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See Spot Run

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Something weird is going on with the Tigers (besides the fact that they’re flushing their postseason hopes down the crapper). It involves that little orange dot on the crown of their road batting helmets. Or at least it’s supposed to be there — but lately it’s been a little more complicated than that.

The most obvious problem child is Gary Sheffield, whose dot has been way off-center in recent days. Then there’s Curtis Granderson, whose dot is several inches too far forward. But at least Sheffield and Granderson have their dots — Placido Polanco‘s orange dot is missing altogether.

It’s been a while since I’ve written about the helmet dots, so here’s a quick recap: Most MLB teams use them, and they’re actually included in MLB helmet decal kits. They sort of mimic the button on the top of a cap, but that doesn’t explain why the dots are sometimes used by teams that don’t have contrast-colored cap buttons. A spokesman from Rawlings, which makes all the MLB helmets, once told me that the little dots were a visual trademark of ABC Helmet (the company that originally made the helmets) and were continued by Rawlings in the interest of continuity, even though they don’t always match the caps. To my way of thinking, the dots are a silly anachronism at best, and they make no sense at all on a CoolFlo helmet, since the newfangled lids don’t are only loosely based on caps anyway.

None of which explains the situation with the Tigers. Is it some sort of superstitious good luck charm? Is it a way of sending signals that even Bill Belichick can’t steal? Is it a way to get people to stop talking about those other helmet dots? (I still get two or three questions a day about that — incredible.) If anyone knows the deal, please fill us in.

(Special thanks to Benjamin Bonnett and intern Vince Grzegorek, who brought the Tigers situation to my attention.)

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MLB 2008 Update: I have a feeling this link isn’t gonna stay up for long, but for now you can see most of the 2008 MLB uni revisions — including, yes, the new Tampa design — here. Discuss.

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Typography Update: Yesterday brought still more chest/sleeve typographic inconsistencies (the first two of which were contributed by Brendon Yarian):

• Check out the lower serif on the 2 worn by the mid-’80s Browns (home, road).

• Ohio State’s 4 in the mid-1970s had a lower serif on the chest but not on the sleeve (home, road).

Dennis Jones noted in yesterday’s comments that the Cowboys have had chest/shoulder inconsistencies with a variety of numerals, including 2, 2 again, 3, 7, and 7 again.

• Yesterday I mentioned that the Jets had inconsistent 2s in the late ’60s, but the pseudonymous Graf Zeppelin pointed out in yesterday’s comments that they apparently had a similar problem 20 years later, as seen on the cover of their 1989 yearbook. That prompted a spectacularly informative follow-up comment from sj32:

The reason there are two different typefaces is because the jerseys were made by two different manufacturers. The jersey Shuler is wearing was made by Sand Knit while the “22″ jersey was made by Champion. In the ’60s, ’70s, and ’80s, the number font on the jerseys was often determined by which company manufactured it. In that era, Sand Knit, Russell Athletic, and Champion were the primary suppliers (with King O’Shea, Southland Athletic, and Wilson supplying a couple of teams). A Champion jersey was usually identifiable by the slanted middle of the 2s and the curved 7s. Sand Knit and Russell used standard block fonts, but there were slight differences. Sand Knit produced the jerseys with the notched 5s used by Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, etc. The Russell jerseys were somewhat narrower than the Sand numbers, particularly on the sleeves.

Meanwhile, design director Scott M.X. Turner checked in with a few thoughts on the matter:

2s are the only digit where a bar — not a serif, but a bar — can shift dramatically, 45 and 90 degree angles. (7s can a bit — sometimes they’re rendered with a curve even when the number set is all straight lines.) I think that a 2’s middle bar is altered from jersey front/back to sleeve because a diagonal bar looks skinnier than a horizontal bar. Also, compressed number sets support a diagonal 2 better than a horizontal-bar 2, which tends to look squeezed when compressed. Me, I like compressed sets, but for the smaller TV numbers — either shoulder yoke or sleeve placement — it’s not as readable.

Why a team would have one variety on the home jersey and the other on its road jersey, that’s anybody’s guess. The easy default answer — that back in the day (meaning 1980 and prior, generally), the manufacturer just used whatever was lying around — works some of the time. But there have to be instances when a decision was made that one 2 looked better than another.

By the way, the very best example, of different number sets front and back is the late ’60s UCLA basketball jersey — the Lew Alcindor era. Front was a squat, boxy style, and the back was an elegant, narrow vertical style. Maybe they adopted this to make Alcindor look taller — I wouldn’t be surprised at all. Pretty sure that before Alcindor, the front style was also the back style.

Speaking of typography, a new documentary film about the typeface Helvetica (called, of course, Helvetica) is currently screening here in New York. I saw it two nights ago and loved it. No team I can think of has ever used Helvetica on its uniforms, which helps explain why the movie has no sports-related content, but there are several good interludes with graphic designer Michael Beirut, who I know has done some work for the Jets, plus plenty of detail-driven bits that should appeal to anyone who Gets It™. Recommended viewing.

Unusual Research Request: I’m looking for someone in the New York area who can read lips. Sports fan preferred; availability for watching lots of mid-October sports in the company of an ESPN reporter of my approximate height and build essential. If you know of anyone who fits the bill, please get in touch. Thanks.

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Raffle Reminder: Today’s the last day to enter the raffle for the L.A. Kings jersey, the Washington Capitals T-shirt, and the bunch of MLB sleeve patches. To enter, send an e-mail to uniraffle at earthlink dot net by this 10 p.m. eastern tonight. I’ll announce the winners tomorrow. One e-mail per person, but anyone enrolled in the Uni Watch membership program by the time of the drawing will automatically get three bonus entries.

Oh, and by the way: Last month I was saying that there’d be a real doozy of a raffle in September. This isn’t it — the doozy is yet to come. Just waiting for one last piece to fall into place.

Uni Watch News Ticker: Forgot to mention that my Financial Times article about the Lelands sports memorabilia auction house (research for which was documented here) was published on Saturday. The article is here, and there’s a sidebar here. … Several unusual wristbands in this shot (with thanks to Jeremy Brahm). … Pat Ratliff notes that Devin Hester is up to his old double sock tricks. I forgot to mention that Giants equipment director Joe Skiba showed me something last Friday that may explain this phenomenon: Several of the Giants’ players have socks sewn into the bottom of their pants and then wear an additional pair of socks over that. That’s probably what Hester is doing. … As a big fan of green and gold, I have a soft spot for Norfolk State’s design. Go Spartans! (With thanks to Bruce Soltys.) … We’ve previously mentioned how MTSU uses huge nameplate lettering for short surnames, but you can’t fully appreciate the absurdity of it until you see this (with thanks to Chad Cate). … Brad Bierman just alerted me to a uni-related attraction I hadn’t previously been aware of: the Philadelphia Athletics Historical Society Museum, which looks pretty cool. … Reprinted from yesterday’s comments: The Phillies used to have a raised helmet appliqué, just as the Cubs still do. … We’ve all seen baseball players who wear state or national flags on their gloves. But here’s something I haven’t seen before: Clay Buchholz wears the Texas state flag inside his glove (genius catch by Randy Williams). … Here’s a rare sight: a pitcher who wears No. 0. He’s even got it on his undershirt collar (with thanks to Jeremy Brahm).

 

344 comments to See Spot Run

  • Allan Chandler | September 20, 2007 at 9:03 am |

    Tampa’s new duds –

    Boring. Stupid. What’s the deal with the starburst?

    The Jersey looks like someone typed “Rays” on it. Ugh.

    I simply cannot understand all the brouhaha about a new identity, and then this is what they come up with? Please – I hope the link was erroneous.

  • DJ | September 20, 2007 at 9:07 am |

    Boring. Stupid. What’s the deal with the starburst?

    Sunburst, probably.

    Why couldn’t they just go with “Manta Rays”? They could’ve still used the “Rays” contraction (like Portland contracts to “Blazers” and Seattle contracts to “Sonics”).

  • Brian | September 20, 2007 at 9:07 am |

    Re: the Devil Rays’ new duds.

    Can anyone post a picture, the site Paul provided is firewalled for me.

    Thanks!

  • Alan | September 20, 2007 at 9:09 am |

    Wow, those Rays unis remind me of the Royals and the star is realy pointless. Oh well.

  • matt1977 | September 20, 2007 at 9:09 am |

    Rays- I like the green better. Why another blue team?

    The Browns signed P Scott Player so we’ll get some single bar action this week…

  • Michael B | September 20, 2007 at 9:09 am |

    If those pictures are real, Tampa now has the worst uniforms in the league…ugh, they are like a minor league team with those uni’s

  • Eriq Jaffe | September 20, 2007 at 9:10 am |

    According to that link, the Rays’ alternate jerseys appear to be batting practice jerseys…overall, they’re certainly no improvement to what they currently have.

  • Matt | September 20, 2007 at 9:11 am |

    O man…Tampa Bay….

    SaWING and a miss!

    I really wits they would have just gone to a Green and White color scheme that was tasteful.

    Also…Why does the Home Alt. and Away Alt. jerseys look like this years BP jerseys???

    Hope that isn’t going to be a trend….

  • Boston Nick | September 20, 2007 at 9:11 am |

    They may be throwbacks, but those Cleveland alternates are pretty amazingly boring as well.

  • Paul Lukas | September 20, 2007 at 9:11 am |

    [quote comment=”144863″]According to that link, the Rays’ alternate jerseys appear to be batting practice jerseys…overall, they’re certainly no improvement to what they currently have.[/quote]

    Those are indeed the BP jerseys — there’s no alternate jersey. Just a case of mislabeling on that list.

    Everything shown there is legit. I’m not allowed to show any of this to you myself, but I don’t mind linking to someone ELSE who’s showing it.

  • Robert | September 20, 2007 at 9:12 am |

    [quote comment=”144863″]According to that link, the Rays’ alternate jerseys appear to be batting practice jerseys…overall, they’re certainly no improvement to what they currently have.[/quote]

    I was just getting ready to make the same comment about the alternates. Are those really the alts or are they batting practice jerseys?

    Big thumbs down to the Rays. They should have simply fine-tuned what they have now.

  • SL | September 20, 2007 at 9:15 am |

    Re: Rays: And are those white stripes running on the side of the jersey beneath the arm on the alternate home and alternate road jerseys? Looks like BP jerseys to me. Ugh.

  • Stuby | September 20, 2007 at 9:18 am |

    So the Devil Rays are pulling a D-Back and ripping off another teams color scheme. In this case, the victim of theft is the Padres. Those ‘Alternate’ jerseys look suspiciously like BP jerseys (i.e. ugly as Hell).

    Nope. Don’t like ’em. Boring and uninspired.

  • Bob D | September 20, 2007 at 9:18 am |

    Throwbacks for my Skins this weekend.

  • The Original Lee | September 20, 2007 at 9:19 am |

    Nice article in the FT Paul. dont know how i missed it, i read the FT almost as religiously as uniwatch.

  • Jake | September 20, 2007 at 9:20 am |

    Tampa Bay :

    Fist, why was it so important to take the word “Devil” out of the name ? I think “Rays” is bland and uninspired.

    Second, the green was pretty distinctive… jumping to a blue lumps them in with a lot of other clubs.

    Third, the Devil Rays play in St. Pete, but they are called the Tampa Bay Devil Rays… the team very intentionally connected itself with the whole area – so why take the location off the away jerseys ? Here in Baltimore, that’s a very contentious issue. I can’t imagine why you’d do it in this case.

    Toronto:

    I have a soft spot in my heart for the 80s unis that were all one color (the god-awful Phillies uniforms, the Orioles in solid orange, etc.) so I actually like the alternate unis.

    [shrugs]
    Hey, everyone’s entitled to a little bad taste sometimes.

  • Seth H | September 20, 2007 at 9:22 am |

    Players are questioning whether the new RBK Edge system might contribute to injuries in fights. (The following quote from a NY Post article is kind of lengthy for a “comment”, but I think it is worth it):

    “Janssen will require surgical repair on his separated right shoulder. The forward missed 11 games last season with a dislocation of that shoulder, and reinjured it in two fights during Monday’s exhibition opener, a 3-2 loss to the Flyers in Trenton. Lamoriello said Janssen’s surgery will be delayed until the swelling goes down.

    “Though Janssen does not blame the NHL’s new jerseys for his shoulder injury, other Devils said they are concerned the stretchy, streamlined sweaters played a significant role in the poundings Janssen suffered and fear they can lead to major injuries.

    “They’ll be donning those newfangled jerseys again tonight when they face the Bruins in Manchester, N.H., and at the Garden tomorrow against the Rangers.

    Janssen twice lost bouts to Flyer Jesse Boulerice, each after Boulerice pulled Janssen’s jersey over the Devil’s head and flailed away.

    “‘I’ve seen Janssen fight quite a bit and I’ve never seen that,’ said Mike Rupp, among the other combatants that night. ‘It’s still early to know, but if it is a problem, somebody could be hurt very, very badly. It could be an eye.’

    “The old tactic of immobilizing and blinding a foe by pulling his jersey over his head had been minimized by the mandated tie-downs on the inside back of the previous jerseys. They didn’t work Monday.

    “Arron Asham said the jerseys are coming apart, literally, at the seams.

    “‘They seem to be ripping right from the shoulders back. The tie-downs are too long, as well,’ said Asham, who also fought in that exhibition opener. ‘Hopefully they can look at it and fix the problem before anyone else gets hurt.

    “‘It probably had something to do with it. You don’t want other guys going down with serious injuries because of the jerseys. I’ve seen a few of them rip now, so . . . mine ripped. Our jerseys are so tight, if someone grabs them, they’re bound to rip.’

    ‘Lamoriello, who wasn’t a fan of the fashion makeover to begin with, said, ‘I’m looking into it.'”

  • Bluesfan | September 20, 2007 at 9:22 am |

    Rays uniforms are more boring than ugly. It is amazing they spend all this time and money to come up with that. What a waste!

    Paul, your soft spot for the Norfolk State unis must be on your head. Those are ugly! The only way to make them look good is to show them side by side with Oregon’s horrible uniforms.

  • Jill | September 20, 2007 at 9:23 am |

    [quote comment=”144862″]If those pictures are real, Tampa now has the worst uniforms in the league…ugh, they are like a minor league team with those uni’s[/quote]

    If you are going to play like a minor league team, might as well look like one.

  • Walaitis | September 20, 2007 at 9:24 am |

    When I first heard that KC was considering going back to the powder blues as an alternate, I was concerned. Powder blue? In 2008? How rediculous would that look to wear powder blue jerseys and pants in the majors in this day and age? Then I saw the mock-up. So, the only thing worse than blue shirts and pants is powder blue shirts with WHITE pants! If you’re gonna go there, do it right.

  • jake sorg | September 20, 2007 at 9:25 am |

    Is it a way to get people to stop talking about those other helmet dots?

    I imagine that this was supposed to be a link the the green dots on the NFL helmets.

  • MT in Cincy | September 20, 2007 at 9:26 am |

    Notice how the new Rays jerseys don’t say “Tampa Bay” on them except for the “TB” on the caps?

  • Mike | September 20, 2007 at 9:27 am |

    2 easy questions:

    1) What is tackle twill?

    2) What is chain stitching?

  • Cork Gaines | September 20, 2007 at 9:27 am |

    HERE is a campaign to get the Rays to include striped stirrups in the new Unis. Could help

  • Paul Lukas | September 20, 2007 at 9:27 am |

    [quote comment=”144875″]Rays uniforms are more boring than ugly.[/quote]

    Which is exactly what I said yesterday. Such a snooze! Hard to believe that’s really the best (or worst, or most distinctive) anyone could come up with.

  • Chris | September 20, 2007 at 9:28 am |

    The Rays jerseys are a big disappointment. When I heard they were going to include blue and yellow, I was expecting blue and yellow not a Tinkerbell star on the jersey. I like navy blue and light blue as opposed to royal blue and light blue.

  • Adam | September 20, 2007 at 9:29 am |

    I can’t view that MLB uniforms page at work, and it’ll probably be gone before I get home. Can somebody post pictures on Flickr, or at least tell me what teams besides Tampa have changes? Thanks.

  • Paul Lukas | September 20, 2007 at 9:29 am |

    [quote comment=”144878″]Is it a way to get people to stop talking about those other helmet dots?

    I imagine that this was supposed to be a link the the green dots on the NFL helmets.[/quote]

    Yes, thanks. Fixed.

  • Robert | September 20, 2007 at 9:32 am |

    The Royals alt powder blues look very out of place with white pants. I understand that they needed to go that route if they wanted to wear them at home, but they just look so odd without the matching blue pants.

  • dilbert719 | September 20, 2007 at 9:32 am |

    Tampa Bay: Bleah.

    Cleveland: I prefer the Chief Wahoo hat, but I can understand the reasoning for a block C hat. Just don’t care for it much.

    Kansas City, Philly, and Toronto: JOY!!!!

    Seriously, the more powder/sky blue in the majors, the better, especially on the Royals, who can really get away with it. And the Blue Jays, bringing back the light blue AND the old logo? I love it. Phils, I was so afraid we were going to get a Phillies version of the Angels’ blood clot design that anything else would have made me happy, but this is old school, tasteful… perfect. All it needs (and I don’t recall seeing them) is stirrups.

  • ScottyJ in WV | September 20, 2007 at 9:33 am |

    The Devil Rays new look isn’t very good. Very bland and uninspiring. The sad thing is somebody got paid a lot of money to come up with that.

    Hell, they could’ve gotten 10 people that post here regularly and they would’ve turned out something infinitely better than that.

    Paul, I too like green and gold as a combo, but Norfolk State’s execution of said combo is less than good. The word ugly actually comes to mind.

    Now, this is good.

  • Big Mike | September 20, 2007 at 9:34 am |

    The new Phillies alts are just a re-do of the unis from the early ’40s. I guess I’m wondering why?

    It looks like the new Indians alts are all-white, too. Is plain white the new black of alt unis? In the Phils’ case, all they did was remove the pinstripes. It’s not drastic enough to promote sales (which is the only reason for any alts in the first place).

  • Johnny Garfield | September 20, 2007 at 9:34 am |

    I believe the Phillies, in the 1970-91 uniforms, used Helvetica for their numbers.

  • Johnny O | September 20, 2007 at 9:34 am |

    [quote comment=”144882″][quote comment=”144875″]Rays uniforms are more boring than ugly.[/quote]

    Which is exactly what I said yesterday. Such a snooze! Hard to believe that’s really the best (or worst, or most distinctive) anyone could come up with.[/quote]
    I mean come on. I guarantee almost anyone on this site could have come up with a much better design in a week’s time then it took these yahoo’s to come up with that boring design. Forget about the colors for a second. They are just boring. It almost looks as if they are going retro, although we all know they are not that old to have a retro kit. Simple is not always good. A HUUUUUUUUUGE thumbs down to this organization for not taking the time and the effort into making a great uni, or at least a great logo.

  • chris | September 20, 2007 at 9:36 am |

    I pass the Phila. Athletics museum everyday when I go to/from work. I’ve been meaninig to stop inside and snap some pictures but it’s only open until 3:00

  • MT in Chicago | September 20, 2007 at 9:36 am |

    [quote comment=”144882″][quote comment=”144875″]Rays uniforms are more boring than ugly.[/quote]

    Which is exactly what I said yesterday. Such a snooze! Hard to believe that’s really the best (or worst, or most distinctive) anyone could come up with.[/quote]

    But we must remember….

    No one on this blog likes any uniform design…period.

    All it is is a bitchfest.

  • Kevin from Ohio in Virginia | September 20, 2007 at 9:38 am |

    PLEASE SOMEONE SHARE PICS WE CAN ALL VIEW!!! THIS IS KILLING ME!!!

  • Joe M | September 20, 2007 at 9:39 am |

    Paul,

    Yes, it’s a goofy name and even Red Sox fans still have not become used to it.

    Buchholz

  • keek80 | September 20, 2007 at 9:39 am |

    i think the Rays uniforms are boring. Especially the Cap. They could’ve thought of something better then that. Plus what is the point of dropping the devil in devil rays if ur still gonna have a devil rays patch on your sleeve. Especially when they have the sunburst or whatever it is on there. You can’t have it both ways. use the rays as in sunrays more and ditch the rays as in devil rays altogether. Put a sun on there or something. Wouldn’t the sunburst with the TB make a great cap. Just my thoughts.

  • Jason | September 20, 2007 at 9:40 am |

    Silly raffle question:

    It is said that members get three BONUS entries. Does this mean that you still need to send an email, or do members automatically get three entries regardless.

  • Joe Drennan | September 20, 2007 at 9:40 am |

    In refernce to the RBK Egde jerseys causing injuries to enforcers in hockey, I suppose the enforcers will simply have their jerseys tailored like they did with the old jerseys to allow for roomier arms. They did this in the old jerseys to allow for more wiggle room when somebody had their jersey sleve, allowing them to still move the arm and land punchhes. I suppose it’ll be a little hard to get away with a sleve that lose with the new jerseys, but I doublt any will complain if they’re a bit looser to prevent injury.

    Now before people jump all over this saying there shouldn’t be fighting in hockey – there is fighting, has been, always will be. If you want to discuss this send me an e-mail. I’d be glad to debate, but this isn’t the forum for such a debate.

  • Chance | September 20, 2007 at 9:41 am |

    [quote comment=”144897″][quote comment=”144882″][quote comment=”144875″]Rays uniforms are more boring than ugly.[/quote]

    Which is exactly what I said yesterday. Such a snooze! Hard to believe that’s really the best (or worst, or most distinctive) anyone could come up with.[/quote]

    But we must remember….

    No one on this blog likes any uniform design…period.

    All it is is a bitchfest.[/quote]
    Good-bye, then.

  • BDiamond | September 20, 2007 at 9:41 am |

    On the bright side, maybe we’ll talking about the Rays jersey in another couple years when we re-visit those one and done uniforms.

  • Paul Lukas | September 20, 2007 at 9:41 am |

    [quote comment=”144900″]Paul,

    Yes, it’s a goofy name and even Red Sox fans still have not become used to it.

    Buchholz[/quote]

    Oops, sorry. Thanks for pointing it out — fixed now.

  • Bluesfan | September 20, 2007 at 9:41 am |

    Let’s give the Rays some credit.

