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So Much for that ‘Sun Devils’ Moniker

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New ESPN column today — here’s the link.

Meanwhile: As I was working on some other stuff late last night, I got an e-mail from reader Mark Surra, who had an interesting report to deliver:

On Monday evening, Arizona State’s women’s basketball team hosted Texas Tech for an outdoor game at Chase Field. Temperatures were pretty cold at game time with the roof retracted, so the NCAA allowed players to wear long-sleeve shirts under their jerseys [although some players chose to stay bare-armed. — PL]. In another twist, the game had to be called due to rain with 4:18 left.

This unlikely spectacle (additional views of which are available here and here) was reportedly only the second outdoor game in women’s college hoops history. (The first one was at this same stadium — then known as Bank One Ballpark — in 2000.) Gametime temp was 56 degrees — not so bad, although this news account says fans were “bundled up like Packers fans at Lambeau Field.”

This all recalls that outdoor game that the Canadiens and Oilers played three years ago, with Jose Theodore donning a toque to protect himself from the sub-zero chill. Anyone know of any other instances in which a nominally indoor sport has been played outdoors, leading to uniform adjustments?

Uni Watch News Ticker: Remember those electronic jerseys that I wrote about a while back? They were the subject of an NPR story yesterday. … Todd Kortemeier notes that the Reebok logo on Quentin Jammer’s sleeve was gold (instead of the usual white) on Sunday night. … Check out what the Wyoming football team used to look like (good find by Todd Krevanchi). … In case you missed it, Chad Johnson came out for pregame warm-ups last night wearing a “personal mural” on his shoes, but he switched to a regular pair when threatened with ejection (thanks to Peter Bonnett for the photo). … Seth Harris sent along this photo. “It’s from the Aztec Bowl,” he explains. “It’s Divison 3 kids, I think mainly from Texas, vs. Mexico college kids.” … Remember last week’s discussion of the Riddell Kra-Lite facemask? Interesting follow-up by Dan White: “I was doing some research and discovered that the only three players left in the NFL who wear that mask (Wayne Gandy, Willie Anderson, and Kendall Simmons) all went to Auburn. I wonder if that’s an Auburn-only deal where Auburn supplied that mask more than other schools? Obviously the mask isn’t Aubun-specific, but maybe it was more popular there than any other school.” Okay, but it’s worth noting that Greg Lloyd went to Fort Valley State, not Auburn. … While looking for that Greg Lloyd photo, I came across this (the article it appeared with is here).

 

180 comments to So Much for that ‘Sun Devils’ Moniker

  • CubsFanBudMan | December 19, 2006 at 9:04 am |

    I don’t get it… the place has a roof. How does it get “rained out.”

  • Robert | December 19, 2006 at 9:08 am |

    Why was that basketball game played outdoors? It doesn’t look like they really needed the extra seating capacity. Was it just a gimmick?

  • CubsFanBudMan | December 19, 2006 at 9:08 am |

    …unless having the “second outdoor women’s college basketball game” (or its first rainout) was more important to ASU then actually completing the game. This falls under the “stupid” category on a couple of levels. Close the roof!

  • WVU Tom | December 19, 2006 at 9:10 am |

    [quote comment=”31211″]I don’t get it… the place has a roof. How does it get “rained out.”[/quote]

    According to the article Paul linked to, there wasn’t enough time to close the roof. What I don’t get is why even bother to do all this in the first place?

    They actually had to move an entire court onto the field just to play a game outdoors, and then the weather wasn’t even cooperative?!? Just seems a little unnecessary to me (and under-planned).

  • Seth H | December 19, 2006 at 9:11 am |

    Michigan and Michigan State played outdoors at Spartan Stadium in 2001. http://www.statenews... This was before the Montreal-Edmonton game.

  • N. | December 19, 2006 at 9:14 am |

    Quinten Jammer’s “gold” Reebok logo is a grass stain.

  • JJ | December 19, 2006 at 9:16 am |

    I attended Hebron Academy in Hebron, Maine for my senior year of high school and played on the hockey team. The rink was not covered and the boards were enclosed by chain-link fence instead of plexiglass. When the winds came across the athletic fields, up the hill and through the rink it made for some damn cold games and practices. It wasn’t until 1993 that the rink was enclosed with the current Robinson Arena.

  • Paul Lukas | December 19, 2006 at 9:17 am |

    [quote comment=”31217″]Quinten Jammer’s “gold” Reebok logo is a grass stain.[/quote]

    If so, it’s the most localized grass stain ever, since neither his lightning bolt nor his sleeve uni number got even a fleck of green.

  • jesse | December 19, 2006 at 9:18 am |

    [quote comment=”31216″]Michigan and Michigan State played outdoors at Spartan Stadium in 2001. http://www.statenews... This was before the Montreal-Edmonton game.[/quote]

    Sports Illustrated had a picture of that game while it was being played, it was really amazing, the stadium was completely sold out.

  • Pat | December 19, 2006 at 9:20 am |

    Playing basketball outside is a bad idea. Hockey, fine, Don’t have much issue with that because you play on ICE. If that basketball floor got wet from the rain it is ruined now. Good move Arizona.

  • Seth H | December 19, 2006 at 9:20 am |

    Here are more pictures. You will notice that both teams are wearing a special patch: MSU on the left shoulder and MU on the right shoulder.
    http://www.cqql.net/...

    Ohio State and Wisconsin also played outdoors — on the (really) frozen tundra at Lambeau Field — a few years ago. I’ll try to find some pictures.

  • Richard | December 19, 2006 at 9:21 am |

    Chad Johnson’s shoes were taped up after he had a talk with Merton Hanks, the NFL official on site for the game. Chad taped the shoes up so he would not get fined or told to sit out the game.

  • Seth H | December 19, 2006 at 9:23 am |

    While looking for Frozen Tundra game pictures, I came across this amazing photo of early Wisconsin hockey. Check out the stripes and the helmets!
    http://www.replaypho...

  • Matt H. | December 19, 2006 at 9:25 am |

    not that it really matters, but who won that outdoor asu game?

  • Beantown | December 19, 2006 at 9:26 am |

    [quote comment=”31218″]I attended Hebron Academy in Hebron, Maine for my senior year of high school and played on the hockey team. The rink was not covered and the boards were enclosed by chain-link fence instead of plexiglass. When the winds came across the athletic fields, up the hill and through the rink it made for some damn cold games and practices. It wasn’t until 1993 that the rink was enclosed with the current Robinson Arena.[/quote]

    I played at (and then coached at) Northfield Mount Hermon in Mass. The rink is still considered outdoors with nothing but a chain link fence on both sides loosely covered by a tarp. Not only have they not enclosed it, they still used chain link fence for glass up until 1996. There were days when we played there that we had to wear togues under our helmets, and keep those warming hand packs in our gloves.

  • B | December 19, 2006 at 9:27 am |

    Here’s a picture from the frozen trundra game.
    http://media.scout.c...

  • WVU Tom | December 19, 2006 at 9:29 am |

    [quote comment=”31223″]Chad Johnson’s shoes were taped up after he had a talk with Merton Hanks, the NFL official on site for the game. Chad taped the shoes up so he would not get fined or told to sit out the game.[/quote]

    Actually, he wore a completely different pair of shoes altogether. The shoes he wore were taped up (or “spatted”), but they were definately black shoes–whereas the customized shoes in question were orange and black tiger-striped.

    During the game one of the sideline reporters actually had the offending shoes and was showing them off to the camera, so obviously chad wasn’t wearing them at the time.

    According to sources during the game, he was in fact fined for even bring them out onto the field, but faced ejection if he would have worn them during the game.

  • Seth H | December 19, 2006 at 9:34 am |

    This picture from the Frozen Tundra game shows a goalie wearing a toque. But my guess is that this is the backup and he wore the cap on the bench to keep warm.
    http://www.thefan107...

  • Jeremy | December 19, 2006 at 9:37 am |

    chad johnson started in those tiger striped shoes until the human bobble head (hanks) made him take them off. he then was wearing reeboks with black tape… and then it looks like he just took all of the tape off (nfl mandate?).

  • Richard | December 19, 2006 at 9:37 am |

    [quote comment=”31230″][quote comment=”31223″]Chad Johnson’s shoes were taped up after he had a talk with Merton Hanks, the NFL official on site for the game. Chad taped the shoes up so he would not get fined or told to sit out the game.[/quote]

    Actually, he wore a completely different pair of shoes altogether. The shoes he wore were taped up (or “spatted”), but they were definately black shoes–whereas the customized shoes in question were orange and black tiger-striped.

    During the game one of the sideline reporters actually had the offending shoes and was showing them off to the camera, so obviously chad wasn’t wearing them at the time.

    According to sources during the game, he was in fact fined for even bring them out onto the field, but faced ejection if he would have worn them during the game.[/quote]

    Interesting. They had reported it incorrectly before then. Gracias for the update.

  • Metsfan AZ | December 19, 2006 at 9:37 am |

    [quote comment=”31221″]Playing basketball outside is a bad idea. Hockey, fine, Don’t have much issue with that because you play on ICE. If that basketball floor got wet from the rain it is ruined now. Good move Arizona.[/quote]
    HEY!! That’s Arizona State that pulled this stunt. NOT U of Arizona. Big difference for us out here, sort of like Michigan v. MSU or Florida v. FSU. etc.
    Thanks, just wanted to clear that up.

  • Matt | December 19, 2006 at 9:39 am |

    the one thing I don’t get about playing bball outdoors is the wind factor… these players are used to playing in conditions without wind… when u play bball with wind you have to figure out how the ball travels with wind..

  • Shane | December 19, 2006 at 9:39 am |

    Nike’s apparently selling BCS Championship Game jerseys now.

  • jesse | December 19, 2006 at 9:39 am |

    [quote comment=”31220″][quote comment=”31216″]Michigan and Michigan State played outdoors at Spartan Stadium in 2001. http://www.statenews... This was before the Montreal-Edmonton game.[/quote]

    Sports Illustrated had a picture of that game while it was being played, it was really amazing, the stadium was completely sold out.[/quote]

    Here is a link

  • Clevo | December 19, 2006 at 9:40 am |

    The No Fun League at its finest. If CJ wants to wear repulsively ugly shoes, why cant he? They were Reeboks, and they were kind of black (blackish, I guess…OK, not so much) They dont threaten to fine Reggie Bush for wearing his gold Adidas.

  • wooster, oh | December 19, 2006 at 9:40 am |

    Re: Aztec Bowl–it’s a bowl game for the best Div. III SENIORS in the country and is played every year in Mexico (locations within Mexico vary from year to year). Only two players who have played in that bowl are currently in the NFL.

    Re: indoor/outdoor games–The Beanpot Tournament in Boston which is held annually between 4 Boston schools (Harvard, BU, BC, and Northeastern) has been in talks to hold the tournament at Fenway park in the future.

  • Clevo | December 19, 2006 at 9:41 am |

    sorry, it wassupposed to be threaten to suspend Reggie Bush, we all know they are fining him for the “offesnive” shoes (ie- they arent Reeboks)

  • Miguel | December 19, 2006 at 9:46 am |

    It would be a lot cooler if they used chain basketball nets for those outdoor games.

  • Matt | December 19, 2006 at 9:51 am |

    Wasn’t there talk about a second MSU/UM outdoor hockey game, in Ann Arbor?

