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If It’s Not Scottish, It’s Crap!

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New ESPN column today. Check that — it’s been bumped to Monday.

Meanwhile: One thing I love about Uni Watch is how an offhand comment sometimes leads to a series of connections that can teach me something — or a whole set of somethings — I didn’t know before.

Case in point: On Monday night, I was sorta-kinda watching the BCS debacle while reading through the day’s comments, one of which was a note from reader Matthew Self: “ESPN Classic is showing a boxing match (from the early 1970s, I think, but I haven’t yet seen particulars) in which one of the boxers (I think I heard the commentator call him ‘Buchanan’) is wearing plaid — yes, plaid — boxing trunks.”

I posted a response, explaining that the fighter in question was Ken Buchanan, a Scottish lightweight best known for wearing Scotch plaid trunks while losing his title to Roberto Durán in 1972 (this was the first of Durán’s many world titles).

It wasn’t until the next morning that I saw a further response, from Michael Churchill: “In that case, it’s probably the Buchanan tartan, and it does look like it to me.”

I hadn’t realized there was such a thing as Buchanan tartan. I thought the trunks were just Buchanan’s way of honoring his homeland, but it turns out he was honoring his family name, which is pretty cool. And although I’d never seen any photos or video of him except from the Durán fight, a bit of additional research reveals that the plaid trunks were his visual signature throughout his career, as seen here, here, here, and here. He became so plaid-associated that he titled his autobiography The Tartan Legend.

Wanna see the plaid trunks in action? You can see the 13th and final round of the Buchanan/Durán bout here, and a few rounds from Buchanan’s 1972 fight against Carlos Ortiz are available here.

Coupla notes about the videos: First, check out those “Rocky Duran” shirts being worn by Durán’s cornermen — that was his nickname at the time. And in the Ortiz fight, see the ref taking something out of his pocket at the end of each round and then writing something on it? That’s his scorecard, because fights in New York state were scored by two judges and the referee in those days (instead of the three-judge system that’s pretty standard worldwide these days).

Meanwhile: If you find yourself digging the Buchanan plaid, it’s available on virtually anything you can think of: neckties, bow ties, scarves, mittens, baseball caps, pillows, notebooks, teddy bears, guitar cases, even soccer balls. And yes, of course, kilts.

Speaking of which: Note that Buchanan consistently paired his plaid trunks with white footwear, perhaps as way of mimicking the full-on kilt and stockings look. And don’t make fun of him, because he could probably kick your ass from here to Glasgow.

New Arrivals: Big day for the Uni Watch library yesterday, as two vintage catalogs showed up in the mail. First up is this 1930 beauty, which I won on eBay a few days ago. Aside from the super-cool football jerseys and super-dorky hoops jerseys, there are some surprises. Who knew, for example, that there were so many different leather helmets available in 1930 (note the built-in faceguard on model No. 70H)? Or so many different football pants? Or basketball knee pads? Or that lacrosse players got to wear this totally boss helmet? Also: What’s so special about a “laceless basketball”? Answer: Most basketballs back then were laced up!

In addition, the Rev. Dr. Keith Coes generously donated this 1974 hockey catalog. This one isn’t as scanner-friendly, so I’m only gonna show a few pages, like these cutaway illos showing all the features of their gloves. Check out the helmets — and the mouthguards! My favorite part: the different stripe patterns you could get for the shaft of your stick.

Uni Watch Road Show: Looks like I’m going to be making brief early-February visits to San Francisco and Dallas (the latter of which will definitely see me wearing this). If any readers in those towns are interested in getting together for an impromptu Uni Watch gathering, let me know and I’ll keep you posted as my itinerary firms up.

Meanwhile, an additional tidbit of news regarding the Uni Watch party tentatively slated for February 3rd in Brooklyn (if you think you can make it, send a note to uniparty at earthlink dot net): Looks like the venue will be the 12th Street Bar & Grill, where the presiding bartender will be none other than Uni Watch editor emeritus Miles Seligman. Although no longer in the media game (and who can blame him), Miles was the Village Voice‘s sports editor back when I came up with the Uni Watch idea in 1999, and was the only editor who Got It™ when I shopped the project around. He oversaw the column’s first few years and gave it the freedom to grow into its own thing. Or to put it another way, he’s at least slightly responsible for all of us meeting here every day. He’s promised to come up with a few drink specials for us (I’m trying to get him to create a cocktail called a Bloody Uni), and I’m sure he’ll get a kick out seeing the audience he’s had a hand in creating.

Uni Watch News Ticker: Big News out of St. Looie, where several readers report that the Blues’ radio team spilled the beans on the NHL’s plan to go back to home whites next season. … Good catch by Bryan Redemske, who notes that Andy Pettitte was wearing Johnny Damon’s glove for his photo op yesterday. … “Union College goalie Justin Mrazek appears to be wearing cut-off sweats under his pads,” writes Greg Schwanbeck. “I’ve never seen a goalie (or any other hockey player, for that matter) play with exposed skin below the knee.”

 

174 comments to If It’s Not Scottish, It’s Crap!

  • Bill Blewett | January 12, 2007 at 8:09 am |

    no video links showing up fo me

  • Lake | January 12, 2007 at 8:11 am |

    Why anyone would want to have those straps in direct contact with their skin is beyond me.

  • Paul Lukas | January 12, 2007 at 8:12 am |

    [quote comment=”40773″]no video links showing up fo me[/quote]

    I’m fixing them right now — check back in a minute.

  • Richard | January 12, 2007 at 8:12 am |

    Jarvis Green, Patriots throwback player. What a helmet.

  • Natron | January 12, 2007 at 8:14 am |

    Cooper has a long illustrious history of designing some of the greatest looking hockey helmets known to man.

    Behold the XL7. I’ve never been able to find a pic of these babies in action… wonder why?

  • Burrill | January 12, 2007 at 8:32 am |

    While shooting a Dexter hockey game last Saturday, I noted the logo they painted on the wall. Dexter’s teams are known as the Dreadnoughts, and they’ve long used cartoony ship logos, but this one caught my eye for two reasons:
    1)Does it look like it’s sinking?
    2)Note the placement of the (very muscular) arms.

    Also worth noting: the logo features the historical spelling (dreadnought); however, the Dexter teams now seem to be known as the Dreadnaughts (as demonstrated by the local paper).

    And, in what could be a lot of fun, they’ve also taken to calling themselves the Dreads. However, I have yet to see anyone use that nickname to its full potential.

  • Jeff | January 12, 2007 at 8:38 am |

    Hate to burst your bubble, but it is generally the rule that only members of the clan can wear the tartan. In other words, I can, but you cannot. Ha!

  • Natron | January 12, 2007 at 8:42 am |

    Anybody else immediatly think of The Great White Hype’s “Irish” Terry Conklin when they saw Ken Buchanan’s plaid trunks?!

    Yeah, he’s not scottish like Ken Buchanan, but in the movie he’s not irish either.. just fought in a plaid kilt.

  • Ron | January 12, 2007 at 8:43 am |

    The illos are fascinating (I love any explanatory graphic like that highlighting the scientific features of, well, anything), but the best part of the day so far has been the fact that the beefy arms on the Dexter logo are the same beefy arms on Trogdor the Burninator.

  • Michael Churchill | January 12, 2007 at 8:55 am |

    Wow, what an honour! Namechecked by Uni Watch!!

    Having already been mentioned in TMQ, I guess I have to go for The Sports Guy now, for the ESPN triumvirate.

  • Burrill | January 12, 2007 at 9:01 am |

    [quote comment=”40786″]The illos are fascinating (I love any explanatory graphic like that highlighting the scientific features of, well, anything), but the best part of the day so far has been the fact that the beefy arms on the Dexter logo are the same beefy arms on Trogdor the Burninator.[/quote]

    Ron, I didn’t even notice that, and I love Trogdor. That’s hilarious.

    Great — now I’m probably going to laugh every time I shoot a Dexter event where that logo appears. The Dexter Burninators.

  • Pat | January 12, 2007 at 9:09 am |

    Whats up with Hannibal Lecter on the cover of that Hockey catalog.

    The cover of the Boston Globe today had an article about how the Patriots are going to try to stop LT. They showed a big picture of his nameplate and back of his head. There seemed to be an exclamation point after the ‘T’ in Tomlinson.’ I had trouble linking pictures from getty images, which is where I found them, but you can see it on a few of the pictures on this page, this page, and this page. But this is only on the dark blue uniform, possibly the same game so it could just be a wierd marking that somehow got there. Anybody know anything about this?

  • Pat | January 12, 2007 at 9:11 am |

    Alright, so those links didn’t work all that well. I know there is a few pictures of it from the Denver game, just read the caption below the thumbnails to make sure it’s the Denver game.

  • Jason | January 12, 2007 at 9:23 am |

    Despite my hatred for the cowboys, as a jew, I have to know where that Jewboys T-shirt came from. It’s awesome.

  • Ron | January 12, 2007 at 9:25 am |

    [quote comment=”40789″][quote comment=”40786″]The illos are fascinating (I love any explanatory graphic like that highlighting the scientific features of, well, anything), but the best part of the day so far has been the fact that the beefy arms on the Dexter logo are the same beefy arms on Trogdor the Burninator.[/quote]

    Ron, I didn’t even notice that, and I love Trogdor. That’s hilarious.

    Great — now I’m probably going to laugh every time I shoot a Dexter event where that logo appears. The Dexter Burninators.[/quote]

    Sorry, but given the fact it’s the same arm and they’re in a weird place just had my mental Strong Bad muttering, “Yeah, that looks good… sticking out of his neck there.”

  • Jay Palmer | January 12, 2007 at 9:33 am |

    For those of you who were reading yesterday…

    I HATE YOU ALL!!! :)

    I’m driving home from work and get on the highway. A truck moves over to let me on and as it passes by me I notice it’s one of the “Federal Express Express” trucks and all I can see is THAT DAMN ARROW between the “E” & the “X”. Aaaarrgghh…I can’t look at things the same way again. DAMN YOU PAUL LUKAS!!!

    and now back to our regularly scheduled show

  • Banker Bill | January 12, 2007 at 9:35 am |

    [quote comment=”40779″]Cooper has a long illustrious history of designing some of the greatest looking hockey helmets known to man.

    Behold the XL7. I’ve never been able to find a pic of these babies in action… wonder why?[/quote]

    I had a Cooper XL7 – other than the fact that it looked like a little Volkswagen on your head, it was actually pretty comfortable. The two black flaps on the sides flipped open to adjust the size – which was perfect for me because as a glasses wearing player, I had sport goggles that I couldn’t fit in some helmets comfortably.

  • Ian K | January 12, 2007 at 9:44 am |

    Looks like I’m going to be making brief early-February visits to San Francisco and Dallas (the latter of which will definitely see me wearing this).

    Well the latter will definitely see ME wearing this.

  • Paul Lukas | January 12, 2007 at 9:47 am |

    [quote comment=”40793″]Despite my hatred for the cowboys, as a jew, I have to know where that Jewboys T-shirt came from. It’s awesome.[/quote]

    I hate the Cowboys, too. That’s why I can’t wait to wear the shirt in Dallas — all the Cowboys fans will freak out.

    The shirt is made by No Mas, but it doesn’t seem to be available in their online store. Send a note to hammer@nomas-nyc.com and I’m sure they can hook you up.

  • Jeff | January 12, 2007 at 9:53 am |

    last night i watched the phoenix suns game and on the back of Amare Stoudemire’s jersey it looked like the logo above his name was off center and skewed. I don’t have a pic but anyone who can get a screen shot it was around the 7:48 mark in the 4th.

