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Tag Team

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Last year I wrote an ESPN column about an odd NFL trend that was unfolding in Philadelphia: the unbuckled belt. And now I’ve noticed that the Eagles are the prime exemplars of a new midsection-based phenomenon: the exposed shirttail tag.

The Iggles aren’t the only ones with exposed tags, but they’re definitely the ones who’ve raised it to an art form. Once you start looking, you’ll find that the exposed tag is more the rule than the exception in Philly. It appears to know no demographic boundaries, being featured by offensive players and defensive, speedsters and bruisers, black players and white, at home and on the road. (If that’s not enough, you can see additional examples here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, and here.)

Now, every NFL jersey has an NFL Equipment tag down by the hemline. The thing about the Eagles’ jerseys is that the tag appears to have been moved upward, or maybe the jersey has been cropped to have a shorter hemline — compare this to this.

The Philly tag, as I think we should now start calling it, is related to another trend I’ve noticed this season: the exposed midriff. All over the league, players are showing an alarming amount of abdominal skin. This is apparently due to many jerseys being seriously cropped, sometimes with elasticized hemlines that tend to ride up. It’s all a far cry from the days when players kept their jerseys from coming untucked by wearing snap-on crotch extensions (a photo of which has proven to be surprisingly elusive — anyone..?).

One last note: Speaking of exposed tags, take a close look at this photo (which was provided by reader Rob Montoya). That’s a Reebok logo on the Wyoming player’s hemline tag. But Wyoming is a New Balance school this year, as you can see by the “NB” logo on the player’s chest. Looks like Wyoming had some old Reebok jerseys laying around and just slapped New Balance logos on them when they switched manufacturer affiliations. Bogus!

Uni Watch News Ticker: Last week I noted the logo similarities between the Atlanta Thrashers and USA Rugby. Now Steve Seitz points out a similar separated-at-birth connection between the Red Wings and USA Cycling. … Hilarious logo creep alert from Cort McMurray, who writes: “My brothers are traveling through Asia. They snapped this photo outside of an apartment complex in Ulan Bator, Mongolia.” … I had to attend this food-writer shindig in Manhattan last night, so thankfully I didn’t see the Broncos wearing their blue-on-blues (which were making only their third regular-season appearance).

 

124 comments to Tag Team

  • Teebz | October 10, 2006 at 9:00 am |

    I have to say that showing off your tag as a pro athlete would be equivalent to having your shirt untucked while wearing a tuxedo. If you don’t have pride in the jersey/uniform you’re wearing, you shouldn’t be allowed to wear it.

    And regarding the abs show, it is more than disgraceful.

  • Robert | October 10, 2006 at 9:08 am |

    Baseball pajama slacks, untucked shirts, unbuckled belts, tags sticking out . . . apparently many genius athletes have decided that it is cool to be a slob. Now while I certainly no metrosexual pretty boy type, I believe that there something to be said for looking professional. Players today just keep creating new reasons for old guys (I’m 40) to dislike them.

  • Andrew | October 10, 2006 at 9:16 am |

    I don’t know; it could be worse with shortened jerseys.

  • Columbus | October 10, 2006 at 9:20 am |

    Here is a link to a Notre Dame jersey with the crotch button:
    Notre Dame

  • Marc M. | October 10, 2006 at 9:24 am |

    [quote comment=”12875″]Baseball pajama slacks, untucked shirts, unbuckled belts, tags sticking out . . . apparently many genius athletes have decided that it is cool to be a slob. Now while I certainly no metrosexual pretty boy type, I believe that there something to be said for looking professional. Players today just keep creating new reasons for old guys (I’m 40) to dislike them.[/quote]

    Agreed!

  • Tom | October 10, 2006 at 9:25 am |

    Here’s another jersey with the crotch snaps

  • Tom | October 10, 2006 at 9:27 am |

    Let’s try the link one more time…

    Jersey

  • Brian | October 10, 2006 at 10:09 am |

    About that Wyoming Jersey: I see the Reebok tag clearly, but look just to the left edge of the tag, where there is a little add on tag…It looks like an Under Armour logo, doesn’t it? Does Wyoming wear any Under Armour gear?

  • Brian | October 10, 2006 at 10:10 am |

    Oh, and the Wyoming player is also featuring the new belt fad. I don’t get how that helps your pants stay up.

  • nybatt | October 10, 2006 at 10:16 am |

    teaching in a high school, the latest fads and atrocities are on display daily…. the un-tucked/unkempt look in uniform shirttails/pants/caps is an extension of the slovenly styles worn in everyday life…

    as I scan my classroom right now, 15 11th graders NOT ONE TUCKED IN SHIRT… when you live your life untucked, why start when you are a pampered professional athlete???

    its been mentioned before… the practice of baseball players untucking after games while parading on the field to celebrate a win…. tucked in is “not cool”… ugghhhh…

    fighting against the tide here in the teaching/coaching world!!

  • nybatt | October 10, 2006 at 10:17 am |

    meant to say 15 MALE 11th graders in my U.S. History class…. sorry…

  • Robert | October 10, 2006 at 10:22 am |

    I wonder what a judge would say to me if I strolled into court jacketless and untucked, with my belt hanging open. I suspect that my “but NFL players do it” defense would not be well taken.

  • Talon Lardner | October 10, 2006 at 10:27 am |

    [quote comment=”12884″]teaching in a high school, the latest fads and atrocities are on display daily…. the un-tucked/unkempt look in uniform shirttails/pants/caps is an extension of the slovenly styles worn in everyday life…

    as I scan my classroom right now, 15 11th graders NOT ONE TUCKED IN SHIRT… when you live your life untucked, why start when you are a pampered professional athlete???

    its been mentioned before… the practice of baseball players untucking after games while parading on the field to celebrate a win…. tucked in is “not cool”… ugghhhh…

    fighting against the tide here in the teaching/coaching world!![/quote]

    I personally like being untucked. It feels very unrestricting and free, as well as not getting in the way of any movements. I also like the “Pyjamma” baseball bottoms. BUT I do NOT like that tag look. Either tuck it in, or leave it untucked and rip off that tag. Your jersey is numbered, you shouldn’t NEED that tag anymore!

  • Dan from PC | October 10, 2006 at 10:40 am |

    [quote comment=”12884″]teaching in a high school, the latest fads and atrocities are on display daily…. the un-tucked/unkempt look in uniform shirttails/pants/caps is an extension of the slovenly styles worn in everyday life…

    as I scan my classroom right now, 15 11th graders NOT ONE TUCKED IN SHIRT… when you live your life untucked, why start when you are a pampered professional athlete???

    its been mentioned before… the practice of baseball players untucking after games while parading on the field to celebrate a win…. tucked in is “not cool”… ugghhhh…

    fighting against the tide here in the teaching/coaching world!![/quote]

    am i the only one who thinks it’s amazing that you are posting from your classroom

    that’s uni-dedication at its finest

  • Kenny | October 10, 2006 at 10:41 am |

    [quote comment=”12882″]About that Wyoming Jersey: I see the Reebok tag clearly, but look just to the left edge of the tag, where there is a little add on tag…It looks like an Under Armour logo, doesn’t it? Does Wyoming wear any Under Armour gear?[/quote]

    You know it might be the size tag…sometimes they put the size next to it…or maybe initials…it is hard to see though

    As for the untucked look…clothes is different than a jersey. A untucked jersey looks like crapola. I could not stand when my jersey came untucked as well as when my teammates jersey cam untucked. We looked like crap when that happened. Some lineman think it looked like they were playing hard when it came untucked, but then again they didn’t want to get grabbed by their jersey.

    All in all in looks like crap when it comes untucked.

  • LondonGraham | October 10, 2006 at 10:41 am |

    Does this mean I should be tucking my replica jersey into my jeans?

