Here in Brooklyn, we’ve got a lot of Orthodox Jews. And as you may know, Orthodox wives usually wear wigs, in keeping with traditional Jewish notions of feminine modesty (additional info here). Every now and then, however, you’ll see an Orthodox woman wearing a snood — basically a glorified hairnet (additional info here) — instead of a wig. And back in 2004, when there was a bit of a wig crisis, snoods were suddenly everywhere.
And that made me happy, because I love the word snood. It sounds like one of those inherently humorous Dr. Seuss words — snood, snood, snood. I’ve always hoped I’d have some occasion to work it into a Uni Watch article, and now I finally have.
What I never imagined (but maybe should’ve guessed) was that the snood-clad athlete in question would be Manny Ramirez. Check out the head wrap he’s been wearing for the past two days. That ain’t no standard-issue MLB do rag like the one he wore last year, and it ain’t that Nike skullcap he was wearing earlier this spring, either. That there, my friends, is a snood.
Notwithstanding Manny’s amusing efforts to fit his new headwear under his cap and helmet, or the none-too-enthused reaction coming out of Boston, his snoodery raises some interesting questions. Has he converted to Orthodox Judaism? Is he considering trans-gender surgery? With Passover fast approaching, will he be hosting a Seder? Does he know where to pick up a nice loaf of challah?
Let me be the first to predict that Manny will be wearing Muslim garb by next week.
Charge Ahead Back: Now that the Chargers have officially unveiled their new uniforms, I’m less enthusiastic than I was before. My main concerns:
• Shoulder bolt positioning: Look at Kassim Osgood (No. 81) and Nick Hardwick (No. 61) in this photo — their shoulder bolts are horizontal! Looks ridiculous.
• Shoulder bolt orientation: I’d assumed that the inconsistencies we all saw in the preliminary photos would be cleared up by the time of the official unveiling. But compare the jagged points on the three jerseys’ shoulder bolts. On the home design, the top points are facing forward and the bottom points are facing back. Same goes for the road jersey. But on the powder blue alternate, the top points are facing back and the bottom points are facing forward. Personally I prefer the powder blue’s orientation, but the bigger issue is that this needs to be consistent.
• Road socks: Unitards are for uni retards.
• Helmet: What the hell is that wordmark doing on the back of the helmet?
Personally, I still like the number font, the white helmet, and a few other elements, but this is no longer the clear success I initially thought it was.
Want to see more? A video of the unveiling is available here.
Raffle Reminder: In case you missed it yesterday, the good folks at Distant Replays have provided us with three more gift cards — $200, $100, and $50 — and we’re raffling them off via a March Madness-based contest devised by Uni Watch intern Vince Grzegorek. For details, scroll down to the “Distant Replays Gift Card” section at the end of yesterday’s entry.
Uni Watch News Ticker: Spectacular breakdown here of Pittsburgh hockey uniform history, including the Hornets, Pirates, and Yellow Jackets (courtesy of Chris Hilf). … Richard Grossman recently took a tour of Petco Park, which includes an exhibit on San Diego’s baseball history. Along the way he snapped this photo. Wondering what the insignia stands for? Look here. … Reprinted from Tuesday’s comments: The AHL’s Syracuse crunch will be wearing an orange shamrock on St. Paddy’s day, to protest SU’s exclusion from the NCAA tourney. Details here. … Also from Tuesday: This 18-second video shows the main advantage of wearing a double-flapped batting helmet. … Came home from shooting pool on Tuesday night to find the following note from Adam Lecowicz: “So the Bulls are wearing green and the Celtics are wearing white in Chicago. It’s seriously taking me 30 seconds to figure out what’s going on because my instincts keep telling me it should be the other way around. It’s worse than the NHL suddenly wearing dark colors at home. I think my head is going to explode if I keep watching.” … We think of team-branded merchandise as a fairly recent phenomenon, but Uni Watch auction consultant David Brown has turned up a Cleveland Indians apron from 1948! … Good article here about golfer Shingo Katayama and his cowboy hat (with thanks to Jeremy Brahm). … Check out the batting helmets worn by the Springville (Utah) Red Devils high school team (as spotted by Paul Bridge).
Well, it’s nice to know that the Chargers used the same basic logo design w/ word mark as the Sabres and their Buffaslug.
good article paul maybe manny’s just crazy and wearing what ever he can to cover the mop on his head
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I like the general design of the new Chargers Unis not as bad as recent new duds like Arizonas to name one ,but this means when they where the powder blue its no longer a throwback ,sure the uniform is based on a throwback but with a modern template so its an alternate ,which much like the Falcons did with the Red from Black, I can see them move to Powder Blue as a primary home jersey within 2 seasons once sales of the Navy jersey start to slow down.
Les
The wordmark on the helmet looks weird because it’s a Bike helmet. Riddell’s have the little plastic flap at the bottom rear of the helmet. Wordmarks are made to fit that flap. They just stick them on Bikes where they can, apparently.
Well, Uni Watch and its amazing efficiency has trumped me again. I was at the Red Sox game yesterday and snapped a bunch of photos of the Manny Snoodfest. My friends mocked me mercilessly as I excitedly spoke of forwarding my photos to Uni Watch
(I had never heard of a snood, however, and was not going to attacking the issue from that angle. Dang fun word, I must say.)
So when I jumped on the internet this morning, what did I find? Thorough Manny coverage. Dang it. I must comb all of Spring Training until I find something worthwhile to submit . . . .
I love white helmets. They need to happen more often…except the Dolphins.
These should be the norm for MSU…
link
And Oregon would be respectable if they wore the white helmets that for the devil of me I couldn’t find in the three minutes I had before it was time to leave for work.
[quote comment=”60167″]The wordmark on the helmet looks weird because it’s a Bike helmet. Riddell’s have the little plastic flap at the bottom rear of the helmet. Wordmarks are made to fit that flap. They just stick them on Bikes where they can, apparently.[/quote]
Agreed – I’ve always thought the wordmarks look fairly stupid on Schutt helmets or on the Adams helmets. It’s even worse on a helmet without stripes like the Chargers or Bears, and bad enough on a striped helmet like the Packers or Colts. Some teams use a very small sticker that only covers the middle part of the foam padding that sticks out of the Schutt helmet, like the Bengals and the Jaguars.
FYI – Bike spun off their helmet business (the style of helmet Tomlinson wears) circa 1986-87 – they were a company called AHI briefly (“Air Helmet Industries” or “Air Helmet Inc.”, I can’t remember which). After about a year Schutt Sports bought them out.
Am I the only one who when they hear the word “snood” they think of the game on the internet that is extremely addicting?
Play Snood
[quote comment=”60173FYI – Bike spun off their helmet business (the style of helmet Tomlinson wears) circa 1986-87 – they were a company called AHI briefly (“Air Helmet Industries” or “Air Helmet Inc.”, I can’t remember which). After about a year Schutt Sports bought them out.[/quote]
I hate to quote myself, but since you can’t edit a post here I’ll do it.
I forgot to mention that Bike is a two-time loser in the helmet game. They sold off their original line (now the Schutt line) fearing liability lawsuits. After their non-compete expired they came up with a lightweight helmet that a lot of players (particularly linemen and kickers) really liked. Players such as Warren Sapp and John Kasey (the Panther’s kicker) still wear these. Bide wasn’t prepared for how many orders they received, and they were forced to sell them out to Adams.
All this info is buried in the “Ask Dr. Del-Rey” section on the Helmet Hut site, along with the histories of the other helmet manufacturers.
[quote comment=”60176][/quote]
closing bracket
Speaking as a jewish person i sure hope manny hasnt comnverted…although he might have just borrowed that from friend kevin youkilis’s locker. Funny articlelink from the same pagr as the shingo katayama article. Not uni related(unless you count the school girl) but if we think michelle wie has it bad here in america….at least she plays a real sport
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sorry heres the link
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[quote comment=”60174″]Am I the only one who when they hear the word “snood” they think of the game on the internet that is extremely addicting?
Play Snood[/quote]
I thought the same exact thing. I love that game!!
I also noticed that the bolts were backwards on the jersey shoulders; maybe this is something they can still fix before the season. Since they’re OK on the powder-blue alternate, maybe they will.
The curved bolt on the pants makes the stripe much too wide, especially on the navy pants.
