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Or Maybe He Just Needs to Spend More Time at the Salad Bar and Less Time at the Dessert Bar

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New ESPN column today — here’s the link.

Meanwhile: Did the Astros sign Carlos Lee to a $100 million contract and then give him someone else’s ill-fitting jersey when introducing him to the media? Kevin Gee thinks so. Here’s why:

Check out Friday’s press conference for Carlos Lee and Woody Williams. Upon accepting his jersey, No. 45, Lee looks at the tag and says something to GM Tim Purpura. I�m pretty sure it was something like, �This ain�t going to fit,� because he couldn�t get it to button up all the way. [He tries to keep it closed with the jersey’s Velcro patch, but that pops open about 20 seconds later. — PL] When presented with his cap, he puts it on and says, �We got this one right.” Even after sitting back down next to Woody Williams, he still appears to be fussing with the jersey and talking to Woody about it.

My screen grabs don’t do justice to the absurdity of this sequence. For the full effect, you can access the press conference video here (if that link doesn’t work for you, go to this page and click on “Lee/Williams press conference”). Once the video starts playing, fast forward to the 14-minute mark, or drag the progress icon to that point. Lee walks up to the podium at about 14:05.

So why was Lee’s jersey so snug? Again, Kevin Gee: “The last Astros player to wear No. 45 was Mike Gallo. He’s 6’0″, 175 pounds; Lee is 6’2″, 240 pounds.” Did the ‘Stros really just grab a Gallo jersey and swap the name on the back for Lee’s press conference? Are they really paying a guy $100 million but too cheap to spring for a new jersey? Is anyone losing his job over the little snafu? Stay tuned.

Uni Watch News Ticker: Yet another helmet decal snafu yesterday, as Hunter Hillenmeyer was “C”-less. … Good article here about the Bengals’ equipment manager (including a short but informative audio file linked on the same page). … Oh. My. God. … The fight over Wisconsin’s “motion W” logo goes on and on (with thanks to Mike Hughes). … Crystal Falls Forrest Park — a Michigan high school — wears some nifty hoop socks. Further details here (courtesy of Brian Campbell). … On Saturday I mentioned that players on Jeannette High supposedly wore their names in script above their nose bumpers, but the only photo I had was too fuzzy to make out. Now Jason Schiffhauer has provided better pics, here and here. … Remember LeCharles Bentley’s unsuccessful bid to wear double-zero? Patrick Gaughan has an update: “I’m home in Cleveland for Turkey Day, and on the news there was a story about LeCharles Bentley making a Thanksgiving meal for less fortunate people. He was wearing a 00 Browns jersey during the whole interview. Looks like he’s still pursuing the 00 for next season.” … Michael Korczynski notes that Tom Brady Mike Vrabel’s OSU jersey in practice the other day (and note that Vinny Testaverde, kneeling in the background, is wearing the wrong socks). … Hot dogs and baseball: two great tastes that taste great together. … Justin McGrail writes: “I’m watching the Boise State/Nevada game and I noticed that Boise running back Ian Johnson has two number decals on the front of his helmet, a 71 and a 64. Nobody else on the team has them.” Anyone know what this is about? … Pat Tillman jerseys are selling briskly. … Kentucky RB Rafael Little wore one leg sleeve on Saturday. … You probably heard that Ben Wallace was benched for wearing a headband on Saturday. What you may not have noticed is that he was also violating the league’s new anti-armband rules. … High-diddley-ho! Avs goalie Peter Budaj wears Ned Flanders on his mask’s backplate. Why? “According to this page, it was a nickname given to him by one of the Avalanche equipment managers,” says Patrick Lewis. “It’s also worth pointing out that Flanders is holding the flag of Budaj’s native Slovakia, with the country’s coat of arms on his shirt.” … Now that’s right purty. … The Islanders inducted Bob Bourne into their team hall of fame on Saturday, and wore a commemorative patch for the occasion. … Good catch by Jesse Gavin, who writes: “I was at the Vikings/Cardinals game and had good enough seats that I could tell Dwight Smith didn’t have any white socks on during the game.”

 

183 comments to Or Maybe He Just Needs to Spend More Time at the Salad Bar and Less Time at the Dessert Bar

  • Brian | November 27, 2006 at 8:35 am |

    Not sure if it is common knowledge or what, but Brady is wearing Mike Vrabel’s Ohio State jersey because the two had a bet going on who would win the game played between both of their alma maters, Brady of course being a Michigan guy.

  • Robert | November 27, 2006 at 8:53 am |

    Love the Ben Wallace story. We in the UniWorld need more coaches like Skiles.

  • MetsFan AZ | November 27, 2006 at 8:59 am |

    Re: Ian Johnson’s numbers on his helmet. ESPN the magazine recently did a profile on him. Those are numbers of two offensive linemen who are hurt and out for the year. Something like that…

  • Vince | November 27, 2006 at 9:00 am |

    You forgot to mention that the Redskins finally went back to wearing the correct White over Burgandy uniforms for yesterday’s game.
    -V

  • Boris Shubinsky | November 27, 2006 at 9:14 am |

    Peter Budaj was given that nickname to him by the equipment managers because he’s extremely religious. He donates 10% of his salary to his church.

  • Phil | November 27, 2006 at 9:30 am |

    Don’t you think that part of the problem with Carlos Lee’s jersey is that he’s putting it on over a sports coat? That sure would make it seem too small to me.

  • WVU Tom | November 27, 2006 at 9:30 am |

    Interesting bit about the Wisconsin “W” copyright. I have never been a fan of the popular practice of high-schools mimicing college or professional logos (while usually just changing the color scheme), and it seems to happen a lot.

    I was really interested in this article though, because last year while visiting back home I attended a football game at my old high school — whose name I won’t mention to prevent being a “whistle-blower”, but my home town begins with the letter “W”. I was disappointed because their old, very original “W” logo, had been replaced with one that basically mimiced the Wisconsin “W”. With any luck, this new devolopement will prompt school officals to revert back to the old one.

  • Mark in Shiga | November 27, 2006 at 9:30 am |

    Perhaps the Astros designed the jersey for Lee under the assumption that he won’t be wearing a sport jacket under it once the regular season starts.

  • Andrew | November 27, 2006 at 9:50 am |

    Speaking of school logo trademarks, I wonder how long it’ll be before the University of Kansas goes after Jeannette High for their rip-off of the Jayhawk logo.

  • jeff | November 27, 2006 at 9:52 am |

    Did anyone else think its somewhat ironic that in the same post talking about the Wisconsin trademark battle, that the pictures of Jeannette High’s helmets shows an exact copy of KU’s Jayhawk, except different coloring?

    I don’t have any pictures, but during the Texas-Texas A&M game, on tv you could see that there were quite a few A&M players who’s “aTm” helmet decal was peeling off.

  • LunchBox | November 27, 2006 at 9:52 am |

    [quote comment=”24878″]Not sure if it is common knowledge or what, but Brady is wearing Mike Vrabel’s Ohio State jersey because the two had a bet going on who would win the game played between both of their alma maters, Brady of course being a Michigan guy.[/quote]

    PHEW! I almost threw up when I saw that picture because I thought he wore it willingly. Wearing your buddy’s (and arch rival) uniform is OK just as long as there was a chance that your buddy will have to wear yours.

  • Matt B | November 27, 2006 at 10:06 am |

    Speaking of school logo trademarks, I wonder how long it’ll be before the University of Kansas goes after Jeannette High for their rip-off of the Jayhawk logo.

    Or how why cease-and-desist U hasn’t yet sued NC State?

  • Scott Novosel | November 27, 2006 at 10:13 am |

    I can see where Winsconsin wouldn’t want High schools copying their logo. As for the Kansas Jayhawk, there is so much history behind it and the artist was a KU alum, it seriously should not be used by Jeanette or any other high school.

    Can you imagine if they had the Jeanette Tarheels?

    Or the Jeanette Cardinal? How about the Jeanette Boilermakers or Hoosiers? JeanetteBuckeyes?

  • Riff | November 27, 2006 at 10:32 am |

    I’ve noticed that Kobe Bryant has been getting away with his misplaced armband all season. I think the rule is beyond stupid, but what’s worse is that they don’t bother to enforce it.

  • Sam | November 27, 2006 at 10:41 am |

    I noticed on thursday that some of the Cowboys players had a Riddell bumper on their helmets, and some others didn’t.

  • Pat | November 27, 2006 at 10:58 am |

    [quote comment=”24893″]I’ve noticed that Kobe Bryant has been getting away with his misplaced armband all season. I think the rule is beyond stupid, but what’s worse is that they don’t bother to enforce it.[/quote]

    He isn’t getting away with it because the new rule says that wrist bands have to be worn on the wrist or forearm, not the bicep.

    That rule the Bulls have about not wearing headbands is kind of silly, I won’t lie. But Big Ben needs to follow his teams rules. It’s inexcusable to disobey a coach over something stupid like not being able to wear a headband. Maybe he should worry more about scoring points or grabbing rebounds rather than what the the top of his head looks like.

  • Rich | November 27, 2006 at 10:59 am |

    [quote comment=”24881″]You forgot to mention that the Redskins finally went back to wearing the correct White over Burgandy uniforms for yesterday’s game.
    -V[/quote]

    YES!

  • Dan | November 27, 2006 at 11:11 am |

    [quote comment=”24881″]You forgot to mention that the Redskins finally went back to wearing the correct White over Burgandy uniforms for yesterday’s game.
    -V[/quote]

    AMEN! It’s about time the Redskins looked like the Redskins. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that they actually played like the Redskins yesterday too! Hopefully the white-on-white Bullsh*t is in the past.

  • Terry Mark | November 27, 2006 at 11:16 am |

    I didn’t see this addressed in Sunday’s open thread comments section, but another footnote for the Southern-Grambling photo is that Grambling’s jerseys were designed by Big Boi of OutKast fame. Brief tidbit on that here and here.

  • Richard | November 27, 2006 at 11:21 am |

    what, no references of the 1957 throwbacks the Browns wore? Or did we all not really notice?

    didn’t check so much into yesterday’s thread in case I missed the big discussion.

  • Scott V. | November 27, 2006 at 11:27 am |

    Wisconsin “W” ripoffs extend all the way down south to Texas. It was pretty funny going to high school games such as my old high school, the Westwood Warriors vs. The McNeil Mavericks. Both blatent ripoffs of Wisconsin (with added indian feathers) and the Denver Broncos with different colors.

    Then there is my old middle school that uses one of the most ripped off logos ever.

  • skott | November 27, 2006 at 11:29 am |

    did the Browns even show up to play?

    Southern’s unis are AMAZING. Grambling, too. But Southern’s are my new favorites.

    Carlos Lee won’t be wearing a sports coat but he’ll still be mistaken for Mo Vaughn. Good God! you’re a pro baseball player, man, not a linebacker!

  • Jim H | November 27, 2006 at 11:37 am |

    I personally do not see the big deal with the use of the logos by high school teams. In NY there are many high school teams that I know of that use another teams logo. Geneva High School uses the exact same helmet as the University of Georgia, and Guilderland uses the “G” that is used by Georgia, Grambling, and most notably the Green Packers. The Florida State Spear logo is used by Peru, Ravena, and Stillwater. Ballston Spa uses the Clemson Claw design, Burnt Hills uses the Michigan State Spartan (also only have logo on one side like the Steelers), and Columbia has the exact same helmet as UCONN. So to make sure that no other school uses a logo is absurd. There are far too many teams that do so to completely eliminate the imitation.

  • Greg | November 27, 2006 at 11:39 am |

    That’s a fun story with Brady and Vrabel. Carson Palmer and Tab Perry had a similar bet last season where Tab, from UCLA, had to wear Carson’s #3 USC jersey after the Trojans beat the Bruins.

    This has probably been mentioned by Paul, or somebody else here, but why did the Colts switch to grey facemasks? Does it have something to do with the color affecting vision, was it aesthetics, or did they just need to add a third color for merchandising reasons? The blue looked better.

  • Kerry | November 27, 2006 at 11:39 am |

    I think I would have liked Southern’s unis better if the leg strip matched the shoulder stripe. That or if they had white pants instead of solid gold all the way down.

  • skott | November 27, 2006 at 11:53 am |

    i think i remember that the colts wanted to look more oldschool.

  • NOR | November 27, 2006 at 11:54 am |

    [quote comment=”24905″]I personally do not see the big deal with the use of the logos by high school teams. In NY there are many high school teams that I know of that use another teams logo. Geneva High School uses the exact same helmet as the University of Georgia, and Guilderland uses the “G” that is used by Georgia, Grambling, and most notably the Green Packers. The Florida State Spear logo is used by Peru, Ravena, and Stillwater. Ballston Spa uses the Clemson Claw design, Burnt Hills uses the Michigan State Spartan (also only have logo on one side like the Steelers), and Columbia has the exact same helmet as UCONN. So to make sure that no other school uses a logo is absurd. There are far too many teams that do so to completely eliminate the imitation.[/quote]

    Funny you found this. I am a former player of Burnt Hills, and the new coach, Matt Shell changed color scheme and logo after 2001. The old was an Interlocking BH on one side and player number on the other, a la Alabama. Columbia from what I remember never had a UCONN C as of 2001

  • John from KY | November 27, 2006 at 11:58 am |

    [quote comment=”24894″]I noticed on thursday that some of the Cowboys players had a Riddell bumper on their helmets, and some others didn’t.[/quote]

    This comes up every couple of weeks – Riddell is the “official” helmet of the NFL, so only they are allowed to have their logo on the front bumper. Players who wear Schutt or Adams helmets either have a blank bumper (like the Cowboys, Buccaneers, Steelers, or Chiefs – and I may be leaving some teams out) or have the team logo on the bumper.

  • Paul Lukas | November 27, 2006 at 12:18 pm |

    New ESPN column is up — look here.

  • tessa | November 27, 2006 at 12:21 pm |

    Can we officially end the suitcoat or dress shirt under the jersey tradition? I understand that the players want to look respectful and wear a tie, but could we compromise on a suitcoat over a turtleneck or some other shirt that will not look dumb for the rest of the press conference? It is painful.

