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Border Crossing

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The Diamondbacks unveiled their new uniforms last night. I’ll have a full review in my next ESPN column, which will run tomorrow. But for now I want to talk about one specific aspect of them: alignment.

When the Dbacks’ new logos were first leaked a few months back, I held off on commenting, because I had a feeling that the typography (rendered in “minor league comic book fonts,” says Uni Watch design director Scott M.X. Turner) would look very different when rendered in fabric than it did on the computer screen.

Turns out I was right, but not in the way I expected. Whatever else you may think of the new unis, it looks like they’ve got a major problem with the way the chest insignia breaks across the jersey placket. In short: Because of the logo’s design, they had to split the “a” into two halves, and most of the time it doesn’t line up. This shows up again and again (and again) in photos from last night’s unveiling event, and even, to a lesser extent, in MLB’s official merch photo.

Other teams occasionally have placket problems, but I can’t remember seeing anything quite this bad, especially on on a consistent basis. One reason it looks so jarring, I’m sure, is that this is a new logo, so we need to get used to it before we can adjust to seeing a misaligned version of it. But still. Didn’t anyone realize this was going to be a problem?

Some additional context would be useful. I don’t have time to check every other MLB team’s logo/placket intersection, but I’m sure one of you is already heading off to research that — right?

Uni Watch News Ticker: Amusing note toward the end of this page about Wisconsin football coach Bret Bielema’s tie (and don’t worry, it nothing to do with purple), courtesy of Jim Polzin. … Nice contribution from Ali Kushan, who writes: “I saw this picture while looking at the 2006-07 St. John’s University Media Guide. It dates back to the late 1920s and is of former Redman James Collins.” … Miami will wear “95” helmet decals on Saturday, in memory of Bryan Pata. … In other remembrance news, Notre Dame and Air Force will both wear helmet decals this Saturday in memory of Gregg Lewis, who played for Air Force and was also the son of Irish assistant coach Bill Lewis. … What’s worse than pink ice for hockey? A purple tennis court, with a purple-clad player to match (send your emergency room bills to Chris Juengel). … Rugby news from Eric Bangeman, who writes: “Thought you might be interested to know that the Springboks, South Africa’s national rugby team, will be wearing 1906 throwback jerseys in their match this weekend against Ireland, to commemorate 100 years of Springbok rugby. Also, I think you’d like the Northampton Saints’ socks.” Indeed. … There’s been a lot of chatter in the Comments section lately about the 49ers’ overuse of their “SF” logo. That problem might become moot, because the team may move. … Our recent discussions of how the basketball is depicted in NBA logos (if you missed those entries, look here and here) has led several readers to do a similar analysis of soccer team logos. “I continue to be fascinated with how many soccer teams use the old late-’60s/early-’70s pentagonal-panel ball in their emblems,” says Scott M.X. Turner. “That ball was in use for maybe five years on the top circuits, yet it’s THE go-to ball for emblem designers.”

 

235 comments to Border Crossing

  • Brian | November 9, 2006 at 9:39 am |

    The Phillies run into misalignment problems occasionally…

    http://www.signonsan...

  • jesse | November 9, 2006 at 9:40 am |

    If you go to the Diamondbacks website you can buy a 2007 authentic hat, they claim that it it 100% wool.

  • Allan Chandler | November 9, 2006 at 9:42 am |

    The D-Backs’ uniforms are dreadful. I agree: How in the world is it acceptable to split the “a” like that? That color red looks like spoiled tomato soup. I also think that abbreviating a team name on a uniform is stupid – if you can’t fit the name onthe jersey, then your team name shoudl be different!

    I only pray that Cincinnati’s new duds are way better than Arizona’s.

  • Chris Doran | November 9, 2006 at 9:43 am |

    Working on a screen shot, but I know the Phillies handle this situation by spelling the name across the jersey PHILLLIES. The third “l” disappears behind the placket.

  • Matt G | November 9, 2006 at 9:43 am |

    Whats wrong with this pic I don’t see any purple :>.

  • Brendan | November 9, 2006 at 9:44 am |

    I too loathe purple, mostly since it is the colour of my two most hated schools: UW and South Eugene High School, but I think that on her it works quite nicely.

  • Brendan | November 9, 2006 at 9:49 am |

    South Eugene http://www.axemenfoo... is coached by a rotten traitor Chris Miller by the way.

  • Craig W | November 9, 2006 at 9:50 am |

    There’s been a lot of chatter in the Comments section lately about the 49ers’ overuse of their “SF” logo. That problem might become moot, because the team may move.
    I wonder if the 49ers will change back to the throwbacks when they move. I just hope that the move isn’t to LA or Anaheim.

  • Shane | November 9, 2006 at 9:51 am |

    Ouch. Try again, D-backs. Try again.

  • Daniel | November 9, 2006 at 9:52 am |

    [quote comment=”21153″]The D-Backs’ uniforms are dreadful. I agree: How in the world is it acceptable to split the “a” like that? That color red looks like spoiled tomato soup. I also think that abbreviating a team name on a uniform is stupid – if you can’t fit the name onthe jersey, then your team name shoudl be different!

    I only pray that Cincinnati’s new duds are way better than Arizona’s.[/quote]

    That’s pretty much the color of the Astros’ alternate jerseys. And since the Astros wore it on the road most of the time (but with Houston instead of Astros on the front), we might see Arizona do something like that.

  • Jonathon | November 9, 2006 at 9:52 am |

    What the hell happens when Arizona plays Houston? They look identical. If they both wear the red alt jerseys, then it’s like a damn scrimmage. I’m surprised MLB did legislate a greater difference between the two sets of unis.

  • Stu | November 9, 2006 at 9:52 am |

    Although I think the D-Backs unis are a HUGE improvement, my problem is that they employ nearly the same color scheme as the Astros unis. I guess we just need to wait a few years for the Astros to completely overhaul their color scheme again and everything will be fine.

  • Matt G | November 9, 2006 at 9:54 am |

    Paul,

    After some quick research thanks to Yahoo photos here are a couple of miss allign jerseys.

    Oakland A’s

    St Louis Cardinals

    The may be more I will keep my eyes open…

  • JohnnyBoy | November 9, 2006 at 9:56 am |

    I think the D’Backs logo looks so bad because of the square nature of the typography. I noticed the same thing in the World Series on both teams (at first I thought it was because I had a few cocktails), but it wasn’t as outright bad looking in script as it is on the Arizona jersey.

  • Robert | November 9, 2006 at 10:01 am |

    “the old late-’60s/early-’70s pentagonal-panel ball”

    This certainly exposes my ignorance of all things soccer. I thought that ball was still in use.

  • Mark Graban | November 9, 2006 at 10:03 am |

    Here’s a recent Frank Deford commentary on the overuse of red uniforms.

    NPR Link

  • Cotton | November 9, 2006 at 10:03 am |

    Holy Moses. The lettering on the new D-Backs top looks as if the West Coast Choppers started a softball team.

  • Josh Peterson | November 9, 2006 at 10:03 am |

    the bad guy from I know what you did last summer is the model for the d-backs now?

  • todd krevanchi (krvanch) | November 9, 2006 at 10:04 am |

    What’s worse than pink ice for hockey? A purple tennis court, with a purple-clad player to match (send your emergency room bills to Chris Juengel).

    she’s amazing… almost perfect…
    speaking of perfect, looks like sue bird might be relocating to OKC within 2 years… that plays right into the “to change or not to change” naming dispute we have gotten into here of late… historically in the wnba, teams have changed their names with the cities like when the orlando miracle became the connecticut sun.
    i guess the seattle storm could be the oklahoma city dust storm…or tornados.

  • shadoquad | November 9, 2006 at 10:05 am |

    As far as the pentagonal-panel ball, I can’t explain why, but that look is iconic to soccer/football. It’s a somewhat handsome, friendly looking ball whose design was unique to soccer. I grew up with that, and I played with several pentagonal balls growing up in the 80’s. I think it’s simply pleasing to the eye. That’s completely subjective, but once you see a pentagonal-panel ball, you don’t think of any other sport that employs a similarly sized orb.

  • LunchBox | November 9, 2006 at 10:05 am |

    There’s always a possbility for jerseys with overlapping text/logo to be mis-aligned, like this and this to name a few. Or there’s the possibility of a bigger gap between the letters. It’s just what you get when you have button down jerseys. No biggie.

  • Paul Lukas | November 9, 2006 at 10:08 am |

    [quote comment=”21166″]After some quick research thanks to Yahoo photos here are a couple of miss allign jerseys.

    Oakland A’s

    St Louis Cardinals

    The may be more I will keep my eyes open…[/quote]

    Yeah, but there’s a big difference between (a) a little loop between two letters being misaligned and (b) an actual letter itself being misaligned. If you look, I think you’ll find that there are very few instances in which an actual letter is split in two. Some, yes, but not many.

  • Kenn | November 9, 2006 at 10:09 am |

    1 – If the Dbacks played the Astros, they wouldn’t both wear red. MLB equipment managers are smarter than that.

    2 – The 49ers say that even if they move to Santa Clara, they won’t change their name from “San Francisco” 49ers, so the SF logo discussion would only be moot if they move out of the Bay Area.

    3 – The soccer team badges you show are all European, where badges are more traditional, have been in use longer, and are more resistant to change. Euro teams don’t go changing their badges willy-nilly just because a different-looking ball comes into use. The teams in MLS that DO feature a soccer ball in their logos (which isn’t every team – Chicago, Chivas USA, FC Dallas, Los Angeles, Columbus and Toronto don’t have soccer balls in their logo) do feature the old-style ball. Considering how many times they’ve changed the style of the MLS match ball in 11 years, this is not at all surprising.

  • todd krevanchi (krvanch) | November 9, 2006 at 10:09 am |

    oh, and almost forgot,
    is tony clark derek lee’s grandfather?

    on a side note, the quote of the event…

    Accomplished rap artist and businessman Master P was there along with Romeo and Young MC.

    “It think it’s great colors, a great combination,” Master P said. “This will be the uniforms that take them to the World Series.”

  • MetsFan AZ | November 9, 2006 at 10:14 am |

    I think the glaring issue is that it’s in the middle of a letter. The only similar example posted so far is the Indians jersey. Most teams seem to know better and their placket is an entire letter.

  • Stu | November 9, 2006 at 10:15 am |

    After doing some quickie visual research, it looks like the soccer ball used today still have the same panel shapes, but the design on the panels have changed

  • Clevo | November 9, 2006 at 10:15 am |

    do they not have a grey road jersey? Or did they think it wasnt important to show it with the rest of the gear?

    It’s better than the old multicolored logo, but to ape the Astros new colors, and to do the old “we’ll change the colors to black to sell more merch” trick is unoriginal at best.

  • MetsFan AZ | November 9, 2006 at 10:16 am |

    [quote comment=”21186″]I think the glaring issue is that it’s in the middle of a letter. The only similar example posted so far is the Indians jersey. Most teams seem to know better and their placket is an entire letter.[/quote]
    A day late and a dollar short on my comment. Thanks Paul.

  • Patrick W. | November 9, 2006 at 10:16 am |

    It’s interesting that all of the overlapping jerseys shown have been for teams that have cursive text on the front of there jersey. The new D-backs Jerseys have block lettering. Can’t be that hard to fix.

  • jeff | November 9, 2006 at 10:18 am |

    I hope in the ESPN column you make some comments about the belts the Dbacks have!

  • Adam | November 9, 2006 at 10:19 am |

    Is it just me or are the new Diamondback uniforms crappy ripoffs of the Nationals crappy uniforms? It seems like we are one step closer to having a template for MLB uniforms like we have for NCAA football.

  • todd krevanchi (krvanch) | November 9, 2006 at 10:21 am |

    im still amazed the reporters published that world series comment! thats what you get for inviting an out of towner…

  • Matt B | November 9, 2006 at 10:21 am |

    True. The older style designs like Valencia or Spurs recall volleyballs or basketballs. Interesting thing about the buckyball design as was that Adidas specifically invented it, so every time you see it, it’s logo creep! They needed a high-contrast ball for the B&W TV broadcasts of the WC, in 1970 I think. The ball’s even called the Telestar. Did they ever patent / copyright it? Think of all the licensing dough…

    As far as the pentagonal-panel ball…that look is iconic to soccer/football. It’s a somewhat handsome, friendly looking ball whose design was unique to soccer…That’s completely subjective, but …you don’t think of any other sport that employs a similarly sized orb.

  • Ryne | November 9, 2006 at 10:22 am |

    Purple may not belong on a tennis court but who can say that she doesn’t look good in purple?

  • Miguel | November 9, 2006 at 10:25 am |

    Maybe I’m in the minority, but I think Maria can wear whatever she wants.

    I’m color-blind, though, so I’m not sure if this is purple.

    A little help, fellow uni-peeps?

  • Matt G | November 9, 2006 at 10:26 am |

    Again Paul you are correct. I was thinking that most teams that have a underline under their name would similar to what you were talking about but after looking I couldn’t find one that hasn’t been posted yet. Thanks for letting me know of the differances. I have been reading this blog for about 3-4 months and your attention to detail has started me on looking for errors or silliness since.

    I am always impressed with what you can find that must people don’t think of.

  • Andy | November 9, 2006 at 10:29 am |

    I think purple doesn’t belong on a men’s jersey, but I have no problem with women wearing the color. Same with pink. They’re girly colors. Let the girlies wear them.

  • DenverGregg | November 9, 2006 at 10:29 am |

    Miguel said, [quote comment=”21202″]Maybe I’m in the minority, but I think Maria can wear whatever she wants.

    I’m color-blind, though, so I’m not sure if this is purple.

    A little help, fellow uni-peeps?[/quote]

    No to the purple, yes to the perfect. Yowza!

  • Kyle | November 9, 2006 at 10:30 am |

    Regardless of what you think of the colors, jersey font, huge A, cartoon snake, etc…

    We all must agree on one thing. The alternate “db” snake head logo is the most interesting use of text-creates-image since the Brewers “mb” glove logo was introduced. It is absolutely great, and should honestly be the primary logo.

  • DJL | November 9, 2006 at 10:31 am |

    Manchester United also has an old-style ball in their logo.

    Today’s interesting Ohio high school football uniform goes to St. Ignatius High in Cleveland. Per tradition, the Jesuit school puts the players names on the backs of their jerseys if the team makes the playoffs.

    Regular Season Playoffs

  • Tim D | November 9, 2006 at 10:37 am |

    [quote comment=”21190″]do they not have a grey road jersey? Or did they think it wasnt important to show it with the rest of the gear?

