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New Jersey, Old Helmets

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Road-tripping was on the agenda last weekend, as Uni Watch hedge fund analyst Jenny Strasburg and I spent Friday, Saturday, and Sunday tooling around the Jersey Shore. We hit the blackjack tables in Atlantic City, paid a visit to Lucy the Elephant (more details here), enjoyed a Garden State delicacy (more details here), and had fun checking out all the old-school motels in Wildwood (see more of them here). On the way back to NYC, we stopped in to see webmaster John Ekdahl — only the second time he and I had ever been in the same room, incredibly enough.

These stops were all good, but the high point of the trip was a surreal junk shop we visited in Tuckahoe, called Young’s Four Y’s Antiques. The place featured a pretty amazing accumulation of stuff, much of it dusty and cobwebbed, and most of it piled high in mini-mountains. Serpentine little paths snaked through the piles, making for tricky navigation, and it was hard to pick anything up without knocking over something else. The owner — a very sweet old man named Marvin Young, who I really liked (and who seemed to like me until I mistakenly referred to the very large ducks in his back yard as geese) — said he’d been accumulating and collecting all his life and that “it just piled up.” Think Collyer Brothers, but with better social skills.

Predictably enough, the one thing I bought at Marvin’s shop was uni-related: this book, which I purchased mainly for the photos. Among the highlights:

• Lots of early teams wore those old lace-up vest jerseys.

• Can you guess what year this photo is from? Incredibly enough, it’s the 1964 Princeton team. I’m pretty astonished that a team was still wearing those sleeve stripes at such a relatively late date.

• We’ve all seen leather helmets, but I’d never seen any like this or this.

• Here’s something you don’t see very often: an old fashioned helmetless facemask.

• You all know how much I hate the current trend of contrast-colored side panels. But I might make an exception for these.

• Love the stripes, but what’s with the girdle? (Also: Note the wedding band.)

This photo didn’t have a caption, so I’m not sure which team this was. Odd helmet design, though. Anyone recognize the school in question?

The book wasn’t priced, so I asked Marvin how much he wanted for it. He said $15, which was outrageous, so I countered with $10 (also outrageous, but I didn’t want to risk offending him by offering less), which he grudgingly accepted. When I got home, I found that used copies are selling on Amazon for a bit less than what I paid, but it was worth it for the experience of encountering Marvin and his incredible shop.

(Mega-thanks to David Brown for the tip about about Young’s Four Y’s, and to his lovely consort, Lori Baker, who took the Young’s photos when she and David discovered the place a few months back.)

Research Request: Did anyone TiVo Sunday’s Saints/Steelers game? Apparently Saints DE Charles Grant wore a collared dress shirt under his pads, much to the amusement of the broadcast crew. I’ve looked high and low for a photo, but no dice. Little help..?

Uni Watch News Ticker: Congrats to longtime Uni Watch favorite Witesock, who was featured in a big article in last Saturday’s National Post (although the definitive Witesock article is, of course, this one). … In case you missed it in Sunday’s Comments section, reader Andy F came up with a genius observation regarding the “ny” logo on the Giants’ nose bumper. It used to be just printed on, but now it’s raised and rubberized, at least for some players. … More news from the Giants/Bears game: R.W. McQuarters was apparently wearing a SpongeBob Band-Aid, eye-black-style. … Campus report from Bruno Lesage: “Here’s another way Nike is taking over college: I go to the University of Texas, and almost every single sorority girl here wears these shorts. There are various color schemes and all that, but it’s all the same basic design. It kind of surprises me that nobody even considers wearing another brand. I don’t think that many non-sorority girls wear them, so I guess its a sign of the ‘elite’ girls on campus.” … Football historian Mark Bolding, whose excellent web site was spotlighted here two weeks ago, has added a new section to his site, focusing on starting QBs at various points in NFL history. Among the visual highlights: a good look at the Packers’ 1950 jersey; the Rams in canary yellow; the Saints wearing heavily white-outlined uni numbers (and dig all those stripes!); the Eagles’ double sleeve stripes; Joe Namath wearing a knee pad outside his pants; and the Broncos in red pants. The full section is available here. … Well, this sure didn’t take long (you can order your own here). … The single-A Lakeland Tigers have renamed themselves the Flying Tigers — a World War II military reference. According to this article, “manager Kevin Bradshaw will wear a special cap designating his status as ‘commander,’ while the club’s pitchers will have a star added to their cap for each win they accumulate.” Let’s all avoid the rush and start hating this idea right now, shall we? … Good catch by Jesse Spector, who notes that one of the Boston College players in this photo is wearing an American flag patch, while the other two players aren’t.

 

161 comments to New Jersey, Old Helmets

  • Joshua Smith | November 14, 2006 at 8:05 am |

    • This photo didn’t have a caption, so I’m not sure which team this was. Odd helmet design, though. Anyone recognize the school in question?

    I think it may be Duke University in the late 50’s early 60’s according to the Helmet Project
    http://www.nationalc...

  • El Chupacabra | November 14, 2006 at 8:18 am |

    Looks more like Harvard, 1961-63. Probably against Yale, as a matter of fact…

    Given the other Ivy League memorabilia, that would be my guess.

  • Tom | November 14, 2006 at 8:27 am |

    I like what Lakeland is doing. Those stars are just like pride stickers in college football anyways, so I have no problem with it. Also, the whole game day atmosphere (complete with big band music) sounds pretty damn fun to me.

    The jersey patch, very cool

    Jersey layout

  • Erik Schwab | November 14, 2006 at 8:27 am |

    “The single-A Lakeland Tigers have renamed themselves the Flying Tigers — a World War II military reference.”

    Also mentioned in the article is a change from road grays to military tan. Your thoughts?

  • David | November 14, 2006 at 8:28 am |

    The Helmet Project has 4 teams wearing that style of helmet (Ohio State, Harvard, Fresno State, and Duke). If I had to guess which one it is, I would say Harvard. The team they are playing looks like it might be Yale so that would make sense.

  • Mark in Shiga | November 14, 2006 at 8:30 am |

    The Asian Series came to a close this weekend, with the Hokkaido Nippon Ham Fighters taking the title as expected, and there some nice uniforms on display.

    The site is down for the moment, but I can find some shots from last year when Chiba was in it, so here goes:

    The Chiba Lotte Marines, Japan’s representative, wore their garish alternate uniforms. (Jersey number buffs: look closely in the photo and you can spot #109 in the middle of the picture! Plus, they’re carrying a #26 jersey to represent the fans, the ’26th man’)

    The Chinese all-star team had some Kansas City Monarchs-style red sleeves; I liked the clean look of their three-layer number and no player name.

    Taiwan’s La New Bears have the players’ full names on the backs in Chinese (as opposed to Japan, which uses English). Can’t find any shots of the players’ backs, but because of the increased complexity of Chinese characters, the names are a few inches taller than you’d expect, and the numbers are smaller. It’s a little disturbing since the names can’t be read on a non-high-definition TV anyway.

    Also, the scoreboard at the Tokyo Dome displayed all player names in the Roman alphabet, with the letters having varying widths. It looked very bizarre, but I suspect that some of the characters in the Taiwanese players’ names weren’t available, or maybe the scoreboard operator just couldn’t handle three or four different scripts, so they just romanized everything.

  • Mark in Shiga | November 14, 2006 at 8:32 am |

    Oops, messed up the link on the letters having varying widths part.

  • Patrick | November 14, 2006 at 8:35 am |

    The wide stripe on that odd helmet design, according to the Helmet Project, is actually a pad that sat on top of the shell. Apparently, it’s not meant to protect the wearer as much as it is the opposing players. According to one story (which I might have seen on the Helmet Project, but I can’t remember), they had these at Ohio State until Woody Hayes had them removed- his logic being “why should we worry about protecting our opponents?”

  • Tyler | November 14, 2006 at 9:02 am |

    The Burlington Bees have unveiled their new logo that has a “confident looking insect” according to the article.

  • Burrill | November 14, 2006 at 9:09 am |

    [quote comment=”22468″]”The single-A Lakeland Tigers have renamed themselves the Flying Tigers — a World War II military reference.”

    Also mentioned in the article is a change from road grays to military tan. Your thoughts?[/quote]

    According to the picture of the uniforms, the away uniform color is “Padres Khaki.” Interesting.

    Oh, and I like the whole idea. We criticize major league clubs for doing things we consider “minor league”, but in my mind this is a minor league team doing something unique and fun, as I think a minor league team should do.

  • Marc Nelson Jr. | November 14, 2006 at 9:13 am |

    Are those Princeton side panels meant to disguise the ball carrier by making it look like everyone has a ball tucked under their arms? They might have been useful in one of those old-timey offenses with all the fake handoffs and reverses.

  • LunchBox | November 14, 2006 at 9:19 am |

    I dont know whether it’s my immaturity or because I’m a Rockies fan, but I love the D-Bags shirt.

  • Pat | November 14, 2006 at 9:34 am |

    BC player with the American flag patch is John Oates. The two players without the flag patch are Jared Dudley (left) and Shamari Spears (right). Maybe if their uniforms had been more uniform they would have been compelled to actually show up against Vermont last night. Embarrassing.

    I was at the Celtics game last night and, going along with the discussion about NBA teams changing their logos to match the new ball, I noticed that the Celtics had changed their basketball integrated screen wipe on the jumbotron to match the new ball.

  • DrBear | November 14, 2006 at 9:35 am |

    From what I’ve read, the decorations on the Lakeland manager’s cap may look like the scrambled eggs on the old Seattle Pilots caps – one of the best ever IMHO.
    Tommy Davis in proud powder blue.

  • Paul Lukas | November 14, 2006 at 9:35 am |

    [quote comment=”22474″]I like the whole [Lakjeland] idea. We criticize major league clubs for doing things we consider “minor league”, but in my mind this is a minor league team doing something unique and fun, as I think a minor league team should do.[/quote]

    Y’know, you’re right. I had a insta-negative reaction, but your reaction is better, smarter.

    Speaking of minor league: Can’t help but notice that the team’s uni template refers two times to “ragland” sleeves — an endearing typo of “raglan.”

  • Vern | November 14, 2006 at 9:38 am |

    I thought Charles Grant was wearing a mock turtleneck that he cut down the middle. The two sides folded down like a bowtie dress shirt. The announcers sounded like idiots talking about it though…

  • Kim | November 14, 2006 at 9:47 am |

    Paul,

    You should be pleased with the Washington Post today.

    The Nationals have hired Acta away from the Mets to be the new manager, and have been running this picture.

  • now_a_hoo | November 14, 2006 at 9:47 am |

    W/r/t those nike shorts: every girl at UVa wears them. I’ve tried to point this out to my friends and they look at me like I’m crazy.

  • Adam in Chicago | November 14, 2006 at 9:51 am |

    [quote comment=”22473″]The Burlington Bees have unveiled their new logo that has a “confident looking insect” according to the article.[/quote]

    I used to live near Burlington and attended several Bees games, and I have to say I’m disappointed. I loved this logo.

  • Josh | November 14, 2006 at 9:55 am |

    “Apparently Saints DE Charles Grant wore a collared dress shirt under his pads, much to the amusement of the broadcast crew.”

    I’m fairly certain this was a mock turtleneck with a small cut in the center of the neck area (probably because Grant has a neck so massive no mock turtleneck could it) so that the two small cut portions folded over to look like a collar. I’ll see if Short Cuts caught it tonite.

  • Pat | November 14, 2006 at 10:07 am |

    [quote comment=”22483″][quote comment=”22473″]The Burlington Bees have unveiled their new logo that has a “confident looking insect” according to the article.[/quote]

    I used to live near Burlington and attended several Bees games, and I have to say I’m disappointed. I loved this logo.[/quote]

    That old logo is brilliant. The new one is very nice but I don’t see why they would ever change from the old one. You don’t see too many logos with life like that one had. This new one looks too much like every other new logo that comes out.

