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Saturday Open Thread

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It’s one thing when a player puts on his new team’s cap and jersey at a press conference after signing as a free agent. But the Nationals had Austin Kearns dress up the other day just to announce his contract extension, which is a bit much. He played over 60 games for them last year.

 

119 comments to Saturday Open Thread

  • B Wach$ | February 3, 2007 at 8:36 am |

    That is a little weird with Kearns.

    Duke v Virginia womens hoops went color on color last night. But blue and orange isn’t that confusing.

  • Stuby | February 3, 2007 at 8:44 am |

    I love when teams do things that make you say ‘WTF?’ He’s on your team already. People should know what he looks like in a Nationals jersey.

    I just saw that SF Giants owner Peter Magowan sent a letter to season ticket holders explaining why they re-signed Bonds. Again, WTF?

    At least they didn’t trot out Bonds in front of the media and have him show off his new size 9 3/4 Giants hat.

  • The Original Lee | February 3, 2007 at 8:56 am |

    [quote comment=”50833″]That is a little weird with Kearns.

    Duke v Virginia womens hoops went color on color last night. But blue and orange isn’t that confusing.[/quote]

    you mean black and orange arent that that confusing. duke is the king of the unnecessary black uni overthe normal colors. damn them.

    this message brought to you by ditch the black

  • mbx1231 | February 3, 2007 at 9:14 am |

    About the Nats, the new owners are going to de-emphasize the secondary “DC” logo this year and show the old-time script “W” more. Is it me or is there something cool about interlocking letters on a baseball cap.

  • ThresherK | February 3, 2007 at 9:21 am |

    The Bears’ unique, stylized “C” says Chicago Bears when you look at it. You’re not going to think it stands for anything else. — Jill Dobson, a style editor for Star magazine

    Except for one pro football team. Not reusing Bears’ helmets, just applying the decal in a completely different setting.

    Who, where, and why? (And bonus points for those who don’t Google for their answer.)

  • The Ol Goaler | February 3, 2007 at 9:24 am |

    It’s pretty obvious the Nats are trying to make Kearns the “face” of the franchise… they’re likely to be pretty bad this season, so they’re resorting to the old, “Come see (our player) play!” ploy. (I know, it works better when the player in question is really a star, but I guess ya works with what ya gots…)

  • amr | February 3, 2007 at 9:31 am |

    [quote comment=”50840″]The Bears’ unique, stylized “C” says Chicago Bears when you look at it. You’re not going to think it stands for anything else. — Jill Dobson, a style editor for Star magazine[/quote]

    Yeah, well it also says “Cincinnati Reds.”
    (Yeah, I know they’re slightly different, but I had to look them up to see what the difference was. They’re both flat, elliptical Cs with points at the left.)

    There’s gotta be some colleges that use it to.

  • Dave | February 3, 2007 at 9:37 am |

    Have you seen the new attrocities for the pro bowl? Wait, it’s the pro bowl, nobody watches anyway.

  • B Wach$ | February 3, 2007 at 9:53 am |

    [quote comment=”50838″][quote comment=”50833″]That is a little weird with Kearns.

    Duke v Virginia womens hoops went color on color last night. But blue and orange isn’t that confusing.[/quote]

    you mean black and orange arent that that confusing. duke is the king of the unnecessary black uni overthe normal colors. damn them.

    this message brought to you by ditch the black[/quote]

    Wow, how did I overlook the black. As a diehard Dukeie I hate the black unis for the men and women. The girls wearing black is kinda wierd since the men played blue vs white on Thursday at Virginia.

  • Dave | February 3, 2007 at 9:53 am |

    Looks like Kearns has switched from #28 to #25.

  • Johnny O | February 3, 2007 at 10:02 am |

    Bears copycat in college. Carroll College near Milwaukee.

    Carroll

  • Brandon | February 3, 2007 at 10:03 am |

    You usually see teams use the jersey and hat thing for notable signings, but the Nats havn’t had any of those this offseason. Gotta celebrate the highpoints where you can find them I guess.

    The wishbone C says Chicago Bears to me (since I’m from Illinois), but it also says the Reds and the Indians used to have it on their caps.

  • Stuby | February 3, 2007 at 10:18 am |

    [quote comment=”50843″]Have you seen the new attrocities for the pro bowl? Wait, it’s the pro bowl, nobody watches anyway.[/quote]
    Ouch, babe; truly hideous. Actually, I don’t think anyone even attends the game either.

  • Scott | February 3, 2007 at 10:26 am |

    [quote comment=”50842″][quote comment=”50840″]The Bears’ unique, stylized “C” says Chicago Bears when you look at it. You’re not going to think it stands for anything else. — Jill Dobson, a style editor for Star magazine[/quote]

    Yeah, well it also says “Cincinnati Reds.”
    (Yeah, I know they’re slightly different, but I had to look them up to see what the difference was. They’re both flat, elliptical Cs with points at the left.)

    There’s gotta be some colleges that use it to.[/quote]

    It also says the University of Chicago. I think the Bears stole that ‘C’ from them.

  • Jeff E. | February 3, 2007 at 10:27 am |

    Why can’t these guys take their sport coats off before putting on the jersey? It looks silly (though a jersey over a dress shirt isn’t much better) ,and usually the jersery barely fits over the jacket, making it look uncomfortable and the player really bulky.

  • Stuby | February 3, 2007 at 10:27 am |

    [quote comment=”50839″]About the Nats, the new owners are going to de-emphasize the secondary “DC” logo this year and show the old-time script “W” more. Is it me or is there something cool about interlocking letters on a baseball cap.[/quote]
    I agree that the interlocking letters are cool if done correctly. I remember how excited I was when I realized that the bottom of the ‘L’ on the Dodgers cap formed the cross of the ‘A’. I was about 7, but I thought the design was pure genius.

    On the other hand there is the Colorado Rockies logo. I don’t think interlocking letters on a cap should incorporate both the city (state) and team name. They should have just gone with a ‘C’ of some sort.

  • MJE | February 3, 2007 at 10:39 am |

    [quote comment=”50840″]The Bears’ unique, stylized “C” says Chicago Bears when you look at it. You’re not going to think it stands for anything else. — Jill Dobson, a style editor for Star magazine

    Except for one pro football team. Not reusing Bears’ helmets, just applying the decal in a completely different setting.

    Who, where, and why? (And bonus points for those who don’t Google for their answer.)[/quote]

    Didn’t the cardinals (football) use the wishbone C for a period of time?

    On another note, I am not into the Nat’s look. And I lived in DC for their first 2 seasons (man do I miss our Nation’s Capital).

