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History Lesson

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A few weeks ago, reader Thomas Harding referred me to a photo on a web site I’d never encountered before. Frankly, I no longer recall which photo it was, because I began poking around the rest of the web site and became absolutely enthralled.

[Update, 3pm: Unfortunately, all the hits from Uni Watch Nation have maxed out the bandwidth of the web site under discussion today, which means most of the links in the rest of today’s main entry no longer work — sorry about that. Feel free to scroll down to the Uni Watch News Ticker, but definitely check back tomorrow to see the links you missed — Mark Bolding’s web site is spectactular.]

The site is Bolding Sports Research, the brainchild of one Mark Bolding, a teacher who lives in Houston. It’s one of the best archives of football imagery and information I’ve ever come across, packed with cartoons, program covers, ticket stubs, photos, and related arcana.

Best of all, Bolding has created extensively detailed sections devoted to some of the lesser-known chapters in pro football history, including the Pro Bowl (that section is here); the Shamrock Bowl (the final game ever in the All-American Football Conference, pitting the league champions against an all-star team — more details here, and be sure to scoll to the bottom for great info on AAFC championship games); the Playoff Bowl (essentially a consolation game played between the runners-up in each conference during the 1960s — more details here); the exhibition games played by NFL teams against teams from the CFL and the AFL (the most significant of which is described in detail here); and the College All-Star Game (which pitted the NFL champion against a team of NCAA all-stars and was considered a fairly big deal during its 43-year run — more details here). He’s also got info on bowl games you’ve never heard of (more info here), the AFL, the history of field goal records, and a lot more. Naturally, lots of the imagery is very uni-related.

I asked Bolding how his site came about. Here’s what he wrote back:

I developed the site because I got tired of searching the Internet for special subjects that were simply not covered. For instance, the Pro Bowl — the materials out there were scant at best, and those that I did find were repeated at every site that dealt with the subject. People simply copy and paste the materials from one site to another. I really got tired of that. So, I decided to study the Pro Bowl from scratch and try to do it justice. Sadly, the NFL Hall of Fame and NFL web sites were absolutely no help at all.

The site’s depth is really a matter of having too much time on my hands. I lived in the People’s Republic of China from 2003 to 2005. My wife is from there, so we lived there for two years and I was able to meet her family and learn about her culture. The problem was, she could speak English, but almost nobody else could. So I had no one to talk to and dove into my research. Most of the site was developed in China, believe it or not. Of course, source materials are non-existent there, so I had to finish most of it when I got back to the States by hitting newspaper archives, libraries, etc.

My site is designed to dig out the stories that are important to me. Many of the topics may seem trivial and are of little interest to many sports fans. But these are topics that are neglected by researchers and fascinating to me (like the CFL vs. NFL series). … Next up, a historical freeze-frame section looking at the starting quarterbacks of the NFL in 1971. I should have this up in a few weeks.

So there you have it: a guy who pursues what he finds interesting, simply because he finds it interesting. Sound familiar?

Uni Watch News Ticker: Speaking of uni-centric web projects, check out this impressive soccer site (with thanks to David Tauster). … More undershirt shenanigans: When I interviewed Nike VP Tinker Hatfield back in June, he said, “We think it’s great that there are these storied programs around the country that have tradition, and you just don’t mess with them. I love Michigan’s uniforms; I love the simplicity of Penn State…. Um, one out of two. … Meanwhile, Eastbay is selling similar (and similarly laughable) designs for Florida, FSU, Texas (what the hell is that pattern supposed to be, anyway?), and USC, although it’s not clear to me whether these will actually be worn on the field. … The Diamondbacks will officially unveil their new uniforms next Wednesday. According to this press release, “female models will accompany [Dbacks players] on the runway” and this “invitation-only celebrity fashion show.” Seriously, have these events lurched way out of control or what? … Speaking of which, the Reds’ new unis will be made public on December 1st (thanks to Dominic Litten, who found the info buried in the middle of this page). … Good look here at the Celtics’ memorial patch for Red Auerbach. … And Paul Pierce inscribed a “2” (the number retired for Auerbach) on his headband. … Every single person watching last night’s Bucks/Pistons game wrote in to say that one of the numerals on Charlie Bell’s jersey fell off in the 4th quarter. No pics, alas. … Good article here and here about a Cleveland shop that’s done stitching work for the Indians, Browns, Cavs (with thanks to Zach G. for the scans).

 

144 comments to History Lesson

  • Mark Mihalik | November 2, 2006 at 9:09 am |

    Paul… sorry I wasn’t around yesterday to bust out the double-branded cleat. Here it is.

  • Chris | November 2, 2006 at 9:12 am |

    You keep digging up all these cool sites to browse through I am never going to get any work done!

  • SD Chris | November 2, 2006 at 9:21 am |

    Love the story on the Raisin bowl. And notice the uni number on UOP’s QB Eddie LeBaron…72. Awesome!

  • V8Cougar | November 2, 2006 at 9:29 am |

    I’ve seen a short sleeve version (maybe just cut off) of the Gator’s undershirt peeking out from under shoulder pads for at least a couple of seasons now. Don’t know if it’s the exact same shirt, but it’s definitely orange and blue gator skin.

  • Andy | November 2, 2006 at 9:42 am |

    [quote comment=”18342″]I’ve seen a short sleeve version (maybe just cut off) of the Gator’s undershirt peeking out from under shoulder pads for at least a couple of seasons now. Don’t know if it’s the exact same shirt, but it’s definitely orange and blue gator skin.[/quote]

    Yeah, it’s the same shirt.
    For sale…
    On the field of play…

  • jesse | November 2, 2006 at 9:47 am |

    That guys website has a section with summaries of college bowl games complete with highlites of significant plays. I’m getting fired today for sure.

  • Kenny | November 2, 2006 at 9:54 am |

    The Nike shirts that we have been talking about the past couple of days wouldn’t be that bad if the stupid “tri-bolt” thing wasn’t on there. I kinda like how they are unique to the school

    Gator skin, FSU spear, Trojan um column?, and the Texas cowboy and bandana pattern

    They probably don’t belong on the field, but it would be cool to see them on the fans

    Just wait til there is an Oregon shirt released

  • Mark | November 2, 2006 at 9:55 am |

    Thought I would share this with the commUNIty, got my first glimpse of the Adidas University of Cincinnati men’s basketball unis this morning. Here is a link to a gallery from last night’s preseason game. Correct me if I am wrong, but that doesn’t look like a typical three-stripe template to me. Remember, N*ke/Jordan dumped the ‘Cats when they dumped Huggins. Thoughts on the new look?

  • Chris | November 2, 2006 at 9:56 am |

    was on the 1969 College All-Star Game page and the Jets (who should’ve lost the game) are wearing what looks like training camp jerseys.

  • TBDRO | November 2, 2006 at 10:14 am |

    Aug. 12, 1950 – N.Y. Giants 20, Ottawa Rough Riders (CFL) 6

    Aug. 11, 1951 – N.Y. Giants 38, Ottawa Rough Riders (CFL) 6

    Aug. 5, 1959 – Chicago Cardinals 55, Toronto Argonauts (CFL) 26

    Aug. 6, 1960 – Pittsburgh Steelers 43, Toronto Argonauts (CFL) 16

    Aug. 2, 1961 – St. Louis Cardinals 36, Toronto Argonauts (CFL) 7

    Aug. 5, 1961 – Chicago Bears 34, Montreal Alouettes (CFL) 16

    Aug. 8, 1961 – Hamilton Tiger-Cats (CFL) 38, Buffalo Bills 21

    Well done, Buffalo, well done.

  • Matt | November 2, 2006 at 10:18 am |

    [quote comment=”18356″]Aug. 12, 1950 – N.Y. Giants 20, Ottawa Rough Riders (CFL) 6

    Aug. 11, 1951 – N.Y. Giants 38, Ottawa Rough Riders (CFL) 6

    Aug. 5, 1959 – Chicago Cardinals 55, Toronto Argonauts (CFL) 26

    Aug. 6, 1960 – Pittsburgh Steelers 43, Toronto Argonauts (CFL) 16

    Aug. 2, 1961 – St. Louis Cardinals 36, Toronto Argonauts (CFL) 7

    Aug. 5, 1961 – Chicago Bears 34, Montreal Alouettes (CFL) 16

    Aug. 8, 1961 – Hamilton Tiger-Cats (CFL) 38, Buffalo Bills 21

    Well done, Buffalo, well done.[/quote]

    come on, do you actually expect the Bills to win a game?

  • Steve-O | November 2, 2006 at 10:29 am |

    Hey did you notice in this picture how the team facing the colts has that nice star pattern on the shoulders??

  • Burrill | November 2, 2006 at 10:41 am |

    [quote comment=”18362″]Hey did you notice in this picture how the team facing the colts has that nice star pattern on the shoulders??[/quote]

    Wow. It looks like they’re wearing capes. The team must be owned by Superman or something.

  • a arauz | November 2, 2006 at 10:49 am |

    [quote comment=”18362″]Hey did you notice in this picture how the team facing the colts has that nice star pattern on the shoulders??[/quote]
    Those are the College Allstars. Great sight! I’ll have to take that link home, there’s no way I can continue to browse thru it at the orifice.