  • Ian K | October 10, 2006 at 10:44 am |

    [quote comment=”12888″][quote comment=”12884″]teaching in a high school, the latest fads and atrocities are on display daily…. the un-tucked/unkempt look in uniform shirttails/pants/caps is an extension of the slovenly styles worn in everyday life…

    as I scan my classroom right now, 15 11th graders NOT ONE TUCKED IN SHIRT… when you live your life untucked, why start when you are a pampered professional athlete???

    its been mentioned before… the practice of baseball players untucking after games while parading on the field to celebrate a win…. tucked in is “not cool”… ugghhhh…

    fighting against the tide here in the teaching/coaching world!![/quote]

    I personally like being untucked. It feels very unrestricting and free, as well as not getting in the way of any movements. I also like the “Pyjamma” baseball bottoms. BUT I do NOT like that tag look. Either tuck it in, or leave it untucked and rip off that tag. Your jersey is numbered, you shouldn’t NEED that tag anymore![/quote]

    NYBatt, I love that you’re teaching and commenting at the same time. Great. I agree with the untucked thing, rarely do I tuck in a shirt when I dress casually. However, when I’m at work, you better believe I’m tucking in a button-down, a polo, whatever, into my slacks. I see plenty of slovenly joes here at Corporate America who wear khakis but with an untucked polo, or with tennis shoes. It’s not just sports that is overly-casual.

  • Kris McInnis | October 10, 2006 at 10:49 am |

    I’m glad someone posted a picture of the Miami player in comment #3, because you saw alot of the shortened shimmel-shirt jersey style in high school and college football in the 90s, especially down here in the south where it’s warmer in late summer/Fall. My guess is that those guys might have just grown up with it and it’s carried over to the NFL, where it’s more noticeable.

  • JJD | October 10, 2006 at 10:50 am |

    Let’s never see or speak of the Broncos’ all-blue ensemble again, OK?

  • Soda | October 10, 2006 at 10:51 am |

    So that’s one tuck and one no tuck…

  • Matt | October 10, 2006 at 10:53 am |

    I’m holding off for the Broncos to do an all Orange uniform… with Orange Jerseys and Pants… how sweet would that be… JK

  • Soda | October 10, 2006 at 10:53 am |

    I was quite upset upon seeing the Broncs in all blue. Reminded me of the Bears wearing all blue on MNF a couple years back and them getting pasted. I was hoping for the same fate for the Broncos as well just to relegate that atrocious combo to the back of some locked closet at Mile High.

  • Kim | October 10, 2006 at 10:56 am |

    Maybe those aren’t uniform tags on the Wyoming player, but some form of trophies/scalps.

  • Gregg | October 10, 2006 at 10:58 am |

    I have a confession.

    I’m an attorney in a business casual environment. When it’s time to leave work I go the bathroom one last time for that long train ride home, and when I finish urinating, I pull my shirt out of my pants, grab my gear and hit the street.

  • Barney | October 10, 2006 at 10:59 am |

    [quote comment=”12897″]So that’s one tuck and one no tuck…[/quote]

    I don’t know if we can do anything about this – the NFL already has one “tuck rule”.

  • Jonathan | October 10, 2006 at 11:10 am |

    [quote comment=”12901″]I have a confession.

    I’m an attorney in a business casual environment. When it’s time to leave work I go the bathroom one last time for that long train ride home, and when I finish urinating, I pull my shirt out of my pants, grab my gear and hit the street.[/quote]

    I feel guilty even loosening my tie until I get to my front porch . . . .

  • Burrill | October 10, 2006 at 11:13 am |

    Thank you, Barney. I was becoming quite disappointed that no one had invoked the tuck rule.

  • Teebz | October 10, 2006 at 11:14 am |

    [quote comment=”12888″]
    I personally like being untucked. It feels very unrestricting and free, as well as not getting in the way of any movements.[/quote]

    Duly noted, which is why they make jerseys longer than your average T-shirt. This allows for movement, but keeps the shirt tucked in.

    Do you think the president and the owner of the Iggles untuck their shirts and unbuckle their belts while in the owner’s box? These players are representing a) the entire city, b) a franchise with a storied history, c) a game with a storied history, d) any fan who loves the game, and e) themselves. While I understand self-representation in terms of “fashion”, reasons A thru D would suggest that the world doesn’t revolve around the player.

    In fact, since the player is being paid a salary greater than a doctor (tucks his/her shirt in), a lawyer (tucks his/her shirt in), a dentist (tucks his/her shirt in), or a judge (tucks his/her shirt in), it would seem to me that the player should also be tucking his/her shirt in if they want to continue receiving his/her pay check at that current rate. Yes, it’s a flawed argument, but logic would infer that the end would justify the means.

  • Robert | October 10, 2006 at 11:15 am |

    [quote comment=”12897″]So that’s one tuck and one no tuck…[/quote]

    Very very funny. Now where is Lupe when I need her?

  • Cory | October 10, 2006 at 11:17 am |

    A couple things I noticed at Nationwide Arena last night for the Jackets-Coyotes game:

    First, there are banners of all the NHL team logos at the top of the arena. They had the new Ducks logo but not the Buffaslug up. I tried for a couple pics, but I might as well have taken them underwater. I’ll take the digital next time.

    Second, the Coyotes jerseys look a bit busy with everything on the sleeve of their jersey. They’ve got the AZ state logo on the sleeve and the Decade in the Desert patch on the chest. Here are a couple pics:

    Right Sleeve
    Left Sleeve
    All Together

    Finally, I’m not sure if this has been posted yet, but here’s the logo for the 2007 NHL Draft . A pretty cool variation on the Jackets alt logo, if you ask me.

    Hockey fans can also sign up for comp tix at that link.

  • Mark in Shiga | October 10, 2006 at 11:24 am |

    Three digit uni number sighting with the Chunichi Dragons!

    At their division clinching game earlier today, #111 Sadaharu Hiranuma is right in the middle of the celebration, as is #110 Kazunori Sakata, most of whom is obscured. Both are batting practice pitchers.

  • Cosmo Kramer | October 10, 2006 at 11:26 am |

    Two thoughts —

    1 – NYBATT is indicative of the problem in education today. Instead of teaching, he’s surfing a site that has nothing to do with his classroom. Unless, of course, he teaches Home Ec, and is in a unit on fashion design…

    2 – Thanks to John Elway, we never had to see the atrocity we witnessed last night on MNF. Elway showed leadership in more than one way, and unilaterally vetoed the blue over blue unis. Broncos fans miss Elway in more than one way. It goes without saying that we miss him every time Jake the Mistake puts the ball in play…

  • Forrest | October 10, 2006 at 11:37 am |

    [quote comment=”12910″]Two thoughts —

    1 – NYBATT is indicative of the problem in education today. Instead of teaching, he’s surfing a site that has nothing to do with his classroom. Unless, of course, he teaches Home Ec, and is in a unit on fashion design…

    2 – Thanks to John Elway, we never had to see the atrocity we witnessed last night on MNF. Elway showed leadership in more than one way, and unilaterally vetoed the blue over blue unis. Broncos fans miss Elway in more than one way. It goes without saying that we miss him every time Jake the Mistake puts the ball in play…[/quote]

    1- It could be worse. We had some middle school teachers out our way who exchanged porn on district email a while ago. There could be a test going on as well, or something (not that I’m making excuses, we’re explicitly taught to focus on teaching)

    2- Darn skippy! They wore them once in that 1997 preseason, and Elway put that to rest. Why won’t Bowlen ever go throwback for us?

  • ard | October 10, 2006 at 11:38 am |

    as a ref for TN high school soccer, we make the players start the game with their shirts tucked in and socks pulled up. in addition, as the game progresses, we constantly tell players to tuck in their shirts. not only does it look good, but it helps us tell if the player is being held (if the shirt comes untucked while running down the field, chances are someone pulled it out.) if a player refuses to tuck a shirt in, we can send them off the field for improper equipment. if only the nfl gave their refs this power

  • Kenny | October 10, 2006 at 11:39 am |

    [quote comment=”12899″]I was quite upset upon seeing the Broncs in all blue. Reminded me of the Bears wearing all blue on MNF a couple years back and them getting pasted. I was hoping for the same fate for the Broncos as well just to relegate that atrocious combo to the back of some locked closet at Mile High.[/quote]

    Let’s just hope they (Da Bears) wear white on MNF this week…speaking of, have they ever worn all white?

