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Throwback … All the Way to Last Season

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Almost every day I get e-mails from readers, telling me about this or that uni development that they’ve noticed. But Zach Smith, who wrote to me yesterday, went a step further — instead of just telling me about something, he investigated it first, and came up with some revealing information about the inner workings of a big-time college hoops program. Here’s what he sent me:

I’m a student at Wake Forest. At our basketball game Wednesday night against Clemson, we wore a throwback uniform that at the time I didn’t recognize. It also had a patch that I couldn’t quite make out. I haven’t been able to find any pictures of it, but the still shot from ESPN.com’s video highlights shows it reasonably well.

I was curious, so I sent e-mails today to several people in the athletic department, including Mike Muse, Director of Basketball Operations, and Dean Buchan, Assistant Athletic Director for Media Relations asking about the uniforms. Here were their replies [and my exchanges with them]:

Dean Buchan: Uniforms are modeled after 1962 Final Four team. We wore them once last season as part of our 100th season celebration. The patch documents the 100th season (we just left the patch on there from last season).

Zach Smith: Thanks for the information! Were they worn last night just for fun, or was there some special reason for breaking them out again? Whose decision was it to wear them?

Buchan: They just wanted to try something new and they like the look of the uniforms.

——

That wasn’t a great response, since it clearly wasn’t “something new” in any way — they’re throwbacks and they wore them last year. But Mike Muse’s response was a bit more helpful:

Mike Muse: Patch was for the 100-year anniversary that took place last year. Uniforms were a throwback to the 1962 year — that was the final four team.

Zach Smith: Thanks for the info. Out of curiosity, whose decision was it to wear them? Was there any kind of special occasion or was it just for fun?

Mike Muse: Coaching staff decision! As a tribute to our past history.

I actually really liked the uniform, although I found it a little interesting that they would just recycle something like that from last year and leave the 100-year patch on it. I can’t recall any other times when teams randomly wore throwbacks and didn’t mention anything about it or plan it out or anything. The whole thing seemed pretty spur of the moment.

Coupla thoughts here: First, kudos to Zach for taking the initiative to investigate the situation on his own instead of leaving it up to someone else (read: me). And I’m impressed that Muse and Buchan both answered him so quickly, even if their responses left a lot to be desired (welcome to my world).

But what’s the deal with using last year’s throwbacks? Something doesn’t add up. Like, if they saved the uniforms, that means they were intending (or at least considering) to use them again, so why wouldn’t they remove the 100th-anniversary patch? And since last year’s roster wasn’t the same as this year’s, would they have to make adjustments in sizing, uni numbers, etc.? Something doesn’t quite add up here. Hmmmmm….

Extra! Saturday Edition on Tap: Webmaster John Ekdahl will be contributing a bonus entry tomorrow. You’ll either be excited or appalled, depending on your viewpoint, to learn that the subject will be NASCAR (a sport I know even less about than soccer). John is down in Daytona at this very moment, in fact — he said something about siphoning jet fuel from Michael Waltrip’s car — so he’ll be delivering the on-scene uni news as the racing season kicks off. Assuming there are any drivers left who haven’t been disqualified by then, that is.

Monday’s a holiday, but I’ll probably do a small entry that day anyway. Uni Watch never (well, rarely) rests!

Uni Watch News Ticker: As most of you have probably heard by now, the Yankees will wear a black armband in honor of Cory Lidle this season. … Looking to customize a jersey? “You can order yards and yards of tackle twill and other cool things from this site,” reports Joe Hilseberg. “They even have a custom cut center where you can order pre-made transfers with vinyl names and numbers that, for those of us who have heat presses, can be used to make quick personalized shirts.” … Jason Isringhausen appears to be wearing his faux-stirrup socks down at his ankles (as spotted by M. Keegan). … Hahahahahahaha. … Steve Johnston reports that White Sox outfielder Brian Anderson is changing his uniform number from 44 to 32. … According to Josh Yetmar, this is what the 1978-79 Cleveland Barons would have worn, had they not merged with the North Stars. Further details here. … Hilarious article here about Scott Schoeneweis’s reaction when he showed up at Mets camp and found he’d been assigned uni number 36, instead of his longtime 60.

 

142 comments to Throwback … All the Way to Last Season

  • graham | February 16, 2007 at 9:02 am |

    Not quite Uni-related here, more like hair related. I was watching the Cavs – Lakers game last night, and I noticed the back of Drew Gooden’s head. What is that thing sitting there below his headband?

  • Jonathon | February 16, 2007 at 9:03 am |

    Here’s what was written in an article for today’s Atlanta Journal-Constitution:

    “They wouldn’t say so publicly, but Braves players and staff members gave unfavorable reviews to new batting practice jerseys and caps. Red and white swaths were added to the navy blue jerseys, and a red satin accent was added to each side of the blue caps. The caps were particularly unappealing to some Braves, including one who said it created the appearance of wearing a skull cap under the cap.”

    http://www.ajc.com/s...

  • Robert | February 16, 2007 at 9:07 am |

    A NASCAR Uni Entry? Outstanding. Will it be focused on drivers’ suits alone, or will paint schemes to discussed? In a way, paint schemes are more Uni-like than drivers’ suits.

    (Note to the non-fans of NASCAR: Please spare us the “racing is not a sport” “NASCAR sucks” and other such comments. If you do not like racing, that’s fine. A lot of us politely put up with Uni-related soccer and hockey talk, while not giving a flip about those sports, so some courtesy here would be appreciated as well.)

  • Jonathon | February 16, 2007 at 9:07 am |

    Looks like Nike has some new workout shorts for MLB teams this year. In the link below, in picture #7, it shows Braves pitchers warming up. One player is wearing last year’s shorts, with the horizontal red and white stripe. The other players are wearing the new shorts, with a thin vertical red stripe. The old shorts were Nike Sphere Dry, and are very comfortable. I’m not sure about the material for the new shorts. I also noticed that the Yankees wear Adidas shorts for their workouts.

    http://lpe.ajc.com/g...

  • Brian Baute | February 16, 2007 at 9:13 am |

    Here’s a piece about former A’s talking about their love (or hate) of white shoes.

  • Richard | February 16, 2007 at 9:21 am |

    [quote comment=”55675″]A NASCAR Uni Entry? Outstanding. Will it be focused on drivers’ suits alone, or will paint schemes to discussed? In a way, paint schemes are more Uni-like than drivers’ suits.

    (Note to the non-fans of NASCAR: Please spare us the “racing is not a sport” “NASCAR sucks” and other such comments. If you do not like racing, that’s fine. A lot of us politely put up with Uni-related soccer and hockey talk, while not giving a flip about those sports, so some courtesy here would be appreciated as well.)[/quote]

    I second the outstanding! I can’t wait for some NASCAR notes – different sponsorships, color schemes, etc.

  • Jonathon | February 16, 2007 at 9:21 am |

    Actually, Yankees players are wearing all kinds of different team-issued workout shorts.

    First, there’s the adidas shorts with the “NY” logo:
    http://sports.yahoo....
    and
    http://sports.yahoo....

    Then there’s last year’s Nike Sphere Dry shorts:
    http://sports.yahoo....

    There’s this year’s Nike shorts:
    http://sports.yahoo....
    and
    http://sports.yahoo....

    There’s Jeter wearing shorts that are probably part of the Jordan line:
    http://sports.yahoo....

    And there’s Nike shorts with a thicker stripe that Mussina is wearing:
    http://sports.yahoo....

  • Nick | February 16, 2007 at 9:22 am |

    [quote comment=”55676″]Looks like Nike has some new workout shorts for MLB teams this year. In the link below, in picture #7, it shows Braves pitchers warming up. One player is wearing last year’s shorts, with the horizontal red and white stripe. The other players are wearing the new shorts, with a thin vertical red stripe. The old shorts were Nike Sphere Dry, and are very comfortable. I’m not sure about the material for the new shorts. I also noticed that the Yankees wear Adidas shorts for their workouts.

    http://lpe.ajc.com/g...

    The same style hats have infiltrated the Reds camp along with T-shirts proclaiming 2006 Cincinnati Reds Spring Training.

  • Jonathon | February 16, 2007 at 9:23 am |

    And, at lest for now, the Yanks are actually wearing the new BP caps. They’ve usually shunned them in favor of the wool game caps during spring training.

    http://sports.yahoo....

  • Dane | February 16, 2007 at 9:24 am |

    Follow-up from a late-night post:
    one more bad luck, not overly uni related but in Nascar and any raceing for that matter, green is a bad luck color. A lot of drivers will not drive or wear green to save their lives. But when Bobby Labonte (sp?) won the title in 2000, i guess that proves it wrong.

    Everyone in Great Britain will probably disagree with this statement. Many of Britain’s (pre-1970) racing teams and drivers enjoyed success in machinery painted British Racing Green. A slightly brighter version of BRG made a comeback in 2000 with the debut of the Jaguar F1 team. Sadly, no paint job in the world could have overcome the shoddy management and Ford’s financial difficulites.

    http://en.wikipedia....

  • jkads | February 16, 2007 at 9:26 am |

    [quote comment=”55673″]Not quite Uni-related here, more like hair related. I was watching the Cavs – Lakers game last night, and I noticed the back of Drew Gooden’s head. What is that thing sitting there below his headband?[/quote]

    Per this article:

    Fans have been wondering what’s up with that little patch of hair on the back of Drew Gooden’s head. So Garbage Time asked the starting power forward about it. “I want to see how long I could grow it. My teammates doubt that I can grow it out throughout the whole season, but I told them I could, so we’ll see what happens.”

    How does Gooden expect it to look when it’s come to fruition? “I’m going to get it braided and put two beads on it. I might dye the tip blonde. It’s an ‘80s thing and I’m an ‘80s baby. I had a duck-tail a.k.a a “Gucci tail” back in the 80s, so I’m bringing it back.”

  • NickNH | February 16, 2007 at 9:29 am |

    [quote comment=”55673″]Not quite Uni-related here, more like hair related. I was watching the Cavs – Lakers game last night, and I noticed the back of Drew Gooden’s head. What is that thing sitting there below his headband?[/quote]

    It’s actually a patch of hair. I’ve heard he’s growing a tail…it’s really just all kinds of bad news, a tremendously stupid look during the process and when it finally ends.

  • Michael Churchill | February 16, 2007 at 9:33 am |

    [quote comment=”55684″]Follow-up from a late-night post:
    one more bad luck, not overly uni related but in Nascar and any raceing for that matter, green is a bad luck color. A lot of drivers will not drive or wear green to save their lives. But when Bobby Labonte (sp?) won the title in 2000, i guess that proves it wrong.

    Everyone in Great Britain will probably disagree with this statement. Many of Britain’s (pre-1970) racing teams and drivers enjoyed success in machinery painted British Racing Green. A slightly brighter version of BRG made a comeback in 2000 with the debut of the Jaguar F1 team. Sadly, no paint job in the world could have overcome the shoddy management and Ford’s financial difficulites.

    http://en.wikipedia....

    Ah, but that was in the days of black-and-white!

    Perhaps I should save this question for tomorrow, but for how long has NASCAR been all about sponsorship? Did they used have plain painted cars back in the day? I know that in Formula 1, Lotus were the first to take sponsorship (in 1969?) when they were repainted red and gold for their sponsors John Player.

  • Miguel | February 16, 2007 at 9:36 am |

    [quote comment=”55673″]Not quite Uni-related here, more like hair related. I was watching the Cavs – Lakers game last night, and I noticed the back of Drew Gooden’s head. What is that thing sitting there below his headband?[/quote]

    Even his coach smacks him on the head for growing that stupid thing.

