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In Which Optimus Prime Suits Up for the Giants

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The science fiction-ization of NFL headwear continues. Yesterday it was LaDainian Tomlinson’s facemask; today it’s the gonzo helmet design worn by Brandon Jacobs, Amani Toomer, and several other Giants players during their game against the Jets on Saturday night.

I confess that I totally missed the boat on this one until yesterday afternoon, when ESPN.com photo czar Sean Hintz (the man who deserves the lion’s share of the credit for my Bill Buckner scoop last year) asked me about it. Apparently ESPN.com designer Matthew Walker had mentioned the helmets to Sean, and Sean in turn went and found the two photos I linked to above, which pretty much blew my mind. I mean, I’ve been saying for years that uniform design is showing more and more of a comic book superhero influence, and this is probably the best (or, if you prefer, worst) example yet of that trend.

Fortunately, Giants equipment manager Joe Skiba is a longtime friend of Uni Watch, so I e-mailed him and quickly got a reply. “That’s the Schutt Ion,” he wrote. “It’s a brand-new helmet that’s the next evolution of the DNA.” When I asked if any other Jints players were wearing it besides Jacobs and Toomer, he provided the following list: Shaun O’Hara, Grey Ruegamer, Guy Whimper, Jay Alford, Marcus Bell, and David Diehl.

You can see Diehl wearing the Ion here, in a photo from the Giants’ previous game against the Ravens. The weird thing is that Jacobs is also in that photo, and he’s not wearing the Ion there. Once I started looking at more photos, I found that Jacobs didn’t even wear the Ion for the entire Jets game — you can see him wearing a conventional helmet here and here. More intriguingly, I found no mention of the Ion on the Schutt web site.

So is the Ion (which, incidentally, appears to have a rather innovative facemask mounting system) just a developmental prototype? Are the players just trying it out for a few plays here and there? “Brandon was giving it a test drive,” said Skiba. “It’s in the testing phase, but it’s NOCSAE-approved for field use. We will wear it in the regular season.” So get set to see plenty more of the weirdest-looking helmet to appear on an NFL gridiron since the days of Willie Lanier.

Uni Watch News Ticker: Does anyone have a photo of the new Rutgers jerseys? I linked to a wire service photo a few weeks ago but now it’s gone blank. … Yesterday I asked about this photo, which brought the following response from Ray McCormick: “As I recall, the only instance of NHL teams having corporate sponsorship on their practice jerseys in the 1980s was that Molson Breweries had their name or logo on practice jerseys of all the Canadian-based teams. The only exception was the Quebec Nordiques, who were owned by then-rival brewery Carling-O’Keefe. I remember seeing these jerseys on nightly sportscasts, where footage of various Canadian teams practicing was shown on a regular basis. The pic of the Lemielin card is precisely what I recall seeing back in those days.” … “The USA Eagles, the US national rugby team, unveiled their World Cup uniforms [that’s them on the left] on Sunday,” reports Eric Bangeman. “Made by Kooga, they’re actually a lot nicer than any of the other RWC uniforms seen so far. Here’s last year’s version for comparison.” … Think I harp too much on the encroachment of advertising? Look here. … Mike Brodsky, winner of last week’s Helmet Hut raffle, reports that he chose this as his prize. Congrats again. … Oh dear. … Detroit Free Press readers (now there’s a dwindling species) have chosen the Red Wings uni as their favorite local uniform. … Major thrill last night, as I got an e-mail out of the blue from one of the most storied of all NFL equipment managers, Frank Pupello (inventor of the Pupello pouch, don’tcha know). In-depth interview to follow soon-ishly.

 

236 comments to In Which Optimus Prime Suits Up for the Giants

  • Pete | August 28, 2007 at 8:12 am |

    So, the question is: did Jacobs wear the Ion first and then switch back to his regular helmet because he was not impressed? Or did he make the switch midway through the game and stick with the new design?

  • Dane | August 28, 2007 at 8:30 am |

    Canucks sweater unveiling is scheduled for Wednesday at 12:30 PDT.

  • Johnny O | August 28, 2007 at 8:31 am |

    Another pic of Wisconsin’s “one and done”. And yes, the drop shadow does go to the left.

    one and done

  • Robert | August 28, 2007 at 8:38 am |

    [quote comment=”137343″]Another pic of Wisconsin’s “one and done”. And yes, the drop shadow does go to the left.

    one and done[/quote]

    Your link asks for an i.d. and password.

  • Johnny O | August 28, 2007 at 8:40 am |
  • Johnny O | August 28, 2007 at 8:48 am |

    [quote comment=”137344″][quote comment=”137343″]Another pic of Wisconsin’s “one and done”. And yes, the drop shadow does go to the left.

    one and done[/quote]

    Your link asks for an i.d. and password.[/quote]
    My bad. Here is a good link

    one and done…

  • Mark in Shiga | August 28, 2007 at 8:57 am |

    Paul, I can’t find photos of the new RU jerseys anywhere. I went through some of the press releases at scarletknights.com; do you remember the circumstances of the story that included the photo?

    (And it’s quite a challenge to do internet searches for images of Rutgers’ new jerseys when the school itself is in New Jersey. I want the shirts, not the state!)

  • Paddy | August 28, 2007 at 8:57 am |

    I understand and agree on logo creep and the increasingly insane corporate sponsorships, but I am not sure I understand the take on paying people to wrap their cars in advertisements. In the case of logo creep, I find it hard to buy clothing that supprts my chosen team without the makers logo not only on the garment, but many times incorporated into the design, but if I choose to wrap my personal vehicle and get paid for it, what is the problem?

  • My name is not Earl | August 28, 2007 at 9:01 am |

    Looking at the raffle winner’s choice of a Michigan helmet made me think of a question I’ve been having for a while now . . . in looking at footage of the 1974 Michigan-Ohio State game (the game where Michigan “missed” a last-second field goal to secure a 12-10 win for the Buckeyes), Michigan is wearing what appears to be plain white pants with its white road jerseys. I saw a Youtube video about the Michigan-OSU rivalry, and there appears to be footage from a Michigan-Wisconsin game at Madison, and UM seems to be wearing white pants with narrow blue and gold stripes. How prevalent were the white pants? How long has it been since they were worn? And were they plain white or striped?

  • James | August 28, 2007 at 9:05 am |

    Five Worst NBA Uniforms

    By Lang Whitaker, SI.com

    http://sportsillustr...

  • Paul Lukas | August 28, 2007 at 9:06 am |

    [quote comment=”137353″]if I choose to wrap my personal vehicle and get paid for it, what is the problem?[/quote]

    From the perspective of the person who owns the car, no problem at all — assuming you don’t mind turning your car into a billboard (which I would certainly never want to do, but I realize other people may feel differently).

    But from the perspective of everyone else, it’s a further imposition of advertising into public space. Everywhere that car goes, people have to look at a car that is now an ad. It’s another example of how hard it is to find public space that isn’t for sale. Maybe you don’t see that as a problem, but I do.

  • Eric | August 28, 2007 at 9:21 am |

    You can see the USA Eagle’s alternate jersey here.

  • Eric | August 28, 2007 at 9:22 am |

    Paul, we need an edit button for our posts. Now my embarrassing example of apostrophe misuse is preserved for all eternity. Bob the Angry Flower will be disappointed me.

  • Seth H | August 28, 2007 at 9:23 am |

    I attended the US Open last night. The ballboys/ballgirls this year are wearing Polo uniforms with a giant logo on the back of the shirt. The thing runs from nearly shoulder to waist. Don’t know if anyone can find a picture.

  • Robert | August 28, 2007 at 9:24 am |

    [quote comment=”137349″][quote comment=”137344″][quote comment=”137343″]Another pic of Wisconsin’s “one and done”. And yes, the drop shadow does go to the left.

    one and done[/quote]

    Your link asks for an i.d. and password.[/quote]
    My bad. Here is a good link

    one and done…[/quote]

    Aside from the giant “W” on the shoulder, I like those Wisconsin uniforms a lot. Their regular look is too much like Nebraska.

  • B.G. | August 28, 2007 at 9:24 am |

    Congrats Mike on winning the helmet. Sweet choice!

  • Shaftman | August 28, 2007 at 9:24 am |

    Just wanted to thank Paul for the awesome bracelet I received last night. People in my office are sooooo jealous of me now.

    Free plug for…D’artagnan
    Thanks again..

  • CJ | August 28, 2007 at 9:28 am |

    so i freaked out last night because i thought my expensive new long sleeved beckham jersey was fake. the short sleeved one i got from dick’s (that i’m returning) had what seemed to me to be really nice stiching for the yellow wavy lines that come down the sides and stomach area, which flowed nicely into the white section. the one i got yesterday looked like the two pieces (yellow and white) were ironed together, and you could see the outline of the extra yellow fabric through the jersey. this “authentic” one also says “formotion” where the otherone said “climacool” so i figured it had to be a fake. i was very pissed/distraught by this and was about to send a really angry email to the site i bought the jersey on telling them that i want a refund because they mislabled the jersey as “authentic”. but i figured i should first look around, and then, to my surprise, i found this on the adidas website:

    The jersey also features ForMotionâ„¢ technology, engineered to fit an athlete’s body in motion through 3-dimensional design and by flattening the seams to reduce irritation.

    so it IS the real thing, with a flattened inside to reduce rubbing. i thought this was pretty interesting, and upon further inspection of the replica jersey, the formotion technology probably does make for a more comfortable wear.

  • Boston Nick | August 28, 2007 at 9:28 am |

    The worst part about Toomer shifting to a new helmet is going to be the loss of, in my opinion, the coolest facemask in football. It’s simple but different. It’s a cross between the common RB helmet that’s got the three bars in the middle of the mask, but it only has the top bar and the bottom bar, eschewing the other bar which is usually placed parallel and close to the top bar.

    Here’s where I’ll try and link it, but probably not succeed.

  • todd krevanchi | August 28, 2007 at 9:30 am |

    a. do the sides facemasks for the ion helmet insert into the helmet first prior to final mounting? is that what im seeing here?
    (i actually like the look of those facemask configurations)

    b. frank pupello… tampa bay’s EM?

    c. my vote for strangest facemask ever?
    rickey jackson when he wore what looked like the equivalent of a goalies cage.
    http://farm2.static....
    http://farm2.static....
    http://farm2.static....
    http://farm2.static....
    http://farm2.static....

  • Adrian | August 28, 2007 at 9:33 am |

    On Saturday Aug 25, I was watching the Blue Jays-Angels game and during Toronto’s 3-run sixth inning, the camera panned into the dugout to show Vernon Wells wearing what looked like either a broken batting helmet or a helmet that had about 30% of it cut away. Sort of like a “rally helmet.”

    So anyone else see this and if so, does anyone have photo of it?

  • Jason G. | August 28, 2007 at 9:34 am |

    I’m curoius as to what the motivation is behind these new helmet designs. Are they stronger, more compact, etc? Is the current design really inefficient enough to warrant new desings?

    [quote comment=”137370″]Paul, we need an edit button for our posts. Now my embarrassing example of apostrophe misuse is preserved for all eternity. Bob the Angry Flower will be disappointed me.[/quote]

    Does Bob the Angry Flower have a guide to commas? I could use one of those.

  • Johnny O | August 28, 2007 at 9:34 am |

    [quote comment=”137372″][quote comment=”137349″][quote comment=”137344″][quote comment=”137343″]Another pic of Wisconsin’s “one and done”. And yes, the drop shadow does go to the left.

    one and done[/quote]

    Your link asks for an i.d. and password.[/quote]
    My bad. Here is a good link

    one and done…[/quote]

    Aside from the giant “W” on the shoulder, I like those Wisconsin uniforms a lot. Their regular look is too much like Nebraska.[/quote]
    I hate to nit pick, and I don’t even know if I am right on this one, but I believe Wisconsin football started in 1889, and Nebraska football started in 1890. Now, I don’t know who started wearing red on white first, so I guess that is the real debate. Any help on that one?

  • Jim | August 28, 2007 at 9:35 am |

    Attention Uni-Watch readers:

    I have a Hartford Whalers home (white) jersey and would like to get Shanahan put on it for a NYR game I am going to later this year. Problem is I cannot find a picture of the back of Shanahan in his home (white) jersey, only his road (dark) jersey. I would like to get a picture so I can be assured I get the correct font on it. I have looked long and hard, but no luck. Can anyone help me out with a picture of the back of shanahan in a Hartford Whaler home jersey? Anyone? Paul?

    I need help!!

  • Stuby | August 28, 2007 at 9:39 am |

    I personally feel that the Riddell Revolution helmet sported by Peyton Manning and Brady Quinn and many others is far stranger looking than the Willie Lanier ‘Mohawk’ helmet.

  • Shaftman | August 28, 2007 at 9:42 am |

    [quote comment=”137386″]Attention Uni-Watch readers:

    I have a Hartford Whalers home (white) jersey and would like to get Shanahan put on it for a NYR game I am going to later this year. Problem is I cannot find a picture of the back of Shanahan in his home (white) jersey, only his road (dark) jersey. I would like to get a picture so I can be assured I get the correct font on it. I have looked long and hard, but no luck. Can anyone help me out with a picture of the back of shanahan in a Hartford Whaler home jersey? Anyone? Paul?

    I need help!![/quote]

    How about this one?

  • Shaftman | August 28, 2007 at 9:44 am |

    [quote comment=”137389″][quote comment=”137386″]Attention Uni-Watch readers:

    I have a Hartford Whalers home (white) jersey and would like to get Shanahan put on it for a NYR game I am going to later this year. Problem is I cannot find a picture of the back of Shanahan in his home (white) jersey, only his road (dark) jersey. I would like to get a picture so I can be assured I get the correct font on it. I have looked long and hard, but no luck. Can anyone help me out with a picture of the back of shanahan in a Hartford Whaler home jersey? Anyone? Paul?

    I need help!![/quote]

    How about this one?[/quote]

    I’m an idiot…sorry, need to find the white one. Stupid Shaftman.

  • Jim | August 28, 2007 at 9:49 am |

    Lol, thanks Shaftman, but yes I need a white one.

  • Mike Edgerly | August 28, 2007 at 9:49 am |

    [quote comment=”137358″]Five Worst NBA Uniforms

    By Lang Whitaker, SI.com

    http://sportsillustr...
    Here’s a Nets uni the SI guy couldn’t find.

    b. frank pupello… tampa bay’s EM?

    Also, Frank Pupello was Tampa Bay’s Equipment manager until 1998 or so. He started in 1976 with the Bucs’ inception as an assistant, worked his way up, and stayed until the Pewter era. I’m sure Paul will have a good write-up, and I am greatly looking forward to it.

  • MJ | August 28, 2007 at 9:54 am |

    [quote comment=”137384″][quote comment=”137372″][quote comment=”137349″][quote comment=”137344″][quote comment=”137343″]Another pic of Wisconsin’s “one and done”. And yes, the drop shadow does go to the left.

    one and done[/quote]

    Your link asks for an i.d. and password.[/quote]
    My bad. Here is a good link

    one and done…[/quote]

    Aside from the giant “W” on the shoulder, I like those Wisconsin uniforms a lot. Their regular look is too much like Nebraska.[/quote]
    I hate to nit pick, and I don’t even know if I am right on this one, but I believe Wisconsin football started in 1889, and Nebraska football started in 1890. Now, I don’t know who started wearing red on white first, so I guess that is the real debate. Any help on that one?[/quote]
    I don’t believe Nebraska adopted their scarlet and cream look until about 1900. Those first few years they were known as the Old Gold Knights and the Bugeaters and wore some variation of gold in their uniforms. So I am guessing Wisconsin beat the Huskers to the red.

  • Stuby | August 28, 2007 at 9:56 am |

    [quote comment=”137395″][quote comment=”137358″]Five Worst NBA Uniforms

    By Lang Whitaker, SI.com

    http://sportsillustr...
    Here’s a Nets uni the SI guy couldn’t find.

    b. frank pupello… tampa bay’s EM?

    Also, Frank Pupello was Tampa Bay’s Equipment manager until 1998 or so. He started in 1976 with the Bucs’ inception as an assistant, worked his way up, and stayed until the Pewter era. I’m sure Paul will have a good write-up, and I am greatly looking forward to it.[/quote]
    Wow, and it took you all of 45 minutes to find a picture. Seems like it would be a requirement for working at si.com that you would be able to do basic research.

  • Robert | August 28, 2007 at 9:57 am |

    [quote comment=”137384″][quote comment=”137372″][quote comment=”137349″][quote comment=”137344″][quote comment=”137343″]Another pic of Wisconsin’s “one and done”. And yes, the drop shadow does go to the left.

    one and done[/quote]

    Your link asks for an i.d. and password.[/quote]
    My bad. Here is a good link

    one and done…[/quote]

    Aside from the giant “W” on the shoulder, I like those Wisconsin uniforms a lot. Their regular look is too much like Nebraska.[/quote]
    I hate to nit pick, and I don’t even know if I am right on this one, but I believe Wisconsin football started in 1889, and Nebraska football started in 1890. Now, I don’t know who started wearing red on white first, so I guess that is the real debate. Any help on that one?[/quote]

    That is a very good question. Nebraska has had its current uniform, with subtle variations, since 1973 or so.

    By coincidence, I just received in the mail a book entitled “Go Big Red: The Story of Cornhusker Football” that was published in 1966. It may provide some insight on when the team began wearing red. I will read through it tonight, and if I find anything, I will scan and post the photos.

    In the meantime, does someone want to begin a search for Wisconsin’s history wearing red and white?

    And FYI, Nebraska’s colors are technically scarlet and cream. Is Wisconsin the same?

  • Dan | August 28, 2007 at 9:58 am |

    I’m not a fan of the current Shutt helmet…but the one from the Giants pics…I don’t know…there’s something cool about it. I just don’t think that a team wearing a 1960’s-inspired uniform should be wearing a space-aged helmet. Save that for the teams with the futuristic look (Falcons, Cards, Seahawks, Vikes…) If you’re going to go old-school/classic in your uniform (Packers, Giants, Redskins, Cowboys, Bears) then you should wear a more traditional helmet style.