    They have been consistently a bad team

    They have been consistently poorly run

    They have been consistently known as Tampa Bay, but play in St. Pete

    They consistently play in the most ridiculous stadium

    They now come up with a style that is boring and unimaginitive…but consistent with their history of being mediocre (at best)

    The uniform decision should not be a surprise given all this.

  • Stephen | September 20, 2007 at 9:42 am |

    D’oh! I think I had a post eaten…Oh well, let’s try again….

    I like the color scheme for Tampa’s new uni’s, but the wordmark seems contrived. Could have been much better.

    And, regarding Dale Jr.’s new car designs, I actually like them. I thought they were pretty sharp. Didn’t like the font or color of the numbers at first, but it is growing on me.

    And I thought this was interesting. It is a set of printable stickers that AMP has on their site so all the people with one “8” on all their Jr. stuff can add the second “8” beside it…

    ~E~

  • Paul Lukas | September 20, 2007 at 9:43 am |

    [quote comment=”144902″]Silly raffle question:

    It is said that members get three BONUS entries. Does this mean that you still need to send an email, or do members automatically get three entries regardless.[/quote]

    You don’t NEED to send an e-mail — if you’re a member by 10pm tonight, you will automatically get three entries in the raffle. You can also send an e-mail just like anyone else, giving you a total of four entries.

  • ross | September 20, 2007 at 9:44 am |

    not only are the rays unis bland, but why would they try to look exactly like the royals? maybe they’re trying to fool ther fans into thinking they’re another team (i don’t know why they would choose kc though).

    i wish the phillies would go back to powder blues, i think it could even work with their current uni

  • Chris | September 20, 2007 at 9:45 am |

    The new Rays unis remind me of this. Wanna buy a pineapple?

  • Bluesfan | September 20, 2007 at 9:46 am |

    No one on this blog likes any uniform design…period.

    All it is is a bitchfest.

    Clearly this person did not see the conversation on the hockey uniforms. Yes, some dislikes, but people were complimenting teams like the Blue Jackets. And there was both high praise and high condemnation for the Blues (good), Stars(bad), Canucks (UGH!) and Coyotes (very good).

  • ditchfarmer | September 20, 2007 at 9:47 am |

    When I see teams changing the BP caps, I assume that means they will change the side panels to the same color as the rest of the hat, sort of a loophole to wear the required hat, but not look so stupid.

  • JPRays | September 20, 2007 at 9:48 am |

    Rays Uniforms. What a travesty. Just picture those boring things in the Trop. After all the great things the new ownership has done, they bust out this number. I was actually really excited about this. Then looked what gets spit out.

    There were better concepts done by amateurs then what got turned out by these so called professionals.

  • Johnny O | September 20, 2007 at 9:48 am |

    I can’t think of it for the life of me right now, but I know there is a college team out there that has almost the same stylized “R” as the Rays new logo. It looks like a combination of that, and the Lakers logo as well.

    Look at the “R” in Lakers. It isn’t that close, but you get the idea

  • Eriq Jaffe | September 20, 2007 at 9:48 am |

    A far, far, far better “Tampa Bay Rays” set was done by a guy on the Chris Creamer boards:

    http://boards.sports...

    In particular, his interlocking “TB” cap logo is a thing of beauty.

  • Walaitis | September 20, 2007 at 9:52 am |

    [quote comment=”144897″][quote comment=”144882″][quote comment=”144875″]Rays uniforms are more boring than ugly.[/quote]

    Which is exactly what I said yesterday. Such a snooze! Hard to believe that’s really the best (or worst, or most distinctive) anyone could come up with.[/quote]

    But we must remember….

    No one on this blog likes any uniform design…period.

    All it is is a bitchfest.[/quote]

    Uniform designs (generally) liked by the majority of readers here (if I may be so bold and willing to speak for the masses):

    Red Sox
    Yankees
    Tigers
    White Sox (hate to admit it)
    Braves (non-alternate)
    Cubs
    Cardinals (hate to admit it)
    Dodgers

    … and that’s just MLB! See, no bitching required. Good taste is all it takes.

  • Shaftman | September 20, 2007 at 9:52 am |

    The thing I don’t get about the Rays is this. They have a nice color scheme and one of the nicer uniforms already. While some may not like the “Devil” in the name, there is certainly nothing wrong with having it in there. Methinks the people running the orginization would just be better served putting out a good team.

  • Jason Axel | September 20, 2007 at 9:55 am |

    Well at least now, the Rays can claim that the reason their fans fall asleep at games is now because of their boring uniforms instead of just their boring attempt at playing major league baseball.

    those are so bland I think they’d be better off playing with a blank uniform.

  • Bluesfan | September 20, 2007 at 9:56 am |

    … and that’s just MLB! See, no bitching required. Good taste is all it takes

    Amen to Walaitis.

  • Scientific | September 20, 2007 at 10:02 am |

    Just so you know, the Rays have already begun the process of getting their fans used to the new color scheme:

    http://tampabay.devi...

    Personally, I think those uniforms are a joke. What use is a sunburst when you PLAY IN A DOME?

    As an Indians fan, I love the new alternates. I hated the vests, and I HATE the Wahoo logo (don’t get me started). Love to see the “C” return to the hat.

  • michael | September 20, 2007 at 10:04 am |

    Rays uni’s are a HUGE! let down. boring logo, boring color choice and execution. Seriously the MLB needs to start thinking out of the box with the color choices as of late its either red, blue, or black. as someone commented before anyone here could come up with something totally better than this and right someone got paid ALOT of money to do this too. even with those color choices they could of done something more interesting than that. i like that the bluejays are using that throwback for their alternate, its one of my favorite uni’s i’d say the number font is probably my favorite. i like the new phils but hate the hat.

  • Stuby | September 20, 2007 at 10:04 am |

    [quote comment=”144920″]The thing I don’t get about the Rays is this. They have a nice color scheme and one of the nicer uniforms already. While some may not like the “Devil” in the name, there is certainly nothing wrong with having it in there. Methinks the people running the orginization would just be better served putting out a good team.[/quote]
    Or selling it, because it seems they have no clue how to run a team.

  • Tao of Stieb | September 20, 2007 at 10:05 am |

    Powder blues! The original font! Original logo!

    It’s almost enough to make us forget about the Jays’ crappy season!

    Now, if only they would swap out the stupid black in their caps and alts for a royal or midnight blue, all would be right with the world.

    (Well, except for all the war, famine and pestilence, but you get the drift.)

    Joy!

  • MikeB | September 20, 2007 at 10:05 am |

    The Tribe’s throwback alternate is interesting, but that’s not the big news…

    Cleveland
    -Removal of metallic silver in all Club logo, uniform lettering and marks

    It’s about time! There was never any reason for that stupid looking silver trim on the uniforms in the first place. It just cluttered up the wordmark and logos.

  • Kevin | September 20, 2007 at 10:06 am |

    Unusual Research Request: I’m looking for someone in the New York area who can read lips. Sports fan preferred; availability for watching lots of mid-October sports in the company of an ESPN reporter of my approximate height and build essential. If you know of anyone who fits the bill, please get in touch. Thanks.

    I’m intrigued already by what this may be for.

  • Matt B | September 20, 2007 at 10:06 am |

    I had a thought about the rounded hemlines for the new NHL jerseys: would they look better untucked if the rounded portion were colored to match the breezers so that they blended in?

  • Johnny O | September 20, 2007 at 10:07 am |

    [quote comment=”144916″]I can’t think of it for the life of me right now, but I know there is a college team out there that has almost the same stylized “R” as the Rays new logo. It looks like a combination of that, and the Lakers logo as well.

    Look at the “R” in Lakers. It isn’t that close, but you get the idea[/quote]
    I figured out my own question, and it would have been a lot harder than I thought. The stylized “R” I was talking about was from DIII football team Ripon Red Hawks from Ripon, WI. Here is their logo…
    Ripon Red Hawks

  • Hank | September 20, 2007 at 10:08 am |

    Alternate unis for the Phillies is a welcome sight. And as they are based on the 1948-49 design, which is my fav, makes it all the better.

    They should ditch those pinstripes altogether.

  • Joe | September 20, 2007 at 10:09 am |

    [quote comment=”144857″]Re: the Devil Rays’ new duds.

    Can anyone post a picture, the site Paul provided is firewalled for me.

    Thanks![/quote]

    I’ll echo this. Can anyone help a brother out?

  • Donny | September 20, 2007 at 10:10 am |

    The infmous early ’90s Philadelphia Sixers unis featured Helvetica. http://espn.go.com/p...

  • Joe Drennan | September 20, 2007 at 10:11 am |

    [quote comment=”144934″]I had a thought about the rounded hemlines for the new NHL jerseys: would they look better untucked if the rounded portion were colored to match the breezers so that they blended in?[/quote]
    I got my 2007-08 season NHL catalouge yesterday and the first page had all the new jerseys. Great visual run down, but I immediatly noticed that thy photoshoped the jerseys giving the hemline a straigh appearance, not the true rounded hemline. I found this interesting.

  • AB | September 20, 2007 at 10:12 am |

    Can any one, ANY ONE actually post a link that WORKS for the new Deviled Egg’s Uniforms?

  • Shaftman | September 20, 2007 at 10:16 am |

    [quote comment=”144942″]Can any one, ANY ONE actually post a link that WORKS for the new Deviled Egg’s Uniforms?[/quote]

    I am putting them on flickr.com now. Give me about 5 minutes and I’ll post a link.

  • Jkads | September 20, 2007 at 10:17 am |

    MikeB agree 100% on the silver trim

  • Donny | September 20, 2007 at 10:17 am |

    “I believe the Phillies, in the 1970-91 uniforms, used Helvetica for their numbers.”

    Not quite, the vertical bar in the number 5 is slanted slightly in Helvetica, but was straight up-and-down in the Phillies’ old typeface. http://content.image...

  • Paul Lukas | September 20, 2007 at 10:17 am |

    [quote comment=”144941″][quote comment=”144934″]I had a thought about the rounded hemlines for the new NHL jerseys: would they look better untucked if the rounded portion were colored to match the breezers so that they blended in?[/quote]
    I got my 2007-08 season NHL catalouge yesterday and the first page had all the new jerseys. Great visual run down, but I immediatly noticed that thy photoshoped the jerseys giving the hemline a straigh appearance, not the true rounded hemline. I found this interesting.[/quote]

    I believe the replicas have straight hems. That might be what they’re showing.

  • Rich | September 20, 2007 at 10:19 am |

    [quote comment=”144899″]PLEASE SOMEONE SHARE PICS WE CAN ALL VIEW!!! THIS IS KILLING ME!!![/quote]

    Here you go Kevin:
    http://i201.photobuc...
    http://i201.photobuc...
    http://i201.photobuc...
    http://i201.photobuc...
    http://i201.photobuc...

  • Shaftman | September 20, 2007 at 10:19 am |

    Tampa Bay RAYS uni pics on Flickr.com

    Let me know if you have any problems viewing them as I have not used flickr before. Thanks.

  • Bluesfan | September 20, 2007 at 10:19 am |

    Unusual Research Request: I’m looking for someone in the New York area who can read lips. Sports fan preferred; availability for watching lots of mid-October sports in the company of an ESPN reporter of my approximate height and build essential. If you know of anyone who fits the bill, please get in touch. Thanks.

    I think this request comes from Bill BelaCHEAT…I mean Belichick

  • Andy | September 20, 2007 at 10:20 am |

    [quote comment=”144942″]Can any one, ANY ONE actually post a link that WORKS for the new Deviled Egg’s Uniforms?[/quote]

    Seeing everyone asking repeatedly for a link (to the new Rays unis) that works reminds me of little kids asking their buddies for a chance to smell something really gross…like a fart in a jar or something…and when they finally get to smell it, they go on and on about how gross it smelled and how they wished they’d never smelled it at all.

  • al | September 20, 2007 at 10:21 am |

    I will miss the d’rays vest with green sleeve unis … i though it was unique, and now they have become just like everyone else.

    good news is that the royals will bring back the blue uni!!!

  • Kip Whiffle | September 20, 2007 at 10:21 am |

    I admit the Rays new uniforms aren’t the best, but I kinda like ’em. But, I am in the minority with most of my opinions.

    For example…
    I’m the guy who likes the Bengals helmet. I think it’s one of the best designs in the NFL.

    I don’t like the Sharks new unis. Sorry. It’s the colors. I hate the colors. The design is ok.

    I like purple uniforms. The Vikings helmets remind me of a grape lollipop. Yummy.

    And last but not least: I think Tina Fey is the hottest babe on TV. (No, no, Tina. Leave the glasses on.)

  • Andy | September 20, 2007 at 10:22 am |

    thanks for the pics guys. I guess.

  • ESS | September 20, 2007 at 10:22 am |

    [quote comment=”144895″]I pass the Phila. Athletics museum everyday when I go to/from work. I’ve been meaninig to stop inside and snap some pictures but it’s only open until 3:00[/quote]

    You may be in luck, Chris. This Tuesday, 9/25, the president of the A’s Historical Society will be giving a talk at the Upper Moreland Historical Association in Willow Grove, Pa. He should be bringing some memorabilia from the museum. The public is cordially invited. Not sure how much uni talk there’ll be, but I am sure we could arrange something.

  • dgc | September 20, 2007 at 10:23 am |

    [quote comment=”144941″][quote comment=”144934″]I had a thought about the rounded hemlines for the new NHL jerseys: would they look better untucked if the rounded portion were colored to match the breezers so that they blended in?[/quote]
    I got my 2007-08 season NHL catalouge yesterday and the first page had all the new jerseys. Great visual run down, but I immediatly noticed that thy photoshoped the jerseys giving the hemline a straigh appearance, not the true rounded hemline. I found this interesting.[/quote]
    I understand that the replicas have straight hemlines, are you sure that’s not you’re looking at?

  • Team C. | September 20, 2007 at 10:24 am |

    I dig the Phillies Home Alts.

    They’re like the ’48 jerseys. The blue cap will look fine w/the new jersey and pants because (obviously) it’s not going on top of a white and red pinstriped uni.

  • Mike Engle | September 20, 2007 at 10:24 am |

    [quote comment=”144936″]Alternate unis for the Phillies is a welcome sight. And as they are based on the 1948-49 design, which is my fav, makes it all the better.

    They should ditch those pinstripes altogether.[/quote]
    Agreed. I always thought the current Phillies, at home, looked like candy canes.

  • JPRays | September 20, 2007 at 10:25 am |

    [quote comment=”144947″][quote comment=”144942″]Can any one, ANY ONE actually post a link that WORKS for the new Deviled Egg’s Uniforms?[/quote]

    I am putting them on flickr.com now. Give me about 5 minutes and I’ll post a link.[/quote]

    go to

  • Orange and Blue | September 20, 2007 at 10:25 am |

    Hmmm….There must be something wrong with that link about the MLB 2008 changes….I got most of it, but the part about the Mets eliminating the black from their unis is missing….I mean, the Mets ARE eliminating the black from their unis, aren’t they???? Please….

  • dgc | September 20, 2007 at 10:26 am |

    Wow, Paul responds before I could. Anyway, it seems Reebok is really trying to pull one over on fans by calling the replicas “Premier” jerseys.

  • AB | September 20, 2007 at 10:26 am |

    Since when are the Norfolk Tides moving to the Tampa Area…OR…Are the Deviled Eggs becoming the Orioles new farm team

  • John O'Hare | September 20, 2007 at 10:26 am |

    We’ve previously mentioned how MTSU uses huge nameplate lettering for short surnames, but you can’t fully appreciate the absurdity of it until you see this (with thanks to Chad Cate).

    I seem to recall that in the 70’s or 80’s, Pirate catcher Ed Ott had a larger than average name on his jersey. Anybody else remember this as well or have a pic?

  • Tricia | September 20, 2007 at 10:27 am |

    Back to the discussion a few days ago about NHL pants, and whether players would be required to wear Reebok’s pant systems if they were aligned with another manufacturer….

    Here’s a photo of Steve Staios, and you can pretty clearly see the Oilers shell from whatever manufacturer he chose, over what is likely the Reebok system pants / girdle. Most pants you buy off the shelf have the shell integrated into the pants.

    Staios Pic

  • Joe Drennan | September 20, 2007 at 10:29 am |

    While most things about the Rays as they now want to be called is that I really like their current green hat. I don’t know what it is about it, but I’d consider buying one if I thought I’d wear something other than my home Cubs hat during baseball season or my navy bears hat the rest of the year.

    Look at the bright side rays fans. Your team at least will look the roll when they play like a minor league team now.

  • AB | September 20, 2007 at 10:29 am |

    [quote comment=”144952″]Tampa Bay RAYS uni pics on Flickr.com

    Let me know if you have any problems viewing them as I have not used flickr before. Thanks.[/quote]

    Is this page telling us something new? like are these the new designs for some teams? I mean the royals? WTF? And the tribe? A step backwards…at least if that is the new BLOW Jays unis they are an improvement

  • Pat | September 20, 2007 at 10:29 am |

    Paul,

    Any idea if the Phillies alternates are a one-time throwback deal or if they will wear them multiple times?

  • Marc | September 20, 2007 at 10:29 am |

    It never seems to stop amazing me how people on photoshop can create better and more original designs than the leagues that pay people to do that stuff.

    My thoughts on the Rays unis:

    I’m with everyone, I don’t like the starbust. I think it’s annoying and out of place.

    Not a fan of going with “Rays” on the road jersey. I’ve always felt you do nickname at home, city/state on the road.

    Why no alternate? I know alot of people don’t like alternate jerseys…but I do. And for a team like the rays with no history…its not like it would be a step down.

  • Kerry | September 20, 2007 at 10:30 am |

    Thanks for the pics. I too think that the sunburst or sun “rays” are somewhat out of place. The color-scheme is OK. Nothing over the top and they didn’t add any red which seems to be the fad right now. But now you have 3 teams

  • Marc | September 20, 2007 at 10:31 am |

    As a side not to Paul and the UW faithful, I need your help!!!

    I just got my first head baseball coaching job at a school…only to find the colors are gold and PURPLE. I have to design uniforms now…What do I do? I’d love some feedback. Thanks

  • Adam | September 20, 2007 at 10:32 am |

    Thanks a ton to those who posted the new MLB uniforms. Besides the thing about the Indians removing silver, any other changes like that that didn’t have photos?

  • Paul Lukas | September 20, 2007 at 10:32 am |

    [quote comment=”144968″]We’ve previously mentioned how MTSU uses huge nameplate lettering for short surnames, but you can’t fully appreciate the absurdity of it until you see this (with thanks to Chad Cate).

    I seem to recall that in the 70’s or 80’s, Pirate catcher Ed Ott had a larger than average name on his jersey. Anybody else remember this as well or have a pic?[/quote]

    The Pirates did indeed use a special large/wide custom font for short names during the late ’70s and early ’80s. I’d forgotten that Ed Ott was one of the affected players. The one I always think of is Lee Lacy.

  • Mark in Shiga | September 20, 2007 at 10:32 am |

    Those ’48 Phillies jerseys would look even better if they ditched the player names on the back.

    Better yet, bring back those massive numbers that they used in the 1950s!

    And am I the only one who thinks of Helvetica as the “Phillies number font” before thinking of it as a typeface? When my family first got a computer — a Mac Classic back in 1990 — that’s how I remembered Helvetica.

    (I’m more of a Futura or Eurostile guy myself though. Futura was used in the Baseball Encyclopedia, and Eurostile, except for the distinctive hooked 1, looks like the Cubs’ number font.)

  • Cork Gaines | September 20, 2007 at 10:32 am |

    [quote comment=”144973″][quote comment=”144952″]Tampa Bay RAYS uni pics on Flickr.com

    Let me know if you have any problems viewing them as I have not used flickr before. Thanks.[/quote]

    Is this page telling us something new? like are these the new designs for some teams? I mean the royals? WTF? And the tribe? A step backwards…at least if that is the new BLOW Jays unis they are an improvement[/quote]

    The others are all alternate unis for 2008

  • Bluesfan | September 20, 2007 at 10:33 am |

    I just got my first head baseball coaching job at a school…only to find the colors are gold and PURPLE. I have to design uniforms now…What do I do? I’d love some feedback. Thanks

    Whatever you do, don’t take recommendations from the Rays!

  • Paul Lukas | September 20, 2007 at 10:34 am |

    [quote comment=”144974″]Paul,

    Any idea if the Phillies alternates are a one-time throwback deal or if they will wear them multiple times?[/quote]

    I think it’s meant to be worn multiple times. But as we recently learned with the White Sox, it won’t necessarily happen that way.

  • Kerry | September 20, 2007 at 10:34 am |

    [quote comment=”144976″]Thanks for the pics. I too think that the sunburst or sun “rays” are somewhat out of place. The color-scheme is OK. Nothing over the top and they didn’t add any red which seems to be the fad right now. But now you have 3 teams[/quote]
    Sorry, don’t know why I posted that without finishing the thought…

    Now you have 3 teams in the AL East with the dark blue, kinda of bland color-scheme: Yankees, Blue Jays, Rays.

    But, on a stand-alone basis, they’re not too bad. I think it will be much easier to judge AFTER seeing real jerseys and hats.

  • Shaftman | September 20, 2007 at 10:34 am |

    [quote comment=”144965″]Hmmm….There must be something wrong with that link about the MLB 2008 changes….I got most of it, but the part about the Mets eliminating the black from their unis is missing….I mean, the Mets ARE eliminating the black from their unis, aren’t they???? Please….[/quote]

    At this point as long as they eliminate Guillermo Mota’s and Scott Schoeneweis’s uni’s I’ll be fine.

    Also, updated flickr page with Rays new unis and all of the alts we have been talking about (Royals, Phillies, Blue Jays, Indians, and Shea Stadium Patch)

  • Commisso | September 20, 2007 at 10:37 am |

    The (Devil) Rays should’ve used more yellow. I almost wished they kept the Devil in the name. RAYS just looks weird on its own. Finally! the Blue Jays are looking blue again. They will see the reaction to the new (old) blue, and will realize what a mistake they made by introducing black to their color scheme.