  • Bob A | February 16, 2007 at 9:38 am |

    [quote comment=”55675″]A NASCAR Uni Entry? Outstanding. Will it be focused on drivers’ suits alone, or will paint schemes to discussed? In a way, paint schemes are more Uni-like than drivers’ suits.

    (Note to the non-fans of NASCAR: Please spare us the “racing is not a sport” “NASCAR sucks” and other such comments. If you do not like racing, that’s fine. A lot of us politely put up with Uni-related soccer and hockey talk, while not giving a flip about those sports, so some courtesy here would be appreciated as well.)[/quote]

    Amen. I’m looking forward to the NASCAR entry. I don’t follow it as closely as I once did but I am interested in the sponsorship changes, special paint schemes, etc.

  • Robert | February 16, 2007 at 9:47 am |

    Zach Smith obtaining information directly from the school reminds me of a similar inquiry that I made years ago. In 1994, my Cornhuskers won the football National Championship while wearing their traditional uniform, which included pants featuring the glorious twin-stripes running down the side. Here is home: http://www.huskerped.... Here is away: http://www.huskerped...

    Despite just having won a championship, the team dropped the stripes from the sides of the pants for the 1995 season. http://www.huskerped... The lack of stripes was particularly disturbing when it came to the road red pants. http://web.archive.o.....htm While this ultimately did not hurt the team, as they won another National Championship that season, I was distraught that a near-perfect uniform had been soiled.

    It appeared to me that the Cornhuskers were simply jumping on the stripeless bandwagon that had been jump-started by Colorado a few years earlier. Making things worse, the new pants were very shiny, which did not seem appropriate for a supposedly tough football team.

    Getting back to my original point, I was so upset about the loss of the stripes that I sent an e-mail to then-Athletic Director “Dollar” Bill Byrne, demanding an explanation. To my surprise, he took the time to send a polite reply in which he explained that it was the players who had pushed for the new pants. It seemed that they thought that the stripeless pants were cooler. Hmmph.

    While I appreciated that Byrne explained the situation, I found it annoying that the school would let a few moron football players make so important a decision. It took nearly a decade, but the team finally saw the error in its ways and fixed things.

  • Bob A | February 16, 2007 at 9:51 am |

    [quote comment=”55687″]
    Perhaps I should save this question for tomorrow, but for how long has NASCAR been all about sponsorship? Did they used have plain painted cars back in the day? I know that in Formula 1, Lotus were the first to take sponsorship (in 1969?) when they were repainted red and gold for their sponsors John Player.[/quote]
    NASCAR has always had sponsorships. Check the Image Gallery at NASCAR pioneer Tim Flock’s site.

  • Pantherfid | February 16, 2007 at 9:59 am |

    Anyone hear this rumor about the Buffalo Bills possible move to Toronto? According to the rumor the deal for a move would be like the one Cleveland recieved. That means Toronto would be a new franchise, with a new name, new color scheme and of course…new unis. I read about this on the Internet…so it HAS to be true! ;-)

  • Broker75 | February 16, 2007 at 9:59 am |

    [quote comment=”55675″]A NASCAR Uni Entry? Outstanding. Will it be focused on drivers’ suits alone, or will paint schemes to discussed? In a way, paint schemes are more Uni-like than drivers’ suits.

    (Note to the non-fans of NASCAR: Please spare us the “racing is not a sport” “NASCAR sucks” and other such comments. If you do not like racing, that’s fine. A lot of us politely put up with Uni-related soccer and hockey talk, while not giving a flip about those sports, so some courtesy here would be appreciated as well.)[/quote]
    put up with hockey talk??! you ain’t got no right, nascar fan.

  • Donny | February 16, 2007 at 9:59 am |

    Some more uni number changes (at least according to MLB.com’s roster pages)

    LAD’s James Loney will switch from 29 to 7 (to accomodate Jason Schmidt)
    COL’s Byung-Hyun Kim will switch from 48 to his old 49
    OAK’s Dan Haren will switch from 24 to 15 (I guess retiring Rickey Henderson’s is soon approaching)
    TB’s Scott Kazmir will switch from 26 to 19
    SF’s Matt Cain will switch from 43 to 18

    If the last three signal a return to the days when pitchers wearing numbers in the teens was commonplace, I whole-heartedly approve.

  • Tim B | February 16, 2007 at 10:01 am |

    Ahhhh…the old Cleveland Barons. I loved their jerseys.

    But talk about regression. I see the retro angle they were shooting for in 78-79. But to me, it just doesn’t hit the mark. Thank God they never saw the chance to hit the ice.

    Speaking of the Barons, I may have asked this before but I’m still bewildered. Does anyone know why you cannot find or purchase a “vintage” Barons jersey from the mid-70’s?

  • Tim B | February 16, 2007 at 10:07 am |

    My bad….here the Baron’s jersey I dug.

  • Kenny | February 16, 2007 at 10:15 am |

    I absolutely hate the BP hats, they just look stupid

  • Mike from Queens | February 16, 2007 at 10:37 am |

    First of all, I’m shocked that bigger news isn’t being made of this Yankees armband thing. They are essentially altering the most iconic jersey in baseball, albeit temporarily and in a misguided effort to display some compassion. This is a huge deal to me.

    Second, it takes much longer than you would think to look up all these links and photos. Not to mention the historical background on much of it. Not to mention doing it almost every day. Not to mention coming up with fresh ideas almost every day. Not to mention the lack of profitability. So, let’s not belittle anything Paul or Vince does. ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THAT YOU’RE READING THIS FOR FREE.

  • John | February 16, 2007 at 10:38 am |

    “Politely putting up with soccer and hockey talk” is akin to “politely putting up with Dungeons & Dragons and World of Warcraft talk” to most people.

    NASCAR has become the second most watched competition in this country behind the NFL. NEXTEL has pledged $740M in a 10y sponsorship deal; the organization’s website is consistantly the most highly-trafficked site each year; merchandising revenues alone climb at least 40% each year; “NASCAR” at one point was the second most recognizable brand name behind only Blackberry. The list goes on.

    Is this representative of an entity that doesn’t receive reverence, let alone respect? Hockey and soccer are largely ignored by the media in this country, and when they’re not ignored they’re being viciously shit on. This site is one of the few non-centric sports sites that gives hockey a fair say. The use of those two sports as abundantly discussed is

    NASCAR being covered here makes perfect sense when deconstructing the branding and visual appeal of their cars and drivers, and I’m really surprised it wasn’t covered before. I just don’t think NASCAR is in a position to cry “poverty”.

  • Broker75 | February 16, 2007 at 10:38 am |

    now, back to our program..

  • Burrill | February 16, 2007 at 10:40 am |

    I want to go back to last night for a moment, too. Someone (J at the Dundies?) said it always seems odd to see other jerseys at Michigan football games. It made me think of last season. At one game I saw a man wearing an old-school Sabres jersey (oh, how beautiful it was, too). The colors were right for the occasion (or close enough, anyway), but it was a little odd in that context.

  • John | February 16, 2007 at 10:42 am |

    [quote comment=”55712″]”Politely putting up with soccer and hockey talk” is akin to “politely putting up with Dungeons & Dragons and World of Warcraft talk” to most people.

    NASCAR has become the second most watched competition in this country behind the NFL. NEXTEL has pledged $740M in a 10y sponsorship deal; the organization’s website is consistantly the most highly-trafficked site each year; merchandising revenues alone climb at least 40% each year; “NASCAR” at one point was the second most recognizable brand name behind only Blackberry. The list goes on.

    Is this representative of an entity that doesn’t receive reverence, let alone respect? Hockey and soccer are largely ignored by the media in this country, and when they’re not ignored they’re being viciously shit on. This site is one of the few non-centric sports sites that gives hockey a fair say. The use of those two sports as abundantly discussed is

    NASCAR being covered here makes perfect sense when deconstructing the branding and visual appeal of their cars and drivers, and I’m really surprised it wasn’t covered before. I just don’t think NASCAR is in a position to cry “poverty”.[/quote]

    I means ‘non hockey-centric sports sites’.

  • specs | February 16, 2007 at 10:42 am |

    In regards to NASCAR, soccer and other sports that aren’t mainstream (at least within this board), I don’t see why interest in the sport itself has anything to do with talking about the uniforms. Sure, its easier to talk about the uniforms if you follow the sport, and non-uni-related comments come up from time to time, but even without following NASCAR closely, I’m interested in who the new sponsors are, new numbers for drivers, etc. just because it brings aesthetic changes. Whether you enjoy watching auto racing or not, you can critique new paint jobs, or debate whether you like the fact that certain teams of cars all use the same paint layout, albeit in different colors.

  • John | February 16, 2007 at 10:43 am |

    Dangit. ‘Meant’.

  • Teebz | February 16, 2007 at 10:48 am |

    [quote comment=”55717″]In regards to NASCAR, soccer and other sports that aren’t mainstream (at least within this board), I don’t see why interest in the sport itself has anything to do with talking about the uniforms. Sure, its easier to talk about the uniforms if you follow the sport, and non-uni-related comments come up from time to time, but even without following NASCAR closely, I’m interested in who the new sponsors are, new numbers for drivers, etc. just because it brings aesthetic changes. Whether you enjoy watching auto racing or not, you can critique new paint jobs, or debate whether you like the fact that certain teams of cars all use the same paint layout, albeit in different colors.[/quote]

    Being a big hockey guy on here, I don’t have a problem with other sports being discussed. In fact, there are NASCAR images on John Grahame’s mask. He plays for the Carolina Hurricanes, long considered a NASCAR state. It doesn’t take anything away from the discussion if NASCAR is brought up.

    If you wanna talk NASCAR, be my guest. If you wanna talk monster trucks, be my guest. I’m here for the chatter about sports and uniforms/jerseys, or in NASCAR, their cars’ paint jobs.

  • Broker75 | February 16, 2007 at 10:52 am |

    [quote comment=”55721″][quote comment=”55717″]In regards to NASCAR, soccer and other sports that aren’t mainstream (at least within this board), I don’t see why interest in the sport itself has anything to do with talking about the uniforms. Sure, its easier to talk about the uniforms if you follow the sport, and non-uni-related comments come up from time to time, but even without following NASCAR closely, I’m interested in who the new sponsors are, new numbers for drivers, etc. just because it brings aesthetic changes. Whether you enjoy watching auto racing or not, you can critique new paint jobs, or debate whether you like the fact that certain teams of cars all use the same paint layout, albeit in different colors.[/quote]

    Being a big hockey guy on here, I don’t have a problem with other sports being discussed. In fact, there are NASCAR images on John Grahame’s mask. He plays for the Carolina Hurricanes, long considered a NASCAR state. It doesn’t take anything away from the discussion if NASCAR is brought up.

    If you wanna talk NASCAR, be my guest. If you wanna talk monster trucks, be my guest. I’m here for the chatter about sports and uniforms/jerseys, or in NASCAR, their cars’ paint jobs.[/quote]
    I always thought it was cool when Marlboro would sponsor the drivers’ suit, do they still do it, or is it against the law to sponsor tobacco nowadays? and are the suits made with 100% leather?

  • Michael Churchill | February 16, 2007 at 10:59 am |

    [quote comment=”55724″]I always thought it was cool when Marlboro would sponsor the drivers’ suit, do they still do it, or is it against the law to sponsor tobacco nowadays? and are the suits made with 100% leather?[/quote]

    In Europe, all tobacco advertising is now illegal, so in Formula 1 no teams are tobacco sponsored anymore. A number of teams such as Ferrari, Renault and McLaren have new liveries for the coming seasons as a result.

    Racing suits are made of a fire-resistant fabric called Nomex.

