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The Departed

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When someone close to a team dies, as Cardinals pitcher Josh Hancock did on Sunday, the memorial gestures usually come on several levels. First there’s the official team remembrance, which in this case is a “32” sleeve patch that the Cards will be wearing for the rest of this season. Then there’s the now-obligatory display of the dead player’s jersey in his team’s dugout and bullpen. And then there are the personal memorials. Some players may inscribe the deceased’s number or initials onto their caps. Others may come up with a more unique marker, like Jason Simontacchi’s ankle band in memory of Darryl Kile.

But I’d never seen anything like what Tim Hudson did last night. In case you missed it, Hudson — who was Hancock’s teammate at Auburn back in 1997 — wore a big “JH” on his jersey. How big? Really fucking big. I hate to be a pill, but couldn’t he have worn a simple sleeve patch like the Cardinals did?

The most interesting thing about the XXXXL-sized letters is that Hudson clearly needed help in order to wear them. The team’s equipment manager and stitcher had to be in on the deal, and skipper Bobby Cox had to be okay with it too. Did the Commissioner’s office sign off on this too? None of the game recaps I’ve looked at have mentioned anything about that, but I’m wondering if this might be another example of Bud “Sure, Everyone Can Wear No. 42” Selig loosening up for a change.

Uni Watch News Ticker: The WNBA will be unveiling a bunch of new uniforms today. … The Reds are going to retire Dave Concepcion’s No. 13. … Never thought I’d be saying this, but there’s an AF2 team with some killer striped socks: the Oklahoma City Yard Dawgz (with thanks to Jeff Rinker). … My recent breakdown of Star Trek uniforms prompted this communiqué from Uni Watch design director Scott M.X. Turner: “There was an episode of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine that featured a baseball game between the various species of the Federation and an annoyingly soulless Vulcan team. The Starfleet team was called the ‘Niners, after the space station they’re all assigned to. Actors Avery Brooks (Commander Sisko), Cirroc Lofton (Jake, his son) and Alexander Siddig (Dr. Bashir) all wore their stirrups the right way, as you can see by clicking through this gallery. The Vulcan team, the Locicians, had goofy caps but otherwise looked like the road Yankees.” … Yesterday’s note about how the low man on the bullpen totem pole usually has to carry the bag of snacks and provisions led to this note from Brian Hilemon: “The Padres had a longstanding rule that the guy with the least service time not only had to carry and stock the bag, but the bag itself was actually a really lame little girls’ backpack.” … Very odd: Late last week I put out the call for photos of bloody-stained uniforms, and then this happens. … Cheers to the Deftones, whose frontman knows a thing or two about striped socks (with thanks to Mike from Vienna). … I’m extremely happy to report that I bought a Mitsubishi Galant yesterday, and you know what color it was.

 

251 comments to The Departed

  • Brian Terreson | May 1, 2007 at 9:04 am |

    Good Morning!

    Thats a great tribute to Mr. Hancock by the Cardinals with the patch, along with the jersey in the dugout.

  • Richard | May 1, 2007 at 9:08 am |

    Good luck with the green Galant, Paul.
    You should take it cross-country on the Uni tour.

  • Jonathon | May 1, 2007 at 9:08 am |

    I think they mentioned on Baseball Tonight that Huddie had permission from the Commish’s office to wear Hancock’s initials on his jersey.

  • Chris f | May 1, 2007 at 9:09 am |

    Wow, you asked for a picture of a bloody jersey, and nobody sent you this-

    Clint Malarchuck


    Chris

  • Ed | May 1, 2007 at 9:09 am |

    Couldn’t they have found a nicer hanger for the jersey?

    ed

  • Brandon | May 1, 2007 at 9:12 am |

    During the Cardinals game last night on ESPN they mentioned that Tim Hudson lost his grandmother and former college teammate Josh Hancock on Sunday. Not sure how to check this but maybe the “JH” had two meanings.

  • moten21 | May 1, 2007 at 9:13 am |

    Wow. I love the column, but a pill is just one word for it, Paul. Why do you care how a guy chooses to remember his friend, as long as it’s within reason?

  • C.N. | May 1, 2007 at 9:15 am |

    [quote comment=”79026″]I think they mentioned on Baseball Tonight that Huddie had permission from the Commish’s office to wear Hancock’s initials on his jersey.[/quote]

    Yes, they did.

  • Rick | May 1, 2007 at 9:17 am |

    The Browns players have their numbers…. also, I found this pretty cool site on the history of nfl uniforms

  • Graf Zeppelin | May 1, 2007 at 9:17 am |

    I remember the baseball episode of DS9. The uniforms were actually pretty nice, but I would have preferred the Starfleet team wear red or black caps with the combadge logo embroidered on the front, rather than the much-too-busy embroidery they actually used.

    The Vulcan “Logicians” cap logo is the Vulcan IDIC symbol (“Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations”), which originally appeared in the original series (I forget which episode) and was essentially designed to be sold commercially, launching the STAR TREK merchandising franchise. You can see the same symbol rendered in mosaic on the wall of Spock’s quarters in The Wrath of Khan.

    Baseball was a common motif on the show, as Cmdr./Capt. Sisko was a huge baseball fan. In the pilot episode, he used baseball to explain the concept of linear time to the wormhole aliens. There were many references to him and Jake playing ball or watching classic games in the holosuites, and he kept a baseball on his office desk which he was often seen holding during meetings.

  • Monte | May 1, 2007 at 9:18 am |

    [quote comment=”79031″]Wow. I love the column, but a pill is just one word for it, Paul. Why do you care how a guy chooses to remember his friend, as long as it’s within reason?[/quote]

    Yeah that is pretty ridiculous…he should be able to do whatever he wants, without question. I thought it looked good.

  • Shaun | May 1, 2007 at 9:20 am |

    [quote comment=”79030″]During the Cardinals game last night on ESPN they mentioned that Tim Hudson lost his grandmother and former college teammate Josh Hancock on Sunday. Not sure how to check this but maybe the “JH” had two meanings.[/quote]

    Yeah, I read that Hudson was honoring his departed grandmother also. From ESPN-“Before every inning, he scribbled the letters VM in the dirt with his cleats.” It goes on later to explain those were her initials.

  • Tom | May 1, 2007 at 9:20 am |

    Judging from the look of the font, the “JH” on Hudson’s jersey appears to use the same letters as the Braves’ nameplates. Probably its a result of it being an hastily made and unofficial tribute.

  • Greg | May 1, 2007 at 9:22 am |

    In the Cubs picture, what was the 34 for? Woods isn’t dead. Maybe one of his many trips to the DL?

  • todd krevanchi | May 1, 2007 at 9:24 am |

    [quote comment=”79031″]Some players may inscribe the deceased’s number or initials onto their caps.[/quote]

    kerry wood died?

  • WVU Tom | May 1, 2007 at 9:25 am |

    [quote comment=”79027″]Wow, you asked for a picture of a bloody jersey, and nobody sent you this-

    Clint Malarchuck


    Chris[/quote]

    ???

    I think that was the most mentioned incident.

    In fact, that pic is linked in Paul’s Page 2 sidebar story.

  • Graf Zeppelin | May 1, 2007 at 9:26 am |

    [quote comment=”79044″]In the Cubs picture, what was the 34 for? Woods isn’t dead. Maybe one of his many trips to the DL?[/quote]

    I think that was for Kirby Puckett.

  • Scotty | May 1, 2007 at 9:27 am |

    Was the 34 on the Cubs picture for Kirby Puckett? I remember a few players on teams other than the Twins did this.

  • Paul Lukas | May 1, 2007 at 9:27 am |

    [quote comment=”79051″][quote comment=”79044″]In the Cubs picture, what was the 34 for? Woods isn’t dead. Maybe one of his many trips to the DL?[/quote]

    I think that was for Kirby Puckett.[/quote]

    Correct.

  • Andrew | May 1, 2007 at 9:27 am |

    [quote comment=”79044″]In the Cubs picture, what was the 34 for? Woods isn’t dead. Maybe one of his many trips to the DL?[/quote]

    Kirby Puckett maybe?

  • Jonathon | May 1, 2007 at 9:28 am |

    Anyone else notice the Mets are on a black jersey kick right now? They wore them for all three games in Washington, and wore them last night against the Marlins in New York. And they were doing so well . . .

  • Leo | May 1, 2007 at 9:29 am |

    I can certainly understand what Hudson did.

    Back in high school, a friend of mine, who was on our school’s tennis team had a brain anurysm and died in the middle of a match. Needless to say, when a 17-year old friend dies like that it’s a shock.

    At that time I was the goalie on our lacrosse team and my way of honoring him was to wear these large wrist bands with his name on them. I did it all season long.

    I think the just of what I’m trying to say is that I can see both sides of this argument. I can see Tim Hudson’s desire to wear JH so large and I can see Paul’s argument that the tribute was too much.

  • Timmer | May 1, 2007 at 9:32 am |

    Another reason why I like MLB more than the NFL. Remember when the league wouldn’t let Jake Plummer wear a small sticker on his helmet for one of his fallen teammates? (can’t remember who it was, but it was 2-3 years ago..) Yet Selig doesn’t have a problem with a huge tribute like Hudson showed last night. And that’s the way it should be. Bravo, MLB.

  • Mikey | May 1, 2007 at 9:33 am |

    [quote comment=”79035″][quote comment=”79031″]Wow. I love the column, but a pill is just one word for it, Paul. Why do you care how a guy chooses to remember his friend, as long as it’s within reason?[/quote]

    Yeah that is pretty ridiculous…he should be able to do whatever he wants, without question. I thought it looked good.[/quote]

    I don’t see the big deal with this tribute to JH either.

  • Robert | May 1, 2007 at 9:33 am |

    Dave Concepcion’s No. 13 was already de facto retired because the Reds’ excellent equipment managers (Bernie Stowe and sons) refused to assign it to any players since Concepcion retired. I wonder how often this happens, and how many equipment managers wield that kind of power.

    And yes, I am sure that if ARod or some other superstar was to join the Reds and demand No. 13, he would get it.

  • jesse | May 1, 2007 at 9:35 am |

    Is it just me or it there a radial arch going on with the new Steeler Throwback jerseys. You can see it better if click on the show larger boxes on the screen.

  • Graf Zeppelin | May 1, 2007 at 9:36 am |

    [quote comment=”79056″]Anyone else notice the Mets are on a black jersey kick right now? They wore them for all three games in Washington, and wore them last night against the Marlins in New York. And they were doing so well . . .[/quote]

    Chan Ho Park is terrible no matter what color jersey he wears. And we’re nearly at the point where the Mets wear their blue caps more often that David Wright gets a hit with runners on.

    That said, the four straight games in black is disheartening…

  • Paul Lukas | May 1, 2007 at 9:37 am |

    To clarify: Culturally speaking, our society tends toward memorials that are low-key and dignified (unless you’re in New Orleans, in which case they throw a big party). Hudson’s massive “JH” struck me as neither of these. The effect borders on “look at me” territory, although I’m sure that wasn’t his intent. It’s just so damn big! Let’s put it this way: If I die tomorrow, I sincerely hope nobody will wear a giant “PL” like that.

    I don’t mean to sound insensitive, and of course Hudson should be able to salute his friend however he chooses. I’m just assessing it from an aesthetic standpoint.

  • Chris | May 1, 2007 at 9:39 am |

    I also liked the JH. I think that Hudson’s tribute was what he wanted to do to honor Hancock and he probably didn’t care if it was aesthetically pleasing.

  • Tim | May 1, 2007 at 9:40 am |

    Here’s a 2006 picture of Cla Meredith hauling the girly backpack behind him.

  • Justin | May 1, 2007 at 9:42 am |

    The Red Sox also has a pink girlie backpack, I’m looking for a picture, but can’t find one yet.

  • Joe O. | May 1, 2007 at 9:43 am |

    [quote comment=”79061″]Another reason why I like MLB more than the NFL. Remember when the league wouldn’t let Jake Plummer wear a small sticker on his helmet for one of his fallen teammates? (can’t remember who it was, but it was 2-3 years ago..) Yet Selig doesn’t have a problem with a huge tribute like Hudson showed last night. And that’s the way it should be. Bravo, MLB.[/quote]

    It was for Pat Tillman…

    [quote comment=”79068″]To clarify: Culturally speaking, our society tends toward memorials that are low-key and dignified (unless you’re in New Orleans, in which case they throw a big party). Hudson’s massive “JH” struck me as neither of these. The effect borders on “look at me” territory, although I’m sure that wasn’t his intent. It’s just so damn big! Let’s put it this way: If I die tomorrow, I sincerely hope nobody will wear a giant “PL” like that.

    I don’t mean to sound insensitive, and of course Hudson should be able to salute his friend however he chooses. I’m just assessing it from an aesthetic standpoint.[/quote]

    I do also think the “JH” was a little big (ok…it was WAY big). It looks like a sponsor on an NFLE or soccer (futbol) in europe. But…I also think its alright that he chose to do it, and better that he wasn’t fined for it (No Fun League).

  • Joe O. | May 1, 2007 at 9:46 am |

    Semi-Uni related (and I haven’t seen it on this site yet) but UCF which dropped the “Golden” from their name has applied for some trademark logos. The new “possible” school logo (sure to show up on uni’s eventually) can be found here. Theres no color (but that’s been the norm for UCF logos in the past too…

  • Eric | May 1, 2007 at 9:47 am |

    [quote comment=”79068″] It’s just so damn big! Let’s put it this way: If I die tomorrow, I sincerely hope nobody will wear a giant “PL” like that.
    [/quote]

    I am quite sure that when Paul does go, no one will be able to see the tribute we should be wearing to honor Paul. After all who would see my stirrups if I am wearing slacks to work.

    I think a donation to Philly Textile would be appropriate as well.

  • Ed | May 1, 2007 at 9:48 am |

    [quote comment=”79033″]The Browns players have their numbers…. also, I found this pretty cool site on the history of nfl uniforms[/quote]

    I don’t think the NFL is going to let an Offensive Tackle wear ‘1’…

    ed

  • stuby | May 1, 2007 at 9:49 am |

    I wonder why it took the Reds so long to retire Concepcion’s number? He played for them for 19 seasons. Also, I thought they had retired Rose’s #14, but it wasn’t mentioned in that article.

    I know the SF Giants don’t retire a number unless the player has been voted in to the HOF, which is strange logic. You are essentially letting the sportswriters decide if you should honor one of your own employees.

  • Justin | May 1, 2007 at 9:49 am |

    And yes, the Yankees haze their rookies too

  • Andy | May 1, 2007 at 9:50 am |

    [quote comment=”79039″]Judging from the look of the font, the “JH” on Hudson’s jersey appears to use the same letters as the Braves’ nameplates. Probably its a result of it being an hastily made and unofficial tribute.[/quote]

    Yeah, I’d say he didn’t think, “Boy, I’d like a huge JH on my jersey over my heart.” It was probably more along the lines of, “Hey, equipment manager, do you have a J and an H you can stitch into my hersey over my heart?”…and the equip mgr found a J and an H (normally used for nameplates) and went to work. Maybe equipment managers should keep a bunch of small letters lying around for occasions like this.