  • Ryan B. | November 14, 2006 at 10:08 am |

    Football historian Mark Bolding…has added a new section to his site…Among the visual highlights: …the Saints wearing gold uni numbers…

    Maybe I’m oblivious, but is that supposed to be something unusual or unique? The Saints wear gold uniform numbers now.

    Am I missing something, Paul?

  • DJL | November 14, 2006 at 10:12 am |

    For whatever reason, LeBron has worn the opposite color of his teammates at least twice during games this season. For example, against the Knicks at MSG last night, LBJ wore white shoes while the rest of the team wore black shoes. He wore black shoes in the home opener.

    Against the Bulls at home, LBJ actually wore red sneaks.

    Also, if you visited the Cavs Web site, I hoped you noticed the open hole mesh background.

  • dgc | November 14, 2006 at 10:13 am |

    [quote comment=”22481″]Paul,

    You should be pleased with the Washington Post today.

    The Nationals have hired Acta away from the Mets to be the new manager, and have been running this picture.[/quote]

    Well, he might not, because they also ran an article on the greatness that is purple.
    The Great Purple of Virginia: A Color Classic

  • Jonathon | November 14, 2006 at 10:13 am |

    anyone else notice that the new lakeland flying tigers hat has the new era logo on the side, but in the same color as the hat, which makes it nearly invisible. that’s rarely seen in minor league ball – nice touch to try and minimize the logo creep.

    http://www.flickr.co...

    the new era logo is usually made to stand out:

    http://www.what-if.c...

  • Paul Lukas | November 14, 2006 at 10:14 am |

    [quote comment=”22486″]Football historian Mark Bolding…has added a new section to his site…Among the visual highlights: …the Saints wearing gold uni numbers…

    Maybe I’m oblivious, but is that supposed to be something unusual or unique? The Saints wear gold uniform numbers now. Am I missing something, Paul?[/quote]

    Sorry. Meant to write (and have now adjusted the text to read) “heavily white-outlined gold numbers.” I was getting excited because I know the Saints from that era wore gold numbers on their white jerseys, which is a look I love.

  • Kim | November 14, 2006 at 10:17 am |

    [quote comment=”22482″]W/r/t those nike shorts: every girl at UVa wears them. I’ve tried to point this out to my friends and they look at me like I’m crazy.[/quote]

    Wow, there’s a surprise. Conformity at Mr. Jefferson’s school. Paul could do a whole column about how folks there dress up for football games.

  • James | November 14, 2006 at 10:19 am |

    Did anyone see that Deangelo Williams had a Memphis decal on his mouthpiece last night?

    Any pics?

  • Kelli | November 14, 2006 at 10:24 am |

    I like the Flying Tigers uniforms. I especially like the numbers which are of WWII vintage aircraft type. The cap emblem is total crap though. It looks terrible and doesn’t fit in with the rest of the uniform. Something more along the lines of this would have been a lot better. It would be cool to have a blood chit on the warm up jackets too.

  • Greg Nilsen | November 14, 2006 at 10:30 am |

    Did anyone else notice in this photo that one lineman is wearing different pants stripes. The lineman in the middle has black-white-black pants stripes, while all the other players seem to be wearing the white-black-white stripes.

    Maybe he’s wearing old pants, or wearing the road pants with the home jerseys…

  • Mac | November 14, 2006 at 10:39 am |

    Nike shorts epidemic has taken over Texas A&M College Station.

  • Joe Hilseberg | November 14, 2006 at 10:41 am |

    Buy up those D•Bags shirts…I know the guy who runs that site and he’s a good guy!

  • Mike | November 14, 2006 at 10:45 am |

    That’s definitely Harvard. Late.

  • Fred | November 14, 2006 at 10:46 am |

    This photo didn’t have a caption, so I’m not sure which team this was. Odd helmet design, though. Anyone recognize the school in question?

    Those thick stripes are in fact paddding. Cool.

    Willie Lanier of the Hank Stram Kansas City Chiefs used to wear a thick pad across the top of his helmet. It used to have cracked paint after Willie would put a lickin’ on opponents.

    http://www.christopd...

  • MetsFan AZ | November 14, 2006 at 10:52 am |

    [quote comment=”22487″]For whatever reason, LeBron has worn the opposite color of his teammates at least twice during games this season. For example, against the Knicks at MSG last night, LBJ wore white shoes while the rest of the team wore black shoes. He wore black shoes in the home opener.

    Against the Bulls at home, LBJ actually wore red sneaks.

    Also, if you visited the Cavs Web site, I hoped you noticed the open hole mesh background.[/quote]
    One thing that really bugs me sartorially is black sneakers with white unis. It just looks clunky. White sneakers with colored unis are not as bad. I think the best look for black sneakers is with black socks and dark colored unis.

  • Steve from Austin | November 14, 2006 at 10:53 am |

    Ok, look at the guy on the right that has the vest with the “H”. His left hand is on his buddy’s knee, BUT:

    Is his right hand resting gently on his teammate’s “special place”?

  • Ray | November 14, 2006 at 10:53 am |

    The talk of football helmets is interesting. I was wondering if anyone saw what happened this weekend to Michigan State quarterback Drew Stanton’s helmet after being hit.
    Helmet

    Not exactly a ringing endorsement for Schutt. Has anyone else seen the crown of a helmet just collapse like this before??

  • Fred | November 14, 2006 at 10:54 am |

    Image #19 for the Willie Lanier padded helmet photo.

    Adam in Chicago said:

    Tyler said:

    The Burlington Bees have unveiled their new logo that has a “confident looking insect” according to the article.

    I used to live near Burlington and attended several Bees games, and I have to say I’m disappointed. I loved this logo.

    That old logo is brilliant. You don’t see too many logos with life like that one had. This new one looks too much like every other new logo that comes out.

    The Burlington Busy Bees?

    Fred said-

    Precisely. Good point.

    They should change the names of the team to the Burlington Busy Bees to desribe how over animated
    the new design is. But does this overly cartooned idea really shock anyone who’s followed minor league baseball branding the last three years?

  • DJL | November 14, 2006 at 10:55 am |

    Yesterday, KFC unveiled a new Colonel Sanders logo.

    Also, the Single A Boise Hawks will unveil their new logo tomorrow.

  • BBFAN | November 14, 2006 at 10:58 am |

    [quote comment=”22467″]I like what Lakeland is doing. Those stars are just like pride stickers in college football anyways, so I have no problem with it. Also, the whole game day atmosphere (complete with big band music) sounds pretty damn fun to me.

    The jersey patch, very cool

    Jersey layout[/quote]

    If you go to the second link above, and scroll to the right of the other photos, it looks like they have T-Shirts printed with an additional Flying Tiger Logo, very similar to the actual one used by WWII vets.

    http://www.flickr.co...

  • Jonathon | November 14, 2006 at 11:06 am |

    [quote comment=”22503″]Yesterday, KFC unveiled a new Colonel Sanders logo.

    Also, the Single A Boise Hawks will unveil their new logo tomorrow.[/quote]

    looks like the colonel got a sponsorship deal from adidas

  • Jeremy | November 14, 2006 at 11:06 am |

    Hey is it just me or in the throwback Saints photo the quarterback’s number is black and the running back’s is gold. It may just be the lighting.

  • Matt E. | November 14, 2006 at 11:09 am |

    im an instant fan of the flying tigers. given that I’m a tigers fan, but still, it’s awesome if only for sheer amusement.

    also, and a little of topic, does anyone know what happened to jim caple’s website?

  • Mark | November 14, 2006 at 11:20 am |

    For the love of God and all things holy, could the Bengals please, please, please go back to this look? So much cleaner and classier than anything since. It just kills me that I can’t find an authentic throwback in this style anywhere, suggestions?

  • Cosmo Kramer | November 14, 2006 at 11:21 am |

    Great photo of the late-60’s Broncos. Steve Tensi spent more time curled up in the fetal position after being hit than he did throwing the ball. Those pants were actually orange — but the red was the dominant shade, no doubt. Floyd Little never looked right in those duds…

  • Mike | November 14, 2006 at 11:25 am |

    [quote comment=”22501″]The talk of football helmets is interesting. I was wondering if anyone saw what happened this weekend to Michigan State quarterback Drew Stanton’s helmet after being hit.
    Helmet

    Not exactly a ringing endorsement for Schutt. Has anyone else seen the crown of a helmet just collapse like this before??[/quote]

    I had a helmet do something like that on me once, but it wasnt the schutt DNA model worn by drew stanton, it was a riddell revolution

  • MetsFan AZ | November 14, 2006 at 11:26 am |

    [quote comment=”22509″]For the love of God and all things holy, could the Bengals please, please, please go back to this look? So much cleaner and classier than anything since. It just kills me that I can’t find an authentic throwback in this style anywhere, suggestions?[/quote]
    Maybe my all time least favorite helmet.

  • ard | November 14, 2006 at 11:29 am |

    [quote comment=”22492″]Did anyone see that Deangelo Williams had a Memphis decal on his mouthpiece last night?

    Any pics?[/quote]

    I couldn’t find any pics but I saw the logo as well. It was on the upper part of the “lip protector” mouthpiece that was discussed here a few days ago.

  • sh | November 14, 2006 at 11:31 am |

    the Phillies 2008 Triple A affiliate (Lehigh Valley) just announced their name: IronPigs.

    link

    can’t wait to see the logo on this one. of course i’m really disappointed that my favorite entry, Fightin’ Scrapples, didn’t even make the final 10.

  • Mark | November 14, 2006 at 11:32 am |

    [quote comment=”22512″][quote comment=”22509″]For the love of God and all things holy, could the Bengals please, please, please go back to this look? So much cleaner and classier than anything since. It just kills me that I can’t find an authentic throwback in this style anywhere, suggestions?[/quote]
    Maybe my all time least favorite helmet.[/quote]

    I think the helmet is clean, but to each his own. Interesting story, don’t know how true it is, but Paul Brown changed that helmet to the current striped look after not being able to tell which team was which from the press box. (I may have shared that with the commUNIty before, sorry if it is a repeat story).

  • Riff | November 14, 2006 at 11:36 am |

    ATTN: Mets fans –

    Sports Illustrated recently put up a photo gallery of Japanese baseballers who came over to play in the States. In it, the Mets’ Takashi Kashiwada is shown wearing the special edition white hat that was in question a while back.

  • Kim | November 14, 2006 at 11:37 am |

    [quote comment=”22509″]For the love of God and all things holy, could the Bengals please, please, please go back to this look? So much cleaner and classier than anything since. It just kills me that I can’t find an authentic throwback in this style anywhere, suggestions?[/quote]

    You actually like the helmets that creatively say “BENGALS”?

    Maybe if they mixed the modern helmet with the throwback unis. But I’ve always liked the striped helmet.

  • Mark | November 14, 2006 at 11:40 am |

    [quote comment=”22517″][quote comment=”22509″]For the love of God and all things holy, could the Bengals please, please, please go back to this look? So much cleaner and classier than anything since. It just kills me that I can’t find an authentic throwback in this style anywhere, suggestions?[/quote]

    You actually like the helmets that creatively say “BENGALS”?
    Maybe if they mixed the modern helmet with the throwback unis. But I’ve always liked the striped helmet.[/quote]
    For some reason, yes. A combination could be interesting, but i also thought a helmet incorporating the “B” logo could be good. Maybe it is because Ken Anderson was my favorite player growing up.

  • Kim | November 14, 2006 at 11:45 am |

    [quote comment=”22519″][quote comment=”22517″][quote comment=”22509″]For the love of God and all things holy, could the Bengals please, please, please go back to this look? So much cleaner and classier than anything since. It just kills me that I can’t find an authentic throwback in this style anywhere, suggestions?[/quote]

    You actually like the helmets that creatively say “BENGALS”?
    Maybe if they mixed the modern helmet with the throwback unis. But I’ve always liked the striped helmet.[/quote]
    For some reason, yes. A combination could be interesting, but i also thought a helmet incorporating the “B” logo could be good. Maybe it is because Ken Anderson was my favorite player growing up.[/quote]

    OK, I can compromise on the ‘B’.