  • Joe Drennan | September 20, 2007 at 10:37 am |

    [quote comment=”144975″]It never seems to stop amazing me how people on photoshop can create better and more original designs than the leagues that pay people to do that stuff.

    My thoughts on the Rays unis:

    I’m with everyone, I don’t like the starbust. I think it’s annoying and out of place.

    Not a fan of going with “Rays” on the road jersey. I’ve always felt you do nickname at home, city/state on the road.

    Why no alternate? I know alot of people don’t like alternate jerseys…but I do. And for a team like the rays with no history…its not like it would be a step down.[/quote]
    People with photoshp can create something better than what MLB produces becasue that one person doesn’t have to please 35 other people. Often times when it comes to sports and corperate logoes there are too many hands in the cookie jar when creating logos, not to mention the desire not to offend anybody in any way.

  • Adam | September 20, 2007 at 10:38 am |

    [quote comment=”144983″][quote comment=”144974″]Paul,

    Any idea if the Phillies alternates are a one-time throwback deal or if they will wear them multiple times?[/quote]

    I think it’s meant to be worn multiple times. But as we recently learned with the White Sox, it won’t necessarily happen that way.[/quote]

    Those Phillies uniforms are much better than the (really boring) 1906 White Sox alts were, though, so I hope they don’t have the same fate.

  • Mark in Shiga | September 20, 2007 at 10:40 am |

    Paul, the majority of Japanese teams use a special wide font for surnames of four letters or fewer, plus a thin one for longer names.

    And what’s more, they even use a different number font for single-digit and double-digit jersey numbers.

    In fact, sharp-eyed fans will notice that they now have special extra-thin number fonts for those elusive three-digit guys!

  • GregW | September 20, 2007 at 10:40 am |

    Here’s what I don’t get.
    Everyone loves the Yankees, Dodgers, Tigers, Red Sox, Giants unis. All of these unis are extremely plain but we call them classic. The Rays put out something with no stupid embellishments and they get bashed. I think they should have stuck with the dark green but isn’t what they did better than a baseball equivalent of the Islanders Jersey?

  • Brian from Short Island | September 20, 2007 at 10:40 am |

    Loving the Shea Stadium patch.

  • todd krevanchi | September 20, 2007 at 10:40 am |

    a. how many other people copy and pasted all that change text from that message board and saved all those pics of the changes to the hard drive?

    b. 2s are the only digit where a bar — not a serif, but a bar — can shift dramatically, 45 and 90 degree angles. (7s can a bit — sometimes they’re rendered with a curve even when the number set is all straight lines.) I think that a 2’s middle bar is altered from jersey front/back to sleeve because a diagonal bar looks skinnier than a horizontal bar. Also, compressed number sets support a diagonal 2 better than a horizontal-bar 2, which tends to look squeezed when compressed. Me, I like compressed sets, but for the smaller TV numbers — either shoulder yoke or sleeve placement — it’s not as readable.
    i would debate that the numeral 3 is to be included in this as well.
    rockets
    http://graphics.json...
    tarheels
    http://delivery.view...
    tennessee
    http://delivery.view...

    c. By the way, the very best example, of different number sets front and back is the late ’60s UCLA basketball jersey — the Lew Alcindor era. Front was a squat, boxy style, and the back was an elegant, narrow vertical style. Maybe they adopted this to make Alcindor look taller — I wouldn’t be surprised at all. Pretty sure that before Alcindor, the front style was also the back style.
    im curious as to when those pictures are from… remember, there was no freshman eligibility during lew’s time there and he looks awfully young in those pics. i wonder if any of those pics are of him were just stock photos in a freshman team uni.

  • Mark in Shiga | September 20, 2007 at 10:42 am |

    Here’s the slightly thin two-digit number font and the super-thin three-digit number font side-by-side for the Yomiuri Giants. #109 Suzuki is a ‘developmental player’.

  • mark | September 20, 2007 at 10:42 am |

    Love that A’s historic site. Man they had a good look. I hope they sport those jerseys when they visit philly for interleague play, esp the elephant.

  • Philly Bill | September 20, 2007 at 10:43 am |

    I was horrified to see the Phils would be trotting out an alt next season, but I was thrilled that — as mention by others — it’s basically an update of the 1948 uni. I actually have a ’48 Rich Ashburn throwback (his rookie year). It has an enormous, serif-less ‘1’ on the back. No name, of course.

    Big thumbs-up on the BLUE Jays’ powder blue throwbacks.

  • AB | September 20, 2007 at 10:45 am |

    [quote comment=”144981″][quote comment=”144973″][quote comment=”144952″]Tampa Bay RAYS uni pics on Flickr.com

    Let me know if you have any problems viewing them as I have not used flickr before. Thanks.[/quote]

    Is this page telling us something new? like are these the new designs for some teams? I mean the royals? WTF? And the tribe? A step backwards…at least if that is the new BLOW Jays unis they are an improvement[/quote]

    The others are all alternate unis for 2008[/quote]

    Let me get this straight, MLB has approved these stupid designs? I wonder who came up with the Royals new alts? Stevie Wonder?

  • Shaftman | September 20, 2007 at 10:46 am |

    [quote comment=”144996″][quote comment=”144981″][quote comment=”144973″][quote comment=”144952″]Tampa Bay RAYS uni pics on Flickr.com

    Let me know if you have any problems viewing them as I have not used flickr before. Thanks.[/quote]

    Is this page telling us something new? like are these the new designs for some teams? I mean the royals? WTF? And the tribe? A step backwards…at least if that is the new BLOW Jays unis they are an improvement[/quote]

    The others are all alternate unis for 2008[/quote]

    Let me get this straight, MLB has approved these stupid designs? I wonder who came up with the Royals new alts? Stevie Wonder?[/quote]

    Nope, he would have done better.

  • scott d | September 20, 2007 at 10:49 am |

    a shame to see the current D-Rays’ unis go away… but the new Indians’ uni is QUALITY.

  • Roger Faso | September 20, 2007 at 10:49 am |

    Tampa Bay’s new uniforms look like Kansas City Royals uniforms.

    Remember 7 years ago when Bud Selig wanted to contract a couple of teams? Maybe this is MLB’s way of subliminally consolidating the crappy teams. From now on, when you are flipping the channels or checking out the TVs in a sports bar, you’ll associate the Royals/Rays uniforms with crap.

    For example:

    Buddy 1: “Hey. Who are the Orioles playing?”

    Girlfriend 1: “I dunno. I think it’s the Royals.”

    Buddy 2: “Who gives a shit? They’re crap. The Change it to the Yanks Red Sox game.”

    Then. 4 years later. The Royals and Rays will merge and relocate and no one will notice, because they thought they were the same team all along.

    BTW> “Rays” has got to be the most anonymous monicker in all of US organized sports. The Tampa Bay Dougs would be more charming.

    (I like when teams name themselves after local industry or culture, like the Steelers or the Packers or the Mariners. The “Rays” should change their names to the Tampa Bay Elderly.)

  • Lou | September 20, 2007 at 10:51 am |

    Can you add the Yankees patches?

  • Adam | September 20, 2007 at 10:51 am |

    [quote comment=”144992″]a. how many other people copy and pasted all that change text from that message board and saved all those pics of the changes to the hard drive?
    [/quote]

    If you copied all the text, post it, post it!

  • Teebz | September 20, 2007 at 10:54 am |

    The other day, I had indicated to Paul that I had written to Reebok asking for clarification on some issues concerning the Rbk Edge Uniform System. A gentleman by the name of Chris Bender from Reebok-CCM got back to me with some answers, er, rhetoric.

    Here we go. My questions are in italics. The answers, from Mr. Bender, are in bold.

    1) When the Detroit Red Wings unveiled their new jerseys, we were told that the placement of the captaincy’s letter was moved due to the location of a seam. In fact, the quote that was reported in a Detroit newspaper reads as follows: “[t]he letters had to be moved because the new jerseys are constructed of multiple panels, more so than the old models, and there wasn’t room for them above the tip of the Winged Wheel on the left side without hitting a seam”. Yet, the Edmonton Oilers and Philadelphia Flyers have their letters over a seam. Can someone explain why Detroit had to move their letters off a seam while other teams do not?

    2) What is the purpose of the rounded edges of the jersey? Aesthetically, they look terrible, and they serve no purpose in terms of functionality. Why can’t the jerseys have straight hemlines?

    3) What was the reason in the decisioning to go away from the traditional hockey look with hem stripes and shoulder yokes? Teams have shown individuality in their designs, making the reason of having a template invalid. Is there any reason for the loss of a traditional-looking uniform?

    Thank you for your interest in our new jerseys.

    As for any of the below changes which you mentioned, these would have to be brought up with each individual team as they are the ones who come up with their unique jersey design. As you mentioned, some of the teams, like the Habs and Leafs, stayed traditional, while other teams, like Florida, San Jose and Nashville have decide to make more substantial changes to their look.
    As for the rounded edges on the jerseys, these are made to “street fit” and not to wear over equipment therefor the rounded (curved) edges give them a nice look.

  • Angel | September 20, 2007 at 10:55 am |

    Something about the T in the Tampa Bay Rays of Light(my reasoning for the burst of light in the logo)logo makes me think of the Texas Rangers.

  • Shaftman | September 20, 2007 at 10:55 am |

    [quote comment=”145002″][quote comment=”144992″]a. how many other people copy and pasted all that change text from that message board and saved all those pics of the changes to the hard drive?
    [/quote]

    If you copied all the text, post it, post it![/quote]

    Here ya go…

    It’s that time again, usually the new looks for teams aren’t available until well into the offseason, or at least until the end of the post season, but the one big change is out, so here ya go. This is probably of most interest to both Tampa Bay fans, but there’s a few teams with new alternate jerseys too. Not a whole lot going on this year. Here’s the complete list (no team = no change):

    Arizona
    -Modification to alternate jersey lettering
    -Modification to batting practice jersey lettering
    -Modification to uniform sleeve patch
    -Addition of commemorative sleeve patch

    Atlanta
    -Modification to BP cap

    Chicago White Sox
    -Elimination of alternate sleeveless home uniform

    Cincinnati
    -Modification to batting practice headwear mark (the two-color MLB logo on the back of official caps)

    Cleveland
    -Elimination of current alternate home uniform
    -Addition of alternate home uniform and cap
    -Removal of metallic silver in all Club logo, uniform lettering and marks

    Florida
    -Removal of commemorative patch

    Kansas City
    -Addition of alternate jersey (old school sky blues!)
    -Modification to batting practice cap trim
    -Modification to coloration of uniform sleeve patch

    Los Angeles Dodgers
    -Addition of commemorative sleeve patch

    Milwaukee
    -Removal of commemorative sleeve patch

    Minnesota
    -Modification to batting practice cap trim
    -Removal of commemorative sleeve patch

    New York Mets
    -Addition of commemorative sleeve patch

    New York Yankees
    -Addition of commemorative left sleeve patch
    -Addition of All-Star Game right sleeve patch at commencement of All-Star balloting through All-Star Game

    Oakland
    -Modification to alternate home jersey lettering
    -Modification to alternate cap headwear mark

    Philadelphia
    -Elimination of alternate cap
    -Addition of alternate uniform and cap

    San Diego
    -Modification to batting practice jersey lettering
    -Modification to batting practice cap

    San Francisco
    -Removal of All-Star Game patch
    -Addition of commemorative patch

    Seattle
    -Removal of commemorative patch
    -Modification to batting practice cap

    St. Louis
    -Removal of World Series Champion sleeve patch

    Tampa Bay Rays
    -Complete identity change including Club name and Club colors

    Toronto
    -Change to road jersey lettering
    -Addition of sleeve patch to road jersey
    -Change to batting practice jersey lettering
    -Addition of alternate uniform (all-sky blue pullover jersey from the 80s)

    Washington
    -Addition of commemorative sleeve patch

  • Walaitis | September 20, 2007 at 10:56 am |

    [quote comment=”144982″]I just got my first head baseball coaching job at a school…only to find the colors are gold and PURPLE. I have to design uniforms now…What do I do? I’d love some feedback. Thanks

    Whatever you do, don’t take recommendations from the Rays![/quote]

    You have an option here … Gold as the predominant color … purple (a dark shade, one that from a distance might almost look black!) could be used for outlining the letters/numbers/logos, so gold figures don’t get lost against a white or grey background. It really doesn’t have to look so bad. If you’re going pinstripes, better go purple (btw, are the pinstripes in Colorado black or purple? In small quantities, it’s hard to tell!). Hope this helps.

  • AB | September 20, 2007 at 10:57 am |

    Where do you people find info like you have posted about uniforms. I KNOW ESPN and the MLB pages NEVER NEVER NEVER have this kinda info. Other than the UW page there AINT no info out there

  • chris | September 20, 2007 at 10:58 am |

    [quote comment=”144959″][quote comment=”144895″]I pass the Phila. Athletics museum everyday when I go to/from work. I’ve been meaninig to stop inside and snap some pictures but it’s only open until 3:00[/quote]

    You may be in luck, Chris. This Tuesday, 9/25, the president of the A’s Historical Society will be giving a talk at the Upper Moreland Historical Association in Willow Grove, Pa. He should be bringing some memorabilia from the museum. The public is cordially invited. Not sure how much uni talk there’ll be, but I am sure we could arrange something.[/quote]
    cool, thanks for the tip. I hope I’m free that night.

  • Brendan | September 20, 2007 at 10:58 am |

    Not athletic uniform related, but still a uniform:

    British Army uniform history stamp set by Royal Mail.

  • scott | September 20, 2007 at 10:59 am |

    Thankfully the Phils know how to do an alternate uniform right, and not just go with a burgundy or red top.

    Can the Jays really wear a powder blue uniform at home? That WAS a road uniform in the past. I thought MLB wouldn’t allow a road uniform to be worn at home?

  • Shaftman | September 20, 2007 at 11:00 am |

    [quote comment=”145009″]Where do you people find info like you have posted about uniforms. I KNOW ESPN and the MLB pages NEVER NEVER NEVER have this kinda info. Other than the UW page there AINT no info out there[/quote]

    We are getting it from a link that Paul posted at the top of page in his daily report. Many people have been having trouble viewing the page and I reposted the pics here.

  • Bob Sherron | September 20, 2007 at 11:02 am |

    Regarding pitchers wearing 0, Omar Olivares wore 00 for a while with the Cardinals and evidently the Phillies back in the mid to late 90’s. No photographic evidence yet, but there’s a roster at Baseball Almanac.

  • Nate | September 20, 2007 at 11:02 am |

    I just got my first head baseball coaching job at a school…only to find the colors are gold and PURPLE. I have to design uniforms now…What do I do? I’d love some feedback. Thanks
    Home:White with script team name in gold, with purple trim, and purple numbers.
    Road:grey with script school name in purple, with purple trim, and purple numbers.
    Alt:purple with script team name in gold, no trim, and gold numbers.
    Cap:purple with team logo, and gold brim.
    Socks: Purple stirrups with gold stripes.
    hope that works!

  • Nate | September 20, 2007 at 11:04 am |

    oh, and outline the gold lettering in purple

  • Stephen | September 20, 2007 at 11:05 am |

    [quote comment=”144917″]A far, far, far better “Tampa Bay Rays” set was done by a guy on the Chris Creamer boards:

    http://boards.sports...

    In particular, his interlocking “TB” cap logo is a thing of beauty.[/quote]

    I gotta say that I agree that this treatment looks really nice…but it really reminds me of a minor league team (more than the actual proposed design, even). Reminds me of this. But I still think it is better than what we’re actually going to get.

  • Paul Lukas | September 20, 2007 at 11:07 am |

    [quote comment=”145015″]Regarding pitchers wearing 0, Omar Olivares wore 00 for a while with the Cardinals and evidently the Phillies back in the mid to late 90’s. No photographic evidence yet, but there’s a roster at Baseball Almanac.[/quote]

    Several pitchers have worn double-zero, including Rick White and Curtis Leskanic. But I can’t think of any who’ve worn single-zero.

  • Cork Gaines | September 20, 2007 at 11:08 am |

    [quote comment=”144990″]Here’s what I don’t get.
    Everyone loves the Yankees, Dodgers, Tigers, Red Sox, Giants unis. All of these unis are extremely plain but we call them classic. The Rays put out something with no stupid embellishments and they get bashed. I think they should have stuck with the dark green but isn’t what they did better than a baseball equivalent of the Islanders Jersey?[/quote]

    THANK YOU!

    Classic unis are boring. that is why they are classic. Creative unis are nice, but they get old much faster. I am a Devil Rays fan *pause for laughter*…1 of 641. I like the current unis except for the green jerseys which look like t-shirts or BP jerseys. But overall I like the new duds.

    1. I love the new font. Was never crazy about the old font.
    2. Wish the road unis said Tampa Bay
    3. Not crazy about the grey on grey road unis. Maybe Grey jersey on white pants? Not sure. But the all grey with the blue is a bit much.
    4. I am glad that they kept the swiming Ray logo for consistency, but i could have done without the new splash of yellow on the fish. On the rest of the logos it is fine.
    5. The starburst doesnt bother me. Could have been worse and I could see an alternate cap in the future.
    6. The unis on the Creamer boards are AWFUL. this is a baseball uniform not an art class.
    7. And can somebody get me some god damned stirrups!

  • Angel | September 20, 2007 at 11:08 am |

    I also think that those Tampa Bay “Alternates” are really just going to be the BP jerseys. I know the D-Backs introduced alternates to go with their new unis, but usually teams just go with a home and road uni when they introduce a new design. Alternates usually come later on down the line. And the only reason that Arizona had alternates from the beginning is because they have both Red and Black in their color scheme the two so called “IT” colors right now. That and they didn’t want to lose out to the Mets in the too many uniforms to count department…

  • Alan | September 20, 2007 at 11:09 am |

    It’s been bugging me all morning, but I finally realized what the Rays new logo/font reminds me of: this

    There’s one of these dreadful ‘steakhouses’ in my town and most Midwest towns, I believe.

  • Johnny O | September 20, 2007 at 11:11 am |

    [quote comment=”145008″][quote comment=”144982″]I just got my first head baseball coaching job at a school…only to find the colors are gold and PURPLE. I have to design uniforms now…What do I do? I’d love some feedback. Thanks

    Whatever you do, don’t take recommendations from the Rays![/quote]

    You have an option here … Gold as the predominant color … purple (a dark shade, one that from a distance might almost look black!) could be used for outlining the letters/numbers/logos, so gold figures don’t get lost against a white or grey background. It really doesn’t have to look so bad. If you’re going pinstripes, better go purple (btw, are the pinstripes in Colorado black or purple? In small quantities, it’s hard to tell!). Hope this helps.[/quote]
    My hometown of Stevens Point, Wisconsin has a university (University of Wisconsin Stevens Point) and their colors are Purple and Gold. Their nickname is the Pointers and their mascot is a dog (pointer dog) I don’t really like the purple in the uniforms (or maybe it is my deep hatred for the Vikings, who knows) Anyway, my point is that UWSP does a pretty good job of combining purple and gold and not letting it get out of hand. Here is a link to their athletics page, and you can browse and see if you like anything.

    University of Wisconsin Stevens Point Pointers

  • adr | September 20, 2007 at 11:12 am |

    [quote comment=”144977″]As a side not to Paul and the UW faithful, I need your help!!!

    I just got my first head baseball coaching job at a school…only to find the colors are gold and PURPLE. I have to design uniforms now…What do I do? I’d love some feedback. Thanks[/quote]

    First thing I would do is find out if people are attached to the purple and gold scheme. You never know. People might identify the team closely with those colours.

  • Neil | September 20, 2007 at 11:13 am |

    The Rays logo looks like the callsign lettering for a local TV morning show.

    “RAYS TV…start the day off right!”

    Toronto going back to the powder blue jerseys gets a golf clap from me, though. Great news.

  • Nate | September 20, 2007 at 11:13 am |

    You have an option here … Gold as the predominant color … purple (a dark shade, one that from a distance might almost look black!) could be used for outlining the letters/numbers/logos, so gold figures don’t get lost against a white or grey background. It really doesn’t have to look so bad. If you’re going pinstripes, better go purple (btw, are the pinstripes in Colorado black or purple? In small quantities, it’s hard to tell!). Hope this helps.
    That makes sense…..i would change my idea to purple pinstripes instead of purple trim on the home jersey…and is it Vegas gold or Oakland A’s gold? if its A’s gold, reverse the alternate and the cap i suggested.

  • Eriq Jaffe | September 20, 2007 at 11:14 am |

    [quote comment=”144983″]I think it’s meant to be worn multiple times. But as we recently learned with the White Sox, it won’t necessarily happen that way.[/quote]

    The Sox did wear those 1906 throwbacks twice last year.

  • Tricia | September 20, 2007 at 11:15 am |

    [quote comment=”145005″]As for the rounded edges on the jerseys, these are made to “street fit” and not to wear over equipment therefor the rounded (curved) edges give them a nice look.[/quote]

    Yeah, I’m not sure that guy really understood the question. Since, apparently the replicas have straight hems, and the ‘street fit’ authentics pretty much have to be worn over equipment.

    As for the placement of the ‘C’ and ‘A’ – I guess it probably was left up to the teams. Although, the tip of the Wings logo extends a bit further than the rounded Oilers logo, so that might have been one of the reasons.

  • Nate | September 20, 2007 at 11:15 am |

    only problem I have with the Jays sky blue uni is that its a pullover. other than that, its great

  • Matt | September 20, 2007 at 11:19 am |

    Hmmmm….

    Anyone else notice how the “RAYS” lettering on the front of the uniform lines up with the opening?
    I think we are going to see an Arizona-esque splitting of the “A”

  • Paul Lukas | September 20, 2007 at 11:20 am |

    [quote comment=”145029″][quote comment=”144983″]I think it’s meant to be worn multiple times. But as we recently learned with the White Sox, it won’t necessarily happen that way.[/quote]

    The Sox did wear those 1906 throwbacks twice last year.[/quote]

    Yeah, but it was supposed to be their Sunday uniform. Didn’t work out that way.

  • Shaftman | September 20, 2007 at 11:21 am |

    [quote comment=”145031″]only problem I have with the Jays sky blue uni is that its a pullover. other than that, its great[/quote]

    Wow, good eyes. I completely missed that.