    It’s better than the old multicolored logo, but to ape the Astros new colors, and to do the old “we’ll change the colors to black to sell more merch” trick is unoriginal at best.[/quote]

    Yes..they have a grey road jersey…You can see it at the Dbacks website. It says ARIZONA on it but not sure if they “split” any letters on that one…

  • Roger | November 9, 2006 at 10:44 am |

    We all must agree on one thing. The alternate “db” snake head logo is the most interesting use of text-creates-image since the Brewers “mb” glove logo was introduced. It is absolutely great, and should honestly be the primary logo.
    That’s one thing I can’t agree with. Ever since I heard someone mention it’s phallic nature, that’s all I see.
    Then again, that just may mean I’m disturbed.

  • Ben | November 9, 2006 at 10:45 am |

    Regarding jerseys with a split letter from the insignia across the jersey placket, both the Blue Jays and Devil Rays (to an extent) have a similar problem as the D’Backs.

  • TBone | November 9, 2006 at 10:47 am |

    I’m surprised nobody commented on the swoosh in the purple tennis pictures. Isn’t that combination enough to make someone’s head explode?

  • Jeff | November 9, 2006 at 10:51 am |

    [quote comment=”21216″]Regarding jerseys with a split letter from the insignia across the jersey placket, both the Blue Jays and Devil Rays (to an extent) have a similar problem as the D’Backs.[/quote]

    The Jays have the same problem on the Road

  • Bob in Hopewell | November 9, 2006 at 10:52 am |

    but, you just have to LOVE the shoes!!

  • orlandor | November 9, 2006 at 10:54 am |

    Looks like the standard away jerseys have the same problem. Here is a pic that shows the standard Arizona print grey road jersey with a split Z.

  • Mike | November 9, 2006 at 10:54 am |

    Almost all “recreational” soccer balls that you would buy at the sporting goods store still use the hexagon+pentagon pattern, even if the graphics don’t match the tiling. However, actual match balls use different patterns altogether. See here for the new ball used in the most recent World Cup. Compare it to a (much) less expensive “rec” version here – same graphics, completely different construction.

  • Jonathon | November 9, 2006 at 10:55 am |

    If you’re focusing on the purple in this photo, then something is wrong with you:

    http://us.news2.yimg...

  • Richard | November 9, 2006 at 10:57 am |

    they unveil the new uniforms, but MLB won’t let them unveil the new batting practice jerseys? c’mon – it’s not a complete unveiling unless you get to show off all of the jerseys…

  • Jonathon | November 9, 2006 at 10:58 am |

    For the pentagonal-panel soccer balls, don’t forget the most important team in this country that still uses it:

    http://www.ussoccer....

  • Ryan | November 9, 2006 at 11:03 am |

    The Diamondbacks new “db” symbol is fairly similar to the one used by country singer Dierks Bentley.
    http://echotools.ech...

  • Tape | November 9, 2006 at 11:04 am |

    [quote comment=”21201″]Purple may not belong on a tennis court but who can say that she doesn’t look good in purple?[/quote]

    I bet she looks good out of purple as well…

  • Pat | November 9, 2006 at 11:05 am |

    The new D-backs jersey bothers me. I don’t mind the logo but, as Paul said, it definitley does not translate well to the jersey. The thing that bothers me most, and you can also see it on the Timberwolves as well as the new D-backs uniforms, is when the stroke around the wording is so heavy that it doesn’t allow for any negative space between any of the letters, almost like there is a solid block that forms around the letters behind the logo.

    I don’t know why more teams go the script route, at least in baseball, if not in basketball as well (even though I kind of hate the stripes around the Clippers armholes I do like the chest insignia. If you aren’t going to go with the script at least the arched type (baseballbasketball) or vertically arched type (basketball(aka. the greatest uniforms in the history of the world — baseball (even though that capital M bothers me)).

  • Bob in Hopewell | November 9, 2006 at 11:07 am |

    I realize that it’s a ways to go for a laugh, but check out gallery 1, pic 8
    So simple, even a Caveman could do it.

    And, black jerseys in Arizona….won’t make it to the WS if you burst into flames! I know, it’s a dry heat….

  • Jonathon | November 9, 2006 at 11:08 am |

    close to Dierks, but it’s really a complete ripoff of David Blaine

    http://shop.davidbla...

  • MetsFan AZ | November 9, 2006 at 11:08 am |

    [quote comment=”21231″]The Diamondbacks new “db” symbol is fairly similar to the one used by country singer Dierks Bentley.
    http://echotools.ech...
    When the unis and logo first surface here someone posted David Blaine’s logo. Much closer.

  • Rich | November 9, 2006 at 11:10 am |

    The split “a” doesn’t really bother me, but big thumbs-down to whoever that is unveiling the new uni wearing pajama pants.

  • Jonathon | November 9, 2006 at 11:11 am |

    [quote comment=”21234″]The new D-backs jersey bothers me. I don’t mind the logo but, as Paul said, it definitley does not translate well to the jersey. The thing that bothers me most, and you can also see it on the Timberwolves as well as the new D-backs uniforms, is when the stroke around the wording is so heavy that it doesn’t allow for any negative space between any of the letters, almost like there is a solid block that forms around the letters behind the logo.

    I don’t know why more teams go the script route, at least in baseball, if not in basketball as well (even though I kind of hate the stripes around the Clippers armholes I do like the chest insignia. If you aren’t going to go with the script at least the arched type (baseballbasketball) or vertically arched type (basketball(aka. the greatest uniforms in the history of the world — baseball (even though that capital M bothers me)).[/quote]

    i agree with that – straight across lettering does not look good on baseball uniforms – that’s the biggest problem with the Nationals, and now the D-backs, unis

  • George | November 9, 2006 at 11:14 am |


    Link to article

    The women’s team at Army will be wearing “MD” in a cloverleaf on their jerseys for the season in honor of late coach Maggie Dixon, who died last year. Also, the coaches in the Patriot league will all be wearing “MD” pins seen
    here
    .

    No word yet on if Pitt will also do anything in her honor, as her brother Jamie is the coach there, and they will be playing in a benefit game for her against Western Michigan at West Point.

  • Rod Gaspar Fan Club | November 9, 2006 at 11:19 am |

    There is obviously no drug testing in the D’backs front office.

  • todd krevanchi (krvanch) | November 9, 2006 at 11:21 am |

    did no one get that the diamondbacks have already been to the world series… and won… 5 years ago… in one of the most memorable world series in recent memory?

    [quote comment=”21232″]I bet she looks good out of purple as well…[/quote]

    that reminded me of one of the funniest pick up lines of all time…
    “thats a beautiful dress. it looks great on you. it would look even better on my bedroom floor”

  • Rod Gaspar Fan Club | November 9, 2006 at 11:24 am |

    [quote comment=”21236″]close to Dierks, but it’s really a complete ripoff of David Blaine[/quote]

    Partial ripoff. Blaine’s logo is a spade (card tricks), and Arizona’s logo is a snake. It actually looks cool.

  • SWinner | November 9, 2006 at 11:26 am |

    Don’t they have velcro to assist in lining up the placket properly? I have a White Sox road jersey and although the overlap in the script Chicago is minor, the velcro sets things straight.

  • skott | November 9, 2006 at 11:27 am |

    i love the diamondbacks new unis.
    maybe its because i hated the old ones so much, but i think this is such an amazing step in the right direction.
    i love it.
    (i like the nationals logo, too but not as much as the Expos logo, of course – THAT was a great twist on letters like the MB brewers thing and the new DB dbacks thing)

    i didn’t know about the Pitt game at westpoint. thats a very classy thing to do. i like that quite a bit.

  • Rod Gaspar Fan Club | November 9, 2006 at 11:30 am |

    [quote comment=”21202″]I’m color-blind, though, so I’m not sure if this is purple.[/quote]
    Somewhere a camel is missing its toe.

  • dchis | November 9, 2006 at 11:38 am |

    [quote comment=”21250″][quote comment=”21236″]close to Dierks, but it’s really a complete ripoff of David Blaine[/quote]

    Partial ripoff. Blaine’s logo is a spade (card tricks), and Arizona’s logo is a snake. It actually looks cool.[/quote]

    The new snake logo is the second best thing about the uniforms. The best thing is the switch from purple. I like the black and the red jerseys. The font sucks. And oh if the hat logos matched the jersey font they would be the only team that uses non-capitalized letters on their hat if I’m correct. The old Brewers logo and the old Braves logo had lower case, but I don’t think any current ones. Also, the snake logo is neat and better than the “A” logo or the “D” logo (which still looks like a Disney D), but the problem I have with it is that it looks like male anatomy shooting it’s stuff out.

  • Cliff Rancho | November 9, 2006 at 11:40 am |

    i love the diamondbacks new unis.
    maybe its because i hated the old ones so much, but i think this is such an amazing step in the right direction.

    I agree Skott, I like them too. Especially compared to their old ones. Are you guys really upset that you won’t be seeing this anymore?

    And as far as the comment that it looks minor league, I think it might look that way since it’s trying to look “southwest”, their old logo looked that way, their new one does too. I’m all for geographical representation with teams.

  • Chad G | November 9, 2006 at 11:40 am |

    Anyone else notice that the Dbacks black jerseys are paired with grey pin striped pants on the road and plain whites at home.

    The red jersey also appears do have 3 different pant choices: plain whites, road greys and white pin stripes

    The white jerseys only seem to be worn with white pants which is a definite good thing along with the grey jerseys only worn with plain grey pants, another good thing…thank god no mixing plain and pin stripes.

  • Joe Hilseberg | November 9, 2006 at 11:43 am |

    [quote comment=”21251″]Don’t they have velcro to assist in lining up the placket properly? I have a White Sox road jersey and although the overlap in the script Chicago is minor, the velcro sets things straight.[/quote]

    Yep, a lot of teams have the velcro, and that;s the best it’s gonna get.

    There have always been alignment issues with jersey. It’s gonna happen. You either split the letter, or you can shift the word to make it off-center.

    The heart off the issue is that the agencies who design these type styles have print/web/TV in mind first and jersey contruction last. They don’t account for the break of the uni or where the buttons fall.

  • Kenny | November 9, 2006 at 11:44 am |

    [quote comment=”21235″]I realize that it’s a ways to go for a laugh, but check out gallery 1, pic 8
    So simple, even a Caveman could do it.

    And, black jerseys in Arizona….won’t make it to the WS if you burst into flames! I know, it’s a dry heat….[/quote]

    In the same gallery there is a split ‘Z’ in the first picture and a couple of pictures later Eric Byrnes has it untucked in his picture

  • Mark in Shiga | November 9, 2006 at 11:46 am |

    Anybody notice that the colors are “Sedona red” and “Sonoran sand”? Seems like these days everyone’s making up their own color names. (Apple and “Bondi blue”, etc.)

    How long until some stooge in the marketing department comes up with, “Hey, if we raise the yellow component of that Sonoran sand color, it would be the same color as a Tostito… and then we could sell the color naming rights to Tostitos and every time the new uniforms were mentioned in the media, people would be saying ‘Tostitos beige’…”

    You know that day is coming.

  • Chris Mewett | November 9, 2006 at 11:46 am |

    On the soccer issue: there’s not a single logo on that page that represents a team that could generally be considered one of the 100 most popular in the world. Most of them are logos from small clubs in small leagues.

    There’s something to be said for the logic of conservatism voiced earlier in the thread; soccer clubs simply don’t change their logos nearly as often. (That said, the Tottenham Hotspur logo posted above is a sort of throwback one just being used this year.)

    Somebody show me a pentagonal-paneled ball in a logo from a big club in England, Spain, Italy, Germany, France, or Holland. I’m not sure there are too many out there. The only one on the page of assembled logos is Reggina (Italy). Their current logo actually has “1986” on it, which I believe is the year that the club was renamed (to Reggina Calcio, the current name) and explains the use of the 80s ball.

  • Teebz | November 9, 2006 at 11:51 am |

    Ok, this will be a little break from the Diamondback chatter today. It appears the outrage towards the new look is only beginning. This is long-winded, so if you don’t want to read it, please scroll past it. However, I hope I’ve included enough good info and pictures to keep you interested.

    First, I’ll look at the little things that are similar between the NHL pro jersey licensed apparel designers. There are four major companies who made NHL pro jerseys. They were Nike/Bauer, Pro Player, Starter, and CCM/Reebok. You know what that means: different companies = different looks. I’ve also included Bauer in here, even though Nike bought them, because they made IHL and AHL pro jerseys.

    Fighting straps: They can be seen by the naked eye if you’re close enough. The Nike/Bauer, Pro Player, and Reebok/CCM jerseys can be identified by the stitching on the back. This is a Nike fighting strap. However, Starter did things a little differently. You can actually see the Starter fighting strap through the jersey due to the material and design of the jersey. This is what the CCM fighting strap looks like on the inside.

    Reinforced Elbows: All five companies have these, and all are basically the same. This is the elbow stitching on my Islanders’ Fisherman jersey. As you can see, the navy blue stitching follows the elbow much in the same way a tweed jacket has a leather patch on the elbow.

    Reinforced Double-Stitching: Again, all companies followed the same design. Some are more apparent than others, but the shoulder stitching looks like this. Again, very noticeable on the Islanders’ Fisherman jersey. Now, companies tend to use the same color thread as the shoulder colors for aesthetics.

    Hem Identification: Here’s where things get tricky. This is also where logo creep in hockey began. I’ll start with the old CCM Islanders’ Fisherman jersey. Here’s the hemline. Now, it is very easy to see the CCM in team colors. All NHL pro jerseys looked like this until 1996 (again, trying to verify this exact date). The reason they changed is because the NHL opened its doors to other licensed apparel companies who advanced jersey technology (and people think competition is bad).
    Pro Player introduced a different jersey material, somewhat similar to Air-Knit material. In doing so, they produced jerseys for teams like Anaheim, Pittsburgh, Phoenix, and Columbus. They were the first company to use the silver NHL logo for pro jerseys and the orange NHL logo for replicas. Here’s the Anaheim hemline.
    Starter was another major player to change the jersey design. They produced jerseys for teams like Carolina, Phoenix, Colorado and Pittsburgh. Here’s the Colorado hemline. The difference between pros and replicas was that Starter used their full name on the pros and and their logo, as seen on the tag here, for replicas.
    And, of course, Nike got in on the action too. Nike produced jerseys for Detroit, Anaheim, San Jose, and Chicago. This is the Anaheim hemline.
    And coming around full circle is Reebok/CCM. This is what they look like today.
    In the IHL/AHL, Bauer hemlines looked like this before Nike said they didn’t want the license.
    And finally, Nike IIHF jerseys have a hemline that look like this.

