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None of the Above

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New ESPN column today — here’s the link.

Meanwhile: The people were encouraged to vote, they let their voices be heard, and then a bunch of higher-ups decided to hijack the results and impose their own solution.

But enough about the 2000 presidential election — instead let’s talk about Iowa State’s new football uniforms. As you may recall, the Cyclones made a big fuss about letting fans vote on the school’s new helmet. But when the new uniforms were unveiled yesterday, none of the white helmets made the cut. Instead, the team will be wearing a red-on-red helmet, which seems like a major mistake, especially since it just accentuates the home uniform’s similarity to USC’s design. The road uni is better, especially when executed with red pants (yes, I know they’re actually “cardinal” — whatever). All in all, not a bad makeover, but it could’ve been a lot better without the red-on-red helmet.

Meanwhile, why encourage people to vote on three white helmets if you’re not going to use any of those designs? That question somehow goes unaddressed in the FAQ that the school put out. But I was told a few days ago that the three choices that were put up for voting all turned out to be wildly unpopular. So maybe going in a different direction really does reflect the will of the people. But in a sports world where so many things seem predetermined and calculated, it’s too bad that Iowa State appeared to be setting up a mechanism to give people a voice and now appears to have moved the goalposts. At the very least, it seems like there were some serious miscalculations made along the way here.

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Membership News: Lots of new designs now on display in the membership card gallery, with more to come in the next day or so. Comments encouraged, as always.

Uni Watch News Ticker: According to a small item on this page, Jose Reyes now has his own Nike-designed logo, “represented by his uniform number 7 interwoven with his initials and sports a crown on top.” Given Reyes’s recent level of play, maybe this would have been more appropriate. … Good interview here with the guy who runs EyeBlack.com. … Some examples of logo creep are worse than others (as spotted by Rob Montoya). … Lots of MLB division champion T-shirts available, regardless of who wins. … Bryan Redemske and I both want to know what’s printed on next to the CCM logo on the jersey shown in this photo from Bobby Hull’s number-retirement ceremony. … The Indians were technically the home team in the first game of yesterday’s Tribe/M’s doubleheader (they batted last, even though the twinbill was played in Seattle), but they wore road uniforms anyway. … As previously reported, the All Blacks didn’t wear black last weekend. Compounding the problem, they wore a uniform fairly similar to their opponents’ design, which was apparently rather confusing to the players, as noted in the last several paragraphs of this article (with thanks to Caleb Borchers). … Funny item on the Chris Creamer boards about Mississippi Attorney General candidate Al Hopkins, whose star icon appears to have been taken straight off a Cowboys helmet, plus his “Hopkins” wordmark is borrowed to boot.

 

188 comments to None of the Above

  • Johnny | September 27, 2007 at 9:06 am |

    The Iowa State uniform that will make it to the field….. pretty good, if you ask me.

    Why have all the sleeves been disappearing in football, eh?

  • JJD | September 27, 2007 at 9:13 am |

    Thumbs up to the Iowa State unis. If you are going to copy someone, USC is a decent choice.

    Although, it does beg the question: are there any original thinkers in Iowa? First Hayden Fry copied the 70s Steelers for Iowa and now this.

  • John O'Hare | September 27, 2007 at 9:13 am |

    Maybe ALL of my Mets should have the logo you referred to. What a frikkin’ disaster!

  • JJD | September 27, 2007 at 9:14 am |

    I forgot to add that I normally don’t like non-block numerals, but I really like the ones they chose for ISU.

  • =bg= | September 27, 2007 at 9:16 am |

    yup thats the Cowboys star alright.

  • Robert | September 27, 2007 at 9:16 am |

    While the Iowa State uniform is too close for comfort to that of USC, I find it interesting that they are using the better-looking twin stripes over the shoulders, as opposed to the single stripe that USC is using these days.

    And yes, the red-on-red helmet is a disaster. They would wear yellow helmets and permit any All-Americans on the team (unlikely, I know) to wear the red helmet, which would be similar to what they did for a while in the ’80s.

  • SpartyCuse | September 27, 2007 at 9:17 am |

    Thats the GUNZO’s logo/name on the back of the Hull jersey. They are a Chicago company that did the customizations and lettering for the Hawks.

  • Stuby | September 27, 2007 at 9:22 am |

    Today is a good day. I have ended my Bonds hold-out and can proudly wear my SF Giants stuff again!

    From the Iowa State FAQ:
    Why the “Iowa State” mark?

    During our evaluative process, we found that nearly three-quarters of peer institutions use a letter(s) as their helmet icon. Only 20% use a graphics element and a few have neither. Only four schools incorporate their school mascot into the mark. That led our committee to choosing the word / letter marks “Iowa State”, “ISU” and “Cyclones” as finalists for the online voting. There was support for each of those designations, but a strong majority favored “Iowa State”. The “Iowa State” mark represented a fresh look to many voters, and it is far less complex than the present mark.

    Only 4 schools incorporate their school mascot into the mark? Lets see, I count South Carolina, LSU, Oregon State, Colorado, Memphis, Tulane, Boise State and probably more. Am I missing what that guy is trying to say?

  • Dave | September 27, 2007 at 9:28 am |

    Paul – GUNZO’s is a lettering company based in Chi-town. Most pics of the ‘hawks from the 80’s will have the GUNZO’s logo on the back.

  • Dan King | September 27, 2007 at 9:29 am |

    well, with those red on red helmets i’m pretty sure all you’ll be able to see is the word “state”. way to go.

  • Garry | September 27, 2007 at 9:30 am |

    That word in the Bobby Hull photo is “GUNZO’S”, a hockey equipment store in the Chicago area. They used to supply the Black Hawks with all their uniforms.They have a GREAT logo of a goalie on the old hawks sweaters;unfortunatly,I have no phot’s to share.I hope this helps.By the way, Gunzo’s does have web site,with the logo in color.

  • Jake | September 27, 2007 at 9:30 am |

    [quote comment=”148664″] Am I missing what that guy is trying to say?[/quote]

    I think the key part of the statement was “peer schools.” Only four of the sampling they used (the schools that they consider to be like them eneough to draw sensible comparisons) have mascots on the helmets.

    Now who they consider to be peer schools – THAT’S a good question.

    Did they just take the same picture, and change the color scheme for the home/away depictions of Iowa State’s new unis ?

  • Duckstyle | September 27, 2007 at 9:30 am |

    This might sound totally crazy to some people, seeing as the Eagles throwbacks got so much stink-eye. But, I really have always like the old-school simple helmet designs like the one the Eagles used last week. Just take that helmet, make the light blue “cardinal”, and that’s a winning Iowa State look to me. Anything simple, a couple center stripes, some Michigan scallops, etc. Btw, HAVE to use the red pants on the road, I’ve always loved the Kansas City Chiefs look with the red pants and that’s close enough for me, classic.

  • Mark in Shiga | September 27, 2007 at 9:32 am |

    That number font that Iowa State is using seems to be the same as the Yakult Swallows.

    Anyone know what it’s called?

  • Rich | September 27, 2007 at 9:35 am |

    They may as well get rid of those Mets Ts right now. The only thing they’re going to clinch is the biggest division choke in recent memory. >:(

  • Broker75 | September 27, 2007 at 9:36 am |

    The opening pictures’ colors look wicked, they mesh well with Uni Watch colors. Is there a specific name for that red Paul? or just fire engine red..?

  • Stuby | September 27, 2007 at 9:38 am |

    [quote comment=”148673″][quote comment=”148664″] Am I missing what that guy is trying to say?[/quote]

    I think the key part of the statement was “peer schools.” Only four of the sampling they used (the schools that they consider to be like them eneough to draw sensible comparisons) have mascots on the helmets.

    Now who they consider to be peer schools – THAT’S a good question.

    Did they just take the same picture, and change the color scheme for the home/away depictions of Iowa State’s new unis ?[/quote]
    Having read it again, I think he may have been trying to say (although not very well) that only 4 schools have the mascot written out as a wordmark (i.e. ‘Cyclones’). If so, Oregon State is one, who are the other 3?

  • Graf Zeppelin | September 27, 2007 at 9:39 am |

    [quote comment=”148657″]Maybe ALL of my Mets should have the logo you referred to. What a frikkin’ disaster![/quote]

    Not to turn this board into a non-uni-related Mets-choke bitch-fest, but…damn.

    I haven’t seen anything like this since the 1995 Oakland Raiders went from 8-1 and dominating the AFC to 8-8 and out of the playoffs.

    How about this: Anyone who’s going to Shea between now and Sunday, pick up some of those “FIRST AID FOR CHOKING” signs they have in restaurants, bring them to the game and hold them up between innings.

  • Johnny | September 27, 2007 at 9:40 am |

    That Swallows pic……. heh, 105. Maybe they might use those numbers, triple-digits in MLB 50 years from now.

  • Joe Drennan | September 27, 2007 at 9:41 am |

    As mentioned the logo on the Hawks jersey of the Gunzo’s logo. A great logo as it is a depiction of founder Wally Gunzo, a former goalie for the Blackhawks. As a youngster I got my first pair of goalie leg pads there, not to mention a load of other equipment.

    Before companies like CCM started suppling all teams with jerseys, local sporting goods stores would supply them. In Chicago Gunzo’s was the store. Might make for a good column, looking at old photos to see what companies supplied what teams back in the day.

  • Stuby | September 27, 2007 at 9:43 am |

    [quote comment=”148683″][quote comment=”148673″][quote comment=”148664″] Am I missing what that guy is trying to say?[/quote]

    I think the key part of the statement was “peer schools.” Only four of the sampling they used (the schools that they consider to be like them eneough to draw sensible comparisons) have mascots on the helmets.

    Now who they consider to be peer schools – THAT’S a good question.

    Did they just take the same picture, and change the color scheme for the home/away depictions of Iowa State’s new unis ?[/quote]
    Having read it again, I think he may have been trying to say (although not very well) that only 4 schools have the mascot written out as a wordmark (i.e. ‘Cyclones’). If so, Oregon State is one, who are the other 3?[/quote]
    Quoting myself, Florida is another.

  • dgc | September 27, 2007 at 9:44 am |

    [quote comment=”148683″][quote comment=”148673″][quote comment=”148664″] Am I missing what that guy is trying to say?[/quote]

    I think the key part of the statement was “peer schools.” Only four of the sampling they used (the schools that they consider to be like them eneough to draw sensible comparisons) have mascots on the helmets.

    Now who they consider to be peer schools – THAT’S a good question.

    Did they just take the same picture, and change the color scheme for the home/away depictions of Iowa State’s new unis ?[/quote]
    Having read it again, I think he may have been trying to say (although not very well) that only 4 schools have the mascot written out as a wordmark (i.e. ‘Cyclones’). If so, Oregon State is one, who are the other 3?[/quote]

    Maryland is currently using a script “Terps” on the helmets.