    Just my $.02

  • skott | August 28, 2007 at 10:00 am |

    hi – haven’t had a chance to visit the comments too much lately – does anyone have any pix of the KISS night w/ the brockton Rox and their KISS unis?

    i had tix for the game but couldn’t go.

    thanks
    skott

  • Shaftman | August 28, 2007 at 10:01 am |

    [quote comment=”137391″][quote comment=”137389″][quote comment=”137386″]Attention Uni-Watch readers:

    I have a Hartford Whalers home (white) jersey and would like to get Shanahan put on it for a NYR game I am going to later this year. Problem is I cannot find a picture of the back of Shanahan in his home (white) jersey, only his road (dark) jersey. I would like to get a picture so I can be assured I get the correct font on it. I have looked long and hard, but no luck. Can anyone help me out with a picture of the back of shanahan in a Hartford Whaler home jersey? Anyone? Paul?

    I need help!![/quote]

    How about this one?[/quote]

    I’m an idiot…sorry, need to find the white one. Stupid Shaftman.[/quote]

    This might help a little.

  • Marty Met | August 28, 2007 at 10:02 am |

    [quote comment=”137358″]Five Worst NBA Uniforms

    By Lang Whitaker, SI.com

    http://sportsillustr...

    Anyone have any photos of the New Jersey Nets 90 Tie Die uniforms?

  • Stuby | August 28, 2007 at 10:04 am |

    [quote comment=”137405″][quote comment=”137358″]Five Worst NBA Uniforms

    By Lang Whitaker, SI.com

    http://sportsillustr...

    Anyone have any photos of the New Jersey Nets 90 Tie Die uniforms?[/quote]
    See post #29

  • Johnny O | August 28, 2007 at 10:04 am |

    [quote comment=”137401″][quote comment=”137384″][quote comment=”137372″][quote comment=”137349″][quote comment=”137344″][quote comment=”137343″]Another pic of Wisconsin’s “one and done”. And yes, the drop shadow does go to the left.

    one and done[/quote]

    Your link asks for an i.d. and password.[/quote]
    My bad. Here is a good link

    one and done…[/quote]

    Aside from the giant “W” on the shoulder, I like those Wisconsin uniforms a lot. Their regular look is too much like Nebraska.[/quote]
    I hate to nit pick, and I don’t even know if I am right on this one, but I believe Wisconsin football started in 1889, and Nebraska football started in 1890. Now, I don’t know who started wearing red on white first, so I guess that is the real debate. Any help on that one?[/quote]

    That is a very good question. Nebraska has had its current uniform, with subtle variations, since 1973 or so.

    By coincidence, I just received in the mail a book entitled “Go Big Red: The Story of Cornhusker Football” that was published in 1966. It may provide some insight on when the team began wearing red. I will read through it tonight, and if I find anything, I will scan and post the photos.

    In the meantime, does someone want to begin a search for Wisconsin’s history wearing red and white?

    And FYI, Nebraska’s colors are technically scarlet and cream. Is Wisconsin the same?[/quote]
    The University of Wisconsin colors are Cardinal and White…

  • Jack | August 28, 2007 at 10:06 am |

    “now there’s a dwindling species”

    What does that mean?

  • michael | August 28, 2007 at 10:06 am |

    when i see those sixers uni’s mentioned in that SI article i think nothing but of Shawn Bradley, Manute Bol, and Hersey Hawkins. and also how bad those teams were, i hated that uniform..i wish they would go back to their old uni’s, i was always a fan of the “PHILA” ones as well.

  • Jason G. | August 28, 2007 at 10:09 am |

    [quote comment=”137395″][quote comment=”137358″]Five Worst NBA Uniforms

    By Lang Whitaker, SI.com

    http://sportsillustr...
    Here’s a Nets uni the SI guy couldn’t find.

    b. frank pupello… tampa bay’s EM?

    Also, Frank Pupello was Tampa Bay’s Equipment manager until 1998 or so. He started in 1976 with the Bucs’ inception as an assistant, worked his way up, and stayed until the Pewter era. I’m sure Paul will have a good write-up, and I am greatly looking forward to it.[/quote]

    Being as those seem to be tie-dyed, is each uniform unique or is it just a simulated pattern? These could be the antithesis of uniform.

  • Jim | August 28, 2007 at 10:14 am |

    [quote comment=”137404″][quote comment=”137391″][quote comment=”137389″][quote comment=”137386″]Attention Uni-Watch readers:

    I have a Hartford Whalers home (white) jersey and would like to get Shanahan put on it for a NYR game I am going to later this year. Problem is I cannot find a picture of the back of Shanahan in his home (white) jersey, only his road (dark) jersey. I would like to get a picture so I can be assured I get the correct font on it. I have looked long and hard, but no luck. Can anyone help me out with a picture of the back of shanahan in a Hartford Whaler home jersey? Anyone? Paul?

    I need help!![/quote]

    How about this one?[/quote]

    I’m an idiot…sorry, need to find the white one. Stupid Shaftman.[/quote]

    This might help a little.[/quote]
    Yeah I have that, also a pic of the front of Shanny in a home whalers jersey, which shows his #94, and his ‘C’. But no back photo. A back photo would be extremely helpful. Kind of distracted at work looking for one………

  • Paul P | August 28, 2007 at 10:19 am |

    The artist here has some wishful thinking when it comes to the Red Sox, who haven’t worn stirrups in God knows how long.
    http://bostondirtdog...
    Anyone know the last Sox player to wear stirrups?

  • BCrisp | August 28, 2007 at 10:20 am |

    Texas LongHorns are to add a bluebonnet decal to their helmets this season in honor of Ladybird.

  • Johnny O | August 28, 2007 at 10:24 am |

    [quote comment=”137407″][quote comment=”137401″][quote comment=”137384″][quote comment=”137372″][quote comment=”137349″][quote comment=”137344″][quote comment=”137343″]Another pic of Wisconsin’s “one and done”. And yes, the drop shadow does go to the left.

    one and done[/quote]

    Your link asks for an i.d. and password.[/quote]
    My bad. Here is a good link

    one and done…[/quote]

    Aside from the giant “W” on the shoulder, I like those Wisconsin uniforms a lot. Their regular look is too much like Nebraska.[/quote]
    I hate to nit pick, and I don’t even know if I am right on this one, but I believe Wisconsin football started in 1889, and Nebraska football started in 1890. Now, I don’t know who started wearing red on white first, so I guess that is the real debate. Any help on that one?[/quote]

    That is a very good question. Nebraska has had its current uniform, with subtle variations, since 1973 or so.

    By coincidence, I just received in the mail a book entitled “Go Big Red: The Story of Cornhusker Football” that was published in 1966. It may provide some insight on when the team began wearing red. I will read through it tonight, and if I find anything, I will scan and post the photos.

    In the meantime, does someone want to begin a search for Wisconsin’s history wearing red and white?

    And FYI, Nebraska’s colors are technically scarlet and cream. Is Wisconsin the same?[/quote]
    The University of Wisconsin colors are Cardinal and White…[/quote]
    This is a pretty big file, and the photos are in black and white, but it is a good history of Wisconsin football and might help debate who wore red on white first.

    Badger football yearbook

  • Anthony Verna | August 28, 2007 at 10:28 am |

    [quote comment=”137409″]when i see those sixers uni’s mentioned in that SI article i think nothing but of Shawn Bradley, Manute Bol, and Hersey Hawkins. and also how bad those teams were, i hated that uniform..i wish they would go back to their old uni’s, i was always a fan of the “PHILA” ones as well.[/quote]

    Michael, I hear you loudly and clearly.

    Have you seen the Sixers current alternate uniform? It’s sweet.

  • Shaftman | August 28, 2007 at 10:31 am |

    [quote comment=”137414″][quote comment=”137404″][quote comment=”137391″][quote comment=”137389″][quote comment=”137386″]Attention Uni-Watch readers:

    I have a Hartford Whalers home (white) jersey and would like to get Shanahan put on it for a NYR game I am going to later this year. Problem is I cannot find a picture of the back of Shanahan in his home (white) jersey, only his road (dark) jersey. I would like to get a picture so I can be assured I get the correct font on it. I have looked long and hard, but no luck. Can anyone help me out with a picture of the back of shanahan in a Hartford Whaler home jersey? Anyone? Paul?

    I need help!![/quote]

    How about this one?[/quote]

    I’m an idiot…sorry, need to find the white one. Stupid Shaftman.[/quote]

    This might help a little.[/quote]
    Yeah I have that, also a pic of the front of Shanny in a home whalers jersey, which shows his #94, and his ‘C’. But no back photo. A back photo would be extremely helpful. Kind of distracted at work looking for one………[/quote]

    It’s not Shanahan but it might help. I’m going on vacation starting Friday and I have nothing to do this week so I got all the time in the world.

  • nybatt | August 28, 2007 at 10:39 am |

    wonder why the “ny” hasn’t been applied to the ION nose-bumper????

  • Andy--01 | August 28, 2007 at 10:39 am |

    For as long as I can remember, the St. Louis Blues have had a foghorn and an organ rendition of “When The Saints Go Marching In” that plays after a goal. They are now considering changing it to some generic crappy guitar-rock to “improve the in-game experience”. The foghorn not only references the riverboat traditions of St. Louis, but back when fans would attend games in their Sunday-best, they would stand and sing “When The (Blues) Go Marching In” before games. Changing this fits the definition of “is it good or is it stupid” and is change for the sake of change.

    One of the reasons I love Uniwatch so much is the feeling of connection with the past when traditions such as classic uniforms are preserved (or when changes are made that respect classic uniforms). This is the same type of thing. I’m asking all of you who agree to go to the following link and vote to keep the “old” goal music. Thank you!
    http://blues.nhl.com...

  • Shaftman | August 28, 2007 at 10:44 am |

    [quote comment=”137426″]wonder why the “ny” hasn’t been applied to the ION nose-bumper????[/quote]
    It’s scared that the decepticons might attack.

  • tape | August 28, 2007 at 10:44 am |

    [quote comment=”137408″]”now there’s a dwindling species”

    What does that mean?[/quote]

    dwin·dle
    v. dwin·dled, dwin·dling, dwin·dles
    v.intr.
    To become gradually less until little remains.

    spe·cies
    n. pl. species
    1. Biology
    a. A fundamental category of taxonomic classification, ranking below a genus or subgenus and consisting of related organisms capable of interbreeding. See Table at taxonomy.
    b. An organism belonging to such a category, represented in binomial nomenclature by an uncapitalized Latin adjective or noun following a capitalized genus name, as in Ananas comosus, the pineapple, and Equus caballus, the horse.
    3.
    a. A kind, variety, or type: “No species of performing artist is as self-critical as a dancer” Susan Sontag.
    b. The human race; humankind.

  • Little Josh | August 28, 2007 at 10:45 am |

    Watching the Yanks-Tigers game last night, I realized how crowded the road jerseys are for the Bronx Bombers. They have the regular sleeve trim, the huge Cory Lidle armband, and the Phil Rizzuto “10”. They don’t have the same problem on the home unis.

  • tape | August 28, 2007 at 10:47 am |

    [quote comment=”137427″]For as long as I can remember, the St. Louis Blues have had a foghorn and an organ rendition of “When The Saints Go Marching In” that plays after a goal. They are now considering changing it to some generic crappy guitar-rock to “improve the in-game experience”. The foghorn not only references the riverboat traditions of St. Louis, but back when fans would attend games in their Sunday-best, they would stand and sing “When The (Blues) Go Marching In” before games. Changing this fits the definition of “is it good or is it stupid” and is change for the sake of change.

    One of the reasons I love Uniwatch so much is the feeling of connection with the past when traditions such as classic uniforms are preserved (or when changes are made that respect classic uniforms). This is the same type of thing. I’m asking all of you who agree to go to the following link and vote to keep the “old” goal music. Thank you!
    http://blues.nhl.com...

    that “new” music is absolutely horrible. I would rather die than hear that at a game.

  • Trav | August 28, 2007 at 10:47 am |

    Barry Alvarez played Linebacker at Nebraska, is it possible that he brought that uni combination to the Badgers when he took over the program?

  • tape | August 28, 2007 at 10:49 am |

    [quote comment=”137386″]Attention Uni-Watch readers:

    I have a Hartford Whalers home (white) jersey and would like to get Shanahan put on it for a NYR game I am going to later this year. Problem is I cannot find a picture of the back of Shanahan in his home (white) jersey, only his road (dark) jersey. I would like to get a picture so I can be assured I get the correct font on it. I have looked long and hard, but no luck. Can anyone help me out with a picture of the back of shanahan in a Hartford Whaler home jersey? Anyone? Paul?

    I need help!![/quote]

    you could really use any Whalers jersey worn by any player as long as it’s from the same time period, because the typefaces will be the same. The only difference between home and road would be the color of the numbers/outlines, which you can easy determine from any picture.

  • Tim | August 28, 2007 at 10:51 am |

    Wisconsin beat Nebraska to Red and White: link

    On the Huskers website:
    “In the early years, Nebraska’s football team had several nicknames, including Tree-planters, Rattlesnake Boys, Antelopes, Old Gold Knights (which didn’t work well after the school colors were made scarlet and cream around 1900) and Bugeaters.”

    Go Big Red

  • tape | August 28, 2007 at 10:51 am |

    [quote comment=”137434″]Barry Alvarez played Linebacker at Nebraska, is it possible that he brought that uni combination to the Badgers when he took over the program?[/quote]

    no, I’m fairly certain that the Badgers wore cardinal and white before 1990.

  • heybluu | August 28, 2007 at 10:52 am |

    Both Kevin Millar and Bill Mueller wore stirrups (the solid red kind, but you could see the white sanitary underneath ) in the 2005 season. I have pics of them, if I can figure out how to post them.

  • Shaftman | August 28, 2007 at 10:53 am |

    [quote comment=”137424″][quote comment=”137414″][quote comment=”137404″][quote comment=”137391″][quote comment=”137389″][quote comment=”137386″]Attention Uni-Watch readers:

    I have a Hartford Whalers home (white) jersey and would like to get Shanahan put on it for a NYR game I am going to later this year. Problem is I cannot find a picture of the back of Shanahan in his home (white) jersey, only his road (dark) jersey. I would like to get a picture so I can be assured I get the correct font on it. I have looked long and hard, but no luck. Can anyone help me out with a picture of the back of shanahan in a Hartford Whaler home jersey? Anyone? Paul?

    I need help!![/quote]

    How about this one?[/quote]

    I’m an idiot…sorry, need to find the white one. Stupid Shaftman.[/quote]

    This might help a little.[/quote]
    Yeah I have that, also a pic of the front of Shanny in a home whalers jersey, which shows his #94, and his ‘C’. But no back photo. A back photo would be extremely helpful. Kind of distracted at work looking for one………[/quote]

    It’s not Shanahan but it might help. I’m going on vacation starting Friday and I have nothing to do this week so I got all the time in the world.[/quote]

    Jim!!!

    I am the greatest man alive!!! Check this out!!! The Shanahan one looks authentic to me.

  • Stuby | August 28, 2007 at 10:53 am |

    Anyone else see the back page of the USA Today Sports section yesterday? It was a huge Citgo ad (a Venezuelan company) celebrating the career accomplishments of Davey Concepcion (a Venezuelan player) and pushing his HOF candidacy. In the 3 featured photographs, all of the Reds cap & jersey logos had been wiped away. Just looked really weird.

  • Trav | August 28, 2007 at 10:55 am |

    [quote comment=”137439″][quote comment=”137434″]Barry Alvarez played Linebacker at Nebraska, is it possible that he brought that uni combination to the Badgers when he took over the program?[/quote]

    no, I’m fairly certain that the Badgers wore cardinal and white before 1990.[/quote]
    I meant the actual look of the uniform.

  • Jason G. | August 28, 2007 at 10:58 am |

    [quote comment=”137427″]For as long as I can remember, the St. Louis Blues have had a foghorn and an organ rendition of “When The Saints Go Marching In” that plays after a goal. They are now considering changing it to some generic crappy guitar-rock to “improve the in-game experience”. The foghorn not only references the riverboat traditions of St. Louis, but back when fans would attend games in their Sunday-best, they would stand and sing “When The (Blues) Go Marching In” before games. Changing this fits the definition of “is it good or is it stupid” and is change for the sake of change.

    One of the reasons I love Uniwatch so much is the feeling of connection with the past when traditions such as classic uniforms are preserved (or when changes are made that respect classic uniforms). This is the same type of thing. I’m asking all of you who agree to go to the following link and vote to keep the “old” goal music. Thank you!
    http://blues.nhl.com...

    They can’t be serious with that new music.

  • heybluu | August 28, 2007 at 10:59 am |

    Just re-flipping through my Red Sox pictures from a series in Seattle in 2005 and Trot Nixonand Mark Bellhorn also wore the solid red stirrups with visible white sanataries in that series. Don’t remember if it was just for that series or something they did all year.

  • Wally1912 | August 28, 2007 at 11:00 am |

    [quote comment=”137416″]The artist here has some wishful thinking when it comes to the Red Sox, who haven’t worn stirrups in God knows how long.
    http://bostondirtdog...
    Anyone know the last Sox player to wear stirrups?[/quote]
    I’d say Kevin Millar

  • Tim D | August 28, 2007 at 11:00 am |

    [quote comment=”137427″]For as long as I can remember, the St. Louis Blues have had a foghorn and an organ rendition of “When The Saints Go Marching In” that plays after a goal. They are now considering changing it to some generic crappy guitar-rock to “improve the in-game experience”. The foghorn not only references the riverboat traditions of St. Louis, but back when fans would attend games in their Sunday-best, they would stand and sing “When The (Blues) Go Marching In” before games. Changing this fits the definition of “is it good or is it stupid” and is change for the sake of change.

    One of the reasons I love Uniwatch so much is the feeling of connection with the past when traditions such as classic uniforms are preserved (or when changes are made that respect classic uniforms). This is the same type of thing. I’m asking all of you who agree to go to the following link and vote to keep the “old” goal music. Thank you!
    http://blues.nhl.com...

