Ralph Waldo Emerson: MLB Logo Designer?

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Yesterday’s ESPN column about the different versions of the Tigers’ old English D logo (which, incidentally, should have included a shout-out to Jeffrey Sak, who first brought this issue to my attention about a year and a half ago) prompted a really fascinating response from Steve Diamond, a product designer at Nike (yes, Nike). Check it out:

I’ve been designing MLB product for a long time now, and your article about the Detroit “D” was funny, but also sad. Funny because I know how MLB works and the mess they have created, but sad because there are even more variations to the “D,” as well as the fact that there are 29 other teams that have similar or even worse problems.

Basically, years ago logos were not passed from vendor to vendor in formats such as embroidery tapes (what an embroidery machine uses to create the artwork for a cap logo or chain-stitch a jersey logo) and die patterns (like a cookie cutter that cuts out tackle twill to be appliqu�d to a jersey). A new vendor typically had to copy an existing jersey to get it right. So, essentially the jersey/caps of today are copies of copies of copies.

MLB and the clubs never kept accurate records, so [in the 1990s] MLB attempted to compile a “style guide” to digitally keep records of each team’s logos, in an effort to alleviate this problem. (This was also a legal move to accurately register each team’s trademarks.) However, they created marks that looked good for printing and web usage but never attempted to duplicate the actual marks used on the caps and jerseys. This added to the mix of logos being used by different manufacturers, furthering the mess.

Going back to Detroit, currently there are at least four Detroit “D” logos that I have seen — two used on the field and two that MLB created for their style guide.

You also touched on the Cardinals and Yankees. As you can see, the Cardinals have similar problems with the use of the “StL,” and the Yanks top all teams with five different versions of the “NY” in circulation.

As Majestic moves more and more of its Authentic jersey production overseas, the uniforms and logos will become more standardized, but we will lose the uniqueness and beauty of crafted chain-stitching and zig-zag stitching that is hard to duplicate in Asia.

On the other hand, New Era still makes all of its Authentic 5950 caps in the U.S., but their problem is the opposite: They have such a mix of old and varied machines that all their caps fit so different. Go check out a store with a Yankees Authentic 5950 and compare a handful in your size. Then look at the logos on all of them. You�ll see a variety of embroideries — the same basic NY, but some skinny, some fat, etc. This is due to older embroidery machines stitching “loose” and brand-new machines stitching “tight.” Again, overseas you would find rooms filled with all the same year, same model machines churning out consistency.

Hope that helps. Unfortunately for me, I can’t enjoy a baseball game, as I constantly think about junk like this. I’m just glad you didn�t talk about color — don’t get me started on that.

Wow — please join me in thanking Steve for all that great info.

The lesson, of course, is that logos aren’t quite so immutable as we like to think they are, especially when rendered in fabric. And as the preceding account suggests, the sports world has been a particularly poor steward of its own graphic heritage, especially when compared to other industries. Small example: Back when I worked in book publishing, about 15 years ago, I edited a book that included a short interview with the great Paul Rand, who designed a slew of iconic corporate logos. Asked if there was anything he wished he could go back and change, he said he’d drawn the little bow in the UPS logo by hand and regretted not using a compass — but when he’d asked UPS if he could go back and tweak the design, they’d said no. And that’s precisely how you avoid having multiple old English Ds floating around.

Then again, this all points to a big reason why I started Uni Watch in the first place: to help document the sports world’s design history. So we should be glad that the teams and leagues have left us with such an entertaining mess to untangle.

Research Request: I was out of the house last night and didn’t catch the Giants/Cowboys game, but lots of people wrote in to say that Terry Glenn had an Ohio State buckeye merit decal on the back of his helmet. Unfortunately, I can’t find a photo of this. If anyone DVR’d the game and can get us a screen grab, that’d be swell. Apparently the best views came during pregame warm-ups and after the Giants intercepted Drew Bledsoe with 1:33 left in the first half.

Uni Watch News Ticker: Speaking of the Tigers’ various logos, this guy‘s pretty on top of the “D-lemma,” as he calls it. … There’s a poll here on the best NFL logos. … The Phillies signed 700-year-old pitcher Jamie Moyer to a two-year extension yesterday, which as many readers have already noted means two more years of exposure for Philly’s seldom seen Liberty Bell stirrups. … Bit of speculation here about why the Vikings weren’t wearing their purple pants on Sunday. … In case you missed it in yesterday’s Comments section: Baseball players aren’t the only ones to wear windbreakers under their jerseys. Check out Steve Grogan! … Also from yesterday’s Comments section: a close-up of the little eyelet-equipped jersey patch that the Cowboys use to tie down their jerseys to their pads. … Contrary to what I wrote in yesterday’s ESPN column, the Astros do not chain-stitch their jersey insignia onto a patch and then sew that onto the jersey. They embroider directly onto the jersey (just like the Cardinals do), as seen in this shot, provided by longtime Uni Watch contributor Kevin Gee. (Here’s another view.) … Mizzou will be wearing solid-gold uniforms this weekend. … The Bears will be wearing their orange alt jerseys this Sunday. … Bonus points to the first Comments section contributor who can explain why I referenced Emerson in today’s entry title. … Even more bonus points for anyone who can explain why the hell there’s a Warhol-ized Emerson portrait floating around on the web (which you must admit looks very nice at the top of the page).

 

194 comments to Ralph Waldo Emerson: MLB Logo Designer?

  • Robert | October 24, 2006 at 8:21 am |

    Steve Grogan’s windbreaker aside, those Patriots uniforms certainly look good in that photo. I will never get used to the current atrocities, no matter how many Super Bowls the team wins.

  • ThresherK | October 24, 2006 at 8:23 am |

    Wow, am I first?

    Let’s ruminate: What color should a football helmet not be? I just think that, beyond a certain darkness, secondary colors (or black) cannot work aesthetically. There is something off when the helmet is too close in brightness (luminescence) to the jersey but a different shade.

    NFL examples which make me just wanna reach for my crayon box: Red over blue (Buffalo Bills), dark
    forest over black (Eagles alternate), or black over darker colors like teal (Jacksonville), red (Atlanta), and purple (Baltimore).

    And orange? Well, that’s…different. Lighter orange over darker jerseys like brown (Cleveland), black (Cincinnati) and navy (Syracuse) looks better than orange over royal blue (Florida Gators).

    On the NFL level, silver, white, yellow and orange account for half of the league’s helmets. There must be a uni-centric reason, right?

  • Casey | October 24, 2006 at 8:30 am |

    “Whoso would be a man must be a nonconformist.” – Emerson

    Zat what you were goin’ for? The logos don’t conform?

  • MikeToriello | October 24, 2006 at 8:42 am |

    I remember that when Parcells took over the Jets he was a proponent of swtiching back to the white helmet because it made it easier for the QB to see receivers downfield.

  • MikeToriello | October 24, 2006 at 8:45 am |

    Found a quote:

    Weeb Ewbank, the Hall of Fame coach, who was the first head coach and general manager of the Jets when today’s uniforms were first designed, said he is glad the team is returning to the 1963 uniforms, especially the white helmets.
    “I’ve been trying to get the Jets to change back to the white helmets for years. The quarterback can pick out the white helmet better on the field. When you look at a stadium it has so much green around it, in the stands and on the field, it’s hard for a quarterback to spot that green helmet. Paul Brown made sure the Browns and Bengals wore orange helmets so the quarterbacks could see the helmet. White is the next best color,” said Ewbank.

    From

  • Anthony | October 24, 2006 at 8:47 am |

    Andy Warhol was known for numerous pictures (THe Campells Soup Cans being popular) in which he’d take the same basic template and alter it slightly but still retain the main idea/goal of the object he worked with (Same with the Marilyn Monroe Painting; different color variations of the same picture…but in this case, different textures of the same logo?)

    Emerson has me lost.

  • frankenslade | October 24, 2006 at 8:50 am |

    I’m looking forward to 2 more years of Moyer and his ’70-rooted, transitional stirrups:pants ratio. The man’s old school in a way that rings true to my generation, maaaaaaannnn.

  • barney | October 24, 2006 at 8:51 am |

    Today’s Boston Globe: “An Internet blog,Uni Watch, in a submission posted on the ESPN.com website, noted that Rogers wears a batting practice cap, which has a dark underbill, rather than the standard cap worn by teammates, which has a light gray underbill. The cap, of course, has been a favorite hiding place of pitchers using illegal substances on the ball.”

  • Anthony | October 24, 2006 at 8:54 am |

    Same Anthony as guessed the Warhol usage above (and also the same Anthony that e-mailed you about a future idea for a column…the one who claims to be your doppleganger.)

    I’ll venture an Emerson guess: Emerson was known for Nondualistic tones in his work. Nondualism being the ability to remain distinct without being seperate. But in this case, it’s reversed? The Logos are slightly different, but are still distinctive to the teams they represent?

  • Sean T | October 24, 2006 at 8:55 am |

    “A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds…” Raplh Waldo Emerson

  • Kevin from Ohio in Virginia | October 24, 2006 at 8:58 am |

    There is a Nationals-esque “W” on the cover of one of his journals. Link here.

  • Kevin from Ohio in Virginia | October 24, 2006 at 9:04 am |

    It appears that the initials I mentioned above were his design and he used them on more than just the one cover.

  • Burrill | October 24, 2006 at 9:08 am |

    From the Detroit Free Press:

    Rogers also responded to a question about his cap. ESPN.com reported that he had worn a batting practice cap — one with a darker region under the bill — rather than the standard Tigers cap.

    “My head hurts with the other one,” he said. “It shrinks, and, man, I get headaches. I don’t think it’s a big deal. I’m comfortable in that hat.”

    Also, on a technical note, for those who have had trouble with tags not closing in comments, if you highlight the text you’re using and then click the button you want, it will add both the opening and closing tags around that text, and then there is no second click required to close the tag.

  • Banker Bill | October 24, 2006 at 9:10 am |

    From today’s NY Daily News:

    Seemingly every detail of the smudge situation was covered, including queries about why Rogers wears his batting practice hat when he pitches instead of a game hat. The headwear drew some attention because some wondered whether he needed that cap to help store a particular substance.

    “Actually, my head hurts with the other one,” he said. “It shrinks up after a couple of days. It’s like a half-size smaller.”

    Does that sound as “convincing” as “It was a combination of dirt and resin and spit.” If that’s the case, dirt is legal – why make him wash it off? Methinks something is afoul…..

  • Kevin from Ohio in Virginia | October 24, 2006 at 9:10 am |

    While I can’t explain why it’s circling the internet, you put the Warhol-ized Emerson photos at the top of the page because the relevance to the topic is stunning especially in relation to the Tigers’ “D” logo.

    Individually, any sports fan would look at those “D”‘s and know that it was the Tigers’ logo, but when placed next to each other it is easy to pick out their differences. The same can be said for each of the four Emersons in the Warhol-ized photo. Anyone who knows what Emerson looked like could look at one of the four pictures individually and identify him, however each of the four photos has an obvious difference from the others.

  • LunchBox | October 24, 2006 at 9:12 am |

    Just read yesterday’s ESPN Column, Paul used the image I made at the very end! Woo woo!

  • Richard | October 24, 2006 at 9:14 am |

    [quote comment="16091"]Today’s Boston Globe: “An Internet blog,Uni Watch, in a submission posted on the ESPN.com website, noted that Rogers wears a batting practice cap, which has a dark underbill, rather than the standard cap worn by teammates, which has a light gray underbill. The cap, of course, has been a favorite hiding place of pitchers using illegal substances on the ball.”[/quote]

    Saw that in the paper this morning, but I guess you beat me to it. Kudos to the Globe for mentioning the Uni Watch.

  • Kevin | October 24, 2006 at 9:18 am |

    Does anyone else find it ironic that the guy who works for Nike and deals with baseball has a last name of “Diamond”?

  • Bruce Johnson | October 24, 2006 at 9:21 am |

    [quote comment="16081"]Steve Grogan’s windbreaker aside, those Patriots uniforms certainly look good in that photo. I will never get used to the current atrocities, no matter how many Super Bowls the team wins.[/quote]

    Amen. I understand why the Pats changed their logo in the 1990’s. It was a way to revitalize a tarnished brand. That said, after 3 super bowl wins I think that the Pats could stop dressing like an expansion team.

  • ThresherK | October 24, 2006 at 9:25 am |

    [quote comment="16082"]On the NFL level, silver, white, yellow and orange account for half of the league’s helmets. [/quote]

    Uhh, yep: I did forget gold; that makes 16. Since I do my own copyediting, nobody else to blame.

