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No, Not That Cyclone

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It all started a few days ago when I got a note from reader Josh Wagner, who describes himself as “a recent Iowa State graduate who currently dabbles in a little bit of everything — film, photography. and design.” The design work is what concerns us here, because Wagner has a logo-overhaul project in mind:

I was wondering if you could offer your thoughts on the subject of Iowa State’s logos. It has physically pained me to look at ISU’s logo since it was introduced in 1995, and I am currently in the midst of a redesign that could be considered somewhat similar to the logo’s 1984 version. The problem with that logo, which I’ve sought to correct, is that the cyclone looked very awkward by itself if the words “Iowa State” were removed. So I’ve designed a new cyclone that can stand alone.

I have secured an appointment in a few weeks to make a presentation to the “important people” in the athletic department, and I would love it if you would briefly give me some feedback on the current ISU logo, or anything you’d be willing to offer as far as a suggested design direction. I have been, for the most part, ripped apart by the casual fan [on internet discussion boards and the like] for suggesting a change, and I remain baffled as to why, because the logo is essentially a cartoon bird riding a tornado. Yippee. The biggest argument is that the current logo is the one most associated with winning and success, but at what point do you give up and say the current logo is, ahem, crap? I would love it if you could give me some feedback.

I gave Wagner one simple bit of advice (“Animals that don’t have teeth in real life, like birds, should never be depicted with teeth, no matter how tough it supposedly makes them look”), mentioned that I didn’t much care for the current typography, and then found myself, um, bored. I just can’t get worked up about college sports in late June. So I suggested turning the matter over to the Uni Watch readership. He readily agreed, so here’s your chance to give advice to the guy who’s gonna have a sit-down with the ISU brain trust. (If you want some quick background, the origins of ISU’s team name and cardinal-like mascot can be found here and here. Special thanks to C.J. Andringa, who provided these links in Wednesday’s comments section.)

My two cents: The teeth and the typography notwithstanding, I don’t really think the current logo is so awful, and I definitely like it better than the 1984 version that Wagner says is his inspiration (I hate seeing full words spelled out on a helmet). But that’s just me. Of course, when I spout off about stirrups being awesome and purple being awful, that’s also just me, and there’s no need for discussion of those points because I’m 100% right about them. But I don’t feel nearly as strongly about ISU’s logo. So go ahead and give Wagner your own two cents via the comment link at the end of this entry.

Sabres Update: There have been a few jillion Sabres redesigns leaked on the web over the past few years. Most have obviously been fakes, so my policy has been to ignore all of them. But the Buffalo News is reporting today that this one is legitimate. Great to see the team returning to blue and gold, but I’ve never liked the sword going through the B, and that stylized buffalo — which some fans are already referring to as a buffaslug — is a nightmare.

Speaking of which: Isn’t it time for Buffalo teams to move away from the buffalo iconography, since it just creates confusion? The team isn’t called the Buffaloes, after all. Why not put a chicken wing on the jersey, or a beef on weck sandwich, or a grain elevator?

Uni Watch News Ticker: Bethanie Mattek’s socks, which were discussed at some length in yesterday’s comments section, are absolutely the coolest tennis hosiery since Sernea’s Cameroon-inspired outfit four years ago. … It isn’t football season and school isn’t in session, but Bob Mejia reports that that hasn’t stopped the pigskin-crazed readers of Texasfootball.com from coming up with a contest to choose the state’s best high school football helmet (and there are a lot to choose from). Here‘s the current bracket. … The Blue Jays will be wearing special uniforms tomorrow, in honor of Canada Day. The jerseys will be accented in red (probably something like this), and the players’ surnames will be replaced by “Canada” (like this). And there’s more: According to the team’s web site, “Both the Blue Jays and Phillies will have Canadian flag patches on their hats. This marks the first time both the home and visiting team will have Canadian flags sewn on their hats.” … With the four-day weekend coming up, I may not be writing much between now and next Wednesday, but I’ll try to post at least a few small items over the course of the next few days.

 

88 comments to No, Not That Cyclone

  • Patrick O'Donnell | June 30, 2006 at 9:17 am |

    What I would say is drop the navy blue. Everyone has navy or black now, and it’s too cliche. The red and yellow is very distintive and classy, ala my beloved Kansas City Chiefs, and the combo is ruined when you have two trim colors of white and blue. I also say I have to agree with uni watch that a bird should not have teeth at any time. By the way, where the hell did a bird come from anyway? It’s the “cyclones”, not the “musclular mutant birds with teeth riding a cyclone.” So, I agree with you; go back to the spirit of the original. Good luck!

  • Bill | June 30, 2006 at 9:17 am |

    Thanks for the info on the bird. Never knew why ISU had a cardinal in the logo.
    Josh, go with the swirls, but don’t animorph it. No arms and eyes. Maybe swirls with a stylized ISU in the middle. PLEASE no black.