  • Metsfan AZ | December 19, 2006 at 9:53 am |

    [quote comment=”31241″]Re: Aztec Bowl–it’s a bowl game for the best Div. III SENIORS in the country and is played every year in Mexico (locations within Mexico vary from year to year). Only two players who have played in that bowl are currently in the NFL.

    Re: indoor/outdoor games–The Beanpot Tournament in Boston which is held annually between 4 Boston schools (Harvard, BU, BC, and Northeastern) has been in talks to hold the tournament at Fenway park in the future.[/quote]
    Since I’m not a hockey guy (grew up in the SW) this seems to make sense. Those pics of the other outdoor games played in football stadiums look like the fans are miles away from the action compared to NHL arenas. Seems like a b’ball only park should be a little more intimate. btw, the configuration for that ASU b’ball game leaves a lot to be desired. Looks like the fans are only on 2 sides. Also, U of Arizona has a Muslim player who wears long sleeves for every game, and we typically play indoors.

  • Original Jim | December 19, 2006 at 9:54 am |

    Maybe someone else can confirm this…I heard that all the pictures that were on Ocho Cinco’s shoes before the game were of him scoring against the Colts. So not only were the shoes picture books, but the pictures themselves were specific to the opponent (the Colts).

  • Jason | December 19, 2006 at 9:57 am |

    I wonder if Merton does the turkey dance after busting uniform code violators???

  • Jonathon | December 19, 2006 at 9:58 am |

    I can verify that Gandy, Simmons and Anderson wearing Kra-lite helmets has nothing to do with them going to Auburn. None of those 3 players wore Kra-lites when they played at Auburn. Gandy finished up in 92 or 93, Anderson in 95, and Simmons in 97 or 98. No one on Auburn’s team wears Kra-lite helmets, either back then, or now. It’s probably that Willie started wearing one when he joined the Bengals. He’s a mentor to a lot of Auburn linemen who enter the league, and he may have recommended the helmet to them. I don’t have the photo evidence, but I’ve been to enough Auburn games in my life to know that the Kra-lite has never been wore by an Auburn Tiger.

  • Paul Frankenstein | December 19, 2006 at 10:01 am |

    Actually, I thought that Johnson changed his shoes twice–during warmups, he was wearing the tiger-stripes shoes with the photograhs, then in the first quarter of the game, he was wearing black shoes with a gray sole, and then when the Bengals took the field in the second quarter, he had changed his shoes again to white shoes with orange soles.

  • Scott | December 19, 2006 at 10:02 am |

    Our local paper has a story about a former basketball player at Kansas, now in his 80’s, who was the 1st equipment manager for the Dallas Cowboys (see it online at http://www.cjonline....; may require a free registration). The story claims that the gentleman “…devised three innovations in the football players’ gear: He said he had sweatshirt fabric sewn onto the front of the uniforms to create hand warmers for the receivers and other players and placed sponge rubber inside the front of the helmet to better protect players’ noses.”

    After playing at Kansas he played in the NBA (for the Chicago Stags and the Indianapolis Jets) and was an assistant coach under Phog Allen. He helped recruit Wilt Chamberlain to play at Kansas.

    Scott

  • Brian Crisp | December 19, 2006 at 10:04 am |

    I couldn’t help thinking last night that the Bengals’ uniforms would be more interesting if they followed the idea that “no two tigers’ stripes are alike.” What if each helemt/uniform was slightly different from all the rest?

  • Mike W. | December 19, 2006 at 10:04 am |

    Back to the Kra-lites, is it a coincidence that Gandy, Simmons, and Lloyd are or were Pittsburgh Steelers?

  • Metsfan AZ | December 19, 2006 at 10:04 am |

    One interesting thing that I’m sure Krevanch will catch, the floor is painted for the Phoenix Mercury of the WNBA. Quick Google search didn’t turn up pics. Unless they borrowed the floor… “Umm it’s a little damp, our bad.”

  • xyz | December 19, 2006 at 10:09 am |

    Cinncinati has been known for there frugal tactics in regards to facemasks. (They use Riddell helmets, predominately, which come with Riddell facemasks,obviously. Most teams/players prefer to use Schutt but they are an additional cost.) Refer to the HelmetHut.com under the Bengals in the NFL section for details.

  • Chris Hilf | December 19, 2006 at 10:10 am |

    Simmons hasn’t even worn that facemask the entire time he played for the steelers.

    Also, that pic of Lloyd is from their charity basketball games they play, and the current ones are similar but have a basketball int he middle with their number in it. There’s a pic at the local CVS, I’ll see if I can snap a picture of it….

  • Banker Bill | December 19, 2006 at 10:14 am |

    I’ve been hearing rumors of a proposed Rangers/Islanders or Rangers/Devils game to be played at one of the baseball stadiums – probably Yankee Stadium. Nice idea, just rumors though. I’d go if it happened.

  • Banker Bill | December 19, 2006 at 10:16 am |

    [quote comment=”31253″]I couldn’t help thinking last night that the Bengals’ uniforms would be more interesting if they followed the idea that “no two tigers’ stripes are alike.” What if each helemt/uniform was slightly different from all the rest?[/quote]

    Nice idea – provided you give me enough Dramamine to make it through watching the entire game.

  • Seth H | December 19, 2006 at 10:17 am |

    Re: indoor/outdoor games–The Beanpot Tournament in Boston which is held annually between 4 Boston schools (Harvard, BU, BC, and Northeastern) has been in talks to hold the tournament at Fenway park in the future.

    There may be hockey at Fenway, but it won’t be the Beanpot. BC has been talking about playing a game there for a few years. The Red Sox have stated that any hockey game will not involve the Beanpot.

    There is a Beanpot tournament at Fenway, however: The same four schools have played a baseball beanpot since about 1990. It has been at Fenway every year except 2004.

  • Pete B | December 19, 2006 at 10:17 am |

    Here is a better quality version of Chad Johnson’s Boots: they are very snazzy.

    Pete

  • wooster, oh | December 19, 2006 at 10:19 am |

    More on games played where they aren’t normally played–The Emerald Bowl is held in San Francisco each year at Pac Bell Park which is designed solely for baseball use.

    http://www.emeraldbo...

  • Rich | December 19, 2006 at 10:20 am |

    [quote comment=”31243″]It would be a lot cooler if they used chain basketball nets for those outdoor games.[/quote]

    Yeah, but for authenticity you’d need one broken, and one completely missing. At least for my old neighborhood!

  • Daniel | December 19, 2006 at 10:24 am |

    [quote comment=”31263″]More on games played where they aren’t normally played–The Emerald Bowl is held in San Francisco each year at Pac Bell Park which is designed solely for baseball use.

    http://www.emeraldbo...
    Since when did New Mexico and Navy play in the Emerald Bowl?

  • Sammy44 | December 19, 2006 at 10:26 am |

    [quote comment=”31250″]I can verify that Gandy, Simmons and Anderson wearing Kra-lite helmets has nothing to do with them going to Auburn. None of those 3 players wore Kra-lites when they played at Auburn. [/quote]

    Actually Gandy wore the mask at Auburn. I think he was the only one on the team who did.

    http://www.autograph...

  • Kenny | December 19, 2006 at 10:26 am |

    [quote comment=”31214″]…unless having the “second outdoor women’s college basketball game” (or its first rainout) was more important to ASU then actually completing the game. This falls under the “stupid” category on a couple of levels. Close the roof![/quote]

    When then it wouldn’t be outdoors then would it?

  • Metsfan AZ | December 19, 2006 at 10:26 am |

    [quote comment=”31255″]One interesting thing that I’m sure Krevanch will catch, the floor is painted for the Phoenix Mercury of the WNBA. Quick Google search didn’t turn up pics. Unless they borrowed the floor… “Umm it’s a little damp, our bad.”[/quote]
    Or, I could actually read the article, I’ll be in the corner wearing a pointy hat.

  • wooster, oh | December 19, 2006 at 10:32 am |

    [quote comment=”31266″][quote comment=”31263″]More on games played where they aren’t normally played–The Emerald Bowl is held in San Francisco each year at Pac Bell Park which is designed solely for baseball use.

    http://www.emeraldbo...
    Since when did New Mexico and Navy play in the Emerald Bowl?[/quote]

    In 2004. Notice all the Midshipmen? The Academy actually reimburses them for flying to bowl games sometimes. Not sure if this was one of those years. I know they did in 2003 with the EV1.Net bowl.

  • Metsfan AZ | December 19, 2006 at 10:33 am |

    [quote comment=”31263″]More on games played where they aren’t normally played–The Emerald Bowl is held in San Francisco each year at Pac Bell Park which is designed solely for baseball use.

    http://www.emeraldbo...
    The Insight Bowl is played at Chase Field in Phoenix or at least it was until this year. The same place as the Scum Devils b’ball game last night.

  • WVU Tom | December 19, 2006 at 10:40 am |

    [quote comment=”31248″]Maybe someone else can confirm this…I heard that all the pictures that were on Ocho Cinco’s shoes before the game were of him scoring against the Colts. So not only were the shoes picture books, but the pictures themselves were specific to the opponent (the Colts).[/quote]

    I saw at least one pick of him scoring against Baltimore.

  • Kenny | December 19, 2006 at 10:41 am |

    [quote comment=”31272″][quote comment=”31266″][quote comment=”31263″]More on games played where they aren’t normally played–The Emerald Bowl is held in San Francisco each year at Pac Bell Park which is designed solely for baseball use.

    http://www.emeraldbo...
    Since when did New Mexico and Navy play in the Emerald Bowl?[/quote]

    In 2004. Notice all the Midshipmen? The Academy actually reimburses them for flying to bowl games sometimes. Not sure if this was one of those years. I know they did in 2003 with the EV1.Net bowl.[/quote]

    I remember watching this game and Navy had the ball for like 16 minutes during 1 drive in this game

  • WVU Tom | December 19, 2006 at 10:42 am |

    [quote comment=”31275″][quote comment=”31248″]Maybe someone else can confirm this…I heard that all the pictures that were on Ocho Cinco’s shoes before the game were of him scoring against the Colts. So not only were the shoes picture books, but the pictures themselves were specific to the opponent (the Colts).[/quote]

    I saw at least one pick of him scoring against Baltimore.[/quote]

    sorry, that’s “pic”, as in short for “picture”.

  • todd krevanchi | December 19, 2006 at 10:43 am |

    [quote comment=”31255″]One interesting thing that I’m sure Krevanch will catch, the floor is painted for the Phoenix Mercury of the WNBA. Quick Google search didn’t turn up pics. Unless they borrowed the floor… “Umm it’s a little damp, our bad.”[/quote]

    youre right i did catch that.

    you will notice that when an “out of town” team plays in an nba/wnba arena or when the local college team uses that same nba/wnba arena for a big game, the teams virtually NEVER use the NBA teams floor and uses the wnba floor.

    If you have ever watched the AND 1 mix tape tour, they always play on the wnba court when in an nba city.

    a team like villanova however, who plays an established allotment of games per year at the nearest nba arena (wachovia) has invested in floor inserts to replace that of the “logo’ed” nba team portion.

    my question is how will that rain affect that floor? even if it was a slight drizzle, im sure it is not designed for any type of precipitation.

  • Rasputin | December 19, 2006 at 10:44 am |

    With all the hassle you gave Mount Union, I figured you’d be giving my old alma mater a verbal whooping too after seeing their uniforms.

