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Light(weight) Sabres

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Okay, by now that we’ve all had a few days to digest the new Sabres uniforms. Aside from the obvious (color scheme = good, logo = bad), here are some of my thoughts on the matter:

• The very first thing that caught my eye is that there are no stripes or other design along the jersey’s hemline — a major departure from hockey tradition. That’s why the chest logo looks like it’s floating so high, because there’s nothing to anchor it at the base of the jersey. The NHL has a few other jerseys with unadorned hemline areas, but they’re pretty rare, and Buffalo now becomes the only NHL team whose home and road jerseys both employ this design approach. Over on Chris Creamer‘s message boards, someone else noticed this and had an interesting comment:

This is clearly a jersey designed with Reebok’s form-fitting uni plans for next year in mind. The empty lower half of the jersey strongly suggests that Reebok is still trying to aggressively push that their new jerseys be tucked into the pants next season [an idea that had reportedly been pushed by Reebok but resisted by team GMs last season]. After all, what’s the point of putting anything on the bottom if nobody’s going to see it on the ice?

Whether or not that analysis is correct, these jerseys need some lower striping, pronto.

• The front uni numbers don’t bother me — in fact, I kinda like them. The problem is that they create a boring symmetry when a captain’s “C” or alternate’s “A” is added.

• What is the deal already with all the bells and whistles in the underarm area? It’s a total mess. Check out what we’re all gonna have to look at every time someone raises his arms to celebrate a goal or make a save — ugh.

• It’s bad enough that the NBA and NFL are constantly adding garish matching side panels to jerseys and pants — now we’ve got the Sabres doing it too. The jersey side panel looks ridiculous. And yeah, it forms a continuous stripe pattern with the breezers when they happen to match up — but the nature of an active sport like hockey is that they usually don’t match up.

• All things considered, the rear view isn’t bad.

Overall, a missed opportunity. But I really hated the previous design, so I actually see this as an upgrade, if only a minor one.

Uni Watch News Ticker: Latest Japanese baseball observation from Jeremy Brahm: different-sized surname lettering on the same team. … Bryan Redemske reports that investment guru Warren Buffet had lunch with LeBron James the other day and showed up wearing a complete Cavs uniform, complete with a jersey that had “Buffett” on the back. … Sock stripe-o-rama in Saturday’s Portuguese league soccer match between Sporting and Pacos de Ferreira (the latter of which looks like an Oregon satellite program, no?). … Speaking of Oregon, they looked, um, really classy in Saturday‘s game against Oklahoma. … Iowa players blacked out the Big 10 logo on their helmets’ nose bumpers on Saturday, a memorial gesture for linebacker Mike Klinkenborg’s father, who died earlier in the week. … No photo, but several readers asked why a Texas A&M player had “12th Man” on his right sleeve, in place of his TV number. Anyone know the story behind this? … No photo again, but a nameless reader claims that Navy’s placekicker had “NVAY” printed on his jersey, instead of “NAVY,” in Saturday’s game. Can anyone confirm? … Some serious vertical arching on Italy’s Atalanta Bergamasca Calcio soccer team (with thanks to Bryan Redemske).

 

187 comments to Light(weight) Sabres

  • Mark Graban | September 18, 2006 at 9:08 am |

    I just noticed that in the XBox “NCAA 2007” game that Oregon has FOUR alternate jersey options (Miami has one, by comparision, the orange pants). All of the Oregon options appear to be the “old” unis — only green helmets for example. But, you can play all green, all yellow, all white, white tops and yellow pants, I believe.

    Will the next version (NCAA 2008) allow all 3 million options (or whatever the number is)?

  • Ryan | September 18, 2006 at 9:14 am |

    The matching side panels on the Sabres sweater and trunks may very well be another “push” from Reebok to make the new form-fitting jerseys for next season tucked in the pants. With the sweater/jersey tucked in the pants, the side panels would be a lot more likely to match up.

  • BohdiBros | September 18, 2006 at 9:16 am |
  • N. | September 18, 2006 at 9:20 am |

    BohdiBros beat me to it.. And Jackie Sherrill’s walk-on specal teamers i’m sure made for some wonderful errors..

  • ESS | September 18, 2006 at 9:23 am |

    The Sabres’ new logo is atrocious. I tried to like it, I seriously did. I thought the last one was terrible, but this takes the cake.

    I agree that the return to the old colors is a great idea. Maybe with using the throwback for some games this season, they’re leaving open the possibility of returning to them in the future?

    However people got the Isles to stop using the Gorton’s fisherman logo and go back to the classic one, needs to be done again in Buffalo!

  • Doug | September 18, 2006 at 9:24 am |

    The Texas A&M could have been the 12th man on the team. Each year, one walk-on is selected to play special teams, kick-off and punt coverage, and that player is considered the physical representation of the fans (the other 12th man) on the field.

    I didn’t know they wore a special patch, but a quick glance at the Aggie roster shows no one wears the actual number 12.

  • Chris | September 18, 2006 at 9:25 am |

    I didn’t have a chance to write over the weekend but I was watching the BC/BYU game and noticed that BYU had 2 merit stickers, One was silver and one was gold. I couldn’t find a good picture of it. I know Paul wrote about stickers before but I can’t remember if he mentioned BYU (I would look at the article but am not an “Insider”). Anyone know the meaning of each sticker?

  • Casey | September 18, 2006 at 9:28 am |

    The biggest problem with the Buffalo jerseys is the fact that the color scheme is stolen from a team with even uglier jerseys (Nashville). The should have left out the silver/gray color.

    The other thing is the blatant better alternative of just creating a jersey that looked like the LaFontaine-era sweaters. You can use the darker blue and modern logo, but go back to the traditional template, a la the Islanders.

  • Kim | September 18, 2006 at 9:30 am |

    The Buffalo unis are a far sight better than the last ones. OK, some tweaking could happen. But overall they’re good.

    The front numbers are actually good. They’ll help identify players to fans, especially the casual fan. Though they seem to stand out better on the blue shirt. It seems like they could be bigger or bolder on the white shirts (along with the captain’s ‘C’).

  • Burrill | September 18, 2006 at 9:33 am |

    At my local high school’s football game this week, someone decided that logo creep would be motivational to the team: team work wins.

    Apparently it worked, since they dominated a highly-ranked opponent.

  • PDXclark | September 18, 2006 at 9:35 am |

    Posts #3 & 4- Most everyone knows about A&M’s 12th man tradition. What was interesting is that apparently a player was wearing it over his assigned shoulder/sleeve number. #6 might be on to something though…

  • Christopher Martinez | September 18, 2006 at 9:37 am |

    [quote comment=”9308″]The Texas A&M could have been the 12th man on the team. Each year, one walk-on is selected to play special teams, kick-off and punt coverage, and that player is considered the physical representation of the fans (the other 12th man) on the field.

    I didn’t know they wore a special patch, but a quick glance at the Aggie roster shows no one wears the actual number 12.[/quote]

    That was the jersey of the designated “12th Man”. The Texas A&M 12th Man tradition dates to 1922 when E. King Gill (an A&M student)was asked to come down from the stands and suit up for a game against Centre College. He did so and that willingness to enter the fray on behalf of the team has been tradition ever since. In the 80’s when Jackie Sherrill was coach he created an entire kickoff coverage team that was all walk-on students. This team covered all kickoffs at home games. During the Jackie Sherrill era they never allowed a runback for a TD. During RC Slocum’s tenure they did allow a runback and Slocum later changed the tradition from an entire kickoff team to one player in kickoff coverage. These are the only players that wear number 12.

  • BCrisp | September 18, 2006 at 9:39 am |

    There is a group of walkons on the A&M’s team. Before each game Coach Fran announces who will represent the fans as The 12th Man. He wears a number 12, has the patch, and plays on kick returns.
    Coach Fran will also sometime play an entrie kickoff team of walkons, a “12th Man Kickoff Team.”
    The 12th Man tradition has had some variations over the years, but this is the currently the way it is.

  • Dane | September 18, 2006 at 9:45 am |

    Going back to Sunday’s open thread, are we sure the City of Hartford is holding onto the Whalers logo & insignia, just waiting for the NHL to return? Because if that was the case, wouldn’t it make sense for the city to sell licensed products, and show the league, “Hey, we’ve sold 50,000 jerseys and we don’t even have a team! We deserve a franchise.”

    I say this because I’m sure I’ve read that the Hurricanes owner still has the rights to the Whalers logo, and shelved it, fearing more people would buy the green instead of the red and black.

    Same way the TB Bucs owner wants everyone to buy the maroon and pewter, not the exquisite orange that we all love and miss so much.

  • Matt | September 18, 2006 at 9:46 am |

    Texas A&M tried to sue the Seahawks over using the 12th man back in January

  • Kim | September 18, 2006 at 9:48 am |

    [quote comment=”9318″]Going back to Sunday’s open thread, are we sure the City of Hartford is holding onto the Whalers logo & insignia, just waiting for the NHL to return? Because if that was the case, wouldn’t it make sense for the city to sell licensed products, and show the league, “Hey, we’ve sold 50,000 jerseys and we don’t even have a team! We deserve a franchise.”

    I say this because I’m sure I’ve read that the Hurricanes owner still has the rights to the Whalers logo, and shelved it, fearing more people would buy the green instead of the red and black.
    [/quote]

    I think you’re right on this. When the NHL was rolling out all the throwbacks a few years ago, you couldn’t get any Whalers merch. And it was due to the ‘Canes trying to distance themselves from the existance of the Whalers.

  • Matthew | September 18, 2006 at 9:59 am |

    Anyone else notice how un-uniform the Redskins socks were last night?

    Some guys had extremely high whites, others had full length burgundy socks with no white at all. As a team, their socks were all over the place.

  • Chris Doran | September 18, 2006 at 10:00 am |

    [quote comment=”9302″]The matching side panels on the Sabres sweater and trunks may very well be another “push” from Reebok to make the new form-fitting jerseys for next season tucked in the pants. With the sweater/jersey tucked in the pants, the side panels would be a lot more likely to match up.[/quote]

    Unfortunately i agree with you. But I can’t see it working. Ever try a slap shot, or make a glove save? The sweater moves… tucking it in would be highly restrictive..

    Just my 2 cents.

  • Beefalo | September 18, 2006 at 10:09 am |

    Am I the only one that thought about these jerseys after seeing the Sabres new jerseys? Number treatments are different (and the bottom hem, of course) but something seemed similar…

  • Nik | September 18, 2006 at 10:11 am |

    [quote comment=”9324″][quote comment=”9302″]The matching side panels on the Sabres sweater and trunks may very well be another “push” from Reebok to make the new form-fitting jerseys for next season tucked in the pants. With the sweater/jersey tucked in the pants, the side panels would be a lot more likely to match up.[/quote]

    Unfortunately i agree with you. But I can’t see it working. Ever try a slap shot, or make a glove save? The sweater moves… tucking it in would be highly restrictive..

    Just my 2 cents.[/quote]

    Tucking it in works, but it’s usually more of a pain in the ass than it’s worth. It is always coming untucked.

    Also, if the jersey is too small, it kind of tucks itself in. It will probably look bad with the uniforms, but the jersey just kind of falls into looking tucked.

  • BCrisp | September 18, 2006 at 10:11 am |

    Here’s an older photo of how the 12th Man used to be, not sure of year on this photo. Tales From Aggieland

  • Matt R. | September 18, 2006 at 10:13 am |

    As to the 12th man on Texas A&M’s kickoff coverage, I read that in the blowout opening game this season vs. Louisiana-Lafayette, A&M used all walk-ons for one kickoff coverage play. Presumably, this was late in the game after the outcome had been decided.

  • Big Ed | September 18, 2006 at 10:19 am |

    Paul,
    My heart dropped when you posed the question as to the origin of the “12th Man” patch on A&M player’s sleeve…come on..you’re better than that

  • BCrisp | September 18, 2006 at 10:20 am |

    Yes, the 12th Man Kickoff team is used in blow outs, and only once or twice a game. So far I think Fran has used it once in three games. The singular 12th Man is still used in all kickoff returns.

  • Ed | September 18, 2006 at 10:22 am |

    Maybe this will help enable the Mets to wear their blue caps in the playoffs. I would like to see “Mets” written in orange and get rid of the black on the sides but its a step in the right direction!

    Blu jacket

  • Wade | September 18, 2006 at 10:23 am |

    [quote comment=”9310″]The biggest problem with the Buffalo jerseys is the fact that the color scheme is stolen from a team with even uglier jerseys (Nashville). The should have left out the silver/gray color.[/quote]

    I see nothing wrong with the Predators’ jerseys (except the mustard ones) and color scheme. I think it’s one of the best of the new expansion/relocation teams.

  • Kevin | September 18, 2006 at 10:25 am |

    When the Oregon uni photos were unveiled on here I didn’t notice they even had the diamond plate design on the knee part of the uniform. Those hands down are the worst uniforms ever. Thankfully I’m in Big Ten country so I don;t see much Pac 10 football around here aside from USC quite regularly.