  • Skip | November 27, 2006 at 12:22 pm |

    Paul is there legally a difference between a logo and just a letter? Because the “w” on the Wisconsin helmet is slanted it counts as a picture not a letter? I would find it hard to believe somebody could copywrite a letter (like the connecticut C, its a block letter c).

  • tessa | November 27, 2006 at 12:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”24915″]Paul is there legally a difference between a logo and just a letter? Because the “w” on the Wisconsin helmet is slanted it counts as a picture not a letter? I would find it hard to believe somebody could copywrite a letter (like the connecticut C, its a block letter c).[/quote]

    I know I am not Paul, but I might be able to shed some light here. What you are more likely to see than a copyright in this situation is a trademark. This matters for more than just the definition of “trademark” versus “copyright.” Trademarks can be renewed indefinitely, as long as they are used in commerce. Copyrights can eventually become public property. You can trademark anything that is representative of your product. That includes a letter, a font, a logo, or even a color. The government keeps a database called the Trademark Electronic Search System, or TESS.

    It is a lot of fun to look up your favorite team and see everything that they have trademarked. For instance, the Yankees still have the New York Highlanders trademarked.

  • joe | November 27, 2006 at 12:50 pm |

    Instead of suing the schools who use their W, Wisonsin ought to heavily recruit them. Good athletes out of those high schools might be encouraged to enroll at Wisconsin if they get to wear a logo or color scheme or mascot they are familiar with.

  • Richard | November 27, 2006 at 12:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”24914″]Can we officially end the suitcoat or dress shirt under the jersey tradition? I understand that the players want to look respectful and wear a tie, but could we compromise on a suitcoat over a turtleneck or some other shirt that will not look dumb for the rest of the press conference? It is painful.[/quote]

    If players take off their jackets, the look is fine. They are going to a press conference announcing them to their new team and fans, and a suit should be their first choice – looking good and making a good impression.

  • Shane S. | November 27, 2006 at 12:55 pm |

    It looks like Rafael Little is wearing a compression sleeve on his leg, not an attempt to imitate any nike-type sleeves on his leg. You can clearly see the separation between his compression shorts and the area around his knee since the pants, compression shorts and sleeve are all white. He probably has shin splints and is just trying to alleviate the pain.

  • Original Jim | November 27, 2006 at 1:03 pm |

    Nice article about the eye black, Paul. You forgot to mention one of the most egregious abusers of eye black- John Randle. He used to cover half his face with eye black. I think he must have been inspired from a few too many viewings of “Any Given Sunday”. I’m pretty sure the NFL started to fine players who were covering more than their cheeks with the stuff because of him too.

    Eye Black = John Randle, as Lipstick = Courtney Love

  • Matthew S. | November 27, 2006 at 1:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”24894″]I noticed on thursday that some of the Cowboys players had a Riddell bumper on their helmets, and some others didn’t.[/quote]

    This has been covered in the past, check out the archives. Basically, any NFL helmet that has either the team name in the nose bumper of the helmet or has a blank bumper is an Adams or a Schutt helmet. Riddell has the on field licensing agreement with the NFL so that only their company name can appear on NFL helmets. It’s the same reason that all uniforms and sideline apparel are made my Reebok. The NFL doesn’t allow other logos on the field other than those manufacturers with whom the league has an on field licensing agreement.

    [quote comment=”24902″]did the Browns even show up to play?

    Southern’s unis are AMAZING. Grambling, too. But Southern’s are my new favorites.

    Carlos Lee won’t be wearing a sports coat but he’ll still be mistaken for Mo Vaughn. Good God! you’re a pro baseball player, man, not a linebacker![/quote]

    As an Astros fan, I’m just glad we got someone other than Berkman in the lineup that can hit, so I don’t care how much of a fatass Lee is so long as he hits home runs for us. Let’s all remember that Babe Ruth didn’t exactly possess an athletic build either (and now I’m not comparing Lee to Ruth, just providing context). I think we can all agree though that it’s a good thing the Astros wear slimming pin stripes.

  • Chris Hilf | November 27, 2006 at 1:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”24899″]what, no references of the 1957 throwbacks the Browns wore? Or did we all not really notice?

    didn’t check so much into yesterday’s thread in case I missed the big discussion.[/quote]
    Um…
    Hit Ctrl-F and paste this:
    “Now that’s right purty.”

  • kevlay | November 27, 2006 at 1:18 pm |

    anyone else notice that the pee-wee football team in the under armour commercial has the wisconsin “W” on their helmet.

  • Minna H | November 27, 2006 at 1:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”24920″]Nice article about the eye black, Paul. You forgot to mention one of the most egregious abusers of eye black- John Randle. He used to cover half his face with eye black. I think he must have been inspired from a few too many viewings of “Any Given Sunday”. I’m pretty sure the NFL started to fine players who were covering more than their cheeks with the stuff because of him too.

    Eye Black = John Randle, as Lipstick = Courtney Love[/quote]

    Jim, thanks for mentioning one of my favorite Vikings of the nineties. Talk about your warrior mentality. You are right about the fines for excessive eye black starting with him as well. I thought it was a dumb fine, and I still do.

    As for Big Ben, I still think it’s a stupid rule. Thanks, Paul, for putting it in your ESPN article. To me, it’s just a coach’s way of saying, ‘I can make you do this because I am the coach.’ If Skiles has a reason, let’s hear it. Otherwise, let Samson wear his damn headband!

    Free the ‘Fro!

  • Robert | November 27, 2006 at 1:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”24897″][quote comment=”24881″]You forgot to mention that the Redskins finally went back to wearing the correct White over Burgandy uniforms for yesterday’s game.
    -V[/quote]

    AMEN! It’s about time the Redskins looked like the Redskins. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that they actually played like the Redskins yesterday too! Hopefully the white-on-white Bullsh*t is in the past.[/quote]

    I must disagree. I have hated the red pants from the day that the Redskins abandoned their cool yellow pants . . . how long has it been now, 25 or 30 years ago? The white-on-white was a welcome and long overdue change, so it is my hope that the red pants were a one-week aberration.

  • Paul Lukas | November 27, 2006 at 1:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”24920″]Nice article about the eye black, Paul. You forgot to mention one of the most egregious abusers of eye black- John Randle.[/quote]

    I totally intended to mention Randle — really! But I couldn’t find a good photo of him. And one reason for that was, I’m embarrassed to say, is that I mistakenly searched for pics of “John Randall.” How lame is that?! ARGGHHH!

    I’ll mention Randle (and your great Courtney Love comparison) in a follow-up in my next column.

  • Matthew S. | November 27, 2006 at 1:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”24924″][quote comment=”24920″]Nice article about the eye black, Paul. You forgot to mention one of the most egregious abusers of eye black- John Randle. He used to cover half his face with eye black. I think he must have been inspired from a few too many viewings of “Any Given Sunday”. I’m pretty sure the NFL started to fine players who were covering more than their cheeks with the stuff because of him too.

    Eye Black = John Randle, as Lipstick = Courtney Love[/quote]

    Jim, thanks for mentioning one of my favorite Vikings of the nineties. Talk about your warrior mentality. You are right about the fines for excessive eye black starting with him as well. I thought it was a dumb fine, and I still do.

    As for Big Ben, I still think it’s a stupid rule. Thanks, Paul, for putting it in your ESPN article. To me, it’s just a coach’s way of saying, ‘I can make you do this because I am the coach.’ If Skiles has a reason, let’s hear it. Otherwise, let Samson wear his damn headband!

    Free the ‘Fro![/quote]

    Minna, no comment about the Polomalu in training from Paul’s article?

    Rey Maualuga: http://static.flickr...

  • Minna H | November 27, 2006 at 1:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”24930″]

    Minna, no comment about the Polomalu in training from Paul’s article?

    Rey Maualuga: http://static.flickr...

    Ahhhh, Matthew, you know me too well. I did, indeed, give Maualuga (another Samoan!) more than one look, but he’s in college which makes him waaaay too young for me. I’m already chickenhawkin’ with Troy P. Don’t want to be called a dirty old lady.

  • Andy from KC | November 27, 2006 at 2:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”24883″]Don’t you think that part of the problem with Carlos Lee’s jersey is that he’s putting it on over a sports coat? That sure would make it seem too small to me.[/quote]

    That seemed pretty obvious to me too. I wouldn’t let Lee off the hook completely, though–as soon as “it ain’t goin’ to fit” popped into his brain, he should have slipped his damn sportcoat off.

  • joe | November 27, 2006 at 2:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”24928″]I have hated the red pants from the day that the Redskins abandoned their cool yellow pants . . . how long has it been now, 25 or 30 years ago? The white-on-white was a welcome and long overdue change, so it is my hope that the red pants were a one-week aberration.[/quote]

    This > this.

  • joe | November 27, 2006 at 2:13 pm |

    On closer examination, Billy Kilmer looks awfully similar to this fellow.

  • Richard | November 27, 2006 at 2:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”24922″][quote comment=”24899″]what, no references of the 1957 throwbacks the Browns wore? Or did we all not really notice?

    didn’t check so much into yesterday’s thread in case I missed the big discussion.[/quote]
    Um…
    Hit Ctrl-F and paste this:
    “Now that’s right purty.”[/quote]

    yes I saw the pic, but there was no real mention of it…and the helmet numbers.

  • Burrill | November 27, 2006 at 2:22 pm |

    Minna, I bet you like eye black just because it’s black. What would you think if the Vikings designed a black alternate jersey?

    Oh, and thanks to those who answered my goalie mask question yesterday.

  • SpartyCuse | November 27, 2006 at 2:25 pm |

    Regarding the trademarking of letters, Michigan State and Syracuse just settled a argument over the “Block S” From what I understand, MSU has the BLOCK S trademarked in every color known. A year or so back, Syracuse tried to do a block S in orange and blue but MSU filed suit. As a result, Syracuse now uses a Block S with “Syracuse” over top.

  • SpartyCuse | November 27, 2006 at 2:27 pm |

    Does anybody have pictures/grabs of the USC player whose pants were so ripped vs ND that it was held together with tape?

    Mike

  • Kel | November 27, 2006 at 2:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”24905″]I personally do not see the big deal with the use of the logos by high school teams. In NY there are many high school teams that I know of that use another teams logo. Geneva High School uses the exact same helmet as the University of Georgia, and Guilderland uses the “G” that is used by Georgia, Grambling, and most notably the Green Packers. The Florida State Spear logo is used by Peru, Ravena, and Stillwater. Ballston Spa uses the Clemson Claw design, Burnt Hills uses the Michigan State Spartan (also only have logo on one side like the Steelers), and Columbia has the exact same helmet as UCONN. So to make sure that no other school uses a logo is absurd. There are far too many teams that do so to completely eliminate the imitation.[/quote]

    As a graduate of Guilderland, this was really cool to see. Many moons ago, the unis had the clipper ship on them, as we were/are the Guilderland Flying Dutchmen.

    It was different, but I much prefer that to the inane lack of creativity shown by so many other schools. How many more Patriots/Vikings/Tigers do we really need?

  • Josh | November 27, 2006 at 2:28 pm |

    Maybe I missed it but Paul, I find it odd that you’d let Espn get away with using A flawed uniform for its Uni Watch logo

    It has
    a) ugly wide shoulders for a basketball jersey
    b) strange sublimated pinstripes
    c) different fonts for UNI and WATCH
    d) white and black on the arm trim on the right side, but only black trim on the left side.

    All in all it’s a very flawed jersey for a column about jerseys.

  • Minna H | November 27, 2006 at 2:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”24936″]Minna, I bet you like eye black just because it’s black. What would you think if the Vikings designed a black alternate jersey?

    Oh, and thanks to those who answered my goalie mask question yesterday.[/quote]

    *Died and went to heaven*

    Man, Burrill. You guys are all over me today. I would be extremely happy if the Vikes had a black alternate, something akin to this—without the ugly gold. I would definitely buy one of those. Oh, it can’t just be the jersey—it has to be the whole uniform. Then, if they traded for Troy P….

  • Richard | November 27, 2006 at 2:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”24943″][quote comment=”24936″]Minna, I bet you like eye black just because it’s black. What would you think if the Vikings designed a black alternate jersey?

    Oh, and thanks to those who answered my goalie mask question yesterday.[/quote]

    *Died and went to heaven*

    Man, Burrill. You guys are all over me today. I would be extremely happy if the Vikes had a black alternate, something akin to this—without the ugly gold. I would definitely buy one of those. Oh, it can’t just be the jersey—it has to be the whole uniform. Then, if they traded for Troy P….[/quote]

    and what about the eye black of another former Viking – Chris Hovan

  • Matthew S. | November 27, 2006 at 2:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”24942″]Maybe I missed it but Paul, I find it odd that you’d let Espn get away with using A flawed uniform for its Uni Watch logo

    It has
    a) ugly wide shoulders for a basketball jersey
    b) strange sublimated pinstripes
    c) different fonts for UNI and WATCH
    d) white and black on the arm trim on the right side, but only black trim on the left side.

    All in all it’s a very flawed jersey for a column about jerseys.[/quote]

    Someone also pointed out in the past that the jersey lacks Vertically Arched Letters, despite the fact that Paul is a great devotee of it in uniforms (or at least seems to be).

  • Minna H | November 27, 2006 at 2:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”24944″]

    and what about the eye black of another former Viking – Chris Hovan[/quote]

    Richard, he was never a favorite of mine. Here, he just looks plain stupid. I like his top tattoo, though.

  • BJ L. | November 27, 2006 at 2:41 pm |
  • BJ L. | November 27, 2006 at 2:42 pm |

    Plus the “W” Po-Leece need to stop by Chantilly, VA and have a talk with Westfields High School about their use of the famed “Flying W”. Quick question, does it matter where on the player the “W” is located, cause Westfields only has it on their pants, not on their helmets.

    Westfields Bulldogs

  • Minna H | November 27, 2006 at 2:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”24942″]Maybe I missed it but Paul, I find it odd that you’d let Espn get away with using A flawed uniform for its Uni Watch logo

    It has
    a) ugly wide shoulders for a basketball jersey
    b) strange sublimated pinstripes
    c) different fonts for UNI and WATCH
    d) white and black on the arm trim on the right side, but only black trim on the left side.

