7:59 am |

    [quote comment=”177802″]R.I.P. Sean Taylor[/quote]

    :(

  • bighokie09 | November 27, 2007 at 8:17 am |

    [quote comment=”177807″][quote comment=”177802″]R.I.P. Sean Taylor[/quote]

    :([/quote]

    Ugh, what the hell are we doing to ourselves… senseless. Again R.I.P. Sean Taylor

  • craig g | November 27, 2007 at 9:11 am |

    [quote comment=”177471″]I’ve heard this sentiment expressed a few times. The fact that some NFL teams retire jerseys or honor players instead of retiring their number, so it could not be used again. To me, it’s fairly obvious why it’s not common to see numbers retired in the NFL. I don’t know of any except for Pat Tillman’s #40.

    There are 54 players on an NFL team. Which means you need 54 available numbers. Plus I’m pretty sure everyone on here knows about the number restrictions placed on positions. Quarterbacks can wear 1-19, Wide Receivers and tight ends can wear 11-19 and 80-89, running backs 20-49, etc. What happens if a team starts retiring numbers. Like, say the Patriots retired Stanley Morgan (86) and Ben Coates (87). This would leave 11-19, 80-85, 88 and 89 for receivers and tight ends, thats 16 available numbers. The Patriots have 9 players eligible for those numbers, probably 10 when Troy Brown is activated. But, Tom Brady wears number 12 and Matt Cassel wears 16 so that’s 14 available numbers now. Say 3 of those players are injured and placed on IR for the season and the patriots are forced to pick up 3 players in their place. That means that of those 16 available numbers to their wide receivers, tight ends and quarterbacks, they have 13 now wearing those numbers.

    And this is for the Patriots who don’t have a great history of receivers or players in general who deserve their numbers retired.

    What happens when a team sets a precedent for retiring numbers and then a few more players come along and far surpass that precedent. Are you (1) not retiring those numbers because then there wouldn’t be enough available or (2) un-retiring the old numbers to free up some space.

    I say, in the NFL, the only numbers that get retired are for people like Tillman who have clearly done something beyond the realm of just being a great player. He’s the only one I can think of right now, though.[/quote]
    the ny giants retired #32 for a tackle that died in WWII

  • Aaron Levine | November 27, 2007 at 11:31 am |

    The video was from 1979 according to this article. hockeydb.com shows that in 1979, #22 was worn by someone else too on Nordiques, Gregg Tebutt.

    [quote comment=”177181″]Aaron Levine notes that in this fight between Stan Jonathan and Paul Stewart, Stewart has NNOB and really big uni numbers, while the rest of the Nords have NOBs.

    Not quite. There are at least two other NNOBs on the Nords (#28, and one other that i couldn’t make out the number.) in this clip, which is even weirder than if it was just Stewart. Was half the lineup callups that night, or what?[/quote]

  • Joey Guns | November 27, 2007 at 2:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”177387″]Last night’s game between Villanova and NC State (which seemed to be a thriller) featured a player with no name on the back of his jersey for Villanova. He did have a cut above his eye, so maybe he had bloodied his primary jersey and had to wear a replacement. Not sure.

    I believe the player in question was was Dante Cunningham, and he usually wears #33. However, when I saw the game, he was sporting #31 with no name.

    I can’t seem to find a picture. Anyone else see that?[/quote]

    Yes, I mentioned this in yesterday’s comments, and I was told that because he got blood on his #33 jersey, the trainers gave him the #31 jersey with no name on the back, as a replacement. (PS – The game was Sunday night, not last night)

  • Joey Guns | November 27, 2007 at 2:40 pm |

    Oops, I meant to say “Refer to comment number 42 in the comments………

  • Bill Scheft | November 28, 2007 at 11:00 pm |

    Paul Stewart NNOB because he had just been brought up for that afternoon’s game. Got into 3, maybe 4 fights that day. Classic goon (21 games, 74 PIM), who ironically became legendary NHL referee.