  • Andrew F | September 18, 2006 at 10:25 am |

    I mean the Sabres unis are terrible, but the away (white) socks are horrendous. Also, can someone PLEASE get a royal blue pants shell for them to wear with the 3rd jerseys? Those angled navy things are not gonna cut it when you’re wearing a retro jersey. The Rangers did it when they wore the vintage ones a few years ago, no reason the Sabres can’t

  • CEdwards | September 18, 2006 at 10:27 am |

    Logo alert. Big 10 refs in football have a new era logo displayed on the left side of their hats. no pictures, but i saw it Saturday.

  • Bo | September 18, 2006 at 10:30 am |

    Also regarding the A&M-Army game, the Black Knights were wearing patches on the front that had different divisions(cavalry, infantry, etc.) represented…

  • Matt | September 18, 2006 at 10:34 am |

    I agree with Paul that Oregon’s uniformd saturday were “classy”. I think if you take away the diamond plate on the shoulders and knees, it wouldn’t look as bad as they do now.

  • Paul Lukas | September 18, 2006 at 10:35 am |

    [quote comment=”9330″]Paul,
    My heart dropped when you posed the question as to the origin of the “12th Man” patch on A&M player’s sleeve…come on..you’re better than that[/quote]

    I knew about the 12th man tradition, just not about the patch.

  • Natron | September 18, 2006 at 10:37 am |

    [quote comment=”9334″][quote comment=”9310″]The biggest problem with the Buffalo jerseys is the fact that the color scheme is stolen from a team with even uglier jerseys (Nashville). The should have left out the silver/gray color.[/quote]

    I see nothing wrong with the Predators’ jerseys (except the mustard ones) and color scheme. I think it’s one of the best of the new expansion/relocation teams.[/quote]

    I’ve gotta be a homer here and say that the Wild’s alternate jersey is the best of the expansion teams. It’s a classic “old time” type of look. No unnecessary piping, or stripes… just a solid, good looking jersey.

    The only thing that makes it better is when goalie Josh Harding pairs that jersey with his “old school” brown pads. You just feel like you’re back skating on the pond, don’t you?!

  • Mark in Shiga | September 18, 2006 at 10:40 am |

    Paul, Japanese jerseys have had player name lettering whose width depends on the length of the name ever since names were first put on the jerseys, and there are in fact three levels of width: the “standard” size (used by Kataoka in Jeremy’s picture; names of about 6-9 letters), an extra-wide style (Hiyama in the photo; 2-6 letters), and an extra thin style (9 letters or more).

    Here’s a good comparison of the wide style (Atsushi Yano #39) and the thin style (Tsuyoshi Shimoyanagi #42) on that same Hanshi Tigers team.

    Where things get really interesting is when teams use numbers of different widths depending on whether the jersey has 1, 2, or 3 digits. The Tigers don’t do this anymore, but until about 2000 they used them. Here’s Akinobu Mayumi’s extra-wide #7.

    The Yomiuri Giants produce a gimmick jersey with the number 4869 (this is for a detective manga and is a pun on the word “Sherlock”) that has ludicrously-thin numbers on it. (That’s a drawing, but this jersey is actually available for sale in kids’ sizes.)

    They also ran a promotion where fans could get Giants jerseys with their own numbers on them, ranging from 200 up to four digits. In this sample from the Giants’ web site, you can see the extra-wide letters combined with the extra-thin numbers.

    Another thing they’ll often do is leave extra space between each letter, like coach Yutaka Wada here. When he was playing, he wore the extra-wide #6, but I can’t find any photos.

    And I could have sworn that Scott Karl used this when he pitched with Milwaukee in the mid-1990s. It stood out because it looked so Japanese. Anyone got a photo?

  • Chris Doran | September 18, 2006 at 10:43 am |

    [quote comment=”9326″][quote comment=”9324″][quote comment=”9302″]The matching side panels on the Sabres sweater and trunks may very well be another “push” from Reebok to make the new form-fitting jerseys for next season tucked in the pants. With the sweater/jersey tucked in the pants, the side panels would be a lot more likely to match up.[/quote]

    Unfortunately i agree with you. But I can’t see it working. Ever try a slap shot, or make a glove save? The sweater moves… tucking it in would be highly restrictive..

    Just my 2 cents.[/quote]

    Tucking it in works, but it’s usually more of a pain in the ass than it’s worth. It is always coming untucked.

    Also, if the jersey is too small, it kind of tucks itself in. It will probably look bad with the uniforms, but the jersey just kind of falls into looking tucked.[/quote]

    On second, I can think of someone who made the tuck in work…

  • Mark in Shiga | September 18, 2006 at 10:48 am |

    More on the lettering-width front:

    Here are the three different widths on display for the Yomiuri Giants.

    Here’s a Chunichi Dragons celebration in which #105 has numerals which are extra-thin (compare #80 to his left).

    And when the Hanshin Tigers won it last year, we were treated to Tiger staffer Kase #106 and his thin numbers plus spaced letters!

  • Chris Doran | September 18, 2006 at 10:50 am |

    [quote comment=”9341″][quote comment=”9334″][quote comment=”9310″]The biggest problem with the Buffalo jerseys is the fact that the color scheme is stolen from a team with even uglier jerseys (Nashville). The should have left out the silver/gray color.[/quote]

    I see nothing wrong with the Predators’ jerseys (except the mustard ones) and color scheme. I think it’s one of the best of the new expansion/relocation teams.[/quote]

    I’ve gotta be a homer here and say that the Wild’s alternate jersey is the best of the expansion teams. It’s a classic “old time” type of look. No unnecessary piping, or stripes… just a solid, good looking jersey.

    The only thing that makes it better is when goalie Josh Harding pairs that jersey with his “old school” brown pads. You just feel like you’re back skating on the pond, don’t you?![/quote]

    Now THAT is a good look for goalies!!

  • Rob in Buffalo | September 18, 2006 at 10:57 am |

    The reason for the different colored pants (from what I’ve heard) is that the NHL wouldn’t aapprove the matching color pants. Accortding to Larrey Quinn, they can’t get a standardized color from the various equipment manufacturers.

    The color of the third Jersey is going to be darkened to macth the color of the standard jersey one the new jersey design is implemeted (I mean the slim fit/tucked in jersey’s)

    The lack of bottom stripes is also because of the pending change to the fitted jerseys

    I think they should use the old-school Blue and gold for the regular jersey’s and wear the dark slug jersey as the alternate.

  • Mark in Shiga | September 18, 2006 at 10:57 am |

    OK, one more lettering-width-related post.

    The Daiei Hawks didn’t use thinner numbers, so poor Hirota (#105) has his number hanging off the sides of his jersey:

    here

  • Mark Mihalik | September 18, 2006 at 10:57 am |

    I’d need to see the outsole to be sure, but I think Coco Crisp might be wearing soccer cleats. It could just be a future speedster cleat that adidas will release for next year, but check out this photo of Coco…

    http://cache.boston....

    …and this photo of the adidas Tunit, a customizable soccer boot…

    http://www.eastbay.c...

    Thoughts?

  • Mike from Queens | September 18, 2006 at 11:00 am |

    [quote comment=”9341″]The only thing that makes it better is when goalie Josh Harding pairs that jersey with his “old school” brown pads. You just feel like you’re back skating on the pond, don’t you?![/quote]

    I would, except I’ve never skated on a pond and that goalie helmet sticks out terribly. I see your point, but the helmet kills it for me. I also like the sweaters (they deserve to be called that), but I love those mustard colored Pred jerseys.

    I posted this yesterday and didn’t get any response, so I’m throwing it out there again even though it was ignored or showed my ignorance or both. I hope the links still work.

    What’s the NFL rule on shoe color again? I thought it was only black or white, and that it should be uniform for the whole team. Giants observations from the last two weeks:

    Brandon Jacobs with blue outlining his toe. Eli and David Diehl wearing simple black. Jay Feely’s fading blue into black kicking shoe (I know the rules are different for kickers). Plax Burress with a whole lot of red showing. Tiki’s red-accented shoes. Antonio Pierce with serious redness (bonus shot of Dominic Rhodes’ name template coming off. Chad Morton might be the most egregious offender. Someone there with blue socks and red shoes (I know both teams wear blue socks, but the Giants keep more blue showing than the Colts).

    So questions are:
    Since when was red allowed? How much is too much? These shoes are certainly not uniform. Are other teams as flippantly misbehaved?

  • Natron | September 18, 2006 at 11:04 am |

    [quote comment=”9348″][quote comment=”9341″][quote comment=”9334″]
    I’ve gotta be a homer here and say that the Wild’s alternate jersey is the best of the expansion teams. It’s a classic “old time” type of look. No unnecessary piping, or stripes… just a solid, good looking jersey.

    The only thing that makes it better is when goalie Josh Harding pairs that jersey with his “old school” brown pads. You just feel like you’re back skating on the pond, don’t you?![/quote]

    Now THAT is a good look for goalies!![/quote]

    I know Rick DiPietro has also worn brown pads for both Team U.S.A. and the Islanders (of course, he’s also worn these and these as well).

    Does anybody know any NHL goalies other than DiPitero and Harding wearing brown pads?

  • Nik | September 18, 2006 at 11:09 am |

    [quote comment=”9344″][quote comment=”9326″][quote comment=”9324″][quote comment=”9302″]The matching side panels on the Sabres sweater and trunks may very well be another “push” from Reebok to make the new form-fitting jerseys for next season tucked in the pants. With the sweater/jersey tucked in the pants, the side panels would be a lot more likely to match up.[/quote]

    Unfortunately i agree with you. But I can’t see it working. Ever try a slap shot, or make a glove save? The sweater moves… tucking it in would be highly restrictive..

    Just my 2 cents.[/quote]

    Tucking it in works, but it’s usually more of a pain in the ass than it’s worth. It is always coming untucked.

    Also, if the jersey is too small, it kind of tucks itself in. It will probably look bad with the uniforms, but the jersey just kind of falls into looking tucked.[/quote]

    On second, I can think of someone who made the tuck in work…[/quote]

    I can’t really do a ton of searching here at work, but I believe Modano also tucked in one side of his jersey.

    I don’t know if there is picture proof of it, but I remember doing it when I was little, and the North Stars were here, because he did it.

    About Josh Harding’s helmet, I really like the tribute to the old style masks on it. What I really wish he would do is take his mask and change it to a tribute to an old North Stars goalie or something. What he has now looks nice though.

    I’m not super into the alternate Wild jersey. I don’t really like the logo on there. I’d rather see it say Minnesota or Wild diagonally across the jersey (Colorado uses something like it already, which may be a reason not to do it, though).

  • Paul Lukas | September 18, 2006 at 11:10 am |

    [quote comment=”9353″]What’s the NFL rule on shoe color again? I thought it was only black or white, and that it should be uniform for the whole team.[/quote]

    Each team must choose either black or white, but each player’s shoes can be accented with team colors (blue and red, in the Giants’ case), as long as the “predominant color” remains black or white. The accenting issue has become more prominent lately, now that virtually any player can get a custom-made shoe with all sorts of detailing.

  • Kevin | September 18, 2006 at 11:10 am |

    In regards to Coco Crisp wearing soccer cleats, they sort of look like they may be since soccer cleats are less bulkier than regular baseball cleats. The only thing I could think that would be a disadvantage to wearing a soccer cleat in baseball is that soccer cleats have no cleat right up front where a baseball cleat has one.

  • DJ | September 18, 2006 at 11:11 am |

    I’ve gotta be a homer here and say that the Wild’s alternate jersey is the best of the expansion teams. It’s a classic “old time” type of look. No unnecessary piping, or stripes… just a solid, good looking jersey.

    IIRC, isn’t the crest on the Wild’s alternate jersey made of old-school felt? If so, it’s all the more cool.

  • Barney | September 18, 2006 at 11:23 am |

    [quote comment=”9348″][quote comment=”9341″][quote comment=”9334″][quote comment=”9310″]The biggest problem with the Buffalo jerseys is the fact that the color scheme is stolen from a team with even uglier jerseys (Nashville). The should have left out the silver/gray color.[/quote]

    I see nothing wrong with the Predators’ jerseys (except the mustard ones) and color scheme. I think it’s one of the best of the new expansion/relocation teams.[/quote]

    I’ve gotta be a homer here and say that the Wild’s alternate jersey is the best of the expansion teams. It’s a classic “old time” type of look. No unnecessary piping, or stripes… just a solid, good looking jersey.

    The only thing that makes it better is when goalie Josh Harding pairs that jersey with his “old school” brown pads. You just feel like you’re back skating on the pond, don’t you?![/quote]

    Now THAT is a good look for goalies!![/quote]

    Agreed. This is a rare time when an alternate jersey looks “old school” rather than “futuristic” or “faux-retro”. The brown goalie pads re-enforce the “old school” look. Anyone got a better close up shot of Josh Harding’s mask which has drawings of old-time masks (Cheevers’, Dryden’s, Plante’s, etc.) on it? A very cool tribute to his predecessors at that position.