  • Teebz | September 20, 2007 at 11:24 am |

    [quote comment=”145030″][quote comment=”145005″]As for the rounded edges on the jerseys, these are made to “street fit” and not to wear over equipment therefor the rounded (curved) edges give them a nice look.[/quote]

    Yeah, I’m not sure that guy really understood the question. Since, apparently the replicas have straight hems, and the ‘street fit’ authentics pretty much have to be worn over equipment.

    As for the placement of the ‘C’ and ‘A’ – I guess it probably was left up to the teams. Although, the tip of the Wings logo extends a bit further than the rounded Oilers logo, so that might have been one of the reasons.[/quote]

    Yeah, I think he was a little confused, Tricia.

    The problem with the “C” and “A” is the direct quote from the Detroit newspaper. “The letters had to be moved because the new jerseys are constructed of multiple panels, more so than the old models, and there wasn’t room for them above the tip of the Winged Wheel on the left side without hitting a seam”.

    It’s seemingly the seam that is the problem with Detroit’s jersey, not the tip of the Winged Wheel.

  • Mark in Shiga | September 20, 2007 at 11:24 am |

    Paul, pitcher Tadahiro Ogino of the Chiba Lotte Marines wears single zero also.

    Here’s a gallery of his; there are some good shots of the zero in action.

    http://www.marines.c...

  • Broker75 | September 20, 2007 at 11:24 am |

    The Washington Wizards used to be the Washington Bullets. “Wizards” is ok, but “Bullets” had the NBA written all over it, (sounded like a pro team) Wizards sounds like a team from the television show Saved by the Bell. And now the Devil Rays are just Rays? So that makes the NBA and MLB making changes to their team names. Any other teams leagues changing names that didn’t leave the city that they were playing for? I’d love to read about it. I can’t think of any in the NHL or NFL.

  • ESS | September 20, 2007 at 11:26 am |

    [quote comment=”145010″][quote comment=”144959″][quote comment=”144895″]I pass the Phila. Athletics museum everyday when I go to/from work. I’ve been meaninig to stop inside and snap some pictures but it’s only open until 3:00[/quote]

    You may be in luck, Chris. This Tuesday, 9/25, the president of the A’s Historical Society will be giving a talk at the Upper Moreland Historical Association in Willow Grove, Pa. He should be bringing some memorabilia from the museum. The public is cordially invited. Not sure how much uni talk there’ll be, but I am sure we could arrange something.[/quote]
    cool, thanks for the tip. I hope I’m free that night.[/quote]

    Let me know if you need info. bookingumha@gmail.com.

  • sj32 | September 20, 2007 at 11:27 am |

    [quote comment=”144880″]2 easy questions:

    1) What is tackle twill?

    2) What is chain stitching?[/quote]

    Tackle Twill is the material used for sewn-on numbers and letters on jerseys. It is also used for creating some of the wordmarks on baseball jerseys. Another method used on wordmarks is chain-stitching. Chain-stitching is a detailed embroidery that is used to produce the wordmarks on the St. Louis Cardinals, Philadelhia Phillies and Houston Astros uniforms. The Cardinals and Astros have the wordmarks stitched directly onto their uniforms. This is why those jerseys tend to be more expensive than other MLB jerseys.

  • Michael | September 20, 2007 at 11:33 am |

    The Rays new look is boring. The logos look like they something a hotel or resort would use. Maybe since they see a lot of that in Florida or they’re fan base is older & is used to those types of logos they thought that would look good. My take on that starburst thing is maybe they’re trying to invoke the other meaning of Rays as in ray of sunlight, once again more like a hotel type of thing. When I first heard they might be considering a change I was hoping they’d start over completely with a new name, colors & logo. They could have gone with history & went with the Tarpons. If you want to appeal to the vacationers & retired peeps then why not go with something like Tropics. Rays by it self is boring & sort of open ended why not go with Sting Rays or even there given name of Manta Rays.

    I like the Royals new alternate.

    The Phillies alternate is cool because it’s a tribute to the 48 unis. I wish the Cubs would do something similar this with the sleeveless jersey since they were the first to ware them.

    Norfolk State’s Jerseys are a nice alternate look but the pants need some work.

  • Teebz | September 20, 2007 at 11:34 am |

    [quote comment=”145045″][quote comment=”144880″]2 easy questions:

    1) What is tackle twill?

    2) What is chain stitching?[/quote]

    Tackle Twill is the material used for sewn-on numbers and letters on jerseys. It is also used for creating some of the wordmarks on baseball jerseys. Another method used on wordmarks is chain-stitching. Chain-stitching is a detailed embroidery that is used to produce the wordmarks on the St. Louis Cardinals, Philadelhia Phillies and Houston Astros uniforms. The Cardinals and Astros have the wordmarks stitched directly onto their uniforms. This is why those jerseys tend to be more expensive than other MLB jerseys.[/quote]

    Chain-stitching.

  • Walaitis | September 20, 2007 at 11:34 am |

    [quote comment=”145031″]only problem I have with the Jays sky blue uni is that its a pullover. other than that, its great[/quote]

    While I prefer button ups, I prefer the Blue Jays pullover throwbacks to the Brewers button down throwbacks. It just looks right. I don’t know if I’d call it a complaint, but it looks odd to me to see a pullover with a belt (as opposed to drawstring).

  • Adam | September 20, 2007 at 11:35 am |

    [quote comment=”145007″]
    Chicago White Sox
    -Elimination of alternate sleeveless home uniform
    [/quote]

    Aww, I kinda liked that alt, and it seems odd that they’d get rid of it for no reason. Maybe the vest look is just on the way out? Tampa, Cleveland and the White Sox are all dropping them.

  • John E | September 20, 2007 at 11:37 am |

    The A’s green alts are gone next year in favor of a revamp of the black they had a few years back.

    I like the old black better but would have much preferred a return of the ’82 white alts that are the best unis they’ve worn since the move to Oakland.

  • Rydell M. | September 20, 2007 at 11:43 am |

    [quote comment=”145043″]The Washington Wizards used to be the Washington Bullets. “Wizards” is ok, but “Bullets” had the NBA written all over it, (sounded like a pro team) Wizards sounds like a team from the television show Saved by the Bell. And now the Devil Rays are just Rays? So that makes the NBA and MLB making changes to their team names. Any other teams leagues changing names that didn’t leave the city that they were playing for? I’d love to read about it. I can’t think of any in the NHL or NFL.[/quote]
    ..didn’t the Philadelphia Athletics switch to the Phillies?

  • Nate | September 20, 2007 at 11:44 am |

    As for the rays, I would go with the nickname Manta Rays, with navy and powder blue as the colors. go with a white vest with navy trim and lettering and a navy blue undershirt with “Manta Rays” on the vest; and have a gray vest with “Tampa Bay” for the road, and a navy blue alternate with powder blue trim and lettering. The cap is nice, though.

  • Adam | September 20, 2007 at 11:46 am |

    [quote comment=”145054″][quote comment=”145043″]The Washington Wizards used to be the Washington Bullets. “Wizards” is ok, but “Bullets” had the NBA written all over it, (sounded like a pro team) Wizards sounds like a team from the television show Saved by the Bell. And now the Devil Rays are just Rays? So that makes the NBA and MLB making changes to their team names. Any other teams leagues changing names that didn’t leave the city that they were playing for? I’d love to read about it. I can’t think of any in the NHL or NFL.[/quote]
    ..didn’t the Philadelphia Athletics switch to the Phillies?[/quote]

    No. Two seperate teams. But the Houston Colt .45s did switch to the Houston Astros. And if you go back to the 20s and before, teams switched names a lot.

  • Nate | September 20, 2007 at 11:47 am |

    While I prefer button ups, I prefer the Blue Jays pullover throwbacks to the Brewers button down throwbacks. It just looks right. I don’t know if I’d call it a complaint, but it looks odd to me to see a pullover with a belt (as opposed to drawstring).
    I see your point, but the reason I don’t like pullovers is that it makes them look like a softball team. Not that I have a problem with softball, but I think baseball unis should be button-down.

  • Seth H | September 20, 2007 at 11:47 am |

    The Washington Wizards used to be the Washington Bullets. “Wizards” is ok, but “Bullets” had the NBA written all over it, (sounded like a pro team) Wizards sounds like a team from the television show Saved by the Bell. And now the Devil Rays are just Rays? So that makes the NBA and MLB making changes to their team names. Any other teams leagues changing names that didn’t leave the city that they were playing for? I’d love to read about it. I can’t think of any in the NHL or NFL.

    NHL: New York Americans became the Brooklyn Americans in 1941 (but kept playing at MSG).

    WHA to NHL: New England Whalers became the Hartford Whalers when they joined the NHL. The Bruins made it a condition of joining.

    WHA: New York Raiders became the New York Golden Blades. (They later moved to NJ and became the New Jersey Knights. Then they moved to San Diego where they became the Mariners.)

  • todd krevanchi | September 20, 2007 at 11:47 am |

    a. my preference for the royals would be if the chest word mark would be in white as well. then outline that and the number in royal.

    b. i just cant get into those jays alternates…
    maybe if it was just a jersey alternate, jay logo over the heart and piping around the sleeves and button/neck line

    c. id wish the phils would simply have used a red shirt, white piping and either phillies across, like current, or the p on the heart.

  • The Ol Goaler | September 20, 2007 at 11:47 am |

    Regarding the NHL’s gawd-awful “Edge” jerseys… I’m hoping against hope that it’ll be a one-year “experiment” a la the NBA’s “composition” basketball.

    If the seams tear during a fight, seems to me they’ll tear if a player is hooked, held, or even checked tightly! And if your sweater is “riding up” when you stride, doesn’t that maybe mean that sweater’s too tight!?

    As a goalie, I hated tight sweaters… they were a bear to put on (and even worse to take off) over the chest/arm protectors.

    Lighter, more water-resistant hockey sweaters? Fine… but don’t make ’em so tight you can’t move!

  • Joe Drennan | September 20, 2007 at 11:55 am |

    [quote comment=”145056″][quote comment=”145054″][quote comment=”145043″]The Washington Wizards used to be the Washington Bullets. “Wizards” is ok, but “Bullets” had the NBA written all over it, (sounded like a pro team) Wizards sounds like a team from the television show Saved by the Bell. And now the Devil Rays are just Rays? So that makes the NBA and MLB making changes to their team names. Any other teams leagues changing names that didn’t leave the city that they were playing for? I’d love to read about it. I can’t think of any in the NHL or NFL.[/quote]
    ..didn’t the Philadelphia Athletics switch to the Phillies?[/quote]

    No. Two seperate teams. But the Houston Colt .45s did switch to the Houston Astros. And if you go back to the 20s and before, teams switched names a lot.[/quote]
    That’s right. The Red Sox were once even known as the Yankees. Go figure.

  • Nate | September 20, 2007 at 11:56 am |

    my preference for the royals would be if the chest word mark would be in white as well. then outline that and the number in royal.

    That would look SO much better.

  • thrashboy | September 20, 2007 at 11:56 am |

    Any other teams leagues changing names that didn’t leave the city that they were playing for?

    Not necessarily a name change, but:

    Mighty Ducks of Anaheim – Anaheim Ducks

    California Angels – Anaheim Angles – Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim

  • Nate | September 20, 2007 at 11:57 am |

    And sorry, I thought the Jays’ throwbacks were alternates. I don’t have a problem with pullover throwbacks. My bad.

  • Joe Drennan | September 20, 2007 at 11:58 am |

    [quote comment=”145060″]Regarding the NHL’s gawd-awful “Edge” jerseys… I’m hoping against hope that it’ll be a one-year “experiment” a la the NBA’s “composition” basketball.

    If the seams tear during a fight, seems to me they’ll tear if a player is hooked, held, or even checked tightly! And if your sweater is “riding up” when you stride, doesn’t that maybe mean that sweater’s too tight!?

    As a goalie, I hated tight sweaters… they were a bear to put on (and even worse to take off) over the chest/arm protectors.

    Lighter, more water-resistant hockey sweaters? Fine… but don’t make ’em so tight you can’t move![/quote]
    I hear ya. When in college they switched my number one me without asking (Bastards) from 39 to 33. I specificaly chose 39 becasue it was the biggest jersey we had and I could move freely in it. I think the 33 was the smallest and I looked like I was in a scuba suit.

  • Commisso | September 20, 2007 at 11:58 am |

    [quote comment=”145043″]The Washington Wizards used to be the Washington Bullets. “Wizards” is ok, but “Bullets” had the NBA written all over it, (sounded like a pro team) Wizards sounds like a team from the television show Saved by the Bell. And now the Devil Rays are just Rays? So that makes the NBA and MLB making changes to their team names. Any other teams leagues changing names that didn’t leave the city that they were playing for? I’d love to read about it. I can’t think of any in the NHL or NFL.[/quote]
    Do Washington Bullets fans actually say “let’s go Wizards”? I know I couldn’t. If my team were to change their nickname I would probably find another team to cheer for. I don’t follow the NBA but didn’t the Bullets have some deep history behind them? Devil Rays to Rays is almost the same, you can still say “let’s go Rays” and people would know who and what you are talking about. But their fan base is only in the 100’s so whatever.

  • Roger Faso | September 20, 2007 at 11:59 am |

    [quote comment=”145053″]The A’s green alts are gone next year in favor of a revamp of the black they had a few years back.

    I like the old black better but would have much preferred a return of the ’82 white alts that are the best unis they’ve worn since the move to Oakland.[/quote]

    Those white alts were cool, but they played like crap that year.

    BTW> The new ownership of the A’s were trying to eschew the Finley era image, by going with a more traditional look that year. So, they emulated what was then considered a traditional looking team … the Tigers. Their unis that year looked like the Tigers, even the road unis.

    Check out the black shoes.

    In ’87 they copied the Dodger look that they still use to this day.

    I wish they would change again. To this

    or something like it.

  • Tuffy | September 20, 2007 at 12:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”145016″]I just got my first head baseball coaching job at a school…only to find the colors are gold and PURPLE. I have to design uniforms now…What do I do? I’d love some feedback. Thanks[/quote]

    Marc-
    Congratulations on getting the job. Having been a baseball coach and designed two complete uniforms myself, I know how excited you must be.

    Here are my thoughts based on my experience:
    –It’s great that they’re giving you the resources to purchase new unis. You, now, have the responsibility to make them last. That said, go with grey pants; kids don’t always get things washed, and the inevitable stains are less visible on grey. I would highlight the pants with a single purple stripe (known as “soutache”) down the leg.
    –If you go with grey pants, obviously one of your jerseys will be grey. I would suggested going with purple on gold (two color) lettering. One color lettering on grey looks cheap.
    –For the second jersey (assuming you have the funds to do that), and you don’t like purple, I would go with a gold jersey. For lettering, I would suggest going with white on purple (two colors, again); putting a colored number on a colored jersey (in this case, purple on gold) never seems to go well, plus, you get to take out as much purple as possible.
    –For the hat, you are pretty much stuck with purple, because gold, grey, or white hats will get very dirty over the course of the season (there is dirt in baseball, remember). If you really, really wanted to go with a gold cap, however, I would suggest one of the new generation of mesh caps. I like the mesh cap put out by Richardson, and it goes through the wash great. For a more traditional wool or acrylic cap, check out a company called Zephyr — very, very affordable. Stay away from New Era — too expensive for the high school market, in my opinion.

    Good luck!

  • Marty Met | September 20, 2007 at 12:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”145056″][quote comment=”145054″][quote comment=”145043″]The Washington Wizards used to be the Washington Bullets. “Wizards” is ok, but “Bullets” had the NBA written all over it, (sounded like a pro team) Wizards sounds like a team from the television show Saved by the Bell. And now the Devil Rays are just Rays? So that makes the NBA and MLB making changes to their team names. Any other teams leagues changing names that didn’t leave the city that they were playing for? I’d love to read about it. I can’t think of any in the NHL or NFL.[/quote]
    ..didn’t the Philadelphia Athletics switch to the Phillies?[/quote]

    No. Two seperate teams. But the Houston Colt .45s did switch to the Houston Astros. And if you go back to the 20s and before, teams switched names a lot.[/quote]

    The Phillies switched to the Blue Jays and then back to the Phillies

  • Purple Brigade | September 20, 2007 at 12:05 pm |
  • Tao of Stieb | September 20, 2007 at 12:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”145012″]
    Can the Jays really wear a powder blue uniform at home? That WAS a road uniform in the past. I thought MLB wouldn’t allow a road uniform to be worn at home?[/quote]

    That’s what we’re wondering as well…

    Also, the lettering change on the road unis…wonder if this will mean switching the current look of the “T” on the Jersey with the “T” on the alt cap?

    Anyone got pics of this?

  • Tuffy | September 20, 2007 at 12:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”145012″]
    Can the Jays really wear a powder blue uniform at home? That WAS a road uniform in the past. I thought MLB wouldn’t allow a road uniform to be worn at home?[/quote]

    Could it be that the Blue Jays and Indians will be playing a “throw back game” in Cleveland next season? That would explain the Blue Jays alt in visiting blues…

  • Graf Zeppelin | September 20, 2007 at 12:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”145043″]The Washington Wizards used to be the Washington Bullets. “Wizards” is ok, but “Bullets” had the NBA written all over it, (sounded like a pro team) Wizards sounds like a team from the television show Saved by the Bell. And now the Devil Rays are just Rays? So that makes the NBA and MLB making changes to their team names. Any other teams leagues changing names that didn’t leave the city that they were playing for? I’d love to read about it. I can’t think of any in the NHL or NFL.[/quote]

    NY Titans –> Jets

    This one doesn’t really count, but technically…

    Tennessee Oilers –> Titans

    There were also any number of name changes during the NFL’s early years, e.g., the Chicago Bears were the Chicago Staleys at one point (after being called the Decatur Staleys). The Boston (now Washington) Redskins were the Boston Braves (a number of early NFL teams took the names of local baseball clubs, e.g., NY Giants. There were also NY Yankees and Brooklyn Dodgers football teams at various times. No such connection, though, between football’s Chicago Cardinals and baseball’s St. Louis Cardinals).

  • DP30 | September 20, 2007 at 12:11 pm |

    Not a fan of the new Rays’ look; I really liked the unique feel of the green and blue color combo. Plus the typeface and the pointless sunburst in the logo reminds me of something that the Senior Professional Baseball Association (remember that ill-fated scheme, in the late 80’s?) would try to use.

    Also, just to add to the differing number styles on the same uni, the New York Rangers were the first that came to my mind, with the use of their number 2…no serif on the sleeves, bottom serif on the back.

  • Nate | September 20, 2007 at 12:11 pm |

    Can the Jays really wear a powder blue uniform at home? That WAS a road uniform in the past. I thought MLB wouldn’t allow a road uniform to be worn at home?
    I believe its an alternate or throwback now, so I don’t think its officially a road uniform.
    And in 2004 the Yanks and the rays played a 2 game series in japan, and the Yankees wore their pinstripes for both games, though they were the “Visiting” team for one of those games, so I think its ok for teams to wear their road unis at home.

  • Graf Zeppelin | September 20, 2007 at 12:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”145076″][quote comment=”145043″]The Washington Wizards used to be the Washington Bullets. “Wizards” is ok, but “Bullets” had the NBA written all over it, (sounded like a pro team) Wizards sounds like a team from the television show Saved by the Bell. And now the Devil Rays are just Rays? So that makes the NBA and MLB making changes to their team names. Any other teams leagues changing names that didn’t leave the city that they were playing for? I’d love to read about it. I can’t think of any in the NHL or NFL.[/quote]

    NY Titans –> Jets

    This one doesn’t really count, but technically…

    Tennessee Oilers –> Titans

    There were also any number of name changes during the NFL’s early years, e.g., the Chicago Bears were the Chicago Staleys at one point (after being called the Decatur Staleys). The Boston (now Washington) Redskins were the Boston Braves (a number of early NFL teams took the names of local baseball clubs, e.g., NY Giants. There were also NY Yankees and Brooklyn Dodgers football teams at various times. No such connection, though, between football’s Chicago Cardinals and baseball’s St. Louis Cardinals).[/quote]

    In addition:

    Boston Patriots –> New England Patriots
    Phoenix Cardinals –> Arizona Cardinals

  • Pretty Boy Paulie | September 20, 2007 at 12:27 pm |

    R.I.P. OLD D-RAYS UNI’S! They were so underrated. I’m not really felling the new Oakland A’s alternate or the new Indians alternate cap, I actually like the script “I” cap. The Phillies new Alt’s are ok. But on the bright side the Royals get a very fresh new Alternate next year! Blue Jays are wearing their early 80’s throwbacks next year much like the Brewers & Padres did this year.

    I want the Diamondbacks to get rid of their home uni, a white jersey with brick red pin-stripes and “A” logo would be cool. Also get rid of the font type on the names and numerals.

    For those who didn’t see these….
    njoy!

    2008 Oakland Alternate.

    2008 Cleveland Home Alternate.

    2008 Kansas City Home Alternate.

    2008 Philadelphia Home Alternate.

    Toronto Blue Jays Home Alternate (Throwbacks)

    D-Backs logo update.

    Arizona 2008 Commemorative Patch.

    Los Angeles Dodgers 2008 Commemorative Patch.

    New York Mets 2008 Commemorative Patch

    New York Yankees Commemorative & All Star Game Patch.

    San Fransisco Giants 2008 Commemorative Patch

    Washington Nationals 2008 Commemorative Patch.

  • todd krevanchi | September 20, 2007 at 12:33 pm |

    as far as the serif situation goes,
    wouldnt the people at liebe’s embroidering have some input on this? or are they simply following instructions when they get an order.

    i mean, when a client says put a 2 or 7 or 4 that looks like this on the torso, and a 2 or 7 or 4 that looks like this on the shoulders, wouldnt the next step be to confirm that the differences are done on purpose prior to making all those jerseys?

  • Kenny | September 20, 2007 at 12:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”144977″]As a side not to Paul and the UW faithful, I need your help!!!