  • ScottyJ in WV | September 27, 2007 at 9:45 am |

    Logos on eyeblack patches??

    Feh.

  • Wade Harder | September 27, 2007 at 9:45 am |

    I have a question about the Iowa State jersey mock-ups. What are the two white triangles that are hanging from below the jersey? I thought it was part of the jersey untucked in the away uniforms, but they are still rendered in white on the home jersey.

  • Jack Vag Pounder | September 27, 2007 at 9:46 am |

    I went the hopkin’s site and wrote a letter to the editor.

    I accused the dbag of stealing the Cowboy’s star and of stealing JHU’s wordmark. I called him a thief, a cheat, a fraud and a plagerist. I also dropped a slew of f bombs and other assorted cuss words on him!!!!!!!!

    HOW THE FUCK DOES THAT TASTE HOPKINS, YA SON OF A DIRTY WHORE?????

  • DJ | September 27, 2007 at 9:47 am |

    Paul – GUNZO’s is a lettering company based in Chi-town. Most pics of the Hawks from the 80’s will have the GUNZO’s logo on the back.

    IIRC, Steichen’s Sporting Goods did the same for the Minnesota North Stars at the same time.

  • Chris | September 27, 2007 at 9:47 am |

    [quote comment=”148687″][quote comment=”148683″][quote comment=”148673″][quote comment=”148664″] Am I missing what that guy is trying to say?[/quote]

    I think the key part of the statement was “peer schools.” Only four of the sampling they used (the schools that they consider to be like them eneough to draw sensible comparisons) have mascots on the helmets.

    Now who they consider to be peer schools – THAT’S a good question.

    Did they just take the same picture, and change the color scheme for the home/away depictions of Iowa State’s new unis ?[/quote]
    Having read it again, I think he may have been trying to say (although not very well) that only 4 schools have the mascot written out as a wordmark (i.e. ‘Cyclones’). If so, Oregon State is one, who are the other 3?[/quote]
    Quoting myself, Florida is another.[/quote]

    There are more than four. I suck at linking but go to Helmet Project and look at Maryland, San Diego State, LA-Lafayette, Idaho, New Mexico State

  • todd krevanchi | September 27, 2007 at 9:47 am |

    jersey joe is a sponsor?
    thats cool.
    joe is a really good guy… got to know him online back when he was on niketalk and in college when he started his business… it was just sneakers back then…

  • Stuby | September 27, 2007 at 9:49 am |

    [quote comment=”148693″][quote comment=”148687″][quote comment=”148683″][quote comment=”148673″][quote comment=”148664″] Am I missing what that guy is trying to say?[/quote]

    I think the key part of the statement was “peer schools.” Only four of the sampling they used (the schools that they consider to be like them eneough to draw sensible comparisons) have mascots on the helmets.

    Now who they consider to be peer schools – THAT’S a good question.

    Did they just take the same picture, and change the color scheme for the home/away depictions of Iowa State’s new unis ?[/quote]
    Having read it again, I think he may have been trying to say (although not very well) that only 4 schools have the mascot written out as a wordmark (i.e. ‘Cyclones’). If so, Oregon State is one, who are the other 3?[/quote]
    Quoting myself, Florida is another.[/quote]

    There are more than four. I suck at linking but go to Helmet Project and look at Maryland, San Diego State, LA-Lafayette, Idaho, New Mexico State[/quote]
    So, what exactly is he trying to say? I’m confused.

  • djl | September 27, 2007 at 9:50 am |

    If so, Oregon State is one, who are the other 3?

    Florida is one. I could look this up, but I’m trying to come up with them off the top of my head.

  • Paul Lukas | September 27, 2007 at 9:52 am |

    Today’s ESPN column is up. Look here.

  • djl | September 27, 2007 at 9:54 am |

    I just looked it up – there’s WAY more than three others.

    Oregon State, Maryland, New Mexico State, Idaho, Louisiana-Lafayette, and Florida all have their team nicknames on their helmet.

  • possum | September 27, 2007 at 9:55 am |

    [quote comment=”148692″]Paul – GUNZO’s is a lettering company based in Chi-town. Most pics of the Hawks from the 80’s will have the GUNZO’s logo on the back.

    IIRC, Steichen’s Sporting Goods did the same for the Minnesota North Stars at the same time.[/quote]
    Blackhawks Gunzo pic
    North Stars Steichen’s pic
    I love the Gunzo logo.

  • Stuby | September 27, 2007 at 10:03 am |

    [quote comment=”148702″][quote comment=”148692″]Paul – GUNZO’s is a lettering company based in Chi-town. Most pics of the Hawks from the 80’s will have the GUNZO’s logo on the back.

    IIRC, Steichen’s Sporting Goods did the same for the Minnesota North Stars at the same time.[/quote]
    Blackhawks Gunzo pic
    North Stars Steichen’s pic
    I love the Gunzo logo.[/quote]
    Retro logo-creep?

  • Trevor Kruger | September 27, 2007 at 10:09 am |

    [quote comment=”148656″]Thumbs up to the Iowa State unis. If you are going to copy someone, USC is a decent choice.

    Although, it does beg the question: are there any original thinkers in Iowa? First Hayden Fry copied the 70s Steelers for Iowa and now this.[/quote]
    Iowa State:
    http://www2.jsonline...
    (I guess you could say those are “original”)
    As for the rest of Iowa, heres a good one:
    http://showcase.neti...

    As for the vote, we(the fans) HATED the white helmets, and just wanted to keep our old ones, they took that to mean ‘copy USC’s helmet.’ If they were going to change the logo, the majority of people preferred Gold helmets…apparently thats not an option.

  • Wade Harder | September 27, 2007 at 10:10 am |

    [quote comment=”148701″]I just looked it up – there’s WAY more than three others.

    Oregon State, Maryland, New Mexico State, Idaho, Louisiana-Lafayette, and Florida all have their team nicknames on their helmet.[/quote]

    Well, out of those listed, only three are in BCS conferences, so those three could be the “peers” the AD is referencing.

  • dm00n | September 27, 2007 at 10:11 am |
  • Flip | September 27, 2007 at 10:11 am |

    [quote comment=”148683″][quote comment=”148673″][quote comment=”148664″] Am I missing what that guy is trying to say?[/quote]

    I think the key part of the statement was “peer schools.” Only four of the sampling they used (the schools that they consider to be like them eneough to draw sensible comparisons) have mascots on the helmets.

    Now who they consider to be peer schools – THAT’S a good question.

    Did they just take the same picture, and change the color scheme for the home/away depictions of Iowa State’s new unis ?[/quote]
    Having read it again, I think he may have been trying to say (although not very well) that only 4 schools have the mascot written out as a wordmark (i.e. ‘Cyclones’). If so, Oregon State is one, who are the other 3?[/quote]

    Just in the Big XII: K-State, Texas and Colorado. Across the state: Iowa. Others off the top of my head: SMU, Boise State, New Mexico, …

    Yeah, Pollard was pulling some numbers out of his you-know-what.

  • possum | September 27, 2007 at 10:15 am |

    [quote comment=”148709″] Red Wings Eastside pic[/quote]
    I knew I forgot one, thanks for the link.

  • djl | September 27, 2007 at 10:16 am |

    Well, out of those listed, only three are in BCS conferences, so those three could be the “peers” the AD is referencing.

    Makes some sense. And as an alum of a non-BCS I-A school (Go BG!), it strikes me as the sort of thing the AD of a BCS school would say.

  • elove | September 27, 2007 at 10:16 am |

    Gunzo’s is actually a hockey pro-shop located in the Niles/Skokie IL area, that was the Blackhawks official pro-shop for years. They are currently building a new store (building is shaped like a ice arena.

  • Trevor Kruger | September 27, 2007 at 10:19 am |

    [quote comment=”148695″][quote comment=”148693″][quote comment=”148687″][quote comment=”148683″][quote comment=”148673″][quote comment=”148664″] Am I missing what that guy is trying to say?[/quote]

    I think the key part of the statement was “peer schools.” Only four of the sampling they used (the schools that they consider to be like them eneough to draw sensible comparisons) have mascots on the helmets.

    Now who they consider to be peer schools – THAT’S a good question.

    Did they just take the same picture, and change the color scheme for the home/away depictions of Iowa State’s new unis ?[/quote]
    Having read it again, I think he may have been trying to say (although not very well) that only 4 schools have the mascot written out as a wordmark (i.e. ‘Cyclones’). If so, Oregon State is one, who are the other 3?[/quote]
    Quoting myself, Florida is another.[/quote]

    There are more than four. I suck at linking but go to Helmet Project and look at Maryland, San Diego State, LA-Lafayette, Idaho, New Mexico State[/quote]
    So, what exactly is he trying to say? I’m confused.[/quote]
    all of us IOWA STATE fans are, too

    Pollard is just trying to justify his plain, boring, tradition-less, non-cyclone logo by using the only thing he knows…numbers.

  • Philly Bill | September 27, 2007 at 10:24 am |

    Majestic better get crackin’ on some Rockies playoff t-shirts (http://homerderby.co...). If the team finds out about this, it’ll be more fuel for the tiresome “nobody believed in us” bleating if they do manage to make the playoffs. (I’m goin’ on record to say they will.)

  • todd krevanchi | September 27, 2007 at 10:25 am |

    [quote comment=”148691″]I went the hopkin’s site and wrote a letter to the editor.

    I accused the dbag of stealing the Cowboy’s star and of stealing JHU’s wordmark. I called him a thief, a cheat, a fraud and a plagerist. I also dropped a slew of f bombs and other assorted cuss words on him!!!!!!!!

    HOW THE FUCK DOES THAT TASTE HOPKINS, YA SON OF A DIRTY WHORE?????[/quote]

    outside of the fact that the web designer (probably not hopkins himself) for mr. hopkins chose a cowboys star and the font from the JHU lacross unis, do you know anything else about this candidate to warrant such accusations in this letter?

    wouldnt a polite repsonse to the hopkins staff, to give a heads up for this stuff been more appropriate?

    are they things that can even be copywritten or trademarked? i mean can you copywrite a specific word using a specific font? or a star shape?

  • Eric S. | September 27, 2007 at 10:28 am |

    I’m not an Iowa State fan, but my reaction when I saw those 3 helmets was “is there a choice D?”, so I think Paul might be right about going with something completely different actually being the way of the people.

  • Shane | September 27, 2007 at 10:29 am |

    I saw the replay of the Scotland/NZ game on Versus, it was horrid telling the teams apart. Nevermind the fact that Scotland’s kit looks terrible. I used to love how simple they used to be, just dark blue with some white accents. What’s all the grey doing there?

  • David | September 27, 2007 at 10:30 am |

    Lukas, why do you seem to be in love with white jerseys and dark pants? NO, NO, NO, NO! That is totally GROSS! Iowa State should wear gold pants both home and away with a gold helmet.