  • Chad | October 10, 2006 at 11:41 am |

    [quote comment=”12909″]Three digit uni number sighting with the Chunichi Dragons!

    At their division clinching game earlier today, #111 Sadaharu Hiranuma is right in the middle of the celebration, as is #110 Kazunori Sakata, most of whom is obscured. Both are batting practice pitchers.[/quote]

    Those uni’s look very similar to the ones Korea wore during the world baseball classic…maybe a slightly darker blue.

  • Double J | October 10, 2006 at 11:41 am |

    [quote comment=”12902″][quote comment=”12897″]So that’s one tuck and one no tuck…[/quote]

    I don’t know if we can do anything about this – the NFL already has one “tuck rule”.[/quote]

    No Barney, the “one tuck and one no tuck” line is a drop from Seinfeld referring to the sheets in their hotel room, I saw Robert get it though, good job by the way with the high school priority order. Im in my Causes of War of class at UCF, and am more interested in Uni’s!

  • SJRedman | October 10, 2006 at 11:47 am |

    The Broncos blue on blue reminded me of a scuba diver.

    All they needed were snorkels and they looked like they were ready to expolore the Great Barrier Reef.

  • BJ | October 10, 2006 at 11:48 am |

    [quote comment=”12905″][quote comment=”12888″]
    I personally like being untucked. It feels very unrestricting and free, as well as not getting in the way of any movements.[/quote]

    Duly noted, which is why they make jerseys longer than your average T-shirt. This allows for movement, but keeps the shirt tucked in.

    Do you think the president and the owner of the Iggles untuck their shirts and unbuckle their belts while in the owner’s box? These players are representing a) the entire city, b) a franchise with a storied history, c) a game with a storied history, d) any fan who loves the game, and e) themselves. While I understand self-representation in terms of “fashion”, reasons A thru D would suggest that the world doesn’t revolve around the player.

    In fact, since the player is being paid a salary greater than a doctor (tucks his/her shirt in), a lawyer (tucks his/her shirt in), a dentist (tucks his/her shirt in), or a judge (tucks his/her shirt in), it would seem to me that the player should also be tucking his/her shirt in if they want to continue receiving his/her pay check at that current rate. Yes, it’s a flawed argument, but logic would infer that the end would justify the means.[/quote]

    I’m pretty sure that none of the occupations you’ve mentioned would have any sort of benefit for having their belts unbuckled and their shirts out. But for someone who makes a living running down the sideline covering T.O., a little extra range of motion could be huge. If you’ve ever seen Warren Sapp at the end of a game with his jersey out, you know that those things stretch literally down to your knees. Not what I’d want stuffed into my spandex pants.

    Which brings up my next point: you don’t NEED a belt with spandex pants. They’re fitted spandex stuffed with pads (on some players not). It’s not like these guys are low-riding NBA players. The belt is a fashion accessory that makes players uncomfortable.

    BTW, I’ve never seen a surgeon wear a belt with scrubs (their version of performance wear).

  • Kenny | October 10, 2006 at 11:50 am |

    [quote comment=”12916″][quote comment=”12899″]I was quite upset upon seeing the Broncs in all blue. Reminded me of the Bears wearing all blue on MNF a couple years back and them getting pasted. I was hoping for the same fate for the Broncos as well just to relegate that atrocious combo to the back of some locked closet at Mile High.[/quote]

    Let’s just hope they (Da Bears) wear white on MNF this week…speaking of, have they ever worn all white?[/quote]

    Never mind I found one. Take a look at Glyn Milburn

  • Banker Bill | October 10, 2006 at 11:51 am |

    [quote comment=”12903″][quote comment=”12901″]I have a confession.

    I’m an attorney in a business casual environment. When it’s time to leave work I go the bathroom one last time for that long train ride home, and when I finish urinating, I pull my shirt out of my pants, grab my gear and hit the street.[/quote]

    I feel guilty even loosening my tie until I get to my front porch . . . .[/quote]

    Unless I’m wearing sweats around the house, I don’t care what I’m wearing : button-up, polo, most of my T-shirts (I buy them oversized because I like room) are always tucked. It’s like I tell my 9 year ols stepson – I know you’re a good kid and not a thug, but if you dress like one, everyone will assume you are one. Look responsible and people will give you the benefit more often than not. Of course, I am a banker – shirt, tie and slacks every day. Weekends, my trusty hockey jersey collection and jeans. Working on collevting a jersey from every team – all with the number 18 (my high school number) – yes, I’ll even get a Barney Rubble hairpiece Buffaslug eventually.

  • Kyle | October 10, 2006 at 11:52 am |

    I’m surprised no one has invoked the memory of Doug Flutie jumping around in celebration after “The Hail Mary” at the Orange Bowl (can’t find a good pic, unfortunately). There was definitely some midriff going on there, and from one of the most professional players in the game. Imagine how short that jersey had to have been if it was riding high on Doug Flutie…

  • Mike Miller | October 10, 2006 at 12:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”12907″]A couple things I noticed at Nationwide Arena last night for the Jackets-Coyotes game:

    First, there are banners of all the NHL team logos at the top of the arena. They had the new Ducks logo but not the Buffaslug up. I tried for a couple pics, but I might as well have taken them underwater. I’ll take the digital next time.

    Second, the Coyotes jerseys look a bit busy with everything on the sleeve of their jersey. They’ve got the AZ state logo on the sleeve and the Decade in the Desert patch on the chest. Here are a couple pics:

    Right Sleeve
    Left Sleeve
    All Together

    Finally, I’m not sure if this has been posted yet, but here’s the logo for the 2007 NHL Draft . A pretty cool variation on the Jackets alt logo, if you ask me.

    Hockey fans can also sign up for comp tix at that link.[/quote]

    The Buffaslug/Barney Rubble Sabre logo was officially unveiled just before the preseason, I believe; while the Ducks new logo was revealed back in July or so. The new Sabre banner is probably still being made or in transit.

    I’m not sure how the Coyotes sleeves can look busy next to a CBJ alternate that has the main logo on the shoulders, sleeve numbers and three stars on each sleeve.

    As for jersey tucking, may we never see tucked in hockey sweaters!

  • Barney | October 10, 2006 at 12:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”12919″][quote comment=”12902″][quote comment=”12897″]So that’s one tuck and one no tuck…[/quote]

    I don’t know if we can do anything about this – the NFL already has one “tuck rule”.[/quote]

    No Barney, the “one tuck and one no tuck” line is a drop from Seinfeld referring to the sheets in their hotel room, I saw Robert get it though, good job by the way with the high school priority order. Im in my Causes of War of class at UCF, and am more interested in Uni’s![/quote]

    Double J, I did get it. That’s why I moved on to another “tuck” reference. Hello?

  • Jonathan | October 10, 2006 at 12:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”12923″][quote comment=”12903″][quote comment=”12901″]I have a confession.

    I’m an attorney in a business casual environment. When it’s time to leave work I go the bathroom one last time for that long train ride home, and when I finish urinating, I pull my shirt out of my pants, grab my gear and hit the street.[/quote]

    I feel guilty even loosening my tie until I get to my front porch . . . .[/quote]

    Unless I’m wearing sweats around the house, I don’t care what I’m wearing : button-up, polo, most of my T-shirts (I buy them oversized because I like room) are always tucked. It’s like I tell my 9 year ols stepson – I know you’re a good kid and not a thug, but if you dress like one, everyone will assume you are one. Look responsible and people will give you the benefit more often than not. Of course, I am a banker – shirt, tie and slacks every day. Weekends, my trusty hockey jersey collection and jeans. Working on collevting a jersey from every team – all with the number 18 (my high school number) – yes, I’ll even get a Barney Rubble hairpiece Buffaslug eventually.[/quote]

    I agree whole-heartedly. If you look the part, people will assume you play the part. I always make sure my 4-year old is tucked. He doesn’t ever STAY that way, but he always starts off that way.