    Also, I am a big fan of the CLE Cav’s blue. Of course, I love anything that the UVA Cav’s wear…

  • Brandon Grimm | February 3, 2007 at 10:48 am |

    [quote comment=”50839″]About the Nats, the new owners are going to de-emphasize the secondary “DC” logo this year and show the old-time script “W” more. Is it me or is there something cool about interlocking letters on a baseball cap.[/quote]

    Not only does the interlocking DC logo look cool, but it also matches their uniforms better than the script W. I understand history and all, but why match a traditional looking hat logo with a modern looking jersey design. It only adds to the sad history of the Expos/Nationals franchise.

  • John | February 3, 2007 at 11:05 am |

    I think what ThresherK is looking for is back in the WFL days. The New York Stars moved to Charlotte, and to localize the logo, they slapped the Bears C right over the top. The next season they became the Hornets. There’s a site somewhere with a picture, but I’m working off memory. No googling here.

  • John | February 3, 2007 at 11:08 am |

    Found the link.

  • John | February 3, 2007 at 11:09 am |

    But apparently can’t make it work. It’s on the Helmet Project site under WFL.

  • GrafZeppelin | February 3, 2007 at 11:13 am |

    The Bears’ wishbone “C” has been used at various times in history by the Chicago Cardinals football team, as well as the Cubs, White Sox (sort of), Cincinnati Reds, and Cleveland Indians.

  • ThresherK | February 3, 2007 at 11:16 am |

    [quote comment=”50864″]I think what ThresherK is looking for is back in the WFL days. The New York Stars moved to Charlotte, and to localize the logo, they slapped the Bears C right over the top. The next season they became the Hornets. There’s a site somewhere with a picture, but I’m working off memory. No googling here.[/quote]

    Bingo!

    The league that brought us the first Chicago Fire also provided the first Charlotte Hornets.

    And for those in need of another “The goggles! They do nothing!”, hit up the Helmet Project for the Southern California Sun.

  • Robert | February 3, 2007 at 11:18 am |

    [quote comment=”50869″]The Bears’ wishbone “C” has been used at various times in history by the Chicago Cardinals football team, as well as the Cubs, White Sox (sort of), Cincinnati Reds, and Cleveland Indians.[/quote]

    Who used it first?

  • GrafZeppelin | February 3, 2007 at 11:21 am |

    The Chicago Cardinals football team had a small wishbone “C” on the sleeves; this was on the 1994 throwback uniform but I can’t find a good picture.

  • Wally1912 | February 3, 2007 at 11:26 am |

    Here’s the link to the entire BP cap colletion. The Red Sox away cap also does not have any contasting color above the ear.

  • GrafZeppelin | February 3, 2007 at 11:27 am |

    Unless you count this or this, the first MLB team to use the familiar wishbone “C” was the 1913 Cincinnati Reds.

  • Wally1912 | February 3, 2007 at 11:27 am |

    Let me try it again. New Era BP cap collection.

  • Wally1912 | February 3, 2007 at 11:29 am |

    I give up. Copy and paste if it still doesn’t work.

    http://www.neweracap...

  • DenverGregg | February 3, 2007 at 11:37 am |

    What would make Kearns start wearing 25? Is he confessing to better living through chemistry? It’s not like that number’s been associated with a lot of good recently.

  • dan | February 3, 2007 at 11:42 am |

    They just wanted to give him onme for chance to change his mind…. “So youre ok with wearing this jersey Austin? OK then we have a deal”

  • Kyle O | February 3, 2007 at 11:52 am |

    When it comes to interlocking DC’s, I prefer this logo to what Washington uses (available here if the first link doesn’t work). The Nats DC seems kinda thick and bulky to me, IMO.

    Also noticed on michiganhelmetproject’s Detroit page that Detroit Crockett is another high school that uses the wishbone C on their helmet.

  • TD | February 3, 2007 at 11:54 am |

    http://www.workingfo...

    I don’t think the Bears (nor the Lions, for that matter) ever wore the 80’s Riddell duckbill masks, but I suppose its okay to grade on a curve here.

  • Brian Smith | February 3, 2007 at 11:57 am |

    [quote comment=”50870″][quote comment=”50864″]I think what ThresherK is looking for is back in the WFL days. The New York Stars moved to Charlotte, and to localize the logo, they slapped the Bears C right over the top. The next season they became the Hornets. There’s a site somewhere with a picture, but I’m working off memory. No googling here.[/quote]

    Bingo!

    The league that brought us the first Chicago Fire also provided the first Charlotte Hornets.

    And for those in need of another “The goggles! They do nothing!”, hit up the Helmet Project for the Southern California Sun.[/quote]

    Actually, the FIRST Charlotte Hornets were a minor league baseball team that bounced between several A and AA leagues until folding in 1971.

  • J at The Dundies | February 3, 2007 at 12:05 pm |

    Has MLB ever sold manager jerseys? I feel as if they could make money on that. I live in Detroit, where we worship Jim Leyland now. Don’t you think his #10 would be a hot sell? I’d buy one. But, other than that, I can see LaRussa jerseys being big in St. Louis, Torre in New York, and there are probably more managers that are worshiped by fans. Wouldn’t this be a good idea?

    Also, are there any managers with their numbers retired (not including player-managers)?

  • Paul Lukas | February 3, 2007 at 12:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”50890″]Also, are there any managers with their numbers retired (not including player-managers)?[/quote]

    Off the top of my head:

    – Yanks have retired 1 for Billy Martin (although he was also a player) and 37 for Casey Stengel

    – Mets: 37 for Casey Stengel

    – Royals: 10 for Dick Howser

    – Pirates: 40 for Danny Murtaugh

    – Orioles: 4 for Earl Weaver

    – Dodgers: 2 for Tommy Lasorda and 24 for Walt Alston

    And so on….

  • Jeremy | February 3, 2007 at 12:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”50890″]Has MLB ever sold manager jerseys? I feel as if they could make money on that. I live in Detroit, where we worship Jim Leyland now. Don’t you think his #10 would be a hot sell? I’d buy one. But, other than that, I can see LaRussa jerseys being big in St. Louis, Torre in New York, and there are probably more managers that are worshiped by fans. Wouldn’t this be a good idea?

    Also, are there any managers with their numbers retired (not including player-managers)?[/quote]

    There is always the personalize option on the teams website.