    I’ve always felt that football helmets were the place for a logo, not a word mark. Much like hockey jerseys.

  • MetsFan AZ | November 14, 2006 at 11:45 am |

    [quote comment=”22515″][quote comment=”22512″][quote comment=”22509″]For the love of God and all things holy, could the Bengals please, please, please go back to this look? So much cleaner and classier than anything since. It just kills me that I can’t find an authentic throwback in this style anywhere, suggestions?[/quote]
    Maybe my all time least favorite helmet.[/quote]

    I think the helmet is clean, but to each his own. Interesting story, don’t know how true it is, but Paul Brown changed that helmet to the current striped look after not being able to tell which team was which from the press box. (I may have shared that with the commUNIty before, sorry if it is a repeat story).[/quote]
    I’d forgotten about that. I definitely needed the ‘Bengals’ to tell them apart. As far as Ken Anderson, didn’t he wear the stripes also? In the Super Bowl?

  • MetsFan AZ | November 14, 2006 at 11:50 am |

    [quote comment=”22516″]ATTN: Mets fans –

    Sports Illustrated recently put up a photo gallery of Japanese baseballers who came over to play in the States. In it, the Mets’ Takashi Kashiwada is shown wearing the special edition white hat that was in question a while back.[/quote]
    Lots of cool pics, lots of Mets and former Met Shinjo and his forearm towels. Kind of interesting – I would think that Mizuno would have most of these guys locked up so to speak a-la H. Matsui. But lots of swooshes and even some 3-stripe.

  • Richard | November 14, 2006 at 11:52 am |

    Will the new jerseys say Fremont? Would they split the ‘m’ with the buttons?

  • todd krevanchi (krvanch) | November 14, 2006 at 11:52 am |

    [quote comment=”22514″]the Phillies 2008 Triple A affiliate (Lehigh Valley) just announced their name: IronPigs.

    link

    can’t wait to see the logo on this one. of course i’m really disappointed that my favorite entry, Fightin’ Scrapples, didn’t even make the final 10.[/quote]

    yes, the name sucks…but i’ll be getting season tickets, as the stadium will be 2 minutes from my home… right up canal rd in catty…
    http://www.ironpigsb...

  • Mark | November 14, 2006 at 11:56 am |

    [quote comment=”22521″][quote comment=”22515″][quote comment=”22512″][quote comment=”22509″]For the love of God and all things holy, could the Bengals please, please, please go back to this look? So much cleaner and classier than anything since. It just kills me that I can’t find an authentic throwback in this style anywhere, suggestions?[/quote]
    Maybe my all time least favorite helmet.[/quote]

    I think the helmet is clean, but to each his own. Interesting story, don’t know how true it is, but Paul Brown changed that helmet to the current striped look after not being able to tell which team was which from the press box. (I may have shared that with the commUNIty before, sorry if it is a repeat story).[/quote]
    I’d forgotten about that. I definitely needed the ‘Bengals’ to tell them apart. As far as Ken Anderson, didn’t he wear the stripes also? In the Super Bowl?[/quote]
    Yes, Kenny sported the stripes in the Super Bowl appearance (dare I say disappointment?). In fact, the first Super Bowl was the first year of the “yipes stripes” look.

  • autiger | November 14, 2006 at 12:10 pm |

    Most of the sorority girls here at Auburn wear those same shorts. Almost always in black.

  • Andy from KC | November 14, 2006 at 12:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”22473″]The Burlington Bees have unveiled their new logo that has a “confident looking insect” according to the article.[/quote]

    At first glance, I thought the bee was holding a golf club or crowbar or something. Like, “buy a season ticket or I’ll bash your windshield in.”

    I know the bottom half of the bat is supposed to be in shadow, but at first, that’s what it looks like.

  • The Ol Goaler | November 14, 2006 at 12:26 pm |

    The “girdle” is actually an early version of hip/tailbone/kidney pads. I think such pads are still required for high school players, but are almost never used anymore by college or pro players. RBs and WRs often use a flat pad that “hangs” from the bottom of the shoulderpads to protect their lower back… and everybody knows about the “flak jackets” QBs wear.

  • Andy from KC | November 14, 2006 at 12:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”22498″]This photo didn’t have a caption, so I’m not sure which team this was. Odd helmet design, though. Anyone recognize the school in question?

    Those thick stripes are in fact paddding. Cool.

    Willie Lanier of the Hank Stram Kansas City Chiefs used to wear a thick pad across the top of his helmet. It used to have cracked paint after Willie would put a lickin’ on opponents.

    http://www.christopd...

    Thanks for the Willie Lanier link. I’m too young to have seen him play, but when I hear the term “smash-mouth football,” that’s who I think of.

    Also, I think the Lakeland Flying Tigers’ idea is a great one. In particular, I like that the manager gets to wear “commander” insignia. Maybe the team captain (if there is one) could wear captain’s bars or something. I like this idea a lot. Good history lesson for the fans, too.

  • MetsFan AZ | November 14, 2006 at 12:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”22530″]The “girdle” is actually an early version of hip/tailbone/kidney pads. I think such pads are still required for high school players, but are almost never used anymore by college or pro players. RBs and WRs often use a flat pad that “hangs” from the bottom of the shoulderpads to protect their lower back… and everybody knows about the “flak jackets” QBs wear.[/quote]
    Sorry, I’m just chatty today. But what is it with less pads? Isn’t everyone bigger and faster than they ever were > harder hits. I mean, if they can rupture a spleen, what can’t happen? I’m surprised they don’t look more like the michelin man, or at least hockey players. No offense to hockey, on the contrary with the hits they take being equal to those in the NFL they’re the smart ones. Actually, I’m hockey ignorant, do NHL guys wear less pads than they used to?

  • Korch | November 14, 2006 at 12:43 pm |

    The reason for the different shoes are different shoe launches by Nike.

    Red – China edition
    White/Black/Graffiti – New York edition
    Black/Red/White – Initial Launch

    Most likely done to draw attention to the shoes, possibly even to draw a fine (which Nike will gladly pay), increase exposure and hopefully sell more shoes.

    Remember the initial Air Jordan I was banned by the NBA, because it didn’t have enough white in it, MJ wore them anyway and nike paid the fine until the developed different colorways.

    At this rate lebron will wear about 20 different colorways of the Zoom Lebron IV.

  • J.P. | November 14, 2006 at 12:49 pm |

    Okay, I admit I dig the Flying Tigers schtick, being a WW2 aviation junkie, although the article’s exuberant comment about P-40 “fighter jets” is inexcusable. And yes, Padres khaki (my hometown team!), but is that really a surprise when the company that came up with the idea (I want that job) is based in San Diego?

  • Josh Peterson | November 14, 2006 at 12:52 pm |

    how bout some pics of the girls wearing the shorts

  • BuckeyeMark | November 14, 2006 at 1:04 pm |

    The Flying Tigers thing is awesome. Lakeland was a training base so they have a “right” to the military tie-in. Big band music, aviation stuff, cool logos – I’ve got me a new favorite minor league team. Creativity and a patriotic, historical tie-in — you can’t ask for more!

  • DetLions Faithful | November 14, 2006 at 1:15 pm |

    The flying tigers thing is awesome and I agree that it’s a minor league team doing something “minor leage”. Now in regards to Monday’s ticker…This is jsut a theory, especially since I couldn’t find any photo evidence to back it up. Could Roderick Rogers’ mismatched sleeves been a Georgia undershirt? UG is a Nike school w/ similar colors and only about an hour down the road from Rogers’ hometown of Stone Mountain, GA. This is just a thought, but any of his hometown buddies that ended up going tot he local school could have gotten him a shirt relatively easily if he wanted one.

  • Chris Doran | November 14, 2006 at 1:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”22532″] Actually, I’m hockey ignorant, do NHL guys wear less pads than they used to?[/quote]

    NHL’s today wear a heck of a lot more padding today.
    Bobby Clarke

    Gagne and Forsberg

    Give me a few minutes and I’ll hunt for goalies…

  • Chris Doran | November 14, 2006 at 1:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”22540″][quote comment=”22532″] Actually, I’m hockey ignorant, do NHL guys wear less pads than they used to?[/quote]

    NHL’s today wear a heck of a lot more padding today.
    Bobby Clarke

    Gagne and Forsberg

    Give me a few minutes and I’ll hunt for goalies…[/quote]
    NHL goalies then and now

    Bernie
    Pelle
    Marty

  • Chris Hilf | November 14, 2006 at 1:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”22540″][quote comment=”22532″] Actually, I’m hockey ignorant, do NHL guys wear less pads than they used to?[/quote]

    NHL’s today wear a heck of a lot more padding today.
    Bobby Clarke

    Gagne and Forsberg

    Give me a few minutes and I’ll hunt for goalies…[/quote]
    Forsberg has to wear a lot of padding, else he’d crack his thin candy shell even more than he already does….

  • Mike from Queens | November 14, 2006 at 1:42 pm |

    I’m wondering what the fine line is between baseball teams honoring fallen soldiers or profiting off of them.

    [quote comment=”22467″]I like what Lakeland is doing. Those stars are just like pride stickers in college football anyways, so I have no problem with it. Also, the whole game day atmosphere (complete with big band music) sounds pretty damn fun to me.

    The jersey patch, very cool

    Jersey layout[/quote]

    I’m leaning towards the profit idea, and minor league or not, I find it mildly reprehensible. I don’t have a problem with it, but most people usually do. They have every right to do it, and good for them to be smart enough to capitalize on the danger soldiers face everday, but this isn’t in poor taste? Maybe I just don’t understand what is and what isn’t.

  • BuckeyeMark | November 14, 2006 at 1:49 pm |

    Mike’s question about profiting from fallen soldiers is a good one. However, the Flying Tigers are not known for being a “doomed unit.” This isn’t like Custer’s 7th Calvary that is famed primarily for having been annihilated. The Tigers served honorably and with great distinction in the finest traditions of the military. That is what Lakeland honors – I’ve got no problem with that.

  • AJ | November 14, 2006 at 1:58 pm |

    While looking at pics from last night’s Knicks-Cavs game, I thought Channing Frye’s #7 looked a little funny. As you can see, the Knicks must have changed their #7’s sometime recently. This is a pic from last night, and here is an older pic, I’m not sure when it was taken. Weird that they would change the number 7, but not any other numbers, that I’ve noticed anyways.

  • Vegas4BOC | November 14, 2006 at 2:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”22544″]I’m wondering what the fine line is between baseball teams honoring fallen soldiers or profiting off of them.

    [quote comment=”22467″]I like what Lakeland is doing. Those stars are just like pride stickers in college football anyways, so I have no problem with it. Also, the whole game day atmosphere (complete with big band music) sounds pretty damn fun to me.

    The jersey patch, very cool

    Jersey layout[/quote]

    I’m leaning towards the profit idea, and minor league or not, I find it mildly reprehensible. I don’t have a problem with it, but most people usually do. They have every right to do it, and good for them to be smart enough to capitalize on the danger soldiers face everday, but this isn’t in poor taste? Maybe I just don’t understand what is and what isn’t.[/quote]Wouldn’t a lot of folks attending games be Veterans? Being that it is a retirement area, they probably have a good amount of those people catching a ball game. I think it can add a good drawing element for attendance and support. That’s what helps make Minor League clubs survive.

  • Tessa | November 14, 2006 at 2:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”22544″]I’m wondering what the fine line is between baseball teams honoring fallen soldiers or profiting off of them.