  • Justin | May 1, 2007 at 9:53 am |

    You can see a picture of Jonathan Papelbon wearing the pink back here

  • Broker75 | May 1, 2007 at 9:55 am |

    as for yesterdays (weird) conversation about cheesesteaks, I went out for din-din last night and saw Prime Rib Cheesesteak on the menu; I was like pardon me??? So I ordered it, it definitely was not prime rib, it basically was the cold cuts roast beef you buy at the local supermarket.
    ->the funny thing is I specifically asked the (hot) waitress “is it real prime rib? or just the stuff you find in the deli”?..’oh no’ she said, ‘it’s prime rib’-yah, whatever honey. But it came with a side of gravy and fries, which kicked ass…and three glasses of vino.mmm

  • Mikey | May 1, 2007 at 9:57 am |

    [quote comment=”79074″]Semi-Uni related (and I haven’t seen it on this site yet) but UCF which dropped the “Golden” from their name has applied for some trademark logos. The new “possible” school logo (sure to show up on uni’s eventually) can be found here. Theres no color (but that’s been the norm for UCF logos in the past too…[/quote]

    That was posted here on April 16th, the date of that article. Sorry.

  • todd krevanchi | May 1, 2007 at 9:58 am |

    as far as tribute patches, sticker, etc.
    i suggest league wide protocol be that whomever would like to memorialize the deceased, no matter which team or league they play on or in, should be allowed to, within reason. by doing it the same way that the primary team who is memorializing the fallen person.

    in this case, hudson and any other player should be allowed to place the identical patch worn by cardinals on his uniforms. those wanting to memorialize cory lidle, would wear a single mourning band, identical to the yankees, and so on.

    this would then pose the question of, “then what happens if someone wants to memorialize everyone?”. i would say no greater than 2 patches per sleeve which includes any current organizational tributes, anniversary patches or (in the case of the phillies) numbers.

    small tasteful patches like the 32 by the cardinals, wouldnt look too cumbersome if placed correctly (piggy backed, not side by side) with another patch on a sleeve.

  • Mikey | May 1, 2007 at 9:58 am |

    [quote comment=”79078″][quote comment=”79033″]The Browns players have their numbers…. also, I found this pretty cool site on the history of nfl uniforms[/quote]

    I don’t think the NFL is going to let an Offensive Tackle wear ‘1’…

    ed[/quote]

    He probably didn’t decide on a jersey number yet, since he was too busy fishing…….

  • Paul P. | May 1, 2007 at 10:00 am |

    Here is a better photo of Papelbon with the back pack on
    http://jonathanpapel...

    I remember them having the rookies dress up in skirts too last year. Will try adn find a photo.

  • Natron | May 1, 2007 at 10:01 am |

    Just to add-on to the bit about the bullpen bag… the Twins also make the rookie bring the bag out, and it’s also ridiculous. In making my annual trip to KC, I snapped this pic of Glen Perkins carrying a Spongebob dufflebag to the pen. Last year, I got this one of Pat Neshek Carrying the Barbie backpack (you can clearly see it’s pink, but can’t clearly see that it’s Barbie, but it is).

    And how about this handsome devil in a good lookin’ jersey?!

  • Joe | May 1, 2007 at 10:05 am |

    [quote comment=”79081″][quote comment=”79039″]Judging from the look of the font, the “JH” on Hudson’s jersey appears to use the same letters as the Braves’ nameplates. Probably its a result of it being an hastily made and unofficial tribute.[/quote]

    Yeah, I’d say he didn’t think, “Boy, I’d like a huge JH on my jersey over my heart.” It was probably more along the lines of, “Hey, equipment manager, do you have a J and an H you can stitch into my hersey over my heart?”…and the equip mgr found a J and an H (normally used for nameplates) and went to work. Maybe equipment managers should keep a bunch of small letters lying around for occasions like this.[/quote]

    That’s exactly it…the JH are the same letters used on the back of the jerseys, so I’m sure that’s all they had. Now from my point of view, it you’re going to be a MLB equipment manager, you should be crafty enough with twill and a pair of scissors to make a sweet smaller memorial patch, or at least know that you can run over to Michael’s or Jo-Ann Fabrics and pick up applique 2 inch letters for $1.50 that will do the job for 1 game.

  • Paul P. | May 1, 2007 at 10:06 am |

    Here are the Sox rookies of 2 years ago in drag
    http://cache.boston....
    On the far left is Papelbon, then the next one is Manny Delcarmen, currently in Pawtucket in AAA… not sure the other guys names

  • ditchfarmer | May 1, 2007 at 10:10 am |

    Sometimes there are things more imporatant than looking good. With everything that Hudson had to deal with this week, two phone calls, pitching (and winning), and two funerals, maybe you should cut him a little slack. I think it was very weak and inappropriate to comment.

    “But it was also about Tim Hudson and his grandmother’s initials and Josh Hancock’s initials. It was about a man taking his grief and turning it into a way to honor the passing of those he cared about. It won’t show up in the standings, but what Tim Hudson did Monday night was demonstrate the inspirational possibilities of the human heart.” Mlb.com

  • stuby | May 1, 2007 at 10:10 am |

    [quote comment=”79088″][quote comment=”79078″][quote comment=”79033″]The Browns players have their numbers…. also, I found this pretty cool site on the history of nfl uniforms[/quote]

    I don’t think the NFL is going to let an Offensive Tackle wear ‘1’…

    ed[/quote]

    He probably didn’t decide on a jersey number yet, since he was too busy fishing…….[/quote]
    I think Joe Thomas and Joe Staley are the same guy.

  • todd krevanchi | May 1, 2007 at 10:12 am |

    hey, (more specifically anthony verna)
    can anyone tell me exactly what the university of wyoming has trademarked in the realm of logos? if not, how would i be able to find that?

    also, just thinking. we have a pretty nice community of people here, and i think we can all say that we are somewhat online friends. over the course of the last year, people have posted where they live and what they do…

    i was wondering just the other day if there would be a way to start a uniwatch community online roladex. does anyone think this would be a benefit? if someone in my region has a job that provided a service, id be more in line to use or refer someone who Gets Itâ„¢, or at least has similar interests as i do. if anything, its a way to increase your business contacts.

    any support?

  • stuby | May 1, 2007 at 10:14 am |

    [quote comment=”79090″]Just to add-on to the bit about the bullpen bag… the Twins also make the rookie bring the bag out, and it’s also ridiculous. In making my annual trip to KC, I snapped this pic of Glen Perkins carrying a Spongebob dufflebag to the pen. Last year, I got this one of Pat Neshek Carrying the Barbie backpack (you can clearly see it’s pink, but can’t clearly see that it’s Barbie, but it is).

    And how about this handsome devil in a good lookin’ jersey?![/quote]
    (shaking my head)…Boof Bonser, Francisco Liriano AND Joe Nathan for AJ Pierzynski. How does Brian Sabean of the Giants still have a job?

  • Kenny | May 1, 2007 at 10:15 am |

    [quote comment=”79088″][quote comment=”79078″][quote comment=”79033″]The Browns players have their numbers…. also, I found this pretty cool site on the history of nfl uniforms[/quote]

    I don’t think the NFL is going to let an Offensive Tackle wear ‘1’…

    ed[/quote]

    He probably didn’t decide on a jersey number yet, since he was too busy fishing…….[/quote]

    Someone in Cleveland better make a poster with the best nickname for a guy who hasn’t even played yet. “The Fisherman”, all I know is that’s how I’m gonna refer to him from now on.

  • Matt B | May 1, 2007 at 10:18 am |

    I for one second PL’s thoughts about Hudson’s JH patch. I’ll even go further (yes, I’ve been called worse than a pill) and suggest that the entire Athletes Mourning thing is overdone — it looks to me like the players/teams/etc are exclaiming “Look over here, we’re mourning too! Don’t forget about us!” I realize that people aren’t robots and we all have our own ways of grieving, but these guys are professionals, too. That means they have to adjust when they step onto the playing field. Some things should be left in the clubhouse, IMHO.

    FWIW, I think Manning had it right when Johnny U died and he tried to celebrate the man’s life by wearing black cleats a la Unitas.

  • Robert | May 1, 2007 at 10:20 am |

    The Mets’ and Reds’ white hats from the 1990s were recently addressed here. Well, white baseball caps have not disappeared altogether, as evidenced by this recent University of Nebraska baseball game.

    http://i62.photobuck...

  • Robert | May 1, 2007 at 10:21 am |

    Oops, I forgot to mention that prior to this season, Nebraska wore some nifty striped socks as well. I was sad to see them go.

  • Minna H. | May 1, 2007 at 10:22 am |

    [quote comment=”79087″]as far as tribute patches, sticker, etc.
    i suggest league wide protocol be that whomever would like to memorialize the deceased, no matter which team or league they play on or in, should be allowed to, within reason. by doing it the same way that the primary team who is memorializing the fallen person.

    in this case, hudson and any other player should be allowed to place the identical patch worn by cardinals on his uniforms. those wanting to memorialize cory lidle, would wear a single mourning band, identical to the yankees, and so on.

    this would then pose the question of, “then what happens if someone wants to memorialize everyone?”. i would say no greater than 2 patches per sleeve which includes any current organizational tributes, anniversary patches or (in the case of the phillies) numbers.

    small tasteful patches like the 32 by the cardinals, wouldnt look too cumbersome if placed correctly (piggy backed, not side by side) with another patch on a sleeve.[/quote]

    todd k., I agree with your points here. I also thought the JH was way too big. Then again, Hudson still doesn’t look right in an Atlanta uniform (too used to him as an A).

    Natron! Nice back. Which game was that? And thank you for mentioning the sidewinder. I love him.

    As for whether it’s insensitive, in bad taste, etc., to mention the huge lettering of the JH, I don’t think it is. It’s not as if Paul is saying anything bad about Hudson or Hancock. He is simply commenting on the size (too huge) of the lettering. If he hadn’t, someone else (like me) would have.

  • My Name is Not Earl | May 1, 2007 at 10:22 am |

    #14 is not retired by the Reds, though my guess is that nobody would want it—both out of respect for the legacy and to avoid the infamy.

    How long before the Reds retire #11 for Barry Larkin? That number seems a done deal. I would also retire #44 for Eric Davis, but they may not (since he likely isn’t going to the Hall, while Larkin will probably get there eventually).

  • patrick | May 1, 2007 at 10:23 am |

    From Scoop Jackson’s article on AI

    He walked into Room 3 on the ground level of the Pepsi Center on Saturday night with his new Yankees black bottom-brim New Era cap resting on top of the white doo-rag that was keeping his character-defining cornrows F.T.D. (fresh to death).

  • Minna H. | May 1, 2007 at 10:24 am |

    [quote comment=”79102″][quote comment=”79090″]Just to add-on to the bit about the bullpen bag… the Twins also make the rookie bring the bag out, and it’s also ridiculous. In making my annual trip to KC, I snapped this pic of Glen Perkins carrying a Spongebob dufflebag to the pen. Last year, I got this one of Pat Neshek Carrying the Barbie backpack (you can clearly see it’s pink, but can’t clearly see that it’s Barbie, but it is).

    And how about this handsome devil in a good lookin’ jersey?![/quote]
    (shaking my head)…Boof Bonser, Francisco Liriano AND Joe Nathan for AJ Pierzynski. How does Brian Sabean of the Giants still have a job?[/quote]

    Hahahahahaha! Even with Liriano down for the count, the Giants wuz robbed!

    Didn’t Manning get fined for his tribute to JU or told to desist?

  • Gavin | May 1, 2007 at 10:29 am |

    Yeah, those Oklahoma City Yard Dawgz uniforms are pretty much exactly the same as the Chicago Bears’, with red replacing orange and black replacing blue.

  • Matt B | May 1, 2007 at 10:32 am |

    >Didn’t Manning get fined for his tribute to JU or told to desist?

    He was threatened with a $25k fine and didn’t do it. Someone on the Ravens did change his cleats, but was only hit with a $5k fine. So sez wikipedia…

  • scott | May 1, 2007 at 10:33 am |

    Their is a big time bond that is formed between college teammates. The JH on Hudson’s jersey was his tribute to his former teammate and it looked good. Actually, Hudson wears his jersey nice and tight the way it should be. All he has to do now is pull up the pant legs.

    Hey, Paul, in reference to you calling readers out on their comments that you don’t want to see anymore.

    I have a request for you to quit using f-bombs. Please try to be a little more creative in your wording. Thanks!

  • Anthony Verna | May 1, 2007 at 10:34 am |

    10:30 AM and already 61 postings!

    Minna, I believe that Manning was not allowed to wear black sneakers and did not. I believe that was reserved to Baltimore. (A silly ruling, if you ask me.)

    Todd, send me an e-mail at my personal address: anthony@anthonyverna.com (since this isn’t legal work) and I’ll get you some info.

  • Ben N | May 1, 2007 at 10:35 am |

    [quote comment=”79033″]The Browns players have their numbers…. also, I found this pretty cool site on the history of nfl uniforms[/quote]
    I highly doubt Joe Thomas will be wearing #1 at tackle this year

  • neal s | May 1, 2007 at 10:36 am |

    [quote comment=”79066″]Is it just me or it there a radial arch going on with the new Steeler Throwback jerseys. You can see it better if click on the show larger boxes on the screen.[/quote]

    Correct you are — and what a fantastically cool detail that is. Nice catch.

  • Robert | May 1, 2007 at 10:37 am |

    This scan probably sucks, but it shows the Cornhuskers baseball team in former striped sock glory.

    http://i62.photobuck...

    If they would wear those socks with the white hats, I would be in heaven.

  • Joe Drennan | May 1, 2007 at 10:38 am |

    I found some great striped stirups on my high school alma matter’s site. Check them out.

  • Jason | May 1, 2007 at 10:40 am |

    I was trying to put together a bit on which NFL draftees made the biggest uniform upgrades and downgrades from their college to pro unis. Unfortuantely I gave up pretty quickly after realizing that just about everyone moving from college to the pros is making a pretty big downgrade. Even the three drafted Oregon players went to Seattle, Carolina and Cincinnati. Not serious upgrades IMO. For what it’s worth, I think Adrian Peterson had the most serious downgrade. Oklahoma to the Vikings? Ouch!

  • Robert | May 1, 2007 at 10:41 am |

    [quote comment=”79110″]How long before the Reds retire #11 for Barry Larkin? That number seems a done deal. I would also retire #44 for Eric Davis, but they may not (since he likely isn’t going to the Hall, while Larkin will probably get there eventually).[/quote]

    Larkin is an automatic, while Eric Davis . . . I’m not sure. Probably not, since another guy who had some great years for the Reds, George Foster, has not been so honored.

    As for timing, the Reds are seemingly never in a hurry to retire numbers. It might take another few years for Larkin to get nod.

  • Broker75 | May 1, 2007 at 10:41 am |

    Why is it that Tim Hudson pays tribute to an old college buddy who tragically dies and gets shit on by Paul and a few other people, but everybody praised the out of control Jackie Robinson thing?
    There was absolutely nothing wrong with what Tim Hudson did, there is a lot of negativity in here.