It’s a shame that we have to look at a new uniform with the mindset that “Well, at least it’s not as bad as it could have been,” given the aesthetic train wrecks unleashed by the Cardinals, Bengals, Vikings et al. The new Charger uniform isn’t terrible but only in the sense that it’s not as terrible as those others; it’s close to the old design, which is generally a good thing, but is it so close as to suggest that the changes weren’t really necessary? More importantly, do the changes make it better?
* Block numerals to non-standard numerals — positive change?
* Over-the-shoulder vertical lightning bolt to across-the-sleeve horizontal lightning bolt — positive change?
* TV numerals from sleeves to shoulders — positive change?
* Adding powder blue trim to basic navy/yellow/white (three-color to four-color scheme) — positive change?
* Replacing retro powder-blue set with powder-blue alternate on new template — positive change?
* Navy helmet matching home jersey to white helmet matching road jersey — positive change?
* Straight, narrow pants stripe and bolt to curved, wide pants stripe and bolt — positive change?
* Addition or wordmark to front of jersey and back of helmet — positive change?
I don’t know if I can look at any of the specific differences between the new jersey and the old and call it an improvement. I like the white helmet, but pairing it with this new design and putting a navy cage and three-color decal on it, not to mention omitting the player’s number on the side, diminishes its traditional value to some degree, if not its aesthetic appeal.
I still think the last wholesale change that was positive was the Giants’; the last major improvement was the Buccaneers’.
Thanks. I couldn’t remember what Bikes are called now.
I wore a Maxpro helmet my last year in high school. Now there was a fine piece of workmanship. It was certainly a piece of something…
Manny is wearing a dreadlock tam. You know, the bag-like thing that link wore. You can get your own custom one link
An orange shamrock?
I’m Italian and I know that you just don’t do orange on St. Patrick’s Day.
(Even though I know it’s the Syracuse Orange. I once dated a Syracuse grad 2 years ago.)
I still don’t understand why everyone rips on the NHL for wearing dark uniforms at home, when thats what the NFL does.
I thought the Chargers switching from “throwbacks” to “alternates” was to address complaints from the NFL. They were getting pressured to just use one helmet, and the “throwbacks” would look dumb with the new helmet. (I don’t know if any other team that consistently uses multiple helmets in a season, e.g. Dallas, is going to stop.)
I don’t know how serious the NFL’s complaints were, but I remember when Seattle changed their uniforms, they originally wanted to use two different helemets (home/road) but the NFL vetoed it.
[quote comment=”60167″]The wordmark on the helmet looks weird because it’s a Bike helmet. Riddell’s have the little plastic flap at the bottom rear of the helmet. Wordmarks are made to fit that flap. They just stick them on Bikes where they can, apparently.[/quote]
Yeah. I wasn’t really sure where Paul was going with the complaint about the wordmark decal on the helmet. It’s not like the Chargers haven’t had the decal link; I guess it just looks weird because it isn’t on the plastic guard on the link of the helmet.
Another view link.
[quote comment=”60180″][quote comment=”60174″]Am I the only one who when they hear the word “snood” they think of the game on the internet that is extremely addicting?
link[/quote]
I thought the same exact thing. I love that game!![/quote]
Make that 3 of us.
Good point on LaDanian’s helmet. It is required in the NFL dress code that a sticker be on the back of the helmet. If anyone has photographic evidence, link please!
[quote comment=”60186″]I still don’t understand why everyone rips on the NHL for wearing dark uniforms at home, when thats what the NFL does.[/quote]
Actually, isn’t it the home team’s preference in the NFL? The Cowboys and Dolphins wear white at home, and I know there was at least one game in the early season recently when the Panthers opted for white.
I think people just preferred the white at home for the NHL. Imagine if the NBA suddenly switched what the uproar would be. I caught the second OT of Mavs-Suns last night, and with the Mavs in their green alts and the Suns in white, it took me half the OT before I realized they were actually playing in Dallas.
[quote comment=”60185″]An orange shamrock?
I’m Italian and I know that you just don’t do orange on St. Patrick’s Day.
(Even though I know it’s the Syracuse Orange. I once dated a Syracuse grad 2 years ago.)[/quote]
Agreed. Very much in bad taste.
There was some comment on the Chargers’ forums that the “backward” bolt on the away/road jerseys is actually the standard and that the alternate jerseys being sold at the Chargers Pro Shop show the same backward bolt.
And like it says in the FAQ, most of us NHL fans got hooked in the 70s and 80s when white at home was the standard.
It’s true that the NFL doesn’t like multiple helmets, or at least different-colored helmet shells, which is why the Jets’ and Bills’ 1994 “throwback” helmets were “inverted” versions of retro designs, i.e., green and red shells, respectively, with retro decals and, in the Jets’ case, white stripes (their 1993 one-game throwback helmet had the old decal but no stripes on the green shell). Other teams in 1994, like the Cowboys and 49ers, wore their current helmets with the retro uniforms even though they didn’t match; teams with really old throwbacks (e.g., Bears & Packers) wore plain shells with no decals or striping. Only the Chargers, Falcons and Patriots wore different-colored helmet shells with the 1994 throwbacks.
Since then, the Cowboys and Bills have worn white helmets with their retro alternates, which would suggest that the NFL had “lightened up” on that issue, notwithstanding the league’s veto of the Seahawks’ two-helmet design (and the Saints’ similar proposal, back in the early ’70s, at about the same time the Eagles had green and white helmets for home and road games). If the Chargers’ changes had to do with the league’s seemingly pointless objection to alternate helmets, that’d really be a shame.
[quote comment=”60195″]It’s true that the NFL doesn’t like multiple helmets, or at least different-colored helmet shells. . . . Other teams in 1994, like the Cowboys and 49ers, wore their current helmets with the retro uniforms even though they didn’t match; teams with really old throwbacks (e.g., Bears & Packers) wore plain shells with no decals or striping. Only the Chargers, Falcons and Patriots wore different-colored helmet shells with the 1994 throwbacks.[/quote]
Actually the link did too.
I like the chargers new threads. However I noticed that there colors are very similar to there northern collegiate neighbors UCLA.
[quote comment=”60196″][quote comment=”60195″]It’s true that the NFL doesn’t like multiple helmets, or at least different-colored helmet shells. . . . Other teams in 1994, like the Cowboys and 49ers, wore their current helmets with the retro uniforms even though they didn’t match; teams with really old throwbacks (e.g., Bears & Packers) wore plain shells with no decals or striping. Only the Chargers, Falcons and Patriots wore different-colored helmet shells with the 1994 throwbacks.[/quote]
Actually the link did too.[/quote]
Thanks; how’d I miss that?!?!
[quote comment=”60190″][quote comment=”60180″][quote comment=”60174″]Am I the only one who when they hear the word “snood” they think of the game on the internet that is extremely addicting?
link[/quote]
I thought the same exact thing. I love that game!![/quote]
Make that 3 of us.[/quote]
Make it 4! That’s a great game.
The Bulls-Celtics game the other night was confusing to say the least. The Celtics TV broadcasters pointed out the absurdity of it early and often. Donny Marshall, who’s been helping living legend Tommy Heinsohn with the color analysis on road games, had his best line of the year: “I’m not sure, but I think you can buy those green Bulls jerseys in stores.”
I kinda wish the Chargers would do apart from the white patch on shoulders with the bolt, it would look better if it were just a bolt, and not a white patch underneath, too much breakup of color.
RE: Pittsburgh Pirates (hockey)..so there was a hockey team named the Pirates, before the baseball Pirates? And when & where do the Hornets and Yellow Jackets come into play.
link mentions in passing that Cincinnati is banned from retiring Pete Rose’s uniform number. (Well, it said that when I first read it; that part seems to be gone now.)
How can MLB do something like this? Shouldn’t it be only the Reds’ business what numbers they retire?
Of course, if the equipment manager never stickes the number 14 on to a Reds jersey, then the number is de facto retired, but why does the commissioner’s office have any say at all?
Even if his banishment from baseball means that he can’t appear on the field or in the dugout to receive gifts or applause — that’s understandable — how is this their business?
Next thing you know they’ll be warning sporting goods stores not to sew #14 on Reds jerseys purchased by fans!