    [quote comment=”22467″]I like what Lakeland is doing. Those stars are just like pride stickers in college football anyways, so I have no problem with it. Also, the whole game day atmosphere (complete with big band music) sounds pretty damn fun to me.

    The jersey patch, very cool

    Jersey layout[/quote]

    I’m leaning towards the profit idea, and minor league or not, I find it mildly reprehensible. I don’t have a problem with it, but most people usually do. They have every right to do it, and good for them to be smart enough to capitalize on the danger soldiers face everday, but this isn’t in poor taste? Maybe I just don’t understand what is and what isn’t.[/quote]

    I was sitting here trying to figure out why this Lakeland idea rubs me the wrong way, and I think this may have put it into words. I have no problem with the WWII themes, but the adding of stars for a pitcher’s wins doesn’t seem right. Maybe I’m over sensitive since we are at war as I type, so bear with me.

    If the skipper is the “commander,” I assume that the pitcher would be representative of a “soldier.” I have no problem with this. I appreciate the opportunity for us all to learn about our history. However, the stars on the cap idea comes dangerously close the the awards received by soldiers as commendation for what they have done in battle. That is where this crosses the line for me – comparing what a pitcher does on the mound (or what any athlete does, for that matter) to what earns you a “star” in the military is reckless.

    I get just as angry when any athlete refers to what they do as a “battle,” “war,” or any other military reference.

    I will now carefully dismount my high horse, which is precariously perched high on a soapbox.

  • Taylor | November 14, 2006 at 2:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”22519″][quote comment=”22517″][quote comment=”22509″]For the love of God and all things holy, could the Bengals please, please, please go back to this look? So much cleaner and classier than anything since. It just kills me that I can’t find an authentic throwback in this style anywhere, suggestions?[/quote]

    You actually like the helmets that creatively say “BENGALS”?
    Maybe if they mixed the modern helmet with the throwback unis. But I’ve always liked the striped helmet.[/quote]
    For some reason, yes. A combination could be interesting, but i also thought a helmet incorporating the “B” logo could be good. Maybe it is because Ken Anderson was my favorite player growing up.[/quote]

    In my opinion, from the neck up the Bengals are the sharpest team in the NFL. From the neck down, they are just one step above the Vikings.

  • MetsFan AZ | November 14, 2006 at 2:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”22552″][quote comment=”22519″][quote comment=”22517″][quote comment=”22509″]For the love of God and all things holy, could the Bengals please, please, please go back to this look? So much cleaner and classier than anything since. It just kills me that I can’t find an authentic throwback in this style anywhere, suggestions?[/quote]

    You actually like the helmets that creatively say “BENGALS”?
    Maybe if they mixed the modern helmet with the throwback unis. But I’ve always liked the striped helmet.[/quote]
    For some reason, yes. A combination could be interesting, but i also thought a helmet incorporating the “B” logo could be good. Maybe it is because Ken Anderson was my favorite player growing up.[/quote]

    In my opinion, from the neck up the Bengals are the sharpest team in the NFL. From the neck down, they are just one step above the Vikings.[/quote]
    The helmets? or the mohawks?

  • Tom C. | November 14, 2006 at 2:20 pm |

    1 Million Nikes shredded. That has to be at least 6 million swooshes chopped up.

    Fake Nike

  • David L | November 14, 2006 at 2:35 pm |

    To comment on the Univ. of Arizona thread of yesterday…
    (sorry, my computer was broken

    Interestingly enough, Arizona’s new uniforms don’t fit any Nike template exactly.
    When everyone sees the wraparound bib, they think Miami, but Arizona’s bib is much sharper in the back(more crisp corners, less thick curves)

    The front is even more noticeable.
    Arizona’s resembles Michigan’s subtle piping more than it does Miami

  • Mark | November 14, 2006 at 2:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”22552″][quote comment=”22519″][quote comment=”22517″][quote comment=”22509″]For the love of God and all things holy, could the Bengals please, please, please go back to this look? So much cleaner and classier than anything since. It just kills me that I can’t find an authentic throwback in this style anywhere, suggestions?[/quote]

    You actually like the helmets that creatively say “BENGALS”?
    Maybe if they mixed the modern helmet with the throwback unis. But I’ve always liked the striped helmet.[/quote]
    For some reason, yes. A combination could be interesting, but i also thought a helmet incorporating the “B” logo could be good. Maybe it is because Ken Anderson was my favorite player growing up.[/quote]

    In my opinion, from the neck up the Bengals are the sharpest team in the NFL. From the neck down, they are just one step above the Vikings.[/quote]
    I don’t necessarily mind the helmets, in fact some combination of the 80’s pre-stripe unis with the current helmet may work. I am just not a big fan of the rest of the uni (of which I own a jersey). However, I must admit that I believe the orange alt. jersey with the black pants is sharp.

  • ACC (the Brain) | November 14, 2006 at 2:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”22512″][quote comment=”22509″]For the love of God and all things holy, could the Bengals please, please, please go back to this look? So much cleaner and classier than anything since. It just kills me that I can’t find an authentic throwback in this style anywhere, suggestions?[/quote]
    Maybe my all time least favorite helmet.[/quote]

    Yes! It is my all time least favorite NFL helmet too. I hate that type font.

    So fortunate that they changed to stripes just in time to play in Super Bowl XV! Timely.

  • godeep mizzou | November 14, 2006 at 2:46 pm |

    I have a Mac computer, and the original link to the Nike shorts doesn’t ever show up for me. Could someone post a different link?

  • Shaeff | November 14, 2006 at 2:52 pm |

    Regarding “less padding” – I once read in SI that Ed McCaffrey (Broncos WR) was so concerned about being slow that he did not wear any pads in his pants, no undershirt, no extra tape or anything. He also had Denver’s equipment manager cut down a pair of jr. high shoulder pads so he’d not have any extra weight dragging him down.

    and yes, those Nike shorts are required attire for 18-25 year old women and standard issue at every sorority house in the country.

  • dennis | November 14, 2006 at 2:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”22480″]I thought Charles Grant was wearing a mock turtleneck that he cut down the middle. The two sides folded down like a bowtie dress shirt. The announcers sounded like idiots talking about it though…[/quote]

    I’m almost positive that you’re correct

  • Joe Hilseberg | November 14, 2006 at 3:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”22560″]I have a Mac computer, and the original link to the Nike shorts doesn’t ever show up for me. Could someone post a different link?[/quote]

    Try it in FireFox or Safari, it works for me…if you are using IE you should remove it from your computer and never use it again and curse the day you ever did use it!

  • MCPlane | November 14, 2006 at 3:15 pm |

    Marc Nelson Jr. said: [quote comment=”22475″]Are those Princeton side panels meant to disguise the ball carrier by making it look like everyone has a ball tucked under their arms? They might have been useful in one of those old-timey offenses with all the fake handoffs and reverses.[/quote]

    I am pretty sure that you’re correct. I remember a story out of one of my childhood “sports legends” books that talked about an Ivy League game (Harvard vs. Princeton, I believe) where the visiting team had sewn brown leather pads onto their jerseys to disguise the ballcarrier.
    When the teams came out to start the game, the home coach went nuts about it, but was told by the officials that there was nothing illegal about the pads. The teams played that way for the first half. When the teams came out for the second half kickoff, the home team produced the game balls which had been painted *RED* during the half. And that was the end of that for the padded jerseys…

  • Korch | November 14, 2006 at 3:17 pm |

    Link from NIKETALK(Lebron Colorways):

    http://p107.ezboard....

  • MCPlane | November 14, 2006 at 3:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”22550″][quote comment=”22544″]I’m wondering what the fine line is between baseball teams honoring fallen soldiers or profiting off of them.

    [quote comment=”22467″]I like what Lakeland is doing. Those stars are just like pride stickers in college football anyways, so I have no problem with it. Also, the whole game day atmosphere (complete with big band music) sounds pretty damn fun to me.

    I’m leaning towards the profit idea, and minor league or not, I find it mildly reprehensible. I don’t have a problem with it, but most people usually do. They have every right to do it, and good for them to be smart enough to capitalize on the danger soldiers face everday, but this isn’t in poor taste? Maybe I just don’t understand what is and what isn’t.[/quote]

    I was sitting here trying to figure out why this Lakeland idea rubs me the wrong way, and I think this may have put it into words. I have no problem with the WWII themes, but the adding of stars for a pitcher’s wins doesn’t seem right. Maybe I’m over sensitive since we are at war as I type, so bear with me.

    If the skipper is the “commander,” I assume that the pitcher would be representative of a “soldier.” I have no problem with this. I appreciate the opportunity for us all to learn about our history. However, the stars on the cap idea comes dangerously close the the awards received by soldiers as commendation for what they have done in battle. That is where this crosses the line for me – comparing what a pitcher does on the mound (or what any athlete does, for that matter) to what earns you a “star” in the military is reckless.

    I get just as angry when any athlete refers to what they do as a “battle,” “war,” or any other military reference.

    I will now carefully dismount my high horse, which is precariously perched high on a soapbox.[/quote]

    I agree completely with your sentiments about the use of war-like analogies in the context of sports, but I don’t mind the awarding of stars for wins.

    I tend to believe that it mirrors the college helmet decals more than anything.

    Also, there is precedent in the Majors: Stargell Stars.

    In the “We Are Family” era of the Pirates, Willie Stargell used to “award” embroidered stars to his teammates for hustle and key plays. I remeber trying to get some of them to put on my Pirates cap as a kid, to no avail.

  • MetsFan AZ | November 14, 2006 at 3:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”22556″]To comment on the Univ. of Arizona thread of yesterday…
    (sorry, my computer was broken

    Interestingly enough, Arizona’s new uniforms don’t fit any Nike template exactly.
    When everyone sees the wraparound bib, they think Miami, but Arizona’s bib is much sharper in the back(more crisp corners, less thick curves)

    The front is even more noticeable.
    Arizona’s resembles Michigan’s subtle piping more than it does Miami[/quote]
    glad you brought up yesterday. one of the typeface/font guys brought up the “A” logo with the Roman A inside a Varsity A. Arizona used to have an all varsity logo with a solid varsity red A inside a navy varsity outline with some white space in between. They made the change when i was there in the early 90’s. The new logo was hailed as being more “academic”. I couldn’t find any pics after an exhaustive search. The Icecats still use a “hockey”fied version of the old logo. also, checkout the Rangers inspired jerseys http://www.uaicecats...

  • Kramer | November 14, 2006 at 3:33 pm |

    ah, wildwood, lucy the elephant,and pork roll. now your talking about places, and awesome food i know paul. thats where i take my vacation for the new jersey state firemans convention in september, and ive been to lucy once,

    now to keep it uni related, keyshawn had the jersey tied again last night, and i have seen a helmet break like that, but it was a regular schutt, not a dna. it was cool because the other d-tackle and i did it. it made the wierdest pop sound

  • Matthew S. | November 14, 2006 at 3:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”22570″][quote comment=”22550″][quote comment=”22544″]I’m wondering what the fine line is between baseball teams honoring fallen soldiers or profiting off of them.

    [quote comment=”22467″]I like what Lakeland is doing. Those stars are just like pride stickers in college football anyways, so I have no problem with it. Also, the whole game day atmosphere (complete with big band music) sounds pretty damn fun to me.

    I’m leaning towards the profit idea, and minor league or not, I find it mildly reprehensible. I don’t have a problem with it, but most people usually do. They have every right to do it, and good for them to be smart enough to capitalize on the danger soldiers face everday, but this isn’t in poor taste? Maybe I just don’t understand what is and what isn’t.[/quote]

    I was sitting here trying to figure out why this Lakeland idea rubs me the wrong way, and I think this may have put it into words. I have no problem with the WWII themes, but the adding of stars for a pitcher’s wins doesn’t seem right. Maybe I’m over sensitive since we are at war as I type, so bear with me.