    As a fan who grew up at the “old Barn” watching Blues Hockey, as my Dad was the box office manager for the Blues back in the day…..I can’t believe they would even THINK of changing the music and horn tradition played after a Blues goal…Thanks for linking this man….my vote is in!..

  • Jim | August 28, 2007 at 11:00 am |

    [quote comment=”137437″][quote comment=”137386″]Attention Uni-Watch readers:

    I have a Hartford Whalers home (white) jersey and would like to get Shanahan put on it for a NYR game I am going to later this year. Problem is I cannot find a picture of the back of Shanahan in his home (white) jersey, only his road (dark) jersey. I would like to get a picture so I can be assured I get the correct font on it. I have looked long and hard, but no luck. Can anyone help me out with a picture of the back of shanahan in a Hartford Whaler home jersey? Anyone? Paul?

    I need help!![/quote]

    you could really use any Whalers jersey worn by any player as long as it’s from the same time period, because the typefaces will be the same. The only difference between home and road would be the color of the numbers/outlines, which you can easy determine from any picture.[/quote]
    Yeah, its just in some pictures the lettering and numbering looks black, and in some looks dark blue (like the top of the actual logo) but I think that is becuase of the quality of the picture. From nhluniforms.com it looks like its the dark blue.

    I know Shanahan only played in Hartford for a season and 2 games of the following season beofre getting traded, but I find it hard to believe there is not a picture somewhere showing the back of his jersey. I mean he was one of their top players.

  • Robert | August 28, 2007 at 11:02 am |

    [quote comment=”137438″]Wisconsin beat Nebraska to Red and White: link

    On the Huskers website:
    “In the early years, Nebraska’s football team had several nicknames, including Tree-planters, Rattlesnake Boys, Antelopes, Old Gold Knights (which didn’t work well after the school colors were made scarlet and cream around 1900) and Bugeaters.”[/quote]

    Good work. Has anyone found anything indicating that Wisconsin wore cardinal and white prior to 1900?

    Getting back to my original point from post no. 15, I meant to convey that Wisconsin’s current uniform looks much like Nebraska’s. Regardless of who wore red and white first, did Wisconsin beat Nebraska to the punch when it came to this style of uniform, which Nebraska has had since 1973 or so?

    As has been noted, Barry Alvarez has always been very close to Nebraska’s program, and I too have wondered whether the basic look of Nebraska’s uniform was copied by him, or whether it preceded him at Wisconsin.

    (Paul, regardless of whether the Nebraska/Wisconsin research results in anything worthwhile, this might be a worthwhile future topic: teams copying other teams’ uniforms. For instance, Iowa/Steelers, Kansas/Giants, and I am sure that there are many others.)

  • Andrew F. | August 28, 2007 at 11:06 am |

    Just closing the bold.

    So will you get the 94 on the Whalers jersey?

  • jsdryden | August 28, 2007 at 11:07 am |

    Closing tag?

  • Andrew F. | August 28, 2007 at 11:07 am |

    try that again

  • Wally1912 | August 28, 2007 at 11:08 am |

    [quote comment=”137448″][quote comment=”137416″]The artist here has some wishful thinking when it comes to the Red Sox, who haven’t worn stirrups in God knows how long.
    http://bostondirtdog...
    Anyone know the last Sox player to wear stirrups?[/quote]
    I’d say Kevin Millar[/quote]
    Curt Schilling currently wears stirrups, but has farily long pant legs.

  • jsdryden | August 28, 2007 at 11:10 am |

    Again also…

  • Kevin | August 28, 2007 at 11:13 am |

    [quote comment=”137429″][quote comment=”137408″]”now there’s a dwindling species”

    What does that mean?[/quote]

    dwin·dle
    v. dwin·dled, dwin·dling, dwin·dles
    v.intr.
    To become gradually less until little remains.

    spe·cies
    n. pl. species
    1. Biology
    a. A fundamental category of taxonomic classification, ranking below a genus or subgenus and consisting of related organisms capable of interbreeding. See Table at taxonomy.
    b. An organism belonging to such a category, represented in binomial nomenclature by an uncapitalized Latin adjective or noun following a capitalized genus name, as in Ananas comosus, the pineapple, and Equus caballus, the horse.
    3.
    a. A kind, variety, or type: “No species of performing artist is as self-critical as a dancer” Susan Sontag.
    b. The human race; humankind.[/quote]

    nice rip on FreeP readers for no reason there Paul…just because we dont like the reporters, does not mean we are going to stop reading the paper.

    p.s. to whoever won that free helmet…NICE PICK!

  • Robert | August 28, 2007 at 11:21 am |

    [quote comment=”137419″][quote comment=”137407″][quote comment=”137401″][quote comment=”137384″][quote comment=”137372″][quote comment=”137349″][quote comment=”137344″][quote comment=”137343″]Another pic of Wisconsin’s “one and done”. And yes, the drop shadow does go to the left.

    one and done[/quote]

    Your link asks for an i.d. and password.[/quote]
    My bad. Here is a good link

    one and done…[/quote]

    Aside from the giant “W” on the shoulder, I like those Wisconsin uniforms a lot. Their regular look is too much like Nebraska.[/quote]
    I hate to nit pick, and I don’t even know if I am right on this one, but I believe Wisconsin football started in 1889, and Nebraska football started in 1890. Now, I don’t know who started wearing red on white first, so I guess that is the real debate. Any help on that one?[/quote]

    That is a very good question. Nebraska has had its current uniform, with subtle variations, since 1973 or so.

    By coincidence, I just received in the mail a book entitled “Go Big Red: The Story of Cornhusker Football” that was published in 1966. It may provide some insight on when the team began wearing red. I will read through it tonight, and if I find anything, I will scan and post the photos.

    In the meantime, does someone want to begin a search for Wisconsin’s history wearing red and white?

    And FYI, Nebraska’s colors are technically scarlet and cream. Is Wisconsin the same?[/quote]
    The University of Wisconsin colors are Cardinal and White…[/quote]
    This is a pretty big file, and the photos are in black and white, but it is a good history of Wisconsin football and might help debate who wore red on white first.

    Badger football yearbook[/quote]

    That’s great stuff. It definitely shows that Wisconsin had the same basic look as far back as Billy Marek’s playing days of 1972-1975. Maybe these teams are simply uniform doppelgangers.

  • DJ | August 28, 2007 at 11:23 am |

    German Soccer Federation (DFB) has re-upped with Adidas through 2018:

    http://www.footballs...

  • Stuby | August 28, 2007 at 11:23 am |

    Did someone really post yesterday wondering what Manny would wear when the Sox retire his number #24? If they didn’t retire #24 for Dwight Evans, (I can’t figure out why not) what makes you think they would retire it for Manny Ramirez?

  • Jim | August 28, 2007 at 11:27 am |

    [quote comment=”137441″][quote comment=”137424″][quote comment=”137414″][quote comment=”137404″][quote comment=”137391″][quote comment=”137389″][quote comment=”137386″]Attention Uni-Watch readers:

    I have a Hartford Whalers home (white) jersey and would like to get Shanahan put on it for a NYR game I am going to later this year. Problem is I cannot find a picture of the back of Shanahan in his home (white) jersey, only his road (dark) jersey. I would like to get a picture so I can be assured I get the correct font on it. I have looked long and hard, but no luck. Can anyone help me out with a picture of the back of shanahan in a Hartford Whaler home jersey? Anyone? Paul?

    I need help!![/quote]

    How about this one?[/quote]

    I’m an idiot…sorry, need to find the white one. Stupid Shaftman.[/quote]

    This might help a little.[/quote]
    Yeah I have that, also a pic of the front of Shanny in a home whalers jersey, which shows his #94, and his ‘C’. But no back photo. A back photo would be extremely helpful. Kind of distracted at work looking for one………[/quote]

    It’s not Shanahan but it might help. I’m going on vacation starting Friday and I have nothing to do this week so I got all the time in the world.[/quote]

    Jim!!!

    I am the greatest man alive!!! Check this out!!! The Shanahan one looks authentic to me.[/quote]
    Holy Crap! I can’t believe you found that! I was seriously on the web last night for like 2 hours trying to find a picture of that. AWESOME! Thanks, you made my day!

    Actually the jersey is my buddy’s. He is getting the HAR jersey for the NYR vs. PHI game, and I am getting a NYR Kocur Jersey made. Pics of Kocur were very easy to find. We’re also seeing DET vs. BOS, kind of a hockey road trip. Thanks for all the help, I can die a happy man.

  • Paddy | August 28, 2007 at 11:27 am |

    [quote comment=”137359″][quote comment=”137353″]if I choose to wrap my personal vehicle and get paid for it, what is the problem?[/quote]

    From the perspective of the person who owns the car, no problem at all — assuming you don’t mind turning your car into a billboard (which I would certainly never want to do, but I realize other people may feel differently).

    But from the perspective of everyone else, it’s a further imposition of advertising into public space. Everywhere that car goes, people have to look at a car that is now an ad. It’s another example of how hard it is to find public space that isn’t for sale. Maybe you don’t see that as a problem, but I do.[/quote]

    So are you opposed to billboards, signs in front of stores, etc.? How about Ads by Google on the sides of websites? How about carnival barkers and hotdog carts? How about car companies that put their names on cars? I counted 8 badges and 4 wordmarks on my car when I went to lunch today. How about tractor trailers and delivery trucks? How about the guy who owns a painting/handyman/mowing business and puts his logo and contact info on the side of his vehicle?

    Also, it isn’t public space that is for sale, it is private space. When city does this with muncipal buses, or muncipal vehicles or on a road surface that is public space.

    Finally, I am not trying to be a pain, I am trying to understand your argument on this one because unlike so many of your other views I agree with, I just don’t understand this one.

  • Pete | August 28, 2007 at 11:28 am |

    My vote for most bizarre helmet goes to Mark Kelso. I always thought Willie Lanier looked pretty cool, and I don’t mind the Riddell Revolution. Personally, if I was a football player today, I would wear the most space-age protection I could find, so I say “more power” to the Giants who wear the Ion.

  • Chris | August 28, 2007 at 11:30 am |

    The facemask on the Ion doesn’t hinge, does it? Those side connections look too … inserty? … to be a simple connection, especially since the top clasp is fairly traditional.

  • Dave | August 28, 2007 at 11:30 am |

    [quote comment=”137380″]
    c. my vote for strangest facemask ever?
    rickey jackson when he wore what looked like the equivalent of a goalies cage.[/quote]
    Rickey had been in a car crash and broken most of the bones in his face.

  • Paul Lukas | August 28, 2007 at 11:33 am |

    [quote comment=”137461″]nice rip on FreeP readers for no reason there Paul…[/quote]

    Please explain how my comment constituted a “rip.” I was simply pointing out that the FreeP’s circ is dwindling (as is Detroit’s population), which is a fact. It’s widely viewed in media circles as a newspaper in very serious financial trouble.

  • baseball | August 28, 2007 at 11:34 am |

    [quote comment=”137468″][quote comment=”137359″][quote comment=”137353″]if I choose to wrap my personal vehicle and get paid for it, what is the problem?[/quote]

    From the perspective of the person who owns the car, no problem at all — assuming you don’t mind turning your car into a billboard (which I would certainly never want to do, but I realize other people may feel differently).

    But from the perspective of everyone else, it’s a further imposition of advertising into public space. Everywhere that car goes, people have to look at a car that is now an ad. It’s another example of how hard it is to find public space that isn’t for sale. Maybe you don’t see that as a problem, but I do.[/quote]

    So are you opposed to billboards, signs in front of stores, etc.? How about Ads by Google on the sides of websites? How about carnival barkers and hotdog carts? How about car companies that put their names on cars? I counted 8 badges and 4 wordmarks on my car when I went to lunch today. How about tractor trailers and delivery trucks? How about the guy who owns a painting/handyman/mowing business and puts his logo and contact info on the side of his vehicle?

    Also, it isn’t public space that is for sale, it is private space. When city does this with muncipal buses, or muncipal vehicles or on a road surface that is public space.

    Finally, I am not trying to be a pain, I am trying to understand your argument on this one because unlike so many of your other views I agree with, I just don’t understand this one.[/quote]
    Paul just has hard feelings because he doesn’t have a corporate sponsor on this site. If Nike sponsored this site, he wouldn’t have to ask his readers for money, and the swoosh would be everywhere..

  • todd krevanchi | August 28, 2007 at 11:34 am |

    [quote comment=”137466″]Did someone really post yesterday wondering what Manny would wear when the Sox retire his number #24? If they didn’t retire #24 for Dwight Evans, (I can’t figure out why not) what makes you think they would retire it for Manny Ramirez?[/quote]

    the red sox are pretty stingy when it comes to retiring numbers… which is good.
    pesky, cronin, williams, yaz, pudge
    id assume the rocket would join them one day…

    i dont know if dewey is in that regard, id say jim rice before him.

    but i have to agree with you that i seriously doubt the number 24 (for retirement) would get any consideration because of manny… id say it would be for dewey.

  • Flip | August 28, 2007 at 11:35 am |

    [quote comment=”137456″][quote comment=”137448″][quote comment=”137416″]The artist here has some wishful thinking when it comes to the Red Sox, who haven’t worn stirrups in God knows how long.
    http://bostondirtdog...
    Anyone know the last Sox player to wear stirrups?[/quote]
    I’d say Kevin Millar[/quote]
    Curt Schilling currently wears stirrups, but has farily long pant legs.[/quote]
    That’s a good look that could be improved by going back to these.

    BTW: A little help out there regarding closing the bold. There was the same problem yesterday with italics. How do you go back to the default, even if you didn’t start it?

  • Paul Lukas | August 28, 2007 at 11:35 am |

    [quote comment=”137466″]Did someone really post yesterday wondering what Manny would wear when the Sox retire his number #24? If they didn’t retire #24 for Dwight Evans, (I can’t figure out why not) what makes you think they would retire it for Manny Ramirez?[/quote]

    Red Sox policy is not to retire a number unless the player is in (or is a shoo-in for) the Hall of Fame. Evans was a swell ballplayer, but he wasn’t a Hall of Famer. Manny, whatever else you may think of him, is the greatest run producer of his generation and is gonna get in on the first ballot.

  • John | August 28, 2007 at 11:38 am |

    [quote comment=”137400″][quote comment=”137395″][quote comment=”137358″]Five Worst NBA Uniforms

    By Lang Whitaker, SI.com

    http://sportsillustr...
    Here’s a Nets uni the SI guy couldn’t find.

    b. frank pupello… tampa bay’s EM?

    Also, Frank Pupello was Tampa Bay’s Equipment manager until 1998 or so. He started in 1976 with the Bucs’ inception as an assistant, worked his way up, and stayed until the Pewter era. I’m sure Paul will have a good write-up, and I am greatly looking forward to it.[/quote]
    Wow, and it took you all of 45 minutes to find a picture. Seems like it would be a requirement for working at si.com that you would be able to do basic research.[/quote]

    I was just thinking about anotehr worst uniform…how about the Charlotte Hornets, when they had a stripped jersey and plain white shorts…OH MY!!!!

  • Dave | August 28, 2007 at 11:38 am |

    [quote comment=”137470″]The facemask on the Ion doesn’t hinge, does it? Those side connections look too … inserty? … to be a simple connection, especially since the top clasp is fairly traditional.[/quote]

    I would hope it does. One of the big challenges in treating badly injured players is immobilizing the neck and head while being able to get to the player’s airway. You can’t get to the airway with the facemask in the way, and you can’t get the helmet off without moving the head and neck. The solution is a quick-detach facemask, as on the Revolution which has an odd half-screw-turn clip, or cutting away the cage with the bolt cutters which isn’t ideal since you have to torque the mask to cut it.

    If they have a quick-detach method that holds the cage on and allows fast removal without tools, I’d want to have that for my helmet. It’d be super-useful if I ever needed a breathing tube when my neck was broken.

  • Teebz | August 28, 2007 at 11:39 am |

    [quote comment=”137447″]
    As a fan who grew up at the “old Barn” watching Blues Hockey, as my Dad was the box office manager for the Blues back in the day…..I can’t believe they would even THINK of changing the music and horn tradition played after a Blues goal…Thanks for linking this man….my vote is in!..[/quote]

    The Blues music is iconic.

    The Joe Satriani “Crowd Chant” song is fine, but you cannot replace the Saints. When EA Sports goes out of their way to include the Saints song in their NHL franchise, you know it’s iconic.

    That, and I used to love the horn after goals in the playoffs. Maybe that’s what’s been missing from St. Louis?

  • jsdryden | August 28, 2007 at 11:39 am |

    [quote comment=”137479″][quote comment=”137456″][quote comment=”137448″][quote comment=”137416″]The artist here has some wishful thinking when it comes to the Red Sox, who haven’t worn stirrups in God knows how long.
    http://bostondirtdog...
    Anyone know the last Sox player to wear stirrups?[/quote]
    I’d say Kevin Millar[/quote]
    Curt Schilling currently wears stirrups, but has farily long pant legs.[/quote]
    That’s a good look that could be improved by going back to these.

    BTW: A little help out there regarding closing the bold. There was the same problem yesterday with italics. How do you go back to the default, even if you didn’t start it?[/quote]

    All I did in this case was click the Bold tag twice, then removed the opening tag so that it would only close the bold. I think I just got lucky in this case, as I can’t seem to even manage a link to a picture when I try.

    Cheers,

  • Paul Lukas | August 28, 2007 at 11:42 am |

    [quote comment=”137468″][quote comment=”137359″][quote comment=”137353″]if I choose to wrap my personal vehicle and get paid for it, what is the problem?[/quote]

    From the perspective of the person who owns the car, no problem at all — assuming you don’t mind turning your car into a billboard (which I would certainly never want to do, but I realize other people may feel differently).