  • chewy | June 30, 2006 at 9:31 am |

    Throw some black in there. I’ve never seen a red tornado…seen plenty of gray and brown and black ones though

  • Tuffy | June 30, 2006 at 9:34 am |

    I think the comments about getting rid of the teeth and the navy blue are dead on.

    Otherwise, I like the logo…but that could be because my alma mater basically copied it. Saint Mary’s (MN) Logo

  • Tuffy | June 30, 2006 at 9:35 am |

    [quote comment=”1810″]I think the comments about getting rid of the teeth and the navy blue are dead on.

    Otherwise, I like the logo…but that could be because my alma mater basically copied it. Saint Mary’s (MN) Logo[/quote]

    http://sports.smumn....

  • AMS | June 30, 2006 at 9:37 am |

    I think the SMU logo works better than the ISU one, if only because there’s not that odd combination of imagery. Why is the bird hugging the words, though??

  • Bill | June 30, 2006 at 9:43 am |

    [quote comment=”1813″]I think the SMU logo works better than the ISU one, if only because there’s not that odd combination of imagery. Why is the bird hugging the words, though??[/quote]
    Maybe the bid really,REALLY likes the words or is afraid someone might steal them.

  • Micah | June 30, 2006 at 9:47 am |

    I can’t seem to find the pic right now, but there is one of Cy beating the sh*t out of the Hawk. We should put that on the helmets! Haha, j/k, I’ll think of something better than that later….

  • whiteshark17 | June 30, 2006 at 9:47 am |

    I say leave ISU’s logo alone. It looks great and is one of my favorit in college sports. Don’t ditch the navy blue; just because other people use it doesn’t mean you should make the logo look worse to be “original”.

  • Brett Donohue | June 30, 2006 at 9:59 am |

    Are we really talking about Iowa State and their logo? Does anyone outside of Iowa care? Leave the logo, change the colors. Watching Iowa State on TV (once a year) is a bigger eyesore than seeing the BlueTurf at Boise State.

  • Cork | June 30, 2006 at 10:15 am |

    Personally, I would suggest that Iowa State go with THIS and change their name to the Little Hawks.

    http://iowacitylittl...

  • Deal | June 30, 2006 at 10:19 am |

    I would use the old University of Illinois Chicago logo and Washington State’s logo as inspiration. I would use the ISU letters and add them to a cyclone so that you have to different images almost. Keep the colors yellow and red.
    Here is your inspiration:

    http://www.uiaa.org/...

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    http://www.cougarsin...

    Good Luck and God speed

  • Micah | June 30, 2006 at 10:25 am |

    Brett, why you got to be hatin on Iowa?? I know we are one of the most boring states in the U.S., but we aren’t that bad!!

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  • Tom | June 30, 2006 at 10:32 am |

    No mention of the different helmet styles for Iowa State in that 1984 pic? Why are some red text on yellow helmets while the others are yellow text on red helmets? And I would second the tornado-like font using “ISU”. Yes, I realize it is a lot easier said than done…

  • Lars | June 30, 2006 at 10:33 am |

    I’ll give you the teeth being lame, but otherwise I like the logo. The colors are fine because they are somewhat unique (in relative terms) and you can identify ISU by the red and yellow combo they use.

    I would also agree that text on football helmets is lame so they should shy away from that if they do change.

    AND NO BLACK!!!!

  • StevenWyder | June 30, 2006 at 10:36 am |

    I like the cyclone logo with the “Iowa State Cyclone” banner under it. I agree with others to drop the cartoon bird, keep the red/gold color scheme. A cyclone is strong enough, you don’t need a bird on top of it.

  • StevenWyder | June 30, 2006 at 10:38 am |

    Paul has explained the different Iowa State helmet colors in 1984 in a recent article. It has to do with O-linemen and D-linemen merit awards.

    I believe you can search the UniWatch page2 archives for it.

  • Mike | June 30, 2006 at 10:41 am |

    As a proud Louisville Cardinal fan, I kinda like birds with teeth. But only when viewed with irony.

  • Tom | June 30, 2006 at 10:44 am |

    [quote comment=”1830″]Paul has explained the different Iowa State helmet colors in 1984 in a recent article. It has to do with O-linemen and D-linemen merit awards.

    I believe you can search the UniWatch page2 archives for it.[/quote]

    Ahh, cool. Thanks!

  • Gator | June 30, 2006 at 10:44 am |

    What is it with the northern college football logos?
    http://www.sportslog...
    http://www.sportslog...
    http://www.sportslog...
    Every single one of those schools has a bird logo with teeth. There may be more, but I think I made my point.