    If the skipper is the “commander,” I assume that the pitcher would be representative of a “soldier.” I have no problem with this. I appreciate the opportunity for us all to learn about our history. However, the stars on the cap idea comes dangerously close the the awards received by soldiers as commendation for what they have done in battle. That is where this crosses the line for me – comparing what a pitcher does on the mound (or what any athlete does, for that matter) to what earns you a “star” in the military is reckless.

    I get just as angry when any athlete refers to what they do as a “battle,” “war,” or any other military reference.

    I will now carefully dismount my high horse, which is precariously perched high on a soapbox.[/quote]

    I agree completely with your sentiments about the use of war-like analogies in the context of sports, but I don’t mind the awarding of stars for wins.

    I tend to believe that it mirrors the college helmet decals more than anything.

    Also, there is precedent in the Majors: Stargell Stars.

    In the “We Are Family” era of the Pirates, Willie Stargell used to “award” embroidered stars to his teammates for hustle and key plays. I remeber trying to get some of them to put on my Pirates cap as a kid, to no avail.[/quote]

    Lots of little leagues do this too. When I played in grade school, we got a gold star on our hats for every team win and a silver star for each home run.

    At the risk of exposing my self to righteous indignation, I really think you’re all looking too far into this. It’s a promotional idea based upon the concept of the team’s new name which I think honors these little known veterans . Honestly, how many people are familiar with the American Volunteer Group (aka, the Flying Tigers)? Now how many more people will know about them due to the Lakeland Tigers changing their name? More than before.

  • bj | November 14, 2006 at 3:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”22482″]W/r/t those nike shorts: every girl at UVa wears them. I’ve tried to point this out to my friends and they look at me like I’m crazy.[/quote]

    Does it surprise anyone that college-aged ladies are brand-whores? Everything they wear is a veritable uniform: whether it be Nike shorts, Lucky Jeans, Chanel sunglasses, Victoria’s Secret sweatpants, Rainbow sandals, or whatever else.

    My girlfriend isn’t a sorority girl, but she does wear those shorts when she’s running (training for Disney Marathon). They’re de riguer here at UF.

  • Minna H | November 14, 2006 at 3:59 pm |

    On the Lakeland Flying Tigers: I agree with my boy Mike from Queens (good to see ya) and Tessa more or less. I think if they were really honoring the group, that would be one thing. This smacks more of a gimmick, which made me flinch when I first read it. I don’t mind the logo too much, but I do protest the star on the pitcher’s hat because it makes light of what real soldiers go through and because it’s too individualistic. If you’re going that route, why not a star for every homer?

    As for Matthew S.’s point about it bringing attention to The Flying Tigers, I would posit that it is superficial attention at best. It’s like the pink hats for breast cancer—visible, but ultimately, negligible. I don’t think many people will give the name more than a second’s thought.

  • Minna H | November 14, 2006 at 4:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”22575″]

    Does it surprise anyone that college-aged ladies are brand-whores? Everything they wear is a veritable uniform: whether it be Nike shorts, Lucky Jeans, Chanel sunglasses, Victoria’s Secret sweatpants, Rainbow sandals, or whatever else.

    My girlfriend isn’t a sorority girl, but she does wear those shorts when she’s running (training for Disney Marathon). They’re de riguer here at UF.[/quote]

    Let’s be careful not to be too general about this, bj. When I was in college, I never wore designer anything, nor did many of my friends. That would be like saying every college boy is a drunk idiot who doesn’t care about anything other than finding the nearest keg party and getting laid.

  • MetsFan AZ | November 14, 2006 at 4:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”22577″][quote comment=”22575″]

    Does it surprise anyone that college-aged ladies are brand-whores? Everything they wear is a veritable uniform: whether it be Nike shorts, Lucky Jeans, Chanel sunglasses, Victoria’s Secret sweatpants, Rainbow sandals, or whatever else.

    My girlfriend isn’t a sorority girl, but she does wear those shorts when she’s running (training for Disney Marathon). They’re de riguer here at UF.[/quote]

    Let’s be careful not to be too general about this, bj. When I was in college, I never wore designer anything, nor did many of my friends. That would be like saying every college boy is a drunk idiot who doesn’t care about anything other than finding the nearest keg party and getting laid.[/quote]
    I think maybe it’s just “greeks”. Kind of the herd mentality.

  • Nick | November 14, 2006 at 4:10 pm |

    I love the Lakeland uni’s, especially the stencil style numbers.

    I’m surprised that no one’s mentioned that the Nike shorts link came up with the shorts in Paul’s least favorite color, that was no accident.
    And in the picture of Paul Tensi, what team is playing the Broncos? I don’t recognize that uniform at all.

  • Tessa | November 14, 2006 at 4:14 pm |

    Exactly, Minna. It is one thing to be named in honor of a military unit, it is another thing to compare your team to a military unit. It is a fine line, and I just think they are toeing it.

    Just my opinion. I won’t be chaining myself to their foul pole or anything. Heck, if they were my hometown team, I’d probably go to the games.

    Speaking of my old hometown’s team – the IronPigs? Really? I love steel as much as the next girl, but what the heck? It is good that they at least didn’t choose another steel-related product – we would have had the Lehigh Valley Cokeheads. Now that is a uniform I’d like to see!

  • Matthew S. | November 14, 2006 at 4:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”22576″]On the Lakeland Flying Tigers: I agree with my boy Mike from Queens (good to see ya) and Tessa more or less. I think if they were really honoring the group, that would be one thing. This smacks more of a gimmick, which made me flinch when I first read it. I don’t mind the logo too much, but I do protest the star on the pitcher’s hat because it makes light of what real soldiers go through and because it’s too individualistic. If you’re going that route, why not a star for every homer?

    As for Matthew S.’s point about it bringing attention to The Flying Tigers, I would posit that it is superficial attention at best. It’s like the pink hats for breast cancer—visible, but ultimately, negligible. I don’t think many people will give the name more than a second’s thought.[/quote]

    Minna, I understand your larger point about whether it’s really meant to commemorate or if it’s just a gimmick and your argument makes sense, but I guess I’m choosing to believe in the good intentions of the team ownership and not think of this as a marketing gimmick. Is this any better or worse though than clothing company L.L. Bean selling a leather jacket under the name “Flying Tigers Leather Fligth Jacket”? (they do actually sell such a thing, it’s on their website and any catalogue). I’m not sure really. The argument could be made either way. My point though is that this is the sort of thing that we shouldn’t look into so far that we pick apart the inner meaning behind the ownership’s decision to switch the team name. If the name was being used in an offensive manner then I would agree, but as it is now I just cannot see any major problem with it. Nor do I have a problem with the stars. Like I said earlier, little league teams all over the country do just that: award stars for winning a game or hitting a home run. It all seems innocuous to me.

  • Minna H | November 14, 2006 at 4:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”22578″][quote comment=”22577″][quote comment=”22575″]

    Does it surprise anyone that college-aged ladies are brand-whores? Everything they wear is a veritable uniform: whether it be Nike shorts, Lucky Jeans, Chanel sunglasses, Victoria’s Secret sweatpants, Rainbow sandals, or whatever else.

    My girlfriend isn’t a sorority girl, but she does wear those shorts when she’s running (training for Disney Marathon). They’re de riguer here at UF.[/quote]

    Let’s be careful not to be too general about this, bj. When I was in college, I never wore designer anything, nor did many of my friends. That would be like saying every college boy is a drunk idiot who doesn’t care about anything other than finding the nearest keg party and getting laid.[/quote]
    I think maybe it’s just “greeks”. Kind of the herd mentality.[/quote]

    Yeah, I hear you, MetsFan AZ. Herd mentality is everywhere. It’s just that being one of the few women who post on the board and most likely the only Asian person, I try not to let stereotypes proliferate without response—except for the one that real fans don’t wear pink. I want that one to be spread far and wide.

  • Minna H | November 14, 2006 at 4:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”22581″]Exactly, Minna. It is one thing to be named in honor of a military unit, it is another thing to compare your team to a military unit. It is a fine line, and I just think they are toeing it.

    Just my opinion. I won’t be chaining myself to their foul pole or anything. Heck, if they were my hometown team, I’d probably go to the games.

    Speaking of my old hometown’s team – the IronPigs? Really? I love steel as much as the next girl, but what the heck? It is good that they at least didn’t choose another steel-related product – we would have had the Lehigh Valley Cokeheads. Now that is a uniform I’d like to see![/quote]

    Welcome, Tessa. Loved the last bit about the Lehigh Valley Cokeheads. I would buy that t-shirt.

    p.s. I don’t like the fake sumo-wrestling the St. Paul Saints have, but I would go to the game regardless, so I agree with you on that, too.

  • Ian K | November 14, 2006 at 4:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”22577″]

    Let’s be careful not to be too general about this, bj. When I was in college, I never wore designer anything, nor did many of my friends. That would be like saying every college boy is a drunk idiot who doesn’t care about anything other than finding the nearest keg party and getting laid.[/quote]

    Ah, college. Such memories…

    But seriously folks, a uni related message. Brandon Webb wins the NL Cy and mlb.com front page has Webb posed in his new brick red D-Backs uni.

  • Minna H | November 14, 2006 at 4:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”22582″]

    Minna, I understand your larger point about whether it’s really meant to commemorate or if it’s just a gimmick and your argument makes sense, but I guess I’m choosing to believe in the good intentions of the team ownership and not think of this as a marketing gimmick. Is this any better or worse though than clothing company L.L. Bean selling a leather jacket under the name “Flying Tigers Leather Fligth Jacket”? (they do actually sell such a thing, it’s on their website and any catalogue). I’m not sure really. The argument could be made either way. My point though is that this is the sort of thing that we shouldn’t look into so far that we pick apart the inner meaning behind the ownership’s decision to switch the team name. If the name was being used in an offensive manner then I would agree, but as it is now I just cannot see any major problem with it. Nor do I have a problem with the stars. Like I said earlier, little league teams all over the country do just that: award stars for winning a game or hitting a home run. It all seems innocuous to me.[/quote]

    I don’t have a problem with the name, per se, Matthew S.—I really am more against the star thing. Interesting that little league teams do it, but I think that’s where it should be kept.

    Full disclosure, I have a problem with individual accolades in general (though merit decals look cool), but more so in this case.

    I agree, however, that it isn’t something to get into a lather about—I would just prefer they didn’t use the stars.

  • Chad G | November 14, 2006 at 4:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”22577″][quote comment=”22575″]

    Does it surprise anyone that college-aged ladies are brand-whores? Everything they wear is a veritable uniform: whether it be Nike shorts, Lucky Jeans, Chanel sunglasses, Victoria’s Secret sweatpants, Rainbow sandals, or whatever else.

    My girlfriend isn’t a sorority girl, but she does wear those shorts when she’s running (training for Disney Marathon). They’re de riguer here at UF.[/quote]

    Let’s be careful not to be too general about this, bj. When I was in college, I never wore designer anything, nor did many of my friends. That would be like saying every college boy is a drunk idiot who doesn’t care about anything other than finding the nearest keg party and getting laid.[/quote]

    I did notice that everyone that has commented on these shorts goes to rather large schools (Auburn, Florida, Texas A&M, etc..). Greek life is a big part of these types of schools and their members are very visable and part of the everyday lives of the students there. I went to a large school (Penn State) and while I was there (probably is still true) the “sorostitute” uniform were “butt shorts”. You now the little cotton ones with the stuff written on the butt. Obviously not everyone wore them, not even every sorority girl, but many of them do and they are very noticeable. It’s tuff for us red blooded american boys to not notice 3 feet of leg and 4 inches of cotton. Whats my point? I’m not even really sure, I just know that at college (especially large universities) it’s easy to notice large groups doing similar things.

  • Robert | November 14, 2006 at 4:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”22495″]Nike shorts epidemic has taken over Texas A&M College Station.[/quote]

    I will need some photographic evidence of the coeds wearing these shorts. Thank you.