    Jersey Tag ID: This is straightforward. Old CCM pro jerseys had this tag. Pro Player jerseys had this tag. Note the jersey sizing. Starter jerseys had this tag. Note the jersey sizing on this one as 54-R. This indicated that it was a jersey made for players, not goalies. Nike jerseys had this tag. Note the jersey sizing on this one as 54G. This indicated that the jersey was a jersey made for goalies, not players. The sleeves of a goalie-cut jersey are much wider and much shorter than regular jerseys to accommodate the goalie’s blocker and catcher, as well as the additional padding they wear. This Nike jersey tag is the IIHF pro jersey. Finally, when CCM split its brands into CCM, Koho, and Jofa, they had separate tags. This is a CCM tag. And this is a Koho tag.

    Neck hemline logo creep: Starter and Pro Player never had their logos creep up to the neckline. However, Reebok/CCM and Nike did. As you can see in this picture, the Penguins are clearly wearing Reebok. This started with Nike and CCM. When CCM announced the changes to the jerseys once they were awarded the contract of all the NHL teams, they indicated their logo would be moving north to the neck. Here is the CCM logo on a Penguins jersey. Here is a Koho logo on an Oilers alternate jersey. Nike also followed suit, and now their distinctive swoosh can be seen on all IIHF jerseys below the neckline on the back of their jerseys. Bauer, on the other hand, had their distinctive marking on the front of the left collarbone.

    Finally, I leave you all with this: my greatest jersey!

  • maximumK | November 9, 2006 at 11:53 am |

    I hate the new d-backs jersey, though the new color scheme is nice. It is rather annoying that, when my Nationals play the d-backs in arizona, I’ll get incredibly confused. Their home jerseys use the exact same template.

    Speaking of the Nationals: while I am not huge on their jersey logo (I’m a big proponent of diagonal script), I like the fact that there’s a vertical arch effect on there. The d-backs’ logo is straight on all sides, excepting the letters that stick out.

    Side note on those rugby socks: with the discussion about New Orleans’ kelly green being an official color of mardi gras, bould we have those socks be the Saints’ socks? The black and gold “saints” is already there. All they have to do is add green to their colors.

  • Kim | November 9, 2006 at 11:55 am |

    I hate the new trend of MLB teams apparently designing their uniforms using WordArt.

    Though I do like the subtle touch of the Arizona on the grays hinting at fangs with the lower extentions of the R and N.

    Regarding soccer balls.

    The ball that everyone considers iconic is the adidas Telestar. It’s the ball with hexagonal and pentagonal panels, with the pentagons being black. This ball was developed for the 1968(?) World Cup because it was going to be on TV, and the black panels make it easier to see the motion/rotation of the ball on TV, hence Telestar. The pattern became the norm for years, but in the last 10 or so years a lot more and differnt designs have come out. Here’s an ebay listing with all the adidas World Cup balls.

  • maximumK | November 9, 2006 at 11:56 am |

    I can’t spell…I guess that’s why my parents shell out the big bucks for me to go to college…

  • David N | November 9, 2006 at 12:00 pm |

    Here’s a good view of the Blue Jays uni with the ‘A’ split and not aligned.

    http://www.thestar.c...

  • Chris Doran | November 9, 2006 at 12:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”21262″][quote comment=”21235″]I realize that it’s a ways to go for a laugh, but check out gallery 1, pic 8
    So simple, even a Caveman could do it.

    And, black jerseys in Arizona….won’t make it to the WS if you burst into flames! I know, it’s a dry heat….[/quote]

    In the same gallery there is a split ‘Z’ in the first picture and a couple of pictures later Eric Byrnes has it untucked in his picture[/quote]
    That split Z looks like what the Phillies do as mentioned above…
    When the jersey is unbuttoned it actually reads ARIZ | ZONA or
    PHIL | LLIES.

    IIRC, the phillies method of the three L’s is a callback to the 1950’s era Whiz Kids. I shall continue to look for photos.

  • redemske | November 9, 2006 at 12:04 pm |

    To those worried about potential global implications when the Astros play the Diamondbacks or the Diamondbacks play then Nationals: Relax. They’ll only play each other six times, being from different divisions.

    And don’t be so sure about how smart equipment managers are. The Cubs and Brewers have been spotted on numerous occasions both wearing blue. Different shades, but still stupid.

  • todd krevanchi (krvanch) | November 9, 2006 at 12:10 pm |

    sedona is the place where slide rock is…a smoothed out rock bed which has evolved into a natural slide. the color of this is a red similar to that of the uni’s (well, maybe similar is stretching it)
    http://images.world6...
    http://www.camprrm.c...

  • Florian | November 9, 2006 at 12:12 pm |

    As for the soccer ball thing. All these logos were definetly created after 1970, before that soccer balls would look like this. This is reflected in the other logos mentioned by some people before. Adidas changed to the Telstar in 1970, not only as stated for reasons of TV-visibily. It was also resulted in a big change when it came to playing in the rain. The old leather balls would soak up with water pretty fast and would become terribly heavy changing the complexion of the came. If you went up for a header you went straight for a concussion, if you hit the seams of the ball there was good chance your forehead would split open. I don’t if that’s still true for the balls used in the 60s but in the 20s and 30s it was definitely true. Still the Telstar design somehow has entered the collective consciousness of Europe (can’t vouch for the USA on that) as the prototypical design, probably because its base structure was used for virtually all soccer-balls up until this summer when adidas created the Teamgeist which was made up of just three pieces of synthetic material glued together.

  • Andy | November 9, 2006 at 12:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”21234″]…
    I don’t know why more teams go the script route, at least in baseball, if not in basketball as well (even though I kind of hate the stripes around the Clippers armholes I do like the chest insignia. If you aren’t going to go with the script at least the arched type (baseballbasketball) or vertically arched type (basketball(aka. the greatest uniforms in the history of the world — baseball (even though that capital M bothers me)).[/quote]
    If you’re going to go crazy with the parentheses, you need to close them all.
    5 open parentheses + 3 close parentheses = bad

  • Josh | November 9, 2006 at 12:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”21259″]Anyone else notice that the Dbacks black jerseys are paired with grey pin striped pants on the road and plain whites at home.

    The red jersey also appears do have 3 different pant choices: plain whites, road greys and white pin stripes

    The white jerseys only seem to be worn with white pants which is a definite good thing along with the grey jerseys only worn with plain grey pants, another good thing…thank god no mixing plain and pin stripes.[/quote]

    Actually those are not the current pants. For some reason they were wearing their old pants with the new jerseys. The new look has no pinstripes.
    I think those are promo pics they took in the locker room prior to the “fashion show”, not pics from last night’s event.

  • David N | November 9, 2006 at 12:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”21259″]Anyone else notice that the Dbacks black jerseys are paired with grey pin striped pants on the road and plain whites at home.

    The red jersey also appears do have 3 different pant choices: plain whites, road greys and white pin stripes

    The white jerseys only seem to be worn with white pants which is a definite good thing along with the grey jerseys only worn with plain grey pants, another good thing…thank god no mixing plain and pin stripes.[/quote]

    Some of those pics were taking during the past season and were just taken to show the jerseys, not pants. The home unis will be all white and the road unis will be all gray. The red and black tops can be worn with either the white or gray pants. The pinstriped pants in question are their home pants from last year. If you look closely you can tell b/c Eric Byrnes is wearing purple socks.

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  • Taylor | November 9, 2006 at 12:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”21258″]i love the diamondbacks new unis.
    maybe its because i hated the old ones so much, but i think this is such an amazing step in the right direction.

    I agree Skott, I like them too. Especially compared to their old ones. Are you guys really upset that you won’t be seeing this anymore?

    And as far as the comment that it looks minor league, I think it might look that way since it’s trying to look “southwest”, their old logo looked that way, their new one does too. I’m all for geographical representation with teams.[/quote]

    Thank you. The bottom line is that it is an improvement. A new design will never make everybody say “wow, that’s perfect!” We can say we don’t like this or that about the new jersey, but we can say that about any jersey. I have yet to hear anybody say that the old jerseys are better. Let’s cut them some slack – at least they are moving in a positive direction (unlike most Nike basketball jerseys).

  • Pat | November 9, 2006 at 12:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”21280″][quote comment=”21234″]…
    I don’t know why more teams go the script route, at least in baseball, if not in basketball as well (even though I kind of hate the stripes around the Clippers armholes I do like the chest insignia. If you aren’t going to go with the script at least the arched type (baseballbasketball) or vertically arched type (basketball(aka. the greatest uniforms in the history of the world — baseball (even though that capital M bothers me)).[/quote]
    If you’re going to go crazy with the parentheses, you need to close them all.
    5 open parentheses + 3 close parentheses = bad[/quote]

    I know I know, I got thrown off with all the ‘href’s opening and closing everywhere.

    I’ll try harder next time.

  • Chad G | November 9, 2006 at 12:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”21281″][quote comment=”21259″]Anyone else notice that the Dbacks black jerseys are paired with grey pin striped pants on the road and plain whites at home.

    The red jersey also appears do have 3 different pant choices: plain whites, road greys and white pin stripes

    The white jerseys only seem to be worn with white pants which is a definite good thing along with the grey jerseys only worn with plain grey pants, another good thing…thank god no mixing plain and pin stripes.[/quote]

    Actually those are not the current pants. For some reason they were wearing their old pants with the new jerseys. The new look has no pinstripes.
    I think those are promo pics they took in the locker room prior to the “fashion show”, not pics from last night’s event.[/quote]

    The pics are screen captures from there official slide show, plus they can’t be old pants cause the pin stripes are black not purple, like from the old unis

  • Chad G | November 9, 2006 at 12:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”21289″][quote comment=”21281″][quote comment=”21259″]Anyone else notice that the Dbacks black jerseys are paired with grey pin striped pants on the road and plain whites at home.

    The red jersey also appears do have 3 different pant choices: plain whites, road greys and white pin stripes

    The white jerseys only seem to be worn with white pants which is a definite good thing along with the grey jerseys only worn with plain grey pants, another good thing…thank god no mixing plain and pin stripes.[/quote]

    Actually those are not the current pants. For some reason they were wearing their old pants with the new jerseys. The new look has no pinstripes.
    I think those are promo pics they took in the locker room prior to the “fashion show”, not pics from last night’s event.[/quote]

    The pics are screen captures from there official slide show, plus they can’t be old pants cause the pin stripes are black not purple, like from the old unis[/quote]

    ok, i changed my mind, now the pin stripes look purple to me

  • The Gov'Nah | November 9, 2006 at 12:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”21202″]Maybe I’m in the minority, but I think Maria can wear whatever she wants.

    I’m color-blind, though, so I’m not sure if this is purple.

    A little help, fellow uni-peeps?[/quote]

    i cant tell what color that is. am i allowed to say i am blinded by the “toe of a camel” ???

  • Pat | November 9, 2006 at 12:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”21264″]On the soccer issue: there’s not a single logo on that page that represents a team that could generally be considered one of the 100 most popular in the world. Most of them are logos from small clubs in small leagues.

    There’s something to be said for the logic of conservatism voiced earlier in the thread; soccer clubs simply don’t change their logos nearly as often. (That said, the Tottenham Hotspur logo posted above is a sort of throwback one just being used this year.)

    Somebody show me a pentagonal-paneled ball in a logo from a big club in England, Spain, Italy, Germany, France, or Holland. I’m not sure there are too many out there. The only one on the page of assembled logos is Reggina (Italy). Their current logo actually has “1986” on it, which I believe is the year that the club was renamed (to Reggina Calcio, the current name) and explains the use of the 80s ball.[/quote]

    La Liga

    Getafe CF

    French League 1
    LeMans ’72
    FC Lorient
    OGC Nice
    FC Sochaux-Montbéliard
    Valenciennes
    It appears that the French are quite fond of the pentagonal ball.

    Interestingly, the EPL, La Liga, and Serie A all use the pentagon in their official league logos:
    F.A. Premier League
    Serie A
    La Liga

  • The Gov'Nah | November 9, 2006 at 12:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”21262″][quote comment=”21235″]I realize that it’s a ways to go for a laugh, but check out gallery 1, pic 8
    So simple, even a Caveman could do it.

    And, black jerseys in Arizona….won’t make it to the WS if you burst into flames! I know, it’s a dry heat….[/quote]

    In the same gallery there is a split ‘Z’ in the first picture and a couple of pictures later Eric Byrnes has it untucked in his picture[/quote]

    Eric Byrnes may be the biggest culprit of NOT buttoning his jersey. so he may look like he plays for the D-BAAAACKS or ARIZZZZONA. Can any D-Back fans back me up on this ?

  • Alex | November 9, 2006 at 12:52 pm |

    couple of things…
    first, i actually don’t mind the new d’back unis. that could be because I thought the old ones were plain terrible.
    second, the misalignment of the front two sides of the jersey is inevitable in any MLB style jersey, like paul said it just depends where on the team logo the split occurs. In this case it happens right in the middle of a letter. My home jerseys in high school were much like MLB jerseys and we had a small (1″x1″) square of velcro to help keep the logo aligned. I’ve also seen a button placed directly on the logo (obviously in the same color) but I don’t think it looks nearly as clean.

  • Chris Mewett | November 9, 2006 at 12:59 pm |

    The biggest club of those listed is probably Sochaux, which isn’t saying much. I guess the point I was trying to make is that the smaller clubs that have less history and tradition are more likely to make occasional modifications to their badge and other branding. The same is, of course, true for the leagues, many of whic acquired their current names in recent years (the English Premiership, for example, in ’92-’93 I believe). It’s not surprising that some of those changes would have been made during the period when the Telestar was a popular and iconic representation of the sport.

  • Florian | November 9, 2006 at 1:05 pm |

    “Interestingly, the EPL, La Liga, and Serie A all use the pentagon in their official league logos.”

    Bundesliga used to have it, too, before changing to an MLB-type logo.

  • Mike | November 9, 2006 at 1:05 pm |

    The Blue Jays grey “Toronto” jerseys NEVER line up properly. I think that is the the primary reason I hate them so much.

    I don’t think I’m the only one, cause I’ve seen them on sale for really cheap at a couple of places recently, which means one of two things; 1- They are getting rid of them or 2 – No one is willing to buy one at the normal price and stores just want to get rid of them.

  • Brian from Short Island | November 9, 2006 at 1:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”21181″]1 – If the Dbacks played the Astros, they wouldn’t both wear red. MLB equipment managers are smarter than that.

    2 – The 49ers say that even if they move to Santa Clara, they won’t change their name from “San Francisco” 49ers, so the SF logo discussion would only be moot if they move out of the Bay Area.