    Mike Toriello while we’re on the subject, didn’t an NFL team change helmet color sometime in the modern era owing to a quarterback’s colorblindness?

    (I’ll make the first joke: Both Cowboys’ QBs can’t possibly suffer from this.)

  • Anthony | October 24, 2006 at 9:28 am |

    Quick Question for anyone willing to answer, unrelated to all of this:

    For all the hatred the color Purple gets in sportswear, is Orange really any better?

  • wooster, oh | October 24, 2006 at 9:30 am |

    “Here is the world, sound as a nut, perfect, not the smallest piece of chaos left, never a stitch nor an end, nor a mark of haste, or botching, or a second thought; but the theory of the world is a thing of shreds and patches.” —RW Emerson.

  • Paul Lukas | October 24, 2006 at 9:31 am |

    [quote comment="16093"]“A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds…” Raplh Waldo Emerson[/quote]

    Give that man a cigar.

  • Mark in Shiga | October 24, 2006 at 9:31 am |

    [i]As Majestic moves more and more of its Authentic jersey production overseas, the uniforms and logos will become more standardized, but we will lose the uniqueness and beauty of crafted chain-stitching and zig-zag stitching that is hard to duplicate in Asia.[/i]

    By this they presumably mean “hard to duplicate [b]cheaply[/b] in Asia”; Japanese uniforms have beautiful examples of this stitching, but Japanese suppliers charge an arm and a leg.

  • J.D. | October 24, 2006 at 9:36 am |

    #21: I don’t believe so, but there was a rumor going around that that’s why Vinny T threw so many interceptions when he was with the Bucs- he’s color blind and can’t distinguish between orange and green. He was long gone by the time they switched to pewter, though.

    #19: I wonder if he had anything to do with Oregon’s diamond plating…

  • Anthony | October 24, 2006 at 9:39 am |

    Now to decipher the Andy Warhol aspect…Apparently I didn’t get it…Maybe Paul’s just a Velvet Underground fan?

  • Jonathon | October 24, 2006 at 9:41 am |

    The varying ages of New Era’s hat machines finally helps me understand why I can’t order 5950s over the Internet. I know I’m a 7 1/4, but every time I ordered a hat from the web, it was too tight. I have to go to the store in person, try on several 7 1/4s, and only then will I find one that fits right.

    Damn, that always bothered me. I just figured it was moisture during shipping that caused the wool to shrink up in some of the hats.

    Does anyone know whether American Needle makes their hats in the U.S. or overseas? Their 7 1/4 actually runs a little bigger than New Era. Also New Era’s caps for the WBC ran much bigger than the MLB 5950s. I tried on a 7 1/4 USA hat, and it fell over my ears.

  • Matt | October 24, 2006 at 9:43 am |

    [quote comment="16104"][quote comment="16082"]On the NFL level, silver, white, yellow and orange account for half of the league’s helmets. [/quote]

    Uhh, yep: I did forget gold; that makes 16. Since I do my own copyediting, nobody else to blame.

    Mike Toriello while we’re on the subject, didn’t an NFL team change helmet color sometime in the modern era owing to a quarterback’s colorblindness?

    (I’ll make the first joke: Both Cowboys’ QBs can’t possibly suffer from this.)[/quote]

    I’ve heard that as an explanation of why the Bills changed their helmet from white to red in the early 80s… Joe Ferguson (the QB at the time) had a hard to telling the difference between the teams (not sure if it was because of all the teams with white helmets or the fact that he just sucked)

  • JJD | October 24, 2006 at 9:47 am |

    [quote comment="16103"][quote comment="16081"]Steve Grogan’s windbreaker aside, those Patriots uniforms certainly look good in that photo. I will never get used to the current atrocities, no matter how many Super Bowls the team wins.[/quote]

    Amen. I understand why the Pats changed their logo in the 1990’s. It was a way to revitalize a tarnished brand. That said, after 3 super bowl wins I think that the Pats could stop dressing like an expansion team.[/quote]

    No, no, NO! I think the Patriots look FANTASTIC, especially when you compares them to some of the other rebrands over the past few years. (Minnesota and Atlanta come to mind.) I liked their bright blue uniforms at first but by the time they got to Super Bowl XXXI they had those big logos on the shoulders and ugly number font AND ugly vertical stirping in the body of the jerseys…yuck! Maybe I just like the current unis that much better just by comparison.

    (Of course it could be because of my enormous man-crush on Tom Brady.)

  • Clevo | October 24, 2006 at 9:48 am |

    [quote comment="16105"]
    For all the hatred the color Purple gets in sportswear, is Orange really any better?[/quote]

    It’s all in how you use it. THe Browns using Orange for the helmets and stripes, fine. I couldn’t imagine them any other way. THe Browns orange alt unis- a disaster. Same with the Bears.

    The Tigers use of Orange as an accent is fine. If they had orange jerseys that would be going too far. Although I was not opposed to the 1980’s Orioles orange pullovers. Call me crazy.

    As far as purple goes, I liked the Vikings old unis. While purple is not my choice for a team color, thier unis were very much theirs. You see purple and yellow on a football field, you think Vikings. The tweaks they implemented this year for the sake of modernizing added to a garish color like purple make the uniforms almost unable to look at. I guess the same could be said for the old Broncos unis vs the current design.

    In Sumation- orange or purple are OK, its all in how you use it.

  • Paul Lukas | October 24, 2006 at 9:50 am |

    [quote comment="16104"]didn’t an NFL team change helmet color sometime in the modern era owing to a quarterback’s colorblindness?[/quote]

    Sort of: the Bills. They theorized that Joe Ferguson was throwing so many INTs because of all the other white-helmeted teams in the AFC East (Jets, Colts, Pats, Dolphins). That’s how the Bills ended up with red helmets. But it wasn’t because they thought Ferguson was colorblind — they just thought he was having a hard time picking out his own receivers amidst all the white helmets he was seeing.
    Footnote: Ferguson’s INT total actually went up the following season.

    About the Emerson illustration: There’s no trick question — I was just saying, “Whoa, what a weird guy to get the Warhol treatment, why the hell would anyone do that?”

  • Dave | October 24, 2006 at 9:54 am |

    Anyone notice Terry Glenn had a buckeye leaf sticker on his helmet last night?

  • Daniel | October 24, 2006 at 9:57 am |

    It’s all in how you use it. THe Browns using Orange for the helmets and stripes, fine. I couldn’t imagine them any other way. THe Browns orange alt unis- a disaster. Same with the Bears.

    So you’re saying Clemson can’t wear their orange unis?

  • todd krevanchi (krvanch) | October 24, 2006 at 10:01 am |

    lets look at weeb’s thinking…

    if the qb can pick up a white helmet easier and quicker than any other color, that would mean that while on the defensive end, the opposing qb would also “pick up” the white helmets easier and quicker therein either
    a. causing for more interceptions or incompletions
    or
    b. forcing an extra split second of decision making time to discern who exactly is the right player to throw to
    either way, ewbanks greatest accomplishment came in super bowl iii
    http://www.nfl.com/u...
    each with white hats…
    however, earl morrall did throw 3 picks…

    either way i look at it, an athlete should know who his teammates are and what they look like (or at least what colors they wear)

  • Nik | October 24, 2006 at 10:02 am |

    [quote comment="16118"]Anyone notice Terry Glenn had a buckeye leaf sticker on his helmet last night?[/quote]

    Yeah, Paul wrote it in the blog.

  • Richard | October 24, 2006 at 10:04 am |

    [quote comment="16118"]Anyone notice Terry Glenn had a buckeye leaf sticker on his helmet last night?[/quote]

    this was mentioned in the post, and if you have evidence, we’d love for you to share it.

  • Tape | October 24, 2006 at 10:05 am |

    [quote comment="16105"]Quick Question for anyone willing to answer, unrelated to all of this:

    For all the hatred the color Purple gets in sportswear, is Orange really any better?[/quote]

    yes. yes it is.

    (not my favorite color or anything…)

  • Tape | October 24, 2006 at 10:09 am |

    [quote comment="16113"][quote comment="16103"][quote comment="16081"]Steve Grogan’s windbreaker aside, those Patriots uniforms certainly look good in that photo. I will never get used to the current atrocities, no matter how many Super Bowls the team wins.[/quote]

    Amen. I understand why the Pats changed their logo in the 1990’s. It was a way to revitalize a tarnished brand. That said, after 3 super bowl wins I think that the Pats could stop dressing like an expansion team.[/quote]

    No, no, NO! I think the Patriots look FANTASTIC, especially when you compares them to some of the other rebrands over the past few years. (Minnesota and Atlanta come to mind.) I liked their bright blue uniforms at first but by the time they got to Super Bowl XXXI they had those big logos on the shoulders and ugly number font AND ugly vertical stirping in the body of the jerseys…yuck! Maybe I just like the current unis that much better just by comparison.

    (Of course it could be because of my enormous man-crush on Tom Brady.)[/quote]

    the current Pats unis are… tolerable at best. the first 90s redesign with the royal blue was very horrible.

    if they went back to the classic look (as in the Grogan picture), I don’t think anyone would honestly miss what they wear now.

  • Anthony | October 24, 2006 at 10:19 am |

    I probably should have made my Purple question a bit more specific: The main point of the question was not just to belittle Orange entirely, but just to state that for all the flack that Purple gets around here, it is not the only color that can be seen as being a major offender of sports aesthetics. But the main gripe is that it seems that around here (“seems” being the key word) as if Purple apparently can have no justifiable inclusion with a sports team no matter how small or large the quantity, while other colors can be just as gaudy given the right circumstances.

    So it just seems as if Purple gets a bad rap for more than just aesthetics. If it’s a dislike based on how often teams try to incorporate Purple compared to other colors that likely have a better track record (like, say, Current Denver Nugget/Throwback San Diego Charger Light Blue), then I understand.

  • Riley | October 24, 2006 at 10:20 am |

    That’s really interesting about the New Era hats. I have always wondered why a 7 3/8 doesn’t always fit like a 7 3/8 (although, down in the US they always fit perfectly, and up here in Canada I always have to try on a few so I still think they’re sending the crap ones up here). The stitching part is interesting to because I noticed this summer when I bought a new Angels cap that the stitching wasn’t nearly as raised (and in my opinion doesn’t look as good) as my old one.[quote comment="16096"]From the Detroit Free Press:

    Rogers also responded to a question about his cap. ESPN.com reported that he had worn a batting practice cap — one with a darker region under the bill — rather than the standard Tigers cap.

    “My head hurts with the other one,” he said. “It shrinks, and, man, I get headaches. I don’t think it’s a big deal. I’m comfortable in that hat.”
    [/quote]

    I don’t know Kenny. I seem to have the opposite problem, so that story seems weird to me.

  • Matt | October 24, 2006 at 10:30 am |

    [quote comment="16128"]That’s really interesting about the New Era hats. I have always wondered why a 7 3/8 doesn’t always fit like a 7 3/8 (although, down in the US they always fit perfectly, and up here in Canada I always have to try on a few so I still think they’re sending the crap ones up here). The stitching part is interesting to because I noticed this summer when I bought a new Angels cap that the stitching wasn’t nearly as raised (and in my opinion doesn’t look as good) as my old one.[quote comment="16096"]From the Detroit Free Press:

    Rogers also responded to a question about his cap. ESPN.com reported that he had worn a batting practice cap — one with a darker region under the bill — rather than the standard Tigers cap.

    “My head hurts with the other one,” he said. “It shrinks, and, man, I get headaches. I don’t think it’s a big deal. I’m comfortable in that hat.”
    [/quote]

    I don’t know Kenny. I seem to have the opposite problem, so that story seems weird to me.[/quote]

    it makes perfect sense… wool does have a tendancy to shrink (go throw you wool sweater in the wash and dryer and see what happens)… polyester is less likely to shrink…

  • RIch | October 24, 2006 at 10:38 am |

    While watching the NE-BUF reply on NFL On Demand, I noticed Dick Juron (coach of the Bills) wearing a hat with the old Buffalo logo.

    I think it was this one:

  • RIch | October 24, 2006 at 10:39 am |
  • Kenny | October 24, 2006 at 10:40 am |

    I know the Emerson think was answered already but when I was looking for it, I came across this

    Occasionally, there was a dig at what some perceived as Emerson’s “Yankee shrewdness” overpowering his thirst for spiritual awareness. So ardent an Emersonian as James Russell Lowell could not resist a satiric thrust at his idol in his

    Fable for Critics (1848):
    …his [Emerson's] is, we may say,
    A Greek head on right Yankee shoulders,
    whose range
    Has Olympus for one pole, for t’other the
    [Stock] Exchange.