  • JFront10 | September 18, 2006 at 11:27 am |

    Brandon Jacobs is wearing white cleats in that picture but since the Giants shoe color is black he’s using black tape to make it look like a black cleat.

  • Joe Drennan | September 18, 2006 at 11:28 am |

    Is it me, or does the Bronco helmet decale seem bigger this year?

  • specs | September 18, 2006 at 11:40 am |

    [quote comment=”9357″][quote comment=”9353″]What’s the NFL rule on shoe color again? I thought it was only black or white, and that it should be uniform for the whole team.[/quote]

    Each team must choose either black or white, but each player’s shoes can be accented with team colors (blue and red, in the Giants’ case), as long as the “predominant color” remains black or white. The accenting issue has become more prominent lately, now that virtually any player can get a custom-made shoe with all sorts of detailing.[/quote]

    I understand the rule on color accents, since there are hardly any shoes that are solid black or white. What I don’t get is why Brandon Jacobs (and Dominic Rhodes in that other photo) can wear white shoes. Are they allowed to do so as long as they have black spats, giving the illusion that they’re main shoe color is black?

  • Natron | September 18, 2006 at 11:41 am |

    [quote comment=”9361″][quote comment=”9348″][quote comment=”9341″][quote comment=”9334″][quote comment=”9310″]

    Agreed. This is a rare time when an alternate jersey looks “old school” rather than “futuristic” or “faux-retro”. The brown goalie pads re-enforce the “old school” look. Anyone got a better close up shot of Josh Harding’s mask which has drawings of old-time masks (Cheevers’, Dryden’s, Plante’s, etc.) on it? A very cool tribute to his predecessors at that position.[/quote]

    Here’s a little closer look at Harding’s mask and pads.

  • Nik | September 18, 2006 at 11:47 am |

    [quote comment=”9355″][quote comment=”9348″][quote comment=”9341″][quote comment=”9334″]
    I’ve gotta be a homer here and say that the Wild’s alternate jersey is the best of the expansion teams. It’s a classic “old time” type of look. No unnecessary piping, or stripes… just a solid, good looking jersey.

    The only thing that makes it better is when goalie Josh Harding pairs that jersey with his “old school” brown pads. You just feel like you’re back skating on the pond, don’t you?![/quote]

    Now THAT is a good look for goalies!![/quote]

    I know Rick DiPietro has also worn brown pads for both Team U.S.A. and the Islanders (of course, he’s also worn these and these as well).

    Does anybody know any NHL goalies other than DiPitero and Harding wearing brown pads?[/quote]

    At lunchtime, I’ll try to remember to look, but I thought I read that Toivenen (can’t spell it, he’s a goalie for Boston) has some for this season.

    If he doesn’t, he at least has Denis Lemiuex’s mask from Slapshot.

  • Barney | September 18, 2006 at 11:49 am |

    Natron, thanks. It looks even better with him being a left-handed goalie; gives him the old Tony Esposito look. – Barney

  • Kim | September 18, 2006 at 11:51 am |

    Some guy named Gretzky used to tuck in half of his jersey.

    Of course it was the side with the logos so duplicate logos were put on the opposite side of the jersey.

  • Nolan | September 18, 2006 at 11:52 am |

    Does anyone out there know what Jason Taylor and LaVar Arrington wear on their shoulder pads. You have to look close in the pictures, but if you see them play their jerseys are being pushed up right on their names. I know other players have these, but Taylor is the one I most associate with this item.

    So, what is this thing called, and what does it look like sans jersey?

  • Bryan B | September 18, 2006 at 11:54 am |

    [quote comment=”9309″]I didn’t have a chance to write over the weekend but I was watching the BC/BYU game and noticed that BYU had 2 merit stickers, One was silver and one was gold. I couldn’t find a good picture of it. I know Paul wrote about stickers before but I can’t remember if he mentioned BYU (I would look at the article but am not an “Insider”). Anyone know the meaning of each sticker?[/quote]

    BYU has two different merit stickers. The blue (not silver) stickers are for on field accomplishments. The gold are for academic accomplishments or for work in the community.

  • Natron | September 18, 2006 at 12:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”9371″]Does anyone out there know what Jason Taylor and LaVar Arrington wear on their shoulder pads. You have to look close in the pictures, but if you see them play their jerseys are being pushed up right on their names. I know other players have these, but Taylor is the one I most associate with this item.

    So, what is this thing called, and what does it look like sans jersey?[/quote]

    It’s a tube for their TMS (Temperature Management System) pads. They pump some sort of water or something through them to keep cool. A picture of them plugged in can be found here.

  • Riff | September 18, 2006 at 12:02 pm |

    Cal unveiled gold pants against Portland State.

    USC looks like they http://i.a.cnn.net./.... The bottom half of the side panel is still stretchy, but they inserted some mesh to go up under the arms. I don’t know if the coloring is different as well or their just sweatsoaked, but that obvious pointy shaped side panel hasn’t been like that before.

    Mike from Queens, Jay Feely’s cleats are Nike’s Air Zoom Total 90 III soccer cleats. I’ve been anxiously anticipating an NFL kicker wearing those! Looks great.

  • Bouj | September 18, 2006 at 12:03 pm |

    My girlfriend (an Aggie) said when she was there in the mid-90’s that there was not a single 12th Man for the season, but one for each game, so there were actually a dozen or so 12th Men.

    She knew someone who had the chance to be a 4th-team LB and never play all year or be the 12th Man for one game (it was an either/or situation for some reason under RC Slocum). He chose the 12th Man.

  • Riff | September 18, 2006 at 12:04 pm |

    Sorry, that’s supposed to say that “it looks like they tweaked their jerseys.”

  • Ryan | September 18, 2006 at 12:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”9341″][quote comment=”9334″][quote comment=”9310″]The biggest problem with the Buffalo jerseys is the fact that the color scheme is stolen from a team with even uglier jerseys (Nashville). The should have left out the silver/gray color.[/quote]

    I see nothing wrong with the Predators’ jerseys (except the mustard ones) and color scheme. I think it’s one of the best of the new expansion/relocation teams.[/quote]

    I’ve gotta be a homer here and say that the Wild’s alternate jersey is the best of the expansion teams. It’s a classic “old time” type of look. No unnecessary piping, or stripes… just a solid, good looking jersey.

    The only thing that makes it better is when goalie Josh Harding pairs that jersey with his “old school” brown pads. You just feel like you’re back skating on the pond, don’t you?![/quote]

    As a former high school ice hockey goalie I love those brown pads, however Natron I disagree with you about Minnesota having the best expansion jerseys. Personally I love the Columbus alternate jersey Jackets Jersey

    Then again I also have season tickets to the jackets and like the color blue so is my opinion biased? Oh yes, but just my 2 cents.

    /long time lerker
    //first time poster

  • Nolan | September 18, 2006 at 12:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”9374″][quote comment=”9371″]Does anyone out there know what Jason Taylor and LaVar Arrington wear on their shoulder pads. You have to look close in the pictures, but if you see them play their jerseys are being pushed up right on their names. I know other players have these, but Taylor is the one I most associate with this item.

    So, what is this thing called, and what does it look like sans jersey?[/quote]

    It’s a tube for their TMS (Temperature Management System) pads. They pump some sort of water or something through them to keep cool. A picture of them plugged in can be found here.[/quote]

    Seems like a possibility, but I don’t think that’s the real answer. Taylor was wearing this since before that technology came about.

    They showed that TMS (temp management system) on the NBC game last night, and Greg Ellis was hooked up to it. He however doesn’t have the hump on his back.

  • Ryan | September 18, 2006 at 12:16 pm |

    Sorry screwed up the link

    Jackets Jersey

    any chance webmaster we can get a preview post buttom for people that suck at html like me?

  • Buckeye Mike | September 18, 2006 at 12:17 pm |

    Ok, this isn’t about those nasty slug’s uni’s or anything, but we have been talking about it since they came out. Has anyone noticed that on the new NFL ref’s uni’s that with the stripping around that little number plate on the back, the 2 white stipes looks like devil horns? I think it’s funne. I can’t find a good pic, but you can kind of see it here

  • Natron | September 18, 2006 at 12:18 pm |
  • John Ekdahl | September 18, 2006 at 12:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”9384″]any chance webmaster we can get a preview post buttom for people that suck at html like me?[/quote]
    I’ve toyed with the idea. Is this something that people here would want?

  • Natron | September 18, 2006 at 12:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”9382″][quote comment=”9341″][quote comment=”9334″][quote comment=”9310″]The biggest problem with the Buffalo jerseys is the fact that the color scheme is stolen from a team with even uglier jerseys (Nashville). The should have left out the silver/gray color.[/quote]

    I see nothing wrong with the Predators’ jerseys (except the mustard ones) and color scheme. I think it’s one of the best of the new expansion/relocation teams.[/quote]

    I’ve gotta be a homer here and say that the Wild’s alternate jersey is the best of the expansion teams. It’s a classic “old time” type of look. No unnecessary piping, or stripes… just a solid, good looking jersey.

    The only thing that makes it better is when goalie Josh Harding pairs that jersey with his “old school” brown pads. You just feel like you’re back skating on the pond, don’t you?![/quote]

    As a former high school ice hockey goalie I love those brown pads, however Natron I disagree with you about Minnesota having the best expansion jerseys. Personally I love the Columbus alternate jersey Jackets Jersey

    Then again I also have season tickets to the jackets and like the color blue so is my opinion biased? Oh yes, but just my 2 cents.

    /long time lerker
    //first time poster[/quote]

    Everybody has a home team favoritism I guess (I know I do), but for me, I’m not a big fan of throwing stars all over a uniform. It always reminds me of something else.

  • specs | September 18, 2006 at 12:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”9387″][quote comment=”9384″]any chance webmaster we can get a preview post buttom for people that suck at html like me?[/quote]
    I’ve toyed with the idea. Is this something that people here would want?[/quote]

    If it’s something thats feasible, I would say yes. It would save people from double-posting to correct errors, since the coding for links is rather long and complex.

  • Natron | September 18, 2006 at 12:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”9387″][quote comment=”9384″]any chance webmaster we can get a preview post buttom for people that suck at html like me?[/quote]
    I’ve toyed with the idea. Is this something that people here would want?[/quote]

    YES! I constantly look like a moron posting on here because I KANT TIPE! I’m really a moron for so many other things as well… this makes me look like a one trick pony.

  • Banker Bill | September 18, 2006 at 12:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”9341″][quote comment=”9334″][quote comment=”9310″]The biggest problem with the Buffalo jerseys is the fact that the color scheme is stolen from a team with even uglier jerseys (Nashville). The should have left out the silver/gray color.[/quote]

    I see nothing wrong with the Predators’ jerseys (except the mustard ones) and color scheme. I think it’s one of the best of the new expansion/relocation teams.[/quote]

    I’ve gotta be a homer here and say that the Wild’s alternate jersey is the best of the expansion teams. It’s a classic “old time” type of look. No unnecessary piping, or stripes… just a solid, good looking jersey.

    The only thing that makes it better is when goalie Josh Harding pairs that jersey with his “old school” brown pads. You just feel like you’re back skating on the pond, don’t you?![/quote]

    I don’t get it – the Wild’s 3rd jerseys are really peculiar – as is the entire logo. If there was any sense to Minnesota bringing back NHL hockey, they should have went with an old professional name like the Saints. I haven’t liked that Wild logo since day 1 – and what exactly is a Wild? Never been a big fan of team names that do not sound plural – like the Lightning (although that’s my men’s league team.)

  • Lee | September 18, 2006 at 12:34 pm |

    I can confirm that the Navy kicker was wearing “NAYV” on his jersey. I was one of the unforunate to witness the Stanford game on TV. I am unable to capture images from TV though.

    Also, I specifically looked at NFL socks this weekend, and was saddened to see only TWO teams wore striped socks- the Bears & Cheifs. Every other team wore solid socks. (the Broncos do have an orange stripe below the blue on their socks).
    Too bad we have lost the Dolphins, 49ers, Saints, Packers, Colts even the Browns. With all the crazy stripes/piping the NFL has been slapping on uniforms, who decided solid color socks were the way to go?
    And I will bet you anything by the time next year rolls around, the NFL will put in a standard amount of white vs color socks will have to show, since you get situations like last nights Redskins game where some players wore solid marron socks, and some wore virtually all white.

    finally, while the Minnesota Wild may have decent looking third jerseys, they are still called the “Minnesota Wild”. Lamest name in top flight American sports, and their logo is awful as well.