  • Sammy44 | January 12, 2007 at 9:57 am |

    I was looking at the helmets in the catalog that Lukas posted from 1937. I saw that the price of one of the helmets was $10.50 and knowing that this was still during what could be considered the depression years I wondered what the cost of the helmet would be in today’s dollars.

    According to this website it would be an astounding $142.80!!! That’s about the median for one of the latest high tech polymer, air bladder, titanium facemasked helmets today!!!

  • Dennis Prouse | January 12, 2007 at 9:59 am |

    Goalies are an interesting case study. My ten year old son is a goalie, and like many other goalies he doesn’t bother wearing the team socks underneath his pads. Rather, he just wears those long, “Under Armour” type compression pants. As a result, there is sometimes an inch of so of skin between the bottom of those and the top of his skates, although nothing quite like this!

  • Chris | January 12, 2007 at 10:00 am |

    [quote comment=”40779″]Cooper has a long illustrious history of designing some of the greatest looking hockey helmets known to man.

    Behold the XL7. I’ve never been able to find a pic of these babies in action… wonder why?[/quote]

    I was just thinking about the almight XL7 helemt a couple of days ago…..I had one…I think they were the “shizzle” back in the day but now I look back and they just look rediculous. As for pictures of them in action (besides me as a child), I think I may be able to locate so old Canadian junior hockey pictures…let me see what I can find….

  • dilbert719 | January 12, 2007 at 10:00 am |

    NHL going back to home whites? That’s the best news I’ve heard all day. And if it takes the new uniforms to make them do it…

    Well, I’m still pretty pissed off about that, but home whites will go a fair piece to assuage me.

  • Boris Shubinsky | January 12, 2007 at 10:02 am |

    I regularly play with no type of socks on my legs, unless I’m actually a game, and even then, I only use a pair of compression pants.

    As a goalie, how much of the time am I going to be spending on my rump with the back of my legs against the ice? The answer: If I’m a decent goalie, hopefully not much.

    The only reason I use compression pants during the actual games is because it gets cold during intermissions and I have a tendency to do more splits, therefore I’d like something to keep my muscles warm.

  • Teebz | January 12, 2007 at 10:07 am |

    [quote comment=”40806″]NHL going back to home whites? That’s the best news I’ve heard all day. And if it takes the new uniforms to make them do it…

    Well, I’m still pretty pissed off about that, but home whites will go a fair piece to assuage me.[/quote]

    Although my CCM/Reebok contact has not confirmed this as truth and fact, the reason they are going back to home whites is because the new jersey templates don’t allow for a third “alternate” jersey at this time. He had alluded to it, but did not come right out and say it.

  • Jason | January 12, 2007 at 10:09 am |

    Thanks for the No Mas link again. Will this be the day I actually buy the “Rated Rookie” shirt? Only time will tell.

  • chris | January 12, 2007 at 10:11 am |

    I hope this whole new hockey uni template follows the path of the new NBA basketball.

  • Dan | January 12, 2007 at 10:14 am |

    Paul…you’d be hating life in my office today. Two fridays ago, with the Terps and Navy in bowl games, our office (in Annapolis, MD) allowed people to wear Terps or Midshipmen jerseys, T’s & Sweatshirts to work….well, the Ravens play a big game tomorrow…and the place is COVERED in purple today! Ravens gear ALL OVER the place.

    There is one cool t-shirt that I’ve seen today. It’s purple. On the front it says, “NFL Championships: Baltimore-4, Indianapolis-0” And on the back, in purple & white, is UNITAS and the number 19.

    I understand that Cal Ripken will be going out as an honorary captain for the coin flip…wonder if they’re going to give him a purple #8 jersey.

  • Joe Hilseberg | January 12, 2007 at 10:21 am |

    [quote comment=”40810″]Thanks for the No Mas link again. Will this be the day I actually buy the “Rated Rookie” shirt? Only time will tell.[/quote]

    Do a google search of – “Rated Rookie” shirt – There are a bunch out there

  • todd krevanchi | January 12, 2007 at 10:25 am |

    [quote comment=”40799″]New Arrivals: Big day for the Uni Watch library yesterday, as two vintage catalogs showed up in the mail. First up is this 1930 beauty, which I won on eBay a few days ago. Aside from the super-cool football jerseys…[/quote]

    going from left to right across the page, jersey 1 really reminds me of the template used for the old los angeles dons jersey

    jersey 4 reminds me of the template used for the old franford yellow jackets jersey (sorry no pic of the retro m&n jersey)

    jersey 6 reminds me of the template used for the old green bay packers jersey

  • Tape | January 12, 2007 at 10:34 am |

    NHL home whites? YES. yes, yes, a thousand times yes.

  • wooster, oh | January 12, 2007 at 10:35 am |

    Logo creep for life:

  • wooster, oh | January 12, 2007 at 10:36 am |
  • baude | January 12, 2007 at 10:40 am |

    Lovin the goalie talk.

    Anyone able to find a pic of the cooper legends catcher of yore? I rememebr an old Great Skate catalog with it. Instead of a cheater bar it had another tiny pocket! Needles to say it was deemed illegal soon after its introduction.

  • The Ol Goaler | January 12, 2007 at 10:43 am |

    [quote comment=”40801″][quote comment=”40793″]Despite my hatred for the cowboys, as a jew, I have to know where that Jewboys T-shirt came from. It’s awesome.[/quote]

    I hate the Cowboys, too. That’s why I can’t wait to wear the shirt in Dallas — all the Cowboys fans will freak out.

    The shirt is made by No Mas, but it doesn’t seem to be available in their online store. Send a note to hammer@nomas-nyc.com and I’m sure they can hook you up.[/quote]

    For what it’s worth, some Texans may just think you’re wearing a tribute to the legendary band, “Kinky Friedman and the Texas Jewboys”… a group that played songs such as, “They Don’t Make Jews Like Jesus Anymore”! If the Jewboys were still active, they’d likely adopt that logo! (grin)

  • Anthony Verna | January 12, 2007 at 10:46 am |

    I like road whites in the NHL. (I’d like it better if my Flyers didn’t wear. . . BLACK . . . sheesh.)

  • Paulio | January 12, 2007 at 10:51 am |

    So I apparently am missing something. What does “Rated Rookie” refer to?

  • Matty L. | January 12, 2007 at 10:55 am |

    Tartans also had a uni place among Sobey’s employees, Sobey’s is a Canadian grocery chain headquartered in Nova Scotia (latin for ‘New Scotland’) and as a result the employees in the deli and bakery areas used to wear plain black caps with a tartan brim over top of their hairnets until as recent as a few years ago.

    Back to sports, I wonder what lovely justification the NHL is gonna use this time for the switch in home threads.

  • Joe Hilseberg | January 12, 2007 at 11:03 am |

    [quote comment=”40829″]So I apparently am missing something. What does “Rated Rookie” refer to?[/quote]

    Donruss baseball cards method of designating a card as a “rookie card”

    Very popular in the 80’s

  • Matty L. | January 12, 2007 at 11:04 am |

    I forgot to include this, from the late 70’s until 2002 there was a Junior team in Hamilton, Ontario called the Kilty B’s, whose logo was a bee, playing hockey while dressed very Scottishly, see here. I personally think it’s the hockey equivalent of the old Bucks logo in terms of awesomeness. However in 2002 the team moved up a division into Junior A and dropped the the B from the name and became the Hamilton Kilty’s for a season before changing the name to the much lamer Hamilton Red Wings the following season.

  • Boris Shubinsky | January 12, 2007 at 11:10 am |

    [quote comment=”40826″]Lovin the goalie talk.

    Anyone able to find a pic of the cooper legends catcher of yore? I rememebr an old Great Skate catalog with it. Instead of a cheater bar it had another tiny pocket! Needles to say it was deemed illegal soon after its introduction.[/quote]

    http://img.photobuck...

    There ya go.

  • Ed from Dallas | January 12, 2007 at 11:11 am |

    Am I the only one that things that the “laceless basketball” in the article looks pretty similar to the new (now defunct) NBA ball?

  • Shane | January 12, 2007 at 11:17 am |

    Erg. I hate the Bruins in white. =/

  • Kenny | January 12, 2007 at 11:25 am |

    Who knew, for example, that there were so many different leather helmets available in 1930 (note the built-in faceguard on model No. 70H)?

    BRING OUT THE GIMP!!!!

  • NickNH | January 12, 2007 at 11:35 am |

    [quote comment=”40838″]Erg. I hate the Bruins in white. =/[/quote]

    Speaking of the Bruins, are there any other NHL teams that use a contrasting sock color to their jersey?

    The Bruins have, for as long as I remember and as long as I’ve seen, worn yellow socks with the black jerseys. I was going through teams in my head, and every one I could think of matches the socks (Rangers have blue socks, Flyers have black socks, etc.)

    Any etams on any other level do this?

    I disagree a bit on this though, I like the home whites especially because it gives you a chance t see a few different colors on the ice for home games. I like the idea of the Flames wearing the reds (best current unis in hockey) in Boston.

  • Pat | January 12, 2007 at 11:44 am |

    [quote comment=”40836″]Am I the only one that things that the “laceless basketball” in the article looks pretty similar to the new (now defunct) NBA ball?[/quote]

    It’s just the fact that it is an old 4 panel ball. It’s missing one seam. While the new ball is a 2 panel ball. With the ball they use now the “ends” have two crossing seams that dissect the 8 panels. The “new” balls don’t have the crossing seams on the “ends” and just have the two interlocking panels. The really old balls have one seam that dissects the ends and goes all the way around the panels but do not exceed the end of the panel.

    Confusing language but the best way I could think of to describe it.

  • Ian K | January 12, 2007 at 11:44 am |

    [quote comment=”40832″][quote comment=”40829″]So I apparently am missing something. What does “Rated Rookie” refer to?[/quote]

    Donruss baseball cards method of designating a card as a “rookie card”

    Very popular in the 80’s[/quote]

    Example: Palmeiro

  • Jeff B | January 12, 2007 at 11:50 am |

    You know I have no idea why this never occurred to me, but I should go back and look at all my old baseball cards and check out the unis. Plus its a good excuse to be nostalgic and maybe find one of some value.

  • Kenny | January 12, 2007 at 12:00 pm |

    Hey Minna here you go

    This should be a top notch purchase for you

  • Natron | January 12, 2007 at 12:01 pm |
  • interlockingtc | January 12, 2007 at 12:13 pm |

    If it is true that the NHL is returning to white at home then all will be well in the world….at least for a few hours in arenas on game days.

  • Nick | January 12, 2007 at 12:15 pm |

    Sinclair Community College in Dayton, Ohio plays under the nickname of the Tartans. Fortunately they uniform colors are scarlet and gray and not the tartan pattern.

    The mascot reflects the school’s namesake David Sinclair and his Scottish heritage.

    A couple of years ago they introduced a lion as the mascot as seen on merchandise here, here,here and here.

    Also of note former heavyweight champ James “Buster” Douglas played for the Sinclair basketball team in the early 1980s.

  • Eric | January 12, 2007 at 12:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”40826″]Lovin the goalie talk.

    Anyone able to find a pic of the cooper legends catcher of yore? I rememebr an old Great Skate catalog with it. Instead of a cheater bar it had another tiny pocket! Needles to say it was deemed illegal soon after its introduction.[/quote]

    Great Skate catalogs were the bomb! Of course, growing up in the suburbs of Buffalo, I could actually go to the store, and bug mom and dad to buy me one of everything in the place. Also can’t forget about the madhouse tent sale they have every August.

    But I digress… It’s too bad the NHL is going back to home whites *next year*, as I would have much preferred to see the Sabres wear the traditional white uni’s instead of the blue ones. (And take the $%#%#$ numbers off the front of the traditional uni’s!!!!)