  • Stuby | February 3, 2007 at 12:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”50891″][quote comment=”50890″]Also, are there any managers with their numbers retired (not including player-managers)?[/quote]

    Off the top of my head:

    – Yanks have retired 1 for Billy Martin (although he was also a player) and 37 for Casey Stengel

    – Mets: 37 for Casey Stengel

    – Royals: 10 for Dick Howser

    – Pirates: 40 for Danny Murtaugh

    – Orioles: 4 for Earl Weaver

    – Dodgers: 2 for Tommy Lasorda and 24 for Walt Alston

    And so on….[/quote]

    I imagine that the Yanks will retire Torre’s #6 eventually.

  • Mike Miller | February 3, 2007 at 12:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”50891″][quote comment=”50890″]Also, are there any managers with their numbers retired (not including player-managers)?[/quote]

    Off the top of my head:

    – Yanks have retired 1 for Billy Martin (although he was also a player) and 37 for Casey Stengel

    – Mets: 37 for Casey Stengel

    – Royals: 10 for Dick Howser

    – Pirates: 40 for Danny Murtaugh

    – Orioles: 4 for Earl Weaver

    – Dodgers: 2 for Tommy Lasorda and 24 for Walt Alston

    And so on….[/quote]

    Reds #1 for Fred Hutchinson. I believe they retired #10 recently for Sparky Anderson too.

  • interlockingtc | February 3, 2007 at 12:35 pm |

    Man, that Nationals wordmark might rival Tampa Bay’s as the ugliest, clunkiest in baseball (with several other teams grasping at their heels to take the top spot–Arizona, Houston, et al).

  • Mike Miller | February 3, 2007 at 12:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”50895″][quote comment=”50891″][quote comment=”50890″]Also, are there any managers with their numbers retired (not including player-managers)?[/quote]

    Off the top of my head:

    – Yanks have retired 1 for Billy Martin (although he was also a player) and 37 for Casey Stengel

    – Mets: 37 for Casey Stengel

    – Royals: 10 for Dick Howser

    – Pirates: 40 for Danny Murtaugh

    – Orioles: 4 for Earl Weaver

    – Dodgers: 2 for Tommy Lasorda and 24 for Walt Alston

    And so on….[/quote]

    Reds #1 for Fred Hutchinson. I believe they retired #10 recently for Sparky Anderson too.[/quote]

    I was correct on the Reds #1 and #10

    Reds Retired Numbers

  • Judd | February 3, 2007 at 12:52 pm |

    I have a general, nitpicky question on the phrase “interlocking” N and Y.

    Graphically and architecturally speaking, the word interlocking means something like this.

    Would it be more accurate to consider the Yankees logo (and Metroplitans and Nationals and Twins and other teams) as overlapping?

    It’s always bugged me, but maybhe I’m way off.

  • amr | February 3, 2007 at 1:01 pm |

    I would consider the DC and TC interlocking, because there’s an impression that one is wrapping around the other. They’re interlocking like the Olympic rings. The NY’s? Not so much.

  • Judd | February 3, 2007 at 1:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”50907″]I would consider the DC and TC interlocking, because there’s an impression that one is wrapping around the other. They’re interlocking like the Olympic rings. The NY’s? Not so much.[/quote]

    Interesting, although I would probably use the word interLINKing rings for the Olympic logo… maybe I’m just being too nitpicky.

    InterLOCKing seems to imply something different, two elements that are side-by-side.

  • Mike Miller | February 3, 2007 at 1:12 pm |

    Do security codes change if you take too long? I just spent 20 minutes on a jersey collection post and when I hit the button to post, it said invailid security code. ACK!

  • =bg= | February 3, 2007 at 1:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”50836″]I love when teams do things that make you say ‘WTF?’ He’s on your team already. People should know what he looks like in a Nationals jersey.

    I just saw that SF Giants owner Peter Magowan sent a letter to season ticket holders explaining why they re-signed Bonds. Again, WTF?

    At least they didn’t trot out Bonds in front of the media and have him show off his new size 9 3/4 Giants hat.[/quote]

    That’s hilarious.
    When I lived in Cincinnati, a friedn of mine was the asst clubhouse mgr for the Reds- I used to go in there all the time, it was great. I remember he called me the day Deion left the Reds, he said ‘get down here and take all his Nike stuff,’ and pitcher Jose Rijo had beaten me to it.

    Anyway, I went into the magical room where all the stuff is. Hats, jackets, jerseys, like the world’s best sporting goods store, cept just for the Reds. All the Starter jackers were HUGE, so none for me- and he determined that I, along with Johnny Bench and relief pitcher Lee Smith, had the biggest head in the history of the Reds (7 5/8’s.)

  • neil | February 3, 2007 at 1:27 pm |

    I’m almost positive on MLB.com that you are not allowed to have the name and number of a manager customized onto a jersey.

  • steve | February 3, 2007 at 1:40 pm |

    any word on whether the new washington nationals owner will be changing the name/design when the new stadium opens? i thought the nationals was just a temporary name chosen by MLB and that it would be changed once the owner was chosen.

  • Teebz | February 3, 2007 at 1:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”50915″]I’m almost positive on MLB.com that you are not allowed to have the name and number of a manager customized onto a jersey.[/quote]

    The Nhl has an interesting rule regarding an NHL player name on an NHL jersey. It costs more to have a player’s name sewn onto the back of an NHL jersey because there is a cost that is paid directly to the NHLPA because that player is in the union. If you get your own name or a custom name, it costs slightly cheaper, but the NHL stores normally charge the same flat fee. Why? They make a little more off people who don’t know about this rule.

  • Stuby | February 3, 2007 at 1:47 pm |

    I was just watching some highlights from SB XXIII and Joe Montana was definitely wearing a different jersey style than the rest of the team. The sleeve stripes were much wider and spaced farther apart.

    I vaguely recall a story from back then saying that the jersey he was wearing was the same one he wore in SB XIX. Anyone have any info on this?

  • concealed78 | February 3, 2007 at 1:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”50856″][quote comment=”50839″]About the Nats, the new owners are going to de-emphasize the secondary “DC” logo this year and show the old-time script “W” more. Is it me or is there something cool about interlocking letters on a baseball cap.[/quote]
    I agree that the interlocking letters are cool if done correctly. I remember how excited I was when I realized that the bottom of the ‘L’ on the Dodgers cap formed the cross of the ‘A’. I was about 7, but I thought the design was pure genius.