    3 – The soccer team badges you show are all European, where badges are more traditional, have been in use longer, and are more resistant to change. Euro teams don’t go changing their badges willy-nilly just because a different-looking ball comes into use. The teams in MLS that DO feature a soccer ball in their logos (which isn’t every team – Chicago, Chivas USA, FC Dallas, Los Angeles, Columbus and Toronto don’t have soccer balls in their logo) do feature the old-style ball. Considering how many times they’ve changed the style of the MLS match ball in 11 years, this is not at all surprising.[/quote]
    Lots of English teams change or at least silghtly modify their badges. Examples include my boys Tottenham Hotspur (old, old and new (look at that ball!) and that scum down the block (old, very old and new
    .
    COYS

  • Brian from Short Island | November 9, 2006 at 1:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”21188″]After doing some quickie visual research, it looks like the soccer ball used today still have the same panel shapes, but the design on the panels have changed [/quote]
    The pentagons used to be bigger, now the hexagons are bigger.

    In addition, there exist odd designs today like the one employed by Mitre (MLS never should have switched away from the original Mitre ball) and adidas

  • Matthew S. | November 9, 2006 at 1:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”21153″]The D-Backs’ uniforms are dreadful. I agree: How in the world is it acceptable to split the “a” like that? That color red looks like spoiled tomato soup. I also think that abbreviating a team name on a uniform is stupid – if you can’t fit the name onthe jersey, then your team name shoudl be different![/quote]

    I had a feeling someone would beat me to this. I’m ok with the colors, but how can you abbreviate your team’s nickname ON the UNIFORM? Some out there will say that Oakland did just this with the A’s, but the jerseys still say ‘Athletics’.

    http://shop.mlb.com/...

    And switching to red? While I’m ok with the color scheme, Arizona gets points off for lack of originality (the Astros did this 6 years ago and it was already a tired colored scheme then). Still, these are somewhat of an improvement. The question now is whether the team will see fit to come up with a ridiculous amount of alternate jersey and hat combinations as they did in the years following the team’s original uniforms being introduced in 1998.

  • mrf | November 9, 2006 at 1:22 pm |

    that nasty tag is “rearing” it’s ugly head again…this time in the n.f.l. (photo courtesy of msn and deadspin.com)

    http://cache.deadspi...

  • Matthew S. | November 9, 2006 at 1:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”21181″]1 – If the Dbacks played the Astros, they wouldn’t both wear red. MLB equipment managers are smarter than that.[/quote]

    No they’re really not; remember when Rangers played the Royals late in the season? Both teams sported their blue alternates. Also, I’m pretty sure I saw the Astros play the Reds while both wore their alternates this past season. Could have been in July or August when it happened.

  • Bowen | November 9, 2006 at 1:30 pm |

    Yeah, the type is bad, but at least they aren’t purple! The font looks wanna-be metal. They should have stuck with a crest on the left. The colors are a major improvement, so give them a break on this one.

    P.S. Why the hell aren’t the Blue Jays blue anymore. Does that piss anybody else off?

  • Bowen | November 9, 2006 at 1:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”21172″]Here’s a recent Frank Deford commentary on the overuse of red uniforms.

    NPR Link[/quote]

    It’s worse the the blue-on-blue teams. The Nuggets, Jazz, Grizz, Titans, Seahawks(though the green helps), & Mavs. If I see one more team with dueling blues, I will puke.

  • JJ | November 9, 2006 at 1:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”21261″][quote comment=”21251″]Don’t they have velcro to assist in lining up the placket properly? I have a White Sox road jersey and although the overlap in the script Chicago is minor, the velcro sets things straight.[/quote]

    Yep, a lot of teams have the velcro, and that;s the best it’s gonna get.

    There have always been alignment issues with jersey. It’s gonna happen. You either split the letter, or you can shift the word to make it off-center.

    The heart off the issue is that the agencies who design these type styles have print/web/TV in mind first and jersey contruction last. They don’t account for the break of the uni or where the buttons fall.[/quote]

    Yup: Boston’s road jerseys have bothered me for quite some time now (not that I’m biased or anything), along with other teams with off-centered lettering. So for those teams with singularly worded, even numbered AND equally sized, individually placed letters (that’s a mouthful), it comes down to:

    A- splitting letters
    or
    B- off-centering letters

    Personally, I’d rather split them up instead of seeing something that just looks like it was slapped on without any regard to symmetry. But of course, there are issues when you encounter something like piping. Then it seems your typography options get severely limited.

    For example, I just made a friend a school sweatshirt for her birthday, and I had five letters to work with. Rather than slipping an extra letter on one side or the other, I decided to cut the middle letter in half and center it on the zip down part. And IMHO it looked worlds better than the unsymmetrical equivalent.
    It suren’t isn’t the easy way out, but with a little extra planning and fabric, I think you’ll end up with something that doesn’t look quite as, well, OFF.

  • Andy from KC | November 9, 2006 at 1:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”21312″][quote comment=”21181″]1 – If the Dbacks played the Astros, they wouldn’t both wear red. MLB equipment managers are smarter than that.[/quote]

    No they’re really not; remember when Rangers played the Royals late in the season? Both teams sported their blue alternates. Also, I’m pretty sure I saw the Astros play the Reds while both wore their alternates this past season. Could have been in July or August when it happened.[/quote]

    I was at that Royals game. There was a double play at one point and I cheered, only to discover the RANGERS turned it and not the Royals. Grrrr.

  • Andy from KC | November 9, 2006 at 1:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”21182″]oh, and almost forgot,
    is tony clark derek lee’s grandfather?

    on a side note, the quote of the event…

    Accomplished rap artist and businessman Master P was there along with Romeo and Young MC.

    “It think it’s great colors, a great combination,” Master P said. “This will be the uniforms that take them to the World Series.”[/quote]

    That’s a great quote. What a hardcore D-Backs fan he must be.

  • JSwerdy | November 9, 2006 at 1:49 pm |

    paul-thanks for the tip on the Springboks throwbacks, my parents are in south africa now and most likely going to the test, i will inform them to take pictures and hopefully pick me up a replica of the throwback

    heres a link to the logo south africa is using to commemorate the 100 years, dont know if this will be on the jersey or a patch, but its on the sarugby website

  • todd krevanchi (krvanch) | November 9, 2006 at 1:53 pm |

    im assuming that based on the logo, the springbok is of the gazelle family like the reebok is…

  • Mark in Shiga | November 9, 2006 at 1:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”21321″]

    “It think it’s great colors, a great combination,” Master P said. “This will be the uniforms that take them to the World Series.”[/quote]

    That’s a great quote. What a hardcore D-Backs fan he must be.[/quote]

    The guy needs to work on his grammar a bit too. English has different pronouns if something’s ni the plural, you know, P?

  • JSwerdy | November 9, 2006 at 1:57 pm |

    some interesting commemerative stuff on the springboks site

    here’s the evolution of the Springbok’s logo over the 100 years

  • JSwerdy | November 9, 2006 at 1:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”21324″]im assuming that based on the logo, the springbok is of the gazelle family like the reebok is…[/quote]

    yea basically, its related to the impala as well i believe (basically they are like deer, just in africa)

  • Chris Doran | November 9, 2006 at 1:59 pm |

    Can’t believe no one has mentioned the MISL orange ball yet.

  • specs | November 9, 2006 at 2:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”21327″]some interesting commemerative stuff on the springboks site

    here’s the evolution of the Springbok’s logo over the 100 years[/quote]

    Who made the decision to go from the original logo to the ’63-’64 logo? “Uh, yeah, so I was thinking we should go from a logo with a dynamic, action-oriented springbok logo, to one where the springbok looks more complacent and boring.” “Yeah, that sounds good to me, let’s go with it.” I know the ’63-’64 logo is still depicting a portion of the springbok’s stride, but it looks much less kinetic.

  • sean | November 9, 2006 at 2:23 pm |

    i dont know if anyone else has noticed, but other than the fact that the new dbacks unis are pure trash, they look pretty much identicle to the nationals…which IMOP dont look very good either.

    http://mlb.imageg.ne...

    http://mlb.imageg.ne...

    WHY DOES EVERYBODY LIKE RED?

    and for the record, purple (i.e. axemen) beats green any day of the week.

  • Miguel | November 9, 2006 at 2:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”21329″]Can’t believe no one has mentioned the MISL orange ball yet.[/quote]

    What is this “MISL” that you speak of?

  • Matthew S. | November 9, 2006 at 2:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”21338″][quote comment=”21329″]Can’t believe no one has mentioned the MISL orange ball yet.[/quote]

    What is this “MISL” that you speak of?[/quote]

    I do believe it was the successor to the CISL (Continental Indoor Soccer League) which folded in the late 90s. There was a player on the Dallas Sidekicks named Tatu who used to take off his jersey and throw it into the stands every time he scored and would sometimes grab the orange ball that the CISL used to do the same thing so that fans would have as many souvenirs of his moment as possible. He scored a lot too so I can’t imagine how many jerseys he went through in a season.

  • todd krevanchi (krvanch) | November 9, 2006 at 2:35 pm |

    anyone else think that it would be neat to see a UNI WATCH weekly segment on either sportscenter, or cold pizza? think how much better it would be with actual video vs. stills.

    or maybe an espn2 show?

    sit down interviews with these people, behind the scenes footage. a segment like “whats in your locker?” to highlight uniform quirks like personal messages on hats, shoes, wristbands, etc.
    “from the clubhouse” with the clubhouse mgr. and those in the know “who get it”.

  • JSwerdy | November 9, 2006 at 2:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”21332″][quote comment=”21327″]some interesting commemerative stuff on the springboks site

    here’s the evolution of the Springbok’s logo over the 100 years[/quote]

    Who made the decision to go from the original logo to the ’63-’64 logo? “Uh, yeah, so I was thinking we should go from a logo with a dynamic, action-oriented springbok logo, to one where the springbok looks more complacent and boring.” “Yeah, that sounds good to me, let’s go with it.” I know the ’63-’64 logo is still depicting a portion of the springbok’s stride, but it looks much less kinetic.[/quote]

    the sarcastic answer to this is as follows: these people were busy subjegating 80% of their population with apartheid, they must not have had much time for uni aesthetic development

    i agree that the logo is definitely an interesting choice to switch the stride, but it is also the first logo with the rugy ball, which im assuming they wanted to be incorporated with the springbok so they made the stride so that it appears the springbok is running on top of the ball. the next evolution has teh ball in stride with the springbok giving the appearance that it is carrying the ball.

    another interesting question is, what was the motivation behind switching the direction of the springbok in 1996. the springbok runs off of the jersey, as opposed to inwards towards it (the logo is on the left breast)

  • sean | November 9, 2006 at 2:37 pm |

    my problem with these new uni’s coming out are these blank white uni’s. the only team that’s got it right are the giants. that cream color is just amazing.

    http://d.yimg.com/us...

    IMOP if youre gunna come out with new uni’s, at least be original. a.k.a the padres.

    http://sports.yahoo....

  • David N | November 9, 2006 at 2:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”21321″][quote comment=”21182″]oh, and almost forgot,
    is tony clark derek lee’s grandfather?

    on a side note, the quote of the event…

    Accomplished rap artist and businessman Master P was there along with Romeo and Young MC.

    “It think it’s great colors, a great combination,” Master P said. “This will be the uniforms that take them to the World Series.”[/quote]

    That’s a great quote. What a hardcore D-Backs fan he must be.[/quote]

    The Dbacks have been touted as having the best minor league system for the past several years (mostly position players) and have the 2006 Cy Young award pitcher (or at worst runner up). Just a few of the reasons why you’ll be seeing the Dbacks back in the WS very soon.

  • Matt G | November 9, 2006 at 2:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”21337″]i dont know if anyone else has noticed, but other than the fact that the new dbacks unis are pure trash, they look pretty much identicle to the nationals…which IMOP dont look very good either.

    http://mlb.imageg.ne...

    http://mlb.imageg.ne...

    WHY DOES EVERYBODY LIKE RED?

    and for the record, purple (i.e. axemen) beats green any day of the week.[/quote]

    Sean, First off I think this has been said already and Secondly Other then the Red Letters I don’t see that many similarites (??spelling??). The Nationals have Vertically Arched Lettering while the D-Backs looks to be Block text. The Nationals also have piping around the neck which the D-backs don’t. I don’t mean to come acroos as harsh I just don’t see what many of you have said today. Please explain….

  • Dfree | November 9, 2006 at 2:42 pm |

    anyone else notice that these uni’s look an awful lot like the nationals, trading blue for black. The format is basically the same.

    on another note, why do nba teams who are playing a home team that wants to wear their color uni’s have to wear white? yet, the lakers wear yellow at home and the opposition can wear their color jersey. What gives?

  • JSwerdy | November 9, 2006 at 2:42 pm |

    also interesting how they combined the pretoria flower with the ball for the latest incarnation of the logo

    i personally like the 96-03 logo the best, but flower/ball combo intrigues me

  • Chad G | November 9, 2006 at 2:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”21346″]my problem with these new uni’s coming out are these blank white uni’s. the only team that’s got it right are the giants. that cream color is just amazing.

    http://d.yimg.com/us...

    IMOP if youre gunna come out with new uni’s, at least be original. a.k.a the padres.

    http://sports.yahoo....

    Not many people like that Padres sand color away jersey, I do though. The thing that sucked is this past season they wore their alternate blue tops most often.

  • Matt Bonnett | November 9, 2006 at 2:46 pm |

    On the changing of soccer club crests, in the last say 15 years i can think of Leeds United, Manchester City, Spurs, Arsenal, Sunderland, and Chelsea who have new crests/badges.

    Manchester United removed the word “football club” from theirs to turn Manchester United into a brand. In fact branding was probably a key issue in most of the redesigns, Arsenal said it was explicitly because they could not prosecute the sellers of unlicenced goods outside their ground as they had no right to their own crest as it had been in use so long without being copyrighted.

    arsenal court case

    On the point about the use of the pentagon ball, i think that is simply an iconic mark now and no-one is worried about whether the current ball looks identical, its an architypal football. BTW the present ball being used in the premiership in England is yellow and blue and looks woeful on tv it looks more purple than blue.

  • dchis | November 9, 2006 at 2:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”21347″][quote comment=”21321″][quote comment=”21182″]oh, and almost forgot,
    is tony clark derek lee’s grandfather?

    on a side note, the quote of the event…

    Accomplished rap artist and businessman Master P was there along with Romeo and Young MC.

    “It think it’s great colors, a great combination,” Master P said. “This will be the uniforms that take them to the World Series.”[/quote]

    That’s a great quote. What a hardcore D-Backs fan he must be.[/quote]

    The Dbacks have been touted as having the best minor league system for the past several years (mostly position players) and have the 2006 Cy Young award pitcher (or at worst runner up). Just a few of the reasons why you’ll be seeing the Dbacks back in the WS very soon.[/quote]

    The Montreal Expos used to have the best farm systems in the post-strike era and that got them to the World Series. OOPS!!!