    All in all it’s a very flawed jersey for a column about jerseys.[/quote]

    Josh, I agree. This is not an eye-pleasing jersey. Paul, that should be your next mission: a dream jersey (perhaps the Packers’?) to adorn your column. You owe it to Uni Watching Land.

  • Minna H | November 27, 2006 at 2:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”24947″] Cooley, XYZ Homie![/quote]

    Closing your link

    BJ L, huh? Please explain!

  • Robert | November 27, 2006 at 2:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”24933″][quote comment=”24928″]I have hated the red pants from the day that the Redskins abandoned their cool yellow pants . . . how long has it been now, 25 or 30 years ago? The white-on-white was a welcome and long overdue change, so it is my hope that the red pants were a one-week aberration.[/quote]

    This > this.[/quote]

    Nice linkage. However, I must stick with my firmly-held belief that NFL teams should NEVER wear pants in a color other that white, silver, gray, gold or yellow.

    And red is the worst. It looks great on many college teams, but in the pros? No way.

  • SpartyCuse | November 27, 2006 at 2:47 pm |

    That trademark site is great. The Washington Capitals trademarked a logo thats now dead, but they never used. The Florida Panthers have their logo trademarked in Spanish, the Carolina Hurricanes have some alternate logos (now dead) that were TM’d, the “Orlando Devil Rays” is trademarked by the TB group, and theres probably a ton more out there. Very cool. Perhaps Paul could do a whole UW blog on never used trademarked logos!

  • Dave S | November 27, 2006 at 2:48 pm |

    My old high school, Lodi, uses the Rams alternate logo and the Broncos stripe on their helmet.
    While their opponent, Lenape Valley, is using the old Patriots logo.

    http://www.photorefl...

    Lodi’s opponent in last years state championship game also used the K-State logo.

    http://www.photorefl...

  • Paul Lukas | November 27, 2006 at 2:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”24949″][quote comment=”24942″]Maybe I missed it but Paul, I find it odd that you’d let Espn get away with using A flawed uniform for its Uni Watch logo

    It has
    a) ugly wide shoulders for a basketball jersey
    b) strange sublimated pinstripes
    c) different fonts for UNI and WATCH
    d) white and black on the arm trim on the right side, but only black trim on the left side.

    All in all it’s a very flawed jersey for a column about jerseys.[/quote]

    Josh, I agree. This is not an eye-pleasing jersey. Paul, that should be your next mission: a dream jersey (perhaps the Packers’?) to adorn your column. You owe it to Uni Watching Land.[/quote]

    Let’s put it this way: I’m not in a position to make any demands of the ESPN folks. Just be glad they publish my stuff.

    And we’ve got a nice logo here on this site.

  • Minna H | November 27, 2006 at 2:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”24899″]what, no references of the 1957 throwbacks the Browns wore? Or did we all not really notice?

    didn’t check so much into yesterday’s thread in case I missed the big discussion.[/quote]

    Richard, they were mentioned here and there throughout the last couple days. Consensus is that the unis are better than the team.

  • Dave S | November 27, 2006 at 2:58 pm |

    I remember someone mentioning that Florida State gives out “Academics” tomahawks but it was very hard to distinguish them from the other tomahawks. But while watching the UF-FSU game Saturday, I thought I saw a few tomahawks with different looking handles on them. You can definitely see some differences here.
    http://sports.espn.g...

    and here.
    http://sports.espn.g...

  • Minna H | November 27, 2006 at 2:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”24956″]
    Let’s put it this way: I’m not in a position to make any demands of the ESPN folks. Just be glad they publish my stuff.

    And we’ve got a nice logo here on this site.[/quote]

    Aw, phooey on ESPN. I am grateful, Paul, that they publish your column—otherwise I would have been lonely in my uniform obsession. Thanks for providing a lively outlet for this particular quirk.

  • Teebz | November 27, 2006 at 3:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”24959″]
    Aw, phooey on ESPN. I am grateful, Paul, that they publish your column—otherwise I would have been lonely in my uniform obsession. Thanks for providing a lively outlet for this particular quirk.[/quote]

    As would I for my obsessive-compulsive problem with NHL jerseys.

    Paul, you’ve done the world a fine service. Now if only the powers-that-be in the sports world would listen. ;o)

  • Allison | November 27, 2006 at 3:06 pm |

    Kinda disappointed that the eye black company Paul linked to in his article didn’t make any stickers with the AMERICAN flag.

  • House | November 27, 2006 at 3:06 pm |

    The Bears player probably had the logo torn or had it come loose during the game and thus it was removed.

    The Vikings player probably had white socks on, just like the other player in the pic, but has his ankle spatted with black tape, which would cover the white sock.

  • Taylor | November 27, 2006 at 3:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”24928″][quote comment=”24897″][quote comment=”24881″]You forgot to mention that the Redskins finally went back to wearing the correct White over Burgandy uniforms for yesterday’s game.
    -V[/quote]

    AMEN! It’s about time the Redskins looked like the Redskins. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that they actually played like the Redskins yesterday too! Hopefully the white-on-white Bullsh*t is in the past.[/quote]

    I must disagree. I have hated the red pants from the day that the Redskins abandoned their cool yellow pants . . . how long has it been now, 25 or 30 years ago? The white-on-white was a welcome and long overdue change, so it is my hope that the red pants were a one-week aberration.[/quote]

    I agree wtih Dan. As a Redskins fan I must say that I welcome the change to the white pants. I think it looks much more sleek and classy. The Skins have managed to update their look without getting all crazy with new logos and all. However, I do not endorse completely burning the burgundy pants, but maybe break them out once/year for Dallas or something.

  • Burrill | November 27, 2006 at 3:08 pm |

    Minna, it occurred to me that I think we have at least a few Photoshop-minded folks here who might be able to create a black Vikes alternate for your personal edification. Only if they are willing, of course.

    Me, I’m not so great on the Photoshop end. I much prefer the other side of photography.

  • kevlay | November 27, 2006 at 3:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”24951″][quote comment=”24947″] Cooley, XYZ Homie![/quote]

    Closing your link

    BJ L, huh? Please explain![/quote]

    cooley’s zipper is down (XYZ = examine your zipper)

  • Robert | November 27, 2006 at 3:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”24954″]That trademark site is great. The Washington Capitals trademarked a logo thats now dead, but they never used. The Florida Panthers have their logo trademarked in Spanish, the Carolina Hurricanes have some alternate logos (now dead) that were TM’d, the “Orlando Devil Rays” is trademarked by the TB group, and theres probably a ton more out there. Very cool. Perhaps Paul could do a whole UW blog on never used trademarked logos![/quote]

    The site wouldn’t work for me. Dang it.

  • Minna H | November 27, 2006 at 3:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”24961″][quote comment=”24959″]
    Aw, phooey on ESPN. I am grateful, Paul, that they publish your column—otherwise I would have been lonely in my uniform obsession. Thanks for providing a lively outlet for this particular quirk.[/quote]

    As would I for my obsessive-compulsive problem with NHL jerseys.

    Paul, you’ve done the world a fine service. Now if only the powers-that-be in the sports world would listen. ;o)[/quote]

    Teebz, this is like a support group.

    Hi, my name is Minna, {Hi, Minna}. I am an obsessed uni-watcher, and I-I-I don’t know where to turn. I can be watching a game, say, the Vikes-Cards, perfectly content to see my boys getting some offense going when wham! I am struck anew by how stupid the new unis are. {Preach it, Minna}. For the rest of the game, all I can do is think about the travesty that is the Viking uniform. I need help!

    If it’s wrong to be uni-obsessed, then I don’t want to be right.

  • kevlay | November 27, 2006 at 3:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”24958″]I remember someone mentioning that Florida State gives out “Academics” tomahawks but it was very hard to distinguish them from the other tomahawks. But while watching the UF-FSU game Saturday, I thought I saw a few tomahawks with different looking handles on them. You can definitely see some differences here.
    http://sports.espn.g...

    and here.
    http://sports.espn.g...

    dave, it looks like those “different looking handles” are actually just holes in the helmet.

  • bud | November 27, 2006 at 3:14 pm |

    WVU Tom Wrote:

    Interesting bit about the Wisconsin “W” copyright. I have never been a fan of the popular practice of high-schools mimicing college or professional logos (while usually just changing the color scheme), and it seems to happen a lot.

    I was really interested in this article though, because last year while visiting back home I attended a football game at my old high school — whose name I won’t mention to prevent being a “whistle-blower”, but my home town begins with the letter “W”. I was disappointed because their old, very original “W” logo, had been replaced with one that basically mimiced the Wisconsin “W”. With any luck, this new devolopement will prompt school officals to revert back to the old one.

    as a fellow mountaineer and former west virginia high school football player, i can only think of maybe two schools in the state that use that logo. one being at the top of the northern panhandle. but they’ve used it for a long time. any hints at what school you’re talking about? i gotta know.

  • Minna H | November 27, 2006 at 3:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”24968″][quote comment=”24951″][quote comment=”24947″] Cooley, XYZ Homie![/quote]

    Closing your link

    BJ L, huh? Please explain![/quote]

    cooley’s zipper is down (XYZ = examine your zipper)[/quote]

    Thanks, kevlay. I haven’t heard that expression in a loooong time. That takes me back.

  • Richard | November 27, 2006 at 3:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”24946″][quote comment=”24944″]

    and what about the eye black of another former Viking – Chris Hovan[/quote]

    Richard, he was never a favorite of mine. Here, he just looks plain stupid. I like his top tattoo, though.[/quote]

    This used to be his length – similar to Randle.

  • Ben | November 27, 2006 at 3:23 pm |

    Re: Ben Wallace not being allowed to wear a headband.

    Look assjack, you’re being paid $60,000,000 over 5 years, so I think you can survive not being allowed to wear a headband. Shut up and start scoring some fucking points. The fact that he’s bitching and bleating and acting like a huge crybaby about this shows how much of a spoiled and coddled douche he truly is.

    And as for Lucas’s comment that headbands prevent sweat from getting in your eyes, please. The only way to prevent that would be to stitch or staple the eyelids shut or wear the headband so low that it covers your eyes.

  • Minna H | November 27, 2006 at 3:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”24969″][quote comment=”24954″]That trademark site is great. The Washington Capitals trademarked a logo thats now dead, but they never used. The Florida Panthers have their logo trademarked in Spanish, the Carolina Hurricanes have some alternate logos (now dead) that were TM’d, the “Orlando Devil Rays” is trademarked by the TB group, and theres probably a ton more out there. Very cool. Perhaps Paul could do a whole UW blog on never used trademarked logos![/quote]

    The site wouldn’t work for me. Dang it.[/quote]

    Robert, I had a problem at first, too. Click on the trademark button after opening the link. Go to the glossary to the term TESS. Click on the link. Click on the first link—New User Form Search (Basic). Plug in what you want to find. This should work.

  • Minna H | November 27, 2006 at 3:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”24975″][quote comment=”24946″][quote comment=”24944″]

    and what about the eye black of another former Viking – Chris Hovan[/quote]

    Richard, he was never a favorite of mine. Here, he just looks plain stupid. I like his top tattoo, though.[/quote]

    This used to be his length – similar to Randle.[/quote]

    Uh, no. Just say no, Chris. It doesn’t look right on his pasty skin. Thanks for the graphic, Richard. Now, I just need to get it out of my mind.

  • tessa | November 27, 2006 at 3:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”24977″]Re: Ben Wallace not being allowed to wear a headband.

    Look assjack, you’re being paid $60,000,000 over 5 years, so I think you can survive not being allowed to wear a headband. Shut up and start scoring some fucking points. The fact that he’s bitching and bleating and acting like a huge crybaby about this shows how much of a spoiled and coddled douche he truly is.

    And as for Lucas’s comment that headbands prevent sweat from getting in your eyes, please. The only way to prevent that would be to stitch or staple the eyelids shut or wear the headband so low that it covers your eyes.[/quote]

    Whoa, with the animosity. Someone put his crankypants on this morning (and I betcha’ they’re purple)! I can handle the occasional profanity, but could we control the profanity-laced tirades? Thanks.

  • tessa | November 27, 2006 at 3:33 pm |

    Oh, and for the Trademark site, you can just go the the US Patents and Trademarks Office main site and click on “Search” in the navigational bar on the right hand side.

  • Broker75 | November 27, 2006 at 3:33 pm |

    Now this is definately an excellent uniform.

  • Minna H | November 27, 2006 at 3:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”24977″]Re: Ben Wallace not being allowed to wear a headband.

    Look assjack, you’re being paid $60,000,000 over 5 years, so I think you can survive not being allowed to wear a headband. Shut up and start scoring some fucking points. The fact that he’s bitching and bleating and acting like a huge crybaby about this shows how much of a spoiled and coddled douche he truly is.

    And as for Lucas’s comment that headbands prevent sweat from getting in your eyes, please. The only way to prevent that would be to stitch or staple the eyelids shut or wear the headband so low that it covers your eyes.[/quote]

    Ben, true. Big Ben should just play. On the other hand, Skiles should take the stick out of his ass. I think this sums it up perfectly:

    Let the Afro Grow. Start mid-page with Now we have Headbandgate.

    It’s micromanaging like this that really ticks people off—no matter how much money they make. Save the heavyhandedness for something that really matters, Skiles.

  • Minna H | November 27, 2006 at 3:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”24965″]Minna, it occurred to me that I think we have at least a few Photoshop-minded folks here who might be able to create a black Vikes alternate for your personal edification. Only if they are willing, of course.

    Me, I’m not so great on the Photoshop end. I much prefer the other side of photography.[/quote]

    That’s a great idea, Burrill. Ok, you Photoshop-heads out there. I’m putting out a call for a black-alternate Vikings uni that looks great. Who is up to the challenge?