    On the other hand there is the Colorado Rockies logo. I don’t think interlocking letters on a cap should incorporate both the city (state) and team name. They should have just gone with a ‘C’ of some sort.[/quote]

    Well, there were already two pre-existing ‘C’ caps, including a very popular one, so I guess the Rockies were looking for their personaly stamp instead of being another ‘C’ cap. Tho I think the font they use is too clunky for a hat. It’s probably why the Blue Jays won’t ever put a ‘T’ on their caps, ’cause it’s so Texas Rangers (and logically, the Blue Jays would have a white ‘T’ on a royal blue cap)

  • Stuby | February 3, 2007 at 2:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”50923″][quote comment=”50856″][quote comment=”50839″]About the Nats, the new owners are going to de-emphasize the secondary “DC” logo this year and show the old-time script “W” more. Is it me or is there something cool about interlocking letters on a baseball cap.[/quote]
    I agree that the interlocking letters are cool if done correctly. I remember how excited I was when I realized that the bottom of the ‘L’ on the Dodgers cap formed the cross of the ‘A’. I was about 7, but I thought the design was pure genius.

    On the other hand there is the Colorado Rockies logo. I don’t think interlocking letters on a cap should incorporate both the city (state) and team name. They should have just gone with a ‘C’ of some sort.[/quote]

    Well, there were already two pre-existing ‘C’ caps, including a very popular one, so I guess the Rockies were looking for their personaly stamp instead of being another ‘C’ cap. Tho I think the font they use is too clunky for a hat. It’s probably why the Blue Jays won’t ever put a ‘T’ on their caps, ’cause it’s so Texas Rangers (and logically, the Blue Jays would have a white ‘T’ on a royal blue cap)[/quote]
    Haven’t the Jays gone with sort of a ‘T’ on their cap for the upcoming season?

  • Billy B. | February 3, 2007 at 2:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”50890″]Has MLB ever sold manager jerseys? I feel as if they could make money on that. I live in Detroit, where we worship Jim Leyland now. Don’t you think his #10 would be a hot sell? I’d buy one. But, other than that, I can see LaRussa jerseys being big in St. Louis, Torre in New York, and there are probably more managers that are worshiped by fans. Wouldn’t this be a good idea?

    Also, are there any managers with their numbers retired (not including player-managers)?[/quote]
    There is a sports store where I live that sold Ozzie Guillen and Dusty Baker jerseys last year. If I was a Sox fan I would get the Guillen jersey.

  • Mike | February 3, 2007 at 2:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”50923″][quote comment=”50856″][quote comment=”50839″]About the Nats, the new owners are going to de-emphasize the secondary “DC” logo this year and show the old-time script “W” more. Is it me or is there something cool about interlocking letters on a baseball cap.[/quote]
    I agree that the interlocking letters are cool if done correctly. I remember how excited I was when I realized that the bottom of the ‘L’ on the Dodgers cap formed the cross of the ‘A’. I was about 7, but I thought the design was pure genius.

    On the other hand there is the Colorado Rockies logo. I don’t think interlocking letters on a cap should incorporate both the city (state) and team name. They should have just gone with a ‘C’ of some sort.[/quote]

    Well, there were already two pre-existing ‘C’ caps, including a very popular one, so I guess the Rockies were looking for their personaly stamp instead of being another ‘C’ cap. Tho I think the font they use is too clunky for a hat. It’s probably why the Blue Jays won’t ever put a ‘T’ on their caps, ’cause it’s so Texas Rangers (and logically, the Blue Jays would have a white ‘T’ on a royal blue cap)[/quote]

    Didn’t the Blue Jays come out with a T hat for the upcoming season. I seem to remember them debuting it when they signed Frank Thomas, but I can’t remember specifically. And for the Jays to have a white T on a royal blue hat, they would actually have to be using royal blue as a color, instead of the retarted black, sliver, and white, with blue accents.

  • concealed78 | February 3, 2007 at 2:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”50879″]I give up. Copy and paste if it still doesn’t work.

    http://www.neweracap...

    That Angels one just looks so right. The worst ones seem to be Toronto, Giants and Reds. Tho of course BP caps are a complete waste of time.

  • Stuby | February 3, 2007 at 2:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”50927″][quote comment=”50879″]I give up. Copy and paste if it still doesn’t work.

    http://www.neweracap...

    That Angels one just looks so right. The worst ones seem to be Toronto, Giants and Reds. Tho of course BP caps are a complete waste of time.[/quote]
    Yeah, but the whole idea is to get you to part with your disposable income.

  • concealed78 | February 3, 2007 at 2:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”50924″][quote comment=”50923″][quote comment=”50856″][quote comment=”50839″]About the Nats, the new owners are going to de-emphasize the secondary “DC” logo this year and show the old-time script “W” more. Is it me or is there something cool about interlocking letters on a baseball cap.[/quote]
    I agree that the interlocking letters are cool if done correctly. I remember how excited I was when I realized that the bottom of the ‘L’ on the Dodgers cap formed the cross of the ‘A’. I was about 7, but I thought the design was pure genius.

    On the other hand there is the Colorado Rockies logo. I don’t think interlocking letters on a cap should incorporate both the city (state) and team name. They should have just gone with a ‘C’ of some sort.[/quote]

    Well, there were already two pre-existing ‘C’ caps, including a very popular one, so I guess the Rockies were looking for their personaly stamp instead of being another ‘C’ cap. Tho I think the font they use is too clunky for a hat. It’s probably why the Blue Jays won’t ever put a ‘T’ on their caps, ’cause it’s so Texas Rangers (and logically, the Blue Jays would have a white ‘T’ on a royal blue cap)[/quote]
    Haven’t the Jays gone with sort of a ‘T’ on their cap for the upcoming season?[/quote]

    Oh how quickly I have forgotten about that horror. I was still thinking in logical terms, and not the current blasphemy. Damn this off-season is too long.

  • TD | February 3, 2007 at 2:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”50891″][quote comment=”50890″]Also, are there any managers with their numbers retired (not including player-managers)?[/quote]

    Off the top of my head:

    – Yanks have retired 1 for Billy Martin (although he was also a player) and 37 for Casey Stengel

    – Mets: 37 for Casey Stengel

    – Royals: 10 for Dick Howser

    – Pirates: 40 for Danny Murtaugh

    – Orioles: 4 for Earl Weaver

    – Dodgers: 2 for Tommy Lasorda and 24 for Walt Alston

    And so on….[/quote]

    Billy Meyer (PIT 1)

    Eddie Matthews, Frank Robinson, Joe Cronin, Ted Lyons, Tony Perez, Lou Boudreau, Ty Cobb, Larry Dierker, Gil Hodges (Mets), Bill Dickey, Yogi Berra, Honus Wagner, Danny Murtaugh, Bill Terry, Mel Ott, Rogers Hornsby, Red Schoendienst, and Ken Boyer have all managed the teams that retired their numbers as a player.