    Bill, Make sure you add a very tasteful and Uni Classic Boston University Jersey with Chris Drury’s number 18 on the back (and the front). Hard pressed to find a better example for your kids than Mr. Drury . . .

  • Lee | October 10, 2006 at 12:09 pm |

    I guess I am the only one who liked the all blue Broncos unis last night. While not a big fan of single color uniforms, I felt like they worked for the broncos.
    Maybe its because I think that their white pants with the orange stripe, but no blue on them at all, look goofy.

    Lee

  • Riff | October 10, 2006 at 12:16 pm |

    As some people have metioned, the midriff trend is hardly new. It’s more of on a comeback than an emergence. When I was playing h.s. football, I remember seeing game film of CIF champ teams from years past (mid ’90s) and MANY of those players loved the midriff look. Personally, I couldn’t do it. Too much exposed skin in such a rough game. I hate skinning my knees, much less my stomach. And no, I don’t think that belts inhibit movement. Hip and butt pads, yes, but the belt that holds it in is crucial for keeping those spandex pants from riding down gradually, from being grabbed on a tackle or sliding down as you dive on the ground. Same with baseball. And I don’t know what hockey players would do without suspenders.

  • Chad | October 10, 2006 at 12:17 pm |

    A week or 2 ago the shoulder stripe difference between nike football jerseys worn by USC and the adidas counterparts worn by Northwestern and UCF was discussed here. The general consensus was that the nike version was superior and the adidas ones looked kinda off and sit too high on the shoulder. But this weekend I realized Louisville wears an adidas jersey that is differnt from Northwestern. The stripe still sits higher on the shoulder than the nike but I think it looks much sharper than the other adidas design. However last year they wore the same design as Northwestern and UCF. You can tell this is a photo from at least last year because of the yellow trim around the uni numbers which is not on the jerseys this year. I wonder why adidas didn’t supply this template to the other schools…

  • Orlandor | October 10, 2006 at 12:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”12884″]teaching in a high school, the latest fads and atrocities are on display daily…. the un-tucked/unkempt look in uniform shirttails/pants/caps is an extension of the slovenly styles worn in everyday life…

    as I scan my classroom right now, 15 11th graders NOT ONE TUCKED IN SHIRT… when you live your life untucked, why start when you are a pampered professional athlete???

    its been mentioned before… the practice of baseball players untucking after games while parading on the field to celebrate a win…. tucked in is “not cool”… ugghhhh…

    fighting against the tide here in the teaching/coaching world!![/quote]

    I am teaching 11th grade US History too (4 World History classes also), in Tucson. 14 boys, none tucked either. I would say the only tucking that I see is just a little front middle tuck to show off a belt buckle.

    Our school wears a terrible blue monochrome look at home and all white on the road (vs. a mono purple Paul) too, but shows great improvement on some occasions. They really need to step up their sock game though. Low socks suck and when they did wear highs, they went solid black.

  • Tom | October 10, 2006 at 12:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”12892″]Does this mean I should be tucking my replica jersey into my jeans?[/quote]

    To me, this is horrible. As a professional, of course, I always tuck my shirt in and try to look appropriate while at the office. At home though, I’ve always been more comfortable wearing T-shirs and/or game day jerseys untucked. To be honest, I don’t feel right tucking a shirt in if I’m wearning blue jeans or shorts (also articles of clothing I won’t wear to the office).

    As for school children, that’s kind of a grey area for me…I think if a school has a uniform policy, then shirts should be button and tucked in, etc., but if there are no clothing restrictions, then these kids have the liberty to dress casually, which to me means untucked shirt. That’s just my opinion however.

  • Footix | October 10, 2006 at 12:35 pm |

    If I can ask a dumb question not even remotely related to today’s post: I’m looking for any free baseball jersey-type font, especially one similar to the text on the A’s or Expos jerseys. Can anyone point me in the right direction?

  • Lincoln | October 10, 2006 at 12:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”12901″]I have a confession.

    I’m an attorney in a business casual environment. When it’s time to leave work I go the bathroom one last time for that long train ride home, and when I finish urinating, I pull my shirt out of my pants, grab my gear and hit the street.[/quote]

    I am the same way, though I only have to drive home. I do wait until I get in to the house to untuck though. However, when not going to work, court, etc., all my shirts are untucked.

  • Frank Mercogliano | October 10, 2006 at 12:44 pm |

    Denver’s blue on blue is not that original…at least among other football playing Broncos. And I really don’t think you want to see orange on orange Do You?

    Of course, Idaho State thankfully dropped that look for something much better at home, and pretty classy on the road as well. Nike deserves props…the unis here are a marked improvement. Of course, Idaho State’s starting quarterback Matt Gutierrez looked even more different last year.

    Frank

  • Plasters | October 10, 2006 at 12:44 pm |

    What about sports where jerseys aren’t tucked in?
    Lacrosse

    hockey

    and tons more.

    Does that fact that they don’t tuck make them sloppy? or is it just a sense of social normaity that football players must tuck while lacrosse players do not.

  • Riff | October 10, 2006 at 1:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”12934″]If I can ask a dumb question not even remotely related to today’s post: I’m looking for any free baseball jersey-type font, especially one similar to the text on the A’s or Expos jerseys. Can anyone point me in the right direction?[/quote]

    I wouldn’t know how to “aquire” a typeface. But if you’re good on Adobe Illustrator, you can trace them. But since I’m better at Photoshop so I took this, did a little mixing, matching, cutting and pasting to come up with this for our restaurant’s softball tourney. I think they turned out to be the best ones there.

    (Tip: When searching for MLB typefaces, type in the full team name, like Baltimore Orioles, into Google Images and look for ‘large’ images. A good one should come up.)

  • Teebz | October 10, 2006 at 1:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”12921″]
    I’m pretty sure that none of the occupations you’ve mentioned would have any sort of benefit for having their belts unbuckled and their shirts out. But for someone who makes a living running down the sideline covering T.O., a little extra range of motion could be huge. If you’ve ever seen Warren Sapp at the end of a game with his jersey out, you know that those things stretch literally down to your knees. Not what I’d want stuffed into my spandex pants.

    Which brings up my next point: you don’t NEED a belt with spandex pants. They’re fitted spandex stuffed with pads (on some players not). It’s not like these guys are low-riding NBA players. The belt is a fashion accessory that makes players uncomfortable.

    BTW, I’ve never seen a surgeon wear a belt with scrubs (their version of performance wear).[/quote]

    A little extra range of motion is one thing. Looking like a slob is another. Get a longer shirt if you want more motion. The refs and officials are constantly on the field, and they’re always tucked in.

    The belt is from days of past. If they wear spandex now, good for them. It’s no reason to look unprofessional. The belt that holds the pants up for the Titans doesn’t seem to bother them.

    As for a surgeon, they stay tucked in to be sure they are sanitized. There’s a reason for it, and one I’d like to remain in place.

  • Minna H | October 10, 2006 at 1:03 pm |

    The exposed midriff look brings out conflicting responses from me. The uni-watcher in me clucks her tongue in disapproval; the woman in me nods in appreciation—as long as it’s not a four-hundred pound lineman who’s exposing his pot-belly.

    The tag showing, the untucked jersey, the pajama pants all have to stop. They all look horrible, and I don’t buy the explanation that having an untucked jersey helps with movement. Nor do I buy that the jerseys are too big given that we have exposed midriffs. Tuck ’em in, guys. Just Do It.

  • David T | October 10, 2006 at 1:11 pm |

    The U of Minnesota athletic department is auctioning off the 1960 throwback uniforms the team will be wearing in the upcoming North Dakota State game. Winners get an actual uniform, not just the jersey: it includes the helmet, pants and, yes Paul, socks.

  • Banker Bill | October 10, 2006 at 1:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”12928″][quote comment=”12923″][quote comment=”12903″][quote comment=”12901″]I have a confession.