  • Minna H | November 14, 2006 at 4:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”22588″]

    I did notice that everyone that has commented on these shorts goes to rather large schools (Auburn, Florida, Texas A&M, etc..). Greek life is a big part of these types of schools and their members are very visable and part of the everyday lives of the students there. I went to a large school (Penn State) and while I was there (probably is still true) the “sorostitute” uniform were “butt shorts”. You now the little cotton ones with the stuff written on the butt. Obviously not everyone wore them, not even every sorority girl, but many of them do and they are very noticeable. It’s tuff for us red blooded american boys to not notice 3 feet of leg and 4 inches of cotton. Whats my point? I’m not even really sure, I just know that at college (especially large universities) it’s easy to notice large groups doing similar things.[/quote]

    Chad G., excellent point. I went to a private liberal arts college here in MN with no sorority and with six months of cold, so there weren’t many butt-huggers here. Plus, it was some time ago. To echo what Ian K. said, “Ahhhhh, college.”

  • David L | November 14, 2006 at 4:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”22571″][quote comment=”22556″]To comment on the Univ. of Arizona thread of yesterday…
    (sorry, my computer was broken

    Interestingly enough, Arizona’s new uniforms don’t fit any Nike template exactly.
    When everyone sees the wraparound bib, they think Miami, but Arizona’s bib is much sharper in the back(more crisp corners, less thick curves)

    The front is even more noticeable.
    Arizona’s resembles Michigan’s subtle piping more than it does Miami[/quote]
    glad you brought up yesterday. one of the typeface/font guys brought up the “A” logo with the Roman A inside a Varsity A. Arizona used to have an all varsity logo with a solid varsity red A inside a navy varsity outline with some white space in between. They made the change when i was there in the early 90’s. The new logo was hailed as being more “academic”. I couldn’t find any pics after an exhaustive search. The Icecats still use a “hockey”fied version of the old logo. also, checkout the Rangers inspired jerseys http://www.uaicecats...

    Now i’m not a big hockey guy, but I think those “IceCats” jerseys are horendous.

    They have a cool retro feel, and that might be a nice alternate, but that green cactus doesn’t fit at all.

    Yes, I know there are plenty of cacti in Tucson(I was born there), but there is no green in the UA color scheme, and even worse than that, it clashes horribly with the red/blue.

    An on the logo topic..
    Yes the A is most definitely a thing of beauty.

  • Al | November 14, 2006 at 4:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”22580″]I love the Lakeland uni’s, especially the stencil style numbers.

    I’m surprised that no one’s mentioned that the Nike shorts link came up with the shorts in Paul’s least favorite color, that was no accident.
    And in the picture of Paul Tensi, what team is playing the Broncos? I don’t recognize that uniform at all.[/quote]
    Althou you don’t see the telltale BENGALS on the helmet or any pants striping, those are the Cincy Bengals.

  • Andy F. | November 14, 2006 at 4:58 pm |

    While watching some of the Syracuse football game this Saturday with my sister (she’s an alum otherwise I wouldn’t watch), I noticed an interesting detail on their helmets. Last season they changed their helmets back to the Jim Brown era style with the player number on the sides, similar to Alabama. But I noticed that this didn’t provide enough identification for them, so they added this. It is very difficult to see, but there is a circular decal on the back next to the helmet stripe with the players number on it. It is a very pale blue on an either clear or orange decal.
    After going through lots of pics, I found these pictures of a much bolder blue being used. The cuse has never been bothered by being covered in numbers in the past (notice the numbers on the hip, which I liked), but isn’t this a bit much? It’s already on the helmet in huge numbers twice!

    P.S. Though someone assumed I noticed the raised “NY” on the Giants helmets thanks to HDTV, I didn’t. It was good ole fashioned tv. I can only imagine what it looked like on HD. And thanks for the shout out Paul.

  • todd krevanchi (krvanch) | November 14, 2006 at 5:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”22575″][quote comment=”22482″]W/r/t those nike shorts: every girl at UVa wears them. I’ve tried to point this out to my friends and they look at me like I’m crazy.[/quote]

    Does it surprise anyone that college-aged ladies are brand-whores? Everything they wear is a veritable uniform: whether it be Nike shorts, Lucky Jeans, Chanel sunglasses, Victoria’s Secret sweatpants, Rainbow sandals, or whatever else.

    My girlfriend isn’t a sorority girl, but she does wear those shorts when she’s running (training for Disney Marathon). They’re de riguer here at UF.[/quote]
    [quote comment=”22568″]Link from NIKETALK(Lebron Colorways):

    http://p107.ezboard....

    Hey my site made it!!! December 9th we will celebrate our 7th anniversary online…

    [quote comment=”22572″]ah, wildwood, lucy the elephant,and pork roll. now your talking about places, and awesome food i know paul. thats where i take my vacation for the new jersey state firemans convention in september, and ive been to lucy once.[/quote]

    how bout this delicious regional delicacy luk!
    http://www.roadfood....

    [quote comment=”22581″]Speaking of my old hometown’s team – the IronPigs? Really? I love steel as much as the next girl, but what the heck? It is good that they at least didn’t choose another steel-related product – we would have had the Lehigh Valley Cokeheads. Now that is a uniform I’d like to see![/quote]

    as a current resident in the valley, unfortunately it is a sad commentary about the young people here that your suggested nickname is actually quite accurate…

    [quote comment=”22575″][quote comment=”22482″]My girlfriend isn’t a sorority girl, but she does wear those shorts when she’s running (training for Disney Marathon). They’re de riguer here at UF.[/quote]

    my sister wore the exact same ones for the runners world half marathon in allentown last april…

  • todd krevanchi (krvanch) | November 14, 2006 at 5:10 pm |

    shit…
    wish there was an edit feature…

  • Sean Janssen | November 14, 2006 at 5:25 pm |

    Hey, seriously where’s another link to the Nike shorts photo? The one in the post doesn’t work at all for me either.

  • Jonathan | November 14, 2006 at 5:28 pm |

    I got some information here regarding that unlabeled photo…

    You can barely make out the distinctive concrete side of Yale Bowl underneath the left arm of the white shirt #23, and yes it is Harvard. Since Yale was weaing their home blue shirt and Harvard the away white, it had to have taken place during an odd year since even years are played at Harvard Stadium.

    This site here shows the 1963 Harvard helmets with the thick crimson stripe, (the 1961 helmet only features the thin stripe and 1965 the switched to the all-crimson.)

    My suspicion is that picture was taken on November 23, 1963,with Yale winning 20-6. This was played just the day after the Kennedy Assassination!!! Harvard graduate Kennedy got no love

    I “worked” at Yale Bowl in the late 1970s though early 1980s as a rope guard, fun place to be as a kid.

    Jonathan

  • Chris Coleman | November 14, 2006 at 6:00 pm |

    I like the ‘Flying Tigers’ idea. Although the logo is not as good as the this or this or this.

  • Paul Lukas | November 14, 2006 at 6:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”22599″]Hey, seriously where’s another link to the Nike shorts photo? The one in the post doesn’t work at all for me either.[/quote]

    Here‘s a screen shot.

  • Fred | November 14, 2006 at 6:10 pm |

    It’s the … IRONPIGS.

    Lehigh Valley’s minor league baseball team selects a nickname
    By Daniel Patrick Sheehan Of The Morning Call.

    After 3,500 contest entries, 10,000 online votes, 10 focus groups and plenty of second-guessing, it came down to this:

    The Lehigh Valley IronPigs.

    Keenly aware of the rich marketing potential of a quirky name — the minor leagues, a half-billion dollar industry, are full of Mudcats, Warthogs and Crawdads — team officials took the task seriously, hiring one of the nation’s top sports marketing companies, Plan B Branding of Florida, to oversee the process.

    Finley said the agency — whose efforts on behalf of other clubs have led to attendance records and massive merchandise sales — undertook a sophisticated market analysis, helped to winnow the field of names and “all along kind of took the pulse of the community.”

    Huh? IronPigs is a great marketing idea? I’d hate to see the bad ideas? Nothion

  • Tim B | November 14, 2006 at 8:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”22558″][quote comment=”22512″][quote comment=”22509″]For the love of God and all things holy, could the Bengals please, please, please go back to this look? So much cleaner and classier than anything since. It just kills me that I can’t find an authentic throwback in this style anywhere, suggestions?[/quote]
    Maybe my all time least favorite helmet.[/quote]

    Yes! It is my all time least favorite NFL helmet too. I hate that type font.

    So fortunate that they changed to stripes just in time to play in Super Bowl XV! Timely.[/quote]

    That “BENGALS” helmet immediately brings me back to those little plastic football helmets you would get in the quarter machine in the supermarket many years ago. You know, the ones with the little clip on facemask. Truly a classic.

  • Bryan S | November 14, 2006 at 8:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”22467″]I like what Lakeland is doing. Those stars are just like pride stickers in college football anyways, so I have no problem with it. Also, the whole game day atmosphere (complete with big band music) sounds pretty damn fun to me.

    The jersey patch, very cool

    Jersey layout[/quote]

    Yeah, you know what? At first I thought this was a terrible idea, but then I thought about it and realised that it’s actually pretty cool; here we have a team that is doing something no other baseball team has ever done before, being completely original in the sports world, in sharp looking uniforms. Sure, it’s a little bit hokey, but c’mon, it’s minor league baseball, there’s a team named after a Simpsons Episode Why not this?

    I gotta level with you, I feel like the Uni Watch has become very pessimistic towards new ideas and concepts in the “Uni-verse.” Especially as of late, and while I love the classics as much as the next uni-addict, I feel like while we shoud cherrish the PSU or the Detroit Tigers classics, we shoulnd’t exclude new ideas, immidately disregarding them before we even give them a chance… I dunno., thats just my two cents, anyone care to cmment?

  • Bryan S | November 14, 2006 at 8:09 pm |

    …Iron Pigs, I rest my case on the minor league baseball thing.

  • redemske | November 14, 2006 at 8:22 pm |

    My wife has those Nike shorts. Several of them, actually. I’m a fan.

  • Duke Egbert | November 14, 2006 at 8:32 pm |

    Can’t take the IronPigs thing seriously. Of course, I live in a town where the best we could come up with was ‘Express’ — *yawn*.

    And I like purple, darn it.

  • Minna H | November 14, 2006 at 8:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”22615″]

    I gotta level with you, I feel like the Uni Watch has become very pessimistic towards new ideas and concepts in the “Uni-verse.” Especially as of late, and while I love the classics as much as the next uni-addict, I feel like while we shoud cherrish the PSU or the Detroit Tigers classics, we shoulnd’t exclude new ideas, immidately disregarding them before we even give them a chance… I dunno., thats just my two cents, anyone care to cmment?[/quote]

    I actually disagree, Bryan S., if you can believe that. I think what happens is that because the readership of this site is so diverse, there is bound to be at least one person who doesn’t like a new idea regardless of what it is. However, that doesn’t mean that person is in the majority on the issue, but it is more natural to see the dissenters. Take, for example, the color black. Regularly, someone will state, “I know everybody on this site hates black…” when in fact I am very vocal about my support for the color black.

    Taking a mini-look at my own preferences, I hate anything pastel, like red and black (which means I like the new Diamondback jerseys, especially the alternates), hate the Nike templates, like the monochrome look for the most part, am neutral to the Fighting Tigers’ logo, am against the use of stars. There is a healthy mixture of like and dislike for the new in that mini-list.

    I agree that one shouldn’t automatically shun something new just because it’s new, but on the other hand, I also don’t think one has to automatically embrace something new for the same reason.

    In other words, I like or don’t like something based on its own merit and by a completely subjective set of standards—like everyone else.