  • Dave S | February 3, 2007 at 2:39 pm |

    Here is the “T” on the new Toronto caps Click Here

  • Andrew | February 3, 2007 at 2:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”50846″]Looks like Kearns has switched from #28 to #25.[/quote]

    That’s exactly what happened, and probably had the press conference with jersey and cap. For the Nats, this is big news LOL

  • Timmer | February 3, 2007 at 2:50 pm |

    I heard on valentine’s day in the NBA, all of the home teams are going to wear special red uniforms. Should be interesting.

    …And by interesting I mean this will be one of those things we look back at and laugh about.

  • Justin | February 3, 2007 at 2:51 pm |

    I went digging through some San Diego State archives… and found that in 2004, the football team actually wore these horrendous uniforms.

    More views:

    Here

    Here

    Here

    Here

  • Andrew | February 3, 2007 at 3:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”50941″]I heard on valentine’s day in the NBA, all of the home teams are going to wear special red uniforms. Should be interesting.

    …And by interesting I mean this will be one of those things we look back at and laugh about.[/quote]

    Can’t be any worse than the Green St. Patrick’s Day unis worn last year by my Bulls, the Kicks and I forget who else.

  • Pete | February 3, 2007 at 3:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”50948″][quote comment=”50941″]I heard on valentine’s day in the NBA, all of the home teams are going to wear special red uniforms. Should be interesting.

    …And by interesting I mean this will be one of those things we look back at and laugh about.[/quote]

    Can’t be any worse than the Green St. Patrick’s Day unis worn last year by my Bulls, the Kicks and I forget who else.[/quote]

    celtics were the third

  • J at The Dundies | February 3, 2007 at 3:16 pm |

    One more random number retirement question:
    Jackie Robinson’s #42 is retired throughout baseball. Mariano Rivera is among the greatest closers of all time. He was grandfathered into wearing that number. The Yankees really like to retire numbers, and Rivera certainly deserves it. Would they be allowed to re-retire the number in his honor?

  • Josh W. | February 3, 2007 at 3:24 pm |

    About manager numbers being retired, I’m sure Bobby Cox’s #6 will be retired here in Atlanta.

    Next, I dont know if this was mentioned yesterday or not, but in the new ESPN The Magazine, there’s a two page spread for the new Under Armour baseball cleats. And apparently Jeff Francoeur has signed on with “Click-Clack”. Oh gosh, I hope they dont start making ridiculous baseball commercials too. Speaking of which, this UA parody video cracks me up.

  • Stuby | February 3, 2007 at 3:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”50952″]One more random number retirement question:
    Jackie Robinson’s #42 is retired throughout baseball. Mariano Rivera is among the greatest closers of all time. He was grandfathered into wearing that number. The Yankees really like to retire numbers, and Rivera certainly deserves it. Would they be allowed to re-retire the number in his honor?[/quote]
    Have the Cards retired Bruce Sutter’s #42?

  • Timmy D | February 3, 2007 at 3:35 pm |

    I was just watching the ’85 Bears America’s Game on NFL Network and they showed a clip from the NFC Championship Game against the Los Angeles Rams and they showed a shot of Eric Dickerson. They started at his feet and panned up, but when they were showing his feet I saw something interesting. His shoes were all taped up, but he had the Adidas Three Stripes drawn on with a blue marker over the tape. It was quite interesting to see that. Made me chuckle. If I see it again I will be sure to get a pic of it.

    Bear Down

  • Wes Covington | February 3, 2007 at 3:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”50954″][quote comment=”50952″]One more random number retirement question:
    Jackie Robinson’s #42 is retired throughout baseball. Mariano Rivera is among the greatest closers of all time. He was grandfathered into wearing that number. The Yankees really like to retire numbers, and Rivera certainly deserves it. Would they be allowed to re-retire the number in his honor?[/quote]
    Have the Cards retired Bruce Sutter’s #42?[/quote]

    The Cardinals retired Sutter’s 42 last year and they have a graphic showing both men next to the number.

  • S Bennett | February 3, 2007 at 3:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”50920″]I was just watching some highlights from SB XXIII and Joe Montana was definitely wearing a different jersey style than the rest of the team. The sleeve stripes were much wider and spaced farther apart.

    I vaguely recall a story from back then saying that the jersey he was wearing was the same one he wore in SB XIX. Anyone have any info on this?[/quote]

    I remember reading in SI a few yeas ago that his wife packed the victorious SB jersey in his luggage. Whn he opened his bags, it was the first thig he saw, and decided to wear it.

  • Eric | February 3, 2007 at 3:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”50954″]
    Have the Cards retired Bruce Sutter’s #42?[/quote]

    yup

    http://stlouis.cardi...

  • Eric | February 3, 2007 at 4:03 pm |

    also, regarding the joe montana jersey…i was watching that, too. sometime in the mid- to late-80s, the niners switched from the wide sleeve stripes to the slimmer ones. this probably had to do with the fact that players were wearing shorter, tighter jersey sleeves and the wide stripes just didn’t work. i think you were right about montana wearing the old jersey because you could tell his red jersey numbers were ironed on when the light shined off it. i noticed that on all the niner jerseys from the first time they played the bengals in the SB. after that, they went to stitched numbers.

  • Travis | February 3, 2007 at 4:13 pm |

    Well that scumhound drug addict Michael Irvin got elected to the Hall of Fame while Art Monk, one of the classiest players in NFL history got ignored yet again.

    What a fucking travesty.

    If this is the way that the HoF voters are going then TO is going to be elected unanimously.

    Just fucking sickening.

    Re: Eric Dickerson.

    Feh that’s old, old news. Players who got their shoes taped up did that all the time.

  • Frank from B-more | February 3, 2007 at 4:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”50856″][quote comment=”50839″]About the Nats, the new owners are going to de-emphasize the secondary “DC” logo this year and show the old-time script “W” more. Is it me or is there something cool about interlocking letters on a baseball cap.[/quote]
    I agree that the interlocking letters are cool if done correctly. I remember how excited I was when I realized that the bottom of the ‘L’ on the Dodgers cap formed the cross of the ‘A’. I was about 7, but I thought the design was pure genius.

    On the other hand there is the Colorado Rockies logo. I don’t think interlocking letters on a cap should incorporate both the city (state) and team name. They should have just gone with a ‘C’ of some sort.[/quote]

    I thought I was the only person who had a problem with this. It drives me crazy when the letter on the cap is the first letter of the Team name rather then the location. The Rockies choice drives me nuts, but I do love the interlocking letters concept when done correctly.