    Go Rowan! Buffalo Bills of D-III!

  • Pantherfid | December 19, 2006 at 10:53 am |

    I always wondered where Paul’s love of stripes came from…

    Could it be from the cool uniforms he saw in his youth?

    Or was it from viewing something else in his early teens?

  • Steve | December 19, 2006 at 11:07 am |

    At the 1936 Berlin Olympics, the first in which basketball was a medal sport, the games were played outdoors on a clay court.

  • WVU Tom | December 19, 2006 at 11:09 am |

    [quote comment=”31279″][quote comment=”31255″]One interesting thing that I’m sure Krevanch will catch, the floor is painted for the Phoenix Mercury of the WNBA. Quick Google search didn’t turn up pics. Unless they borrowed the floor… “Umm it’s a little damp, our bad.”[/quote]

    youre right i did catch that.

    you will notice that when an “out of town” team plays in an nba/wnba arena or when the local college team uses that same nba/wnba arena for a big game, the teams virtually NEVER use the NBA teams floor and uses the wnba floor.

    If you have ever watched the AND 1 mix tape tour, they always play on the wnba court when in an nba city.

    a team like villanova however, who plays an established allotment of games per year at the nearest nba arena (wachovia) has invested in floor inserts to replace that of the “logo’ed” nba team portion.

    my question is how will that rain affect that floor? even if it was a slight drizzle, im sure it is not designed for any type of precipitation.[/quote]

    According to this article Paul linked to above, the floor was indeed “borrowed” from the WNBA Phoenix Mercury, who play at US Airways Center, one block away.

  • wooster, oh | December 19, 2006 at 11:12 am |

    [quote comment=”31276″][quote comment=”31272″][quote comment=”31266″][quote comment=”31263″]More on games played where they aren’t normally played–The Emerald Bowl is held in San Francisco each year at Pac Bell Park which is designed solely for baseball use.

    http://www.emeraldbo...
    Since when did New Mexico and Navy play in the Emerald Bowl?[/quote]

    In 2004. Notice all the Midshipmen? The Academy actually reimburses them for flying to bowl games sometimes. Not sure if this was one of those years. I know they did in 2003 with the EV1.Net bowl.[/quote]

    I remember watching this game and Navy had the ball for like 16 minutes during 1 drive in this game[/quote]

    Yup, that was the game. 14 and a half minutes and in resulted in a field goal!

  • Mike | December 19, 2006 at 11:15 am |

    I don’t know what more hockey/basketball games aren’t played outside. Hockey started outside, and street ball (a la Rucker Park) is usually outside.

    There is a story about the famous Cuba, KY high school basketball team, a tiny country school which won the KY state championship during the ’50’s. Supposedly, during warm-ups, one of the players hit a half-court shot. Adolph Rupp happened to be watching, ran over and grabbed the kid by the collar. “How did you do that?” he yelled. The kid (allegedly) said, “It was easy. The wind wasn’t blowin’.”

  • Ken | December 19, 2006 at 11:15 am |

    The Kings and Rangers played an exhibition game at Caesar’s Palace in Las Vegas. I think it was in 1990 or 1991. I seem to remember a huge insect problem.

  • Broker75 | December 19, 2006 at 11:15 am |

    Posted from yesterday: (good post I might add)->From Rovell/CNBC:

    Horrendous Weekend For Brand Jordan:

    Michael Jordan’s Nike brand took a big hit on Saturday. First, we saw the face of Jordan — Denver Nuggets’ Carmelo Anthony — fighting at the end of the game in Madison Square Garden, eventually landing a punch (if you could call it that) on Mardy Collins of the New York Knicks.

    Then, we saw the postgame interview of Terrell Owens after he spit on Falcons cornerback DeAngelo Hall in the Cowboys victory over Atlanta. Owens admitted he spit at Hall, trying to explain to the NFL Network’s Rich Eisen why Hall deserved it, in his Brand Jordan Jumpman headband.

    How Owens is still a Brand Jordan spokesperson is beyond me, though I do find it interesting that if you go to the website, he’s no longer listed as a member of Team Jordan.

    As for Anthony, I think he’s replaced Kobe Bryant as the most conflicted athlete in sports marketing. Does corporate America take a chance on Anthony?

    One minute he’s associated with an extortion plot and “Stop Snitching” and the next minute he’s donating $4.5 million to Syracuse and funding a youth development center in Baltimore.

    Will the real Carmelo Anthony please stand up?

    While Anthony — who is the NBA’s leading per game scorer this year — should be considered in among the league’s most marketable, there’s a sense that he’s a much more risky investment than a LeBron James and Dwyane Wade, and Saturday night certainly didn’t help. Neither will the 10 or so games he’ll now be sitting out.

    -you forgot Kobe Bryant, the sex offender. Kids look up to these (convicts) athletes? Good luck to the ugh,,NBA.

  • jesse | December 19, 2006 at 11:17 am |

    [quote comment=”31266″][quote comment=”31263″]More on games played where they aren’t normally played–The Emerald Bowl is held in San Francisco each year at Pac Bell Park which is designed solely for baseball use.

    http://www.emeraldbo...
    Since when did New Mexico and Navy play in the Emerald Bowl?[/quote]

    2004.

    Are both teams benches on the same sideline? What a strange configuration.

  • Ken | December 19, 2006 at 11:17 am |

    I did a bit of research. It turns out that the insect problem was related to swarming locusts.

  • Ian K | December 19, 2006 at 11:18 am |

    [quote comment=”31273″][quote comment=”31263″]More on games played where they aren’t normally played–The Emerald Bowl is held in San Francisco each year at Pac Bell Park which is designed solely for baseball use.

    http://www.emeraldbo...
    The Insight Bowl is played at Chase Field in Phoenix or at least it was until this year. The same place as the Scum Devils b’ball game last night.[/quote]

    I remember Chase Field/BOB was designed with events other than baseball in mind. It was a publicly-financed stadium for the most part, and the fact that sticks in my head is that “85% of seats are located between the foul poles” (from Ballparks.com. It commonly holds concerts and other events (monster truck rallies?)

    But the news that Pac Bell hosts the Emerald Bowl was news to me…I always assumed it was at Candlestick.

  • bg | December 19, 2006 at 11:19 am |

    Why they make such an issue on his shoes when the rest of the Bengals uni is so….’busy,’…is beyond me. No matter- look how much time RBK got on the tube. They KNEW he wouldn’t be allowed to wear ’em- (see Jordan, Michael; Nike made hay out of the fact the first Air Jordan’s were banned by the NBA.)

  • Dan | December 19, 2006 at 11:25 am |

    Does anyone know if they replace the turf at Chase Field annually? I know they’ve had trouble growing grass there, and it looks terrible in that picture, like half of it is dead.

  • Broker75 | December 19, 2006 at 11:26 am |

    The NBA was more respectful when #33 played for the Celtics. Since then Jordan came in the league, performed amazing acts that nobody ever saw before, but it was still clean. Today the NBA is just happy to get through a game without players going into the fans and fighting people who pay top $$ to watch these goons.
    What’s next, putting up a cage that surround the players so they won’t spill into the fans? That’s where most of them belong anyways, behind bars.

  • Smail | December 19, 2006 at 11:35 am |

    [quote comment=”31275″][quote comment=”31248″]Maybe someone else can confirm this…I heard that all the pictures that were on Ocho Cinco’s shoes before the game were of him scoring against the Colts. So not only were the shoes picture books, but the pictures themselves were specific to the opponent (the Colts).[/quote]

    I saw at least one pick of him scoring against Baltimore.[/quote]

    Yeah, Baltimore’s on outside of the right shoe, and it looks like the Tintans and Raiders are on there too. Can’t see the left shoe well enough from the pictures posted.

  • Broker75 | December 19, 2006 at 11:35 am |

    [quote comment=”31228″]Here’s a picture from the frozen trundra game.
    http://media.scout.c...
    Looks like they sold out, I think the NHL just found another city to go to, let’s take the Florida Panthers out, and bring them to Wisconsin!

  • Banker Bill | December 19, 2006 at 11:37 am |

    [quote comment=”31298″]The NBA was more respectful when #33 played for the Celtics. Since then Jordan came in the league, performed amazing acts that nobody ever saw before, but it was still clean. Today the NBA is just happy to get through a game without players going into the fans and fighting people who pay top $$ to watch these goons.
    What’s next, putting up a cage that surround the players so they won’t spill into the fans? That’s where most of them belong anyways, behind bars.[/quote]

    I don’t see that as a viable option…although the proliferation of “streetball” style and antics might warrant it. I just laughed when Nate Robinson said they were getting their noses rubbed in it, yet when he showboated on a dunk, got called for a walk, and was told not to do it again, he said “I may do it again…if we’re up by 20.” I will say – I watched a little of the Knicks/Jazz game last night…didn’t mind the Jazz powder blue unis.

  • Stuby | December 19, 2006 at 11:37 am |

    [quote comment=”31263″]More on games played where they aren’t normally played–The Emerald Bowl is held in San Francisco each year at Pac Bell Park which is designed solely for baseball use.

    http://www.emeraldbo...
    Come on now, Pac Bell Park was two names ago. I think its SBC Park now after a brief stint as AT&T…nevermind, who really gives a crap.

  • Thorold Blair | December 19, 2006 at 11:39 am |

    [quote comment=”31222″]Here are more pictures. You will notice that both teams are wearing a special patch: MSU on the left shoulder and MU on the right shoulder.
    http://www.cqql.net/...

    Ohio State and Wisconsin also played outdoors — on the (really) frozen tundra at Lambeau Field — a few years ago. I’ll try to find some pictures.[/quote]

    Look at the first picture with the three goalies. The first goalie, who if i’m not mistaken is Buffalo Hairpiece goalie Ryan Miller, has eye black on.

  • RIch | December 19, 2006 at 11:39 am |

    Treasure trove of Colorado stuff here:


  • ashuman | December 19, 2006 at 11:39 am |

    Boths teams are on one sideline during the Emerald Bowl.

    That Navy drive by the way was the longest drive in terms of time in NCAA History. I believe they started at their own 1yd line at the start of the fourth quarter and then kicked a field goal with 30secs left in the game. 14:30. Gotta love the Flex Bone.

    I believe both teams were also on the same sideline during the now defunct Seattle Bowl which was played at the Mariners ballpark.

  • maximumK | December 19, 2006 at 11:40 am |

    [quote comment=”31295″]Why they make such an issue on his shoes when the rest of the Bengals uni is so….’busy,’…is beyond me. No matter- look how much time RBK got on the tube. They KNEW he wouldn’t be allowed to wear ’em- (see Jordan, Michael; Nike made hay out of the fact the first Air Jordan’s were banned by the NBA.)[/quote]

    Yeah, the Bengals’ unis are ridiculous. They showed a clip of Chad missing some catch a few years ago against the Colts. The Bengals still had the tiger-pattern ridiculousness on the pants, but the jersey had Chargers-style shoulder stripes with the tiger pattern and black block numbers with orange outlines. Those looked so much sharper than the drop shadows and inconsistent side stripes and whatever else is wrong with the Bengals’ current uniforms.

    Also, how long until we get to buy the RBK CJ85 (yeah, I made that up. Reebok should really pay me for that) football cleats with stupid tiger stripes and picture frame ankle supports?