  • Brandon Davis | January 12, 2007 at 12:19 pm |

    Pettitte was also wearing a cap with a gray underbill for the photo op so either it’s an old hat or players will still be wearing them.

  • Greg Riffenburgh | January 12, 2007 at 12:23 pm |

    I hate to be Cpt. Obvious here, but nobody’s really mentioned much about the Scottish tartans. Jeff alluded to it in comment #7, but not much else.

    Each major ‘clan’ (or family) in Scotland has it’s own unique design. It’s used like shields or family crests are in other parts of Europe. So there’s a lot of history and tradition that goes along with the tartan.

    I’m not explaining it very well, but Wiki does a much better job of it.

    I have a friend, who is big on his Scottish roots, wear a Cameron tartan kilt for his wedding. They also used his family’s tartan extensively throughout the ceremony. It was fantastic!

    And just for pride’s sake, my Scottish heritage traces Buchanon on my father’s side and Macdonald on my mother’s.

  • Frank Mercogliano | January 12, 2007 at 12:23 pm |

    Idaho State is now wearing a memorial patch for former student-athlete, coach, and A.D. Dubby Holt…

    Holt led ISU to a pair of NCAA boxing titles as a coach (1953 and 1957), and he coached the 1956 U.S. Olympic Boxing Team. He is most known for coming up with the idea for Holt Arena (it was the ASISU Minidome), the first domed football stadium on a college campus, built for $2.8 million in 1970.

    Frank

  • jesse | January 12, 2007 at 12:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”40827″][quote comment=”40801″][quote comment=”40793″]Despite my hatred for the cowboys, as a jew, I have to know where that Jewboys T-shirt came from. It’s awesome.[/quote]

    I hate the Cowboys, too. That’s why I can’t wait to wear the shirt in Dallas — all the Cowboys fans will freak out.

    The shirt is made by No Mas, but it doesn’t seem to be available in their online store. Send a note to hammer@nomas-nyc.com and I’m sure they can hook you up.[/quote]

    For what it’s worth, some Texans may just think you’re wearing a tribute to the legendary band, “Kinky Friedman and the Texas Jewboys”… a group that played songs such as, “They Don’t Make Jews Like Jesus Anymore”! If the Jewboys were still active, they’d likely adopt that logo! (grin)[/quote]

    For what its worth, that reference may be sufficient to keep the rest of the texans from shooting you.

  • Ben | January 12, 2007 at 12:53 pm |

    So, after watching a number of both college and pro basketball and football games over the past few weks, I have a semi-logo related question in regards to the footballs/basketballs used.

    I know that the NFL uses Wilson’s “The Duke” Official Game Ball, and the NBA uses Spalding’s Official Game Ball.

    I also know that Wilson makes an “Official Game Ball for NCAA football, in fact they seem to make several different “Official game balls” for the NCAA, including one with black laces. But I’ve seen a number of games, almost always involving colleges that have unis made by what Paul thinks is Satan’s Incarnation On Earth, aka Nike, in which footballs made by Nike are used.

    College basketball is another story altogether as I’ve seen at least 1/2 dozen different brand names on basketballs used during games.

    My question is this: seeing as the NCAA just loves to have rules about stuff, and how they love to control things, why wouldn’t they mandate that only the Wilson Official NCAA Game Ball can be used in football games and also mandate an official basketball?

    I could give a fuck whose logo is on the damn thing, Nike, Hustler, Rawlings, Playboy, just be consistent.

  • C.N. | January 12, 2007 at 1:02 pm |

    …the NHL’s plan to go back to home whites next season.

    What is Uni Watch’s official position on this?

  • Ron | January 12, 2007 at 1:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”40872″]I could give a fuck whose logo is on the damn thing, Nike, Hustler, Rawlings, Playboy, just be consistent.[/quote]

    I would pay serouls money for a Hustler-branded football.

  • Ron | January 12, 2007 at 1:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”40875″][quote comment=”40872″]I could give a fuck whose logo is on the damn thing, Nike, Hustler, Rawlings, Playboy, just be consistent.[/quote]

    I would pay serouls money for a Hustler-branded football.[/quote]

    Serious, too. Damn illiteracy.

  • Greg | January 12, 2007 at 1:04 pm |

    For what it’s worth (from yesterday’s discussion), I “fixed” the Sharks logo so the tape on the stick goes all around the blade, but not sure where to post the pic so I can link it.
    Initially I didn’t think it would look better, but on second look I think it’s an improvement…

  • WVU Tom | January 12, 2007 at 1:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”40875″]

    I would pay serious money for a Hustler-branded football.[/quote]

    Because it is filled with silicon instead of air, it never deflates.

  • dchis | January 12, 2007 at 1:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”40861″]I hate to be Cpt. Obvious here, but nobody’s really mentioned much about the Scottish tartans. Jeff alluded to it in comment #7, but not much else.

    Each major ‘clan’ (or family) in Scotland has it’s own unique design. It’s used like shields or family crests are in other parts of Europe. So there’s a lot of history and tradition that goes along with the tartan.

    I’m not explaining it very well, but Wiki does a much better job of it.

    I have a friend, who is big on his Scottish roots, wear a Cameron tartan kilt for his wedding. They also used his family’s tartan extensively throughout the ceremony. It was fantastic!

    And just for pride’s sake, my Scottish heritage traces Buchanon on my father’s side and Macdonald on my mother’s.[/quote]

    Ok, been doing some research here at work to get through the day, which I can leave at 1 p.m., alright! Well anyway I thought that I would give some info about some tartans. My last name is Chisholm and we have quite a history. I’m still working through a few books as well as are others in my family. This Christmas my wife received a Chisholm scarf (and that is not my wife) from my grandparents. I grew up with many Chisholm ties to where when ties were appropriate. Here is also the different types of Chisholm plaid that you can have: Modern, Ancient Hunting, and Hunting. There are some more but don’t have the time to look them up now. Also, here are some pics of the family crest. I think it’s awsome, I love the boars head on the dagger and it is just a great overall design. There are some different translations for the words “FEROS FERIO” but the easiest and the translation I’ve heard the most is “The Fiercest of the Fierce.”

    Hope you all enjoy a little bit of my family stuff. I did. Also, for anyother Scots out there here is a pretty good website for stuff to get. Enjoy!

  • Kel | January 12, 2007 at 1:07 pm |

    Just for Paul:

    Tartan!

  • nico | January 12, 2007 at 1:36 pm |

    My team, Everton Viña del Mar, launched their new kit for this season. It used to look like this, this is the new kit. Additional views here, here, here, here and here. The most noticeable changes are the return of the darker shade of blue, and the yellow stripe wrapping around the shirt. No word on what color the numbers will be, we’re all hoping for white, as opposed to yellow. Also the stars representing the 3 championships won used to be above the badge, now appear below. Plus no more red logo creep!

  • WVU Tom | January 12, 2007 at 1:40 pm |

    While strolling through Amazon.com, I came accross this item from Maple Leaf Production ™, which I thought was kind of cool (and definately worth mentioning on this site). Turns out this same company has many other similar products available as well.

  • Steve | January 12, 2007 at 1:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”40885″]My team, Everton Viña del Mar, launched their new kit for this season. It used to look like this, this is the new kit. Additional views here, here, here, here and here. The most noticeable changes are the return of the darker shade of blue, and the yellow stripe wrapping around the shirt. No word on what color the numbers will be, we’re all hoping for white, as opposed to yellow. Also the stars representing the 3 championships won used to be above the badge, now appear below. Plus no more red logo creep![/quote]

    Brooks does soccer jerseys? I’m surprised by that. I only know them as a running company.

  • Bob | January 12, 2007 at 1:45 pm |

    Yeah, the NHL may be going to home whites next year. So what?

    Sure, they’ll be in white at home, but they’ll also be in spandex tamplated uniforms. The NHL will give home whites the nod, so that (1) people like us will be one small step closer to accepting the surely horrendous templates if we get home whites back and (2) as someone previously mentioned today, there will be no third jerseys next year – that is until Reebok invents another awful template that they can distribute as a third jersey. This whole thing is just awful. The NHL apparently doesn’t care one bit about their existing fan base; they’re looking to replace each current fan with at least two new ones, and no one seems to care (other than us and Barry Melrose).

    I can just see it now: the NHL switching back to the “old style unis” instead of the tight template designs on January 1, 2008 a la the NBA.

    Also, for you Canadians: does Don Cherry have a position on these new uni designs?

  • Joe Hilseberg | January 12, 2007 at 1:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”40886″]While strolling through Amazon.com, I came accross this item from Maple Leaf Production ™, which I thought was kind of cool (and definately worth mentioning on this site). Turns out this same company has many other similar products available as well.[/quote]

    You had to post that! It’s pretty good for the most part, but there are some flaws with the lettering. That’s what’s keeping me from buying it. I can’t hang it in my house knowing it’s wrong.

  • Dane | January 12, 2007 at 1:53 pm |

    Follow up from yesterday’s comments: The commemorative patches that the Brewers and Mariners will wear in 2007 – don’t they look very similar? Same basic layout, very similar fonts in the outside circle. We bash apparel companies for making every uniform from a template – this falls in the same category for me.

    Here’s the links again:
    http://mlb.imageg.ne...
    http://s147.photobuc...

  • Chad | January 12, 2007 at 1:54 pm |

    Nike has shown up in a thing on CNN about the 100 Best Employers List. Here is a disturbing example of company devotion/logo creep.

    http://money.cnn.com...

  • nico | January 12, 2007 at 2:00 pm |

    They do here in Chile, the company that has the licence supplys the national teams of soccer and rugby.

  • Matthew S. | January 12, 2007 at 2:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”40894″]Follow up from yesterday’s comments: The commemorative patches that the Brewers and Mariners will wear in 2007 – don’t they look very similar? Same basic layout, very similar fonts in the outside circle. We bash apparel companies for making every uniform from a template – this falls in the same category for me.

    Here’s the links again:
    http://mlb.imageg.ne...
    http://s147.photobuc...

    I’m sorry, but other than both patches being circular, I’m not seeing a similarity. Now if they both had city skylines, I think you would have something.

  • WVU Tom | January 12, 2007 at 2:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”40892″][quote comment=”40886″]While strolling through Amazon.com, I came accross this item from Maple Leaf Production ™, which I thought was kind of cool (and definately worth mentioning on this site). Turns out this same company has many other similar products available as well.[/quote]

    You had to post that! It’s pretty good for the most part, but there are some flaws with the lettering. That’s what’s keeping me from buying it. I can’t hang it in my house knowing it’s wrong.[/quote]

    Well, in that case I guess it isn’t that cool (I can’t really tell from the small image generated on the Amazon site). I was looking at some O’s merch and saw it–could help but link up to it here at uniwatch.

    Oh well, time to forget the O’s for now, gotta go home and lay out all my purple gear for torrmorrow’s game, where I’ll be watching from M&T Bank Stadium!

  • Judd | January 12, 2007 at 2:08 pm |

    Are these guys identical twins or what?

  • Joe Hilseberg | January 12, 2007 at 2:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”40900″][quote comment=”40892″][quote comment=”40886″]While strolling through Amazon.com, I came accross this item from Maple Leaf Production ™, which I thought was kind of cool (and definately worth mentioning on this site). Turns out this same company has many other similar products available as well.[/quote]

    You had to post that! It’s pretty good for the most part, but there are some flaws with the lettering. That’s what’s keeping me from buying it. I can’t hang it in my house knowing it’s wrong.[/quote]

    Well, in that case I guess it isn’t that cool (I can’t really tell from the small image generated on the Amazon site). I was looking at some O’s merch and saw it–could help but link up to it here at uniwatch.