MLB seems to be getting really invasive about all kinds of things, including the uniforms. Forbidding retirement of numbers, forcing teams to retire numbers (Jackie Robinson’s), plastering their logo all over the place (caps and jerseys; are buttocks of the pants next?); league-wide templates for practice shirts and caps. Have they forced every team to use Majestic, or do the Yankees still have their contract with Wilson?
I’d like to chime in with another vote for “ignorant and insensitive” with regard to wearing orange on a St. Patrick’s Day clover. That’s the very definition of a half-assed idea.
ahh..here it is:
After the Pittsburgh Yellow Jackets folded at the end of the 1924-25 season, James F. Callahan, a lawyer from Pittsburgh’s Lawrenceville neighborhood, purchased the team. Callahan, who had the reputation as a frugile businessman, renamed the team the Pittsburgh Pirates after he cashed in favor from Barney Dreyfuss the owner of Pittsburgh’s baseball team with the same name.
The Pirates joined the NHL – Playing in the NHL’s American Division with the Boston Bruins and the New York Americans – on November 7, 1925 and played their games of the 1925-26 season at the Duquesne Gardens in the city’s Oakland neighborhood.
alrighty then.
I am of Italian and Irish descent.
I remember my mother always making sure we did not wear orange on St. Patrick’s Day.
Orange is the color of the Protestants who although are the minority control Northern Ireland.
You might as well walk up to an Irishman and say F- you.
To wear orange to an Irish bar is risky enough anyday of the year- to wear orange on St. Patrick’s Day you were risking a hellacious butt kicking.
I cannot believe no person in the Syracuse Crunch offices pointed this out.
[quote comment=”60192″][quote comment=”60186″]I still don’t understand why everyone rips on the NHL for wearing dark uniforms at home, when thats what the NFL does.[/quote]
Actually, isn’t it the home team’s preference in the NFL? The Cowboys and Dolphins wear white at home, and I know there was at least one game in the early season recently when the Panthers opted for white.
I think people just preferred the white at home for the NHL. Imagine if the NBA suddenly switched what the uproar would be. I caught the second OT of Mavs-Suns last night, and with the Mavs in their green alts and the Suns in white, it took me half the OT before I realized they were actually playing in Dallas.[/quote]
It’s also the home team’s preference in the NHL. The home team isn’t forced to wear their dark colors at home, for example in the predators-red wings game last night. It was played in Detroit, but the red wings were wearing white.
Wow that’s some historic facts:
Pittsburgh’s First NHL Game
On Thanksgiving night, November 26, 1925 the Pittsburgh Pirates beat the Bruins, 2-1, in their first NHL game in front of a standing-room-only crowd at the Boston Hub Arena in Boston’s Back Bay.
If you check out this page, it actually shows the standings, and Pittsburgh is 1-0. Aside from that, the Toronto team (Maple Leafs), weren’t even named Maple Leafs yet! They were still called the Toronto St. Pats, and they wore green uni’s (man I wish I had a pic of them in green). I think on EA Sports’ NHL’05, Toronto’s alt. uni is from the St. Pats team.
[quote comment=”60207″]It’s also the home team’s preference in the NHL. The home team isn’t forced to wear their dark colors at home, for example in the predators-red wings game last night. It was played in Detroit, but the red wings were wearing white.[/quote]
“Original 6” teams can wear white at home.
Dark homes jerseys are the rule for everyone else.
Here’s the Toronto St. Pats link.
As I understand it, Pete Rose cannot be involved in on field activities, and the Reds will not retire his number without him taking part in the ceremony, so his number will not be retired until th eban is lifted.
Looks like the Crunch got the message and are changing the patch:
link
(sorry no link skills, you will just have to cut and paste)
Apparently I don’t need link skills…
I hope everyone who was outraged at the Syracuse Crunch for the orange shamrock appreciates the fact that they have realized their mistake and have taken action to correct it.
Sadly, the Crunch don’t explain why they are changing it, nor do they offer an apology to the Irish.
Why can’t they just say “we made a mistake”?
Hey Paul, you want to see some wild “unis” and snoods combined? Show up to an Irish Dance Feis. (pronounced “fesh”) My daughter competes regularly and because the girls are required to wear big, super-curly wigs, they tend to wear snoods while hanging around waiting because it keeps the shape of the curls intact.
However, as involved as we are with Irish Dance, I cannot say as I have ever seen a guy wearing a snood. :)
SD E RY = San Diego Electric Railway
The Chargers new unis are decent at best. I like the white helmets, but they screw it up with the mismatched bolt pattern, and the white bar behind the shoulder bolts.
I just wish the Chiefs would update their unis. They have been basically the same since they were the Dallas Texans. I’m not asking for a lot, just maybe an alternate jersey or something. Hell, they even sell black Chiefs jerseys and yellow ones, but the team doesn’t wear them. Damn traditional ownership.
I thought that the Syracuse “Orange” (originally the Orangemen) were named for the Orangemen, which is another term for Irish Protestant.
After all, the Irish flag contains green and orange.
I’m partly Irish Catholic myself and I don’t see what a green shamrock has to do with Syracuse University.
The shamrock is a symbol of St. Patrick, a Catholic saint, and as far as I know, he has nothing to do with Protestantism, Orangemen, or Syracuse University.
Why don’t the Crunch put the logo of Syracuse University on their jerseys if they want to protest.
[quote comment=”60206″]I am of Italian and Irish descent.
I remember my mother always making sure we did not wear orange on St. Patrick’s Day.
Orange is the color of the Protestants who although are the minority control Northern Ireland.
You might as well walk up to an Irishman and say F- you.
To wear orange to an Irish bar is risky enough anyday of the year- to wear orange on St. Patrick’s Day you were risking a hellacious butt kicking.
I cannot believe no person in the Syracuse Crunch offices pointed this out.[/quote]
I’m sure that someone at the Syracuse Crunch offices pointed this out as the very reason they should wear the orange shamrock. If you remember, Syracuse University’s mascot used to be the Orangemen. Orangemen is a term for the Irish Protestants – I believe it’s a derogatory one at that, which is why they are now simply the Orange.
A few weeks ago somebody asked about a soccer goalkeeper wearing a rugby style helmet and wondered why. Sports Illustrated has given us the answer!
Petr Cech of the Czech Republic took a knee to the head in October, leaving him with a fractured skull. He returned to the field in January wearing the rugby helmet for additional protection. link.
I don’t think “Orangemen” is a derogatory term. I think Syracuse changed its name because of gender sensitivity issues.
I love the new Chargers unis, especially the straightened bolt on the shoulders!
My only gripe is the logo. It looks like a different design team seperately worked on the logo and uniforms. Why straighten the bolt on the unis and curve it on the logo?!?
At best the logo looks amateurish – at worst, it’s evocative of the awful Denver Nuggets logo.
I was really hoping for a shield-like logo this time, not exactly like the old 60s Charger logo, but something that was self-contained without a bolt flying out of it. Oh well, maybe next time…
[quote comment=”60224″]A few weeks ago somebody asked about a soccer goalkeeper wearing a rugby style helmet and wondered why. Sports Illustrated has given us the answer!
Petr Cech of the Czech Republic took a knee to the head in October, leaving him with a fractured skull. He returned to the field in January wearing the rugby helmet for additional protection. link.[/quote]
(Quoting myself, so whoever else did this you’re not alone)
I was just on Youtube searching for videos of the injury (search “Petr Cech injury”) and there are many of them. Also found a few clips showing that Petr was injured and carted off in the first minute and his replacement was injured and carted off in the last minute. Must’ve been a rough day for Chelsea fans.
Can somebody please find these Oregon kids a better hobby????
I posted this one a while back… link
And now this monstrosity… link
The sad thing…it’s the same kids, and they’ve recruited another for the basketball picture!
[quote comment=”60224″]A few weeks ago somebody asked about a soccer goalkeeper wearing a rugby style helmet and wondered why. Sports Illustrated has given us the answer!
Petr Cech of the Czech Republic took a knee to the head in October, leaving him with a fractured skull. He returned to the field in January wearing the rugby helmet for additional protection. link.[/quote]
Does anyone know if the SI galleries are archived? Have they run a gallery from Mets spring training?
[quote comment=”60219″]SD E RY = San Diego Electric Railway[/quote]
Yes, and the 2nd link showed the explanation of the jersey.