    From this article

    Not exactly sure what it is supposed to mean, but when i saw “Yankee shrewdness”, I thought of the 5 Yankee logos

  • BJ | October 24, 2006 at 10:45 am |

    I remember an article from an the SI NFL roundup mag from 1995 when Carolina and Jax got teams. It was all about how teal and black were the “in” colors for new sports teams.

    With the exception of the Dolphins, all the teams I can think of that use teal as a color are products of the 90’s.

    My list:
    SJ Sharks, Mighty Ducks (original unis), Hornets, Carolina Panthers, Jags, Marlins. Several teams also expanded/changed their jersey selection to include Teal: Pistons and Islanders come to mind.

    As a Dol-phan (yes, it’s tough) I think I have a bias toward the Teal/Aqua that they wear. But it bothers me that all of these newer teams have taken on the color out of fashion.

  • barney | October 24, 2006 at 10:48 am |

    if they went back to the classic look (as in the Grogan picture), I don’t think anyone would honestly miss what they wear now.

    Prefer the old Pats look (because of the logo), but I think the jerseys should be blue and not red. The minutemen/Pats fought the “red”coats, right?

  • todd krevanchi (krvanch) | October 24, 2006 at 10:50 am |

    [quote comment="16127"]
    So it just seems as if Purple gets a bad rap for more than just aesthetics. [/quote]

    ive often wondered this same thing here. its no secret that the author of this blog is not a fan of purple. its been readily noted even before the blog came along. but, is it just me or does it seem like every responder here hates purple as well? is this the truth or has the opionion of one influenced that of the others. im indifferent to the color i guess because seeing the vikes or the rockies really doesnt bother me at all, but i do understand how we (myself included) are easily influenced by what we see, read or hear. just curious i guess…

    on the issue of fitted hats, new era, american needle, sports specialties, twins enterprises or top of the world, i never have been able to pick up the right size on the first shot and have it fit right. since i only get the franchise hat now, i have to pick up about 10 larges before i get one that fits right. online ordering can get tossed out the window for me, unless i order a box of larges, keep one and return the rest.

    as far as the hat shrinking, of course they do. they all do. but you are in the mlb kenny, they are free, pick out 5 hats that fit prior to the game and when you “feel them” shrink after a bit of use, put another one on. iwouldnt want an mlb’er to get a headache.

  • Jason | October 24, 2006 at 10:53 am |

    Is there any way to reference the entire list of NFL logos, from top to bottom? I’m curious as to what the bottom few are from a designer point of view.

  • RIch | October 24, 2006 at 10:56 am |

    [quote comment="16135"]if they went back to the classic look (as in the Grogan picture), I don’t think anyone would honestly miss what they wear now.

    Prefer the old Pats look (because of the logo), but I think the jerseys should be blue and not red. The minutemen/Pats fought the “red”coats, right?[/quote]

    When the pats came into being, most people in Boston followed the Giants. So the last thing Billy Sullivan (the orig owner) wanted was a team that reminded everyone of the Giants.

  • Jason | October 24, 2006 at 10:57 am |

    If you look at the voting for NFL logos, there must be a lot of Eagles haters. They are the lowest ranked logo but have the third-most votes. I actually like the logo in all its left-facing glory.

  • Jim | October 24, 2006 at 11:00 am |

    I hate, hate, hate the Bears’ orange jersey.

    When you have a classic look like the Bears do, why mess with it?

  • Jeff | October 24, 2006 at 11:32 am |

    I think I’ve found a FIFTH Detroit logo!

    http://hollywood.out...

  • Jonathan | October 24, 2006 at 11:35 am |

    [quote comment="16139"][quote comment="16135"]if they went back to the classic look (as in the Grogan picture), I don’t think anyone would honestly miss what they wear now.

    Prefer the old Pats look (because of the logo), but I think the jerseys should be blue and not red. The minutemen/Pats fought the “red”coats, right?[/quote]

    When the pats came into being, most people in Boston followed the Giants. So the last thing Billy Sullivan (the orig owner) wanted was a team that reminded everyone of the Giants.[/quote]

    How come we’re not KILLING Grogan for wearing sleeves that don’t match the color of his uniform. If we are all true to what we preach around here shouldn’t Grogan have “Ditched the Blue” windbreaker in favor of something red?
    It kinda looks like he was wearing his Members Only jacket to the stadium that day, realized how cold it was and decided to leave it on under his game jersey

  • Kenny | October 24, 2006 at 11:37 am |

    [quote comment="16137"][quote comment="16127"]
    So it just seems as if Purple gets a bad rap for more than just aesthetics. [/quote]

    ive often wondered this same thing here. its no secret that the author of this blog is not a fan of purple. its been readily noted even before the blog came along. but, is it just me or does it seem like every responder here hates purple as well? is this the truth or has the opionion of one influenced that of the others. im indifferent to the color i guess because seeing the vikes or the rockies really doesnt bother me at all, but i do understand how we (myself included) are easily influenced by what we see, read or hear. just curious i guess…

    on the issue of fitted hats, new era, american needle, sports specialties, twins enterprises or top of the world, i never have been able to pick up the right size on the first shot and have it fit right. since i only get the franchise hat now, i have to pick up about 10 larges before i get one that fits right. online ordering can get tossed out the window for me, unless i order a box of larges, keep one and return the rest.

    as far as the hat shrinking, of course they do. they all do. but you are in the mlb kenny, they are free, pick out 5 hats that fit prior to the game and when you “feel them” shrink after a bit of use, put another one on. iwouldnt want an mlb’er to get a headache.[/quote]

    The old Vikings jersey was pretty good looking and especially the away jersey, the new ones just have no direction and are too busy

    The purple Clemson wore was a somewhat darker shade, which made it look somewhat OK, just too much purple going on there, the jersey they wore would have looked good with white pants

    or yellow

    This might be too much as well

    Good use
    Bad use

    I think what it comes down to with me is the use or misuse of purple and as a matter of fact any color…some colors just go better with some of the designs that are out there

  • Forrest | October 24, 2006 at 11:42 am |

    [quote comment="16141"]I hate, hate, hate the Bears’ orange jersey.

    When you have a classic look like the Bears do, why mess with it?[/quote]

    Did you intend for those to reduce in size as they went along? It would have been cooler to flip it. Rawr! Orange is coming at you!

  • Fraser | October 24, 2006 at 11:43 am |

    For those of you in Manhattan with hat issues, you can go to New Era’s store at 9 East 4th Street, and they actually have a hat stretcher in the store so that you can expand your hat using steam on site, its very cool.

    Putting it around your knee and pulling on it (you can hear some popping) is also a good way to expand your hat after it shrinks a bit.

    This store is amazing for all of you hat junkies out there

    New Era Flagship Store

  • Eric | October 24, 2006 at 11:48 am |

    Purple isn’t evil.
    It spawned one of the great nick-names in sports: the 1970s Vikes “Purple People Eaters”.
    Also it makes sense in the Rockies color sceme: “From purple mountains majesty beyond the fruited plains.”
    And The Philadelphia Phantoms are named for the purple-clad comic book hero. So obviously they wear purple.
    And purple has a long and storied history, from Wilt and West to Shaq and Kobe, as the color of the Lakers. How could anyone argue that the team from LA-LA Land shouldn’t wear purple.
    So why all the hatin’ on purple?

  • Fraser | October 24, 2006 at 11:48 am |

    It seems that New Era is making a Hat Museum while I am on their site.

  • Kerry | October 24, 2006 at 11:50 am |

    [quote comment="16146"]The purple Clemson wore was a somewhat darker shade, which made it look somewhat OK, just too much purple going on there, the jersey they wore would have looked good with white pants

    or yellow

    This might be too much as well

    Good use
    Bad use

    I think what it comes down to with me is the use or misuse of purple and as a matter of fact any color…some colors just go better with some of the designs that are out there[/quote]
    I COULDN’T agree with you MORE.

    THIS is how purple is suppossed to look.

  • Jonathon | October 24, 2006 at 11:53 am |

    [quote comment="16141"]I hate, hate, hate the Bears’ orange jersey.

    When you have a classic look like the Bears do, why mess with it?[/quote]

    anyone notice that there are 2 different bears’ orange alts? look at the stripes on the urlacher jersey, and then compare it to the other two photos.

  • Kerry | October 24, 2006 at 12:04 pm |

    [quote comment="16153"][quote comment="16141"]I hate, hate, hate the Bears’ orange jersey.

    When you have a classic look like the Bears do, why mess with it?[/quote]

    anyone notice that there are 2 different bears’ orange alts? look at the stripes on the urlacher jersey, and then compare it to the other two photos.[/quote]
    Or, for an easier comparison….check out the color of the numbers on the 2 unis.

  • Tape | October 24, 2006 at 12:10 pm |

    [quote comment="16127"]But the main gripe is that it seems that around here (“seems” being the key word) as if Purple apparently can have no justifiable inclusion with a sports team no matter how small or large the quantity, while other colors can be just as gaudy given the right circumstances.

    So it just seems as if Purple gets a bad rap for more than just aesthetics.[/quote]

    For me, it’s not the color itself, it’s the horrible things that people do with it.

    The old (before this year) Vikings unis were great. elegant, good color scheme. the new ones they’re stuck with now at gaudy and way too busy. also, the shade of purple is different now and there’s almost no yellow in the unis at all, which makes them look even worse I think.

    as for Clemson: purple and orange are not a good combo. that’s the main problem there. I could see if they were primarily orange and white with some purple thrown in for accent, but what they’re doing now is not good.

    actually, yellow is really the only color I can think of that goes well with purple.

    I do think purple and metallics work pretty well together. purple and silver or purple and gold are pretty decent combos.

    basically, what it comes down to is that with purple, as with everything else, it’s not that you’re using it, it’s how you’re using it.

    …which is basically why any team that did not have black as a major part of its color scheme before 1991 (when the White Sox returned full-time to what they’re wearing now) needs to stop using it already, for the love of all that is holy.

  • Anthony Memme | October 24, 2006 at 12:11 pm |

    [quote comment="16153"][quote comment="16141"]I hate, hate, hate the Bears’ orange jersey.

    When you have a classic look like the Bears do, why mess with it?[/quote]

    anyone notice that there are 2 different bears’ orange alts? look at the stripes on the urlacher jersey, and then compare it to the other two photos.[/quote]

    Also notice that the Urlacher jersey has navy numbers with white outline whereas the others are reversed.

  • Tape | October 24, 2006 at 12:16 pm |

    [quote comment="16157"][quote comment="16153"][quote comment="16141"]I hate, hate, hate the Bears’ orange jersey.

    When you have a classic look like the Bears do, why mess with it?[/quote]

    anyone notice that there are 2 different bears’ orange alts? look at the stripes on the urlacher jersey, and then compare it to the other two photos.[/quote]

    Also notice that the Urlacher jersey has navy numbers with white outline whereas the others are reversed.[/quote]

    I kinda like the white number/navy outline ones…

    just not for the Bears. it reminds me of the old Broncos’ unis, you know, from the pre-winning-the-Super-Bowl days when they looked damn sharp, instead of the horseshit (pun intended) they wear now.

  • Tape | October 24, 2006 at 12:18 pm |

    [quote comment="16158"]it reminds me of the old Broncos’ unis, you know, from the pre-winning-the-Super-Bowl days when they looked damn sharp[/quote]

    you know, these.

  • graham | October 24, 2006 at 12:21 pm |

    Does anyone else think that maybe Todd Jones’ sleeves are the same length, but that he just pulls one up to give his pitching arm more range of motion? Look at any of the pictures of him with the “shorter” sleeve, the shoulder area is always really bunched up. Evidence that they are the same length here: http://img.slate.com...

  • Giancarlo | October 24, 2006 at 12:23 pm |

    Another Dol-phan here (waiting for next year already). Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I always thought of aquamarine (Dolphins) and teal (Marlins; Jaguars) as being two different colors. Isn’t aquamarine a perfect balance between green & blue, whereas teal falls slightly more toward the blue end of the scale? Throughout the 70s and 80s I never heard the word teal applied to the Dolphins, in fact I seldom heard the word at all.

  • Double J | October 24, 2006 at 12:24 pm |

    man I cant fint a pic to Terry Glenn’s Buckeye sticker anywhere!!!!!!!

  • zep | October 24, 2006 at 12:29 pm |

    I’m sure some of you know TDF podium jersey’s zip in the back…gut its a little ironic that they already had one premade for lance before it even started.

    http://www.thepaceli...