  • RIch | December 19, 2006 at 11:41 am |
  • Andy (#11) | December 19, 2006 at 11:42 am |

    [quote comment=”31298″]The NBA was more respectful when #33 played for the Celtics. Since then Jordan came in the league, performed amazing acts that nobody ever saw before, but it was still clean. Today the NBA is just happy to get through a game without players going into the fans and fighting people who pay top $$ to watch these goons.
    What’s next, putting up a cage that surround the players so they won’t spill into the fans? That’s where most of them belong anyways, behind bars.[/quote]

    Yeah, the league was so respectful and clean when Bird played

  • ashuman | December 19, 2006 at 11:42 am |

    More on that Navy drive,

    From its 1-yard line with 1:41 left in the third quarter following a rousing goal-line stand, to the New Mexico 5-yard line with 2:15 left in the fourth, Navy took 26 plays to go 94 yards and used up a staggering 14 minutes, 26 seconds — all for a lousy 22-yard field goal.

  • Metsfan AZ | December 19, 2006 at 11:42 am |

    [quote comment=”31297″]Does anyone know if they replace the turf at Chase Field annually? I know they’ve had trouble growing grass there, and it looks terrible in that picture, like half of it is dead.[/quote]
    I assume so, they killed it once when N’Sync? played multiple nights on a stage set up in centerfield.
    One of the neat features of the new University of Phoenix stadium in Glendale is that the turf is on trays that roll outside for optimal growing.

  • matt c | December 19, 2006 at 11:45 am |

    [quote comment=”31238″]Nike’s apparently selling BCS Championship Game jerseys now.[/quote]

    Looks like they’re in the wrong color – Ohio State is wearing their white jerseys in the championship game, though I’m sure Nike doesn’t care.

  • al | December 19, 2006 at 11:49 am |

    [quote comment=”31290″]The Kings and Rangers played an exhibition game at Caesar’s Palace in Las Vegas. I think it was in 1990 or 1991. I seem to remember a huge insect problem.[/quote]

    Marty McSorley or Barry Melrose?

  • Dave S | December 19, 2006 at 11:51 am |

    According to a report on NFL.com, the Bengals are considering a uniform redesign. They showed some preliminary skecthes, check them out.

    http://i7.photobucke...

  • Jerry | December 19, 2006 at 11:52 am |

    [quote comment=”31222″]Here are more pictures. You will notice that both teams are wearing a special patch: MSU on the left shoulder and MU on the right shoulder.
    http://www.cqql.net/...

    Ohio State and Wisconsin also played outdoors — on the (really) frozen tundra at Lambeau Field — a few years ago. I’ll try to find some pictures.[/quote]

    First of all it’s UM not MU for Michigan.

    Wisconsin and Ohio State played at Lambeau Field on February 11, 2006. It was a balmy 38 degrees at game time.

    Bundling up for 52 degress, hell, that’s shirt sleeve weather at Lambeau.

  • Pat | December 19, 2006 at 11:54 am |

    [quote comment=”31298″]The NBA was more respectful when #33 played for the Celtics. Since then Jordan came in the league, performed amazing acts that nobody ever saw before, but it was still clean. Today the NBA is just happy to get through a game without players going into the fans and fighting people who pay top $$ to watch these goons.
    What’s next, putting up a cage that surround the players so they won’t spill into the fans? That’s where most of them belong anyways, behind bars.[/quote]

    Gee, have a little racism on your mind? NBA players are no more wrong with their actions than MLB players, NHL players and NFL players yet everybody thinks that NBA players are punks. Is it because they are flashy off the court (which is not illegal by the way). Is it because they are cocky and showboat (what the heck are NFL players then). MLB players have been cheating and taking steroids for years. NBA players fight about once a season and everybody throws a hissy fit. How many times do pitchers purposely throw at players and incite brawls? How many times do NHL players fight for no good reason. It seems to me that the NBA has the least amount of confrontations out of any of the major sports yet they take the most grief for it.

    I am the biggest Celtics fan you will ever meet but even I know that Larry Bird was an asshole. He wasn’t close to respectful on the court. NBA games were much more violent in the 80s. The Hawks and Celtics got into a scuffle and Danny Ainge (supposedly) bit Tree Rollins. Kevin Mchale clotheslined Kurt Rambis and wasn’t even kicked out of the game, it actually inspired his team to come back and win the series. Larry Bird and Dr. J had eachother by the necks and Bird threw a punch at him. But today the players are punks because one isolated incident which was blown WAY out of proportion by ESPN and every other news channel that called it a “brawl.” One really wimpy punch was thrown and then the puncher ran away in the other direction like a wuss. But most of the players on the floor were young, cocky, flashy, rich black athletes so they are immediately labeled punks while Larry Bird is “respectable.” Does that make any sense to you?

  • Metsfan AZ | December 19, 2006 at 11:56 am |

    [quote comment=”31316″][quote comment=”31222″]Here are more pictures. You will notice that both teams are wearing a special patch: MSU on the left shoulder and MU on the right shoulder.
    http://www.cqql.net/...

    Ohio State and Wisconsin also played outdoors — on the (really) frozen tundra at Lambeau Field — a few years ago. I’ll try to find some pictures.[/quote]

    First of all it’s UM not MU for Michigan.

    Wisconsin and Ohio State played at Lambeau Field on February 11, 2006. It was a balmy 38 degrees at game time.

    Bundling up for 52 degress, hell, that’s shirt sleeve weather at Lambeau.[/quote]
    Blood gets thinner once you’re out here awhile.

  • Jerry | December 19, 2006 at 11:57 am |

    [quote comment=”31231″]This picture from the Frozen Tundra game shows a goalie wearing a toque. But my guess is that this is the backup and he wore the cap on the bench to keep warm.
    http://www.thefan107...

    That is correct. He is walk-on goaltender Jeff Hendrickson

  • Broker75 | December 19, 2006 at 11:59 am |

    [quote comment=”31309″][quote comment=”31298″]The NBA was more respectful when #33 played for the Celtics. Since then Jordan came in the league, performed amazing acts that nobody ever saw before, but it was still clean. Today the NBA is just happy to get through a game without players going into the fans and fighting people who pay top $$ to watch these goons.
    What’s next, putting up a cage that surround the players so they won’t spill into the fans? That’s where most of them belong anyways, behind bars.[/quote]

    Yeah, the league was so respectful and clean when Bird played…[/quote]
    haha! ohh…that one guy has Larry in a head lock. I guess respect and the NBA just don’t mix.
    But seriously though, the NBA has a tough time keeping these goons under control as it is, and isn’t Anthony one of the “faces” of that league?, then he pulls off something dirty and cheap like that?? come on. I really can’t see athletes like Wayne Gretzky or Brett Favre or Derek Jeter pull off something dirty/cheap like this. Isaih Thomas isn’t innocent either, now there’s a dirty rotten scoundrel.

  • Pat | December 19, 2006 at 12:07 pm |

    [quote]I really can’t see athletes like Wayne Gretzky or Brett Favre or Derek Jeter pull off something dirty/cheap like this.[/quote]

    I’m sure Todd Bertuzzi, Albert Belle, and Bill Romanowski are all upstanding citizens in your mind too right? It’s only NBA players that do wrong in this glorious sports world, right?

  • Brian | December 19, 2006 at 12:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”31251″]Actually, I thought that Johnson changed his shoes twice–during warmups, he was wearing the tiger-stripes shoes with the photograhs, then in the first quarter of the game, he was wearing black shoes with a gray sole, and then when the Bengals took the field in the second quarter, he had changed his shoes again to white shoes with orange soles.[/quote]

    Maybe Chad should spend a little more time practicing catching his passcatching and a little less time worrying about his shoes. Those weren’t his feet dropping passes last night – they were his hands.

  • Broker75 | December 19, 2006 at 12:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”31317″][quote comment=”31298″]The NBA was more respectful when #33 played for the Celtics. Since then Jordan came in the league, performed amazing acts that nobody ever saw before, but it was still clean. Today the NBA is just happy to get through a game without players going into the fans and fighting people who pay top $$ to watch these goons.
    What’s next, putting up a cage that surround the players so they won’t spill into the fans? That’s where most of them belong anyways, behind bars.[/quote]

    Gee, have a little racism on your mind? NBA players are no more wrong with their actions than MLB players, NHL players and NFL players yet everybody thinks that NBA players are punks. Is it because they are flashy off the court (which is not illegal by the way). Is it because they are cocky and showboat (what the heck are NFL players then). MLB players have been cheating and taking steroids for years. NBA players fight about once a season and everybody throws a hissy fit. How many times do pitchers purposely throw at players and incite brawls? How many times do NHL players fight for no good reason. It seems to me that the NBA has the least amount of confrontations out of any of the major sports yet they take the most grief for it.

    I am the biggest Celtics fan you will ever meet but even I know that Larry Bird was an asshole. He wasn’t close to respectful on the court. NBA games were much more violent in the 80s. The Hawks and Celtics got into a scuffle and Danny Ainge (supposedly) bit Tree Rollins. Kevin Mchale clotheslined Kurt Rambis and wasn’t even kicked out of the game, it actually inspired his team to come back and win the series. Larry Bird and Dr. J had eachother by the necks and Bird threw a punch at him. But today the players are punks because one isolated incident which was blown WAY out of proportion by ESPN and every other news channel that called it a “brawl.” One really wimpy punch was thrown and then the puncher ran away in the other direction like a wuss. But most of the players on the floor were young, cocky, flashy, rich black athletes so they are immediately labeled punks while Larry Bird is “respectable.” Does that make any sense to you?[/quote]
    Your first line said it all:”have a little racism on your mind?” I stopped reading after that, let’s get serious.

  • maximumK | December 19, 2006 at 12:19 pm |

    I don’t think NBA brawls were all that big a deal until the Pacers-Pistons thing two years ago. I remember when Jeff Van Gundy would throw himself into on-court brawls and we’d all laugh because he’s so damn short and he’s trying to break up fight’s between 6-8, 240 lb. guys.

    I, for one, really hate basteball fights because of the resultant damage to the uniforms. The jerseys always get stretched to the point where they look like women’s low-cut tops afterwards. Waste of about $150 worth of jersey.

  • dchis | December 19, 2006 at 12:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”31323″][quote]I really can’t see athletes like Wayne Gretzky or Brett Favre or Derek Jeter pull off something dirty/cheap like this.[/quote]

    I’m sure Todd Bertuzzi, Albert Belle, and Bill Romanowski are all upstanding citizens in your mind too right? It’s only NBA players that do wrong in this glorious sports world, right?[/quote]

    The biggest prroblem that the NBA faces with trouble either on the court or off is that they have the fewest amount of players in the league than the NHL, MLB, or NFL. So their percentages of problems is worse. Like this summer when Stephen Jackson and 3 teammates were in a bar fight and he pulled out a gun in the parking lot because he was almost ran over by a car. The problem here is that it’s magnified because this happened to atleast 25% of the team. The NBA only allows 15 roster spots and only 12 dress every game. The NFL has 55 roster spots plus a practice squad, MLB has 25 plus the minor leagues and I’m not sure how many roster spots the NHL has but I know that every night they dress 18 plus 2 goalies and most teams carry well more than that on their rosters.