    I just got my first head baseball coaching job at a school…only to find the colors are gold and PURPLE. I have to design uniforms now…What do I do? I’d love some feedback. Thanks[/quote]

    Isn’t there a website where you can design baseball & football unis? – I believe it was a Nike website

  • Adam | September 20, 2007 at 12:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”145075″]

    Could it be that the Blue Jays and Indians will be playing a “throw back game” in Cleveland next season? That would explain the Blue Jays alt in visiting blues…[/quote]

    It seems rather unlikely that a one-game uniform would be included in a leak like this, especially since Toronto had previously said they’d be wearing retro uniforms on a regular basis.

  • Kevin M | September 20, 2007 at 12:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”145030″][quote comment=”145005″]As for the rounded edges on the jerseys, these are made to “street fit” and not to wear over equipment therefor the rounded (curved) edges give them a nice look.[/quote]

    Yeah, I’m not sure that guy really understood the question. Since, apparently the replicas have straight hems, and the ‘street fit’ authentics pretty much have to be worn over equipment.

    As for the placement of the ‘C’ and ‘A’ – I guess it probably was left up to the teams. Although, the tip of the Wings logo extends a bit further than the rounded Oilers logo, so that might have been one of the reasons.[/quote]

    Are you sure the replicas don’t have a rounded hemline like the “real thing”? I was looking at some Blues’ unis at their team store on Saturday and could have sworn both had the rounded hem.

  • Adam | September 20, 2007 at 12:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”145078″]Can the Jays really wear a powder blue uniform at home? That WAS a road uniform in the past. I thought MLB wouldn’t allow a road uniform to be worn at home?
    I believe its an alternate or throwback now, so I don’t think its officially a road uniform.[/quote]

    The question is, if Toronto does get to wear those at home, why did MLB not let Kansas City wear blue pants at home too? Do any teams in MLB currently have more than two paits of pants?

  • Tricia | September 20, 2007 at 12:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”145090″][quote comment=”145030″][quote comment=”145005″]As for the rounded edges on the jerseys, these are made to “street fit” and not to wear over equipment therefor the rounded (curved) edges give them a nice look.[/quote]

    Yeah, I’m not sure that guy really understood the question. Since, apparently the replicas have straight hems, and the ‘street fit’ authentics pretty much have to be worn over equipment.

    As for the placement of the ‘C’ and ‘A’ – I guess it probably was left up to the teams. Although, the tip of the Wings logo extends a bit further than the rounded Oilers logo, so that might have been one of the reasons.[/quote]

    Are you sure the replicas don’t have a rounded hemline like the “real thing”? I was looking at some Blues’ unis at their team store on Saturday and could have sworn both had the rounded hem.[/quote]

    Not sure at all, I was just going by what Paul had said higher up in the comments.

  • Shaftman | September 20, 2007 at 12:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”145058″]The Washington Wizards used to be the Washington Bullets. “Wizards” is ok, but “Bullets” had the NBA written all over it, (sounded like a pro team) Wizards sounds like a team from the television show Saved by the Bell. And now the Devil Rays are just Rays? So that makes the NBA and MLB making changes to their team names. Any other teams leagues changing names that didn’t leave the city that they were playing for? I’d love to read about it. I can’t think of any in the NHL or NFL.

    NHL: New York Americans became the Brooklyn Americans in 1941 (but kept playing at MSG).

    WHA to NHL: New England Whalers became the Hartford Whalers when they joined the NHL. The Bruins made it a condition of joining.

    WHA: New York Raiders became the New York Golden Blades. (They later moved to NJ and became the New Jersey Knights. Then they moved to San Diego where they became the Mariners.)[/quote]

    Teams that have changed there name but have not moved cities:

    MLB:
    Cleveland:
    Cleveland Indians (1915–present)
    Cleveland Naps (1905-1914)
    Cleveland Bronchos (1902-1904)
    Cleveland Blues (1901)

    Brooklyn:
    Brooklyn Dodgers (1932-1957)
    Brooklyn Robins (1914-1931)
    Brooklyn Dodgers (1911-1912)
    Brooklyn Superbas (1899-1910), (1913)
    Brooklyn Grooms (1891-1895)
    Brooklyn Bridegrooms (1888-1890), (1896-1898)
    Brooklyn Grays (1885-1887)
    Brooklyn Atlantics (1884)

    New York:
    New York Yankees (1904–present)
    New York Highlanders (1903-1912)

    Houston:
    Houston Astros (1965–present)
    Houston Colt .45s (1962-1964)

    Boston:
    Boston Red Sox (1908–present)
    Boston Americans (1901-1907)

    Philadelphia:
    Philadelphia Phillies (1884–present)
    Philadelphia Quakers (1883-1889)

    Chicago:
    Chicago Cubs (1902–present)
    Chicago Orphans (1898-1901)
    Chicago Colts (1890-1897)
    Chicago White Stockings (1870-1871, 1874-1889)

    Cincinnati:
    Cincinnati Reds (1958–present)
    Cincinnati Redlegs (1953-1958)
    Cincinnati Reds (1882-1953)
    Cincinnati Red Stockings (1876-1882)

    Pittsburgh:
    Pittsburgh Pirates (1891–present)
    Pittsburgh Innocents (1890)
    Pittsburg Alleghenies (1882–1889)

    St. Louis:
    St. Louis Cardinals (1900–present)
    St. Louis Perfectos (1899)
    St. Louis Brown Stockings/Browns (1882-1898)

    Los Angeles:
    Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim (2005–present)
    Anaheim Angels (1997-2004)
    California Angels (1965-1996)
    Los Angeles Angels (1961-1965)

    NFL:
    New York:
    New York Titans (1960-1962)
    New York Jets (1963–present)

    Brooklyn (defunct):
    Brooklyn Dodgers (1930-1943)
    Brooklyn Tigers (1944)

    Philadelphia:
    Philadelphia Eagles (1933-1942)
    Philadelphia-Pittsburgh “Steagles” (1943)
    Philadelphia Eagles (1944–present)

    Pittsburgh:
    Pittsburgh Pirates (1933–1939)
    Pittsburgh Steelers (1940–1942)
    Philadelphia-Pittsburgh “Steagles” (1943)
    Card-Pitt (1944)
    Pittsburgh Steelers (1945–present)

    Chicago:
    Chicago Staleys (1921)
    Chicago Bears (1922–present)

    NHL:
    Toronto:
    Toronto Arenas (1918–19)
    Toronto St. Patricks (1919-1927)
    Toronto Maple Leafs (1927–present)

    Chicago:
    Chicago Black Hawks (1926 – 1986)
    Chicago Blackhawks (1986-present)

    Detroit:
    Detroit Cougars (1926-30)
    Detroit Falcons (1930-32)
    Detroit Red Wings (1932-present)

    Anaheim:
    Mighty Ducks of Anaheim (1993 – 2006)
    Anaheim Ducks (2006 – Present)

    NBA:
    Baltimore:
    Capital Bullets (1973-1974)
    Washington Bullets (1974-1997)
    Washington Wizards (1997-present)

    Denver:
    Denver Rockets (1967-1974)
    Denver Nuggets (1974-present)

    NCAA:
    Syracuse: Saltine Warriors/Orangemen/Orange
    St. Johns: Redmen/Red Storm

    I know that this is not a full list, as I ignore many defunct teams (as well as most of the NCAA) but it is a pretty good start and feel free to add to it.

  • Paul Lukas | September 20, 2007 at 12:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”145091″][quote comment=”145078″]Can the Jays really wear a powder blue uniform at home? That WAS a road uniform in the past. I thought MLB wouldn’t allow a road uniform to be worn at home?
    I believe its an alternate or throwback now, so I don’t think its officially a road uniform.[/quote]

    The question is, if Toronto does get to wear those at home, why did MLB not let Kansas City wear blue pants at home too? Do any teams in MLB currently have more than two paits of pants?[/quote]

    Mets: Home whites, home pinstripes, road grays.

  • Robert | September 20, 2007 at 1:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”145069″][quote comment=”145053″]The A’s green alts are gone next year in favor of a revamp of the black they had a few years back.

    I like the old black better but would have much preferred a return of the ’82 white alts that are the best unis they’ve worn since the move to Oakland.[/quote]

    Those white alts were cool, but they played like crap that year.

    BTW> The new ownership of the A’s were trying to eschew the Finley era image, by going with a more traditional look that year. So, they emulated what was then considered a traditional looking team … the Tigers. Their unis that year looked like the Tigers, even the road unis.

    Check out the black shoes.

    [/quote]

    Davey Lopes looks a little goofy in that road uniform, but on most folks it really looked good. There is a photo out there somewhere (I can’t find the damn thing) with Rickey Henderson wearing that uni, and it looks fantastic. It’s one of my favorite all-time baseball photos.

  • JPRays | September 20, 2007 at 1:01 pm |

    Cant believe as attention to detail oriented as all of us are we have completely overlooked the Blue Jays belt in the throwback uni!! It’s made to simulate the look of the pull up pants! How sweet is that? And why haven’t more teams done it? It looks amazing.

  • Perry | September 20, 2007 at 1:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”144957″]I admit the Rays new uniforms aren’t the best, but I kinda like ’em. But, I am in the minority with most of my opinions.

    For example…
    I’m the guy who likes the Bengals helmet. I think it’s one of the best designs in the NFL.

    I like purple uniforms. The Vikings helmets remind me of a grape lollipop. Yummy.
    [/quote]

    I agree, the Bengals helmet is cool. It’s the rest of their uni that’s hideous. And purple is a fine uniform color IMO.

  • Nate | September 20, 2007 at 1:06 pm |

    Cant believe as attention to detail oriented as all of us are we have completely overlooked the Blue Jays belt in the throwback uni!! It’s made to simulate the look of the pull up pants! How sweet is that? And why haven’t more teams done it? It looks amazing.

    Dang…I didn’t notice that. Its looks great.

  • Alex B | September 20, 2007 at 1:08 pm |

    Paul, it appears that the disease is spreading.

    $5 bill to have splashes of purple, gray

  • Nate | September 20, 2007 at 1:09 pm |

    Yesterday I mentioned that the Jets had inconsistent 2s in the late ’60s, but the pseudonymous Graf Zeppelin pointed out in yesterday’s comments that they apparently had a similar problem 20 years later, as seen on the cover of their 1989 yearbook.

    Speaking of yearbooks, the 2000 Texas Rangers yearbook had a nice article about the history of baseball unis.
    Can’t find the yearbook though, must be in the garage.

  • Chance | September 20, 2007 at 1:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”145063″][quote comment=”145056″][quote comment=”145054″][quote comment=”145043″]The Washington Wizards used to be the Washington Bullets. “Wizards” is ok, but “Bullets” had the NBA written all over it, (sounded like a pro team) Wizards sounds like a team from the television show Saved by the Bell. And now the Devil Rays are just Rays? So that makes the NBA and MLB making changes to their team names. Any other teams leagues changing names that didn’t leave the city that they were playing for? I’d love to read about it. I can’t think of any in the NHL or NFL.[/quote]
    ..didn’t the Philadelphia Athletics switch to the Phillies?[/quote]

    No. Two seperate teams. But the Houston Colt .45s did switch to the Houston Astros. And if you go back to the 20s and before, teams switched names a lot.[/quote]
    That’s right. The Red Sox were once even known as the Yankees. Go figure.[/quote]
    I’m sorry, I can’t let that pass without comment.

    Are you sure you aren’t confusing them with the Boston Yanks NFL team?

    Or the story that circulated a couple years ago about the Yankees possibly relocating to Boston in 1921?

  • Cy | September 20, 2007 at 1:17 pm |

    Sadly, no word on if the Nats will get to wear their awesome-beyond-description Negro League throwbacks more often.

    :crosses fingers, toes, eyes:

  • sj32 | September 20, 2007 at 1:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”145099″][quote comment=”145091″][quote comment=”145078″]Can the Jays really wear a powder blue uniform at home? That WAS a road uniform in the past. I thought MLB wouldn’t allow a road uniform to be worn at home?
    I believe its an alternate or throwback now, so I don’t think its officially a road uniform.[/quote]

    The question is, if Toronto does get to wear those at home, why did MLB not let Kansas City wear blue pants at home too? Do any teams in MLB currently have more than two paits of pants?[/quote]

    Mets: Home whites, home pinstripes, road grays.[/quote]

    Brewers: Home whites, alternate pinstripes, road grays

  • sj32 | September 20, 2007 at 1:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”145117″][quote comment=”145099″][quote comment=”145091″][quote comment=”145078″]Can the Jays really wear a powder blue uniform at home? That WAS a road uniform in the past. I thought MLB wouldn’t allow a road uniform to be worn at home?
    I believe its an alternate or throwback now, so I don’t think its officially a road uniform.[/quote]

    The question is, if Toronto does get to wear those at home, why did MLB not let Kansas City wear blue pants at home too? Do any teams in MLB currently have more than two paits of pants?[/quote]

    Mets: Home whites, home pinstripes, road grays.[/quote]

    Brewers: Home whites, alternate pinstripes, road grays[/quote]

    Astros: Home whites, home pinstripes, road grays

  • Joe Drennan | September 20, 2007 at 1:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”145115″][quote comment=”145063″][quote comment=”145056″][quote comment=”145054″][quote comment=”145043″]The Washington Wizards used to be the Washington Bullets. “Wizards” is ok, but “Bullets” had the NBA written all over it, (sounded like a pro team) Wizards sounds like a team from the television show Saved by the Bell. And now the Devil Rays are just Rays? So that makes the NBA and MLB making changes to their team names. Any other teams leagues changing names that didn’t leave the city that they were playing for? I’d love to read about it. I can’t think of any in the NHL or NFL.[/quote]
    ..didn’t the Philadelphia Athletics switch to the Phillies?[/quote]

    No. Two seperate teams. But the Houston Colt .45s did switch to the Houston Astros. And if you go back to the 20s and before, teams switched names a lot.[/quote]
    That’s right. The Red Sox were once even known as the Yankees. Go figure.[/quote]
    I’m sorry, I can’t let that pass without comment.

    Are you sure you aren’t confusing them with the Boston Yanks NFL team?

    Or the story that circulated a couple years ago about the Yankees possibly relocating to Boston in 1921?[/quote]
    I’ll look for the exact passage in the book, but I am 98% certain that in the book Crazy ’08 it’s referenced. It’s actualy a great book as they mention many teams and their early names.

  • Chance | September 20, 2007 at 1:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”145117″][quote comment=”145099″][quote comment=”145091″][quote comment=”145078″]Can the Jays really wear a powder blue uniform at home? That WAS a road uniform in the past. I thought MLB wouldn’t allow a road uniform to be worn at home?
    I believe its an alternate or throwback now, so I don’t think its officially a road uniform.[/quote]

    The question is, if Toronto does get to wear those at home, why did MLB not let Kansas City wear blue pants at home too? Do any teams in MLB currently have more than two paits of pants?[/quote]

    Mets: Home whites, home pinstripes, road grays.[/quote]

    Brewers: Home whites, alternate pinstripes, road grays[/quote]

    The Pirates also have home whites, home pinstripes and road grays.

  • Gabe | September 20, 2007 at 1:21 pm |

    Check out the lower serif on the 2 worn by the mid-’80s Browns (home, road).

    Does anyone else not see the difference in the 2’s? I can’t see it. A little help anyone?

  • Ed | September 20, 2007 at 1:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”144987″]
    People with photoshp can create something better than what MLB produces becasue that one person doesn’t have to please 35 other people. Often times when it comes to sports and corperate logoes there are too many hands in the cookie jar when creating logos, not to mention the desire not to offend anybody in any way.[/quote]

    Yep. Same holds true in other areas. Look at the unevenness of the designs of the state quarter series. Wisconsin’s looks like it was clearly designed by a committee (“well, we’re known for cheese” “don’t forget other dairy, so throw a cow in there too” “the corn lobby wants in on this action” “so how do we make this uniquely Wisconsin?” “How bout we put the state motto on it” “OK, I’ll whip something together tonight and send it off to the mint.”)

    Compare it with this sublime design (ironically, from Oregon):

    No offense intended to the great residents of the state of Wisconsin.

    ed

  • Joe Drennan | September 20, 2007 at 1:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”145119″][quote comment=”145115″][quote comment=”145063″][quote comment=”145056″][quote comment=”145054″][quote comment=”145043″]The Washington Wizards used to be the Washington Bullets. “Wizards” is ok, but “Bullets” had the NBA written all over it, (sounded like a pro team) Wizards sounds like a team from the television show Saved by the Bell. And now the Devil Rays are just Rays? So that makes the NBA and MLB making changes to their team names. Any other teams leagues changing names that didn’t leave the city that they were playing for? I’d love to read about it. I can’t think of any in the NHL or NFL.[/quote]
    ..didn’t the Philadelphia Athletics switch to the Phillies?[/quote]

    No. Two seperate teams. But the Houston Colt .45s did switch to the Houston Astros. And if you go back to the 20s and before, teams switched names a lot.[/quote]
    That’s right. The Red Sox were once even known as the Yankees. Go figure.[/quote]
    I’m sorry, I can’t let that pass without comment.

    Are you sure you aren’t confusing them with the Boston Yanks NFL team?

    Or the story that circulated a couple years ago about the Yankees possibly relocating to Boston in 1921?[/quote]
    I’ll look for the exact passage in the book, but I am 98% certain that in the book Crazy ’08 it’s referenced. It’s actualy a great book as they mention many teams and their early names.[/quote]
    From Crazy o8, page 4, 3rd paragraph on the page.

    The owners do fiddle with a few things. In the American League, John Taylor, owner of the Boston team, decided to redesign the team’s uniform, switching from light-blue stocking to red ones. Taylor jokes, “You newspaper men will have to pick a new nickname for my team.” then known as the Pilgrims, and previously as the Collinsites, Puritans, Somersets, and even Yankkes…

  • Perry | September 20, 2007 at 1:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”145043″]The Washington Wizards used to be the Washington Bullets. “Wizards” is ok, but “Bullets” had the NBA written all over it, (sounded like a pro team) Wizards sounds like a team from the television show Saved by the Bell. And now the Devil Rays are just Rays? So that makes the NBA and MLB making changes to their team names. Any other teams leagues changing names that didn’t leave the city that they were playing for? I’d love to read about it. I can’t think of any in the NHL or NFL.[/quote]

    I think the Titans were still known as the Oilers their first few years in Tennessee.

  • Bluesfan | September 20, 2007 at 1:26 pm |

    I don’t follow the NBA but didn’t the Bullets have some deep history behind them?

    Hope this does not sound nitpicky, but it depends on what you call “history”…in the 1970’s they were the Baltimore Bullets and then moved to Landover, Maryland and were called the Capital Bullets then later changed to Washington Bullets.

  • Kevin | September 20, 2007 at 1:26 pm |

    Here’s a link to the Redskins throwbacks that they’ll wear on Sunday. Bonus coverage of Sean Taylor’s afro.

    http://blog.washingt...

  • Nate | September 20, 2007 at 1:29 pm |

    Here’s a link to the Redskins throwbacks that they’ll wear on Sunday. Bonus coverage of Sean Taylor’s afro.

    Dang. They should wear those all the time.

  • Shaftman | September 20, 2007 at 1:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”145127″][quote comment=”145043″]The Washington Wizards used to be the Washington Bullets. “Wizards” is ok, but “Bullets” had the NBA written all over it, (sounded like a pro team) Wizards sounds like a team from the television show Saved by the Bell. And now the Devil Rays are just Rays? So that makes the NBA and MLB making changes to their team names. Any other teams leagues changing names that didn’t leave the city that they were playing for? I’d love to read about it. I can’t think of any in the NHL or NFL.[/quote]

    I think the Titans were still known as the Oilers their first few years in Tennessee.[/quote]

    Yes, but that was when they played in Memphis. When they moved to Nashville they changed the name/uni’s and went to the Titans.

  • Perry | September 20, 2007 at 1:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”145054″][quote comment=”145043″]The Washington Wizards used to be the Washington Bullets. “Wizards” is ok, but “Bullets” had the NBA written all over it, (sounded like a pro team) Wizards sounds like a team from the television show Saved by the Bell. And now the Devil Rays are just Rays? So that makes the NBA and MLB making changes to their team names. Any other teams leagues changing names that didn’t leave the city that they were playing for? I’d love to read about it. I can’t think of any in the NHL or NFL.[/quote]
    ..didn’t the Philadelphia Athletics switch to the Phillies?[/quote]

    No, they were different teams, the Athletics moved to KC and then Oakland. Also, the Braves didn’t become the Red Sox, the Browns didn’t become the Cardinals, and the Giants didn’t become the Mets. :-)

    The Highlanders did become the Yankees, but back then names were fairly informal and unofficial and that sort of thing happened a lot.

  • Mike | September 20, 2007 at 1:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”145070″][quote comment=”145016″]I just got my first head baseball coaching job at a school…only to find the colors are gold and PURPLE. I have to design uniforms now…What do I do? I’d love some feedback. Thanks[/quote]

    Marc-
    Congratulations on getting the job. Having been a baseball coach and designed two complete uniforms myself, I know how excited you must be.

    Here are my thoughts based on my experience:
    –It’s great that they’re giving you the resources to purchase new unis. You, now, have the responsibility to make them last. That said, go with grey pants; kids don’t always get things washed, and the inevitable stains are less visible on grey. I would highlight the pants with a single purple stripe (known as “soutache”) down the leg.
    –If you go with grey pants, obviously one of your jerseys will be grey. I would suggested going with purple on gold (two color) lettering. One color lettering on grey looks cheap.
    –For the second jersey (assuming you have the funds to do that), and you don’t like purple, I would go with a gold jersey. For lettering, I would suggest going with white on purple (two colors, again); putting a colored number on a colored jersey (in this case, purple on gold) never seems to go well, plus, you get to take out as much purple as possible.
    –For the hat, you are pretty much stuck with purple, because gold, grey, or white hats will get very dirty over the course of the season (there is dirt in baseball, remember). If you really, really wanted to go with a gold cap, however, I would suggest one of the new generation of mesh caps. I like the mesh cap put out by Richardson, and it goes through the wash great. For a more traditional wool or acrylic cap, check out a company called Zephyr — very, very affordable. Stay away from New Era — too expensive for the high school market, in my opinion.

    Good luck![/quote]
    My high school was a purple and gold school. We had two uniforms…a gray uniform with purple lettering and a yellow outline…looked nice. and then our other jersey? give this a chance…it was black…with gold lettering and a purple outline. i know you all hate black but it looked REALLY good.