  • zep | October 24, 2006 at 12:30 pm |
  • Jonathon | October 24, 2006 at 12:31 pm |

    [quote comment="16162"]Another Dol-phan here (waiting for next year already). Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I always thought of aquamarine (Dolphins) and teal (Marlins; Jaguars) as being two different colors. Isn’t aquamarine a perfect balance between green & blue, whereas teal falls slightly more toward the blue end of the scale? Throughout the 70s and 80s I never heard the word teal applied to the Dolphins, in fact I seldom heard the word at all.[/quote]

    As a Jag fan, I definitely agree they are 2 different colors. Here’s a good gallery for comparison:
    http://www.firstcoas...

  • bo | October 24, 2006 at 12:32 pm |

    Played ball my entire life. New Era fitted’s deffinitally shrink after sweatage. Its the main reason i buy a new one. Its also why they tell you when you buy a hat to make sure you can fit two fingers between the hat and your head, so that when it shrinks it fits. If you just wear the hat casually then obviously you wont need to do that cuz you wont be sweating and it wont shrink.

  • Kevin | October 24, 2006 at 12:33 pm |

    [quote comment="16160"]Does anyone else think that maybe Todd Jones’ sleeves are the same length, but that he just pulls one up to give his pitching arm more range of motion? Look at any of the pictures of him with the “shorter” sleeve, the shoulder area is always really bunched up. Evidence that they are the same length here: http://img.slate.com...[/quote]

    I happen to agree with you. In every picture posted on this blog or the ESPN column as evidence of a shortened sleeve, there is bunching on his right arm/shoulder area.

  • Michael | October 24, 2006 at 12:34 pm |

    Thank you so much for posting that letter regarding the hat stitching machines…I wrote you a few months back wondering why replica caps were so often poorly stitched when compared to pictures of the era, and now I know that the machines are mixed up between old and new versions, and that leads to the inconsistencies…now, to order a custom cap that will fit the bill, so to speak…

  • Kevin | October 24, 2006 at 12:38 pm |

    [quote comment="16168"][quote comment="16160"]Does anyone else think that maybe Todd Jones’ sleeves are the same length, but that he just pulls one up to give his pitching arm more range of motion? Look at any of the pictures of him with the “shorter” sleeve, the shoulder area is always really bunched up. Evidence that they are the same length here: http://img.slate.com...[/quote]

    I happen to agree with you. In every picture posted on this blog or the ESPN column as evidence of a shortened sleeve, there is bunching on his right arm/shoulder area.[/quote]

    Here are the 2 pictures Paul referenced in the ESPN.com column yesterday. There is a ton of bunching on the right sleeve in both of them, plenty to allow the sleeve to fall back down the arm to a level equal to the left arm.

  • The Gov'Nah | October 24, 2006 at 12:49 pm |

    I think the Colorado Rockies uni’s look terrific. since Purple is not the dominant color, it fits in quite well.

    anyone else agree ?

  • ACC | October 24, 2006 at 12:55 pm |

    [quote comment="16103"][quote comment="16081"]Steve Grogan’s windbreaker aside, those Patriots uniforms certainly look good in that photo. I will never get used to the current atrocities, no matter how many Super Bowls the team wins.[/quote]

    Amen. I understand why the Pats changed their logo in the 1990’s. It was a way to revitalize a tarnished brand. That said, after 3 super bowl wins I think that the Pats could stop dressing like an expansion team.[/quote]

    I may be in the dark here but what is wrong with the Patriots unis these days besides a repetitive logo? There way, way better than the 1993 disasters.

  • Josh | October 24, 2006 at 12:56 pm |

    [quote comment="16111"]The varying ages of New Era’s hat machines finally helps me understand why I can’t order 5950s over the Internet. I know I’m a 7 1/4, but every time I ordered a hat from the web, it was too tight. I have to go to the store in person, try on several 7 1/4s, and only then will I find one that fits right.

    Damn, that always bothered me. I just figured it was moisture during shipping that caused the wool to shrink up in some of the hats.

    Does anyone know whether American Needle makes their hats in the U.S. or overseas? Their 7 1/4 actually runs a little bigger than New Era. Also New Era’s caps for the WBC ran much bigger than the MLB 5950s. I tried on a 7 1/4 USA hat, and it fell over my ears.[/quote]

    I don’t know where American Needle’s hats are made but they don’t fit well due to the fact that they are an acrylic / wool blend as opposed to New Era’s 100% wool. I don’t like American Needle’s hats.

  • Ian K | October 24, 2006 at 12:58 pm |

    [quote comment="16116"][quote comment="16104"]didn’t an NFL team change helmet color sometime in the modern era owing to a quarterback’s colorblindness?[/quote]

    Sort of: the Bills. They theorized that Joe Ferguson was throwing so many INTs because of all the other white-helmeted teams in the AFC East (Jets, Colts, Pats, Dolphins). That’s how the Bills ended up with red helmets. But it wasn’t because they thought Ferguson was colorblind — they just thought he was having a hard time picking out his own receivers amidst all the white helmets he was seeing.
    Footnote: Ferguson’s INT total actually went up the following season.
    [/quote]

    What about weather reasons? It snows more in Buffalo than some other AFC East cities. A red helmet would contrast a grass field OR a snowy field.

  • Joe Hilseberg | October 24, 2006 at 1:01 pm |

    “The creation of a thousand forests is in one acorn.” — Ralph Waldo Emerson

    This seems fitting as well.

  • ACC | October 24, 2006 at 1:02 pm |

    [quote comment="16141"]I hate, hate, hate the Bears’ orange jersey.

    When you have a classic look like the Bears do, why mess with it?[/quote]

    Hey man, nobody is messing with it!

    It’s a THIRD jersey. Geez. Get over it.

  • Josh | October 24, 2006 at 1:02 pm |

    Last week I posted that the Suns took the numbers off their shorts.
    Last night I attended their preseason game against Seattle, and I noticed the Sonics also took their numbers off the shorts. I don’t know if the NBA banned shorts numbers or if it is just easier to not get the numbers done. I know from a friend who is close with the Suns equip. mgr. that getting numbers on all the shorts was a pain in the ass.

  • ACC | October 24, 2006 at 1:07 pm |

    [quote comment="16162"]Another Dol-phan here (waiting for next year already). Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I always thought of aquamarine (Dolphins) and teal (Marlins; Jaguars) as being two different colors. Isn’t aquamarine a perfect balance between green & blue, whereas teal falls slightly more toward the blue end of the scale? Throughout the 70s and 80s I never heard the word teal applied to the Dolphins, in fact I seldom heard the word at all.[/quote]

    You’re right it’s aqua. The Jaguars are teal. The Panthers shouldn’t even be in these discussions. They’re blue. I’m so tired of all this griping about colors – not by you but others who whine about new colors being introduced as though every team should be red white and blue.

  • dchis | October 24, 2006 at 1:14 pm |

    [quote comment="16177"][quote comment="16141"]I hate, hate, hate the Bears’ orange jersey.

    When you have a classic look like the Bears do, why mess with it?[/quote]

    Hey man, nobody is messing with it!

    It’s a THIRD jersey. Geez. Get over it.[/quote]

    Ok to go over the Bears “Orange” Jersey history is quite simple. They used to wear the orange jersey and now it is a throwback. The jersey with the white numbers with blue outline go with white pants and are a throwback. The jersey with the blue numbers and white outline are the Bears current alternate uniform and are paired with their blue pants. Also, the socks that go with the orange jersey – white pants uniform are very different from their regular socks. They are blue with orange stipes at the bottom.

    And also the Bears “ORANGE” Throwback Jerseys are very sharp and classic. They don’t mess with any tradition or anything. They are a great uniform.

  • Nate M | October 24, 2006 at 1:18 pm |

    Justifying Purple:

    I know there aren’t many purple fans around here, but since we are on a literary kick today, I thought I’d bring up how the University of Washington students picked purple and gold as their colors. From gohuskies.com:

    Washington’s school colors, Purple and Gold, were adopted in 1892 by a vote of a student assembly on the original downtown Seattle campus. One patriotic group favored Red, White and Blue as the University’s colors, reasoning that “since the school was named after the father of our country, our national colors should be the school’s colors.” The opposing faction argued that national colors should not be degraded for such everyday use. The debate was ended when a young English instructor, Miss Frazier, stood and read the following excerpt from Lord Byron’s “Destruction of Sennacherib.”

    “The Assyrian came down like the wolf on the fold,
    And his cohorts were gleaming in purple and gold;
    And the sheen of their spears was like stars on the sea,
    And the blue wave rolls nightly on deep Galilee.”

    Emerson and now Lord Byron. How high minded of us.

  • Chad | October 24, 2006 at 1:29 pm |

    [quote comment="16181"][quote comment="16177"][quote comment="16141"]I hate, hate, hate the Bears’ orange jersey.

    When you have a classic look like the Bears do, why mess with it?[/quote]

    Hey man, nobody is messing with it!

    It’s a THIRD jersey. Geez. Get over it.[/quote]

    Ok to go over the Bears “Orange” Jersey history is quite simple. They used to wear the orange jersey and now it is a throwback. The jersey with the white numbers with blue outline go with white pants and are a throwback. The jersey with the blue numbers and white outline are the Bears current alternate uniform and are paired with their blue pants. Also, the socks that go with the orange jersey – white pants uniform are very different from their regular socks. They are blue with orange stipes at the bottom.

    And also the Bears “ORANGE” Throwback Jerseys are very sharp and classic. They don’t mess with any tradition or anything. They are a great uniform.[/quote]

    When did the Bears wear orange besides recently?

  • justin | October 24, 2006 at 1:33 pm |

    I’ve always thought that Univ of Washington’s purple and gold was a great look. I admit, I’m a little bias being a UW grad and all. But regardless, I’ve thought that the two colors paired together can be very classy (the key being the use of gold, not yellow).

  • dchis | October 24, 2006 at 1:37 pm |

    [quote comment="16184"][quote comment="16181"][quote comment="16177"][quote comment="16141"]I hate, hate, hate the Bears’ orange jersey.

    When you have a classic look like the Bears do, why mess with it?[/quote]

    Hey man, nobody is messing with it!

    It’s a THIRD jersey. Geez. Get over it.[/quote]

    Ok to go over the Bears “Orange” Jersey history is quite simple. They used to wear the orange jersey and now it is a throwback. The jersey with the white numbers with blue outline go with white pants and are a throwback. The jersey with the blue numbers and white outline are the Bears current alternate uniform and are paired with their blue pants. Also, the socks that go with the orange jersey – white pants uniform are very different from their regular socks. They are blue with orange stipes at the bottom.

    And also the Bears “ORANGE” Throwback Jerseys are very sharp and classic. They don’t mess with any tradition or anything. They are a great uniform.[/quote]

    When did the Bears wear orange besides recently?[/quote]

    In the 1930’s.

  • todd krevanchi (krvanch) | October 24, 2006 at 1:39 pm |

    according to previous photo evidence, this is the bears orange alternate game jersey
    http://encyclopedia....

    however on the nflshop.com site, the blue numbered and white numbered orange jerseys are listed as replica alternate jerseys

  • Kenny | October 24, 2006 at 1:40 pm |

    [quote comment="16177"][quote comment="16141"]I hate, hate, hate the Bears’ orange jersey.

    When you have a classic look like the Bears do, why mess with it?[/quote]

    Hey man, nobody is messing with it!

    It’s a THIRD jersey. Geez. Get over it.[/quote]

    Plus they only wear it around Halloween…something the Bengals should think about

  • concealed78 | October 24, 2006 at 1:41 pm |

    [quote comment="16151"]It seems that New Era is making a Hat Museum while I am on their site.[/quote]

    Question for you all regards to that link. On the bottom pic w/ the 6 caps… the Braves never wore a white front paneled cap with that uppercase A, did they? Where is that from? A never-used design?

    I wish New Era would actually reproduce some of those old baseball hats instead of all these stupid fashion-multipattern designs. Also wondering if New Era is going to keep making the retro caps with the wool (tho I’m assuming not)

    Also, thanks to Steve about the MLB info , and thanks Paul, for shedding the light on the embroidery of the Cardinals uniforms from yesterday’s entry, something I noticed over the years but couldn’t quite put my finger on. Wish more teams did that with their jerseys.

  • Kenny | October 24, 2006 at 1:48 pm |

    [quote comment="16189"][quote comment="16177"][quote comment="16141"]I hate, hate, hate the Bears’ orange jersey.