    Lee

  • Mike from Queens | September 18, 2006 at 12:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”9365″]I understand the rule on color accents, since there are hardly any shoes that are solid black or white. What I don’t get is why Brandon Jacobs (and Dominic Rhodes in that other photo) can wear white shoes. Are they allowed to do so as long as they have black spats, giving the illusion that they’re main shoe color is black?[/quote]

    Actually, it’s not true that hardly any shoes are black or white. In going through all those Giants photos, most players had all-black cleats with a white logo. Unless that was your original point—that the logos skewed the shoes from being all-black or all-white. You’re probably right right about white cleats, though. If you were to ask me what color Culpepper’s and Kennison’s cleats were, I’d just say orange and red, respectively. They are definitely the “predominant colors,” as Paul quoted.

    As far as Jacobs and Rhodes… I guess the edict doesn’t apply to the actual shoe, but the color of the feet in general. The black on their shoes is just more than half the shoe, making it “predominant.” I’m guessing this isn’t just a coincidence.

  • Buckeye Mike | September 18, 2006 at 12:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”9391″][quote comment=”9382″][quote comment=”9341″][quote comment=”9334″][quote comment=”9310″]Everybody has a home team favoritism I guess (I know I do), but for me, I’m not a big fan of throwing stars all over a uniform. It always reminds me of something else.[/quote]

    I understand the whole looks like the 4th of July and everything and Uncle Sam, but that’s what the Jackets are going for with that alt. The Logo is supposed to be the blues(like the union army) and they are tryin to get support that way. come on, we are the same state that tried to have a football team that was named the glory and wore
    these thats just how they do in C Bus, kind of like everyone trys to put the nights and titans in New york, etc. as for me, I really like the alt unis too.

  • Banker Bill | September 18, 2006 at 12:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”9396″]I can confirm that the Navy kicker was wearing “NAYV” on his jersey. I was one of the unforunate to witness the Stanford game on TV. I am unable to capture images from TV though.

    Also, I specifically looked at NFL socks this weekend, and was saddened to see only TWO teams wore striped socks- the Bears & Cheifs. Every other team wore solid socks. (the Broncos do have an orange stripe below the blue on their socks).
    Too bad we have lost the Dolphins, 49ers, Saints, Packers, Colts even the Browns. With all the crazy stripes/piping the NFL has been slapping on uniforms, who decided solid color socks were the way to go?
    And I will bet you anything by the time next year rolls around, the NFL will put in a standard amount of white vs color socks will have to show, since you get situations like last nights Redskins game where some players wore solid marron socks, and some wore virtually all white.

    finally, while the Minnesota Wild may have decent looking third jerseys, they are still called the “Minnesota Wild”. Lamest name in top flight American sports, and their logo is awful as well.

    Lee[/quote]

    Lee, I see we drink the same Kool-Aid. It’s a shame too – because MN has without a doubt the best hockey fans in the US – and I’m a New Yorker with a Liberty Logo Rangers tattoo. Why is MN so good? Their HIGH SCHOOL championships sell 20,000 seats. I always said if I didn’t live here – for hockey purposes, I’d live in Minnesota.

  • Chris Doran | September 18, 2006 at 12:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”9387″][quote comment=”9384″]any chance webmaster we can get a preview post buttom for people that suck at html like me?[/quote]
    I’ve toyed with the idea. Is this something that people here would want?[/quote]

    Yes indeed!!!

  • Natron | September 18, 2006 at 12:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”9394″][quote comment=”9341″][quote comment=”9334″][quote comment=”9310″]The biggest problem with the Buffalo jerseys is the fact that the color scheme is stolen from a team with even uglier jerseys (Nashville). The should have left out the silver/gray color.[/quote]

    I see nothing wrong with the Predators’ jerseys (except the mustard ones) and color scheme. I think it’s one of the best of the new expansion/relocation teams.[/quote]

    I’ve gotta be a homer here and say that the Wild’s alternate jersey is the best of the expansion teams. It’s a classic “old time” type of look. No unnecessary piping, or stripes… just a solid, good looking jersey.

    The only thing that makes it better is when goalie Josh Harding pairs that jersey with his “old school” brown pads. You just feel like you’re back skating on the pond, don’t you?![/quote]

    I don’t get it – the Wild’s 3rd jerseys are really peculiar – as is the entire logo. If there was any sense to Minnesota bringing back NHL hockey, they should have went with an old professional name like the Saints. I haven’t liked that Wild logo since day 1 – and what exactly is a Wild? Never been a big fan of team names that do not sound plural – like the Lightning (although that’s my men’s league team.)[/quote]

    I can’t argue the team name either. I agree with you about the plural sounding team name. But of the alternatives given (Blue Ox, Northern Lights, White Bears, Voyageurs, and Freeze), Wild isn’t all that bad.

    As far as the logo, it drove me nuts when I first saw it too, it but as a Minnesotan, I like the sybolism within – it gives a big nod to a lot of the “Minnesota lifestyle” (for lack of a better term). The mouth is a river, the green trees on the face (there are also red trees if you look at it upside down), and the star on the sun it intended as a two fold tribute… it’s the North Star (being that Minnesota is the North Star state), and it’s a nod to the Minnesota North Stars as well.

    I don’t expect anybody outside of Minnesota to give 2 craps about this by the way!

  • skott | September 18, 2006 at 12:48 pm |

    not sure if you guys talked about it at all, but apparently the Bruins goalie Toivannan is wearing a mask that pays tribute to Slap Shot. the movie, not the band.

  • Banker Bill | September 18, 2006 at 12:49 pm |

    I can’t argue the team name either. I agree with you about the plural sounding team name. But of the alternatives given (Blue Ox, Northern Lights, White Bears, Voyageurs, and Freeze), Wild isn’t all that bad.

    As far as the logo, it drove me nuts when I first saw it too, it but as a Minnesotan, I like the sybolism within – it gives a big nod to a lot of the “Minnesota lifestyle” (for lack of a better term). The mouth is a river, the green trees on the face (there are also red trees if you look at it upside down), and the star on the sun it intended as a two fold tribute… it’s the North Star (being that Minnesota is the North Star state), and it’s a nod to the Minnesota North Stars as well.

    I don’t expect anybody outside of Minnesota to give 2 craps about this by the way![/quote]

    I still say, that until they moved, the Minnesota Moose (which IS PLURAL by the way!) had the coolest name and logo in hockey – although Manitoba Moose is just as cool, and the little Maple Leaf in the logo is a nice touch!

  • Tom | September 18, 2006 at 12:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”9396″]Also, I specifically looked at NFL socks this weekend, and was saddened to see only TWO teams wore striped socks- the Bears & Cheifs. Every other team wore solid socks. (the Broncos do have an orange stripe below the blue on their socks).
    Too bad we have lost the Dolphins, 49ers, Saints, Packers, Colts even the Browns. With all the crazy stripes/piping the NFL has been slapping on uniforms, who decided solid color socks were the way to go?[/quote]

    The Patriots wore striped socks.

  • mario | September 18, 2006 at 12:55 pm |

    gosh, it seems that the refs’ jerseys haven’t been that big of a del so far this season. i was one of the poeple that said no to it, but i guess i just have gotten used to it. Please tell em i’m not the only one here? And my principal for my school is an NFL ref, i should ask for his opinions on the topic.

  • Lee | September 18, 2006 at 12:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”9404″]
    The Patriots wore striped socks.[/quote]

    My bad… but the Patriots barely count.
    =]

    Lee

  • Dan | September 18, 2006 at 1:05 pm |

    quote comment=”9381″][quote comment=”9379″]Does anyone know when the Reskins announced that they were going to wear black shoes for last night’s game? I was surprised to see them. Have they worn black shoes ever in recent years?

    I know that the Red jerseys are rare because WAS chooses white at home, but will they continue to wear black shoes for the rest of the season with any or all of their uni combos?[/quote]

    They wore black shoes last week at home. I think it’s year long.[/quote]

    Below is a list of the teams that wear black shoes in the NFL. This is one more than Paul’s count in his column article “New Fashion League.” I guess that means the Redskin’s decision happened only recently.

    Jets, Bills, Bengals, Browns, Colts, Jaguars, Giants, Eagles, Redskins, Bears, Lions, Vikings, Falcons, Panthers, Saints, Bucs, Cardinals, Seahawks

  • a arauz | September 18, 2006 at 1:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”9310″]The biggest problem with the Buffalo jerseys is the fact that the color scheme is stolen from a team with even uglier jerseys (Nashville). The should have left out the silver/gray color.

    The other thing is the blatant better alternative of just creating a jersey that looked like the LaFontaine-era sweaters. You can use the darker blue and modern logo, but go back to the traditional template, a la the Islanders.[/quote]
    Casey…… ‘LaFontaine era????? I’m no Sabres fan, but the correct term is “Martin-Robert-Perreault’ era. Pat Laf was but a pimple those collective arses… the french connection was a massive line.

  • David | September 18, 2006 at 1:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”9383″][quote comment=”9374″][quote comment=”9371″]Does anyone out there know what Jason Taylor and LaVar Arrington wear on their shoulder pads. You have to look close in the pictures, but if you see them play their jerseys are being pushed up right on their names. I know other players have these, but Taylor is the one I most associate with this item.

    So, what is this thing called, and what does it look like sans jersey?[/quote]

    It’s a tube for their TMS (Temperature Management System) pads. They pump some sort of water or something through them to keep cool. A picture of them plugged in can be found here.[/quote]

    Seems like a possibility, but I don’t think that’s the real answer. Taylor was wearing this since before that technology came about.

    They showed that TMS (temp management system) on the NBC game last night, and Greg Ellis was hooked up to it. He however doesn’t have the hump on his back.[/quote]

    I’m pretty sure it’s just a Neck Roll
    They screw onto your shoulder pads, and stop your neck from snapping back too much.
    Normally you’ll see linebackers or running backs wear them, as they get that kind of impact the most.

    Some guys go one step bigger and wear what’s called a Cowboy Collar

  • Brooks Reuter | September 18, 2006 at 1:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”9371″]Does anyone out there know what Jason Taylor and LaVar Arrington wear on their shoulder pads. You have to look close in the pictures, but if you see them play their jerseys are being pushed up right on their names. I know other players have these, but Taylor is the one I most associate with this item.

    So, what is this thing called, and what does it look like sans jersey?[/quote]

    I can assume two things from this post, one you are a young kid, and two new to the game of football. I will try to help out as much as I can. Not knowing exactly what they wear under their jersey’s you can assume it is one of two things normally. The first would be a basic Neck Roll, however, they do not seem to stick out as high as a normal neck roll would. So it could be a youth neck roll. I actually wore one of these and it fits adult size shoulder pads, but isn’t as big. The other option could be a McDavid Cowboy Collar. Now, again this would normally stick up a lot higher than the two pictures used earlier, but I have seen them cut to gain the desired look. It won’t be as functional, if at all, but it was more of an intimidation/appearance decision.

  • a arauz | September 18, 2006 at 1:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”9341″][quote comment=”9334″][quote comment=”9310″]The biggest problem with the Buffalo jerseys is the fact that the color scheme is stolen from a team with even uglier jerseys (Nashville). The should have left out the silver/gray color.[/quote]

    I see nothing wrong with the Predators’ jerseys (except the mustard ones) and color scheme. I think it’s one of the best of the new expansion/relocation teams.[/quote]

    I’ve gotta be a homer here and say that the Wild’s alternate jersey is the best of the expansion teams. It’s a classic “old time” type of look. No unnecessary piping, or stripes… just a solid, good looking jersey.

    The only thing that makes it better is when goalie Josh Harding pairs that jersey with his “old school” brown pads. You just feel like you’re back skating on the pond, don’t you?![/quote]
    These are sweet, I’d never seen those before. Great, traditional look, they harken back to the BlackHawks sweaters of the thirties w/ the indian head in a circle. cool sweater, wow, something uni-redeeming from Minnesota…. what gives? :)

  • Minna H | September 18, 2006 at 1:17 pm |

    I am from MN, obviously, but I do not like the Wild logo or name. I *do* like the colors–the green and red look sharp.

    It seems there are quite a few folk from MN. How many strong are we? Maybe we could entice Paul to our great state by strength of sheer numbers. Count off, those from the land of a zillion lakes–and more mosquitos; Paul, first beer is on me.

  • Minna H | September 18, 2006 at 1:39 pm |

    Now that I got my MN pride out of the way, to other topics.

    The Sabre jersey–I agree with Paul on all accounts. Buffaslug is cute, but not mascot-worthy.

    Ek, I, too, would like a preview button, if only because I nearly always want to revise what I’ve written.

    The horror: I was browsing through the NHL shop for kicks and came across this– Pink Disaster

    While I don’t mind the form-fitting aspect, I hate the pink. Just because I’m female doesn’t mean I want to wear pink. It appears that’s the official women’s jersey of the NHL.

  • Nolan | September 18, 2006 at 1:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”9411″][quote comment=”9371″]Does anyone out there know what Jason Taylor and LaVar Arrington wear on their shoulder pads. You have to look close in the pictures, but if you see them play their jerseys are being pushed up right on their names. I know other players have these, but Taylor is the one I most associate with this item.