  • neal s | May 1, 2007 at 10:42 am |

    [quote comment=”79122″][quote comment=”79066″]Is it just me or it there a radial arch going on with the new Steeler Throwback jerseys. You can see it better if click on the show larger boxes on the screen.[/quote]

    Correct you are — and what a fantastically cool detail that is. Nice catch.[/quote]

    On further reflection, though, two things occur to me: those jerseys haven’t been manufactured yet, so the pictures on the site are just digital mockups. There’s a chance that the actual production models will go the easy route.

    Also, we both confused vertical and radial. The pictures show radial arching, what we like and hope for is vertical arching. Easy mistake to make.

  • neal s | May 1, 2007 at 10:45 am |

    The pictures show radial arching[/quote]

    Ack. My bad again. We like the vertical, the pictures show vertical, there’s a chance it won’t be vertical.

    Sorry.

  • Joe | May 1, 2007 at 10:45 am |

    [quote comment=”79122″][quote comment=”79066″]Is it just me or it there a radial arch going on with the new Steeler Throwback jerseys. You can see it better if click on the show larger boxes on the screen.[/quote]

    Correct you are — and what a fantastically cool detail that is. Nice catch.[/quote]

    This drives me crazy…we have discussed the difference between radial and vertical a 1000 times!

    I am not convinced that the jerseys have any arch to them, even though the long surnames appear to be VERTICALLY arched. Look at this, there is no arch. I think we are just seeing the contour of the hanging shirt making it appear arched.

  • Paul P. | May 1, 2007 at 10:45 am |

    Todd, I think it’s a great idea. You’re right, it’s become a community of online friends, and I know I’d probably us the online rolodex if it were available. Would also help us get some uniwatch get togethers in line, even if Mr. Lukas is not going to be there.

    I guess I should say, thanks Paul for keeping us entertained and creating such a vast community in such a short amount of time. Keep up the great work!

  • Kevin from Ohio in Virginia | May 1, 2007 at 10:51 am |

    All this talk of rookie hazing reminds me of the uni-centric rookie hazing that saved Indians pitcher Kyle Denney’s life.

  • Perry | May 1, 2007 at 10:51 am |

    [quote comment=”79079″]I wonder why it took the Reds so long to retire Concepcion’s number? He played for them for 19 seasons. Also, I thought they had retired Rose’s #14, but it wasn’t mentioned in that article.

    I know the SF Giants don’t retire a number unless the player has been voted in to the HOF, which is strange logic. You are essentially letting the sportswriters decide if you should honor one of your own employees.[/quote]

    The Reds are a little weird about retiring numbers. They didn’t retire Frank Robinson’s, Sparky Anderson’s, or Joe Morgan’s until relatively recently, and only after plenty of lesser lights had worn them, I guess because all of them spent large chunks of their careers elsewhere. They sitll haven’t retired Rose’s, presumably because he might not be permitted on the field for the ceremony.

  • neal s | May 1, 2007 at 10:52 am |

    [quote comment=”79132″][quote comment=”79122″][quote comment=”79066″]Is it just me or it there a radial arch going on with the new Steeler Throwback jerseys. You can see it better if click on the show larger boxes on the screen.[/quote]

    Correct you are — and what a fantastically cool detail that is. Nice catch.[/quote]

    This drives me crazy…we have discussed the difference between radial and vertical a 1000 times!

    I am not convinced that the jerseys have any arch to them, even though the long surnames appear to be VERTICALLY arched. Look at this, there is no arch. I think we are just seeing the contour of the hanging shirt making it appear arched.[/quote]

    Calm down there, Joe. I already corrected my mistake before you posted.

  • Marty Met | May 1, 2007 at 10:55 am |

    [quote comment=”79068″]To clarify: Culturally speaking, our society tends toward memorials that are low-key and dignified (unless you’re in New Orleans, in which case they throw a big party). Hudson’s massive “JH” struck me as neither of these. The effect borders on “look at me” territory, although I’m sure that wasn’t his intent. It’s just so damn big! Let’s put it this way: If I die tomorrow, I sincerely hope nobody will wear a giant “PL” like that.

    I don’t mean to sound insensitive, and of course Hudson should be able to salute his friend however he chooses. I’m just assessing it from an aesthetic standpoint.[/quote]

    I’m sure the sticher just used a J & H from the usual player name letters.

  • Mr. Met | May 1, 2007 at 11:04 am |

    On the subject of the Peyton Manning Unitas tribute, didn’t the Colts wind up switching to black cleats the following year?

    They (speaking of the Colts) would have close to a perfect uniform if they would go back to their striped socks.

  • jesse | May 1, 2007 at 11:04 am |

    [quote comment=”79132″][quote comment=”79122″][quote comment=”79066″]Is it just me or it there a radial arch going on with the new Steeler Throwback jerseys. You can see it better if click on the show larger boxes on the screen.[/quote]

    Correct you are — and what a fantastically cool detail that is. Nice catch.[/quote]

    This drives me crazy…we have discussed the difference between radial and vertical a 1000 times!

    I am not convinced that the jerseys have any arch to them, even though the long surnames appear to be VERTICALLY arched. Look at this, there is no arch. I think we are just seeing the contour of the hanging shirt making it appear arched.[/quote]

    Your link is to a replica jersey, not the authentic one. The authentic ones are arched. Yea, and calm down.

  • Mr. Met | May 1, 2007 at 11:06 am |

    [quote comment=”79048″][quote comment=”79031″]Some players may inscribe the deceased’s number or initials onto their caps.[/quote]

    kerry wood died?[/quote]

    No, but his career has pretty much bitten the big one…

  • jesse | May 1, 2007 at 11:07 am |

    Also, you can check the link to the authentic Ward jersey from my original post, his name is vertically arched. It think the fact that the replica jerseys are not arched while the authentic ones are seems to indicate that the real jerseys will in fact be arched, which I think is kind of neat detail.

  • Joe | May 1, 2007 at 11:13 am |

    [quote comment=”79146″][quote comment=”79132″][quote comment=”79122″][quote comment=”79066″]Is it just me or it there a radial arch going on with the new Steeler Throwback jerseys. You can see it better if click on the show larger boxes on the screen.[/quote]

    Correct you are — and what a fantastically cool detail that is. Nice catch.[/quote]

    This drives me crazy…we have discussed the difference between radial and vertical a 1000 times!

    I am not convinced that the jerseys have any arch to them, even though the long surnames appear to be VERTICALLY arched. Look at this, there is no arch. I think we are just seeing the contour of the hanging shirt making it appear arched.[/quote]

    Your link is to a replica jersey, not the authentic one. The authentic ones are arched. Yea, and calm down.[/quote]

    Sorry bout that guys…just frustrating when it’s a concept concepts Paul has addressed a whole bunch…

    Anyway, I’m not sure that a vertically arched football nameplate would look good or not??? I’d have to see it on the field. Off the top of my head I can’t think of any team that has used it before??

  • John E | May 1, 2007 at 11:16 am |

    A’s rookie hazing from a year or two ago.

    Note Nick Swisher and Joe Blanton dressed as matching plug and socket. Overtones? Nah, not much.

    Huston Street

    Freddie Bynum, Nick Swisher and Dan Johnson

    Joe Blanton

    Keiichi Yabu and Ron Flores

  • John E | May 1, 2007 at 11:16 am |
  • Mark in Shiga | May 1, 2007 at 11:22 am |

    But does arched lettering really look good in football, where the shoulder pads create a level surface for the letters? Arched letters only look good if the player’s shoulders actually have an arch in them.

    Also — completely unrelated — has anyone noticed that Majestic has stopped writing their full name (embroidered in for the ones worn by actual players) on the baseball jerseys they make, using a simple mountain-like “M” logo, as in the Cubs jerseys shown above?

    I really like this change — if there are going to be manufacturer or (god forbid) advertising marks on jerseys, they should consist of only symbols and not words. Words detract from the team name, which is what really matters.

  • Robert | May 1, 2007 at 11:23 am |

    [quote comment=”79153″]A’s rookie hazing from a year or two ago.

    Note Nick Swisher and Joe Blanton dressed as matching plug and socket. Overtones? Nah, not much.

    Huston Street

    Freddie Bynum, Nick Swisher and Dan Johnson

    Joe Blanton

    Keiichi Yabu and Ron Flores[/quote]

    Is that a Black Label Society tattoo on Swisher (I am assuming that Swisher in the guy in the middle)?

  • Teebz | May 1, 2007 at 11:27 am |

    [quote comment=”79129″]Why is it that Tim Hudson pays tribute to an old college buddy who tragically dies and gets shit on by Paul and a few other people, but everybody praised the out of control Jackie Robinson thing?
    There was absolutely nothing wrong with what Tim Hudson did, there is a lot of negativity in here.[/quote]

    Broker, you missed the point entirely. The tribute isn’t the issue. It was a size issue… as if Hudson was using his jersey to be a billboard. “I hate to be a pill, but couldn’t he have worn a simple sleeve patch like the Cardinals did” says it all: a small JH on the sleeve would have sufficed.

    I’m all for honouring teammates and family members, but the JH covered his entire left shoulder. Hockey players don’t wear the captain’s “C” or alternate captain’s “A” that big.

  • Joe | May 1, 2007 at 11:28 am |

    [quote comment=”79148″]Also, you can check the link to the authentic Ward jersey from my original post, his name is vertically arched. It think the fact that the replica jerseys are not arched while the authentic ones are seems to indicate that the real jerseys will in fact be arched, which I think is kind of neat detail.[/quote]

    There is nothing worse than a replica that is blatantly different than and authentic! The point of a replica to to replicate as closely as possible the real thing using more affordable methods.

  • Minna H. | May 1, 2007 at 11:29 am |

    [quote comment=”79147″][quote comment=”79048″][quote comment=”79031″]Some players may inscribe the deceased’s number or initials onto their caps.[/quote]

    kerry wood died?[/quote]

    No, but his career has pretty much bitten the big one…[/quote]

    Along with poor Mark Prior’s.

    I think Manning should have manned up, wore the cleats and paid the fine. It’s not like he couldn’t afford it.

    I like the idea of a Rolodex o’ Uni-Watchers world-wide. todd k., I’m assuming you’ll be in charge of it?

  • todd krevanchi | May 1, 2007 at 11:34 am |

    im gonna chime in on the JH on hudson, then (ill try to) shut up about it.

    i cant speak for paul, but my interpretation of his entry today WAS:
    a. tim hudson wore a tribute patch(es) on his uniform.
    b. pretty unique in that it was on the chest of his jersey.
    c. it was large.

    im sure that if any team or player would have done something similar in size and location, for any reason (tribute, anniversary, championship, et al) it would have been written about and criticized, if not by PL then by one of the readers.

    i cant speak for paul, but my interpretation of his entry WAS NOT:
    a. damn you tim hudson for having feelings for a loved one.
    b. how could you even think of wanting to to pay tribute to a former roommate.
    c. if those were the only size letters you could find, you should have passed.

    patch on guys uni–its big, real big–fodder for my blog.
    thats it.

  • Joe | May 1, 2007 at 11:34 am |

    [quote comment=”79160″]
    I’m all for honouring teammates and family members, but the JH covered his entire left shoulder. Hockey players don’t wear the captain’s “C” or alternate captain’s “A” that big.[/quote]

    If you had them side by side you would see that a majority of “C’s” and “A’s” are either the same height or larger.

    The “JH’s” measure just over 3 inches (if in fact they are the same letters as used on the names), and the average “C” or “A” measures just under 4 inches…usually because they have multiple outline colors.

  • joe | May 1, 2007 at 11:34 am |

    [quote comment=”79031″]Wow. I love the column, but a pill is just one word for it, Paul. Why do you care how a guy chooses to remember his friend, as long as it’s within reason?[/quote]

    Becuase that was beyond reason, it looked like crap.

  • BCrisp | May 1, 2007 at 11:35 am |

    [quote comment=”79162″][quote comment=”79147″][quote comment=”79048″][quote comment=”79031″]Some players may inscribe the deceased’s number or initials onto their caps.[/quote]

    kerry wood died?[/quote]

    No, but his career has pretty much bitten the big one…[/quote]

    Along with poor Mark Prior’s.

    I think Manning should have manned up, wore the cleats and paid the fine. It’s not like he couldn’t afford it.

    I like the idea of a Rolodex o’ Uni-Watchers world-wide. todd k., I’m assuming you’ll be in charge of it?[/quote]
    I’ve wondered this before: Those of us who read this site and submit uniform banter, what do we call ourselves? Are we “Uni Watchers”, “Those Who Get It”, “Paul’s People”, “Lukas’s Legion”? Surely there are more creative people on here than me who can think up a name for ourselves.

  • Broker75 | May 1, 2007 at 11:38 am |

    [quote comment=”79160″][quote comment=”79129″]Why is it that Tim Hudson pays tribute to an old college buddy who tragically dies and gets shit on by Paul and a few other people, but everybody praised the out of control Jackie Robinson thing?
    There was absolutely nothing wrong with what Tim Hudson did, there is a lot of negativity in here.[/quote]

    Broker, you missed the point entirely. The tribute isn’t the issue. It was a size issue… as if Hudson was using his jersey to be a billboard. “I hate to be a pill, but couldn’t he have worn a simple sleeve patch like the Cardinals did” says it all: a small JH on the sleeve would have sufficed.

    I’m all for honouring teammates and family members, but the JH covered his entire left shoulder. Hockey players don’t wear the captain’s “C” or alternate captain’s “A” that big.[/quote]
    We are talking about a death here, who cares what you look like, or what you do to pay your respects, speaking of missing the point; “Hockey players don’t wear the captain’s “C” or alternate captain’s “A” that big”.-> has nothing to do with this subject.

  • todd krevanchi | May 1, 2007 at 11:39 am |

    [quote comment=”79162″][quote comment=”79147″][quote comment=”79048″][quote comment=”79031″]Some players may inscribe the deceased’s number or initials onto their caps.[/quote]

    kerry wood died?[/quote]

    No, but his career has pretty much bitten the big one…[/quote]

    Along with poor Mark Prior’s.

    I think Manning should have manned up, wore the cleats and paid the fine. It’s not like he couldn’t afford it.

    I like the idea of a Rolodex o’ Uni-Watchers world-wide. todd k., I’m assuming you’ll be in charge of it?[/quote]

    thats why paul got an intern right?

  • Minna H. | May 1, 2007 at 11:41 am |

    [quote comment=”79160″][quote comment=”79129″]Why is it that Tim Hudson pays tribute to an old college buddy who tragically dies and gets shit on by Paul and a few other people, but everybody praised the out of control Jackie Robinson thing?
    There was absolutely nothing wrong with what Tim Hudson did, there is a lot of negativity in here.[/quote]

    Broker, you missed the point entirely. The tribute isn’t the issue. It was a size issue… as if Hudson was using his jersey to be a billboard. “I hate to be a pill, but couldn’t he have worn a simple sleeve patch like the Cardinals did” says it all: a small JH on the sleeve would have sufficed.