  • Gator | June 30, 2006 at 10:47 am |

    [quote comment=”1835″]What is it with the northern college football logos? (http://www.sportslog..., http://www.sportslog..., http://www.sportslog...)
    Every single one of those schools has a bird logo with teeth. There may be more, but I think I made my point.[/quote]
    If anybody else would like to search for logos that look that ridiculous, go to

  • Zach | June 30, 2006 at 10:48 am |

    Mr. O’Grady, Iowa State is in the Big 12 not the Big 10, get your facts straight before hatin.

  • Sids | June 30, 2006 at 10:49 am |

    [quote comment=”1829″]Couple things on today’s “Cyclones” blog.

    #1. Casting no malace towards Josh personally, is it really a good thing to turn over a Big Ten brand identity to a recent graduate? Me thinks not.

    T.[/quote]
    Iowa State is Big 12

  • Brandon T. | June 30, 2006 at 10:51 am |

    Josh, I (although others here may disagree) think the ’84 logo is leaps and bounds better than the ’95 logo, so using it as a starting point is a great idea. Honestly though, I wouldn’t include the bird in the logo, and I would possibly exclude the cyclone. Here’s why: when athletics departments try to include their mascot (be it bear, tiger, wildcat, cyclone, cardinal, what have you), it always ends up looking 3rd grade-ish.

    Perfect example of this trend would be my beloved Kentucky Wildcats. Yes, we are the “Wildcats” and I think it’s a cool mascot and all, but there’s no need to include a Wildcat in the logo, because it always ends up looking atrocious…like this.
    http://www.skylinepi...

    Nobody is scared of the Wildcat. I cringe every time this logo is used on anything. On the other hand, in 2001, UK went to a more stylized logo, which is infinitely better…have a look.

    http://www.flagline....

    http://graphics.json...

    So, there you have it. My recommendation: stay away from the childish theatrics and stick with a less flashy but respectable logo.

    BT

  • Greg | June 30, 2006 at 10:52 am |

    I LOVE the idea of using the initials of the high school and incorporating them into the logo. Like Washington State Cougar, UIC Flames or San Luis Obispo High School in California. As proud as I am to be an Atascadero Greyhound, I was always jealous of their logo.

    By the way, I think that Boise State’s look is fantastic! Not that everyone should do it, (like Oregon) but it’s a cool bit of unique nostalgia (ulike Oregon).

    ISU’s different colored helmets were mentioned in a column on ESPN. I can’t remember which, but one represented academic excellence. I think that’s our best comparison to Oregon having different colored helmets.

    My thoughts: Ditch the dark accents. Keep the red and yellow. Stylize a cyclone (it can be done). Cool thought I just had: giant cyclone logo for the helmets reminiscent of the Rams. It trails down into the ear piece, tapers open and curves around the facemask toward the front creating horns almost. Whaddya think?

  • Mike Chapman | June 30, 2006 at 10:54 am |

    The apparent finalised NEW Sabres logo looks horrible compared to the widely circulated designs with the large Buffalo head and traditional crossed swords. Why does it seem so many organizations, especially Hockey clubs, get is SO wrong nowadays? Hockey fans, for the most part are traditionalists, and that is what we want.
    Slainte’
    Mike

  • Rick V | June 30, 2006 at 11:26 am |

    The Buffalo is just WAY over stylized. Without the horns it would be impossible to even tell what it was.

    Im enjoying looking at all these football helmets. I just got a good chuckle out of old Jets impersonation.

  • Mark F. | June 30, 2006 at 11:27 am |

    My two cents worth here, take it with a grain of salt. I like the stylized lettering into a cyclone (that San Luis Obispo logo is sweet!), but that could prove difficult. On the other hand, there is a logo like that of the Lake Elsinore Storm, which (if incorporated into a cyclone) could work. Again, my two cents worth, best of luck in your venture.

  • PM | June 30, 2006 at 11:53 am |

    My only suggestion is go with a symbol or the name, but don’t combine the two. The cyclones and the Oregon State Beaver’s helmets both look Arena league because of that.

  • Brett Donohue | June 30, 2006 at 12:16 pm |

    Outside of Iowa, is it legal by NCAA rules for a team to wear different color helmets? Seems like NCAA police would have nixed this idea. Or is it like the one person on a volleyball team that wears a different color?

  • Bill | June 30, 2006 at 12:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”1847″]Outside of Iowa, is it legal by NCAA rules for a team to wear different color helmets? Seems like NCAA police would have nixed this idea. Or is it like the one person on a volleyball team that wears a different color?[/quote]
    I think only the jerseys have to be the same. I think it is in Paul’s article noted above.

  • Lars | June 30, 2006 at 1:03 pm |

    Do high schools have to pay royalties to other teams/organizations when they use their logos? If so the Philladelphia Eagles, Tampa Bay Bucs, Detroit Lions, FSU Seminoles, and the creators of Superman have to be raking in the dough after looking at that Texas HS helmet website. Some really cool helmets missed the bracket and it seems like a pretty boring black helmet is going to win. I guess originality is not high on people’s priorities.