    When you have a classic look like the Bears do, why mess with it?[/quote]

    Hey man, nobody is messing with it!

    It’s a THIRD jersey. Geez. Get over it.[/quote]

    Plus they only wear it around Halloween…something the Bengals should think about[/quote]

    They played th 49ers last year on 11/13, so nevermind on that theory

  • JJ | October 24, 2006 at 1:48 pm |

    A little off topic for today, but following up on the variation of Yankee logos, it seems that there are specific uses for each one. To the untrained eye, it seems that MLB’s on-field logo isn’t all that different from the one the Yankees use at home games. But when you get to see their batting practice jerseys, replica jerseys, or warmup (or dugout) jackets you really start to see how differntiated the logos are.

    In fact, the only place where I personally see their on-field logo is, surprise, on the field at home games. Could this just be a merchandising effort to further differentiate their authentic jerseys from pretty much everything else?

    I really started to see the differences amongst all the logos when I came across a few blank authentic pinstriped jerseys, and thought I’d “create” some of my own. As a stickler for detail, I went through no less than 3 variations of patches before I came across the real deals (don’t even get me started on the different typography available) and proceeded to teach myself how to sew. After a lot of trial-and-error, I finished with a few hand-sewn, customized jerseys with close to perfect patch placement. I was ecstatic!

    But in the end, I really hope that MLB, and really, every professional league, stays away from automated processes and retains the uniqueness and beauty of hand-created unis. There are some things that just cannot be duplicated.

  • Alex | October 24, 2006 at 1:51 pm |

    If Todd Jones has not had his sleeve shortened and is simply bunching it up which some of you have mentioned then there must be something holding the jersey up (perhaps something pinned to his undershirt). Some of the snapshots are directly after a pitch and I can’t imagine the sleeve staying up that well all on its own. I also don’t see Jones tugging at the sleeve to keep it up constantly during his outings. something fishy here

  • Kevin | October 24, 2006 at 1:53 pm |

    [quote comment="16141"]I hate, hate, hate the Bears’ orange jersey.

    When you have a classic look like the Bears do, why mess with it?[/quote]

    Easy answer to sell Bears fans another jersey. I am a Chicagoan and do hate the orange jersey but do see them pretty regularly around the area.

  • New Orleans | October 24, 2006 at 1:56 pm |

    Regarding the Detroit Tigers old-English “D”, when I was a kid back in the sixties I had a real Detroit Tigers game cap (the kind with the leather head band inside) and the finely embroidered “D” on the front had a rounded upper right corner rather than the present “D” cap logo with the jagged upper right corner. So apparently the Tigers’ “D” cap logo has gone through more than one iteration.

  • SpartyCuse | October 24, 2006 at 1:59 pm |

    [quote comment="16190"][quote comment="16151"]It seems that New Era is making a Hat Museum while I am on their site.[/quote]

    Question for you all regards to that link. On the bottom pic w/ the 6 caps… the Braves never wore a white front paneled cap with that uppercase A, did they? Where is that from? A never-used design?

    I wish New Era would actually reproduce some of those old baseball hats instead of all these stupid fashion-multipattern designs. Also wondering if New Era is going to keep making the retro caps with the wool (tho I’m assuming not)

    Also, thanks to Steve about the MLB info , and thanks Paul, for shedding the light on the embroidery of the Cardinals uniforms from yesterday’s entry, something I noticed over the years but couldn’t quite put my finger on. Wish more teams did that with their jerseys.[/quote]

    The New Era museum is supposed to open in a year or so, in downtown Buffalo.

  • barney | October 24, 2006 at 2:01 pm |

    ACC, I try to be very objective re: the Pats since I’m one of the few New Englanders that roots against them every week. My main problem is the “flying Elvis/Tin Man” logo and secondarily the side panels on the shirts. I do appreciate their blue pants and striped socks. I would just prefer the use of the old logo with blue shirts at home and blue pants on the road. Whether or not they use silver or white as their secondary color doesn’t really matter.

  • Jeff | October 24, 2006 at 2:01 pm |

    Interesting logo creep/sponsorship thing I noticed with the Toronto Raptors. Check out the following photo:

    http://www.nba.com/g...

    So the “Raptors wear Reebok”, huh? (Check the banner.) I see some nike shoes and some “blatanly-Adidas” workout unis, but nary a stitch of Reebok-branded clothing on an actual Raptor. Wondering how stuff like that happens.

  • Andy | October 24, 2006 at 2:18 pm |

    On the topic of NFL helmets…I thought it was great when the Giants got away from the slanted GIANTS on their helmet and went back to the simple ny.

    So why does mlb.com sell NFL merchandise anyway?

  • concealed78 | October 24, 2006 at 2:27 pm |

    oh ya, you can add the Cubs to the list of teams who embroider their home uniform logo (tho it is a patch sewn on).

  • Kerry | October 24, 2006 at 2:30 pm |

    [quote comment="16162"]Another Dol-phan here (waiting for next year already). Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I always thought of aquamarine (Dolphins) and teal (Marlins; Jaguars) as being two different colors. Isn’t aquamarine a perfect balance between green & blue, whereas teal falls slightly more toward the blue end of the scale? Throughout the 70s and 80s I never heard the word teal applied to the Dolphins, in fact I seldom heard the word at all.[/quote]
    Not sure…..but this is starting to fall to far into the “chick” zone for me!

  • Kenny | October 24, 2006 at 2:33 pm |

    [quote comment="16196"][quote comment="16141"]I hate, hate, hate the Bears’ orange jersey.

    When you have a classic look like the Bears do, why mess with it?[/quote]

    Easy answer to sell Bears fans another jersey. I am a Chicagoan and do hate the orange jersey but do see them pretty regularly around the area.[/quote]

    Yeah same with jerseys that people buy at Wal-mart because they are not real fans and do not want to spend the money on a good replica jersey…i’ve seen jerseys with this on the sleeve only

  • Will | October 24, 2006 at 2:47 pm |

    [quote comment="16201"]Interesting logo creep/sponsorship thing I noticed with the Toronto Raptors. Check out the following photo:

    http://www.nba.com/g...

    So the “Raptors wear Reebok”, huh? (Check the banner.) I see some nike shoes and some “blatanly-Adidas” workout unis, but nary a stitch of Reebok-branded clothing on an actual Raptor. Wondering how stuff like that happens.[/quote]

    And look at the shoes of the guy in the foreground

  • Nolan | October 24, 2006 at 2:49 pm |

    [quote comment="16190"][quote comment="16151"]It seems that New Era is making a Hat Museum while I am on their site.[/quote]

    I wish New Era would actually reproduce some of those old baseball hats instead of all these stupid fashion-multipattern designs. Also wondering if New Era is going to keep making the retro caps with the wool (tho I’m assuming not)

    [/quote]

    They do make older hats, they are part of the cooperstown collection. Here’s two I’ve bought this year: Expos and Padres
    Note how they are “as worn on the field”, so no MLB logo to fuss up the back of the cap.

  • Will | October 24, 2006 at 2:49 pm |

    Lots of swooshes in the other pics too

  • Burrill | October 24, 2006 at 2:51 pm |

    this is starting to fall to far into the “chick” zone for me!

    No, that would be a pink jersey.

    Uh oh. Where’s Minna?

    (Although I think I suffered severe eye damage when someone mentioned the Pistons’ teal jerseys. And there wasn’t even a picture. Shudder.)

  • Jonathon | October 24, 2006 at 3:03 pm |

    [quote comment="16178"]Last week I posted that the Suns took the numbers off their shorts.
    Last night I attended their preseason game against Seattle, and I noticed the Sonics also took their numbers off the shorts. I don’t know if the NBA banned shorts numbers or if it is just easier to not get the numbers done. I know from a friend who is close with the Suns equip. mgr. that getting numbers on all the shorts was a pain in the ass.[/quote]

    maybe it’s just a preseason thing – like the red wings’ non-arched nameplates

  • Nick J | October 24, 2006 at 3:06 pm |

    I think you guys are being too hard on Clemson’s purple unis.

    They look great when they wear Orange-Purple-Orange.

  • Jonathon | October 24, 2006 at 3:07 pm |

    [quote comment="16188"]according to previous photo evidence, this is the bears orange alternate game jersey
    http://encyclopedia....

    however on the nflshop.com site, the blue numbered and white numbered orange jerseys are listed as replica alternate jerseys[/quote]

    now there’s another one – white numbers, but 3 blue stripes. the original post had 1) white numbers with blue/white/blue stripes & 2) blue numbers with blue/blue/blue stripes

    the link above is a 3rd version?

  • Richard | October 24, 2006 at 3:11 pm |

    [quote comment="16205"][quote comment="16162"]Another Dol-phan here (waiting for next year already). Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I always thought of aquamarine (Dolphins) and teal (Marlins; Jaguars) as being two different colors. Isn’t aquamarine a perfect balance between green & blue, whereas teal falls slightly more toward the blue end of the scale? Throughout the 70s and 80s I never heard the word teal applied to the Dolphins, in fact I seldom heard the word at all.[/quote]
    Not sure…..but this is starting to fall to far into the “chick” zone for me![/quote]

    listening to this topic, I was just thinking of which one of you will have a Milwaukee’s Best can fall on your head.

  • Cotton | October 24, 2006 at 3:11 pm |

    Danny White used to wear a non-matching blue shirt under his white jersey. Don’t think it was a windbreaker, but it was a bad look.

  • Chad | October 24, 2006 at 3:11 pm |

    [quote comment="16215"][quote comment="16188"]according to previous photo evidence, this is the bears orange alternate game jersey
    http://encyclopedia....

    however on the nflshop.com site, the blue numbered and white numbered orange jerseys are listed as replica alternate jerseys[/quote]

    now there’s another one – white numbers, but 3 blue stripes. the original post had 1) white numbers with blue/white/blue stripes & 2) blue numbers with blue/blue/blue stripes

    the link above is a 3rd version?[/quote]

    Actually the post earlier had one with blue numbers and Blue/white/blue stripes, and the same one you just pictured(white numbers, 3 blue stripes)

  • Jonathon | October 24, 2006 at 3:14 pm |

    Looks like Japan has picked up the “pajama” problem. Shame, considering all those high school pics with players wearing stirrups we’ve seen on the news ticker in recent weeks. also, check out chunichi’s road unis – still wearing white pants (very 1980s Cubs if you ask me)

    http://sports.yahoo....

  • Kerry | October 24, 2006 at 3:24 pm |

    [quote comment="16210"]this is starting to fall to far into the “chick” zone for me!

    No, that would be a pink jersey.

    Uh oh. Where’s Minna?

    (Although I think I suffered severe eye damage when someone mentioned the Pistons’ teal jerseys. And there wasn’t even a picture. Shudder.)[/quote]
    I just meant all the discussion about the different hues of blue.

  • Mike | October 24, 2006 at 3:25 pm |

    I know for a fact that the Mizzou Tigers will not be wearing solid gold uniforms this week. I’m not sure where this info came from, There have been rumors flying around columbia, but there are no gold jerseys even in existance as of right now.

  • todd krevanchi (krvanch) | October 24, 2006 at 3:27 pm |

    [quote comment="16215"][quote comment="16188"]according to previous photo evidence, this is the bears orange alternate game jersey
    http://encyclopedia....

    however on the nflshop.com site, the blue numbered and white numbered orange jerseys are listed as replica alternate jerseys[/quote]

    now there’s another one – white numbers, but 3 blue stripes. the original post had 1) white numbers with blue/white/blue stripes & 2) blue numbers with blue/blue/blue stripes

    the link above is a 3rd version?[/quote]

    i think the orange jersey with the blue numbers is simply one of the reebok generated noveltly color jerseys. an alternate color for a jersey, but not THE alternate colored jersey.
    similar to this 49ers one…
    http://ec1.images-am...
    this tampa one
    http://ec1.images-am...
    or this favre one
    http://tsa.imageg.ne...

  • concealed78 | October 24, 2006 at 3:29 pm |

    [quote comment="16220"]

    http://sports.yahoo....

    Wow, that Fighters jersey looks awful and cheap. Do they use tissue-paper mesh or something? (I know it’s been covered here)

  • The Gov'Nah | October 24, 2006 at 3:32 pm |

    [quote comment="16206"][quote comment="16196"][quote comment="16141"]I hate, hate, hate the Bears’ orange jersey.