  • ard | February 16, 2007 at 11:02 am |

    [/quote]
    I always thought it was cool when Marlboro would sponsor the drivers’ suit, do they still do it, or is it against the law to sponsor tobacco nowadays? and are the suits made with 100% leather?[/quote]
    There is no longer any cigarette association with NASCAR. In fact, Jeff Gordon even has a sponsorship with nicorette. However, I do not know if this is because of a law or not. While there has been a long standing association with beer (Bud, Miller Lite) NASCAR just recently (last two yrs or so) started allowing hard liquor sponsorships (Jack Daniels, Crown Royal, Jim Beam.) All of the driver suits today are made of fire-resistant material. Puma is the only big-name sports appearal company that has gotten into the sport (with shoes too.)

  • Metsfan AZ | February 16, 2007 at 11:06 am |

    [quote comment=”55728″][/quote]
    I always thought it was cool when Marlboro would sponsor the drivers’ suit, do they still do it, or is it against the law to sponsor tobacco nowadays? and are the suits made with 100% leather?[/quote]
    There is no longer any cigarette association with NASCAR. In fact, Jeff Gordon even has a sponsorship with nicorette. However, I do not know if this is because of a law or not. While there has been a long standing association with beer (Bud, Miller Lite) NASCAR just recently (last two yrs or so) started allowing hard liquor sponsorships (Jack Daniels, Crown Royal, Jim Beam.) All of the driver suits today are made of fire-resistant material. Puma is the only big-name sports appearal company that has gotten into the sport (with shoes too.)[/quote]
    They (Puma) got lots of “product placement” in Talladega Nights.

  • Broker75 | February 16, 2007 at 11:07 am |

    [quote comment=”55726″][quote comment=”55724″]I always thought it was cool when Marlboro would sponsor the drivers’ suit, do they still do it, or is it against the law to sponsor tobacco nowadays? and are the suits made with 100% leather?[/quote]

    In Europe, all tobacco advertising is now illegal, so in Formula 1 no teams are tobacco sponsored anymore. A number of teams such as Ferrari, Renault and McLaren have new liveries for the coming seasons as a result.

    Racing suits are made of a fire-resistant fabric called Nomex.[/quote]
    cool, thanks for that. Another thing, didn’t the winner used to chug champagne on the pedestal, and now it’s milk? is it because milk is cheaper, or the whole drinking and driving thing?

  • specs | February 16, 2007 at 11:11 am |

    [quote comment=”55732″][quote comment=”55726″][quote comment=”55724″]I always thought it was cool when Marlboro would sponsor the drivers’ suit, do they still do it, or is it against the law to sponsor tobacco nowadays? and are the suits made with 100% leather?[/quote]

    In Europe, all tobacco advertising is now illegal, so in Formula 1 no teams are tobacco sponsored anymore. A number of teams such as Ferrari, Renault and McLaren have new liveries for the coming seasons as a result.

    Racing suits are made of a fire-resistant fabric called Nomex.[/quote]
    cool, thanks for that. Another thing, didn’t the winner used to chug champagne on the pedestal, and now it’s milk? is it because milk is cheaper, or the whole drinking and driving thing?[/quote]

    Hardcore racing fans may correct me here, but I think milk is only for the Indy 500. NASCAR drivers usually make sure to drink Pepsi, Mountain Dew, or whatever soft drink sponsors them. Formula 1 drivers still get champagne, and its in huge bottles.

  • keith | February 16, 2007 at 11:14 am |

    [quote comment=”55710″]First of all, I’m shocked that bigger news isn’t being made of this Yankees armband thing. They are essentially altering the most iconic jersey in baseball, albeit temporarily and in a misguided effort to display some compassion. This is a huge deal to me.[/quote]

    It’s not that big of a deal. The Yankees did it in 1996 to honor Mickey Mantle.

  • Miguel | February 16, 2007 at 11:14 am |

    [quote comment=”55728″]Puma is the only big-name sports appearal company that has gotten into the sport (with shoes too.)[/quote]

    Nike makes racing shoes.

  • The Ol Goaler | February 16, 2007 at 11:17 am |

    [quote comment=”55682″]The same style hats have infiltrated the Reds camp along with T-shirts proclaiming 2006 Cincinnati Reds Spring Training.[/quote]

    Count the 2006 World Series Champion Cardinals among the teams wearing those dumb “new” BP caps and jerseys… although it looks like the braintrust is still wearing real game gear…

  • Greg | February 16, 2007 at 11:19 am |

    What’s the point of discussing what amounts to the “racing billboards” that is NASCAR? I don’t think it matters if you are a fan of the sport or not. To compare discussing paint jobs on cars (which I love by the way) to discussing the current state and history of sports uniforms doesn’t make sense. It’s apples and oranges. That it will be a weekend post (instead of the normal weekend open thread) is support of my point. It’s filler.

  • ard | February 16, 2007 at 11:21 am |

    [quote comment=”55739″][quote comment=”55728″]Puma is the only big-name sports appearal company that has gotten into the sport (with shoes too.)[/quote]

    Nike makes racing shoes.[/quote]
    You’re right, my Puma comment was direct toward the driving suits as seen here

  • The Ol Goaler | February 16, 2007 at 11:25 am |

    For some reason, my links to Cards’ spring training give the entire “slide show” from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch… dunno why, but “Photo 8” shows Tony LaRussa and Dave Duncan wearing “regular” game caps, as opposed to those ugly “BP” caps.

  • Donny | February 16, 2007 at 11:29 am |

    [quote comment=”55738″][quote comment=”55710″]First of all, I’m shocked that bigger news isn’t being made of this Yankees armband thing. They are essentially altering the most iconic jersey in baseball, albeit temporarily and in a misguided effort to display some compassion. This is a huge deal to me.[/quote]

    It’s not that big of a deal. The Yankees did it in 1996 to honor Mickey Mantle.[/quote]

    Not to mention 2000 to honor Bob Lemon, 1999 to honor Joe Diamggio, 1979-80 to honor Thurman Munson.

  • Burrill | February 16, 2007 at 11:30 am |

    [quote comment=”55721″]Being a big hockey guy on here[/quote]

    Wait, Teebz, you’re a big hockey guy? I never noticed! :-P

    Anyway, I’m not a NASCAR fan, but I’m all for the NASCAR inclusion, too. And I would like to formally petition the Uni Nation to avoid sport-based defensiveness. We’re all matu…uh, I mean, we’re all adu…okay, we’re all uni people here.

  • Jacob | February 16, 2007 at 11:34 am |

    I heard that the Yankees were going to wear new spring training jerseys this pre-season. Any truth to this? Any pictures to prove it?

  • Paul Lukas | February 16, 2007 at 11:38 am |

    [quote comment=”55745″]What’s the point of discussing what amounts to the “racing billboards” that is NASCAR? I don’t think it matters if you are a fan of the sport or not. To compare discussing paint jobs on cars (which I love by the way) to discussing the current state and history of sports uniforms doesn’t make sense. It’s apples and oranges. That it will be a weekend post (instead of the normal weekend open thread) is support of my point. It’s filler.[/quote]

    It’s a weekend post because the Daytona 500 is tomorrow and because John needed a little more time to work on it. I’m not a NASCAR fan myself, but I disagree with those who say it’s “not a sport” or that it’s not Uni Watch-worthy. Please don’t start a culture war here — if you don’t like NASCAR, fine, don’t read tomorrow’s post, no problem.

  • David | February 16, 2007 at 11:48 am |

    [quote comment=”55754″][quote comment=”55745″]What’s the point of discussing what amounts to the “racing billboards” that is NASCAR? I don’t think it matters if you are a fan of the sport or not. To compare discussing paint jobs on cars (which I love by the way) to discussing the current state and history of sports uniforms doesn’t make sense. It’s apples and oranges. That it will be a weekend post (instead of the normal weekend open thread) is support of my point. It’s filler.[/quote]

    It’s a weekend post because the Daytona 500 is tomorrow and because John needed a little more time to work on it. I’m not a NASCAR fan myself, but I disagree with those who say it’s “not a sport” or that it’s not Uni Watch-worthy. Please don’t start a culture war here — if you don’t like NASCAR, fine, don’t read tomorrow’s post, no problem.[/quote]

    Paul,

    I was thinking that you should have every Uni Watch reader email you with the particular subjects/topics that we are interested in, and then you can email each of us every morning to let us know if your post of that day fits our interests.

    I get to work around 6:15 a.m. eastern, so please have my email here by then. Also, I find a daily inspirational quote cheers me up. Please include one in your emails.

    Thanks. :)

  • hotrodd | February 16, 2007 at 12:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”55756″][quote comment=”55754″][quote comment=”55745″]What’s the point of discussing what amounts to the “racing billboards” that is NASCAR? I don’t think it matters if you are a fan of the sport or not. To compare discussing paint jobs on cars (which I love by the way) to discussing the current state and history of sports uniforms doesn’t make sense. It’s apples and oranges. That it will be a weekend post (instead of the normal weekend open thread) is support of my point. It’s filler.[/quote]

    It’s a weekend post because the Daytona 500 is tomorrow and because John needed a little more time to work on it. I’m not a NASCAR fan myself, but I disagree with those who say it’s “not a sport” or that it’s not Uni Watch-worthy. Please don’t start a culture war here — if you don’t like NASCAR, fine, don’t read tomorrow’s post, no problem.[/quote]

    Paul,

    I was thinking that you should have every Uni Watch reader email you with the particular subjects/topics that we are interested in, and then you can email each of us every morning to let us know if your post of that day fits our interests.

    I get to work around 6:15 a.m. eastern, so please have my email here by then. Also, I find a daily inspirational quote cheers me up. Please include one in your emails.

    Thanks. :)[/quote]

    and a joke of the day, i need a smile in the morning.. i usually get in around 9 EST (7 here in AZ)

    Thanks Paul!

  • Richard | February 16, 2007 at 12:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”55736″][quote comment=”55732″][quote comment=”55726″][quote comment=”55724″]I always thought it was cool when Marlboro would sponsor the drivers’ suit, do they still do it, or is it against the law to sponsor tobacco nowadays? and are the suits made with 100% leather?[/quote]

    In Europe, all tobacco advertising is now illegal, so in Formula 1 no teams are tobacco sponsored anymore. A number of teams such as Ferrari, Renault and McLaren have new liveries for the coming seasons as a result.

    Racing suits are made of a fire-resistant fabric called Nomex.[/quote]
    cool, thanks for that. Another thing, didn’t the winner used to chug champagne on the pedestal, and now it’s milk? is it because milk is cheaper, or the whole drinking and driving thing?[/quote]

    Hardcore racing fans may correct me here, but I think milk is only for the Indy 500. NASCAR drivers usually make sure to drink Pepsi, Mountain Dew, or whatever soft drink sponsors them. Formula 1 drivers still get champagne, and its in huge bottles.[/quote]

    You are correct. Indy 500 winner chugs milk (or pours it over their heads). In NASCAR, the drivers pull out and grab a drink – either a soft drink or an energy drink of a sponsor.

  • Metsfan AZ | February 16, 2007 at 12:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”55761″][quote comment=”55756″][quote comment=”55754″][quote comment=”55745″]What’s the point of discussing what amounts to the “racing billboards” that is NASCAR? I don’t think it matters if you are a fan of the sport or not. To compare discussing paint jobs on cars (which I love by the way) to discussing the current state and history of sports uniforms doesn’t make sense. It’s apples and oranges. That it will be a weekend post (instead of the normal weekend open thread) is support of my point. It’s filler.[/quote]

    It’s a weekend post because the Daytona 500 is tomorrow and because John needed a little more time to work on it. I’m not a NASCAR fan myself, but I disagree with those who say it’s “not a sport” or that it’s not Uni Watch-worthy. Please don’t start a culture war here — if you don’t like NASCAR, fine, don’t read tomorrow’s post, no problem.[/quote]

    Paul,

    I was thinking that you should have every Uni Watch reader email you with the particular subjects/topics that we are interested in, and then you can email each of us every morning to let us know if your post of that day fits our interests.