  • Richard | November 27, 2006 at 3:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”24979″][quote comment=”24975″][quote comment=”24946″][quote comment=”24944″]

    and what about the eye black of another former Viking – Chris Hovan[/quote]

    Richard, he was never a favorite of mine. Here, he just looks plain stupid. I like his top tattoo, though.[/quote]

    This used to be his length – similar to Randle.[/quote]

    Uh, no. Just say no, Chris. It doesn’t look right on his pasty skin. Thanks for the graphic, Richard. Now, I just need to get it out of my mind.[/quote]

    At least his hair was normal…his pre-long hair days…

  • Minna H | November 27, 2006 at 3:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”24986″]
    At least his hair was normal…his pre-long hair days…[/quote]

    Yeah, but, Richard, you should know by now that I have a predilection for looooooong hair. Let’s just face it: Hovan is not a good-looking man.

  • Robert | November 27, 2006 at 3:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”24978″][quote comment=”24969″][quote comment=”24954″]That trademark site is great. The Washington Capitals trademarked a logo thats now dead, but they never used. The Florida Panthers have their logo trademarked in Spanish, the Carolina Hurricanes have some alternate logos (now dead) that were TM’d, the “Orlando Devil Rays” is trademarked by the TB group, and theres probably a ton more out there. Very cool. Perhaps Paul could do a whole UW blog on never used trademarked logos![/quote]

    The site wouldn’t work for me. Dang it.[/quote]

    Robert, I had a problem at first, too. Click on the trademark button after opening the link. Go to the glossary to the term TESS. Click on the link. Click on the first link—New User Form Search (Basic). Plug in what you want to find. This should work.[/quote]

    Excellent. Thanks.

  • Pat | November 27, 2006 at 4:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”24985″][quote comment=”24965″]Minna, it occurred to me that I think we have at least a few Photoshop-minded folks here who might be able to create a black Vikes alternate for your personal edification. Only if they are willing, of course.

    Me, I’m not so great on the Photoshop end. I much prefer the other side of photography.[/quote]

    That’s a great idea, Burrill. Ok, you Photoshop-heads out there. I’m putting out a call for a black-alternate Vikings uni that looks great. Who is up to the challenge?[/quote]

    Why black? Black alts are so cliche in today’s NFL. The Jags, the Ravens, the Lions. Why can’t a team come up with something else for an alt jersey. I know NFL uniform restrictions make it difficult to come up with something really unique but something has to be done with the black schtick.

    And, since most on here agree that purple is a color not fit for sports uniforms then why not sending out a call for the Photoshop guys (who I am one of and may experiment sometime soon with the uniform thing) to come up with a whole new color scheme? Something a little better than purple and yellow.

  • Broker75 | November 27, 2006 at 4:01 pm |

    Why can’t they ditch this and put this on a navy blue ball cap.
    P.S. I’m not giving up on this, until they do.
    (I think I’m gonna be around for a while)

  • todd krevanchi (krvanch) | November 27, 2006 at 4:12 pm |

    wow! what a holiday. i havent been keeping up with the blog like usual due to the “holiday bender” TM. this is different than the “sunday bender” TM, however the “holiday bender” TM can take place on a sunday in which you have an overlap of “benders”. in other words, ive been drinking since last tuesday…

    anyway, in seeing all of the info on trademarking, i noticed, that the term “gets it” had a TM behind it. it looks like luk followed the steps of pat riley “three-pete” and john calipari “refuse to lose” in trademarking a saying.

    i guess there will be new gear like mugs and mouse pads that say “i get it!” with the uniwatch logo beneath it…

  • sleepyfloyd | November 27, 2006 at 4:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”24964″][quote comment=”24928″][quote comment=”24897″][quote comment=”24881″]You forgot to mention that the Redskins finally went back to wearing the correct White over Burgandy uniforms for yesterday’s game.
    -V[/quote]

    AMEN! It’s about time the Redskins looked like the Redskins. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that they actually played like the Redskins yesterday too! Hopefully the white-on-white Bullsh*t is in the past.[/quote]

    I must disagree. I have hated the red pants from the day that the Redskins abandoned their cool yellow pants . . . how long has it been now, 25 or 30 years ago? The white-on-white was a welcome and long overdue change, so it is my hope that the red pants were a one-week aberration.[/quote]

    I agree wtih Dan. As a Redskins fan I must say that I welcome the change to the white pants. I think it looks much more sleek and classy. The Skins have managed to update their look without getting all crazy with new logos and all. However, I do not endorse completely burning the burgundy pants, but maybe break them out once/year for Dallas or something.[/quote]

    According to the Post, the players approached Gibbs asking to make the change. Ironically, the move to the all-white began with the Rams game last year, and started the winning streak at the end of last season.

    I’d love to see gold pants, as well as the gold “R” helmet that Lombardi brought to the club when he coached there (wanted them to look like the Packers – nothin’ wrong with that).

  • Taylor | November 27, 2006 at 4:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”24977″]Re: Ben Wallace not being allowed to wear a headband.

    Look assjack, you’re being paid $60,000,000 over 5 years, so I think you can survive not being allowed to wear a headband. Shut up and start scoring some fucking points. The fact that he’s bitching and bleating and acting like a huge crybaby about this shows how much of a spoiled and coddled douche he truly is.

    And as for Lucas’s comment that headbands prevent sweat from getting in your eyes, please. The only way to prevent that would be to stitch or staple the eyelids shut or wear the headband so low that it covers your eyes.[/quote]

    Whoa! Breathe! It’s not that big of a deal, really!

  • Taylor | November 27, 2006 at 4:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”24953″][quote comment=”24933″][quote comment=”24928″]I have hated the red pants from the day that the Redskins abandoned their cool yellow pants . . . how long has it been now, 25 or 30 years ago? The white-on-white was a welcome and long overdue change, so it is my hope that the red pants were a one-week aberration.[/quote]

    This > this.[/quote]

    Nice linkage. However, I must stick with my firmly-held belief that NFL teams should NEVER wear pants in a color other that white, silver, gray, gold or yellow.

    And red is the worst. It looks great on many college teams, but in the pros? No way.[/quote]

    I COULDN’T AGREE WITH YOU MORE!!! NFL teams should stay away from red and blue and black pants. It just looks like a high school team.

  • Minna H | November 27, 2006 at 4:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”24990″][quote comment=”24985″]

    That’s a great idea, Burrill. Ok, you Photoshop-heads out there. I’m putting out a call for a black-alternate Vikings uni that looks great. Who is up to the challenge?[/quote]

    Why black? Black alts are so cliche in today’s NFL. The Jags, the Ravens, the Lions. Why can’t a team come up with something else for an alt jersey. I know NFL uniform restrictions make it difficult to come up with something really unique but something has to be done with the black schtick.

    And, since most on here agree that purple is a color not fit for sports uniforms then why not sending out a call for the Photoshop guys (who I am one of and may experiment sometime soon with the uniform thing) to come up with a whole new color scheme? Something a little better than purple and yellow.[/quote]

    Pat, the black is for me personally as black is my favorite color. I liked the old school Vikings’ unis, but not these. Burrill was just suggesting it because he knows of my love for all things black. If you want to try another color, I would be open to it—but be forewarned that I probably will not like it as much as a black alternate.

  • Gary | November 27, 2006 at 4:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”24955″]My old high school, Lodi, uses the Rams alternate logo and the Broncos stripe on their helmet.
    While their opponent, Lenape Valley, is using the old Patriots logo.

    http://www.photorefl...

    Lodi’s opponent in last years state championship game also used the K-State logo.

    http://www.photorefl...

    I remember reading somewhere that K-State is very liberal in licensing the Powercat to High Schools, for something like $1 a year. Here is a list of high schools that are licensed to use the logo. Chatham doesn’t appear to be on that list…

  • BBFAN | November 27, 2006 at 4:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”24977″]Re: Ben Wallace not being allowed to wear a headband.

    Look assjack, you’re being paid $60,000,000 over 5 years, so I think you can survive not being allowed to wear a headband. Shut up and start scoring some fucking points. The fact that he’s bitching and bleating and acting like a huge crybaby about this shows how much of a spoiled and coddled douche he truly is.

    And as for Lucas’s comment that headbands prevent sweat from getting in your eyes, please. The only way to prevent that would be to stitch or staple the eyelids shut or wear the headband so low that it covers your eyes.[/quote]

    While I actually agree with you on most of your points, you need to chill out. One of the reasons I like this comment section is the lack of animosity people show here, and the general sense of community amongst Uni-Watch readers.

    It seems more and more (on other sites) that people hide behind screen names and fire insults at one another (and public figures) from their ivory towers. So I find this site refreshing because not only does Paul put a lot of time and effort in, but the readers are so passionate and thorough in their posts.

    By the way, I wasn’t offended by your post, and I apologize for the soap box speach, but if you go through past comment sections, you’ll probably see almost zero posts similar to yours. I really hope that doesn’t change.

  • Matthew S. | November 27, 2006 at 4:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”24992″]wow! what a holiday. i havent been keeping up with the blog like usual due to the “holiday bender” TM. this is different than the “sunday bender” TM, however the “holiday bender” TM can take place on a sunday in which you have an overlap of “benders”. in other words, ive been drinking since last tuesday…

    anyway, in seeing all of the info on trademarking, i noticed, that the term “gets it” had a TM behind it. it looks like luk followed the steps of pat riley “three-pete” and john calipari “refuse to lose” in trademarking a saying.

    i guess there will be new gear like mugs and mouse pads that say “i get it!” with the uniwatch logo beneath it…[/quote]

    I love this idea. I would absolutely buy a Uni Watch mousepad, especially if it had ‘I get it!’ written on it. Paul, can we make this happen?

    As for Ben, dude, you make good points and make up interesting words (assjack? that’s a new one to me), but this isn’t the Jim Rome Show.

    I’m a huge fan of alternate uniforms, except when they’re overused like the Mets black uniform and a certain Cubs pitcher who apparently only feels good wearing blue–[cough] Zambrano [cough]–but the spate of black jerseys in all leagues is getting out of control. I’m glad the NBA nixed all black alternates this year, it’s forced some teams (like the Jazz) to be more creative. And in the end, isn’t that a large part of uniform design?

  • Teebz | November 27, 2006 at 4:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”24970″]
    Hi, my name is Minna, {Hi, Minna}. I am an obsessed uni-watcher, and I-I-I don’t know where to turn. I can be watching a game, say, the Vikes-Cards, perfectly content to see my boys getting some offense going when wham! I am struck anew by how stupid the new unis are. {Preach it, Minna}. For the rest of the game, all I can do is think about the travesty that is the Viking uniform. I need help!

    If it’s wrong to be uni-obsessed, then I don’t want to be right.[/quote]

    Testify, sister. Testify. :o)

  • Andrew | November 27, 2006 at 5:20 pm |

    This may be stating the already-seen, but over recent years and trips to Michigan Basketball games, I’ve noticed that sometimes Lester Abram, and many opponents have uber nike logos on their socks. They have two and sometimes three logos (from three different socks/braces) visible at a time on the back of their legs. Somewhat disturbing, sorry for no photo evidence, but I think it has been witnessed before.

  • bobby d | November 27, 2006 at 5:43 pm |

    No time to read any comments above but did anyone notice the guy wearing a “Dartmout” uniform? = D

  • ACC (the Brain) | November 27, 2006 at 6:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”24990″][quote comment=”24985″][quote comment=”24965″]Minna, it occurred to me that I think we have at least a few Photoshop-minded folks here who might be able to create a black Vikes alternate for your personal edification. Only if they are willing, of course.

    Me, I’m not so great on the Photoshop end. I much prefer the other side of photography.[/quote]

    That’s a great idea, Burrill. Ok, you Photoshop-heads out there. I’m putting out a call for a black-alternate Vikings uni that looks great. Who is up to the challenge?[/quote]

    Why black? Black alts are so cliche in today’s NFL. The Jags, the Ravens, the Lions. Why can’t a team come up with something else for an alt jersey. I know NFL uniform restrictions make it difficult to come up with something really unique but something has to be done with the black schtick.

    And, since most on here agree that purple is a color not fit for sports uniforms then why not sending out a call for the Photoshop guys (who I am one of and may experiment sometime soon with the uniform thing) to come up with a whole new color scheme? Something a little better than purple and yellow.[/quote]

    Um…aren’t Ravens black in real life? Cliche or not I think they should wear black jerseys.

    Lions and Jaguars…you have a point.

  • Paul Lukas | November 27, 2006 at 6:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”25000″]I would absolutely buy a Uni Watch mousepad, especially if it had ‘I get it!’ written on it. Paul, can we make this happen?[/quote]

    Actually, we’re about to get bunch of new Uni Watch products up for sale — travel mugs, tote bags, trucker caps, etc. And everything (including the stuff we already have, like t-shirts and coffee mugs) will be available in two logo designs: the one we’ve been using (i.e., the one at the top of this page), plus this one. More on all of this soon.

    Does anyone still use a mouse pad?

  • neil j | November 27, 2006 at 6:06 pm |

    Kind of relating to the ESPN article: During the Giants Game, Devin Hester of the Bears was wearing one long black stripe of tape, with smaller white stripes running vertically through the sticker. It was clearly visible on most shots of him before he returned punts and on the sideline after the FG return for a TD. Did anyone Tivo this game, and if so, can you get a screen shot? I cant find any pictures where his face is visible.

  • Jill | November 27, 2006 at 6:07 pm |

    Although it pains me to admit I watch this crap. Lots of eyeblack on a guy from Two-a-Days

  • ACC (the Brain) | November 27, 2006 at 6:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”24995″][quote comment=”24953″][quote comment=”24933″][quote comment=”24928″]I have hated the red pants from the day that the Redskins abandoned their cool yellow pants . . . how long has it been now, 25 or 30 years ago? The white-on-white was a welcome and long overdue change, so it is my hope that the red pants were a one-week aberration.[/quote]

    This > this.[/quote]

    Nice linkage. However, I must stick with my firmly-held belief that NFL teams should NEVER wear pants in a color other that white, silver, gray, gold or yellow.

    And red is the worst. It looks great on many college teams, but in the pros? No way.[/quote]

    I COULDN’T AGREE WITH YOU MORE!!! NFL teams should stay away from red and blue and black pants. It just looks like a high school team.[/quote]

    High school team? No I don’t see it.

    What looks high school is putting the team name in big block letters above the numbers. I believe some colleges do this, i.e. Oklahoma.