[quote comment=”60214″]I hope everyone who was outraged at the Syracuse Crunch for the orange shamrock appreciates the fact that they have realized their mistake and have taken action to correct it.[/quote]
I think it is 100% lame to do anything “in protest” of being left out of the tourney. It’s just a product of the beast that is the tourney. You didn’t see the Nationals or Wizards wearing a turtle shell patch when the Terps didn’t make it last year. It happens to mid majors all of the time and nobody stages portests! If every pro team who is in good with a local university did this there would be 5 every year wearing basketball patches.
And Syracuse in particular didn’t beat anyone…they had 1 good home win against Gtown, and they had some really bad home losses to teams who also didn’t make it. In summary, my advise to the crunch…get over it and don’t wear any protest patch.
[quote comment=”60228″]Can somebody please find these Oregon kids a better hobby????
I posted this one a while back… link
And now this monstrosity… link
The sad thing…it’s the same kids, and they’ve recruited another for the basketball picture![/quote]
Quite terrible, but I applaud their attention to detail!
[quote comment=”60169″]I love white helmets. They need to happen more often…except the Dolphins.
These should be the norm for MSU…
link
And Oregon would be respectable if they wore the white helmets that for the devil of me I couldn’t find in the three minutes I had before it was time to leave for work.[/quote]
Mississippi State wears link now. Although, I did like when they wore link at home and link on the road.
As for Oregon, I assume you’re talking about link white helmets? Personally, I liked the yellow helmets SANS the dumb flames, but WITH the green “O” decals.
[quote comment=”60174″]Am I the only one who when they hear the word “snood” they think of the game on the internet that is extremely addicting?
Play Snood[/quote]
I remember seeing a list of things you start doing once you go to college and one of them was that you would find out that Snood is more addicting than crack!
It’s a great game!
[quote comment=”60221″]The Chargers new unis are decent at best. I like the white helmets, but they screw it up with the mismatched bolt pattern, and the white bar behind the shoulder bolts.
I just wish the Chiefs would update their unis. They have been basically the same since they were the Dallas Texans. I’m not asking for a lot, just maybe an alternate jersey or something. Hell, they even sell black Chiefs jerseys and yellow ones, but the team doesn’t wear them. Damn traditional ownership.[/quote]
The Chiefs’ unis are classics. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
[quote comment=”60215″]Sadly, the Crunch don’t explain why they are changing it, nor do they offer an apology to the Irish.
Why can’t they just say “we made a mistake”?[/quote]
Cut me a break, the Irish can live without an apolgy for a minor league hockey team, almost wearing an orange shamrock on St. Patricks day.
Get a grip.
I could be wrong, but I think there’s an old tradition where Irish Catholics wear green on St Patrick’s Day and Irish Protestants wear orange.
>I think Syracuse changed its name because of gender sensitivity issues.
They made a big deal when they made the change that it was *not* a gender issue. Apparently, they were known as simply the Orange way back when. So the change was a return to form.
My high school advisor always wore an orange tie on St Patricks day. A German Lutheran who didn’t care about Ireland at all…just did for the sheer fun of ticking people off.
[quote comment=”60250″][quote comment=”60215″]Sadly, the Crunch don’t explain why they are changing it, nor do they offer an apology to the Irish.
Why can’t they just say “we made a mistake”?[/quote]
Cut me a break, the Irish can live without an apolgy for a minor league hockey team, almost wearing an orange shamrock on St. Patricks day.
Get a grip.[/quote]
Here’s a grip.
Had they said they were going to wear turbans or wear a patch of the image of the Berlin Wall, I’m sure they would have issued an apology for being blatently discriminatory. Does this not follow the same ideology?
All I said was “Why can’t they just say ‘we made a mistake'”, admitting that what they did was insensitive to an entire gorup of people. That, by definition, is discrimination.
Hey Paul/Vince,
Now that the deadline has passed, how many people submitted entries for the tournament contest? Just curious.
I think the idea of having a home/road helmet is great.
Memo to NFLP: THINK of the marketing $’s…
[quote comment=”60229″][quote comment=”60224″]A few weeks ago somebody asked about a soccer goalkeeper wearing a rugby style helmet and wondered why. Sports Illustrated has given us the answer!
Petr Cech of the Czech Republic took a knee to the head in October, leaving him with a fractured skull. He returned to the field in January wearing the rugby helmet for additional protection. link.[/quote]
Does anyone know if the SI galleries are archived? Have they run a gallery from Mets spring training?[/quote]
Is this what you’re looking for?
link
[quote comment=”60264″][quote comment=”60229″][quote comment=”60224″]A few weeks ago somebody asked about a soccer goalkeeper wearing a rugby style helmet and wondered why. Sports Illustrated has given us the answer!
Petr Cech of the Czech Republic took a knee to the head in October, leaving him with a fractured skull. He returned to the field in January wearing the rugby helmet for additional protection. link.[/quote]
Does anyone know if the SI galleries are archived? Have they run a gallery from Mets spring training?[/quote]
Is this what you’re looking for?
link[/quote]
SWEET thanks Allison! BFF!
[quote comment=”60255″][quote comment=”60250″][quote comment=”60215″]
Here’s a grip.
Had they said they were going to wear turbans or wear a patch of the image of the Berlin Wall, I’m sure they would have issued an apology for being blatently discriminatory. Does this not follow the same ideology?
All I said was “Why can’t they just say ‘we made a mistake'”, admitting that what they did was insensitive to an entire gorup of people. That, by definition, is discrimination.[/quote]
Was it really “blatent discrimination”?
how about just a stupid concept all together.
that sounds more like it.
I think the Philadelphia Phantoms should have protested Drexel not being selected for the tourney by wearing a green Dragon patch. Sounds like a totally logical idea, huh?
Agreed wholeheartedly with link — I love the Chargers unis but the white around the bold is ridiculous. It looks to me like an amateurish panel job, where they were unable to put the yellow bolt on a blue panel, so instead they just stuck it inside a white one. UGLY. Get the white out of there and just give us a pure bolt!
The Mavericks hosted the Suns in Dallas last night (damn that game was infuriating to watch, but I digress) and for the occasion the Mavericks broke out their green alternates, which forced the Suns to wear white: link
Also, mlb.com had one of their writers put together a piece shilling for the new batting practice hats: link
My favorite part:
“The BP cap also has a half-moon gusset and piping along the sides for added vapor management.”
What a load of crap….
On the horizontal bolt positioning on Osgood and Hardwick: Don’t they usually wear different pads? I’m guessing that the pads that they wore during the fashion show were just standard pads, not the bulkier ones that they wear during games.
Um, no. Discrimination is DIRECTED at the group being “discriminated” against. Showing support for a separate group of people, in this case a basketball team, is in NO WAY discriminatory towards Catholics.
Now, it seems that the orange shamrock may be misconstrued as targeting Irish Catholics specifically, but that’s quite the stretch. I can see why they changed the logos, and its to avoid this sort of assumption being made.
does anyone else think it ridiculous that this whole patch thing is done “in protest”?
i mean, what is supposed to be accomplished by this “protest”.
ok, so a pro hockey team wears a patch to “protest” the fact that a local college didnt make the ncaa tournament. what the f is that about?
for christ sake by the time they make this “protest”, more than half of all the teams invited to this tournament that they are “protesting” will be eliminated!
im sure myles brand has held several meetings with the ncaa brass to discuss possible solutions to squeeze syracuse back in by the round of 16.
please…
[quote comment=”60276″]Um, no. Discrimination is DIRECTED at the group being “discriminated” against. Showing support for a separate group of people, in this case a basketball team, is in NO WAY discriminatory towards Catholics.
Now, it seems that the orange shamrock may be misconstrued as targeting Irish Catholics specifically, but that’s quite the stretch. I can see why they changed the logos, and its to avoid this sort of assumption being made.[/quote]
I take your point on discrimination, and I don’t see any reason to think of Syracuse as anti-Catholic, but I think we can all agree that an orange shamrock this time of year is in somewhat poor taste (particularly for something so frivolous as a protestation of a basketball tounament’s committee decision).
That should probably read “basketball tournament committee’s decision”…or maybe, since it’s such a clunky sentence, I should have written something else.
on MLB.com: New caps article
link
That wacko Bill Veeck. Way ahead of his time with the Aprons.