    I was really diappointed in the lack of creativity though I was impressed that a few shools go their logos from the Canadian Football League and I saw one from the XFL!

  • alan | June 30, 2006 at 1:04 pm |

    just to take a quick break from this awesome ISU discussion, is anyone else appalled by the fact that argentina went with navy tops and BLACK shorts? i mean, of all the combinations you could have gone with…i’m pretty sure that’s the reason they’re going to be knocked out of this thing in the next 30min.

  • John Ekdahl | June 30, 2006 at 1:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”1855″]just to take a quick break from this awesome ISU discussion, is anyone else appalled by the fact that argentina went with navy tops and BLACK shorts? i mean, of all the combinations you could have gone with…i’m pretty sure that’s the reason they’re going to be knocked out of this thing in the next 30min.[/quote]
    I was thinking the same thing. I was having trouble believing my eyes. I started convincing myself it was just a darker shade of blue……

  • Paul Lukas | June 30, 2006 at 1:08 pm |

    Earlier today there was an inflamatory comment, which led to several inflamatory responses. I’ve taken all of these down. Please keep personal invective OFF of this site. Thanks!

  • Pedro | June 30, 2006 at 1:12 pm |

    The Iowa State logo isn’t bad at all, the Cardinal/Cyclone thing makes perfect sense if you read about the nickname history. You almost have to keep the navy blue since yellow and red look just weird without a dard accent. I agree that the font and the actual logo should be separated though. They should have an ISU or Iowa State cyclone shaped logo as primary and the Cardinal/Cyclone as an alternate (for the sake of nickname history.

  • Paul P | June 30, 2006 at 1:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”1855″]just to take a quick break from this awesome ISU discussion, is anyone else appalled by the fact that argentina went with navy tops and BLACK shorts? i mean, of all the combinations you could have gone with…i’m pretty sure that’s the reason they’re going to be knocked out of this thing in the next 30min.[/quote]

    Agreed!

  • Rico Suave | June 30, 2006 at 1:25 pm |

    My wife is an Iowa State alum, so that is the only reason why I know about the cardinal twins, Cy and Clone, but this brings up a question regarding logos and school history:

    Should the logo be designed so casual observers understand what it’s about, or should it cater to the “insiders” of the school community?

    I would vote for the insiders…

  • Sam | June 30, 2006 at 1:46 pm |

    And the terrible uni decision comes back to bite Argentina in the ass.

  • MiGS | June 30, 2006 at 2:09 pm |

    Does anyone else find it odd that Bethanie Mattek’s socks had TWO stripes when she is sponsored by The Three Stripe Company? Could this be a case of adidas actually avoiding a logo creep incident? (You know Nike would have put swooshes all over those socks.)

  • Jill | June 30, 2006 at 2:19 pm |

    Besides argentina looking atrocious, I thought there was a rule saying that the teams had to be wearing different color shorts. But, they were both wearing black… what gives?

  • Brett Donohue | June 30, 2006 at 2:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”1854″]Do high schools have to pay royalties to other teams/organizations when they use their logos? If so the Philladelphia Eagles, Tampa Bay Bucs, Detroit Lions, FSU Seminoles, and the creators of Superman have to be raking in the dough after looking at that Texas HS helmet website. Some really cool helmets missed the bracket and it seems like a pretty boring black helmet is going to win. I guess originality is not high on people’s priorities.

    I was really diappointed in the lack of creativity though I was impressed that a few shools go their logos from the Canadian Football League and I saw one from the XFL![/quote]
    I am no legal expert but it is my understanding that the decals are purchased thru a number of approved vendors who pay royalties upfront, not on an individual basis. Some schools will make a slight “alteration” to a logo as to not infringe on a trademark.

  • JT | June 30, 2006 at 2:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”1818″]Are we really talking about Iowa State and their logo? Does anyone outside of Iowa care? Leave the logo, change the colors. Watching Iowa State on TV (once a year) is a bigger eyesore than seeing the BlueTurf at Boise State.[/quote]

    While I like Iowa State’s colors (I’m an ISU alum), seeing them actually play on the Blue Turf at Boise State (Humanitarian Bowl, 2002) was painful on the eyes.

    As for the colors and uniform, as long as they don’t go back to the shiny uniforms (especially not the shiny gold pants) and they use as little navy blue as possible, I’m reasonably happy with what they have. There have been some years that the basketball uniforms were almost entirely blue, which just was wierd for a school who’s colors are cardinal and gold.

    I remember the furor on campus in 1995 when the new logo was unveiled. Most of the complaint was that they ignored the schools excellent design college and paid an outside firm a bunch of money to design the logo. As it is, I’d like to see them get their money’s worth for the logo.