    I get to work around 6:15 a.m. eastern, so please have my email here by then. Also, I find a daily inspirational quote cheers me up. Please include one in your emails.

    Thanks. :)[/quote]

    and a joke of the day, i need a smile in the morning.. i usually get in around 9 EST (7 here in AZ)

    Thanks Paul![/quote]
    Do we have enough of an Arizona contingent to warrant a visit from Mr. Lukas? We could go to a spring training game and enjoy the splendor of the new D’baacks jerseys (2 a’s intentional since that is undoubtedly what they will look like).

  • Greg | February 16, 2007 at 12:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”55754″][quote comment=”55745″]What’s the point of discussing what amounts to the “racing billboards” that is NASCAR? I don’t think it matters if you are a fan of the sport or not. To compare discussing paint jobs on cars (which I love by the way) to discussing the current state and history of sports uniforms doesn’t make sense. It’s apples and oranges. That it will be a weekend post (instead of the normal weekend open thread) is support of my point. It’s filler.[/quote]

    It’s a weekend post because the Daytona 500 is tomorrow and because John needed a little more time to work on it. I’m not a NASCAR fan myself, but I disagree with those who say it’s “not a sport” or that it’s not Uni Watch-worthy. Please don’t start a culture war here — if you don’t like NASCAR, fine, don’t read tomorrow’s post, no problem.[/quote]
    Was not trying to start a culture war. And on second look my comment was somewhat heavy-handed. I was just trying to say that to me it’s apples and oranges. I totally get how someone can totally “fall in love” with the classic look of the Chicago Bears, stirrups, or the Chargers’ powder blues (as I do), but can’t wrap my mind around feeling the same way about logo-plastered “skins” on stock cars. That’s all. No harm meant.

  • Dane | February 16, 2007 at 12:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”55767″]I totally get how someone can totally “fall in love” with the classic look of the Chicago Bears, stirrups, or the Chargers’ powder blues (as I do), but can’t wrap my mind around feeling the same way about logo-plastered “skins” on stock cars. That’s all. No harm meant.[/quote]

    In racing, we don’t get to see the person driving the car. The way he/she appears to us – the driver’s “uniform” – is the car. There is a ton of money and time involved with designing the liveries – and they are often updated for specific events/races.

  • Dane | February 16, 2007 at 12:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”55736″]
    Formula 1 drivers still get champagne, and its in huge bottles.[/quote]

    …unless they are racing in a Muslim country (e.g. Bahrain), in which case the alcohol is replaced with a local carbonated beverage.

  • ard | February 16, 2007 at 12:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”55767″]Was not trying to start a culture war. And on second look my comment was somewhat heavy-handed. I was just trying to say that to me it’s apples and oranges. I totally get how someone can totally “fall in love” with the classic look of the Chicago Bears, stirrups, or the Chargers’ powder blues (as I do), but can’t wrap my mind around feeling the same way about logo-plastered “skins” on stock cars. That’s all. No harm meant.[/quote]
    i wasn’t offended by your comment but if i may, i would like to try to put the nascar fan’s position in perspective. while the “skins” on the car are the images plastered on tv, for the fans, i would argue that it has more to do with the number. i’m not saying that fans do not have an allegiance to the brand featured on the “skin”, they do. however, the real allegiance is with the driver/number. more often than not dale earnhardt jr’s car is refered to as the “8” car by fans, not the budwieser/wrangler jeans/mernards/ritz/chevy. the drivers will refer to their own car this way, it’s how they get paid. but for fans it is about the car number. this number/driver (i would argue the terms are synonymous) represents the “team” just like the any other sports logo. this is evidenced in the fact that car owners trademark/copyright the likeness of the number used. it has that much marketing power. richard childress reacing sued espn when they made the movie “3” because it was too much like the owned #3. sorry for the long post, i don’t know if this helps or not. basically, for longtime fans of NASCAR, the same feelings are there. (if you haven’t guessed, i’m looking forward to tomorrow’s post.)

  • Ian K | February 16, 2007 at 12:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”55721″]Being a big hockey guy on here, I don’t have a problem with other sports being discussed. In fact, there are NASCAR images on John Grahame’s mask. He plays for the Carolina Hurricanes, long considered a NASCAR state. It doesn’t take anything away from the discussion if NASCAR is brought up.[/quote]

    Good history here on the always reliable Wikipedia about how the milk tradition got started.

    While I was in grade school, I moved from L.A. to Raleigh, and from living in North Carolina for 6 years, I can tell you it was more important to pick an allegiance to a basketball team (Carolina, Duke, or NC State) than to a Nascar driver. I now live in Texas and I would go so far as to say Nascar is bigger here than N.C. I of course have no data to back this up.

    I find myself interested in Nascar uniforms just as I am in sports unis and most all sartorial subjects. Bring it on, Ek!

  • Greg | February 16, 2007 at 12:49 pm |

    Emerson Fittipaldi tossed the traditional Indy 500 victory milk aside in favor for orange juice. the racing world was appalled.

    the only NASCAR exception to the sports drink/soda sponsor i can remember is when Dale Jr.’s crew cracked open a case of Budweiser in victory lane. Usually the beer sponsored cars just have a case sitting on the roof of car for advertisement purposes.

    I bet Clint Bowyer’s crew would have a good time in victory lane.

  • hotrodd | February 16, 2007 at 12:51 pm |

    this is as iconic to NASCAR fans as any NFL, NBA, MLB etc jersey..
    http://deizone.com/i...

    then you get into 43.. and what that means..
    and on and on

  • Kenny | February 16, 2007 at 12:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”55756″][quote comment=”55754″][quote comment=”55745″]What’s the point of discussing what amounts to the “racing billboards” that is NASCAR? I don’t think it matters if you are a fan of the sport or not. To compare discussing paint jobs on cars (which I love by the way) to discussing the current state and history of sports uniforms doesn’t make sense. It’s apples and oranges. That it will be a weekend post (instead of the normal weekend open thread) is support of my point. It’s filler.[/quote]

    It’s a weekend post because the Daytona 500 is tomorrow and because John needed a little more time to work on it. I’m not a NASCAR fan myself, but I disagree with those who say it’s “not a sport” or that it’s not Uni Watch-worthy. Please don’t start a culture war here — if you don’t like NASCAR, fine, don’t read tomorrow’s post, no problem.[/quote]

    Paul,

    I was thinking that you should have every Uni Watch reader email you with the particular subjects/topics that we are interested in, and then you can email each of us every morning to let us know if your post of that day fits our interests.

    I get to work around 6:15 a.m. eastern, so please have my email here by then. Also, I find a daily inspirational quote cheers me up. Please include one in your emails.

    Thanks. :)[/quote]

    Wherever you go, there you are

  • Richard | February 16, 2007 at 1:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”55785″][quote comment=”55756″][quote comment=”55754″][quote comment=”55745″]What’s the point of discussing what amounts to the “racing billboards” that is NASCAR? I don’t think it matters if you are a fan of the sport or not. To compare discussing paint jobs on cars (which I love by the way) to discussing the current state and history of sports uniforms doesn’t make sense. It’s apples and oranges. That it will be a weekend post (instead of the normal weekend open thread) is support of my point. It’s filler.[/quote]

    It’s a weekend post because the Daytona 500 is tomorrow and because John needed a little more time to work on it. I’m not a NASCAR fan myself, but I disagree with those who say it’s “not a sport” or that it’s not Uni Watch-worthy. Please don’t start a culture war here — if you don’t like NASCAR, fine, don’t read tomorrow’s post, no problem.[/quote]

    Paul,

    I was thinking that you should have every Uni Watch reader email you with the particular subjects/topics that we are interested in, and then you can email each of us every morning to let us know if your post of that day fits our interests.

    I get to work around 6:15 a.m. eastern, so please have my email here by then. Also, I find a daily inspirational quote cheers me up. Please include one in your emails.

    Thanks. :)[/quote]

    Wherever you go, there you are[/quote]

    Eighty percent of success is showing up.
    Woody Allen

  • steve | February 16, 2007 at 1:12 pm |

    I just got my first Distant Replays order in after work yesterday. Quick delivery, all items there and in perfect shape. Just wanted to add another endorsement from a satisfied Uniwatchblog fan. For those who are curious, here’s what I got:

    http://www.distantre...

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  • Nick | February 16, 2007 at 1:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”55692″]Zach Smith obtaining information directly from the school reminds me of a similar inquiry that I made years ago. In 1994, my Cornhuskers won the football National Championship while wearing their traditional uniform, which included pants featuring the glorious twin-stripes running down the side. Here is home: http://www.huskerped.... Here is away: http://www.huskerped...

    Despite just having won a championship, the team dropped the stripes from the sides of the pants for the 1995 season. http://www.huskerped... The lack of stripes was particularly disturbing when it came to the road red pants. http://web.archive.o.....htm While this ultimately did not hurt the team, as they won another National Championship that season, I was distraught that a near-perfect uniform had been soiled.

    It appeared to me that the Cornhuskers were simply jumping on the stripeless bandwagon that had been jump-started by Colorado a few years earlier. Making things worse, the new pants were very shiny, which did not seem appropriate for a supposedly tough football team.

    Getting back to my original point, I was so upset about the loss of the stripes that I sent an e-mail to then-Athletic Director “Dollar” Bill Byrne, demanding an explanation. To my surprise, he took the time to send a polite reply in which he explained that it was the players who had pushed for the new pants. It seemed that they thought that the stripeless pants were cooler. Hmmph.

    While I appreciated that Byrne explained the situation, I found it annoying that the school would let a few moron football players make so important a decision. It took nearly a decade, but the team finally saw the error in its ways and fixed things.[/quote]

    I totally agree on the lunacy in allowing the players to dictate changes in a traditional uniform, particularly when that uniform is classy and represents a tradition.

    The recent phenomena of BLACK jerseys, trim, etc. on almost every college team in the world could be traced to coaches or AD’s following the suggestions of idiot players, or in some cases, immature coaches, who should donate the unis – usually classless crud – tothe JV seventh grade teams where they belong.

    The NFL Saints abominable black leotard pants are the result of the team following players “suggestions” that the horrible pants be adopted as the uniform. It is an ongoing disaster that lowers the class and attractiveness of the team.

  • dgc | February 16, 2007 at 1:16 pm |

    Someone emailed one of the Washington Post’s sports bloggers with a picture of his girlfriend’s Valentine gift: A Nationals jersey personalized with Gilbert Arenas’s name and number. link here

  • Metsfan AZ | February 16, 2007 at 1:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”55791″][quote comment=”55692″]Zach Smith obtaining information directly from the school reminds me of a similar inquiry that I made years ago. In 1994, my Cornhuskers won the football National Championship while wearing their traditional uniform, which included pants featuring the glorious twin-stripes running down the side. Here is home: http://www.huskerped.... Here is away: http://www.huskerped...

    Despite just having won a championship, the team dropped the stripes from the sides of the pants for the 1995 season. http://www.huskerped... The lack of stripes was particularly disturbing when it came to the road red pants. http://web.archive.o.....htm While this ultimately did not hurt the team, as they won another National Championship that season, I was distraught that a near-perfect uniform had been soiled.

    It appeared to me that the Cornhuskers were simply jumping on the stripeless bandwagon that had been jump-started by Colorado a few years earlier. Making things worse, the new pants were very shiny, which did not seem appropriate for a supposedly tough football team.