    I’m an attorney in a business casual environment. When it’s time to leave work I go the bathroom one last time for that long train ride home, and when I finish urinating, I pull my shirt out of my pants, grab my gear and hit the street.[/quote]

    I feel guilty even loosening my tie until I get to my front porch . . . .[/quote]

    Unless I’m wearing sweats around the house, I don’t care what I’m wearing : button-up, polo, most of my T-shirts (I buy them oversized because I like room) are always tucked. It’s like I tell my 9 year ols stepson – I know you’re a good kid and not a thug, but if you dress like one, everyone will assume you are one. Look responsible and people will give you the benefit more often than not. Of course, I am a banker – shirt, tie and slacks every day. Weekends, my trusty hockey jersey collection and jeans. Working on collevting a jersey from every team – all with the number 18 (my high school number) – yes, I’ll even get a Barney Rubble hairpiece Buffaslug eventually.[/quote]

    I agree whole-heartedly. If you look the part, people will assume you play the part. I always make sure my 4-year old is tucked. He doesn’t ever STAY that way, but he always starts off that way.

    Bill, Make sure you add a very tasteful and Uni Classic Boston University Jersey with Chris Drury’s number 18 on the back (and the front). Hard pressed to find a better example for your kids than Mr. Drury . . .[/quote]

    I will DEFINITELY get a BU jersey – I only have two college jerseys right now – a UNH (gift from my friend) and a Marist College (gift from the team for 10 years of PA announcing for them).

    I know we’ve had the discussiona bout people getting their own names on jerseys, but it’s my collevtion – I get my name, always teh #18, and if I can swing it, a Captain’s C – feeds my ego that way!

  • Timmy D | October 10, 2006 at 1:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”12929″]I guess I am the only one who liked the all blue Broncos unis last night. While not a big fan of single color uniforms, I felt like they worked for the broncos.
    Maybe its because I think that their white pants with the orange stripe, but no blue on them at all, look goofy.

    Lee[/quote]

    I also liked the blue on blue, i think its the fact that the nike inspired orange swoosh is so large that it makes it look infinately better than the bears blue on blue, which i watched with horror at our one and only memorial stadium, but it only works if the swoosh stays lined up and from what i remembered from yesterday, i did not see any wayward swooshes so it is acceptable.

    Interesting enough, i found a lined up untucked uni of Keith Burns.

  • Anthony | October 10, 2006 at 1:35 pm |

    I never really understood the disdain of a monochromatic color scheme (EX: The Broncos last night).

    But then again, I always end up loving the gaudier jerseys I’ve seen. So…

    Anything, in terms of Jerseys and schemes, has to be better than “Turn Ahead the Clock” experiments; even I understood THAT.

  • The Bird | October 10, 2006 at 1:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”12932″][quote comment=”12884″]teaching in a high school, the latest fads and atrocities are on display daily…. the un-tucked/unkempt look in uniform shirttails/pants/caps is an extension of the slovenly styles worn in everyday life…

    as I scan my classroom right now, 15 11th graders NOT ONE TUCKED IN SHIRT… when you live your life untucked, why start when you are a pampered professional athlete???

    its been mentioned before… the practice of baseball players untucking after games while parading on the field to celebrate a win…. tucked in is “not cool”… ugghhhh…

    fighting against the tide here in the teaching/coaching world!![/quote]

    I am teaching 11th grade US History too (4 World History classes also), in Tucson. 14 boys, none tucked either. I would say the only tucking that I see is just a little front middle tuck to show off a belt buckle.

    Our school wears a terrible blue monochrome look at home and all white on the road (vs. a mono purple Paul) too, but shows great improvement on some occasions. They really need to step up their sock game though. Low socks suck and when they did wear highs, they went solid black.[/quote]

    nybatt, maybe they tuck in their shirts at Sabino (they of the all purple). Dang rich kids with the all-purple.

  • The Bird | October 10, 2006 at 1:50 pm |

    I meant so say Orlandor, not nybatt. Oops.

  • mike | October 10, 2006 at 2:17 pm |

    good to see we have multiple teachers posting on here instead of teaching their students. and we wonder what is wrong with the youth of america. teachers are more concerned with uni-sites then teaching their subjects….at least in both instances its a history class,you might be able to stretch towards being relevant.

  • allenjd | October 10, 2006 at 2:25 pm |
  • Matthew | October 10, 2006 at 2:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”12951″]good to see we have multiple teachers posting on here instead of teaching their students. and we wonder what is wrong with the youth of america. teachers are more concerned with uni-sites then teaching their subjects….at least in both instances its a history class,you might be able to stretch towards being relevant.[/quote]

    Teachers also work longer hours, get paid less, and garner less appreciation than most of the rest of us, so let’s cut them a little slack.

    In football jersey related commenting: my alma mater’s football jerseys aren’t very long and routinely come untucked, but they are slit at the side so it actually doesn’t look too bad.

    Case in point: http://www.dotphoto....

    I don’t know, I guess untucked football jerseys just don’t bother me that much. It IS a full contact sport, not unlike hockey and yet there’s a huge backlash against Reebok for wanting to make uniforms that are supposed to be tucked in.

  • Richard | October 10, 2006 at 2:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”12945″][quote comment=”12929″]I guess I am the only one who liked the all blue Broncos unis last night. While not a big fan of single color uniforms, I felt like they worked for the broncos.
    Maybe its because I think that their white pants with the orange stripe, but no blue on them at all, look goofy.

    Lee[/quote]

    I also liked the blue on blue, i think its the fact that the nike inspired orange swoosh is so large that it makes it look infinately better than the bears blue on blue, which i watched with horror at our one and only memorial stadium, but it only works if the swoosh stays lined up and from what i remembered from yesterday, i did not see any wayward swooshes so it is acceptable.

    Interesting enough, i found a lined up untucked uni of Keith Burns.[/quote]

    Look close enough – his shirt and pants don’t match! And don’t tell me it’s because he sweat through his jersey to make it dark…

  • Matthew | October 10, 2006 at 2:41 pm |

    Ok that link is password protected…let’s try this one:

    http://smumustangs.c...

  • Kenny | October 10, 2006 at 2:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”12954″][quote comment=”12945″][quote comment=”12929″]I guess I am the only one who liked the all blue Broncos unis last night. While not a big fan of single color uniforms, I felt like they worked for the broncos.
    Maybe its because I think that their white pants with the orange stripe, but no blue on them at all, look goofy.

    Lee[/quote]

    I also liked the blue on blue, i think its the fact that the nike inspired orange swoosh is so large that it makes it look infinately better than the bears blue on blue, which i watched with horror at our one and only memorial stadium, but it only works if the swoosh stays lined up and from what i remembered from yesterday, i did not see any wayward swooshes so it is acceptable.

    Interesting enough, i found a lined up untucked uni of Keith Burns.[/quote]

    Look close enough – his shirt and pants don’t match! And don’t tell me it’s because he sweat through his jersey to make it dark…[/quote]

    No, but maybe it was the rain and probably some sleet that caused it…plus Elam’s looks the same as Burns’

  • Joe Hilseberg | October 10, 2006 at 3:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”12938″]I wouldn’t know how to “aquire” a typeface. But if you’re good on Adobe Illustrator, you can trace them. But since I’m better at Photoshop so I took this, did a little mixing, matching, cutting and pasting to come up with this for our restaurant’s softball tourney. I think they turned out to be the best ones there.

    (Tip: When searching for MLB typefaces, type in the full team name, like Baltimore Orioles, into Google Images and look for ‘large’ images. A good one should come up.)[/quote]

    The “font” used for almost all MLB script jersey is not a font all all, but a custom drawn design. Like mentioned above, you will need to be pretty hip with Adobe Illustrator to make a nise clean version.

  • Joe Hilseberg | October 10, 2006 at 3:26 pm |

    I should really proof what I type before I post it! Ughhhh!