  • Philly Bill | June 30, 2006 at 2:51 pm |

    mmm… beef on weck…

  • todd krevanchi (krvanch) | June 30, 2006 at 3:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”1863″]Does anyone else find it odd that Bethanie Mattek’s socks had TWO stripes when she is sponsored by The Three Stripe Company? Could this be a case of adidas actually avoiding a logo creep incident? (You know Nike would have put swooshes all over those socks.)[/quote]

    i’m not sure she has a shoe deal as recently as march she wore the reebok pump match day a mens tennis shoe
    http://rbk.imageg.ne...

    and back in january she wore the nike total package low a mens basketball shoe
    http://images.nike.c...

    yesterday i made mention…

    i know the cowboy hat jumps out at the page, but check her shoes. the nike shox bomber a mens high top hoops shoe.

    i don’ think there is any method to her uni-madness. the only thing she would have had to plan for would be her shoes, so that they had special grass court soles on them.

  • Steve Billings | June 30, 2006 at 3:25 pm |

    Some may wonder about a bird being used in a logo for the Cyclones but I wonder, why a Tornado. They aren’t the Tornadoes.

    Get away from the tornado icons, it looks like 70s NASL teams that moved from city to city.

  • Chris | June 30, 2006 at 3:46 pm |

    Several players on the Italian team are wearing #17 shorts against the Ukraine in honor of a former player who was injured falling out of a window. The players mainly play for the club team Juventus, which was the team that the injured player played/worked for.

  • brandon | June 30, 2006 at 4:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”1844″]My two cents worth here, take it with a grain of salt. I like the stylized lettering into a cyclone (that San Luis Obispo logo is sweet!), but that could prove difficult. On the other hand, there is a logo like that of the Lake Elsinore Storm, which (if incorporated into a cyclone) could work. Again, my two cents worth, best of luck in your venture.[/quote]

    I actually think incorporating a cyclone in would be quite easy you could use the cyclone as the I or S which would look pretty awesome.

  • Micah | June 30, 2006 at 4:40 pm |

    Steve, it’s because Cyclone is another moniker for a tornado, which Iowa is in the aptly-named “Tornado Alley.” We actually had a game at Jack Trice delayed for about an hour against the Colorado Buffaloes this year because a tornado ripped through Ames at the supposed kickoff time.

  • Dustin | June 30, 2006 at 5:11 pm |

    I do agree that ISU needs a logo change for their helmets. The whole “Iowa State Cyclones” part of the logo is hard to read, especially during the plays. On the other hand, it wouldn’t be too bad of a logo for the basketball court.

    If you have any hand on designing the football uniforms, make sure to keep the repeating “I” off of the collar. It looks like it was someone trying too hard to make a new statement.

    Keeping “Cy” as part of the logo isn’t necessary, but I think would keep options open; it’s good to keep tradition into the mix.

    I agree that black and navy are generally overused, but yellow, sliver, light blue are all so nasty when trying to design (especially when needing contrast to show lettering and numbers in a uniform), and I believe that uniforms should only contain the colors of the logo. I’m a Michigan Tech alum and we’re yellow, silver and black; the toughest combination for uniforms.

  • Filby | June 30, 2006 at 5:52 pm |

    Anybody know where I can get one of those red Blue Jays caps like Clemens is wearing in that pic???

  • C.J. Andringa | June 30, 2006 at 6:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”1877″]I do agree that ISU needs a logo change for their helmets. The whole “Iowa State Cyclones” part of the logo is hard to read, especially during the plays. On the other hand, it wouldn’t be too bad of a logo for the basketball court.

    If you have any hand on designing the football uniforms, make sure to keep the repeating “I” off of the collar. It looks like it was someone trying too hard to make a new statement.
    [/quote]

    Here’s a decent look at a profile of the current helmet:
    2003-current helmet

    You’ll see that there is an alternate logo with just the “ISU” in Cy’s hands. The repeating “I” on the collar (99-02) was eliminated with the introduction of Nike apparel for the 2003 season. Prior to that, Russell Athletic was ISU’s uniform provider.

    Those uniforms bordered on garish because the red jersey HAD to be worn with red pants due to gold numbers with navy shadow. The facemasks were also navy during that time.

    Home uniforms, 1999-2002
    Road uniforms
    Home alternate
    Road alternate

  • JGavin | June 30, 2006 at 6:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”1854″]Do high schools have to pay royalties to other teams/organizations when they use their logos? If so the Philladelphia Eagles, Tampa Bay Bucs, Detroit Lions, FSU Seminoles, and the creators of Superman have to be raking in the dough after looking at that Texas HS helmet website.[/quote]

    Same way FSU ripped off the old Redskins helmets?

    As a loyal U. of Iowa fan, I’ve gotten a lot of satisfaction over the past decade from being able to make fun of Iowa State fans for the sudden addition of navy blue to their color scheme and the fact that their mascot has nothing to do with their nickname. That said, I do think its time for the ‘Clones to make a change. Get the navy out of there, and unless you’re going to go back to being known as the Cardinals, your logo should be a cyclone and not a bird.