    Getting back to my original point, I was so upset about the loss of the stripes that I sent an e-mail to then-Athletic Director “Dollar” Bill Byrne, demanding an explanation. To my surprise, he took the time to send a polite reply in which he explained that it was the players who had pushed for the new pants. It seemed that they thought that the stripeless pants were cooler. Hmmph.

    While I appreciated that Byrne explained the situation, I found it annoying that the school would let a few moron football players make so important a decision. It took nearly a decade, but the team finally saw the error in its ways and fixed things.[/quote]

    I totally agree on the lunacy in allowing the players to dictate changes in a traditional uniform, particularly when that uniform is classy and represents a tradition.

    The recent phenomena of BLACK jerseys, trim, etc. on almost every college team in the world could be traced to coaches or AD’s following the suggestions of idiot players, or in some cases, immature coaches, who should donate the unis – usually classless crud – tothe JV seventh grade teams where they belong.

    The NFL Saints abominable black leotard pants are the result of the team following players “suggestions” that the horrible pants be adopted as the uniform. It is an ongoing disaster that lowers the class and attractiveness of the team.[/quote]
    I think the most obvious and best/worst?? example is Oregon letting their players have so much say.

  • Nick | February 16, 2007 at 1:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”55695″]Anyone hear this rumor about the Buffalo Bills possible move to Toronto? According to the rumor the deal for a move would be like the one Cleveland recieved. That means Toronto would be a new franchise, with a new name, new color scheme and of course…new unis. I read about this on the Internet…so it HAS to be true! ;-)[/quote]

    IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN

    The Canadian Parliment has a block on the NFL or American football leagues coming into Canada. They made an exception for the WLAF as it was internatuional and a developmental league. Their government is determined to protect the CFL, at least they have been in the past. They refused to allow the WFL in the 1970s to come into Canada despite a franchise having Canadian ownership.

    Further, the Bills aren’t doing so bad in Buffalo, and they market well to Toronto and the area.

    Finally, cities like Buffalo and New Orleans would not get another team if theirs ever left – the market is too small and the money-grubbing owners of the other NFL teams would not want to go back. Even if they did, it would cost two or three times the funding and infrastructure to get a new team than it would take to keep the old team. Just ask Houston, Baltinore or Cleveland.

  • Pittsburgh Gunny | February 16, 2007 at 1:27 pm |

    I look forward to reading the NASCAR entry. I do not follow NASCAR I am more of a Formula 1 racing fan but I am hoping this entry will be interesting. Also I don’t really like grid-iron football or basketball but that does not mean that I do not enjoy the posts and comments made on here about those sports. Football and hockey are my favorites.

  • Nick | February 16, 2007 at 1:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”55754″][quote comment=”55745″]What’s the point of discussing what amounts to the “racing billboards” that is NASCAR? I don’t think it matters if you are a fan of the sport or not. To compare discussing paint jobs on cars (which I love by the way) to discussing the current state and history of sports uniforms doesn’t make sense. It’s apples and oranges. That it will be a weekend post (instead of the normal weekend open thread) is support of my point. It’s filler.[/quote]

    It’s a weekend post because the Daytona 500 is tomorrow and because John needed a little more time to work on it. I’m not a NASCAR fan myself, but I disagree with those who say it’s “not a sport” or that it’s not Uni Watch-worthy. Please don’t start a culture war here — if you don’t like NASCAR, fine, don’t read tomorrow’s post, no problem.[/quote]

    I am not a NASCAR fan either. BUT IT IS A SPORT due to the incredible skill and stamina needed, as well as the teamwork of the crew, to even begin to compete in that arena.

    HOWEVER, the fact that two or more affiliated cars and drivers compete in the same race and that one can block or impede the field to help his “partner” totally trashes the idea that individual racers win anything in that sport.
    I believe that each “tean” should have three entrants, you can let them run and block and do all you want, and the winning “team” can then claim the win. Otherwise, it is a tainted win – unless all 33 drivers are truly independent and are all trying 100% of the race to win.

    IT IS UNIWATCH WORTHY given the styles of the outfits and the vehicles – if it was not UNIWATCH worthy they would not sell millions os dollars in items at sporting goods or TEAM STORES.

  • drjwtexas | February 16, 2007 at 1:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”55793″][quote comment=”55791″][quote comment=”55692″]Zach Smith obtaining information directly from the school reminds me of a similar inquiry that I made years ago. In 1994, my Cornhuskers won the football National Championship while wearing their traditional uniform, which included pants featuring the glorious twin-stripes running down the side. Here is home: http://www.huskerped.... Here is away: http://www.huskerped...

    Despite just having won a championship, the team dropped the stripes from the sides of the pants for the 1995 season. http://www.huskerped... The lack of stripes was particularly disturbing when it came to the road red pants. http://web.archive.o.....htm While this ultimately did not hurt the team, as they won another National Championship that season, I was distraught that a near-perfect uniform had been soiled.

    It appeared to me that the Cornhuskers were simply jumping on the stripeless bandwagon that had been jump-started by Colorado a few years earlier. Making things worse, the new pants were very shiny, which did not seem appropriate for a supposedly tough football team.

    Getting back to my original point, I was so upset about the loss of the stripes that I sent an e-mail to then-Athletic Director “Dollar” Bill Byrne, demanding an explanation. To my surprise, he took the time to send a polite reply in which he explained that it was the players who had pushed for the new pants. It seemed that they thought that the stripeless pants were cooler. Hmmph.

    While I appreciated that Byrne explained the situation, I found it annoying that the school would let a few moron football players make so important a decision. It took nearly a decade, but the team finally saw the error in its ways and fixed things.[/quote]

    I totally agree on the lunacy in allowing the players to dictate changes in a traditional uniform, particularly when that uniform is classy and represents a tradition.

    The recent phenomena of BLACK jerseys, trim, etc. on almost every college team in the world could be traced to coaches or AD’s following the suggestions of idiot players, or in some cases, immature coaches, who should donate the unis – usually classless crud – tothe JV seventh grade teams where they belong.

    The NFL Saints abominable black leotard pants are the result of the team following players “suggestions” that the horrible pants be adopted as the uniform. It is an ongoing disaster that lowers the class and attractiveness of the team.[/quote]
    I think the most obvious and best/worst?? example is Oregon letting their players have so much say.[/quote]

    What’s with A Green’s socks?

  • DH | February 16, 2007 at 1:35 pm |

    “Emerson Fittipaldi tossed the traditional Indy 500 victory milk aside in favor for orange juice. the racing world was appalled.”

    Didnt he do this because he was lactose intolerant? I always thought orange juice was the substitute for lactose intolerant people, such as myself :)

  • Banker Bill | February 16, 2007 at 1:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”55797″][quote comment=”55754″][quote comment=”55745″]What’s the point of discussing what amounts to the “racing billboards” that is NASCAR? I don’t think it matters if you are a fan of the sport or not. To compare discussing paint jobs on cars (which I love by the way) to discussing the current state and history of sports uniforms doesn’t make sense. It’s apples and oranges. That it will be a weekend post (instead of the normal weekend open thread) is support of my point. It’s filler.[/quote]

    It’s a weekend post because the Daytona 500 is tomorrow and because John needed a little more time to work on it. I’m not a NASCAR fan myself, but I disagree with those who say it’s “not a sport” or that it’s not Uni Watch-worthy. Please don’t start a culture war here — if you don’t like NASCAR, fine, don’t read tomorrow’s post, no problem.[/quote]

    I am not a NASCAR fan either. BUT IT IS A SPORT due to the incredible skill and stamina needed, as well as the teamwork of the crew, to even begin to compete in that arena.

    HOWEVER, the fact that two or more affiliated cars and drivers compete in the same race and that one can block or impede the field to help his “partner” totally trashes the idea that individual racers win anything in that sport.
    I believe that each “tean” should have three entrants, you can let them run and block and do all you want, and the winning “team” can then claim the win.

    Isn’t that called Roller Derby?

  • Banker Bill | February 16, 2007 at 1:48 pm |

    Forgot to close tags

  • Pittsburgh Gunny | February 16, 2007 at 1:50 pm |

    My favorite team, Arsenal, got to have tea with the Queen yesterday! The Queen was supposed to be at the opening of the brand new Emirates Stadium earlier this season but had to unfortunately pull out at the last moment, I think she may have pulled a groin or some such thing. So to make up for missing the opening ceremony the dear Queen invited the team to tea.

    And here they are; (L-toR)Johann Djourou, Alex Hleb, Cesc Fabregas, Mathieu Flamini, Thomas Rosicky, Justin Hoyte and Theo Walcott. I love that suit that Djourou has on!

  • Ron | February 16, 2007 at 2:09 pm |

    “Emerson Fittipaldi tossed the traditional Indy 500 victory milk aside in favor for orange juice. the racing world was appalled.”

    Didnt he do this because he was lactose intolerant? I always thought orange juice was the substitute for lactose intolerant people, such as myself :)

    Emerson Fittipaldi chise orange juice because he is a huge orange grower in Brazil and didn’t want to go with the milk boards promotion of milk.

  • Pat | February 16, 2007 at 2:12 pm |

    I just got my new Boston Braves American Needle hat in the mail and wanted to express my dissatisfaction with the sizing of it so no one else will make the same mistake. Anytime you are ordering an American Needle hat seems to me you need to order a size bigger than usual. This one is quite tight without any shaping done to it while New Era hats in a 7 5/8 usually fit me quite nicely upon first placement to head.

    Just thought I would make this common knowledge in case someone else was considering buying an American Needle hat for the first time. This is going to take some breaking in and it’s not quite as easy as breaking in a New Era hat since the embroidery goes right through the strap in the front of the hat.

  • david goodfriend | February 16, 2007 at 2:19 pm |

    blurb about chad cordero
    flattened.
    There may be pictures coming out of Nationals’ spring training of Chad Cordero, the closer (who currently doesn’t have a contract, which we’ll get to in a minute, after more important matters are dealt with). Those pictures will show Cordero wearing one of the new Nationals’ spring training caps (which are basically No. 20 Tony Stewart Home Depot Joe Gibbs Racing Chevrolet hats in a different color). And those pictures will show that the brim on that cap will be bent.

    Chad Cordero. Cap. Bent brim. Is this a permanant change?

    “No way,” he said a few minutes ago.

    Cordero, of course, is known not only for the 47 saves he had two seasons ago (leading the majors), but for the distinctive FLAT brim he wears, something he’s been doing since college at Cal State-Fullerton. But these new caps — to be worn only in spring training (the interlocking DC caps will still be used as the “alternate” caps during the season) — don’t flatten well.

    “I tried and tried, and I couldn’t do it,” Cordero said. “It’s tough.”

    This is not a continental shift in philosophy. When Cordero’s allowed to wear the regular game hats (which haven’t changed), he’ll go back to the flat brim. Phew.

  • Mark Mihalik | February 16, 2007 at 2:26 pm |

    Player-customized baseball equipment has been getting more and more popular recently, but I have to draw the line with Daisuke Matsuzaka’s glove. It seems he’s got a leather “M” pattern built into his web, and red gloves are ridiculous to begin with. Thanks, Japan.

  • Ron | February 16, 2007 at 2:30 pm |

    This is almost required daily reading for NASCAR fans:

    On the left are a lot of links to data and also to the paint schemes from year to year. I like to keep up with this but also I look forward to Daytona to see the new crew uniforms and equipment. Also the drivers all have different endorsements with uniform or safety equipment manufacturers and it is interesting to see if they change with the new year. Looking forward to tomorrows post.

  • Robert | February 16, 2007 at 2:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”55798″]

    What’s with A Green’s socks?[/quote]

    Good question. Back in the late 70s and early 80s, tube socks pulled high were the range in all society, including college football. http://www.huskerped...