  • Richard | October 10, 2006 at 3:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”12959″]I should really proof what I type before I post it! Ughhhh![/quote]

    that’d be nise

  • Timmy D | October 10, 2006 at 3:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”12957″][quote comment=”12954″][quote comment=”12945″][quote comment=”12929″]I guess I am the only one who liked the all blue Broncos unis last night. While not a big fan of single color uniforms, I felt like they worked for the broncos.
    Maybe its because I think that their white pants with the orange stripe, but no blue on them at all, look goofy.

    Lee[/quote]

    I also liked the blue on blue, i think its the fact that the nike inspired orange swoosh is so large that it makes it look infinately better than the bears blue on blue, which i watched with horror at our one and only memorial stadium, but it only works if the swoosh stays lined up and from what i remembered from yesterday, i did not see any wayward swooshes so it is acceptable.

    Interesting enough, i found a lined up untucked uni of Keith Burns.[/quote]

    Look close enough – his shirt and pants don’t match! And don’t tell me it’s because he sweat through his jersey to make it dark…[/quote]

    No, but maybe it was the rain and probably some sleet that caused it…plus Elam’s looks the same as Burns'[/quote]

    And if you look closely at the pic, the front of Burns’ jersey seems to be the same color as the front of Elam’s, which is pretty much close to the same color of the pants. So does that mean that the front and back of the jerseys are made up of two different materials? That would explain that both guys’ fronts look lighter than their shoulders/back. Interesting

  • Chris Hilf | October 10, 2006 at 4:47 pm |

    Having played lacrosse in college, i can tell you that the older uniforms used to be large-mesh, not the micro fiber that football teams wear. that stuff is impossible to tuck in. Think: football practice jerseys.
    I think it was so many years wearing those kinds of jerseys that they just got out of the practice of doing it.

  • Minna H | October 10, 2006 at 4:58 pm |

    How come I never noticed this???? How come no one else has ever commented on this?

    Weird-ass Leg Stripe

    And, no, I don’t mean the color. I like the black. I mean the stripe on one leg edge, but not the other. What is up with that?

    By the way, is Chris Creamer’s site the second-best site about unis on the web? I think so.

  • Joe Drennan | October 10, 2006 at 5:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”12937″]What about sports where jerseys aren’t tucked in?
    Lacrosse

    hockey

    and tons more.

    Does that fact that they don’t tuck make them sloppy? or is it just a sense of social normaity that football players must tuck while lacrosse players do not.[/quote]

    Some hockey players try to tuck in their jerseys, Roenick in his Chicago days, and it looks simply rediculous. Some times it’s OK to be untucked and hockey proves that.

    I’m scared of the Reebok designs as I’ve heard here that they want jerseys tucked in. This means the great classic jerseys of the original 6 would have to change and that’s just wrong!

  • Tim Mc | October 10, 2006 at 5:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”12925″]

    As for jersey tucking, may we never see tucked in hockey sweaters![/quote]

    Amen to that.

  • OCWill | October 10, 2006 at 5:12 pm |

    speaking about the tuck/no-tuck in society at large:

    i am nearly always untucked unless i am at a professional/formal function. this is not to say i go for the baggy/slob look, i just am still young (20 yrs old) and don’t want to dress like a professional yet. this may sound harsh, i don’t want to feel old by dressing like a ‘grown-up’. i think there is a similar feeling among other youth.

    having said that, the athletes mentioned are all grown up (age-wise if not maturity-wise) in their professional environment so they should dress like professionals (not slob-ish).

  • mg12 | October 10, 2006 at 5:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”12958″][quote comment=”12938″]I wouldn’t know how to “aquire” a typeface. But if you’re good on Adobe Illustrator, you can trace them. But since I’m better at Photoshop so I took this, did a little mixing, matching, cutting and pasting to come up with this for our restaurant’s softball tourney. I think they turned out to be the best ones there.

    (Tip: When searching for MLB typefaces, type in the full team name, like Baltimore Orioles, into Google Images and look for ‘large’ images. A good one should come up.)[/quote]

    The “font” used for almost all MLB script jersey is not a font all all, but a custom drawn design. Like mentioned above, you will need to be pretty hip with Adobe Illustrator to make a nise clean version.[/quote]

    True that most MLB team logos are custom, you can also find some fonts that match existing logos. The “D” found on Detroit Tiger’s hats is classic Old English font, I think that is why I love it so much.

    You can download a free version of the TTF file here:

    http://www.eyetricks...

  • mg12 | October 10, 2006 at 5:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”12969″][quote comment=”12958″][quote comment=”12938″]I wouldn’t know how to “aquire” a typeface. But if you’re good on Adobe Illustrator, you can trace them. But since I’m better at Photoshop so I took this, did a little mixing, matching, cutting and pasting to come up with this for our restaurant’s softball tourney. I think they turned out to be the best ones there.

    (Tip: When searching for MLB typefaces, type in the full team name, like Baltimore Orioles, into Google Images and look for ‘large’ images. A good one should come up.)[/quote]

    The “font” used for almost all MLB script jersey is not a font all all, but a custom drawn design. Like mentioned above, you will need to be pretty hip with Adobe Illustrator to make a nise clean version.[/quote]

    True that most MLB team logos are custom, you can also find some fonts that match existing logos. The “D” found on Detroit Tiger’s hats is classic Old English font, I think that is why I love it so much.

    You can download a free version of the TTF file here:

    http://www.eyetricks...

    Actually just came across this site that offers a wide range of MLB team fonts, for a price.

    http://www.mlbstyleg...

  • Giancarlo | October 10, 2006 at 5:54 pm |

    I don’t think polo shirts should ever be tucked in. That look to me calls to mind some kind of dorky twit from an old Cary Grant movie. Don’t Blockbuster Video staffers do that too? And folks who work in theme restaurants? Hate to be snobby, but that particular style does not say “professional.”

  • Ricardo | October 10, 2006 at 5:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”12951″]good to see we have multiple teachers posting on here instead of teaching their students. and we wonder what is wrong with the youth of america. teachers are more concerned with uni-sites then teaching their subjects….at least in both instances its a history class,you might be able to stretch towards being relevant.[/quote]
    Hmmm, yes, you posted that at 2:17pm ET, smack dab in the middle of business hours regardless of what coast you’re on. Are you a second shifter, a student, or just unemployed? I assume it must be one of these, otherwise you’d be reading and posting while at work, and clearly that’s out of bounds. Riiiiight. 98% of the rest of the folks on here take a few minutes out of their day to post while at work, yet it’s a national disgrace if a teacher chooses to do the same? A little perspective, please! Teachers aren’t there to actively teach for every single second of every minute of the day. They get some down time, just like any other profession. Do you think they are up in front of the blackboard talking about history for eight solid unbroken hours every day? There’s lunch, there are study halls, there are test taking periods, etc. Jumping down throats because they are posting a couple comments is absurd…

    -Ricardo

  • Mike | October 10, 2006 at 6:14 pm |

    Why should sports athletes have to tuck in their jerseys? They aren’t hosting the Queen of England that they have to be formal or something. Whenever I’ve played sports, I always found it restricting to my movement. I hate tucked in shirts. The jerseys should just be made shorter and tighter around the waste to accomodate if somebody leaves their jersey untucked.

  • Raul | October 10, 2006 at 6:52 pm |

    Anyone thinking of joining in on the aleve revolution should check out the fake stirrups on carlos yuarte, he is in the area of New Mexico.
    http://www.aleve.com...

  • Jeff Moulden | October 10, 2006 at 7:19 pm |

    Many teams recycle old jersey’s from previous vendors. I know back in the mid 90’s the Dallas Cowboys used to strip the Russell patches from the jersey and patch and apply Apex logos. Many NFL teams who use Schutt helmets blank out the name and put Riddell on the front above the facemask or on the back. This is because Riddell is the official helmet of the NFL.

  • Andrew | October 10, 2006 at 7:37 pm |

    Alternate Unis for ‘Stons and Heat playing in Puerto Rico

    [quote comment=”12964″]How come I never noticed this???? How come no one else has ever commented on this?

    Weird-ass Leg Stripe

    And, no, I don’t mean the color. I like the black. I mean the stripe on one leg edge, but not the other. What is up with that?