  • S Bennett | February 3, 2007 at 4:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”50962″]Well that scumhound drug addict Michael Irvin got elected to the Hall of Fame while Art Monk, one of the classiest players in NFL history got ignored yet again.

    What a fucking travesty.

    If this is the way that the HoF voters are going then TO is going to be elected unanimously.

    Just fucking sickening.

    Re: Eric Dickerson.

    Feh that’s old, old news. Players who got their shoes taped up did that all the time.[/quote]

    Just thought I’d tie the two together.

    No Art Monk? The Football HOF doesn’t deserve the sweat off my balls. What a joke. I guess you need your teammates to piss and moan enough and you’ll get there. Irvin brought more shame to the NFL than respect. All Art Monk ever did was go out, catch balls, and win football games.

  • S Bennett | February 3, 2007 at 4:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”50962″]Well that scumhound drug addict Michael Irvin got elected to the Hall of Fame while Art Monk, one of the classiest players in NFL history got ignored yet again.

    What a fucking travesty.

    If this is the way that the HoF voters are going then TO is going to be elected unanimously.

    Just fucking sickening.

    Re: Eric Dickerson.

    Feh that’s old, old news. Players who got their shoes taped up did that all the time.[/quote]

    Just thought I’d tie the two topics together.

    No Art Monk? The Football HOF doesn’t deserve the sweat off my balls. What a joke. I guess you need your teammates to piss and moan enough and you’ll get there. Irvin brought more shame to the NFL than respect. All Art Monk ever did was go out, catch balls, and win football games.

  • billy | February 3, 2007 at 4:27 pm |

    hey there everyone

    I was wondering, I am looking for the “alternate” St Patrick’s Day jerseys. Besides the Phillies, and Astros….anyone know what teams, and maybe some links….where to get them ?

  • Mark in Shiga | February 3, 2007 at 4:28 pm |
  • MetsFan AZ | February 3, 2007 at 4:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”50966″][quote comment=”50962″]Well that scumhound drug addict Michael Irvin got elected to the Hall of Fame while Art Monk, one of the classiest players in NFL history got ignored yet again.

    What a fucking travesty.

    If this is the way that the HoF voters are going then TO is going to be elected unanimously.

    Just fucking sickening.

    Re: Eric Dickerson.

    Feh that’s old, old news. Players who got their shoes taped up did that all the time.[/quote]

    Just thought I’d tie the two topics together.

    No Art Monk? The Football HOF doesn’t deserve the sweat off my balls. What a joke. I guess you need your teammates to piss and moan enough and you’ll get there. Irvin brought more shame to the NFL than respect. All Art Monk ever did was go out, catch balls, and win football games.[/quote]
    First off, i agree, Art Monk should be in the HOF. But to play devil’s advocate, should compilers – guys who are around long enough to put up the numbers – get into the HOF? It’s more of a baseball argument probably but just something to throw out there.

  • Frank from B-more | February 3, 2007 at 4:56 pm |

    I don’t know about a website for the St. Pat’s jerseys, but I am sure that the Red and White Sox wear them. I would bet they are on MLB.com or eBay.

  • Mike | February 3, 2007 at 5:06 pm |

    While not always St. Patrick’s Day specific, don’t forget about Notre Dame’s football, women’s hoops, baseball, and hockey jersey’s that often show up as green. Hockey, women’s hoops, and baseball almost always bust them out for the day, asuming hoops and hockey are still playing.

  • duby | February 3, 2007 at 5:11 pm |

    Boston Collegsketball wore a new gold alternate jersey for the first time today.

    check it out

  • Brad | February 3, 2007 at 5:13 pm |

    I think all the home NBA teams on Valentine’s Day already wear red. So my guess is normal road (or 3rd) jerseys will be worn at home and not special designs.

    Miami, Atlanta, Houston, etc.

  • duby | February 3, 2007 at 5:18 pm |

    Sorry for the typo, not sure what happened there. It should read:

    Boston College basketball wore a new gold alternate jersey for the first time today.

  • Brad | February 3, 2007 at 5:20 pm |

    Oops, I was wrong that red uni thing….I checked the schedule and that’s not the case.
    Looks there would have to be a new red jersey for most teams.

  • GrafZeppelin | February 3, 2007 at 5:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”50934″][quote comment=”50891″][quote comment=”50890″]Also, are there any managers with their numbers retired (not including player-managers)?[/quote]

    Off the top of my head:

    – Yanks have retired 1 for Billy Martin (although he was also a player) and 37 for Casey Stengel

    – Mets: 37 for Casey Stengel

    – Royals: 10 for Dick Howser

    – Pirates: 40 for Danny Murtaugh

    – Orioles: 4 for Earl Weaver

    – Dodgers: 2 for Tommy Lasorda and 24 for Walt Alston

    And so on….[/quote]

    Billy Meyer (PIT 1)

    Eddie Matthews, Frank Robinson, Joe Cronin, Ted Lyons, Tony Perez, Lou Boudreau, Ty Cobb, Larry Dierker, Gil Hodges (Mets), Bill Dickey, Yogi Berra, Honus Wagner, Danny Murtaugh, Bill Terry, Mel Ott, Rogers Hornsby, Red Schoendienst, and Ken Boyer have all managed the teams that retired their numbers as a player.[/quote]

    Gil Hodges’ #14 was retired by the Mets for his services as manager, not for his contributions as a player. He did play for the Mets briefly in 1962 and ’63 before managing the Washington Senators through 1967, and the Mets from 1968 through Spring Training 1972, when he died of a heart attack just before the season opened.

    Hopefully the Veterans’ Committee will induct him this year, but that’s a whole other issue….

  • Travis | February 3, 2007 at 5:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”50976″][quote comment=”50966″][quote comment=”50962″]Well that scumhound drug addict Michael Irvin got elected to the Hall of Fame while Art Monk, one of the classiest players in NFL history got ignored yet again.

    What a fucking travesty.

    If this is the way that the HoF voters are going then TO is going to be elected unanimously.

    Just fucking sickening.

    Re: Eric Dickerson.

    Feh that’s old, old news. Players who got their shoes taped up did that all the time.[/quote]

    Just thought I’d tie the two topics together.

    No Art Monk? The Football HOF doesn’t deserve the sweat off my balls. What a joke. I guess you need your teammates to piss and moan enough and you’ll get there. Irvin brought more shame to the NFL than respect. All Art Monk ever did was go out, catch balls, and win football games.[/quote]
    First off, i agree, Art Monk should be in the HOF. But to play devil’s advocate, should compilers – guys who are around long enough to put up the numbers – get into the HOF? It’s more of a baseball argument probably but just something to throw out there.[/quote]

    Well, personally I think that all of the numbers that have been put up by all offensive players in the NFL over the past 15+ years should be marked with an asterisk, simply because the defenses have been hamstrung to the extent that you can’t even so much as fart in a receiver or qb’s direction, let alone actually touch them without getting penalized.