  • Brian Baute | November 2, 2006 at 10:52 am |

    Wikipedia has some seemingly reliable info about the Reds new unis:

    “In September 2006, the Dayton Daily News and the Cincinnati Post reported that New Era has already delivered new uniform caps for the 2007 season and that manager Jerry Narron had kept one on his desk. The home caps will return to all-red with a white wishbone C, lightly outlined in black. The caps with red crowns and black bill will be used on the road. Additionally, the sleeveless jerseys will be abandoned for more traditional shirts. The numbers and the lettering for the names on the backs of the jerseys will be changed to an early-1900’s style typeface. It had been rumoured that navy blue was to make a return as a trim colour, but that has been denied. The alternate club logo and jersey emblem will be the moustachioed Mr. Red from 1956. The Cincinnati Enquirer reported that the new uniforms are to be revealed to the public at Redsfest in December.”

  • Frank Mercogliano | November 2, 2006 at 11:00 am |

    If anyone can get a screen grab from SportsCenter this morning, they had a pretty good recap of the Bell #4 fiasco … it was on around 8:45 or so Mountain Time this morning, so whenever that translates ….

    Frank

  • Kim | November 2, 2006 at 11:01 am |

    “Redsfest” seems like a place to go for a reading from a little red book, or a celebration of Warren Beatty movies.

  • Justin | November 2, 2006 at 11:16 am |

    Haven’t seen this posted on your site yet, but San Diego State basketball has new uniforms. They’re Nike outfitted, but they haven’t gone the route of the other schools maligned on here.

    Last year’s white unis.

    What do you think?

    Also… a craigslist find… old SDSU baseball pants, check out the pinstripes!

  • Kim | November 2, 2006 at 11:17 am |

    Regarding shoes with covered logos, there were quite a bit of incidents in the mid 1990’s in soccer. Nike made thier big move into the soccer world and signed players up. But their shoes were the pits, so some players converted various other shoes with Nike swooshes.

    It took a couple of years for Nike to start getting it right.

  • Mark Mihalik | November 2, 2006 at 11:43 am |

    The MLB/Japan All-Star Series kicked off today, and the MLB players are predictably wearing a Japan Series patch on their hats, and unfortunetly also wearing the logo of a Japanese sponsor on their helmets (which they’ve done in previous years). Paul–like the sweet color of that decal on the Mets’ technicolor helmet?

  • Mark Mihalik | November 2, 2006 at 11:46 am |

    [quote comment=”18380″]The MLB/Japan All-Star Series kicked off today, and the MLB players are predictably wearing a Japan Series patch on their hats, and unfortunetly also wearing the logo of a Japanese sponsor on their helmets (which they’ve done in previous years). Paul–like the sweet color of that decal on the Mets’ technicolor helmet?[/quote]

    Just realized that there’s a logo patch on the sleeves, too.

  • Paul Lukas | November 2, 2006 at 11:52 am |

    [quote comment=”18380″]Paul–like the sweet color of that decal on the Mets’ technicolor helmet?[/quote]

    Yikes.

  • Jonathan | November 2, 2006 at 12:00 pm |

    We just talked about Uni Watch in one of my classes. Paul’s being discussed in colleges.

  • Scott M.X. Turner | November 2, 2006 at 12:01 pm |

    Re the Auerbach patch. The black is needless, and the font is generic. I’d have gone with this, which loses the black and uses the font that was on Celtics jerseys when Red started the whole thing.

  • Jeremy | November 2, 2006 at 12:06 pm |

    word is that louisville may be breaking out black helmets for their game with west virginia tonight.

  • Pat | November 2, 2006 at 12:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”18385″]Re the Auerbach patch. The black is needless, and the font is generic. I’d have gone with this, which loses the black and uses the font that was on Celtics jerseys when Red started the whole thing.[/quote]

    Aside from the generic font (which needs to be rectified, I was imagining some sort of script) I think the patch is perfect. The black is a sign of mourning, which makes a lot of sense given the situation. The rest is simple, the way Red would have wanted it. Nothing extravagent. To bad it didn’t inspire the Celtics to play like Red would have wanted them to.

  • matt in the nati | November 2, 2006 at 12:08 pm |

    anybody else not looking forward to the asthetic nightmare tonight will be?

  • a arauz | November 2, 2006 at 12:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”18373″]Regarding shoes with covered logos, there were quite a bit of incidents in the mid 1990’s in soccer. Nike made thier big move into the soccer world and signed players up. But their shoes were the pits, so some players converted various other shoes with Nike swooshes.

    It took a couple of years for Nike to start getting it right.[/quote]
    Kim, what is it they’ve ‘got right’? how to cause broken metatarsals from lack of protection?

  • Chad G | November 2, 2006 at 12:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”18385″]Re the Auerbach patch. The black is needless, and the font is generic. I’d have gone with this, which loses the black and uses the font that was on Celtics jerseys when Red started the whole thing.[/quote]

    I think the patch is black for mourning. Just like a black armband. I don’t think it’s black just because… I do understand what you said about the font, but on lettering that small you wouldn’t notice the serifs on your verision unless you’re really up close.

  • Willy Billy | November 2, 2006 at 12:12 pm |

    This was in the San Diego Union-Tribune today in the Chargers Notes Section. Byline goes to Kevin Acee:

    “The equipment crew said it now has tackle Marcus McNeill’s last name spelled correctly on his throwback jersey. It was NcNeill’s father who noticed the misspelling, with one ‘l’ missing, on the television broadcast of the OCT. 8 game against Pittsburgh.”

    I did a quick image search, but couldn’t find a good pic.

  • Chad G | November 2, 2006 at 12:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”18391″]anybody else not looking forward to the asthetic nightmare tonight will be?[/quote]

    yeah this game is not going to be pleasing to the eye…isn’t Louisville supposed to wear the black unitard tonight?

  • Scott M.X. Turner | November 2, 2006 at 12:14 pm |

    “too small” is never a reason to not do something. Besides, everyone on this and the other uniform boards notices.

    Uniform designers these days are consistently lazy about small details.

    Purple is a mourning color too, but they didn’t include it. If the Celtics come out and say “black serves the mourning-strip purpose,” okay, grand. But there’ve been countless commemorative emblems that haven’t used black.

    I just think it rubs wrong to use anything but the Celtics long-time colors.

  • ACC | November 2, 2006 at 12:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”18393″][quote comment=”18385″]Re the Auerbach patch. The black is needless, and the font is generic. I’d have gone with this, which loses the black and uses the font that was on Celtics jerseys when Red started the whole thing.[/quote]

    I think the patch is black for mourning. Just like a black armband. I don’t think it’s black just because… I do understand what you said about the font, but on lettering that small you wouldn’t notice the serifs on your verision unless you’re really up close.[/quote]

    If I was a Celts fan I would start a petition to make this patch permanent.

    See Chicago Bears and the GHS on the sleeve.

  • Chad G | November 2, 2006 at 12:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”18396″]”too small” is never a reason to not do something. Besides, everyone on this and the other uniform boards notices.

    Uniform designers these days are consistently lazy about small details.

    Purple is a mourning color too, but they didn’t include it. If the Celtics come out and say “black serves the mourning-strip purpose,” okay, grand. But there’ve been countless commemorative emblems that haven’t used black.

    I just think it rubs wrong to use anything but the Celtics long-time colors.[/quote]

    Purple is a mourning color?

  • dchis | November 2, 2006 at 12:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”18396″]”too small” is never a reason to not do something. Besides, everyone on this and the other uniform boards notices.

    Uniform designers these days are consistently lazy about small details.

    Purple is a mourning color too, but they didn’t include it. If the Celtics come out and say “black serves the mourning-strip purpose,” okay, grand. But there’ve been countless commemorative emblems that haven’t used black.

    I just think it rubs wrong to use anything but the Celtics long-time colors.[/quote]

    Not to with it are we Scott. Black has been a long standing color the Celtics when it comes to commemorating the life of someone from their organization.

  • Original Jim | November 2, 2006 at 12:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”18396″]”too small” is never a reason to not do something. Besides, everyone on this and the other uniform boards notices.

    Uniform designers these days are consistently lazy about small details.

    Purple is a mourning color too, but they didn’t include it. If the Celtics come out and say “black serves the mourning-strip purpose,” okay, grand. But there’ve been countless commemorative emblems that haven’t used black.

    I just think it rubs wrong to use anything but the Celtics long-time colors.[/quote]

    There is black in the Celtics color scheme (and on the alt uniforms). There is a precedent for the Celtics wearing a black memorial patch in the past. The Celtics have also had a history of black sneakers.

    So it’s not like the black is an arbitrary decision.

    Besides, this should stand out from the green shamrock on the back of the jerseys.

    And the only purple that should ever be on a Celtics jersey should come from a torn Lakers jersey.

  • Chad G | November 2, 2006 at 12:34 pm |

    The use of the word “commemorating” is bothering me for some reason. In this situation the cetics are mourning Red’s death. He just died! You can also “honor” a person’s life and contributions, and then maybe you can use a patch that is a different color (black is always used in mourning). To me when you commemorate something it is an event, not a person.

    Just my stupid 2 cents, feel free to diagree.