    By the way, is Chris Creamer’s site the second-best site about unis on the web? I think so.[/quote]

    Other teams have it as well, off the top of my head, The Wizards come to mind, probably others as well

  • Minna H | October 10, 2006 at 7:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”12979″]

    Other teams have it as well, off the top of my head, The Wizards come to mind, probably others as well[/quote]

    Hm. That’s not so bad, and it’s not what I meant, either. My indignation rendered me not-so-eloquent, so I’ll try again.

    Weird-ass Thigh-Stripe

    I’m talking about the stripe on the left leg that goes around the leg-hole (call it a band) and matches the striping on the waistband. Two legs or none, T’wolves! It’s not so hard.

  • Minna H | October 10, 2006 at 7:53 pm |

    Oops. Sorry about the unclosed link. My indignation runneth over.

  • Kyle | October 10, 2006 at 8:40 pm |

    I can’t for the life of me believe that there are people that think it’s not necessary for players of certain sports to tuck thier shirts in. How on earth can you look at an MLB’er with his shirt untucked and not be sickened? It just looks terrible (along with pajama pants and dot-pattern sleeves)

    One place where the untucking of jerseys doesn’t seem to be prevalent is, surprisingly enough, basketball. The sport that needed to put in a dress code to keep it’s players looking decent off the court doesn’t seem to have issues on the court.

    Random, non-uni-related note: why does Oakland close off the upper deck of their ballpark for the LC-freakin’-S? I’m pretty sure you’ll be able to sell out game one of an LCS.

  • Jean | October 10, 2006 at 9:24 pm |

    i was wondering the same thing….

  • Forrest | October 10, 2006 at 9:27 pm |

    And now for something completely different. The Cornhawk.

  • Chip | October 10, 2006 at 9:30 pm |

    Just want to warn everyone early…messages from players on the Clemson football team, as well as a sign that I saw last night seem to warn that Clemson will be going “solid purple” next Saturday for our homecoming game against Georgia Tech, which will be broadcast in all its “glory” on ESPN that night. For one, if we do break out the solid purple, the TVs at my job will be turned from color to black and white to avoid seeing this catastrophe.

  • James m | October 10, 2006 at 9:44 pm |

    All the comments about tucked and untucked really should not be about sloppy,young, or old. This country is about personal choice. If your boss thinks tucking is needed its done. It is his company. To chastise a 14 year old as a slob or thug, cause his shirt is out is wrong. Didn’t they say that about Elvis,heavy metal, and rap. Since when did we become our dads and dictate what is right and wrong. p.s. I am a 36 year old and I tuck and untuck as the day dictates

  • Andy from KC | October 10, 2006 at 9:53 pm |

    I’m watching the Tigers and A’s, and I noticed a couple of things. Thing 1 — Jim Leyland is jersey-less tonight. Thing 2 — on Leyland’s windbreaker, the orange road “D” does match the “D” on the cap (as opposed to the home jersey, which has a different style “D”). Just thought I’d toss that out there in case someone cares.

    Oh, and the Tigers are up 5-0 after four innings.

  • Jill | October 10, 2006 at 9:53 pm |

    What is the big deal with tucking in shirts? I am female so the same rules for professional attire do not apply. I always say button-down shirt, tuck. No buttons, no tuck. Unless you are wearing a belt then maybe tuck.

    To make this more uni-related. I say if the fashion statement affects your performance do what feels best. Perhaps something like the short football jersey makes the players feel like they are less likely to be tackled. Same with the undone belt. Maybe they have to wear the belt but it hurts to fall on the belt buckle. I know I risk being banished for this statement, but I would much rather see my team win than have tucked in shirts.

    The pajama pants thing is another issue though. Not only do you look like an idiot, it can not help a player to wear their pants like that and might even hinder in some cases.

  • Sam Mitchell | October 10, 2006 at 10:00 pm |

    I guess we can add the coyotes and the blue jackets onto the list of who uses their state flags into their logos/jersey.

  • OCWill | October 10, 2006 at 10:05 pm |

    in response to #89-90:

    i believe the owner of the A’s is trying to make a point about the A’s being able to survive in a newer, smaller stadium a la pacbell/AT&T park in SF.

  • Tyler | October 10, 2006 at 11:00 pm |

    Noticed that Ordonez is going with both pockets inside out and Guillen has the one pocket look going.

  • DP | October 10, 2006 at 11:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”12997″]in response to #89-90:

    i believe the owner of the A’s is trying to make a point about the A’s being able to survive in a newer, smaller stadium a la pacbell/AT&T park in SF.[/quote]

    Pretty much.
    Link

  • Nathan Thompson | October 10, 2006 at 11:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”12896″]Let’s never see or speak of the Broncos’ all-blue ensemble again, OK?[/quote]
    Lets hope we do. The blue pants looked awsome, they should try them with the white jerseys. And someone needs to write them a letter telling them to wear the orange jerseys again, seeing how much they play in primetime.

  • skott | October 10, 2006 at 11:17 pm |

    personal opinions:

    a. the new broncos uni’s are pretty much the work of the devil. that being said, i liked the all blue the best so far.

    b. i hate the ravens. most boring team ever.

    c. i am pretty sure the Bears wore all white in the walter payton era, but i’m not certain.

    d. Tigers Cards world series would be pretty easy on the eyes. except for all the LaRussa pix. ugh. what a clown.

    e. torre is not fired? he’s the donald rumsfeld of baseball. his team is in a shambles but the boss won’t go in a new direction.

  • Shane | October 10, 2006 at 11:22 pm |

    Can anyone pick up what’s on Zumaya’s underbrim? It’s on his left side.

  • Nolan | October 10, 2006 at 11:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”12964″]How come I never noticed this???? How come no one else has ever commented on this?

    Weird-ass Leg Stripe

    And, no, I don’t mean the color. I like the black. I mean the stripe on one leg edge, but not the other. What is up with that?

    By the way, is Chris Creamer’s site the second-best site about unis on the web? I think so.[/quote]

    Miami had the same look upon entering the league. I think I noticed the Minnesota stripe before there was an outlet for such observations.

  • Nolan | October 10, 2006 at 11:55 pm |

    Here’s a better Miami Heat pic.

  • fly on wall | October 11, 2006 at 12:00 am |

    Let’s just hope they (Da Bears) wear white on MNF this week…speaking of, have they ever worn all white?[/quote]

    The Bears wore all white when I was growing up in the ’60s.

  • Mike Miller | October 11, 2006 at 12:03 am |

    [quote comment=”12985″]

    One place where the untucking of jerseys doesn’t seem to be prevalent is, surprisingly enough, basketball. The sport that needed to put in a dress code to keep it’s players looking decent off the court doesn’t seem to have issues on the court.

    [/quote]

    By rule, basketball jerseys must be tucked in on the court. However, at every game I’ve been to in the past few years, players checking into the game will wait until the last second to tuck in their jersey before entering the game and yank it out of their shorts the second they are taken out.

  • Mike Miller | October 11, 2006 at 12:07 am |

    [quote comment=”13002″][quote comment=”12896″]Let’s never see or speak of the Broncos’ all-blue ensemble again, OK?[/quote]
    Lets hope we do. The blue pants looked awsome, they should try them with the white jerseys. And someone needs to write them a letter telling them to wear the orange jerseys again, seeing how much they play in primetime.[/quote]

    If the Broncs wore the blue pants with the white jerseys, they would have mismatched stripes. The white jerseys have blue stripes and the blue pants with orange stripes. So the Broncs would have to come up with white jerseys with orange stripes to make the look work. The Broncs already have two sets of white pants, one with blue stripe (road) and one with orange stripe (home).

  • matt1977 | October 11, 2006 at 12:14 am |

    I hate the Broncos and their unis but think their current alternate (orange) should be their “team color” or main jersey. At least then you’d have the same color set up from the previous era. (blue helmet/orange jersey/white pants) The monochromatic sucks.