  • Big L | November 9, 2006 at 2:49 pm |

    I enjoy the Padres road unis and the Giants, I say have the entire NL West of some sort of jersey rule instituted mandating one jersey be a sand/desert color.

    What’s wrong with red?!

  • Pat | November 9, 2006 at 2:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”21346″]my problem with these new uni’s coming out are these blank white uni’s. the only team that’s got it right are the giants. that cream color is just amazing.

    http://d.yimg.com/us...

    IMOP if youre gunna come out with new uni’s, at least be original. a.k.a the padres.

    http://sports.yahoo....

    I agree. I’ve been doing some Illustrator work on during down time at work today and have been trying to come up with something that would better suit the diamondbacks than these new uniforms. The base color of the jersey is yellow, kind of like the Lakers do (but don’t worry, no purple). I don’t think the yellow would conflict with any MLB team’s away jersey since I can’t think of one that wears yellow, and if one wears gold it would probably be an alternate color.

  • todd krevanchi (krvanch) | November 9, 2006 at 2:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”21347″][quote comment=”21321″][quote comment=”21182″]oh, and almost forgot,
    is tony clark derek lee’s grandfather?

    on a side note, the quote of the event…

    Accomplished rap artist and businessman Master P was there along with Romeo and Young MC.

    “It think it’s great colors, a great combination,” Master P said. “This will be the uniforms that take them to the World Series.”[/quote]

    That’s a great quote. What a hardcore D-Backs fan he must be.[/quote]

    The Dbacks have been touted as having the best minor league system for the past several years (mostly position players) and have the 2006 Cy Young award pitcher (or at worst runner up). Just a few of the reasons why you’ll be seeing the Dbacks back in the WS very soon.[/quote]

    what im saying is, if you want a celebrity to be at your event, fine. but if you interview him and he gives you a line like, “these will be the uniforms that take them to the ws.” when your franchise already won a series only 5 years ago, and in different uni’s, he is ignoring and disrespecting the city, the franchise and the history of diamondback baseball..

  • Bowen | November 9, 2006 at 2:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”21351″][quote comment=”21346″]my problem with these new uni’s coming out are these blank white uni’s. the only team that’s got it right are the giants. that cream color is just amazing.

    http://d.yimg.com/us...

    IMOP if youre gunna come out with new uni’s, at least be original. a.k.a the padres.

    http://sports.yahoo....

    Not many people like that Padres sand color away jersey, I do though. The thing that sucked is this past season they wore their alternate blue tops most often.[/quote]

    What happens when the Giants play the Padres? Plus, if this off-white & off-grey trends keeps up, when will we see the powder blue roadies again?

  • Pat | November 9, 2006 at 2:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”21360″][quote comment=”21346″]my problem with these new uni’s coming out are these blank white uni’s. the only team that’s got it right are the giants. that cream color is just amazing.

    http://d.yimg.com/us...

    IMOP if youre gunna come out with new uni’s, at least be original. a.k.a the padres.

    http://sports.yahoo....

    I agree. I’ve been doing some Illustrator work on during down time at work today and have been trying to come up with something that would better suit the diamondbacks than these new uniforms. The base color of the jersey is yellow, kind of like the Lakers do (but don’t worry, no purple). I don’t think the yellow would conflict with any MLB team’s away jersey since I can’t think of one that wears yellow, and if one wears gold it would probably be an alternate color.[/quote]

    By the way, I’ll see if I can post my creations on Monday.

  • Big L | November 9, 2006 at 2:52 pm |

    Or…

    Let’s bring back some great styles of the past

  • Pat | November 9, 2006 at 2:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”21362″][quote comment=”21351″][quote comment=”21346″]my problem with these new uni’s coming out are these blank white uni’s. the only team that’s got it right are the giants. that cream color is just amazing.

    http://d.yimg.com/us...

    IMOP if youre gunna come out with new uni’s, at least be original. a.k.a the padres.

    http://sports.yahoo....

    Not many people like that Padres sand color away jersey, I do though. The thing that sucked is this past season they wore their alternate blue tops most often.[/quote]

    What happens when the Giants play the Padres? Plus, if this off-white & off-grey trends keeps up, when will we see the powder blue roadies again?[/quote]

    Bowen, go to the office and get a late pass.

  • Chad G | November 9, 2006 at 3:00 pm |

    This is not uni-related…but over the past couple years it has really bothered me that the 2 leagues don’t have the same number of teams…My solution: move the Diamondbacks and their new unis to the AL west and put the Astros in the NL west. This way you get an even number of teams in each league and division, and they’re still aligned geographically and they diamondbacks don’t have that much history with the NL…even though they won a world series…thoughts?

  • dchis | November 9, 2006 at 3:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”21371″]This is not uni-related…but over the past couple years it has really bothered me that the 2 leagues don’t have the same number of teams…My solution: move the Diamondbacks and their new unis to the AL west and put the Astros in the NL west. This way you get an even number of teams in each league and division, and they’re still aligned geographically and they diamondbacks don’t have that much history with the NL…even though they won a world series…thoughts?[/quote]

    Well my first thought is that would make perfect sense for aligning the divisions adn the leagues. But there is one major problem. That would give each league a total of 15 teams, which means that every day there would be a team in each league without someone to play. The only time you would not have a team with a day off would be during interleague play (which I would like to see go away). So, they have to have 14 in one (AL) and 16 in the other (NL) so they can play traditional schedules. The only way they could change it would be to either add two more teams or decrease by two. Either way I don’t see any of those scenarios happening any time soon.

  • a arauz | November 9, 2006 at 3:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”21332″][quote comment=”21327″]some interesting commemerative stuff on the springboks site

    here’s the evolution of the Springbok’s logo over the 100 years[/quote]

    Who made the decision to go from the original logo to the ’63-’64 logo? “Uh, yeah, so I was thinking we should go from a logo with a dynamic, action-oriented springbok logo, to one where the springbok looks more complacent and boring.” “Yeah, that sounds good to me, let’s go with it.” I know the ’63-’64 logo is still depicting a portion of the springbok’s stride, but it looks much less kinetic.[/quote]

    Yer funny… but I agree with you, the original is nice, but the one they just replaced is tops, imo. If you want to see a truly un-kenetic (?) rugby mascot, check out the Argentine Puma. (Which is actually a leopard, but was mistaken by some press during their first tour, coincidentally to Sarf Africa.

  • Chris Doran | November 9, 2006 at 3:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”21339″][quote comment=”21338″][quote comment=”21329″]Can’t believe no one has mentioned the MISL orange ball yet.[/quote]

    What is this “MISL” that you speak of?[/quote]

    I do believe it was the successor to the CISL (Continental Indoor Soccer League) which folded in the late 90s. There was a player on the Dallas Sidekicks named Tatu who used to take off his jersey and throw it into the stands every time he scored and would sometimes grab the orange ball that the CISL used to do the same thing so that fans would have as many souvenirs of his moment as possible. He scored a lot too so I can’t imagine how many jerseys he went through in a season.[/quote]
    The Original MISL predated the CISL, and had some 80’s-riffic logos!
    I had the pleasure of rooting for the Purple clad Philadelphia Fever!
    The MISL then folded, teams were absorbed by the CISL or the NPSL. And through mergers and folding of more initialed leagues than boxing… the MISL is back.
    Original MISL Wiki Entry.

  • Big L | November 9, 2006 at 3:23 pm |

    Back to the red…

    I am fond of the “db”, I wish the hat looked something like this

    I think this is orange from my FAVORITE minor league logo Lake Elsinore Storm

  • Chad G | November 9, 2006 at 3:34 pm |

    Anyone good with photoshop…I tried playing with this Mets hat, I wanted to change the cap to royal blue, the white outline to orange and the orange drop shadow to black and leave the interlocking NY royal blue…It’s a different alternate I’m envisioning. I tried the replace color function out but i just kept getting a pixelated mess.

    let me know if you can help

  • AdamT | November 9, 2006 at 3:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”21252″]i love the diamondbacks new unis.
    maybe its because i hated the old ones so much, but i think this is such an amazing step in the right direction.
    i love it.
    (i like the nationals logo, too but not as much as the Expos logo, of course – THAT was a great twist on letters like the MB brewers thing and the new DB dbacks thing)[/quote]

    I agree – It’s a HUGE improvement over the old D-Back unis. Those were the worst in baseball, hands down.

  • Joe w | November 9, 2006 at 3:39 pm |

    D’backs Unis may be ugly… but on Full House today 1pm Eastern, ABC Family, Joey Gladstone sure was rocking a nice piece of Uni… a 1941-46 Detroit Tigers Road Jersey.

    nice duds

    Remember this episode?
    The Trouble with Danny

    (March 17, 1992)

    Danny’s annual Spring Cleaning binge finally pushes the family over the line when his “special helper” Michelle starts acting just as bossy and obnoxious as her father. All of it comes to a head when she interrupts a secret family meeting in D.J.’s room, adding to their long list of complaints about their resident “Psycho-with-a-dustmop” (Acc. to Joey). Little do they know, Danny was working in the closet and heard everything, leading him to exile himself to the woods and re-examine his priorities.

  • anthony | November 9, 2006 at 3:42 pm |

    Yuck, just terrible…

    I am a graduate of the School of Visual Arts (in NYC) and have been a creative director for almost twenty years.

    I really could never understand why an expansion team spends millions on trying to figure out what to call itself (in this case, the Diamondbacks) and after a couple of years, gets bored, and shortens the name. If they didn’t like spelling out DIAMONDBACKS every time they need to print it they never should have named it that.

    And historically speaking, Tampa Bay has done it too. (I don’t count the Mets because they have always been the Mets) but, I don’t see the Pirates with uniforms that have “Bucs” on them…

    I could just see the marketing guy in Arizona saying, “Now that we have been using a shortened name for awhile, lets make the logo on the uniforms match…”

    This is just another terrible example of marketing without really thinking things through.

    And as for the “a” getting chopped in half – that’s just bad design. It’s funny, but the most memorable logos are the ones that weren’t really designed professionally or with focus groups in mind (Yankees, Cardinals, Cubs, Tigers to name a few…)

    Just my 2¢…

  • Matthew S. | November 9, 2006 at 3:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”21381″][quote comment=”21339″][quote comment=”21338″][quote comment=”21329″]Can’t believe no one has mentioned the MISL orange ball yet.[/quote]

    What is this “MISL” that you speak of?[/quote]

    I do believe it was the successor to the CISL (Continental Indoor Soccer League) which folded in the late 90s. There was a player on the Dallas Sidekicks named Tatu who used to take off his jersey and throw it into the stands every time he scored and would sometimes grab the orange ball that the CISL used to do the same thing so that fans would have as many souvenirs of his moment as possible. He scored a lot too so I can’t imagine how many jerseys he went through in a season.[/quote]
    The Original MISL predated the CISL, and had some 80’s-riffic logos!
    I had the pleasure of rooting for the Purple clad Philadelphia Fever!
    The MISL then folded, teams were absorbed by the CISL or the NPSL. And through mergers and folding of more initialed leagues than boxing… the MISL is back.
    Original MISL Wiki Entry.[/quote]

    So the CISL fed parasitically of the original MISL only to have the same done to them when the MISL came back into existence? Interesting.

    The Houston team in the CISL was the Hotshots and they wore red, yellow, and orange jerseys that reminded me of the tequila sunrise jerseys the Astros jerseys in the late 70s and early 80s.

    Someone asked earlier what’s wrong with red. Well the answer is that there is nothing intrinsically wrong with the color. It has been used very well in the past:

    http://www.redsoxcon...

    http://reds.enquirer...

    http://www.fansedge....

    http://www.nhlticket...

    http://imagecache2.a...

    The point is that it is becoming OVERused. The Astros took on ‘brick red’ as a color when they moved to Enron Field/Minute Maid Park in 2000 because it matched the red brickwork of the old Union Station train station which the stadium was built around. Now the Diamondbacks (I refuse to call them the ‘D-backs’, regardless of what the uniform says) switched to ‘sedona red’ because it matches part of the Arizona landscape. These are basically legit reasons to use the color (barely so in the Astros case). But when so many sports teams out there already use it and even adopt it as an alternate jersey (Braves, Red Sox, Reds), it starts to get old.

  • Banker Bill | November 9, 2006 at 3:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”21381″][quote comment=”21339″][quote comment=”21338″][quote comment=”21329″]Can’t believe no one has mentioned the MISL orange ball yet.[/quote]

    What is this “MISL” that you speak of?[/quote]

    I do believe it was the successor to the CISL (Continental Indoor Soccer League) which folded in the late 90s. There was a player on the Dallas Sidekicks named Tatu who used to take off his jersey and throw it into the stands every time he scored and would sometimes grab the orange ball that the CISL used to do the same thing so that fans would have as many souvenirs of his moment as possible. He scored a lot too so I can’t imagine how many jerseys he went through in a season.[/quote]
    The Original MISL predated the CISL, and had some 80’s-riffic logos!
    I had the pleasure of rooting for the Purple clad Philadelphia Fever!
    The MISL then folded, teams were absorbed by the CISL or the NPSL. And through mergers and folding of more initialed leagues than boxing… the MISL is back.
    Original MISL Wiki Entry.[/quote]

    I remember watching the NY Arrows on channel 11 here in NY – but why oh why did the Wichita Wings use Wonder Woman’s belt buckle for a logo?

  • Big L | November 9, 2006 at 4:12 pm |

    Blue is also very overused too!
    Remember when the Rangers wore this and now they wear this

    When the Rangers moved to “The Ballpark”, their unis changed to red (wish I could find some pics). Then, they got A-Rod and switched to blue!

    Anyone ever seen the Phils wear blue tops with a red hat? I believe the Rangers did too for a while.

    Something like this would look nice for the Diamondbacks (sans Carlos Zambrano)

  • Big L | November 9, 2006 at 4:14 pm |

    Sorry for the bad linking… amateur over here!

  • Kenny | November 9, 2006 at 4:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”21384″]Anyone good with photoshop…I tried playing with this Mets hat, I wanted to change the cap to royal blue, the white outline to orange and the orange drop shadow to black and leave the interlocking NY royal blue…It’s a different alternate I’m envisioning. I tried the replace color function out but i just kept getting a pixelated mess.

    let me know if you can help[/quote]

    I do believe there is a tool where you could mask the picture and knock out some of the pixels that way, I just can’t remember what the name of the tool was.