    I’m all for honouring teammates and family members, but the JH covered his entire left shoulder. Hockey players don’t wear the captain’s “C” or alternate captain’s “A” that big.[/quote]

    Very well asid, Teebz. I am not dissing Hudson for his tribute; I am just saying the letters could be read by a pilot of a blimp fliyng overhead. As other people speculated, it was probably a time issue–getting it done quickly, but there had to be a way to make it smaller.

    I have to admit, when I saw the pic of the jerseys in the dugout and the bullpen, I thought it was a bit much, but from a humanistic view. It must be hard enouh to play the game as is; having to stare at the jersey would make it that much harder, I think.

  • Mr. Met | May 1, 2007 at 11:43 am |

    [quote comment=”79166″]I’ve wondered this before: Those of us who read this site and submit uniform banter, what do we call ourselves? Are we “Uni Watchers”, “Those Who Get It”, “Paul’s People”, “Lukas’s Legion”? Surely there are more creative people on here than me who can think up a name for ourselves.[/quote]

    “Uni Watchers” pretty much says it all. Concise and to the point.

  • Amy | May 1, 2007 at 11:46 am |

    [quote comment=”79171″][quote comment=”79166″]I’ve wondered this before: Those of us who read this site and submit uniform banter, what do we call ourselves? Are we “Uni Watchers”, “Those Who Get It”, “Paul’s People”, “Lukas’s Legion”? Surely there are more creative people on here than me who can think up a name for ourselves.[/quote]

    “Uni Watchers” pretty much says it all. Concise and to the point.[/quote]

    Yeah I think we should just leave it at Uni Watchers and not try to make ourselves sound like some weird cult…

  • Teebz | May 1, 2007 at 11:49 am |

    [quote comment=”79168″]
    We are talking about a death here, who cares what you look like, or what you do to pay your respects, speaking of missing the point; “Hockey players don’t wear the captain’s “C” or alternate captain’s “A” that big”.-> has nothing to do with this subject.[/quote]

    If we’re talking death here, why not just wear the JH’s jersey instead of wearing a gigantic JH?

    If they are 3 inches large, they are 3 inches too big to be on the shoulder.

  • Mr. Met | May 1, 2007 at 11:50 am |

    [quote comment=”79176″]Yeah I think we should just leave it at Uni Watchers and not try to make ourselves sound like some weird cult…[/quote]

    Ironically enough, someone made that accusation the other day, during a discussion of stirrups and whatnot, that the people on this website were becoming a Cult of Paul and agreeing with everything he said.

  • Broker75 | May 1, 2007 at 11:52 am |

    [quote comment=”79179″][quote comment=”79176″]Yeah I think we should just leave it at Uni Watchers and not try to make ourselves sound like some weird cult…[/quote]

    Ironically enough, someone made that accusation the other day, during a discussion of stirrups and whatnot, that the people on this website were becoming a Cult of Paul and agreeing with everything he said.[/quote]
    Read a few of todays comments and see if everyone agrees with what paul says.

  • Michael Churchill | May 1, 2007 at 11:52 am |

    [quote comment=”79166″][quote comment=”79162″][quote comment=”79147″][quote comment=”79048″][quote comment=”79031″]Some players may inscribe the deceased’s number or initials onto their caps.[/quote]

    kerry wood died?[/quote]

    No, but his career has pretty much bitten the big one…[/quote]

    Along with poor Mark Prior’s.

    I think Manning should have manned up, wore the cleats and paid the fine. It’s not like he couldn’t afford it.

    I like the idea of a Rolodex o’ Uni-Watchers world-wide. todd k., I’m assuming you’ll be in charge of it?[/quote]
    I’ve wondered this before: Those of us who read this site and submit uniform banter, what do we call ourselves? Are we “Uni Watchers”, “Those Who Get It”, “Paul’s People”, “Lukas’s Legion”? Surely there are more creative people on here than me who can think up a name for ourselves.[/quote]

    True Believers in the Cult of Lukas?

  • Minna H. | May 1, 2007 at 11:52 am |

    [quote comment=”79169″][quote comment=”79162″][quote comment=”79147″][quote comment=”79048″][quote comment=”79031″]Some players may inscribe the deceased’s number or initials onto their caps.[/quote]

    kerry wood died?[/quote]

    No, but his career has pretty much bitten the big one…[/quote]

    Along with poor Mark Prior’s.

    I think Manning should have manned up, wore the cleats and paid the fine. It’s not like he couldn’t afford it.

    I like the idea of a Rolodex o’ Uni-Watchers world-wide. todd k., I’m assuming you’ll be in charge of it?[/quote]

    thats why paul got an intern right?[/quote]

    Oh, right! Vincent, Vince, Vinnie, you up to the task?

    I gotta say, some of those A’s rookies look better in a skirt than I do. Sad, so sad.

  • Michael Churchill | May 1, 2007 at 11:55 am |

    [quote comment=”79179″][quote comment=”79176″]Yeah I think we should just leave it at Uni Watchers and not try to make ourselves sound like some weird cult…[/quote]

    Ironically enough, someone made that accusation the other day, during a discussion of stirrups and whatnot, that the people on this website were becoming a Cult of Paul and agreeing with everything he said.[/quote]

    That was me. I suggested issuing a fatwa against the radio station that used Paul’s “why players chose their numbers” column without crediting it.

  • BCVM22 | May 1, 2007 at 11:57 am |

    The 34 on Jerry Hairston’s hat in the Cubs photo was indeed for Kirby Puckett.

    The reason the Reds haven’t retired Rose’s No. 14 is because Rose isn’t permitted to be a part of any on-field events as per his banning, and the Reds have said they don’t want to retire his number unless he can be on the field for the ceremony.

  • Minna H. | May 1, 2007 at 12:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”79182]

    True Believers in the Cult of Lukas?[/quote]

    Snicker. I like this one, Michael C.

    Watchers of the Unis? Catchers in the Rye?

    Seriously, I am fine with Uni-Watch Nation. We need a flag and a creed–maybe even a credo. Beer will be the official beverage of choice (except for me. I will apply for an an exemption); Philly cheesesteaks the entree, and beignets for dessert.

  • Joe | May 1, 2007 at 12:01 pm |

    The big JH size is not unprecedented though. Check out the 88 O’s EBW tribute.

  • Minna H. | May 1, 2007 at 12:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”79184″][quote comment=”79179″][quote comment=”79176″]Yeah I think we should just leave it at Uni Watchers and not try to make ourselves sound like some weird cult…[/quote]

    Ironically enough, someone made that accusation the other day, during a discussion of stirrups and whatnot, that the people on this website were becoming a Cult of Paul and agreeing with everything he said.[/quote]

    That was me. I suggested issuing a fatwa against the radio station that used Paul’s “why players chose their numbers” column without crediting it.[/quote]

    Nah, it wasn’t that, Michael C. Someone said we all agree with Paul and don’t have a thought of our own. Someone else agreed with him. I used my unhealthy love for black as proof that I don’t always agree with Paul.

    It had to do with the OS uni-change.

  • Teebz | May 1, 2007 at 12:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”79190″]The big JH size is not unprecedented though. Check out the 88 O’s EBW tribute.[/quote]

    Sleeve – yes.

    Shoulder – no.

  • Minna H. | May 1, 2007 at 12:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”79190″]The big JH size is not unprecedented though. Check out the 88 O’s EBW tribute.[/quote]

    True, Joe. However, that is on the arm so it’s not as immediately eye-catching.

  • Minna H. | May 1, 2007 at 12:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”79192″][quote comment=”79190″]The big JH size is not unprecedented though. Check out the 88 O’s EBW tribute.[/quote]

    Sleeve – yes.

    Shoulder – no.[/quote]

    Damn it, Teebz, you beat me again!

  • tc | May 1, 2007 at 12:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”79159″][quote comment=”79153″]A’s rookie hazing from a year or two ago.

    Note Nick Swisher and Joe Blanton dressed as matching plug and socket. Overtones? Nah, not much.

    Huston Street

    Freddie Bynum, Nick Swisher and Dan Johnson

    Joe Blanton

    Keiichi Yabu and Ron Flores[/quote]

    Is that a Black Label Society tattoo on Swisher (I am assuming that Swisher in the guy in the middle)?[/quote]

    The tattoo on Swisher’s chest is, ironically, a tribute to his grandmother Betty Swisher. explained in this article

  • Shaftman | May 1, 2007 at 12:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”79189″][quote comment=”79182]

    True Believers in the Cult of Lukas?[/quote]

    Snicker. I like this one, Michael C.

    Watchers of the Unis? Catchers in the Rye?

    Seriously, I am fine with Uni-Watch Nation. We need a flag and a creed–maybe even a credo. Beer will be the official beverage of choice (except for me. I will apply for an an exemption); Philly cheesesteaks the entree, and beignets for dessert.[/quote]

    We are all members of “The UNI-verse”

  • Justin | May 1, 2007 at 12:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”79136″][quote comment=”79079″]I wonder why it took the Reds so long to retire Concepcion’s number? He played for them for 19 seasons. Also, I thought they had retired Rose’s #14, but it wasn’t mentioned in that article.

    I know the SF Giants don’t retire a number unless the player has been voted in to the HOF, which is strange logic. You are essentially letting the sportswriters decide if you should honor one of your own employees.[/quote]

    The Reds are a little weird about retiring numbers. They didn’t retire Frank Robinson’s, Sparky Anderson’s, or Joe Morgan’s until relatively recently, and only after plenty of lesser lights had worn them, I guess because all of them spent large chunks of their careers elsewhere. They sitll haven’t retired Rose’s, presumably because he might not be permitted on the field for the ceremony.[/quote]

    That is correct. The Reds have not retired Rose’s number because MLB/Bud Selig will not permit him to participate in anything involving Major League Baseball(except for when MasterCard pays MLB a shitload of money to have the all-century team, then by all means he can participate). MLB is so hypocritical in this respect.

  • Alex | May 1, 2007 at 12:10 pm |

    I don’t think you have the right to get mad at Tim Hudson for wearing a large-sized “JH” on his jersey. That was his former teammate, former roommate, and close friend. Don’t question the way other people grieve. Grieving is very personal, and I don’t think it should be questioned or even mentioned unless it’s in a commending manner. “I hate to be a pill, but couldn’t he have worn a simple sleeve patch like the Cardinals did?” I hate to be a pill, but maybe Tim Hudson should decide on how he chooses to honor his friend. That such a thing would be questioned, in such a stupid manner, turns me off to this site completely.

  • joe | May 1, 2007 at 12:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”79190″]The big JH size is not unprecedented though. Check out the 88 O’s EBW tribute.[/quote]

    but thats on the sleeve, and also on everyone on the team, its not some awkward looking thing on one guys uniform.

  • joe | May 1, 2007 at 12:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”79200″]I don’t think you have the right to get mad at Tim Hudson for wearing a large-sized “JH” on his jersey. That was his former teammate, former roommate, and close friend. Don’t question the way other people grieve. Grieving is very personal, and I don’t think it should be questioned or even mentioned unless it’s in a commending manner. “I hate to be a pill, but couldn’t he have worn a simple sleeve patch like the Cardinals did?” I hate to be a pill, but maybe Tim Hudson should decide on how he chooses to honor his friend. That such a thing would be questioned, in such a stupid manner, turns me off to this site completely.[/quote]

    Its a *uniform* you can’t just choose to modify it, otherwise its not a uniform. It looked bad, it could have been done in a much more reasonalbe manner.

  • Justin | May 1, 2007 at 12:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”79200″]I don’t think you have the right to get mad at Tim Hudson for wearing a large-sized “JH” on his jersey. [/quote]

    I think the point a lot of people are missing here is that nobody “got mad” at Tim Hudson.

  • Zamboni Guy | May 1, 2007 at 12:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”79090″]Just to add-on to the bit about the bullpen bag… the Twins also make the rookie bring the bag out, and it’s also ridiculous. In making my annual trip to KC, I snapped this pic of Glen Perkins carrying a Spongebob dufflebag to the pen. Last year, I got this one of Pat Neshek Carrying the Barbie backpack (you can clearly see it’s pink, but can’t clearly see that it’s Barbie, but it is).

    And how about this handsome devil in a good lookin’ jersey?![/quote]

    I was just scouring the internet for pictures of the Twins bullpen backpacks and then I saw you came through huge. Very nice work, and nice to see you’re into the UniWatch as well.

  • Mr. Met | May 1, 2007 at 12:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”79181″][quote comment=”79179″][quote comment=”79176″]Yeah I think we should just leave it at Uni Watchers and not try to make ourselves sound like some weird cult…[/quote]

    Ironically enough, someone made that accusation the other day, during a discussion of stirrups and whatnot, that the people on this website were becoming a Cult of Paul and agreeing with everything he said.[/quote]
    Read a few of todays comments and see if everyone agrees with what paul says.[/quote]

    Never said it was true; just said someone made that accusation.

  • todd krevanchi | May 1, 2007 at 12:25 pm |

    so are these our unis?

    oh and, i like the david wright baseball pants look, and in certain cases the unitard look in football. i hate stirrups unless they are low stirrups with appropriately tailored baggy pants, see juan pierre and not alfonso soriano.

    in fact it is a pet peeve of mine when PL writes something and people refer to it as gospel and not 1 mans opinion.

    yeah, i wear nikes, black ones sometimes, but by no means is PL marshall applewhite, and stirrups are hale bop.

  • Gary | May 1, 2007 at 12:25 pm |

    I own a Mets Ice cream man cap. Bought it that year cause I loved it. Same with the Reds white striped cap. Perfect for a Sunday Matinee. And in both cases, better than the damn black.

  • Teebz | May 1, 2007 at 12:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”79200″]I don’t think you have the right to get mad at Tim Hudson for wearing a large-sized “JH” on his jersey. That was his former teammate, former roommate, and close friend. Don’t question the way other people grieve. Grieving is very personal, and I don’t think it should be questioned or even mentioned unless it’s in a commending manner. “I hate to be a pill, but couldn’t he have worn a simple sleeve patch like the Cardinals did?” I hate to be a pill, but maybe Tim Hudson should decide on how he chooses to honor his friend. That such a thing would be questioned, in such a stupid manner, turns me off to this site completely.[/quote]

    If he chooses to grieve it personally, then why grieve it so publicly?

    Again, nothing wrong with the tribute, but why does it have to be so big?!?

  • Mr. Met | May 1, 2007 at 12:33 pm |

    Paul had an opinion, his own personal view that the letters on Hudson’s jersey were too big. He didn’t get mad at or say that it was wrong that Hudson was honoring his former teammate; in fact, that first paragraph shows that he understands the practice is widespread in baseball, if not in all pro sports.