  • john | September 27, 2007 at 10:30 am |

    New York Islanders supplied by (what looks like) Syosset Sports

  • joe | September 27, 2007 at 10:32 am |

    the phoenix jerseys when they have a C or A on them look like a picture of a dog balancing a treat on its nose.

  • john | September 27, 2007 at 10:32 am |

    And did anyone else notice that the Predator’s mustard 3rd had a rounded hemline?

  • Shane | September 27, 2007 at 10:33 am |

    Well..now that I look at what’s for sale, Scotland’s replicas aren’t as bad as the onfield jerseys. Not spectacular, though. Too much unneeded piping.

  • djl | September 27, 2007 at 10:33 am |

    i mean can you copywrite a specific word using a specific font?

    The University of Wisconsin would tell you you can copyright a specific letter using a specific font.

  • Stuby | September 27, 2007 at 10:36 am |

    [quote comment=”148714″]Well, out of those listed, only three are in BCS conferences, so those three could be the “peers” the AD is referencing.

    Makes some sense. And as an alum of a non-BCS I-A school (Go BG!), it strikes me as the sort of thing the AD of a BCS school would say.[/quote]
    So, we have Oregon State, Florida & Maryland – where’s the 4th?. Is the logic that very few BCS schools have a mascot wordmark, therefore ISU shouldn’t either? Sounds like some bureaucratic double-speak.

  • todd krevanchi | September 27, 2007 at 10:37 am |

    [quote comment=”148729″]i mean can you copywrite a specific word using a specific font?

    The University of Wisconsin would tell you you can copyright a specific letter using a specific font.[/quote]

    gotta hand it to you on that front!

  • Mike | September 27, 2007 at 10:37 am |

    They mentioned in the Cleveland Plain-Dealer a while back that the Tribe would just wear gray. According to them, the equipment guys didn’t want to have to worry about packing an entire extra set of unis for one game on the one week, eight game trip, so they just went with the regular grays and threw in the Blue alt.

  • Stuby | September 27, 2007 at 10:38 am |

    [quote comment=”148728″]Well..now that I look at what’s for sale, Scotland’s replicas aren’t as bad as the onfield jerseys. Not spectacular, though. Too much unneeded piping.[/quote]
    If you squint, the front of that jersey looks like a duck.

  • dm00n | September 27, 2007 at 10:39 am |

    New York Islanders supplied by (what looks like) Syosset Sports

    Bruins Custom Crafted
    Devils Gerry Cosby
    Penguins Century Sports

  • Kyle Joecken | September 27, 2007 at 10:39 am |

    For those who quit paying attention, the NHL Tournament of Logos ended on a sad note. No, the Lightning didn’t win.

    Apparently a couple of computer-savvy bozos wrote scripts to vote repeatedly, artificially driving up the vote count for both finalists (Canadiens v Blues). The owner of the site took down the tournament indefinitely, noticing 60,000 votes cast in 30,000 site visits.

    (insert joke on American political system)

    A sad day for democracy.

  • Joe Schmeltzer | September 27, 2007 at 10:40 am |

    [quote comment=”148726″]the phoenix jerseys when they have a C or A on them look like a picture of a dog balancing a treat on its nose.[/quote]
    hahaha, I knew something was strange about that. I always thought it should go on the other side like the red wings.

  • Duckstyle | September 27, 2007 at 10:47 am |

    [quote comment=”148727″]And did anyone else notice that the Predator’s mustard 3rd had a rounded hemline?[/quote]

    All of the new Edge jersey’s feature the rounded hemline.

  • Joe Drennan | September 27, 2007 at 10:51 am |

    [quote comment=”148741″][quote comment=”148727″]And did anyone else notice that the Predator’s mustard 3rd had a rounded hemline?[/quote]

    All of the new Edge jersey’s feature the rounded hemline.[/quote]
    Right, but what the comment was saying, was that prior to the new RBK Edge system, the Preds alternate had the rounded hemline. This is something I noticed right away when they first came out, but didn’t think much of it till it was just mentioned. It looked terrible in mustard and looks terrible on every other color it’s on now.

  • Mike Engle | September 27, 2007 at 10:52 am |

    [quote comment=”148741″][quote comment=”148727″]And did anyone else notice that the Predator’s mustard 3rd had a rounded hemline?[/quote]

    All of the new Edge jersey’s feature the rounded hemline.[/quote]
    But this is not an Edge jersey. This is the deli mustard yellow alternate from years past. (No Edge alternates yet.)
    Never noticed the rounded hem on those sweaters. Too busy cursing that damn color, the pathetic logo, and the STUPID neck opening. That sweater was a disaster. May it burn in hell.

  • Frank Mercogliano | September 27, 2007 at 10:53 am |

    Yes, Syosset Sports did many of the Isles jerseys in the 1980s….in fact, New York’s practice pucks all had Syosset Sports on them. I got one in a pregame once.

    Frank

  • dilbert719 | September 27, 2007 at 10:54 am |

    [quote comment=”148743″]Never noticed the rounded hem on those sweaters. Too busy cursing that damn color, the pathetic logo, and the STUPID neck opening. That sweater was a disaster. May it burn in hell.[/quote]

    If need be, I’d settle for simply burning all copies of it and never raising the subject again. Just so long as we can all agree that it was one of the poorest concepts ever for a uniform.

  • eric | September 27, 2007 at 10:55 am |

    Paul,
    I love your site and columns BUT how the hell can you keep being passionate about all this stuff when the thing that matters more than anything, the game on the field, is breaking your heart and draining your soul? THE METS ARE KILLING ME. Would you rather the Mets wear blue hats and pinstripes all next year but blow the division or wear black exclusively the rest of the way this year, knock out 4 straight wins and then keep wearing black because they think it is good luck and make a run through the NL? Just wondering.

  • Chris | September 27, 2007 at 10:56 am |

    The Indians weariing road unis at “home” reminded me of this. My friend and I have been discussing this for a couple years now, and we haven’t come up with an explanation that doesn’t involved extreme stupidity. Why is it that most teams wear their nickname on home jerseys and city name on road jersey? I have always accepted it as just a customary part of sports, and a way to sell more jerseys, but who started it? Anybody know?

  • Chance | September 27, 2007 at 10:56 am |

    [quote comment=”148732″][quote comment=”148729″]i mean can you copywrite a specific word using a specific font?

    The University of Wisconsin would tell you you can copyright a specific letter using a specific font.[/quote]

    gotta hand it to you on that front![/quote]

    Well, not really.

    The ugly motion W is no more “a specific letter using a specific font” than the Chicago Cubs’ C is, or the Yankees’ “NY” is.

    They’re both logos, and therefore worthy of trademark. That the logos are comprised solely of letters does not make them any less so.

  • MikeB | September 27, 2007 at 10:58 am |

    [quote comment=”148743″][quote comment=”148741″][quote comment=”148727″]And did anyone else notice that the Predator’s mustard 3rd had a rounded hemline?[/quote]

    All of the new Edge jersey’s feature the rounded hemline.[/quote]
    But this is not an Edge jersey. This is the deli mustard yellow alternate from years past. (No Edge alternates yet.)
    Never noticed the rounded hem on those sweaters. Too busy cursing that damn color, the pathetic logo, and the STUPID neck opening. That sweater was a disaster. May it burn in hell.[/quote]

    It looks like they were using the rounded hemline as far back as 2001. Weird…never noticed that before.

  • Joe Schmeltzer | September 27, 2007 at 11:01 am |

    [quote comment=”148749″]The Indians weariing road unis at “home” reminded me of this. My friend and I have been discussing this for a couple years now, and we haven’t come up with an explanation that doesn’t involved extreme stupidity. Why is it that most teams wear their nickname on home jerseys and city name on road jersey? I have always accepted it as just a customary part of sports, and a way to sell more jerseys, but who started it? Anybody know?[/quote]
    I always thought it just made sense that way. Imagine in years past when you didn’t have nation-wide coverage of every team in sports and you have a team coming into your town to play. You would want to know where they are from.
    Besides, having the city name on the jersey at home is a bit redundant, isn’t it?

  • bobwool | September 27, 2007 at 11:02 am |

    [quote comment=”148721″]I’m not an Iowa State fan, but my reaction when I saw those 3 helmets was “is there a choice D?”, so I think Paul might be right about going with something completely different actually being the way of the people.[/quote]

    Wow, I actually think the white “I-State” helmet is very nice. Even better is the yellow retro one they wore a few weeks ago. Think simplicity, people. Over the years, whose helmets do you remember and recognize instantly? Simple, clean helmets like Nebraska, Alabama, Michigan, Notre Dame, Penn State, Texas, USC. I don’t like wordmarks on helmets much, or “busy” mascots. Even worse, school letters that form the mascot, i.e. Wash State – yuk.

  • Paul Lukas | September 27, 2007 at 11:02 am |

    [quote comment=”148751″][quote comment=”148743″][quote comment=”148741″][quote comment=”148727″]And did anyone else notice that the Predator’s mustard 3rd had a rounded hemline?[/quote]

    All of the new Edge jersey’s feature the rounded hemline.[/quote]
    But this is not an Edge jersey. This is the deli mustard yellow alternate from years past. (No Edge alternates yet.)
    Never noticed the rounded hem on those sweaters. Too busy cursing that damn color, the pathetic logo, and the STUPID neck opening. That sweater was a disaster. May it burn in hell.[/quote]

    It looks like they were using the rounded hemline as far back as 2001. Weird…never noticed that before.[/quote]

    That jersey had always been touted as “innovative” — the rounded hemline, the square collar, etc.

  • Joe Drennan | September 27, 2007 at 11:06 am |

    [quote comment=”148749″]The Indians weariing road unis at “home” reminded me of this. My friend and I have been discussing this for a couple years now, and we haven’t come up with an explanation that doesn’t involved extreme stupidity. Why is it that most teams wear their nickname on home jerseys and city name on road jersey? I have always accepted it as just a customary part of sports, and a way to sell more jerseys, but who started it? Anybody know?[/quote]
    The reason the team name is on most home jerseys is because it’s assumed the home cowd can pick up where the team is from and would recognize any logos, but wear the teams home city on alternates so the fans in the city where they’re playing know where they’re from, and probably wouldn’t know right off the bat what city a team was from if it were simply a logo. It’s an old tradition that’s simply stood the test of time in pro sports, but makes much more sense at the college and high school level. (sorry about the run on sentence)

  • Mike | September 27, 2007 at 11:09 am |

    I don’t know what specifically the wording next to the CCM logo on Hull’s jersey says, but the photo appears to be from the 70’s or 80’s. Back then the Red Wings used to get their Uni’s from a local sporting goods company who did the lettering and such. In Detroit it was Eastside Sports. Hence Wings jerseys of that era used to say, in red block letters on the rear left side of the bottom band of fabric, EASTSIDE. On the right rear of the bottom band it had the CCM logo. On Hull’s jersey it is probably the company that sold them the jersey.