    Dark colored pants have been around for decades so I think they look fine on certain teams.

  • ACC (the Brain) | November 27, 2006 at 6:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”24999″][quote comment=”24977″]Re: Ben Wallace not being allowed to wear a headband.

    Look assjack, you’re being paid $60,000,000 over 5 years, so I think you can survive not being allowed to wear a headband. Shut up and start scoring some fucking points. The fact that he’s bitching and bleating and acting like a huge crybaby about this shows how much of a spoiled and coddled douche he truly is.

    And as for Lucas’s comment that headbands prevent sweat from getting in your eyes, please. The only way to prevent that would be to stitch or staple the eyelids shut or wear the headband so low that it covers your eyes.[/quote]

    While I actually agree with you on most of your points, you need to chill out. One of the reasons I like this comment section is the lack of animosity people show here, and the general sense of community amongst Uni-Watch readers.

    It seems more and more (on other sites) that people hide behind screen names and fire insults at one another (and public figures) from their ivory towers. So I find this site refreshing because not only does Paul put a lot of time and effort in, but the readers are so passionate and thorough in their posts.

    By the way, I wasn’t offended by your post, and I apologize for the soap box speach, but if you go through past comment sections, you’ll probably see almost zero posts similar to yours. I really hope that doesn’t change.[/quote]

    If he’s an honest to God Bulls fan he has a right to be steamed.
    The guy got the free agent contract of the year.

    If he’s a regular Joe fan then I agree with you the guy should chill out.

  • mg12 | November 27, 2006 at 6:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”24991″]Why can’t they ditch this and put this on a navy blue ball cap.
    P.S. I’m not giving up on this, until they do.
    (I think I’m gonna be around for a while)[/quote]

    I dunno man, I like the current bluejays logo, but I also used to love this logo.

    http://en.wikipedia....

    I had an old bluejays hat as a kid. I had no idea where Toronto was. I just loved the hat. Being from St. Louis, I got a lot of strange looks.

  • bobby d | November 27, 2006 at 6:39 pm |

    No love for Ben Wallace on here, eh? Personally when I first read that Skiles put in that rule I thought: Is ya crazay, trying to put down your monster player, just so you can be all uppity?

    Big deal is right, it goes both ways, innit? What’s the big deal with letting Big Ben wear his headband…is the only way his Fro looks cool? Why even go there? I thought Skiles was a good coach, to me he’s blowing it with this sophomoric show of “Who’s Da Boss”…

  • ACC (the Brain) | November 27, 2006 at 6:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”24993″][quote comment=”24964″][quote comment=”24928″][quote comment=”24897″][quote comment=”24881″]You forgot to mention that the Redskins finally went back to wearing the correct White over Burgandy uniforms for yesterday’s game.
    -V[/quote]

    AMEN! It’s about time the Redskins looked like the Redskins. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that they actually played like the Redskins yesterday too! Hopefully the white-on-white Bullsh*t is in the past.[/quote]

    I must disagree. I have hated the red pants from the day that the Redskins abandoned their cool yellow pants . . . how long has it been now, 25 or 30 years ago? The white-on-white was a welcome and long overdue change, so it is my hope that the red pants were a one-week aberration.[/quote]

    I agree wtih Dan. As a Redskins fan I must say that I welcome the change to the white pants. I think it looks much more sleek and classy. The Skins have managed to update their look without getting all crazy with new logos and all. However, I do not endorse completely burning the burgundy pants, but maybe break them out once/year for Dallas or something.[/quote]

    According to the Post, the players approached Gibbs asking to make the change. Ironically, the move to the all-white began with the Rams game last year, and started the winning streak at the end of last season.

    I’d love to see gold pants, as well as the gold “R” helmet that Lombardi brought to the club when he coached there (wanted them to look like the Packers – nothin’ wrong with that).[/quote]

    Serious??

    I wouldn’t mind seeing the gold pants return but the gold helmet – no thanks.

    I think there is something wrong trying to look like another team! That’s what the original Bengals and Paul Brown did to copy the Browns.
    How about being original.

    Why would a Redskins fan want to honor Lombardi that much?

    I do think that after Gibbs retires – they will get a new logo to appease the Native American tribes who oppose the name Redskins.

  • Noonan | November 27, 2006 at 6:55 pm |

    Thanks Burril for the the links to the Menominee vs. Madison game!

    Seriously folks, have you ever come across something more ridiculous than an entire team that looks like this?

    I’ve never been a big fan of Menominee’s look, but coming from a school that wears purple I can’t say too much. Our old unis were cheap ripoffs of the old purple/gold Vikings unis, and I liked them better than what we have now, but since I’m defending purple here, I’ll just stop now.

  • Larry | November 27, 2006 at 7:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”24941″][quote comment=”24905″]I personally do not see the big deal with the use of the logos by high school teams. In NY there are many high school teams that I know of that use another teams logo. Geneva High School uses the exact same helmet as the University of Georgia, and Guilderland uses the “G” that is used by Georgia, Grambling, and most notably the Green Packers. The Florida State Spear logo is used by Peru, Ravena, and Stillwater. Ballston Spa uses the Clemson Claw design, Burnt Hills uses the Michigan State Spartan (also only have logo on one side like the Steelers), and Columbia has the exact same helmet as UCONN. So to make sure that no other school uses a logo is absurd. There are far too many teams that do so to completely eliminate the imitation.[/quote]

    As a graduate of Guilderland, this was really cool to see. Many moons ago, the unis had the clipper ship on them, as we were/are the Guilderland Flying Dutchmen.

    It was different, but I much prefer that to the inane lack of creativity shown by so many other schools. How many more Patriots/Vikings/Tigers do we really need?[/quote]

    I remember my elementary school, St. Gemma. The mascot was the Shamrocks. The old helmet was white and had a cool shamrock logo. Then, about ten to fifteen years ago, they went with the generic Green Bay Packers “G.”

    I miss the shamrock.

  • Tim B | November 27, 2006 at 7:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”25013″][quote comment=”24991″]Why can’t they ditch this and put this on a navy blue ball cap.
    P.S. I’m not giving up on this, until they do.
    (I think I’m gonna be around for a while)[/quote]

    I dunno man, I like the current bluejays logo, but I also used to love this logo.

    http://en.wikipedia....

    I had an old bluejays hat as a kid. I had no idea where Toronto was. I just loved the hat. Being from St. Louis, I got a lot of strange looks.[/quote]

    I don’t like the new Jays logo either. I was always a big fan of the original one (Doug Ault, Steve Staggs, Otto Velez….those were the days). They blew it with all those logos they had after the original.

  • JesseGavin | November 27, 2006 at 7:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”24940″]Does anybody have pictures/grabs of the USC player whose pants were so ripped vs ND that it was held together with tape?

    Mike[/quote]

    The player you’re talking about is RB CJ Gable (#25). Couldn’t find a picture of him where you can see the rip in the back of his pants, but you can easily see the tape job in this pic…

  • JesseGavin | November 27, 2006 at 7:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”25022″][quote comment=”24940″]Does anybody have pictures/grabs of the USC player whose pants were so ripped vs ND that it was held together with tape?

    Mike[/quote]

    The player you’re talking about is RB CJ Gable (#25). Couldn’t find a picture of him where you can see the rip in the back of his pants, but you can easily see the tape job in this pic…[/quote]

    CJ Gable

  • todd krevanchi (krvanch) | November 27, 2006 at 8:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”25008″]Although it pains me to admit I watch this crap. Lots of eyeblack on a guy from Two-a-Days[/quote]

    oh no! you have to say that shit loud! i am a proud fan of mtv reality shows, ESPECIALLY laguna beach. one day there was a marathon on mtv. i happened to sit down on a saturday afternoon at like 1 pm… i totally got roped into the lives of these rich high school kids. i think i ended up watching 13 consecutive hours of laguna beach. can i say that i have virtually every “real world” dvd release. thats complete seasons, bloopers, never seen footage, etc.

  • LouUmp | November 27, 2006 at 8:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”24916″][quote comment=”24915″]Paul is there legally a difference between a logo and just a letter? Because the “w” on the Wisconsin helmet is slanted it counts as a picture not a letter? I would find it hard to believe somebody could copywrite a letter (like the connecticut C, its a block letter c).[/quote]

    I know I am not Paul, but I might be able to shed some light here. What you are more likely to see than a copyright in this situation is a trademark. This matters for more than just the definition of “trademark” versus “copyright.” Trademarks can be renewed indefinitely, as long as they are used in commerce. Copyrights can eventually become public property. You can trademark anything that is representative of your product. That includes a letter, a font, a logo, or even a color. The government keeps a database called the Trademark Electronic Search System, or TESS.

    It is a lot of fun to look up your favorite team and see everything that they have trademarked. For instance, the Yankees still have the New York Highlanders trademarked.[/quote]

    The Brewers still hold onto the Seattle Pilots TM too….not to mention the NBA, which holds onto the trademarks of all the old ABA teams they drove out of business like the Miami Floridians…

    And if you ever want to use ‘Frankford Yellowjackets’ on a shirt, the NFL will get ya too!

  • Andrew | November 27, 2006 at 8:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”24941″][quote comment=”24905″]I personally do not see the big deal with the use of the logos by high school teams. In NY there are many high school teams that I know of that use another teams logo. Geneva High School uses the exact same helmet as the University of Georgia, and Guilderland uses the “G” that is used by Georgia, Grambling, and most notably the Green Packers. The Florida State Spear logo is used by Peru, Ravena, and Stillwater. Ballston Spa uses the Clemson Claw design, Burnt Hills uses the Michigan State Spartan (also only have logo on one side like the Steelers), and Columbia has the exact same helmet as UCONN. So to make sure that no other school uses a logo is absurd. There are far too many teams that do so to completely eliminate the imitation.[/quote]

    As a graduate of Guilderland, this was really cool to see. Many moons ago, the unis had the clipper ship on them, as we were/are the Guilderland Flying Dutchmen.

    It was different, but I much prefer that to the inane lack of creativity shown by so many other schools. How many more Patriots/Vikings/Tigers do we really need?[/quote]

    Us up here in Michigan have the creativity you’ve been starving for… Burrill can agree, I remember he’s from Chelsea (Bulldogs, pretty uncreative). Over here in rival Dexter, we’re the Dreadnaughts, and teams in our conference include the Fighting Mules of Temperance Bedford, and the Maples of Adrian. Michigan is creative in other places as well (see ESPN commercials about the Nimrods of Watersmeet), but nothing beats the ol’ SEC conference for creativity. Though, I regret to say, we have a team that is basically solely PURPLE (Ann Arbor Pioneer), and just outside Ann Arbor, another team we play has PURPLE and gold (Ypsilanti)

  • Tom | November 27, 2006 at 8:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”24972″]WVU Tom Wrote:

    Interesting bit about the Wisconsin “W” copyright. I have never been a fan of the popular practice of high-schools mimicing college or professional logos (while usually just changing the color scheme), and it seems to happen a lot.

    I was really interested in this article though, because last year while visiting back home I attended a football game at my old high school — whose name I won’t mention to prevent being a “whistle-blower”, but my home town begins with the letter “W”. I was disappointed because their old, very original “W” logo, had been replaced with one that basically mimiced the Wisconsin “W”. With any luck, this new devolopement will prompt school officals to revert back to the old one.

    as a fellow mountaineer and former west virginia high school football player, i can only think of maybe two schools in the state that use that logo. one being at the top of the northern panhandle. but they’ve used it for a long time. any hints at what school you’re talking about? i gotta know.[/quote]

    I did go to school at WVU, but my high school days were spent in north/central MD.

  • WVU Tom | November 27, 2006 at 8:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”25028″][quote comment=”24972″]WVU Tom Wrote:

    Interesting bit about the Wisconsin “W” copyright. I have never been a fan of the popular practice of high-schools mimicing college or professional logos (while usually just changing the color scheme), and it seems to happen a lot.

    I was really interested in this article though, because last year while visiting back home I attended a football game at my old high school — whose name I won’t mention to prevent being a “whistle-blower”, but my home town begins with the letter “W”. I was disappointed because their old, very original “W” logo, had been replaced with one that basically mimiced the Wisconsin “W”. With any luck, this new devolopement will prompt school officals to revert back to the old one.

    as a fellow mountaineer and former west virginia high school football player, i can only think of maybe two schools in the state that use that logo. one being at the top of the northern panhandle. but they’ve used it for a long time. any hints at what school you’re talking about? i gotta know.[/quote]

    I did go to school at WVU, but my high school days were spent in north/central MD.[/quote]

    Sorry, I’m using a different computer–just want to verify that I, “WVU Tom” am the same “Tom” that made the above post.

  • Kevin | November 27, 2006 at 8:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”25027″][quote comment=”24941″][quote comment=”24905″]I personally do not see the big deal with the use of the logos by high school teams. In NY there are many high school teams that I know of that use another teams logo. Geneva High School uses the exact same helmet as the University of Georgia, and Guilderland uses the “G” that is used by Georgia, Grambling, and most notably the Green Packers. The Florida State Spear logo is used by Peru, Ravena, and Stillwater. Ballston Spa uses the Clemson Claw design, Burnt Hills uses the Michigan State Spartan (also only have logo on one side like the Steelers), and Columbia has the exact same helmet as UCONN. So to make sure that no other school uses a logo is absurd. There are far too many teams that do so to completely eliminate the imitation.[/quote]

    As a graduate of Guilderland, this was really cool to see. Many moons ago, the unis had the clipper ship on them, as we were/are the Guilderland Flying Dutchmen.

    It was different, but I much prefer that to the inane lack of creativity shown by so many other schools. How many more Patriots/Vikings/Tigers do we really need?[/quote]

    Us up here in Michigan have the creativity you’ve been starving for… Burrill can agree, I remember he’s from Chelsea (Bulldogs, pretty uncreative). Over here in rival Dexter, we’re the Dreadnaughts, and teams in our conference include the Fighting Mules of Temperance Bedford, and the Maples of Adrian. Michigan is creative in other places as well (see ESPN commercials about the Nimrods of Watersmeet), but nothing beats the ol’ SEC conference for creativity. Though, I regret to say, we have a team that is basically solely PURPLE (Ann Arbor Pioneer), and just outside Ann Arbor, another team we play has PURPLE and gold (Ypsilanti)[/quote]

    Andrew man, why you gotta be hating on my high school? Its ok though, you are allowed to being that you don’t have to walk in the front doors with a big sign that says PURPLE PRIDE ever day. Other than the kicking mules, I personally enjoy Ann Arbor’s other public high school’s name (and a high school I also attended at one time) Huron High School River Rats. Complete with a simpson’s -ish looking river rat for its logo.