    [quote comment=”21391″][quote comment=”21381″][quote comment=”21339″][quote comment=”21338″][quote comment=”21329″]Can’t believe no one has mentioned the MISL orange ball yet.[/quote]

    But when so many sports teams out there already use it and even adopt it as an alternate jersey (Braves, Red Sox, Reds), it starts to get old.[/quote]

    You have to give the Red Sox and the Reds a pass on the red alternate, I mean the color is in or is their freakin’ name!!

  • Phil Pereira | November 9, 2006 at 4:15 pm |

    getting back to the soccer ball in logos, my favorite team, FC POrto (which happens to be one of Europe’s top clubs) uses an early 1900’s soccer ball as part of their emblem logo The 60’s/70’s type ball is really a good generic version of the ball. Nowadays balls are designed for brand recognition (adidas and nike especially).

    Oh, I almost forgot, the Portuguese Superleague uses the pentagonal ball design logo 2, I would consider them a high level league (not an England or Spain, but a tier below), considering the top 4 finish at the World Cup, along with teams finishing at the top of UEFA tournaments the past few years.

  • Matthew S. | November 9, 2006 at 4:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”21401″][quote comment=”21384″]Anyone good with photoshop…I tried playing with this Mets hat, I wanted to change the cap to royal blue, the white outline to orange and the orange drop shadow to black and leave the interlocking NY royal blue…It’s a different alternate I’m envisioning. I tried the replace color function out but i just kept getting a pixelated mess.

    let me know if you can help[/quote]

    I do believe there is a tool where you could mask the picture and knock out some of the pixels that way, I just can’t remember what the name of the tool was.

    [quote comment=”21391″][quote comment=”21381″][quote comment=”21339″][quote comment=”21338″][quote comment=”21329″]Can’t believe no one has mentioned the MISL orange ball yet.[/quote]

    But when so many sports teams out there already use it and even adopt it as an alternate jersey (Braves, Red Sox, Reds), it starts to get old.[/quote]

    You have to give the Red Sox and the Reds a pass on the red alternate, I mean the color is in or is their freakin’ name!![/quote]

    I do give them a pass. I happen to like the Reds alternate uniforms and the Red Sox alternates aren’t bad either, but you can have too much of a good thing is all I’m saying.

  • Eric Dearden | November 9, 2006 at 4:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”21384″]Anyone good with photoshop…I tried playing with this Mets hat, I wanted to change the cap to royal blue, the white outline to orange and the orange drop shadow to black and leave the interlocking NY royal blue…It’s a different alternate I’m envisioning. I tried the replace color function out but i just kept getting a pixelated mess.

    let me know if you can help[/quote]

    two things:
    (1) Ditch The Black.
    (2) Make the interlocking NY white, while keeping the outline orange (which is almost the invert to what the mets had before they went midnight on us) and you MIGHT have something…..

  • brett | November 9, 2006 at 4:23 pm |

    i dont know if anyone else has noticed, but it looks like the player here is wearing the straps that hold his pants down around the shoes.

  • Kenny | November 9, 2006 at 4:23 pm |

    Yeah I see what you’re saying Matthew S. Just hopin’ you would give those 2 a pass and you did.

    Baseball does have a lot of repeating color tho. The ones that go unappreciated that I would like to see more of is green, orange, yellow, and brown.

  • Miguel | November 9, 2006 at 4:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”21352″]BTW the present ball being used in the premiership in England is yellow and blue and looks woeful on tv it looks more purple than blue.[/quote]

    The ball used in the Premiership is ‘Hi-Viz Yellow’ and ‘Floodlight Purple’.

    I think this is the same one, but once again – I’m colorblind, so I’m not sure if that’s purple or blue. Looks the same to me.

  • Chad G | November 9, 2006 at 4:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”21405″][quote comment=”21384″]Anyone good with photoshop…I tried playing with this Mets hat, I wanted to change the cap to royal blue, the white outline to orange and the orange drop shadow to black and leave the interlocking NY royal blue…It’s a different alternate I’m envisioning. I tried the replace color function out but i just kept getting a pixelated mess.

    let me know if you can help[/quote]

    two things:
    (1) Ditch The Black.
    (2) Make the interlocking NY white, while keeping the outline orange (which is almost the invert to what the mets had before they went midnight on us) and you MIGHT have something…..[/quote]

    I wanted to see what I was talking about because it would mimick whats on the jerseys (blue lettering, orange outline, black drop shadow) but would still keep a blue hat. I hate the black hats and jerseys, but I don’t mind the drop shadow, kinda makes the letters and numbers pop.

    I also couldn’t go for a white interlocking NY…too Yankees

  • Big L | November 9, 2006 at 4:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”21407″]Yeah I see what you’re saying Matthew S. Just hopin’ you would give those 2 a pass and you did.

    Baseball does have a lot of repeating color tho. The ones that go unappreciated that I would like to see more of is green, orange, yellow, and brown.[/quote]

    green?
    orange?
    yellow?
    brown?

  • t | November 9, 2006 at 4:38 pm |

    FC Barcelona uses a really old soccer ball in their famous crest

  • JJD | November 9, 2006 at 4:41 pm |

    Maybe I’m the last person to see this, but if they didn’t play at 2 am every Saturday I doubt Hawaii would get away with this.

  • Robert | November 9, 2006 at 4:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”21371″]This is not uni-related…but over the past couple years it has really bothered me that the 2 leagues don’t have the same number of teams…My solution: move the Diamondbacks and their new unis to the AL west and put the Astros in the NL west. This way you get an even number of teams in each league and division, and they’re still aligned geographically and they diamondbacks don’t have that much history with the NL…even though they won a world series…thoughts?[/quote]

    I agree wholeheartedly. It has griped me for years that the already-disadvantaged Reds have had to play in the only six-team division.

    Since the blight known as interleague play is now entrenched, it wouldn’t be a big deal to have one interleague series going on at all times.

  • Chad G | November 9, 2006 at 4:46 pm |

    I’d love to see a crimson clad team in baseball. There are all these teams that use pretty much the same blood red (astros, cubs, braves, red sox, reds, cardinals, nationals, dodgers, yankees in their logo, old expos, old blue Jays, angels, twins, and now the diamondbacks…am I missing any?) but no crimson. I especially like just the crimson and white paired together, no other colors. Its pretty popular in the NCAA (Indiana, oklahoma, alabama, arkansas, texas A&M…etc) p.s. I went to none of those schools. Nittany Lion blue and white through and through.

  • Dave S | November 9, 2006 at 4:46 pm |

    i think the font on the DBacks jerseys looks badass.

  • Adam | November 9, 2006 at 4:48 pm |

    How come they just don’t go for a far eastern appeal and but Diamond going down one side of the jersey and Backs down the other.

    D:
    I:B
    A:A
    M:C
    O:K
    N:S
    D:

  • ACC (the Brain) | November 9, 2006 at 4:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”21416″]I’d love to see a crimson clad team in baseball. There are all these teams that use pretty much the same blood red (astros, cubs, braves, red sox, reds, cardinals, nationals, dodgers, yankees in their logo, old expos, old blue Jays, angels, twins, and now the diamondbacks…am I missing any?) but no crimson. I especially like just the crimson and white paired together, no other colors. Its pretty popular in the NCAA (Indiana, oklahoma, alabama, arkansas, texas A&M…etc) p.s. I went to none of those schools. Nittany Lion blue and white through and through.[/quote]

    Crimson & silver > crimson & white = bland

  • Matthew S. | November 9, 2006 at 4:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”21407″]Yeah I see what you’re saying Matthew S. Just hopin’ you would give those 2 a pass and you did.

    Baseball does have a lot of repeating color tho. The ones that go unappreciated that I would like to see more of is green, orange, yellow, and brown.[/quote]

    I think that also would be great, but to a point. I mean can you really imagine anyone but the Padres as gold (or is it mustard?) and brown? Or anyone other than the A’s as green and gold (or anyone other than the Packers if you’re a football fan)? Those color combinations have gotten to the point where they are inextricably associated with those two respective teams’ histories and I would hate to see the greatness of those color schemes diluted because another team wanted jump on the bandwagon.

    One trend I wouldn’t mind other teams jumping on though is the use of a retro jersey or uniform (or sweater for you hockey pedantics out there) for an alternate uniform.

    The Brewers did this on Sundays in 2006: http://mlb.mlb.com/i...

    And the Sabres are doing this now in hockey for the 2006-2007 season: http://img230.images...

    I would love the Astros, for example, to ditch their WAY overused red jerseys and use these as an alternate uniform instead:
    http://www.baseballh...

  • Chad G | November 9, 2006 at 4:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”21431″][quote comment=”21416″]I’d love to see a crimson clad team in baseball. There are all these teams that use pretty much the same blood red (astros, cubs, braves, red sox, reds, cardinals, nationals, dodgers, yankees in their logo, old expos, old blue Jays, angels, twins, and now the diamondbacks…am I missing any?) but no crimson. I especially like just the crimson and white paired together, no other colors. Its pretty popular in the NCAA (Indiana, oklahoma, alabama, arkansas, texas A&M…etc) p.s. I went to none of those schools. Nittany Lion blue and white through and through.[/quote]

    Crimson & silver > crimson & white = bland[/quote]

    Washington State grad?

  • Tim | November 9, 2006 at 5:01 pm |

    The D-backs jerseys look sweet..so what if there’s a little overlap or something..its not that big of a deal. But about the color scheme theres one thing i must say:

    The Astros jerseys are and will forever be better than the D-backs.

    Thank you.

  • Kenny | November 9, 2006 at 5:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”21411″][quote comment=”21407″]Yeah I see what you’re saying Matthew S. Just hopin’ you would give those 2 a pass and you did.

    Baseball does have a lot of repeating color tho. The ones that go unappreciated that I would like to see more of is green, orange, yellow, and brown.[/quote]

    green?
    orange?
    yellow?
    brown?[/quote]

    I didn’t say they weren’t used, I said they were under appreciated or unappreciated. I didn’t throw those colors out there to be used together. I just thought they were being used enough in baseball. I mean everyone is talking about how red and blue are used too much, how about some realistic color combos? I mean gimme a deep red/maroon paired up with yellow or why not brown and white together (without the gold/mustard)? Or how about a dark green paired with a silver?

    There just aren’t a lot of colors these types of colors used in baseball.

  • ACC (the Brain) | November 9, 2006 at 5:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”21417″]i think the font on the DBacks jerseys looks badass.[/quote]

    I agree big time – it’s sloppy with the alignment as was discussed earlier but the typeface is so unique on a pro uniform I predict it will be wildly popular.

  • bg | November 9, 2006 at 5:05 pm |

    I live in the East Bay. Getting to Candlestick is horrible. Santa Clara (where the HQ is) is near SAn Jose, and that’s just about as bad a trip. Who cares as long as they get a new stadium. The name of the team wouldn’t change with a Santa Clara move, either. That’;s already been stated.

  • GoTerriers | November 9, 2006 at 5:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”21393″]

    I remember watching the NY Arrows on channel 11 here in NY – but why oh why did the Wichita Wings use Wonder Woman’s belt buckle for a logo?[/quote]

    I remember the Arrows playing at the Nassau Coliseum . . .Steve Zungul, Branko Segota, and the incomparable Shep Messing were my heroes!

  • ACC (the Brain) | November 9, 2006 at 5:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”21458″][quote comment=”21411″][quote comment=”21407″]Yeah I see what you’re saying Matthew S. Just hopin’ you would give those 2 a pass and you did.

    Baseball does have a lot of repeating color tho. The ones that go unappreciated that I would like to see more of is green, orange, yellow, and brown.[/quote]

    green?
    orange?
    yellow?
    brown?[/quote]

    I didn’t say they weren’t used, I said they were under appreciated or unappreciated. I didn’t throw those colors out there to be used together. I just thought they were being used enough in baseball. I mean everyone is talking about how red and blue are used too much, how about some realistic color combos? I mean gimme a deep red/maroon paired up with yellow or why not brown and white together (without the gold/mustard)? Or how about a dark green paired with a silver?

    There just aren’t a lot of colors these types of colors used in baseball.[/quote]

    Yes and I believe baseball has the fewest unique color schemes of the 4 major sports.

    Too much navy. Way too much navy.

  • ACC (the Brain) | November 9, 2006 at 5:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”21437″][quote comment=”21431″][quote comment=”21416″]I’d love to see a crimson clad team in baseball. There are all these teams that use pretty much the same blood red (astros, cubs, braves, red sox, reds, cardinals, nationals, dodgers, yankees in their logo, old expos, old blue Jays, angels, twins, and now the diamondbacks…am I missing any?) but no crimson. I especially like just the crimson and white paired together, no other colors. Its pretty popular in the NCAA (Indiana, oklahoma, alabama, arkansas, texas A&M…etc) p.s. I went to none of those schools. Nittany Lion blue and white through and through.[/quote]

    Crimson & silver > crimson & white = bland[/quote]

    Washington State grad?[/quote]

    No sir. But I know what you mean.

    I first noticed it on U of Montana.

    Those other crimson teams look nice but they could use a splash of silver, old gold, beige, or a light blue.

  • Big L | November 9, 2006 at 5:19 pm |
  • Chad G | November 9, 2006 at 5:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”21466″][quote comment=”21437″][quote comment=”21431″][quote comment=”21416″]I’d love to see a crimson clad team in baseball. There are all these teams that use pretty much the same blood red (astros, cubs, braves, red sox, reds, cardinals, nationals, dodgers, yankees in their logo, old expos, old blue Jays, angels, twins, and now the diamondbacks…am I missing any?) but no crimson. I especially like just the crimson and white paired together, no other colors. Its pretty popular in the NCAA (Indiana, oklahoma, alabama, arkansas, texas A&M…etc) p.s. I went to none of those schools. Nittany Lion blue and white through and through.[/quote]

    Crimson & silver > crimson & white = bland[/quote]

    Washington State grad?[/quote]

    No sir. But I know what you mean.

    I first noticed it on U of Montana.

    Those other crimson teams look nice but they could use a splash of silver, old gold, beige, or a light blue.[/quote]

    You’re definitley entitled to your opinion, but I am a big fan of the sigle color and white, it just always looks good to me (except of course, purple and white)

  • Teebz | November 9, 2006 at 5:22 pm |

    quote comment=”21435″]

    And the Sabres are doing this now in hockey for the 2006-2007 season: http://img230.images...

    [/quote]

    They are not using the white jerseys. They are only using the dark jerseys as alternates. Drury is wearing the alternate jersey here.

  • Teebz | November 9, 2006 at 5:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”21469″][quote comment=”21435″]

    And the Sabres are doing this now in hockey for the 2006-2007 season: http://img230.images...

    [/quote]

    They are not using the white jerseys. They are only using the dark jerseys as alternates. Drury is wearing the alternate jersey here.[/quote]

    Lemme fix that there quote.