  • SS | September 27, 2007 at 11:19 am |

    My dad went to Iowa State and he had the following things to say about those white helmets
    available to vote for, which may explain the choice they made:

    the “Cyclones” word mark drew up too many bad memories from a period of time where they wore helemts with the same (or similar) script and totally sucked, so that one was out. done and done. i think he was more or less “ehhh” on the other designs, saying there was no way a casual fan could tune-in and immediately know who “ISU” were, etc. He did get express pretty significant displeasure about the white helemts, though. He was very against that. If his viewpoints are similar to other students and alumni, then I applaud Iowa State for not shoving a deisgn down their throats. If only professional teams would do the same.

  • Jeff B | September 27, 2007 at 11:20 am |

    Is it just me or does Jersey Joe’s page look exactly like Distant Replay’s?

  • SS | September 27, 2007 at 11:21 am |

    Plus, I didn’t read the whole article, so maybe they addressed this, but perhaps the logo the fans picked did win and they simply made a gameday decision to remain with the red helmets.

  • Denis | September 27, 2007 at 11:22 am |

    The Vancouver Canucks alternates from a few years ago also had a rounded hem. (The ones that faded from red at the bottom to blue on top.)

  • todd krevanchi | September 27, 2007 at 11:27 am |

    nike’s oilers
    http://www.dropthepu...

    if im not mistaken, i remember hearing that the nike logo, seen here on the left, was done that way only for wayne, because he tucked his right side in, and that was were it was on all the other players…

  • Stevo | September 27, 2007 at 11:28 am |

    About the “only 4 schools” number from Jamie Pollard: the original quote from the story yesterday had BCS instead of “Peer”, so he is talking about the BCS schools specifically. I also think he’s talking about schools that work their actual mascot into the logo, like what ISU had done with Cy (the quote was answering a question about whether or not Cy would still be used in some way).

  • Joe Drennan | September 27, 2007 at 11:31 am |

    [quote comment=”148767″]nike’s oilers
    http://www.dropthepu...

    if im not mistaken, i remember hearing that the nike logo, seen here on the left, was done that way only for wayne, because he tucked his right side in, and that was were it was on all the other players…[/quote]
    Look at any (( sweater and the logo is on both sides for that reason. His Kings CCM sweaters had it, his breaif stop in St Louis had it, as did his Rangers.

  • Teebz | September 27, 2007 at 11:32 am |

    [quote comment=”148743″][quote comment=”148741″][quote comment=”148727″]And did anyone else notice that the Predator’s mustard 3rd had a rounded hemline?[/quote]

    All of the new Edge jersey’s feature the rounded hemline.[/quote]
    But this is not an Edge jersey. This is the deli mustard yellow alternate from years past. (No Edge alternates yet.)
    Never noticed the rounded hem on those sweaters. Too busy cursing that damn color, the pathetic logo, and the STUPID neck opening. That sweater was a disaster. May it burn in hell.[/quote]

    Reebok tested some of their design elements when they took over the league-wide sponsorship after buying CCM. The Barney Rubble Hairpieces were a test team (as they unveiled their new jerseys and logos last season). Nashville may very well have been another test team.

  • dm00n | September 27, 2007 at 11:36 am |

    Would you rather the Mets wear blue hats and pinstripes all next year but blow the division or wear black exclusively the rest of the way this year, knock out 4 straight wins and then keep wearing black because they think it is good luck and make a run through the NL? Just wondering.

    A couple of years after the Tigers moved to Comerica Park, a Detroit sportswriter had an informal reader poll. Two-thirds of the people would have rather seen the team move back to Tiger Stadium than win a World Series.

  • djudson333 | September 27, 2007 at 11:37 am |

    I need some help finding stirrups for my son. The only thing i find on ebay are those s#$%^ socks with a stripe. I want him to know what a real baseball uni should be.

  • Minna H. | September 27, 2007 at 11:40 am |

    I like the script Cyclone (which I voted for), but not the white helmet. The red-on-red helmet is a bit much–even for me.

    Paul, thanks showing the Wild! some love in today’s article. I was beyond stoked that they chose the red jerseys to be their home unis next year. I agree that the Wild! home jersey will be one of the best in the league next year.

    I am conflicted about the Dallas unis. I am still mad about the North Stars leaving MN, but (surprise, surprise), I think the black unis are sharp.

  • Vince DeMarco | September 27, 2007 at 11:41 am |

    [quote comment=”148691″]I went the hopkin’s site and wrote a letter to the editor.

    I accused the dbag of stealing the Cowboy’s star and of stealing JHU’s wordmark. I called him a thief, a cheat, a fraud and a plagerist. I also dropped a slew of f bombs and other assorted cuss words on him!!!!!!!!

    HOW THE FUCK DOES THAT TASTE HOPKINS, YA SON OF A DIRTY WHORE?????[/quote]

    I think someone needs to try decaff.

  • Stuby | September 27, 2007 at 11:45 am |

    [quote comment=”148775″]I need some help finding stirrups for my son. The only thing i find on ebay are those s#$%^ socks with a stripe. I want him to know what a real baseball uni should be.[/quote]
    I found some on Amazon.

  • Marty Met | September 27, 2007 at 11:49 am |

    [quote comment=”148777″]I like the script Cyclone (which I voted for), but not the white helmet. The red-on-red helmet is a bit much–even for me.

    Paul, thanks showing the Wild! some love in today’s article. I was beyond stoked that they chose the red jerseys to be their home unis next year. I agree that the Wild! home jersey will be one of the best in the league next year.

    I am conflicted about the Dallas unis. I am still mad about the North Stars leaving MN, but (surprise, surprise), I think the black unis are sharp.[/quote]

    Norm Green STILL sucks

  • Commisso | September 27, 2007 at 11:50 am |

    The pictures of Dallas’ uniforms on Page2 were the tops! First time I’ve seen them in action.

  • CV | September 27, 2007 at 12:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”148724″]Lukas, why do you seem to be in love with white jerseys and dark pants? NO, NO, NO, NO! That is totally GROSS! Iowa State should wear gold pants both home and away with a gold helmet.[/quote]

    I’m with Lukas. White jerseys and dark pants ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS looks better than white on white (aka, the milkman look, alternatively, the baseball uni look). The white on gold are OK, but I like the white on red better.

  • Stormwater Treatment | September 27, 2007 at 12:05 pm |

    I’d pick the Iowa State acronym helmet if I had to pick.

  • Eric | September 27, 2007 at 12:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”148770″]
    Look at any (( sweater and the logo is on both sides for that reason. His Kings CCM sweaters had it, his breaif stop in St Louis had it, as did his Rangers.[/quote]

    I came to say the same thing: Look Here

  • Stuby | September 27, 2007 at 12:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”148788″][quote comment=”148724″]Lukas, why do you seem to be in love with white jerseys and dark pants? NO, NO, NO, NO! That is totally GROSS! Iowa State should wear gold pants both home and away with a gold helmet.[/quote]

    I’m with Lukas.

    White jerseys and dark pants ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS looks better than white on white (aka, the milkman look, alternatively, the baseball uni look). The white on gold are OK, but I like the white on red better.[/quote]
    I disagree. White on white looks great when paired with a darker helmet. The Chiefs and Redskins look great when they do it. The Texas Longhorns and the Colts do look like milkmen. That being said, A white helmet with white jersey and dark pants also looks like crap, as demonstrated by the Chargers the first week of the season.

  • todd krevanchi | September 27, 2007 at 12:11 pm |

    from the dot com:
    i would disagree about the wholesale changes in unis, in that the wnba (which is not one of the big four major sports, but it is a major team sport in north america) has had 2 league wide uni overhauls (03 and 07) since its inception 11 years ago.

    never noticed the cuff stars on the blue jackets unis till today…

  • C.N. | September 27, 2007 at 12:16 pm |

    Given Reyes’s recent level of play, maybe this would have been more appropriate.

    Yeah, he only hit two homers day before yesterday. Maybe that should be Joe Smith and the bullpen’s logo, but not Reyes.

  • dm00n | September 27, 2007 at 12:16 pm |

    Roy Williams talks about his uniform and why he wears his sleeves a certain way in today’s Detroit Free Press:

    What happened when you stared down a ref: I had a route called a Spin 8 which I run a post and then I come back out of it. On my way back out he was just grabbing me and holding me. I wear those white sleeves for a reason. Anytime those go up in the air, there’s something illegal going on. That referee, that crew … it was a good crew, but everybody makes mistakes and uh, he missed one there.

    Doesn’t make much sense, because Williams wears tight sleeves with elastic around the bottom, not flappy sleeves.

    He also brags about how he doesn’t tip for pizza delivery.

  • Shaftman | September 27, 2007 at 12:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”148793″][quote comment=”148788″][quote comment=”148724″]Lukas, why do you seem to be in love with white jerseys and dark pants? NO, NO, NO, NO! That is totally GROSS! Iowa State should wear gold pants both home and away with a gold helmet.[/quote]

    I’m with Lukas.

    White jerseys and dark pants ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS looks better than white on white (aka, the milkman look, alternatively, the baseball uni look). The white on gold are OK, but I like the white on red better.[/quote]
    I disagree. White on white looks great when paired with a darker helmet. The Chiefs and Redskins look great when they do it. The Texas Longhorns and the Colts do look like milkmen. That being said, A white helmet with white jersey and dark pants also looks like crap, as demonstrated by the Chargers the first week of the season.[/quote]

    I disagree with you a little. The Jets make the white pants, white jersey and white helmet work.

  • Minna H. | September 27, 2007 at 12:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”148782″][quote comment=”148777″]I like the script Cyclone (which I voted for), but not the white helmet. The red-on-red helmet is a bit much–even for me.

    Paul, thanks showing the Wild! some love in today’s article. I was beyond stoked that they chose the red jerseys to be their home unis next year. I agree that the Wild! home jersey will be one of the best in the league next year.

    I am conflicted about the Dallas unis. I am still mad about the North Stars leaving MN, but (surprise, surprise), I think the black unis are sharp.[/quote]

    Norm Green STILL sucks[/quote]

    Yes, there is no conflict on that, Marty Met. He Whose Name Must Not Be Spoken will be forever loathed in MN

  • Boznia | September 27, 2007 at 12:23 pm |

    At the very least, ISU did a good job with the full shoulder stripes and not the crappy halfway finished look. I still have a poster on my wall from years gone by to remind me of the days before LSU started doing that nonsense.

  • Minna H. | September 27, 2007 at 12:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”148796″]Roy Williams talks about his uniform and why he wears his sleeves a certain way in today’s Detroit Free Press:

    What happened when you stared down a ref: I had a route called a Spin 8 which I run a post and then I come back out of it. On my way back out he was just grabbing me and holding me. I wear those white sleeves for a reason. Anytime those go up in the air, there’s something illegal going on. That referee, that crew … it was a good crew, but everybody makes mistakes and uh, he missed one there.

    Doesn’t make much sense, because Williams wears tight sleeves with elastic around the bottom, not flappy sleeves.