  • Chance | September 20, 2007 at 1:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”145126″][quote comment=”145119″][quote comment=”145115″][quote comment=”145063″][quote comment=”145056″][quote comment=”145054″][quote comment=”145043″]The Washington Wizards used to be the Washington Bullets. “Wizards” is ok, but “Bullets” had the NBA written all over it, (sounded like a pro team) Wizards sounds like a team from the television show Saved by the Bell. And now the Devil Rays are just Rays? So that makes the NBA and MLB making changes to their team names. Any other teams leagues changing names that didn’t leave the city that they were playing for? I’d love to read about it. I can’t think of any in the NHL or NFL.[/quote]
    ..didn’t the Philadelphia Athletics switch to the Phillies?[/quote]

    No. Two seperate teams. But the Houston Colt .45s did switch to the Houston Astros. And if you go back to the 20s and before, teams switched names a lot.[/quote]
    That’s right. The Red Sox were once even known as the Yankees. Go figure.[/quote]
    I’m sorry, I can’t let that pass without comment.

    Are you sure you aren’t confusing them with the Boston Yanks NFL team?

    Or the story that circulated a couple years ago about the Yankees possibly relocating to Boston in 1921?[/quote]
    I’ll look for the exact passage in the book, but I am 98% certain that in the book Crazy ’08 it’s referenced. It’s actualy a great book as they mention many teams and their early names.[/quote]
    From Crazy o8, page 4, 3rd paragraph on the page.

    The owners do fiddle with a few things. In the American League, John Taylor, owner of the Boston team, decided to redesign the team’s uniform, switching from light-blue stocking to red ones. Taylor jokes, “You newspaper men will have to pick a new nickname for my team.” then known as the Pilgrims, and previously as the Collinsites, Puritans, Somersets, and even Yankkes…[/quote]
    Hmm. We’ll need more than that, I think. Did Murphy provide a source for the assertion?

  • Bluesfan | September 20, 2007 at 1:34 pm |

    Couple of other College Teams (off the top of my head) that changed their names…mainly because the PC crowd took control:

    Stanford Indians/Cardinal (with a friggin Tree as a mascot)

    Marquette Warriors/Golden Eagles

  • Original Jim | September 20, 2007 at 1:35 pm |

    Helvetica uniform connections:

    Philadelphia Phillies, 70’s-80’s. Some of the numbers may have been modified, but it’s definitely Helvetica.

    NY Rangers ’76-77/77-78. The numbers definitely look like Helvetica. They may also have been modified, but I haven’t seen that may photos aside from the Vintage line put out a few years ago, and those may or may not be totally accurate.

    Bowling Green University Football 2006. The road uniforms used Arial Bold numbers…Arial is the bastard child of Helvetica for PCs.

    The Newark Bears use Arial Black in the logo, but wear a modified version of Helvetica Bold for the uniform numbers.

    The Philadelphia Sixers have already been mentioned, but that was just for the wordmark, not the numbers.

  • Nate | September 20, 2007 at 1:35 pm |

    My high school was a purple and gold school. We had two uniforms…a gray uniform with purple lettering and a yellow outline…looked nice. and then our other jersey? give this a chance…it was black…with gold lettering and a purple outline. i know you all hate black but it looked REALLY good.
    The way I imagine it, they do look good.

  • Nolan | September 20, 2007 at 1:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”144934″]I had a thought about the rounded hemlines for the new NHL jerseys: would they look better untucked if the rounded portion were colored to match the breezers so that they blended in?[/quote]

    This was my thought when I saw a pic of a Vancouver player. But it would just give the appearance of a short jersey, no?

    There is only one solution. Straighten it out.

  • Ronnie Poore | September 20, 2007 at 1:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”144977″]
    I just got my first head baseball coaching job at a school…only to find the colors are gold and PURPLE. I have to design uniforms now…What do I do? I’d love some feedback. Thanks[/quote]
    here are some examples of how LSU (same colors) has handled it:
    http://media.225bato...

    https://www.nmnathle...

    http://www.uscho.com...

    http://farm1.static....

  • Joe Drennan | September 20, 2007 at 1:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”145135″][quote comment=”145126″][quote comment=”145119″][quote comment=”145115″][quote comment=”145063″][quote comment=”145056″][quote comment=”145054″][quote comment=”145043″]The Washington Wizards used to be the Washington Bullets. “Wizards” is ok, but “Bullets” had the NBA written all over it, (sounded like a pro team) Wizards sounds like a team from the television show Saved by the Bell. And now the Devil Rays are just Rays? So that makes the NBA and MLB making changes to their team names. Any other teams leagues changing names that didn’t leave the city that they were playing for? I’d love to read about it. I can’t think of any in the NHL or NFL.[/quote]
    ..didn’t the Philadelphia Athletics switch to the Phillies?[/quote]

    No. Two seperate teams. But the Houston Colt .45s did switch to the Houston Astros. And if you go back to the 20s and before, teams switched names a lot.[/quote]
    That’s right. The Red Sox were once even known as the Yankees. Go figure.[/quote]
    I’m sorry, I can’t let that pass without comment.

    Are you sure you aren’t confusing them with the Boston Yanks NFL team?

    Or the story that circulated a couple years ago about the Yankees possibly relocating to Boston in 1921?[/quote]
    I’ll look for the exact passage in the book, but I am 98% certain that in the book Crazy ’08 it’s referenced. It’s actualy a great book as they mention many teams and their early names.[/quote]
    From Crazy o8, page 4, 3rd paragraph on the page.

    The owners do fiddle with a few things. In the American League, John Taylor, owner of the Boston team, decided to redesign the team’s uniform, switching from light-blue stocking to red ones. Taylor jokes, “You newspaper men will have to pick a new nickname for my team.” then known as the Pilgrims, and previously as the Collinsites, Puritans, Somersets, and even Yankkes…[/quote]
    Hmm. We’ll need more than that, I think. Did Murphy provide a source for the assertion?[/quote]
    She did – Sporting Life, December 28, 1907

  • Walaitis | September 20, 2007 at 1:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”145101″]Cant believe as attention to detail oriented as all of us are we have completely overlooked the Blue Jays belt in the throwback uni!! It’s made to simulate the look of the pull up pants! How sweet is that? And why haven’t more teams done it? It looks amazing.[/quote]

    Ah HAH! Took me a while (maybe I am taking this obsessive thing a little far) … but I did mention that about 11:30 … “I don’t know if I’d call it a complaint, but it looks odd to me to see a pullover with a belt (as opposed to drawstring).”

  • ScottyJ in WV | September 20, 2007 at 1:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”144977″]As a side not to Paul and the UW faithful, I need your help!!!

    I just got my first head baseball coaching job at a school…only to find the colors are gold and PURPLE. I have to design uniforms now…What do I do? I’d love some feedback. Thanks[/quote]

    Here’s some photos of the East Carolina Pirates…

  • Mark | September 20, 2007 at 1:54 pm |

    The new Cleveland alternates do nothing for me. I do wish, however, that they would go back to a wishbone-C on the caps or even the from the 70s. Now I would dig that. The current (now defunct I guess) alts grew on me and while they were nothing special, I do feel they were a bit underrated.

    I am happy that the silver/metallic is gone. I was never a fan of that and preferred the white they had from 94-02(?). Have they worn 80s era throwbacks at all?

  • dilbert719 | September 20, 2007 at 1:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”145096″]Teams that have changed there name but have not moved cities:[/quote]

    OK, truncated that royally so as to avoid the ridiculous long string of text that would result, but I wanted to add that if you’re going to include the Steagles and Card-Pitt for Pittsburgh and Philadelphia, you’d also need to include Card-Pitt for the Cardinals as well.

    As far as the Phillies being the Blue Jays, that was attempted, but it never took. According to that most reliable of sources, Wikipedia, the team was still officially the Phillies, and were the Blue Jays unofficially. The team uniforms during that period did not change to reflect the new nickname, except to add a blue jay patch on the shoulder, so that lends credence to the argument. We also went through something similar with the name “Live Wires.”

  • Kris McInnis | September 20, 2007 at 1:58 pm |

    Wait, I missed something. In dropping the ‘Devil’ from Devil Rays and changing the team identity, is Tampa Bay now trying to portray ‘Rays’ in the same vein as ‘Golden Rays of Sunshine’? If the uniform and the logos were a landscape, with the sky-ish colors and sunbursts, that manta ray on the sleeve would be the retarded alien thing, flying trough the air and no one can explain why. So out of place.

  • My name is not Earl | September 20, 2007 at 2:00 pm |

    More NCAA teams that have changed: Louisiana-Lafayette (formerly Southwestern Louisiana) was once the Bulldogs until becoming the Ragin’ Cajuns in the 1960s. And then ther’s the whole fiasco involving the Rainbows and Warriors at Hawai’i

  • Bluesfan | September 20, 2007 at 2:04 pm |

    For some reason, I thought a few years ago North Texas State changed their name to the “Mean Green”. Am I wrong?

  • Ronnie Poore | September 20, 2007 at 2:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”145132″][quote comment=”145127″][quote comment=”145043″]The Washington Wizards used to be the Washington Bullets. “Wizards” is ok, but “Bullets” had the NBA written all over it, (sounded like a pro team) Wizards sounds like a team from the television show Saved by the Bell. And now the Devil Rays are just Rays? So that makes the NBA and MLB making changes to their team names. Any other teams leagues changing names that didn’t leave the city that they were playing for? I’d love to read about it. I can’t think of any in the NHL or NFL.[/quote]

    I think the Titans were still known as the Oilers their first few years in Tennessee.[/quote]

    Yes, but that was when they played in Memphis. When they moved to Nashville they changed the name/uni’s and went to the Titans.[/quote]

    they played in Memphis (Liberty Bowl stadium) as the Oilers in 1997, then in Nashville, again as the Oilers, in 1998 (at Vanderbilt stadium). when their Nashville stadium was finally ready in 1999, they changed to the Titans.

  • Bluesfan | September 20, 2007 at 2:15 pm |

    Paul

    YOU ARE GOING TO SCREAM!

    I am guessing you will probably use nothing but a debit card.

    This came from Yahoo! news. I am not providing the whole story…just enough to make Paul gag.

    $5 bill to have splashes of purple, gray By MARTIN CRUTSINGER, AP Economics Writer
    Thu Sep 20, 9:10 AM ET

    WASHINGTON – Honest Abe will become Colorful Abe with splashes of purple and gray livening up the $5 bill.

  • Kip Whiffle | September 20, 2007 at 2:16 pm |

    I don’t know all the details, but Virginia Tech was the Fighting Gobblers before they became known as the Hokies.

  • Paul Lukas | September 20, 2007 at 2:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”145137″]Helvetica uniform connections:

    Philadelphia Phillies, 70’s-80’s. Some of the numbers may have been modified, but it’s definitely Helvetica.

    NY Rangers ’76-77/77-78. The numbers definitely look like Helvetica. They may also have been modified…[/quote]

    Jim, you probably know more about type than I do, but couldn’t “modified Helvetica” just be Univers, or something like that?

  • Shaftman | September 20, 2007 at 2:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”145164″][quote comment=”145132″][quote comment=”145127″][quote comment=”145043″]The Washington Wizards used to be the Washington Bullets. “Wizards” is ok, but “Bullets” had the NBA written all over it, (sounded like a pro team) Wizards sounds like a team from the television show Saved by the Bell. And now the Devil Rays are just Rays? So that makes the NBA and MLB making changes to their team names. Any other teams leagues changing names that didn’t leave the city that they were playing for? I’d love to read about it. I can’t think of any in the NHL or NFL.[/quote]

    I think the Titans were still known as the Oilers their first few years in Tennessee.[/quote]

    Yes, but that was when they played in Memphis. When they moved to Nashville they changed the name/uni’s and went to the Titans.[/quote]

    they played in Memphis (Liberty Bowl stadium) as the Oilers in 1997, then in Nashville, again as the Oilers, in 1998 (at Vanderbilt stadium). when their Nashville stadium was finally ready in 1999, they changed to the Titans.[/quote]

    I stand corrected. Thanks.

  • Poo Holes | September 20, 2007 at 2:20 pm |

    Regarding the potential safety issues involving the RBK sweaters:

    Ugly jerseys don’t hit goons, goons hit goons.

  • todd krevanchi | September 20, 2007 at 2:22 pm |

    if my name was ray, id get my wife one of those new tampa jerseys. like showing possesion… as though she was lableled “rays”

    i remember a shot of jessica simpson (when still married) wearing a ny knicks sweatshirt, withought the K, so it said, nicks.

  • Eriq Jaffe | September 20, 2007 at 2:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”145035″][quote comment=”145029″][quote comment=”144983″]I think it’s meant to be worn multiple times. But as we recently learned with the White Sox, it won’t necessarily happen that way.[/quote]

    The Sox did wear those 1906 throwbacks twice last year.[/quote]

    Yeah, but it was supposed to be their Sunday uniform. Didn’t work out that way.[/quote]

    I don’t recall that it was going to be an every Sunday thing, just an occasional throwback. Are you thinking of this one, which they wore on Sundays in 2001?

  • Chance | September 20, 2007 at 2:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”145145″][quote comment=”145135″]
    Hmm. We’ll need more than that, I think. Did Murphy provide a source for the assertion?[/quote]
    She did – Sporting Life, December 28, 1907[/quote]
    Interesting. I’d love to see that.

    The first reference to the New York team as “Yankees” I can find was in 1906, in the New York Times – April 15, 1906.

  • Chance | September 20, 2007 at 2:34 pm |

    Also found this:
    09/09/1904 – Boston Herald again refers to NY baseball club as Yankees, when it reports “Yankees take 2,” Yankee name not official till 1913

    But the Herald’s online archives only go back to 1991, so I cannot confirm. If both the Boston and NYC papers were using the nickname “Yankee” for the NY AL club by 1907, is it possible that Murphy is incorrect?

  • Roger Faso | September 20, 2007 at 2:34 pm |

    I assume this has already been posted, but I haven’t seen it here, before.

    Stumbled upon this link on Sport Guy’s page.

    http://www.mghelmets...

    It’s very cool. Deserves to be in the Links Sections.

    Enjoy.

  • Chance | September 20, 2007 at 2:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”145175″]if my name was ray, id get my wife one of those new tampa jerseys. like showing possesion… as though she was lableled “rays”

    i remember a shot of jessica simpson (when still married) wearing a ny knicks sweatshirt, withought the K, so it said, nicks.[/quote]
    There was a fashion in NYC for a while in the 1990s to buy a NY Rangers sweater and remove the “S” and first “R”…

  • KW | September 20, 2007 at 2:36 pm |

    The reason why the glove is on the inside of his glove is MLB and the Players Association came to an agreement this past off season that no flags are to be shown on gloves, batters gloves, bats, or footwear anymore

    Doesnt mean that everyone follows the rules though…

  • Jkads | September 20, 2007 at 2:37 pm |

    Bid on Sandy Koufax’s synagogue worn yarmulke:

    Ebay link

  • Robert | September 20, 2007 at 2:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”145144″][quote comment=”144977″]
    I just got my first head baseball coaching job at a school…only to find the colors are gold and PURPLE. I have to design uniforms now…What do I do? I’d love some feedback. Thanks[/quote]
    here are some examples of how LSU (same colors) has handled it:
    http://media.225bato...

    https://www.nmnathle...

    http://www.uscho.com...

    http://farm1.static....

    My high school team went with purple-over-purple, with purple/yellow hats, yellow-sleeved undershirts, yellow stirrups and white shoes. You had to love the early 1980s.

    It kills me that I cannot find a photo of those uniforms, and I have looked far and wide. At the time, the guys on the team thought that we looked really sharp, and we made fun of the uniforms from years earlier that were traditional white w/ red pinstripes.

  • timmy b | September 20, 2007 at 2:41 pm |

    Boston Braves baseball team known as the Boston Bees c.1935 thru c.1944

    As noted in The Sporting News of the era.

    Also, weren’t the Oakland Athletics known OFFICIALLY as the Oakland A’s from 1970 thru roughly 1980??

  • Original Jim | September 20, 2007 at 2:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”145172″]Jim, you probably know more about type than I do, but couldn’t “modified Helvetica” just be Univers, or something like that?[/quote]

    No…two entirely different fonts. I should have said “tweaked” rather than modified.

    The teams might have taken Helvetica and just slightly altered it, whether it was by getting rid of the arm of the 1, raising the middle bar of the 5, and so forth. It’s still the same font, just with minor changes to it.

    I do know that many teams have used other sans serif fonts (altered or otherwise) for their uniforms…the US Soccer team used a form of DIN for the 98 and 02 World Cups, and a few AHL teams used some of the Franklin Gothic family for numbers and nameplate lettering.

  • Bluesfan | September 20, 2007 at 2:45 pm |

    Also, weren’t the Oakland Athletics known OFFICIALLY as the Oakland A’s from 1970 thru roughly 1980??

    I am not sure, but I think they only went by the A’s, but there wasn’t anything formal or official.

  • Chance | September 20, 2007 at 2:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”145190″]
    Also, weren’t the Oakland Athletics known OFFICIALLY as the Oakland A’s from 1970 thru roughly 1980??[/quote]

    Not to my knowledge. They wore the “A’s” logo on their jerseys and might have downplayed “Athletics”, but I don’t know that they officially dropped it.

  • Will Morris | September 20, 2007 at 2:47 pm |

    In regards to the Phillies’ blue caps.

    No.

    Just… no.

    Didn’t we prove in 1994 that blue hats for the Phillies just do not work? The fans did not like them, the PLAYERS did not like them, and moreover, thhy were unlucky articles of clothing, as the Phils lost most of the games they played in them.

  • Joe Drennan | September 20, 2007 at 2:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”145180″][quote comment=”145145″][quote comment=”145135″]
    Hmm. We’ll need more than that, I think. Did Murphy provide a source for the assertion?[/quote]
    She did – Sporting Life, December 28, 1907[/quote]
    Interesting. I’d love to see that.

    The first reference to the New York team as “Yankees” I can find was in 1906, in the New York Times – April 15, 1906.[/quote]
    No, this isn’t refering to the NY ball club as the Yankees,. but Boston, the Red Sox, the team whos fans despise the New York Yankees. If you think about it, it’s like the Pakcers being known as the Bears early on in their club’s history.

  • Eriq Jaffe | September 20, 2007 at 2:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”145193″][quote comment=”145190″]
    Also, weren’t the Oakland Athletics known OFFICIALLY as the Oakland A’s from 1970 thru roughly 1980??[/quote]

    Not to my knowledge. They wore the “A’s” logo on their jerseys and might have downplayed “Athletics”, but I don’t know that they officially dropped it.[/quote]

    The Phillies tried to transition into being known as the Blue Jays during WW2, but it was never official and only lasted a couple of years.

    Check out the sleeve patch on these.

  • Chance | September 20, 2007 at 2:54 pm |

    One more note on the “New York Yankees” nickname: this guy researched NYC papers, and found that the nickname was regularly used by the press as early as 1904….

  • Chance | September 20, 2007 at 2:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”145197″][quote comment=”145180″][quote comment=”145145″][quote comment=”145135″]
    Hmm. We’ll need more than that, I think. Did Murphy provide a source for the assertion?[/quote]
    She did – Sporting Life, December 28, 1907[/quote]
    Interesting. I’d love to see that.

    The first reference to the New York team as “Yankees” I can find was in 1906, in the New York Times – April 15, 1906.[/quote]
    No, this isn’t refering to the NY ball club as the Yankees,. but Boston, the Red Sox, the team whos fans despise the New York Yankees. If you think about it, it’s like the Pakcers being known as the Bears early on in their club’s history.[/quote]
    It sure would be, if true.

    The fact that New York papers had been calling the Yankees “the Yankees” for three years by that point tends to make me a little skeptical, though.

    It would be like the Packers being called the “Green Bay Bears” in 1925, after the Chicago club had become known by that name.

  • Joe Drennan | September 20, 2007 at 2:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”145197″][quote comment=”145180″][quote comment=”145145″][quote comment=”145135″]
    Hmm. We’ll need more than that, I think. Did Murphy provide a source for the assertion?[/quote]
    She did – Sporting Life, December 28, 1907[/quote]
    Interesting. I’d love to see that.

    The first reference to the New York team as “Yankees” I can find was in 1906, in the New York Times – April 15, 1906.[/quote]
    No, this isn’t refering to the NY ball club as the Yankees,. but Boston, the Red Sox, the team whos fans despise the New York Yankees. If you think about it, it’s like the Pakcers being known as the Bears early on in their club’s history.[/quote]
    I gues you coulld speculate that Murphy could be wrong, but she has an extensive bibliogrpahy citing many sources of her information making me think this nugget is true.

  • josh | September 20, 2007 at 2:59 pm |

    As a rule, the NBA doesn’t allow name changes for any reason, which is why we have the completely illogical Los Angeles Lakers and Utah Jazz. An exception was made in DC because at the time, DChad the highest murder rate in the country and the irony of the local team being called,”Bullets” in that context was a little too bitter. My only beef is in light of this unprecedented exception , they come up with, “Wizards”?

    And if the White Sox decide to go the throwback route again, here’s my choice.

    http://exhibits.base...

  • Chris | September 20, 2007 at 3:00 pm |

    Are the phillies eliminating their Interleague caps. If so, that sucks. I liked them even though I am a marlins fan.

    Btw, I have tried to get a hat from every team in the lague, and let me tell ya, there are too many red, black and blue teams. Go for the yellow, green, purple, gold, and greys. jeez. use the secondary color for gods sake.

  • Orange and Blue | September 20, 2007 at 3:01 pm |

    My God…Those Cleveland Indian home alternates are a thing of beauty….

    And those Redskins throwbacks don’t look half-bad either. Those are my first memories of the ‘Skins. Can’t wait to see them in action on Sunday.

  • Chance | September 20, 2007 at 3:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”145198″][quote comment=”145193″][quote comment=”145190″]
    Also, weren’t the Oakland Athletics known OFFICIALLY as the Oakland A’s from 1970 thru roughly 1980??[/quote]

    Not to my knowledge. They wore the “A’s” logo on their jerseys and might have downplayed “Athletics”, but I don’t know that they officially dropped it.[/quote]

    The Phillies tried to transition into being known as the Blue Jays during WW2, but it was never official and only lasted a couple of years.