[quote comment=”60255″][quote comment=”60250″][quote comment=”60215″]Sadly, the Crunch don’t explain why they are changing it, nor do they offer an apology to the Irish.
Why can’t they just say “we made a mistake”?[/quote]
Cut me a break, the Irish can live without an apolgy for a minor league hockey team, almost wearing an orange shamrock on St. Patricks day.
Get a grip.[/quote]
Here’s a grip.
Had they said they were going to wear turbans or wear a patch of the image of the Berlin Wall, I’m sure they would have issued an apology for being blatently discriminatory. Does this not follow the same ideology?
All I said was “Why can’t they just say ‘we made a mistake'”, admitting that what they did was insensitive to an entire gorup of people. That, by definition, is discrimination.[/quote]
Insensitivity is not discrimination, especially when its insensitivity to the hypersensitive over a dumb issue. The Irish Civil War has been pretty much over for about a decade, so unless your Gerry Adams or something I just don’t see the level of outrage over something so trivial. Are you leading the charge to eliminate the “Fighting Irish” as well?
[quote comment=”60286″][quote comment=”60255″][quote comment=”60250″][quote comment=”60215″]Sadly, the Crunch don’t explain why they are changing it, nor do they offer an apology to the Irish.
Why can’t they just say “we made a mistake”?[/quote]
Cut me a break, the Irish can live without an apolgy for a minor league hockey team, almost wearing an orange shamrock on St. Patricks day.
Get a grip.[/quote]
Here’s a grip.
Had they said they were going to wear turbans or wear a patch of the image of the Berlin Wall, I’m sure they would have issued an apology for being blatently discriminatory. Does this not follow the same ideology?
All I said was “Why can’t they just say ‘we made a mistake'”, admitting that what they did was insensitive to an entire gorup of people. That, by definition, is discrimination.[/quote]
Insensitivity is not discrimination, especially when its insensitivity to the hypersensitive over a dumb issue. The Irish Civil War has been pretty much over for about a decade, so unless your Gerry Adams or something I just don’t see the level of outrage over something so trivial. Are you leading the charge to eliminate the “Fighting Irish” as well?[/quote]
you guys do know there’s a basketball tournament on and they’re wearing uniforms and everything right?
[quote comment=”60286″][quote comment=”60255″][quote comment=”60250″][quote comment=”60215″]Sadly, the Crunch don’t explain why they are changing it, nor do they offer an apology to the Irish.
Why can’t they just say “we made a mistake”?[/quote]
Cut me a break, the Irish can live without an apolgy for a minor league hockey team, almost wearing an orange shamrock on St. Patricks day.
Get a grip.[/quote]
Here’s a grip.
Had they said they were going to wear turbans or wear a patch of the image of the Berlin Wall, I’m sure they would have issued an apology for being blatently discriminatory. Does this not follow the same ideology?
All I said was “Why can’t they just say ‘we made a mistake'”, admitting that what they did was insensitive to an entire gorup of people. That, by definition, is discrimination.[/quote]
Insensitivity is not discrimination, especially when its insensitivity to the hypersensitive over a dumb issue. The Irish Civil War has been pretty much over for about a decade, so unless your Gerry Adams or something I just don’t see the level of outrage over something so trivial. Are you leading the charge to eliminate the “Fighting Irish” as well?[/quote]
Jesse, the ‘Troubles’ in Ireland lasted from the 1920s until roughly the 1998 Good Friday Peace Accord, when the IRA agreed to disarm and renounce violence. But the struggle between Catholics and Protestants in Ireland is centuries old and thousands upon thousands of people died in the generations of violence. To downplay that IS a little insulting, especially given the level of antipathy that remains today. It may seem trivial to us here in the states, but orange and green are highly symbolic colors with much meaning–both good and bad–behind them.
By your logic, we could say that World War II is now trivial; afterall it’s been over for nearly 62 years.
Also, the nickname ‘Fighting Irish’–as someone pointed out on this board not too long ago–comes from a newspaper account which described the Notre Dame football team as playing ‘like a bunch of Fighting Irish’ and is in no way relevant to the overall argument of whether wearing an orange shamrock is in poor taste.
So I respectfully disagree with your stance.
[quote comment=”60236″][quote comment=”60214″]I hope everyone who was outraged at the Syracuse Crunch for the orange shamrock appreciates the fact that they have realized their mistake and have taken action to correct it.[/quote]
I think it is 100% lame to do anything “in protest” of being left out of the tourney. It’s just a product of the beast that is the tourney. You didn’t see the Nationals or Wizards wearing a turtle shell patch when the Terps didn’t make it last year. It happens to mid majors all of the time and nobody stages portests! If every pro team who is in good with a local university did this there would be 5 every year wearing basketball patches.
And Syracuse in particular didn’t beat anyone…they had 1 good home win against Gtown, and they had some really bad home losses to teams who also didn’t make it. In summary, my advise to the crunch…get over it and don’t wear any protest patch.[/quote]
I agree the protest patch is in really poor taste.
Patches should be for only the most special anniversaries (50 yrs, 100 yrs) and to remember those that have died. If you’re going to wear a patch for another sport – it should be a truly tragic event – an example would have been if another Oklahoma sports team wore a patch after the OSU plane crash of 5-6 years ago.
Some ski “uniform” news, from:
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Fritz Strobl, the 2002 Olympic downhill champion, ended his career by skiing down the slope in a Mozart costume complete with wig. The Austrian finished last, nearly a minute off the pace, after slowing to receive congratulations from staff and coaches on the course.
Here’s a photo:
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[quote comment=”60221″]The Chargers new unis are decent at best. I like the white helmets, but they screw it up with the mismatched bolt pattern, and the white bar behind the shoulder bolts.
I just wish the Chiefs would update their unis. They have been basically the same since they were the Dallas Texans. I’m not asking for a lot, just maybe an alternate jersey or something. Hell, they even sell black Chiefs jerseys and yellow ones, but the team doesn’t wear them. Damn traditional ownership.[/quote]
The Chiefs owner Hunt just passed away. There could be a better chance of change coming. I’m not sure how much of a new era it is.
[quote comment=”60294″][quote comment=”60221″]The Chargers new unis are decent at best. I like the white helmets, but they screw it up with the mismatched bolt pattern, and the white bar behind the shoulder bolts.
I just wish the Chiefs would update their unis. They have been basically the same since they were the Dallas Texans. I’m not asking for a lot, just maybe an alternate jersey or something. Hell, they even sell black Chiefs jerseys and yellow ones, but the team doesn’t wear them. Damn traditional ownership.[/quote]
The Chiefs owner Hunt just passed away. There could be a better chance of change coming. I’m not sure how much of a new era it is.[/quote]
I don’t know if I can imagine good-looking black or yellow Chief’s unis.
Ow. I just felt a shiver up my spine!
[quote comment=”60257″]I think the idea of having a home/road helmet is great.
Memo to NFLP: THINK of the marketing $’s…[/quote]
It’s ok for baseball to have multiple caps but I think NFL should stay with the one helmet policy. The helmet should be the most identifiable thing about the team so that you can easily recognize who’s playing. With 2x as many designs it will be harder to have unique helmets.
I also am in favor of going back to the days when the helmet was used as the primary logo for TV graphics.
How many fans do you know who buy replica or authentic helmets?
[quote comment=”60295″][quote comment=”60294″][quote comment=”60221″]The Chargers new unis are decent at best. I like the white helmets, but they screw it up with the mismatched bolt pattern, and the white bar behind the shoulder bolts.
I just wish the Chiefs would update their unis. They have been basically the same since they were the Dallas Texans. I’m not asking for a lot, just maybe an alternate jersey or something. Hell, they even sell black Chiefs jerseys and yellow ones, but the team doesn’t wear them. Damn traditional ownership.[/quote]
The Chiefs owner Hunt just passed away. There could be a better chance of change coming. I’m not sure how much of a new era it is.[/quote]
I don’t know if I can imagine good-looking black or yellow Chief’s unis.
Ow. I just felt a shiver up my spine![/quote]
Didn’t they wear yellow/gold pants at some point? Hank Stram era maybe??
[quote comment=”60296″][quote comment=”60257″]I think the idea of having a home/road helmet is great.