    By the mid-80s, the socks around the ankles trend had taken hold, though there was still some mixing and matching. http://www.huskerped...

    In the mid-90s, the team got away from wearing white socks that slumped down around the ankle (in an almost Pete Maravich-like way). Instead, they went with white, black or even red socks that were fully pulled up.

    The Ahman Green photo linked in the quote shows an example of the black. It was not a good look, in particular since black was not part of the color scheme.

    The red that was worn at home looked vaguely NFL-like, but I was not a big fan. http://www.theindepe...

    On the road, white socks were worn with the red pants. http://www.theindepe...

    These days, the team has returned to the bare-shinned look that I think best fits the college game. http://www.huskers.c...

  • Broker75 | February 16, 2007 at 2:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”55804″]I just got my new Boston Braves American Needle hat in the mail and wanted to express my dissatisfaction with the sizing of it so no one else will make the same mistake. Anytime you are ordering an American Needle hat seems to me you need to order a size bigger than usual. This one is quite tight without any shaping done to it while New Era hats in a 7 5/8 usually fit me quite nicely upon first placement to head.

    Just thought I would make this common knowledge in case someone else was considering buying an American Needle hat for the first time. This is going to take some breaking in and it’s not quite as easy as breaking in a New Era hat since the embroidery goes right through the strap in the front of the hat.[/quote]
    how does the American Needle ball cap determine their sizes, ie. 7-1/8, 7-1/2 etc. Are theirs S-M-L-XL? (by the way, I would never order anything without trying it on, I’m wayyy too picky). I was in Chicago recently and picked up a SF Giants New Era fitted ball cap, and I wear a 7-1/8, but the one I tried was so damn tight it made my eyes look like they were slanted.! then I tried another 7-1/8 and it was just right, weird. The best way (I think) too adjust your fitted ball cap to fit perfect is throw it in a swimming pool, soak it, and put it on your head for ‘a while’, or just sweat your ass off and wear it, but then it would stink, and the inside rim would turn yellow.

  • Ron | February 16, 2007 at 2:35 pm |

    OK, I am a newbie to posting here, the link for post #77

    http://www.jayski.co...

  • Mark Mihalik | February 16, 2007 at 2:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”55808″]Player-customized baseball equipment has been getting more and more popular recently, but I have to draw the line with Daisuke Matsuzaka’s glove. It seems he’s got a leather “M” pattern built into his web, and red gloves are ridiculous to begin with. Thanks, Japan.[/quote]

    Turns out that’s not all Nike made for Dice-K… he’s got his own cleat now, too.

  • Robert | February 16, 2007 at 2:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”55815″][quote comment=”55808″]Player-customized baseball equipment has been getting more and more popular recently, but I have to draw the line with Daisuke Matsuzaka’s glove. It seems he’s got a leather “M” pattern built into his web, and red gloves are ridiculous to begin with. Thanks, Japan.[/quote]

    Turns out that’s not all Nike made for Dice-K… he’s got his own cleat now, too.[/quote]

    I hate myself for saying it, but I think that the “M” built into the glove is kind of cool.

  • Broker75 | February 16, 2007 at 2:43 pm |

    there’s nothing worse than somebody taking their ball cap off and you smell this awful stench of 6 year old sweat piled on the inside rim mixed with worn out material that has been eaten up by the acid in the person’s sweat, then you catch a glimpse of the inside rim and it’s got layers of sweat, cheap gel and aerosol hairspray all gucked up on the inside. gross. here, here’s $20, go buy yourself a new hat.

  • Matthew S. | February 16, 2007 at 2:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”55817″]there’s nothing worse than somebody taking their ball cap off and you smell this awful stench of 6 year old sweat piled on the inside rim mixed with worn out material that has been eaten up by the acid in the person’s sweat, then you catch a glimpse of the inside rim and it’s got layers of sweat, cheap gel and aerosol hairspray all gucked up on the inside. gross. here, here’s $20, go buy yourself a new hat.[/quote]

    Broker75, that was quite vivid. Thank you. Glad I’ve already eaten lunch.

    I actually like the way my old hats smell, but I guess I’m weird. I also like the way my old baseball glove smells. I think I’m channeling the speech Ray Liotta made in Field of Dreams when he talks about holding a baseball next to his face.

  • Broker75 | February 16, 2007 at 3:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”55818″][quote comment=”55817″]there’s nothing worse than somebody taking their ball cap off and you smell this awful stench of 6 year old sweat piled on the inside rim mixed with worn out material that has been eaten up by the acid in the person’s sweat, then you catch a glimpse of the inside rim and it’s got layers of sweat, cheap gel and aerosol hairspray all gucked up on the inside. gross. here, here’s $20, go buy yourself a new hat.[/quote]

    Broker75, that was quite vivid. Thank you. Glad I’ve already eaten lunch.

    I actually like the way my old hats smell, but I guess I’m weird. I also like the way my old baseball glove smells. I think I’m channeling the speech Ray Liotta made in Field of Dreams when he talks about holding a baseball next to his face.[/quote]
    haha, hilarious, sorry for that..and try to keep your lunch down.

  • Allison | February 16, 2007 at 3:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”55743″][quote comment=”55682″]The same style hats have infiltrated the Reds camp along with T-shirts proclaiming 2006 Cincinnati Reds Spring Training.[/quote]

    Count the 2006 World Series Champion Cardinals among the teams wearing those dumb “new” BP caps and jerseys… although it looks like the braintrust is still wearing real game gear…[/quote]

    FYI guys…every MLB team has the new BP caps. Same template, different colors.

    Paul, 2 things.
    1) Enjoyed the article about the Mets player and his number– “…not good enough to wear a real number” hahahaha

    2) Can you make some sort of permanent note at the top RE: the BP caps? It seems everyday someone asks how many teams have it

  • Teebz | February 16, 2007 at 3:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”55818″]
    I actually like the way my old hats smell, but I guess I’m weird. I also like the way my old baseball glove smells. I think I’m channeling the speech Ray Liotta made in Field of Dreams when he talks about holding a baseball next to his face.[/quote]

    Gotta agree with you there, Matthew. I pulled my baseball stuff out last night as I bought a new bag for this season, and the scent of leather that came out of the old bag as I unzipped it brought a warm feeling over me. The old hat felt good as I slid it on my head too.

    I can’t say the same for my faded, salt-stained navy blue ballcap. That went into the wash last night with no hesitation. :o|

    As much as I love hockey, I can’t wait to hit the ball diamond again this summer.

  • Metsfan AZ | February 16, 2007 at 3:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”55831″][quote comment=”55743″][quote comment=”55682″]The same style hats have infiltrated the Reds camp along with T-shirts proclaiming 2006 Cincinnati Reds Spring Training.[/quote]

    Count the 2006 World Series Champion Cardinals among the teams wearing those dumb “new” BP caps and jerseys… although it looks like the braintrust is still wearing real game gear…[/quote]

    FYI guys…every MLB team has the new BP caps. Same template, different colors.

    Paul, 2 things.
    1) Enjoyed the article about the Mets player and his number– “…not good enough to wear a real number” hahahaha

    2) Can you make some sort of permanent note at the top RE: the BP caps? It seems everyday someone asks how many teams have it[/quote]
    Just wait until Kenny Rogers tries to wear it during a game! ;)

  • Matthew S. | February 16, 2007 at 3:25 pm |

    Just noticed on Page 2 that Mike Philbrick has written an article comparing and contrasting the All Star Games of baseball, basketball, football, and hockey. At the end of each sport’s section is the ‘Uni Watch take’ which shows Pauls’ picks for best, worst, and weirdest uniforms for each of the all star games.

    http://sports.espn.g...

    I didn’t notice Paul mentioning this anywhere today, but there it is.

  • Matthew S. | February 16, 2007 at 3:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”55832″][quote comment=”55818″]
    I actually like the way my old hats smell, but I guess I’m weird. I also like the way my old baseball glove smells. I think I’m channeling the speech Ray Liotta made in Field of Dreams when he talks about holding a baseball next to his face.[/quote]

    Gotta agree with you there, Matthew. I pulled my baseball stuff out last night as I bought a new bag for this season, and the scent of leather that came out of the old bag as I unzipped it brought a warm feeling over me. The old hat felt good as I slid it on my head too.

    I can’t say the same for my faded, salt-stained navy blue ballcap. That went into the wash last night with no hesitation. :o|

    As much as I love hockey, I can’t wait to hit the ball diamond again this summer.[/quote]

    To me, it isn’t spring when Punxatoney Phil (I may have misspelled that, but I didn’t care enough to look up how), it’s spring when pitchers and catchers report to Arizona or Florida.

    Teebz, I had a similar experience when I was back home over Christmas. I was in the garage at my mother’s house looking for my first baseman’s mitt, and I when I opened the box it was in, I got hit with a wave of that leather conditioner for baseball gloves which I had coated pocket of the glove with when I first got it. Always loved that smell.

  • hotrodd | February 16, 2007 at 3:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”55834″]Just noticed on Page 2 that Mike Philbrick has written an article comparing and contrasting the All Star Games of baseball, basketball, football, and hockey. At the end of each sport’s section is the ‘Uni Watch take’ which shows Pauls’ picks for best, worst, and weirdest uniforms for each of the all star games.

    http://sports.espn.g...

    I didn’t notice Paul mentioning this anywhere today, but there it is.[/quote]

    also it shows a link to the “2002” NBA allstar game, that is actually the 1972 game

  • schuby | February 16, 2007 at 3:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”55811″][quote comment=”55798″]

    What’s with A Green’s socks?[/quote]

    Good question. Back in the late 70s and early 80s, tube socks pulled high were the range in all society, including college football. http://www.huskerped...

    By the mid-80s, the socks around the ankles trend had taken hold, though there was still some mixing and matching. http://www.huskerped...

    In the mid-90s, the team got away from wearing white socks that slumped down around the ankle (in an almost Pete Maravich-like way). Instead, they went with white, black or even red socks that were fully pulled up.

    The Ahman Green photo linked in the quote shows an example of the black. It was not a good look, in particular since black was not part of the color scheme.

    The red that was worn at home looked vaguely NFL-like, but I was not a big fan. http://www.theindepe...

    On the road, white socks were worn with the red pants. http://www.theindepe...

    These days, the team has returned to the bare-shinned look that I think best fits the college game. http://www.huskers.c...

    I believe it is the player’s choice.

  • Richard | February 16, 2007 at 4:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”55837″][quote comment=”55834″]Just noticed on Page 2 that Mike Philbrick has written an article comparing and contrasting the All Star Games of baseball, basketball, football, and hockey. At the end of each sport’s section is the ‘Uni Watch take’ which shows Pauls’ picks for best, worst, and weirdest uniforms for each of the all star games.

    http://sports.espn.g...

    I didn’t notice Paul mentioning this anywhere today, but there it is.[/quote]

    also it shows a link to the “2002” NBA allstar game, that is actually the 1972 game[/quote]

    I can’t believe Paul said that THIS is the Good from the MLB All-Star Game?!?! PAJAMA PANTS ANYONE?

  • Kieran K. | February 16, 2007 at 4:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”55790″]

    http://www.distantre...;

    [/quote]

    That Phillies hat is awesome. I’m ordering one right now. Thanks for pointing that out.

  • schuby | February 16, 2007 at 4:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”55841″][quote comment=”55837″][quote comment=”55834″]Just noticed on Page 2 that Mike Philbrick has written an article comparing and contrasting the All Star Games of baseball, basketball, football, and hockey. At the end of each sport’s section is the ‘Uni Watch take’ which shows Pauls’ picks for best, worst, and weirdest uniforms for each of the all star games.

    http://sports.espn.g...