    Check out the sleeve patch on these.[/quote]
    I love that patch.

    The fact that they never took “Phillies” off the front of the uniform is interesting.

    There’s a great scan of a 1945 program here, with a good look at the secondary Blue Jays logo.

  • Stuby | September 20, 2007 at 3:03 pm |

    Wow, that Giants 50th anniversary patch is really boring. I guess when you haven’t won a championship in your 50-year stay in a particular city, there’s nothing to really crow about.

  • Roger Faso | September 20, 2007 at 3:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”145192″]Also, weren’t the Oakland Athletics known OFFICIALLY as the Oakland A’s from 1970 thru roughly 1980??

    I am not sure, but I think they only went by the A’s, but there wasn’t anything formal or official.[/quote]

    They were officially called the Oakland A’s. Upon buying the A’s from Charlie Finley, the Haas family returned to the Athletics.

    The Pittsburgh Pirates were called the Spiders for a short time.

  • Ian K | September 20, 2007 at 3:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”145160″]For some reason, I thought a few years ago North Texas State changed their name to the “Mean Green”. Am I wrong?[/quote]

    They go by both “Mean Green” and “Eagles”. Mean Green is used more, but Eagles is still prevalent. They also changed from North Texas State to University of North Texas in the early 90s.

  • Marty Met | September 20, 2007 at 3:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”145172″][quote comment=”145137″]Helvetica uniform connections:

    Philadelphia Phillies, 70’s-80’s. Some of the numbers may have been modified, but it’s definitely Helvetica.

    NY Rangers ’76-77/77-78. The numbers definitely look like Helvetica. They may also have been modified…[/quote]

    Jim, you probably know more about type than I do, but couldn’t “modified Helvetica” just be Univers, or something like that?[/quote]

    Univers and Helvetica are completely different typefaces but there are fonts out there that look like “modified” Helvetica

  • Eric | September 20, 2007 at 3:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”145043″]The Washington Wizards used to be the Washington Bullets. “Wizards” is ok, but “Bullets” had the NBA written all over it, (sounded like a pro team) Wizards sounds like a team from the television show Saved by the Bell. And now the Devil Rays are just Rays? So that makes the NBA and MLB making changes to their team names. Any other teams leagues changing names that didn’t leave the city that they were playing for? I’d love to read about it. I can’t think of any in the NHL or NFL.[/quote]

    MLS had quite a few name changes without team moves, off the top of my head, I recall:

    San Jose Clash –> Earthquakes (hat tip to the old NASL ‘Quakes)

    KC Wiz –> Wizards (yes they were originally just the “wiz”

    NY/NJ MetroStars –> NY RedBulls (Corporate Sponsorship tie in)

    Dallas Burn –> nothing (now simply FC Dallas)

  • muskiejim | September 20, 2007 at 3:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”144970″]Back to the discussion a few days ago about NHL pants, and whether players would be required to wear Reebok’s pant systems if they were aligned with another manufacturer….

    Here’s a photo of Steve Staios, and you can pretty clearly see the Oilers shell from whatever manufacturer he chose, over what is likely the Reebok system pants / girdle. Most pants you buy off the shelf have the shell integrated into the pants.

    Staios Pic[/quote]

    Shocked that no one has pointed out the blatantly mismatched pants and jerseys/socks the Leafs are wearing. Hopefully that will be fixed by the regular season.

  • J.T. | September 20, 2007 at 3:30 pm |

    new documentary film about the typeface Helvetica (called, of course, Helvetica) is currently screening here in New York. I saw it two nights ago and loved it. No team I can think of has ever used Helvetica on its uniforms, which helps explain why the movie has no sports-related content, but there are several good interludes with graphic designer Michael Beirut, who I know has done some work for the Jets, plus plenty of detail-driven bits that should appeal to anyone who Gets It™. Recommended viewing.

    IT SEEMS THE OTTAWA SENATORS NEW “EDGE” UNIS USE HELVETICA FOR THE NAMEPLATE.

  • Adam | September 20, 2007 at 3:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”145178″][quote comment=”145035″][quote comment=”145029″][quote comment=”144983″]I think it’s meant to be worn multiple times. But as we recently learned with the White Sox, it won’t necessarily happen that way.[/quote]

    The Sox did wear those 1906 throwbacks twice last year.[/quote]

    Yeah, but it was supposed to be their Sunday uniform. Didn’t work out that way.[/quote]

    I don’t recall that it was going to be an every Sunday thing, just an occasional throwback. Are you thinking of this one, which they wore on Sundays in 2001?[/quote]

    I can’t remember for sure if there was ever an official announcement or if it was all gossip, but people did expect them to be worn more (for example, this, from a May 2006 Uni Watch entry: “The White Sox were supposed to be wearing a 1906 throwback outfit — complete with a henley pullover and a blank cap — for Sunday home games this season.”)

  • Adam | September 20, 2007 at 3:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”145231″]
    I can’t remember for sure if there was ever an official announcement or if it was all gossip, but people did expect them to be worn more (for example, this, from a May 2006 Uni Watch entry: “The White Sox were supposed to be wearing a 1906 throwback outfit — complete with a henley pullover and a blank cap — for Sunday home games this season.”)[/quote]

    I meant to add, and this may be way off, but I have a hunch that they were planning to make a bigger deal about the 100th anniversery of the 1906 championship, including wearing the uniforms more, but then they won in 2005 and that took center stage.

  • Eric | September 20, 2007 at 3:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”145136″]Couple of other College Teams (off the top of my head) that changed their names…mainly because the PC crowd took control:

    Stanford Indians/Cardinal (with a friggin Tree as a mascot)

    Marquette Warriors/Golden Eagles[/quote]

    It is worse than that for Stanford, they in fact went from Indians to Cardinals (the bird) to simply the singular Cardinal (the color, no joke). I grew up in the South Bay, and I remember the days of the usage of the plural “Cardinals”

  • Graf Zeppelin | September 20, 2007 at 3:43 pm |

    Not uni-related, but…

    Kudos to Paul for capturing my pain so precisely over at the Page 2 Pity Party:

    “My team doing an unprecedented choke + my most hated team pulling off an unprecedented comeback = worst season ever. Nearly every day, the Mets’ lead falls by another game, and so does the Yankees’ deficit — it’s like watching the world collapse in slow motion.”

  • Neil | September 20, 2007 at 3:44 pm |

    Nice Canadian $5 bill you got there.

    Oh well, ours is worth more now anyway.

  • Adam | September 20, 2007 at 3:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”145193″][quote comment=”145190″]
    Also, weren’t the Oakland Athletics known OFFICIALLY as the Oakland A’s from 1970 thru roughly 1980??[/quote]

    Not to my knowledge. They wore the “A’s” logo on their jerseys and might have downplayed “Athletics”, but I don’t know that they officially dropped it.[/quote]

    Wikipedia:

    From 1972 through 1980, the team nickname was officially “Oakland A’s,” although, during that time, the Commissioner’s Trophy, given out annually to the winner of baseball’s world series, still listed the team’s name as the “Oakland Athletics” on the gold-plated pennant representing the Oakland franchise

  • Neil | September 20, 2007 at 3:45 pm |

    Oh yeah, team name changes:

    Alberta Oilers -> Edmonton Oilers

  • Adam | September 20, 2007 at 3:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”145203″]
    And if the White Sox decide to go the throwback route again, here’s my choice.

    http://exhibits.base...

    It’s a shame the White Sox were so horrible from the 20s to 40s, because there are some interesting uniforms I doubt we’ll ever see again, since all the White sox throwbacks I can think of (not counting road games) were from winning years (1906, 1917, 1917 World Series, 1959, 1983).

  • My name is not Earl | September 20, 2007 at 3:50 pm |

    Speaking of name changes . . . we had Hofstra changing from the Flying Dutchmen to the Pride.

    –>Louisiana-Monroe changed from Indians to Warhawks

    –>SE Missouri went from Indians to Redhwaks

    –>UT-Chattanooga went from Moccasins to just Mocs, and its mascot is now a mock (yeah) ing (yeah) bird (yeah) . . . Mockingbird

    –> Dartmouth went from Indians to Big Green in ’68, and they have the greatest mascot of all time, Keggy the Keg

  • Matthew S. | September 20, 2007 at 3:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”145215″][quote comment=”145160″]For some reason, I thought a few years ago North Texas State changed their name to the “Mean Green”. Am I wrong?[/quote]

    They go by both “Mean Green” and “Eagles”. Mean Green is used more, but Eagles is still prevalent. They also changed from North Texas State to University of North Texas in the early 90s.[/quote]

    My understanding is that ‘Eagles’ is still the official nickname, while ‘Mean Green’ is an unofficial nickname which the team adopted to honor the best player to come from the football program, Mean Joe Greene: http://en.wikipedia....

    Here is their mascot: http://www.psci.unt....

    At the SMU-UNT game two weeks ago, SMU’s stadium announcer kept switching back and forth between ‘Eagles’ and ‘Mean Green’.

  • Chris | September 20, 2007 at 3:54 pm |

    Are the Phillies eliminating their Interleague caps. If so, that sucks. I liked them even though I am a Marlins fan.
    Thanks Chris

  • Matthew S. | September 20, 2007 at 3:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”145243″][quote comment=”145215″][quote comment=”145160″]For some reason, I thought a few years ago North Texas State changed their name to the “Mean Green”. Am I wrong?[/quote]

    They go by both “Mean Green” and “Eagles”. Mean Green is used more, but Eagles is still prevalent. They also changed from North Texas State to University of North Texas in the early 90s.[/quote]

    My understanding is that ‘Eagles’ is still the official nickname, while ‘Mean Green’ is an unofficial nickname which the team adopted to honor the best player to come from the football program, Mean Joe Greene: http://en.wikipedia....

    Here is their mascot: http://www.psci.unt....

    At the SMU-UNT game two weeks ago, SMU’s stadium announcer kept switching back and forth between ‘Eagles’ and ‘Mean Green’.[/quote]

    And just found this on Deadspin about UNT: http://deadspin.com/...

  • UW justin | September 20, 2007 at 3:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”145197″][quote comment=”145180″][quote comment=”145145″][quote comment=”145135″]
    Hmm. We’ll need more than that, I think. Did Murphy provide a source for the assertion?[/quote]
    She did – Sporting Life, December 28, 1907[/quote]
    Interesting. I’d love to see that.

    The first reference to the New York team as “Yankees” I can find was in 1906, in the New York Times – April 15, 1906.[/quote]
    No, this isn’t refering to the NY ball club as the Yankees,. but Boston, the Red Sox, the team whos fans despise the New York Yankees. If you think about it, it’s like the Pakcers being known as the Bears early on in their club’s history.[/quote]

    Read that again. “15,000 SEE YANKEES TAKE FIRST GAME; Bunched Hits Beat Boston”. Yankees take first game. And bunched hits beat Boston. So Yankees win, Boston loses. How again do you make the arguement that the article is calling Boston the Yankees?

  • Joe Drennan | September 20, 2007 at 3:59 pm |

    In post 207 I gave the exact passage from the book. In later post I gave the source Murphy used for that information. I don’t have the particular copy of Sporting Life that she got it from, but her meticulous bibliography makes me believe it’s a factual nugget.

  • Philly Bill | September 20, 2007 at 4:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”145243″][quote comment=”145215″][quote comment=”145160″]For some reason, I thought a few years ago North Texas State changed their name to the “Mean Green”. Am I wrong?[/quote]

    They go by both “Mean Green” and “Eagles”. Mean Green is used more, but Eagles is still prevalent. They also changed from North Texas State to University of North Texas in the early 90s.[/quote]

    My understanding is that ‘Eagles’ is still the official nickname, while ‘Mean Green’ is an unofficial nickname which the team adopted to honor the best player to come from the football program, Mean Joe Greene: http://en.wikipedia....

    Here is their mascot: http://www.psci.unt....

    At the SMU-UNT game two weeks ago, SMU’s stadium announcer kept switching back and forth between ‘Eagles’ and ‘Mean Green’.[/quote]

    I wouldn’t discount the fact that no one wants to be called the Eagles in north Texas, given the Cowboys fanaticism.

    As for all you bellyachin’ Mets fans, SAVE IT. Your team still has a 94.5% chance of making the postseason, no matter how lost they look right now. The Phillies haven’t made the playoffs in the entire wild card era. The Braves were in the Western Division the last time the Phillies made the playoffs. And — most importantly — theyre not gonna make it this year either! (Current odds: 29.4%.)

  • Eric | September 20, 2007 at 4:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”145157″]More NCAA teams that have changed: Louisiana-Lafayette (formerly Southwestern Louisiana) was once the Bulldogs until becoming the Ragin’ Cajuns in the 1960s. And then ther’s the whole fiasco involving the Rainbows and Warriors at Hawai’i[/quote]

    Univeristy of Hawaii mens teams were always the Rainbow Warriors, the womens teams were the Rainbow Wahine (wa-hee-nay) (Wahine= female in Hawaiian).

    This was almost always shortened to Rainbows (or ‘Bows), and the men’s programs didn’t like the look or sound of it. In fact their old helemet logo looked like it was pulled off of a CareBear’s stomach. Women’s teams are still reffered to as the “Wahine” I believe.

    UH also was an early adopter of the recent phenomenon of darkening your main color, going from a Kelly Green to the near black Green they sport now.

  • Mike | September 20, 2007 at 4:07 pm |

    Nice little blurb on the Page 2 Baseball Pity article Paul.

    Although you were kinda fighting a lost cause…you can’t really argue the Mets’ suffering when going against the likes of the Pirates or Mariners.

  • tim b | September 20, 2007 at 4:15 pm |

    Only thing I dont like about the Indians’ proposed ALT is how generic the C is on the cap. And I hope the renderings are just deceiving and the brim of the cap isn’t black.

    Although it is similar to designs of late 50s, early 60s and early 70s, I am wondering if the Civil Rights Game uni’s this year had anything to do with it too?

  • Perry | September 20, 2007 at 4:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”145202″][quote comment=”145197″][quote comment=”145180″][quote comment=”145145″][quote comment=”145135″]
    Hmm. We’ll need more than that, I think. Did Murphy provide a source for the assertion?[/quote]
    She did – Sporting Life, December 28, 1907[/quote]
    Interesting. I’d love to see that.

    The first reference to the New York team as “Yankees” I can find was in 1906, in the New York Times – April 15, 1906.[/quote]
    No, this isn’t refering to the NY ball club as the Yankees,. but Boston, the Red Sox, the team whos fans despise the New York Yankees. If you think about it, it’s like the Pakcers being known as the Bears early on in their club’s history.[/quote]
    I gues you coulld speculate that Murphy could be wrong, but she has an extensive bibliogrpahy citing many sources of her information making me think this nugget is true.[/quote]

    I suspect the reference to Sporting Life is only for the Taylor quote, not for the bit about the Red Sox once being known as the Yankees.

  • Ed | September 20, 2007 at 4:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”145236″]Nice Canadian $5 bill you got there.

    Oh well, ours is worth more now anyway.[/quote]

    Not so fast…as of today, the two are trading basically even. (Yeah, my jaw dropped, too.)

    http://money.cnn.com...

    ed

  • Matthew S. | September 20, 2007 at 4:28 pm |

    Was just looking through an SI photo gallery and saw this picture of Curtis Granderson wearing what appears to be the Flanders Poppy on his suit jacket.

    The Flanders Poppy is the British, Canadian, Australian, and New Zealander version of the yellow ribbon in this country and is worn by politicians and people of those countries in remembrance of their fallen soldiers. The origin is from World War I when many Allied soldiers died in the fields of Flanders: http://www.army.gov....

    Another explanation: http://en.wikipedia....

    My question is why Granderson is wearing this. Was it a league wide promotion? Was he overseas during the offseason? What gives?

    Regardless of the reason, it’s pretty cool.

  • Aaron Scholder | September 20, 2007 at 4:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”144985″][quote comment=”144965″]Hmmm….There must be something wrong with that link about the MLB 2008 changes….I got most of it, but the part about the Mets eliminating the black from their unis is missing….I mean, the Mets ARE eliminating the black from their unis, aren’t they???? Please….[/quote]

    At this point as long as they eliminate Guillermo Mota’s and Scott Schoeneweis’s uni’s I’ll be fine.

    Also, updated flickr page with Rays new unis and all of the alts we have been talking about (Royals, Phillies, Blue Jays, Indians, and Shea Stadium Patch)[/quote]
    I love that Shea patch… No names on Cleveland’s new uniforms?

  • Matthew S. | September 20, 2007 at 4:31 pm |

    And I forgot the picture of Granderson: http://sportsillustr...

  • Tricia | September 20, 2007 at 4:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”145225″][quote comment=”144970″]Back to the discussion a few days ago about NHL pants, and whether players would be required to wear Reebok’s pant systems if they were aligned with another manufacturer….

    Here’s a photo of Steve Staios, and you can pretty clearly see the Oilers shell from whatever manufacturer he chose, over what is likely the Reebok system pants / girdle. Most pants you buy off the shelf have the shell integrated into the pants.

    Staios Pic[/quote]

    Shocked that no one has pointed out the blatantly mismatched pants and jerseys/socks the Leafs are wearing. Hopefully that will be fixed by the regular season.[/quote]

    Yeah, the colours are pretty far off, now that I look at it. I didn’t think they had made too much of a colour shift, maybe its just with the different fabrics. Those pants Williams has on look like a very dull shade of blue, so they might be last years as well.

  • Perry | September 20, 2007 at 4:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”145251″][quote comment=”145197″][quote comment=”145180″][quote comment=”145145″][quote comment=”145135″]
    Hmm. We’ll need more than that, I think. Did Murphy provide a source for the assertion?[/quote]
    She did – Sporting Life, December 28, 1907[/quote]
    Interesting. I’d love to see that.

    The first reference to the New York team as “Yankees” I can find was in 1906, in the New York Times – April 15, 1906.[/quote]
    No, this isn’t refering to the NY ball club as the Yankees,. but Boston, the Red Sox, the team whos fans despise the New York Yankees. If you think about it, it’s like the Pakcers being known as the Bears early on in their club’s history.[/quote]

    Read that again. “15,000 SEE YANKEES TAKE FIRST GAME; Bunched Hits Beat Boston”. Yankees take first game. And bunched hits beat Boston. So Yankees win, Boston loses. How again do you make the arguement that the article is calling Boston the Yankees?[/quote]

    What’s in question is Murphy’s assertion in Crazy ’08 that the Boston AL team was once known, among other names, as the Yankees.

  • stan aka the took | September 20, 2007 at 4:45 pm |

    rays uniform… boring, REALLY boring. i understand the ray part of the jersey (you know sunburst=ray) but do we really need the 80’s farm team look to the jersey? yeahhh… i dont understand why they had get rid of the green and grey one.

  • 5w50 | September 20, 2007 at 4:47 pm |

    “Speaking of typography, a new documentary film about the typeface Helvetica (called, of course, Helvetica) is currently screening here in New York. I saw it two nights ago and loved it. No team I can think of has ever used Helvetica on its uniforms, which helps explain why the movie has no sports-related content, but there are several good interludes with graphic designer Michael Beirut, who I know has done some work for the Jets, plus plenty of detail-driven bits that should appeal to anyone who Gets It™. Recommended viewing.”
    Think the late Namath, early Riggins era Jets used Helvetica or one its variants in the name plate on the back of the uniform, and I think there were screen printed. You can see it in a lot of NFL Films material from approx. 1972-1975 .. unis probably came from Champion.

  • Aaron Scholder | September 20, 2007 at 4:48 pm |

    This is awesome: http://cgi.ebay.com/...

  • Neil | September 20, 2007 at 4:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”145272″]Was just looking through an SI photo gallery and saw this picture of Curtis Granderson wearing what appears to be the Flanders Poppy on his suit jacket.

    The Flanders Poppy is the British, Canadian, Australian, and New Zealander version of the yellow ribbon in this country and is worn by politicians and people of those countries in remembrance of their fallen soldiers. The origin is from World War I when many Allied soldiers died in the fields of Flanders: http://www.army.gov....

    Another explanation: http://en.wikipedia....

    My question is why Granderson is wearing this. Was it a league wide promotion? Was he overseas during the offseason? What gives?

    Regardless of the reason, it’s pretty cool.[/quote]

    That poppy has actually been the basis for a jersey; the Hamilton Bulldogs wore a Remembrance Day jersey in 2003-04. Ron & Don promoted them on HNIC one night (link goes to video):

    http://www.hamiltonb...

  • UW justin | September 20, 2007 at 5:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”145278″][quote comment=”145251″][quote comment=”145197″][quote comment=”145180″][quote comment=”145145″][quote comment=”145135″]
    Hmm. We’ll need more than that, I think. Did Murphy provide a source for the assertion?[/quote]
    She did – Sporting Life, December 28, 1907[/quote]
    Interesting. I’d love to see that.

    The first reference to the New York team as “Yankees” I can find was in 1906, in the New York Times – April 15, 1906.[/quote]
    No, this isn’t refering to the NY ball club as the Yankees,. but Boston, the Red Sox, the team whos fans despise the New York Yankees. If you think about it, it’s like the Pakcers being known as the Bears early on in their club’s history.[/quote]

    Read that again. “15,000 SEE YANKEES TAKE FIRST GAME; Bunched Hits Beat Boston”. Yankees take first game. And bunched hits beat Boston. So Yankees win, Boston loses. How again do you make the arguement that the article is calling Boston the Yankees?[/quote]

    What’s in question is Murphy’s assertion in Crazy ’08 that the Boston AL team was once known, among other names, as the Yankees.[/quote]

    I understand what started this discussion, however, the quote “No, this isn’t refering to the NY ball club as the Yankees,. but Boston” is talking about the article that was linked. My point is that I don’t understand how you could get that from the headline…

  • Aaron Scholder | September 20, 2007 at 5:05 pm |

    Here’s a Gold Dallas Stars jersey for sale (the one that was never worn): http://cgi.ebay.com/...

  • Christopher | September 20, 2007 at 5:10 pm |

    Actually, minus the goofy white and yellow side things, I’d like the Rays batting practice uni as an away jersey (with the white, not grey).