    Since when did stating an opinion become a taboo practice? If his opinion is unpopular, you know what? It’s his website. He can pretty much say whatever he wants. You don’t like it? Fine, then move on. In case you didn’t know, the name of the website is “Uni Watch: The Obsessive Study of Athletics Aesthetics”. And nothing speaks more to that than a ballplayer putting huge letters on the front of his jersey that don’t normally belong there. That’s what we’re here for; to talk about uniforms. And that’s what the conversation is about: The letters on the front of Tim Hudson’s uniform. I feel sorry for the Hancock familiy, and for all the players that knew him and were affected by his sudden and tragic death. But in the grand scheme of things, you know what? We’re talking about letters on a jersey, hardly a topic that is insulting to the memory of Josh Hancock.

    Personally, if a Mets player died tragically and they wore a patch in his honor, I would hope that they don’t wear something like what Hudson wore; in my opinion, that would look horrible. Your opinion might be different. What I don’t undertand is people coming on here with this indignation, an attitude that ” I don’t like what you said, so don’t say it again”. That kind of attitude might work for a 4-year old, but I would like to think that we’re all adults that can discuss something in a civilized, albeit passionate, manner. Disagreeing with someone’s opinion is one thing; castigating the guy because he offended your moral compass on a rather silly issue is pretty sad. Calling something stupid because you don’t agree with it? Saying that someone “doesn’t have a right” to comment on something because you don’t like what he has to say? I’m sorry, but sometimes I wonder what planet some of you people live on……

  • Philly Bill | May 1, 2007 at 12:34 pm |

    Enough already, argue-monkeys!

    Anyone know why Ron Wilson and his assistant coaches were wearing this lapel pin last night?

    For the umpteenth week in a row, John Buccigross has written that the NHL will return to home whites next season, which I thought had been debunked here months ago. Do we have anything definitive? Maybe I missed something.

  • tessa | May 1, 2007 at 12:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”79200″]I don’t think you have the right to get mad at Tim Hudson for wearing a large-sized “JH” on his jersey. That was his former teammate, former roommate, and close friend. Don’t question the way other people grieve. Grieving is very personal, and I don’t think it should be questioned or even mentioned unless it’s in a commending manner. “I hate to be a pill, but couldn’t he have worn a simple sleeve patch like the Cardinals did?” I hate to be a pill, but maybe Tim Hudson should decide on how he chooses to honor his friend. That such a thing would be questioned, in such a stupid manner, turns me off to this site completely.[/quote]

    The point is that when you choose to take a personal act and make it public (like a large display on a uniform in a televised game), people do have the right to comment on it. And then other people have a right to comment on the comments. All in a civil, non-attacking way (which most everyone has done – kudos).

    That being said, I would love to be a member of the Uni-Watchers. I prefer this term to Uni Watch Nation (sounds a little to Red Sox-y for this Yankee apologist), but I will go with whatever you all decide.

  • Joe | May 1, 2007 at 12:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”79201″][quote comment=”79190″]The big JH size is not unprecedented though. Check out the 88 O’s EBW tribute.[/quote]

    but thats on the sleeve, and also on everyone on the team, its not some awkward looking thing on one guys uniform.[/quote]

    I’m just talking about the letter size…not placement. I’m making the factual statement that “there has been an occasion in the past where 3 inch letters have been placed somewhere on a baseball jersey as a tribute to a deceased individual.”

  • cliff rancho | May 1, 2007 at 12:40 pm |

    Maybe Tim wore a big JH so people wouldn’t just forget about his old teammate. A little JH on the side of an Atlanta Braves jersey sleeve isn’t going to be recongized by that many people.

  • Andy | May 1, 2007 at 12:47 pm |

    What if he chose to honor his friend by painting a huge JH across his face and stitching his friend’s uni-numbers on the butt of his pants? Obviously this would be absurd and no one would do it, but you can’t just say, “don’t question what he did because he’s honoring his friend”. Size and location of your tribute is something to think about.
    In this case, initials over the heart is not a big deal. Sure, they were large initials, but it could’ve been worse.

  • Mr. Met | May 1, 2007 at 12:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”79233″]Maybe Tim wore a big JH so people wouldn’t just forget about his old teammate. A little JH on the side of an Atlanta Braves jersey sleeve isn’t going to be recongized by that many people.[/quote]

    With all due respect, MLB cancelled a baseball game and it was the non-stop topic of the day. The Cardinals hung his jersey up in their dugout and bullpen. They’re going to be wearing a patch on their sleeves for (presumably) the rest of the season. And I’m sure that anyone who saw a small “JH” on his sleeve would ask “what’s that stand for?”, opening a whole new discussion on how Hudson and Hancock were teammates.

    I doubt people will forget about his old teammate after one day.

  • Joe Drennan | May 1, 2007 at 12:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”79227″]Enough already, argue-monkeys!

    Anyone know why Ron Wilson and his assistant coaches were wearing this lapel pin last night?

    For the umpteenth week in a row, John Buccigross has written that the NHL will return to home whites next season, which I thought had been debunked here months ago. Do we have anything definitive? Maybe I missed something.[/quote]

    I don’t know about that particular pin, but I know hockey coaches have a history of wearing a pin of a local charity or group they are associate with. Other time it is a case of logo creep and someone in the organization made a buck by saying the coaches would wear a lapel pin.

  • Mark in Shiga | May 1, 2007 at 12:50 pm |

    Nothing to do with uniforms, but looking at Natron’s photo got me wondering about that bullpen catcher #75 Dammann in the background of his picture, which led me to a nice little article on his duties:

    http://www.news-pres...

    I love reading stories about those background guys whom you otherwise don’t get to hear about. (Plus, they have really unconventional uni numbers!) What an experience that must be — I’d do a job like that just for the meal money!

  • Philly Bill | May 1, 2007 at 12:53 pm |

    From today’s TMQ:

    This photo with the caption: “Spider-man follows the all-black alternate uniform craze.”

    I think Spidey looks better than the dudes in these get-ups.

  • Judd | May 1, 2007 at 12:57 pm |

    This is definitely nit-picky, but shouldn’t Hudson have gone all the way and used JMH (for Joshua Morgan Hancock)?

    Usually you see all three initials and not just two on those type of tribute patches or whatever you want to call them.

  • cliff rancho | May 1, 2007 at 12:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”79237″][quote comment=”79233″]Maybe Tim wore a big JH so people wouldn’t just forget about his old teammate. A little JH on the side of an Atlanta Braves jersey sleeve isn’t going to be recongized by that many people.[/quote]

    With all due respect, MLB cancelled a baseball game and it was the non-stop topic of the day. The Cardinals hung his jersey up in their dugout and bullpen. They’re going to be wearing a patch on their sleeves for (presumably) the rest of the season. And I’m sure that anyone who saw a small “JH” on his sleeve would ask “what’s that stand for?”, opening a whole new discussion on how Hudson and Hancock were teammates.

    I doubt people will forget about his old teammate after one day.[/quote]

    MLB cancelled a St. Louis game, St. Louis hung their jersey up during their game against the Brewers. BRAVES fans don’t always watch St. Louis games. It wasn’t ‘huge’ news for a casual baseball fan.

    Your ability to notice small changes to a uniform is a gift, not everybody thinks about it.

    and like I said, “Maybe”. Just a thought. Throwing it out there.

  • Ian K | May 1, 2007 at 1:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”79189″][quote comment=”79182]

    True Believers in the Cult of Lukas?[/quote]

    Snicker. I like this one, Michael C.

    Watchers of the Unis? Catchers in the Rye?

    Seriously, I am fine with Uni-Watch Nation. We need a flag and a creed–maybe even a credo. Beer will be the official beverage of choice (except for me. I will apply for an an exemption); Philly cheesesteaks the entree, and beignets for dessert.[/quote]

    The food of choice at the Dallas Uni Watch Party was bratwurst. And while beer is always the official beverage, my dessert of choice is usually more beer.

  • Matt from the 'Ville | May 1, 2007 at 1:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”79248″][quote comment=”79189″][quote comment=”79182]

    True Believers in the Cult of Lukas?[/quote]

    Snicker. I like this one, Michael C.

    Watchers of the Unis? Catchers in the Rye?

    Seriously, I am fine with Uni-Watch Nation. We need a flag and a creed–maybe even a credo. Beer will be the official beverage of choice (except for me. I will apply for an an exemption); Philly cheesesteaks the entree, and beignets for dessert.[/quote]

    The food of choice at the Dallas Uni Watch Party was bratwurst. And while beer is always the official beverage, my dessert of choice is usually more beer.[/quote]

    Any pics from the get togethers

  • Joe | May 1, 2007 at 1:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”79257″][quote comment=”79248″][quote comment=”79189″][quote comment=”79182]

    True Believers in the Cult of Lukas?[/quote]

    Snicker. I like this one, Michael C.

    Watchers of the Unis? Catchers in the Rye?

    Seriously, I am fine with Uni-Watch Nation. We need a flag and a creed–maybe even a credo. Beer will be the official beverage of choice (except for me. I will apply for an an exemption); Philly cheesesteaks the entree, and beignets for dessert.[/quote]

    The food of choice at the Dallas Uni Watch Party was bratwurst. And while beer is always the official beverage, my dessert of choice is usually more beer.[/quote]

    Any pics from the get togethers[/quote]

    There already is a flag!

  • Josh | May 1, 2007 at 1:30 pm |

    I have gotten the job as the PA Announcer for Scottsdale Community College in Arizona…I’m doing football and baskebtall beginning in Septembe, however they have asked me to do a regional baseball tourny this upcoming weekend…and I am pleased to report that upon checking out the team, I have discovered that many of the players wear real stirrups!
    I will try to take some pics when I do the games this weekend and post them next week.

  • Christopher | May 1, 2007 at 1:35 pm |

    Paul, I agree with you 100% on Hudson’s display. Yeah, it’s a horrible thing that happened, but there’s nothing wrong with saying the memorial is over the top.

    Reminds me of those garrish (and ironically distracting) memorials people put up on the road after someone dies in an accedent.

  • Jason | May 1, 2007 at 1:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”79262″]I have gotten the job as the PA Announcer for Scottsdale Community College in Arizona…I’m doing football and baskebtall beginning in Septembe, however they have asked me to do a regional baseball tourny this upcoming weekend…and I am pleased to report that upon checking out the team, I have discovered that many of the players wear real stirrups!
    I will try to take some pics when I do the games this weekend and post them next week.[/quote]

    Go Artichokes!!

  • Tom R | May 1, 2007 at 1:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”79195″][quote comment=”79159″][quote comment=”79153″]A’s rookie hazing from a year or two ago.

    Note Nick Swisher and Joe Blanton dressed as matching plug and socket. Overtones? Nah, not much.

    Huston Street

    Freddie Bynum, Nick Swisher and Dan Johnson

    Joe Blanton

    Keiichi Yabu and Ron Flores[/quote]

    Is that a Black Label Society tattoo on Swisher (I am assuming that Swisher in the guy in the middle)?[/quote]

    The tattoo on Swisher’s chest is, ironically, a tribute to his grandmother Betty Swisher. explained in this article[/quote]

    That is a great article about Swisher, I never heard about that before. It proves that you cant judge a book by its cover. Swisher just moved close to the top of my list of favorite ballplayers.

  • Chad G | May 1, 2007 at 1:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”79219″]so are these our unis?

    oh and, i like the david wright baseball pants look, and in certain cases the unitard look in football. i hate stirrups unless they are low stirrups with appropriately tailored baggy pants, see juan pierre and not alfonso soriano.

    in fact it is a pet peeve of mine when PL writes something and people refer to it as gospel and not 1 mans opinion.

    yeah, i wear nikes, black ones sometimes, but by no means is PL marshall applewhite, and stirrups are hale bop.[/quote]

    Todd, I also don’t mind the low pants in baseball. I hated, HATED! wearing stirrups in Little League. The were so uncomfortable, the stirrup part would always get twisted. I wanted to wear long pants like they did in the majors. (I played little league in the late 80’s/early 90’s). But the unis we got were pullovers (which sucked) and elastic waisted pants with no belt loops that only went down to the mid shin area. So we had to wear stirrups to cover the empty space. Also, I didn’t have any long white socks, so my crew socks which were just long enough to cover the opening in the stirrup would always bunch up at my ankles leaving skin exposed between the white sock and the stirrup. This ended up looking like crap. The way juan pierre does it is the best look I think in baseball. I hate high stirrups, they look retarted and serve no purpose (I blame this trend for the loss of all the great sock stripes, not the low pants). I also don’t particulary like the soccer sock look with the high pants, if you’re not gonna do it right like Juan Pierre, go with the long pants.

  • Joe Drennan | May 1, 2007 at 1:56 pm |

    Maybe Juan Pieer ought to be the Uni Watch poster child, maybe even interviewed to find out why he choses to do things right. If PL doesn’t want to do it, I’ll do it if he can get me the contact.

  • Joe Drennan | May 1, 2007 at 1:58 pm |

    Side note, when I heard about Hancock, my first thought was that for the first game back the Cardinals should have Hancock as their namplate instead of their own name, then go to the memorial patch. I knew it wouldn’t happen, but I kind of liked the idea.

  • Anthony Verna | May 1, 2007 at 1:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”79271″]Todd, I also don’t mind the low pants in baseball. I hated, HATED! wearing stirrups in Little League. The were so uncomfortable, the stirrup part would always get twisted. I wanted to wear long pants like they did in the majors. (I played little league in the late 80’s/early 90’s). But the unis we got were pullovers (which sucked) and elastic waisted pants with no belt loops that only went down to the mid shin area. So we had to wear stirrups to cover the empty space. Also, I didn’t have any long white socks, so my crew socks which were just long enough to cover the opening in the stirrup would always bunch up at my ankles leaving skin exposed between the white sock and the stirrup. This ended up looking like crap. The way juan pierre does it is the best look I think in baseball. I hate high stirrups, they look retarted and serve no purpose (I blame this trend for the loss of all the great sock stripes, not the low pants). I also don’t particulary like the soccer sock look with the high pants, if you’re not gonna do it right like Juan Pierre, go with the long pants.[/quote]

    Back in Little League, I never liked wearing stirrups. Oh, sure, they look good, but they just felt odd to wear on top of a sock.

    In sum, I like how they look, but never liked how they felt on my foot.

  • Kenny | May 1, 2007 at 2:03 pm |

    The only reason I can think of why Hudson put it on his chest is because it would pull the sleeve on his throwing arm. Since there is a patch on his left arm already, this is the only place for it. Granted it is big, but if he decided last minute and the equipment manager only had extra letters for last names, I don’t know…I like the gesture, especially being a Cardinals fan and knowing whatever everybody thought about him

  • Teebz | May 1, 2007 at 2:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”79227″]Enough already, argue-monkeys!

    Anyone know why Ron Wilson and his assistant coaches were wearing this lapel pin last night?
    [/quote]

    The lapel pin appears to be the WAG logo. I can’t make it out completely, but that looks like the similar image.

  • Chad G | May 1, 2007 at 2:08 pm |

    Any speculation on where the Cardinals are going to wear the “32” patch on the home jerseys since the already have the World Champions patch on the left sleeve? I’m guessing the right sleeve or above the other patch, but you never know.

  • subway | May 1, 2007 at 2:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”79227″]Enough already, argue-monkeys!