  • Kevin K | November 27, 2006 at 8:32 pm |

    my high school being Ann Arbor Pioneer, which i feel has some very classy football unis (burril, could you help me out with some pics?)

  • todd krevanchi (krvanch) | November 27, 2006 at 8:43 pm |

    from todays page 2 article…

    • DeSean Jackson: The Cal wideout wears “THA1” (here’s a closer look), which means either he’s still using his high school nickname (he was known as “Tha Chosen One” back at Long Beach Poly) or else he’s a big fan of Neo.

    THA1? are you serious? i hope the last character is an awkward capital i, and that he is trying to write the word THAI. but c’mon, THA 1?
    so now we are going out of our way to mispell articles? tha… what an idiot.

  • Timmy D | November 27, 2006 at 8:46 pm |

    Favre is wearing a black undershirt in tonight’s game…cannot remember when black was an official Green Bay color. Just an interesting tidbit.

  • Jon | November 27, 2006 at 8:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”24905″]I personally do not see the big deal with the use of the logos by high school teams. In NY there are many high school teams that I know of that use another teams logo. Geneva High School uses the exact same helmet as the University of Georgia, and Guilderland uses the “G” that is used by Georgia, Grambling, and most notably the Green Packers. The Florida State Spear logo is used by Peru, Ravena, and Stillwater. Ballston Spa uses the Clemson Claw design, Burnt Hills uses the Michigan State Spartan (also only have logo on one side like the Steelers), and Columbia has the exact same helmet as UCONN. So to make sure that no other school uses a logo is absurd. There are far too many teams that do so to completely eliminate the imitation.[/quote]

    Here‘s the Columbia helmet (click the little magnifying glass to see it a little better). I can’t tell if it has the outline like UConn’s or not.
    This helmet is new this year. They used to use a lion logo, as that is their mascot.
    Regardless, changing to the block C on the helmet probably has to do with the coach, who came from UConn this year.

  • LunchBox | November 27, 2006 at 8:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”24956″]

    Let’s put it this way: I’m not in a position to make any demands of the ESPN folks. Just be glad they publish my stuff.

    And we’ve got a nice logo here on this site.[/quote]

    Hey Paul, maybe you can ask ESPN to replace their uni watch logo with this. Hehehe.

  • WVU Tom | November 27, 2006 at 9:09 pm |

    Well, I can’t find a pic of my old high school’s helmet logo (the wisconsin-esque “W”), but I did find another blatant rip off, which you can see here in the schools offical athetic logo:

    Westminster HS
    If it doesn’t look familiar, see this:

    Temple Owls

    Of course, this isn’t as bad as one of our other county rivals, North Carroll HS:

    NCHS

  • Jill | November 27, 2006 at 9:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”25027″]Andrew man, why are you hating on my high school? Its ok though, you are allowed to being that you don’t have to walk in the front doors with a big sign that says PURPLE PRIDE ever day. Other than the kicking mules, I personally enjoy Ann Arbor’s other public high school’s name (and a high school I also attended at one time) Huron High School River Rats. Complete with a simpson’s -ish looking river rat for its logo.[/quote]

    I want a River Rats tshirt. The high school I went to had the stupidest mascot…River Forest Ingots. Yes, an Ingot, like a hunk of metal (steel country). Our opponents didn’t even know what the mascot was. They all called us River Rats.

  • Rick | November 27, 2006 at 9:26 pm |

    I know we have discussed this before but looks some Tiger world champ shirts got released in Detroit this year.

    Tiger Fan

    By the was Ben, Paul spells his name “Lukas”

  • Mark | November 27, 2006 at 9:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”25006″][quote comment=”25000″]I would absolutely buy a Uni Watch mousepad, especially if it had ‘I get it!’ written on it. Paul, can we make this happen?[/quote]

    Actually, we’re about to get bunch of new Uni Watch products up for sale — travel mugs, tote bags, trucker caps, etc. And everything (including the stuff we already have, like t-shirts and coffee mugs) will be available in two logo designs: the one we’ve been using (i.e., the one at the top of this page), plus this one. More on all of this soon.

    Does anyone still use a mouse pad?[/quote]
    Make those trucker caps big Paul, some of us have bigger domes than others!

  • JSwerdy | November 27, 2006 at 9:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”25039″][quote comment=”25027″]

    I want a River Rats tshirt. The high school I went to had the stupidest mascot…River Forest Ingots. Yes, an Ingot, like a hunk of metal (steel country). Our opponents didn’t even know what the mascot was. They all called us River Rats.[/quote]

    also bad is my high school alma mater, the University School Suns. our colors were green and white (the school would throw a yellow/gold in randomly, but stuck more to green/white than green/white/gold)

  • Thorold Blair | November 27, 2006 at 9:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”25036″][quote comment=”24905″]I personally do not see the big deal with the use of the logos by high school teams. In NY there are many high school teams that I know of that use another teams logo. Geneva High School uses the exact same helmet as the University of Georgia, and Guilderland uses the “G” that is used by Georgia, Grambling, and most notably the Green Packers. The Florida State Spear logo is used by Peru, Ravena, and Stillwater. Ballston Spa uses the Clemson Claw design, Burnt Hills uses the Michigan State Spartan (also only have logo on one side like the Steelers), and Columbia has the exact same helmet as UCONN. So to make sure that no other school uses a logo is absurd. There are far too many teams that do so to completely eliminate the imitation.[/quote]

    Here‘s the Columbia helmet (click the little magnifying glass to see it a little better). I can’t tell if it has the outline like UConn’s or not.
    This helmet is new this year. They used to use a lion logo, as that is their mascot.
    Regardless, changing to the block C on the helmet probably has to do with the coach, who came from UConn this year.[/quote]

    I think he meant a Columbia High School somewhere in New York, not Columbia University. At least that’s what I took from the post.

  • tessa | November 27, 2006 at 9:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”25039″][quote comment=”25027″]Andrew man, why are you hating on my high school? Its ok though, you are allowed to being that you don’t have to walk in the front doors with a big sign that says PURPLE PRIDE ever day. Other than the kicking mules, I personally enjoy Ann Arbor’s other public high school’s name (and a high school I also attended at one time) Huron High School River Rats. Complete with a simpson’s -ish looking river rat for its logo.[/quote]

    I want a River Rats tshirt. The high school I went to had the stupidest mascot…River Forest Ingots. Yes, an Ingot, like a hunk of metal (steel country). Our opponents didn’t even know what the mascot was. They all called us River Rats.[/quote]

    What is it with steel? It is as though we in “Steel Country” have this obsessive need to respect where we came from with our sports teams, but we can’t all be the Steelers. The Ingots and the new Phillies AAA team (discussed about a week ago on this board) the IronPigs. Crazy.

  • Burrill | November 27, 2006 at 9:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”25033″]my high school being Ann Arbor Pioneer, which i feel has some very classy football unis (burril, could you help me out with some pics?)[/quote]

    You know me too well.

    I’m not sure if the SEC gets a ton of points for creativity, but I’ll run through it with as many photos as I have.

    First, I don’t have pictures of the varsity, but here are the JV unis for the Lincoln Railsplitters.
    As you requested, the Ann Arbor Pioneer Pioneers — home and away.
    The Dexter Dreadnaughts — cool name with a cartoony muscular ship as a logo. Though they tend to call themselves the Dreads, which makes them sound a bit like a hairstyle.
    The Saline Hornets — the previously mentioned blueberry home and away.
    The Adrian Maples (away).
    The Tecumseh Indians (home) — perhaps Minna’s favorite SEC team.
    The Bedford Kicking Mules (home).
    And my own team, the blandly-named Chelsea Bulldogs: home, away, and short-lived all-whites.

    The Huron River Rats are set to join the SEC next year, and the still-unnamed (and not yet completed) third Ann Arbor school will also join the conference. (Some are pushing for Schembechler High; I don’t see the city going for that.)

    I think one of my favorite school names in Michigan was the Plymouth Rocks. Unfortunately, things changed, and now they’re the Canton Rocks, which doesn’t have the same ring.

  • MikeR | November 27, 2006 at 9:57 pm |

    Just wanted to share this rather refreshing spin on the NikeWorld b-ball uni. Not a good look at the shoulder stripe, but we all know what they look like, right? Does it surprise you that this look comes to us from a classy U like Penn State?

  • Burrill | November 27, 2006 at 10:01 pm |

    By the way, two former members of the SEC are the Pinckney Pirates and another Minna-friendly team: the Milan Big Reds.

    Actually, if I remember correctly, the Pirates were also prone to fits of black.

  • TD | November 27, 2006 at 10:03 pm |

    Hmm. Cold, snow, wind. No black pants on the refs.

    I’m starting to think they can’t bring themselves to wear them.

  • Kevin K | November 27, 2006 at 10:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”25048″][quote comment=”25033″]my high school being Ann Arbor Pioneer, which i feel has some very classy football unis (burril, could you help me out with some pics?)[/quote]

    I think one of my favorite school names in Michigan was the Plymouth Rocks. Unfortunately, things changed, and now they’re the Canton Rocks, which doesn’t have the same ring.[/quote]

    not to rain on your parade…but canton is the chiefs, salem is the rocks, and plymouth, as you stated dissappointingly, is the predators (wanna guess which nhl team’s logo they use?) and yes, i liked the rocks as well. anyone that can be proud to say they are a rock, and sport a caveman on a jersey, is ok in my books.

  • Jill | November 27, 2006 at 10:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”25046″]

    What is it with steel? It is as though we in “Steel Country” have this obsessive need to respect where we came from with our sports teams, but we can’t all be the Steelers. The Ingots and the new Phillies AAA team (discussed about a week ago on this board) the IronPigs. Crazy.[/quote]

    Where I grew up (by Gary, Indiana) the mills are closing anyway so it is not even a source of pride anymore. I guess now it just reminds the kids that they won’t have high paying mill jobs when they graduate high school. Maybe they should change the mascot to something more realistic…’the janitors’ or perhaps ‘the crackheads.’

  • MikeR | November 27, 2006 at 10:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”25051″]Hmm. Cold, snow, wind. No black pants on the refs.

    I’m starting to think they can’t bring themselves to wear them.[/quote]

    I’m with TD and have been wondering the same thing. We can only hope for a phase out of the new shirts.

  • Burrill | November 27, 2006 at 10:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”25052″][quote comment=”25048″][quote comment=”25033″]my high school being Ann Arbor Pioneer, which i feel has some very classy football unis (burril, could you help me out with some pics?)[/quote]

    I think one of my favorite school names in Michigan was the Plymouth Rocks. Unfortunately, things changed, and now they’re the Canton Rocks, which doesn’t have the same ring.[/quote]

    not to rain on your parade…but canton is the chiefs, salem is the rocks, and plymouth, as you stated dissappointingly, is the predators (wanna guess which nhl team’s logo they use?) and yes, i liked the rocks as well. anyone that can be proud to say they are a rock, and sport a caveman on a jersey, is ok in my books.[/quote]

    Dang. I know there’s a giant conglomeration of schools there, but I couldn’t remember how they were configured. Thanks for the correction.

  • Butch | November 27, 2006 at 10:35 pm |

    Check out the Loyola Collge Prep Flyers helmets here from Shreveport, LA.

    They actually got written permission in the 60’s or 70’s from Charles Schultz to use the logo. Still have the letter framed at the school.

  • TD | November 27, 2006 at 10:46 pm |

    The references to ‘Columbia’ up yonder are to Columbia High School in East Greenbush, NY, not Columbia University in NYC.

  • Jim H | November 27, 2006 at 10:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”25044″][quote comment=”25036″][quote comment=”24905″]I personally do not see the big deal with the use of the logos by high school teams. In NY there are many high school teams that I know of that use another teams logo. Geneva High School uses the exact same helmet as the University of Georgia, and Guilderland uses the “G” that is used by Georgia, Grambling, and most notably the Green Packers. The Florida State Spear logo is used by Peru, Ravena, and Stillwater. Ballston Spa uses the Clemson Claw design, Burnt Hills uses the Michigan State Spartan (also only have logo on one side like the Steelers), and Columbia has the exact same helmet as UCONN. So to make sure that no other school uses a logo is absurd. There are far too many teams that do so to completely eliminate the imitation.[/quote]

    Here‘s the Columbia helmet (click the little magnifying glass to see it a little better). I can’t tell if it has the outline like UConn’s or not.
    This helmet is new this year. They used to use a lion logo, as that is their mascot.
    Regardless, changing to the block C on the helmet probably has to do with the coach, who came from UConn this year.[/quote]

    I think he meant a Columbia High School somewhere in New York, not Columbia University. At least that’s what I took from the post.[/quote]

    Yeah thats my fault, I meant Columbia High School in Section 2 NY.

  • Kelli | November 27, 2006 at 10:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”25055″][quote comment=”25051″]Hmm. Cold, snow, wind. No black pants on the refs.

    I’m starting to think they can’t bring themselves to wear them.[/quote]

    I’m with TD and have been wondering the same thing. We can only hope for a phase out of the new shirts.[/quote]

    I agree. I think the refs have a lot more sense than the league.

  • MikeR | November 27, 2006 at 10:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”25058″]Check out the Loyola Collge Prep Flyers helmets here from Shreveport, LA.

    They actually got written permission in the 60’s or 70’s from Charles Schultz to use the logo. Still have the letter framed at the school.[/quote]

    Brings back memories of Oregon’s use of Donald Duck. Oh, the good ole’ days!