    I didn’t notice Paul mentioning this anywhere today, but there it is.[/quote]

    also it shows a link to the “2002” NBA allstar game, that is actually the 1972 game[/quote]

    I can’t believe Paul said that THIS is the Good from the MLB All-Star Game?!?! PAJAMA PANTS ANYONE?[/quote]

    Ummm, I’m pretty sure that those are the players’ regular uniforms. I really don’t see what’s wrong with them.

  • Allison | February 16, 2007 at 4:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”55844″][quote comment=”55841″][quote comment=”55837″][quote comment=”55834″]Just noticed on Page 2 that Mike Philbrick has written an article comparing and contrasting the All Star Games of baseball, basketball, football, and hockey. At the end of each sport’s section is the ‘Uni Watch take’ which shows Pauls’ picks for best, worst, and weirdest uniforms for each of the all star games.

    http://sports.espn.g...

    I didn’t notice Paul mentioning this anywhere today, but there it is.[/quote]

    also it shows a link to the “2002” NBA allstar game, that is actually the 1972 game[/quote]

    I can’t believe Paul said that THIS is the Good from the MLB All-Star Game?!?! PAJAMA PANTS ANYONE?[/quote]

    Ummm, I’m pretty sure that those are the players’ regular uniforms. I really don’t see what’s wrong with them.[/quote]

    The only thing wrong with them is the “pajama pants” effect. They look like grown men wearing footy-pajamas. I think Paul picked those uni’s as the best for the All-Star game because they are no different from their regular season. No flashy colors or designs (leave that travesty to the NFL). The majority of us here on Uniwatch are opposed to the Pajama look. I don’t like them because

    1.) I love baseball socks.
    2.) Baseball is a traditional sport. Traditionally they wore pants at midcalf of above. Not touching the top of the shoe.

    On a related note, I love the Cardinals socks.

  • Robert | February 16, 2007 at 4:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”55839″]
    I believe it is the player’s choice.[/quote]

    There will always be a few trouble makers.

  • Hal | February 16, 2007 at 4:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”55712″]”Politely putting up with soccer and hockey talk” is akin to “politely putting up with Dungeons & Dragons and World of Warcraft talk” to most people.

    NASCAR has become the second most watched competition in this country behind the NFL. NEXTEL has pledged $740M in a 10y sponsorship deal; the organization’s website is consistantly the most highly-trafficked site each year; merchandising revenues alone climb at least 40% each year; “NASCAR” at one point was the second most recognizable brand name behind only Blackberry. The list goes on.

    Is this representative of an entity that doesn’t receive reverence, let alone respect? Hockey and soccer are largely ignored by the media in this country, and when they’re not ignored they’re being viciously shit on. This site is one of the few non-centric sports sites that gives hockey a fair say. The use of those two sports as abundantly discussed is

    NASCAR being covered here makes perfect sense when deconstructing the branding and visual appeal of their cars and drivers, and I’m really surprised it wasn’t covered before. I just don’t think NASCAR is in a position to cry “poverty”.[/quote]

    Whoa! Back up! I’m cool with having NASCAR in here, even though I’m not personally interested. Don’t go ragging on hockey and soccer just because you don’t like them!

  • Teebz | February 16, 2007 at 4:39 pm |

    How could anybody think that NASCAR is a sport?

  • Hal | February 16, 2007 at 4:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”55802″]My favorite team, Arsenal, got to have tea with the Queen yesterday! The Queen was supposed to be at the opening of the brand new Emirates Stadium earlier this season but had to unfortunately pull out at the last moment, I think she may have pulled a groin or some such thing. So to make up for missing the opening ceremony the dear Queen invited the team to tea.

    And here they are; (L-toR)Johann Djourou, Alex Hleb, Cesc Fabregas, Mathieu Flamini, Thomas Rosicky, Justin Hoyte and Theo Walcott. I love that suit that Djourou has on![/quote]

    That is so cool! I just wish that Hoyte and Walcott didn’t make up the entire English membership of the squad. Don’t you think John Terry would look good in red and white?

  • schuby | February 16, 2007 at 4:43 pm |

    Does anyone know of a fantasy land where authentic jerseys are in the price range of a uni loving 14 year old?

  • Broker75 | February 16, 2007 at 4:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”55861″]Does anyone know of a fantasy land where authentic jerseys are in the price range of a uni loving 14 year old?[/quote]
    ..try ebay, you might get lucky, pawn shop?

  • Broker75 | February 16, 2007 at 4:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”55856″]How could anybody think that NASCAR is a sport?[/quote]
    you try and drive a car over 100mph around corners with a bunch of other vehicles doing the same speed and live to tell about it..

  • Teebz | February 16, 2007 at 4:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”55856″]How could anybody think that NASCAR is a sport?[/quote]

    If anyone thinks this is me, please realize that my comments in #31 hold true. I’d ask Paul or Ek for the IP address of the jackass(es) who thinks this is funny so that I could show the person(s) responsible what “funny” really is, but I’m not into committing e-crime nor do I falsely represent myself.

    Paul and Ek, please punish this imbecile to the fullest extent of your powers.

  • schuby | February 16, 2007 at 5:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”55865″][quote comment=”55861″]Does anyone know of a fantasy land where authentic jerseys are in the price range of a uni loving 14 year old?[/quote]
    ..try ebay, you might get lucky, pawn shop?[/quote]

    Ebay can be nice, but some people don’t get the meaning of “authentic.”

  • Teebz | February 16, 2007 at 5:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”55865″][quote comment=”55861″]Does anyone know of a fantasy land where authentic jerseys are in the price range of a uni loving 14 year old?[/quote]
    ..try ebay, you might get lucky, pawn shop?[/quote]

    What sport are you looking for, Schuby?

  • tessa | February 16, 2007 at 5:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”55674″]Here’s what was written in an article for today’s Atlanta Journal-Constitution:

    “They wouldn’t say so publicly, but Braves players and staff members gave unfavorable reviews to new batting practice jerseys and caps. Red and white swaths were added to the navy blue jerseys, and a red satin accent was added to each side of the blue caps. The caps were particularly unappealing to some Braves, including one who said it created the appearance of wearing a skull cap under the cap.”

    http://www.ajc.com/s...

    And here is Mike Mussina with his opinion on the new BP fashions as reported by Tyler Kepner’s NY Times Yankees Blog. (Look at the post that was posted at 12:49 pm, currently the second from the top)

  • Ryan Swift | February 16, 2007 at 5:20 pm |

    MLB released changes to the rulebook today. A uni-related tidbit is included:

    Rules 1.15(a) and 1.15(c): Pitchers’ gloves.

    Under Rule 1.15(a) pitchers are now allowed to wear multi-colored gloves so long as the glove is not, in the judgement of the umpire, distracting. This rule is now consistent with current practice at the professional level. Rule 1.15(c) provides a remedy for violations.

    Rule Changes for 2007: 1.15(a) and 1.15(c)

    1.15 (a) The pitcher’s glove may not, exclusive of piping, be white, gray, nor, in the judgment of an umpire, distracting in any manner.

    (b) No pitcher shall attach to his glove any foreign material of a color different from the glove.

    (c) The umpire-in-chief shall cause a glove that violates Rules 1.15(a) or 1.15(b) to be removed from the game, either on his own initiative, at the recommendation of another umpire or upon complaint of the opposing manager that the umpire-in-chief agrees has merit.

  • schuby | February 16, 2007 at 5:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”55877″][quote comment=”55865″][quote comment=”55861″]Does anyone know of a fantasy land where authentic jerseys are in the price range of a uni loving 14 year old?[/quote]
    ..try ebay, you might get lucky, pawn shop?[/quote]

    What sport are you looking for, Schuby?[/quote]

    Baseball or football.

  • Teebz | February 16, 2007 at 5:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”55880″]
    ( c ) The umpire-in-chief shall cause a glove that violates Rules 1.15(a) or 1.15(b) to be removed from the game, either on his own initiative, at the recommendation of another umpire or upon complaint of the opposing manager that the umpire-in-chief agrees has merit.[/quote]

    Just as a side question, has there ever been a time when the umpire-in-chief has disagreed with the merit of a complaint by the opposing manager?

  • Teebz | February 16, 2007 at 5:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”55883″][quote comment=”55877″]
    What sport are you looking for, Schuby?[/quote]

    Baseball or football.[/quote]

    Ebay is your best bet for low prices on authentic football jerseys. I would contact the seller and ask for more pictures if you have any questions before making a purchase.

    Caveat emptor says you can’t be too careful.

  • Nick | February 16, 2007 at 5:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”55746″][quote comment=”55739″][quote comment=”55728″]Puma is the only big-name sports appearal company that has gotten into the sport (with shoes too.)[/quote]

    Nike makes racing shoes.[/quote]
    You’re right, my Puma comment was direct toward the driving suits as seen here[/quote]

    Nike surged into NASCAR in 1999. According to this Nike/Starter supply 70 percent of the footware worn by NASCAR crews. They also got No.21 Jon Wood . Puma has many including Elliot Sadler, Martin Truex Jr., Michael Waltrip and DAvid Stremme. Even Oakley is into the act (look at the shoes) with Juan Montoya, Bobby Labonte and Reed Sorenson.

  • tim murphy | February 16, 2007 at 6:05 pm |

    check out iwamura’s nike bat — and, yes, it’s wood…

    http://images.sports...

  • tim murphy | February 16, 2007 at 6:07 pm |

    DAMMIT. i didn’t wanna be THAT guy…

    http://images.sports...

  • tim murphy | February 16, 2007 at 6:12 pm |

  • tim murphy | February 16, 2007 at 6:15 pm |

    i’m terribly sorry…last try, i promise…if this one doesn’t work, i promise to never post here again…i wouldn’t keep trying if i didn’t think it wasn’t worth it…

    http://farm1.static....

  • Buckeye Mike | February 16, 2007 at 6:50 pm |

    I, like many on here, am very ready for the Nascar post. I love raceing. I’m glad someone beat me to the thought of being nice to us who enjoy it. I also want to point out, if it hasn’t been, Paul, the 500 is on Sunday, that’s when they run the most of the Nextel Cup races, not counting night races, etc. But I’d think they majority of people would say car paint is the real uniform. I love some of the cars and when they look cool, I ask whats up, just like you would if someone busted out a new throwback. I am ready, bring on the fast!

    Oh, GO SMOKE!!!!!

    (that’s Tony Stewart for you non raceing fans!!!)

  • Scott | February 16, 2007 at 6:53 pm |

    Are all teams doing this to their caps, and I just missed it, or is this unique?

    http://www.komoradio...

  • Allison | February 16, 2007 at 6:57 pm |

    All teams are wearing the new BP caps.

    And Tim Murphy, it happens to the best of us. Along with forgetting the security code.

  • David | February 16, 2007 at 7:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”55925″]Are all teams doing this to their caps, and I just missed it, or is this unique?

    http://www.komoradio...

    Seriously?

  • Kyle at IU | February 16, 2007 at 7:13 pm |

    Damn, I wish I’d gotten on here earlier in the day. So much racing stuff from all disciplines being discussed.

    The thing with a NASCAR paint job (or “livery”, as our European fans might say) is that it is treated in exactly the same way as a uniform of a more traditional sport. If you are a Jeff Gordon fan, for example, you cheer for the number 24 AND the DuPont decals and paint job. All of the merchandise you buy to support has that stuff on it, much in the way a Yankees hat or jersey has the interlocking “NY” on it. In that sense, the look of the cars is much like a sports uniform.