    Anyone know why Ron Wilson and his assistant coaches were wearing this lapel pin last night?

    For the umpteenth week in a row, John Buccigross has written that the NHL will return to home whites next season, which I thought had been debunked here months ago. Do we have anything definitive? Maybe I missed something.[/quote]

    Could it be the memorial patch the Sharks have on their sleeves for their goalie coach in pin form?

  • subway | May 1, 2007 at 2:11 pm |

    …..too late.

  • Ian K | May 1, 2007 at 2:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”79272″]Maybe Juan Pieer ought to be the Uni Watch poster child, maybe even interviewed to find out why he choses to do things right. If PL doesn’t want to do it, I’ll do it if he can get me the contact.[/quote]

    When you interview him, find out why he can’t throw out a runner at third to save his life. 45 million we’re paying this guy!!! But I do like his uni sense.

    [quote comment=”79257″]

    Any pics from the get togethers[/quote]

    This is Paul’s blog entry with notes and pictures from his visits to Dallas and San Fran.

  • Broker75 | May 1, 2007 at 2:35 pm |

    Broker75 says:

  • Matt from the 'Ville | May 1, 2007 at 2:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”79257″]

    Any pics from the get togethers[/quote]

    This is Paul’s blog entry with notes and pictures from his visits to Dallas and San Fran.[/quote]

    Thanks Ian K. I am an Idiot, I forgot that was that long ago where we got the great run down from The maker of Arena football unis. That was during tax season so those months are running together and lost in the back of my mind.

  • Josh | May 1, 2007 at 2:53 pm |

    I thought the NBA had a rule that a team could only wear two sets of uniforms for the playoffs (One home and one road).
    So why are the Fakers allowed to wear their whites for game four but their yellows for game three?
    Every other team that wears their alts must wear them throughout thei playoffs?
    Does the league let the Fakers do this only because they know the Fakers won’t have more than two home games? Or does the league just favor them over other teams?

  • Robert | May 1, 2007 at 3:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”79195″][quote comment=”79159″][quote comment=”79153″]A’s rookie hazing from a year or two ago.

    Note Nick Swisher and Joe Blanton dressed as matching plug and socket. Overtones? Nah, not much.

    Huston Street

    Freddie Bynum, Nick Swisher and Dan Johnson

    Joe Blanton

    Keiichi Yabu and Ron Flores[/quote]

    Is that a Black Label Society tattoo on Swisher (I am assuming that Swisher in the guy in the middle)?[/quote]

    The tattoo on Swisher’s chest is, ironically, a tribute to his grandmother Betty Swisher. explained in this article[/quote]

    Sure enough. Check out this Black Label Society t-shirt, though. Similar to the tat, eh?

    http://www.amazon.co...;

  • J. Deaton | May 1, 2007 at 3:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”79063″]And yes, I am sure that if ARod or some other superstar was to join the Reds and demand No. 13, he would get it.[/quote]

    Doubt it. Griffey Jr. wanted #24 when he came to the Reds and you see what number he is wearing.

    If the Reds hold a number sacred (now only #14 left unretired), I don’t care who wants it, it won’t be issued.

  • Tim | May 1, 2007 at 3:15 pm |

    What the hell..i know hes probably never going to read this, but leave Hudson alone. I’m sure if people were bitching about something you do when someone close to you die you’d be pissed.

    and another thing, who the hell cares about vertical or radial arching

  • Tim | May 1, 2007 at 3:16 pm |

    That last comment wasn’t directed at Paul, it was directed any anyone who is complaining about his tribute

  • todd krevanchi | May 1, 2007 at 3:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”79276″][quote comment=”79271″]Todd, I also don’t mind the low pants in baseball. I hated, HATED! wearing stirrups in Little League. The were so uncomfortable, the stirrup part would always get twisted. I wanted to wear long pants like they did in the majors. (I played little league in the late 80’s/early 90’s). But the unis we got were pullovers (which sucked) and elastic waisted pants with no belt loops that only went down to the mid shin area. So we had to wear stirrups to cover the empty space. Also, I didn’t have any long white socks, so my crew socks which were just long enough to cover the opening in the stirrup would always bunch up at my ankles leaving skin exposed between the white sock and the stirrup. This ended up looking like crap. The way juan pierre does it is the best look I think in baseball. I hate high stirrups, they look retarted and serve no purpose (I blame this trend for the loss of all the great sock stripes, not the low pants). I also don’t particulary like the soccer sock look with the high pants, if you’re not gonna do it right like Juan Pierre, go with the long pants.[/quote]

    Back in Little League, I never liked wearing stirrups. Oh, sure, they look good, but they just felt odd to wear on top of a sock.

    In sum, I like how they look, but never liked how they felt on my foot.[/quote]

    when i played little league, this was the look. i went through so much athletic tape to try to manipulate standard issue stirrups so they would look like them.
    http://boston.redsox...

    i guess at that point in my life i never thought to look for a different pair at a friggin SPORTING GOODS STORE!

  • Joe | May 1, 2007 at 3:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”79309″]
    and another thing, who the hell cares about vertical or radial arching[/quote]

    Everyone reading this site should have a small interest. I mean this IS the “Obsessive Study of Uniform Athletics Aesthetics.”

    ;)

  • Scott Turner | May 1, 2007 at 3:31 pm |

    Well, I liked Hudson’s sponteaneous display.

    We’ve become a nation of commodified grievers. As soon as someone famous dies — particularly in the sports world — the machine creates league-sanctioned official designs.

    Aesthetically, Hudson’s “JH” letters were sure huge. Debate that all you want.

    However, I’m totally into Hudson’s spontaneous tribute. He obviously went to the equipment manager, and possibly management, and they all pitched in to some degree.

    In this age of leagues policing every single stitch of uniform comportment, this is a good thing.

  • Broker75 | May 1, 2007 at 3:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”79317″][quote comment=”79309″]
    and another thing, who the hell cares about vertical or radial arching[/quote]

    Everyone reading this site should have a small interest. I mean this IS the “Obsessive Study of Uniform Athletics Aesthetics.”

    ;)[/quote]
    Obsessive is right. By the way, a nation involves more than 200-250 people.

  • Anthony Verna | May 1, 2007 at 3:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”79309″]and another thing, who the hell cares about vertical or radial arching[/quote]

    These things DO matter. They are a part of how we perceive our world. Are the details on a uniform noticed? Are those details seen elsewhere in life? In the grand scheme of things, sure, it’s not politics or law, but it is a part of the perceptions we have of our world.

  • jon c. | May 1, 2007 at 3:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”79280″][quote comment=”79227″]Enough already, argue-monkeys!

    Anyone know why Ron Wilson and his assistant coaches were wearing this lapel pin last night?
    [/quote]

    The lapel pin appears to be the WAG logo. I can’t make it out completely, but that looks like the similar image.[/quote]

    The lapel pin is a “WAS” for Warren A. Strelow, whohad been goaltender coach for the Sharks for 10 seasons and also was goaltender coach for the 1980 “Miracle on Ince” squad. (Sorry, I don’t have a picture.) http://www.mercuryne...s

  • Teebz | May 1, 2007 at 3:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”79324″][quote comment=”79280″][quote comment=”79227″]Enough already, argue-monkeys!

    Anyone know why Ron Wilson and his assistant coaches were wearing this lapel pin last night?
    [/quote]

    The lapel pin appears to be the WAG logo. I can’t make it out completely, but that looks like the similar image.[/quote]

    The lapel pin is a “WAS” for Warren A. Strelow, whohad been goaltender coach for the Sharks for 10 seasons and also was goaltender coach for the 1980 “Miracle on Ince” squad. (Sorry, I don’t have a picture.) http://www.mercuryne...s[/quote]

    Yeah, sorry. I apologize to the Sharks, and to the Strelow family. We were having a conversation about the tail wagging the dog here at work, and I guess it crossed over as I was typing.

    Good catch, Jon. My apologies to all.

  • Red | May 1, 2007 at 3:48 pm |

    pics for the WNBA unis:
    http://www.wnba.com/...

    Some of them look pretty darn awful, others a bit better. Since when are the names on jersey BELOW the number?

  • dpnation | May 1, 2007 at 3:52 pm |

    here’s the link to the new WNBA unis:
    http://www.wnba.com/...

    And before any smartaleck remarks, please remember there ARE some people who actually appreciate womens sports.

  • dpnation | May 1, 2007 at 3:52 pm |

    (great minds think alike, red)

  • Joe Drennan | May 1, 2007 at 3:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”79328″]pics for the WNBA unis:
    http://www.wnba.com/...

    Some of them look pretty darn awful, others a bit better. Since when are the names on jersey BELOW the number?[/quote]

    I certainly don’t like that ever uniform has the same darnd pattern, but it works for some of the teams. Seeing this has me worried about what RBK is doing to NHL jerseys. If they tinker with the Original 6 jerseys my head just might explode.

  • Zack | May 1, 2007 at 3:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”79329″]here’s the link to the new WNBA unis:
    http://www.wnba.com/...

    And before any smartaleck remarks, please remember there ARE some people who actually appreciate womens sports.[/quote]

    yawn……….

  • todd krevanchi | May 1, 2007 at 4:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”79329″]here’s the link to the new WNBA unis:
    http://www.wnba.com/...

    And before any smartaleck remarks, please remember there ARE some people who actually appreciate womens sports.[/quote]

    agreed… and appreciate sue bird, swin cash, becky hammon…

    also, in seeing the sparks home uni, it looks like they made a color change going from yellow to more of a white gold color.

  • Dan | May 1, 2007 at 4:20 pm |

    A couple points/views on the stuff above. (I got here late today…and am trying to weed through a LOT of comments!)

    Paul’s opinion- This isn’t ESPN or the NYT….this is Paul’s blog. If he want’s to say something or fold in an F-bomb…it’s HIS CASA! We’re just guests here…so I don’t htink we should be dictating content or style to him. (and that’s just MY opinion…so take it for what you will.)

    On the Tim Hudson thing- More than anything, I’m surprised that the Braves let him do it…I can understand for a former Braver or something…but for a guy un-related to the team, I’m surprised that no one said, “um…I don’t think we should.”

    On the rookie pitcher hazing- I can’t find the article…I THINK it was the Cleveland Indians or something…but they made a rookie who went to USC dress in the USC Cheerleader outfit, complete with the high, white leather boots. And then someone shot at their team bus, and this guy got hit in the calf, and the boot actually helped to take away the impact of the bullet.

    Ah…I found a link:
    http://www.usatoday....

  • Talon Lardner | May 1, 2007 at 4:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”79335″][quote comment=”79329″]here’s the link to the new WNBA unis:
    http://www.wnba.com/...

    And before any smartaleck remarks, please remember there ARE some people who actually appreciate womens sports.[/quote]

    yawn……….[/quote]

    I dunno, Zack, I quite prefer Women’s basketball to mens Golf. Though personally, I’d rather see mixed gender major leagues than seperate mens and women’s leagues.

  • alex | May 1, 2007 at 4:27 pm |

    Everton FC announced on their website that they would be debuting their new kits on Thursday.

  • Broker75 | May 1, 2007 at 4:32 pm |

    Teebz
    This question is ‘Out of the Blue’

  • Broker75 | May 1, 2007 at 4:34 pm |

    ..and it apparently got eaten. HERE’S the question. Do you prefer the old NHL shield? or the new one we have (post lockout).

  • Nolan | May 1, 2007 at 4:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”79329″]here’s the link to the new WNBA unis:
    http://www.wnba.com/...

    And before any smartaleck remarks, please remember there ARE some people who actually appreciate womens sports.[/quote]
    Why would a league short on fans make the teams look the same (except for the colors). These are just lame, the triangle at the base of the neck is a pointless design element I’ve never agreed with and what’s with the different fabric on the butt for the team name?

  • Barney Fife | May 1, 2007 at 4:59 pm |

    As an Oklahoma Cityan, count me as embarrassed by the name and spelling of our AF2 team. Shoot — I’m embarrassed by the very fact that we even have an AF2 team! We supported our major league AFL team, but they (and their really sharp unis) bolted with their out-of-town owner…

    But why the current ownership played right into the stereotype of uneducated Okies by intentionally misspelling “Dogs” is way beyond me. They should have just called the team the Red Necks. Sheesh.

  • Will | May 1, 2007 at 5:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”79063″]Dave Concepcion’s No. 13 was already de facto retired because the Reds’ excellent equipment managers (Bernie Stowe and sons) refused to assign it to any players since Concepcion retired. I wonder how often this happens, and how many equipment managers wield that kind of power.[/quote]

    Late response and I didn’t read through the rest of the comments but I have an example: the Maple Leafs haven’t had a number 17 since Wendel Clark was traded to Quebec (now Colorado) for Mats Sundin. I’m not sure it was just the equipment managers deciding that, though. I recall the president of the team saying something like, “Number 17 won’t be used for a while.” after the trade.

  • Will | May 1, 2007 at 5:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”79092″]That’s exactly it…the JH are the same letters used on the back of the jerseys, so I’m sure that’s all they had. Now from my point of view, it you’re going to be a MLB equipment manager, you should be crafty enough with twill and a pair of scissors to make a sweet smaller memorial patch, or at least know that you can run over to Michael’s or Jo-Ann Fabrics and pick up applique 2 inch letters for $1.50 that will do the job for 1 game.[/quote]
    Or he could have literally less than 30 mins, if news of Hancock’s accident came around 12:30 (when I first saw it, I think) and the Braves game started at 1. The JH was a perfectly acceptable 1-game tribute. It may not have been aesthetically pleasing but it was from the heart, which is a lot more than can be said for some other aesthetics disasters.

    I think Hudson and the equipment manager deserve a break. Nay, they deserve kudos for having such an honest tribute.

  • todd krevanchi | May 1, 2007 at 5:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”79355″]As an Oklahoma Cityan, count me as embarrassed by the name and spelling of our AF2 team. Shoot — I’m embarrassed by the very fact that we even have an AF2 team! We supported our major league AFL team, but they (and their really sharp unis) bolted with their out-of-town owner…

    But why the current ownership played right into the stereotype of uneducated Okies by intentionally misspelling “Dogs” is way beyond me. They should have just called the team the Red Necks. Sheesh.[/quote]

    ive never understood why people would go out of their way to incorrectly spell anything let alone the name of a professional sports franchise.
    whether it be typing on a message board (wuz for was, etc), or a team (former wnba team utah starzz) there is no excuse for going out of your way to spell an accepted word differently.

  • ChathamH | May 1, 2007 at 5:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”79240″]From today’s TMQ:

    This photo with the caption: “Spider-man follows the all-black alternate uniform craze.”

    I think Spidey looks better than the dudes in these get-ups.[/quote]
    Isn’t that the evil costume?

  • My Name is Not Earl | May 1, 2007 at 5:20 pm |

    Utah’s WNBA team was the Starzz because the NBA team is the Jazz.

    Plus, what did you expect OKC to do? Their first two choices for dog-variant names are copyrighted (UGA has “Dawg” and Snoop has “Dogg”).