    He also brags about how he doesn’t tip for pizza delivery.[/quote]

    Wow. Roy Williams makes millions of dollars and doesn’t tip the pizza guy. What a class act.

  • AP | September 27, 2007 at 12:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”148781″][quote comment=”148776″]Wait a second. I think I came to the wrong site. Is this UniWatch or MoveOn?

    I’m confused.[/quote]
    This is Paul’s site. Sometimes Paul goes off-topic. Because, you know, it’s his site.

    End of confusion.[/quote]

    This is Paul’s site about uniforms. I come here to read about uniforms, not Paul’s personal political beliefs.

  • cheechoo | September 27, 2007 at 12:30 pm |

    I disagree with you a little. The Jets make the white pants, white jersey and white helmet work.

    So do the Colts.

  • Shaftman | September 27, 2007 at 12:30 pm |

    for all the Swoosh haters out there.

    Possibly NSFW

  • Dwight | September 27, 2007 at 12:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”148798″][quote comment=”148793″][quote comment=”148788″][quote comment=”148724″]Lukas, why do you seem to be in love with white jerseys and dark pants? NO, NO, NO, NO! That is totally GROSS! Iowa State should wear gold pants both home and away with a gold helmet.[/quote]

    I’m with Lukas.

    White jerseys and dark pants ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS looks better than white on white (aka, the milkman look, alternatively, the baseball uni look). The white on gold are OK, but I like the white on red better.[/quote]
    I disagree. White on white looks great when paired with a darker helmet. The Chiefs and Redskins look great when they do it. The Texas Longhorns and the Colts do look like milkmen. That being said, A white helmet with white jersey and dark pants also looks like crap, as demonstrated by the Chargers the first week of the season.[/quote]

    I disagree with you a little. The Jets make the white pants, white jersey and white helmet work.[/quote]

    Texans look MUCH better in white/white:

    http://houstontexans...

    Than they do in white/blue:

    http://media.college...

    End of discussion.

  • Robert | September 27, 2007 at 12:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”148788″][quote comment=”148724″]Lukas, why do you seem to be in love with white jerseys and dark pants? NO, NO, NO, NO! That is totally GROSS! Iowa State should wear gold pants both home and away with a gold helmet.[/quote]

    I’m with Lukas.

    White jerseys and dark pants ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS looks better than white on white (aka, the milkman look, alternatively, the baseball uni look). The white on gold are OK, but I like the white on red better.[/quote]

    I disagree. In the NFL, white-on-white looks fantastic, and under no circumstances should pants be any color aside from white, yellow, gold, silver or gray.

    In college, it is ok to be flashy and wear pants of any color, so long as there is not a monochrome look working.

  • Chris in Nashville | September 27, 2007 at 12:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”148757″][quote comment=”148751″][quote comment=”148743″][quote comment=”148741″][quote comment=”148727″]And did anyone else notice that the Predator’s mustard 3rd had a rounded hemline?[/quote]

    All of the new Edge jersey’s feature the rounded hemline.[/quote]
    But this is not an Edge jersey. This is the deli mustard yellow alternate from years past. (No Edge alternates yet.)
    Never noticed the rounded hem on those sweaters. Too busy cursing that damn color, the pathetic logo, and the STUPID neck opening. That sweater was a disaster. May it burn in hell.[/quote]

    It looks like they were using the rounded hemline as far back as 2001. Weird…never noticed that before.[/quote]

    That jersey had always been touted as “innovative” — the rounded hemline, the square collar, etc.[/quote]

    As a proud Pred fan and owner of the gold jersey, I can attest that it is the single heaviest article of clothing in the history of the world. I don’t know how these guys played in them. I did like the squared collar but never even once thought about the rounded hemline. You know Nashville is always on the leading edge of fashion.

  • Philly Bill | September 27, 2007 at 12:44 pm |

    *&^%$#!! no edit button… “Live” in Texas…

  • Stuby | September 27, 2007 at 1:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”148811″][quote comment=”148798″][quote comment=”148793″][quote comment=”148788″][quote comment=”148724″]Lukas, why do you seem to be in love with white jerseys and dark pants? NO, NO, NO, NO! That is totally GROSS! Iowa State should wear gold pants both home and away with a gold helmet.[/quote]

    I’m with Lukas.

    White jerseys and dark pants ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS looks better than white on white (aka, the milkman look, alternatively, the baseball uni look). The white on gold are OK, but I like the white on red better.[/quote]
    I disagree. White on white looks great when paired with a darker helmet. The Chiefs and Redskins look great when they do it. The Texas Longhorns and the Colts do look like milkmen. That being said, A white helmet with white jersey and dark pants also looks like crap, as demonstrated by the Chargers the first week of the season.[/quote]

    I disagree with you a little. The Jets make the white pants, white jersey and white helmet work.[/quote]

    Texans look MUCH better in white/white:

    http://houstontexans...

    Than they do in white/blue:

    http://media.college...

    End of discussion.[/quote]
    I agree, because they have a dark helmet.

    Or were you making a commentary about the guys in the uniforms?

  • SWC Susan (aka Tex) | September 27, 2007 at 1:10 pm |

    I don’t know if it is just my general distaste for USC, but I like the Iowas state unis WAY better than USCs. Maybe it’s the stripes… And I really don’t mind the red helmet. The white one would look horrible with the home unis. And afterall, it is the home rowd who sees them all the time.

  • My name is not Earl | September 27, 2007 at 1:14 pm |

    Iowa State’s AD said yesterday that they didn’t go with the white helmets was because their research indicated that most college teams with white helmets wear white pants. The Cyclones wanted to establish their Cardinal and Gold identity, so that meant going with those colored pants instead of white pants. Most, if not all, colleges (at least in Div. 1-A) that have white helmets do appear to have white pants with at least one of their uniform combinations (although Louisville has worn its red and black pants more often than the white ones of late).

  • My name is not Earl | September 27, 2007 at 1:16 pm |

    Oh, and the AD also said that the reason the three logo choices were presented on white helmets was because the logos “stood out” better on white helmets. They never intended the helmets to be white, a fact that they apparently didn’t communicate to the public.

  • Stuby | September 27, 2007 at 1:17 pm |

    Lets just chalk up Iowa State with the Chargers, Bills and Niners as teams that should have gone to their throwbacks as a permanent change but ended up dropping the ball.

  • Paul Lukas | September 27, 2007 at 1:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”148794″]from the dot com:
    i would disagree about the wholesale changes in unis, in that the wnba (which is not one of the big four major sports, but it is a major team sport in north america) has had 2 league wide uni overhauls (03 and 07) since its inception 11 years ago.[/quote]

    Completely different situation. The WNBA’s uniforms have always been league-dictated (i.e., the individual franchises have little if any say in the process) and largely based on NBA designs. It’s truly a “uniform system,” conceived and executed all at once. That’s a lot different than taking a hodge-podge of individually created designs with very distinct lineages and grouping them all together for an overhaul.

    Apples and oranges.

  • Ron | September 27, 2007 at 1:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”148664″]Today is a good day. I have ended my Bonds hold-out and can proudly wear my SF Giants stuff again!

    From the Iowa State FAQ:
    Why the “Iowa State” mark?

    During our evaluative process, we found that nearly three-quarters of peer institutions use a letter(s) as their helmet icon. Only 20% use a graphics element and a few have neither. Only four schools incorporate their school mascot into the mark. That led our committee to choosing the word / letter marks “Iowa State”, “ISU” and “Cyclones” as finalists for the online voting. There was support for each of those designations, but a strong majority favored “Iowa State”. The “Iowa State” mark represented a fresh look to many voters, and it is far less complex than the present mark.

    Only 4 schools incorporate their school mascot into the mark? Lets see, I count South Carolina, LSU, Oregon State, Colorado, Memphis, Tulane, Boise State and probably more. Am I missing what that guy is trying to say?[/quote]
    I’m with you. I can return to being a Giants fan again. The circus has left town. Bring on the guys from Fresno. I can take losing with the young guys in ’08 than this crap team of 2007.

  • Paul Lukas | September 27, 2007 at 1:25 pm |

    OK, I’ve deleted all the posts about MoveOn, the election, my infallability (or lack thereof), etc.

    Look: I made a very simple joke — a joke that was relevant to, and tied into, today’s post. I thought people could deal with it, even people who might be on the “other side of the aisle.” I’m disappointed to see I was wrong.

    To the guy who compared a simple joke to MoveOn.org (yo: You don’t have to be a left-wing activist to acknowledge the simple historical fact that Bush lost the 2000 popular vote) and THEN had the balls to complain, “See, this is why you shouldn’t post that kind of stuff on the site, it just starts a big non-uni argument,” um, YOU’RE the one who inflamed the argument. And kept it going. And wouldn’t let it die.

    If anyone has a problem with anything I write, including this note right here, feel free to contact me directly, instead of cluttering up the comments section.

    Back to uniforms, please.

  • Mike | September 27, 2007 at 1:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”148813″][quote comment=”148757″][quote comment=”148751″][quote comment=”148743″][quote comment=”148741″][quote comment=”148727″]And did anyone else notice that the Predator’s mustard 3rd had a rounded hemline?[/quote]

    All of the new Edge jersey’s feature the rounded hemline.[/quote]
    But this is not an Edge jersey. This is the deli mustard yellow alternate from years past. (No Edge alternates yet.)
    Never noticed the rounded hem on those sweaters. Too busy cursing that damn color, the pathetic logo, and the STUPID neck opening. That sweater was a disaster. May it burn in hell.[/quote]

    It looks like they were using the rounded hemline as far back as 2001. Weird…never noticed that before.[/quote]

    That jersey had always been touted as “innovative” — the rounded hemline, the square collar, etc.[/quote]

    As a proud Pred fan and owner of the gold jersey, I can attest that it is the single heaviest article of clothing in the history of the world. I don’t know how these guys played in them. I did like the squared collar but never even once thought about the rounded hemline. You know Nashville is always on the leading edge of fashion.[/quote]
    Admission: I kinda liked the Preds alt. yeah the color sucked, but i personally LOVE the logo on the front.

  • Broker75 | September 27, 2007 at 1:30 pm |

    Thanks for deleting the MoveOn comments. I remember the days when I would come onto this site and read about uniform changes/glitches, nowadays it seems the ladys from The View have been on here!

  • Joe Drennan | September 27, 2007 at 1:34 pm |

    PL,

    I’ll let you know I’m a conservative, but found your comment amusing. If you can’t see the humor in life, why live right? Kind of like looking at an Islanders jersey. It makes me laugh, but I’m not offended despite the horribile assult on my eyes.

  • Art Mah | September 27, 2007 at 1:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”148767″]nike’s oilers
    http://www.dropthepu...

    if im not mistaken, i remember hearing that the nike logo, seen here on the left, was done that way only for wayne, because he tucked his right side in, and that was were it was on all the other players…[/quote]

    In the first couple of years, only Gretzky’s had the Nike logo on the left side, and the rest of the team on the right side. But in 84-85 and later IIRC, all of the Nike logos were on the left side.