    Oh well, time to forget the O’s for now, gotta go home and lay out all my purple gear for torrmorrow’s game, where I’ll be watching from M&T Bank Stadium![/quote]

    I’m already in my purple! Wore my jersey to work today. I’d say of the 300 people that work here, 200 are in purple. It’s Paul’s nightmare!

  • WVU Tom | January 12, 2007 at 2:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”40904″][quote comment=”40900″][quote comment=”40892″][quote comment=”40886″]While strolling through Amazon.com, I came accross this item from Maple Leaf Production ™, which I thought was kind of cool (and definately worth mentioning on this site). Turns out this same company has many other similar products available as well.[/quote]

    You had to post that! It’s pretty good for the most part, but there are some flaws with the lettering. That’s what’s keeping me from buying it. I can’t hang it in my house knowing it’s wrong.[/quote]

    Well, in that case I guess it isn’t that cool (I can’t really tell from the small image generated on the Amazon site). I was looking at some O’s merch and saw it–could help but link up to it here at uniwatch.

    Oh well, time to forget the O’s for now, gotta go home and lay out all my purple gear for torrmorrow’s game, where I’ll be watching from M&T Bank Stadium![/quote]

    I’m already in my purple! Wore my jersey to work today. I’d say of the 300 people that work here, 200 are in purple. It’s Paul’s nightmare![/quote]

    Dress code at my job won’t allow the jersey (and I’m in DC, so not that much local enthusiasm down here), but I’ve got a purple tee under my usual dress shirt.

  • Minna H. | January 12, 2007 at 2:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”40789″][quote comment=”40786″]The illos are fascinating (I love any explanatory graphic like that highlighting the scientific features of, well, anything), but the best part of the day so far has been the fact that the beefy arms on the Dexter logo are the same beefy arms on Trogdor the Burninator.[/quote]

    Ron, I didn’t even notice that, and I love Trogdor. That’s hilarious.

    Great — now I’m probably going to laugh every time I shoot a Dexter event where that logo appears. The Dexter Burninators.[/quote]

    Thumbs up for the Dexter Burninators! Burrill, that is one scary logo. It DOES look like it’s sinking, and the arms….not to mention the smirk on its face. Now, it only needs to be breathing flames and the comparison will be even closer.

  • Anthony Verna | January 12, 2007 at 2:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”40902″]Are these guys identical twins or what?[/quote]

    Those two are far apart as can be in their personalities.

  • Jeff | January 12, 2007 at 2:16 pm |

    The best example i could find of the crooked logo on Amares jersey. It’s from a month ago and doesn’t look as bad as the one last night.

  • Paul Lukas | January 12, 2007 at 2:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”40874″]…the NHL’s plan to go back to home whites next season.

    What is Uni Watch’s official position on this?[/quote]

    I prefer home whites, because it’s what I (and everyone else under 50 years old) grew up with, even though I know home colors were the format for decades before that.

  • Chris | January 12, 2007 at 2:24 pm |

    I propose my family, the Howell/Powell tartan, as the official tartan of UniWatch. http://welshtartans....

  • Kerry | January 12, 2007 at 2:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”40894″]Follow up from yesterday’s comments: The commemorative patches that the Brewers and Mariners will wear in 2007 – don’t they look very similar? Same basic layout, very similar fonts in the outside circle. We bash apparel companies for making every uniform from a template – this falls in the same category for me.

    Here’s the links again:
    http://mlb.imageg.ne...
    http://s147.photobuc...
    Ummm…I don’t really see it. I mean, yeah they’re both round…but that’s pretty much it.

  • Larry C | January 12, 2007 at 2:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”40907″][quote comment=”40902″]Are these guys identical twins or what?[/quote]

    Those two are far apart as can be in their personalities.[/quote]
    My girlfriend has a theory that they coordinated on outfits on purpose, just for fun. I suggested that Mike Holmgren and Andy Reid — though not buddies, I don’t think — should try the same thing if the Seahawks & Eagles meet.

  • Chris | January 12, 2007 at 2:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”40915″]I propose my family, the Howell/Powell tartan, as the official tartan of UniWatch. http://welshtartans....

    The green, gold and maroon go perfectly. How about mousepad with the UniWatch logo over the plaid. Classic.

  • Patrick Gaughan | January 12, 2007 at 2:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”40787″]Wow, what an honour! Namechecked by Uni Watch!!

    Having already been mentioned in TMQ, I guess I have to go for The Sports Guy now, for the ESPN triumvirate.[/quote]

    Michael,
    I too am hoping for the ESPN Trinity one day, I need me some TMQ.

    Sports Guy (have to be an insider)
    Uni Watch (Nov 27)

  • Michael Kramer | January 12, 2007 at 2:31 pm |

    Speaking of plaid boxing trunks, “Rowdy” Roddy Piper, who wore his trademark kilt prior to his wrestling matches, wore a pair of plaid trunks in his boxing match with Mr. T at WrestleMania 2 (another, grainier view here).

    Too bad Buchanan’s look wasn’t immortalized in the form of an action figure.

  • Banker Bill | January 12, 2007 at 2:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”40874″]…the NHL’s plan to go back to home whites next season.

    What is Uni Watch’s official position on this?[/quote]

    Do you mean Paul’s or the Uni Watch community? As a hockey nut, it doesn’t bother me either way – the dark jerseys at home were to enable home teams to bust out alternates every now and then – the new jersey template isn’t condusive to alternates, so color doesn’t matter – it’s all the same logo now.

  • Philly Bill | January 12, 2007 at 2:35 pm |

    Reid and Holmgren coached together in Green Bay and, I think, San Fran as well. Dungy and Edwards coached together in Tampa.

    Paul, I’d love to catch up with you if you make it to Dallas. (They surely don’t call me “Philly Bill” back in Philly.) And I think the t-shirt will go over well here, actually, if only because people will think it has something to do with Kinky Friedman.

  • Metsfan AZ | January 12, 2007 at 2:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”40922″]Speaking of plaid boxing trunks, “Rowdy” Roddy Piper, who wore his trademark kilt prior to his wrestling matches, wore a pair of plaid trunks in his boxing match with Mr. T at WrestleMania 2 (another, grainier view here).

    Too bad Buchanan’s look wasn’t immortalized in the form of an action figure.[/quote]
    Those don’t all look the same, could be the pics but some look blue and red, some green and red. I don’t know what clan he was supposed to be from or even his real name. I didn’t see a Piper on the Scotland shop link someone posted.

  • Vince Grzegorek | January 12, 2007 at 2:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”40888″][quote comment=”40885″]My team, Everton Viña del Mar, launched their new kit for this season. It used to look like this, this is the new kit. Additional views here, here, here, here and here. The most noticeable changes are the return of the darker shade of blue, and the yellow stripe wrapping around the shirt. No word on what color the numbers will be, we’re all hoping for white, as opposed to yellow. Also the stars representing the 3 championships won used to be above the badge, now appear below. Plus no more red logo creep![/quote]

    I have to ask, can we name Everton Vina del Mar as the official soccer club of Rap from 2000-2005 thanks to the “Cristal”? To bad these jerseys weren’t around for the heyday of MTV Cribs.

  • Matthew S. | January 12, 2007 at 2:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”40924″]Reid and Holmgren coached together in Green Bay and, I think, San Fran as well. Dungy and Edwards coached together in Tampa.

    Paul, I’d love to catch up with you if you make it to Dallas. (They surely don’t call me “Philly Bill” back in Philly.) And I think the t-shirt will go over well here, actually, if only because people will think it has something to do with Kinky Friedman.[/quote]

    I think several Texans will think of some sort of Kinky Friedman connection immediately since he did just spend the better part of 2006 in the news due to his running for Governor. His campaign produced action figures and you couldn’t go to any college campus (especially in Austin) without seeing a red and white “Why the hell not?” Kinky for Governor bumper sticker.

    While you’re in Dallas, maybe I recommend for your drinking pleasure the Gingerman pub on Boll Street, just off McKinney Avenue.

    http://dallas.ginger...

  • Dan | January 12, 2007 at 2:50 pm |

    What’s the deal with the virgin wool “footless” basketball stirrups? (See “Super-dorky hoops jerseys”, B3, bottom right of page)

  • Joe Hilseberg | January 12, 2007 at 2:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”40915″]I propose my family, the Howell/Powell tartan, as the official tartan of UniWatch. http://welshtartans....

    I propose the Stirrup Tartan as the Official UniWatch one!

  • Banker Bill | January 12, 2007 at 2:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”40926″][quote comment=”40922″]Speaking of plaid boxing trunks, “Rowdy” Roddy Piper, who wore his trademark kilt prior to his wrestling matches, wore a pair of plaid trunks in his boxing match with Mr. T at WrestleMania 2 (another, grainier view here).

    Too bad Buchanan’s look wasn’t immortalized in the form of an action figure.[/quote]
    Those don’t all look the same, could be the pics but some look blue and red, some green and red. I don’t know what clan he was supposed to be from or even his real name. I didn’t see a Piper on the Scotland shop link someone posted.[/quote]

    Not only am I a hockey nut – but a wrestling nut as well. Roddy Piper is actually Roderick Toombs – and although they tout him being from Scotland – he does play bagpipes – I believe that he has spent most of his life in Canada and Portland.

    Just a little note for you…95% of wrestlers do not use their real name.

  • Mike | January 12, 2007 at 3:04 pm |

    I used to play with a guy would wore no socks/pants/anything under his pads, thus having a “naked” back of the leg. Its not something you see every day though.

    And as for the NHL going back to home whites… awesome. I’m still confused every time I tune into a game in progress, and I watch a lot of hockey. Its just not something I’ve been able to adjust too. That being said, I can’t see them abandoning the third jersey. One reason being I beleive they sell a lot of them, and one of the reasons they gave for the switch was that most thirds are dark, and it prevented teams from having to bring both sets of sweaters on road trips (although the Leafs, and maybe some others I’m forgetting are white). Of course, they just made that “problem” up to cover up the fact that the dark sweaters weren’t selling well.

  • nico | January 12, 2007 at 3:07 pm |

    I have to ask, can we name Everton Vina del Mar as the official soccer club of Rap from 2000-2005 thanks to the “Cristal”? To bad these jerseys weren’t around for the heyday of MTV Cribs.

    It’s not *that* Cristal, it’s just plain old beer…

    (Cerveza Cristal)

  • Philly Bill | January 12, 2007 at 3:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”40931″]While you’re in Dallas, maybe I recommend for your drinking pleasure the Gingerman pub on Boll Street, just off McKinney Avenue.

    http://dallas.ginger...

    Funny, I was thinking of the Gingerman myself — good place for a medium-sized gathering because it’s never super-crowded and noisy despite its Uptown locale. Plus they have like 100 draft beers. Best beer bar in town, hands down. (Dallas is a generally terrible town for beer connoisseurs, much unlike my hometown.)

  • Brooks | January 12, 2007 at 3:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”40934″][quote comment=”40926″][quote comment=”40922″]Speaking of plaid boxing trunks, “Rowdy” Roddy Piper, who wore his trademark kilt prior to his wrestling matches, wore a pair of plaid trunks in his boxing match with Mr. T at WrestleMania 2 (another, grainier view here).

    Too bad Buchanan’s look wasn’t immortalized in the form of an action figure.[/quote]
    Those don’t all look the same, could be the pics but some look blue and red, some green and red. I don’t know what clan he was supposed to be from or even his real name. I didn’t see a Piper on the Scotland shop link someone posted.[/quote]

    Not only am I a hockey nut – but a wrestling nut as well. Roddy Piper is actually Roderick Toombs – and although they tout him being from Scotland – he does play bagpipes – I believe that he has spent most of his life in Canada and Portland.