  • Jon in SLC | May 1, 2007 at 5:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”79364″][quote comment=”79355″]As an Oklahoma Cityan, count me as embarrassed by the name and spelling of our AF2 team. Shoot — I’m embarrassed by the very fact that we even have an AF2 team! We supported our major league AFL team, but they (and their really sharp unis) bolted with their out-of-town owner…

    But why the current ownership played right into the stereotype of uneducated Okies by intentionally misspelling “Dogs” is way beyond me. They should have just called the team the Red Necks. Sheesh.[/quote]

    ive never understood why people would go out of their way to incorrectly spell anything let alone the name of a professional sports franchise.
    whether it be typing on a message board (wuz for was, etc), or a team (former wnba team utah starzz) there is no excuse for going out of your way to spell an accepted word differently.[/quote]

    Todd, I can give you the brilliance behind the Utah Starzz name. First the was the Jazz (no name significance to the state of Utah, I know), then we had our Pacific Coast League team the Buzz (now the Bees, and quite aesthetically pleasing), after Denver got the Avs (formerly the Nordiques) we got the Grizzlies hockey team, and somewhere in there some genius decided to name our new WNBA team the Starzz. So that gives us the Jazz, Buzz, Grizz and Starzz.

    I would put up links to illustrate but, nah…

  • My Name is Not Earl | May 1, 2007 at 5:27 pm |

    Regarding the “unofficially” retired numbers . . . the Steelers and Cowboys don’t retire numbers, but I can’t recall anyone having worn the “superstar” numbers since the players who made them famous retired (nobody has worn 12 on either team since those two QBs quit, for instance). The Raiders, on the other hand, seem to hand out old numbers all the time–with the exception of Jim Otto, as the NFL has said you can’t wear 0 or 00 (as LeCharles bentley will attest). Don’t know what the policy is in other sports, with rare exceptions (The Boss loved Paul O’Neill, so nobody’s going to wear his number ever again, even if it is “available” right now).

  • Thorold Blair | May 1, 2007 at 5:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”79367″]Utah’s WNBA team was the Starzz because the NBA team is the Jazz.

    Plus, what did you expect OKC to do? Their first two choices for dog-variant names are copyrighted (UGA has “Dawg” and Snoop has “Dogg”).[/quote]

    Dogs? That’d probably work alright.

  • Minna H. | May 1, 2007 at 5:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”79240″]From today’s TMQ:

    This photo with the caption: “Spider-man follows the all-black alternate uniform craze.”

    I think Spidey looks better than the dudes in these get-ups.[/quote]

    Not black. That is gray. I like the football (and rugby) all-blacks better.

    Dessert–ice cream bars/drumsticks. More accessible than beignets.

    tessa, I didn’t think of the Red Sox connotation when I suggested nation. I retract it as I wouldn’t want you to spontaneously combust.

    Joe, I forgot about the pennant. I guess we can adopt that as our flag.

  • subway | May 1, 2007 at 5:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”79362″][quote comment=”79092″]That’s exactly it…the JH are the same letters used on the back of the jerseys, so I’m sure that’s all they had. Now from my point of view, it you’re going to be a MLB equipment manager, you should be crafty enough with twill and a pair of scissors to make a sweet smaller memorial patch, or at least know that you can run over to Michael’s or Jo-Ann Fabrics and pick up applique 2 inch letters for $1.50 that will do the job for 1 game.[/quote]
    Or he could have literally less than 30 mins, if news of Hancock’s accident came around 12:30 (when I first saw it, I think) and the Braves game started at 1. The JH was a perfectly acceptable 1-game tribute. It may not have been aesthetically pleasing but it was from the heart, which is a lot more than can be said for some other aesthetics disasters.

    I think Hudson and the equipment manager deserve a break. Nay, they deserve kudos for having such an honest tribute.

    But Hudson pitched last night, more that a day after his friend’s accident. I’m not doubting his honesty or sincerity but the large letters scream “LOOK AT ME!”

  • subway | May 1, 2007 at 5:39 pm |

    more than a day…

  • Matthew S. | May 1, 2007 at 5:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”79371″]Regarding the “unofficially” retired numbers . . . the Steelers and Cowboys don’t retire numbers, but I can’t recall anyone having worn the “superstar” numbers since the players who made them famous retired (nobody has worn 12 on either team since those two QBs quit, for instance). The Raiders, on the other hand, seem to hand out old numbers all the time–with the exception of Jim Otto, as the NFL has said you can’t wear 0 or 00 (as LeCharles bentley will attest). Don’t know what the policy is in other sports, with rare exceptions (The Boss loved Paul O’Neill, so nobody’s going to wear his number ever again, even if it is “available” right now).[/quote]

    The Cowboys do have the Ring of Honor in Texas Stadium though.

    http://en.wikipedia....

    While this isn’t the same as retiring the numbers (#88, for example, was worn last year by Anthony Fasano), the Cowboys do honor past players and coaches. Also, I simply can’t imagine someone wearing 8 or 22 for the Cowboys ever again. Those are sacred numbers in north Texas.

  • Jake from the ATL | May 1, 2007 at 5:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”79244″]This is definitely nit-picky, but shouldn’t Hudson have gone all the way and used JMH (for Joshua Morgan Hancock)?

    Usually you see all three initials and not just two on those type of tribute patches or whatever you want to call them.[/quote]

    i think that huddy wouldnt have done that since he knew hancock on a personal level so he wouldnt have referred to him with hid middle initial.

    Also, I think that im in the definite minority here in that I actually liked how the memorial looked. It stayed with the uniform(using the same colors as the names on the back) and actually made you stop and think. If he had worn that black circle patch, it wouldnt have been noticed for two reasons- A) The braves are already wearing a black circle patch (33 i believe) to remember TWO former players who wore the same number. and B) if he had simply moved the JH oatch to the right side, thats his pitching arm, which is moving most of the game, making it hard to see.
    well anyways, props to TH for the nice reminder

  • Jake from the ATL | May 1, 2007 at 5:51 pm |

    also, hudson was the only one doing it, not everyone on the whole team

  • Jamikel | May 1, 2007 at 5:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”79068″]Let’s put it this way: If I die tomorrow, I sincerely hope nobody will wear a giant “PL” like that.[/quote]

    So I’m guessing you wouldn’t like it if the Mets wore their all blacks as a sign of mourning?

  • James Craven | May 1, 2007 at 6:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”79328″]“Pics for the WNBA unis:
    http://www.wnba.com/...

    “Some of them look pretty darn awful, others a bit better. Since when are the names on jersey BELOW the number?”[/quote]

    The 1970 and 1980’s Kansas City-Omaha/Sacramento Kings for one (or the Chicago State Cougars from 2004-05 except for the wrong color on the nameplate, yeccch!) And all the uniforms are craptasitc, craptacular and crapalicious! In other words, to borrow from the Chris Cramer boards, they bite, blow, stink and suck at the same time.

  • Teebz | May 1, 2007 at 6:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”79348″]Teebz
    This question is ‘Out of the Blue'[/quote]

    Is this a beer question? :o)

  • Teebz | May 1, 2007 at 6:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”79350″]..and it apparently got eaten. HERE’S the question. Do you prefer the old NHL shield? or the new one we have (post lockout).[/quote]

    I honestly preferred the old one. Here’s why: the Campbell Conference vs. the Wales Conference. I much preferred the league when it was the Smythe, Adams, Patrick, and Norris Divisions because fans who were true fans could tell you exactly who was in each division, and who the arch-rivals were.

    But the orange All-Star jersey was awesome, and they should go back to that jersey, in my humble opinion.

  • SeattleMatt | May 1, 2007 at 6:28 pm |

    ive never understood why people would go out of their way to incorrectly spell anything let alone the name of a professional sports franchise.
    whether it be typing on a message board (wuz for was, etc), or a team (former wnba team utah starzz) there is no excuse for going out of your way to spell an accepted word differently.

    I’m with you Todd. Let’s get these jerks to start spelling things correctly as well.

  • Mark in Shiga | May 1, 2007 at 6:30 pm |

    Marlins looking like pajama-clowns:

    http://sports.yahoo....

  • Tim | May 1, 2007 at 6:33 pm |

    I’m not a WNBA fan, but some of those jerseys are hideous and some not so much. The SA, HOU, and LA jerseys look terrible tho..what the hell is that on the sides?!

  • Philly Bill | May 1, 2007 at 6:53 pm |

    The Braves game that Hudson started was at 7:00 Eastern on Monday; it wasn’t the Sunday afternoon game, which was in Colorado. The “rushed tribute” theory doesn’t work.

  • Jim | May 1, 2007 at 7:11 pm |

    So you people say that the rest of us just spend our time agreeing with Paul. I think you’re nuts.

    What do you think, Paul? I mean, if you think it’s gotten out of hand, we could always try to disagree with you sometimes. Whatever you think is best.

  • Chad G | May 1, 2007 at 7:13 pm |

    huh, I wonder if the Mets pitchers do have any input on the days uniforms. Because they are wearing snow whites and blue caps. Mike Pelfry is pitching and the Mets last wore this combo during Pelfrys last start. Whats also interesting is that this is the first night gane the Mets have worn the blue caps this season. They other 2 games were day games.

  • My Name is Not Earl | May 1, 2007 at 7:39 pm |

    Keyshawn Johnson may well be done as a receiver. Was he the first receiver to wear digits in the 10-19 range since the numbering system was instituted?

  • Mike Engle | May 1, 2007 at 7:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”79423″]Keyshawn Johnson may well be done as a receiver. Was he the first receiver to wear digits in the 10-19 range since the numbering system was instituted?[/quote]
    No, Lance Alworth, #19 for the San Diego Chargers

  • Mike Engle | May 1, 2007 at 7:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”79425″][quote comment=”79423″]Keyshawn Johnson may well be done as a receiver. Was he the first receiver to wear digits in the 10-19 range since the numbering system was instituted?[/quote]
    No, Lance Alworth, #19 for the San Diego Chargers[/quote]
    Actually, on second thought, when was the number system firmly in place?
    To expand on your point, Keyshawn kept #19 through a loophole in the system. He was given #19 in his first training camp with the Jets because there were too many wide receivers, and not enough 80-something numbers. He made the team, thus felt strongly about #19 and did not want to give it up for a more “traditional” receiver’s number. Oddly enough, the NFL obliged, and he had the only “unorthodox” receiver’s jersey number for some time.
    Later, as teams complained about a lack of numbers for receivers due to tight ends and retired numbers, the NFL decided to make 10-19 kosher for wide-outs, meaning Johnson was no longer an exception.

  • Dave A | May 1, 2007 at 8:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”79394″]
    The 1970 and 1980’s Kansas City-Omaha/Sacramento Kings for one (or the Chicago State Cougars from 2004-05 except for the wrong color on the nameplate, yeccch!) And all the uniforms are craptasitc, craptacular and crapalicious! In other words, to borrow from the Chris Cramer boards, they bite, blow, stink and suck at the same time.[/quote]

    Other than the obvious, is it possible to suck and blow at the same time? ;-)

  • Metsfan AZ | May 1, 2007 at 8:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”79418″]huh, I wonder if the Mets pitchers do have any input on the days uniforms. Because they are wearing snow whites and blue caps. Mike Pelfry is pitching and the Mets last wore this combo during Pelfrys last start. Whats also interesting is that this is the first night gane the Mets have worn the blue caps this season. They other 2 games were day games.[/quote]
    Well Mr. 0-2 mnight want to consider the pinstripes then. This reminds me and I think Paul has answered this before. If the Mets go on a win streak and they keep wearing the black jerseys and caps would you be happy? I think the answer is no, but how about the rest of the Mets fans? I know the rest of you hate it when this turns into a Mets blog but … Gotta run, but I look forward to reading the answers tomorrow. For the record, if it’s black unis and World champs ok. Anything less then no go. The best solution is just “Ditch the Black!!”

  • Joey Guns | May 1, 2007 at 8:04 pm |

    Bon Jovi is on American Idol right now, wearing a Philly Soul shirt. (The Arena Football League team that he owns)

  • Chad G | May 1, 2007 at 8:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”79432″][quote comment=”79418″]huh, I wonder if the Mets pitchers do have any input on the days uniforms. Because they are wearing snow whites and blue caps. Mike Pelfry is pitching and the Mets last wore this combo during Pelfrys last start. Whats also interesting is that this is the first night gane the Mets have worn the blue caps this season. They other 2 games were day games.[/quote]
    Well Mr. 0-2 mnight want to consider the pinstripes then. This reminds me and I think Paul has answered this before. If the Mets go on a win streak and they keep wearing the black jerseys and caps would you be happy? I think the answer is no, but how about the rest of the Mets fans? I know the rest of you hate it when this turns into a Mets blog but … Gotta run, but I look forward to reading the answers tomorrow. For the record, if it’s black unis and World champs ok. Anything less then no go. The best solution is just “Ditch the Black!!”[/quote]

    During the regular season I don’t think it should matter that much, I want them to wear as much blue as possible. In the playoffs you gotta stick with a good thing, so if they keep winning in a particular uni you gotta go with it. But I would certainly want that uni to be the pins with the blue caps. Can you imagine if they won game 7 of the NLCS? They would have worn that uni in the World Series and then if they won the series we would have finally seen more of a return to the proper uni. To bad beltran can’t kit a looping curveball…he struck out on that same pitch in the first inning today.

  • keek80 | May 1, 2007 at 8:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”79351″][quote comment=”79329″]here’s the link to the new WNBA unis:
    http://www.wnba.com/...

    And before any smartaleck remarks, please remember there ARE some people who actually appreciate womens sports.[/quote]
    Why would a league short on fans make the teams look the same (except for the colors). These are just lame, the triangle at the base of the neck is a pointless design element I’ve never agreed with and what’s with the different fabric on the butt for the team name?[/quote]

    is it me or do the tops by themselves look like cheerleader uniforms?

  • junkland | May 1, 2007 at 8:26 pm |

    Watching the Angels-Royals game again…
    Zach Greinke is wearing an infielders’ glove. Pretty rare for a pitcher to use a glove that doesn’t have a closed web. It’d be really easy to see through and know what kind of grip he has on the ball.

  • patrick | May 1, 2007 at 8:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”79432″][quote comment=”79418″]huh, I wonder if the Mets pitchers do have any input on the days uniforms. Because they are wearing snow whites and blue caps. Mike Pelfry is pitching and the Mets last wore this combo during Pelfrys last start. Whats also interesting is that this is the first night gane the Mets have worn the blue caps this season. They other 2 games were day games.[/quote]
    Well Mr. 0-2 mnight want to consider the pinstripes then. This reminds me and I think Paul has answered this before. If the Mets go on a win streak and they keep wearing the black jerseys and caps would you be happy? I think the answer is no, but how about the rest of the Mets fans? I know the rest of you hate it when this turns into a Mets blog but … Gotta run, but I look forward to reading the answers tomorrow. For the record, if it’s black unis and World champs ok. Anything less then no go. The best solution is just “Ditch the Black!!”[/quote]

    you’re nuts if you say no, are you a fan of the mets, or the pinstripes? Have some allegiance.