    When you have a classic look like the Bears do, why mess with it?[/quote]

    Easy answer to sell Bears fans another jersey. I am a Chicagoan and do hate the orange jersey but do see them pretty regularly around the area.[/quote]

    Yeah same with jerseys that people buy at Wal-mart because they are not real fans and do not want to spend the money on a good replica jersey…i’ve seen jerseys with this on the sleeve only[/quote]

    Kenny, i’m sure you know this comment was wrong and uncalled for. i hope you are not telling me i have to spend money to be a “real” fan.

  • Brandon Davis | October 24, 2006 at 3:36 pm |

    I wondered if other teams have the same problems as the A’s – it drives me nuts looking at all of the different variation. Granted, the A’s moved from Philadelphia to KC to Oakland and had Charlie Finley tweaking with the unis but we won’t even get into that.

    The current ballclub mark is this.

    The left serif is pointy on the on-field cap, as seen here.

    The sleeve patch looks like the older A used back in Philly as seen here.

    In ’94, the jersey’s script A was changed to this.

    On a lot of things it looks like this.

    Then it looks fatter with the point as seen here.

    There are a host of other A’s floating around there. I don’t have a photo of a helmet right now but those are also a different A, more similar to this.

  • Brandon Davis | October 24, 2006 at 3:38 pm |

    Strange, the link for the on-field cap doesn’t work. Let’s try it again.

  • dchis | October 24, 2006 at 3:41 pm |

    [quote comment="16226"][quote comment="16215"][quote comment="16188"]according to previous photo evidence, this is the bears orange alternate game jersey
    http://encyclopedia....

    however on the nflshop.com site, the blue numbered and white numbered orange jerseys are listed as replica alternate jerseys[/quote]

    now there’s another one – white numbers, but 3 blue stripes. the original post had 1) white numbers with blue/white/blue stripes & 2) blue numbers with blue/blue/blue stripes

    the link above is a 3rd version?[/quote]

    i think the orange jersey with the blue numbers is simply one of the reebok generated noveltly color jerseys. an alternate color for a jersey, but not THE alternate colored jersey.
    similar to this 49ers one…
    http://ec1.images-am...
    this tampa one
    http://ec1.images-am...
    or this favre one
    http://tsa.imageg.ne...

    This Bears jersey is a real alternate uniform. It isn’t a jersey that you can just buy that isn’t a real game used jersey. It’s the real deal.

  • ThresherK | October 24, 2006 at 3:52 pm |

    [quote comment="16133"]I know the Emerson think was answered already but when I was looking for

    it, I came across this

    Occasionally, there was a dig at what some perceived as Emerson’s “Yankee shrewdness”

    overpowering his thirst for spiritual awareness.

    Not exactly sure what it is supposed to mean, but when i saw “Yankee shrewdness”, I thought of the 5

    Yankee logos[/quote]

    Yankee shrewdess? I know it’s not like the LA Lakers or Utah Jazz, but Yankees homo

    sapiens are from New England. Yankees pinstripes are from New York! Red Sox Nation (I’m

    not a member) is full of Yankees homo sapiens.

    I don’t want to start a border war (“That’s not the real West!” “You’re not from the

    South!”). However, being from Connecticut, some folks don’t even consider me a Yankee. To wit,

    the idea being “You’re not a Vermonter, your great-great-great grandparents aren’t from here.”

  • Ian K | October 24, 2006 at 3:52 pm |

    [quote comment="16185"]I’ve always thought that Univ of Washington’s purple and gold was a great look. I admit, I’m a little bias being a UW grad and all. But regardless, I’ve thought that the two colors paired together can be very classy (the key being the use of gold, not yellow).[/quote]

    I agree with you. The purple-and-yellow look of the Vikings and LA Lakers is too straining on the eyes. U-Dub looks good with the gold, as does TCU, with a purple-and-white combo. Of course, I’m biased being a TCU grad. But props to Northwestern too.

  • STL CARDS 4 LIFE | October 24, 2006 at 3:54 pm |

    Uniwatch just got a mention on the Dan Patrick Show on ESPN Radio — someone wrote in with a question concerning the latest article with The Gambler’s alternative cap.

    DP didn’t dwell on it too long; however.

  • ThresherK | October 24, 2006 at 3:55 pm |

    Yuck. I blame the formatting on a lack of sleep.

  • MetsFan AZ | October 24, 2006 at 3:55 pm |

    Uniwatch’s mention of the BP cap with its black underbrim in the Dirtgate stroy gets a brief mention on the Dan Patrick show.

  • ACC | October 24, 2006 at 4:01 pm |

    [quote comment="16238"][quote comment="16185"]I’ve always thought that Univ of Washington’s purple and gold was a great look. I admit, I’m a little bias being a UW grad and all. But regardless, I’ve thought that the two colors paired together can be very classy (the key being the use of gold, not yellow).[/quote]

    I agree with you. The purple-and-yellow look of the Vikings and LA Lakers is too straining on the eyes. U-Dub looks good with the gold, as does TCU, with a purple-and-white combo. Of course, I’m biased being a TCU grad. But props to Northwestern too.[/quote]

    NFL Ravens do this combo best -purple, old gold, and black.

  • Minna H | October 24, 2006 at 4:03 pm |

    [quote comment="16210"]this is starting to fall to far into the “chick” zone for me!

    No, that would be a pink jersey.

    Uh oh. Where’s Minna?

    (Although I think I suffered severe eye damage when someone mentioned the Pistons’ teal jerseys. And there wasn’t even a picture. Shudder.)[/quote]

    Right here, damn it, Burrill. There’s no call for that, none at all! Sheesh. Pink my a**!

    As for teal vs. aquamarine vs. whatever—don’t know and don’t care. Guess that means I’m not a chick.

    Purple: I don’t think everyone on this site is anti-purple. Paul is, but that’s well-known and we humor him because it’s his awesome site. Like others have said, it’s how the purple is used. Old Vikings unis = good. New Vikes unis = bad. LSU unis = good. Clemson unis = bad. Like that.

    Black: I will proudly stand up for this color—except when FSU used it in their ‘tribute’ unis.

    That’s as color-obsessed as it gets for this female. I’ll let you boys get back to your discussion on teal vs. aquamarine.

  • LunchBox | October 24, 2006 at 4:04 pm |

    I always wondered about the old Lions jerseys…

    When did this color blue Lions jersey change to this different blue color (or vice versa)?

  • ACC | October 24, 2006 at 4:15 pm |

    [quote comment="16247"]I always wondered about the old Lions jerseys…

    When did this color blue Lions jersey change to this different blue color (or vice versa)?[/quote]

    This is disconcerting. Their official color is Honolulu blue. Which one is it?

  • nastykjn | October 24, 2006 at 4:27 pm |

    [quote comment="16089"]I’m looking forward to 2 more years of Moyer and his ‘70-rooted, transitional stirrups:pants ratio. The man’s old school in a way that rings true to my generation, maaaaaaannnn. [/quote]

    Maybe Moyer can get this on his stirrups as well.

  • clay | October 24, 2006 at 4:31 pm |

    does anybody know why the chicago c isnt symetrical(spelling?). here It looks to me like the top end of the c is smaller than the bottom end. and the top of the c looks wider than the bottom. is this some sort of optical illusion. also the Reds C looks kind of opposite of the bears C only at the ends, i realize the part where the top and bottom part meet are different. and on a side note on the helmets i see when chicago plays the top of the C seems to angle downward. here. is this because of the curve of the helmet or someting? i cant get the link to work so here is the website.
    http://www.raisport....

  • Philly Bill | October 24, 2006 at 4:34 pm |

    [quote comment="16247"]I always wondered about the old Lions jerseys…

    When did this color blue Lions jersey change to this different blue color (or vice versa)?[/quote]

    I think it went darker just a few years ago, but it might be that the addition of the atrocious black accents is deceiving my eyes: http://www.thelionsf...

    Either way, says here it’s Matt Millen’s fault.

  • LunchBox | October 24, 2006 at 4:37 pm |

    [quote comment="16254"][quote comment="16247"]I always wondered about the old Lions jerseys…

    When did this color blue Lions jersey change to this different blue color (or vice versa)?[/quote]

    I think it went darker just a few years ago, but it might be that the addition of the atrocious black accents is deceiving my eyes: http://www.thelionsf...

    Either way, says here it’s Matt Millen’s fault.[/quote]

    No.. it wasn’t when they went to the black. I remember in the early-mid 90’s having the lighter color Barry Sanders jersey, and my friend had a darker blue color which I liked better, but had no idea there was two different ones.

    Could it just be the company who made the jerseys?

  • BJ | October 24, 2006 at 4:40 pm |

    [quote comment="16162"]Another Dol-phan here (waiting for next year already). Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I always thought of aquamarine (Dolphins) and teal (Marlins; Jaguars) as being two different colors. Isn’t aquamarine a perfect balance between green & blue, whereas teal falls slightly more toward the blue end of the scale? Throughout the 70s and 80s I never heard the word teal applied to the Dolphins, in fact I seldom heard the word at all.[/quote]

    I know they’re not the exact same shade (we can’t all be the Cubs and Dodgers). Actually, I think the Hornets, Marlins, and Carolina all use a lighter shade than the Jags and Sharks.

    What I was going for was that the color had a burst of popularity between 1988 and 1995, in which a significant number of expansion teams and redesigned unis had the color featured in them.

  • Mike D. | October 24, 2006 at 4:44 pm |

    [quote comment="16130"][quote comment="16128"]That’s really interesting about the New Era hats. I have always wondered why a 7 3/8 doesn’t always fit like a 7 3/8 (although, down in the US they always fit perfectly, and up here in Canada I always have to try on a few so I still think they’re sending the crap ones up here). The stitching part is interesting to because I noticed this summer when I bought a new Angels cap that the stitching wasn’t nearly as raised (and in my opinion doesn’t look as good) as my old one.[quote comment="16096"]From the Detroit Free Press:

    Rogers also responded to a question about his cap. ESPN.com reported that he had worn a batting practice cap — one with a darker region under the bill — rather than the standard Tigers cap.

    “My head hurts with the other one,” he said. “It shrinks, and, man, I get headaches. I don’t think it’s a big deal. I’m comfortable in that hat.”
    [/quote]

    I don’t know Kenny. I seem to have the opposite problem, so that story seems weird to me.[/quote]

    it makes perfect sense… wool does have a tendancy to shrink (go throw you wool sweater in the wash and dryer and see what happens)… polyester is less likely to shrink…[/quote]

    Batting practice hats (New Era Model 3930) aren’t actually fitted. Instead, they have a stretch band that provides a more flexible fit.

    Furthermore, BP hats come in three different sizes to accomodate varying ranges of fits: Small/Medium (Fits 6 5/8 – 7), Medium/Large (7 1/8 – 7 5/8), and Large/X-Large (7 3/4 – 8).

  • Chris | October 24, 2006 at 4:44 pm |

    [quote comment="16195"]If Todd Jones has not had his sleeve shortened and is simply bunching it up which some of you have mentioned then there must be something holding the jersey up (perhaps something pinned to his undershirt). Some of the snapshots are directly after a pitch and I can’t imagine the sleeve staying up that well all on its own. I also don’t see Jones tugging at the sleeve to keep it up constantly during his outings. something fishy here[/quote]

    You can definitely tell from this photo I posted yesterday that the right sleeve isn’t shorter.

    http://us.i1.yimg.co...

    There are a few more on Yahoo sports as well.

  • dchis | October 24, 2006 at 4:45 pm |

    [quote comment="16263"][quote comment="16195"]If Todd Jones has not had his sleeve shortened and is simply bunching it up which some of you have mentioned then there must be something holding the jersey up (perhaps something pinned to his undershirt). Some of the snapshots are directly after a pitch and I can’t imagine the sleeve staying up that well all on its own. I also don’t see Jones tugging at the sleeve to keep it up constantly during his outings. something fishy here[/quote]

    You can definitely tell from this photo I posted yesterday that the right sleeve isn’t shorter.

    http://us.i1.yimg.co...

    There are a few more on Yahoo sports as well.[/quote]

    It still looks shorter than the other.

  • Chris | October 24, 2006 at 4:49 pm |

    Here’s another one.

    http://sports.yahoo....

  • aaron | October 24, 2006 at 5:11 pm |

    there was speculation (even by the idiotic twin cities media) that the vikings ditched the purple pants in order to win more games, or something equally assinine, but that is not the case at all. this past summer, when the uni’s were revealed at the mall of america, it was shown there that the vikings would have three uni combos, the purple on white, the white on purple, and the 3rd alternate, white on white. in this picture, you can see all three combinations available to the team.

    in essence, this combination was expected and planned, not some exciting mid-season change.

  • Chuck Ryals | October 24, 2006 at 5:16 pm |

    wow! some great posts today, starting with Steve Diamond, thanks Steve!