    My last example: The epitome of aesthetic perfection

  • bj | November 14, 2006 at 9:51 pm |

    after reading some opinions about the stars on caps issue, I think it does border very closely with taking the military metaphor a bit too far.

    army’s football team issuing stars is cool with me, but not a minor league baseball team.

    I suggest using the most appropriate symbol: the bomb
    It’s a pretty common sight to see the bomb symbols on the nose of WWII planes, signifying targets destroyed. again, it might take the metaphor a bit too far, but I think it’s better than the star, which is awarded for things far more important than a win or a save.

  • John C | November 14, 2006 at 9:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”22509″]For the love of God and all things holy, could the Bengals please, please, please go back to this look? So much cleaner and classier than anything since. It just kills me that I can’t find an authentic throwback in this style anywhere, suggestions?[/quote]
    I didn’t see the throwback jersey on their website but I’m pretty sure that you could get one at Koch Sporting Goods in downtown Cincy..they have everything or can get it. Here is the site. I would love if the Bengals would even have a throwback uni day but since they currently have the orange jersey as their alternate the NFL won’t let them. They only allow teams 3 jersey options.

  • Chris Doran | November 14, 2006 at 9:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”22613″][quote comment=”22558″][quote comment=”22512″][quote comment=”22509″]For the love of God and all things holy, could the Bengals please, please, please go back to this look? So much cleaner and classier than anything since. It just kills me that I can’t find an authentic throwback in this style anywhere, suggestions?[/quote]
    Maybe my all time least favorite helmet.[/quote]

    Yes! It is my all time least favorite NFL helmet too. I hate that type font.

    So fortunate that they changed to stripes just in time to play in Super Bowl XV! Timely.[/quote]

    That “BENGALS” helmet immediately brings me back to those little plastic football helmets you would get in the quarter machine in the supermarket many years ago. You know, the ones with the little clip on facemask. Truly a classic.[/quote]

    You mean these?

    Then they went and updated the facemasks showing here
    Actually that one is a bit of a mix of helmets, including two Bengals stripe helmets.

  • Paul Lukas | November 14, 2006 at 10:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”22615″]I gotta level with you, I feel like the Uni Watch has become very pessimistic towards new ideas and concepts in the “Uni-verse.”[/quote]

    That’s fair. I’m generally pretty skeptical about reinventing the wheel, but that’s just me. I’m happy to hear other opinions.

  • DH | November 14, 2006 at 10:06 pm |

    Indiana State is sporting new uniforms this season, going away from the Sycamore leaf down the side, to this

    They are also sporting the MoVal centennial logo patch on the right shoulder.

  • Bryan S | November 14, 2006 at 10:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”22620″][quote comment=”22615″]

    I gotta level with you, I feel like the Uni Watch has become very pessimistic towards new ideas and concepts in the “Uni-verse.” Especially as of late, and while I love the classics as much as the next uni-addict, I feel like while we shoud cherrish the PSU or the Detroit Tigers classics, we shoulnd’t exclude new ideas, immidately disregarding them before we even give them a chance… I dunno., thats just my two cents, anyone care to cmment?[/quote]

    I actually disagree, Bryan S., if you can believe that. I think what happens is that because the readership of this site is so diverse, there is bound to be at least one person who doesn’t like a new idea regardless of what it is. However, that doesn’t mean that person is in the majority on the issue, but it is more natural to see the dissenters. Take, for example, the color black. Regularly, someone will state, “I know everybody on this site hates black…” when in fact I am very vocal about my support for the color black.

    Taking a mini-look at my own preferences, I hate anything pastel, like red and black (which means I like the new Diamondback jerseys, especially the alternates), hate the Nike templates, like the monochrome look for the most part, am neutral to the Fighting Tigers’ logo, am against the use of stars. There is a healthy mixture of like and dislike for the new in that mini-list.

    I agree that one shouldn’t automatically shun something new just because it’s new, but on the other hand, I also don’t think one has to automatically embrace something new for the same reason.

    In other words, I like or don’t like something based on its own merit and by a completely subjective set of standards—like everyone else.

    My last example: The epitome of aesthetic perfection[/quote]

    I guess I wasn’t very clear in what I meant in my last post,, let me try to clear a few things up:

    1. I totally agree that beauty is in the eye of the bholder, and that everyone is aloud to have thir own likes and dilikes, which is what makes us all different and interesting. It’s just when I read things like “Let’s all avoid the rush and start hating this idea right now, shall we?” I feel like a new idea of something that could potentially be cool, is immidately being disregarded before it’s even given a chance.

    2. As for the genreralizations, stuff like “everyone who reads this blog hates black” Is exactally what I’m trying to get at. For the recored: I am a huge Baltimore Ravens fan, and when I read about how Purple and Black are terrible colors and should be ditched from the world of jerseydom, I sort of feel like Paul (who I have nothing against, and totally appreciate the hard work that he puts into making Uni Wach run) is alienating a large part of his constituency, and while he clearly feels strongly about the topic, I feel like there are probably a large group of readers who feel quite differetnly (such as myself) who don’t want to speak up.

    3. on the other hand, I must agree that something new and unique can be god awful (see: Oregon Ducks), bue even stuff like the Nike mismatched sleeve idea could be cool- if it wasn’t mass branded; thus greating an army of Nike clones.

    Again, I am totally for the free flow of Ideas, which is partially why I read the uni watch (despite the strange looks I get from my friends and family when I talk about my mini obession) but I just don’t want to see things being pushed aside before they are given a chance.

  • Minna H | November 14, 2006 at 10:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”22630″]
    I guess I wasn’t very clear in what I meant in my last post,, let me try to clear a few things up:

    1. I totally agree that beauty is in the eye of the bholder, and that everyone is aloud to have thir own likes and dilikes, which is what makes us all different and interesting. It’s just when I read things like “Let’s all avoid the rush and start hating this idea right now, shall we?” I feel like a new idea of something that could potentially be cool, is immidately being disregarded before it’s even given a chance.

    2. As for the genreralizations, stuff like “everyone who reads this blog hates black” Is exactally what I’m trying to get at. For the recored: I am a huge Baltimore Ravens fan, and when I read about how Purple and Black are terrible colors and should be ditched from the world of jerseydom, I sort of feel like Paul (who I have nothing against, and totally appreciate the hard work that he puts into making Uni Wach run) is alienating a large part of his constituency, and while he clearly feels strongly about the topic, I feel like there are probably a large group of readers who feel quite differetnly (such as myself) who don’t want to speak up.

    3. on the other hand, I must agree that something new and unique can be god awful (see: Oregon Ducks), bue even stuff like the Nike mismatched sleeve idea could be cool- if it wasn’t mass branded; thus greating an army of Nike clones.

    Again, I am totally for the free flow of Ideas, which is partially why I read the uni watch (despite the strange looks I get from my friends and family when I talk about my mini obession) but I just don’t want to see things being pushed aside before they are given a chance.[/quote]

    Bryan S., a well-thought out post. I guess I like the fact that Paul (and others) has strong opinions because I know that he is open to other opinions and doesn’t quash debate as long as it is respectful. It gives the blog an identity, so to speak. You go in knowing that Paul hates purple in unis, is against logo creep (as opposed to logos), and doesn’t believe in black on black in the NFL. I think I was more amused than anything by his “let’s all hate it now” comment because it seemed tongue-in-cheek and very Paul-ish to me.

    It could also be because I am pretty pig-headed when it comes to my opinion, so I see where Paul is coming from. This site is definitely hard on those who are more soft-spoken, that’s for sure.

    Either way, I’m off the soapbox now and want to make an innocuous comment about a new uni in my next post. Oh, and Bryan S., please keep speaking your mind even if no one agrees with you—I am the lone voice many times, and it doesn’t stop me from arguing with my last breath.

  • Minna H | November 14, 2006 at 10:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”22629″]Indiana State is sporting new uniforms this season, going away from the Sycamore leaf down the side, to this

    They are also sporting the MoVal centennial logo patch on the right shoulder.[/quote]

    DH, what do you think about the change? I gotta say, I like it. This is a case of less being more. Nice!

  • Texas_Islander | November 14, 2006 at 10:47 pm |

    Just found this picture in a SI photo gallery. I’m torn: Old-school charm or god awful

  • Joe | November 14, 2006 at 11:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”22576″]On the Lakeland Flying Tigers: I agree with my boy Mike from Queens (good to see ya) and Tessa more or less. I think if they were really honoring the group, that would be one thing. This smacks more of a gimmick, which made me flinch when I first read it. I don’t mind the logo too much, but I do protest the star on the pitcher’s hat because it makes light of what real soldiers go through and because it’s too individualistic. [/quote]

    I honestly don’t think soldiers are sitting in Iraq thinking that an f’n star makes light of what they do.

    Get a grip people…it’s a baseball team.

  • DH | November 14, 2006 at 11:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”22633″][quote comment=”22629″]Indiana State is sporting new uniforms this season, going away from the Sycamore leaf down the side, to this

    They are also sporting the MoVal centennial logo patch on the right shoulder.[/quote]

    DH, what do you think about the change? I gotta say, I like it. This is a case of less being more. Nice![/quote]

    I like the new uniform, but I thought the Sycamore leaf down the side was a very unique touch for ISU.

  • Minna H | November 14, 2006 at 11:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”22635″][quote comment=”22576″]On the Lakeland Flying Tigers: I agree with my boy Mike from Queens (good to see ya) and Tessa more or less. I think if they were really honoring the group, that would be one thing. This smacks more of a gimmick, which made me flinch when I first read it. I don’t mind the logo too much, but I do protest the star on the pitcher’s hat because it makes light of what real soldiers go through and because it’s too individualistic.[/quote]

    I honestly don’t think soldiers are sitting in Iraq thinking that an f’n star makes light of what they do.

    Get a grip people…it’s a baseball team.[/quote]

    Joe, come on. You could argue that everything we talk about on this board is ‘just’ about sports and that we should all get a grip. If you’re going to disagree, at least put some thought into it and not be so dismissive.

  • Minna H | November 14, 2006 at 11:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”22634″]Just found this picture in a SI photo gallery. I’m torn: Old-school charm or god awful[/quote]

    Texas_Islander, I vote god-awful. Waaaay too shiny.

  • Minna H | November 14, 2006 at 11:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”22637″][quote comment=”22633″][quote comment=”22629″]Indiana State is sporting new uniforms this season, going away from the Sycamore leaf down the side, to this

    They are also sporting the MoVal centennial logo patch on the right shoulder.[/quote]

    DH, what do you think about the change? I gotta say, I like it. This is a case of less being more. Nice![/quote]

    I like the new uniform, but I thought the Sycamore leaf down the side was a very unique touch for ISU.[/quote]

    DH, I think I would like the leaf better without the thick blue stripe. I agree, though, that the leaf is cool.

  • Brian in Milwaukee | November 14, 2006 at 11:37 pm |

    Marquette has added the nameplates to their walk-ons’ jerseys. Photos here.

  • Old School | November 14, 2006 at 11:51 pm |

    Saints photo with the white trimmed jerseys…did Billy Kilmer ever wear 14 for the Saints? I remember him as 17 in NO and DC…even SF. Those Saints unis were great…unlike the team. As Paul has noted, they once wore black helmets in a preseason game.

    Bengals helmets…the current striped helmet is hard to beat, though I love anything old school…Greg Cook, Trumpy, Virgil Carter. Nice comment regarding great from the neck up, terrible from the neck down. Orange is actually an ok change of pace.

    And you know I love the Syracuse unis – especially the grey facemasks.