  • GoMac | November 2, 2006 at 12:44 pm |

    I’m pretty sure that the Texas design is supposed to mimick cowboy boots..

  • Josh Peterson | November 2, 2006 at 12:46 pm |

    I agree that the patch should be a permanent fixture on the Celtics jerseys. RED

  • andrew | November 2, 2006 at 12:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”18400″][quote comment=”18396″]”too small” is never a reason to not do something. Besides, everyone on this and the other uniform boards notices.

    Uniform designers these days are consistently lazy about small details.

    Purple is a mourning color too, but they didn’t include it. If the Celtics come out and say “black serves the mourning-strip purpose,” okay, grand. But there’ve been countless commemorative emblems that haven’t used black.

    I just think it rubs wrong to use anything but the Celtics long-time colors.[/quote]

    Purple is a mourning color?[/quote]
    it always makes me cry…

    totally unrealatedly, um/osu on the 18th won’t just be the best game of the year in terms of football, but I can’t think of a better game in terms of uniforms. can anyone think of a better uniform matchup that we’ve seen this year?

  • Dave S | November 2, 2006 at 12:52 pm |

    Anyone know what the numbers on the back of this shirt mean?

    http://gatorzone.tea...

  • justin | November 2, 2006 at 12:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”18412″]Anyone know what the numbers on the back of this shirt mean?

    http://gatorzone.tea...

    65 teams in the tournament, down to 32, 16, 8, 4, then champions.

  • Burrill | November 2, 2006 at 12:54 pm |

    How about this font for a uni number?

  • matt in the nati | November 2, 2006 at 12:59 pm |

    wonderfully simple shirt ruined by logo creep

  • Chad G | November 2, 2006 at 1:00 pm |

    Here is screenshot of ESPN’s front page right now…nuff said.

    And on another note, does anyone agree with me that this is how Ohio State’s home jersey should look(the sleeve on the left). The way they do the away jersey makes sense: the jersey is white so they replace the white stripe with gray…therefore shouldn’t they replace the red stripe with gray on the home jersey like I did in the picture?

  • Chad G | November 2, 2006 at 1:05 pm |

    Paul,

    How do you link your flickr pictures so that it’s just the picture and nothing else?

  • matt in the nati | November 2, 2006 at 1:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”18422″]Paul,

    How do you link your flickr pictures so that it’s just the picture and nothing else?[/quote]

    i’ve wondered that for awhile… i think you need the flickr pro tools

  • Andy from KC | November 2, 2006 at 1:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”18422″]Paul,

    How do you link your flickr pictures so that it’s just the picture and nothing else?[/quote]

    If you have Firefox, just right-click and select “View Image,” then just copy the URL from that. I’m not sure if Explorer will let you do that or not.

  • TBDRO | November 2, 2006 at 1:28 pm |

    If you are using Internet Explorer, right click on the picture, go to Properties, and copy the Address: (URL).

  • Chad G | November 2, 2006 at 1:29 pm |

    this is a test, here is my paintbrush Ohio State jersey again

  • Chad G | November 2, 2006 at 1:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”18431″]this is a test, here is my paintbrush Ohio State jersey again[/quote]

    Sweetness! Thanks Andy and TBDRO

  • Paul Lukas | November 2, 2006 at 1:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”18422″]How do you link your flickr pictures so that it’s just the picture and nothing else?[/quote]

    Others have already answered this. But, basically, in Firefox you can click-and-hold on pretty much any embedded web image (including an image on a Flickr page), get a pop-up menu, and then choose “View Image.” In Safari, hold Control while clicking on the image and choose either “Open Image in New Window” or “…in New Tab.”

  • Micah | November 2, 2006 at 1:45 pm |

    1. I have never seen a Michigan player wear one of those Nike baselayers; plus the gold doesn’t even match the maize color of their unis.

    2. All of those new Nike baselayers will be worn this weekend; FSU’s debuted last week against B.C. with those commerative black unis. I do like how they have something unique to each school imprinted on them.

    3. Mark, I don’t like the new adidas Cincy unis; a bit too busy. I liked the simple matching side panels that Jordan Brand had, just my opinion.

    4. Justin, those SDSU unis look very nice and clean. Good job by Nike cleaning a uni up.

  • Jonathon | November 2, 2006 at 1:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”18408″]I agree that the patch should be a permanent fixture on the Celtics jerseys. RED[/quote]

    sort of like the GSH on the sleeve of the Bears’ unis for George S. Halas. good idea.

  • Matthew S. | November 2, 2006 at 1:51 pm |

    Kieran Darcy gives several shout outs to Uni Watch in his column on Page 2 today. He also seems to agree with the rest of uni nation that the Bucks’ uniforms are much better now that they’ve purged the purple from them.

    http://sports.espn.g...

  • Jason | November 2, 2006 at 1:56 pm |

    According to the Louisville Courier-Journal, the Cards will be sticking with the white helmets

  • Miguel | November 2, 2006 at 2:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”18353″]Thought I would share this with the commUNIty, got my first glimpse of the Adidas University of Cincinnati men’s basketball unis this morning. Here is a link to a gallery from last night’s preseason game. Correct me if I am wrong, but that doesn’t look like a typical three-stripe template to me. Remember, N*ke/Jordan dumped the ‘Cats when they dumped Huggins. Thoughts on the new look?[/quote]

    The adidas design team must be really hard at work on their soccer stuff, since they have to rip off Nike basketball jerseys with those stripes near the neckline.

    Innovation is nothing (with which we are familiar)”

  • J W Buchanan | November 2, 2006 at 2:25 pm |

    Count me among the guys who think that the black shamrock looks kind of stupid. Mostly, I’m stupefied by the idea of a black shamrock labeled “Red”. I mean, come on. And it’s labeled in green embroidery, making it doubly innacurate.

    Why not a red shamrock? It would make a pretty nice permanent addition to the jersey, maybe replacing that otherwise arbitrary new shamrock on the back, below the collar.

  • Gabe | November 2, 2006 at 2:25 pm |

    Paul you killed the poor mans site for the day. I always miss out on all the fun stuff.

  • OCWill | November 2, 2006 at 2:32 pm |

    From yesterday:

    Kris says:
    This isn’t really uniform-related, but I’m watching the Boise/Fresno game on ESPN, and Boise St.’s fans alternating blue and orange by stadium section is pretty damn cool.

    I was watching that same game and was equally impressed by that . . . until I realized that no one was there and their (empty) seats alternate colors by sections.

  • Jordan | November 2, 2006 at 2:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”18410″]totally unrealatedly, um/osu on the 18th won’t just be the best game of the year in terms of football, but I can’t think of a better game in terms of uniforms. can anyone think of a better uniform matchup that we’ve seen this year?[/quote]

    I’m just a bit biased, but I’d have to go with UT-OU on that one.

  • Jordan | November 2, 2006 at 2:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”18449″]Count me among the guys who think that the black shamrock looks kind of stupid. Mostly, I’m stupefied by the idea of a black shamrock labeled “Red”. I mean, come on. And it’s labeled in green embroidery, making it doubly innacurate.

    Why not a red shamrock? It would make a pretty nice permanent addition to the jersey, maybe replacing that otherwise arbitrary new shamrock on the back, below the collar.[/quote]

    Why does everyone have such a hard time comprehending that black is the only appropriate color for mourning a death?

  • barney | November 2, 2006 at 2:42 pm |

    Instead of a permanent tribute on their uniforms, I’d prefer that the Celtics keep the Auerbach memorial, which is on the parquet in two spots, in place beyond this season. The memorial can be seen at the top right of this link.
    http://www.nba.com/c...

  • Andy | November 2, 2006 at 2:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”18449″]Count me among the guys who think that the black shamrock looks kind of stupid. Mostly, I’m stupefied by the idea of a black shamrock labeled “Red”. I mean, come on. And it’s labeled in green embroidery, making it doubly innacurate.

    Why not a red shamrock? It would make a pretty nice permanent addition to the jersey, maybe replacing that otherwise arbitrary new shamrock on the back, below the collar.[/quote]
    Yeah, yeah! Or..or…or maybe they should posthumously change his first name to Black, and print “Black” on the black shamrock!

  • Taylor | November 2, 2006 at 2:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”18372″]Haven’t seen this posted on your site yet, but San Diego State basketball has new uniforms. They’re Nike outfitted, but they haven’t gone the route of the other schools maligned on here.

    Last year’s white unis.

    What do you think?

    Also… a craigslist find… old SDSU baseball pants, check out the pinstripes![/quote]

    Not bad unis if you ask me. I wish the stripe on the shorts didn’t curve at the bottom, but all in all I like them.

  • jesse | November 2, 2006 at 2:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”18455″][quote comment=”18410″]totally unrealatedly, um/osu on the 18th won’t just be the best game of the year in terms of football, but I can’t think of a better game in terms of uniforms. can anyone think of a better uniform matchup that we’ve seen this year?[/quote]

    I’m just a bit biased, but I’d have to go with UT-OU on that one.[/quote]

    Penn State @ Notre Dame

  • GoTerriers | November 2, 2006 at 2:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”18457″]

    Why does everyone have such a hard time comprehending that black is the only appropriate color for mourning a death?[/quote]

    Because it’s what we do here . . nitpick.