    I think a stylized version of the 80s logo is a good idea, although when ISU unveiled the bird/tornado logo it was time for a change. My favorite stylized logo is still that of Camanche High School here in Iowa. Note that “Camanche” and “HS” are spelled out in the headdress. The NCAA might have a problem with it, but oh well.

    One more note of backstory on the current ISU logo: Back in ’95 when the logo was introduced, it came out that new football coach Dan McCarney had a domestic violence arrest on his record. Needless to say, some of us Iowa fans found the fact that the new logo included punching fists quite ironic.

  • matt | June 30, 2006 at 7:01 pm |

    Apperently, drying your tears with your jersey is an international trend. After the Argentina/Germany game, one of the Argentina players did just that.
    As a Sabres fan, they should just stick with their current logo or go back to the original.

  • Vegas4BOC | June 30, 2006 at 8:12 pm |

    Schwabl’s….what memories! I lived down the road from there in the 70’s on 593 Center Rd.
    The sabres new logo looks like a Buffalo Mullet, what are they thinking!

    Hey PL, don’t even bring up having Buffalo teams move away from the Buffalo icon, you never lived there and therefore ask you to respectfully take back that lame comment.

  • K.C. | June 30, 2006 at 8:15 pm |

    Two things:

    The first is about those cool-flo helmets. I’ve got a link here to a Dayton Daily News article that essentially endorses the helmets, and quotes some of my students who definitely like them. Unfortunately, you’ll have to do a free login thing to read it:

    CoolFlo

    Second, I’m pretty sure that those horrible unis from Argentina had black shorts. Why wouldn’t they wear the whites designed to go with the blue tops & socks? I guess they wanted to go home. Check out Paul’s world cup article to see their two kits and then recall how they blended them in tragic fashion today.

    http://sports.espn.g...

  • K.C. | June 30, 2006 at 8:17 pm |

    Let’s try that DDN link again:

    http://www.daytondai...

  • JGavin | June 30, 2006 at 10:52 pm |

    On the subject of CoolFlo helmets:
    I was in Target’s sporting goods department the other day buying golf balls and spotted a kids CoolFlo helmet on sale. I found them on the Target website too, but the one on the site is exponentially worse, given that it has that awful red-to-black gradient.

    Ugh…

  • Shorty | June 30, 2006 at 11:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”1888″]On the subject of CoolFlo helmets:
    I was in Target’s sporting goods department the other day buying golf balls and spotted a kids CoolFlo helmet on sale. I found them on the Target website too, but the one on the site is exponentially worse, given that it has that awful red-to-black gradient.

    Ugh…[/quote]

    That helmet isn’t a coolflow helmet. It resembles one but rawlings has had helmets out that look like the coolflow helmets for a while. I dunno if anyone has watched the little league world series the last couple of years, but the teams wore other helmets that resemble the current coolflow helmets.

    MiGS said:

    Does anyone else find it odd that Bethanie Mattek’s socks had TWO stripes when she is sponsored by The Three Stripe Company? Could this be a case of adidas actually avoiding a logo creep incident? (You know Nike would have put swooshes all over those socks.)

    I read an article that said that she bought all of her clothes at a department store the morning of the match. She had to stitch the sponsor’s logo on her shirt. That would be the reason her socks only had 2 stripes.

  • Jeff Gilbertson | June 30, 2006 at 11:46 pm |

    Anyone who can’t understand the connection between Cy (the bird) and the Cyclone is not of the ISU family and does not belong a part of the decision making process.

    And its time for some equal opportunity discussion– what’s the deal with the Ibis and the Hurricane?

  • alan | July 1, 2006 at 12:32 am |

    the ibis is this tiny bird, but it is the last creature to take shelter before a hurricane strikes, and the first to come out of hiding once the hurricane passes. i guess it’s supposed to be really tough, just like the folks in canesville.

  • nico | July 1, 2006 at 12:52 am |

    Football players are very superstitious, so my guess is Argentina went with the black shorts in a failed attempt to repeat their performance against Serbia Montenegro, and to distance themselves from the 1990 World Cup final, when they played in white shorts and lost over controversial penalty. Not that it helped…

    Also, I noticed Anatoliy Tymoschuk played wearing a headband with the Ukraine flag colors, instead of a plain black or white, but wont get full credit for wearing red shoes.

  • Bobby D | July 1, 2006 at 3:03 am |

    I would make the tornado er cyclone an I-shape and then just use “State” across it. I’m not in love with the bird. Iowa State are the Cyclones not the cardinals and I never understood why they have a cartoon-looking character on a football uniform.

    You wanna look intimidating, loose Fred Bird. The garnet and gold is a bit yucky in my book so I would use more white, perhaps white as the base color then make the cyclone the red and perhaps State in yellow with black outline.