  • Matthew S. | November 9, 2006 at 5:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”21471″][quote comment=”21469″][quote comment=”21435″]

    And the Sabres are doing this now in hockey for the 2006-2007 season: http://img230.images...

    [/quote]

    They are not using the white jerseys. They are only using the dark jerseys as alternates. Drury is wearing the alternate jersey here.[/quote]

    Lemme fix that there quote.[/quote]

    Didn’t know that, thanks for the correction. The larger point though is that some teams would be better off using glorious uniforms from their respective pasts and I think the Sabres are a great example of that.

  • concealed78 | November 9, 2006 at 5:32 pm |

    I’ll probably get spat on for saying this, but I always preferred the pullover jersey to the button up, for same placket problems, and it renders for a nice V-neck collar trim. Plus ballplayers tend to get lazy and forget to button up.

  • Chuck Ryals | November 9, 2006 at 5:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”21197″]Is it just me or are the new Diamondback uniforms crappy ripoffs of the Nationals crappy uniforms? It seems like we are one step closer to having a template for MLB uniforms like we have for NCAA football.[/quote]

    my thoughts exactly Adam. What is so hard about designing good looking unis? Paul; we need a full scale investigation!

  • Matthew S. | November 9, 2006 at 5:46 pm |

    Just noticed this pretty cool story on espn.com about painting Notre Dame’s golden domes every week.

    http://sports.espn.g...

  • Matthew S. | November 9, 2006 at 5:47 pm |

    It’s under the ‘How to’ link.

  • Kerry | November 9, 2006 at 5:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”21467″]Anybody notice the diamond in “DBacks” on the jersey?[/quote]
    Yes.

  • Lake | November 9, 2006 at 5:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”21476″]I’ll probably get spat on for saying this, but I always preferred the pullover jersey to the button up, for same placket problems, and it renders for a nice V-neck collar trim. Plus ballplayers tend to get lazy and forget to button up.[/quote]
    I totally agree. Even a two- or three-button jersey would look better than the full button-down. Buttons on a jersey are impractical, especially with all the diving they do.

  • BtotheE | November 9, 2006 at 5:53 pm |

    Speaking of the “bax” uni’s looking like the astos’ uni,’s does anyone get tricked for a split second everytime the “Nats” are on TV mistaking them for the Mets?

  • Bowen | November 9, 2006 at 5:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”21371″]This is not uni-related…but over the past couple years it has really bothered me that the 2 leagues don’t have the same number of teams…My solution: move the Diamondbacks and their new unis to the AL west and put the Astros in the NL west. This way you get an even number of teams in each league and division, and they’re still aligned geographically and they diamondbacks don’t have that much history with the NL…even though they won a world series…thoughts?[/quote]

    It won’t work, baseball is played in series. So unless Interleague becomes year-long, then teams would have 3 and 4 days off at a time. There’s just too many games to play for that.

  • specs | November 9, 2006 at 6:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”21349″]on another note, why do nba teams who are playing a home team that wants to wear their color uni’s have to wear white? yet, the lakers wear yellow at home and the opposition can wear their color jersey. What gives?[/quote]

    I don’t see this as being a problem. Yellow is light enough that it doesn’t clash with black, blue, or other dark colors. Michigan, Iowa, and a number of other college basketball teams wear yellow at home too. I think this is also why you don’t see many yellow home football jerseys. Someone mentioned this a few days ago, and I agree that when Georgia Tech wears gold at home in football, it can get confusing, especially if they’re playing someone with white jerseys and gold pants.

    [quote comment=”21381″][quote comment=”21339″][quote comment=”21338″][quote comment=”21329″]Can’t believe no one has mentioned the MISL orange ball yet.[/quote]

    What is this “MISL” that you speak of?[/quote]

    I do believe it was the successor to the CISL (Continental Indoor Soccer League) which folded in the late 90s. There was a player on the Dallas Sidekicks named Tatu who used to take off his jersey and throw it into the stands every time he scored and would sometimes grab the orange ball that the CISL used to do the same thing so that fans would have as many souvenirs of his moment as possible. He scored a lot too so I can’t imagine how many jerseys he went through in a season.[/quote]
    The Original MISL predated the CISL, and had some 80’s-riffic logos!
    I had the pleasure of rooting for the Purple clad Philadelphia Fever!
    The MISL then folded, teams were absorbed by the CISL or the NPSL. And through mergers and folding of more initialed leagues than boxing… the MISL is back.
    Original MISL Wiki Entry.[/quote]

    Interesting that the Stallions had two stallions in their logo. Are there any other teams that feature a “double” in their logo like that?

    Also, I think the Diamondbacks jerseys would be a lot better if they made that brick red their secondary color (the way black is now), and made a forest green their primary color, keeping gold for the accents.

  • Micah | November 9, 2006 at 6:09 pm |

    Haha, Maria showing more camel toe. I’m definitely not looking at the purple in those pics! I remember in one of the earliest articles, Paul brought this up in a link. On the other hand, that new snake logo of the DB’s is pretty sweet, although I agree with everyone here that it looks almost identical to the Nationals.

  • Bowen | November 9, 2006 at 6:17 pm |

    Yeah I see what you’re saying Matthew S. Just hopin’ you would give those 2 a pass and you did.

    Baseball does have a lot of repeating color tho. The ones that go unappreciated that I would like to see more of is green, orange, yellow, and brown.[/quote]

    green?
    orange?
    yellow?
    brown?[/quote]

    I didn’t say they weren’t used, I said they were under appreciated or unappreciated. I didn’t throw those colors out there to be used together. I just thought they were being used enough in baseball. I mean everyone is talking about how red and blue are used too much, how about some realistic color combos? I mean gimme a deep red/maroon paired up with yellow or why not brown and white together (without the gold/mustard)? Or how about a dark green paired with a silver?

    There just aren’t a lot of colors these types of colors used in baseball.[/quote]

    Yes and I believe baseball has the fewest unique color schemes of the 4 major sports.

    Too much navy. Way too much navy.[/quote]

    Good call on the overuse of navy. I want to see a carolina blue team, maybe a brown team, definitely an orange team. For the knit-picky, I’m talking about these colors as primary colors. Baseball could spice it up a little. And what is with the red teams having black or navy hats on the road a lot? There are 12 MLB teams that are some form of blue and red. That really is way too many.

  • Teebz | November 9, 2006 at 6:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”21474″]
    Didn’t know that, thanks for the correction. The larger point though is that some teams would be better off using glorious uniforms from their respective pasts and I think the Sabres are a great example of that.[/quote]

    I agree with that 100%. I just was saying that the white jerseys are not in use. Yet.

  • concealed78 | November 9, 2006 at 6:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”21407″]Baseball does have a lot of repeating color tho. The ones that go unappreciated that I would like to see more of is green, orange, yellow, and brown.[/quote]

    Good call! There are way too many black and navy teams in baseball. It started in the late 1980s when teams starting going dark. I wish baseball would get back to using bright colors and end these dark ages. The gold crowned Pirates hats of the early 1970s are one of my favorite hats. Definitely would like to see a brown or orange or kelly green team.

  • JJD | November 9, 2006 at 6:58 pm |

    I’ll say it again: WTF?

  • Shane | November 9, 2006 at 7:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”21220″]but, you just have to LOVE the shoes!![/quote]

    Oh my. This is why you don’t wear high socks with Chuck Taylors.

  • Brian from Short Island | November 9, 2006 at 7:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”21352″]On the changing of soccer club crests, in the last say 15 years i can think of Leeds United, Manchester City, Spurs, Arsenal, Sunderland, and Chelsea who have new crests/badges.

    Manchester United removed the word “football club” from theirs to turn Manchester United into a brand. In fact branding was probably a key issue in most of the redesigns, Arsenal said it was explicitly because they could not prosecute the sellers of unlicenced goods outside their ground as they had no right to their own crest as it had been in use so long without being copyrighted.

    arsenal court case

    On the point about the use of the pentagon ball, i think that is simply an iconic mark now and no-one is worried about whether the current ball looks identical, its an architypal football. BTW the present ball being used in the premiership in England is yellow and blue and looks woeful on tv it looks more purple than blue.[/quote]
    That’s last year’s ball, this year’s is here…

    new ball. It’s the high-vis ball used only in the winter (in both Spain and England, where Nike balls are used). I think it’s alright.

  • Andy from KC | November 9, 2006 at 7:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”21496″][quote comment=”21407″]Baseball does have a lot of repeating color tho. The ones that go unappreciated that I would like to see more of is green, orange, yellow, and brown.[/quote]

    Good call! There are way too many black and navy teams in baseball. It started in the late 1980s when teams starting going dark.

    I wish baseball would get back to using bright colors and end these dark ages. The gold crowned Pirates hats of the early 1970s are one of my favorite hats. Definitely would like to see a brown or orange or kelly green team.[/quote]

    I like the Orioles’ use of orange–I think this is awesome, and I like this too. Orange can be beautiful, or it can be a disaster, and sometimes it’s a crime against humanity. But it’s unique, and I don’t think teams should be afraid to use it as a primary color.

    I also wish the Padres would go back to brown. Maybe not necessarily this, but I liked this. But more than that, I’d just like to see them stick with SOMETHING.

    Oh, and I LOVE the Pirates’ black and gold. Even at its most outrageous, I still think it looked sharp. If the Pirates would go back to jerseys with sleeves, I think they’d be perfect. (Nothing to do with the Nike-pox shirts, I just think sleeveless jerseys, as a rule, suck.)

    Dear Lord, please let all the links in this post work and I promise I’ll start going to church again. Amen.

  • Florian | November 9, 2006 at 7:35 pm |

    “On the changing of soccer club crests, in the last say 15 years i can think of Leeds United, Manchester City, Spurs, Arsenal, Sunderland, and Chelsea who have new crests/badges.”

    Wasn’t it that Chelsea in fact reverted to their old crest?

  • Teebz | November 9, 2006 at 7:41 pm |

    No Minna yet? Hmmm… perhaps my jersey post will go unnoticed.

  • Thorold Blair | November 9, 2006 at 7:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”21349″]anyone else notice that these uni’s look an awful lot like the nationals, trading blue for black. The format is basically the same.

    on another note, why do nba teams who are playing a home team that wants to wear their color uni’s have to wear white? yet, the lakers wear yellow at home and the opposition can wear their color jersey. What gives?[/quote]

    It doesn’t have to be white by the letter of the law.. just has to be light coloured, or so is the case in most rule books.

  • Ethan | November 9, 2006 at 8:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”21164″]Although I think the D-Backs unis are a HUGE improvement, my problem is that they employ nearly the same color scheme as the Astros unis. I guess we just need to wait a few years for the Astros to completely overhaul their color scheme again and everything will be fine.[/quote]

    how can you say these uniforms are an improvement. they are disgusting. For one, their alternate red uniform is like a horror film. It looks like someone got stabbed in it, and the lettering is perfect, it is exactly what would be used in a horror film. Now the old uniforms weren’t great, but at least they were better. Now true purple isn’t a great color, but at least if they were put in a dark room they wouldn’t glow. Arizona doesn’t need stadium lights anymore, they have their uniforms.

  • Warren Thompson | November 9, 2006 at 8:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”21496″][quote comment=”21407″]Baseball does have a lot of repeating color tho. The ones that go unappreciated that I would like to see more of is green, orange, yellow, and brown.[/quote]

    Good call! There are way too many black and navy teams in baseball. It started in the late 1980s when teams starting going dark.

    I wish baseball would get back to using bright colors and end these dark ages. The gold crowned Pirates hats of the early 1970s are one of my favorite hats. Definitely would like to see a brown or orange or kelly green team.[/quote]

    Brown? OK, then let’s bring back the brown (and orange) of the St. Louis Browns ….

  • Kevin from Ohio in Virginia | November 9, 2006 at 8:58 pm |

    Did anyone else happen to notice that the button line doesn’t even come CLOSE to going down the center of the dude’s chest?

    Please don’t shoot if this has been mentioned. I didn’t read all the comments.

  • Eric G. | November 9, 2006 at 9:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”21539″]
    how can you say these uniforms are an improvement. they are disgusting. For one, their alternate red uniform is like a horror film. It looks like someone got stabbed in it, and the lettering is perfect, it is exactly what would be used in a horror film. Now the old uniforms weren’t great, but at least they were better. Now true purple isn’t a great color, but at least if they were put in a dark room they wouldn’t glow. Arizona doesn’t need stadium lights anymore, they have their uniforms.[/quote]

    What are you talking about? Sure, they may not be great [they’re half-decent, at best], but they’re better than purple, teal and black. If you didn’t notice, teal is on the way out in sports. The Marlins are phasing teal out, the Jaguars have all but gotten rid of it, and it’s basically a trim color for the Hornets. The Astros colors may have not been the right choice, but it looks a good lot better than what they had.

  • Warren Thompson | November 9, 2006 at 9:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”21496″][quote comment=”21407″]
    Definitely would like to see a … kelly green team.[/quote]

    As I recall, the Athletics in Kansas City, and maybe for a while after they defected to Oakland, wore kelly green before embracing a darker, perhaps uglier, verdant shade ….[/quote]

  • Matt Bonnett | November 9, 2006 at 9:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”21517″]”On the changing of soccer club crests, in the last say 15 years i can think of Leeds United, Manchester City, Spurs, Arsenal, Sunderland, and Chelsea who have new crests/badges.”

    Wasn’t it that Chelsea in fact reverted to their old crest?[/quote]

    A close variant of their old one yes, the previous one had been used on their shirts for a long time so it counts as a change from my point of view :) But yes thats the way it goes right, either a brand new badge (Arsenal) or a reversion to a previous incarnation (Chelsea).

    Chelsea crest wiki here note the change originally was due to copyright reasons.

    On the ball as pointed out in #191 there is a newer version which looks similar but slightly different to the one I posted. personally I still dont like the colours and prefer the white ball with an orange version used if and only if there is a snowstorm or snow lying on the turf.

  • Matt Bonnett | November 9, 2006 at 9:09 pm |

    Grrrr what happened there ?!

  • Ethan | November 9, 2006 at 9:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”21544″]

    What are you talking about? Sure, they may not be great [they’re half-decent, at best], but they’re better than purple, teal and black. If you didn’t notice, teal is on the way out in sports. The Marlins are phasing teal out, the Jaguars have all but gotten rid of it, and it’s basically a trim color for the Hornets. The Astros colors may have not been the right choice, but it looks a good lot better than what they had.[/quote]

    Maybe teal and purple aren’t great colors, but that doesn’t give an excuse to fill a uniform with red. Solid color uniforms are atrocious. At least the old uni’s had pinstripes on them, the best uniform design out there. Baseball teams should just realize that bright colors don’t work. They should just be plain gray or white, or pinstripes and have the logo or team name. The old uni’s had pinstripes, this has nothing good, the old uni’s were clearly better.