    Technically speaking it’s not the ONLY color appropriate for mourning. Other countries and cultures use different colors. Of course the fact that we are talking about the BOSTON Celtics and not the Johannesburg or Teheran Celtics makes those other colors irrelevant or “irrelative” (sic) to quote Jon Gruden

  • Taylor | November 2, 2006 at 2:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”18444″][quote comment=”18353″]Thought I would share this with the commUNIty, got my first glimpse of the Adidas University of Cincinnati men’s basketball unis this morning. Here is a link to a gallery from last night’s preseason game. Correct me if I am wrong, but that doesn’t look like a typical three-stripe template to me. Remember, N*ke/Jordan dumped the ‘Cats when they dumped Huggins. Thoughts on the new look?[/quote]

    The adidas design team must be really hard at work on their soccer stuff, since they have to rip off Nike basketball jerseys with those stripes near the neckline.

    Innovation is nothing (with which we are familiar)”[/quote]

    While I love adidas and can’t stand Nike, adidas really does make some ugly college basketball jerseys (outside of Indiana and UCLA).

  • Paul Lukas | November 2, 2006 at 2:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”18440″]Kieran Darcy gives several shout outs to Uni Watch in his column on Page 2 today.[/quote]

    He’s one of my ESPN.com editors, so he’s intimately familiar with all the nuances of Uni Watch.

    [quote comment=”18450″]Paul you killed the poor mans site for the day. I always miss out on all the fun stuff.[/quote]

    Shit, I didn’t think we’d overload him (he has so many pages and images embedded in his site, I assumed he had plenty of bandwidth). All I can say is, check back tomorrow — his site is totally worth it.

  • Sean | November 2, 2006 at 3:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”18440″]Kieran Darcy gives several shout outs to Uni Watch in his column on Page 2 today. He also seems to agree with the rest of uni nation that the Bucks’ uniforms are much better now that they’ve purged the purple from them.

    http://sports.espn.g...

    and somehow he manages to totally screw up the uni-points.

    how do the warriors, magic, and cavs all score 7’s?
    meanwhile the celtics only score a 3 (!?!?) – tying them with the the rockets for second worst uniform after the nuggets?

    paul, reach over from your espn cubicle and smack some sense into kieran!

  • dchis | November 2, 2006 at 3:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”18449″]Count me among the guys who think that the black shamrock looks kind of stupid. Mostly, I’m stupefied by the idea of a black shamrock labeled “Red”. I mean, come on. And it’s labeled in green embroidery, making it doubly innacurate.

    Why not a red shamrock? It would make a pretty nice permanent addition to the jersey, maybe replacing that otherwise arbitrary new shamrock on the back, below the collar.[/quote]

    You my friend need to think about this a little more. Many people on this board have said that the color black is the most appropriate color for mourning a death. Black stripes have been used before by many sports teams for this purpose. The Minnesotta Twins used black this year for Kirby Puckett and no one said anything about that color not being the correct color for the occasion. The Celtics made the exact right decision with going with black. As has also been said here today, his name is Red. Why would you do a red logo? His name is Red. He is not the color red, big difference. Also, what if this happened for someone named Gray. Gray is a lot more common than Red for a name but would you say that the team messed up with using black and should have used gray instead? Insane!?!?!?!?!?

  • Dan Brown | November 2, 2006 at 3:07 pm |

    Hey all,

    I know this is a bit off topic, but the page on field goals and drop kicks got me thinking about something I saw the other day. I’m a big rugby fan and was looking at some photos from the Heineken Cup tournament a couple of weeks ago and noticed a team from France called Stade Francais wearing what might possibly be the absolute WORST jerseys ever seen in competition. What do you think?

    http://images.skyspo...

    A better look:
    http://www.ercrugby....

  • Dan Brown | November 2, 2006 at 3:11 pm |

    Sorry that the second link in my post, #72, seems to not be working, but you can see a better picture here:
    http://www.ercrugby....

  • Miguel | November 2, 2006 at 3:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”18476″]Hey all,

    What do you think?

    http://images.skyspo...
    [/quote]

    I always wondered what Diego Maradona would look like roided out and in a rugby uniform

  • JSwerdy | November 2, 2006 at 3:24 pm |

    Paul-
    not uni related all, but somewhat aestheitcally similar…do you pay much attention to countries’ flags, especially when they change them. the south africa comment above popped this into my head, but south africa should be nominated for one of the worst changes in world history (in coming to that conclusion, one obviously needs to ignore the social context of the act)

    the 1928-1994 flag

    the 1994-present flag

  • JSwerdy | November 2, 2006 at 3:27 pm |
  • Bill | November 2, 2006 at 3:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”18464″][quote comment=”18455″][quote comment=”18410″]totally unrealatedly, um/osu on the 18th won’t just be the best game of the year in terms of football, but I can’t think of a better game in terms of uniforms. can anyone think of a better uniform matchup that we’ve seen this year?[/quote]

    I’m just a bit biased, but I’d have to go with UT-OU on that one.[/quote]

    Penn State @ Notre Dame[/quote]

    AMEN Brother!

  • Chad G | November 2, 2006 at 3:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”18483″]Paul-
    not uni related all, but somewhat aestheitcally similar…do you pay much attention to countries’ flags, especially when they change them. the south africa comment above popped this into my head, but south africa should be nominated for one of the worst changes in world history (in coming to that conclusion, one obviously needs to ignore the social context of the act)

    the 1928-1994 flag

    the 1994-present flag[/quote]
    [quote comment=”18484″]

    the 1928-1994 flag

    1994-present flag[/quote]

    Hmm, I will respond to this as if we were analyzing a uniform. Old has 5 colors, new has 6 colors. These are both too many colors to start with so they are equal in this regard. As sports fans we get behind our teams 1 or 2 colors when you have 5 or 6 it’s hard to do that. Now let’s get to why the old flag stinks. It a combination of flags from 4 other countries. In sports this would be like Notre Dame wearing a big yellow M on their chest’s cause Michigan students taught them the game of football back in the day. Advantage new flag.

    The design of the new flag is original and contains no curved lines, which is usually included in uniforms we don’t like on this site. I am gonna give the advantage to the new flag, it’s only shortcoming being too many colors.

  • Stink | November 2, 2006 at 3:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”18342″]I’ve seen a short sleeve version (maybe just cut off) of the Gator’s undershirt peeking out from under shoulder pads for at least a couple of seasons now. Don’t know if it’s the exact same shirt, but it’s definitely orange and blue gator skin.[/quote]

    I’m looking for a picture as we speak, but, a lot of the Gator’s players on Saturday vs. Georgia had cut off the patterned sleeve of their unders and used them as dew rags… Reggie Nelson being the prime example of this, as they showed him many times on the sidelines series..

  • JSwerdy | November 2, 2006 at 3:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”18476″]Hey all,

    I know this is a bit off topic, but the page on field goals and drop kicks got me thinking about something I saw the other day. I’m a big rugby fan and was looking at some photos from the Heineken Cup tournament a couple of weeks ago and noticed a team from France called Stade Francais wearing what might possibly be the absolute WORST jerseys ever seen in competition. What do you think?

    http://images.skyspo...

    A better look:
    http://www.ercrugby....

    yes those jerseys are gross, but that guys face in the first pic is awesome

    speaking of rugby jerseys, i personally find these two to be the best springboks vs. allblacks
    a) its nice to see a team name thats indicative of its color motiff (new zealand allblacks)
    b) despite the awesomeness of the springboks jersey, nike still managed to screw it up when they were south africa’s supplier

  • LouUmp | November 2, 2006 at 3:59 pm |

    So Paul, you finally managed to ‘fark’ a site!

  • JSwerdy | November 2, 2006 at 4:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”18484″]

    the 1928-1994 flag

    1994-present flag[/quote]

    Hmm, I will respond to this as if we were analyzing a uniform. Old has 5 colors, new has 6 colors. These are both too many colors to start with so they are equal in this regard. As sports fans we get behind our teams 1 or 2 colors when you have 5 or 6 it’s hard to do that. Now let’s get to why the old flag stinks. It a combination of flags from 4 other countries. In sports this would be like Notre Dame wearing a big yellow M on their chest’s cause Michigan students taught them the game of football back in the day. Advantage new flag.

    The design of the new flag is original and contains no curved lines, which is usually included in uniforms we don’t like on this site. I am gonna give the advantage to the new flag, it’s only shortcoming being too many colors.[/quote]

    i like the analysis perspective, but my counter reaction. there are only 2 countries’ flags present in the old flag (england and holland) In a sports context that is like two colleges merging (im blanking on examples) and combining elements of their colors/uniforms/symbols to form the new schools symbols, or like a team moving and maintaining parts of their old logos emblams (ala the sf giants hat font)
    the other two flags are of two of the provinces in south africa (the orange free state and the Transvaal if my memory is correct) This is like marylands uniforms having the same colors as the state flags.

    also, in its proper proportions, the middle three flags arent that big

    the new flag, uses similar sources for the colors, the 6 colors represent 6 of the primary tribes/languages with southafrica, the horizontal peace sign is meant to stand for equality and progress, and overall is supposed to be optomistic and incredibly symbolic. i dont know if its the colors that rub me the wrong way, or the peace sign design, something just doesnt seem like its an appropriate representation for a nation (instead of looking very close to a rainbow flag)

  • JSwerdy | November 2, 2006 at 4:04 pm |

    hmm, mustve screwed up the way i quoted that, but another side topic

    anyone got any good examples of schools/teams that have merged and combined their emblems/logos/uniforms?