    But from the perspective of everyone else, it’s a further imposition of advertising into public space. Everywhere that car goes, people have to look at a car that is now an ad. It’s another example of how hard it is to find public space that isn’t for sale. Maybe you don’t see that as a problem, but I do.[/quote]

    So are you opposed to billboards, signs in front of stores, etc.? How about Ads by Google on the sides of websites? How about carnival barkers and hotdog carts? How about car companies that put their names on cars? I counted 8 badges and 4 wordmarks on my car when I went to lunch today. How about tractor trailers and delivery trucks? How about the guy who owns a painting/handyman/mowing business and puts his logo and contact info on the side of his vehicle?

    Also, it isn’t public space that is for sale, it is private space. When city does this with muncipal buses, or muncipal vehicles or on a road surface that is public space.

    Finally, I am not trying to be a pain, I am trying to understand your argument on this one because unlike so many of your other views I agree with, I just don’t understand this one.[/quote]

    There’s a big difference between commercial space (a storefront, hot dog cart, a magazine page, my web site) and public space. Even if you’re willing to pay for a billboard, you can’t just put one up anyplace you want on the highway — you have to get a permit or a license. Why? Because the highway is a public resource, maintained by public funds, and it’s in the public interest to regulate the amount of advertising that can appear there.

    And you can’t even get a permit or a license for a billboard on a residential block, because zoning doesn’t allow for it. Why? Because our culture has decided (for now, at least) that big, screaming ads are inappropriate on residential blocks.

    But if I plaster an ad on my car and park it on my residential block, I have imposed a billboard where it doesn’t belong. It’s a clever way to beat the system, but it’s still bad for civic life.

  • todd krevanchi | August 28, 2007 at 11:47 am |

    has anyone checked up on brett myers wife in the last 2 days?

    i certainly hope he didnt go home and take out his frustrations on her the other day…

  • Broker75 | August 28, 2007 at 11:49 am |

    [quote comment=”137490″]has anyone checked up on brett myers wife in the last 2 days?

    i certainly hope he didnt go home and take out his frustrations on her the other day…[/quote]
    I’m in the dark here..care to explain?

  • John | August 28, 2007 at 11:50 am |

    [quote comment=”137483″][quote comment=”137400″][quote comment=”137395″][quote comment=”137358″]Five Worst NBA Uniforms

    By Lang Whitaker, SI.com

    http://sportsillustr...
    Here’s a Nets uni the SI guy couldn’t find.

    b. frank pupello… tampa bay’s EM?

    Also, Frank Pupello was Tampa Bay’s Equipment manager until 1998 or so. He started in 1976 with the Bucs’ inception as an assistant, worked his way up, and stayed until the Pewter era. I’m sure Paul will have a good write-up, and I am greatly looking forward to it.[/quote]
    Wow, and it took you all of 45 minutes to find a picture. Seems like it would be a requirement for working at si.com that you would be able to do basic research.[/quote]

    I was just thinking about anotehr worst uniform…how about the Charlotte Hornets, when they had a stripped jersey and plain white shorts…OH MY!!!![/quote]

  • Jason G. | August 28, 2007 at 11:50 am |

    There has been a lot of debate over logo creep, advertising, and the like over the last couple of days. To those of you who argue that there isn’t anything wrong with a company logo on a uni, or the car advertisement: What is your profession? I’m just curoius.

  • Kevin | August 28, 2007 at 11:51 am |

    The University of Wyoming is using the Ion helmet as well. I’d like to get my hands on it to see how the face mask is attatched. I e-mailed the equipment manager and the only thing he would tell me about it was that it was a prototype.

  • Shaftman | August 28, 2007 at 11:58 am |

    [quote comment=”137491″][quote comment=”137490″]has anyone checked up on brett myers wife in the last 2 days?

    i certainly hope he didnt go home and take out his frustrations on her the other day…[/quote]
    I’m in the dark here..care to explain?[/quote]

    This should explain the whole story.

  • Dan King | August 28, 2007 at 11:58 am |

    maybe someone said this yesterday, but maybe LT is wearing the tinted visor over the blue one to reduce the glare, which would be a problem w/ the sunburst or other lightly colored visors?

  • Shaftman | August 28, 2007 at 12:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”137499″]maybe someone said this yesterday, but maybe LT is wearing the tinted visor over the blue one to reduce the glare, which would be a problem w/ the sunburst or other lightly colored visors?[/quote]

    It was mentioned right after the new number font on the Bucs jersey’s [/sarcasm].

  • Chris | August 28, 2007 at 12:06 pm |

    The NFL still has a long way to go to match the NHL for ugly/weird helmets…

  • Shaftman | August 28, 2007 at 12:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”137499″]maybe someone said this yesterday, but maybe LT is wearing the tinted visor over the blue one to reduce the glare, which would be a problem w/ the sunburst or other lightly colored visors?[/quote]

    You know… I’m going to apologize for that snarky remark. It was uncalled for. My bad.

  • Johnny B | August 28, 2007 at 12:15 pm |

    We got an answer to the DeRosa jersey question:

    Can you please find the answer to one of life’s burning questions — why does DeRosa’s home jersey say “DEROSA” while his road jerseys say “DeROSA”? Is it some kind of superstition or a MLB uniform rule?
    — Joy D., Englewood, Colo.

    The clubhouse attendants were not aware of the difference, but DeRosa noticed it right away. He would prefer to have it spelled with the small “E” as it is on his road jersey. But, he said, “I’m just thankful to have a jersey.”

  • Stormwater Best Management Practices | August 28, 2007 at 12:15 pm |

    I like the Decepticons laying the five in the Pro Bowl. Actually, I don’t mind the helmets so much if they can reduce head injuries and concussions.

    Stormwater BMP

  • Cold Warehousing | August 28, 2007 at 12:17 pm |

    From interviews I’ve heard DeRosa seems to be a pretty good guy.

  • todd krevanchi | August 28, 2007 at 12:17 pm |

    from an insurance and liability standpoint, these small businesses are taking a huge risk.

    suppose ive wrapped my grand cherokee with ugly pool guy (which seems to be a local small business)

    im in a serious accident which kills either a pedestrian or a driver/passenger of another vehicle.

    now, in a lawsuit, not only will i be named, but so will this small business.

    i certainly hope they have done their homework legally when it comes to this scenario, because it will eventually happen.

  • Adam | August 28, 2007 at 12:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”137513″]from an insurance and liability standpoint, these small businesses are taking a huge risk.

    suppose ive wrapped my grand cherokee with ugly pool guy (which seems to be a local small business)

    im in a serious accident which kills either a pedestrian or a driver/passenger of another vehicle.

    now, in a lawsuit, not only will i be named, but so will this small business.

    i certainly hope they have done their homework legally when it comes to this scenario, because it will eventually happen.[/quote]

    I have no problem at all with things being wrapped with ads. However, the idea that some idiot would sue a company that has nothing to do with an accident just because their ad is on a car? THAT infuriates me. But is it really that likely? Has anybody ever sued a company that advertised on a bus after a bus accident?

  • Trump1010 | August 28, 2007 at 12:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”137514″][quote comment=”137513″]from an insurance and liability standpoint, these small businesses are taking a huge risk.

    suppose ive wrapped my grand cherokee with ugly pool guy (which seems to be a local small business)

    im in a serious accident which kills either a pedestrian or a driver/passenger of another vehicle.

    now, in a lawsuit, not only will i be named, but so will this small business.

    i certainly hope they have done their homework legally when it comes to this scenario, because it will eventually happen.[/quote]

    I have no problem at all with things being wrapped with ads. However, the idea that some idiot would sue a company that has nothing to do with an accident just because their ad is on a car? THAT infuriates me. But is it really that likely? Has anybody ever sued a company that advertised on a bus after a bus accident?[/quote]

    Who gets sued when this gets in an accident?

  • Pat | August 28, 2007 at 12:41 pm |

    [quote]the red sox are pretty stingy when it comes to retiring numbers… which is good.
    pesky, cronin, williams, yaz, pudge
    id assume the rocket would join them one day…

    i dont know if dewey is in that regard, id say jim rice before him.

    but i have to agree with you that i seriously doubt the number 24 (for retirement) would get any consideration because of manny… id say it would be for dewey. [/quote]

    Pesky’s number is not retired. Retired numbers for the Red Sox are here.

    Not only is it a rule that the player has to be in the Hall of Fame (which Manny will most certainly be) but the player also has to finish his career with the Red Sox. Meaning Roger Clemens is out. (I don’t know if it’s changed or not but on the site it just says 10 years of service with the Sox, I was told otherwise on the Fenway tour a few years ago).

    Of course, everyone knows that Carlton Fisk didn’t finish his career with the Red Sox, but they brought him on the management staff with some sort of cushy job so they could say he finished his “career” with the Sox.

    Seeing as how Clemens will finish his career with the Yankees, and pretty much despised by all of Red Sox nation (god do I hate that phrase) I seriously doubt he gets brough back in some cushy front office capacity.

    At least I hope not.

  • todd krevanchi | August 28, 2007 at 12:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”137514″][quote comment=”137513″]from an insurance and liability standpoint, these small businesses are taking a huge risk.

    suppose ive wrapped my grand cherokee with ugly pool guy (which seems to be a local small business)

    im in a serious accident which kills either a pedestrian or a driver/passenger of another vehicle.

    now, in a lawsuit, not only will i be named, but so will this small business.

    i certainly hope they have done their homework legally when it comes to this scenario, because it will eventually happen.[/quote]

    I have no problem at all with things being wrapped with ads. However, the idea that some idiot would sue a company that has nothing to do with an accident just because their ad is on a car? THAT infuriates me. But is it really that likely? Has anybody ever sued a company that advertised on a bus after a bus accident?[/quote]

    if i lose a loved one in an auto accident, and the other vehicle has ANYTHING company related on it, you better believe im naming the driver AND the company.

    i dont care if its painted on, wrapped, or whatever. heck, even if there is a bumper sticker which names a company, they are getting named too.

  • Jeffrey | August 28, 2007 at 12:47 pm |

    Unireaders (like me) must be under the influence of Paul’s telepathy as we were discussing the Giants helmet yesterday morning in the comments section. Thanks for the clarification and info!

  • Shadeymonk | August 28, 2007 at 12:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”137519″][quote comment=”137514″][quote comment=”137513″]from an insurance and liability standpoint, these small businesses are taking a huge risk.

    suppose ive wrapped my grand cherokee with ugly pool guy (which seems to be a local small business)

    im in a serious accident which kills either a pedestrian or a driver/passenger of another vehicle.

    now, in a lawsuit, not only will i be named, but so will this small business.

    i certainly hope they have done their homework legally when it comes to this scenario, because it will eventually happen.[/quote]

    I have no problem at all with things being wrapped with ads. However, the idea that some idiot would sue a company that has nothing to do with an accident just because their ad is on a car? THAT infuriates me. But is it really that likely? Has anybody ever sued a company that advertised on a bus after a bus accident?[/quote]

    if i lose a loved one in an auto accident, and the other vehicle has ANYTHING company related on it, you better believe im naming the driver AND the company.

    i dont care if its painted on, wrapped, or whatever. heck, even if there is a bumper sticker which names a company, they are getting named too.[/quote]

    And you sir, just displayed the problem in society today. People suing others who were completely not liable but the companies settle because the cost of trial is more expensive. Great system we have here.

  • David | August 28, 2007 at 12:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”137423″][quote comment=”137409″]when i see those sixers uni’s mentioned in that SI article i think nothing but of Shawn Bradley, Manute Bol, and Hersey Hawkins. and also how bad those teams were, i hated that uniform..i wish they would go back to their old uni’s, i was always a fan of the “PHILA” ones as well.[/quote]

    Michael, I hear you loudly and clearly.

    Have you seen the Sixers current alternate uniform? It’s sweet.[/quote]

    i wouldn’t go so far as to say it’s sweet…it’s definitely sweeter, especially with the red coming back, but the sixers really need to ditch that design and go old-school again. my vote is for the 1976-77 design or at least something close to that or to what they wore in the 80s. with iverson gone, it’s time to bring a new identity to this team and bring back some old fans.

  • KW | August 28, 2007 at 12:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”137519″][quote comment=”137514″][quote comment=”137513″]from an insurance and liability standpoint, these small businesses are taking a huge risk.

    suppose ive wrapped my grand cherokee with ugly pool guy (which seems to be a local small business)

    im in a serious accident which kills either a pedestrian or a driver/passenger of another vehicle.

    now, in a lawsuit, not only will i be named, but so will this small business.

    i certainly hope they have done their homework legally when it comes to this scenario, because it will eventually happen.[/quote]

    I have no problem at all with things being wrapped with ads. However, the idea that some idiot would sue a company that has nothing to do with an accident just because their ad is on a car? THAT infuriates me. But is it really that likely? Has anybody ever sued a company that advertised on a bus after a bus accident?[/quote]

    if i lose a loved one in an auto accident, and the other vehicle has ANYTHING company related on it, you better believe im naming the driver AND the company.

    i dont care if its painted on, wrapped, or whatever. heck, even if there is a bumper sticker which names a company, they are getting named too.[/quote]

    And that precisely is wrong with our society…

    what about the signs people put outside their houses that say “Vote for (fill in the blank)”

    should they not be permitted as well?

  • Shaftman | August 28, 2007 at 12:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”137517″][quote comment=”137514″][quote comment=”137513″]from an insurance and liability standpoint, these small businesses are taking a huge risk.

    suppose ive wrapped my grand cherokee with ugly pool guy (which seems to be a local small business)

    im in a serious accident which kills either a pedestrian or a driver/passenger of another vehicle.

    now, in a lawsuit, not only will i be named, but so will this small business.

    i certainly hope they have done their homework legally when it comes to this scenario, because it will eventually happen.[/quote]

    I have no problem at all with things being wrapped with ads. However, the idea that some idiot would sue a company that has nothing to do with an accident just because their ad is on a car? THAT infuriates me. But is it really that likely? Has anybody ever sued a company that advertised on a bus after a bus accident?[/quote]

    Who gets sued when this gets in an accident?[/quote]

    These guys.

  • Anthony Verna | August 28, 2007 at 12:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”137513″]from an insurance and liability standpoint, these small businesses are taking a huge risk.

    suppose ive wrapped my grand cherokee with ugly pool guy (which seems to be a local small business)

    im in a serious accident which kills either a pedestrian or a driver/passenger of another vehicle.

    now, in a lawsuit, not only will i be named, but so will this small business.

    i certainly hope they have done their homework legally when it comes to this scenario, because it will eventually happen.[/quote]

    I don’t know, Todd. I’m thinking that the other company would easily get out of it. The driver wasn’t being employed by the company. He was an independant contractor and the accident had zero to do with the advertising. It easily would’ve happened if the driver had no advertising on the car.

  • Anthony Verna | August 28, 2007 at 12:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”137524″][quote comment=”137423″][quote comment=”137409″]when i see those sixers uni’s mentioned in that SI article i think nothing but of Shawn Bradley, Manute Bol, and Hersey Hawkins. and also how bad those teams were, i hated that uniform..i wish they would go back to their old uni’s, i was always a fan of the “PHILA” ones as well.[/quote]

    Michael, I hear you loudly and clearly.

    Have you seen the Sixers current alternate uniform? It’s sweet.[/quote]

    i wouldn’t go so far as to say it’s sweet…it’s definitely sweeter, especially with the red coming back, but the sixers really need to ditch that design and go old-school again. my vote is for the 1976-77 design or at least something close to that or to what they wore in the 80s. with iverson gone, it’s time to bring a new identity to this team and bring back some old fans.[/quote]

    Are you saying that people aren’t going because of the jersey design?

  • adr | August 28, 2007 at 1:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”137370″]Paul, we need an edit button for our posts. Now my embarrassing example of apostrophe misuse is preserved for all eternity. Bob the Angry Flower will be disappointed me.[/quote]

    Wow. Uniwatch *and* Bob the Angry Flower?

    These are a few of my favorite things.

  • todd krevanchi | August 28, 2007 at 1:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”137528″][quote comment=”137513″]from an insurance and liability standpoint, these small businesses are taking a huge risk.

    suppose ive wrapped my grand cherokee with ugly pool guy (which seems to be a local small business)

    im in a serious accident which kills either a pedestrian or a driver/passenger of another vehicle.

    now, in a lawsuit, not only will i be named, but so will this small business.

    i certainly hope they have done their homework legally when it comes to this scenario, because it will eventually happen.[/quote]

    I don’t know, Todd. I’m thinking that the other company would easily get out of it. The driver wasn’t being employed by the company. He was an independant contractor and the accident had zero to do with the advertising. It easily would’ve happened if the driver had no advertising on the car.[/quote]

    oh, i know they would most probably get out of it. but at the same time, all i know at that moment is that a vehicle representing company XYZ hit and killed a loved one.

  • Rich | August 28, 2007 at 1:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”137408″]”now there’s a dwindling species”

    What does that mean?[/quote]

    In 1987 the Freep had the 10th largest circulation in the country.

    In 1998 circulation was 381,599

    Last report current circulation is 305,137.

    That’s a dwindling species.

  • Christopher | August 28, 2007 at 1:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”137427″]For as long as I can remember, the St. Louis Blues have had a foghorn and an organ rendition of “When The Saints Go Marching In” that plays after a goal. They are now considering changing it to some generic crappy guitar-rock to “improve the in-game experience”. The foghorn not only references the riverboat traditions of St. Louis, but back when fans would attend games in their Sunday-best, they would stand and sing “When The (Blues) Go Marching In” before games. Changing this fits the definition of “is it good or is it stupid” and is change for the sake of change.

    One of the reasons I love Uniwatch so much is the feeling of connection with the past when traditions such as classic uniforms are preserved (or when changes are made that respect classic uniforms). This is the same type of thing. I’m asking all of you who agree to go to the following link and vote to keep the “old” goal music. Thank you!
    http://blues.nhl.com...

    I’m with you. Recently the Chicago White Sox have fired their organist and quit playing “Na Na Hey Hey” after home runs. All so they can fit more 50 Cent and Metallica in. Ugh!