  • ACC | October 24, 2006 at 5:20 pm |

    [quote comment="16268"]there was speculation (even by the idiotic twin cities media) that the vikings ditched the purple pants in order to win more games, or something equally assinine, but that is not the case at all. this past summer, when the uni’s were revealed at the mall of america, it was shown there that the vikings would have three uni combos, the purple on white, the white on purple, and the 3rd alternate, white on white. in this picture, you can see all three combinations available to the team.

    in essence, this combination was expected and planned, not some exciting mid-season change.[/quote]

    Thank you for bringing sanity to this discussion. I had lost all respect for a new head coach who is so superstitious he will ditch an entire pants due to one road loss. Ridiculous.

  • Pedro | October 24, 2006 at 5:39 pm |

    Back to New Era MLB hats:

    Someone mentioned earlier that they bought an Angels hat and noticed the logo stitching wasnt 3D or “popping out”. The Angels hat is one of the few in MLB in which the majority of the logo doesnt “pop-out”. Only the halo sticks out. I think it has to do with the different shades of red and different colors in the logo. It seems it is true since the other teams w/ flat logos also have lots of colors or shades: the Orioles, and Blue Jays. Any others anyone?

  • Matthew S. | October 24, 2006 at 5:44 pm |

    [quote comment="16137"][quote comment="16127"]
    So it just seems as if Purple gets a bad rap for more than just aesthetics. [/quote]

    ive often wondered this same thing here. its no secret that the author of this blog is not a fan of purple. its been readily noted even before the blog came along. but, is it just me or does it seem like every responder here hates purple as well? is this the truth or has the opionion of one influenced that of the others. im indifferent to the color i guess because seeing the vikes or the rockies really doesnt bother me at all, but i do understand how we (myself included) are easily influenced by what we see, read or hear. just curious i guess…

    on the issue of fitted hats, new era, american needle, sports specialties, twins enterprises or top of the world, i never have been able to pick up the right size on the first shot and have it fit right. since i only get the franchise hat now, i have to pick up about 10 larges before i get one that fits right. online ordering can get tossed out the window for me, unless i order a box of larges, keep one and return the rest.

    as far as the hat shrinking, of course they do. they all do. but you are in the mlb kenny, they are free, pick out 5 hats that fit prior to the game and when you “feel them” shrink after a bit of use, put another one on. iwouldnt want an mlb’er to get a headache.[/quote]

    I personally don’t hate purple, but I hate how it’s used in almost every uniform in sports (Rockies, current Vikings, TCU, Northwestern). I think the only purple uniform that I genuinely liked was the previous Vikings uniforms. Much like the Bills uniforms of the 90s, they were classic and simple, but both organizations saw fit to change–and in the process, destroy–their uniforms. ‘If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it’ may be a cliché, but it’s truth is laid out on the fields of Minnesota and Buffalo for all to see.

  • Matthew S. | October 24, 2006 at 6:04 pm |

    University of Washington’s were always good too and so were the Rockies Purple pinstripes.

    I guess the overarching point to all of this is that (and this may have already been mentioned) you can misuse just about any color, no matter it’s greatness. Orange, red, and gold are great colors. But there are those who say that the Astros misused them when they adapted their ‘Tequila Sunrise’ jerseys in the mid 1970s (I would never say that though as I love those jerseys, but hate the orange hates they wore with them until 1981).

    And let’s not bring up the purple Vikings pants, you don’t want to give the team the idea of going purple head to toe.

  • Matthew S. | October 24, 2006 at 6:05 pm |

    I meant ‘hats’ not ‘hates’. I sometimes think faster than I type…

  • ACC | October 24, 2006 at 6:18 pm |

    [quote comment="16278"][quote comment="16137"][quote comment="16127"]
    So it just seems as if Purple gets a bad rap for more than just aesthetics. [/quote]

    ive often wondered this same thing here. its no secret that the author of this blog is not a fan of purple. its been readily noted even before the blog came along. but, is it just me or does it seem like every responder here hates purple as well? is this the truth or has the opionion of one influenced that of the others. im indifferent to the color i guess because seeing the vikes or the rockies really doesnt bother me at all, but i do understand how we (myself included) are easily influenced by what we see, read or hear. just curious i guess…

    on the issue of fitted hats, new era, american needle, sports specialties, twins enterprises or top of the world, i never have been able to pick up the right size on the first shot and have it fit right. since i only get the franchise hat now, i have to pick up about 10 larges before i get one that fits right. online ordering can get tossed out the window for me, unless i order a box of larges, keep one and return the rest.

    as far as the hat shrinking, of course they do. they all do. but you are in the mlb kenny, they are free, pick out 5 hats that fit prior to the game and when you “feel them” shrink after a bit of use, put another one on. iwouldnt want an mlb’er to get a headache.[/quote]

    I personally don’t hate purple, but I hate how it’s used in almost every uniform in sports (Rockies, current Vikings, TCU, Northwestern). I think the only purple uniform that I genuinely liked was the previous Vikings uniforms. Much like the Bills uniforms of the 90s, they were classic and simple, but both organizations saw fit to change–and in the process, destroy–their uniforms. ‘If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it’ may be a cliché, but it’s truth is laid out on the fields of Minnesota and Buffalo for all to see.[/quote]

    “Destroy”? Settle down man. Your cliches don’t cut it. How were the Bills uniforms of the 90s classic? Does making it to four Super Bowls mean you have classic unis? Not really. They were simple and boring – leave it at that. The Vikings had fine uniforms but when there’s a change in ownership chances are there will be new uniforms. Get used to it.

  • Paul Lukas | October 24, 2006 at 6:36 pm |

    [quote comment="16285"]“Destroy”? Settle down man. Your cliches don’t cut it.[/quote]

    Personal invective has no place here — please refrain from it.

  • Jeff E. | October 24, 2006 at 6:40 pm |

    [quote comment="16257"][quote comment="16254"][quote comment="16247"]I always wondered about the old Lions jerseys…

    When did this color blue Lions jersey change to this different blue color (or vice versa)?[/quote]

    I think it went darker just a few years ago, but it might be that the addition of the atrocious black accents is deceiving my eyes: http://www.thelionsf...

    Either way, says here it’s Matt Millen’s fault.[/quote]

    No.. it wasn’t when they went to the black. I remember in the early-mid 90’s having the lighter color Barry Sanders jersey, and my friend had a darker blue color which I liked better, but had no idea there was two different ones.

    Could it just be the company who made the jerseys?[/quote]

    I would say that’s the most likely explanation. When the Colts switched to grey facemaskes couple years ago, they darkened the blue on their uniforms too. It was supposedly a return to the blue used in Baltimore. The owner had said that due to changing uniform manufacturers a few times, the blue had lightened up since coming to Indy.

  • redemske | October 24, 2006 at 6:56 pm |

    You suck, close tags.

  • Kris McInnis | October 24, 2006 at 7:02 pm |

    I’d be amazed if no one has pointed this out already, but I just stumbled across these through the ESPN online shop. I don’t know what to think (other than at least the scale levels are correct). That is unless I was really jonesing to look like the front page the Wednesday edition of the Daily Bugle. You can get the matching knit cap if you really wanted the complete the look. I’d also suggest you start hanging around this guy more often.

    Bo knows Greyscale.

  • Kris McInnis | October 24, 2006 at 7:05 pm |

    Oops. Here’s the first missing link from the above post. Now maybe my sarcasm will make sense.

  • Vegas4BOC | October 24, 2006 at 7:16 pm |

    It seems as though the latest craze is to go “vintage”. You see it in regular clothes now. Vintage T-Shirts, man the kids now are dressing exactly how I dressed in junior high school back then. When jerseys in the 90’s were coming out in new colors, the vibe I was getting was old school was drab, Patriots, Jets, etc. looked too old and worn out. Now after another 15-20 years of more modern look, we all start the bandwagon for “vintage”, “old school”, “retro”….

    It’s all in how the fashion industry and clothing line apparel makers that set trends. It’s what is happening now. Teams that trot out Bold looks tend to get hammered pretty hard by us folks. It’s cool to see the Chargers in their baby-blues, and Bills with the old standing Buffalo and 70’s look. It’s a way to reminisce in day’s of our youth. Everyone has their preference in style, that’s the fun of it.

  • Graf Zeppelin | October 24, 2006 at 7:50 pm |

    I remember the Joe Ferguson thing with the Bills in ’84. Joe was pushing 40 by then and threw a lot of INTs, and the Bills had the Colts, Pats and Dolphins in the division (Jets had been wearing green helmets since ’77). Joe and the Bills had a lousy season anyway (2-14, as I recall) and he was gone thereafter, replaced by the similarly-aged Vince Ferragamo in ’85 and USFL refugee Jim Kelly in ’86.

    In addition to the red shell, the Bills also reversed the helmets’ center stripes (blue-red-blue to red-blue-red) and added white stripes on either side thereof. The red helmet retained the blue facemask through the ’86 season.

  • Steve Prudente | October 24, 2006 at 8:48 pm |

    Don’t know if anyone suggested this yet, but Emerson once wrote “To be great is to be misunderstood.” Being that this is a great misunderstanding, maybe they wanted to be misunderstood…?

  • Vegas4BOC | October 24, 2006 at 8:57 pm |

    Sabres goalie Marty Biron finally got his white mask painted.

    http://img331.images...

  • Matthew | October 24, 2006 at 9:16 pm |

    [quote comment="16285"][quote comment="16278"][quote comment="16137"][quote comment="16127"]
    So it just seems as if Purple gets a bad rap for more than just aesthetics. [/quote]

    ive often wondered this same thing here. its no secret that the author of this blog is not a fan of purple. its been readily noted even before the blog came along. but, is it just me or does it seem like every responder here hates purple as well? is this the truth or has the opionion of one influenced that of the others. im indifferent to the color i guess because seeing the vikes or the rockies really doesnt bother me at all, but i do understand how we (myself included) are easily influenced by what we see, read or hear. just curious i guess…

    on the issue of fitted hats, new era, american needle, sports specialties, twins enterprises or top of the world, i never have been able to pick up the right size on the first shot and have it fit right. since i only get the franchise hat now, i have to pick up about 10 larges before i get one that fits right. online ordering can get tossed out the window for me, unless i order a box of larges, keep one and return the rest.

    as far as the hat shrinking, of course they do. they all do. but you are in the mlb kenny, they are free, pick out 5 hats that fit prior to the game and when you “feel them” shrink after a bit of use, put another one on. iwouldnt want an mlb’er to get a headache.[/quote]

    I personally don’t hate purple, but I hate how it’s used in almost every uniform in sports (Rockies, current Vikings, TCU, Northwestern). I think the only purple uniform that I genuinely liked was the previous Vikings uniforms. Much like the Bills uniforms of the 90s, they were classic and simple, but both organizations saw fit to change–and in the process, destroy–their uniforms. ‘If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it’ may be a cliché, but it’s truth is laid out on the fields of Minnesota and Buffalo for all to see.[/quote]

    “Destroy”? Settle down man. Your cliches don’t cut it. How were the Bills uniforms of the 90s classic? Does making it to four Super Bowls mean you have classic unis? Not really. They were simple and boring – leave it at that. The Vikings had fine uniforms but when there’s a change in ownership chances are there will be new uniforms. Get used to it.[/quote]

    I’ll grant that the Bills’ were not the most exciting uniforms, but they looked good and they followed the KISS rule (Keep It Simple Stupid) and were infinitely better than the abominations they wear now. Same goes for the Vikings.

    It’s one thing to update a team’s uniforms; both the Dolphins and 49ers modernized the look with accents (like black trim and slightly different letter and number fonts) without changing the overall aesthetic and by staying true to their past uniforms.

    The Bills and Vikings had great uniforms and their lack of Super Bowls not only doesn’t take away from that, but is in fact completely unrelated. Both of these teams’ uniforms were butchered and I don’t think it ‘cliched’ to express this opinion.

  • jeff in detroit | October 24, 2006 at 9:39 pm |

    jason grilli had a tag issue while warming up in the pen

  • Kenny | October 24, 2006 at 9:51 pm |

    [quote comment="16228"]

    Kenny, i’m sure you know this comment was wrong and uncalled for. i hope you are not telling me i have to spend money to be a “real” fan.[/quote]

    Gov’Nah, that is absolutely not what I am trying to say and sorry if you took it that way…it just chaps me when I see people at a bar I frequent during the games that I don’t normally see there during the Bears game (i.e. the Monday night game against Arizona)…all of a sudden they are acting like the biggest fan ever, wearing some cheap knock-off! Sorry for the rant but that’s where and what my point was getting at

    *Now for a positive comment*

    I liked what FOX did showing the other guys known for wearing glasses while playing…cracked me up

    GO CARDS!!!