  • Mike from Queens | November 14, 2006 at 11:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”22582″][quote comment=”22576″]On the Lakeland Flying Tigers: I agree with my boy Mike from Queens (good to see ya) and Tessa more or less. I think if they were really honoring the group, that would be one thing. This smacks more of a gimmick, which made me flinch when I first read it…As for Matthew S.’s point about it bringing attention to The Flying Tigers, I would posit that it is superficial attention at best. It’s like the pink hats for breast cancer—visible, but ultimately, negligible. I don’t think many people will give the name more than a second’s thought.[/quote]

    little league teams all over the country do just that: award stars for winning a game or hitting a home run. It all seems innocuous to me.[/quote]

    Little League teams are non-profit and, in theory, for children (in most places, with exception for the whole LLWS yearly debacle). So, it is not even close to being comparative. If a local Little League team wants to feel special or like grown ups, or if their manager wants to honor veterans, I’m all about it. The second you take honoring veterans and turn a profit (ie: all those fake NYPD, FDNY hats on the streets of Manhattan post 9-11), you’re cheapening it.

    Again, they have the right to do whatever they want. That’s what freedom is all about. I do, however, think it’s disingenuous to make it about the soldiers when it’s really about a “gimmick.” Surprisingly, if you go to the Padres store on mlb.com, there is no camo jersey. There shouldn’t be. It should be about honoring their military contingent, not exploiting them.

  • Old School | November 14, 2006 at 11:59 pm |

    Football historian Mark Bolding, whose excellent web site was spotlighted here two weeks ago, has added a new section to his site, focusing on starting QBs at various points in NFL history. The full section is available here.

    The Falcons Bob Berry was my fave as a kid…check him out on the link. His double bar face mask was huge…as were the Falcons helmet logos. Great look, especially compared to thier unis these days.

  • Josh | November 15, 2006 at 12:00 am |

    When I was in school all the sorority girls wore These shorts in navy, white, or red

  • Teebz | November 15, 2006 at 12:01 am |

    I’ll be perfectly honest.

    If it deals with NHL jerseys, I’ll drop my two cents. It’s my passion. Heck, hockey is my religion. You don’t mess with a good thing, and you certainly don’t tuck a jersey in.

    Baseball is sort of neutral ground to me. I’m not big on most jerseys unless they are traditional and timeless. However, bold and daring jerseys are a step in a new direction, so I won’t say I absolutely hate them unless they are god-awful.

    I hate the NFL, so I don’t even touch that debate. Can’t stand watching the game, much less examining the jerseys.

    And the NBA is simply terrible. ‘Nuff said.

    Hopefully that clears up my stance. I certainly don’t have a problem commenting on the other leagues, but I’d rather stick to what I know best. :o)

  • Mike from Queens | November 15, 2006 at 12:02 am |

    One small clarification and I’ll try to shut up:

    If that Lakeland team is donating some of their profit (jersey sales, ticket sales, advertising, etc) to all the veterans who have had their benefits cut and their lives destroyed by the horrors of war, I rescind my comments. I will, however, need a full audit to ever believe it happened.

  • tessa | November 15, 2006 at 12:04 am |

    [quote comment=”22628″][quote comment=”22615″]I gotta level with you, I feel like the Uni Watch has become very pessimistic towards new ideas and concepts in the “Uni-verse.”[/quote]

    That’s fair. I’m generally pretty skeptical about reinventing the wheel, but that’s just me. I’m happy to hear other opinions.[/quote]

    Since I recently found this blog, I have gone back and read practically every post and most of your comments. Being new to this “commUNIty” (but clearly picking up quickly on the lingo), I might be able to give some perspective on this issue.

    That perspective is simply this – you all seem pretty reasonable. I base this on the fact that I have seen, more than once, someone change their opinion (and post to acknowledge the change) in the middle of a debate because someone else has made a solid point. I think this kind of “pessimism” is part of the change process when you are faced with a new concept that replaces one with which you are familiar, and in some cases, one that you love. I also think we are lucky to have a place to put these thoughts into words and not be mocked for it.

    I never post to the websites that I read, but I felt comfortable doing so after seeing the history of all of your posts. That speaks volumes from my end.

    p.s. Thank you for the welcome, Minna. That was very kind.

  • Minna H | November 15, 2006 at 12:22 am |

    [quote comment=”22647″]I’ll be perfectly honest.

    If it deals with NHL jerseys, I’ll drop my two cents. It’s my passion. Heck, hockey is my religion. You don’t mess with a good thing, and you certainly don’t tuck a jersey in.

    Baseball is sort of neutral ground to me. I’m not big on most jerseys unless they are traditional and timeless. However, bold and daring jerseys are a step in a new direction, so I won’t say I absolutely hate them unless they are god-awful.

    I hate the NFL, so I don’t even touch that debate. Can’t stand watching the game, much less examining the jerseys.

    And the NBA is simply terrible. ‘Nuff said.

    Hopefully that clears up my stance. I certainly don’t have a problem commenting on the other leagues, but I’d rather stick to what I know best. :o)[/quote]

    See, Teebz, you know a little something about self-restraint and you stick to what you know. Unlike me who will willingly stick my nose where it doesn’t belong, leading people to have false impressions, such as I actually know something about hockey. Have fun at volleyball tonight in your butt-hugging black shorts?

  • Minna H | November 15, 2006 at 12:24 am |

    [quote comment=”22648″]One small clarification and I’ll try to shut up:

    If that Lakeland team is donating some of their profit (jersey sales, ticket sales, advertising, etc) to all the veterans who have had their benefits cut and their lives destroyed by the horrors of war, I rescind my comments. I will, however, need a full audit to ever believe it happened.[/quote]

    Mike from Queens: don’t ever shut up. Speak the truth, brother, and thanks for bringing up a good point I hadn’t thought of.

  • Giancarlo | November 15, 2006 at 12:26 am |

    Check out San Diego’s John Hadl on the Mark Bolding site. The Chargers are wearing bolt-less jerseys.

  • Minna H | November 15, 2006 at 12:30 am |

    [quote comment=”22649″]

    Since I recently found this blog, I have gone back and read practically every post and most of your comments. Being new to this “commUNIty” (but clearly picking up quickly on the lingo), I might be able to give some perspective on this issue.

    That perspective is simply this – you all seem pretty reasonable. I base this on the fact that I have seen, more than once, someone change their opinion (and post to acknowledge the change) in the middle of a debate because someone else has made a solid point. I think this kind of “pessimism” is part of the change process when you are faced with a new concept that replaces one with which you are familiar, and in some cases, one that you love. I also think we are lucky to have a place to put these thoughts into words and not be mocked for it.

    I never post to the websites that I read, but I felt comfortable doing so after seeing the history of all of your posts. That speaks volumes from my end.

    p.s. Thank you for the welcome, Minna. That was very kind.[/quote]

    tessa, I have to agree with you yet again. You put it better than I, however. I also agree with you about the kind of board that allows one to step out of lurker-dom and jump right in. I have read this blog since its inception as I followed Uni Watch in ESPN and loved the idea of seeing what Paul had to write every day. I didn’t participate until contributing to the Pedro fund, and I haven’t shut up since. This is also the first (and only) board on which I contribute.

    I think we have a pretty damn group of people for the most part, and I love the heated discussions about the merits of shoulder stripes or striped socks or whatever.

    By the way, I had dinner tonight with a friend of mine who said, “I grew up in the seventies when striped socks were all the rage. I can’t stand them.” I told her that you guys would tell me to get a new friend.

  • Minna H | November 15, 2006 at 12:51 am |

    [quote comment=”22653″]

    I think we have a pretty damn group of people for the most part, and I love the heated discussions about the merits of shoulder stripes or striped socks or whatever.

    [/quote]

    Can you spot the mistake? I can. Should say:

    I think we have a pretty damn good group of people….Only I am damned.

  • DW '95 | November 15, 2006 at 1:08 am |

    Logo creep gone huge.

  • tessa | November 15, 2006 at 1:12 am |

    [quote comment=”22654″][quote comment=”22653″]

    I think we have a pretty damn group of people for the most part, and I love the heated discussions about the merits of shoulder stripes or striped socks or whatever.

    [/quote]

    Can you spot the mistake? I can. Should say:

    I think we have a pretty damn good group of people….Only I am damned.[/quote]

    If any of us are damned, I know a saint that could help out. I don’t know if this has ever been noted on this site before, but the patron saint of the clothing industry is St. Paul the Hermit. He managed to become the patron of the industry because in his hermitage, he wove his own clothes out of palm leaves. Short article on him here

  • Holla At your Boy | November 15, 2006 at 1:16 am |

    Did anyone notice Torrie Cox had something written on his eye black. Im thinking it was his area code.
    Its hard to see if, but its there:
    http://sports.yahoo....

  • a arauz | November 15, 2006 at 9:55 am |

    [quote comment=”22652″]Check out San Diego’s John Hadl on the Mark Bolding site. The Chargers are wearing bolt-less jerseys.[/quote]
    Back to Billy Kilmer off that site: someone had mentioned that Kilmer always wore 17, which I completely agree with, in fact, I’m not even sure that’s Billy in the picture provided….

    Anyone know if the Saints had a quarterback that wore 14 during ’67 to ’70 ?

  • BillB | November 15, 2006 at 10:46 am |

    about the broncos red pants… I read somewhere that their orange was originally supposed to be closer to that, a burnt orange or “Texas” orange, but b/c of a mistake ordering they got stuck with their bright “Tennessee” orange.

  • ACC (the Brain) | November 15, 2006 at 12:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”22647″]I’ll be perfectly honest.

    If it deals with NHL jerseys, I’ll drop my two cents. It’s my passion. Heck, hockey is my religion. You don’t mess with a good thing, and you certainly don’t tuck a jersey in.

    Baseball is sort of neutral ground to me. I’m not big on most jerseys unless they are traditional and timeless. However, bold and daring jerseys are a step in a new direction, so I won’t say I absolutely hate them unless they are god-awful.

    I hate the NFL, so I don’t even touch that debate. Can’t stand watching the game, much less examining the jerseys.

    And the NBA is simply terrible. ‘Nuff said.

    Hopefully that clears up my stance. I certainly don’t have a problem commenting on the other leagues, but I’d rather stick to what I know best. :o)[/quote]

    Wow what a sports fan.

    How does one hate the NFL?

  • Teebz | November 15, 2006 at 9:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”22964″]

    Wow what a sports fan.

    How does one hate the NFL?[/quote]

    Because I do. It’s boring, the league outlaws any fun, and there are far too many whiny, selfish “superstars” that put themselves first and their team second.

    And while I appreciate your cutting sarcasm (excuse that sarcasm), maybe next time you should ask before you assume anything about me. You don’t know anything about me as a sports fan.

  • old school | November 15, 2006 at 10:14 pm |

    Thanks for the support, a arauz…that doesn’t look like Kilmer at all. The Saints web site lists #14 as Ed Hargett as a QB who played from 69 – 72, from Texas A&M. The name rings a bell.

    That’s a nice QB wed site, isn’t it? Berry’s face mask pictured was actually not as big as one he wore in later years, but for the life of me, I can’t find another photo on the web…yet. I did find Berry and will ask him…and will report back through Paul.

  • Ethan R. | November 15, 2006 at 11:13 pm |

    Don’t know if this has ever been posted (i just stubmled on it!), but its a great website featuring patches that you can purchases. Check out the “defunct” teams link!

    patchcollection.com

  • ACC (the Brain) | November 17, 2006 at 2:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”23025″][quote comment=”22964″]

    Wow what a sports fan.

    How does one hate the NFL?[/quote]

    Because I do. It’s boring, the league outlaws any fun, and there are far too many whiny, selfish “superstars” that put themselves first and their team second.

    And while I appreciate your cutting sarcasm (excuse that sarcasm), maybe next time you should ask before you assume anything about me. You don’t know anything about me as a sports fan.[/quote]

    I guess what I mean is I don’t want to know anything about you since you seem so negative and bitter you’re only serving to antagonize other sports fans.

  • Mike | November 21, 2006 at 7:44 pm |

    Do you agree that the San Diego Chargers powder blue throwback jerseys and the white lightning bolt helmets are the best ever nfl uniforms?
    If not what do you think are best ever. Thanks