  • Ian K | November 2, 2006 at 4:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”18433″][quote comment=”18422″]How do you link your flickr pictures so that it’s just the picture and nothing else?[/quote]

    Others have already answered this. But, basically, in Firefox you can click-and-hold on pretty much any embedded web image (including an image on a Flickr page), get a pop-up menu, and then choose “View Image.” In Safari, hold Control while clicking on the image and choose either “Open Image in New Window” or “…in New Tab.”[/quote]

    This is now old news, being 2 hours old, but you can also click on the link for “different sizes” and below the pic it has the URL in a text box ready to be copied.

  • Kramer | November 2, 2006 at 4:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”18503″]hmm, mustve screwed up the way i quoted that, but another side topic

    anyone got any good examples of schools/teams that have merged and combined their emblems/logos/uniforms?[/quote]
    wasnt there something in a post about a month ago about the steagles

  • Matthew S. | November 2, 2006 at 4:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”18474″][quote comment=”18440″]Kieran Darcy gives several shout outs to Uni Watch in his column on Page 2 today. He also seems to agree with the rest of uni nation that the Bucks’ uniforms are much better now that they’ve purged the purple from them.

    http://sports.espn.g...

    and somehow he manages to totally screw up the uni-points.

    how do the warriors, magic, and cavs all score 7’s?
    meanwhile the celtics only score a 3 (!?!?) – tying them with the the rockets for second worst uniform after the nuggets?

    paul, reach over from your espn cubicle and smack some sense into kieran![/quote]

    Seriously. It’s good that Kieran Darcy ‘Get’s It’ (or do you have that trademarked now Paul?) through reading and editing your articles, but some of his uniform grades and choices are highly dubious. I believe he is in need of a uniform education. I would prescribe the following to cure his ills: read Uni Watch blog everday for 3 months.

  • Raul | November 2, 2006 at 4:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”18475″][quote comment=”18449″]Count me among the guys who think that the black shamrock looks kind of stupid. Mostly, I’m stupefied by the idea of a black shamrock labeled “Red”. I mean, come on. And it’s labeled in green embroidery, making it doubly innacurate.

    Why not a red shamrock? It would make a pretty nice permanent addition to the jersey, maybe replacing that otherwise arbitrary new shamrock on the back, below the collar.[/quote]

    You my friend need to think about this a little more. Many people on this board have said that the color black is the most appropriate color for mourning a death. Black stripes have been used before by many sports teams for this purpose. The Minnesotta Twins used black this year for Kirby Puckett and no one said anything about that color not being the correct color for the occasion. The Celtics made the exact right decision with going with black. As has also been said here today, his name is Red. Why would you do a red logo? His name is Red. He is not the color red, big difference. Also, what if this happened for someone named Gray. Gray is a lot more common than Red for a name but would you say that the team messed up with using black and should have used gray instead? Insane!?!?!?!?!?[/quote]
    George Washington is dead – is the Washington memorial black?
    Abe Lincoln is dead – is the Lincoln memorial black?
    Michelangelo is dead – is his memorial Italian stamp black?
    Gauss is dead – is the German currency with his picture on it black?
    Shakespeare is dead – are any of the Globe theater recreations black?
    Bear Bryant is dead – is the Alabama memorial all black?
    Dante is dead – is the cover of the Divine Comedy black?
    Elvis is dead (maybe) – is Graceland black?

    No one will be mourning Red’s death in 30 years, it simply makes more sense to celebrate his life rather than his death. To every person the sweetest sound in any language is their name, so to add a tie in to the color of his name would be pleasing to him.

  • Tony | November 2, 2006 at 4:29 pm |

    Interesting uniforms for the Trenton Titans from the ECHL:

    Logo

    Jerseys

    Those shoulder designs are….ummm…..different….

  • Tony | November 2, 2006 at 4:30 pm |

    To clarify, the Trenton jerseys are based on a local landmark bridge…

  • Chad G | November 2, 2006 at 4:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”18513″][quote comment=”18475″][quote comment=”18449″]Count me among the guys who think that the black shamrock looks kind of stupid. Mostly, I’m stupefied by the idea of a black shamrock labeled “Red”. I mean, come on. And it’s labeled in green embroidery, making it doubly innacurate.

    Why not a red shamrock? It would make a pretty nice permanent addition to the jersey, maybe replacing that otherwise arbitrary new shamrock on the back, below the collar.[/quote]

    You my friend need to think about this a little more. Many people on this board have said that the color black is the most appropriate color for mourning a death. Black stripes have been used before by many sports teams for this purpose. The Minnesotta Twins used black this year for Kirby Puckett and no one said anything about that color not being the correct color for the occasion. The Celtics made the exact right decision with going with black. As has also been said here today, his name is Red. Why would you do a red logo? His name is Red. He is not the color red, big difference. Also, what if this happened for someone named Gray. Gray is a lot more common than Red for a name but would you say that the team messed up with using black and should have used gray instead? Insane!?!?!?!?!?[/quote]
    George Washington is dead – is the Washington memorial black?
    Abe Lincoln is dead – is the Lincoln memorial black?
    Michelangelo is dead – is his memorial Italian stamp black?
    Gauss is dead – is the German currency with his picture on it black?
    Shakespeare is dead – are any of the Globe theater recreations black?
    Bear Bryant is dead – is the Alabama memorial all black?
    Dante is dead – is the cover of the Divine Comedy black?
    Elvis is dead (maybe) – is Graceland black?

    No one will be mourning Red’s death in 30 years, it simply makes more sense to celebrate his life rather than his death. To every person the sweetest sound in any language is their name, so to add a tie in to the color of his name would be pleasing to him.[/quote]

    Ok, you obviously don’t understand the diference. When you mourn you wear black, he just died! When you create a “memorial” to someone it usually is erected or created some time after death, so when that is done you can do whatever you want to symbolize their life.

    Do you think his family wore red to the funeral because his name was Red? NO, they wore black. Last time I checked none of that stuff you mentioned was done literally days after their deaths.

    If the celtics do something in the future it probably won’t be a black shamrock.

  • Kieran K. | November 2, 2006 at 4:47 pm |

    Boise State actually had a graphic for fans to look at in order to determine what color they should wear for the game.

  • Kieran K. | November 2, 2006 at 4:49 pm |

    sorry. Link didn’t work.

  • Kieran K. | November 2, 2006 at 4:49 pm |
  • Minna H | November 2, 2006 at 4:56 pm |

    I’m for the black shamrock, and not because black is my favorite color. Chad G. and others who delineate the difference between mourning and memorial are correct. In this country, black is the accepted color for mourning. Most other examples in sports (if not all) of honoring someone who has died have been black.

    When the Celtics want to memorialize Red in the long run, then they can—and should—turn to a different color. To me, a red shamrock would look odd because red (the color) is not associated with mourning in this country.

    And guys, let’s all be civil in our disagreement, ok?

    Oh, and I like the new South African flag better than the old one.

  • Tape | November 2, 2006 at 5:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”18400″]Purple is a mourning color?[/quote]

    sure. I mourn whenever I see it.

  • Nolan | November 2, 2006 at 5:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”18440″]Kieran Darcy gives several shout outs to Uni Watch in his column on Page 2 today. He also seems to agree with the rest of uni nation that the Bucks’ uniforms are much better now that they’ve purged the purple from them.

    http://sports.espn.g...
    I noticed last night either at halftime or on SportsCenter they flashed up the logos of the teams leading into the highlights and the Bucks logo was the old purple one ESPN didn’t get the memo.

  • GoTerriers | November 2, 2006 at 5:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”18513″]
    Bear Bryant is dead – is the Alabama memorial all black?[/quote]

    No, it’s HOUNDSTOOTH . .(Sorry Clay, sometimes I can’t help myself)

  • Andy from KC | November 2, 2006 at 5:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”18514″]Interesting uniforms for the Trenton Titans from the ECHL:

    Logo

    Jerseys

    Those shoulder designs are….ummm…..different….[/quote]

    The weird thing to me is the name of the city below the name of the team. It reads “Titans Trenton.” Now, this can’t be the first time a logo has been designed like that, but can anybody think of other examples? (I’d try, but I’m afraid work has left me brain-dead.)

  • Tim | November 2, 2006 at 5:51 pm |

    I think it’d be awesome to see Louisville come out with all black. I love the monochromatic unis. I also enjoyed Clemson’s all purple and FSU’s all black (except for the “unconquered” thing on the side of the pants). Yeah..it is purple but it was different. I guess I don’t mind the whole nike weirdly designed shirts cuz I’ve grown up with stuff like that. They keep making them cuz most teens and stuff nowadays like that stuff but to others its very aesthetically unpleasing.

  • Kevin Bryant | November 2, 2006 at 5:55 pm |

    You might want to try Coral Caching stuff on sites you know have bandwidth issues or are unknown.

    http://www.coralcdn....