    So, what is this thing called, and what does it look like sans jersey?[/quote]

    I can assume two things from this post, one you are a young kid, and two new to the game of football. I will try to help out as much as I can. Not knowing exactly what they wear under their jersey’s you can assume it is one of two things normally. The first would be a basic Neck Roll, however, they do not seem to stick out as high as a normal neck roll would. So it could be a youth neck roll. I actually wore one of these and it fits adult size shoulder pads, but isn’t as big. The other option could be a McDavid Cowboy Collar. Now, again this would normally stick up a lot higher than the two pictures used earlier, but I have seen them cut to gain the desired look. It won’t be as functional, if at all, but it was more of an intimidation/appearance decision.[/quote]

    Well, lets see, nope, I’m 29, and nope, been an NFL guy for a while now. So, I’ve known about this neck roll you speak of for a while now and I’ve also seen these too.

    So, that’s why I’m confused, neither of these make the jersey do this, or this. And, this smaller “neck roll” doesn’t seem to add much help in the head snap dept.

  • Paul Lukas | September 18, 2006 at 1:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”9411″]I can assume two things from this post, one you are a young kid, and two new to the game of football.[/quote]

    This is precisely the sort of snide, pointless commentary that will not be tolerated here. If you want to offer information, fine; but do NOT insult other readers while doing so.

  • ESS | September 18, 2006 at 2:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”9418″]Now that I got my MN pride out of the way, to other topics.

    The Sabre jersey–I agree with Paul on all accounts. Buffaslug is cute, but not mascot-worthy.

    Ek, I, too, would like a preview button, if only because I nearly always want to revise what I’ve written.

    The horror: I was browsing through the NHL shop for kicks and came across this– Pink Disaster

    While I don’t mind the form-fitting aspect, I hate the pink. Just because I’m female doesn’t mean I want to wear pink. It appears that’s the official women’s jersey of the NHL.[/quote]

    I got my official NHL catalog on saturday. Two-page spread of officially licensed Pink apparel for the ladies (at least one could assume that from the sizes and pictures of ladies wearing the stuff). It actually hurt my eyes going from pages of jerseys and logos to nothing but pink.

    And Minna- my wife had the same reaction. Just because she’s female doesn’t mean she needs a pink Pens shirt.

    Ekdahl- A preview button would be great. Especailly for those of us without any experience with code, etc.

  • Brooks Reuter | September 18, 2006 at 2:01 pm |

    Paul, get a life, I meant nothing from the comment, I was making an assumption, hence the “I assume” part, I have really been turned off to the direction this site has taken in the last week or so, and will be adjusting my readership accordingly. I have never witnessed anything more snide than the comments made about the poster from Nike. They may not have been made by you, but you should have some control over what your webmaster posts. So Paul keep up your pointless crusade against Nike and corporate America, because this site has gone down the crapper quickly.

    Also if you were to look back at my posts you will see that not a single one was ever snide nor disrespectful, they were always meant in the nicest way, but hey whatever.

  • Nik | September 18, 2006 at 2:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”9402″]not sure if you guys talked about it at all, but apparently the Bruins goalie Toivannan is wearing a mask that pays tribute to Slap Shot. the movie, not the band.[/quote]

    I mentioned it in another post, but I think it kind of got skipped over.

    I saw a picture of the Denis Lemiuex mask, and it looks cool.

    As far as the Wild go, I hated the name right from the start, but I’m kind of used to it now. Being a Minnesota guy, I’m just glad to have hockey back. I thought the logo was dumb, but it’s worn onto me.

    I wish they would put that logo on the red jersey, just to see what it’s like.

  • Minna H | September 18, 2006 at 2:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”9421″]I got my official NHL catalog on saturday. Two-page spread of officially licensed Pink apparel for the ladies (at least one could assume that from the sizes and pictures of ladies wearing the stuff). It actually hurt my eyes going from pages of jerseys and logos to nothing but pink.

    And Minna- my wife had the same reaction. Just because she’s female doesn’t mean she needs a pink Pens shirt. [/quote]

    The horror! The agony! Thanks, ESS, for verifying my deepest fears.

    NHL: Go ahead and make your pink outfits, but make a true replica for women as well. Don’t make me hurt you.

    Hey, ESS, sounds like you have a keeper in your wife. Not only does she apparently like sports, she also has discerning taste.

  • Jon in SLC | September 18, 2006 at 2:18 pm |

    Paul,
    I disagree with Brooks about the quality of the site. I think things have rebounded nicely since the Nike infiltration last week. In fact, I was concerned after it happened and the rest of the day was swept up in it, that the general uni-centric discussion that we normally have on here, would be altered. But we have steered things back to the normal and I couldn’t be happier. I don’t say this to kiss butt or defend anyone as I don’t believe either is necessary. I applaud your commitment and the site. I don’t always agree with your opinion, but that’s what the discussion is all about anyway.
    Moving on… John I do agree with Minna, I would love a preview button. It seems a better idea than an edit button, to me anyway.

  • Ben | September 18, 2006 at 2:22 pm |

    Hannu Toivonen is indeed wearing an awesome Denis Lemieux mask as well as brown pads (also by Itech which is worn by Ricky Franchise.)

  • Eric | September 18, 2006 at 2:39 pm |

    Talk about Logo-Creep overkill – Is Brady Quinn being paid for all this promotion?

    Link Name

  • SpellsGood | September 18, 2006 at 2:43 pm |

    I just read a blurb this morning about Josh Harding changing from brown pads to a more modern, multi-colored set of pads. He said he feels great in the new pads; something to do with them being easier to slide in, or something like that.

  • Dan from PC | September 18, 2006 at 2:44 pm |

    I dont get where anyone questions where this site has gone to. This is simply a forum to discuss our quirky obsession with others who understand. It angers me to see people taking shots at others for no reason. Just wanna thank you again Paul for doing this, and dont let the very small minority who are unhappy get in the way of what youre doing.

  • Banker Bill | September 18, 2006 at 2:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”9418″]Now that I got my MN pride out of the way, to other topics.

    The Sabre jersey–I agree with Paul on all accounts. Buffaslug is cute, but not mascot-worthy.

    Ek, I, too, would like a preview button, if only because I nearly always want to revise what I’ve written.

    The horror: I was browsing through the NHL shop for kicks and came across this– Pink Disaster

    While I don’t mind the form-fitting aspect, I hate the pink. Just because I’m female doesn’t mean I want to wear pink. It appears that’s the official women’s jersey of the NHL.[/quote]

    THe official women’s jersey of the NHL? Boy, I hope not – there are some SEXY women at the Garden during Rangers games decked out in regular Jerseys. There’s just something about a Hockey sweater that I love – maybe because it covers everything instead of what you see at the mall, where lately, if I don’t have a wallet full of singles, I feel unprepared.

  • Mark | September 18, 2006 at 2:51 pm |

    how many swooshes in total appear on the entire Oregon ensemble. They’re everywhere! I remember the hoopla when the swoosh got added to the jerseys of my Nittany Lions. I only hope it doesn’t expand any more.

  • Kenny | September 18, 2006 at 2:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”9428″]Talk about Logo-Creep overkill – Is Brady Quinn being paid for all this promotion?

    Isn’t ND only allowed to wear Adidas?[/quote]

    Just imagine what the school would do to him if he wore something other than Adidas…I mean they have no football conference, their own licensing…am I missing something, please fill it in…it just doesn’t look excessive to me…only 2 that aren’t on the jersey or pants

  • ESS | September 18, 2006 at 2:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”9424″][quote comment=”9421″]I got my official NHL catalog on saturday. Two-page spread of officially licensed Pink apparel for the ladies (at least one could assume that from the sizes and pictures of ladies wearing the stuff). It actually hurt my eyes going from pages of jerseys and logos to nothing but pink.

    And Minna- my wife had the same reaction. Just because she’s female doesn’t mean she needs a pink Pens shirt. [/quote]

    The horror! The agony! Thanks, ESS, for verifying my deepest fears.

    NHL: Go ahead and make your pink outfits, but make a true replica for women as well. Don’t make me hurt you.

    Hey, ESS, sounds like you have a keeper in your wife. Not only does she apparently like sports, she also has discerning taste.[/quote]

    Thanks! Except for her born-in-Picksburgh-dyed-in-the-wool love for all things black and gold, she is a keeper! We have some rough sundays here in Philly during the fall and winter!

  • Banker Bill | September 18, 2006 at 2:59 pm |

    You know, I have to say, and I’ve been posting on here for a few weeks now – I thought I was really into uniforms and all that (mostly hockey and baseball, a little football – not so much hoops), but the stuff I’ve learned on here has really made me question how smart of a fan I am. You guys (and girls) are all pretty darn brilliant in your own unique ways. I’m just glad to be a part of it. Paul, I have told EVERYONE about this site. John (webmaster) – thank you for keeping us going. Otherwise, I might have to actually (gulp) WORK during the time I’m at my job!

  • Natron | September 18, 2006 at 3:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”9422″]Paul, get a life, I meant nothing from the comment, I was making an assumption, hence the “I assume” part, I have really been turned off to the direction this site has taken in the last week or so, and will be adjusting my readership accordingly. I have never witnessed anything more snide than the comments made about the poster from Nike. They may not have been made by you, but you should have some control over what your webmaster posts. So Paul keep up your pointless crusade against Nike and corporate America, because this site has gone down the crapper quickly.

    Also if you were to look back at my posts you will see that not a single one was ever snide nor disrespectful, they were always meant in the nicest way, but hey whatever.[/quote]

    I’m sure the last thing Paul needs is somebody arguing on his behalf, so I’ll try not to get into it too much, but suffice it to say, I disagree with you. To say there is a “crusade against Nike and corporate america”, I believe is an incorrect statement (although Paul himself may disagree!). In fact, I think there’s just the opposite occuring on this site – so much so that an entire column was dedicated to INCLUDING Nike.

    The crusade – in my eyes – is against the corporate america MINDSET, that they’re entitled to desecrate dozens of traditions by plastering swooshes and stripes all over the place. In many cases, corporate logos have to be a necessary evil – I don’t think anybody that posts on this board or writes on this blog is naive enough to think that the money generated by these companies is insignificant. Of course it is, and as a result, the companies should be entitled to some visibility, but to just completely take over? I don’t think there’s anything wrong with questioning that.

  • Adam | September 18, 2006 at 3:11 pm |

    Just wanted to point out that the Bengals looked good in two aspects of the game this weekend.

    1) The gameplay itself
    2) The entire team’s uniform side panels-everyone looked the same with no additional white by the nameplate. Maybe they are onto something…

  • Chris | September 18, 2006 at 3:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”9372″][quote comment=”9309″]I didn’t have a chance to write over the weekend but I was watching the BC/BYU game and noticed that BYU had 2 merit stickers, One was silver and one was gold. I couldn’t find a good picture of it. I know Paul wrote about stickers before but I can’t remember if he mentioned BYU (I would look at the article but am not an “Insider”). Anyone know the meaning of each sticker?[/quote]

    BYU has two different merit stickers. The blue (not silver) stickers are for on field accomplishments. The gold are for academic accomplishments or for work in the community.[/quote]

    Thanks Bryan

  • Natron | September 18, 2006 at 3:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”9372″][quote comment=”9309″]I didn’t have a chance to write over the weekend but I was watching the BC/BYU game and noticed that BYU had 2 merit stickers, One was silver and one was gold. I couldn’t find a good picture of it. I know Paul wrote about stickers before but I can’t remember if he mentioned BYU (I would look at the article but am not an “Insider”). Anyone know the meaning of each sticker?[/quote]

    BYU has two different merit stickers. The blue (not silver) stickers are for on field accomplishments. The gold are for academic accomplishments or for work in the community.[/quote]

    Maybe the Cincinnati Bengals and Minnesota Vikings want to look at the gold sticker program.

  • Rich | September 18, 2006 at 3:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”9403″]I can’t argue the team name either. I agree with you about the plural sounding team name. But of the alternatives given (Blue Ox, Northern Lights, White Bears, Voyageurs, and Freeze), Wild isn’t all that bad.

    As far as the logo, it drove me nuts when I first saw it too, it but as a Minnesotan, I like the sybolism within – it gives a big nod to a lot of the “Minnesota lifestyle” (for lack of a better term). The mouth is a river, the green trees on the face (there are also red trees if you look at it upside down), and the star on the sun it intended as a two fold tribute… it’s the North Star (being that Minnesota is the North Star state), and it’s a nod to the Minnesota North Stars as well.

    I don’t expect anybody outside of Minnesota to give 2 craps about this by the way![/quote]

    I still say, that until they moved, the Minnesota Moose (which IS PLURAL by the way!) had the coolest name and logo in hockey – although Manitoba Moose is just as cool, and the little Maple Leaf in the logo is a nice touch![/quote]

    Wow! Were those other names (Blue Ox, Northern Lights, White Bears, Voyageurs, and Freeze) actual choices for the team name? They’re awful!

  • Andrew | September 18, 2006 at 3:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”9428″]Talk about Logo-Creep overkill – Is Brady Quinn being paid for all this promotion?