  • Broker75 | December 19, 2006 at 12:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”31323″][quote]I really can’t see athletes like Wayne Gretzky or Brett Favre or Derek Jeter pull off something dirty/cheap like this.[/quote]

    I’m sure Todd Bertuzzi, Albert Belle, and Bill Romanowski are all upstanding citizens in your mind too right? It’s only NBA players that do wrong in this glorious sports world, right?[/quote]
    Did you not get the similarities between the athletes I mentioned? THEY’RE ALL FACES OF THERE RESPECTABLE LEAGUES.

  • Richard | December 19, 2006 at 12:21 pm |

    AND NOW BACK TO UNIFORMS…

  • Broker75 | December 19, 2006 at 12:24 pm |

    Like this summer when Stephen Jackson and 3 teammates were in a bar fight and he pulled out a gun in the parking lot
    geez, do those NBA’ers ever stop :P

  • maximumK | December 19, 2006 at 12:29 pm |

    Everyone’s making such a big stink about Ocenta y Cinco’s shoes, but what about his French soccer jersey and shiny red soccer ball that he was messing around with on the field instead of practicing how to not drop an American football?

  • Pat | December 19, 2006 at 12:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”31330″][quote comment=”31323″][quote]I really can’t see athletes like Wayne Gretzky or Brett Favre or Derek Jeter pull off something dirty/cheap like this.[/quote]

    I’m sure Todd Bertuzzi, Albert Belle, and Bill Romanowski are all upstanding citizens in your mind too right? It’s only NBA players that do wrong in this glorious sports world, right?[/quote]
    Did you not get the similarities between the athletes I mentioned? THEY’RE ALL FACES OF THERE RESPECTABLE LEAGUES.[/quote]

    Carmelo Anthony, Nate Robinson, JR Smith, Jared Jeffries, and others are not the face of the NBA either. Lebron James and Dwyane Wade are CLEARLY the faces of the NBA right now.

    And yea, Broker75, I do think that there is a hint of racism in your comment and everyone else’s overreaction to this incident. Nobody goes crazy when benches clear in a baseball game. They don’t discuss the moral issues with the players involved for over a week. But, there happen to be a lot more white players in major league baseball than the NBA.

    I’m not going to argue the racism/not racism issue with this incident but I see a little bit of a double standard in the two sports. And, as a huge NBA fan, take offense to your “That’s where most of them belong anyways, behind bars” comment.

  • Teebz | December 19, 2006 at 12:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”31323″]
    I’m sure Todd Bertuzzi, Albert Belle, and Bill Romanowski are all upstanding citizens in your mind too right? It’s only NBA players that do wrong in this glorious sports world, right?[/quote]

    In no way am I defending any of the men listed in the quote above, but, Pat, have you seen the Bertuzzi incident? It is far different than the Nuggets-Knicks brawl. Stop with the comparisons of completely different sports and situations. Each are isolated incidents with no correlation to each other.

  • Broker75 | December 19, 2006 at 12:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”31334″][quote comment=”31330″][quote comment=”31323″][quote]I really can’t see athletes like Wayne Gretzky or Brett Favre or Derek Jeter pull off something dirty/cheap like this.[/quote]

    I’m sure Todd Bertuzzi, Albert Belle, and Bill Romanowski are all upstanding citizens in your mind too right? It’s only NBA players that do wrong in this glorious sports world, right?[/quote]
    Did you not get the similarities between the athletes I mentioned? THEY’RE ALL FACES OF THERE RESPECTABLE LEAGUES.[/quote]

    Carmelo Anthony, Nate Robinson, JR Smith, Jared Jeffries, and others are not the face of the NBA either. Lebron James and Dwyane Wade are CLEARLY the faces of the NBA right now.

    And yea, Broker75, I do think that there is a hint of racism in your comment and everyone else’s overreaction to this incident. Nobody goes crazy when benches clear in a baseball game. They don’t discuss the moral issues with the players involved for over a week. But, there happen to be a lot more white players in major league baseball than the NBA.

    I’m not going to argue the racism/not racism issue with this incident but I see a little bit of a double standard in the two sports. And, as a huge NBA fan, take offense to your “That’s where most of them belong anyways, behind bars” comment.[/quote]
    It sounds like you are r*****, what with comparing whites and blacks. If this conversation goes in the r***** direction, have a good life pat. I don’t speak that language.

  • Johnny | December 19, 2006 at 12:40 pm |

    I think “N.” (#6) is correct — Jammer’s Reebok logo has a grass stain. Either that or it’s an effect of the lighting/photo. Evidence: this photo from before the game (which I got from this slideshow) shows the Reebok logo on Jammer’s shoulder pristine and white.

  • Nick C | December 19, 2006 at 12:42 pm |

    A basketball rain delay is worthy of note? Pikers! in 1986, the Sonics-Suns game was called for rain indoors at the Seattle Coliseum (now Key Arena). We know from rain up here in the mossy corner of the country.

  • Pat | December 19, 2006 at 12:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”31335″][quote comment=”31323″]
    I’m sure Todd Bertuzzi, Albert Belle, and Bill Romanowski are all upstanding citizens in your mind too right? It’s only NBA players that do wrong in this glorious sports world, right?[/quote]

    In no way am I defending any of the men listed in the quote above, but, Pat, have you seen the Bertuzzi incident? It is far different than the Nuggets-Knicks brawl. Stop with the comparisons of completely different sports and situations. Each are isolated incidents with no correlation to each other.[/quote]

    I wasn’t comparing incidents. I was comparing character. I don’t know anything about Bertuzzi outside of this one incident, though, so if he is a great humanitarian consider this my apology to him. The others are not. My point was questionable characters exist in all sports not just the NBA, yet one isolated situation occurs in the NBA and people throw a fit and ESPN has 24-7 coverage. People seem too quick to judge NBA players and hesitant to judge other sports stars (with, obviously, a few exceptions).

  • Pat | December 19, 2006 at 12:48 pm |

    [quote]It sounds like you are r*****, what with comparing whites and blacks. If this conversation goes in the r***** direction, have a good life pat. I don’t speak that language.[/quote]

    Good job, Broker, me trying to equal blame between whites and blacks make me a racist. Sorry to bring enlightened conversation to the board and not saying “they all belong behind bars.” I’ll stop now.

  • Paul Lukas | December 19, 2006 at 12:52 pm |

    Today’s ESPN column is up.

  • Pat | December 19, 2006 at 1:11 pm |

    Great article. I never would have known there was a humanitarian side to Nike. If they start marketing a line of Nike branded hijabs though, it may be a problem. But I would think (or hope?) they would be a little they would be a little more respectful.

  • Banker Bill | December 19, 2006 at 1:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”31317″][quote comment=”31298″]The NBA was more respectful when #33 played for the Celtics. Since then Jordan came in the league, performed amazing acts that nobody ever saw before, but it was still clean. Today the NBA is just happy to get through a game without players going into the fans and fighting people who pay top $$ to watch these goons.
    What’s next, putting up a cage that surround the players so they won’t spill into the fans? That’s where most of them belong anyways, behind bars.[/quote]

    Gee, have a little racism on your mind? NBA players are no more wrong with their actions than MLB players, NHL players and NFL players yet everybody thinks that NBA players are punks. Is it because they are flashy off the court (which is not illegal by the way). Is it because they are cocky and showboat (what the heck are NFL players then). MLB players have been cheating and taking steroids for years. NBA players fight about once a season and everybody throws a hissy fit. How many times do pitchers purposely throw at players and incite brawls? How many times do NHL players fight for no good reason. It seems to me that the NBA has the least amount of confrontations out of any of the major sports yet they take the most grief for it.

    I am the biggest Celtics fan you will ever meet but even I know that Larry Bird was an asshole. He wasn’t close to respectful on the court. NBA games were much more violent in the 80s. The Hawks and Celtics got into a scuffle and Danny Ainge (supposedly) bit Tree Rollins. Kevin Mchale clotheslined Kurt Rambis and wasn’t even kicked out of the game, it actually inspired his team to come back and win the series. Larry Bird and Dr. J had eachother by the necks and Bird threw a punch at him. But today the players are punks because one isolated incident which was blown WAY out of proportion by ESPN and every other news channel that called it a “brawl.” One really wimpy punch was thrown and then the puncher ran away in the other direction like a wuss. But most of the players on the floor were young, cocky, flashy, rich black athletes so they are immediately labeled punks while Larry Bird is “respectable.” Does that make any sense to you?[/quote]

    The NBA athletes seem to thrive on the “tough guy” image and as far as hockey goes, when 2 guys start fighting, 99% of the time, everybody backs off and lets them go as opposed to jumping in and making it worse.

    Did the comment hint at racism? Perhaps. Unfortunately, perception is reality to a lot of people. It’s like I tell my 10 year old who likes baggy skateboarder clothes “I know you’re not a punk and you know you’re not a punk, but if you choose to LOOK like one, people will assume you ARE one. The NBA is a showboat league – has been for a long time. The players seem to forget that it is a “team” game and care about “What am I getting paid?” and “How many shots am I getting?” to market the name on the back instead of the name on the front. And don’t tell me it’s about “sticking up for your teammates” – the only person in that whole thing who was sticking up for a teammate was Jared Jeffries, who only went after ‘Melo after ‘Melo threw the bitch-slap at Collins. If ‘Melo had any smarts at all, he’d realize “Why did I just waste almost 20% of my season on Mardy Collins?” I think the whole thing was ridiculous – and let’s not call it a riot either – it was a fight. A riot is what happens at soccer games in the fans when people go crazy. This was a fight.

    Either way – the NBA got it all wrong and Stern needs to back up his words – if this crap keeps up, ban the players for life.

  • Dane | December 19, 2006 at 1:19 pm |

    Gregg Easterbrook, the Tuesday Morning Quarterback, has a few comments about the Jets uniforms – and I don’t think too many people here will agree with him.

    Why aren’t they generating excitement? I think the reason is their look. Jersey/B explicably (sic) continues to play in 1847 throwback uniforms plus black shoes — the antiquated unis and black shoes make the Jets appear to be the slowest-looking team in the NFL. The Jets’ appearance projects monotony; maybe this is what Mangini wants.

  • todd krevanchi | December 19, 2006 at 1:19 pm |

    the whole knicks thing goes way beyond the fight. that whole organization and its management (to be read isiah thomas) is circus and an embarrassment to the league. the knicks are one of the most storied organizations in all of american organized sport. they were competing for the nba title as recently as 7 years ago, and now this organization is the laughing stock of its city and league. then this fight happens! if im on that team, a veteran and maybe have had a quiet, yoemans career in the nba, i would have walked off the court and made a public statement about the organization and how out of control it is. yeah, it might be career suicide, but heck, who wants to be associated with something like what is going on at msg.

  • Brian | December 19, 2006 at 1:26 pm |

    Reading the article about players not wearing chinstraps in warm-ups got made me remember seeing a QB (I thought Brad Johnson for some reason) who would clip the 4 point low strap around the back of the helmet to keep it out of the way, no pictures, just something I’ve noticed on TV.

  • Paul Lukas | December 19, 2006 at 1:35 pm |

    Racism is not an off-limits topic here per se, as long as it’s uni-related (see: Nigger Island baseball uniforms). But if you want to get into the “character issue” and who belongs behind bars and which league has more of a problem, please just call your local sports talk radio station and keep this web site uni-related. Thanks.