Memo to NFLP: THINK of the marketing $’s…[/quote]
It’s ok for baseball to have multiple caps but I think NFL should stay with the one helmet policy. The helmet should be the most identifiable thing about the team so that you can easily recognize who’s playing. With 2x as many designs it will be harder to have unique helmets.
I also am in favor of going back to the days when the helmet was used as the primary logo for TV graphics.
How many fans do you know who buy replica or authentic helmets?[/quote]
Actually, a LOT of fans around here buy them (myself included) – pro and college. We’re not really talking about different designs of the helmets but merely 2 helmets with different color shells and the SAME logo.
And I definitely prefer using the LOGOS over the helmet images. I even cringe when I see a football helmet painted at the 50yd line. To me it just seems second-rate.
With regards to the Syracuse Crunch: would any of us be talking about the Syracuse Crunch right now if they weren’t doing this? No. That’s the point. They’re a minor league hockey team and it gets them in the news a little bit and gives them some exposure.
[quote comment=”60307″]With regards to the Syracuse Crunch: would any of us be talking about the Syracuse Crunch right now if they weren’t doing this? No. That’s the point. They’re a minor league hockey team and it gets them in the news a little bit and gives them some exposure.[/quote]
We talk about patches on jerseys in here all the time. Where have you been? :o)
[quote comment=”60206″]Orange is the color of the Protestants who although are the minority control Northern Ireland.[/quote]
Ummm, minor demographic point; In the 2001 census, 53.1% of the Northern Irish population were Protestant, (Presbyterian, Church of Ireland, Methodist and other Protestant denominations), 43.8% of the population were Roman Catholic, 0.4% Other and 2.7% none. (quoted from Wikipedia). That would mean they are not the minority in Northern Ireland, they are the slim majority. I don’t have religious any ax to grind here (I’d fall into the 2.7% were I there), I just like accurate stats. And regardless of the potential cultural faux-pas, I think the patch would be A) pretty whiny and B) a silly thing for a hockey team to do. Local college team doesn’t make the tourney so the local minor league hockey team protests it? Whatever…
-Ricardo
How come Peter Cech’s link (scroll down a bit, it’s mentioned there) is referred to as a helmet? Just a minor point, but I’ve never heard of a scrum cap being rerferred to as such until big Pete started wearing his.
[quote comment=”60310″][quote comment=”60206″]Orange is the color of the Protestants who although are the minority control Northern Ireland.[/quote]
Ummm, minor demographic point; In the 2001 census, 53.1% of the Northern Irish population were Protestant, (Presbyterian, Church of Ireland, Methodist and other Protestant denominations), 43.8% of the population were Roman Catholic, 0.4% Other and 2.7% none. (quoted from Wikipedia). That would mean they are not the minority in Northern Ireland, they are the slim majority. I don’t have religious any ax to grind here (I’d fall into the 2.7% were I there), I just like accurate stats. And regardless of the potential cultural faux-pas, I think the patch would be A) pretty whiny and B) a silly thing for a hockey team to do. Local college team doesn’t make the tourney so the local minor league hockey team protests it? Whatever…
-Ricardo[/quote]
If you want stats, the city of Syracuse is 14% Irish according to the lastest census statistics I found. That would mean that in a city of approximately 150,000, you have 21000 people who say they are of Irish decent.
In fact, most Irish families have settled on the west side of Syracuse.
And people wonder why no one goes to Crunch games with ideas like this?
MetsFanAZ–anytime, and if you go link you’ll find enough Mets spring training/league pictures to keep you happy for hours. It’s a good thing you guys didn’t beat us in the NLCS last year, or I might not be so nice. :-)
[quote comment=”60198″][quote comment=”60196″][quote comment=”60195″]It’s true that the NFL doesn’t like multiple helmets, or at least different-colored helmet shells. . . . Other teams in 1994, like the Cowboys and 49ers, wore their current helmets with the retro uniforms even though they didn’t match; teams with really old throwbacks (e.g., Bears & Packers) wore plain shells with no decals or striping. Only the Chargers, Falcons and Patriots wore different-colored helmet shells with the 1994 throwbacks.[/quote]
Actually the link did too.[/quote]
Thanks; how’d I miss that?!?![/quote]
Don’t forget the Oilers – they wore a columbia blue shell with their throwback and white shells with their normal uniforms. I don’t think that was an NFL mandate for 1994 to only have one helmet – I think it was just some teams (Bills, Jets, Cowboys) being cheap and not paying for the second set of helmets at that time. Not sure about the 49ers – their helmet for that uniform would have been plain red with a white stripe, wouldn’t it? I think they just didn’t want a bland helmet with the throwback uniform.
[quote comment=”60267″]Agreed wholeheartedly with link — I love the Chargers unis but the white around the bold is ridiculous. It looks to me like an amateurish panel job, where they were unable to put the yellow bolt on a blue panel, so instead they just stuck it inside a white one. UGLY. Get the white out of there and just give us a pure bolt![/quote]
I respect that position but, as someone in their early 40s, I’ve missed that white panel on the Chargers blue jerseys for the past 19 years!
I’ll see you all later…there’s b-ball to be watched and I’m tired of reading about the struggle between Catholics and Protestants while on my favorite uniform discussion board…Go Terps!
[quote comment=”60297″][quote comment=”60295″][quote comment=”60294″][quote comment=”60221″]The Chargers new unis are decent at best. I like the white helmets, but they screw it up with the mismatched bolt pattern, and the white bar behind the shoulder bolts.
I just wish the Chiefs would update their unis. They have been basically the same since they were the Dallas Texans. I’m not asking for a lot, just maybe an alternate jersey or something. Hell, they even sell black Chiefs jerseys and yellow ones, but the team doesn’t wear them. Damn traditional ownership.[/quote]
The Chiefs owner Hunt just passed away. There could be a better chance of change coming. I’m not sure how much of a new era it is.[/quote]
I don’t know if I can imagine good-looking black or yellow Chief’s unis.
Ow. I just felt a shiver up my spine![/quote]
Didn’t they wear yellow/gold pants at some point? Hank Stram era maybe??[/quote]
No, they’ve always been white or red. I think they only wore white until 1968 or 1969 – I know they didn’t have the red pants for Super Bowl I but I believe they were wearing them during the 1969 season.
A nice little article in the NY Times about college players wearing 0 or 00. (Sorry if it requires a log in, sad to say that I have one!)
0 or 00
CBS Sportsline is still selling the NY Mets 2006 BP hat. It’s on sale for $6 off too. I’d buy that hatin a heartbeat over the 2007 BP one! (although Paul wouldn’t like the black brim) Interesting.
link
I think the idea of having a home/road helmet is great.
Memo to NFLP: THINK of the marketing $’s…
How many fans do you know who buy replica or authentic helmets?
1, seriously, so you gotta point there..and this guy is a total nut job about that ‘shite’.
[quote comment=”60328″]I’ll see you all later…there’s b-ball to be watched and I’m tired of reading about the struggle between Catholics and Protestants while on my favorite uniform discussion board…Go Terps![/quote]
You can watch it for free, Joe! Or at least, that’s what I’ve been doing between refreshing the Uni Watch screen.
[quote comment=”60335″][quote comment=”60328″]I’ll see you all later…there’s b-ball to be watched and I’m tired of reading about the struggle between Catholics and Protestants while on my favorite uniform discussion board…Go Terps![/quote]
You can watch it for free, Joe! Or at least, that’s what I’ve been doing between refreshing the Uni Watch screen.[/quote]
Yeah, I watched a bit on lunch, it was the two teams who were playing at HSBC Arena in Buffalo. Sorry, don’t know or maybe remember who they were.
I’ve watched on and off. I hope to watch a ton tomorrow.
I plead ignorance to ‘the tournament’, is it-you lose your out? or round robin ???
Snood is also a computer puzzle game my mother is addicted to, check it out its pretty fun haha
[quote comment=”60347″]I plead ignorance to ‘the tournament’, is it-you lose your out? or round robin
???[/quote]
It’s you lose and you’re out.