    People rag on Nebraska’s helmet but that’s one my favorites in NCAA.

  • K:L | July 1, 2006 at 12:05 pm |

    If that’s the new Sabres logo, I have to say, it’s awful! Buffalo Slugs, indeed. Actually, another thing comes to mind for me:

    San Di-ego…Su-per Sa-bres!

  • Mike Shanahan | July 1, 2006 at 12:53 pm |

    It is true. The Sabres organization is trying to expand its fan base further into Southern Ontario; especially the Greater Hamilton region. That is the reason behind the new mullet-themed logo.

  • Jack H. | July 1, 2006 at 1:39 pm |

    Why in God’s name did the Jays ever change their logo in the first place? The black, blue, and grey is just so boring when compared to the mostly blue ones with red trim. Does anyone else agree?

  • Doug | July 1, 2006 at 3:37 pm |

    Bobby D please read All of the posts and review ALL of the links in Paul’s article BEFORE posting that you don’t understand why a cardinal is a part of our school’s history. It’s been discussed before.

    Going back to something like our logo in the 80s is just wrong. I lived and died watching bad teams play with the logo ideas advocated by the original letter writer (a recent grad with way too much time on his hand, BTW). I don’t think anyone would urge the Cubs to return to the powder blues of the 60s & 70s or the White Sox to bring back the unis of the Black Sox era. Some of us alums would just like to leave that part of our history behind us.

    Others have said let’s try something similar to the KC Chiefs or the SF 49ers (similar color schemes in the form of red/yellow or cardinal/gold unis). Iowa State is a school that is working on developing a “classic” look. Often those looks come from winning teams. Take it from a Cyclone, we didn’t had many winning teams in football until the late 90s and early 00s.

    In short, thanks for the interest everyone. We’ll be just fine with what we have. And we won’t face a post season NCAA ban for an offensive mascot … unless folks who are affected by tropical cyclones in the Indian and Pacific Oceans raise a stink with the NCAA. Or folks in trailer parks in country music songs. But that’s a topic for some other time.

  • Mike | July 1, 2006 at 6:08 pm |

    Buffalo dropped the ball with their new logos… Why they didn’t go with the traditional look is beyond me… They have not listened to their fans and went with another ‘right out of left field’ style… I realize all the other Buffalo pro teams (Bills, Bisons, Bandits, Destroyers) all have buffaloes in their logo, but you don’t have to overdo it… Locals never caught on with the ‘goathead’ logo, but this logo could be even worse…

    Major Boo-urns to the Buffalo Sabres’ front office for those shocking ugly logos…

  • Brinke | July 1, 2006 at 9:31 pm |

    Looks like the Univ of Louisville.

  • Mayer | July 2, 2006 at 6:14 pm |

    why is isu’s logo a tornado when it could just as much be a hurricane?
    cyclone on wikipedia

  • Ken | July 2, 2006 at 9:03 pm |

    Did anyone else see that the Brewers and the Twins were wearing “USMC” and “Navy” hats, respectively? I was looking for a press release on this, but can’t find anything online. Does anyone have a lead?

  • al a | July 2, 2006 at 9:24 pm |

    I agree w/ nico, Argentine footballers were attempting to re-create the aura of the 6-0 hammering of S&M. Got back in time & you’ll see that we rarely wear the alternate shirts & white pants. Althou, the last time netted Athens Gold.
    Now that the WC is over for us, i for one, am hoping that adidas’ next kit is easier on my eyes, they have over stylized our traditional look. Doesn’t matter who wins this thing now, as long as Brazil and their Nike overlords will not be afixing another star on that yellow rag.

  • Nicole | July 2, 2006 at 11:46 pm |

    The Brewers and Twins actually wore caps from all the services in that game. Each player chose which service they wanted to wear. It was a little awkward, with bright red, blue, navy and black caps out there. I didn’t get a close look at the Twins caps, but these were no crappy, throw away, snap-back caps. They were fully wool fitted caps, personalized per team, it seems. The
    Brewers, at least, had their M logo embroidered over the right ear.
    What I can’t seem to find is why they did that particular game in the series. They played Friday, Saturday, Sunday and wore the caps on Saturday.

  • Tim | July 3, 2006 at 2:15 am |

    I have alot to say about the ISU logo. I’m attending Iowa State in the fall, and let me first say that none of you have even talked about the primary cyclone logo. THE WALKING CY!
    http://www.trademark... marks/graphic/

    AND on top of that, if you go to the bookstore or an excellent little store called Dogtown U, you’ll notice that nearly all the clothes feature the OLDER STYLE LOGOS!

    As far as the colors, navy blue sucks, changing colors sucks. Stick with the cardinal, and the gold, keep beating up on the hawks, and go back to the WALKING CY LOGO!!!! As for the football jerseys, don’t put the walking cy on the jerseys. Just do what KU, and UK, and others do. Make a nifty little ISU letter logo, and slap it on there. I’ll work on it.