  • Minna H | October 11, 2006 at 12:30 am |

    [quote comment=”13007″]Here’s a better Miami Heat pic.[/quote]

    Ok. That is even worse than the T’wolves’ band. Nolan, can you think of any others?

  • matt1977 | October 11, 2006 at 12:35 am |

    Also, I blame the Ravens for making the NFL think that it’s OK to wear dark jerseys with dark pants. When they first moved to Baltimore, the Ravens home unis were purple jerseys with black pants. (they didn’t even have white pants) And while I’m not the purple hater that many on this board are, and purple on black is technically not “monochromatic”, I think we can all agree that that combo sucks… After that 96 season, we slowly saw (and still see) teams experiment with (sucky) all dark looks.

  • Minna H | October 11, 2006 at 12:50 am |

    [quote comment=”13013″]Also, I blame the Ravens for making the NFL think that it’s OK to wear dark jerseys with dark pants. When they first moved to Baltimore, the Ravens home unis were purple jerseys with black pants. (they didn’t even have white pants) And while I’m not the purple hater that many on this board are, and purple on black is technically not “monochromatic”, I think we can all agree that that combo sucks… After that 96 season, we slowly saw (and still see) teams experiment with (sucky) all dark looks.[/quote]

    I disagree, matt. Not necessarily about the purple, but about the dark-on-dark. I like the all-black look. Kick me out of Uni-Watchland now!

  • Nolan | October 11, 2006 at 12:57 am |

    [quote comment=”12977″] Many NFL teams who use Schutt helmets blank out the name and put Riddell on the front above the facemask or on the back. This is because Riddell is the official helmet of the NFL.[/quote]
    You will never find a Riddell logo on a Schutt
    Schutt’s are currently left blank or they will have a team logo.

    Some teams do use a Riddell type sticker on the back of Schutt helmets. But it always says the team name.
    You are partially right, Riddell is the only brand name allowed on helmets or chin straps. Note how the Adams wordmark is visible here. But it isn’t visible here this is the same chinstrap in college

  • Adam T. | October 11, 2006 at 1:13 am |

    [quote comment=”13003″]

    c. i am pretty sure the Bears wore all white in the walter payton era, but i’m not certain.
    quote]

    Yup

  • Nolan | October 11, 2006 at 1:13 am |

    [quote comment=”13012″][quote comment=”13007″]Here’s a better Miami Heat pic.[/quote]

    Ok. That is even worse than the T’wolves’ band. Nolan, can you think of any others?[/quote]
    As it turns out, I’m not shocked to find The Vancouver Grizz. This seems to be their first uni. Here’s another shot.

    I can’t seem to think of any current uni other than the T-Wolves.

  • Adam T. | October 11, 2006 at 1:19 am |

    [quote comment=”13003″]
    c. i am pretty sure the Bears wore all white in the walter payton era, but i’m not certain.
    [/quote]

    YUP

    Sorry for the double post…

  • Minna H | October 11, 2006 at 1:26 am |

    [quote comment=”13018″]As it turns out, I’m not shocked to find The Vancouver Grizz. This seems to be their first uni. Here’s another shot.

    I can’t seem to think of any current uni other than the T-Wolves.[/quote]

    Um, thanks? I *guess* I should thank you, Nolan, but those Gristly unis are atrocious, even without the leg-striping oddity. That baby/puke-blue color is awful.

    Please, Nolan, for the sake of my sanity, no mas! My retinas thank you.

  • Nolan | October 11, 2006 at 1:50 am |

    Sad to report that Adam Morrison is officially sock stripe-less Damn NBA Couldn’t they just turn a blind eye like they did last year with the tights.

  • LondonGraham | October 11, 2006 at 7:36 am |

    [quote comment=”12967″] i just am still young (20 yrs old) and don’t want to dress like a professional yet. this may sound harsh, i don’t want to feel old by dressing like a ‘grown-up’. i think there is a similar feeling among other youth.[/quote]

    Heck, I’m 38 and a middle manager in a NYSE listed corporation, and I identify with that comment 100%. One of the things I love about my job is that we all dress like techies.

  • Brooks Reuter | October 11, 2006 at 8:18 am |

    I am a manager for the contract department of a fortune 25 pharmaceutical company, and I agree with the untucked mentality. I wear slacks and a dress shirt four days a week, and casual Friday I wear jeans and a tee shirt or a polo shirt, and it is always untucked. I actually enjoy getting dressed up and looking professional, but if given the choice I will always choose jeans or shorts, with my shirt untucked. I also firmly believe that I never look sloppy or unkempt even though I choose to leave my shirt untucked. I am 25 and I also believe that nothing says “dork” or “old man” like a shirt tucked in to shorts.

  • Kenny | October 11, 2006 at 9:23 am |

    [quote comment=”12974″]Why should sports athletes have to tuck in their jerseys? They aren’t hosting the Queen of England that they have to be formal or something. Whenever I’ve played sports, I always found it restricting to my movement. I hate tucked in shirts. The jerseys should just be made shorter and tighter around the waste to accomodate if somebody leaves their jersey untucked.[/quote]

    Well first of all it is a rule and the refs/umps tell you to tuck it in. Also as someone said earlier, they are able to see if they are getting held, pulled, etc. when the jersey is tucked in. Also, like someone said earlier as well, make the jersey longer so it doesn’t restrict movement. I’ve never had a problem with a jersey restricting movement, shoulder pads and leg pads maybe, but never a basketball jersey or even my football jerseys.

  • Kenny | October 11, 2006 at 9:29 am |

    [quote comment=”12993″]What is the big deal with tucking in shirts? I am female so the same rules for professional attire do not apply. I always say button-down shirt, tuck. No buttons, no tuck. Unless you are wearing a belt then maybe tuck.

    To make this more uni-related. I say if the fashion statement affects your performance do what feels best. Perhaps something like the short football jersey makes the players feel like they are less likely to be tackled. Same with the undone belt. Maybe they have to wear the belt but it hurts to fall on the belt buckle. I know I risk being banished for this statement, but I would much rather see my team win than have tucked in shirts.

    The pajama pants thing is another issue though. Not only do you look like an idiot, it can not help a player to wear their pants like that and might even hinder in some cases.[/quote]

    Not sure how it can hurt fall on cloth

  • Mark in Shiga | October 11, 2006 at 9:52 am |

    Count me in with the appreciative-of-good-dressing crowd; I’m also in my 20s and while the upkeep of good clothes can be a hassle compared to t-shirts and jeans that you just toss in the laundry, people unconsciously treat you better if you look decent, and you do much better in attracting well-dressed members of the opposite sex if you put in the effort yourself.

    Of course, I live in Japan, where people dress a little better than Americans. No shorts, no bare feet — I seriously hope the ridiculous fad of women wearing flip-flops to work never comes here!

    And on the field, even amateur company baseball teams have professional-quality full uniforms with pants, socks, etc. Compare this to the US where they just give each guy a T-shirt. Only problem here is the cost!

  • ACC | October 11, 2006 at 2:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”13013″]Also, I blame the Ravens for making the NFL think that it’s OK to wear dark jerseys with dark pants. When they first moved to Baltimore, the Ravens home unis were purple jerseys with black pants. (they didn’t even have white pants) And while I’m not the purple hater that many on this board are, and purple on black is technically not “monochromatic”, I think we can all agree that that combo sucks… After that 96 season, we slowly saw (and still see) teams experiment with (sucky) all dark looks.[/quote]

    do we have to all agree? No.

    What’s your problem with Black & Purple. They’re the RAVENS! They’re original uniforms.

    What do you want – every team to look the same red, white, and blue.

  • Phil T | October 13, 2006 at 7:14 pm |

    Finally, I’m not sure if this has been posted yet, but here’s the logo for the 2007 NHL Draft . A pretty cool variation on the Jackets alt logo, if you ask me.

    Unfortunately, the 2007 NHL Draft logo in Columbus is a rip-off of the NBA 2002 All-Star Game/Philly logo both designed by the same firm. Ouchie!!!

    NHL 2007 Draft

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    NBA All-Star 2002

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