  • jsdryden | August 28, 2007 at 1:09 pm |

    The Kingston Frontenacs (OHL Junior Hockey) released a third sweater a couple of weeks ago.
    In my opinion this is much better than their current dark sweater, which is a Dallas Star clone.
    Side note, in the second picture the Frontenacs are playing my beloved Belleville Bulls who are wearing their classic Shlitz Bull logo sweater.

  • Broker75 | August 28, 2007 at 1:10 pm |

    Just caught some footage of the ‘Vick Thing’ Atlanta’s uni’s look way better before they changed to their current. Is Vick gonna sue for this?

  • jsdryden | August 28, 2007 at 1:12 pm |

    Paul, Vince,

    Just had a post eaten, hope it can be restored.

    Cheers

  • Dan | August 28, 2007 at 1:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”137527″][quote comment=”137517″][quote comment=”137514″][quote comment=”137513″]from an insurance and liability standpoint, these small businesses are taking a huge risk.

    suppose ive wrapped my grand cherokee with ugly pool guy (which seems to be a local small business)

    im in a serious accident which kills either a pedestrian or a driver/passenger of another vehicle.

    now, in a lawsuit, not only will i be named, but so will this small business.

    i certainly hope they have done their homework legally when it comes to this scenario, because it will eventually happen.[/quote]

    I have no problem at all with things being wrapped with ads. However, the idea that some idiot would sue a company that has nothing to do with an accident just because their ad is on a car? THAT infuriates me. But is it really that likely? Has anybody ever sued a company that advertised on a bus after a bus accident?[/quote]

    Who gets sued when this gets in an accident?[/quote]

    These guys.[/quote]

    WELL PLAYED, SIR!

  • Paddy | August 28, 2007 at 1:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”137489″][quote comment=”137468″][quote comment=”137359″][quote comment=”137353″]if I choose to wrap my personal vehicle and get paid for it, what is the problem?[/quote]

    From the perspective of the person who owns the car, no problem at all — assuming you don’t mind turning your car into a billboard (which I would certainly never want to do, but I realize other people may feel differently).

    But from the perspective of everyone else, it’s a further imposition of advertising into public space. Everywhere that car goes, people have to look at a car that is now an ad. It’s another example of how hard it is to find public space that isn’t for sale. Maybe you don’t see that as a problem, but I do.[/quote]

    So are you opposed to billboards, signs in front of stores, etc.? How about Ads by Google on the sides of websites? How about carnival barkers and hotdog carts? How about car companies that put their names on cars? I counted 8 badges and 4 wordmarks on my car when I went to lunch today. How about tractor trailers and delivery trucks? How about the guy who owns a painting/handyman/mowing business and puts his logo and contact info on the side of his vehicle?

    Also, it isn’t public space that is for sale, it is private space. When city does this with muncipal buses, or muncipal vehicles or on a road surface that is public space.

    Finally, I am not trying to be a pain, I am trying to understand your argument on this one because unlike so many of your other views I agree with, I just don’t understand this one.[/quote]

    There’s a big difference between commercial space (a storefront, hot dog cart, a magazine page, my web site) and public space. Even if you’re willing to pay for a billboard, you can’t just put one up anyplace you want on the highway — you have to get a permit or a license. Why? Because the highway is a public resource, maintained by public funds, and it’s in the public interest to regulate the amount of advertising that can appear there.

    And you can’t even get a permit or a license for a billboard on a residential block, because zoning doesn’t allow for it. Why? Because our culture has decided (for now, at least) that big, screaming ads are inappropriate on residential blocks.

    But if I plaster an ad on my car and park it on my residential block, I have imposed a billboard where it doesn’t belong. It’s a clever way to beat the system, but it’s still bad for civic life.[/quote]

    Okay I can see the argument, but then we must also do away with security company, invisible fence, realtor. campaign and ,at least around me, my kid plays HS sports signs.

    Though I still dispute your statement that this is an example of PUBLIC space being for sale.

  • Jared | August 28, 2007 at 1:18 pm |

    Did anyone else notice that Rudi Johnson’s nameplate last night went down onto the white part of the Bengals jersey whereas everyone else’s nameplate stopped on the orange shoulder part as opposed to the white middle part on the jersey?

    –Jared

  • khabibulin | August 28, 2007 at 1:20 pm |

    Shanahan guy: You should take that jersey and burn it and throw it at Shanahan. That piece of shit is one of the reasons the Whale no longer exists. He quit on that team, and he is forever a low life snake in all of hartford. LONG LIVE THE WHALE

  • Paddy | August 28, 2007 at 1:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”137493″]There has been a lot of debate over logo creep, advertising, and the like over the last couple of days. To those of you who argue that there isn’t anything wrong with a company logo on a uni, or the car advertisement: What is your profession? I’m just curoius.[/quote]

    I fit part of this. I have a problem with logo creep on uniforms, and the like, but I have no problem with the car ads. I am a fianacial consultant for public K-12 schools.

  • furrymunsters | August 28, 2007 at 1:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”137389″][quote comment=”137386″]Attention Uni-Watch readers:

    I have a Hartford Whalers home (white) jersey and would like to get Shanahan put on it for a NYR game I am going to later this year. Problem is I cannot find a picture of the back of Shanahan in his home (white) jersey, only his road (dark) jersey. I would like to get a picture so I can be assured I get the correct font on it. I have looked long and hard, but no luck. Can anyone help me out with a picture of the back of shanahan in a Hartford Whaler home jersey? Anyone? Paul?

    I need help!![/quote]

    How about this one?[/quote]
    Wrong font and numbers

  • Teebz | August 28, 2007 at 1:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”137542″]Shanahan guy: You should take that jersey and burn it and throw it at Shanahan. That piece of shit is one of the reasons the Whale no longer exists. He quit on that team, and he is forever a low life snake in all of hartford. LONG LIVE THE WHALE[/quote]

    Um, no. Shanahan left the team because the owner didn’t fulfill his promise to bring in more talent (aka spend more dollars). Shanny led the team in scoring in 95-96 with 44 goals and 34 assists in 74 games. Geoff Sanderson finished in second place on the team that year, 13 points behind Shanahan.

    Blame Peter Karmanos, not Shanahan, for the departure. Had he held up his end of the bargain, the Whale may have lasted longer.

  • Johnny O | August 28, 2007 at 1:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”137539″][quote comment=”137527″][quote comment=”137517″][quote comment=”137514″][quote comment=”137513″]from an insurance and liability standpoint, these small businesses are taking a huge risk.

    suppose ive wrapped my grand cherokee with ugly pool guy (which seems to be a local small business)

    im in a serious accident which kills either a pedestrian or a driver/passenger of another vehicle.

    now, in a lawsuit, not only will i be named, but so will this small business.

    i certainly hope they have done their homework legally when it comes to this scenario, because it will eventually happen.[/quote]

    I have no problem at all with things being wrapped with ads. However, the idea that some idiot would sue a company that has nothing to do with an accident just because their ad is on a car? THAT infuriates me. But is it really that likely? Has anybody ever sued a company that advertised on a bus after a bus accident?[/quote]

    Who gets sued when this gets in an accident?[/quote]

    These guys.[/quote]

    WELL PLAYED, SIR![/quote]
    Technically they are the Klement’s Racing Sausages.. but I will let it slide because A) It was a great comment and B) You gave Wisconsin some love C) Because it is important (reference ESPN commercial)

  • patrick | August 28, 2007 at 1:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”137400″][quote comment=”137395″][quote comment=”137358″]Five Worst NBA Uniforms

    By Lang Whitaker, SI.com

    http://sportsillustr...
    Here’s a Nets uni the SI guy couldn’t find.

    b. frank pupello… tampa bay’s EM?

    Also, Frank Pupello was Tampa Bay’s Equipment manager until 1998 or so. He started in 1976 with the Bucs’ inception as an assistant, worked his way up, and stayed until the Pewter era. I’m sure Paul will have a good write-up, and I am greatly looking forward to it.[/quote]
    Wow, and it took you all of 45 minutes to find a picture. Seems like it would be a requirement for working at si.com that you would be able to do basic research.[/quote]

    thats why they have photo and research teams, so writers dont waste their time NOT writing.

  • Shadeymonk | August 28, 2007 at 1:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”137541″]Did anyone else notice that Rudi Johnson’s nameplate last night went down onto the white part of the Bengals jersey whereas everyone else’s nameplate stopped on the orange shoulder part as opposed to the white middle part on the jersey?

    –Jared[/quote]

    Wasn’t just Rudi, but yea it was bothering the crap out of me

  • Johnny O | August 28, 2007 at 1:43 pm |

    Top 25 College mascots according to MSN.com

    top 25 College mascots

  • furrymunsters | August 28, 2007 at 1:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”137519″][quote comment=”137514″][quote comment=”137513″]from an insurance and liability standpoint, these small businesses are taking a huge risk.

    suppose ive wrapped my grand cherokee with ugly pool guy (which seems to be a local small business)

    im in a serious accident which kills either a pedestrian or a driver/passenger of another vehicle.

    now, in a lawsuit, not only will i be named, but so will this small business.

    i certainly hope they have done their homework legally when it comes to this scenario, because it will eventually happen.[/quote]

    I have no problem at all with things being wrapped with ads. However, the idea that some idiot would sue a company that has nothing to do with an accident just because their ad is on a car? THAT infuriates me. But is it really that likely? Has anybody ever sued a company that advertised on a bus after a bus accident?[/quote]

    if i lose a loved one in an auto accident, and the other vehicle has ANYTHING company related on it, you better believe im naming the driver AND the company.

    i dont care if its painted on, wrapped, or whatever. heck, even if there is a bumper sticker which names a company, they are getting named too.[/quote]
    You are the reason the courts are tied up with bullshit lawsuits! What does the pro sports bumpersticker on a car have to do with a driver being in/causing an accident? If I hit you, will you sue the USA because I have an american flag sticker on my car??????

  • jesse | August 28, 2007 at 1:54 pm |

    If I hit you, will you sue the USA because I have an american flag sticker on my car?

    Can you sue the troops to stop people from putting those yellow ribbons on their car?

  • jimmykim | August 28, 2007 at 1:56 pm |

    this is my first time commenting but i’ve been a long time fan of this blog.

    knowing that mr. lukas is a fan of striped socks and other uniform oddities, i figured this video from 1979 may be of interest. perhaps some of you uniwatchbloggers have already come across it, but nonetheless, here’s the link.

    http://www.youtube.c...

    any comments about these “uniforms”?

  • possum | August 28, 2007 at 2:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”137550″]Top 25 College mascots according to MSN.com

    top 25 College mascots[/quote]
    Tennesse’s Smokey and West Virginia’s Mountaineer? Give me a break. LAME.

  • Banker Bill | August 28, 2007 at 2:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”137427″]For as long as I can remember, the St. Louis Blues have had a foghorn and an organ rendition of “When The Saints Go Marching In” that plays after a goal. They are now considering changing it to some generic crappy guitar-rock to “improve the in-game experience”. The foghorn not only references the riverboat traditions of St. Louis, but back when fans would attend games in their Sunday-best, they would stand and sing “When The (Blues) Go Marching In” before games. Changing this fits the definition of “is it good or is it stupid” and is change for the sake of change.

    One of the reasons I love Uniwatch so much is the feeling of connection with the past when traditions such as classic uniforms are preserved (or when changes are made that respect classic uniforms). This is the same type of thing. I’m asking all of you who agree to go to the following link and vote to keep the “old” goal music. Thank you!
    http://blues.nhl.com...

    Voted for the old – they actually had that on an old EA Hockey game too! However, in my mind, nothing will ever top the sheer brilliance of the Hartford Whalers and “Brass Bonanza”

  • Jim | August 28, 2007 at 2:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”137546″][quote comment=”137542″]Shanahan guy: You should take that jersey and burn it and throw it at Shanahan. That piece of shit is one of the reasons the Whale no longer exists. He quit on that team, and he is forever a low life snake in all of hartford. LONG LIVE THE WHALE[/quote]

    Um, no. Shanahan left the team because the owner didn’t fulfill his promise to bring in more talent (aka spend more dollars). Shanny led the team in scoring in 95-96 with 44 goals and 34 assists in 74 games. Geoff Sanderson finished in second place on the team that year, 13 points behind Shanahan.

    Blame Peter Karmanos, not Shanahan, for the departure. Had he held up his end of the bargain, the Whale may have lasted longer.[/quote]
    Teebz, Thanks for backing me up. I agree, the owner sold out and moved to Carolina for more money, not because Shanny left. Plus he was traded, might have wanted to get traded, but he left on the teams terms, not his. Personally I think there should still be a team in Hartford, better than PHX, TB, FLA, and the list goes on….

  • Luke Larson | August 28, 2007 at 2:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”137441″][quote comment=”137424″][quote comment=”137414″][quote comment=”137404″][quote comment=”137391″][quote comment=”137389″][quote comment=”137386″]Attention Uni-Watch readers:

    I have a Hartford Whalers home (white) jersey and would like to get Shanahan put on it for a NYR game I am going to later this year. Problem is I cannot find a picture of the back of Shanahan in his home (white) jersey, only his road (dark) jersey. I would like to get a picture so I can be assured I get the correct font on it. I have looked long and hard, but no luck. Can anyone help me out with a picture of the back of shanahan in a Hartford Whaler home jersey? Anyone? Paul?

    I need help!![/quote]

    How about this one?[/quote]

    I’m an idiot…sorry, need to find the white one. Stupid Shaftman.[/quote]

    This might help a little.[/quote]
    Yeah I have that, also a pic of the front of Shanny in a home whalers jersey, which shows his #94, and his ‘C’. But no back photo. A back photo would be extremely helpful. Kind of distracted at work looking for one………[/quote]

    It’s not Shanahan but it might help. I’m going on vacation starting Friday and I have nothing to do this week so I got all the time in the world.[/quote]

    Jim!!!

    I am the greatest man alive!!! Check this out!!! The Shanahan one looks authentic to me.[/quote]

    here’s a good one.

  • Andrew F. | August 28, 2007 at 2:06 pm |

    The Minnesota Wild already use ‘Crowd Chant’ as their goal song. Cheap rip off, as far as I’m concerned. Stick with the organ, please…

  • Teebz | August 28, 2007 at 2:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”137560″]
    Teebz, Thanks for backing me up. I agree, the owner sold out and moved to Carolina for more money, not because Shanny left. Plus he was traded, might have wanted to get traded, but he left on the teams terms, not his. Personally I think there should still be a team in Hartford, better than PHX, TB, FLA, and the list goes on….[/quote]

    He did demand a trade once training camp opened. But, honestly, if your boss says he’s going to get you help and then you show up at work and you’re all alone to carry a sagging franchise, wouldn’t you be a little pissed off too?

  • Marty Met | August 28, 2007 at 2:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”137542″]Shanahan guy: You should take that jersey and burn it and throw it at Shanahan. That piece of shit is one of the reasons the Whale no longer exists. He quit on that team, and he is forever a low life snake in all of hartford. LONG LIVE THE WHALE[/quote]

    I would think he’s hated in St. Louis too. My beloved Devils were sent Future HOFer Scott Stevens as compensation when Shanahan signed with the Blues.

  • Adam | August 28, 2007 at 2:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”137534″]I’m with you. Recently the Chicago White Sox have fired their organist and quit playing “Na Na Hey Hey” after home runs. All so they can fit more 50 Cent and Metallica in. Ugh![/quote]

    Not exactly – she wasn’t fired, but now she only does day games, which she says was her choice. You’re mostly right, though, since they didn’t replace her for the night games, even though she says she’d be fine with it. The team still claims to not to be anti-organ, but I don’t think many people believe it.

  • Johnny O | August 28, 2007 at 2:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”137557″][quote comment=”137550″]Top 25 College mascots according to MSN.com

    top 25 College mascots[/quote]
    Tennesse’s Smokey and West Virginia’s Mountaineer? Give me a break. LAME.[/quote]
    Sure the UGA Bulldog has a cute little sweater… but Bucky has a friggin’ sweet red/white striped sweater! I’m biased, but I think it is the best mascot uni in college. On, Wisconsin!

  • Broker75 | August 28, 2007 at 2:11 pm |

    I think there should still be a team in Hartford, better than PHX, TB, FLA,
    I agree, Hartford needs a team. I’m ok with Phoenix only because of Gretzky, but when he leaves, it’s over. TB has a well deserved Stanley Cup, Florida is the one that doesn’t go well with me.

  • Banker Bill | August 28, 2007 at 2:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”137491″][quote comment=”137490″]has anyone checked up on brett myers wife in the last 2 days?

    i certainly hope he didnt go home and take out his frustrations on her the other day…[/quote]
    I’m in the dark here..care to explain?[/quote]

    Myers smacked his wife around after an altercation at a bar last year – and she did what most victims do – tried to STOP the police from pressing charges, even though she clearly was the victim of abuse.

  • Dane | August 28, 2007 at 2:15 pm |

    There are reports that Dale Jr.’s new team is now trying to get the number 38 for his car in 2008.

  • Dan | August 28, 2007 at 2:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”137557″][quote comment=”137550″]Top 25 College mascots according to MSN.com

    top 25 College mascots[/quote]
    Tennesse’s Smokey and West Virginia’s Mountaineer? Give me a break. LAME.[/quote]

    I’m a little bent that Testudo isn’t on there…Fear the Turtle!!!

  • Terri | August 28, 2007 at 2:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”137550″]Top 25 College mascots according to MSN.com

    top 25 College mascots[/quote]

    My favoite line of the whole article- “The first BEVO, too wild to tame, was eventually eaten.”

  • Jason G. | August 28, 2007 at 2:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”137568″]There are reports that Dale Jr.’s new team is now trying to get the number 38 for his car in 2008.[/quote]

    Is this a random number or is it because his dad was #3 and he was #8?

  • Broker75 | August 28, 2007 at 2:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”137569″][quote comment=”137491″][quote comment=”137490″]has anyone checked up on brett myers wife in the last 2 days?

    i certainly hope he didnt go home and take out his frustrations on her the other day…[/quote]
    I’m in the dark here..care to explain?[/quote]

    Myers smacked his wife around after an altercation at a bar last year – and she did what most victims do – tried to STOP the police from pressing charges, even though she clearly was the victim of abuse.[/quote]
    Why is it abuse when the man hits the woman, but when it’s the other way around it’s called my husband is an idiot?