  • Minna H | November 9, 2006 at 9:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”21520″]No Minna yet? Hmmm… perhaps my jersey post will go unnoticed.[/quote]

    Teebz, oddly enough, I don’t have much to say today, and I’ve been busy. Besides, I am patiently a-waiting your incisive report. I do have one thing to say, and it’s coming up in the next post.

  • John in Athens | November 9, 2006 at 9:29 pm |

    Pardon if this has already been posted:

    “You’re just not going to get everybody to wear purple for whatever reason.”
    D-backs team president Derrick Hall at the unveiling of the new unis.

    Amen!

  • Minna H | November 9, 2006 at 9:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”21205″]I think purple doesn’t belong on a men’s jersey, but I have no problem with women wearing the color. Same with pink. They’re girly colors. Let the girlies wear them.[/quote]

    For the last time, people, pink and purple are not ‘girly’ colors. I cannot stress this strongly enough. Pastels look good on blonds of either gender, preferably young ones. Pink shouldn’t be a ‘girl’ color any more than blue shoulde be a ‘boy’ color. I, for one, would rather eat a plateful of shards of broken glass than wear the color pink.

    However, I think the older Vikings’ uniforms (purple) were more than acceptable.

    Oh, and I like the black Arizona alternates.

    Harumph.

    —M. Scrooge

  • Minna H | November 9, 2006 at 9:39 pm |

    Oh, I also like the solid reds of the Diamondbacks. I like brilliant colors. I da not like the misaligned letters.

    Hm. Teebz, I guess I had more than one thing to say.

    I await your report with bated breath.

  • Minna H | November 9, 2006 at 9:44 pm |

    I do not like the misalignment of the Diamondback jerseys.

    Sorry for the typo in the previous post, guys. My brain is scrambled today.

  • Teebz | November 9, 2006 at 10:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”21567″]Oh, I also like the solid reds of the Diamondbacks. I like brilliant colors. I da not like the misaligned letters.

    Hm. Teebz, I guess I had more than one thing to say.

    I await your report with bated breath.[/quote]

    Like Mr. Crachit’s work, I go unnoticed and unappreciated by Miss Scrooge. ;o)

    Check post #74. I tried to break up the Diamondbacks chatter.

  • Drew | November 9, 2006 at 10:10 pm |

    These look like a Houston retread.

    But the thing is that with that beautiful script, Houston is some road uni piping and a revert to the H-Star logo of the 70s and 80s instead of that weird cattle-brand thing away and classic block numerals away from being something really nice.

    Arizona still struggles with the logo identity crisis, using the A sometimes, the coiled-snake D, and hardly any use of what would look far better on a cap–the db sleeve logo.

    First of all, the coiled-snake D looks very minor-league. The DB sleeve logo is the strongest of the bunch, and the A looks like it should be a low-budget airline.

    Second, while the type is more authoritatively serpentine than the previous version which was a simple tweaking and serif-trimming of Friz Quadrata (shudder), D-Backs in print reminds me of what one of my former coworkers used to call people she didn’t like–“D-Bag”. I suppose if Bonds or Sheffield were wearing one, it’d fit a little better.

    Third, I’d hate the home unis a lot less if they had piping. Home whites look naked without piping or pinstriping and no number beneath the name.

    All in all, another uniform redo that would look better in the minors.

  • Minna H | November 9, 2006 at 10:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”21576″]

    Like Mr. Crachit’s work, I go unnoticed and unappreciated by Miss Scrooge. ;o)

    Check post #74. I tried to break up the Diamondbacks chatter.[/quote]

    Mr. Crachit, I do appreciate you. I checked a few times during the day, but I did not see your report. You are not post #74—inless you changed your name to maximumK.

  • Minna H | November 9, 2006 at 10:19 pm |

    Teebz, mon bon ami, I just checked again, and I do not see it. I will scroll through all 200+ posts, but see if you can spot it.

  • Teebz | November 9, 2006 at 10:20 pm |

    #74 by Teebz on 11.09.06 11:51 am | Quote This Comment

    But that’s what it says on my screen, Miss Scrooge. If you look one post above, though, it’s all there. :o)

  • Teebz | November 9, 2006 at 10:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”21579″]Teebz, mon bon ami, I just checked again, and I do not see it. I will scroll through all 200+ posts, but see if you can spot it.[/quote]

    I am one above MaximumK. It’s very lengthy

  • Minna H | November 9, 2006 at 10:30 pm |

    Teebz–this is very strange. You are not on my screen.

    #73 by Chris Mewett on 11.09.06 11:46 am
    #74 by maximumK on 11.09.06 11:53 am

    This is what my screen says. Anybody else out there that has Teebz at #74? Right now, I have Teebz’s last reply at #214.

  • Teebz | November 9, 2006 at 10:33 pm |

    Paul? Ek? Anyone?

    I can see me. Can anyone else?

  • Minna H | November 9, 2006 at 10:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”21585″]Paul? Ek? Anyone?

    I can see me. Can anyone else?[/quote]

    I can see you, too, now, but I cannot see your brilliant post. Damnit. I want to see it NOW!

    —M. Scrooge

    p.s. I’m guessing others can’t see it, either, otherwise someone would have commented.

  • Teebz | November 9, 2006 at 10:39 pm |

    Wait… this may explain why no one said anything all day about the post. Can I get any answers as to why my post disappeared to everyone except me?

  • Kenny | November 9, 2006 at 10:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”21585″]Paul? Ek? Anyone?

    I can see me. Can anyone else?[/quote]

    Sorry Teebz, not on my screen either

  • Teebz | November 9, 2006 at 10:41 pm |

    Minna, click here. We can discuss my post.

  • Minna H | November 9, 2006 at 10:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”21588″]Wait… this may explain why no one said anything all day about the post. Can I get any answers as to why my post disappeared to everyone except me?[/quote]

    Because you’re Canadian, eh. Worst comes to worst, and you can repost it. Hopefully Ek or Paul can fix it very soon.

  • Teebz | November 9, 2006 at 10:48 pm |

    Maybe there’s a length restriction as to the number of characters or links. It was a long post.

  • Matt B | November 9, 2006 at 11:24 pm |

    I saw Teebz’ post. Here it is without links:

    Ok, this will be a little break from the Diamondback chatter today. It appears the outrage towards the new look is only beginning. This is long-winded, so if you don’t want to read it, please scroll past it. However, I hope I’ve included enough good info and pictures to keep you interested.

    First, I’ll look at the little things that are similar between the NHL pro jersey licensed apparel designers. There are four major companies who made NHL pro jerseys. They were Nike/Bauer, Pro Player, Starter, and CCM/Reebok. You know what that means: different companies = different looks. I’ve also included Bauer in here, even though Nike bought them, because they made IHL and AHL pro jerseys.

    Fighting straps: They can be seen by the naked eye if you’re close enough. The Nike/Bauer, Pro Player, and Reebok/CCM jerseys can be identified by the stitching on the back. This is a Nike fighting strap. However, Starter did things a little differently. You can actually see the Starter fighting strap through the jersey due to the material and design of the jersey. This is what the CCM fighting strap looks like on the inside.

    Reinforced Elbows: All five companies have these, and all are basically the same. This is the elbow stitching on my Islanders’ Fisherman jersey. As you can see, the navy blue stitching follows the elbow much in the same way a tweed jacket has a leather patch on the elbow.

    Reinforced Double-Stitching: Again, all companies followed the same design. Some are more apparent than others, but the shoulder stitching looks like this. Again, very noticeable on the Islanders’ Fisherman jersey. Now, companies tend to use the same color thread as the shoulder colors for aesthetics.

    Hem Identification: Here’s where things get tricky. This is also where logo creep in hockey began. I’ll start with the old CCM Islanders’ Fisherman jersey. Here’s the hemline. Now, it is very easy to see the CCM in team colors. All NHL pro jerseys looked like this until 1996 (again, trying to verify this exact date). The reason they changed is because the NHL opened its doors to other licensed apparel companies who advanced jersey technology (and people think competition is bad).
    Pro Player introduced a different jersey material, somewhat similar to Air-Knit material. In doing so, they produced jerseys for teams like Anaheim, Pittsburgh, Phoenix, and Columbus. They were the first company to use the silver NHL logo for pro jerseys and the orange NHL logo for replicas. Here’s the Anaheim hemline.
    Starter was another major player to change the jersey design. They produced jerseys for teams like Carolina, Phoenix, Colorado and Pittsburgh. Here’s the Colorado hemline. The difference between pros and replicas was that Starter used their full name on the pros and and their logo, as seen on the tag here, for replicas.
    And, of course, Nike got in on the action too. Nike produced jerseys for Detroit, Anaheim, San Jose, and Chicago. This is the Anaheim hemline.
    And coming around full circle is Reebok/CCM. This is what they look like today.
    In the IHL/AHL, Bauer hemlines looked like this before Nike said they didn’t want the license.
    And finally, Nike IIHF jerseys have a hemline that look like this.

    Jersey Tag ID: This is straightforward. Old CCM pro jerseys had this tag. Pro Player jerseys had this tag. Note the jersey sizing. Starter jerseys had this tag. Note the jersey sizing on this one as 54-R. This indicated that it was a jersey made for players, not goalies. Nike jerseys had this tag. Note the jersey sizing on this one as 54G. This indicated that the jersey was a jersey made for goalies, not players. The sleeves of a goalie-cut jersey are much wider and much shorter than regular jerseys to accommodate the goalie’s blocker and catcher, as well as the additional padding they wear. This Nike jersey tag is the IIHF pro jersey. Finally, when CCM split its brands into CCM, Koho, and Jofa, they had separate tags. This is a CCM tag. And this is a Koho tag.

    Neck hemline logo creep: Starter and Pro Player never had their logos creep up to the neckline. However, Reebok/CCM and Nike did. As you can see in this picture, the Penguins are clearly wearing Reebok. This started with Nike and CCM. When CCM announced the changes to the jerseys once they were awarded the contract of all the NHL teams, they indicated their logo would be moving north to the neck. Here is the CCM logo on a Penguins jersey. Here is a Koho logo on an Oilers alternate jersey. Nike also followed suit, and now their distinctive swoosh can be seen on all IIHF jerseys below the neckline on the back of their jerseys. Bauer, on the other hand, had their distinctive marking on the front of the left collarbone.

    Finally, I leave you all with this: my greatest jersey!

  • Matt B | November 9, 2006 at 11:27 pm |
  • Minna H | November 9, 2006 at 11:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”21604″]nike fighting strap[/quote]

    thanks, Matt B. You rock!

  • Teebz | November 9, 2006 at 11:43 pm |

    Wow. Thanks, Matt! I guess I owe you a beer or two. :o)

  • C.N. | November 9, 2006 at 11:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”21415″][quote comment=”21371″]This is not uni-related…but over the past couple years it has really bothered me that the 2 leagues don’t have the same number of teams…My solution: move the Diamondbacks and their new unis to the AL west and put the Astros in the NL west. This way you get an even number of teams in each league and division, and they’re still aligned geographically and they diamondbacks don’t have that much history with the NL…even though they won a world series…thoughts?[/quote]

    I agree wholeheartedly. It has griped me for years that the already-disadvantaged Reds have had to play in the only six-team division.

    Since the blight known as interleague play is now entrenched, it wouldn’t be a big deal to have one interleague series going on at all times.[/quote]

    You’re right… except for the part about interleague play being a blight. Not so much. Are you just tired of hearing about the NL not being able to compete with the AL? Check which league just won the WS… and I’m an NL fan too, so I could see that perspective, and although I like Detroit and hate St. Louis, I wasn’t upset to see the high-and-mighty, all-powerful AL lose the WS…

  • Chad G | November 10, 2006 at 12:01 am |

    [quote comment=”21588″]Wait… this may explain why no one said anything all day about the post. Can I get any answers as to why my post disappeared to everyone except me?[/quote]

    Teebz, great post.

    I check at work intermittenly throughout the day and I didn’t see your post,(I read all the comments) however when I got home I checked and I saw it, post #74…very strange, very strange indeed.

  • Florian | November 10, 2006 at 3:36 am |

    “On the ball as pointed out in #191 there is a newer version which looks similar but slightly different to the one I posted.”

    It’s pretty interesting I think that in England all teams use the same ball, whereas in Germany every team uses the ball provided by a ball sponsor (usually the same company that designs the shirts). Since these balls exhibit different behavior when travelling through the air, it’s necessary for players and especially goalies to get used to the flying pattern of the respective balls the next opponent will be using. So in the final training sessions before an away game, usually the balls from the other teams ball suppliers are used. Which means, of course, that every team has an enormous amout of different ball stocked. Is there any other league that does that?

  • Luther Mahoney | November 10, 2006 at 11:39 am |

    A Diamond…sorry,D-Backs versus Nationals
    game will look like a intra squad match next
    year.

  • Broker75 | November 10, 2006 at 1:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”21313″]Yeah, the type is bad, but at least they aren’t purple! The font looks wanna-be metal. They should have stuck with a crest on the left. The colors are a major improvement, so give them a break on this one.

    P.S. Why the hell aren’t the Blue Jays blue anymore. Does that piss anybody else off?[/quote]
    Yes, this pisses me off too. I’ve actually wrote the Blue Jay organziation in Toronto, no reply’s though, I think that they just don’t care about the fans. They probably have the worst uni’s in MLB. Too bad, such a nice mascot, and they’re not even displaying it. They must need some artist’s up in Canada.

  • Nick | November 11, 2006 at 10:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”21274″][quote comment=”21262″][quote comment=”21235″]
    That split Z looks like what the Phillies do as mentioned above…
    When the jersey is unbuttoned it actually reads ARIZ | ZONA or
    PHIL | LLIES.

    IIRC, the phillies method of the three L’s is a callback to the 1950’s era Whiz Kids. I shall continue to look for photos.[/quote]

    Now I could be completely wrong since I don’t know whether my Phillies jersey is authentic or not. I have a good feeling it’s authentic, but whatever. On my phillies jersey it has a small strip of velcro that lines up the name. So unless you actually rip the velcro part from the patch it will stay lined up no matter how much you shake it running or whatever.

  • deb | November 14, 2006 at 4:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”21182″]oh, and almost forgot,
    is tony clark derek lee’s grandfather?[/quote]

    Oh, that’s so wrong! :p

    [quote comment=”21182″]
    “It think it’s great colors, a great combination,” Master P said. “This will be the uniforms that take them to the World Series.”[/quote]

    Or gets them a beat down by the Crips.
    [quote comment=”21182”]