  • Stuby | September 27, 2007 at 1:35 pm |

    I’m stuck in a hotel in Phoenix watching the D-Baacks/Pirates game (gotta love when baseball starts at 9:30 AM) and the Pirates are wearing the pinstripe vest uni. I thought that was a Sunday-only look.

  • tmclaughlin | September 27, 2007 at 1:39 pm |


    Bruins Custom Crafted

    Damn! You beat me to it. Not sure if Custom Crafted still handles the lettering.

  • Broker75 | September 27, 2007 at 1:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”148855″]I’m stuck in a hotel in Phoenix watching the D-Baacks/Pirates game (gotta love when baseball starts at 9:30 AM) and the Pirates are wearing the pinstripe vest uni. I thought that was a Sunday-only look.[/quote]
    Stuby you lucky man. If I was in Phoenix I would definitely check out the Coyotes and while you are at it shake Gretzky’s hand for having the most improved RBK jersey.

  • Rydell M. | September 27, 2007 at 1:55 pm |

    Has there been a playoff patch issued for MLB Playoffs?

  • josh | September 27, 2007 at 1:57 pm |

    Back in the ’70s and early’80s when the only really authentic jerseys were worn by the team, Gunzo’s used to chain-stitch all the Blackhawks’ logos by hand, and they were absolutely stunning. When CCM started mass-producing all the jerseys, the Hawks’ logo shrank by about 10% and you could tell the logos were machine-stitched from the second balcony.

  • Garrett | September 27, 2007 at 2:02 pm |

    Mets NL East Championship Hats:

  • Garrett | September 27, 2007 at 2:02 pm |

  • Garrett | September 27, 2007 at 2:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”148867″]Mets NL East Championship Hats:

    [/quote]
    http://shop.mlb.com/...

  • Seth H | September 27, 2007 at 2:07 pm |

    Paul, are you aware that “Simon Adebisi” (the raffle winner) is the name of one of the most pyscopathic characters from “Oz”? (Murder, rape, etc.) Probably a pseudonym for your raffle winner.

  • Mike | September 27, 2007 at 2:08 pm |

    Hey,
    Anyone know what that Gunzo’s logo on the back Hullie sweater? ;-)
    Slainte’
    Mike

  • DW in Tampa Bay | September 27, 2007 at 2:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”148727″]And did anyone else notice that the Predator’s mustard 3rd had a rounded hemline?[/quote]

    You are kidding, right?

    [quote comment=”148664″]Today is a good day. I have ended my Bonds hold-out and can proudly wear my SF Giants stuff again![/quote]

    Amen to that. Now that Bonds is gone, it will be nice to get a new 5950 New Era Giants cap.

  • SWC Susan (aka Tex) | September 27, 2007 at 2:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”148755″][quote comment=”148721″]I’m not an Iowa State fan, but my reaction when I saw those 3 helmets was “is there a choice D?”, so I think Paul might be right about going with something completely different actually being the way of the people.[/quote]

    Wow, I actually think the white “I-State” helmet is very nice. Even better is the yellow retro one they wore a few weeks ago. Think simplicity, people. Over the years, whose helmets do you remember and recognize instantly? Simple, clean helmets like Nebraska, Alabama, Michigan, Notre Dame, Penn State, Texas, USC. I don’t like wordmarks on helmets much, or “busy” mascots. Even worse, school letters that form the mascot, i.e. Wash State – yuk.[/quote]

    I think that is cool – if you have no storied football history, why not? Eastern Washington in the Big Sky conference has one like that too.

  • Chance | September 27, 2007 at 2:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”148869″][quote comment=”148867″]Mets NL East Championship Hats:

    [/quote]
    http://shop.mlb.com/...

    Interesting – I’m not used to seeing that logo in blue alone.

  • patrick | September 27, 2007 at 2:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”148725″]New York Islanders supplied by (what looks like) Syosset Sports[/quote]

    It is, indeed Syosset Sports, which was located a stones throw from their practice facility on long island. The name “Syosset Sports” however, is somewhat misleading. It is about 90% hockey, 5% lax and 5% everything else. They’ve moved locations more times than I can remember, but I always try and give them my business, keeping it in the community if you will.

  • Stuby | September 27, 2007 at 2:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”148873″][quote comment=”148727″]And did anyone else notice that the Predator’s mustard 3rd had a rounded hemline?[/quote]

    You are kidding, right?

    [quote comment=”148664″]Today is a good day. I have ended my Bonds hold-out and can proudly wear my SF Giants stuff again![/quote]

    Amen to that. Now that Bonds is gone, it will be nice to get a new 5950 New Era Giants cap.[/quote]
    I always tought I was the only Giants fan who disliked Bonds.

  • SWC Susan (aka Tex) | September 27, 2007 at 2:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”148811″][quote comment=”148798″][quote comment=”148793″][quote comment=”148788″][quote comment=”148724″]Lukas, why do you seem to be in love with white jerseys and dark pants? NO, NO, NO, NO! That is totally GROSS! Iowa State should wear gold pants both home and away with a gold helmet.[/quote]

    I’m with Lukas.

    White jerseys and dark pants ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS looks better than white on white (aka, the milkman look, alternatively, the baseball uni look). The white on gold are OK, but I like the white on red better.[/quote]
    I disagree. White on white looks great when paired with a darker helmet. The Chiefs and Redskins look great when they do it. The Texas Longhorns and the Colts do look like milkmen. That being said, A white helmet with white jersey and dark pants also looks like crap, as demonstrated by the Chargers the first week of the season.[/quote]

    I disagree with you a little. The Jets make the white pants, white jersey and white helmet work.[/quote]

    Texans look MUCH better in white/white:

    http://houstontexans...

    Than they do in white/blue:

    http://media.college...

    End of discussion.[/quote]

    Well played! Not so much about the color really… confidence and quick thinking in the pocket. But I did like the white on white.

  • Paul Lukas | September 27, 2007 at 2:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”148871″]Paul, are you aware that “Simon Adebisi” (the raffle winner) is the name of one of the most pyscopathic characters from “Oz”? (Murder, rape, etc.) Probably a pseudonym for your raffle winner.[/quote]

    Actually, no, I didn’t realize that. Thanks for the heads-up.

  • Stuby | September 27, 2007 at 2:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”148839″]Oh, and the AD also said that the reason the three logo choices were presented on white helmets was because the logos “stood out” better on white helmets. They never intended the helmets to be white, a fact that they apparently didn’t communicate to the public.[/quote]
    I’m not liking this Iowa State AD very much.

  • Duckstyle | September 27, 2007 at 2:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”148812″][quote comment=”148788″][quote comment=”148724″]Lukas, why do you seem to be in love with white jerseys and dark pants? NO, NO, NO, NO! That is totally GROSS! Iowa State should wear gold pants both home and away with a gold helmet.[/quote]

    I’m with Lukas.

    White jerseys and dark pants ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS looks better than white on white (aka, the milkman look, alternatively, the baseball uni look). The white on gold are OK, but I like the white on red better.[/quote]

    I disagree. In the NFL, white-on-white looks fantastic, and under no circumstances should pants be any color aside from white, yellow, gold, silver or gray.

    In college, it is ok to be flashy and wear pants of any color, so long as there is not a monochrome look working.[/quote]

    I have to disagree with ruling out all but only a few colors for pants. Yes certain colors do look odd no matter what, but almost any color can look good on pants as long as it’s done tastfully. Like I said earlier the Chiefs red pants are beautiful, the Bears blue pants, the Giants blues pants(whole uni, home and road as far as I’m concerned), the Jets green pants, and hell, even the Buc’s pewter pants(a great break from the norm) look awesome to me.

  • Jabooby | September 27, 2007 at 2:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”148869″][quote comment=”148867″]Mets NL East Championship Hats:

    [/quote]
    http://shop.mlb.com/...

    1. That hat is ugly.

    2. If I was a Mets fan I would stay drunk until Monday.

  • Duckstyle | September 27, 2007 at 2:23 pm |

    Oops, somehow forgot to state I was talking about the Giants old, non-throwbacky unis. the current ones are pretty nifty too.

  • Garrett | September 27, 2007 at 2:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”148869″][quote comment=”148867″]Mets NL East Championship Hats:

    [/quote]
    http://shop.mlb.com/...

    More:

    http://shop.mlb.com/...

    http://shop.mlb.com/...

    Double whammy, not ditching the black!:

    http://shop.mlb.com/...

    All that being said, they’ll probably win the World Series. I mean, last year was the least likely Cardinals team to do it, right?

  • CV | September 27, 2007 at 2:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”148886″][quote comment=”148812″][quote comment=”148788″][quote comment=”148724″]Lukas, why do you seem to be in love with white jerseys and dark pants? NO, NO, NO, NO! That is totally GROSS! Iowa State should wear gold pants both home and away with a gold helmet.[/quote]

    I’m with Lukas.

    White jerseys and dark pants ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS looks better than white on white (aka, the milkman look, alternatively, the baseball uni look). The white on gold are OK, but I like the white on red better.[/quote]

    I disagree. In the NFL, white-on-white looks fantastic, and under no circumstances should pants be any color aside from white, yellow, gold, silver or gray.

    In college, it is ok to be flashy and wear pants of any color, so long as there is not a monochrome look working.[/quote]

    I have to disagree with ruling out all but only a few colors for pants. Yes certain colors do look odd no matter what, but almost any color can look good on pants as long as it’s done tastfully. Like I said earlier the Chiefs red pants are beautiful, the Bears blue pants, the Giants blues pants(whole uni, home and road as far as I’m concerned), the Jets green pants, and hell, even the Buc’s pewter pants(a great break from the norm) look awesome to me.[/quote]

    Yep, I guess that’s why everyone has there own tastes and likes/dislikes. Personally, I think the Chargers new White helmet/white jersey/blue pants are the best white unis in the league. Obviously others disagree. Guess I just can’t bring myself to put “end of discussion” behind something that is an opinion.

    I’m also with you on the Bucs pewter pants, look very original and cool. With either jersey too, but IMO better with the white.

    White on white with a dark helemt is just so dull, every team looks somewhat the same. Like a various color M&M on top of a white golf tee. :)

  • Dwight | September 27, 2007 at 3:06 pm |

    This is the helmet ISU, I-State, Iowa State Iowa St. – whatever they are today – should have gone with, right: I love the rest of the unis, but if you are going with a “traditional” or “classic” look, isn’t this the lid?

    http://www.helmethut...