  • Tod H. | August 28, 2007 at 2:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”137572″][quote comment=”137568″]There are reports that Dale Jr.’s new team is now trying to get the number 38 for his car in 2008.[/quote]

    Is this a random number or is it because his dad was #3 and he was #8?[/quote]

    Congrats on figuring that one out. Any more brain busters?

  • skott | August 28, 2007 at 2:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”137466″]Did someone really post yesterday wondering what Manny would wear when the Sox retire his number #24? If they didn’t retire #24 for Dwight Evans, (I can’t figure out why not) what makes you think they would retire it for Manny Ramirez?[/quote]

    the red sox retire numbers for Hall of Famer’s only. Manny WILL be in the hall of fame. Dwight will not.

  • DJ | August 28, 2007 at 2:28 pm |

    I’m with you. Recently the Chicago White Sox have fired their organist and quit playing “Na Na Hey Hey” after home runs. All so they can fit more 50 Cent and Metallica in. Ugh!

    Not exactly – she wasn’t fired, but now she only does day games, which she says was her choice.

    Nancy Faust lives in Wisconsin. To get to the park, she has to take the Dan Ryan, which is being reconstructed. Traffic is a nightmare.

  • Anthony Verna | August 28, 2007 at 2:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”137575″][quote comment=”137466″]Did someone really post yesterday wondering what Manny would wear when the Sox retire his number #24? If they didn’t retire #24 for Dwight Evans, (I can’t figure out why not) what makes you think they would retire it for Manny Ramirez?[/quote]

    the red sox retire numbers for Hall of Famer’s only. Manny WILL be in the hall of fame. Dwight will not.[/quote]

    I thought there was another component to it – such as ending your career in Boston.

  • Banker Bill | August 28, 2007 at 2:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”137573″][quote comment=”137569″][quote comment=”137491″][quote comment=”137490″]has anyone checked up on brett myers wife in the last 2 days?

    i certainly hope he didnt go home and take out his frustrations on her the other day…[/quote]
    I’m in the dark here..care to explain?[/quote]

    Myers smacked his wife around after an altercation at a bar last year – and she did what most victims do – tried to STOP the police from pressing charges, even though she clearly was the victim of abuse.[/quote]
    Why is it abuse when the man hits the woman, but when it’s the other way around it’s called my husband is an idiot?[/quote]

    Usually, the woman slaps the man because he’s an idiot – he punched her in the face like one of his frat buddies or something. He’s a low-life.

  • Mark in Cincy | August 28, 2007 at 2:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”137549″][quote comment=”137541″]Did anyone else notice that Rudi Johnson’s nameplate last night went down onto the white part of the Bengals jersey whereas everyone else’s nameplate stopped on the orange shoulder part as opposed to the white middle part on the jersey?

    –Jared[/quote]

    Wasn’t just Rudi, but yea it was bothering the crap out of me[/quote]
    Thank you for noticing that, my wife saw it and was bugged as well (she may finally “Get It”). It seemed that a majority of the players had the dropped nameplate. From memory, the only correctly placed plates i saw were Carson Palmer and Chad Johnson. I didn’t see any others with the first team offense . . . of course, i can tell you exactly what Suzy Kolber and Chris Mortenson were wearing, since their interview was more important than the game . . .

  • Chris | August 28, 2007 at 2:34 pm |

    Can anybody find a picture of the socks Brian Daubach wore for boston around 99 or 2000? those were unreal.

  • Chad G | August 28, 2007 at 2:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”137550″]Top 25 College mascots according to MSN.com

    top 25 College mascots[/quote]

    No Nittany Lion, what a joke…

  • Jim | August 28, 2007 at 2:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”137564″][quote comment=”137542″]Shanahan guy: You should take that jersey and burn it and throw it at Shanahan. That piece of shit is one of the reasons the Whale no longer exists. He quit on that team, and he is forever a low life snake in all of hartford. LONG LIVE THE WHALE[/quote]

    I would think he’s hated in St. Louis too. My beloved Devils were sent Future HOFer Scott Stevens as compensation when Shanahan signed with the Blues.[/quote]
    Actually Shanahan was loved in St. Louis, when he was traded to HAR for Pronger, there was an uproar and local TV actually interupted live TV to break the news of him being traded.

  • Shaftman | August 28, 2007 at 2:45 pm |

    NSFUW
    (Not Safe For Uni-Watch)

  • Sage Confucius | August 28, 2007 at 2:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”137386″]Attention Uni-Watch readers:

    I have a Hartford Whalers home (white) jersey and would like to get Shanahan put on it for a NYR game I am going to later this year. Problem is I cannot find a picture of the back of Shanahan in his home (white) jersey, only his road (dark) jersey. I would like to get a picture so I can be assured I get the correct font on it. I have looked long and hard, but no luck. Can anyone help me out with a picture of the back of shanahan in a Hartford Whaler home jersey? Anyone? Paul?

    I need help!![/quote]

    I see that someone linked to a picture already, but this one is a bit larger. I’m not sure it will help, but here it is.

  • Robert | August 28, 2007 at 2:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”137568″]There are reports that Dale Jr.’s new team is now trying to get the number 38 for his car in 2008.[/quote]

    Why 38? Someone else has that number now, right? I seem to recall Elliott Sadler driving the 38 car a year or two ago.

  • Luke Larson | August 28, 2007 at 2:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”137580″]Can anybody find a picture of the socks Brian Daubach wore for boston around 99 or 2000? those were unreal.[/quote]

    here’s a good picture of dirt.

    they look very, very similar to the ones tony c used to wear.

  • Stuby | August 28, 2007 at 2:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”137577″][quote comment=”137575″][quote comment=”137466″]Did someone really post yesterday wondering what Manny would wear when the Sox retire his number #24? If they didn’t retire #24 for Dwight Evans, (I can’t figure out why not) what makes you think they would retire it for Manny Ramirez?[/quote]

    the red sox retire numbers for Hall of Famer’s only. Manny WILL be in the hall of fame. Dwight will not.[/quote]

    I thought there was another component to it – such as ending your career in Boston.[/quote]
    That is a ridiculous policy employed by the Red Sox (and Giants); You let a vote by a bunch of sportswriters determine whether you will honor a member of your own team? No, Dwight Evans isn’t in the HOF but he played 19 seasons in Boston and hit 379 HRs there (a good amount for the 70s and 80s).

    My Giants retired Orlando Cepeda’s #30, despite the fact that he played only 8+ seasons in SF, because he got into the HOF. I don’t see how the HOF and honoring one of your own players are connected at all.

  • todd krevanchi | August 28, 2007 at 2:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”137577″][quote comment=”137575″][quote comment=”137466″]Did someone really post yesterday wondering what Manny would wear when the Sox retire his number #24? If they didn’t retire #24 for Dwight Evans, (I can’t figure out why not) what makes you think they would retire it for Manny Ramirez?[/quote]

    the red sox retire numbers for Hall of Famer’s only. Manny WILL be in the hall of fame. Dwight will not.[/quote]

    I thought there was another component to it – such as ending your career in Boston.[/quote]

    pudge fisk didnt end his career in boston…

  • Andy--01 | August 28, 2007 at 2:57 pm |

    Shanahan guy: You should take that jersey and burn it and throw it at Shanahan. That piece of shit is one of the reasons the Whale no longer exists. He quit on that team, and he is forever a low life snake in all of hartford. LONG LIVE THE WHALE

    I would think he’s hated in St. Louis too. My beloved Devils were sent Future HOFer Scott Stevens as compensation when Shanahan signed with the Blues.

    To echo comment #162 (Jim), Shanny was a HUGE fan favorite, even after he was traded. His trade became the face for all the bad moves that Mike Keenan kept making. Of course, two things finally killed that – Pronger becoming a stud and Shanny becoming a Red Wing. His first game back in St Louis as a Whaler was very difficult to get tickets for.

    But, you’re right about the Stevens thing. That one still hurts, but we’re pissed at the league for screwing us. We had to give up 5 #1 picks for signing him as a free agent, then had to give him up the next year for signing Shanahan.

  • Jason G. | August 28, 2007 at 2:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”137574″][quote comment=”137572″][quote comment=”137568″]There are reports that Dale Jr.’s new team is now trying to get the number 38 for his car in 2008.[/quote]

    Is this a random number or is it because his dad was #3 and he was #8?[/quote]

    Congrats on figuring that one out. Any more brain busters?[/quote]

    You don’t have to be rude. I think it was a legitimate question given the fairly recent topic of why people have the numbers that they do. Also the whole #3 and #8 thing may not be as obvious to people who live in places other than the US.

  • Rene Moll | August 28, 2007 at 3:02 pm |

    I KNOW THIS IS AN OLD TOPIC BUT I STILL FOUND IT INTERESTING AND NEWS TO ME AND MAYBE EVEN PAUL:
    5 Carl Barger, team president who died just prior to the start of the Marlins’ first season. The number, in honor of Barger’s favorite player, Joe DiMaggio, was retired during a pre-game ceremony before their first-ever regular season game in 1993, culminated by DiMaggio himself throwing the ceremonial first pitch.

  • todd krevanchi | August 28, 2007 at 3:03 pm |

    dont get me started on the baseball HOF and its standards and practices vs. that of other leagues.

    im not a yankee fan at all, but don mattingly was a baseball hall of fame kinda player, yet he will never get in. i view harold baines in the same light, yet he will never get in. why? they dont have 3000 hits.

    a hall of fame career cannot be measured by any 1 given stat and whether you achieved that or not.

  • Dane | August 28, 2007 at 3:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”137586″][quote comment=”137568″]There are reports that Dale Jr.’s new team is now trying to get the number 38 for his car in 2008.[/quote]

    Why 38? Someone else has that number now, right? I seem to recall Elliott Sadler driving the 38 car a year or two ago.[/quote]

    Nothing specific was mentioned as to why they are seeking 38, but I think we’ve got the Sr. & Jr. thing figured out.

    David Gilliand is driving the number 38 this year for Yates Racing. The Yates team also has the rights to 28, which has not been used in five years.

  • Shaeff | August 28, 2007 at 3:07 pm |

    That ION helmet is awesome looking and so is LT’s facemask.

    And the revolution maskes (like Peyton’s) were goofy when they first came out, but they are getting better, looking more like normal facemasks.

  • Jason G. | August 28, 2007 at 3:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”137595″][quote comment=”137586″][quote comment=”137568″]There are reports that Dale Jr.’s new team is now trying to get the number 38 for his car in 2008.[/quote]

    Why 38? Someone else has that number now, right? I seem to recall Elliott Sadler driving the 38 car a year or two ago.[/quote]

    Nothing specific was mentioned as to why they are seeking 38, but I think we’ve got the Sr. & Jr. thing figured out.

    David Gilliand is driving the number 38 this year for Yates Racing. The Yates team also has the rights to 28, which has not been used in five years.[/quote]

    ESPN’s article does actually mention the Sr./Jr. thing.

    http://sports.espn.g...

  • Jeremy | August 28, 2007 at 3:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”137567″]I think there should still be a team in Hartford, better than PHX, TB, FLA,
    I agree, Hartford needs a team. I’m ok with Phoenix only because of Gretzky, but when he leaves, it’s over. TB has a well deserved Stanley Cup, Florida is the one that doesn’t go well with me.[/quote]
    One of the main reasons that Hartford no longer has a team is because their arena was dilapidated and there were no future plans for a new arena in sight. That, and despite the fact that I’m sure they were wildly popular, Hartford could simply not support the franchise. It has nothing to do with any certain player, and to pick on someone like Shanahan is low. Everywhere he’s gone he has been loved because of his gritty play. I hope he remains a Ranger for years to come.

  • Broker75 | August 28, 2007 at 3:14 pm |

    This beast should get more respect from the city of Buffalo-uni wise.

  • Stuby | August 28, 2007 at 3:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”137596″]That ION helmet is awesome looking and so is LT’s facemask.

    And the revolution maskes (like Peyton’s) were goofy when they first came out, but they are getting better, looking more like normal facemasks.[/quote]
    To me, the Revolution facemasks look exactly the same as when they first came out and this still looks goofy as Hell.

  • Garfield | August 28, 2007 at 3:17 pm |

    about the mariners spring training jerseys, i know they have worn them 3 times and i know that the two times i remembered against the white sox and rangers jeff weaver was pitching, maybe that is something where he chose the uniform to wear

  • Jason G. | August 28, 2007 at 3:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”137599″]This beast should get more respect from the city of Buffalo-uni wise.[/quote]

    Or maybe this beast.

  • Garfield | August 28, 2007 at 3:20 pm |

    check out this awesome wiffle ball stadium

    http://www.littlefen...

  • todd krevanchi | August 28, 2007 at 3:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”137599″]This beast should get more respect from the city of Buffalo-uni wise.[/quote]

    i always thought that the bison looked like this guy in this pic
    http://brettandshann...

  • Marty Met | August 28, 2007 at 3:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”137591″]

    Shanahan guy: You should take that jersey and burn it and throw it at Shanahan. That piece of shit is one of the reasons the Whale no longer exists. He quit on that team, and he is forever a low life snake in all of hartford. LONG LIVE THE WHALE

    I would think he’s hated in St. Louis too. My beloved Devils were sent Future HOFer Scott Stevens as compensation when Shanahan signed with the Blues.

    To echo comment #162 (Jim), Shanny was a HUGE fan favorite, even after he was traded. His trade became the face for all the bad moves that Mike Keenan kept making. Of course, two things finally killed that – Pronger becoming a stud and Shanny becoming a Red Wing. His first game back in St Louis as a Whaler was very difficult to get tickets for.

    But, you’re right about the Stevens thing. That one still hurts, but we’re pissed at the league for screwing us. We had to give up 5 #1 picks for signing him as a free agent, then had to give him up the next year for signing Shanahan.[/quote]

    He wasn’t a favorite in New Jersey, not hated or anything but sort of just there. Stevens on the other hand is possibly the most loved Devil ever.

  • Griff | August 28, 2007 at 3:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”137600″][quote comment=”137596″]That ION helmet is awesome looking and so is LT’s facemask.

    And the revolution maskes (like Peyton’s) were goofy when they first came out, but they are getting better, looking more like normal facemasks.[/quote]
    To me, the Revolution facemasks look exactly the same as when they first came out and this still looks goofy as Hell.[/quote]

    They may look a little goofy, but they help reduce concussions by a great deal. I wore one of the Revolution helmets when they first came out back in high school, and I coul never go back to wearing an old one. The Revolutions just fit better, and prevent a lot of hits to your jaw because of the low set facemask. Being an athletic trainer, i’m a supporter of reducing injuries and of the Ridell and Schutt “new-wave” helmets!!!!

  • Randy | August 28, 2007 at 3:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”137592″]Also the whole #3 and #8 thing may not be as obvious to people who live in places other than the US.[/quote]

    Or to people who have cars that can make right turns.

  • Rydell M. | August 28, 2007 at 3:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”137602″][quote comment=”137599″]This beast should get more respect from the city of Buffalo-uni wise.[/quote]

    Or maybe this beast.[/quote]
    This should be placed on Florida’s helmet.

  • possum | August 28, 2007 at 3:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”137566″][quote comment=”137557″][quote comment=”137550″]Top 25 College mascots according to MSN.com

    top 25 College mascots[/quote]
    Tennesse’s Smokey and West Virginia’s Mountaineer? Give me a break. LAME.[/quote]
    Sure the UGA Bulldog has a cute little sweater… but Bucky has a friggin’ sweet red/white striped sweater! I’m biased, but I think it is the best mascot uni in college. On, Wisconsin![/quote]
    You can’t top Norm the Niner!

  • Jason G. | August 28, 2007 at 3:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”137607″][quote comment=”137592″]Also the whole #3 and #8 thing may not be as obvious to people who live in places other than the US.[/quote]

    Or to people who have cars that can make right turns.[/quote]

    NASCAR cars can make right turns, but it’s only during certain weekends of the year.

  • Stuby | August 28, 2007 at 3:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”137606″][quote comment=”137600″][quote comment=”137596″]That ION helmet is awesome looking and so is LT’s facemask.

    And the revolution maskes (like Peyton’s) were goofy when they first came out, but they are getting better, looking more like normal facemasks.[/quote]
    To me, the Revolution facemasks look exactly the same as when they first came out and this still looks goofy as Hell.[/quote]

    They may look a little goofy, but they help reduce concussions by a great deal. I wore one of the Revolution helmets when they first came out back in high school, and I coul never go back to wearing an old one. The Revolutions just fit better, and prevent a lot of hits to your jaw because of the low set facemask. Being an athletic trainer, i’m a supporter of reducing injuries and of the Ridell and Schutt “new-wave” helmets!!!![/quote]
    I understand that. But can’t Riddell make ’em look less like the Great Gazoo from the Flintstones? Its the aesthetics we’re talking about.

  • Mike Randleman | August 28, 2007 at 3:43 pm |

    I don’t know if this has been mentioned but in Sunday’s Little League finals Dalton Carriker of the Georgia team was wearing football cleats. This is the best view I could find.

  • Mike Randleman | August 28, 2007 at 3:44 pm |
  • Shaftman | August 28, 2007 at 3:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”137616″]http://asp.usatoday.com/_common/_scripts/big_picture.aspx?width=490&height=402&storyURL=/sports/baseball/llws/2007-08-26-sunday-roundup_N.htm&imageURL=http://i.usatoday.net/sports/_photos/2007/08/26/llwsx-large.jpg”>[/quote]

    Look ma…I can fly.

  • David | August 28, 2007 at 3:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”137529″][quote comment=”137524″][quote comment=”137423″][quote comment=”137409″]when i see those sixers uni’s mentioned in that SI article i think nothing but of Shawn Bradley, Manute Bol, and Hersey Hawkins. and also how bad those teams were, i hated that uniform..i wish they would go back to their old uni’s, i was always a fan of the “PHILA” ones as well.[/quote]

    Michael, I hear you loudly and clearly.