    Which kind of brings up Tiki Barber.

    Everyone at ESPN sucked his dick all season long and many of the sports radio ‘tards were shrieking that he was a guaranteed first ballot HoFer.

    And I look at his career and his numbers and I just don’t see it.

    He was never the dominant overall player of his era.
    He was never the dominant overall running back of his era.
    He was never the dominant running back in his conference.
    Hell he was never the dominant running back in his division.

    So he led the Giants in total yards and in rushing yards. Big fucking deal. That’s the equivilent of being declared King Of Nothing.

    He never came anywhere close to leading the league in rushing.

    And he certainly isn’t among the Top 5 running backs in Giants history.

    And there’s the fact that he managed to destroy what little chemistry the team had with his fights and feud with Michael Strahan.

    I really don’t see how people can justify his being a HoFer, ’cause I sure can’t.

    Shit, I’d put Joe Morris and Dave Meggit in the HoF ahead of Barber and those two never get any mention for the Hall.

  • Florian | February 3, 2007 at 6:11 pm |

    Totally random note: Paul would love this case of totally non-matching green socks to a black-and-white jersey. With additional photos here, here and here.

  • Andy from KC | February 3, 2007 at 6:12 pm |

    New Era’s finally released the new batting practice hats to the public. The Angels are the only team that don’t have the design on the side

    Actually New Era just messed up the pics. All teams including the Angels and Red Sox have the falp thingy design over the ear as seen on Amazon.com when you search (team name) batting practice 2007.

    I was looking at the Royals’ new BP hat, and my first reaction is that it looks like a cheap-o $5 hat you can get at Wal-Mart. That may not be a fair assessment, though, since I can’t really get a feel for the look of it with that huge-ass sticker on the bill. Oh well, at least it doesn’t look like this.

  • Andy from KC | February 3, 2007 at 6:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”50912″]Do security codes change if you take too long? I just spent 20 minutes on a jersey collection post and when I hit the button to post, it said invailid security code. ACK![/quote]

    Yes, security codes do time out. Make sure it’s the last thing you enter. I’ve enjoyed everybody’s jersey pics so far, and am looking for yours.

  • Kyle from CC | February 3, 2007 at 6:22 pm |

    The miami hurricanes will get new football uniforms for the 07 season.

    Anyone know when they will be shown to the public??

  • StevieW | February 3, 2007 at 7:09 pm |

    “I was correct on the Reds #1 and #10

    Reds Retired Numbers”

    …and no player or manager has worn #14 for the Reds since 8/20/1989 although that number is not retired.

  • DRob | February 3, 2007 at 7:21 pm |

    Here is the Red jersey for the New Orleans Hornets.
    Note that it says Oklahoma City.

    Barf.

  • Matt H. | February 3, 2007 at 7:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”50980″]Boston Collegsketball wore a new gold alternate jersey for the first time today.

    check it out[/quote]

    love em, and they weren’t as gold as i feared….

  • pennywisdom | February 3, 2007 at 7:38 pm |

    Found some pics of the St. Patty’s day alts in action…
    Wells
    Schilling
    Nomar
    Maddux
    Molina

    I know the Dodgers usually wear green hats on St. Pattys also.

    I saw that someone was looking to buy a green uni…you can find them all over the place. Check this.

  • Jeff | February 3, 2007 at 7:44 pm |

    I was parusing the New Era site that Mark linked in post #22, looking at what they have available for my favorite baseball team, the Cleveland Indians, and I came across this Politically Correct nightmare.

    Bloody Chief Wahoo

    It’s under their “Tagged” line of hats (“tagged” as in spraypaint bombing). It only succeeds in looking like swag for Chief Wahoo – little known victim of Wounded Knee.

    As a fan, I’m somewhat conflicted about Chief Wahoo. I’m a lover of kitch too, but Chief Wahoo seems to be the most egregrious example of poor taste among sports teams and its depiction of a minority. I think the “Indians” moniker is O.K., but lets just move forward.

    That and I think the Indians uniform just isn’t that good. It’s got no sense of history and tradition (outside the attempt to modernize the script “INDIANS” from the Fifties) for a team that has been around for a hundred years.

    The 1937 Uni template that GrafZeppelin linked in post #23… I would love if the Indians went back to something like this. It has a different “C” for the home and road cap (which would allow them to milk paraphanelia sales). And if they wanted to differentiate themselves from Cincy and stay away from the wishbone “C” on the home jersey they could still utilize the script “Indians” from the fourties and fifties. Or use the block “C” from the championship 1920 team. The ’37 Uni even has a somewhat respectful Indian’s chief head patch on the sleeve. And Finally, how can you not dig those sock stripes?

    It’s a pretty complete set-up.

  • David S. | February 3, 2007 at 8:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”51016″]
    …and no player or manager has worn #14 for the Reds since 8/20/1989 although that number is not retired.[/quote]

    Not True. In 1997 Pete Rose JR. wore #14 in his stint with the Reds:

    http://reds.enquirer...

  • Matt H. | February 3, 2007 at 8:26 pm |

    i should post an extremly rare jersey i have, like 1/6 rare…

  • Dave A | February 3, 2007 at 8:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”50890″]Has MLB ever sold manager jerseys? I feel as if they could make money on that. I live in Detroit, where we worship Jim Leyland now. Don’t you think his #10 would be a hot sell? I’d buy one. But, other than that, I can see LaRussa jerseys being big in St. Louis, Torre in New York, and there are probably more managers that are worshiped by fans. Wouldn’t this be a good idea?

    Also, are there any managers with their numbers retired (not including player-managers)?[/quote]

    The not-so-Blue Jays have sold coach and manager game worns and game readys in the gift shop at the Rogers Centre. I remember seeing a Carlos Tosca gamer for sale after he had been fired.

  • DarkAudit | February 3, 2007 at 8:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”51010″]The miami hurricanes will get new football uniforms for the 07 season.

    Anyone know when they will be shown to the public??[/quote]

    You see them every time there’s a perp walk on TV. :)

  • Dave A | February 3, 2007 at 8:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”50968″]hey there everyone

    I was wondering, I am looking for the “alternate” St Patrick’s Day jerseys. Besides the Phillies, and Astros….anyone know what teams, and maybe some links….where to get them ?[/quote]

    The Blue Jays and Red Sox have both worn green St. Patrick’s Day jerseys. Not sure where you can buy one though.