    Brady Quinn[/quote]

    I don’t know what you mean for the jersey. But the photo you provided shows some interesting Sharpie writing on his QB wristband. Looks like a fish around the Adidas logo, perhaps a creationism promotion? Also “ES”. Sorry if this has been mentioned before

  • Mike Honer | September 18, 2006 at 3:30 pm |

    Does anything think there is a similarity in this guy and this guy? Methinks Sabres owner B. Thomas Golisano needs to mix in some veggies and a salad.

  • Lincoln | September 18, 2006 at 3:32 pm |

    I missed the whole Nike brouhaha the other day, so I had to go back and read up on it. Thanks for letting me waste away another day at the office!!! Keep up the good work.

  • Joe Drennan | September 18, 2006 at 3:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”9426″]Hannu Toivonen is indeed wearing an awesome Denis Lemieux mask as well as brown pads (also by Itech which is worn by Ricky Franchise.)[/quote]
    Toivonen is actualy wearing yellow pafds as the Bruins colors include yellow. I have yet to come across a picture of him in the vintage colord pads. As a goalie who is shopping for new pads, the old school looking brown is an option and manufacturers call ti vintage.

    On the football front, here is another uniform that’s using side panels – http://www.azcardina....

  • Matt | September 18, 2006 at 3:48 pm |

    >As far as the logo, it drove me nuts when I first saw it too, it but as a Minnesotan, I like the sybolism within – it gives a big nod to a lot of the “Minnesota lifestyle.”

    If it’s about the MN lifestyle, then it’s sorely incomplete without this element.

  • todd krevanchi (krvanch) | September 18, 2006 at 4:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”9449″]>As far as the logo, it drove me nuts when I first saw it too, it but as a Minnesotan, I like the sybolism within – it gives a big nod to a lot of the “Minnesota lifestyle.”

    If it’s about the MN lifestyle, then it’s sorely incomplete without this element.[/quote]

    if that is correct, then based on the picture below below, i though brady quinn might have claimed minnesota as his home. Alas, i was incorrect.

    [quote comment=”9428″]
    brady quinn[/quote]

  • Ricardo | September 18, 2006 at 4:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”9448″][quote comment=”9426″]Hannu Toivonen is indeed wearing an awesome Denis Lemieux mask as well as brown pads (also by Itech which is worn by Ricky Franchise.)[/quote]
    Toivonen is actualy wearing yellow pafds as the Bruins colors include yellow. I have yet to come across a picture of him in the vintage colord pads. [/quote]
    Hannu’s pads aren’t vintage brown, but they aren’t the Bruins’ yellow (“sport gold” in goalie pad color speak) either. It’s sort of an odd dijon mustard sort of thing, with strips of French’s cheap yellow mustard (the standard sport gold) mixed in. Speaking as both a Bruins fan and a goalie, I don’t care for it at all…

    http://www.wickedbru...

    -Ricardo

  • Brian A | September 18, 2006 at 4:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”9432″]how many swooshes in total appear on the entire Oregon ensemble. They’re everywhere! I remember the hoopla when the swoosh got added to the jerseys of my Nittany Lions. I only hope it doesn’t expand any more.[/quote]

    I’ll bet they make the diamond plating pattern into little nike swooshes. If only they took out that stupid pattern, I think that they would have some awesome uniforms.

  • Minna H | September 18, 2006 at 4:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”9435″]
    Thanks! Except for her born-in-Picksburgh-dyed-in-the-wool love for all things black and gold, she is a keeper! We have some rough sundays here in Philly during the fall and winter![/quote]

    I hate to break it to you, ESS, but I’m a big Steelers fan as well. They are my second favorite team, behind the Vikes. Your wife must have been insufferable this year, what with Philly not making the playoffs and Pittsburgh winning the whole shebang.

  • Barney | September 18, 2006 at 4:23 pm |

    http://www.wickedbru...

    Ricardo’s link (above) shows Hannu Toivonen with a goalie stick that has “Montreal” written on it. For a Bruins’ fan, this is totally unacceptable. Back to Europe for you, Hannu!

  • Scott | September 18, 2006 at 4:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”9452″]It’s sort of an odd dijon mustard sort of thing, with strips of French’s cheap yellow mustard (the standard sport gold) mixed in. Speaking as both a Bruins fan and a goalie, I don’t care for it at all…[/quote]
    But tell us…what do you think as a condiment fan? ;)

  • Joe Drennan | September 18, 2006 at 4:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”9458″]http://www.wickedbruinsfan.com/gallery/091506scrimmage/091506bruins_177

    Ricardo’s link (above) shows Hannu Toivonen with a goalie stick that has “Montreal” written on it. For a Bruins’ fan, this is totally unacceptable. Back to Europe for you, Hannu![/quote]

    Montreal is a stick manufacturer who’s sticks are gaining popularity with goaltenders. Mikka Kippersof of the Flames is probably the most notable goaltender using the brand of sticks.

  • todd krevanchi (krvanch) | September 18, 2006 at 4:42 pm |

    i always liked this simple design in eugene…
    http://www.huskyfan....

    that picture reminded me of someone who is now completely familiar with the ducks after saturday…
    http://media.scout.c...

    same #, similar facemasks, the swoosh, and just flip flop the letters on the helmet

  • Ricardo | September 18, 2006 at 4:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”9462″][quote comment=”9458″]http://www.wickedbruinsfan.com/gallery/091506scrimmage/091506bruins_177

    Ricardo’s link (above) shows Hannu Toivonen with a goalie stick that has “Montreal” written on it. For a Bruins’ fan, this is totally unacceptable. Back to Europe for you, Hannu![/quote]

    Montreal is a stick manufacturer who’s sticks are gaining popularity with goaltenders. Mikka Kippersof of the Flames is probably the most notable goaltender using the brand of sticks.[/quote]

    And since Montreal Sports is based in Finland, they are particularly popular among Finnish goalies such as Hannu and Kipper…

    -Ricardo

  • Ricardo | September 18, 2006 at 4:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”9459″][quote comment=”9452″]It’s sort of an odd dijon mustard sort of thing, with strips of French’s cheap yellow mustard (the standard sport gold) mixed in. Speaking as both a Bruins fan and a goalie, I don’t care for it at all…[/quote]
    But tell us…what do you think as a condiment fan? ;)[/quote]

    In condiments, as in sports uniforms, I prefer cheap yellow mustard!

    -Ricardo

  • Natron | September 18, 2006 at 4:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”9466″][quote comment=”9459″][quote comment=”9452″]It’s sort of an odd dijon mustard sort of thing, with strips of French’s cheap yellow mustard (the standard sport gold) mixed in. Speaking as both a Bruins fan and a goalie, I don’t care for it at all…[/quote]
    But tell us…what do you think as a condiment fan? ;)[/quote]

    In condiments, as in sports uniforms, I prefer cheap yellow mustard!

    -Ricardo[/quote]

    Some prefer cheap yellow mustard, some prefer this.

    My apologies.

  • Forrest | September 18, 2006 at 4:49 pm |

    Maybe it’s just a Colorado bias, but I’ve never liked the Christmas Tree uniforms. I guess I’m in the minority.

  • John Ekdahl | September 18, 2006 at 4:52 pm |

    The Live Preview for Comments is now open for business.

  • Natron | September 18, 2006 at 4:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”9470″]The Live Preview for Comments is now open for business.[/quote]
    Aewsmoe!

  • Natron | September 18, 2006 at 4:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”9471″][quote comment=”9470″]The Live Preview for Comments is now open for business.[/quote]
    Aewsmoe![/quote]

    I mean… Awesome!

    Damn thing is broken.

  • Chris Coleman | September 18, 2006 at 4:55 pm |

    I noticed that Michigan had a yellow wrap-around stripe/piping against Notre Dame on Saturday. You can see it here and here. Is this new for this season?

  • Richard | September 18, 2006 at 5:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”9473″]I noticed that Michigan had a yellow wrap-around stripe/piping against Notre Dame on Saturday. You can see it here and here. Is this new for this season?[/quote]

    Yup – I think someone mentioned it over the weekend in the open feeds, but we believe it’s new for this season – more of the Nike framing.

  • Tim B - Cleveland | September 18, 2006 at 5:03 pm |

    i’m too lazy to look it up, but i thought UM did that last year and paul mentioned it…

  • Tim B - Cleveland | September 18, 2006 at 5:05 pm |

    ah yes, my instincts served me correct…

    http://proxy.espn.go...

  • Paul Lukas | September 18, 2006 at 5:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”9473″]I noticed that Michigan had a yellow wrap-around stripe/piping against Notre Dame on Saturday. You can see it here and here. Is this new for this season?[/quote]

    No, it began last season. Interestingly, I got a note about this last night from someone at Nike. He says he’s a big fan of the site, and he works in Nike’s R&D department. He said the R&D people often “butt heads” with the aesthetics/design people, and then he said this about Michigan’s wraparound stripe:

    “Those bibs on football uniforms? that’s actually a seamline between two fabrics engineered for for better breathability during hot & humid weather – a big improvement over the older thick jerseys that players used to wear. and yes, this technology is tested scientifically at nike. the designers added that bib line not just as an attempt to make it asthetically pleasing, but also to highlight the performance feature of the jersey, which nike hasn’t been really communicating to the public.”

    Here’s what I wrote back to him:

    “But why does the seam need to be a different color? Why do you have to HIGHLIGHT this performance aspect? Why can’t the team just wear it and benefit from it? It’s basically a way of saying, ‘Look at Nike, look at us, look what we did!’ It’s all about Nike, instead of about the team. That’s my biggest problem with Nike — not the design elements themselves (although some of those are pretty bad too), but rather that these design elements are used within the context of team uniforms to advertise the company. Nike uses graphic design elements like the bib to create Nike brand awareness, when the only brand a uniform should be promoting is the team itself. You wanna do all sorts of high-tech performance-enhancing stuff? Great! But don’t advertise it on my team’s jersey. The only thing I want to be thinking about when I root for my team is, um, MY TEAM. I don’t want to be thinking about Nike (or Reebok, or whoever).”

    This exchange, to me, is the Nike/anti-Nike debate in a nutshell.

  • Teebz | September 18, 2006 at 5:14 pm |

    Ok, this is a long post, but bear with me. As a Canadian kid, hockey = life, so I will address what I know.

    The Great One’s jersey tuck was his signature. However, this signature started out of necessity. When Wayne was six years-old, he played for a team called the Nadrofsky Steelers. His jersey was too big and reached his knees, so his dad, Walter, tucked in the right side of his jersey to facilitate his right-handed shot. He carried this through his days in junior, the WHL, and the NHL. Other Gretzky tidbits? He used baby powder on his stick because the snow from the ice wouldn’t stick to it. He also used wooden Titan hockey sticks until he was traded to LA. There, he used the Easton aluminum stick for the first time.

    Peter Karmanos still owns the Whalers’ rights. This is why there are no NHL Vintage jerseys of the Hartford Whalers. In my opinion, I wouldn’t want the Whalers outselling the Hurricanes if I owned the ‘Canes.

    Natron in post #79 had it right about the Wild logo. However, in regards to the Wild’s alternate jersey, I do like the traditional look. I don’t like the logo. The mini-Wild logo in the middle screws it up. What they need to do is go traditional, much like the Golden Gophers’ “M”. Or put the “M” inside the circle like the Boston Bruins’ logo. Either way, the current alternate logo detracts from the traditional styling of the jersey.

    Golden Gophers: Click me!

    Speaking of alternate jerseys, the Colorado Avalanche’s alternate jersey should not be applauded. The diagonal lettering has been done before: NY Rangers and Pittsburgh Penguins to name two. They need to employ their current logo or their alternate logo and ditch the diagonal lettering. It works for the Rangers because of tradition. It was scrapped by Pittsburgh because people didn’t like it. The Avs simply copied the Penguins jersey. Personally, they should slap the alternate logo on there, and give it a go. It worked for Nashville.

    Avalanche alternate logo: Click me!

    As for Nashville’s alternate jerseys, mustard yellow is not a hockey color or a self-respecting color. Michigan and Sweden are two of the most successful yellow teams, and both employ a bold yellow. Nashville needs to scrap that puke-colored jersey and try the yellow that is currently in their design.

    Josh Harding’s switch to more modern pads may be for a good reason. The older, brown leather pads are heavier. Old goalie pads were made of deer hair, sponge and/or felt inside the leather. When the leather got wet, it made sliding across the ice almost impossible. Modern pads are made of synthetic materials. These newer pads are lighter and offer more protection. Any advantage you can get in today’s NHL is seen as a good one, so Harding might be switching due to the nature of the old, brown pads.