  • Trevor Kruger | September 27, 2007 at 3:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”148762″]My dad went to Iowa State and he had the following things to say about those white helmets
    available to vote for, which may explain the choice they made:

    the “Cyclones” word mark drew up too many bad memories from a period of time where they wore helemts with the same (or similar) script and totally sucked, so that one was out. done and done. i think he was more or less “ehhh” on the other designs, saying there was no way a casual fan could tune-in and immediately know who “ISU” were, etc. He did get express pretty significant displeasure about the white helemts, though. He was very against that. If his viewpoints are similar to other students and alumni, then I applaud Iowa State for not shoving a deisgn down their throats. If only professional teams would do the same.[/quote]
    BINGO…precisely what Cyclone Nation thought of the choices.

  • Tod H. | September 27, 2007 at 3:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”148763″]Is it just me or does Jersey Joe’s page look exactly like Distant Replay’s?[/quote]

    You mean overpriced?

  • AB | September 27, 2007 at 3:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”148869″][quote comment=”148867″]Mets NL East Championship Hats:

    [/quote]
    http://shop.mlb.com/...

    Doncha need to actually WIN a division before you sell merchandise with a non truthful fact?

  • todd krevanchi | September 27, 2007 at 3:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”148875″][quote comment=”148869″][quote comment=”148867″]Mets NL East Championship Hats:

    [/quote]
    http://shop.mlb.com/...

    Interesting – I’m not used to seeing that logo in blue alone.[/quote]

    i cant find the phills one…

  • Trevor Kruger | September 27, 2007 at 3:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”148903″]This is the helmet ISU, I-State, Iowa State Iowa St. – whatever they are today – should have gone with, right: I love the rest of the unis, but if you are going with a “traditional” or “classic” look, isn’t this the lid?

    http://www.helmethut...
    honestly, I think Pollard wanted that I-State to win, so that we could get rid of the Cy logo McCarney created(which is amazingly rich with tradition and history as well as looking like a new, sharp logo) and have something that was “his.” That being said, he has to know that if these helmets were put up in a vote against those old school ones we wore vs. Iowa, that the old school would win in a landslide. Hence why he instead put it up against that plain-jane ISU and the Cyclones script that reminds us all of the worst times.

  • Leo | September 27, 2007 at 3:27 pm |

    Actually, all of the NHL lettering is made by a company called Stahl’s. As a frequent visitor to the company office over the years, I have to say that they do some amazing work and have some amazing people (Paul, that’s my plug to check them out if you ever find yourself in St. Clair Shores, MI).

    On top of all the modern lettering, they also do some pretty cool stuff with old jerseys. For Christmas, I got my brother a complete 1931 Toronto Maple Leafs jersey, with the proper numbers.

  • Mike from Queens | September 27, 2007 at 3:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”148684″]How about this: Anyone who’s going to Shea between now and Sunday, pick up some of those “FIRST AID FOR CHOKING” signs they have in restaurants, bring them to the game and hold them up between innings.[/quote]

    Going tomorrow. I’ll try to locate one. That… or tape it to my back.

  • Neil | September 27, 2007 at 3:40 pm |

    Nice to see another Oilers fan in the crew, with the ’73 WHA membership card displayed above. I was actually thinking of using that exact style, gotta love the orange.

  • Aaron Scholder | September 27, 2007 at 3:43 pm |

    I’m sure you’ll like this auction Paul: http://cgi.ebay.com/...

  • Priester | September 27, 2007 at 3:50 pm |

    I was surprised to see you giving credit to the Sharks new uniforms in the ESPN article today. IMO, they are the worst design. The teal seems worse than ever and the updated logo is just plain ugly.

  • Mike from Queens | September 27, 2007 at 3:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”148758″]The reason the team name is on most home jerseys is because it’s assumed the home cowd can pick up where the team is from and would recognize any logos, but wear the teams home city on alternates so the fans in the city where they’re playing know where they’re from, and probably wouldn’t know right off the bat what city a team was from if it were simply a logo. It’s an old tradition that’s simply stood the test of time in pro sports, but makes much more sense at the college and high school level. (sorry about the run on sentence)[/quote]

    Which is why the Dallas Stars’ decision to wear the DALLAS wordmark on their home jerseys is so curious.

    [quote comment=”148794″]from the dot com:
    i would disagree about the wholesale changes in unis, in that the wnba (which is not one of the big four major sports, but it is a major team sport in north america) has had 2 league wide uni overhauls (03 and 07) since its inception 11 years ago.[/quote]

    As Paul said, the WNBA was a league-wide decision, like the NHL. In some way, both leagues are convinced that changing jerseys will help their bottom lines (as we’re constantly reminded, sports are businesses first). It’s a way to garner some publicity even when interest has waned (read: Uni Watch admittedly only stuck with the story because it would have been derelict in its self-imposed responsibility had it not).

    And… I don’t know if we can focus on the WNBA as the prototype for sound business decisions.

    [quote comment=”148887″][quote comment=”148869″][quote comment=”148867″]Mets NL East Championship Hats:

    [/quote]
    http://shop.mlb.com/...

    1. That hat is ugly.

    2. If I was a Mets fan I would stay drunk until Monday.[/quote]

    I’m working on it.

  • Matthew S. | September 27, 2007 at 3:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”148919″]I’m sure you’ll like this auction Paul: http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    The current bid is only $34? Me thinks there is something fishy going on there. Then again, he says it’s a throwback and not ‘authentic’, so I guess it is kosher.

  • hott rodd | September 27, 2007 at 4:22 pm |

    has anyone else noticed that the jersey joes NFL page does not work?

  • Joe H | September 27, 2007 at 4:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”148924″][quote comment=”148919″]I’m sure you’ll like this auction Paul: http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    The current bid is only $34? Me thinks there is something fishy going on there. Then again, he says it’s a throwback and not ‘authentic’, so I guess it is kosher.[/quote]

    It’s made by Starter…therefore it’s just a “fashion” jersey. They never did anything authentic as far as MLB Jerseys are concerned.

  • bj in gainesville | September 27, 2007 at 4:27 pm |

    Did anyone see this article on espn.com? Apparently the NMSU Aggies are going to rock pink socks this Saturday…

    http://sports.espn.g...

    if it’s already been posted, forgive me.

  • todd krevanchi | September 27, 2007 at 4:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”148923″]from the dot com:
    i would disagree about the wholesale changes in unis, in that the wnba (which is not one of the big four major sports, but it is a major team sport in north america) has had 2 league wide uni overhauls (03 and 07) since its inception 11 years ago.[/quote]

    As Paul said, the WNBA was a league-wide decision, like the NHL. In some way, both leagues are convinced that changing jerseys will help their bottom lines (as we’re constantly reminded, sports are businesses first). It’s a way to garner some publicity even when interest has waned (read: Uni Watch admittedly only stuck with the story because it would have been derelict in its self-imposed responsibility had it not).

    And… I don’t know if we can focus on the WNBA as the prototype for sound business decisions.
    [/quote]

    all i was saying was that i disagree with the the articles assertion that there was no precedent for a league wide change in uniforms for a major sports league, when the wnba has done it 2 times. i understand that it is not viewed as on of the big 4, but it is a major team sport.

  • todd krevanchi | September 27, 2007 at 4:32 pm |

    lets try this again…
    [quote comment=”148923″][quote comment=”148758″]
    [quote comment=”148794″]from the dot com:
    i would disagree about the wholesale changes in unis, in that the wnba (which is not one of the big four major sports, but it is a major team sport in north america) has had 2 league wide uni overhauls (03 and 07) since its inception 11 years ago.[/quote]

    As Paul said, the WNBA was a league-wide decision, like the NHL. In some way, both leagues are convinced that changing jerseys will help their bottom lines (as we’re constantly reminded, sports are businesses first). It’s a way to garner some publicity even when interest has waned (read: Uni Watch admittedly only stuck with the story because it would have been derelict in its self-imposed responsibility had it not).

    And… I don’t know if we can focus on the WNBA as the prototype for sound business decisions.
    [/quote]

    all i was saying was that i disagree with the the articles assertion that there was no precedent for a league wide change in uniforms for a major sports league, when the wnba has done it 2 times. i understand that it is not viewed as on of the big 4, but it is a major team sport.

  • todd krevanchi | September 27, 2007 at 4:33 pm |

    i give up…
    just the last paragraph was the rebuttal.

  • Christopher | September 27, 2007 at 4:35 pm |

    Someone just linked to an inexpensive Cubs jersey- not authentic, but a button-up and not a T-shirt.

    I’m curious (other than eBay used)… is there any good place that sells jerseys like this? I want a White Sox late-70s jersey, but I honestly don’t have $100 to spend on it. I know this’ll make some cringe, but I don’t need it authentic… just “nice enough”

    Ideas, anyone?

  • Steve | September 27, 2007 at 4:37 pm |

    Adebisi may have been a psychopath, but he also had arguable the best uni item/style on the show. I always wondered how he got that hat to stay like that, maybe Paul could find out…

  • Kenny | September 27, 2007 at 4:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”148869″][quote comment=”148867″]Mets NL East Championship Hats:

    [/quote]
    http://shop.mlb.com/...

    Man some kid in Africa is gonna love that hat

  • Joe H | September 27, 2007 at 4:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”148946″]Someone just linked to an inexpensive Cubs jersey- not authentic, but a button-up and not a T-shirt.

    I’m curious (other than eBay used)… is there any good place that sells jerseys like this? I want a White Sox late-70s jersey, but I honestly don’t have $100 to spend on it. I know this’ll make some cringe, but I don’t need it authentic… just “nice enough”

    Ideas, anyone?[/quote]

    Do you have a local flea market? I know one in Baltimore that sells halfway decent knock offs at around $50…no Cubs stuff though.

  • BS | September 27, 2007 at 5:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”148691″]I went the hopkin’s site and wrote a letter to the editor.

    I accused the dbag of stealing the Cowboy’s star and of stealing JHU’s wordmark. I called him a thief, a cheat, a fraud and a plagerist. I also dropped a slew of f bombs and other assorted cuss words on him!!!!!!!!

    HOW THE FUCK DOES THAT TASTE HOPKINS, YA SON OF A DIRTY WHORE?????[/quote]
    Mhmmm………………………………………

  • CJ | September 27, 2007 at 5:15 pm |

    Those ISU photos are crappily photoshopped.

  • timmy b | September 27, 2007 at 5:15 pm |

    don’t forget the penguins!!

    in the 80’s the pens had “century sports” sewn on the hemline, across from cooper (yes, cooper) &/or ccm. but the century sports tag should be there.

  • Mike from Queens | September 27, 2007 at 5:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”148943″]all i was saying was that i disagree with the the articles assertion that there was no precedent for a league wide change in uniforms for a major sports league, when the wnba has done it 2 times. i understand that it is not viewed as on of the big 4, but it is a major team sport.[/quote]

    I understood what you meant. But, my point is that one league on life-support following the example of another league in a coma is not going to help. What would help is getting your league on a major network.