  • Ron | February 3, 2007 at 8:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”50920″]I was just watching some highlights from SB XXIII and Joe Montana was definitely wearing a different jersey style than the rest of the team. The sleeve stripes were much wider and spaced farther apart.

    I vaguely recall a story from back then saying that the jersey he was wearing was the same one he wore in SB XIX. Anyone have any info on this?[/quote]

    You are correct for SB XXIII, Joe Montana wore the exact same jersey as he did in SB XIX. It was suggested by his wife to wear the same jersey for luck. In addition to the striping on the sides, the font of his name on the back is different from everyone else as well.

  • Utz, the Crab Chip | February 3, 2007 at 9:01 pm |

    2 comments:
    1) The Blue Jays are switching to a permanant T this year? That means Houston, Cleveland, and my Orioles are the o;nly teams sans lettering on their hats? Awesome.
    2) Of course the Football HoF is stupid. Shouldn’t there be 5x as many offensive linemen in the hall than quarterbacks? Guess what? There are a lot more QBs. They ought to change it to the QB/RB/WR hall of fame and just stop pretending.

  • David S. | February 3, 2007 at 9:08 pm |

    http://img389.images...

    corrected link for Pete Rose Jr.’s jersey #14 in 1997.

  • concealed78 | February 3, 2007 at 10:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”51007″][quote comment=”50912″]Do security codes change if you take too long? I just spent 20 minutes on a jersey collection post and when I hit the button to post, it said invailid security code. ACK![/quote]

    Yes, security codes do time out. Make sure it’s the last thing you enter. [/quote]

    How ironic. I’ve lost a-many posts by forgetting to enter the security code when I was done.

  • Aaron | February 3, 2007 at 11:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”51017″]Here is the Red jersey for the New Orleans Hornets.
    Note that it says Oklahoma City.

    Barf.[/quote]
    There’s a red jersey in this picture?

  • Dave A | February 3, 2007 at 11:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”51032″]2 comments:
    1) The Blue Jays are switching to a permanant T this year? That means Houston, Cleveland, and my Orioles are the o;nly teams sans lettering on their hats? Awesome.[/quote]

    It was mentioned around the time of the Frank Thomas signing that the new (and seriously fugly) T cap is only going to be an alternate cap, not the permanent one.

  • Jeff C. | February 3, 2007 at 11:40 pm |

    On the ESPN hompage there is a picture of Manning and Harrison. One has a blue face mask and one is grey.
    Here

  • Jeff C. | February 3, 2007 at 11:42 pm |
  • Andrew | February 4, 2007 at 12:15 am |

    [quote comment=”51032″]2 comments:
    1) The Blue Jays are switching to a permanant T this year? That means Houston, Cleveland, and my Orioles are the o;nly teams sans lettering on their hats? Awesome.
    quote]

    No, the O’s and Indians both have pretty ugly alternate caps with lettering (O’s have “O’s” and the Indians have an “I”).

  • GG | February 4, 2007 at 12:28 am |

    I was watching a few highlights from the 72 dolphins on the Americas Game series and noticed that a couple of players, Griese and Zsonka included, different jerseys than the rest of the team. Their jerseys had a different type face and didn’t include sleeve stripes. I had heard of the dolphin in/out on the helmets during this time, but not the different jerseys.

    Click here and you can go to the Americas Game website and click on the 72 Dolphins and the photo gallery on the bottom right. You can also go here and their is a clear shot of Griese with the different uni…

  • Nate | February 4, 2007 at 3:29 am |

    Hey, new identity from the Colorado Rapids (i checked, and I don’t think Paul has mentioned this. sorry if it’s a repeat!)


    Wikipedia: Colorado Rapids

    I really dig the shield design, and the new colors look great. I don’t know why the soccer ball only has a few panels. Do I smell vertically arched lettering?

  • StevieW | February 4, 2007 at 1:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”51035″]http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/8156/rosejrmw8.png

    corrected link for Pete Rose Jr.’s jersey #14 in 1997.[/quote]

    Thanks for the link. I forgot about Pete, Jr. I stand corrected.

  • Kerry | February 4, 2007 at 1:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”50866″]But apparently can’t make it work. It’s on the Helmet Project site under WFL.[/quote]
    You mean THIS HELMET??

  • 5w50 | February 4, 2007 at 4:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”50900″][quote comment=”50895″][quote comment=”50891″][quote comment=”50890″]Also, are there any managers with their numbers retired (not including player-managers)?[/quote]

    Off the top of my head:

    – Yanks have retired 1 for Billy Martin (although he was also a player) and 37 for Casey Stengel

    – Mets: 37 for Casey Stengel

    – Royals: 10 for Dick Howser

    – Pirates: 40 for Danny Murtaugh

    – Orioles: 4 for Earl Weaver

    – Dodgers: 2 for Tommy Lasorda and 24 for Walt Alston

    And so on….[/quote]

    Reds #1 for Fred Hutchinson. I believe they retired #10 recently for Sparky Anderson too.[/quote]

    I was correct on the Reds #1 and #10

    Reds Retired Numbers[/quote]
    Yep, Gil Hodges was a player, but his #14 was retired by the Mets after his success as the team’s manager.

  • chris | February 4, 2007 at 7:45 pm |

    weel if you look at his undercap it is black and take note his new jersey is 25 and his old jersey was 28 the nationals outfielder has 28 now

  • BallWonk | February 5, 2007 at 10:22 am |

    [quote comment=”50918″]any word on whether the new washington nationals owner will be changing the name/design when the new stadium opens? i thought the nationals was just a temporary name chosen by MLB and that it would be changed once the owner was chosen.[/quote]

    I have a letter from Bud Selig from late 2004 in which he strongly implies that the new owners would be encouraged to make the team their own with a new identity when they move into the new stadium. But everything I’ve heard from sources close to the team suggests that the Lerners see the Nationals name as a significant part of what they just paid $400 to buy, and like very many completely deluded Washington baseball fans they think the curly-W has a great tradition behind it. In fact it does not, having only been worn by the carpetbagging expansion Senators for a few losing season before the team left town in disgrace. But sadly that’s the Senators cap that is frozen in everyone’s mind as the “traditional” cap of DC baseball.

    The Lerners also recently updated their stadium renderings to include a scoreboard with a giant curly W. So I just don’t see the W going away in the next decade, and I would also be shocked if the name on the jersey changed too. Had someone other than the Lerners bought the team, I think there are good odds that both the curly W and the Nationals name would be up for change in 2008.