  • Tape | December 19, 2006 at 1:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”31292″]
    Are both teams benches on the same sideline? What a strange configuration.[/quote]

    the Packers used to play 2 home games every year at Milwaukee County Stadium, throught my childhood (i.e. the 80s). I think they stopped this in the mid-90s or so, but I can’t remember when they stopped exactly.

    anyway. because of the football field layout they had to use at County Stadium, both teams had to be on the same side of the field. IIRC, one of the sidelines was within 10-15 feet or so of the third base-line wall for a good chunk of the field’s length. Fairly similar to that Emerald Bowl picture, but even closer to the wall.

  • maximumK | December 19, 2006 at 1:40 pm |

    Ah, I always wondered what made Sonny Jurgenson so ridiculous (for the uninitiated, listen to a Redskis radio broadcast sometime. This guy was Terry Bradshaw before Fox NFL Sunday ever existed). I guess having your helmet knocked off every time you’re hit will make you lose a few brain cells.

    Also, now that I’ve looked at it several times, the nike-hijab isn’t all that bad. Kinda makes her look like a football player with the whole side logo thing.

  • maximumK | December 19, 2006 at 1:42 pm |

    whoops. Sonny Jurgenson does color commentary for the redSKINS, not the redSKIS.

    “I need spell check for this pen…” -Jim Gaffigan

  • John | December 19, 2006 at 1:43 pm |

    Anyone else notice in the ESPN article that John Hall is wearing a belt buckle cover similar to what the Titans have been wearing this season?

    John Hall belt buckle

  • Seattle Matt | December 19, 2006 at 1:43 pm |

    Today’s Uniwatch column reminds me of these:

    Nike Yarmulke

    Puma Yarmulke

    Mac Yarmulke

  • maximumK | December 19, 2006 at 1:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”31357″]Today’s Uniwatch column reminds me of these:

    Nike Yarmulke

    Puma Yarmulke

    Mac Yarmulke[/quote]

    Hey, Seattle Matt, where did you find those, and is it possible to purchase one? I have a Jewish friend who is a Mac IT consultant, and I got a real kick out of that last one.

  • Tape | December 19, 2006 at 1:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”31357″]Today’s Uniwatch column reminds me of these:

    Nike Yarmulke

    Puma Yarmulke

    Mac Yarmulke[/quote]

    Lids for Yids. ha! that’s great.

  • maximumK | December 19, 2006 at 1:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”31359″][quote comment=”31357″]Today’s Uniwatch column reminds me of these:

    Nike Yarmulke

    Puma Yarmulke

    Mac Yarmulke[/quote]

    Hey, Seattle Matt, where did you find those, and is it possible to purchase one? I have a Jewish friend who is a Mac IT consultant, and I got a real kick out of that last one.[/quote]

    ah, n/m. I went to the site and, sadly, no purchasing.

  • MPM | December 19, 2006 at 1:53 pm |

    Somewhat off-topic from today’s column, but I was browsing on the CNNSI site and found a listing of (in)famous brawls. Good pic of Pudge wearing one of the Brimless Catcher’s helmet while Ryan noogies Robin Ventura.

  • Teebz | December 19, 2006 at 1:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”31340″]
    My point was questionable characters exist in all sports not just the NBA, yet one isolated situation occurs in the NBA and people throw a fit and ESPN has 24-7 coverage.[/quote]

    I agree, but is the problem the media scrutiny or the public who gets their news from the media who have obvious right-wing and left-wing tendancies? ESPN is a highly-watched sporting news source on TV, and operates a pretty well-read website, so the fact that it was plastered all over ESPN’s various media outlets only results in millions of people having a reaction.

    I don’t think this issue has anything to do with race, and I will never blame race as a cause for an all-out brawl on the court unless someone on the court makes it about race (this should NEVER happen in today’s society).

    The problem with the NBA, unlike hockey and football and baseball, is that the fans are right there at courtside. If anyone wanted to have joined in the brawl, they could have. The NBA prides itself on the interactive “fan experience” by bringing the action right to your seat, but in not having boards or walls to hold the fans back, the MSG brawl could have become another Palace of Auburn Hills when the brawl spilled into the first few rows of seats.

    Back the original question… who is to blame? Those that are involved in the fight are to blame, regardless of creed or colour. David Stern made that clear in his conference call yesterday. I know Charles Barkley said that he is “not a role model”, but he is a role model and he knew it. That’s why it caused such outrage in 1993 because Barkley was a role model at the time, much the same way that the league is pushing ‘Melo as the new breed in the same breath as LeBron. Carmelo Anthony is a role model… and, as such, he needs to set a better example for the generations of tomorrow who look up to him.

  • Tom K | December 19, 2006 at 2:02 pm |

    I hate the security code thingy

  • Tom K | December 19, 2006 at 2:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”31356″]Anyone else notice in the ESPN article that John Hall is wearing a belt buckle cover similar to what the Titans have been wearing this season?

    John Hall belt buckle[/quote]

    All the jets have those belt buckles im not sure how many actually wear them

  • todd krevanchi | December 19, 2006 at 2:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”31298″]
    What’s next, putting up a cage that surround the players so they won’t spill into the fans? [/quote]

    interestingly enough, thats what used to be the case, and which is why hoops players are oft referred to as cagers in print media.
    http://en.wikipedia....
    http://www.capitalce...

  • dchis | December 19, 2006 at 2:13 pm |

    Paul,

    Something interesting I saw in your article, which was very good. The pic of Favre with the Falcons not only has a four point chinstrap but also has Air brand helmet and Air brand chinstrap, but the biggest thing is Favre’s choice of facemask. He has predominatel worn this 3-bar facemask during his career and the facemask with the Falcons is one normally found on running backs, wide receivers, and defensive backs. I can’t think of another quaterback who wore this type of facemask in the NFL or NCAA.

  • Pat | December 19, 2006 at 2:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”31364″][quote comment=”31340″]
    My point was questionable characters exist in all sports not just the NBA, yet one isolated situation occurs in the NBA and people throw a fit and ESPN has 24-7 coverage.[/quote]

    I agree, but is the problem the media scrutiny or the public who gets their news from the media who have obvious right-wing and left-wing tendancies? ESPN is a highly-watched sporting news source on TV, and operates a pretty well-read website, so the fact that it was plastered all over ESPN’s various media outlets only results in millions of people having a reaction.

    I don’t think this issue has anything to do with race, and I will never blame race as a cause for an all-out brawl on the court unless someone on the court makes it about race (this should NEVER happen in today’s society).

    The problem with the NBA, unlike hockey and football and baseball, is that the fans are right there at courtside. If anyone wanted to have joined in the brawl, they could have. The NBA prides itself on the interactive “fan experience” by bringing the action right to your seat, but in not having boards or walls to hold the fans back, the MSG brawl could have become another Palace of Auburn Hills when the brawl spilled into the first few rows of seats.

    Back the original question… who is to blame? Those that are involved in the fight are to blame, regardless of creed or colour. David Stern made that clear in his conference call yesterday. I know Charles Barkley said that he is “not a role model”, but he is a role model and he knew it. That’s why it caused such outrage in 1993 because Barkley was a role model at the time, much the same way that the league is pushing ‘Melo as the new breed in the same breath as LeBron. Carmelo Anthony is a role model… and, as such, he needs to set a better example for the generations of tomorrow who look up to him.[/quote]

    This is the last I’ll say on this. I think my original argument was misunderstood. I was not saying that it was the readers or viewers that were overreacting (although, to a point, I think they are) I was saying that having it all over ESPN.com having call-in segments from David Stern on ESPN news and the attention it is getting on Sportscenter/Cold Pizza/Around the Horn/PTI is the biggest problem. I know the media controls a lot of what a lot of people think and just by saying something is a big deal people will assume it’s a big deal.

    Banker Bill’s reaction above is one of the problems the NBA has today. Since a lot of people have been turned off by the NBA in general, whether it has to do with their off-court actions, style of play or how they dress (see, I made it uni related!), they don’t really understand much of what goes on in the NBA except what ESPN tells them and the biggest topics are the fights and suspensions, as it is with every sport. Since a lot of people watch football and baseball those athletes are seen much more often and the overall character of the league is able to shine above the scum bags. I won’t bring race into the argument again, but I think that has a lot to do with how the NBA is viewed.

    To say the NBA is a “showboat league” and not condemn the NFL and MLB for the exact same thing is ridiculous. The NFL is just as much a showboat league what with touchdownn celebrations, first down celebrations, broken tackle celebrations, sack celebrations, interception celebrations, big hit celebrations, and so on. But, since it is the most successful American sport at the time people also know the players that make the sport so great. Since there are very few hardcore NBA fans like myself people don’t get introduced to the parts of the NBA that make the game great. It’s sad but true. That’s why you will hear so many people whining about how much better it was in the “old days” and how much better behaved the players were and so forth when in reality you just knew more about the game so the glaring problems didn’t stick out so much.

    Sorry to hijack the board for a period today. Just needed to air my grievances about this problem the NBA has. I’m done now.

  • Josh | December 19, 2006 at 2:21 pm |

    Michigan State played Kentucky at Ford Field a couple of years ago…but it wasn’t outdoors
    Court
    Benches below court level

  • Teebz | December 19, 2006 at 2:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”31377″]
    Sorry to hijack the board for a period today. Just needed to air my grievances about this problem the NBA has. I’m done now.[/quote]

    Hardly hijacking. Honestly, if it doesn’t get brought out into the open and discussed, it will never be resolved.

    I’m not angry or happy or sad at what has been said, although the accusations and mud-slinging should be stopped.

    Good discussion, Pat. By the way, I watch the NBA if there isn’t hockey on. I’d watch it over the NFL any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

  • maximumK | December 19, 2006 at 2:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”31378″]Michigan State played Kentucky at Ford Field a couple of years ago…but it wasn’t outdoors
    Court
    Benches below court level[/quote]

    Can’t wait until the Final Four makes its way into here (scroll down for the basketball setup)

  • Fred | December 19, 2006 at 2:44 pm |

    From today’s edition of TMQ towards the end, Easterbrook writes, “Sominex Bids to Sponsor Upcoming Jets-Raiders Game: The Jets are quietly 8-6 and stand a decent chance at the playoffs in the first season of Eric “I Was a Teenaged Coach” Mangini. Why aren’t they generating excitement? I think the reason is their look. Jersey/B explicably continues to play in 1847 throwback uniforms plus black shoes — the antiquated unis and black shoes make the Jets appear to be the slowest-looking team in the NFL. The Jets’ appearance projects monotony; maybe this is what Mangini wants. Their game plan projects monotony — underneath, underneath, underneath. Maybe that’s what Mangini wants, too. How could an opponent get psyched up for playing the Jets? Maybe that’s what Mangini wants.

    (Bold added by me)

    Thoughts?

  • david | December 19, 2006 at 2:56 pm |

    ok first off..most auburn players wear schutt helmets that is a riddell mask.
    and jammers reebok logo is not gold..he fell..
    so the dirt dirtied up the logo…
    wht would one guy have a gold logo..esp. a gold that is not used on the uniform????

  • matt c | December 19, 2006 at 3:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”31382″]From today’s edition of TMQ towards the end, Easterbrook writes, “Sominex Bids to Sponsor Upcoming Jets-Raiders Game: The Jets are quietly 8-6 and stand a decent chance at the playoffs in the first season of Eric “I Was a Teenaged Coach” Mangini. Why aren’t they generating excitement? I think the reason is their look. Jersey/B explicably continues to play in 1847 throwback uniforms plus black shoes — the antiquated unis and black shoes make the Jets appear to be the slowest-looking team in the NFL. The Jets’ appearance projects monotony; maybe this is what Mangini wants. Their game plan projects monotony — underneath, underneath, underneath. Maybe that’s what Mangini wants, too. How could an opponent get psyched up for playing the Jets? Maybe that’s what Mangini wants.