    Finally, if you’re thinking about putting a preview button in, John, please do so. Since we’re concerned with esthetics (if we aren’t, why are we here?), this addition would reduce the amount of typos and double-posts. And we all want to be part of the best site on the Net, right? Well, except for those located in Beaverton, Oregon. :o)

  • The Original Lee | September 18, 2006 at 5:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”9358″]In regards to Coco Crisp wearing soccer cleats, they sort of look like they may be since soccer cleats are less bulkier than regular baseball cleats. The only thing I could think that would be a disadvantage to wearing a soccer cleat in baseball is that soccer cleats have no cleat right up front where a baseball cleat has one.[/quote]

    the TUNIT cleat is adidas’ new cleat that allows you to change the cleat chassis (read- bottom of the shoe) and the upper to fit the type of ground and whatever color upper you want. this makes it entirely possible for Coco Crisp to have the lighter weight soccer upper and still have basbeall soccer cleats. in fact you can see the metal blades on the back of his cleats in the picture.

    and to this “lee” fellow posting now, I want my name back!

  • Terrence | September 18, 2006 at 5:17 pm |

    Could that fish drawing on Brady Quinn’s wristband be a Jesus Fish? Is he big on religion?

  • Matthew | September 18, 2006 at 5:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”9483″]Could that fish drawing on Brady Quinn’s wristband be a Jesus Fish? Is he big on religion?[/quote]

    Yeah he is a pretty devout Methodist I believe.

  • bisonsword | September 18, 2006 at 5:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”9445″]Does anything think there is a similarity in this guy and this guy? Methinks Sabres owner B. Thomas Golisano needs to mix in some veggies and a salad.[/quote]
    I would much rather see the Buff Wild logo that that disgusting slug. That thing is a disgrace to the Sabres past, the City of Buffalo and most importantly its fans. While I appreciate the return to blue and gold, the organization should either make a full return to the originals or use the designs shown and fully explained HERE

    An open question: How did Islanders fans go about getting that fisherman removed? How can we replicate this in Buffalo? I dont want to see that legless puke rainbow again after this season.

  • Matthew | September 18, 2006 at 5:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”9485″][quote comment=”9445″]Does anything think there is a similarity in this guy and this guy? Methinks Sabres owner B. Thomas Golisano needs to mix in some veggies and a salad.[/quote]
    I would much rather see the Buff Wild logo that that disgusting slug. That thing is a disgrace to the Sabres past, the City of Buffalo and most importantly its fans. While I appreciate the return to blue and gold, the organization should either make a full return to the originals or use the designs shown and fully explained HERE

    An open question: How did Islanders fans go about getting that fisherman removed? How can we replicate this in Buffalo? I dont want to see that legless puke rainbow again after this season.[/quote]

    I think the fact that it was nausea inducing for half the viewership of the NHL had something to do with it. I seriously can’t look at the back of those old Islanders jerseys without getting a little dizzy.

    Also, John, the preview deal for the comments is cool, but it’s creating terrible lag in my comment typing. Am I the only one this is affecting?

  • todd krevanchi (krvanch) | September 18, 2006 at 5:32 pm |

    i disagree with that aspect of thinking…
    a representative of the school or athletic department would have to approve a submission of a few different designs, no?

    i mean, although the navy michigan jersey seen here, adheres to the new template of using the 2 fabrics, the concept is not accentuated by added piping like the white michigan jersey. if nike was really trying to create brand awareness, wouldnt it also be on the blue shirt? it would just seem logical that michigan would have the final say on what their uni’s will be…

    also, the new kobe replica jerseys are up for sale. i guess adidas is getting a jump on things…
    http://store.nba.com...

  • mario | September 18, 2006 at 5:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”9487″]i disagree with that aspect of thinking…
    a representative of the school or athletic department would have to approve a submission of a few different designs, no?

    i mean, although the navy michigan jersey seen here, adheres to the new template of using the 2 fabrics, the concept is not accentuated by added piping like the white michigan jersey. if nike was really trying to create brand awareness, wouldnt it also be on the blue shirt? it would just seem logical that michigan would have the final say on what their uni’s will be…

    also, the new kobe replica jerseys are up for sale. i guess adidas is getting a jump on things…
    http://store.nba.com...
    wow, you just took what i was gonna say. i happenned to stumble upon the link for the new kobe jerseys at nba.com. it looks like the nba has switched from reebok to adidas as their main sponser, as shown in the previous photo. hopefully they won’t screw with the jerseys.

  • Matthew | September 18, 2006 at 6:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”9489″][quote comment=”9487″]i disagree with that aspect of thinking…
    a representative of the school or athletic department would have to approve a submission of a few different designs, no?

    i mean, although the navy michigan jersey seen here, adheres to the new template of using the 2 fabrics, the concept is not accentuated by added piping like the white michigan jersey. if nike was really trying to create brand awareness, wouldnt it also be on the blue shirt? it would just seem logical that michigan would have the final say on what their uni’s will be…

    also, the new kobe replica jerseys are up for sale. i guess adidas is getting a jump on things…
    http://store.nba.com...
    wow, you just took what i was gonna say. i happenned to stumble upon the link for the new kobe jerseys at nba.com. it looks like the nba has switched from reebok to adidas as their main sponser, as shown in the previous photo. hopefully they won’t screw with the jerseys.[/quote]

    The numbers on the back look a little…different. Larger maybe? Maybe I’m just not used to any number other than 8 being on a Kobe jersey.

  • Trent | September 18, 2006 at 6:05 pm |

    Actually, Tunit cleats don’t have an option for a toe cleat, or for any kind of blades. They’re also much shinier, as they are woven vinyl with some severe lamination on them (except for the leather uppers Adidas has begun making). I play with these all the time at the soccer store I work at, and they are the bane of most everybody’s existence, because of the “some assembly required” aspect. Coco Crisp probably isn’t wearing Tunits, (which Adidas designates F.50+) but more likely an F.10 or F.30, which aren’t as glossy.

    Army has worn the division patches for a while. They wore them when they came to play the University of Houston in 2004. It seemed then that some also had “sergeant’s stripes” on their sleeves too.

    The worst part about the Wild colors is that they imposed them upon the Houston Aeros (minor league affiliate), converting from the superawesome WWII bomber logo in blue and green to a cheesy F/A-18 logo in the Wild colors. The uniforms don’t look bad, in fact they’re very conservative, but they’ll never measure up to the blue jersey with green shoulders and old Air Force logo on the shoulders.

  • mg12 | September 18, 2006 at 6:10 pm |

    I happened to notice that McFarlane is featuring new images of the latest line of NBA figures on his website http://www.mcfarlane.... There happens to be a Kobe Bryant figure (the fourth Kobe-McFarlane figure). I was happy to see that they didn’t detail the figure out with the moonboots and tights that Kobe featured for the majority of last season.

    Linky Link

    It makes me wonder who will be the first McFarlane figure to be wearing tights?

  • Steven | September 18, 2006 at 6:12 pm |

    John thanks for adding the preview thingie!

  • Dave | September 18, 2006 at 6:24 pm |

    In non-related uni Nike/Oregon news.

    Discovered by OU website after terrible call on the onside kick.

    Replay booth official is John Walters.
    International Sales Coordinator at Nike

  • Chuck Ryals | September 18, 2006 at 6:31 pm |

    I have a nice collection of NHL replica jerseys, they have all been “made in Canada’ untill now. I just got a replica Leafs home jersey and it is made in Indonesia…… The times they are a changing gang.

  • Forrest | September 18, 2006 at 6:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”9480″]
    Speaking of alternate jerseys, the Colorado Avalanche’s alternate jersey should not be applauded. The diagonal lettering has been done before: NY Rangers and Pittsburgh Penguins to name two. They need to employ their current logo or their alternate logo and ditch the diagonal lettering. It works for the Rangers because of tradition. It was scrapped by Pittsburgh because people didn’t like it. The Avs simply copied the Penguins jersey. Personally, they should slap the alternate logo on there, and give it a go. It worked for Nashville.

    Avalanche alternate logo: Click me!

    [/quote]

    I believe, maybe, there was something like that WAAAAY back in the day (all of 10 years ago), but no one wanted a foot on their jersey. Not even Adam \pun. Any photo evidence?
    And what about the old Hockey Rockies apparel? Do the Devils still own those rights?

  • Tom K | September 18, 2006 at 6:33 pm |

    NEED SOME HELP FROM UNIWATCH FAITHFUL…

    I was on the bears website and came across their uni history and they mention their 1936 jerseys were pretty wild, they dont have a picture and i tried to google it but no luck, anyone know where i can find a picture?

  • mnhockeyfan | September 18, 2006 at 6:43 pm |

    While we were on the discussion about goalie masks, I immediatly thought of Kellen Brigg’s mask. He is one of the goalies on the U of M’s hockey team. It is very very similar (basically identical) to the Bruins goalie’s. However, this picture does not show his very bright, gold pads. They are not a gold gold but a gophers gold (way to be technical, eh?)

    Briggs

  • Mac | September 18, 2006 at 6:49 pm |

    Nobody’s actually said this but it isn’t a patch on the sleeve of the Texas A&M’s 12th Man. Instead of the number “12” appearing on the sleeves of the jersey, the phrase “12th Man” is used as a nod to E. King Gill, the original 12th Man and the fans at Kyle Field.

    The 12th Man originated on January 2, 1922 when the Aggies were playing Centre College in the Dixie Classic, the forerunner to the modern Cotton Bowl. Gill was called from the stands to suit up as a substitute but never entered the game. He stood waiting and willing to help his team win on the sidelines. Hence the phrase “12th Man” and why Aggies always stand during the entire football game.

    The “12th Man” on the sleeve is sewn on just like the number “12” would be. Each letter is It’s not a hokey commemorative patch or anything like that… a la the Arizona Cardinals for their new stadium.

  • Natron | September 18, 2006 at 6:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”9502″]While we were on the discussion about goalie masks, I immediatly thought of Kellen Brigg’s mask. He is one of the goalies on the U of M’s hockey team. It is very very similar (basically identical) to the Bruins goalie’s. However, this picture does not show his very bright, gold pads. They are not a gold gold but a gophers gold (way to be technical, eh?)

    Briggs[/quote]

    “Gopher” Gold. It’s quite similar to “Trevor Kidd” Gold (not to be confused with “Trevor Kidd Is Out Of His F*uckin’ Mind” Red and White)

  • Natron | September 18, 2006 at 6:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”9504″][quote comment=”9502″]While we were on the discussion about goalie masks, I immediatly thought of Kellen Brigg’s mask. He is one of the goalies on the U of M’s hockey team. It is very very similar (basically identical) to the Bruins goalie’s. However, this picture does not show his very bright, gold pads. They are not a gold gold but a gophers gold (way to be technical, eh?)

    Briggs[/quote]

    “Gopher” Gold. It’s quite similar to “Trevor Kidd” Gold (not to be confused with “Trevor Kidd Is Out Of His F*uckin’ Mind” Red and White)[/quote]

    Active link for “Trevor Kidd Is Out Of His F*uckin’ Mind” Red and White.

    Sorry ’bout that.

  • Teebz | September 18, 2006 at 7:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”9505″]Active link for “Trevor Kidd Is Out Of His F*uckin’ Mind” Red and White.

    Sorry ’bout that.[/quote]

    The design on his red-and-white pads are actually the hurricane warning flag. Yes, it’s overdone and tacky. However, it is unique. And my post does lag terribly bad too.

  • The Original Lee | September 18, 2006 at 7:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”9491″]Actually, Tunit cleats don’t have an option for a toe cleat, or for any kind of blades. They’re also much shinier, as they are woven vinyl with some severe lamination on them (except for the leather uppers Adidas has begun making). I play with these all the time at the soccer store I work at, and they are the bane of most everybody’s existence, because of the “some assembly required” aspect. Coco Crisp probably isn’t wearing Tunits, (which Adidas designates F.50+) but more likely an F.10 or F.30, which aren’t as glossy.[/quote]

    So what if adidas doesnt make a toe cleat option for the Tunit? Frank Thomas plays in a Nike Men’s Shox Team Ups. They dont even come in a cleat form at all. if players wanted them, i dont think it would be too hard for adidas to put a toe cleat on one of their soccer cleats.

  • Natron | September 18, 2006 at 7:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”9507″][quote comment=”9505″]Active link for “Trevor Kidd Is Out Of His F*uckin’ Mind” Red and White.

    Sorry ’bout that.[/quote]

    The design on his red-and-white pads are actually the hurricane warning flag. Yes, it’s overdone and tacky. However, it is unique. And my post does lag terribly bad too.[/quote]

    Yeah, they’re warning flags, and I guess it’s kind of creative. Maybe he’s just a team guy… but I’m guessing he was more of a team guy in Toronto when he had a matching palm and stick.

    Wonder if he ever took acid…

  • Kelli | September 18, 2006 at 7:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”9491″]The worst part about the Wild colors is that they imposed them upon the Houston Aeros (minor league affiliate), converting from the superawesome WWII bomber logo in blue and green to a cheesy F/A-18 logo in the Wild colors. The uniforms don’t look bad, in fact they’re very conservative, but they’ll never measure up to the blue jersey with green shoulders and old Air Force logo on the shoulders.[/quote]

    The colors haven’t changed, but the bomber is back.
    Aeros

  • C.N. | September 18, 2006 at 7:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”9496″]In non-related uni Nike/Oregon news.