  • Aaron | October 24, 2006 at 9:55 pm |

    06-07 NHL All-Star Game Jerseys reveiled. Someone kill me now, please.
    http://nhluniforms.c...

    Ugly. 03-04’s still the best All-Star jersey I’ve seen ever.
    http://nhluniforms.c...

  • Jeff E. | October 24, 2006 at 10:23 pm |

    [quote comment="16309"]Sabres goalie Marty Biron finally got his white mask painted.

    http://img331.images...

    Hey isn’t the buffalo with the crossed sabres on the side of the mask from John Slabyk’s website with his own designs? Here’s the site. Maybe Biron doesn’t like the new logo either.

  • Jeff E. | October 24, 2006 at 10:25 pm |

    Forgot to add to scroll down to the “alternates” section. It’s the first logo

  • Vincent A. Cipollone | October 24, 2006 at 10:47 pm |

    Also, the wordmark near the bottom looks like the one from John Slabyk’s website as well.

  • Tako | October 24, 2006 at 10:48 pm |

    the cardinals’ helmets have white dots on top but the cap buttons are red. anybody know anything about this?

  • Sammy | October 24, 2006 at 10:53 pm |

    Joel Zumaya (who just managed to throw a stupid error, by the way), seems to have a dark underbill, and something written on his right side, in some silver pen, or something. He just got pulled, but there might be some pictures of him.

  • Kenny | October 24, 2006 at 10:56 pm |

    just showed a shot of edmonds and he has the jacket on again after wearing the dot matrix shirt earlier

  • Riley | October 24, 2006 at 11:09 pm |

    [quote comment="16276"]Back to New Era MLB hats:

    Someone mentioned earlier that they bought an Angels hat and noticed the logo stitching wasnt 3D or “popping out”. The Angels hat is one of the few in MLB in which the majority of the logo doesnt “pop-out”. Only the halo sticks out. I think it has to do with the different shades of red and different colors in the logo. It seems it is true since the other teams w/ flat logos also have lots of colors or shades: the Orioles, and Blue Jays. Any others anyone?[/quote]

    That was me. My new one is as you just described however my old one (I wish I still had it so I could take a picture) purchased circa 2003 had the whole logo raised at the same level that the halo is now. It looked way better than the new ones.

  • Kyle Joecken | October 24, 2006 at 11:16 pm |

    Don’t know if this has been said (I don’t often read through the 4000 comments), but Fernando Rodney for the Tiggers has some major underbill writing going on.

    Screen grab, anyone?

  • GoMac | October 24, 2006 at 11:29 pm |

    Although I’ll admit purple looks good occasionally…it’s only when it’s paired with it’s opposite color yellow

    If you look at teams like the Mets in all of their ditch-the-black glory..you’ll notice that a lot of teams use the opposite colors because they’re the most aesthetically pleasing..

    Okay..so maybe the last one had a little more to do with the subject and not the colors..haha..

    And on another note..I love the Broncos , Bears, and Dolphins orange alternate jerseys..

    But that could just be because my old high school wears orange and black.

    Oh and I’m watching Game 3 and while he was blowing the big one..I noticed Detroit’s Joel Zumaya was wearing a BP cap with a black underbill and ZUMAYA written on it with a silver sharpie..(Sorry..No screen shot)..

    From the looks of his performance..I doubt he was using it to hide any substance to help his pitching..haha..

  • Mark Mihalik | October 24, 2006 at 11:45 pm |

    It’s one thing for idiots who play for MLB teams aside from the A’s to rock white cleats at the All Star Game, where, apparently, it’s the one night when you can legally throw out your team’s uniform rules, but Albert Pujol’s cleats tonight are an absolute travesty. It seems that they’re the same ones he wore back in July, but this is the World Series. Wear your reds.

  • jeff in detroit | October 24, 2006 at 11:48 pm |

    someone mentioned after game 1 that many tigers had black underbills.zumaya may have been wearing a new model 5950 for next year and not the bp cap

  • Chad | October 24, 2006 at 11:56 pm |

    [quote comment="16331"]someone mentioned after game 1 that many tigers had black underbills.zumaya may have been wearing a new model 5950 for next year and not the bp cap[/quote]
    yeah leyland was wearing a non BP cap with a black underbill during the press conference right now

  • Ramstone | October 25, 2006 at 12:35 am |

    Isn’t anyone else dissapointed the ‘professionals’ opinion of the top 10 NFL logos? 8 of them I one star’ed.

    Must be a union thing, to create more logo creating opps….

  • Jamie in Columbus | October 25, 2006 at 12:49 am |

    [quote comment="16202"]On the topic of NFL helmets…I thought it was great when the Giants got away from the slanted GIANTS on their helmet and went back to the simple ny.

    So why does mlb.com sell NFL merchandise anyway?[/quote]

    anyone notice that the old Giants Uni’s didn’t match the same blue of the helmets??

  • Jamie in Columbus | October 25, 2006 at 12:49 am |

  • Jamie in Columbus | October 25, 2006 at 12:50 am |
  • Brian | October 25, 2006 at 12:53 am |

    Alando Tucker of the Wisconsin Badgers played the Red and White scrimmage tonight with double Adidas socks, and Marcus Landry had on goggles in a departure from his previous m.o. Pictures here.

  • Brandon Davis | October 25, 2006 at 12:58 am |

    Tako, as for the white dot on batting helmets, I believe that’s been covered before. The dot is a holdover mark that Rawling’s still applies but it was originally for ABC, American Baseball Company. Lots of teams who don’t have white buttons use it, as seen on this Cubs helmet.

    With the black underbills, I remember looking at some game-worn items and seeing a Mark Kotsay A’s cap from 2005 that had a black underbill so I’m guessing players could custom order them. Maybe some of the World Series caps are new instead of just having the WS patch slapped on, which would mean black underbills are in production already.

  • Buckeye Mike | October 25, 2006 at 1:08 am |

    Man, I was looking around, and I saw something that looked like I have seen before. I think this looks a whole lot like this but I think I liked the first one better.

    as for the dark billed reg hats, Paul, didn’t you tell us that MLB was going to this in the next year? I think it was brought up one of the many times underbill writing was spoken of?

  • Gibby | October 25, 2006 at 1:21 am |

    Hey Paul,
    I noticed something new on the Boston Celtics in preseason. There is now a cloverleaf above the nameplate on the back of the jersey. Did some minor research and even the NBA store does not have this feature on the Authentic road jerseys. I’ve seen photos from 2004 and 2005 and niether have this cloverleaf. Is this is a new addition this year, or was it added last year?

  • Teebz | October 25, 2006 at 1:58 am |

    [quote comment="16313"]06-07 NHL All-Star Game Jerseys reveiled. Someone kill me now, please.
    http://nhluniforms.c...

    Ugly. 03-04’s still the best All-Star jersey I’ve seen ever.
    http://nhluniforms.c...

    I will say this: they follow Reebok’s slim-fit template to a tee. In the case of your choice of “best I’ve ever seen”, they’re nice, but they’re nothing like the old Campbell Conference jerseys. I want an Yzerman one! And not those BS “CCM Vintage” pieces of drivel either.

    Click me!

    Using the NHL logo colors? That’s uni-centric.

  • Minna H | October 25, 2006 at 2:18 am |

    [quote comment="16349"][quote comment="16313"]06-07 NHL All-Star Game Jerseys reveiled. Someone kill me now, please.
    http://nhluniforms.c...

    Ugly. 03-04’s still the best All-Star jersey I’ve seen ever.
    http://nhluniforms.c...

    I will say this: they follow Reebok’s slim-fit template to a tee. In the case of your choice of “best I’ve ever seen”, they’re nice, but they’re nothing like the old Campbell Conference jerseys. I want an Yzerman one! And not those BS “CCM Vintage” pieces of drivel either.

    Click me!

    Using the NHL logo colors? That’s uni-centric.[/quote]

    Woo-hoo! There you are, Teebz! I was just thinking that we needed you to drop in with your hockey knowledge, and there you are!

    Is that burnt orango on the Campbell jerseys? If so, that’s a good use of the color orange.

    p.s. Still plotting to drag Paul to the Twin Cities, but I’m fresh out of ideas. Help a fellow (almost) Northerner out!

  • Scott W | October 25, 2006 at 2:52 am |

    Re: Chicago Bears orange jersey.

    Remember when they wore them against the Niners? Yeah, I do…

    And so does Nathan Vasher, who ran back a missed field goal for an NFL record 108-yard TD runback.

    Not like anyone really needs superstition to beat the Niners, but I guess it wouldn’t hurt. Don’t mess with a winning formula.

    Orange Bears Jerseys + Playing the 49ers = Victory

  • Richard | October 25, 2006 at 8:24 am |

    [quote comment="16348"]Hey Paul,
    I noticed something new on the Boston Celtics in preseason. There is now a cloverleaf above the nameplate on the back of the jersey. Did some minor research and even the NBA store does not have this feature on the Authentic road jerseys. I’ve seen photos from 2004 and 2005 and niether have this cloverleaf. Is this is a new addition this year, or was it added last year?[/quote]

    it’s not a cloverleaf, it’s a shamrock, and Paul answered this one last week — it’s new for 2006-07.

  • John | October 25, 2006 at 9:42 am |

    [quote comment="16339"] anyone notice that the old Giants Uni’s didn’t match the same blue of the helmets??[/quote]

    The mismatch for the Giants, Rams, Vikings and a lot of other teams came from the use of “impregnated” helmet shells – instead of painting the helmets as had been done from the introduction of plastic shells in the 1950s up until 1970 or so, they now made the helmets out of colored plastic shells. From the early 1970s through the mid-1990s really the only painted shells were the metallic colors – silver, gold, “Cowboys’ Silver Blue”, etc. There were some exceptions – I think the Bears took the molded navy shell and repainted it their shade of navy during the early Ditka years (including the Super Bowl year).

    Painted helmets made a big return in the 1990s with newer “dazzle” colors. I think Denver was an early adopter, where they take a colored shell and paint the dazzle finish over it. Then came the “chrome” finishes like the current Giants and Vikings (and many universities). A lot of it is teams willingness to have the shells repainted during the season (as Notre Dame has done for years).

  • Kevin from Ohio in Virginia | October 25, 2006 at 12:09 pm |

    Great post, John!

  • Vincent | October 25, 2006 at 1:36 pm |

    [quote comment="16316"][quote comment="16309"]Sabres goalie Marty Biron finally got his white mask painted.

    http://img331.images...

    Hey isn’t the buffalo with the crossed sabres on the side of the mask from John Slabyk’s website with his own designs? Here’s the site. Maybe Biron doesn’t like the new logo either.[/quote]
    I don’t know if he doesn’t like it or not but the new logo is on his mask. :)

    And as for the all-star jersey, those Prince of Wales/Campbell jersey were the best. :D

  • Tape | October 25, 2006 at 2:02 pm |

    [quote comment="16244"]
    NFL Ravens do this combo best -purple, old gold, and black.[/quote]

    there’s about two drops of “old gold” on the Ravens’ unis. they’re pretty much just purple and black… which sucks.

  • ACC | October 27, 2006 at 12:06 pm |

    [quote comment="16354"]Re: Chicago Bears orange jersey.

    Remember when they wore them against the Niners? Yeah, I do…

    And so does Nathan Vasher, who ran back a missed field goal for an NFL record 108-yard TD runback.

    Not like anyone really needs superstition to beat the Niners, but I guess it wouldn’t hurt. Don’t mess with a winning formula.

    Orange Bears Jerseys + Playing the 49ers = Victory[/quote]

    I’ll be at that game wearing Red & Gold and praying for extreme weather conditions to level the playing field.

  • jerry | October 31, 2006 at 5:32 pm |

    http://puredetroit.c...

    one way to “spell” detroit in the logo.

  • Rader | November 1, 2006 at 7:30 am |

    What is he deal with the logo YOU have on your website (www.uniwatchblog.com)? As a man who considers his taste robust and refined, I am shock that you would allow such blatant disrespect of color, line, form and function. I believe there should be immediate action taken; possibly with a contest to allow your witty, creative, and fashion forward devotees evolve your current display into something remarkable instead of allowing the shameful symbol of your work resound through the nether regions of cyber gluttony.

    OK, that is all for now. Now go forward – recreate, redesign and reinvent your faded glory.