    [quote comment=”55736″][quote comment=”55732″][quote comment=”55726″][quote comment=”55724″]I always thought it was cool when Marlboro would sponsor the drivers’ suit, do they still do it, or is it against the law to sponsor tobacco nowadays? and are the suits made with 100% leather?[/quote]

    In Europe, all tobacco advertising is now illegal, so in Formula 1 no teams are tobacco sponsored anymore. A number of teams such as Ferrari, Renault and McLaren have new liveries for the coming seasons as a result.

    Racing suits are made of a fire-resistant fabric called Nomex.[/quote]
    cool, thanks for that. Another thing, didn’t the winner used to chug champagne on the pedestal, and now it’s milk? is it because milk is cheaper, or the whole drinking and driving thing?[/quote]

    Hardcore racing fans may correct me here, but I think milk is only for the Indy 500. NASCAR drivers usually make sure to drink Pepsi, Mountain Dew, or whatever soft drink sponsors them. Formula 1 drivers still get champagne, and its in huge bottles.[/quote]

    First, tobacco sponsorships: The European Union has banned tobacco sponsorships from auto racing, period. I believe this is the first year that it has been entirely taken out of Formula 1. NASCAR has also gotten rid of tobacco sponsorships as well, as signified by the change from “Winston Cup” to “Nextel Cup”. The letter of the law in the U.S. is that a tobacco company may only sponsor one team out of all of the racing teams of any discipline in America. The cheif example of this is Marlboro; they have a title sponsorship with Penske Racing in the IRL, so Ferarri’s Formula 1 team, which had Marlboro sponsorship for a long time, was not allowed to put the company name on its car for the US Grand Prix. Other F1 teams in the US Grand Prix could use sponsorships from companies like Lucky Strike and West, because those companies didn’t have an existing sponsorship in America.

    Drinks: A milk of the driver’s choice (2%, skim, etc) for the Indy 500, soft drink sponsor for NASCAR unless you win the championship (champagne, baby!), magnum of Champagne Mumm for an F1 winner. Speaking of drinking, Jules Goux, winner of the 1913 Indy 500, consumed a rather large amount of champagne every time he stopped for tires and fuel DURING the race. And who said drinking and driving was a bad thing?

  • Jeff B | February 16, 2007 at 7:55 pm |

    So watching this horrible excuse for entertainment that is the “celebrity” all star game, no matter how pointless, was a good opp to see the all star unis in action.

    Honestly, they looked better in the pictures before. I hate the names under the numbers. The font is tough to read in motion, but the style and colors on the unis looks really good. The numbers would look better if they weren’t glittery, but fitting since its the all “star” game.

    BTW the floor exemplifys my thought on the two toned floor. The side with the red highlights for the west looks so much better than the blue highlights on the east side.

  • Alex | February 16, 2007 at 8:21 pm |

    Hey, anyone know where i could purchase a wonderful pair of golfer’s pants, such as these
    –>
    Oh, and i’m wondering if they have some sort of special name, other than golf knickerbockers.

  • Bob A | February 16, 2007 at 9:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”55949″]Hey, anyone know where i could purchase a wonderful pair of golfer’s pants, such as these
    –>
    Oh, and i’m wondering if they have some sort of special name, other than golf knickerbockers.[/quote]
    Missed your link but are you refering to Plus Fours?

  • concealed78 | February 16, 2007 at 9:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”55868″][quote comment=”55856″]How could anybody think that NASCAR is a sport?[/quote]

    If anyone thinks this is me, please realize that my comments in #31 hold true. I’d ask Paul or Ek for the IP address of the jackass(es) who thinks this is funny so that I could show the person(s) responsible what “funny” really is, but I’m not into committing e-crime nor do I falsely represent myself.

    Paul and Ek, please punish this imbecile to the fullest extent of your powers.[/quote]

    I’m sorry, but your comment sounded extremely elitest and arrogant. And I don’t care for NASCAR, either. I’m tired of it running over my shows.

  • =bg= | February 16, 2007 at 10:49 pm |

    I think NASCAR belongs here, (tho I am not a fan) due to the visual branding of the cars and the drivers as mentioned before. NASCAR deserves to be called a sport, but I don’t consider the drivers true athletes. I did like the Pixar movie ‘CARS,’ tho..

  • Minna H. | February 16, 2007 at 11:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”55756″]

    Paul,

    I was thinking that you should have every Uni Watch reader email you with the particular subjects/topics that we are interested in, and then you can email each of us every morning to let us know if your post of that day fits our interests.

    I get to work around 6:15 a.m. eastern, so please have my email here by then. Also, I find a daily inspirational quote cheers me up. Please include one in your emails.

    Thanks. :)[/quote]

    I agree with David. I usually read around, oh, uh, damn. I don’t have a set time. You can email me at the stroke of midnight—and no inspirational quotes for me, please, as they make me actively (as opposed to passively) aggressive. You made me laugh, David. Thanks.

  • S Bennett | February 16, 2007 at 11:26 pm |

    the only NASCAR exception to the sports drink/soda sponsor i can remember is when Dale Jr.’s crew cracked open a case of Budweiser in victory lane. Usually the beer sponsored cars just have a case sitting on the roof of car for advertisement purposes.

    I bet Clint Bowyer’s crew would have a good time in victory lane.
    [/quote]

    Not as much as Mark Martin’s crew. Hey Now!

  • Minna H. | February 16, 2007 at 11:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”55750″][quote comment=”55721″]Being a big hockey guy on here[/quote]

    Wait, Teebz, you’re a big hockey guy? I never noticed! :-P

    Anyway, I’m not a NASCAR fan, but I’m all for the NASCAR inclusion, too. And I would like to formally petition the Uni Nation to avoid sport-based defensiveness. We’re all matu…uh, I mean, we’re all adu…okay, we’re all uni people here.[/quote]

    Burrill, it shocked me, too. I never would have guessed that Teebz liked hockey, just as I’m sure no one knew I like all-black unis.

    In the words of Rodney King, ‘Can’t we all just get along?’

    I’m just happy the Wild! are keeping the Christmas unis next season.

  • S Bennett | February 16, 2007 at 11:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”55795″][quote comment=”55695″]Anyone hear this rumor about the Buffalo Bills possible move to Toronto?IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN

    The Canadian Parliment has a block on the NFL or American football leagues coming into Canada.

    It won’t even come to this. The NFL is TV revenue driven. What advantage do they gain by entering a Canadian TV market? None. Zip. Ergo, no desire to go to Canada.

  • =bg= | February 16, 2007 at 11:41 pm |

    Hadn’t seen a good shot of the Giants and those (fill appropriate expletive in here) new BP caps. There’s a nice sideways shot of Russ Ortiz on the Giants site, and that dreadful little stripe thing over the ear.

    I HATE the little stripe thing.

    Will they use those in the regular season? And how did they make one for Barry’s head?

  • joe | February 16, 2007 at 11:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”55867″][quote comment=”55856″]How could anybody think that NASCAR is a sport?[/quote]
    you try and drive a car over 100mph around corners with a bunch of other vehicles doing the same speed and live to tell about it..[/quote]

    yeah its called the dan ryan in chicago during rush hour

  • Minna H. | February 16, 2007 at 11:54 pm |

    Oh, and I am for a NASCAR entry if it means a post by the illustrious but elusive Johnny Ek. Welcome back, Ek.

  • Joe Raskin | February 16, 2007 at 11:57 pm |

    The Yankees are memorializing Cory Lidle, a guy who was with them for half a season, and not Hank Bauer?

  • Burrill | February 16, 2007 at 11:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”56008″]Burrill, it shocked me, too. I never would have guessed that Teebz liked hockey, just as I’m sure no one knew I like all-black unis.

    In the words of Rodney King, ‘Can’t we all just get along?'[/quote]

    Wait, you like all-black unis? Why doesn’t anyone ever tell me these things?! I mean, what’s next? Are you going to express admiration for some Pittsburgh Steeler with lots of hair?

    Oh, and in the inferred words of the LAPD: “No, not really.”

  • ToasterPoodle | February 16, 2007 at 11:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”55799″]“Emerson Fittipaldi tossed the traditional Indy 500 victory milk aside in favor for orange juice. the racing world was appalled.”

    Didnt he do this because he was lactose intolerant? I always thought orange juice was the substitute for lactose intolerant people, such as myself :)[/quote]

    I thought that it was because he owned orange groves in Brazil.

  • interlockingtc | February 17, 2007 at 12:24 am |

    When auto racing comes up my eyes glaze over and I start to daydream. Such will be the case with this blog tomorrow . Then, it will be over.

  • S Bennett | February 17, 2007 at 12:29 am |

    [quote comment=”56022″]When auto racing comes up my eyes glaze over and I start to daydream. Such will be the case with this blog tomorrow . Then, it will be over.[/quote]

    Don’t worry; it’s an FA Cup weekend in england tomorrow. Lots of interesting stuff will happen, no doubt!

  • bo | February 17, 2007 at 2:37 am |

    Just got done reading the article on the best uniform cities. I just can’t get over the Celtics uni’s getting four and a half stars. They ruined an amazing and classic uniform by adding the trendy splash of black. Its a shame. Somebody should be held responsible for this.

  • Mark in Shiga | February 17, 2007 at 5:44 am |

    [quote comment=”55875″][quote comment=”55865″][quote comment=”55861″]Does anyone know of a fantasy land where authentic jerseys are in the price range of a uni loving 14 year old?[/quote]
    ..try ebay, you might get lucky, pawn shop?[/quote]

    Ebay can be nice, but some people don’t get the meaning of “authentic.”[/quote]

    Schuby, you just have to know your stuff and you’ll spot the bargains. For example, I’m a Cubs fan, and so when I look for an ‘authentic’ Cubs jersey, I make sure that the big circular CUBS logo on the front is embroidered with a thick blue border. If there’s a thin white line around that, I know that the logo is actually a patch and thus the ‘authentic’ jersey isn’t authentic at all.

    Eventually you’ll spot one that’s going for a low price and hasn’t bin bid up too high.

    And if you’re only 14, so much the better — you’ll be wearing a smaller size than adults! Not too many people can fit into, say, size 40 jerseys, so those often go cheaper. Good luck!

  • john | February 17, 2007 at 10:18 am |

    [quote comment=”55853″][quote comment=”55712″]”Politely putting up with soccer and hockey talk” is akin to “politely putting up with Dungeons & Dragons and World of Warcraft talk” to most people.

    NASCAR has become the second most watched competition in this country behind the NFL. NEXTEL has pledged $740M in a 10y sponsorship deal; the organization’s website is consistantly the most highly-trafficked site each year; merchandising revenues alone climb at least 40% each year; “NASCAR” at one point was the second most recognizable brand name behind only Blackberry. The list goes on.

    Is this representative of an entity that doesn’t receive reverence, let alone respect? Hockey and soccer are largely ignored by the media in this country, and when they’re not ignored they’re being viciously shit on. This site is one of the few non-centric sports sites that gives hockey a fair say. The use of those two sports as abundantly discussed is

    NASCAR being covered here makes perfect sense when deconstructing the branding and visual appeal of their cars and drivers, and I’m really surprised it wasn’t covered before. I just don’t think NASCAR is in a position to cry “poverty”.[/quote]

    Whoa! Back up! I’m cool with having NASCAR in here, even though I’m not personally interested. Don’t go ragging on hockey and soccer just because you don’t like them![/quote]

    Congrats for reading my post and learning nothing. If you’ve seen anything I’ve ever posted it’s ALL HOCKEY (save for one post about Lenny Dykstra and his chew). I was responding to post #3. Go read that, then reread mine.

  • bf1945 | February 18, 2007 at 11:45 pm |

    Just thought I’d mention that Wake Forest used the same throwback jerseys on Saturday against Miami. Interestingly enough they won both games.