    (Bold added by me)

    Thoughts?[/quote]

    easterbrook seems to have answered his own question – the jets have flown under the radar because they’re a boring team to watch and haven’t beaten anybody of note, not to mention that the giants get the lion’s share of press in that market. their uniforms don’t have anything to do with it.

    TMQ’s argument doesn’t really hold much water: the jets’ unis don’t look much older than the browns, bears, 49ers, colts, packers, or any other teams with ‘older’ uniforms, and nobody complains about them looking ‘slow.’

    stick to your day job, easterbrook – leave the unis to the experts.

  • Bill T. | December 19, 2006 at 3:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”31311″][quote comment=”31297″]Does anyone know if they replace the turf at Chase Field annually? I know they’ve had trouble growing grass there, and it looks terrible in that picture, like half of it is dead.[/quote]
    I assume so, they killed it once when N’Sync? played multiple nights on a stage set up in centerfield.[/quote]

    I know that a lack of sunlight or water can kill grass, but bad music?

  • Kyle | December 19, 2006 at 3:10 pm |

    LaVar gave the Kra-Lite a test run in DC a couple years ago. I think he has the same helmet/facemask issues as Ocho Cinco.

  • Broker75 | December 19, 2006 at 3:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”31351″]Racism is not an off-limits topic here per se, as long as it’s uni-related (see: Nigger Island baseball uniforms). But if you want to get into the “character issue” and who belongs behind bars and which league has more of a problem, please just call your local sports talk radio station and keep this web site uni-related. Thanks.[/quote]
    deal :-)

  • dchis | December 19, 2006 at 3:42 pm |

    So what or how much money will DerMarr Johnson get because of this.

  • BtotheE | December 19, 2006 at 3:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”31375″]Paul,

    Something interesting I saw in your article, which was very good. The pic of Favre with the Falcons not only has a four point chinstrap but also has Air brand helmet and Air brand chinstrap, but the biggest thing is Favre’s choice of facemask. He has predominatel worn this 3-bar facemask during his career and the facemask with the Falcons is one normally found on running backs, wide receivers, and defensive backs. I can’t think of another quaterback who wore this type of facemask in the NFL or NCAA.[/quote]
    Beat me to it. I know he wore this facemask in college, and I am just assuming in high school he wore this type of mask because his team ran the option. Maybe for added protection in H.S. running the option and just got use to it. There is old NFL film on him when Holmgren (SP)(and Marriucci QB coach) was coaching him early on in his career, where he had one play where he was not even straped his normal chinstrap, and they blamed him for constanly taking it off to call plays and forgeting to rebuckle it, leading to what they felt was extra nervousness and a ball delievered to early.

  • Minna H | December 19, 2006 at 4:00 pm |

    Damn it! I knew I’d be too late to throw in my three cents’ worth. That’s ok. I feel more like discussing unis today for some strange reason.

    I do not think the Jets unis are very exciting. They are not horrible, either, but I just think, ‘blah’ when I see them. They are guilty of inducing ennui.

  • DenverGregg | December 19, 2006 at 4:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”31382″]From today’s edition of TMQ towards the end, Easterbrook writes, “Sominex Bids to Sponsor Upcoming Jets-Raiders Game: The Jets are quietly 8-6 and stand a decent chance at the playoffs in the first season of Eric “I Was a Teenaged Coach” Mangini. Why aren’t they generating excitement? I think the reason is their look. Jersey/B explicably continues to play in 1847 throwback uniforms plus black shoes — the antiquated unis and black shoes make the Jets appear to be the slowest-looking team in the NFL. The Jets’ appearance projects monotony; maybe this is what Mangini wants. Their game plan projects monotony — underneath, underneath, underneath. Maybe that’s what Mangini wants, too. How could an opponent get psyched up for playing the Jets? Maybe that’s what Mangini wants.

    (Bold added by me)

    Thoughts?[/quote]

    Easterbrook was a Bills fan growing up, consequently he’s never liked the Jets.

  • specs | December 19, 2006 at 4:29 pm |

    I’m not sure TMQ was saying the Jets uniforms were not aesthetically pleasing, it seemed to me like he was simply posing the idea that Head Coach Eric Mangini liked the psychological effect of seeming boring or slow. I thought that I had heard that the reason the late-80s/early-90s Bulls wore black shoes was because it made them look slower, but I may be mistaken. At any rate, I don’t recall TMQ calling the Jets’ unis ugly, or suggesting they change them.

  • Banker Bill | December 19, 2006 at 4:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”31398″]Damn it! I knew I’d be too late to throw in my three cents’ worth. That’s ok. I feel more like discussing unis today for some strange reason.

    I do not think the Jets unis are very exciting. They are not horrible, either, but I just think, ‘blah’ when I see them. They are guilty of inducing ennui.[/quote]

    Ennui – the Minna vocabulary builder of the day.

    I kind of like the simplicity of the Jets unis – and as far as black shoes, I’ve heard teams wear them to appear slower so that they can get a jump on people. Much prefer the Jets over the “Bungles” anyday. My wife saw the “Bungles” unis last night and said “Looks like an old episode of the Thundercats.”

  • Robert | December 19, 2006 at 4:33 pm |

    Just in case no one else has mentioned it, Tree Rollins bit Danny Ainge, not the other way around. It is remarkable how many people get that wrong.

  • Kenny | December 19, 2006 at 4:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”31317″][quote comment=”31298″]The NBA was more respectful when #33 played for the Celtics. Since then Jordan came in the league, performed amazing acts that nobody ever saw before, but it was still clean. Today the NBA is just happy to get through a game without players going into the fans and fighting people who pay top $$ to watch these goons.
    What’s next, putting up a cage that surround the players so they won’t spill into the fans? That’s where most of them belong anyways, behind bars.[/quote]

    Gee, have a little racism on your mind? NBA players are no more wrong with their actions than MLB players, NHL players and NFL players yet everybody thinks that NBA players are punks. Is it because they are flashy off the court (which is not illegal by the way). Is it because they are cocky and showboat (what the heck are NFL players then). MLB players have been cheating and taking steroids for years. NBA players fight about once a season and everybody throws a hissy fit. How many times do pitchers purposely throw at players and incite brawls? How many times do NHL players fight for no good reason. It seems to me that the NBA has the least amount of confrontations out of any of the major sports yet they take the most grief for it.

    I am the biggest Celtics fan you will ever meet but even I know that Larry Bird was an asshole. He wasn’t close to respectful on the court. NBA games were much more violent in the 80s. The Hawks and Celtics got into a scuffle and Danny Ainge (supposedly) bit Tree Rollins. Kevin Mchale clotheslined Kurt Rambis and wasn’t even kicked out of the game, it actually inspired his team to come back and win the series. Larry Bird and Dr. J had eachother by the necks and Bird threw a punch at him. But today the players are punks because one isolated incident which was blown WAY out of proportion by ESPN and every other news channel that called it a “brawl.” One really wimpy punch was thrown and then the puncher ran away in the other direction like a wuss. But most of the players on the floor were young, cocky, flashy, rich black athletes so they are immediately labeled punks while Larry Bird is “respectable.” Does that make any sense to you?[/quote]

    I think it was the other way around:

    Tree Rollins elbows Danny Ainge, who tackles him to the floor. Pinned, Tree resorts to biting Ainge’s finger. This was the first sports fight I ever saw where the white guy won. Ainge was later pimp-slapped by Darrell Walker.

    From this website

  • Minna H | December 19, 2006 at 4:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”31410″][quote comment=”31398″]Damn it! I knew I’d be too late to throw in my three cents’ worth. That’s ok. I feel more like discussing unis today for some strange reason.

    I do not think the Jets unis are very exciting. They are not horrible, either, but I just think, ‘blah’ when I see them. They are guilty of inducing ennui.[/quote]

    Ennui – the Minna vocabulary builder of the day.

    I kind of like the simplicity of the Jets unis – and as far as black shoes, I’ve heard teams wear them to appear slower so that they can get a jump on people. Much prefer the Jets over the “Bungles” anyday. My wife saw the “Bungles” unis last night and said “Looks like an old episode of the Thundercats.”[/quote]

    Ha! Banker Bill, you caught it, did you? I’ll have to see if I can slip tomorrow’s word past you.

    Thundercats! That’s a hoot. Someone (can’t remember who, sorry) mentioned wanting the Bengals to have different-length stripes on the helmet, like real cats. I think they should take it a step further and make all the stripes varying lengths; I would dig that.

  • Beantown | December 19, 2006 at 4:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”31381″][quote comment=”31378″]Michigan State played Kentucky at Ford Field a couple of years ago…but it wasn’t outdoors
    Court
    Benches below court level[/quote]

    Can’t wait until the Final Four makes its way into here (scroll down for the basketball setup)[/quote]

    That Looks amazing! These facilies are getting rediculous

  • Kenny | December 19, 2006 at 4:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”31346″][quote comment=”31317″][quote comment=”31298″]

    Either way – the NBA got it all wrong and Stern needs to back up his words – if this crap keeps up, ban the players for life.[/quote]

    Going to hafta agree with you on that one…see how much they fight when they are making jack playing ball in Greece or Turkey

  • Tom C. | December 19, 2006 at 5:04 pm |

    didn’t two men’s college bball teams play on an aircraft carrier a few years back?

  • Teebz | December 19, 2006 at 5:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”31418″]
    Thundercats! That’s a hoot. Someone (can’t remember who, sorry) mentioned wanting the Bengals to have different-length stripes on the helmet, like real cats. I think they should take it a step further and make all the stripes varying lengths; I would dig that.[/quote]

    For both Banker Bill and Minna, here is the Bengals’ new duds for next season:

    Bengals: Take One.
    Bengals: Press Release.
    Bengals: Media Guide.
    Bengals: Player Cards.

    Honestly, the Bengals uniforms aren’t that far off. And Who-Dey might already be a Thundercat.

  • bj (live from G'Ville) | December 19, 2006 at 5:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”31375″]Paul,

    Something interesting I saw in your article, which was very good. The pic of Favre with the Falcons not only has a four point chinstrap but also has Air brand helmet and Air brand chinstrap, but the biggest thing is Favre’s choice of facemask. He has predominatel worn this 3-bar facemask during his career and the facemask with the Falcons is one normally found on running backs, wide receivers, and defensive backs. I can’t think of another quaterback who wore this type of facemask in the NFL or NCAA.[/quote]

    Favre also appears to be wearing the upper straps over the outside of his facemask like here.

    I complained before about Flutie doing the same thing when he played for BC.

    In my eyes, this is a pretty big faux pas for chinstrap wearing. They should’ve worn them like a normal person, or even Tom Brady.

  • Philly Bill | December 19, 2006 at 5:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”31395″]So what or how much money will DerMarr Johnson get because of this.[/quote]

    I gotta find out what happens with this before I order my powder blue Nuggets jersey with Iverson’s name and number. I’ve been sitting around for 11 days waiting to find out my new favorite team, and now I finally know!