    Just a little note for you…95% of wrestlers do not use their real name.[/quote]

    Bill are you telling me that Razor Ramon, Animal, Hulk Hogan, Sabu, Tazz, The Ultimate Warrior and Big Boss Man may not have been using their real names. I am going to go home and question everything I learned as a kid. My whole world is in shambles right now.

  • Banker Bill | January 12, 2007 at 3:20 pm |

    Brett Hull dissing the unis on NHL.com (here)

    On the new sweater designs popping up around the league, Hull said: “I think the sweaters are completely ugly and I don’t think they should be allowed. You look at every fan and what do they love? They love the Rangers, they love the Red Wings. They love the Blackhawk. Classy, beautiful, you know, I’m no fashion expert, but I know Buffalo’s are horrible. … the logos, they need to be cleaned up, but other than that I guess I don’t really have an opinion.”

    * On the new streamlined jerseys debuting at the All Star Game: “That’s one of the reasons I quit is because I knew they were coming in.”

  • Philly Bill | January 12, 2007 at 3:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”40941″]Brett Hull dissing the unis on NHL.com (here)

    On the new sweater designs popping up around the league, Hull said: “I think the sweaters are completely ugly and I don’t think they should be allowed. You look at every fan and what do they love? They love the Rangers, they love the Red Wings. They love the Blackhawk. Classy, beautiful, you know, I’m no fashion expert, but I know Buffalo’s are horrible. … the logos, they need to be cleaned up, but other than that I guess I don’t really have an opinion.”

    * On the new streamlined jerseys debuting at the All Star Game: “That’s one of the reasons I quit is because I knew they were coming in.”[/quote]

    Brett Hull is becoming like Don Cherry, except he’s roundly hated in Canada.

  • Michael Churchill | January 12, 2007 at 3:23 pm |

    On the subject of tartan: The sadly now departed Scottish Claymores of NFL Europe commissioned their own tartan.

  • todd krevanchi | January 12, 2007 at 3:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”40902″]Are these guys identical twins or what?[/quote]

    “you play to win the game! hello?”
    http://youtube.com/w...

    [quote comment=”40915″]I propose my family, the Howell/Powell tartan, as the official tartan of UniWatch. http://welshtartans....

    wow! is that ever accurate! you cant get much closer…

  • Minna H. | January 12, 2007 at 3:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”40849″]Hey Minna here you go

    This should be a top notch purchase for you[/quote]

    Kenny, for that price, they would need to include his biceps and the OLD ref unis! I could probably make it myself for much less.

    Why is it that black t-shirts cost so much more than white ones?

  • Banker Bill | January 12, 2007 at 3:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”40940″][quote comment=”40934″][quote comment=”40926″][quote comment=”40922″]Speaking of plaid boxing trunks, “Rowdy” Roddy Piper, who wore his trademark kilt prior to his wrestling matches, wore a pair of plaid trunks in his boxing match with Mr. T at WrestleMania 2 (another, grainier view here).

    Too bad Buchanan’s look wasn’t immortalized in the form of an action figure.[/quote]
    Those don’t all look the same, could be the pics but some look blue and red, some green and red. I don’t know what clan he was supposed to be from or even his real name. I didn’t see a Piper on the Scotland shop link someone posted.[/quote]

    Not only am I a hockey nut – but a wrestling nut as well. Roddy Piper is actually Roderick Toombs – and although they tout him being from Scotland – he does play bagpipes – I believe that he has spent most of his life in Canada and Portland.

    Just a little note for you…95% of wrestlers do not use their real name.[/quote]

    Bill are you telling me that Razor Ramon, Animal, Hulk Hogan, Sabu, Tazz, The Ultimate Warrior and Big Boss Man may not have been using their real names. I am going to go home and question everything I learned as a kid. My whole world is in shambles right now.[/quote]

    Brooks, scary as it is The Ultimate Warrior has LEGALLY CHANGED HIS NAME to “Warrior”.

    See what steroids do to your brain, kids?
    The others in order are Scott Hall, Joe Laurinaitis (whose son is the Lauriniaits kid from Ohio State), Terry Bollea, Terry Brunk, Pete Senerchia, Jim Hellweg (legally changed to Warrior)and Ray Traylor.

  • Banker Bill | January 12, 2007 at 3:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”40942″][quote comment=”40941″]Brett Hull dissing the unis on NHL.com (here)

    On the new sweater designs popping up around the league, Hull said: “I think the sweaters are completely ugly and I don’t think they should be allowed. You look at every fan and what do they love? They love the Rangers, they love the Red Wings. They love the Blackhawk. Classy, beautiful, you know, I’m no fashion expert, but I know Buffalo’s are horrible. … the logos, they need to be cleaned up, but other than that I guess I don’t really have an opinion.”

    * On the new streamlined jerseys debuting at the All Star Game: “That’s one of the reasons I quit is because I knew they were coming in.”[/quote]

    Brett Hull is becoming like Don Cherry, except he’s roundly hated in Canada.[/quote]

    Maybe because he became a US citizen to play for USA in the Olympics? I like the fact that he speaks his mind – and there will NEVER be another Don Cherry – LONG LIVE GRAPES!!

  • dilbert719 | January 12, 2007 at 3:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”40918″][quote comment=”40907″][quote comment=”40902″]Are these guys identical twins or what?[/quote]

    Those two are far apart as can be in their personalities.[/quote]
    My girlfriend has a theory that they coordinated on outfits on purpose, just for fun. I suggested that Mike Holmgren and Andy Reid — though not buddies, I don’t think — should try the same thing if the Seahawks & Eagles meet.[/quote]

    Philly Bill’s right. Reid was QB Coach under Holmgren with the Packers until the Eagles hired him away. I’ve no idea if they remain close, but I wouldn’t be surprised in the least.

    And Reid and Holmgren dressing alike would probably be enough to cause widespread panic amongst the masses. We should try to avoid that one.

  • todd krevanchi | January 12, 2007 at 3:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”40940″]Bill are you telling me that Razor Ramon, Animal, Hulk Hogan, Sabu, Tazz, The Ultimate Warrior and Big Boss Man may not have been using their real names. I am going to go home and question everything I learned as a kid. My whole world is in shambles right now.[/quote]

    what is interesting is that now, wrestlers are more apt to using their real names (many of whom had a college wrestling following). i guess when rapper mike jones blew up using his real name, wrestlers followed suit. oh, and at least tell me that even if his real name ISNT “the big boss man”, that he is STILL from COBB COUNTY GEORGIA!!!

  • Natron | January 12, 2007 at 3:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”40934″][quote comment=”40926″][quote comment=”40922″]Speaking of plaid boxing trunks, “Rowdy” Roddy Piper, who wore his trademark kilt prior to his wrestling matches, wore a pair of plaid trunks in his boxing match with Mr. T at WrestleMania 2 (another, grainier view here).

    Too bad Buchanan’s look wasn’t immortalized in the form of an action figure.[/quote]
    Those don’t all look the same, could be the pics but some look blue and red, some green and red. I don’t know what clan he was supposed to be from or even his real name. I didn’t see a Piper on the Scotland shop link someone posted.[/quote]

    Not only am I a hockey nut – but a wrestling nut as well. Roddy Piper is actually Roderick Toombs – and although they tout him being from Scotland – he does play bagpipes – I believe that he has spent most of his life in Canada and Portland.

    Just a little note for you…95% of wrestlers do not use their real name.[/quote]

    Wait a minute…

    Are your trying to say that Dr. I. Yankem, D.D.S. is not a real name?!

    You have to warn me before you start spreading news like that! ;-)

  • Richard | January 12, 2007 at 3:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”40940″][quote comment=”40934″][quote comment=”40926″][quote comment=”40922″]Speaking of plaid boxing trunks, “Rowdy” Roddy Piper, who wore his trademark kilt prior to his wrestling matches, wore a pair of plaid trunks in his boxing match with Mr. T at WrestleMania 2 (another, grainier view here).

    Too bad Buchanan’s look wasn’t immortalized in the form of an action figure.[/quote]
    Those don’t all look the same, could be the pics but some look blue and red, some green and red. I don’t know what clan he was supposed to be from or even his real name. I didn’t see a Piper on the Scotland shop link someone posted.[/quote]

    Not only am I a hockey nut – but a wrestling nut as well. Roddy Piper is actually Roderick Toombs – and although they tout him being from Scotland – he does play bagpipes – I believe that he has spent most of his life in Canada and Portland.

    Just a little note for you…95% of wrestlers do not use their real name.[/quote]

    Bill are you telling me that Razor Ramon, Animal, Hulk Hogan, Sabu, Tazz, The Ultimate Warrior and Big Boss Man may not have been using their real names. I am going to go home and question everything I learned as a kid. My whole world is in shambles right now.[/quote]

    Take it out of shambles. The Ultimate Warrior has actually legally changed his name to Warrior.

  • Matthew S. | January 12, 2007 at 3:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”40939″][quote comment=”40931″]While you’re in Dallas, maybe I recommend for your drinking pleasure the Gingerman pub on Boll Street, just off McKinney Avenue.

    http://dallas.ginger...

    Funny, I was thinking of the Gingerman myself — good place for a medium-sized gathering because it’s never super-crowded and noisy despite its Uptown locale. Plus they have like 100 draft beers. Best beer bar in town, hands down. (Dallas is a generally terrible town for beer connoisseurs, much unlike my hometown.)[/quote]

    Well it can get crowded if it’s raining and/or extremely cold outside, because everyone just packs into the bar and it becomes standing room only. That doesn’t happen very often though.

    Gingerman is, for me anyway, the happiest place on earth. It’s my Disney Land. I would live there if they let me. Just a great place to drink some good beer, throw some darts, and smoke a cigar (they have an ok cigar selection too). And with Trinity Hall in Mockingbird Station and Flying Saucer up in Addison, Dallas is becoming more of a beer town.

  • Natron | January 12, 2007 at 3:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”40954″][quote comment=”40940″][quote comment=”40934″][quote comment=”40926″][quote comment=”40922″]Speaking of plaid boxing trunks, “Rowdy” Roddy Piper, who wore his trademark kilt prior to his wrestling matches, wore a pair of plaid trunks in his boxing match with Mr. T at WrestleMania 2 (another, grainier view here).

    Too bad Buchanan’s look wasn’t immortalized in the form of an action figure.[/quote]
    Those don’t all look the same, could be the pics but some look blue and red, some green and red. I don’t know what clan he was supposed to be from or even his real name. I didn’t see a Piper on the Scotland shop link someone posted.[/quote]

    Not only am I a hockey nut – but a wrestling nut as well. Roddy Piper is actually Roderick Toombs – and although they tout him being from Scotland – he does play bagpipes – I believe that he has spent most of his life in Canada and Portland.

    Just a little note for you…95% of wrestlers do not use their real name.[/quote]

    Bill are you telling me that Razor Ramon, Animal, Hulk Hogan, Sabu, Tazz, The Ultimate Warrior and Big Boss Man may not have been using their real names. I am going to go home and question everything I learned as a kid. My whole world is in shambles right now.[/quote]

    Take it out of shambles. The Ultimate Warrior has actually legally changed his name to Warrior.[/quote]

    Wow. I didn’t know he had done that. It’s the craziest “celebrity” name change I’ve seen since Bubba The Love Sponge Clem.

  • Ian K | January 12, 2007 at 3:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”40955″][quote comment=”40939″][quote comment=”40931″]While you’re in Dallas, maybe I recommend for your drinking pleasure the Gingerman pub on Boll Street, just off McKinney Avenue.

    http://dallas.ginger...