  • Kel | November 27, 2006 at 11:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”25059″]The references to ‘Columbia’ up yonder are to Columbia High School in East Greenbush, NY, not Columbia University in NYC.[/quote]

    Of course, SOME of us actually stuck around to attend high school up there instead of traipsing off to some fancy schmancy prep school! :-)

  • Dain | November 27, 2006 at 11:07 pm |

    I’m watching the Packers Seahawks game and I think that Charles Woodson looks absolutely amazing. He looks like he is just wearing socks. It looks very smooth. Just thought i would point it out.

  • Mike Hughes | November 27, 2006 at 11:20 pm |

    Thanks for posting the article, I hope it draws more attention to this issue. I think Wisconsin is doing a diservice by enforcing a trademark on the letter “W”.

    Gret point joe about Wisconsin should heavily recruit the schools who have a similar “W”.

  • jeff | November 27, 2006 at 11:21 pm |

    I don’t have any pictures, but during the Texas-Texas A&M game, on tv you could see that there were quite a few A&M players who’s “aTm” helmet decal was peeling off.

    Those decals are very crappy. I received a set of decals directly from A+M a few years ago and they peel up on the edges. I don’t know how the majority stay on the helmets during games!

  • Minna H | November 27, 2006 at 11:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”25006″]

    Does anyone still use a mouse pad?[/quote]

    Raises hand defiantly. I use a mouse pad. A black one, gel-filled, with a black mouse. I am old-school. Then again, I don’t have a cell phone or a scanner or a digital camera. Call me a Luddite.

  • Minna H | November 27, 2006 at 11:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”25050″]By the way, two former members of the SEC are the Pinckney Pirates and another Minna-friendly team: the Milan Big Reds.

    Actually, if I remember correctly, the Pirates were also prone to fits of black.[/quote]

    You are too good to me, Burrill. I like the two black-clad teams you mentioned, but I have a problem with the name of the Tecumseh school. Still, I like the unis. I also like the term ‘Minna-friendly’. Keep ’em coming.

  • Allison | November 27, 2006 at 11:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”25040″]I know we have discussed this before but looks some Tiger world champ shirts got released in Detroit this year.

    Tiger Fan

    By the was Ben, Paul spells his name “Lukas”[/quote]

    I know of one store in Iowa that ordered both Cardinals and Tigers Champions gear before the series was over…and the new manager (as in he graduated from college in August and this is his first real job) FORGOT to cancel the order on the Tigers gear. T-shirts? $4. Hats? $5. Miscellaneous souvenirs? $1 to $3. Being a Cardinals fan, I had to laugh…

    I remember hearing once that the manufacturers send the gear of the losing team (that says they won) overseas, mostly to 3rd world countries.

  • Allison | November 27, 2006 at 11:47 pm |

    Much like how MLB.com has THIS shirt for sale for atleast 24 hours after the Cards beat the Mets.

  • Allison | November 27, 2006 at 11:51 pm |

    and I managed to find the article I mentioned the first time around…interesting stuff

    After reading it, makes me wonder just what company this store went through (obviously not a top one) if the primary manufacturers only produce for the winners…

  • godeep mizzou | November 28, 2006 at 12:43 am |

    Just for the record, on the Native American team mascots, it’s generally not Native Americans who are offended by their use. It’s more typically white policy makers and PC watchdogs who take it upon themselves to decide for the rest of the world what is to be deemed offensive and incorrect.

  • Original Jim | November 28, 2006 at 12:47 am |

    [quote comment=”24929″]I totally intended to mention Randle — really! But I couldn’t find a good photo of him. And one reason for that was, I’m embarrassed to say, is that I mistakenly searched for pics of “John Randall.” How lame is that?! ARGGHHH!

    I’ll mention Randle (and your great Courtney Love comparison) in a follow-up in my next column.[/quote]

    Thanks for the props, Paul. I also was unlucky in my search for a good picture of Randle in all his Bravehart-ish war paint. I did find a picture of some white guy in a bowling shirt, however.

    As far as Chris Hovan goes, well, he has other uni-related issues to work on first.

  • Minna H | November 28, 2006 at 12:57 am |

    [quote comment=”25076″]Just for the record, on the Native American team mascots, it’s generally not Native Americans who are offended by their use. It’s more typically white policy makers and PC watchdogs who take it upon themselves to decide for the rest of the world what is to be deemed offensive and incorrect.[/quote]

    Just for the record, that’s not true, and I’m not white. You don’t see a team called the crackers or the honkies, do you? You don’t see people doing mock-masses at a ball-game as that would be deemed sacreligious. It’s more that the indigenous people have bigger problems and nobody in power gives a damn what the indigenous people think, anyway. It’s not PC to be respectful; it’s people who don’t want to bother to change the way they think that hurl the PC label.

    Read this or this or this or this or this before speaking for all of indigenous people.

  • Minna H | November 28, 2006 at 12:58 am |

    The last post was for godeep mizzou. Obviously, I screwed up my post.

  • Paul Lukas | November 28, 2006 at 1:02 am |

    [quote comment=”25079″]You don’t see a team called the crackers or the honkies, do you?[/quote]

    Um, actually

  • Minna H | November 28, 2006 at 1:09 am |

    [quote comment=”25081″][quote comment=”25079″]You don’t see a team called the crackers or the honkies, do you?[/quote]

    Um, actually…[/quote]

    Damn it, Paul! You know how to ruin a perfectly good righteous rant, don’t you? That’s what I get for not checking my facts; how ironic. The astounding part is that there were the Atlanta Black Crackers as well. Next time, I have to find a different example.

    Sigh.

    Just because it makes me feel better

  • Allison | November 28, 2006 at 1:09 am |

    Why does this guy have so many teams tattoed? And why the NFL logo?!

    I understand that they could be temporary tattoos…but 1.) Not many men put on THAT many. 2.) He’s got multiple teams

  • Minna H | November 28, 2006 at 1:17 am |

    [quote comment=”25083″]Why does this guy have so many teams tattoed? And why the NFL logo?!

    I understand that they could be temporary tattoos…but 1.) Not many men put on THAT many. 2.) He’s got multiple teams[/quote]

    Wow, Allison. That is a die-hard Vikings’ fan. I was going to say the other logos were the teams the Vikes have played so far, but they haven’t played the Bucs. I also thought the other logos were temporaries, but I can’t be sure. That is not an attractive display, that’s for sure.

  • UMD_Chris | November 28, 2006 at 2:29 am |

    [quote comment=”24975″][quote comment=”24946″][quote comment=”24944″]

    and what about the eye black of another former Viking – Chris Hovan[/quote]

    Richard, he was never a favorite of mine. Here, he just looks plain stupid. I like his top tattoo, though.[/quote]

    This used to be his length – similar to Randle.[/quote]

    No one yet has mentioned how ridiculous and stinkass ugly the neck collar and sleeve striping looks on his Boston College uni. It looks like they just repeated the letters BC over and over again to create a BCBCBCBCBCBCBCBC pattern.

  • your sister's gay boyfriend | November 28, 2006 at 3:02 am |

    [quote comment=”25035″]Favre is wearing a black undershirt in tonight’s game…cannot remember when black was an official Green Bay color. Just an interesting tidbit.[/quote]He was wearing forest green, but it probably looked black because it was wet.

  • Scoops | November 28, 2006 at 5:25 am |

    [quote comment=”24958″]I remember someone mentioning that Florida State gives out “Academics” tomahawks but it was very hard to distinguish them from the other tomahawks.[/quote]
    It looks like Geno Hayes has an academic tomahawk. As was already pointed out, Buster Davis‘ look odd because of the holes in his helmet.

    Academic tomahawks have a feather on the handle and an “A” in the head.

  • bobby d | November 28, 2006 at 6:41 am |

    [quote comment=”25049″]Just wanted to share this rather refreshing spin on the NikeWorld b-ball uni. Not a good look at the shoulder stripe, but we all know what they look like, right? Does it surprise you that this look comes to us from a classy U like Penn State?[/quote]

    I’m sure we’ve all seen worse, like the opponent in the foto. What is up with those goofy stripes on the legs? And another comment about b.ball uniforms, pretty soon they aren’t going to be shorts, we already got a lot past the knees, looks utterly ridiculous, next, prom dresses! = D

    About the UWM’s W what exactly is so great about it that so many HS are copying it? The throwback uni’s they sported earlier this year with the old helmets look sooooooo much better:

  • bobby d | November 28, 2006 at 6:56 am |

    [quote comment=”25079″][quote comment=”25076″]Just for the record, on the Native American team mascots, it’s generally not Native Americans who are offended by their use. It’s more typically white policy makers and PC watchdogs who take it upon themselves to decide for the rest of the world what is to be deemed offensive and incorrect.[/quote]

    Just for the record, that’s not true, and I’m not white. You don’t see a team called the crackers or the honkies, do you? You don’t see people doing mock-masses at a ball-game as that would be deemed sacreligious. It’s more that the indigenous people have bigger problems and nobody in power gives a damn what the indigenous people think, anyway. It’s not PC to be respectful; it’s people who don’t want to bother to change the way they think that hurl the PC label.

    Read this or this or this or this or this before speaking for all of indigenous people.[/quote]

    Thanks for your comment, there is always someone who brings this up, and yeah, one can go and fine someone of Native American ethnicity who sees no issue but I doubt we’d be having this discussion EVER if there was a team called the Blackskins (there would be protests non-stop and rightly so) or the Whiteskins (too un-PC and too many neo-Nazi types and white supremists would cheer for them which means most Americans would be against them).

    It’s not that difficult really to change a team’s nickname, the Browns became the Crows, er Ravens. For specific tribes, e.g. the Seminoles, the Utes, etc. it can be uplifting.

    Besides the Redskins uniform is ugly…they should use a darker red but I gues that would cause more protests. There absolutely is no reason why a high school, I’m talking to you, Tulsa Union, should ever use “Redskins!!! That is so disrespectful…

  • Vince | November 28, 2006 at 8:42 am |

    [quote comment=”25018″][quote comment=”24993″][quote comment=”24964″][quote comment=”24928″][quote comment=”24897″][quote comment=”24881″]You forgot to mention that the Redskins finally went back to wearing the correct White over Burgandy uniforms for yesterday’s game.
    -V[/quote]

    AMEN! It’s about time the Redskins looked like the Redskins. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that they actually played like the Redskins yesterday too! Hopefully the white-on-white Bullsh*t is in the past.[/quote]

    I must disagree. I have hated the red pants from the day that the Redskins abandoned their cool yellow pants . . . how long has it been now, 25 or 30 years ago? The white-on-white was a welcome and long overdue change, so it is my hope that the red pants were a one-week aberration.[/quote]

    I agree wtih Dan. As a Redskins fan I must say that I welcome the change to the white pants. I think it looks much more sleek and classy. The Skins have managed to update their look without getting all crazy with new logos and all. However, I do not endorse completely burning the burgundy pants, but maybe break them out once/year for Dallas or something.[/quote]

    According to the Post, the players approached Gibbs asking to make the change. Ironically, the move to the all-white began with the Rams game last year, and started the winning streak at the end of last season.

    I’d love to see gold pants, as well as the gold “R” helmet that Lombardi brought to the club when he coached there (wanted them to look like the Packers – nothin’ wrong with that).[/quote]

    Serious??

    I wouldn’t mind seeing the gold pants return but the gold helmet – no thanks.

    I think there is something wrong trying to look like another team! That’s what the original Bengals and Paul Brown did to copy the Browns.
    How about being original.

    Why would a Redskins fan want to honor Lombardi that much?

    I do think that after Gibbs retires – they will get a new logo to appease the Native American tribes who oppose the name Redskins.[/quote]

    I crtainly hope not!

    Besides… The ‘Skins dont do anything like the chant (Atlanta Braves) or the tomahak chop (FL Seminoles) or anyhing else that I think is more offensive thn just a name. Also, they are the one of the most profitable sports franchises on the planet, and let’s face it… everything comes down to the alighty dollar anyways. So I doubt that the ‘Skins will ever have to change there name. Dan (the worst thing to ever hapen to the Redskins) Snyder will just throw a lot of money at the problem and it will go away.

    Back on topic…. I like the Burgandy over Gold that they wore for the 2003 70th anniversary season. White over Gold just looks ugly. But nothing will ever top the quinessential White over BUrundy Redskins.

    -V

  • Matt B | November 28, 2006 at 8:44 am |

    About the UWM’s W what exactly is so great about it that so many HS are copying it? The throwback uni’s they sported earlier this year with the old helmets look sooooooo much better:

    UWM doesn’t have a football team.

  • Vince | November 28, 2006 at 8:47 am |

    [quote comment=”25101″][quote comment=”25018″][quote comment=”24993″][quote comment=”24964″][quote comment=”24928″][quote comment=”24897″][quote comment=”24881″]You forgot to mention that the Redskins finally went back to wearing the correct White over Burgandy uniforms for yesterday’s game.
    -V[/quote]

    AMEN! It’s about time the Redskins looked like the Redskins. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that they actually played like the Redskins yesterday too! Hopefully the white-on-white Bullsh*t is in the past.[/quote]

    I must disagree. I have hated the red pants from the day that the Redskins abandoned their cool yellow pants . . . how long has it been now, 25 or 30 years ago? The white-on-white was a welcome and long overdue change, so it is my hope that the red pants were a one-week aberration.[/quote]

    I agree wtih Dan. As a Redskins fan I must say that I welcome the change to the white pants. I think it looks much more sleek and classy. The Skins have managed to update their look without getting all crazy with new logos and all. However, I do not endorse completely burning the burgundy pants, but maybe break them out once/year for Dallas or something.[/quote]

    According to the Post, the players approached Gibbs asking to make the change. Ironically, the move to the all-white began with the Rams game last year, and started the winning streak at the end of last season.

    I’d love to see gold pants, as well as the gold “R” helmet that Lombardi brought to the club when he coached there (wanted them to look like the Packers – nothin’ wrong with that).[/quote]

    Serious??

    I wouldn’t mind seeing the gold pants return but the gold helmet – no thanks.

    I think there is something wrong trying to look like another team! That’s what the original Bengals and Paul Brown did to copy the Browns.
    How about being original.

    Why would a Redskins fan want to honor Lombardi that much?

    I do think that after Gibbs retires – they will get a new logo to appease the Native American tribes who oppose the name Redskins.[/quote]

    I crtainly hope not!