  • aychberg | November 2, 2006 at 6:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”18370″]If anyone can get a screen grab from SportsCenter this morning, they had a pretty good recap of the Bell #4 fiasco … it was on around 8:45 or so Mountain Time this morning, so whenever that translates ….

    Frank[/quote]

    These were taken from an NBA.com highlight reel:

    http://img177.images...
    http://img414.images...
    http://img85.imagesh...
    http://img212.images...
    http://img177.images...

  • Raul | November 2, 2006 at 6:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”18517″][quote comment=”18513″][quote comment=”18475″][quote comment=”18449″]Count me among the guys who think that the black shamrock looks kind of stupid. Mostly, I’m stupefied by the idea of a black shamrock labeled “Red”. I mean, come on. And it’s labeled in green embroidery, making it doubly innacurate.

    Why not a red shamrock? It would make a pretty nice permanent addition to the jersey, maybe replacing that otherwise arbitrary new shamrock on the back, below the collar.[/quote]

    You my friend need to think about this a little more. Many people on this board have said that the color black is the most appropriate color for mourning a death. Black stripes have been used before by many sports teams for this purpose. The Minnesotta Twins used black this year for Kirby Puckett and no one said anything about that color not being the correct color for the occasion. The Celtics made the exact right decision with going with black. As has also been said here today, his name is Red. Why would you do a red logo? His name is Red. He is not the color red, big difference. Also, what if this happened for someone named Gray. Gray is a lot more common than Red for a name but would you say that the team messed up with using black and should have used gray instead? Insane!?!?!?!?!?[/quote]
    George Washington is dead – is the Washington memorial black?
    Abe Lincoln is dead – is the Lincoln memorial black?
    Michelangelo is dead – is his memorial Italian stamp black?
    Gauss is dead – is the German currency with his picture on it black?
    Shakespeare is dead – are any of the Globe theater recreations black?
    Bear Bryant is dead – is the Alabama memorial all black?
    Dante is dead – is the cover of the Divine Comedy black?
    Elvis is dead (maybe) – is Graceland black?

    No one will be mourning Red’s death in 30 years, it simply makes more sense to celebrate his life rather than his death. To every person the sweetest sound in any language is their name, so to add a tie in to the color of his name would be pleasing to him.[/quote]

    Ok, you obviously don’t understand the diference. When you mourn you wear black, he just died! When you create a “memorial” to someone it usually is erected or created some time after death, so when that is done you can do whatever you want to symbolize their life.

    Do you think his family wore red to the funeral because his name was Red? NO, they wore black. Last time I checked none of that stuff you mentioned was done literally days after their deaths.

    If the celtics do something in the future it probably won’t be a black shamrock.[/quote]
    I’m not going to name names, but someone doesn’t even know how to spell Celtics or difference. The argument was not about having a patch for a few weeks, it was about a permanent memorial patch (in italics above). A permanent memorial patch is by definition PERMANENT, like the Washington memorial. Mourning is not permanent, it is transitory.

  • Mark Mihalik | November 2, 2006 at 6:12 pm |

    The MLB announced the AL “Rawlings” Gold Glove winners for ’06:

    P Kenny Rogers
    C Ivan Rodriguez
    1B Mark Teixeira
    2B Mark Grudzielanek
    SS Derek Jeter
    3B Eric Chavez
    OF Torii Hunter
    OF Ichiro Suzuki
    OF Vernon Wells

    While it’s Rawlings that sponsors the award, only four of the nine players (Teixeira, Jeter, Hunter, and Wells) wear Rawlings gloves. Three wear Wilson (Rogers, Rodriguez, Grudzielanek), and the other two (Chavez, Ichiro) wear Mizuno. Not a big deal, just the kind of stuff that keeps me up at night…

  • Mark Mihalik | November 2, 2006 at 6:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”18542″]
    I’m not going to name names, but someone doesn’t even know how to spell Celtics or difference. The argument was not about having a patch for a few weeks, it was about a permanent memorial patch (in italics above). A permanent memorial patch is by definition PERMANENT, like the Washington memorial. Mourning is not permanent, it is transitory.[/quote]

    It is highly doubtful that this patch is going to become permanent. I can’t think of any instances where a memorial patch, strip, or other element becomes an official part of the uniform for an extended period of time. So, yes, this patch is for mourning, since it will likely be worn for this year and this year only.

    But more importantly, here: let’s be civil. As much as we all love Uni Watch, these discussions aren’t life or death… so no shots at spelling and grammar, and when you quote a person’s comment, you practically are naming them. Let’s chill out!

  • mike | November 2, 2006 at 6:29 pm |

    im coming out and saying it right now, if louisville wears all black tonight with black helmets, they will look BADASS

  • Chad G | November 2, 2006 at 6:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”18542″][quote comment=”18517″][quote comment=”18513″][quote comment=”18475″][quote comment=”18449″]Count me among the guys who think that the black shamrock looks kind of stupid. Mostly, I’m stupefied by the idea of a black shamrock labeled “Red”. I mean, come on. And it’s labeled in green embroidery, making it doubly innacurate.

    Why not a red shamrock? It would make a pretty nice permanent addition to the jersey, maybe replacing that otherwise arbitrary new shamrock on the back, below the collar.[/quote]

    You my friend need to think about this a little more. Many people on this board have said that the color black is the most appropriate color for mourning a death. Black stripes have been used before by many sports teams for this purpose. The Minnesotta Twins used black this year for Kirby Puckett and no one said anything about that color not being the correct color for the occasion. The Celtics made the exact right decision with going with black. As has also been said here today, his name is Red. Why would you do a red logo? His name is Red. He is not the color red, big difference. Also, what if this happened for someone named Gray. Gray is a lot more common than Red for a name but would you say that the team messed up with using black and should have used gray instead? Insane!?!?!?!?!?[/quote]
    George Washington is dead – is the Washington memorial black?
    Abe Lincoln is dead – is the Lincoln memorial black?
    Michelangelo is dead – is his memorial Italian stamp black?
    Gauss is dead – is the German currency with his picture on it black?
    Shakespeare is dead – are any of the Globe theater recreations black?
    Bear Bryant is dead – is the Alabama memorial all black?
    Dante is dead – is the cover of the Divine Comedy black?
    Elvis is dead (maybe) – is Graceland black?

    No one will be mourning Red’s death in 30 years, it simply makes more sense to celebrate his life rather than his death. To every person the sweetest sound in any language is their name, so to add a tie in to the color of his name would be pleasing to him.[/quote]

    Ok, you obviously don’t understand the diference. When you mourn you wear black, he just died! When you create a “memorial” to someone it usually is erected or created some time after death, so when that is done you can do whatever you want to symbolize their life.

    Do you think his family wore red to the funeral because his name was Red? NO, they wore black. Last time I checked none of that stuff you mentioned was done literally days after their deaths.

    If the celtics do something in the future it probably won’t be a black shamrock.[/quote]
    I’m not going to name names, but someone doesn’t even know how to spell Celtics or difference. The argument was not about having a patch for a few weeks, it was about a permanent memorial patch (in italics above). A permanent memorial patch is by definition PERMANENT, like the Washington memorial. Mourning is not permanent, it is transitory.[/quote]

    OK raul, there I left your name uncapitalized so you can go back and fix it for me. Sorry, I didn’t realize I was writing a term paper. And if you actually read what you were quoting, the topic was about the current black shamrock used on the Celtics uniform to mourn Red Auerbach, which is not a permanent “memorial”.

    I am expecting a grade for my grammer shortly.

    And to Paul and all the other readers I apologize for the immaturity of this post.

  • John B. | November 2, 2006 at 6:43 pm |

    Red Auerbach’s permanent memorial patch should be designed as a cigar label in green, red, black and metallic gold trim with a classic font, simple silhoutte of Red and a quote of his.

  • Joe Hilseberg | November 2, 2006 at 6:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”18547″] I can’t think of any instances where a memorial patch, strip, or other element becomes an official part of the uniform for an extended period of time. So, yes, this patch is for mourning, since it will likely be worn for this year and this year only.
    [/quote]

    Chicago Bears’ sleeve memorial comes to mind right away.

  • Chad G | November 2, 2006 at 6:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”18547″][quote comment=”18542″]
    I’m not going to name names, but someone doesn’t even know how to spell Celtics or difference. The argument was not about having a patch for a few weeks, it was about a permanent memorial patch (in italics above). A permanent memorial patch is by definition PERMANENT, like the Washington memorial. Mourning is not permanent, it is transitory.[/quote]

    It is highly doubtful that this patch is going to become permanent. I can’t think of any instances where a memorial patch, strip, or other element becomes an official part of the uniform for an extended period of time. So, yes, this patch is for mourning, since it will likely be worn for this year and this year only.

    But more importantly, here: let’s be civil. As much as we all love Uni Watch, these discussions aren’t life or death… so no shots at spelling and grammar, and when you quote a person’s comment, you practically are naming them. Let’s chill out![/quote]

    Sorry Mark, I responded that other person’s comment before I saw yours…

    Just so you all know, I don’t mind people disagreeing with me, that’s fine, that is how this site survives, because of people’s opinions. Go ahead tell me you think different or show how what I wrote doesn’t make sense. But when you base your argument on me being wrong on a missing letter and an uncapitalized noun I lose all respect for such a person. This is when it becomes a personal attack…

    So, all: If you don’t agree with me and you believe my other posts were not appropriate please let me know and I will try to change my attitude.