    Funny, I was thinking of the Gingerman myself — good place for a medium-sized gathering because it’s never super-crowded and noisy despite its Uptown locale. Plus they have like 100 draft beers. Best beer bar in town, hands down. (Dallas is a generally terrible town for beer connoisseurs, much unlike my hometown.)[/quote]

    Well it can get crowded if it’s raining and/or extremely cold outside, because everyone just packs into the bar and it becomes standing room only. That doesn’t happen very often though.

    Gingerman is, for me anyway, the happiest place on earth. It’s my Disney Land. I would live there if they let me. Just a great place to drink some good beer, throw some darts, and smoke a cigar (they have an ok cigar selection too). And with Trinity Hall in Mockingbird Station and Flying Saucer up in Addison, Dallas is becoming more of a beer town.[/quote]

    A new Gingerman location just opened in Fort Worth. I was planning on checking it out tonight, but with all this beer talk I may have to I may have to cut work early and head there now!

    Last sports bar I visited in Dallas was Ben’s Half Yard House. It wasn’t bad…

  • Philly Bill | January 12, 2007 at 3:52 pm |

    The Dingo/Ultimate/Plain-Ol’ Warrior and Bubba Clem must still stand in awe of the original, Mr. World B. Free — formerly Lloyd Free, aka The Prince of Mid-Air.

    He’s been known for long enough that people have forgotten how outlandish and hilarious that name change is, I think.

  • todd krevanchi | January 12, 2007 at 3:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”40953″]

    Are your trying to say that Dr. I. Yankem, D.D.S. is not a real name?!
    [/quote]

    ahh, kane in his early days…

  • JimmyMac | January 12, 2007 at 3:59 pm |

    I have a .jpeg of “Doctor” Andrew Lotshaw, who was the Cubs’ trainer through the 20’s and 30’s and who had a collared jersey that said TRAINER in an arched font (very similar to the White Sox 70’s jersey style) that is very cool…but it’s a .jpeg so not sure how I can send for viewing…

    Any suggestions?

  • Natron | January 12, 2007 at 4:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”40959″][quote comment=”40953″]

    Are your trying to say that Dr. I. Yankem, D.D.S. is not a real name?!
    [/quote]

    ahh, kane in his early days…[/quote]

    The only gimmick that ever beat Dr. Isaac Yankem was The Christmas Creature.

    But for the Uniwatchers sick of the wrestling talk… check out the candy cane stripes in that pic!

  • Banker Bill | January 12, 2007 at 4:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”40952″][quote comment=”40940″]Bill are you telling me that Razor Ramon, Animal, Hulk Hogan, Sabu, Tazz, The Ultimate Warrior and Big Boss Man may not have been using their real names. I am going to go home and question everything I learned as a kid. My whole world is in shambles right now.[/quote]

    what is interesting is that now, wrestlers are more apt to using their real names (many of whom had a college wrestling following). i guess when rapper mike jones blew up using his real name, wrestlers followed suit. oh, and at least tell me that even if his real name ISNT “the big boss man”, that he is STILL from COBB COUNTY GEORGIA!!![/quote]

    He is – he’s also dead. Died in 2004.

  • Natron | January 12, 2007 at 4:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”40960″]I have a .jpeg of “Doctor” Andrew Lotshaw, who was the Cubs’ trainer through the 20’s and 30’s and who had a collared jersey that said TRAINER in an arched font (very similar to the White Sox 70’s jersey style) that is very cool…but it’s a .jpeg so not sure how I can send for viewing…

    Any suggestions?[/quote]

    Try posting it on Flickr or PhotoBucket, and linking the URL that way.

    I’d be curious to see that.

  • Banker Bill | January 12, 2007 at 4:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”40961″][quote comment=”40959″][quote comment=”40953″]

    Are your trying to say that Dr. I. Yankem, D.D.S. is not a real name?!
    [/quote]

    ahh, kane in his early days…[/quote]

    The only gimmick that ever beat Dr. Isaac Yankem was The Christmas Creature.

    But for the Uniwatchers sick of the wrestling talk… check out the candy cane stripes in that pic![/quote]

    Can one consider wrestling attire to be a “uniform”? I mean, between ring robes and masks, there are enough things to talk about.

    Issac Yankem, DDS….good God. I used to go to shows in Poughkeepsie NY at the Mid Hudson Civic Center, where I worked in the ice rink attached to the concert hall. That’s how you become a wrestling nut.

    Kane – Glen Jacobs. Degree in education – originally an elementary school teacher. Go figure.

  • Natron | January 12, 2007 at 4:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”40961″][quote comment=”40959″][quote comment=”40953″]

    Are your trying to say that Dr. I. Yankem, D.D.S. is not a real name?!
    [/quote]

    ahh, kane in his early days…[/quote]

    The only gimmick that ever beat Dr. Isaac Yankem was The Christmas Creature.

    But for the Uniwatchers sick of the wrestling talk… check out the candy cane stripes in that pic![/quote]

    Ugh, I’ve made a major faux pas… I should have said Uni Watchers… two words.

    Don’t ban me, Paul!

  • Matthew S. | January 12, 2007 at 4:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”40957″][quote comment=”40955″][quote comment=”40939″][quote comment=”40931″]While you’re in Dallas, maybe I recommend for your drinking pleasure the Gingerman pub on Boll Street, just off McKinney Avenue.

    http://dallas.ginger...

    Funny, I was thinking of the Gingerman myself — good place for a medium-sized gathering because it’s never super-crowded and noisy despite its Uptown locale. Plus they have like 100 draft beers. Best beer bar in town, hands down. (Dallas is a generally terrible town for beer connoisseurs, much unlike my hometown.)[/quote]

    Well it can get crowded if it’s raining and/or extremely cold outside, because everyone just packs into the bar and it becomes standing room only. That doesn’t happen very often though.

    Gingerman is, for me anyway, the happiest place on earth. It’s my Disney Land. I would live there if they let me. Just a great place to drink some good beer, throw some darts, and smoke a cigar (they have an ok cigar selection too). And with Trinity Hall in Mockingbird Station and Flying Saucer up in Addison, Dallas is becoming more of a beer town.[/quote]

    A new Gingerman location just opened in Fort Worth. I was planning on checking it out tonight, but with all this beer talk I may have to I may have to cut work early and head there now!

    Last sports bar I visited in Dallas was Ben’s Half Yard House. It wasn’t bad…[/quote]

    Next time you’re in Dallas Ian, you should try Frankie’s, Christie’s, or the MAT (McKinney Avenue Tavern). They’re all pretty decent sports bars and they’re all only separated by a few blocks on McKinney.

  • Peter H | January 12, 2007 at 4:14 pm |

    The catalogs are very cool. On the football jerseys there’s an option for friction cloth. Never saw that before. Any idea what it was? And now that I think of it shouldn’t offense want slippery and defense want friction in the modern game? The velcro uni?

  • Tako | January 12, 2007 at 4:21 pm |

    there’s a super bowl top 10 show repeat on espn right now, and they just showed a shot of the chiefs’ fred williamson with what looks like two different facemasks on one helmet. it looked like it was a two-bar mask and a one-bar stacked on top of each other. there were seperate bolts onto the helmet for both masks. i’m wondering if anyone has any info on this

  • jkrdevil | January 12, 2007 at 4:22 pm |

    Apparently the the rumor about the NHL switching back to white at home next year comes from hockeybuzz.com which is probably the least credible site out there for hockey rumors. Also it would make no sense for the NHL to switch when they would have to switch back to dark at home in a few years when 3rd uniforms are reintroduced.

    Needless to say the credibility of this rumor is in question.

  • Cannon | January 12, 2007 at 4:28 pm |

    I’m a goalie and I’ve gone sockless before in the net. Usually the only time I will is when we play at the big rink. Its a heated rink so down on the ice surface its quite hot and uncomfortable (for someone whos grown up with Northern Ontairo winters) and without the socks it makes it a little more bearable.

    One time I was too lazy to put on socks when I was gonna be a backup. After the game I heard everyone talking about “the goalie with the bear legs”

    For those who said it would rub against you legs … most goalies (me included) wear their straps so loose that they don’t actually rub against the back of the leg.

  • dan | January 12, 2007 at 4:31 pm |

    Just a note about the goalie for union college wearing cut off sweats….From my experience lots of goalies wear sweatpants under their pads…sometiems cutoffs…you usually dont see it at higher levels of hockey because they arfe not technically allowed as it violates team uniforms…but in junior a hockey that is rarely enforced and i have even seen a ohl goaltender wearing under armour shorts underneath with his legs viisble.

  • Ian K | January 12, 2007 at 4:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”40970″]
    Next time you’re in Dallas Ian, you should try Frankie’s, Christie’s, or the MAT (McKinney Avenue Tavern). They’re all pretty decent sports bars and they’re all only separated by a few blocks on McKinney.[/quote]

    Thanks for the tips. Now that you mention it, I have been to Christie’s. I watched the Texas-OU game there one year. Looks like Dallas and Fort Worth will be great locales for a Uni Watch gathering!

  • Ben | January 12, 2007 at 4:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”40896″]Nike has shown up in a thing on CNN about the 100 Best Employers List. Here is a disturbing example of company devotion/logo creep.

    http://money.cnn.com...

    Oh please.

    It’s no more disturbing then Asshat frat mooks who get their frat letters tatted on their bodies.

    Your post is yet more prrof of the Nazification of Nike on this board.

  • Natron | January 12, 2007 at 4:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”40975″]I’m a goalie and I’ve gone sockless before in the net. Usually the only time I will is when we play at the big rink. Its a heated rink so down on the ice surface its quite hot and uncomfortable (for someone whos grown up with Northern Ontairo winters) and without the socks it makes it a little more bearable.

    One time I was too lazy to put on socks when I was gonna be a backup. After the game I heard everyone talking about “the goalie with the bear legs”

    For those who said it would rub against you legs … most goalies (me included) wear their straps so loose that they don’t actually rub against the back of the leg.[/quote]

    Semi-related, but it’s a question maybe somebody out there can answer for me (I’m looking at you Canadians in particular)…

    In Minnesota, all youth hockey teams are required to wear blaze orange stop signs on the back of their jerseys in an attempt to deter opponents from checking from behind and boarding. Are there other youth programs that are required to do this, or is it unique to Minnesota?

  • tessa | January 12, 2007 at 4:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”40975″]I’m a goalie and I’ve gone sockless before in the net. Usually the only time I will is when we play at the big rink. Its a heated rink so down on the ice surface its quite hot and uncomfortable (for someone whos grown up with Northern Ontairo winters) and without the socks it makes it a little more bearable.

    One time I was too lazy to put on socks when I was gonna be a backup. After the game I heard everyone talking about “the goalie with the bear legs”

    For those who said it would rub against you legs … most goalies (me included) wear their straps so loose that they don’t actually rub against the back of the leg.[/quote]

    Do you leave the straps loose for a purpose? Does the looseness help the pads to meet the ice so nothing can go under them, or is it just a comfort issue?

  • Minna H. | January 12, 2007 at 4:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”40979″][quote comment=”40896″]Nike has shown up in a thing on CNN about the 100 Best Employers List. Here is a disturbing example of company devotion/logo creep.

    http://money.cnn.com...

    Oh please.

    It’s no more disturbing then Asshat frat mooks who get their frat letters tatted on their bodies.

    Your post is yet more prrof of the Nazification of Nike on this board.[/quote]

    Ben, well that is disturbing, too. I don’t think this was a jab at Nike per se, but at anyone who would tattoo an employer’s logo on his or her body. As many people have attempted to explain, it’s not Nike, but the gratuitous placing of logos. Nike happens to be one of the bigger culprits because they are a big company so there are more examples of them doing it than most other companies. I think you are choosing to see what you want to see as far as the villification of Nike on this board.