[quote comment=”60195″]It’s true that the NFL doesn’t like multiple helmets, or at least different-colored helmet shells, which is why the Jets’ and Bills’ 1994 “throwback” helmets were “inverted” versions of retro designs, i.e., green and red shells, respectively, with retro decals and, in the Jets’ case, white stripes (their 1993 one-game throwback helmet had the old decal but no stripes on the green shell). Other teams in 1994, like the Cowboys and 49ers, wore their current helmets with the retro uniforms even though they didn’t match; teams with really old throwbacks (e.g., Bears & Packers) wore plain shells with no decals or striping. Only the Chargers, Falcons and Patriots wore different-colored helmet shells with the 1994 throwbacks.
Since then, the Cowboys and Bills have worn white helmets with their retro alternates, which would suggest that the NFL had “lightened up” on that issue, notwithstanding the league’s veto of the Seahawks’ two-helmet design (and the Saints’ similar proposal, back in the early ’70s, at about the same time the Eagles had green and white helmets for home and road games). If the Chargers’ changes had to do with the league’s seemingly pointless objection to alternate helmets, that’d really be a shame.[/quote]
I can’t remember where I read/ heard this, but the Cowboys didn’t wear the complete throwback uni in 1994 because it was a throwback to a team that was winless, and felt like that was not a thing to be honored/ remembered.
This could be a total urban legend, but I am almost 100% positive I read that somewhere, and I think the quote could be attributed to Troy Aikman.
Can anyone corroborate my story?
[quote comment=”60185″]An orange shamrock?
I’m Italian and I know that you just don’t do orange on St. Patrick’s Day.
(Even though I know it’s the Syracuse Orange. I once dated a Syracuse grad 2 years ago.)[/quote]
I think that is the point of the PROTEST. when yuo protest, you dont conform.
[quote comment=”60215″]Sadly, the Crunch don’t explain why they are changing it, nor do they offer an apology to the Irish.
Why can’t they just say “we made a mistake”?[/quote]
Come on man, really?
Are we THAT spoiled as a nation that we need an apology from a minor league hockey team that tried to do right by standing up for their hometown brothers?
Let it go.
I am Irish and couldnt care less. I wouldnt have minded the orange shamrock.
They fixed their mistake, let it go.
I mean, I hope you dont cancel your season tickets to the Syracuse Crunch over this.
[quote comment=”60229″]
Does anyone know if the SI galleries are archived? Have they run a gallery from Mets spring training?[/quote]
Hey MetsFan,
Head over to link or link They are the best 2 Mets blogs around. (slight edge to MetsBlog).
Here is a Spring Training series that I found on MetsBlog…
link
There is a few weird pics of Omar getting yelled at by some guy. And a few really good pitcher sequences.
[quote comment=”60321″][quote comment=”60198″][quote comment=”60196″][quote comment=”60195″]It’s true that the NFL doesn’t like multiple helmets, or at least different-colored helmet shells. . . . Other teams in 1994, like the Cowboys and 49ers, wore their current helmets with the retro uniforms even though they didn’t match; teams with really old throwbacks (e.g., Bears & Packers) wore plain shells with no decals or striping. Only the Chargers, Falcons and Patriots wore different-colored helmet shells with the 1994 throwbacks.[/quote]
Actually the link did too.[/quote]
Thanks; how’d I miss that?!?![/quote]
Don’t forget the Oilers – they wore a columbia blue shell with their throwback and white shells with their normal uniforms. I don’t think that was an NFL mandate for 1994 to only have one helmet – I think it was just some teams (Bills, Jets, Cowboys) being cheap and not paying for the second set of helmets at that time. Not sure about the 49ers – their helmet for that uniform would have been plain red with a white stripe, wouldn’t it? I think they just didn’t want a bland helmet with the throwback uniform.[/quote]
Oh, man, I missed that too. Let me make sure I’ve got these 1994 throwback helmets right (sorry for the think-aloud, I’m doing this from memory):
Arizona: Same-color plain shell.
Atlanta: Different-color retro helmet.
Buffalo: Same-color pseudo-retro helmet.
Chicago: Same-color plain shell.
Cincinnati: Same-color retro helmet.
Cleveland: Same helmet.
Dallas: Same helmet.
Denver: Different-color retro helmet.
Detroit: Same-color plain shell.
Green Bay: Same-color plain shell.
Houston: Different-color retro helmet.
Indianapolis: Same helmet.
Kansas City: Same helmet.
LA Raiders: Same-color retro helmet.
LA Rams: Same helmet.
Miami: Same-color retro helmet.
Minnesota: Same helmet.
New England: Different-color retro helmet.
New Orleans: Same helmet.
NY Giants: Same-color retro helmet.
NY Jets: Same-color pseudo-retro helmet.
Philadelphia: Same-color retro helmet.
Pittsburgh: Same-color plain shell.
San Diego: Different-color retro helmet.
San Francisco: Same helmet.
Seattle: Same helmet.
Tampa Bay: Same helmet.
Washington: Same-color plain shell.
I don’t know about the Jets and Bills being “cheap;” it’s not easy to remove decals from helmets and re-condition them to be usable, so they probably had a second set of helmets with the retro decals. It might have had more to do with Boomer Esiason and Jim Kelly not wanting to have to look for white helmets being so used to green and red, respectively. Remember the Bills went from white to red shells originally in 1984 to try to cut down on Joe Ferguson’s INT’s. I’m just guessing about that as I’ve never actually heard or read it.
I never really understood why those two teams “cheated” on the retro helmets, and I was disappointed about it then, especially the Jets as I’d always loved their white helmets (which, thankfully, they went back to in 1998).
Speaking of which, I just got my hands on a 1978 Jets yearbook. Nothing in there about that year’s new uniforms (other than the logo on the cover), but all the pics from ’77 show the “old” uniform, notable in that many of the familiar Jet players of the green-helmet era are shown in the white-helmet set, including Richard Todd, Bruce Harper, Wesley Walker, Joe Klecko, Pat Leahy and others. Very cool. And, some (though not all) of the photos show serif lettering on the jerseys, which I had previously thought the Jets never used until the ’90s.
I’m still trying to find the ’79 yearbook, which if I recall has at least one photo of a player wearing the green helmet with the old jersey.
[quote comment=”60353″]
I mean, I hope you dont cancel your season tickets to the Syracuse Crunch over this.[/quote]
I don’t live in Syracuse, but I have seen a Crunch game live. Me and the 10 other people that were at the arena seemed to enjoy ourselves.
Honestly, I wouldn’t cancel my tickets if I lived there, but my grandfather, a proud and loyal Irishman, probably would have burnt the place down had he still been alive to see that. As he used to say, “the green in my blood runs deeper than the red”.
Is it just me, or do the lightning bolts on LaDanian Tomlinsons’ helmet look uneven?
Anent “orange” and the Irish: I don’t have a dog in this fight, but doesn’t the Irish national flag include ORANGE as one of its colors?
I just thought I’d share this tidbit about the new polyester 5050 MLB caps.
I am the PA Announcer for one of the Cactus League spring training teams here in the Phoenix area.
I was talking to one of our team’s media relations guys the other day about the new caps, and he mentioned that most of the players really don’t like them. From what he said, many players will still be wearing the old wool caps once the season gets underway.
There is speculation that these polyester caps may go the way of the “new” synthetic NBA ball, and not make it through the season.
[quote comment=”60363″]Anent “orange” and the Irish: I don’t have a dog in this fight, but doesn’t the Irish national flag include ORANGE as one of its colors?[/quote]
Nice little history on the Irish flag here: link
Relevant part:
In numerous songs and poems, the colours are enumerated as “green, white and gold”[2]. Flags based on this will have a yellow stripe rather than an orange one. This is actively discouraged by the state[1]. Having “gold” in place of “orange” may variously be interpreted as simple poetic license, a throwback to the green and gold flag of nineteenth century nationalism, or a desire to downplay the symbolism of “green” Ireland being in harmony with Orangeism[3].
12 on GW doesn’t have a uni name
looks like he is Johnny Lee a freshman who played in 3 games this year averaging 1.7 minutes and 1.0 ppg..
walk on?
Hi
I grew up and live in Northern Ireland ,and realy dont care about the whole religion thing abit like about 90% of the population here, so just leave it to us thanks this is sport not religion or polotics.
Les
About the Chargers unis-the perfect analogy would be Van Halen circa late ’90s. Music lovers will probably agree with me.