  • Minna H | December 19, 2006 at 5:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”31425″][quote comment=”31418″]
    Thundercats! That’s a hoot. Someone (can’t remember who, sorry) mentioned wanting the Bengals to have different-length stripes on the helmet, like real cats. I think they should take it a step further and make all the stripes varying lengths; I would dig that.[/quote]

    For both Banker Bill and Minna, here is the Bengals’ new duds for next season:

    Bengals: Take One.
    Bengals: Press Release.
    Bengals: Media Guide.
    Bengals: Player Cards.

    Honestly, the Bengals uniforms aren’t that far off. And Who-Dey might already be a Thundercat.[/quote]

    Snort. Teebz, that’s hilarious! You are a jocose man, indeed. The Cincinnati Thundercats will now be my nomenclature for the Bengals.

  • Mike | December 19, 2006 at 5:37 pm |

    Paul, I was wondering, who came up with the ESPN Uni Watch logo?

    Do you approve of it? Did you ever have a say of how it looks? I don’t think I’ve ever seen a critique of it from you.

    A couple CONS right off the bat:
    1) the side paneling
    2) the right armpit seems to have white piping, while the left has black and neckline is black also
    3) the 2 (presumably for Page 2, I’d bet my house on it) looks like it’s slightly italicized, and in totality, it looks like there’s three different fonts on that jersey
    4) are the words crooked?

    PRO
    1) the word “WATCH” below the number. Golden State-esque.
    2) athletic company logo-free
    3) simple, red, black, and white classical color scheme that pleases the eye

    I’d like to see what the front of this jersey looks like, too…

    What would be changed if anything? Are these considered the “throw back” Uni Watch jerseys, only to be worn a maximum of twice during an NFL season, 15 during an NHL season, and unknown to me for NBA or MLB?

  • Josh | December 19, 2006 at 5:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”31441″]Paul, I was wondering, who came up with the ESPN Uni Watch logo?

    Do you approve of it? Did you ever have a say of how it looks? I don’t think I’ve ever seen a critique of it from you.

    A couple CONS right off the bat:
    1) the side paneling
    2) the right armpit seems to have white piping, while the left has black and neckline is black also
    3) the 2 (presumably for Page 2, I’d bet my house on it) looks like it’s slightly italicized, and in totality, it looks like there’s three different fonts on that jersey
    4) are the words crooked?

    PRO
    1) the word “WATCH” below the number. Golden State-esque.
    2) athletic company logo-free
    3) simple, red, black, and white classical color scheme that pleases the eye

    I’d like to see what the front of this jersey looks like, too…

    What would be changed if anything? Are these considered the “throw back” Uni Watch jerseys, only to be worn a maximum of twice during an NFL season, 15 during an NHL season, and unknown to me for NBA or MLB?[/quote]

    LOL
    I asked the exact same question like 2 weeks ago

  • Metsfan AZ | December 19, 2006 at 6:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”31419″][quote comment=”31381″][quote comment=”31378″]Michigan State played Kentucky at Ford Field a couple of years ago…but it wasn’t outdoors
    Court
    Benches below court level[/quote]

    Can’t wait until the Final Four makes its way into here (scroll down for the basketball setup)[/quote]

    That Looks amazing! These facilies are getting rediculous[/quote]
    Doesn’t Vanderbilt have the benches at the baselines and/or down a step?

  • Texas_Islander | December 19, 2006 at 6:09 pm |

    the ESPN logo also contains a pinstriped basketball jersey. Am I the only one who sees a serious flaw in this?

  • N. | December 19, 2006 at 6:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”31219″][quote comment=”31217″]Quinten Jammer’s “gold” Reebok logo is a grass stain.[/quote]

    If so, it’s the most localized grass stain ever, since neither his lightning bolt nor his sleeve uni number got even a fleck of green.[/quote]

    you’ll have to remember that the lightning bolt and the jersey numerals are a screened on vinyl-like material, while the Reebok logo is embroidered thread. Naturally, the two materials react differently to grass staining, with one all but resistant to it. So its easy to see why the numbers and bolt remain as white as they do.

    N.

  • N. | December 19, 2006 at 6:17 pm |

    o and see comment #103, btw.

  • Adam Hainsfurther | December 19, 2006 at 6:33 pm |

    Great article about baseball uni’s. Provided by the HOF in Cooperstown http://www.baseballh...

  • Mike | December 19, 2006 at 6:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”31449″]
    LOL
    I asked the exact same question like 2 weeks ago[/quote]

    Sorry about that. I admittedly, and obviously, don’t read all of the comments every day since I don’t get to read the blog until after work. The 150 comments by 5-6pm are a beast to go through to say the least.

    Would be interested in what day that Q was asked if there was any feedback on it.

  • Paul Lukas | December 19, 2006 at 7:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”31476″][quote comment=”31449″]
    LOL
    I asked the exact same question like 2 weeks ago[/quote]

    Sorry about that. I admittedly, and obviously, don’t read all of the comments every day since I don’t get to read the blog until after work. The 150 comments by 5-6pm are a beast to go through to say the least.

    Would be interested in what day that Q was asked if there was any feedback on it.[/quote]

    Let’s put it this way: Yes, there’s plenty that could be said about that logo. But I’m not in a position to say it. Let’s just be glad that ESPN runs my material and leave it at that.

  • Burrill | December 19, 2006 at 7:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”31458″]Doesn’t Vanderbilt have the benches at the baselines and/or down a step?[/quote]

    I’m pretty sure a Big Ten school has the benches a step or two below the court. It might be Minnesota. Not sure on that. I just remember noticing it once and thinking huh, that’s different.

  • DP | December 19, 2006 at 7:56 pm |

    Good God those Oregon helmets are horrible!! I really dislike their uni’s, but think their green helmet is one of the better in the country. Now, they’re messing with that too! Ugh. If anyone wants my season tickets, let me know…sigh. ;-)

  • Andy from KC | December 19, 2006 at 8:05 pm |

    Looks like Brand Jordan has another spokesperson … (I know it’s not a great pic, but it’s the shoes)

    :)

  • Thorold Blair | December 19, 2006 at 8:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”31488″][quote comment=”31458″]Doesn’t Vanderbilt have the benches at the baselines and/or down a step?[/quote]

    I’m pretty sure a Big Ten school has the benches a step or two below the court. It might be Minnesota. Not sure on that. I just remember noticing it once and thinking huh, that’s different.[/quote]

    Yeh.. it ‘s Minnesota.

  • My Name is Not Earl | December 19, 2006 at 9:42 pm |

    The Vanderbilt benches are behind the baseline, but are above the court.

    Anyone think Notre Dame will wear the green shirts against LSU? Last time the Irish were in the Sugar Bowl, they wore the white shirts with the green numbers (and actually won the game! Seems like that was the last time they won a bowl game, but they did win two straight Cotton Bowls against A&M. ND has lost eight straight bowl games, in case you’re keeping count.).

  • Shane | December 19, 2006 at 9:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”31497″]Yeh.. it ‘s Minnesota.[/quote]

    IIRC, their hockey team also skates on Olympic sized ice?

  • Charlie | December 19, 2006 at 10:23 pm |

    Link for the NHL exhibiton with locust problems?

  • Wahl | December 19, 2006 at 10:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”31497″][quote comment=”31488″][quote comment=”31458″]Doesn’t Vanderbilt have the benches at the baselines and/or down a step?[/quote]

    I’m pretty sure a Big Ten school has the benches a step or two below the court. It might be Minnesota. Not sure on that. I just remember noticing it once and thinking huh, that’s different.[/quote]

    Yeh.. it ‘s Minnesota.[/quote]

    Purdont has benches below the court at Mackey too.

  • Vincent A. Cipollone | December 19, 2006 at 10:58 pm |

    TCU has a person on their sidelines to restitch their jersey numbers back on. Can anyone get a pic? I don’t have TV screenshot technology.

  • Smail | December 19, 2006 at 11:04 pm |

    TCU defensive end and long snapper Jared Retkofsky (#83) was sporting ridiculous eye black during this evenings Poinsettia Boel. In addition to a purple mohawk, he had the two, giant, under eye triangles going all the way down to his chin. I remember seeing old pics of a Florida St.(?) player who had something similar, but I couldn’t find them in the archives. Retkofsky got kicked out late in the third quarter, and spent a minute or two sobbing on the bench, providing great shots to anyone with a dvr.

  • Bob A | December 19, 2006 at 11:18 pm |

    Paul: re your ESPN column mention of Ben Hawkins. Found this pic of him with his loose strap. Hawk was just ahead of me at Nutley High in NJ in the mid 60s.

  • Minna H | December 19, 2006 at 11:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”31488″][quote comment=”31458″]Doesn’t Vanderbilt have the benches at the baselines and/or down a step?[/quote]

    I’m pretty sure a Big Ten school has the benches a step or two below the court. It might be Minnesota. Not sure on that. I just remember noticing it once and thinking huh, that’s different.[/quote]

    The BARN! Give it up for the BARN!

  • Minna H | December 19, 2006 at 11:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”31507″][quote comment=”31497″]Yeh.. it ‘s Minnesota.[/quote]

    IIRC, their hockey team also skates on Olympic sized ice?[/quote]

    Give it up for Minnesota!

    p.s. I’m not positive this is true though I think it is, but I wanted to give a shout-out to MN.

  • Jim Wilkerson | December 20, 2006 at 12:08 am |

    What I don’t get about the Chad Johnson situation is this: he clearly tapes his ankles heavily (as he did once he was made to switch to his normal shoes), so you wouldn’t have been able to see the fancy photos anyway. Unless he would have skipped the taping for the sake of fashion.

    So, I’m sure he never expected to be able to wear them in the game. More publicy stunt antics. Yawn.

  • Kevin J.P. | December 20, 2006 at 12:33 am |

    I don’t understand why he would be ejected from the game, just because he had his pictures on his shoes? Usually if a player has the wrong color or brand, they just tape them up with the correct color or get fined, but never ejected. What’s the big deal about Johnson’s shoes?

  • Minna H | December 20, 2006 at 12:36 am |

    [quote comment=”31530″]I don’t understand why he would be ejected from the game, just because he had his pictures on his shoes? Usually if a player has the wrong color or brand, they just tape them up with the correct color or get fined, but never ejected. What’s the big deal about Johnson’s shoes?[/quote]

    Kevin, I’m guessing it’s a cumulative effect. The No Fun League is probably tired of Ocho Cinco and his ‘look at me’ antics and wanted to shut him up.

  • Bob A | December 20, 2006 at 12:43 am |

    [quote comment=”31516″]Paul: re your ESPN column mention of Ben Hawkins. Found this pic of him with his loose strap. Hawk was just ahead of me at Nutley High in NJ in the mid 60s.[/quote]

    aaaah rats… that was the pic YOU had. My bad. I’ll go back now and find the other one.

  • sully | December 20, 2006 at 8:01 am |

    [quote comment=”31531″][quote comment=”31530″]I don’t understand why he would be ejected from the game, just because he had his pictures on his shoes? Usually if a player has the wrong color or brand, they just tape them up with the correct color or get fined, but never ejected. What’s the big deal about Johnson’s shoes?[/quote]

    Kevin, I’m guessing it’s a cumulative effect. The No Fun League is probably tired of Ocho Cinco and his ‘look at me’ antics and wanted to shut him up.[/quote]

    TO was not told that he would be ejected from the game. He was told that he would be removed from the field until he had the proper footwear.