  • josh | September 27, 2007 at 5:36 pm |

    Back in the ’70s and early’80s when the only really authentic jerseys were worn by the team, Gunzo’s used to chain-stitch all the Blackhawks’ logos by hand, and they were absolutely stunning. When CCM started mass-producing all the jerseys, the Hawks’ logo shrank by about 10% and you could tell the logos were machine-stitched from the second balcony.

    Here is an example of Gunzo’s great stitching, compared with what’s available now.

    http://sports.websho...

  • AB | September 27, 2007 at 5:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”148950″][quote comment=”148869″][quote comment=”148867″]Mets NL East Championship Hats:

    [/quote]
    http://shop.mlb.com/...

    Man some kid in Africa is gonna love that hat[/quote]

    yes the same kid wearing a 1986 Boston Red Sox World Series Champion shirt!

  • iowan | September 27, 2007 at 6:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”148912″][quote comment=”148903″]This is the helmet ISU, I-State, Iowa State Iowa St. – whatever they are today – should have gone with, right: I love the rest of the unis, but if you are going with a “traditional” or “classic” look, isn’t this the lid?

    http://www.helmethut...
    honestly, I think Pollard wanted that I-State to win, so that we could get rid of the Cy logo McCarney created(which is amazingly rich with tradition and history as well as looking like a new, sharp logo) and have something that was “his.” That being said, he has to know that if these helmets were put up in a vote against those old school ones we wore vs. Iowa, that the old school would win in a landslide. Hence why he instead put it up against that plain-jane ISU and the Cyclones script that reminds us all of the worst times.[/quote]

    That is absolutely, positively, precisely, 100% correct. ISU’s throwbacks were great, and should have become the design for next year. Pollard instead went with an amateur design that will probably last as long as most ISU designs do – 3-5 seasons. The styling and color scheme of the jerseys and pants are good. The helmet and number typeface are terrible.

  • Stuby | September 27, 2007 at 7:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”148981″][quote comment=”148912″][quote comment=”148903″]This is the helmet ISU, I-State, Iowa State Iowa St. – whatever they are today – should have gone with, right: I love the rest of the unis, but if you are going with a “traditional” or “classic” look, isn’t this the lid?

    http://www.helmethut...
    honestly, I think Pollard wanted that I-State to win, so that we could get rid of the Cy logo McCarney created(which is amazingly rich with tradition and history as well as looking like a new, sharp logo) and have something that was “his.” That being said, he has to know that if these helmets were put up in a vote against those old school ones we wore vs. Iowa, that the old school would win in a landslide. Hence why he instead put it up against that plain-jane ISU and the Cyclones script that reminds us all of the worst times.[/quote]

    That is absolutely, positively, precisely, 100% correct. ISU’s throwbacks were great, and should have become the design for next year. Pollard instead went with an amateur design that will probably last as long as most ISU designs do – 3-5 seasons. The styling and color scheme of the jerseys and pants are good. The helmet and number typeface are terrible.[/quote]
    After reading the FAQ of the AD, he sounds like a total dumbass.

  • Tim McCabe | September 27, 2007 at 7:51 pm |

    According to the Star Tribune, the Vikings will be wearing throwback uniforms on Sunday from the Chuck Foreman era (70’s). Foreman is being inducted to the Vikings Ring of Honor on Sunday.

    Scroll down to the bottom of the article — the first bullet under “Etc.”

  • CollinJ | September 27, 2007 at 8:03 pm |

    So I’m not sure this has mentioned before, but I don’t think the NHL jerseys are the first use of the REEBOX. The US men’s Soccer jerseys have a sort of reebox. Also, Loyola of Chicago’s soccer team has the same sort of reebox on their puma soccer uniforms, but I couldn’t find a picture of them.

  • =bg= | September 27, 2007 at 8:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”148880″][quote comment=”148873″][quote comment=”148727″]And did anyone else notice that the Predator’s mustard 3rd had a rounded hemline?[/quote]

    You are kidding, right?

    [quote comment=”148664″]Today is a good day. I have ended my Bonds hold-out and can proudly wear my SF Giants stuff again![/quote]

    Amen to that. Now that Bonds is gone, it will be nice to get a new 5950 New Era Giants cap.[/quote]
    I always tought I was the only Giants fan who disliked Bonds.[/quote]

    Uh………no, you’re not.

  • Nolan | September 27, 2007 at 9:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”149004″]So I’m not sure this has mentioned before, but I don’t think the NHL jerseys are the first use of the REEBOX. The US men’s Soccer jerseys have a sort of reebox. Also, Loyola of Chicago’s soccer team has the same sort of reebox on their puma soccer uniforms, but I couldn’t find a picture of them.[/quote]

    To quote from the .com page 2 article

    Little contrast-colored tab to showcase the Reebok logo (as opposed to just having the logo be the same color as the surrounding fabric, as had been standard practice in the past).

    In the US soccer uni you link to they don’t have a contrast colored background, it’s just the swoosh like normal.

  • Brian Baute | September 27, 2007 at 10:35 pm |

    From ESPN.com’s front-page feature on Bobby Bowden coaching against Bama for the first time:

    The 4th picture down on the right side shows Bowden’s scrapbook of Alabama players from when he was a boy. The photograph has obviously been reversed, because all the uniform numbers are backward.

  • Azul Army | September 27, 2007 at 10:55 pm |

    No logo creep for the painted un ‘SC unis, but good attention to detail on the shoulder stripes. And as far as cheerleader unis go, nothing can beat USC. I could run like Reggie Bush too if I was chasing them…Short video here: http://http://www.la...

  • Chad G | September 28, 2007 at 12:10 am |

    The Mets better be in blue caps and pinstripes tomorrow…I think thats the only thing that can save them.

  • Pete | September 28, 2007 at 1:09 am |

    OK, I’ll say this yet again – the All-Blacks do not have a divine right to only ever play in one kit, until quite recently they routinely played in White when teams with dark shirts (OK, scotland) visited New Zealand. Marketing pressure from Adidas has meant that in recent years if Scotland go down there they’ll wear white. In this instance, although it was played in Edinburgh (Rugby tradition was that the home team changes, seems to have been eroded in recent times) it was a world cup game, therefore the right to chose colours was decided by the toss of a coin. After than it is encumbent on the team changing colours to wear shirts which don’t clash with the shirts that the first choice clashed with… Even all-grey would have worked OK, it was the fact that they were still half black.

    As for the scotland shirts, the panels around the shoulders are not in fact grey, they are made up of a honeycomb patterned rubber layer which is finished in White. I just got mine tonight (OK, I went for the white version as it looks nicer…) and was surprised to see that, rather than just being a rubberised screen print – as you get on the replicas – it’s actually about 1mm (about 1/16th”) thick and appears to be an actual sheet of honeycomb fused to ther surface – it I get the chance I’ll try to take some photos.

    As for the piping etc, it’s the standard Canterbury Pro Shirt this year, as worn durign the World Cup by Scotland (Navy), Ireland (Emerald), South Africa (Bottle), Australia (Gold) and Japan (Cherry & White Hoops). In addition to this, all the training gear carries the same panelling, including that of Portsmouth in the EPL.

    Sorry for no links but I couldn’t get them to work today…

  • Marc from Brooklyn | September 28, 2007 at 1:25 am |

    Another that may end up with relief agencies: A Brewers Division Championship shirt.

    They have the Yankees, The Phillies, and the Padres as well. I guess they are prepared to sell as soon as someone clinches.

  • Chris Mewett | September 28, 2007 at 2:17 am |

    During the second half of tonight’s KC Wizards-LA Galaxy match, Kansas City captain Kerry Zavagnin was wearing his armband upside-down and on the wrong arm. Zavagnin had taken the armband in the 55th minute when club captain Jimmy Conrad was sent off, which means he probably wasn’t paying much attention to the way he put it on. No photos, since the MLS team websites give you plenty of audio and video but have no section for still pictures, which is absolutely unbelievable to me.

  • Chris | September 28, 2007 at 2:32 am |

    [quote comment=”148737″]For those who quit paying attention, the NHL Tournament of Logos ended on a sad note. No, the Lightning didn’t win.

    Apparently a couple of computer-savvy bozos wrote scripts to vote repeatedly, artificially driving up the vote count for both finalists (Canadiens v Blues). The owner of the site took down the tournament indefinitely, noticing 60,000 votes cast in 30,000 site visits.

    (insert joke on American political system)

    A sad day for democracy.[/quote]

    Not that anyone was probably wondering anyway, but I am giving that poll another shot. It ain’t over ’til it’s over.

    http://nhllogos.blog...

    Chris
    NHLToL

  • jere | September 28, 2007 at 2:36 am |

    Am I the only one who noticed that on the Yanks’ “championship” shirts, they had “AL West champions” on the back?

    About Iowa State: I don’t like how they really focused on the word “state.” It’s the most generic “team name” in college football history. Need a fake football pennant on the wall in the background of your movie? Just take a triangular piece of paper and write “State” on it. Need a fake team name for Alfalfa when he dreams about playing football in your Little Rascals episode? Just write “STATE” on a T-shirt and throw a number below it. And the “I” behind it: the most generic-looking letter there is. If I see them on TV, I’ll be yelling “fake” at the screen.

    And for the guy who was looking for rookie hazing pics, if you want, I can send you a shot I took of some Twins pitcher with a purple backpack tonight at Fenway.

  • John | September 28, 2007 at 10:30 am |

    [quote comment=”148812″][quote comment=”148788″][quote comment=”148724″]Lukas, why do you seem to be in love with white jerseys and dark pants? NO, NO, NO, NO! That is totally GROSS! Iowa State should wear gold pants both home and away with a gold helmet.[/quote]

    I’m with Lukas.

    White jerseys and dark pants ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS looks better than white on white (aka, the milkman look, alternatively, the baseball uni look). The white on gold are OK, but I like the white on red better.[/quote]

    I disagree. In the NFL, white-on-white looks fantastic, and under no circumstances should pants be any color aside from white, yellow, gold, silver or gray.

    In college, it is ok to be flashy and wear pants of any color, so long as there is not a monochrome look working.[/quote]

    I’m generally not a fan of white on white, but that is Oregon’s ONLY decent combo. And once a year or so, Florida State wears white pants on the road, which looks pretty sharp. The ONLY way FSU can screw up their unis is by breaking out the awful looking garnet pants.

  • zach | September 28, 2007 at 12:15 pm |

    The guy who does eyeblack is a friend of mine and he has made eye black for my football team and for my swim team. The last home meet of the year we always had seahawks on the eye black.When they ran a photo of people wearing them me and my friends were pictured wearing them.

  • E Ro | September 28, 2007 at 12:53 pm |

    Paul,

    I just wanted to say i loved your article yesterday about the new NHL uniforms… You nailed it perfectly. I only wish you would mentioned the toronto pajamas.

    I hope high up people are listening.

  • Greg | September 29, 2007 at 2:57 am |

    Regarding Iowa State’s new uniform. Replace the stripes on the shoulders with a crescent and the logo on the helmet and you get the #1 team in the nation. Weak.