  • Teebz | January 12, 2007 at 4:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”40980″]
    In Minnesota, all youth hockey teams are required to wear blaze orange stop signs on the back of their jerseys in an attempt to deter opponents from checking from behind and boarding. Are there other youth programs that are required to do this, or is it unique to Minnesota?[/quote]

    It is used by all minor hockey associations in Canada who are associated with the Hockey Canada program, I believe.

  • Andrew | January 12, 2007 at 4:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”40782″]While shooting a Dexter hockey game last Saturday, I noted the logo they painted on the wall. Dexter’s teams are known as the Dreadnoughts, and they’ve long used cartoony ship logos, but this one caught my eye for two reasons:
    1)Does it look like it’s sinking?
    2)Note the placement of the (very muscular) arms.

    Also worth noting: the logo features the historical spelling (dreadnought); however, the Dexter teams now seem to be known as the Dreadnaughts (as demonstrated by the local paper).

    And, in what could be a lot of fun, they’ve also taken to calling themselves the Dreads. However, I have yet to see anyone use that nickname to its full potential.[/quote]

    I am from Dexter, and good catch on the misspelled “dreadnought”, I never go to hockey games, so I have never seen that. The official nickname is “Dreadnaught”, and the “Dreads” nickname is a little overused I think actually (probably from all of those freaking annoying cheers by the cheerleaders at the basketball and football games).

    We also pride ourselves on not knowing the origin of this “Dreadnaught” nickname and mascot, the local paper has tried many a time to find the origins, and never got a definitive answer- they vary. I find our logo to be verrrrrrry cartoonish, a simple well done regular ship would be better than that obtuse looking boat.

    Go Dreads vs. the Big Purp (Pioneer)

  • Matthew S. | January 12, 2007 at 5:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”40985″][quote comment=”40782″]While shooting a Dexter hockey game last Saturday, I noted the logo they painted on the wall. Dexter’s teams are known as the Dreadnoughts, and they’ve long used cartoony ship logos, but this one caught my eye for two reasons:
    1)Does it look like it’s sinking?
    2)Note the placement of the (very muscular) arms.

    Also worth noting: the logo features the historical spelling (dreadnought); however, the Dexter teams now seem to be known as the Dreadnaughts (as demonstrated by the local paper).

    And, in what could be a lot of fun, they’ve also taken to calling themselves the Dreads. However, I have yet to see anyone use that nickname to its full potential.[/quote]

    I am from Dexter, and good catch on the misspelled “dreadnought”, I never go to hockey games, so I have never seen that. The official nickname is “Dreadnaught”, and the “Dreads” nickname is a little overused I think actually (probably from all of those freaking annoying cheers by the cheerleaders at the basketball and football games).

    We also pride ourselves on not knowing the origin of this “Dreadnaught” nickname and mascot, the local paper has tried many a time to find the origins, and never got a definitive answer- they vary. I find our logo to be verrrrrrry cartoonish, a simple well done regular ship would be better than that obtuse looking boat.

    Go Dreads vs. the Big Purp (Pioneer)[/quote]

    I can tell you that the name Dreadnought comes from a type of warship. Dreadnoughts were a kind of super battleship that early 20th century naval powers built in abundance (especially Britain and Germany…the naval race between the two was one of the factors that led to World War I breaking out in 1914). The name comes from the first ship to be built in this style; H.M.S. Dreadnought.

    More info: http://en.wikipedia....(1906)

    I knew my History minor would come into use one day…

  • Matthew S. | January 12, 2007 at 5:10 pm |

    Wikipedia doesn’t want to cooperate, let’s try that link again: http://en.wikipedia....

    And in case that doesn’t work, here’s another link with information: http://www.history.n...

  • Metsfan AZ | January 12, 2007 at 5:15 pm |

    Kusillius (sp?) on ESPN radio just called for the powder blues should the Chargers reach the Super Bowl.

  • GoTerriers | January 12, 2007 at 5:24 pm |

    Hey Teebz, I found a job for you (if you’re considering moving to Massachusetts) . . .

    An inside track to stopping (or at least sabotaging) the impending demise of hockey jerseys (or are they sweaters) as we know them

    Reebok International Jersey Specialist

  • Teebz | January 12, 2007 at 5:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”40994″]Hey Teebz, I found a job for you (if you’re considering moving to Massachusetts) . . .

    An inside track to stopping (or at least sabotaging) the impending demise of hockey jerseys (or are they sweaters) as we know them

    Reebok International Jersey Specialist[/quote]

    Very interesting. I may have to apply as a secret Uni Watch agent. :o)

  • Paul Lukas | January 12, 2007 at 5:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”40963″][quote comment=”40960″]I have a .jpeg of “Doctor” Andrew Lotshaw, who was the Cubs’ trainer through the 20’s and 30’s and who had a collared jersey that said TRAINER in an arched font (very similar to the White Sox 70’s jersey style) that is very cool…but it’s a .jpeg so not sure how I can send for viewing…

    Any suggestions?[/quote]

    Try posting it on Flickr or PhotoBucket, and linking the URL that way.[/quote]

    Or else just email it to me and I’ll take care of it.

  • ngruz25 | January 12, 2007 at 5:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”40980″][quote comment=”40975″]I’m a goalie and I’ve gone sockless before in the net. Usually the only time I will is when we play at the big rink. Its a heated rink so down on the ice surface its quite hot and uncomfortable (for someone whos grown up with Northern Ontairo winters) and without the socks it makes it a little more bearable.

    One time I was too lazy to put on socks when I was gonna be a backup. After the game I heard everyone talking about “the goalie with the bear legs”

    For those who said it would rub against you legs … most goalies (me included) wear their straps so loose that they don’t actually rub against the back of the leg.[/quote]

    Semi-related, but it’s a question maybe somebody out there can answer for me (I’m looking at you Canadians in particular)…

    In Minnesota, all youth hockey teams are required to wear blaze orange stop signs on the back of their jerseys in an attempt to deter opponents from checking from behind and boarding. Are there other youth programs that are required to do this, or is it unique to Minnesota?[/quote]

    In Maine, when I was in pee-wees 10 years ago or so, we wore stop sign stickers on the back of our helmets. I remember some teams that we played out of state (mostly from NH and MA) wore them on the back of their jerseys too.

  • Steve | January 12, 2007 at 5:40 pm |

    To shed a little light on the wrestling conversation. A lot of wrestlers legally change their names so that they can have control over licensing. Stone Cold Steve Austin, for example, can not refer to himself as “Stone Cold” anymore because the WWE retains that as a trademark. So now that he’s out of the WWE, he can only go as Steve Austin.

    Andrew Martin legally changed his name in 2005 to Andrew Test Martin so that he can have full rights to utilize his name if he ever stops wrestling as Test for the WWE.

  • Nolan | January 12, 2007 at 5:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”40955″][quote comment=”40939″][quote comment=”40931″]While you’re in Dallas, maybe I recommend for your drinking pleasure the Gingerman pub on Boll Street, just off McKinney Avenue.

    http://dallas.ginger...

    Funny, I was thinking of the Gingerman myself — good place for a medium-sized gathering because it’s never super-crowded and noisy despite its Uptown locale. Plus they have like 100 draft beers. Best beer bar in town, hands down. (Dallas is a generally terrible town for beer connoisseurs, much unlike my hometown.)[/quote]

    Well it can get crowded if it’s raining and/or extremely cold outside, because everyone just packs into the bar and it becomes standing room only. That doesn’t happen very often though.

    Gingerman is, for me anyway, the happiest place on earth. It’s my Disney Land. I would live there if they let me. Just a great place to drink some good beer, throw some darts, and smoke a cigar (they have an ok cigar selection too). And with Trinity Hall in Mockingbird Station and Flying Saucer up in Addison, Dallas is becoming more of a beer town.[/quote]
    Am I the only one who likes The Old Monk. Probably depends on what part of town your in.

  • Nolan | January 12, 2007 at 5:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”41001″][quote comment=”40955″][quote comment=”40939″][quote comment=”40931″]While you’re in Dallas, maybe I recommend for your drinking pleasure the Gingerman pub on Boll Street, just off McKinney Avenue.

    http://dallas.ginger...

    Funny, I was thinking of the Gingerman myself — good place for a medium-sized gathering because it’s never super-crowded and noisy despite its Uptown locale. Plus they have like 100 draft beers. Best beer bar in town, hands down. (Dallas is a generally terrible town for beer connoisseurs, much unlike my hometown.)[/quote]

    Well it can get crowded if it’s raining and/or extremely cold outside, because everyone just packs into the bar and it becomes standing room only. That doesn’t happen very often though.

    Gingerman is, for me anyway, the happiest place on earth. It’s my Disney Land. I would live there if they let me. Just a great place to drink some good beer, throw some darts, and smoke a cigar (they have an ok cigar selection too). And with Trinity Hall in Mockingbird Station and Flying Saucer up in Addison, Dallas is becoming more of a beer town.[/quote]
    Am I the only one who likes The Old Monk. Probably depends on what part of town your in.[/quote]
    Damn, I meant to mention how any bar with this is a worthwhile destination.

  • Jeff | January 12, 2007 at 6:02 pm |

    Not sure if it has been mentioned, but Jaromir Jagr was wearing yellow laces last night against the Senators.

  • Cannon | January 12, 2007 at 6:04 pm |

    In response to post #133 – All minor hockey teams in Canada wear a little red stop sign just below their neck on the back of their jerseys.

    In response to post #134 – I leave the straps loose in accordence to the “profly” style of goaltending that I play. It allows my knee to slide inside the pad so when I go down the front of the pads are facing the shooter instead of the ice. There is a ton of more info avaliable about this sorta stuff here.

  • Matthew S. | January 12, 2007 at 6:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”41002″][quote comment=”41001″][quote comment=”40955″][quote comment=”40939″][quote comment=”40931″]While you’re in Dallas, maybe I recommend for your drinking pleasure the Gingerman pub on Boll Street, just off McKinney Avenue.

    http://dallas.ginger...

    Funny, I was thinking of the Gingerman myself — good place for a medium-sized gathering because it’s never super-crowded and noisy despite its Uptown locale. Plus they have like 100 draft beers. Best beer bar in town, hands down. (Dallas is a generally terrible town for beer connoisseurs, much unlike my hometown.)[/quote]

    Well it can get crowded if it’s raining and/or extremely cold outside, because everyone just packs into the bar and it becomes standing room only. That doesn’t happen very often though.

    Gingerman is, for me anyway, the happiest place on earth. It’s my Disney Land. I would live there if they let me. Just a great place to drink some good beer, throw some darts, and smoke a cigar (they have an ok cigar selection too). And with Trinity Hall in Mockingbird Station and Flying Saucer up in Addison, Dallas is becoming more of a beer town.[/quote]
    Am I the only one who likes The Old Monk. Probably depends on what part of town your in.[/quote]
    Damn, I meant to mention how any bar with this is a worthwhile destination.[/quote]

    I haven’t been to Old Monk in awhile, but they do have a great Priest Collar there (Ace Pear Cider with a Guinness floater).

    I agree with you on Chimay, very good, just expensive.

  • S Bennett | January 12, 2007 at 6:10 pm |

    Couple of things:

    1) The STOP program is nationwide for Canadian minor hockey. My first attempt to find a little red stop sign like th ones they sew on the back of sweaters brought up this logo creep atrocity

    2) The Cooper XL-7 was supposed to be revolutionary helmet in that everything snapped in place – instantly adjustable without a screwdriver. I’ve seen more of them “explode” on players. everyting would go flying. Plus, the interior was like a greay terrycloth, which wasn’t too comfortable. Not many made it to the NHL, but Craig Ramsay wore one. Can’t find a pic at teh moent, but I’ll keep looking. Mario Lemieux wore one for part of this junior career too, until the sk 2000 was put in the market.