    Have you seen the Sixers current alternate uniform? It’s sweet.[/quote]

    i wouldn’t go so far as to say it’s sweet…it’s definitely sweeter, especially with the red coming back, but the sixers really need to ditch that design and go old-school again. my vote is for the 1976-77 design or at least something close to that or to what they wore in the 80s. with iverson gone, it’s time to bring a new identity to this team and bring back some old fans.[/quote]

    Are you saying that people aren’t going because of the jersey design?[/quote]

    i’d have to check the attendance stats, but i’m pretty sure games weren’t all sold out last year. i’m in the philly area and know that, in general, people have stopped taking interest in the last few years because of the mediocrity. and, in general, when a team tries to rebuild, isn’t part of the process coming up with a new identity, i.e., uniform? mo cheeks and moses are back. world b. free has been there. i say, bring back the casual fan with a restored look of old.

  • todd krevanchi | August 28, 2007 at 4:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”137603″]check out this awesome wiffle ball stadium

    http://www.littlefen...

    my favorite comic, john caponera, links to this field on his site…
    http://www.chicagojo...
    although both wiffle fields, they are 2 different types

    i dont care how old you get, wiffle ball (or whatever variation you played growing up) should always remain dear to you.

  • Tony | August 28, 2007 at 4:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”137590″][quote comment=”137577″][quote comment=”137575″][quote comment=”137466″]Did someone really post yesterday wondering what Manny would wear when the Sox retire his number #24? If they didn’t retire #24 for Dwight Evans, (I can’t figure out why not) what makes you think they would retire it for Manny Ramirez?[/quote]

    the red sox retire numbers for Hall of Famer’s only. Manny WILL be in the hall of fame. Dwight will not.[/quote]

    I thought there was another component to it – such as ending your career in Boston.[/quote]

    pudge fisk didnt end his career in boston…[/quote]

    It is a requirement that the player be in the HOF and “retire” as a Red Sox. They got around that with Fisk, as another poster explained, by giving him a basically ceremonial position with the team and saying he was “finishing his carrer” with the Red Sox. Pretty lame, but true.

  • Tony | August 28, 2007 at 4:15 pm |

    Sorry. Career. Typo.

  • Stuby | August 28, 2007 at 4:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”137620″][quote comment=”137590″][quote comment=”137577″][quote comment=”137575″][quote comment=”137466″]Did someone really post yesterday wondering what Manny would wear when the Sox retire his number #24? If they didn’t retire #24 for Dwight Evans, (I can’t figure out why not) what makes you think they would retire it for Manny Ramirez?[/quote]

    the red sox retire numbers for Hall of Famer’s only. Manny WILL be in the hall of fame. Dwight will not.[/quote]

    I thought there was another component to it – such as ending your career in Boston.[/quote]

    pudge fisk didnt end his career in boston…[/quote]

    It is a requirement that the player be in the HOF and “retire” as a Red Sox. They got around that with Fisk, as another poster explained, by giving him a basically ceremonial position with the team and saying he was “finishing his carrer” with the Red Sox. Pretty lame, but true.[/quote]
    So no Jim Rice (yet), no Dwight Evans, no Roger Clemens (unless something strange happens) but theoretically Greg Maddux could pitch for the Sox next year and retire, then get his number retired when he goes in the HOF?

    Am I the only one bothered by the HOF = Retired Number equation? Are there other teams besides the Red Sox and Giants that use that stipulation?

  • Rydell M. | August 28, 2007 at 4:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”137599″]This beast should get more respect from the city of Buffalo-uni wise.[/quote]
    Speaking of giving respect to your mascot, yeah, this guy deserves more

  • Drew | August 28, 2007 at 4:46 pm |

    PAUL, IN THIS AUBURN UNDER ARMOUR AD, I THINK ITS SAFE TO SAY THESE AREN’T EVEN THE UA JERSEYS. I THINK THEY ARE THE RUSSELL ONES WITH THE UA LOGO SLAPPED ON. YOU CAN TELL BECAUSE THE SLEEVES FIT DIFFERENTLY ON THE UA ONES AND THE NUMBERS SIT A LITTLE DIFFERENT TOO. ALSO, THE UA ‘AUBURN’ TEXT BELOW THE COLLAR IS SHORTER AND THE RUSSELL TEXT IS THE SAME AS THE ONE IN THE PHOTO. ALSO, AUBURN WEARS SHORTER SOCKS AND ALSO THE INTERLOCKING ‘AU’ LOGO SHOULD BE ON THE PANTS BUT IT IS NOT. JUST A THOUGHT.

    THE FAKE AD- http://static.flickr...

    REAL UNDER ARMOUR-
    http://delivery.view...

    OLD RUSSELL UNIS-
    http://i.a.cnn.net/s...

    WHAT DO YOU THINK?

  • Paul Lukas | August 28, 2007 at 5:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”137625″]WHAT DO YOU THINK?[/quote]

    I think you need to hit the “Caps Lock” key.

  • =bg= | August 28, 2007 at 5:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”137405″][quote comment=”137358″]Five Worst NBA Uniforms

    By Lang Whitaker, SI.com

    http://sportsillustr...

    Anyone have any photos of the New Jersey Nets 90 Tie Die uniforms?[/quote]

    The Clippers arent on there?

  • jeff | August 28, 2007 at 5:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”137622″][quote comment=”137620″][quote comment=”137590″][quote comment=”137577″][quote comment=”137575″][quote comment=”137466″]Did someone really post yesterday wondering what Manny would wear when the Sox retire his number #24? If they didn’t retire #24 for Dwight Evans, (I can’t figure out why not) what makes you think they would retire it for Manny Ramirez?[/quote]

    the red sox retire numbers for Hall of Famer’s only. Manny WILL be in the hall of fame. Dwight will not.[/quote]

    I thought there was another component to it – such as ending your career in Boston.[/quote]

    pudge fisk didnt end his career in boston…[/quote]

    It is a requirement that the player be in the HOF and “retire” as a Red Sox. They got around that with Fisk, as another poster explained, by giving him a basically ceremonial position with the team and saying he was “finishing his carrer” with the Red Sox. Pretty lame, but true.[/quote]
    So no Jim Rice (yet), no Dwight Evans, no Roger Clemens (unless something strange happens) but theoretically Greg Maddux could pitch for the Sox next year and retire, then get his number retired when he goes in the HOF?

    Am I the only one bothered by the HOF = Retired Number equation? Are there other teams besides the Red Sox and Giants that use that stipulation?[/quote]

    The Sox also require a player to spend 10 years in the organization in order to retire a number. Unless Manny puts in 3 more years, #24 would not be retired.

    However, the team has also “informally” retired several numbers. Who wants to be the next player to wear #5 or #21, for example?

    And Pesky’s number is not retired. Number 6 is currently worn by Johnny Pesky, who is still a uniformed coach, but just not for games.

    Some teams retire too few numbers. Some retire too many. I like that the Sox have a firm criteria for retiring numbers.

  • =bg= | August 28, 2007 at 5:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”137628″][quote comment=”137625″]WHAT DO YOU THINK?[/quote]

    I think you need to hit the “Caps Lock” key.[/quote]

    ROFL

  • gopherboy | August 28, 2007 at 5:25 pm |

    Bucky the badger instead of Goldy Gopher? Cmon now… At least they could have put the WKU Big Red blob mascot or an SIU saluki. booo

  • Papke | August 28, 2007 at 5:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”137447″][quote comment=”137427″]For as long as I can remember, the St. Louis Blues have had a foghorn and an organ rendition of “When The Saints Go Marching In” that plays after a goal. They are now considering changing it to some generic crappy guitar-rock to “improve the in-game experience”. The foghorn not only references the riverboat traditions of St. Louis, but back when fans would attend games in their Sunday-best, they would stand and sing “When The (Blues) Go Marching In” before games. Changing this fits the definition of “is it good or is it stupid” and is change for the sake of change.

    One of the reasons I love Uniwatch so much is the feeling of connection with the past when traditions such as classic uniforms are preserved (or when changes are made that respect classic uniforms). This is the same type of thing. I’m asking all of you who agree to go to the following link and vote to keep the “old” goal music. Thank you!
    http://blues.nhl.com...

    As a fan who grew up at the “old Barn” watching Blues Hockey, as my Dad was the box office manager for the Blues back in the day…..I can’t believe they would even THINK of changing the music and horn tradition played after a Blues goal…Thanks for linking this man….my vote is in!..[/quote]
    As a die hard Blues fan, I can’t believe they want to mess with the horn and the the song. Please don’t screw this up JD and Mr. Checketts. Long live the horn!

  • Tony | August 28, 2007 at 5:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”137631″][quote comment=”137622″][quote comment=”137620″][quote comment=”137590″][quote comment=”137577″][quote comment=”137575″][quote comment=”137466″]Did someone really post yesterday wondering what Manny would wear when the Sox retire his number #24? If they didn’t retire #24 for Dwight Evans, (I can’t figure out why not) what makes you think they would retire it for Manny Ramirez?[/quote]

    the red sox retire numbers for Hall of Famer’s only. Manny WILL be in the hall of fame. Dwight will not.[/quote]

    I thought there was another component to it – such as ending your career in Boston.[/quote]

    pudge fisk didnt end his career in boston…[/quote]

    It is a requirement that the player be in the HOF and “retire” as a Red Sox. They got around that with Fisk, as another poster explained, by giving him a basically ceremonial position with the team and saying he was “finishing his carrer” with the Red Sox. Pretty lame, but true.[/quote]
    So no Jim Rice (yet), no Dwight Evans, no Roger Clemens (unless something strange happens) but theoretically Greg Maddux could pitch for the Sox next year and retire, then get his number retired when he goes in the HOF?

    Am I the only one bothered by the HOF = Retired Number equation? Are there other teams besides the Red Sox and Giants that use that stipulation?[/quote]

    The Sox also require a player to spend 10 years in the organization in order to retire a number. Unless Manny puts in 3 more years, #24 would not be retired.

    However, the team has also “informally” retired several numbers. Who wants to be the next player to wear #5 or #21, for example?

    And Pesky’s number is not retired. Number 6 is currently worn by Johnny Pesky, who is still a uniformed coach, but just not for games.

    Some teams retire too few numbers. Some retire too many. I like that the Sox have a firm criteria for retiring numbers.[/quote]

    A “firm” criteria that they finagled to retire Number 27. In my mind, if you are going to have these criteria, then you should stick to them. What has frustrated a lot of Sox fans is that they bent the rules, their own rules, to get Fisk’s number retired, but they won’t retire Conigliaro’s #25.

  • joe | August 28, 2007 at 5:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”137519″][quote comment=”137514″][quote comment=”137513″]from an insurance and liability standpoint, these small businesses are taking a huge risk.

    suppose ive wrapped my grand cherokee with ugly pool guy (which seems to be a local small business)

    im in a serious accident which kills either a pedestrian or a driver/passenger of another vehicle.

    now, in a lawsuit, not only will i be named, but so will this small business.

    i certainly hope they have done their homework legally when it comes to this scenario, because it will eventually happen.[/quote]

    I have no problem at all with things being wrapped with ads. However, the idea that some idiot would sue a company that has nothing to do with an accident just because their ad is on a car? THAT infuriates me. But is it really that likely? Has anybody ever sued a company that advertised on a bus after a bus accident?[/quote]

    if i lose a loved one in an auto accident, and the other vehicle has ANYTHING company related on it, you better believe im naming the driver AND the company.

    i dont care if its painted on, wrapped, or whatever. heck, even if there is a bumper sticker which names a company, they are getting named too.[/quote]

    and you are one of the reasons that the legal system in this country is fucked up and ineffective.

  • UW justin | August 28, 2007 at 5:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”137638″][quote comment=”137631″][quote comment=”137622″][quote comment=”137620″][quote comment=”137590″][quote comment=”137577″][quote comment=”137575″][quote comment=”137466″]Did someone really post yesterday wondering what Manny would wear when the Sox retire his number #24? If they didn’t retire #24 for Dwight Evans, (I can’t figure out why not) what makes you think they would retire it for Manny Ramirez?[/quote]

    the red sox retire numbers for Hall of Famer’s only. Manny WILL be in the hall of fame. Dwight will not.[/quote]

    I thought there was another component to it – such as ending your career in Boston.[/quote]

    pudge fisk didnt end his career in boston…[/quote]

    It is a requirement that the player be in the HOF and “retire” as a Red Sox. They got around that with Fisk, as another poster explained, by giving him a basically ceremonial position with the team and saying he was “finishing his carrer” with the Red Sox. Pretty lame, but true.[/quote]
    So no Jim Rice (yet), no Dwight Evans, no Roger Clemens (unless something strange happens) but theoretically Greg Maddux could pitch for the Sox next year and retire, then get his number retired when he goes in the HOF?

    Am I the only one bothered by the HOF = Retired Number equation? Are there other teams besides the Red Sox and Giants that use that stipulation?[/quote]

    The Sox also require a player to spend 10 years in the organization in order to retire a number. Unless Manny puts in 3 more years, #24 would not be retired.

    However, the team has also “informally” retired several numbers. Who wants to be the next player to wear #5 or #21, for example?

    And Pesky’s number is not retired. Number 6 is currently worn by Johnny Pesky, who is still a uniformed coach, but just not for games.

    Some teams retire too few numbers. Some retire too many. I like that the Sox have a firm criteria for retiring numbers.[/quote]

    A “firm” criteria that they finagled to retire Number 27. In my mind, if you are going to have these criteria, then you should stick to them. What has frustrated a lot of Sox fans is that they bent the rules, their own rules, to get Fisk’s number retired, but they won’t retire Conigliaro’s #25.[/quote]

    Didn’t play 10 years with the team and isn’t a HOFer. Not exactly the same thing as Pudge…

  • Stuby | August 28, 2007 at 5:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”137638″][quote comment=”137631″][quote comment=”137622″][quote comment=”137620″][quote comment=”137590″][quote comment=”137577″][quote comment=”137575″][quote comment=”137466″]Did someone really post yesterday wondering what Manny would wear when the Sox retire his number #24? If they didn’t retire #24 for Dwight Evans, (I can’t figure out why not) what makes you think they would retire it for Manny Ramirez?[/quote]

    the red sox retire numbers for Hall of Famer’s only. Manny WILL be in the hall of fame. Dwight will not.[/quote]

    I thought there was another component to it – such as ending your career in Boston.[/quote]

    pudge fisk didnt end his career in boston…[/quote]

    It is a requirement that the player be in the HOF and “retire” as a Red Sox. They got around that with Fisk, as another poster explained, by giving him a basically ceremonial position with the team and saying he was “finishing his carrer” with the Red Sox. Pretty lame, but true.[/quote]
    So no Jim Rice (yet), no Dwight Evans, no Roger Clemens (unless something strange happens) but theoretically Greg Maddux could pitch for the Sox next year and retire, then get his number retired when he goes in the HOF?

    Am I the only one bothered by the HOF = Retired Number equation? Are there other teams besides the Red Sox and Giants that use that stipulation?[/quote]

    The Sox also require a player to spend 10 years in the organization in order to retire a number. Unless Manny puts in 3 more years, #24 would not be retired.

    However, the team has also “informally” retired several numbers. Who wants to be the next player to wear #5 or #21, for example?

    And Pesky’s number is not retired. Number 6 is currently worn by Johnny Pesky, who is still a uniformed coach, but just not for games.

    Some teams retire too few numbers. Some retire too many. I like that the Sox have a firm criteria for retiring numbers.[/quote]

    A “firm” criteria that they finagled to retire Number 27. In my mind, if you are going to have these criteria, then you should stick to them. What has frustrated a lot of Sox fans is that they bent the rules, their own rules, to get Fisk’s number retired, but they won’t retire Conigliaro’s #25.[/quote]
    And what, exactly, does “informally retired” mean? If they won’t issue it, thats retired in my book.

  • Jonathan | August 28, 2007 at 5:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”137377″]Just wanted to thank Paul for the awesome bracelet I received last night. People in my office are sooooo jealous of me now.

    Free plug for…D’artagnan
    Thanks again..[/quote]
    I just checked my mail and was pleased to see a package with my bracelet in there today as well. Thanks Paul!

  • Carl G | August 28, 2007 at 5:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”137525″][quote comment=”137519″][quote comment=”137514″][quote comment=”137513″]from an insurance and liability standpoint, these small businesses are taking a huge risk.

    suppose ive wrapped my grand cherokee with ugly pool guy (which seems to be a local small business)

    im in a serious accident which kills either a pedestrian or a driver/passenger of another vehicle.

    now, in a lawsuit, not only will i be named, but so will this small business.

    i certainly hope they have done their homework legally when it comes to this scenario, because it will eventually happen.[/quote]

    I have no problem at all with things being wrapped with ads. However, the idea that some idiot would sue a company that has nothing to do with an accident just because their ad is on a car? THAT infuriates me. But is it really that likely? Has anybody ever sued a company that advertised on a bus after a bus accident?[/quote]

    if i lose a loved one in an auto accident, and the other vehicle has ANYTHING company related on it, you better believe im naming the driver AND the company.

    i dont care if its painted on, wrapped, or whatever. heck, even if there is a bumper sticker which names a company, they are getting named too.[/quote]

    And that precisely is wrong with our society…

    what about the signs people put outside their houses that say “Vote for (fill in the blank)”

    should they not be permitted as well?[/quote]

    The “vote for” signs are different because there are issues of free speech and association, which are analyzed much more stringently than a paid advertisement. If you tried to take them away, it is likely a court would say they have a right to display them. Paid advertisements are generally not granted the same protections

    While the company might get bad publicity from an accident, unless they purchased the car for the driver or otherwise own the car, they have no liability. You could sue them, but they would do a motion to dismiss and the case would be gone. There would be no reason to settle. Defendant might even get court costs

  • VandyDelphia Mike | August 28, 2007 at 6:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”137622″]Are there other teams besides the Red Sox and Giants that use that stipulation?[/quote]

    It appears that the Philadelphia Phillies use that designation too, as all of their retired numbers are in the Hall of Fame.