    Also, since their 2nd color is yellow, how long until a “third alternate, Friday only” jersey that’s all yellow?

    Ewwwwwwwwww!

  • Marty Met | September 20, 2007 at 5:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”145295″]Here’s a Gold Dallas Stars jersey for sale (the one that was never worn): http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    Norm Green STILL sucks!

  • Bluesfan | September 20, 2007 at 5:26 pm |

    For everyone who answered my North Texas “Mean Green” question…Thanks.

    Gold Dallas Stars Uniform – The only saving grace for the ugly gold and green sweater is their new green jerseys suck even more.

    Cleveland – I like the throwbacks, but I also prefer Chief Wahoo cap insignia over the “C”

  • Graf Zeppelin | September 20, 2007 at 5:32 pm |

    Rays design is fine, though they really didn’t need to change the colors. Not enough green in MLB, aside from the grass. And the seats. And the $$$.

    Speaking of which, isn’t it ironic that the Rays have incorporated the sun (get it? rays?) into their logo, when they play in the darkest, dankest, dingiest indoor stadium this side of the late, unlamented Kingdome?

  • Ryan | September 20, 2007 at 5:41 pm |

    300 comments! wow

  • S Bennett | September 20, 2007 at 5:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”145144″][quote comment=”144977″]
    I just got my first head baseball coaching job at a school…only to find the colors are gold and PURPLE. I have to design uniforms now…What do I do? I’d love some feedback. Thanks[/quote]

    Easy. Ditch the gold!

    SB

  • Pedro | September 20, 2007 at 5:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”144897″][quote comment=”144882″][quote comment=”144875″]Rays uniforms are more boring than ugly.[/quote]

    Which is exactly what I said yesterday. Such a snooze! Hard to believe that’s really the best (or worst, or most distinctive) anyone could come up with.[/quote]

    But we must remember….

    No one on this blog likes any uniform design…period.

    All it is is a bitchfest.[/quote]

    True that…I’m gonna break the monotany here: I like them, they’re just OK uniforms. Not too good and not too bad. Atleast they went the conservative route, I can only imagine the bitchfest in here if they had gone with something extreme. I am still a uniwatcher though so here goes: WHY CHANGE SOMETHING THAT ISNT BROKEN!!!!. If the word DEVIL was the problem then they should have removed it and left everything else alone.

  • Bluesfan | September 20, 2007 at 5:57 pm |

    If the word DEVIL was the problem then they should have removed it and left everything else alone

    It seems to me they have basically already taken the word “Devil” out. I mean their current home jersey’s just say “Rays” on them.

    I am with most, they are not bad…just unispiring. The logo is a takeoff of the Padres (as someone has already mentioned). I think they should have gone for a complete rework and changed the name.

  • Dave W | September 20, 2007 at 5:57 pm |

    I dig the Indians alternate/throwback; but then I realized that with next year being the 50th anniversary of the Tribe’s last World Series title back in 1948, wouldn’t it have made more sense to wear a replica of that uniform?

    I don’t have any pictures (and Dressed to the Nines seems to have vanished), but I referred to my handy 2007 Tribe Media Guide and see that uniform had a different script and a wishbone “C” cap logo – this one seems sort of generic.

    The downside is that the ’48 jersey featured an even more grotesque Chief Wahoo. I love my Tribe, but I’ll be really happy the day that logo goes for good.

  • Chuck Ryals | September 20, 2007 at 6:13 pm |

    those Indians alternate jerseys look SWEET! No piping, no silver, awesome!

  • Taylor | September 20, 2007 at 7:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”144990″]Here’s what I don’t get.
    Everyone loves the Yankees, Dodgers, Tigers, Red Sox, Giants unis. All of these unis are extremely plain but we call them classic. The Rays put out something with no stupid embellishments and they get bashed. I think they should have stuck with the dark green but isn’t what they did better than a baseball equivalent of the Islanders Jersey?[/quote]

    Exactly. It’s like anything that is new (excluding the new Bruins jerseys) gets basked on here. I think the new Rays jerseys are nice. Sure, they’re plain, but I’d rather wear plain like the Rays than fancy like Oregon State or the Blue Jays.

  • redemske | September 20, 2007 at 7:16 pm |

    On powder blues …

    There’s a reason they went away to begin with: they’re lame. These won’t be the high-stirruped, tailored powder blues. They’ll be pajamas, and therefore very lame.

    I don’t understand the excitement over 70s/80s throwbacks at all. Those were dark times. Pullovers? Elastic waistbands? Yuck.

  • TOG | September 20, 2007 at 7:32 pm |

    The A’s black jersey is ridicuous. Green and Gold… Not black and hunter green please?

    This is what the A’s identity should take their inspiration from:

    http://www.sportsart...

    Charlie O. Finley Baby!!!

  • Randy Miller | September 20, 2007 at 7:49 pm |

    More Mean Green:

    In the ’70s, North Texas State made its push toward the big time. With Hayden Fry and Bill Blakeley as its football and basketball coaches, the teams became respectable quickly — if not national powers, they were at least solid non-pushovers.

    At that time, the athletic department decided to emphasize the Mean Green nickname by putting its teams into “Mean Green,” an oh-so-’70s shade that was somewhat like:

    (a) a slick apple green
    (b) a lightish olive
    (c) (as its rivals sneered) baby vomit green

    I don’t have any photos available but perhaps some enterprising North Texan can dig some up. The uniforms were ugly and the athletic department soon enough ran out of money and Hayden Fry.

    But at least they didn’t wear TCU lavender.

  • John | September 20, 2007 at 7:54 pm |

    Paul,
    Huge comment day. What’s our current record? My thoughts on the Rays:
    -I LOVE new color scheme!
    -I really like the logos
    -and an easy fix to the boringness of the jersey would either be to extend the tail on the “R” to look more like a rays tail or use that TB mark as a chest logo which would look really cool as on a navy blue alt.

  • Mike Engle | September 20, 2007 at 8:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”145203″]As a rule, the NBA doesn’t allow name changes for any reason, which is why we have the completely illogical Los Angeles Lakers and Utah Jazz. An exception was made in DC because at the time, DChad the highest murder rate in the country and the irony of the local team being called,”Bullets” in that context was a little too bitter. My only beef is in light of this unprecedented exception , they come up with, “Wizards”?[/quote]
    The name “Wizards” was chosen as a cross-promotion with the WNBA Mystics. This is why the Wizards and Mystics (and until recently the Capitals) had that ugly blue/bronze/black color scheme in common.

  • sj32 | September 20, 2007 at 8:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”145053″]The A’s green alts are gone next year in favor of a revamp of the black they had a few years back.

    I like the old black better but would have much preferred a return of the ’82 white alts that are the best unis they’ve worn since the move to Oakland.[/quote]

    I agree. I think the 1982 A’s home/white alt is the most underrated uniform in baseball history.

  • Scott Jenkins | September 20, 2007 at 8:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”145023″]It’s been bugging me all morning, but I finally realized what the Rays new logo/font reminds me of: this

    There’s one of these dreadful ‘steakhouses’ in my town and most Midwest towns, I believe.[/quote]

    YES! This is exactly the same thought I had. Disgusting.

  • sj32 | September 20, 2007 at 8:44 pm |

    Going back to the mismatched typography discussion, I think we have missed one of the more obvious examples. In 1972, the Oakland A’s added a front number in the Old Expos font while using block numbers on the back

  • odessasteps | September 20, 2007 at 8:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”145377″][quote comment=”145203″]As a rule, the NBA doesn’t allow name changes for any reason, which is why we have the completely illogical Los Angeles Lakers and Utah Jazz. An exception was made in DC because at the time, DChad the highest murder rate in the country and the irony of the local team being called,”Bullets” in that context was a little too bitter. My only beef is in light of this unprecedented exception , they come up with, “Wizards”?[/quote]
    The name “Wizards” was chosen as a cross-promotion with the WNBA Mystics. This is why the Wizards and Mystics (and until recently the Capitals) had that ugly blue/bronze/black color scheme in common.[/quote]

    IIRC, one of the contributing reasons was Abe Pollin’s friendship with an Israeli Prime Minister who was assassinated.

  • BS | September 20, 2007 at 9:09 pm |

    On the forum about the Rays unis, look at the comment posted by “VoxPVoxD”

    This guy obviously patronizes the streets in St. Pete with shoes hanging on the wires.

    PS: watching the Miami-A&M game and noticed the A&M tight end wearing 85 to support Everret, but his helmet number is still 13

  • BS | September 20, 2007 at 9:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”145371″]Paul,
    Huge comment day. What’s our current record? My thoughts on the Rays:
    -I LOVE new color scheme!
    -I really like the logos
    -and an easy fix to the boringness of the jersey would either be to extend the tail on the “R” to look more like a rays tail or use that TB mark as a chest logo which would look really cool as on a navy blue alt.[/quote]
    I thought so too (comments), but I found an easier way to fix the jerseys.

  • Mike Engle | September 20, 2007 at 9:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”145402″][quote comment=”145371″]Paul,
    Huge comment day. What’s our current record? My thoughts on the Rays:
    -I LOVE new color scheme!
    -I really like the logos
    -and an easy fix to the boringness of the jersey would either be to extend the tail on the “R” to look more like a rays tail or use that TB mark as a chest logo which would look really cool as on a navy blue alt.[/quote]
    I thought so too (comments), but I found an easier way to fix the jerseys.[/quote]
    I’d love to throw in a Scott Proctor joke here, but seeing that you uniform junkies would know that he only burned his cap, glove, and undershirts that were HIS and not his uniform which the Yankees own(ed), I’d look like the idiot. So I won’t.

  • BS | September 20, 2007 at 9:32 pm |
  • BS | September 20, 2007 at 9:33 pm |

    !
    Didn’t work first time

  • BS | September 20, 2007 at 9:35 pm |

    sorry if no one got my shoes joke, but if you live anywhere near st. pete, you probably get my drift

  • Mike Engle | September 20, 2007 at 9:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”145411″]!
    Didn’t work first time[/quote]
    Mmmm…stop it! You’re making me thirsty!

  • scott | September 20, 2007 at 9:59 pm |

    Are the Mariners the only team to trot out the BP jersey in a regular season game this year? And now the D-Rays (er, Rays) plan to do that next year? Ugh.

  • Mike Engle | September 20, 2007 at 10:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”145421″]Are the Mariners the only team to trot out the BP jersey in a regular season game this year? And now the D-Rays (er, Rays) plan to do that next year? Ugh.[/quote]
    No. The Rangers and the Mariners wore BP jerseys at the same time this year. It was game 2 of a double-header, and an astute Uni Watcher other than myself conjectured that the teams were not equipped with another set of fresh white and gray tops, so they used what was not dirty from game 1.

  • sj32 | September 20, 2007 at 10:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”145421″]Are the Mariners the only team to trot out the BP jersey in a regular season game this year? And now the D-Rays (er, Rays) plan to do that next year? Ugh.[/quote]

    I believe the Rangers wore them in a game against the Mariners (it might have been the back end of a doubleheader), but I’m going completely from memory on that.

  • Monte | September 20, 2007 at 10:13 pm |

    I apologize for reposting this.

    The reason I am is because what I said in jest is actually 1000% better than the drab Yankee color scheme and TB (NYish) logo rip off.

    How dull.

    Anyway, read this and tell me that this crackpot idea wouldn’t have been better-

    They are changing their name to the Tampa Bay Rays as of next season.

    They are also changing their colors.

    Originally they had that ultra-bizarro rainbow lettering.

    Then they switched to the current green/black/grey ensemble. Watching the D-Rays on tv was like watching an old black and white set.

    Their new colors will be navy, yellow, and light blue.

    I think they dropped the ball.

    They should have come up with either a fierce looking sting ray or ditched the Rays thing altogether.

    Start fresh.

    The Devil Rays are synonymous with sucking.

    (Only in the south. They actually had been under pressure to drop the ‘Devil’ part of their name for years)

    They could have been the Tampa Tiger-Sharks (Tampa T-Sharks)

    Tampa Sting or Stingers

    Tampa Bay Sunshine (they could have had a happy face as a primary logo)

    Tampa Bay Nippon Ham Fighters

    Tampa Bay Rattlers or Racers after snakes from the region

    Tampa Cranks (after all the old people in Florida)

    Tampa Explos (after the early explorers of Florida)

    Or some other names.

    Devil Rays or Rays still equals loser to me.

    Maybe they could be the Tampa Yankees after the minor league team that was there.
    Or the Jr. Yankees.

    They could buy into that whole redneck thing and be the Tampa Bay Rebels or TB Confederates.

    Play up the whole Yankee hate thing down there.

    Don’t know how minority players would dig it, but the free publicity would be out of sight.

    How could anyone who roots for the Redskins (OMG how bad is that name by today’s standards), Braves, Indians, Twins, etc honestly protest the Rebels or Confederates?

    Merchandise would fly off the shelves.

    I would even take the job (at a huge salary) of presenting the new name and colors to the public.

    Rebel flags everywhere.
    Mascot who is a big cute Confederate soldier.
    Dixie would be played in the 7th inning.

    Make the players wear Confederate Army caps as a ‘throwback’ day.

    I would be the point man on this.

    Being highly paid because I knew the job would last 6-18 months before the pressure would be so hiogh they’d can me (blame me) and then they could rechristen themselves some bland vanilla name.

    They would cash in on both selling the Rebel merchandise to rednecks and then the new name after they drop the Rebel theme.

    Of course you know how the relief pitcher would enter the game?

    In the General Lee.

    ***************
    Have a good night

  • Nolan | September 20, 2007 at 10:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”145421″]Are the Mariners the only team to trot out the BP jersey in a regular season game this year? And now the D-Rays (er, Rays) plan to do that next year? Ugh.[/quote]

    The Rangers did it too.

    It was mentioned much much further up today that picture is mislabeled that is just their BP jersey and hat

  • Original Jim | September 20, 2007 at 10:49 pm |

    …and I forgot one other example of Helvetica. The Buffalo Bills of the 90’s also used Helvetica Black for their nameplates. At least, many players had that font for the nameplates. Some players used a standard block font, others used a compressed font.

    Very inconsistent.

    Of course, most Champion replica football jerseys of the late 90’s and early 00’s used Helvetica Bold Condensed for the nameplate lettering, regardless of the team.

  • Pantherfid | September 20, 2007 at 10:51 pm |

    As a fan of the Tampa Bay Rays (I REALLY hope the front office does not push for something stupid like “Go Bay Rays!”, but you know they will), all I have to say about their new look is simple…

    I will not be buying any new merchandise when it comes out. My “old” stuff looks better, and now it is even cooler because it is a “throwback.” And I also have a uber-cool St. Pete uni designed by Scott X.M. Turner…so I’m good.

    Oh…by the way…I didn’t notice if anyone mentioned the Cards…they started off as the Phoenix Cardnials, then changed to Arizona.

  • Patrick | September 20, 2007 at 10:56 pm |

    Re: Colleges changing team names to something more PC-friendly

    Eastern Michigan used to be the Hurons, now they are the Eagles. BORING! I was hoping they would change to the Fighting Emus seeing as the school colors (green and white) are also the color of emu eggs.

  • Broker75 | September 20, 2007 at 11:25 pm |

    The Washington Wizards used to be the Washington Bullets. Any other teams leagues changing names that didn’t leave the city that they were playing for? [quote comment=”145238″]Oh yeah, team name changes:

    Alberta Oilers -> Edmonton Oilers[/quote]
    can’t seem to find a pic of the Alberta Oilers anybody got one?
    By the way, anbody in Calgary reading this right now look out lol

  • RefUni | September 20, 2007 at 11:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”145460″]The Washington Wizards used to be the Washington Bullets. Any other teams leagues changing names that didn’t leave the city that they were playing for? [quote comment=”145238″]Oh yeah, team name changes:

    Alberta Oilers -> Edmonton Oilers[/quote]
    can’t seem to find a pic of the Alberta Oilers anybody got one?
    By the way, anbody in Calgary reading this right now look out lol[/quote]

    They were the Alberta Oilers in the WHA….they were the Edmonton Oilers by the time they entered the NHL

  • Michael Emody | September 20, 2007 at 11:54 pm |

    How could anyone who roots for the Redskins (OMG how bad is that name by today’s standards), Braves, Indians, Twins, etc honestly protest the Rebels or Confederates?

    Could someone explain what is offensive about “Twins?” Lighten up. It’s not like they’re the “Siamese Twins” or their logo is a set of hooters.

  • badly drawn boykins | September 21, 2007 at 12:07 am |

    Apologies if this has been mentioned already, but the season premier of Friday Night Lights is online, and the Dillon Panthers are wearing Under Armour jerseys this year.

    If I’m not mistaken, they started the season unbranded, and added some UA gear after the after the pilot was picked up, but the jerseys were still unmarked. The UA logo figures prominently this season, it looks like.

  • =bg= | September 21, 2007 at 12:09 am |

    [quote comment=”145203″]As a rule, the NBA doesn’t allow name changes for any reason, which is why we have the completely illogical Los Angeles Lakers and Utah Jazz. An exception was made in DC because at the time, DChad the highest murder rate in the country and the irony of the local team being called,”Bullets” in that context was a little too bitter. My only beef is in light of this unprecedented exception , they come up with, “Wizards”?

    And if the White Sox decide to go the throwback route again, here’s my choice.

    http://exhibits.base...

    Is that right! I know how they got the Lakers name from Minneapolis and all that, but the alliteration seemed to fit. LAL. But I have always thought Utah JAZZ was so wrong. Like if the Dallas Cowboys moved to Seattle and became the Seattle Cowboys. They should allow a name shift if the name is tied to a geographic person-place-thing.

  • =bg= | September 21, 2007 at 12:15 am |

    PS-
    Is it a matter of time before the MLB and the NBA logo’s get a remake?

  • Matt D. | September 21, 2007 at 12:20 am |

    OMG it’s Notre Dame is playing the Patriots on ESPN2! Oh wait it’s just high school football with stolen uniforms and logos. Strange how even Notre Dame high school is getting shutout as well.

  • badly drawn boykins | September 21, 2007 at 1:08 am |

    [quote comment=”145476″]Apologies if this has been mentioned already, but the season premier of Friday Night Lights is online, and the Dillon Panthers are wearing Under Armour jerseys this year.

    If I’m not mistaken, they started the season unbranded, and added some UA gear after the after the pilot was picked up, but the jerseys were still unmarked. The UA logo figures prominently this season, it looks like.[/quote]I meant to add that their game day gear appears relatively logo free, but their practice jerseys and coaching apparel definitely have more UA logos than last year.

  • Michael Churchill | September 21, 2007 at 4:42 am |

    [quote comment=”145272″]Was just looking through an SI photo gallery and saw this picture of Curtis Granderson wearing what appears to be the Flanders Poppy on his suit jacket.

    The Flanders Poppy is the British, Canadian, Australian, and New Zealander version of the yellow ribbon in this country and is worn by politicians and people of those countries in remembrance of their fallen soldiers. The origin is from World War I when many Allied soldiers died in the fields of Flanders: http://www.army.gov....

    Another explanation: http://en.wikipedia....

    My question is why Granderson is wearing this. Was it a league wide promotion? Was he overseas during the offseason? What gives?

    Regardless of the reason, it’s pretty cool.[/quote]

    Curtis did do a promotional tour of Europe in the offseason, and a quick google reveals that he was in London around the time of Remembrance Day (11 November), so I presume the photo was taken then.

    By the way, following his visit, Curtis has been adopted by five, the TV channel that covers MLB in the UK. They’ve had him on the phone a few times and they have an “Ask Curtus” feature where viewers can e-mail in questions.

  • Johnny Garfield | September 21, 2007 at 8:11 am |

    One more use of Helvetica in sports: The Seattle Supersonics used it on their logomark and player names from 1975?-95.

  • Monte | September 21, 2007 at 8:15 am |

    Could someone explain what is offensive about “Twins?” Lighten up. It’s not like they’re the “Siamese Twins” or their logo is a set of hooters.

    ****************************
    I was kidding with the Twins :)

    Although I would definitely like to see the mascot of the Minnesota Siamese Twins.

    The Hurons should have just said they were honoring the Great Lake and all who enjoy it or make a living off it or some other nonsense.

    Used some sort of wave logo or something.

  • Chance | September 21, 2007 at 10:33 am |

    [quote comment=”145278″][quote comment=”145251″][quote comment=”145197″][quote comment=”145180″][quote comment=”145145″][quote comment=”145135″]
    Hmm. We’ll need more than that, I think. Did Murphy provide a source for the assertion?[/quote]
    She did – Sporting Life, December 28, 1907[/quote]
    Interesting. I’d love to see that.

    The first reference to the New York team as “Yankees” I can find was in 1906, in the New York Times – April 15, 1906.[/quote]
    No, this isn’t refering to the NY ball club as the Yankees,. but Boston, the Red Sox, the team whos fans despise the New York Yankees. If you think about it, it’s like the Pakcers being known as the Bears early on in their club’s history.[/quote]

    Read that again. “15,000 SEE YANKEES TAKE FIRST GAME; Bunched Hits Beat Boston”. Yankees take first game. And bunched hits beat Boston. So Yankees win, Boston loses. How again do you make the arguement that the article is calling Boston the Yankees?[/quote]

    What’s in question is Murphy’s assertion in Crazy ’08 that the Boston AL team was once known, among other names, as the Yankees.[/quote]

    And given that it has now been established that the Yankees had been called by that name in the press for at least three years before the quote she cited, I tend to think that she made a mistake.

    We’ll need to see her source before giving her credit for such a dramatic discovery.

  • jexcel89 | September 21, 2007 at 4:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”145203″]

    And if the White Sox decide to go the throwback route again, here’s my choice.

    http://exhibits.base...

    I own two of those three White Sox jerseys from Mitchell and Ness, they are indeed among my favorites.

    Although not very unique, I’ve begged M&N to make the road version from 1932. but so far – no luck.

  • Jayemay | September 22, 2007 at 12:34 am |

    The Green Dots are used to indicate which helmets are equipped with the sideline-radio receiver. (Hence the reason why quarterbacks always have them) The idea is to allow officials to ensure that there is only one such equipped helmet on the field at a time.