    Besides… The ‘Skins dont do anything like the chant (Atlanta Braves) or the tomahak chop (FL Seminoles) or anyhing else that I think is more offensive thn just a name. Also, they are the one of the most profitable sports franchises on the planet, and let’s face it… everything comes down to the alighty dollar anyways. So I doubt that the ‘Skins will ever have to change there name. Dan (the worst thing to ever hapen to the Redskins) Snyder will just throw a lot of money at the problem and it will go away.

    Back on topic…. I like the Burgandy over Gold that they wore for the 2003 70th anniversary season. White over Gold just looks ugly. But nothing will ever top the quinessential White over BUrundy Redskins.

    -V[/quote]

    another thing…. do any of you know why George Preston Marshall changed the name from Braves to Redskins? Take a lesson

  • Kerry | November 28, 2006 at 10:21 am |

    [quote comment=”25058″]Check out the Loyola Collge Prep Flyers helmets here from Shreveport, LA.

    They actually got written permission in the 60’s or 70’s from Charles Schultz to use the logo. Still have the letter framed at the school.[/quote]
    I’ve always loved Loyola’s helmets!

  • Taylor | November 28, 2006 at 2:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”25101″][quote comment=”25018″][quote comment=”24993″][quote comment=”24964″][quote comment=”24928″][quote comment=”24897″][quote comment=”24881″]You forgot to mention that the Redskins finally went back to wearing the correct White over Burgandy uniforms for yesterday’s game.
    -V[/quote]

    AMEN! It’s about time the Redskins looked like the Redskins. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that they actually played like the Redskins yesterday too! Hopefully the white-on-white Bullsh*t is in the past.[/quote]

    I must disagree. I have hated the red pants from the day that the Redskins abandoned their cool yellow pants . . . how long has it been now, 25 or 30 years ago? The white-on-white was a welcome and long overdue change, so it is my hope that the red pants were a one-week aberration.[/quote]

    I agree wtih Dan. As a Redskins fan I must say that I welcome the change to the white pants. I think it looks much more sleek and classy. The Skins have managed to update their look without getting all crazy with new logos and all. However, I do not endorse completely burning the burgundy pants, but maybe break them out once/year for Dallas or something.[/quote]

    According to the Post, the players approached Gibbs asking to make the change. Ironically, the move to the all-white began with the Rams game last year, and started the winning streak at the end of last season.

    I’d love to see gold pants, as well as the gold “R” helmet that Lombardi brought to the club when he coached there (wanted them to look like the Packers – nothin’ wrong with that).[/quote]

    Serious??

    I wouldn’t mind seeing the gold pants return but the gold helmet – no thanks.

    I think there is something wrong trying to look like another team! That’s what the original Bengals and Paul Brown did to copy the Browns.
    How about being original.

    Why would a Redskins fan want to honor Lombardi that much?

    I do think that after Gibbs retires – they will get a new logo to appease the Native American tribes who oppose the name Redskins.[/quote]

    I crtainly hope not!

    Besides… The ‘Skins dont do anything like the chant (Atlanta Braves) or the tomahak chop (FL Seminoles) or anyhing else that I think is more offensive thn just a name. Also, they are the one of the most profitable sports franchises on the planet, and let’s face it… everything comes down to the alighty dollar anyways. So I doubt that the ‘Skins will ever have to change there name. Dan (the worst thing to ever hapen to the Redskins) Snyder will just throw a lot of money at the problem and it will go away.

    Back on topic…. I like the Burgandy over Gold that they wore for the 2003 70th anniversary season. White over Gold just looks ugly. But nothing will ever top the quinessential White over BUrundy Redskins.

    -V[/quote]

    I think Dan Snyder has done well. I mean, at least he is willing to spend the money, even if it doesn’t end up working out (Deion, Jeff George, etc.) Unlike Bill Bidwell in Arizona…

  • ACC (the Brain) | November 28, 2006 at 3:12 pm |

    Besides… The ‘Skins dont do anything like the chant (Atlanta Braves) or the tomahak chop (FL Seminoles) or anyhing else that I think is more offensive thn just a name. Also, they are the one of the most profitable sports franchises on the planet, and let’s face it… everything comes down to the alighty dollar anyways. So I doubt that the ‘Skins will ever have to change there name. Dan (the worst thing to ever hapen to the Redskins) Snyder will just throw a lot of money at the problem and it will go away.

    Back on topic…. I like the Burgandy over Gold that they wore for the 2003 70th anniversary season. White over Gold just looks ugly. But nothing will ever top the quinessential White over BUrundy Redskins.

    -V[/quote]

    For the record I would only be an advocate for a logo change – keep the name and colors. The logo is a bit offensive when combined with the name and an update would be a step towards PC without going too far (ie Washington Bullets become Wizards)It’s not like a logo retirement is the end of the world.

    And I’d wait for Gibbs to go – for history’s sake.

  • Ben | November 28, 2006 at 3:40 pm |

    Re: Ben Wallace.

    He’s a punk with no class or manners, plain and simple.

    His latest comments about the whole headband thing prove that.

    Wallace said, “If you know the rules and break them, you expect to be punished. I can’t try to put myself above the team or anybody else and wear a headband like I did. I’m amn enough to take the punishment. But I’m not sorry.”

    When asked why he did it Wallace said, “I just felt like wearing it.

    How in the world is that not putting yourself above your team and anyone else?

    If Skiles has any balls he’ll bench Wallace until he learns his lesson and apologizes to the team and Skiles.

  • NFLStyGuy | November 28, 2006 at 7:53 pm |

    The Washington Redskins tried to activate a change last season and then started on a winning streak (here comes the white pants and jerseys) and so Dan gets all superstitious and decides to hold off. The change was sweet. Think black.

    Next year is their 75th Anniversary so you’ll be seeing something to celebrate that big event.

    Footnote: The NFL only allows a team to wear an anniversary uniform 3 times in a season, twice in the regular season and once in the pre-season, so it will only be a tease but all and all a good conversation topic for sports branding and uni blogs everywhere.

  • Vince | November 29, 2006 at 12:55 am |

    [quote comment=”25288″]The Washington Redskins tried to activate a change last season and then started on a winning streak (here comes the white pants and jerseys) and so Dan gets all superstitious and decides to hold off. The change was sweet. Think black.

    Next year is their 75th Anniversary so you’ll be seeing something to celebrate that big event.

    Footnote: The NFL only allows a team to wear an anniversary uniform 3 times in a season, twice in the regular season and once in the pre-season, so it will only be a tease but all and all a good conversation topic for sports branding and uni blogs everywhere.[/quote]

    How is the logo offensive? It does not show an offensive pose or gesture… it looks no worse than a coin… Only without the teenage single mother thing.

    I hope and pray every day that the ‘Skins don’t go black. That would be a huge mistake, and about 8 years behind the black is cool wave that many teams in most sports, unfortunatly, rode. See Here , Here, and here for a few examples. Black Redskins uniforms would only further lock Dan in first place for the worst thing to ever happen to the Burgandy and Gold.

    Footnote reply: If a team declares there “anniversary uniform” as there regular game unis, they can wear said uniform for the whole season. That is how they wore the retro styled ones in 8 regular season games in the 70’th season (7 home & 1 in Dallas; they wore White over Burgundy at home against Dallas because the cowboys are cursed in blue).

    -V

  • bobby d | November 29, 2006 at 9:32 am |

    [quote comment=”25102″]About the UWM’s W what exactly is so great about it that so many HS are copying it? The throwback uni’s they sported earlier this year with the old helmets look sooooooo much better:

    UWM doesn’t have a football team.[/quote]I could’ve swore the main campus is in Madison….I stand corrected.

  • bobby d | November 29, 2006 at 9:36 am |

    [quote comment=”25103″][quote comment=”25101″][quote comment=”25018″][quote comment=”24993″][quote comment=”24964″][quote comment=”24928″][quote comment=”24897″][quote comment=”24881″]You forgot to mention that the Redskins finally went back to wearing the correct White over Burgandy uniforms for yesterday’s game.
    -V[/quote]

    AMEN! It’s about time the Redskins looked like the Redskins. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that they actually played like the Redskins yesterday too! Hopefully the white-on-white Bullsh*t is in the past.[/quote]

    I must disagree. I have hated the red pants from the day that the Redskins abandoned their cool yellow pants . . . how long has it been now, 25 or 30 years ago? The white-on-white was a welcome and long overdue change, so it is my hope that the red pants were a one-week aberration.[/quote]

    I agree wtih Dan. As a Redskins fan I must say that I welcome the change to the white pants. I think it looks much more sleek and classy. The Skins have managed to update their look without getting all crazy with new logos and all. However, I do not endorse completely burning the burgundy pants, but maybe break them out once/year for Dallas or something.[/quote]

    According to the Post, the players approached Gibbs asking to make the change. Ironically, the move to the all-white began with the Rams game last year, and started the winning streak at the end of last season.

    I’d love to see gold pants, as well as the gold “R” helmet that Lombardi brought to the club when he coached there (wanted them to look like the Packers – nothin’ wrong with that).[/quote]

    Serious??

    I wouldn’t mind seeing the gold pants return but the gold helmet – no thanks.

    I think there is something wrong trying to look like another team! That’s what the original Bengals and Paul Brown did to copy the Browns.
    How about being original.

    Why would a Redskins fan want to honor Lombardi that much?

    I do think that after Gibbs retires – they will get a new logo to appease the Native American tribes who oppose the name Redskins.[/quote]

    I crtainly hope not!

    Besides… The ‘Skins dont do anything like the chant (Atlanta Braves) or the tomahak chop (FL Seminoles) or anyhing else that I think is more offensive thn just a name. Also, they are the one of the most profitable sports franchises on the planet, and let’s face it… everything comes down to the alighty dollar anyways. So I doubt that the ‘Skins will ever have to change there name. Dan (the worst thing to ever hapen to the Redskins) Snyder will just throw a lot of money at the problem and it will go away.

    Back on topic…. I like the Burgandy over Gold that they wore for the 2003 70th anniversary season. White over Gold just looks ugly. But nothing will ever top the quinessential White over BUrundy Redskins.

    -V[/quote]

    another thing…. do any of you know why George Preston Marshall changed the name from Braves to Redskins? Take a lesson[/quote]

    Vince,
    Right back at cha! ; D


    William Henry “Lone Star” Dietz (1884-1964) was the head coach of the Boston Redskins (now Washington Redskins) of the National Football League. George Preston Marshall, owner and founder of the franchise, sought to rename the Boston Braves after leaving the stadium they shared with the baseball team of the same name. He chose the name Boston Redskins in honor of Dietz, who falsely claimed to be part “Sioux”. In fact Dietz was entirely of European ancestry, as was proven by an Indian Country Today article.

  • Vince | November 29, 2006 at 11:24 am |

    [quote comment=”25352″][quote comment=”25103″][quote comment=”25101″][quote comment=”25018″][quote comment=”24993″][quote comment=”24964″][quote comment=”24928″][quote comment=”24897″][quote comment=”24881″]You forgot to mention that the Redskins finally went back to wearing the correct White over Burgandy uniforms for yesterday’s game.
    -V[/quote]

    AMEN! It’s about time the Redskins looked like the Redskins. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that they actually played like the Redskins yesterday too! Hopefully the white-on-white Bullsh*t is in the past.[/quote]

    I must disagree. I have hated the red pants from the day that the Redskins abandoned their cool yellow pants . . . how long has it been now, 25 or 30 years ago? The white-on-white was a welcome and long overdue change, so it is my hope that the red pants were a one-week aberration.[/quote]

    I agree wtih Dan. As a Redskins fan I must say that I welcome the change to the white pants. I think it looks much more sleek and classy. The Skins have managed to update their look without getting all crazy with new logos and all. However, I do not endorse completely burning the burgundy pants, but maybe break them out once/year for Dallas or something.[/quote]

    According to the Post, the players approached Gibbs asking to make the change. Ironically, the move to the all-white began with the Rams game last year, and started the winning streak at the end of last season.

    I’d love to see gold pants, as well as the gold “R” helmet that Lombardi brought to the club when he coached there (wanted them to look like the Packers – nothin’ wrong with that).[/quote]

    Serious??

    I wouldn’t mind seeing the gold pants return but the gold helmet – no thanks.

    I think there is something wrong trying to look like another team! That’s what the original Bengals and Paul Brown did to copy the Browns.
    How about being original.

    Why would a Redskins fan want to honor Lombardi that much?

    I do think that after Gibbs retires – they will get a new logo to appease the Native American tribes who oppose the name Redskins.[/quote]

    I crtainly hope not!

    Besides… The ‘Skins dont do anything like the chant (Atlanta Braves) or the tomahak chop (FL Seminoles) or anyhing else that I think is more offensive thn just a name. Also, they are the one of the most profitable sports franchises on the planet, and let’s face it… everything comes down to the alighty dollar anyways. So I doubt that the ‘Skins will ever have to change there name. Dan (the worst thing to ever hapen to the Redskins) Snyder will just throw a lot of money at the problem and it will go away.

    Back on topic…. I like the Burgandy over Gold that they wore for the 2003 70th anniversary season. White over Gold just looks ugly. But nothing will ever top the quinessential White over BUrundy Redskins.

    -V[/quote]

    another thing…. do any of you know why George Preston Marshall changed the name from Braves to Redskins? Take a lesson[/quote]

    Vince,
    Right back at cha! ; D


    William Henry “Lone Star” Dietz (1884-1964) was the head coach of the Boston Redskins (now Washington Redskins) of the National Football League. George Preston Marshall, owner and founder of the franchise, sought to rename the Boston Braves after leaving the stadium they shared with the baseball team of the same name. He chose the name Boston Redskins in honor of Dietz, who falsely claimed to be part “Sioux”. In fact Dietz was entirely of European ancestry, as was proven by an Indian Country Today article.
    [/quote]

    Well, that is news to me. Ever story that I have ever heard is exactly like the link I had posted. But regardless of what we now know about Lone Star Dietz, George Preston Marshall changed the team’s name to honor Lone Star & the Sioux based on what he knew about him in the 1930’s.