  • tyler | May 1, 2007 at 8:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”79108″]Oops, I forgot to mention that prior to this season, Nebraska wore some nifty striped socks as well. I was sad to see them go.[/quote]

    No, they still wear stripped socks this year; if I have some time later I’ll post a few pictures from some of their home games this season. Everyone wears their pants at the knees, and its a nice classic look.

  • Sir Jock Strap | May 1, 2007 at 8:56 pm |

    Hey Paul,

    I think a lot of us enthusiats of Uniwatch understand your point of veiw on the the whole Hudson thing. Some might agree.

    I think what needs to be brought to your attention is the fact that you have a lot of readers. Good readers. Well educated readers, with a unified interest and passion. That’s a special thing when it comes to today’s exchange of ideas and entertainment. A lot of major corporations would kill for that type of interest and loyalty when it comes to there new ventures in the web. With that comes a responsibility.

  • Vincent A. Cipollone | May 1, 2007 at 9:01 pm |

    I’m watching the Marlins/Mets game and I’ve noticed a few things:

    Willie Randolf’s hat has orange holes in the front instead of all blue holes

    I also saw a guy with what looked like a Mets jersey but there was a huge Pepsi logo instead of a number

    Also, have the Cool-Flo helmets become the norm in the majors. I have yet to see a player not wear one.

  • Jon in SLC | May 1, 2007 at 9:04 pm |

    So I’m watching the Nets/Raptors game (don’t ask me why), and TNT is using colorsin the on-screen scoreboard. They have Red behind NJ but Purple behind Toronto. How about a little update in your graphics department TNT?

  • Robert | May 1, 2007 at 9:04 pm |

    During tonight’s Reds-Astros game, one of the announcers said that “in that double-flap helmet, [Arroyo] looks like a misplaced little leaguer.” Hmmph.

  • Mike | May 1, 2007 at 9:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”79457″]I’m watching the Marlins/Mets game and I’ve noticed a few things:

    Willie Randolf’s hat has orange holes in the front instead of all blue holes

    I also saw a guy with what looked like a Mets jersey but there was a huge Pepsi logo instead of a number

    Also, have the Cool-Flo helmets become the norm in the majors. I have yet to see a player not wear one.[/quote]

    The Yankees don’t use them.

  • Paul Lukas | May 1, 2007 at 9:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”79454″]Hey Paul,

    I think a lot of us enthusiats of Uniwatch understand your point of veiw on the the whole Hudson thing. Some might agree.

    I think what needs to be brought to your attention is the fact that you have a lot of readers. Good readers. Well educated readers, with a unified interest and passion. That’s a special thing when it comes to today’s exchange of ideas and entertainment. A lot of major corporations would kill for that type of interest and loyalty when it comes to there new ventures in the web. With that comes a responsibility.[/quote]

    I’m extremely curious to hear what you think my “responsibility” is. I’m even more curious to hear how this “responsibility” is somehow rooted in my readers’ level of education. If everyone reading this site was a high school dropout, would my “responsibility” be different?

    Here’s what I think: My job here is to call it like I see it and be true to myself — not because it’s what I owe you or anyone else, but because it’s what I owe myself and what I find satisfying. I suspect it’s what most of the other people here find satisfying as well.

  • steve | May 1, 2007 at 9:16 pm |

    The buccos were back in their alternate red vests tonight. They also wore the alternate hat with a red brim this time.

  • Mike Engle | May 1, 2007 at 9:18 pm |

    Hey Mr. Lukas: why do you insist on a green car? You should have gotten a black one. ;-)

  • Ethan | May 1, 2007 at 9:22 pm |

    huh, I wonder if the Mets pitchers do have any input on the days uniforms. Because they are wearing snow whites and blue caps. Mike Pelfry is pitching and the Mets last wore this combo during Pelfrys last start.

    I used to work for the Buffalo Bisons (Indians AAA affiliate) and they had about 500 different uniform combinations. The clubhouse manager said that the starting pitcher decided which uniform the team went with, ostensibly because the pitcher’s comfort was most important. Maybe it’s the same at Shea.

  • Graf Zeppelin | May 1, 2007 at 9:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”79457″]I’m watching the Marlins/Mets game and I’ve noticed a few things:

    Willie Randolf’s hat has orange holes in the front instead of all blue holes

    I also saw a guy with what looked like a Mets jersey but there was a huge Pepsi logo instead of a number

    Also, have the Cool-Flo helmets become the norm in the majors. I have yet to see a player not wear one.[/quote]

    A lot of teams don’t use the Cool-Flo helmets. The Yankees don’t, the Phillies don’t…

    The Mets jersey with the Pepsi logo is worn by members of the “Party Patrol” who shoot t-shirts into the crowd between innings.

    I don’t ever want to see Aaron Heilman pitch in a close game again. EVER.

  • BurghFan | May 1, 2007 at 9:40 pm |

    Are we UniTards?

  • Mike Engle | May 1, 2007 at 9:56 pm |

    Philip Hughes is wearing last year’s cap (grey bill). Unusual for a rookie. It’s working, though. Yankees are winning. By the way, can anyone confirm that Hughes requested 65 because it was the smallest vacant number ending in 5? I mean, it’s true that all the smaller -5’s are taken, but is that why he picked that number?

  • Mike Engle | May 1, 2007 at 9:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”79480″]Philip Hughes is wearing last year’s cap (grey bill). Unusual for a rookie. It’s working, though. Yankees are winning. By the way, can anyone confirm that Hughes requested 65 because it was the smallest vacant number ending in 5? I mean, it’s true that all the smaller -5’s are taken, but is that why he picked that number?[/quote]
    You know what I mean. Grey under-bill on an otherwise navy ball cap and a white Yankees insignia. Can the IT guys make an “edit” or a “delete” function for the posts?

  • Joey Guns | May 1, 2007 at 10:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”79480″]Philip Hughes is wearing last year’s cap (grey bill). Unusual for a rookie. It’s working, though. Yankees are winning. By the way, can anyone confirm that Hughes requested 65 because it was the smallest vacant number ending in 5? I mean, it’s true that all the smaller -5’s are taken, but is that why he picked that number?[/quote]

    Yes, it’s true. They mentioned it last week during his first start. All of the other numbers are either retired, or currently used (25, 35, 45, and 55 are currently used). It’s a shame he got hurt and couldn’t try for the no-no!

  • Sammy | May 1, 2007 at 11:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”79457″]I’m watching the Marlins/Mets game and I’ve noticed a few things:

    Willie Randolf’s hat has orange holes in the front instead of all blue holes

    I also saw a guy with what looked like a Mets jersey but there was a huge Pepsi logo instead of a number

    Also, have the Cool-Flo helmets become the norm in the majors. I have yet to see a player not wear one.[/quote]

    I’m pretty sure I saw a Barry Bonds highlight of him wearing the old helmet. Honestly, I haven’t watched enough Tigers games this year to know who switched and who hasn’t, but they are definitely one of the teams who are going with them this year.

  • ToasterPoodle | May 1, 2007 at 11:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”79329″]here’s the link to the new WNBA unis:
    http://www.wnba.com/...

    And before any smartaleck remarks, please remember there ARE some people who actually appreciate womens sports.[/quote]

    Appreciate womens sports or not, those new unis suck.
    There are about 10 things that fail the ‘good or stupid’ test.
    Paul could devote a week of columns with what is wrong with those, and still not capture just how bad they suck.

  • rphBob | May 1, 2007 at 11:36 pm |

    This should be interesting:
    http://sports.espn.g...

  • James Craven | May 1, 2007 at 11:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”79431″]“Other than the obvious, is it possible to suck and blow at the same time?” ;-)[/quote]

    I was once a member before I was banned for life.

  • tessa | May 2, 2007 at 12:13 am |

    [quote comment=”79378″]
    tessa, I didn’t think of the Red Sox connotation when I suggested nation. I retract it as I wouldn’t want you to spontaneously combust.
    [/quote]

    I appreciate your concern, Minna. I wouldn’t be surprised if the next injury to the Yankee pitching staff is spontaneous combustion. After tonight’s newest injury, there is very little that would surprise me. I am beginning to retreat into the cocoon of cynicism for protection.

    How awful is it when I see high-socked Yankees now, I think of the walking wounded of this painting?

  • Minna H. | May 2, 2007 at 12:16 am |

    I have to say, I, too, am curious as to Paul’s responsibility to his readers. As far as I know, it’s his blog started with the sole purpose of uni-watching. Yes, on some days it doesn’t stay there, and I take my share of blame/credit for that. I look to Paul to show me details on unis I might have missed (especially since I don’t have cable) and to give me his take on it. I count on him to know when the changes are happening and to post his take on that as well. I really expect him to visit the Twin Cities when he is in the Midwest.

    When he posts his views, I agree or disagree. I post about that. I do not expect Paul to censor his opinions or only post about subjects that interest me. At the end of the day, it’s his blog. You don’t like it, you can disagree respectfully or you can not read it. Paul is not responsible for his readers’ emotions or reactions to what he writes. Personally, I think Paul is pretty damn even-handed in his writing and could be a hell of a lot more incendiary if he so chose.

    That’s my forty-two cents’ worth.

  • Frankie | May 2, 2007 at 12:17 am |

    the decision to go with the cool flow helmets is decided on by the team’s equipment manager. if a team wears the cool flow helmet, but a certain player wishes to wear the standard helmet he is allowed to do so. i am a giants fan and krukow and kuiper discussed this last year on air. they were glad to hear that the giants equipment manager refused to go with the cool flow helmets because he didn’t like the way they looked nor did he see how they would better protect a batter compared to the old helmets. i might add that krukow and kuiper were very happy at the fact that the giants do not wear the cool flow helmets.

  • Minna H. | May 2, 2007 at 12:21 am |

    [quote comment=”79521″][quote comment=”79378″]
    tessa, I didn’t think of the Red Sox connotation when I suggested nation. I retract it as I wouldn’t want you to spontaneously combust.
    [/quote]

    I appreciate your concern, Minna. I wouldn’t be surprised if the next injury to the Yankee pitching staff is spontaneous combustion. After tonight’s newest injury, there is very little that would surprise me. I am beginning to retreat into the cocoon of cynicism for protection.

    How awful is it when I see high-socked Yankees now, I think of the walking wounded of this painting?[/quote]

    Nice, tessa, tying in your Yanks with a war scene. How apropos. Who’s the newest casualty?

    I hope you have the rosary working 24/7.

  • Joey Guns | May 2, 2007 at 12:28 am |

    [quote comment=”79525″][quote comment=”79521″][quote comment=”79378″]
    tessa, I didn’t think of the Red Sox connotation when I suggested nation. I retract it as I wouldn’t want you to spontaneously combust.
    [/quote]

    I appreciate your concern, Minna. I wouldn’t be surprised if the next injury to the Yankee pitching staff is spontaneous combustion. After tonight’s newest injury, there is very little that would surprise me. I am beginning to retreat into the cocoon of cynicism for protection.

    How awful is it when I see high-socked Yankees now, I think of the walking wounded of this painting?[/quote]

    Nice, tessa, tying in your Yanks with a war scene. How apropos. Who’s the newest casualty?

    I hope you have the rosary working 24/7.[/quote]

    Philip Hughes is out 4-6 weeks.

  • Minna H. | May 2, 2007 at 12:31 am |

    tessa, I just read. My sympathies (I know about a young phenom going down. And it was worse than they thought).

    At least he looks good. I know, small consolation.

  • tessa | May 2, 2007 at 12:39 am |

    Minna:

    Phil Hughes
    is the casualty.

    A little background: We Yankees fans have been waiting for him to come up for a long time because he has been developing in the minors. Because of the (many, many, many) other injuries to the starting rotation, he was brought up a little earlier than expected. There was much rejoicing. Then he stunk a little in his first outing. Tonight, he looked amazing. Amazing. He had a no-hitter through 6 1/2 innings and had to leave with a “significant” hamstring injury that will likely have him out for at least two months (if they bring him back to the majors at all this year).

    Hughes has previously gone high-socked, but chose complete pajama pants for this game. Maybe he should have stuck with the high socks. :(

  • tessa | May 2, 2007 at 12:41 am |

    Man, one can’t navigate away from the page for a minute without being rendered redundant by the quick responses of this well-educated blog community (I jest, I jest…). :P

  • Zack | May 2, 2007 at 12:44 am |

    [quote comment=”79536″]Minna:

    Phil Hughes
    is the casualty.

    A little background: We Yankees fans have been waiting for him to come up for a long time because he has been developing in the minors. Because of the (many, many, many) other injuries to the starting rotation, he was brought up a little earlier than expected. There was much rejoicing. Then he stunk a little in his first outing. Tonight, he looked amazing. Amazing. He had a no-hitter through 6 1/2 innings and had to leave with a “significant” hamstring injury that will likely have him out for at least two months (if they bring him back to the majors at all this year).

    Hughes has previously gone high-socked, but chose complete pajama pants for this game. Maybe he should have stuck with the high socks. :([/quote]

    Slight correction – 6 1/3 innings

  • Minna H. | May 2, 2007 at 12:48 am |

    [quote comment=”79537″]Man, one can’t navigate away from the page for a minute without being rendered redundant by the quick responses of this well-educated blog community (I jest, I jest…). :P[/quote]

    I know! I had to chastise Teebz earlier for this very thing. At least at this time, it’s just you, me, and Joey Guns. Maybe Frankie is still here.

    Of course, I could have held off on asking before I looked it up, but where is the fun in that?

  • Minna H. | May 2, 2007 at 12:49 am |

    And Zach! C’mon, Zach, don’t be so nitpicky. What do you think this is? An obsession for details board?

  • Zack | May 2, 2007 at 12:53 am |

    [quote comment=”79542″]And Zach! C’mon, Zach, don’t be so nitpicky. What do you think this is? An obsession for details board?[/quote]

    Sorry pal. I get the same way when people refer to hockey as having 3 quarters instead of periods.

  • tessa | May 2, 2007 at 12:58 am |

    [quote comment=”79538″]

    Slight correction – 6 1/3 innings[/quote]

    Sorry. Clearly my typo-prone left ring finger felt that Hughes should have gotten credit for first few pitches to Teixeira. Or something like that. :)

  • Minna H. | May 2, 2007 at 1:03 am |

    [quote comment=”79544″][quote comment=”79542″]And Zach! C’mon, Zach, don’t be so nitpicky. What do you think this is? An obsession for details board?[/quote]

    Sorry pal.

    I get the same way when people refer to hockey as having 3 quarters instead of periods.[/quote]

    You know I’m just messing with you, right?

    There are actually people who say hockey has three quarters? That doesn’t even make logical sense.

    tessa, it does seem like Hughes should get credit for the next two pitches since he would be on the hook for any runner on base. 6 1/2 innings sounds about right to me.

  • Minna H. | May 2, 2007 at 1:04 am |

    Hm. By my own logic, Hughes should be credited with 6 2/3 innings.

  • tessa | May 2, 2007 at 1:18 am |

    This is all beginning to sound a little too much like math.

  • spanky | May 2, 2007 at 9:58 am |