    3) I’m surprised that I didn’t see this, but the Cooper SK-100 helmet from Paul’s 1974 Cooper mag is alive and well! They are used extesively in Ireland as GAA Hurling equipment.

  • Denis | January 12, 2007 at 6:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”40779″]Cooper has a long illustrious history of designing some of the greatest looking hockey helmets known to man.

    Behold the XL7. I’ve never been able to find a pic of these babies in action… wonder why?[/quote]

    Mario Lemieux wore that helmet when he played Juniors in Quebec:
    http://www.legendsof...

  • S Bennett | January 12, 2007 at 6:19 pm |

    In response to post #134 – I leave the straps loose in accordence to the “profly” style of goaltending that I play. It allows my knee to slide inside the pad so when I go down the front of the pads are facing the shooter instead of the ice.

    Regardless of style, if you tighten the pads snug against your legs, particularly the straps behind the knee / lower thigh, they’ll cut in to your legs and cut circulation as you crouch, try to get up, and so on. No more surreal feeling than trying to play goal when your legs are falling asleep.

  • C.N. | January 12, 2007 at 6:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”40918″][quote comment=”40907″][quote comment=”40902″]Are these guys identical twins or what?[/quote]

    Those two are far apart as can be in their personalities.[/quote]
    My girlfriend has a theory that they coordinated on outfits on purpose, just for fun. I suggested that Mike Holmgren and Andy Reid — though not buddies, I don’t think — should try the same thing if the Seahawks & Eagles meet.[/quote]

    They did work together on the same staff when Holmgren was in Green Bay, but I don’t know how close they are.

  • ChrisM70 | January 12, 2007 at 6:32 pm |

    This isn’t exactly uni-related, but I thought if you were interested in family tartans, you might be interested something similar –

    Irish Clan Sweaters.

    The sweaters have their own special design so the clans could tell themselves apart!

    Here’s a link:
    http://www.clanarans...

  • Chili | January 12, 2007 at 6:35 pm |

    I think your Jewboys shirt will draw chuckles, not ire, in Texas. Most of us (Texans) are pretty cool, actually.

  • Scott | January 12, 2007 at 6:53 pm |

    Glad to hear that the NHL will be going to home whites next season. I heard it here first.

  • Philly Bill | January 12, 2007 at 7:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”41005″]Am I the only one who likes The Old Monk. Probably depends on what part of town your in.[/quote]
    Damn, I meant to mention how any bar with this is a worthwhile destination.[/quote]

    I haven’t been to Old Monk in awhile, but they do have a great Priest Collar there (Ace Pear Cider with a Guinness floater).

    I agree with you on Chimay, very good, just expensive.[/quote]

    I dig the Monk — I pass it on the way home every day. Might have to stop in there this weekend for a Guinness and a bowl of stew to combat the cold weather (low 30s, which is nearly apocalyptic by local standards).

    Also, Vickery Park, a newish bar across the street from the Old Monk, is a pretty good spot. Good food, good staff, plasma TVs, not expensive.

    I’ve never heard of mixing cider with Guinness. That sounds, frankly, awful.

    Finally: I’m sure everyone has really enjoyed our discussion of the Dallas bar scene on here today. I’m sure I owe some people an apology.

  • Dave A | January 12, 2007 at 8:26 pm |

    I remember wearing both of those Cooper helmets and the football style facemask in the top left at one time or another in the 70’s. Not so much the stick stripe patterns though. I was a CCM and Sher-Wood guy.

  • Burrill | January 12, 2007 at 9:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”40985″]I am from Dexter, and good catch on the misspelled “dreadnought”, I never go to hockey games, so I have never seen that. The official nickname is “Dreadnaught”, and the “Dreads” nickname is a little overused I think actually (probably from all of those freaking annoying cheers by the cheerleaders at the basketball and football games).

    We also pride ourselves on not knowing the origin of this “Dreadnaught” nickname and mascot, the local paper has tried many a time to find the origins, and never got a definitive answer- they vary. I find our logo to be verrrrrrry cartoonish, a simple well done regular ship would be better than that obtuse looking boat.

    Go Dreads vs. the Big Purp (Pioneer)[/quote]

    I just got back from the Dexter/Pioneer game. Sorry, Andrew; the Ships didn’t have it tonight against the Wagons. Couldn’t sink a shot for anything. Even layups wouldn’t drop.

    Anyway, I took a good look at the giant Dreadnaught logo painted on the wall in the gym. It is very similar to the logo in the hockey arena, but it’s much more compressed. Since it’s so much shorter, the oddly-placed arms aren’t quite so odd. But it is equally cartoonish, and even as a Chelsea resident, I agree with you — it needs to be redone in a much less cartoony style. I’ll post a picture when I get my pictures on the computer.

    I also noted that as you said, anywhere the name appeared in the gym (such as on the floor), it was the official “Dreadnaughts.” It would be kind of interesting to know why it’s officially spelled that way, instead of the original spelling.

    I can sympathize with you about the overuse of Dreads; Chelsea has started shortening Bulldogs to Dawgs, and it’s being used way too much.

    Hey, do you get to any of the basketball games? I’ll be at a few this year.

  • tessa | January 12, 2007 at 9:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”41004″]In response to post #134 – I leave the straps loose in accordence to the “profly” style of goaltending that I play. It allows my knee to slide inside the pad so when I go down the front of the pads are facing the shooter instead of the ice. There is a ton of more info avaliable about this sorta stuff here.[/quote]

    Thanks! I will learn and understand hockey if it is the last thing I do!

  • Dave A | January 12, 2007 at 9:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”41004″]In response to post #133 – All minor hockey teams in Canada wear a little red stop sign just below their neck on the back of their jerseys.
    [/quote]

    Don Cherry was a champion of making the stop sign patch mandatory in minor hockey for years before it happened.

  • Nate F | January 12, 2007 at 10:03 pm |

    The US World Junior hockey team wore stop signs on the backs of their practice jerseys during this year’s tournament. Also, Minna – you were wondering why black T-shirts always cost more than white ones…well, have you ever seen a black cotton plant?

  • Nate F | January 12, 2007 at 10:19 pm |

    Correction on the US World Junior team jerseys…they aren’t stop signs, they’re RESPECT signs.

  • nico | January 12, 2007 at 10:33 pm |

    Jackie Stewart, former Formula One Champion, wears his family’s tartan all the time, he also painted it to the car when he owned and opperated a team. He also had it on his helmet.

  • Robert | January 12, 2007 at 10:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”40931″][quote comment=”40924″]Reid and Holmgren coached together in Green Bay and, I think, San Fran as well. Dungy and Edwards coached together in Tampa.

    Paul, I’d love to catch up with you if you make it to Dallas. (They surely don’t call me “Philly Bill” back in Philly.) And I think the t-shirt will go over well here, actually, if only because people will think it has something to do with Kinky Friedman.[/quote]

    I think several Texans will think of some sort of Kinky Friedman connection immediately since he did just spend the better part of 2006 in the news due to his running for Governor. His campaign produced action figures and you couldn’t go to any college campus (especially in Austin) without seeing a red and white “Why the hell not?” Kinky for Governor bumper sticker.

    While you’re in Dallas, maybe I recommend for your drinking pleasure the Gingerman pub on Boll Street, just off McKinney Avenue.

    http://dallas.ginger...

    I can vouch for the Gingerman. Good bar.

    And when I saw the Jewboys shirt, I too thought of Kinky.

    Hope to see you in Dallas, Paul.

  • S Bennett | January 12, 2007 at 11:05 pm |

    I’ve never heard of mixing cider with Guinness. That sounds, frankly, awful.

    That’s called a royal float, isn’t it? I’ve had one before. It WAS awful. I’m just not much of a cider guy ever since the swish barrel incident.

    A good half and half (Guinness and Stella Artois) is a good sip, if you’re feeing like trying something new. Get a good bartender, though, or you’ll get a friggin mess.

  • Colin | January 13, 2007 at 1:10 am |

    ok, reading this topic reminded me of something… and perhaps someone can help me out with pics that support this.

    i swear i remember former Canucks’ goalie Kirk McLean having some sort of tartan pattern on the back of his mask. maybe i’m wrong, i don’t know.

    also, another bit from this article about Alex Auld’s mask with Florida…

    – at home Alex displays a collection of masks he was worn throughout the years – each one custom painted with a bit of history and a story behind it. Hailing from Scottish descent, Auld honors his heritage and currently wears a colorful mask with the Saint Andrews cross on the top; on one side there is a mythical Griffin which hails from his family’s crest; on the opposite side is the Panthers’ logo; and an emblem of the Scottish shield along with his initials at the bottom.

    Once again, any pics would be greatly appreciated.

    As I love the hockey talk here, and I don’t know how often goalie masks are talked about… here’s a few pics I *did* find.
    a bunch of mask pics
    classic masks

  • Colin | January 13, 2007 at 1:22 am |

    actually i somehow missed the tartan on mclean’s mask from the link i posted… probably because it wasn’t the same mask i was thinking of.

    not the greatest pic

  • Minna H. | January 13, 2007 at 1:50 am |

    [quote comment=”41070″]The US World Junior hockey team wore stop signs on the backs of their practice jerseys during this year’s tournament. Also, Minna – you were wondering why black T-shirts always cost more than white ones…well, have you ever seen a black cotton plant?[/quote]

    Nate F, too true, but is it that much harder to dye it black than, say, dark green? Black is always the most expensive. I think part of it is because it is less popular than other colors as well as harder to dye.

    I would be interested to know how much more the away Timberwolves unis (black) cost to make than the homes (white).

  • Thorold Blair | January 13, 2007 at 2:38 am |

    [quote comment=”40980″][quote comment=”40975″]I’m a goalie and I’ve gone sockless before in the net. Usually the only time I will is when we play at the big rink. Its a heated rink so down on the ice surface its quite hot and uncomfortable (for someone whos grown up with Northern Ontairo winters) and without the socks it makes it a little more bearable.

    One time I was too lazy to put on socks when I was gonna be a backup. After the game I heard everyone talking about “the goalie with the bear legs”

    For those who said it would rub against you legs … most goalies (me included) wear their straps so loose that they don’t actually rub against the back of the leg.[/quote]

    Semi-related, but it’s a question maybe somebody out there can answer for me (I’m looking at you Canadians in particular)…

    In Minnesota, all youth hockey teams are required to wear blaze orange stop signs on the back of their jerseys in an attempt to deter opponents from checking from behind and boarding. Are there other youth programs that are required to do this, or is it unique to Minnesota?[/quote]

    I could be wrong, but I believe hockey canada mandated that every team under junior (18 and younger) wear a stop sign. They partnered with Chunky Soup too i believe.

  • S Bennett | January 13, 2007 at 9:27 am |

    [quote comment=”41109″]actually i somehow missed the tartan on mclean’s mask from the link i posted… probably because it wasn’t the same mask i was thinking of.

    not the greatest pic[/quote]

    The backplate on McLean’s original Canucks mask (the yellow one that was changed to white had the same tartan on the backplate. Soooo hard to get a pic of the back of a goalie’s mask. there is a back shot of him on the cover of the EA Sports NHL video game – I’m going to bet it’s the ’95 edition.

  • Jason Snell | January 14, 2007 at 3:28 pm |

    We’d love to see you in San Francisco…

  • Colin | January 18, 2007 at 5:01 pm |

    Hey Paul,
    I love the site. I always loved watching Mike Benjamin play just because of his socks he wore. When he played for Boston back in 97 he wore Red, White and Blue high striped socks. They looked awesome with the home white. Any other players do this? Is it still legal or are there any restrictions on socks and stirrups in the MLB. Thanks man.
    Colin