  • ACC | November 2, 2006 at 6:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”18464″][quote comment=”18455″][quote comment=”18410″]totally unrealatedly, um/osu on the 18th won’t just be the best game of the year in terms of football, but I can’t think of a better game in terms of uniforms. can anyone think of a better uniform matchup that we’ve seen this year?[/quote]

    I’m just a bit biased, but I’d have to go with UT-OU on that one.[/quote]

    Penn State @ Notre Dame[/quote]

    Booooooring.

    Best football game of the year for uniforms.
    I’ll look at the games this Sunday.
    How about Cleveland @ San Diego?
    If not then New Orleans @ Tampa Bay/

  • ACC | November 2, 2006 at 6:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”18531″][quote comment=”18440″]Kieran Darcy gives several shout outs to Uni Watch in his column on Page 2 today. He also seems to agree with the rest of uni nation that the Bucks’ uniforms are much better now that they’ve purged the purple from them.

    http://sports.espn.g...
    I noticed last night either at halftime or on SportsCenter they flashed up the logos of the teams leading into the highlights and the Bucks logo was the old purple one ESPN didn’t get the memo.[/quote]

    Sloppy ESPN.

  • ACC | November 2, 2006 at 7:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”18562″][quote comment=”18547″] I can’t think of any instances where a memorial patch, strip, or other element becomes an official part of the uniform for an extended period of time. So, yes, this patch is for mourning, since it will likely be worn for this year and this year only.
    [/quote]

    Chicago Bears’ sleeve memorial comes to mind right away.[/quote]

    I’m a little surprised the NY Giants didn’t do something permanent after Mara’s death since he was their intern in the 20s or something like that – longer than Halas was with the Bears I think.

  • John B. | November 2, 2006 at 7:06 pm |

    Best football game of the year for uniforms.
    I’ll look at the games this Sunday.
    How about Cleveland @ San Diego?
    If not then New Orleans @ Tampa Bay

    My vote is always: Bears (navy blue) v. Packers (white) 4-ever…

  • Raul | November 2, 2006 at 7:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”18558″][quote comment=”18449″]Count me among the guys who think that the black shamrock looks kind of stupid. Mostly, I’m stupefied by the idea of a black shamrock labeled “Red”. I mean, come on. And it’s labeled in green embroidery, making it doubly innacurate.

    Why not a red shamrock? It would make a pretty nice permanent addition to the jersey, maybe replacing that otherwise arbitrary new shamrock on the back, below the collar.[/quote]
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    OK raul, there I left your name uncapitalized so you can go back and fix it for me. Sorry, I didn’t realize I was writing a term paper. And if you actually read what you were quoting, the topic was about the current black shamrock used on the Celtics uniform to mourn Red Auerbach, which is not a permanent “memorial”.

    I am expecting a grade for my grammer shortly.

    And to Paul and all the other readers I apologize for the immaturity of this post.[/quote]
    http://www.uniwatchb...
    I don’t see the word “mourning” in the original post we are talking about, I do see the word “permanent”

    [quote comment=”18547″]It is highly doubtful that this patch is going to become permanent. I can’t think of any instances where a memorial patch, strip, or other element becomes an official part of the uniform for an extended period of time. So, yes, this patch is for mourning, since it will likely be worn for this year and this year only.[/quote]The bears have been wearing GSH for more than 20 years and it is in team colors, not black.

  • Brinke Guthrie | November 2, 2006 at 7:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”18335″]Paul… sorry I wasn’t around yesterday to bust out the double-branded cleat. Here it is.[/quote]

    double branded?

  • BtotheE | November 2, 2006 at 7:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”18580″][quote comment=”18335″]Paul… sorry I wasn’t around yesterday to bust out the double-branded cleat. Here it is.[/quote]

    double branded?[/quote]
    Reebok tongue and adidas stripes.

  • Mark Mihalik | November 2, 2006 at 7:56 pm |

    My bad about the Bears’ commemorative GSH patch, but I doubt the “Red” clover will become a part of the uniform. (Just a hunch, not a criticism)

    And in newer news, WVU is wearing Nike sleeves very similar to the Michigan ones noted earlier. No pics up yet…

  • Kane | November 2, 2006 at 8:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”18588″]My bad about the Bears’ commemorative GSH patch, but I doubt the “Red” clover will become a part of the uniform. (Just a hunch, not a criticism)

    And in newer news, WVU is wearing Nike sleeves very similar to the Michigan ones noted earlier. No pics up yet…[/quote]

    The WVU sleeves do not just look similar to the Michigan ones, but it appears as if they are the Michigan ones. The blue and gold looks awfully blue and maize.

  • Kane | November 2, 2006 at 8:28 pm |

    Another note, addressed specifically to Pittsburgh hockey fans (I’m looking at you Bluenoser): Did the spirit of Michel Briere resurrect itself in the form of Jordan Staal? The Penguins have two very good top lines out there right now. If only they could fill that other glaring deficit on their team!

  • Minna H | November 2, 2006 at 8:37 pm |

    Well, obviously my plea to be civil (post #94)was ignored. Thanks, Mark Mihalik for adding your plea of civility to mine. We can disagree (and we do, frequently) without resorting to nastiness. One thing I like about this site is the lighthearted kidding that goes on and the community feel. Let’s keep it fun for everyone.

    I stand by the black shamrock and this message.

  • Dave S | November 2, 2006 at 8:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”18549″]im coming out and saying it right now, if louisville wears all black tonight with black helmets, they will look BADASS[/quote]

    I was thinking the same exact thing. Too bad they went with the white.

  • Mark Mihalik | November 2, 2006 at 9:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”18596″][quote comment=”18588″]My bad about the Bears’ commemorative GSH patch, but I doubt the “Red” clover will become a part of the uniform. (Just a hunch, not a criticism)

    And in newer news, WVU is wearing Nike sleeves very similar to the Michigan ones noted earlier. No pics up yet…[/quote]

    The WVU sleeves do not just look similar to the Michigan ones, but it appears as if they are the Michigan ones. The blue and gold looks awfully blue and maize.[/quote]

    It doesn’t look like Nike puts any school branding on those shirts (at least the ones without the “culture” stuff–gator skins and spears and what not), so for all intensive purposes, they likely are just a stock blue and yellow baselayer. However, if you check out the Nike link, they actually have a “Midwest Gold” instead of maize… this could be a product photo goof, but I’m guessing that Nike made the shirts you see tonight specifically for WVU.

    Check them out–cutting off one sleeve all together looks ridiculous, but I have to say it looks better than this.

  • Chad G | November 2, 2006 at 9:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”18601″]Well, obviously my plea to be civil (post #94)was ignored. Thanks, Mark Mihalik for adding your plea of civility to mine. We can disagree (and we do, frequently) without resorting to nastiness. One thing I like about this site is the lighthearted kidding that goes on and the community feel. Let’s keep it fun for everyone.

    I stand by the black shamrock and this message.[/quote]

    Sorry about the immaturity of a couple of my posts earlier Minna…It’s tough to hold back when someone goes grammar nazi on you. But you’re right, I should have held my tongue.

  • Brinke Guthrie | November 2, 2006 at 9:42 pm |

    Uni-related due to all the Tiger “D” discussion..
    plus the fact “D” can also stand for Defense..

    Kenny Rogers wins the Gold Glove for pitchers in the AL.

    A TIGERS pitcher wins the Gold Glove. Say it out loud with just the right amt of sarcasm.

  • Brinke Guthrie | November 2, 2006 at 9:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”18584″][quote comment=”18580″][quote comment=”18335″]Paul… sorry I wasn’t around yesterday to bust out the double-branded cleat. Here it is.[/quote]

    double branded?[/quote]
    Reebok tongue and adidas stripes.[/quote]

    Huh. how does THAT occur?

  • Minna H | November 2, 2006 at 9:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”18615″]

    Sorry about the immaturity of a couple of my posts earlier Minna…It’s tough to hold back when someone goes grammar nazi on you. But you’re right, I should have held my tongue.[/quote]

    Chad G., I understand your feelings about being called out, and I got your back on the black shamrock—I even mentioned you in post #94. I was speaking less of your response than of a few posts before from today and yesterday that led up to your last posting.

    To make this uni related, I agree with Mark Mihalik (again!) that the one sleeve of WVU is marginally less ridiculous than the two-sleeve version.

  • Andy from KC | November 2, 2006 at 9:56 pm |

    The NFL is fining Chad Johnson $5000 for his “Ocho Cinco” nameplate stunt. I mean, that’s kind of like my boss fining me 75 cents for stealing paper clips, but still.

  • Dave S | November 2, 2006 at 9:57 pm |

    Did anyone notice that after Slaton fumbled on consecutive carries he removed the Nike sleeve he was wearing on his left arm? Kirk Herbstreit just mentioned it now as im typing. He does carry the ball with his left arm. Ill look for some pics.