  • NJTank | July 3, 2006 at 2:42 am |

    How come it appears the 1984 ISU is wearing two different helmets.

  • Tim | July 3, 2006 at 4:00 am |

    http://pg.photos.yah...?.dir=/9d67re2&.dnm=4bcdre2.jpg&.src=ph

    above is the link to my new and improved isu football uniforms

  • Mark Mihalik | July 3, 2006 at 4:45 am |

    Jose Reyes looked AWESOME in his pants tonight:

    http://us.news1.yimg...

    Yeah I’m kidding. Who makes those? Levi’s? Maybe Sean John? Ridiculous.

  • Matt | July 3, 2006 at 8:37 am |

    I wish I had a soccer filter that wouldn’t show all the soccer uniform comments.

  • Mike Chapman | July 3, 2006 at 3:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”1929″]I wish I had a soccer filter that wouldn’t show all the soccer uniform comments.[/quote]

    I wish I had a filter that wouldn’t show anti-soccer comments…
    Slainte’
    Mike

  • Juno Velji | July 3, 2006 at 11:20 pm |

    I beleive that the ISU logo is indeed in need of help.

  • Juno Velji | July 3, 2006 at 11:26 pm |

    I beleive that the ISU logo is definitely in need of help. The official logo is the Iowa State “Cyclones.” It is so misleading to see a cartoon bird incorprated in the present logo, it is not the Iowa State “Cardinals.” I think that if Josh wants to help recreate the logo, what not a better person for the job. Here is someone who has lived and breathed the ISU culture since he is an alumni, and someone who obviously cares.

  • Adam | July 4, 2006 at 2:04 am |

    [quote comment=”1920″]I have alot to say about the ISU logo. I’m attending Iowa State in the fall, and let me first say that none of you have even talked about the primary cyclone logo. THE WALKING CY!
    http://www.trademark... marks/graphic/

    AND on top of that, if you go to the bookstore or an excellent little store called Dogtown U, you’ll notice that nearly all the clothes feature the OLDER STYLE LOGOS!

    As far as the colors, navy blue sucks, changing colors sucks. Stick with the cardinal, and the gold, keep beating up on the hawks, and go back to the WALKING CY LOGO!!!! As for the football jerseys, don’t put the walking cy on the jerseys. Just do what KU, and UK, and others do. Make a nifty little ISU letter logo, and slap it on there. I’ll work on it.[/quote]

    Cool link…I like the leaning Cy!

  • Tom O'Grady | July 6, 2006 at 3:41 pm |

    http://www.buffalone...

    This new Sabres identity is absolutley awful. My goodness the Gil Perrault, French Connection line, Danny Gare jerseys since their 1972 expansion season were gorgeous. This is what they came up with? Dreadful.

    This is as bad, okay worse than the new Anaheim Ducks and that is not an easy logo/identity to out “worse”…

    Todd Radom, Gameplan Creative, the Creamer guys, somebody is out here and can help you NHL…you just have to take the blindfolds off when you’re making your decisions.

    T.

  • PFGuay | July 8, 2006 at 8:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”1901″]Why in God’s name did the Jays ever change their logo in the first place? The black, blue, and grey is just so boring when compared to the mostly blue ones with red trim. Does anyone else agree?[/quote]

    I can’t stand they new Jays uni’s. They had a chance to go with a classic Dodger-esque look when they changed the insignia a few years ago, but no, we have to have a Devil Rays redux. As if the Raptors arent bad enough.

  • Jeff Wilcox | July 9, 2006 at 6:45 pm |

    That isn’t the new sabres Logo. There was another Logo Card floating around with the one shown here but on actual jerseys. That one showed jerseys with CCM Logos and the B with the sabre through it was reversed on one of the shoulders. Really amateur stuff. Also, the jersey used was one of the other fakes that was drifting around a year or two ago.

  • Matt | July 12, 2006 at 2:11 pm |

    Could the “leak” of the Buffalo logo be a ploy by the team to test the waters?

    I remember many years ago when it was announced that the Nordiques would move to Denver and their name would change, the Denver Post got a supposedly unauthorized leak that the leading candidate for the new team name was “Extreme” and the color scheme was going to be yellow and black with a logo inspired by road signs. The reaction was appropriately horrified and it wasn’t much later that the name Avalanche was announced.

  • Andy | July 24, 2006 at 10:58 pm |

    I don’t like the modern cartoon. I do like the older logo but I would take the Iowa State off of it and you then have a really cool simple classic logo. In marketing the simpler the better. It would look great in gold on their red helmets. I know they have a bird logo too and the new logo was an attempt to merge the two, but the bird is for the fans. Everyone else knows them as the cyclones. I wonder how often they have to explain what their logo is or where the bird came from.