The fans kept clamoring for the original (Powder blues/David Lee Roth), yet they stuck with the newer incarnation (Navy blue/Sammy Hagar). They teased fans by sometimes going back to the original (Throwback jerseys/DLR in ’96).
So when it came time to make a change, did they go back to the original (and best choice possible)? No, they went to a mix of the original and new (the new navy/powder blue combination/Gary Cherone, who sang both DLR and Van Hagar songs in concert).
The result: total disaster.
[quote comment=”60372″]About the Chargers unis-the perfect analogy would be Van Halen circa late ’90s. Music lovers will probably agree with me.
The fans kept clamoring for the original (Powder blues/David Lee Roth), yet they stuck with the newer incarnation (Navy blue/Sammy Hagar). They teased fans by sometimes going back to the original (Throwback jerseys/DLR in ’96).
So when it came time to make a change, did they go back to the original (and best choice possible)? No, they went to a mix of the original and new (the new navy/powder blue combination/Gary Cherone, who sang both DLR and Van Hagar songs in concert).
The result: total disaster.[/quote]
so to finish the analogy a special teamer is the only one who goes to the HOF induction ceremony??
It is so entertaining to read a debate about the whole Irish/Catholic/Protestant/Orange thing with people being totally civil with each other and then read a rant by Travis. Notice which argument gets discussed and which one draws questions about invectives that no one even understands.
Uni-wise: The Charger uni’s are growing on me. While sad, I keep in mind that they could have been worse. I wish they had the numbers on the helmets. I think incorporating that into the new uniform would have fit with their idea of blending their history with their future.
Also, I know I must have missed this somewhere in reading the articles but what is the deal with throwbacks from now on? Are they limited to a certian number of games? I imagine it would be strange seeing the Chargers go consecutive weeks with powder blue unis on.
[quote comment=”60236″][quote comment=”60214″]I hope everyone who was outraged at the Syracuse Crunch for the orange shamrock appreciates the fact that they have realized their mistake and have taken action to correct it.[/quote]
I think it is 100% lame to do anything “in protest” of being left out of the tourney. It’s just a product of the beast that is the tourney. You didn’t see the Nationals or Wizards wearing a turtle shell patch when the Terps didn’t make it last year. It happens to mid majors all of the time and nobody stages portests! If every pro team who is in good with a local university did this there would be 5 every year wearing basketball patches.
And Syracuse in particular didn’t beat anyone…they had 1 good home win against Gtown, and they had some really bad home losses to teams who also didn’t make it. In summary, my advise to the crunch…get over it and don’t wear any protest patch.[/quote]
Yes, thanks for posting this. Kind of sick & tired of all the Syracuse whining & crying. GET OVER IT !!
[quote comment=”60185″]An orange shamrock?
I’m Italian and I know that you just don’t do orange on St. Patrick’s Day.
(Even though I know it’s the Syracuse Orange. I once dated a Syracuse grad 2 years ago.)[/quote]
Orange is worn on St. Patricks day by Protestants. It actually is a yearly protest by the loyal protestants against the catholic Irish…who started the tradition of wearing green in their St. Patrick day parades…which they happened to ban protestants from participating in. Its just a small part of the overall conflict that the Irish people have lived with for years. I’m assuming that the person who came up with the Orange protest on the AHL jerseys knew of at least part of the Orange history in Ireland.
Being a descendant of Irish folks in the US and a Lutheran (protestant) I normally attempt to wear both green and Orange…
SNOOD is a good word. I;ve always thought that. Driving my wife nuts today…snoodsnoodsnoodsnood…
From my seat at the OSU-Marist NIT game.. ballboy link
1. I’ve never played Snood. Now, I must check it out.
2. I don’t like the Chargers’ new unis. I REALLY don’t like the shoulder bolts.
3. Since I have seen a number of people use the Vikings’ unis in comparison (as in, ‘At least the Chargers’ new unis aren’t as bad as the the Vikings’!’), is it safe to assume that most people on this board think the Vikings have the ugliest uni in the NFL? If so, at least I can be proud of them for being the ‘best’ at something (other than getting drunk and acting stupid). Sigh. Let’s go Twins.
Acting stupidly. The Vikings are good at acting stupidly. Sheesh!
[quote comment=”60468″]
3. Since I have seen a number of people use the Vikings’ unis in comparison (as in, ‘At least the Chargers’ new unis aren’t as bad as the the Vikings’!’), is it safe to assume that most people on this board think the Vikings have the ugliest uni in the NFL? If so, at least I can be proud of them for being the ‘best’ at something (other than getting drunk and acting stupid). Sigh. Let’s go Twins.[/quote]
Not even close to being as ugly as the Bills. The Bills get my vote as worst unis among all major US sports teams.
I dont think the Vikes unis are the worst. In my opinion, I believe that title goes to the Browns. I also just dont like the Seahwks unis at all.
[quote comment=”60202″]RE: Pittsburgh Pirates (hockey)..so there was a hockey team named the Pirates, before the baseball Pirates? And when & where do the Hornets and Yellow Jackets come into play.[/quote]
The baseball Pirates came first. They got that name when they snatched up one of the Philadelphia Athletics’ best players when Philly forgot to reserve him after the Players League folded in 1890.
The hockey team and the NFL team were both named “Pirates” after the baseball team. But the baseball team did follow those teams by switching to a black and gold color scheme in (I think) 1948.
That definitely is a neat site about Pittsburgh hockey history!
Zabian Dowdell of Virginia Tech will most likely be showing off his link in the Tourney on Friday. I’m pretty sure that they say say “ZAY” for Zabian in the circle on the ankle, and “Muck City” is written on them somewhere(nickname of Dowdell’s hometown, Pahokee FL).
link from the Jan 7th VT student paper mentions the shoes after their debut in a win at Duke. In the article, Dowdell explains “I’ve been waiting to break them out, and I’m glad Coach (Greenberg) let me wear them. He told me that he wouldn’t let me wear them because he waited until everyone got black shoes on the team. I’m glad he let me wear them, because they felt great today.â€Â
Oops, the image doesnt work, but its the same as the photo in the linked article. Goodnight.
My ‘kids’ have been wearing link for a long time.
the socks dont match the chargers road pants
[quote comment=”60359″]Is it just me, or do the lightning bolts on LaDanian Tomlinsons’ helmet look uneven?[/quote]
It’s not just you. I noticed that the other day as well. One is farther toward the front than the other. It may just be the picture though.
Even MAnny would know that you DON’T buy challah at all for Passover! This is the holiday of the unleavened bread (matzo).
Manny can keep searching for the perfect challah until Rosh Hashanah, where you get the round kind with raisins.
The Irish flag includes green for Irish Catholics, Orange for Irish Protestants, and white for the hypothetical peace between them in a united Ireland.
The biggest mistake here was to wear an orange shamrock. If they had just worn an orange jersey, no one would have cared. A lot of people still care about the last 300 years of Irish history, and take the colors very seriously. Wearing orange in an Irish bar on St. Patrick’s Day will most likely get your ass kicked, or in the rough Irish bars of the Bronx and Boston might get you worse.
Many people would consider it akin to barging into a Muslim or orthodox Jewish house and feasting on a giant ham.
I’m surprized that Notre Dame didn’t wear any special green uniforms or green accented uniforms for their game today. They are the Fighting Irish and tommorow is St. Patty’s day
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Yahoo has a video about the new BP caps, with the caption “Major League Baseball players are wearing something entirely different this spring. Gone are the traditional wool ball caps, replaced by something entirely new. But not everyone likes the modern lids.”
If they’re going to criticize, can they at least get their facts straight? Yes, the wool caps are being replaced but the new polyester game caps look exactly the same. These just replace the old BP caps, which most people probably didn’t even know existed. And if they want to get really technical, the old BP caps were 100% polyester and these are 62% polyester and 38% wool.
Did they realize that an orange shamrock on St. Patrick’s Day has a somewhat more political implication than just a protest of Syracuse being left out of the tourney?
Snood? Not really. Manny has dreads. That makes the headgear a “tam” like Bob Marley wore. I expected better from Uni Watch.
What does religious fanaticism have to do with unis?
I dont care if some towelhead’s wife wears a bag over her head, why would I care if some other idiots faith tells him the same?
21st century is calling…just thought youd like to know.