  • bluenoser | November 2, 2006 at 9:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”18597″]Another note, addressed specifically to Pittsburgh hockey fans (I’m looking at you Bluenoser): Did the spirit of Michel Briere resurrect itself in the form of Jordan Staal? The Penguins have two very good top lines out there right now. If only they could fill that other glaring deficit on their team![/quote]
    While I am actually a Habs fan Kane I do pay the Pens special attention as Crosby and I both hail from the same part of Canada, (Nova Scotia) and with the impending glory for the Pens,(Crosby,Fleury,Malkin,Staal et al) I think now would be the ideal time for a Jersey overhaul. Some combination of new and old (70’s colors and logo with a modern touch)would be awesome! Michel Briere, one of the lesser known tragedies in all of sports!

    http://en.wikipedia....

  • Andy from KC | November 2, 2006 at 9:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”18616″]Uni-related due to all the Tiger “D” discussion..
    plus the fact “D” can also stand for Defense..

    Kenny Rogers wins the Gold Glove for pitchers in the AL.

    A TIGERS pitcher wins the Gold Glove. Say it out loud with just the right amt of sarcasm.[/quote]

    LOL … actually, I’m more shocked that a Kansas City Royal actually deserved to win an award for something.

  • Mark Mihalik | November 2, 2006 at 10:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”18618″][quote comment=”18584″][quote comment=”18580″][quote comment=”18335″]Paul… sorry I wasn’t around yesterday to bust out the double-branded cleat. Here it is.[/quote]

    double branded?[/quote]
    Reebok tongue and adidas stripes.[/quote]

    Huh. how does THAT occur?[/quote]

    Nobody knows for sure, but Nomar is one of the most superstitious players in the game, and the flaps of his old Reeboks on his Adidas cleats (who he had a contract with) was likely a superstitious thing. Who knows.

    But back on WVU… they just noted that Slaton’s one sleeve (the marginally less ridiculous one, Minna) was removed. He fumbled, and they mentioned that that might have been the reason, but he was also flexing his wrist…

  • Brinke Guthrie | November 2, 2006 at 10:05 pm |

    (espn.com)

    He lost his golden mohawk and now, unless Chad Johnson prevails on appeal, the colorful Cincinnati Bengals wide receiver is going to lose some pesos as well.

    The league has fined Johnson $5,000 for wearing “Ocho Cinco” on a Velcro nameplate across the back of his uniform jersey before last Sunday’s loss to the Atlanta Falcons. “Ocho Cinco,” signifying his uniform No. 85, is the name by which Johns

  • Chad G | November 2, 2006 at 10:11 pm |

    To me, Loisville looks better than WVU tonight, even with there black unitard. When will teams understand that when you wear white on white you either have to wear low socks or dark socks, not high whites.

  • Minna H | November 2, 2006 at 10:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”18628″]

    But back on WVU… they just noted that Slaton’s one sleeve (the marginally less ridiculous one, Minna) was removed. He fumbled, and they mentioned that that might have been the reason, but he was also flexing his wrist…[/quote]

    So now he’s sleeveless? Even better! Post a pic when you can.

  • Kane | November 2, 2006 at 10:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”18625″][quote comment=”18597″]Another note, addressed specifically to Pittsburgh hockey fans (I’m looking at you Bluenoser): Did the spirit of Michel Briere resurrect itself in the form of Jordan Staal? The Penguins have two very good top lines out there right now. If only they could fill that other glaring deficit on their team![/quote]
    While I am actually a Habs fan Kane I do pay the Pens special attention as Crosby and I both hail from the same part of Canada, (Nova Scotia) and with the impending glory for the Pens,(Crosby,Fleury,Malkin,Staal et al) I think now would be the ideal time for a Jersey overhaul. Some combination of new and old (70’s colors and logo with a modern touch)would be awesome! Michel Briere, one of the lesser known tragedies in all of sports!

    http://en.wikipedia....

    Well, you definitely are no stranger to great looking jerseys/sweaters then. The tragedy is compounded when you consider the fact that the Briere ambulance struck and killed a man on the way to the hospital. It was nice to see his number retired despite his singular season in the league. Classy move.

  • Ben | November 2, 2006 at 10:32 pm |

    I just came across a website that seems to have every single sports logo ever used- http://www.logoserve... Knowing how everyone is here this site has probrably been mentioned before but I never remember it. It doesn’t just have the regular sports leagues, but it seems to have at least 30 leagues for football and leagues for volleyball, roller hockey, lacrosse and other sports. It has team and league logos and has the logos. Just an amazing site though not as good as the one Paul talked about today.

  • Teebz | November 2, 2006 at 11:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”18597″]Another note, addressed specifically to Pittsburgh hockey fans (I’m looking at you Bluenoser): Did the spirit of Michel Briere resurrect itself in the form of Jordan Staal? The Penguins have two very good top lines out there right now. If only they could fill that other glaring deficit on their team![/quote]

    I hardly think the Penguins jerseys can be viewed as a deficit. It’s not like they wear them on the ice anymore. Between the youth movement in Pittsburgh and the Barney Rubble Hairpieces starting the season 12-0-1, there is a reason youth is favoured in today’s NHL. Jordan Staal will be a stud in the league for a long time.

  • Teebz | November 2, 2006 at 11:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”18638″]

    Well, you definitely are no stranger to great looking jerseys/sweaters then. The tragedy is compounded when you consider the fact that the Briere ambulance struck and killed a man on the way to the hospital. It was nice to see his number retired despite his singular season in the league. Classy move.[/quote]

    I’ll second that. Highly classy.

  • Josh | November 3, 2006 at 2:14 am |

    It is not unprecedented for a team to wear a non black mourning patch / band.
    When Cotton Fitzimmons died prior to the 04-05 NBA season, the Suns wore a WHITE band in memory of Cotton:

    On orange jersey
    On white jersey
    On purple jersey

  • a arauz | November 3, 2006 at 8:57 am |

    [quote comment=”18625″][quote comment=”18597″]Another note, addressed specifically to Pittsburgh hockey fans (I’m looking at you Bluenoser): Did the spirit of Michel Briere resurrect itself in the form of Jordan Staal? The Penguins have two very good top lines out there right now. If only they could fill that other glaring deficit on their team![/quote]
    While I am actually a Habs fan Kane I do pay the Pens special attention as Crosby and I both hail from the same part of Canada, (Nova Scotia) and with the impending glory for the Pens,(Crosby,Fleury,Malkin,Staal et al) I think now would be the ideal time for a Jersey overhaul. Some combination of new and old (70’s colors and logo with a modern touch)would be awesome! Michel Briere, one of the lesser known tragedies in all of sports!

    http://en.wikipedia....

    This story reminds me of Troy Archer. Giants DE real promising rookie or two year man died in a auto accident in 1979, right before the Giants were able to luck into LT….. very sad as he was a lone light (along w/ Harry Carson) on some miserable Giants’ teams.

  • J W Buchanan | November 3, 2006 at 10:17 am |

    [quote comment=”18475″][quote comment=”18449″]Count me among the guys who think that the black shamrock looks kind of stupid. Mostly, I’m stupefied by the idea of a black shamrock labeled “Red”. I mean, come on. And it’s labeled in green embroidery, making it doubly innacurate.

    Why not a red shamrock? It would make a pretty nice permanent addition to the jersey, maybe replacing that otherwise arbitrary new shamrock on the back, below the collar.[/quote]

    You my friend need to think about this a little more. Many people on this board have said that the color black is the most appropriate color for mourning a death. Black stripes have been used before by many sports teams for this purpose. The Minnesotta Twins used black this year for Kirby Puckett and no one said anything about that color not being the correct color for the occasion. The Celtics made the exact right decision with going with black. As has also been said here today, his name is Red. Why would you do a red logo? His name is Red. He is not the color red, big difference. Also, what if this happened for someone named Gray. Gray is a lot more common than Red for a name but would you say that the team messed up with using black and should have used gray instead? Insane!?!?!?!?!?[/quote]
    I’ve clearly pissed some people off, including the amazing Semantics professor above, but this wasn’t my intention. I was talking about a permanent memorial patch, but I also agree with those who think that black shouldn’t (and doesn’t)have the monopoly on memorial patches.

    I still think a red shamrock, for either purpose, makes better design sense. If they had used a red shamrock, they wouldn’t have even needed to put the lettering on there. It could just be shorthand for “Red.” Then, the patch wouldn’t have to be so big. They also wouldn’t have had to compromise on the type style to make the lettering fit within the shamrock form (which it looks like they did do).

  • Tony | November 3, 2006 at 4:31 pm |

    The Buffalo Bills put the “12th Man” on their “Wall of Fame” in 1992 (the year after they set the NFL single season attendance record).

  • Bill | May 8, 2007 at 3:50 am |

    [quote comment=”18355″]was on the 1969 College All-Star Game page and the Jets (who should’ve lost the game) are wearing what looks like training camp jerseys.[/quote]

    If I remember correctly Joe Namath talks about how the Jets were the only team that didn’t wear game uniforms furing preseason games during his tenure with the team.

  • Bill | May 8, 2007 at 3:56 am |

    ^^^^ Namath talks about it in his book 12 I believe… forgot to add that sorry