    1 – Richie Ashburn
    14- Jim Bunning
    20 – Mike Schmidt
    32 – Steve Carlton
    36 – Robin Roberts

    However, Ashburn’s 1 had been retired prior to his entry into the Hall of Fame. So the rule perhaps just isn’t that old, or was one way of getting around retiring 14 for Pete Rose. It sure wasn’t going to be retired for Jeff Stone …

  • Poo Holes | August 28, 2007 at 6:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”137427″]For as long as I can remember, the St. Louis Blues have had a foghorn and an organ rendition of “When The Saints Go Marching In” that plays after a goal. They are now considering changing it to some generic crappy guitar-rock to “improve the in-game experience”. The foghorn not only references the riverboat traditions of St. Louis, but back when fans would attend games in their Sunday-best, they would stand and sing “When The (Blues) Go Marching In” before games. Changing this fits the definition of “is it good or is it stupid” and is change for the sake of change.

    One of the reasons I love Uniwatch so much is the feeling of connection with the past when traditions such as classic uniforms are preserved (or when changes are made that respect classic uniforms). This is the same type of thing. I’m asking all of you who agree to go to the following link and vote to keep the “old” goal music. Thank you!
    http://blues.nhl.com...
    Was just listening to local sports radio and heard a “sneak preview” of the new Blues sweater. The source described “pinstriping” (assume piping) on the sleeves/armpit area and “a horizontal stripe” across the front of the breezers “in the thigh area”.

    Good grief.

  • Jonee | August 28, 2007 at 7:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”137630″][quote comment=”137405″][quote comment=”137358″]Five Worst NBA Uniforms

    By Lang Whitaker, SI.com

    http://sportsillustr...

    Anyone have any photos of the New Jersey Nets 90 Tie Die uniforms?[/quote]

    The Clippers arent on there?[/quote]

    What’s wrong with the Clips’ uniforms?

  • LT | August 28, 2007 at 7:29 pm |

    That holes in that new Ion helmet reminds me of the ugly thing Petr Klima wore for the Edmonton Oilers in the early 90s. I think Don Cherry used to call it a “trash can” on HNIC.

    http://www.grandstan...

    http://www.geocities...

    Also, while Willie Lanier’s helmet sure was weird, I’d say it was probably the weirdest since Mark Kelso’s foam covered Bills helmet which is more current and just as odd.

    http://assets.buffal...

  • david | August 28, 2007 at 7:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”137579″][quote comment=”137549″][quote comment=”137541″]Did anyone else notice that Rudi Johnson’s nameplate last night went down onto the white part of the Bengals jersey whereas everyone else’s nameplate stopped on the orange shoulder part as opposed to the white middle part on the jersey?

    –Jared[/quote]

    Wasn’t just Rudi, but yea it was bothering the crap out of me[/quote]
    Thank you for noticing that, my wife saw it and was bugged as well (she may finally “Get It”). It seemed that a majority of the players had the dropped nameplate. From memory, the only correctly placed plates i saw were Carson Palmer and Chad Johnson. I didn’t see any others with the first team offense . . . of course, i can tell you exactly what Suzy Kolber and Chris Mortenson were wearing, since their interview was more important than the game . . .[/quote]

    The Bengals have about 4 different nameplate problems going on right now, the one you guys are talking about is the most obvious but IMO least annoying.

    Anyhow, Palmer’s nameplate dropped beloe the orange line as well, for the first time this season even though they have used the white jersey for every game so far. The first player to have this problem was Brazell this season.

    Last season they had a similar problem which has come along for the ride this season as well. The white side stripe continues up through the orange space nect to the nameplate.

  • Dave | August 28, 2007 at 7:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”137578″]Usually, the woman slaps the man because he’s an idiot – he punched her in the face like one of his frat buddies or something. He’s a low-life.[/quote]
    Hey, cocksucker — my ex-wife punched me twice during our marriage, the last time while I was holding our son. When I called the cops, they tried to arrest ME for “filing a false report” and asked why I’d hit her first. Spousal abuse is spousal abuse and jokes about it aren’t funny. YOU’RE a low-life, and you can go shit in your hat. That is all.

  • Dave | August 28, 2007 at 7:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”137593″]I KNOW THIS IS AN OLD TOPIC BUT I STILL FOUND IT INTERESTING AND NEWS TO ME AND MAYBE EVEN PAUL:
    5 Carl Barger, team president who died just prior to the start of the Marlins’ first season. The number, in honor of Barger’s favorite player, Joe DiMaggio, was retired during a pre-game ceremony before their first-ever regular season game in 1993, culminated by DiMaggio himself throwing the ceremonial first pitch.[/quote]

    Wonder how much they had to pay that shaygets to do it.

  • Tony | August 28, 2007 at 8:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”137641″][quote comment=”137638″][quote comment=”137631″][quote comment=”137622″][quote comment=”137620″][quote comment=”137590″][quote comment=”137577″][quote comment=”137575″][quote comment=”137466″]Did someone really post yesterday wondering what Manny would wear when the Sox retire his number #24? If they didn’t retire #24 for Dwight Evans, (I can’t figure out why not) what makes you think they would retire it for Manny Ramirez?[/quote]

    the red sox retire numbers for Hall of Famer’s only. Manny WILL be in the hall of fame. Dwight will not.[/quote]

    I thought there was another component to it – such as ending your career in Boston.[/quote]

    pudge fisk didnt end his career in boston…[/quote]

    It is a requirement that the player be in the HOF and “retire” as a Red Sox. They got around that with Fisk, as another poster explained, by giving him a basically ceremonial position with the team and saying he was “finishing his carrer” with the Red Sox. Pretty lame, but true.[/quote]
    So no Jim Rice (yet), no Dwight Evans, no Roger Clemens (unless something strange happens) but theoretically Greg Maddux could pitch for the Sox next year and retire, then get his number retired when he goes in the HOF?

    Am I the only one bothered by the HOF = Retired Number equation? Are there other teams besides the Red Sox and Giants that use that stipulation?[/quote]

    The Sox also require a player to spend 10 years in the organization in order to retire a number. Unless Manny puts in 3 more years, #24 would not be retired.

    However, the team has also “informally” retired several numbers. Who wants to be the next player to wear #5 or #21, for example?

    And Pesky’s number is not retired. Number 6 is currently worn by Johnny Pesky, who is still a uniformed coach, but just not for games.

    Some teams retire too few numbers. Some retire too many. I like that the Sox have a firm criteria for retiring numbers.[/quote]

    A “firm” criteria that they finagled to retire Number 27. In my mind, if you are going to have these criteria, then you should stick to them. What has frustrated a lot of Sox fans is that they bent the rules, their own rules, to get Fisk’s number retired, but they won’t retire Conigliaro’s #25.[/quote]

    Didn’t play 10 years with the team and isn’t a HOFer. Not exactly the same thing as Pudge…[/quote]

    My point is, they broke/bent the “rules” to retire Fisk’s number, they havent’ done that to retire Conigliaro’s number. They are being selective, not “firm” as was previously stated.

  • Pete | August 28, 2007 at 8:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”137600″][quote comment=”137596″]That ION helmet is awesome looking and so is LT’s facemask.

    And the revolution maskes (like Peyton’s) were goofy when they first came out, but they are getting better, looking more like normal facemasks.[/quote]
    To me, the Revolution facemasks look exactly the same as when they first came out and this still looks goofy as Hell.[/quote]

    Although Peyton still wears one of the weird facemasks that were included on the early Riddell Revolution, Riddell has since introduced more “normal”-looking facemasks, such as this one and this one.

  • Bowen | August 28, 2007 at 8:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”137541″]Did anyone else notice that Rudi Johnson’s nameplate last night went down onto the white part of the Bengals jersey whereas everyone else’s nameplate stopped on the orange shoulder part as opposed to the white middle part on the jersey?

    –Jared[/quote]

    I did notice that, but the real uniform snafu was that the tiger stripes on Carson Palmer’s pants were backwards. Most Bengals stripes descend toward the front of the uniform, Palmer’s ascended.

    It’s not the greatest pic, buthttp://assets.bengals.com/assets/default/gallery070827-3.jpg

  • DW in Tampa Bay | August 28, 2007 at 8:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”137588″]My Giants retired Orlando Cepeda’s #30, despite the fact that he played only 8+ seasons in SF, because he got into the HOF. I don’t see how the HOF and honoring one of your own players are connected at all.[/quote]

    As far as my Reds:

    #1 – Hutch – Passed away after finishing his career as a Red.
    #5 – Johnny Bench – Finished w/the Reds (HoF)
    #8 – Joe Morgan – Finished w/the A’s. (HoF)
    #10 – Sparky Anderson – Finished w/the Tigers. (HoF)
    #13 – Dave Concepcion – Finished w/the Reds.
    #18 – Ted Kluszewski – Finished w/the Angels.
    #20 – Frank Robinson – finished w/the Indians. (HoF)
    #24 – Tony Perez – Finished w/the Reds. (HoF)

  • Buckeye Mike | August 28, 2007 at 9:42 pm |

    PAUL
    HELP ME!!!!!
    I think I have been a victom of Logo Creep. I was looking over my membership card, which I love, and I saw this! Now I would expect this if I went through another place, but what’s that under your name in the same ink pen??? Paul, is there something you need to tell us? Say it ain’t so Paul, Say it ain’t so!!!

  • DW in Tampa Bay | August 28, 2007 at 9:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”137642″]And what, exactly, does “informally retired” mean? If they won’t issue it, thats retired in my book.[/quote]

    The Reds will not issue Pete Rose’s #14 again. So it is “informally retired”. Petey wore it in 1997, but #14 won’t ever be worn again.

  • ToasterPoodle | August 28, 2007 at 10:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”137489″][quote comment=”137468″][quote comment=”137359″][quote comment=”137353″]if I choose to wrap my personal vehicle and get paid for it, what is the problem?[/quote]

    From the perspective of the person who owns the car, no problem at all — assuming you don’t mind turning your car into a billboard (which I would certainly never want to do, but I realize other people may feel differently).

    But from the perspective of everyone else, it’s a further imposition of advertising into public space. Everywhere that car goes, people have to look at a car that is now an ad. It’s another example of how hard it is to find public space that isn’t for sale. Maybe you don’t see that as a problem, but I do.[/quote]

    So are you opposed to billboards, signs in front of stores, etc.? How about Ads by Google on the sides of websites? How about carnival barkers and hotdog carts? How about car companies that put their names on cars? I counted 8 badges and 4 wordmarks on my car when I went to lunch today. How about tractor trailers and delivery trucks? How about the guy who owns a painting/handyman/mowing business and puts his logo and contact info on the side of his vehicle?

    Also, it isn’t public space that is for sale, it is private space. When city does this with muncipal buses, or muncipal vehicles or on a road surface that is public space.

    Finally, I am not trying to be a pain, I am trying to understand your argument on this one because unlike so many of your other views I agree with, I just don’t understand this one.[/quote]

    There’s a big difference between commercial space (a storefront, hot dog cart, a magazine page, my web site) and public space. Even if you’re willing to pay for a billboard, you can’t just put one up anyplace you want on the highway — you have to get a permit or a license. Why? Because the highway is a public resource, maintained by public funds, and it’s in the public interest to regulate the amount of advertising that can appear there.

    And you can’t even get a permit or a license for a billboard on a residential block, because zoning doesn’t allow for it. Why? Because our culture has decided (for now, at least) that big, screaming ads are inappropriate on residential blocks.

    But if I plaster an ad on my car and park it on my residential block, I have imposed a billboard where it doesn’t belong. It’s a clever way to beat the system, but it’s still bad for civic life.[/quote]
    Let me preface this by saying I essentially agree with Paul’s frustration with an over advertised world. Howerver, I don’t know if I would call someone’s car ‘public space’ as much as I think of it as private property.
    So Paul I think your link to the soon to be Golden Gate Bridge, Presented by Coke, is a great example of public eyesore and the ad-wrapped car is merely individual personal expression (with the statement being expressed being ‘$500/month is worth more to me than the appearance of my car).

  • Jason G. | August 28, 2007 at 10:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”137646″][quote comment=”137377″]Just wanted to thank Paul for the awesome bracelet I received last night. People in my office are sooooo jealous of me now.

    Free plug for…D’artagnan
    Thanks again..[/quote]
    I just checked my mail and was pleased to see a package with my bracelet in there today as well. Thanks Paul![/quote]

    Got mine today as well. Thanks again to Mr. Lukas and to D’artagnan.

  • ToasterPoodle | August 28, 2007 at 10:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”137493″]There has been a lot of debate over logo creep, advertising, and the like over the last couple of days. To those of you who argue that there isn’t anything wrong with a company logo on a uni, or the car advertisement: What is your profession? I’m just curoius.[/quote]
    I, btw, am a pastor. So, while I[quote comment=”137539″][quote comment=”137527″][quote comment=”137517″][quote comment=”137514″][quote comment=”137513″]from an insurance and liability standpoint, these small businesses are taking a huge risk.

    suppose ive wrapped my grand cherokee with ugly pool guy (which seems to be a local small business)

    im in a serious accident which kills either a pedestrian or a driver/passenger of another vehicle.

    now, in a lawsuit, not only will i be named, but so will this small business.

    i certainly hope they have done their homework legally when it comes to this scenario, because it will eventually happen.[/quote]

    I have no problem at all with things being wrapped with ads. However, the idea that some idiot would sue a company that has nothing to do with an accident just because their ad is on a car? THAT infuriates me. But is it really that likely? Has anybody ever sued a company that advertised on a bus after a bus accident?[/quote]

    Who gets sued when this gets in an accident?[/quote]

    These guys.[/quote]

    WELL PLAYED, SIR![/quote]
    actually, I thought it was these guys.

  • Paul Lukas | August 28, 2007 at 11:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”137716″]PAUL
    HELP ME!!!!!
    I think I have been a victom of Logo Creep. I was looking over my membership card, which I love, and I saw this! Now I would expect this if I went through another place, but what’s that under your name in the same ink pen??? Paul, is there something you need to tell us? Say it ain’t so Paul, Say it ain’t so!!![/quote]

    High-larious. I’ve been signing my name that way for about 27 years, and I never once realized what I was doing there.

  • david | August 28, 2007 at 11:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”137703″][quote comment=”137541″]Did anyone else notice that Rudi Johnson’s nameplate last night went down onto the white part of the Bengals jersey whereas everyone else’s nameplate stopped on the orange shoulder part as opposed to the white middle part on the jersey?

    –Jared[/quote]

    I did notice that, but the real uniform snafu was that the tiger stripes on Carson Palmer’s pants were backwards. Most Bengals stripes descend toward the front of the uniform, Palmer’s ascended.

    It’s not the greatest pic, buthttp://assets.bengals.com/assets/default/gallery070827-3.jpg[/quote]

    What your seeing is nothing specific to just Palmer, it is just how the pants stripes are, almost no ones are the same:

    http://assets.bengal...

    http://assets.bengal...

  • david | August 28, 2007 at 11:27 pm |

    http://assets.bengal...

    http://assets.bengal...

    http://assets.bengal...

    That aspect of the uniform is actually one thing I enjoy about it.

  • Kerry | August 28, 2007 at 11:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”137550″]Top 25 College mascots according to MSN.com

    top 25 College mascots[/quote]
    23. LSU – Tiger
    It would be much higher on the list if anyone outside of LSU, and opposing players, actually knew it existed. “Mike” is kept in a pen in the back of the stadium before it’s rolled out in a cage close to the visitor’s locker room where the players have to pass by him on the way to the field.

    Kept in a pen?!?! This guy seriously needs to do his homework. I would hardly call a 15,000sqft habitat that rivals many zoos a “pen”.

  • Kris McInnis | August 29, 2007 at 2:33 am |

    [quote comment=”137743″][quote comment=”137550″]Top 25 College mascots according to MSN.com

    top 25 College mascots[/quote]
    23. LSU – Tiger
    It would be much higher on the list if anyone outside of LSU, and opposing players, actually knew it existed. “Mike” is kept in a pen in the back of the stadium before it’s rolled out in a cage close to the visitor’s locker room where the players have to pass by him on the way to the field.

    Kept in a pen?!?! This guy seriously needs to do his homework. I would hardly call a 15,000sqft habitat that rivals many zoos a “pen”.[/quote]

    Hmm…

  • Little Wolf | August 29, 2007 at 3:51 pm |

    Did anyone just watch the Canucks uni unveiling? Good god. The jersey itself looks fine, the return to the classic colors and all. I can even deal with the different logo colors on the two different uniforms. But why, WHY, did they put “VANCOUVER” on the front of the jersey?! It looks horrendous! Like…it just overcrowds everything on there. your thoughts Paul?

    Sorry I don’t have a screen shot yet, I’m at work.

  • Little Wolf | August 29, 2007 at 3:56 pm |

    Here, pictures:

    and

  • Shayne M | August 29, 2007 at 4:10 pm |

    Just listened live about vancouver’s new sweaters. The Vancouver work mark was placed on the jersey to create a vancouver identity. The team represents all of vancouver or some nonsense like that. The good news is it’s an easy fix and look at all the horizontal stripes. the colours are great.

  • Ron | August 29, 2007 at 6:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”137700″][quote comment=”137600″][quote comment=”137596″]That ION helmet is awesome looking and so is LT’s facemask.

    And the revolution maskes (like Peyton’s) were goofy when they first came out, but they are getting better, looking more like normal facemasks.[/quote]
    To me, the Revolution facemasks look exactly the same as when they first came out and this still looks goofy as Hell.[/quote]

    Although Peyton still wears one of the weird facemasks that were included on the early Riddell Revolution, Riddell has since introduced more “normal”-looking facemasks, such as this one and this one.[/quote]
    I never did like Peyton’s face mask. It almost looks like he has an under bite. I recall brother Eli had a revolution face mask but went back to the regular one.