    Discovered by OU website after terrible call on the onside kick.

    Replay booth official is John Walters.
    International Sales Coordinator at Nike[/quote]

    Awesome stuff. Obviously no fan wants to be accused of being a crybaby after a tough loss, but as an Oklahoma fan, I knew there was something more than met the eye there. I mean, I know the guy is human, but how could he miss TWO obvious calls (including the pass interference) WITH replay in a minute and twelve seconds?

    As you can see, the two days since this happened haven’t really helped my blood pressure…

  • Joey | September 18, 2006 at 8:17 pm |

    Maybe this has been brought up in the past, but I can’t believe that nobody made the connection between the Wild Logo and this wild thing. I can’t see the Wild without thinking of K-State.

  • Joe | September 18, 2006 at 8:20 pm |

    Army and Navy wear division patches when they declare their field of interest. But this isnt limited to football, ive seen it in baseball, but most often in Lacrosse games.

  • Joe | September 18, 2006 at 8:27 pm |

    Ok found some pics, first is of an Army guy who is going into the 7th Cavalry, but also a look at UA’s Lacrosse jerseys
    Army
    This army player is joining the Big red one, infantry. Navy just has the Navy logo on the right sleeve(not Visible) and the Marine Corp logo on the left(visible)
    http://www.lax.com/b...

  • Mike | September 18, 2006 at 8:37 pm |

    I’m watching the Monday Night Football game now. On a different logo creep note, anyone else bothered as much as I am by GMC being in the opening credits like they are so much? Last year with ABC it was even worse.

    On another note, anyone in the Washington, DC are know of a Maryland D-II or III team (might be Bowie State?… or the team they just played this past weekend) that has (I *think*) the state of Maryland on its helmet? And since the picture of the state can’t have a mirror image, it goes “left to right” on both sides of the helmet? (As opposed to every other football helmet design.)

    Or I could have confused that team’s logo with something else that wasn’t the state of Maryland and making a fool of myself in the process.

    By the way, being from Buffalo, it’s nice to get some attention (any attention), even if it is about less than par uniforms.

  • Vegas4BOC | September 18, 2006 at 8:37 pm |

    As for the Minnesota Wild logo, I find it not a Reebok conspiracy, rather it’s Cingular !

  • Shawn | September 18, 2006 at 8:54 pm |

    Just watching the Tigers / Sox game and the announcers started talking first about Guillen’s new two-tone glove and they noticed how his pocket was also out. That’s fine, nothing unnormal about that, but they they happened to mention that they had seen JIM LEYLAND wearing his pocket out around the clubhouse. JIM LEYLAND. I couldn’t believe it!!!!

  • Nik | September 18, 2006 at 8:59 pm |

    I was going to reply to a comment way earlier, but forgot where it was.

    I’d like to see the Wild logo on the red jersey.

    I also think it looks stupid with the green helmet.

    I don’t like this new feature, it makes typing in a response too slow. At least for me it does.

  • sportability | September 18, 2006 at 9:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”9521″]And since the picture of the state can’t have a mirror image, it goes “left to right” on both sides of the helmet? (As opposed to every other football helmet design.)[/quote]

    Well, except for the 50% of helmets that have letters on them (Cal, Steelers, Miami, etc)

  • Jon in SLC | September 18, 2006 at 9:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”9521″]
    On another note, anyone in the Washington, DC are know of a Maryland D-II or III team (might be Bowie State?… or the team they just played this past weekend) that has (I *think*) the state of Maryland on its helmet? And since the picture of the state can’t have a mirror image, it goes “left to right” on both sides of the helmet? (As opposed to every other football helmet design.)
    [/quote]

    It can’t be Bowie State.

  • Jared | September 18, 2006 at 9:59 pm |

    Louisiana Tech also has the state in their logo meaning no mirror image on the helmet. The starting QB also has the best name in college football.

  • Ben | September 18, 2006 at 10:01 pm |

    at the Devil Rays game, Baltimore pitcher Kris Benson was running off the field prior to the game carrying black sneakers and wearing white ones while everyone else, even the coaches, were wearing black ones. I have no idea where he got the shoes from because earlier when he was in the bullpen they weren’t there.

  • Big Ed | September 18, 2006 at 10:11 pm |

    okay, okay…i’m ALL FOR uni related details, minor tweaks, etc…but for Gods sake can the new sweaters of a crappy NHL team be dropped??!! maybe due to the fact that I’m from FL makes me less caring..but still…

  • Aaron | September 18, 2006 at 10:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”9344″][quote comment=”9326″][quote comment=”9324″][quote comment=”9302″]The matching side panels on the Sabres sweater and trunks may very well be another “push” from Reebok to make the new form-fitting jerseys for next season tucked in the pants. With the sweater/jersey tucked in the pants, the side panels would be a lot more likely to match up.[/quote]

    Unfortunately i agree with you. But I can’t see it working. Ever try a slap shot, or make a glove save? The sweater moves… tucking it in would be highly restrictive..

    Just my 2 cents.[/quote]

    Tucking it in works, but it’s usually more of a pain in the ass than it’s worth. It is always coming untucked.

    Also, if the jersey is too small, it kind of tucks itself in. It will probably look bad with the uniforms, but the jersey just kind of falls into looking tucked.[/quote]

    On second, I can think of someone who made the tuck in work…[/quote]
    Yeah, and here’s one who didn’t
    Gives the tuck a bad name

  • Forrest | September 18, 2006 at 10:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”9531″]okay, okay…i’m ALL FOR uni related details, minor tweaks, etc…but for Gods sake can the new sweaters of a crappy NHL team be dropped??!! maybe due to the fact that I’m from FL makes me less caring..but still…[/quote]

    No. You should realize this will be discussed ad infinitum.

  • Duncan | September 18, 2006 at 10:43 pm |

    I’m not really sure how to put a link in, but I saw this site, and WOW doesn’t even begin to cover it. While I’m glad to see American football catching on in the UK, just wow. Worst. Jerseys. Ever.

    http://www.gridironu...

    http://www.gridironu...

    I’m a big fan of the Domino’s Pizza Delivery Men team, but then the pink slashes over the top of the helmet are also impressive.

    Paul, this has to set some kind of record.

  • Chad | September 18, 2006 at 10:49 pm |

    This is somewhat un-uni related but…
    I’m glad, being a Met fan currently living in Los Angeles that MLB.tv didn’t cut the feed and let us watch the celebration…classy move that I didn’t expect.

    Hoverver did anyone notice that the hats say “Division Series” while the shirts said “NL East Division Champions” as expected?

  • John in Athens | September 19, 2006 at 12:04 am |

    I noticed the “Division Series” logo which I thought was weird. The Mets are the Division Series?

    I wonder if the World Champion caps will say “New York Mets Offseason.”

  • Buckeye Mike | September 19, 2006 at 12:17 am |

    [quote comment=”9477″][quote comment=”9473″]I noticed that Michigan had a yellow wrap-around stripe/piping against Notre Dame on Saturday. You can see it here and here. Is this new for this season?[/quote]

    No, it began last season. Interestingly, I got a note about this last night from someone at Nike. He says he’s a big fan of the site, and he works in Nike’s R&D department. He said the R&D people often “butt heads” with the aesthetics/design people, and then he said this about Michigan’s wraparound stripe:

    “Those bibs on football uniforms? that’s actually a seamline between two fabrics engineered for for better breathability during hot & humid weather – a big improvement over the older thick jerseys that players used to wear. and yes, this technology is tested scientifically at nike. the designers added that bib line not just as an attempt to make it asthetically pleasing, but also to highlight the performance feature of the jersey, which nike hasn’t been really communicating to the public.”

    Here’s what I wrote back to him:

    “But why does the seam need to be a different color? Why do you have to HIGHLIGHT this performance aspect? Why can’t the team just wear it and benefit from it? It’s basically a way of saying, ‘Look at Nike, look at us, look what we did!’ It’s all about Nike, instead of about the team. That’s my biggest problem with Nike — not the design elements themselves (although some of those are pretty bad too), but rather that these design elements are used within the context of team uniforms to advertise the company. Nike uses graphic design elements like the bib to create Nike brand awareness, when the only brand a uniform should be promoting is the team itself. You wanna do all sorts of high-tech performance-enhancing stuff? Great! But don’t advertise it on my team’s jersey. The only thing I want to be thinking about when I root for my team is, um, MY TEAM. I don’t want to be thinking about Nike (or Reebok, or whoever).”

    This exchange, to me, is the Nike/anti-Nike debate in a nutshell.[/quote]

    Yeah, I got to watch My Buckeyes win this weekend, but since it was a bacholr party and one dude was there in a scUM jersey, and u can see that it is 2 diff types of fabric. One was the old school mesh around the numbers where the pads would be so it could stay cool, the other part was the silky looking stuff that basketball uni’s are made out of.

  • Elwood | September 19, 2006 at 1:38 am |

    [quote comment=”9480″]
    Peter Karmanos still owns the Whalers’ rights. This is why there are no NHL Vintage jerseys of the Hartford Whalers. In my opinion, I wouldn’t want the Whalers outselling the Hurricanes if I owned the ‘Canes.
    [/quote]

    The Connecticut Development Authority owns the rights to the logos, not Karmanos. This was part of their feud over him leaving town.

    http://www.hartfordi...

  • Eric Winer | September 19, 2006 at 1:48 am |

    I didn’t see the Broncos game live, but on highlights, it looks like Tatum Bell was wearing his normal “T. BELL” jersey while Mike Bell just had “BELL” with the area to the left of it taped over. Did they lose the Mike jersey and give him a makeshift extra Tatum model?

  • Teebz | September 19, 2006 at 11:16 am |

    [quote comment=”9541″][quote comment=”9480″]
    Peter Karmanos still owns the Whalers’ rights. This is why there are no NHL Vintage jerseys of the Hartford Whalers. In my opinion, I wouldn’t want the Whalers outselling the Hurricanes if I owned the ‘Canes.
    [/quote]

    The Connecticut Development Authority owns the rights to the logos, not Karmanos. This was part of their feud over him leaving town.

    http://www.hartfordi...

    Good call. My bad. I had read an article regarding Karmanos’ leaving town incorrectly. And good for the city of Hartford. It’s their team, they should be allowed to do what they want with it.

    Thanks, Elwood!

  • Matt | September 19, 2006 at 2:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”9480″]
    Josh Harding’s switch to more modern pads may be for a good reason. The older, brown leather pads are heavier. Old goalie pads were made of deer hair, sponge and/or felt inside the leather. When the leather got wet, it made sliding across the ice almost impossible. Modern pads are made of synthetic materials. These newer pads are lighter and offer more protection. Any advantage you can get in today’s NHL is seen as a good one, so Harding might be switching due to the nature of the old, brown pads.
    [/quote]
    Harding never wore the older style pad. The “retro” color pads were made interally from the same materials as any other modern pad. His pads had a material called “bucky” on the face. It’s a synthetic leather with a rough face. The pads he is wearing now use jenpro as the facing material.

    Don’t forget that last season the NHL mandated that all goalies use a narrower 11″ pad forcing all goalies to wear new pads. Along with smaller gloves, body pads and tighter fitting pants.

  • Matt | September 19, 2006 at 3:02 pm |

    People in Buffalo are calling the Sabres new logo the “Trump Hair” logo since it resembles the famous hair style.

  • Teebz | September 19, 2006 at 6:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”9658″]
    Don’t forget that last season the NHL mandated that all goalies use a narrower 11″ pad forcing all goalies to wear new pads. Along with smaller gloves, body pads and tighter fitting pants.[/quote]

    All the old, brown leather pads were much smaller than what was used. You would need 6-8 deer to get the pads that Garth Snow used to use!

    I was talking about the pads that were once used in the NHL up to the mid-80s. All I was saying was that if Harding was using the old style of pads, he might have switched out of necessity.

  • Biff | September 20, 2006 at 12:07 am |

    someone else noticed this and had an interesting comment:

    This is clearly a jersey designed with Reebok’s form-fitting uni plans for next year in mind. The empty lower half of the jersey strongly suggests that Reebok is still trying to aggressively push that their new jerseys be tucked into the pants next season [an idea that had reportedly been pushed by Reebok but resisted by team GMs last season]. After all, what’s the point of putting anything on the bottom if nobody’s going to see it on the ice?

    Whether or not that analysis is correct, these jerseys need some lower striping, pronto.

    Yes, the jerseys were designed with the new look NHL uniform in mind. They were supposed to take effect this season but the NHL pushed them back one year. The Jersey was designed to be tucked in (which the NHL has now scrapped that plan) So they better add something to the bottom of that jersey. And the Number on the shoulder was originally supposed to be put on the Lower part of the new style NHL pant (shell design), but again since that got delayed equipment managers said that it wasn’t good to put a number on the current style pants due to the abuse they take and the way they would need to be sewn in to the pads.